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Welcome. It is verdict with center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you as well. And it's nice to have you with us center. We got a one heck of a show with a lot of behind the scenes action happening. With the luncheon you were in with a lot of other senators and President Donald Trump.
Senator Ted Cruz
Well, that's right. This week President Trump came to join the Senate Republican Lunch and he was in there for about a full hour and it was a contentious lunch. You know what I said to reporters afterwards? I think that the adjective I used was spirited and to use another Washington euphemism for frank and candid conversation occurred. And the president was very upset in particular at four Republican senators that had voted to use the War Powers act to restrict his authority in Iran to launch military actions against Iran. And he was extremely displeased with that vote. And it then proceeded. As a matter of policy, I don't repeat what my colleagues have said, but at this point it has been universally reported that the president and Bill Cassidy, Senator from Louisiana, got into a screaming match and it was as tense as anything I've ever seen. Cassidy himself has confirmed that to the press afterwards. Now, obviously President Trump endorsed against Bill Cassidy in his primary in Louisiana and defeated Bill. So he is not. There's a runoff in Louisiana and Bill did not make the top two. He was third in the race. And Cassidy in turn had previously voted to convict President Trump during the Trump impeachment. And so the president understandably is not happy about the vote to convict him in impeachment and was not happy with Bill's vote to limit his ability to defend this nation and launch military attacks against Iran.
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You know, that's interesting, the part there. And obviously you guys have these lunches and I want to be respectful of you and others that are obviously in that meeting. But I've got some questions just based on what's been the media and we're going to do that in a second. But first I want to tell you about Patriot Mobile and this company that you really need to know about that's making a difference every single day. If you think wireless companies are all the same, you might need to take a look at Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile isn't just different because of its mission. It's actually built to outperform the carriers you have and use right now. They offer premium priority nationwide service on any of the three major U S networks, helping you get the best possible coverage wherever life takes you. And with Patriot Mobile, you can even have two separate networks on a single device. That eliminates the need to carry multiple phones and giving you peace of mind, you just can't get with the other providers. Now if you need Internet on the go, Patriot Mobile WI fi hotspots connect to multiple networks to keep you connected while traveling or working remotely. They also offer international roaming and enterprise solutions for businesses that need dependable connectivity and US based support. You can keep your number, keep your phone and you can upgrade to a new one if you want to. And you can switch from your home or office. It just takes a few minutes. And, and when you call Patriot Mobile, you're going to talk to a real person right here in America. So superior coverage, superior products, superior customer support. That's why I switched to Patriot Mobile. So go to patriotmobile.com verdict and you are going to get a free month of service with a promo code verdict. Or you can call them 972-patriot that's 972-patriots patriot 972-patriot or call them and go online at patriot mobile.com verdict promo code verdict for a free month of service. Make the switch and make a difference every time you pay your bill. So Senator, a lot of this has been reported on. There's a lot on X about this right now with Cassidy. When were you and were your colleagues kind of expecting that there was going to be some sort of moment? Because sometimes people telegraph beforehand or were you and others taken just kind of shocked by how that went?
Senator Ted Cruz
The intensity of it, look, look, it probably needed to be gotten out but, but the intensity of it was, you know, I, I'm, I'm reading what, what Cassidy said. So for example, here's what the New York Post has reported. President Trump and Senator Bill Cassidy got into a shouting match during a lunch meeting Wednesday over the U.S. war with Iran. GOP senators described Trump as being, quote, mad as a murder hornet, raising his voice at the Louisiana Republican Cassidy. And this is Cassidy's public comments, so I'm happy to repeat those. Cassidy, who later quipped that the talks went swimmingly, called the president my brother several times during the heated exchange, Senate GOP sources said the president spat back that Cassidy wasn't his brother and told him to sit down. And here's what Cassidy told reporters. Quote, trump did not particularly care for my comments, raised his voice, I lost my temper. It's the Irish in me. But again, I matched his tone and volume. And so it went back and forth. And then he went on to say, so I sat down and tried to de escalate. It was, it was very intense. But I'll tell you what, it had an interesting effect. As intense as it was because we had another vote after that exchange on the war powers, and Cassidy switched his vote. And there was also an exchange. Rand Paul had voted. He was one of the four. And listen, the president and Rand have a friendship. He and Rand disagree on a lot of issues, but the president likes Rand. And so it was a very different exchange with Rand than it was with Cassidy. And Rand did something which I've never seen him do before, which is he voted present rather than voting for the war powers resolution. And so those two votes changed, and Rand put out a statement explaining that he was doing that. But I respected that Rand did that in particular. Look, the president's case, and I thought it was quite reasonable, is he said, we're in the middle of negotiating with Iran. And while we're negotiating with Iran, it comes over the TV that the Senate has blocked me from being able to continue with conducting the war. And he said, you completely undercut my ability to negotiate with Iran. And I think the president. That was a very understandable point and a fair point, and it ended up moving those two votes.
