Why Side Hustles Rarely Work & How To Create One That Does

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: The $100 MBA Show
Episode Title: Why Side Hustles Rarely Work & How To Create One That Does
Host: Omar Zenhom
Guest/Co-host: Nicole Baldino
Release Date: July 29, 2026

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Overview

In this Q&A Wednesday episode, Omar Zenhom tackles a listener's (Mandeep’s) pressing question: “Why do my side hustles keep stalling, and how can I finally get real traction?” Omar shares hard-won lessons from over a decade of side-hustling before launching his businesses full-time. He breaks down the three essential conditions for building a side hustle that actually works, challenging popular myths and setting realistic, actionable paths for listeners. Nicole Baldino joins to add perspective, push back on Omar’s tougher stances, and ensure listeners’ concerns are addressed.

Theme:
Why most side hustles fizzle out—and the three critical requirements to create one that thrives and transitions into a full-time business.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Why Side Hustles Fail (03:07)

• Common Misconception: People wrongly believe growing a side hustle is easier than it is.
• Structural Problem: The real issue is lack of structure, not personal failing.
• Mindset Shift: Treat your “side hustle” as Plan A—even if it’s part-time. Your current job becomes Plan B.
  • "Often people's side hustle is their plan B... You want to make your side hustle... your business, even though it's part time right now, is your plan A and your current job is plan B." (Omar, 03:09)

The Merits of Side Hustling (04:21)

• A Safe Learning Ground: Side hustles are valuable for early business experience, learning how to build, market, and sell—without risking your financial security.
• Personal Reflection: Omar emphasizes he side hustled for too long before going full-time and cautions others not to wait as long (10 years for him: 06:05).

The Three Essential Conditions for Side Hustle Success

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1. Time Commitment & Structure (06:29)

• Recommendation: Minimum of 15 hours per week—as non-negotiable, scheduled blocks.

• How Omar Did It:

  • Tuesdays and Thursdays after work at a coworking space (3 hours each),
  • Saturdays (9 hours),
  • Sacrificed some leisure time for long-term future.
  • "You have to see this as like a part time job. Like, you can't just like quit on this job or not show up. You can't flake." (Omar, 08:14)

• Nicole’s Pushback: What if someone can only do 5 hours?

  • Omar’s Response: “Five hours is just not enough for you to have a sustainable business... it's going to take you three times longer to see any results.” (Omar, 08:45)

• Time Audit Exercise: Audit every hour of your week to find those 15 hours. If you truly want this, sacrifice will be required.

• Sacred Time: Communicate to friends/family that your business hours are immovable (14:56).

  Memorable Quote:
  “These time blocks where you're working on your business are sacred. You cannot be flexible with these hours. What would you do if you had to go [to] this commitment or you'd be arrested? That serious?” (Omar, 13:34)

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2. High Profit Margins (15:10)

• Target: Aim for at least 50% profit margin on your side hustle so you can reinvest and grow quickly.

  • "Because you have limited time, you need to maximize how much money you keep with your business." (Omar, 15:10)

• The Math:

  • At 20% margin, you must earn $10,000 revenue/month to keep $2,000.
  • At 80% margin, you only need $2,500 to keep $2,000.
    • "That means you only need a client or two to make your goal." (Omar, 17:08)

• Best Business Types:

  • Digital products, software, communities, online courses, and coaching are high-margin.
  • Physical products and food have lower margins due to recurring costs.

• Research Margins First: Before starting, calculate all costs (manufacturing, delivery, customer service) to set realistic expectations (17:35).

• Don’t Overlook Services: Service-based businesses (like website development) can also provide high margins depending on the market.