Ben Ferguson
When you're an average person listening right now, and there's a lot of people listening that are in states where these senators who have lost and others have said no, did this, how frustrated should they be? And is that justifiable or is it just understanding the politics of this moment?
Senator Ted Cruz
Look, the politics of this moment are unique. And Donald Trump is a black swan event. There is nobody else in public life. There is no other Donald Trump. And so he will say things he is regularly. There are different senators that he disagrees with. And when he disagrees with you, he can do it with both barrels. And I've been on the receiving end of that. But that was a decade ago when we were running against each other. And to be fair, I've criticized him, he's criticized me. We're now. I'm now his strongest ally in the Senate, and we're very good friends now. But he is willing to take the bark off someone. And that was certainly true in the Senate lunch this week.
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Ben Ferguson
One of the reasons why I love doing this show is we get to take you behind the scenes, especially when there's big deals like this Republican lunch with Donald Trump and Senator Cruz taking us behind the scenes about that. I know one of the big questions everyone listening right now is going to ask, Senator, is all right, was the SAVE act mentioned and what was said?
Senator Ted Cruz
Well, sure. The President urged the Senate to pass the Save America act, and I strongly agree with him on that. I'm an original sponsor of the Save America Act. I've been making the case to my colleagues for months that we should do everything humanly possible to pass the Save America act, and in particular, we should force the Democrats to do a talking filibuster, to stand up and talk and talk and talk, just like Jimmy Stewart did in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, just like I did when I filibustered for 21 hours against Obamacare. And we should keep the Senate in session and make them work and make them fight. The President made that case vigorously. The difficulty is there are several Republicans in the Senate who oppose him on that. And so it ended up not being a huge part of what was discussed. It was. The President talked about it for a few minutes and pressed his case. And I very much agree with him on that. But I would say 90% of the discussion was about Iran and in particular how mad he was at the war powers vote. He felt that that vote had really undercut him. And he was. And then it blew up, as we just described, where he and Cassidy really went at each other.
Ben Ferguson
Senator, I want to go back to the filibuster you mentioned. This has been talked about so much on tv. You have a lot of allies that are advocating for what you just talked about. In the IC idea of having this talking filibuster, you famously have done this before, but in this scenario, would it look just like one man talking? Or with so many different allies that you have that have talked about this publicly, would it be multiple people asking questions? Is that part of the reason why it's an intriguing idea?
Senator Ted Cruz
Well, look, part of what you would do is the Senate can keep itself in one legislative day for days, for weeks, for months, potentially. And there is a rule in the Senate that is the two speech rule, which is that a Senator can't speak more than twice in a single legislative day. And so the approach would be to exhaust the Democrats, to make them talk, to make them stand up there and keep talking and talking. They can. People can ask questions. And if the Senator speaking wants to yield for a question, they can. The challenge of doing that is it would require the Republicans keeping at least 50 of us nearby to be able to produce a quorum. Because one of the ways the Democrats would fight us is, is they would suggest the absence of a quorum. And as I said, we've got several Republican senators who are resisting that.
Ben Ferguson
Yeah, and that's, that's part of the reporting that's been interesting as you described it. That's. Look The President knows how to count as well. He also did. And there was a moment where he came out after the meeting and, and he did say this to the American people. And I want to play it for you.
Donald Trump
Great meeting. And we're very proud of the party here. Like, everybody really in the room. I don't like a few people, but that's okay. I think you know who they are. But we. I'll give you. I'll give you that information someday. But for the most part, we have a really, well, unified party. And I said it very strongly. We have the hottest country anywhere in the world. We're the most powerful, we're the smartest, we're the most respected. Two years ago, we were a laughingstock all over the world. We had a terrible group of people representing us. Every leader. I just left G7. Every leader. And we had a lot of people in addition to G7, as you know, came. Everyone said, what we've done in a year and a half is a miracle. We have the hottest country in the world and we want to keep it that way. We have more factories being built right now than we have at any point at any time in the history of our country. And all of those factories are opening up soon. It's all jobs. And our job numbers are incredible. Anyway, I see that oil just broke the $70 number. Who would have thought that was going to happen? And that's during a war. And Iran is being very nice. They're agreeing to everything that I want and they have to. Otherwise we just go back and do what we have to do. Thank you very much.
Ben Ferguson
By the way, the interesting part there in that is the way he described Iran doing what he wants right now. And they're being, quote, very nice. That's some breaking news.
Senator Ted Cruz
Well, that's been very much what the President has been saying. And, you know, I will say, listening to the President in that news conference, it reminds me this week I was joking with Senator Bernie Moreno. We were like, you know, boy, the President got pretty hot under the collar. And I made a wise crack. I said, you know, I think the President must be Latino because that was some Latin temper there. And Bernie came back and he said, you know, I think you're right. And just like a Latino, he gets mad and then he's just fine, like moments afterwards. And, you know, by the press conference, I mean, he was pissed in that room. And then the press conference, he was rightly focusing on the unity we have. Although I wouldn't say there was a ton of unity in that particular lunch, but the unity we have more broadly and everything we're getting accomplished. And so I think that was valuable. You know, it was also interesting on the Iran deal. He was mad about the war powers vote, but he did not listen. I've been quite public and vocal that I'm concerned that the president is getting very bad advice on this deal. And I think it is history is clear that giving billions of dollars to theocratic lunatics who want to murder us is a very bad idea. And the terms of the memorandum of understanding that J.D. vance negotiated say the United States with regional partners, will provide $300 billion to the Ayatollah and the mullahs in Iran. And that I think is a really bad idea. I don't think it is in US national security interest. What was interesting about the lunch is President Trump is well aware of my concerns and several other Republican senators have expressed concerns along those same lines. And he didn't. He wasn't arguing with those. I think he's hearing those concerns. I'm glad he's hearing those concerns because I think those who are giving him the advice of sending billions of dollars to Iran, I think are giving him poor advice. And that was not a major topic of the discussion at the lunch.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Well, this week it was a major Second Amendment victory at the Supreme Court. The case is Wolford vs Lopez. And Hawaii had passed a really broad gun control law and it was known as Act 52. It passed in 2023, and it made it a crime for a licensed concealed carry holder to carry a firearm onto private property that is open to the public unless the owner gave express permission. And the consequence of that would mean if you had a permit to concealed carry, you couldn't walk into, say, a grocery store, you couldn't walk into a department store unless the owner explicitly said, I give you permission to carry a firearm here. As a practical matter, that was a really broad band on a right that is protected by the Constitution. And so the Supreme Court struck it down. The vote was 6 to 3. Justice Sam Alito wrote the majority. And what the court said is that, well, there were several opinions. So Justice Alito wrote the main opinion. He was joined by Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett. And that held that the Hawaii law burdened the right to bear arms. The plaintiffs are the Second Amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. And the majority said that you can't take away that right that broadly and struck it down.
Ben Ferguson
This is, again, I love when we get these rulings and it reminds people just why presidential elections are so important because these are the types of rulings that happen even after people leave the White House. And this is why it's important that we have a conservative majority on the court. I go back, I got to remind people, you got a book coming out with Clarence Thomas. This is a perfect example of why having people like Clarence Thomas on the, on the Supreme Court is so important. And remind people the name of the book so they can go get it. There's a site up right now where they can preorder as well.