  Memorable Quote:
  “Make it a little bit easy on yourself with a higher profit margin business, at least for your first business.” (Omar, 20:40)

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3. Mindset & Validation (22:59)

• See Your Side Hustle as Temporary: A validation stage, not a permanent “hobby-business.”
• Set a Revenue Milestone: Decide what income level will convince you to go full-time, keeping in mind margin and available hours.
  • “Part time efforts will give you part time results… whatever business you're building on the side right now, you are competing with people that are doing this full time.” (Omar, 23:10)
• Validation Test: If your 15 hours/week can produce half the revenue of a full-timer, you have a foundation to scale.
  • "I saw it as like the finish line. Like, I'm going to get to quit my job once I hit this revenue mark..." (Omar, 25:46)
• Danger of Side Hustle Plateau: Side hustles aren’t meant to be perpetual part-time gigs; business must keep growing or it will decline.
  • "In business, you're either growing or you're dying." (Omar, 25:46)
• Persistence is Key: Mandeep’s continued effort means he hasn’t given up—persistence, coupled with the right structure, is essential (29:29).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If you only have five hours a week, then you need to carve out some time somewhere. ...Even if it's just a season, even if it's just like I'm gonna. For the next three months, I'm gonna put 15 hours. You're gonna see some results that are gonna make you feel like those sacrifices huge."
  —Omar (09:02)
• "Audit your time. That's a great step before any of this."
  —Nicole (11:49)
• "You cannot be flexible with these hours... If this is a commitment you have to go to, you have to go or you're going to be arrested. That serious?"
  —Omar (13:34)
• "High margin businesses are like digital products, software communities, online courses, coaching... Low margin products are like things like food, physical products..."
  —Omar (20:40)
• "Part time efforts will give you part time results."
  —Omar (23:10)
• "Persistence is that thing that's going to carry you through the journey."
  —Nicole (29:29)
• "Do you really want this? Do you actually want to be a full time business owner, to be an entrepreneur? Because if you do, you will find a way to make this happen."
  —Omar (30:16)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:00 – Listener Mandeep’s question on why his side hustles keep stalling
• 03:07 – Omar reframes side hustling as a structural, not personal, issue
• 06:29 – Condition #1: Time commitment (15 hrs/week) and scheduling
• 08:45 – Why 5 hours/week isn’t enough; importance of early wins
• 10:27 – The need for a thorough time audit
• 13:34 – Treating side hustle time as sacred; communicating boundaries
• 15:10 – Condition #2: Prioritize high profit margins
• 17:35 – How to research/test profit margins before launching
• 20:40 – Digital vs. physical vs. service business margin realities
• 22:59 – Condition #3: Mindset and using side hustles as a validation stage
• 25:46 – Revenue milestones and escaping the "side hustle plateau"
• 27:39 – The inevitability of scaling (or business decline)
• 29:29 – Recap of three conditions; importance of persistence
• 30:16 – The “do you really want this?” self-test

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Quick Recap: Omar’s 3 Core Conditions for a Successful Side Hustle

1. Dedicate at least 15 hours/week, set in immovable time blocks—treat it as a part-time job with sacred hours.
2. Choose or design a business model with at least 50% profit margins—opt for digital or service offerings when possible.
3. Adopt the right mindset: View your side hustle as a proving ground for a future full-time business, not as a permanent side project. Set clear validation milestones and push to scale when ready.

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Final Thoughts

Omar issues a final challenge:
“Do you actually want to be a full time business owner? Because if you do, you will find a way to make this happen.” (30:16)

Nicole adds, persistence and structure together are what will eventually bridge the gap from side hustle to genuine entrepreneurship.

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For those seeking more, Omar recommends his previous episode: “How to Quit Your Job and Start a Business: My Exact Blueprint.”

Ideal listener takeaway:
If you’re ready to stop dabbling and want your side hustle to become a real business, get serious about your time, margins, and mindset—then keep going, regardless of setbacks.

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Transcript

[Omar Zenhom]

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[Nicole Baldino]

Hey everyone. I'm excited to be here. Today's question comes from Mandeep. Mandeep asks, I've been trying to build a side hustle for over a year and I keep starting and stopping. I have the idea, I have the motivation at the beginning, but something always gets in the way and I never get any real traction. What am I doing wrong? Okay, Omar, before you answer this question, I want to name Something, Because I think most people listening to this are probably thinking or have felt the same guilt of starting something and then stopping, or maybe even that embarrassment of having announced it to people and then stopping. And maybe there's a confusion as to why this is happening. So I guess the real question is, is this a Mandeep problem or is this just how side hustles work?

[Omar Zenhom]

I think it's a structural problem. I don't think it's a mandate problem. I think a lot of people, they think that building a side hustle and growing a side hustle and working on it is easier than it is. You need to create a structure, a framework, an environment that's going to allow you to be successful with a limited amount of time you have. And we're gonna talk about how much time you should spend on a side hustle so that you have some leverage, you have some traction, and have some

[Nicole Baldino]

success, like a schedule as well.

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah, we're gonna talk about all that. But the point that you just made about people failing and then trying again and picking up where they left off, the bottom line is that you gotta get serious about if this is a priority or not. You know, often people's side hustle is their plan B. What I wanna encourage everybody who's watching and listening is you wanna make your side hustle not even call it a side hustle. Your business, even though it's part time right now, is your plan A and your current job is plan B. That is what you're going to be doing for the long term. And the reason why I say this is because things will come up, right? Game night is going to come up. You know, a friend's going to call you up, just visiting out of town, and you're going to always kind of sacrifice the side hustle or not do what you're supposed to be doing. Because it's not plan A, it's plan B. So we're going to talk about prioritizing how to make it a priority, how to create boundaries so that you can be able to turn that side hustle into your full time thing eventually.

[Nicole Baldino]

Feel like we need to rename side hustle.

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah, well, I'm going to talk about that too. I mean, like, language does matter. I mean, we were going to talk about the idea of validation, the point of the side hustle in the first place. But let's not get ahead of ourselves, all right?

[Nicole Baldino]

So does that mean then side hustles are impossible? Do you have to quit your job?

[Omar Zenhom]

They're not impossible. I side Hustled for over a decade before I went into full time entrepreneurship. And I do believe that side hustles have a lot of merit. But today I'm going to share three conditions I believe that you have to fulfill in order for you to have any kind of traction or any kind of success with a side hustle. This is just from my own experience, but I also want to say that side hustles are great for learning. When you're starting this path in entrepreneurship, you have to learn business. You have to learn how to find your voice, how to find the right product for your audience, how to build an audience, how to market, how to sell, how to do finance, how to make a hire. These are all moments of learning. And side hustling is a good environment, a safe environment to learn that you can make some mistakes and it's not a catastrophe because you still have your paycheck. And I learned a lot of things through mistakes, through my side hustling days. So you could also see this as a, as a training ground for you to learn business.

[Nicole Baldino]

I love that because it's like, yes, you have to have the structure, the schedule, you have to treat it as a priority, but at the same time, keep in mind that, okay, there's still this safe zone of I'm learning, and it's my opportunity to learn now before things get really serious. And it's my full time gig.

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah, I mean, the stakes are a little bit lower because your income is not dependent on it. But at the same time, you want to put some pressure on yourself and some accountability, which we'll talk about in one of those three conditions I talked about earlier. Because you want to make this your full time thing. You don't want this to be a side hustle forever. I personally thought I side hustled for too long, and that's why I'm sharing today's lesson and today's, you know, answer to the question, because I think that that's my biggest regret is I didn't go into entrepreneurship full time earlier.

[Nicole Baldino]

How long did you side hustle for?

[Omar Zenhom]

10 years. Long time. And I had a lot of failures at that time. And the Internet was very young at the time. I started in 2001 when I started building businesses on the side, and then it took me about 11, 12 years till I had like a full time business that allowed me to kind of go full time. Yeah.

[Nicole Baldino]

Okay, so what are the conditions then? That accountability, that structure the schedule, all of that?