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Going further, the Incomparable Clarence Thomas is the name of the book. It's coming out in August and it's a biography. It talks about his life story, it talks about his jurisprudence. And actually a big part of his jurisprudence was highly relevant in this decision, because what Hawaii argued is it went back on historical evidence and argued that Hawaii had colonial laws that gave it the power to do this. And the Supreme Court said, no, those dealt with poaching or hunting or protecting rural land. And sure, you can't go on someone else's land and say, hunt wildlife on their land. That's very different from saying, land that is open to the public, like a gas station or grocery store, that you can just turn ordinary citizens exercising their constitutional rights automatically into criminals. And Hawaii in particular pointed to an 1865 Louisiana Black Code statute as saying, well, this gives us a basis for passing this law. And Justice Alito's majority pointed out that that was a law that was designed to disarm freed black Americans who. This was right after the Civil War. And you look at these black codes, they were driven by Klansmen. And by the way, the Klansmen were all Democrats who did not want the newly freed slaves to be able to defend themselves. Why? Because they wanted the Klan to be able to terrorize them, murder them, threaten them with violence. And if they had a firearm to defend themselves, that would be harder to do. And Justice Thomas has written extensively about that, doing the research during Reconstruction, that the long racist history of wanting to disarm African Americans to make them vulnerable to violence. And that played an important part in this Supreme Court decision this week.
Ben Ferguson
Senator, there's one red flag here I want to raise. And not only did the Supreme Court shut down what Hawaii was doing, but to be clear, Hawaii was attempting to make the Second Amendment disappear from everyday life. That is something that's concerning because this is now the Democratic Party. This is what they want to do. They want to take away your right to protect and defend yourself. They want to take away your right not only at home, but anywhere at your business or anywhere else. And. And they don't care. What about our Second Amendment right at all. That to them is meaningless. And you witness that here. And that goes back to the dissent. When you look at this decision, what were the other three saying? Because if you're descending to this, I would assume you'd have to make it based on the fact that. Well, I don't even. The Second Amendment is an issue that Supreme Court should even take into consideration.
Senator Ted Cruz
Well, there were three dissenters, Justice Kagan, Justice Jackson, and Justice Sotomayor. And all three of them would have upheld the Hawaii law. And they argued that the case was really about property law. And they argued in particular that no one has a constitutional right to Enter private property without consent. And so it didn't matter whether you were armed or not. It was simply property law. But you know, there have long been number one laws governing public accommodations. So for example, you can't have a hotel that only rents rooms to white people and not African Americans. That's illegal under our civil rights laws. That once you open it up at a public accommodation, you have to offer it freely to the people who come in. And in this instance, shutting down those. Look, it's one thing, anyone can exclude someone from their property. No one has a right to enter your home or my home. But when you open up your property, when you have a store or gas station or whatever, and you're inviting people into your property, the effect of that would turn law abiding citizens into criminals. And that's because, listen, the left is not hiding that their objective. They want to erase the second amendment from the constitution. They want to ban the private ownership of firearms. And Hawaii was taking a significant step in that direction by making it extremely difficult for people to carry a firearm and be able to defend themselves. And Ben, you've got personal experience, Tell folks your experience and how carrying a gun literally saved your life.
Ben Ferguson
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm such an advocate for this. It's the reason why I ended up buying a gun store and having a gun range and having the classes to get your permit to carry. Now, it's constitutional carry in Tennessee and so many other states, but being able to protect and defend yourself. If I didn't have a gun the night that I was a target of a gang initiation, you would have come to my funeral. That's not a joke. There was two gang members. It's called getting blood in the gang. And one of the senior members gets another guy in the gang and they have to kill somebody. And they do that so they have something on them so that the gang members will never flip or narc or wear a wire because they can go to the police and say, hey, there's a shooting that happened at this time at this place. And it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a brilliant business structure if you think about it. I almost, I, when they explained it to me, the police did, I was like, okay, wow, that's, that's shocking. But I was able to use my firearm, pull it and shoot back and save my life and my best friend's life who happened to be with me. Thank goodness he wasn't shot either. But it was a shootout. And I tell you Like, I look at this Hawaii, and it's personal for me and any other state where they try to take away your right to protect and defend yourself because you have that right. That's what makes this country so great. And when you see these, these Supreme Court justices who just say, I don't care what the. What America was found, I don't care about the Second Amendment. And the same way in Hawaii, they basically said, we don't care what the laws were or are or what is in this country, that makes it America. We're just gonna change what we want to. And having three Supreme Court justices who make the decision the way that you just described it, it goes back to, this is why presidential elections matter. Because when you lose, these are the types of people that get on the Supreme Court and they can undo this country.
Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah. I mean, look, Gavin Newsom, who by any measure is one of the leading frontrunners for the Democrat nomination for president, he tweeted out in response to this quote, gun laws keep people safe. This ruling by Trump's Supreme Court will only endanger people. If Justice Alito really thinks people need guns to go to the grocery store for self defense. This country is truly broken. By the way, where were you when, when, when you were. When. When these gang members tried to kill you?