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah, so I've mentioned this before, but it's Worth reiterating, my first condition with any side hustle is that you need to put in the right amount of time. You can't just tell yourself, I'm going to do it whenever I'm free or when I have a couple hours on the weekend. No. In order for you to have any kind of traction and to be able to build something that actually makes you money and has the viability of making it your full time thing, I believe you need to put in at least 15 hours a week. Now that may sound like a lot because most people, you know, work 40 hours a week. Where are they going to get another 15 hours? Well, this is what I did when I was side hustling and when I was in my full time teaching gig, I took Tuesdays and Thursdays after work. I would leave work and I would go into a co working space. And at that co working space I would do about three hours. So three hours on Tuesday and three hours on Thursday, that's six hours. And then on Saturday I did like nine hours, a long day. So it was like 15 hours. Yes. That meant I only had one day off for the weekend. But I was willing to sacrifice that one day a week, plus those evenings for my future. And I was having fun. I enjoyed it. I love the challenges and I learned so much in the process and I met so many interesting people at those coworking spaces. But that's the first criteria is you need to block out this time. You got to see this as like a part time job. Like you can't just like quit on this job or not show up. You can't flake. That's why I like this idea of having dedicated time on your calendar and a place to go. And if you don't want to go to a co working space or maybe you can't afford one right now, you can go to the library, public library. It's a very quiet, nice space with good Internet. You can go to there. You can go to a cafe if you know if it's open, or a place that you can just get some work done. But the point I'm trying to make is that you have to see like you're clocking into your business.

[Nicole Baldino]

I think the only thing I would say there is if anyone's feeling like 15 hours a lot, we know that some people have multiple jobs, family obligations. There might be a bit of resistance or pushback. So maybe like whatever's realistic for someone to like be honest and say, okay, I can carve out five hours for sure. That's not going to be too unrealistic. I think the point you're making is whether it's 15 or five hours, is that you're committed to those hours and that you set it aside and you stick to that commitment.

[Omar Zenhom]

I don't agree with that. I just think that five hours is not enough. Five hours is just not enough for you to have a sustainable business. What do I mean by that? Because if I put five hours a week versus 15 hours a week, it's going to take you three times longer to see any results. And I would even argue it's going to take even longer because you don't have the power of momentum on compound interest of that time. So I really believe that willpower and the desire to succeed, it's not unlimited. You can't just be like, okay, I'm going to wait seven years for this side hustle to work out, because I'm putting in five hours a week. You know, with 15 hours a week, you could start seeing some traction within the first few months. And that's really important in the beginning. I really believe that even the tiniest wins in the beginning give you that motivation to keep going, to recommit, to spend more time, to spend more effort, to spend more money. You're going to spend money in this business. So in my honest opinion is that if you only have five hours a week, then you need to carve out some time somewhere. You need to figure out how you can cut out maybe some things that maybe you enjoy, like watching movies or Netflix or maybe Times with Friends or. Even if it's just a season, even if it's just like I'm gonna. For the next three months, I'm gonna put 15 hours. You're gonna see some results that are gonna make you feel like those sacrifices huge, Like, I'm willing to sacrifice for

[Nicole Baldino]

these wins, and you'll get the traction. Okay, I asked the question. You've pushed back. That's good. And that's obviously you're speaking from experience. I know it's from experience, so sorry, Five hours ain't gonna cut it. Okay, that's. No, that's fine. We need to. No, that's what the honest truth is. That's awesome. All right, so what's the next condition?

[Omar Zenhom]

I just want to piggyback on that. If you feel like only I don't have that many hours, Omar, what am I going to do with. With this situation?

[Nicole Baldino]

I'm really trying to think, like someone's really resisting. They're going to come up with all

[Omar Zenhom]

the excuses, which is great. And I think that they need to audit their time. You really do need to be honest with yourself and look at your calendar. If you don't have a calendar. A lot of people don't run their life on a calendar like we do. But if ask yourself, what are you doing every hour of the day, whether it's before you go to work in the morning, what time you get up after work, on the weekends, on holidays, on extended weekends, whatever it might be. Audit every single hour of your day and figure out, can I put in an hour here? Can I put 60 minutes concentrated? Is there a way for me to do some of my work or do some of my research while I'm doing something else, like working out? Maybe I could talk to ChatGPT while I'm on the treadmill. There are ways to optimize this. Don't just dismiss the fact that I don't have time. If you need something, if you have to make something happen, you will make time. This is my point, and for me, I made the time. You think I wanted to do that after work?

[Nicole Baldino]

No.

[Omar Zenhom]

I was dead tired. I was a chair department at university and I was going at work and it was dark and I was going home and it was dark. So, like, my point is, is that the reason why I did it is because I wanted to get out of that situation. I wanted this future. I wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to build a successful business. I was so hungry for it and I didn't want to lose. So I wanted to optimize my schedule and optimize my life to help me be as successful as possible.

[Nicole Baldino]

I love the passion and I think that first point, audit your time. That's a great step before any of this. If you're considering it, that's a great exercise to do. Love it.

[Omar Zenhom]

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[Nicole Baldino]

Let's get into condition number two then.

[Omar Zenhom]

Before I get into condition number two, I just want to add this thing. When you put in those hours in your schedule, whatever, it's like I did three hours after work and on the weekend. These time blocks where you're working on your business are sacred. You cannot be flexible with these hours. What does that mean? If this is a commitment you have to go to, you have to go or you're going to be arrested. That serious? What would you do in that situation? Well, you're going to tell the people around you. You're going to tell your family, you're going to tell your friends, you're going to people that you're going to see on a regular basis. Hey, I'm, I cannot do anything during this time. Do not schedule a dinner, a night out, movie time. If there's responsibilities I need to do, pick up kids, go to the, you know, to get some groceries. I have to work around this time. This is just like you go into a job where you can't just say, hey, I can't go to work. No, you have to go to these hours. They're non negotiable and you will be tested. There will be times where people are going to be like, hey, you know, Mildred is coming in from town and she's only has these two nights and we have to have dinner. What are you going to do when? Now. That's when the rubber meets the road. When Mildred's in, Aunt Mildred's in and she wants to have dinner and she's going to feel so upset if you don't go and it's time for you to work on your business that night. Are you going to sacrifice it? Are you going to tell Aunt Mildred Can I come a little later because this time I'm busy. Or can you, can we do breakfast instead? Is your business a priority? That's where the rubber meets the road.

[Nicole Baldino]

Love it. Okay, so audit the time and then also get people on board.

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah.

[Nicole Baldino]

And communicate as passionately as you have how serious you are about this business. Yeah, for sure. That makes total sense. Makes total sense.

[Omar Zenhom]

Okay, condition number two. And we're done with condition number one. Condition number two is high profit margins. This is very important because you have limited time, so you need to maximize how much money you keep with your business. A profit margin is basically the profit you make in your business. And I believe that when you're side hustling, your profit margins should be at least 50%. That means if you make revenue of, let's say $1,000, that your profit is at least $500 because you're going to need that profit to grow your business. Because there's only so much you can do in 15 hours. Eventually you need to hire somebody. You need to get some part time help. You might use one of our sponsors like Upwork. And the reason why I mentioned Upwork as our sponsors because we've been using it for over a decade. I used it when I was side hustling where I couldn't afford a full time H. And you're going to need to reinvest. So this is why you need to make a certain profit margin that makes it sustainable for your business. Otherwise it's not going to make sense for you. And let me give you some math. I wrote down this math so I don't mess it up. Let's say, for example, your Profit margins are 20% and you want to make $2,000 a month. Let's say that's your goal for your side hustle. In order for you to make $2,000 a month with 20% profit margin, that means you need to make $10,000 in revenue. That might mean having like more than a few clients, five, six, seven clients. Whatever your business is, whatever your product is, but you need to make $10,000 in revenue to make $2,000 in profit. But if your profit margin is, let's say more than 50%, let's say it's 80%. Let's just aim for something that's really good. If you want to make $2,000 a month, all you need to make in revenue is 2,500. That's how math is mathing, okay? That's how it works. And this is why this is so important, because that Means you only need a client or two to make your goal. And the more money you keep, like I mentioned, the more money that you get to reward yourself for your hard work, but also reinvest in your business.

[Nicole Baldino]

A 50% profit margin, that's generally considered quite high, isn't it? So you're really saying this at that early stage of side hustle versus, like, okay, once I'm fully launched my business, maybe those profit margins might fluctuate. But I guess you can answer that question. Is that generally quite high? But the other question that I have for you is how do I know if I'm starting out that I'm going to even achieve those profit margins? Is there a way I can test it?