Ben Ferguson
All right, so I was in Memphis, Tennessee. It was literally a block and a half from the entrance to the large Mid South Fair. So we, when it happened, they put a gun to my head at one point, and there were a family with a stroller walking past us, and he had to move the gun from the side of my head down to the inside. And he told me to shake his blanking hand. I had to shake hands with a guy that had just beat me up, and it had a gun to my head. That's how close we were. The fair, we actually didn't even have to dial 911. We just ran down the street to a police officer that was directing traffic. That's how close they were to us. And the police officer said, we heard the gunshots. And so, you know, you look at those types of people, that's what you're up against. And that's why you gotta be able to protect and you gotta be able to defend yourself.
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And if the Democrats have their way, you won't, you won't be able to carry a firearm and defend yourself. And that's what they believe.
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wrestling.com the Supreme Court also handed President Trump two major immigration victories. And this was an exciting moment when it comes to immigration cases and victories that we needed.
Senator Ted Cruz
Well, that's right, six, three, the Supreme Court. There were two big wins. One case was Mullen versus Doe. The other case was Mullen versus Al Otro Lado, which is Spanish for on the other side. And in both instances, it was six, three, both instances. Justice Alito wrote the opinion. So all three of these opinions were written by Justice Alito. He had an incredibly strong week defending our rights. One of the cases, the Mullen vs Al Otolado, what it is concluded is that an illegal immigrant on the other side of the border in Mexico has not entered into the United States for purposes of immigration law. And the Biden administration had adopted a policy where they treated illegal immigrants who weren't in the country as if they were in the country and that they had a right to all sorts of processes before, before they come into the country. Now, remember, starting in the first Trump term, President Trump implemented what was called the remain in Mexico policy, which dramatically reduced illegal immigration in the first Trump term. And that was preventing illegal immigrants from coming to this country in the first place. And this was an effort to ignore the plain language of the immigration laws. And I led an amicus brief. Amicus curiae is Latin for friend of the court. And I led an amicus brief that was joined by five members of Congress supporting the Trump administration's policy of stopping immigrants, prevent illegal immigrants, stopping them from coming into the country. And the Supreme Court agreed with my brief, agreed with the Trump Department of Justice, handed down that victory. And then the other case, which is Mullen v. Doe, the court concluded that temporary protected status, which the Biden administration had awarded to hundreds of thousands of Haitians and Syrians, that President Trump could reverse that, that it wasn't a permanent grant of amnesty. That decision likewise was hugely important for the successes. I mean, remember, in this second Trump term, we have seen illegal border crossings drop 99%. That's a staggering victory. And the Supreme Court upheld the president's ability to continue, continue enforcing the law.
Ben Ferguson
Yeah, it really is. And I want people just to hear Shannon Berry said this on FOX News Channel about this. I want to take a listen. Here's how she described it in front
Shannon Bream
of the Supreme Court and Syrian refugees who were here in the country. And basically what the court has said is that they can't challenge this decision by the Department of Homeland Security, by the administration, that they're the ones who get to make the assessment about whether they leave or not. I haven't read the whole thing, but they do get into some of the claims that by some of those who are advocating for the Haitians refugees, that there was some kind of racial animus. The court says they don't see evidence of that. So I'll keep reading. But it's another very fractured decision that seems to be a win for the Trump administration, which would be the second win for them on immigration, that earlier decision that we talked about that came out just a few minutes ago, saying that if you get to the Mexico border, but you don't make it onto US Soil, you can't file an asylum claim. So the Trump administration has to be happy about what they've gotten today. We've still got eight opinions left, and it looks like Monday will be so.
Ben Ferguson
So you hear her talk about this ruling in favor of Trump. This is another example of doing the right thing may be tough, you may go the Supreme Court, but you're going to win in this scenario.
Senator Ted Cruz
And by the way, both of These decisions were 6, 3, which means that the liberals on the court, they don't care what the statutory language says. They just, just like in the Second Amendment case, where they would effectively read the Second Amendment out of the Bill of Rights when it comes to illegal immigration, they would read out the ability to secure our border. And they would try instead embody the open border policies we saw during the Biden administration. Compare how Shannon Bream covered it on Fox. Compare this to MsNow, which is, I guess what they're calling MSNBC now. I don't even know that anyone watches the the show. But listen to the lefties on MSN now losing their minds.
Ben Ferguson
Yeah, total meltdown. Take a listen, Alan.
Karen Kilgariff
I want your reaction to what Fallon just laid out for us there and the concept here that the court is ignoring the history of this administration's remarks about Haitian people in particular. I don't think there is a single American who can say they actually forget what we heard from the president, what we heard from Vice President advance about Haitian people. Just some of the most disgusting and racist remarks you can imagine. I know that you work with a number of Haitian clients. Break down for me just how devastating all this is about to be.
Chair of Haitian Bridge Alliance
Very devastating. And I hope we stop talking about it as the Trump administration won or someone won, because right now, America lost. There are going to be a lot of jobs that are open and a lot of people in home health care industries that are not going to receive any service because their providers are going to be removed from the United States. There are a lot of people who are, who are going to die and suffer because of the account of this. So I wish this court was more of a court of equity than they say they were a court of policy right now. So I am the chair of the Haitian Bridge alliance, which is the United States organization that represents these Haitians before the Supreme Court. And we have made the argument that not just his comments, but also in the writings and just recently, even the discovered emails from Kristi Noem about the clear conversations they've made about Haitians and black immigrants in general. When you even look at the refugee policy and this court has said even with that information, there's nothing for us to do here, which seems to be extremely problematic along party lines. And today you've seen something that I haven't seen in the Supreme Court in a very long time is that you've seen the justice sort of read dissents that are 35 pages from the bar. So even in the Supreme Court, you see not the harmony that generally exists there in peaceful dissent in saying that this is outside the norm. And because it is outside the norm, because it isn't about just policy and procedure. This is about people and human engagement. And the concept that people keep saying that the problem is that it's temporary status and it's been longer than temporary. Well, change the word. Don't put people's lives in danger because you feel that that arbitrarily moves something. And as stated before, there are a million subclasses of TPS individuals who are here legally working. So they're authorized. They've been vetted. There's not the concerns that you have with people who may come in undocumented as well as they're supporting our economy. And when you remove those individuals, you draw down all of those work areas. So all those jobs are doing. All of these companies that were relying on these TPS workers to work tomorrow are going to have to make decisions about them leaving today. So this is not a big win that we think we're going to celebrate. And there are 350 million or more Americans in the United States. A million TPS holders are not causing some economic burden on the United States.
Ben Ferguson
Senator. You listen to that and you would think the sky is falling. And that is how they're covering it on Ms. Now, the former msnbc.
Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah, look, the left wants open borders. We saw under Joe Biden 12 million people invade this country and that included criminals. It included murderers and rapists and terrorists and child molesters. And that's what these advocates want. And by the way you look at from Haiti, Haiti right now is rocked with mass massive violence. It is all but chaos in Haiti as the gangs have taken over. And those are the people that the left is trying to bring in. And let me be clear, the immigration law that was being decided on here says explicitly no judicial review of any determination. And yet that's what the court followed. And yet the dissenters don't care what the statute says. They just want open borders.
Ben Ferguson
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Episode: Fiery Trump Lunch with Senate GOP plus Three Blockbuster Supreme Court WINS on Second Amendment & Immigration
Date: June 26, 2026
Host: Ben Ferguson (with guest Senator Ted Cruz)
This episode dives deep into a dramatic Senate Republican lunch featuring President Donald Trump, dissecting sharp internal GOP disagreements, especially surrounding U.S. policy on Iran. The discussion further pivots to three major Supreme Court victories for the Trump administration—on the Second Amendment and immigration policy—providing listeners with detailed, behind-the-scenes insights, stern analysis, and personal anecdotes from Ben Ferguson and Senator Ted Cruz.
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SCOTUS Decision: Wolford vs Lopez
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The episode maintains a punchy, candid conversational style consistent with conservative talk radio. Cruz offers inside baseball from Capitol Hill and direct legal analysis, while Ferguson delivers personal perspective and pointed political commentary. Both speakers highlight the far-reaching impacts of Supreme Court appointments and the stakes of partisan battles over gun rights and immigration.
Listeners are left with a clear sense of the high political drama behind the scenes in Washington, the significance of recent legal victories for the Trump administration, and the ongoing struggle both within the GOP and with Democratic opponents over the future of U.S. policy and law.