[Omar Zenhom]

100%. I mean, everything when it comes to margins can be researched before you even sell a certain product. So, for example, if I'm in the T shirt business and I'm selling graphic tees, I can find out how much it's going to cost me to make this T shirt. How much does it cost me to make one T shirt versus ten T shirts versus a thousand T shirts versus ten thousand T shirts. You know, volume, there's discounts, but you're going to understand what your profit margin is going to be. And you have to include all the expenses that you have in order for you to deliver this T shirt, Whether it's the packaging and the delivery and the customer service and all that kind of stuff. You want to make sure that those margins are 50% or higher. Now, the reason why I say 50% or higher, by the way, it depends on the market. 50% is not a lot in software. Like, there are software businesses that make 90, 95, 97% profit margins because at scale, they do very well, because they create a product once and then they resell it over and over again to allow people to have access to a physical. Example of this is like a gym, right? The gym exists once and they just resell it over and over. Now, a gym has a capacity. They can't. It's not infinity. They can't have a million people in that gym because there's only a certain amount of people that can fit in the gym at a certain time. But the point is, is that you should know ahead of time by researching generally physical products. Physical products have lower margins because there is a physical cost to creating that product every time you make the cost every time you have to sell that product. So, for example, if you're creating a pair of jeans or you're creating a car, for example, Every time I sell that car, I need to create a car. Right. But for a book, for example, especially like an ebook you created once, it's digital and it lives in the cloud and people can just download it and pay for it. And you don't need to recreate the book. A physical book is different story, you need to reprint it. But the work involved with creating a book is done once.

[Nicole Baldino]

Yes. And so it's pretty easy, I suppose, with a physical product to cost out everything and then figure out like, okay, what am I going to make in addition to my time that I'm going to be spending?

[Omar Zenhom]

Right.

[Nicole Baldino]

And obviously if it's a digital product, then, yeah, the profit margins are definitely going to be much higher there.

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah. And the other thing is that people sleep on services. Services are quote, unquote. They're not digital products, but they're not physical products either. You know, people spend a lot of money to get something done. When I was starting out, my first full time business was creating websites for our clients. Remember that? And I was building websites for bloggers and bloggers were the first influencers. But when I was creating these websites, I thought like I was charging a lot of money at $5,000. Then I met other people creating websites for $50,000 and $100,000. And then I read this article that, you know, I think some big Fortune 500 just did a rebrand and their website cost them like $1.5 million. I was like, what? $5,000 is nothing? So it's all relative. It depends on who you're offering this service to, their needs, their budget, all that kind of stuff, how price sensitive they are. So services are a great place for you to have a high margin business as well.

[Nicole Baldino]

Okay, all right, that sounds good. So definitely consider your profit margin to make the side hustle worth going into.

[Omar Zenhom]

Exactly. And just to recap real quick, high margin businesses are like digital products, software communities, online courses, coaching, all the things. I just mentioned that scale very well. Low margin products are like things like food, physical products, things that will have a cost involved every time you need to produce it. I just want to also mention one more thing. So say for example, your dream is to create healthy meals that get delivered to people at their door. Okay, that's a great idea and a good dream to have. But I really would encourage you to think a little bit broader and think, hey, maybe I can be in the same space and start my first business so I can make some money and learn about business and scale in that space. But maybe I don't have to sell actual physical food. I can sell recipes, I could sell advice. I could create content around this area of eating healthy and become an authority there. And then once I build my audience and I made some traction and I maybe made some money through consulting or coaching, I can then use that momentum and that leverage and that audience I built to sell my meals. My point is, is that like, make it a little bit easy on yourself with a higher profit margin business, at least for your first business. Let's take a quick break from this convo just to let everybody know that we have an upcoming episode that I don't want them to miss. So please, please, please subscribe. This is for your benefit so that you don't miss this episode. You get the episode automatically. This episode is all about how to set your prices in your business so that you hit that million dollar in revenue mark in your business. You want to make a million dollars a year, how do you set your prices to get there and how to reverse engineer it. We recently recorded this episode and we can't wait to release it. It's coming out soon. Hit subs so you don't miss it. All right, let's move into condition number three. And I actually think this is the most important condition and it's all about what's in your head. It's your mindset in building your side hustle. And we talked about I really love this word because you really should be building something that will be your full time thing and you really should see this period where you're putting those 15 hours a week or more. If you have more time as a chance for you to validate your business idea, a chance for you to get traction, a chance for you to get some sales and learn about your customer and see it as the beginning of your full time business.

[Nicole Baldino]

If you put yourself in your mind back when you started your side hustle, where was your thinking or how did you perceive like those early days and where this was going?

[Omar Zenhom]

Well, the reason why I share this advice is because at the start I wasn't thinking that way. I was thinking about I'd just like make a few bucks on the side. I was thinking, I'm not sure if I'm good at this business thing yet. Let me just experiment and not really go all in. I was kind of dipping my toe into the pool and I felt that the side hustles or the businesses that actually did well were the ones that I really had the vision for being my only thing. Like I'm going to quit My job for this business. Here's the reality, and we talk about this all the time, that part time efforts will give you part time results. I know that's harsh to hear, but you have to understand that whatever business you're building on the side right now, you are competing with people that are doing this full time. People are putting in 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 hours a week into this thing, building a team, growing it, scaling it, dumping money. Some people are getting funding. Like, you have to be real about this. Like, you can't make this a successful business that competes with these businesses forever if you're only putting 15 hours. That's just the reality of it. So you want to grow it to a point where you have validation. And a good way to validate, to say, hey, this is actually has some legs, is to say, like, what's your goal with this business in terms of like revenue? How much money do you want to make? How much profit you want to make? So say for example, like this was, this was what I was doing. I thought, okay, I want to be able to keep $10,000 a month. In order for me to have $10,000 a month in my bank every single month to get deposited, what do I have to do? Well, if I have 50% margins, I need to make $20,000 a year. I'm sorry, $20,000 a month the way I keep 10,000. So what does that mean? Well, it means that if I am putting in 15 hours, let's just call that half time of what a full time effort would be like. Full time effort is 40 hours or so. But let's just be a little bit conservative and say that's half the time that I would spend in a normal business. Well, that means I need to make at least $10,000 in revenue with my 15 hours in order for it to equal $20,000 in revenue with 30, 40 hours. So if it hit that mark, I know, hey, there's a good chance if I put in all my time and all my effort and all my focus, all my attention, I'm going to be able to make this my full time thing.

[Nicole Baldino]

So you're looking for those early signs or setting those goals early on pretty quickly and consistently to give you the sense that, yes, I'm on the right track. Because you don't want to be spending. I think we'll come back to Mandeep's question. How long do I want to be spending in this side hustle mode? Starting and stopping and really giving myself the chance to get those wins to Know that I'm heading in the right direction. Would you say that's fair?

[Omar Zenhom]

That is fair. And I just saw it as like the finish line. Like, like I'm going to get to quit my job once I hit this revenue mark because then I know there's a good chance that I can be able to survive with that kind of revenue if I put in full time effort. I think one of the biggest myths inside Hustles is this idea of like, I'm going to just make some money on the side. They kind of see it as like a part time job. I'm putting in the X amount of hours, I'm going to get X amount of money and I'm just going to grow my side hustle. My whole thing is I just want to make an extra $1,500 a month or $2,000 a month. And I'll just do that and just continue to make that much money every single month. This is a big myth because that's just not how business works. In business, you're either growing or you're dying. You can't just hit a milestone and be like, okay, I'm just going to maintain this milestone. That's just not how business works.

[Nicole Baldino]

You're not training yourself for the reality, I suppose, because that could probably last for a little bit, but you're not training your what the reality of full time entrepreneurship and long term businesses, how they actually operate, which is not this like, let's just stay at this level of profit or level of revenue. It's got to constantly be moving.

[Omar Zenhom]

And yeah, you gotta be moving forward, you gotta be growing or unfortunately you're gonna see your business start tanking. It just, there's no Stacy's in business. So you have to just think about, okay, once I hit a certain level, what's the next move? The next move is putting in more time and making it your full time thing. That's the next move. And then after that, once it's your full time thing and you hit a certain level, like, well, this is all I could do by myself and I have to start hiring. What happens when I hire one person, two people, three people, four people? What happens when I start leveraging with technology? What happens when I start building a media team around me so I can start leveraging media to grow my business? This is what I mean by like, you have to start scaling your business, start moving up the levels of business. You know, you just can't play the same level over and over in this game, right? You just can't do that and hit the reset button. You have to continue to grow or the business will collapse.

[Nicole Baldino]

The harsh truth. But yeah, we've seen it.

[Omar Zenhom]

It's a harsh truth. And you could see it really at the other side of the spectrum, like at scale, like companies like Amazon, for example, like, they're mammoth companies, huge companies that have grown to monopolies really. And the truth is, is that like Jeff Bezos really doesn't have a choice. Like he has to grow or he will die or his competition will get you alive. This has happened over and over again. You could see the story of Walmart. Walmart was like Amazon before Amazon. And Walmart ate everybody's lunch and closed down a bunch of stores in the US Like Caldor and Bradley's and Kmart even really was affected by it. And that's because that's how competition works. That's how the marketplace works.

[Nicole Baldino]

Got it. Okay, let's bring it home for Mandeep and for everyone else who's in this situation.

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah. So to recap for Mandeep and everybody else who's listening, this is my honest opinion. This is what I know what works. If you know a better way, please tell me. But this is what I know works. You need to put in at least condition number one. You need to put in at least 15 hours a week. And you need to see those hours as sacred. You can't break those promises to yourself. Make sure you have a dedicated place to go to to work on your business for those 15 hours. The second condition is profit margins. You want to make sure your profit margin is at least 50% for this business so that you could start to scale, grow, reinvest and see enough traction for you to be able to want to quit your job and make it your full time thing. And the third thing is, like I said, the mindset of your side hustle is just a validation stage. It's a stage for you to see yourself as like, hey, this is when I'm going to see if this business has traction. Eventually. This is going to be my full time thing. This is not something I'm going to do forever as a part time gig for 15 hours. It's going to be the thing I do 100% of my hours.

[Nicole Baldino]

I love that. And that speaks, that last point, the way you phrased it now speaks to Mandeep, who's asking this question. And to me, the fact that he's asking this question after a year means that he hasn't given up. And I think one of the things we probably haven't talked about is that persistence. Persistence is that thing that's going to carry you through the journey. It's going to be the raw material, the foundation that you'll need to keep going whether your business changes or you pivot and you know, from all the lessons that you learn. So I just think that what we've been able to provide is in answer to Mandeep's question, is the structure around it to how to think about, okay, this is my stage right now. These are the conditions that I need. And that persistence is what's going to

[Omar Zenhom]

keep me going 100%. And if I want to put this into one question for everybody who is watching and listening, the question is, do you really want this? Do you actually want to be a full time business owner, to be an entrepreneur? Because if you do, you will find a way to make this happen. And you can think of countless examples in your own life. There are people that go to night school so they can get their degree and it's really tough, but they want that degree so they can get a better job. People want to be a parent. They have a child and they make time to take care of their child and change the diapers and feed them, you know, because this is a priority for them. So if this is a priority, you will make it happen. Only you can answer that question if it's a priority. If you actually want this.

[Nicole Baldino]

Yeah. And I feel like for Mandeep, since he sent in this question, I think he will make the time and this is a priority for him.

[Omar Zenhom]

We believe in you, Mandeep.

[Nicole Baldino]

We're wishing him the best. Well, loved your passion, loved all those conditions and those insights. And I'm here to, you know, ask the questions that you'd be asking Omar if you were right next to him. If you've got a question that you want Omar to answer, go to 100mba.netq Submit your question and Omar's gonna pick it up and we'll answer here on Q and A Wednesdays.

[Omar Zenhom]

Yeah. And if you want to continue learning, we have a recent episode that we published where I share my whole story about quitting my job and going full time as an entrepreneur and starting a business. If you want to get into that episode, just scroll back on whatever app platform you're on right now. Apple, Spotify, YouTube, it's called that how to quit your job and start a business. My exact blueprint. So go ahead and check it out. Thanks so much for being here today and being part of the show. We'll continue to publish these episodes to help you along your journey. Thanks for being here.

[Nicole Baldino]

See you next time.

[Omar Zenhom]

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