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The 47 Morning Update with Ben Ferguson
Biden Impeachment: Dems LYING When They Say "No Direct Evidence"
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Ben Ferguson
Welcome. It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz. Ben Ferguson with you. A massive news day with impeachment and Kevin McCarthy announcing that the Republicans in the House are going to move forward. We're going to do a very deep dive into that, explain everything that's happening and what's going to happen in the days and weeks and months ahead. But before we get to that, Senator, there was also some other shocking news, and that is that the House was informed, Congress was informed on the anniversary of 911 that there was going to be a prisoner swap with Iran. And, oh, by the way, we're going to send them, basically allow them to get their hands on $6 billion that they had in assets. This is a terrible move, in my opinion. I want to get your take on this. It's shocking this happened, especially notifying Congress on the anniversary 9 11.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Well, it's outrageous and it's dangerous. On September 11th, I was in New York City. I was at the fire station that lost the most firefighters at Ground Zero. Fifteen firefighters from the station I was at never returned. And I had the opportunity to speak at a memorial and to thank the families that were grieving those heroes. And I pointed out, you know, the word hero is used cheaply a lot of times to refer to athletes, to refer to musicians. Hero doesn't apply to any of them. The men who charged into burning buildings knowing they were headed to certain death. They are heroes. And it was really an extraordinary honor to give tribute to them and to try to try to tell the story for young people of what happened on September 11th. While we're there remembering. Joe Biden couldn't bother to show up. But to add insult to injury, Joe Biden announces that he's given $6 billion to the Ayatollah, a radical Islamic theocratic who regularly chants death to America and death to Israel. The $6 billion is in exchange for five Americans. On top of that, there are another five Iranians that are being released at this point. They have not publicly said who they are of what they've done. I'm sure it's bad because if it weren't bad, they would, they, they would have told us already. There are lots of reasons why this is wrong, one of which is this money, the $6 billion will go directly to fund terrorism. This money.
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Ben Ferguson
Oh, no, no. The Biden administration promised us this. Their words. This will only go for humanitarian issues. They were saying this $6 billion will never be used for anything bad at all. What's even worse than that is the lie is the Iranian president Came out and said, no, no, we'll spend the money from the prisoner swap how we want. In other words, screw you Biden, you're lying to the American people about it, and we'll do whatever the hell we want with the money.
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Senator Ted Cruz
The exact quote from Iran's president was that the funds will be used, quote, wherever we need it. And it is a metaphysical certainty this money will be used to fund terrorism. Why? Because Iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world. That Americans will be murdered, Israelis will be murdered, and it's not just $6 billion, because they're also refusing to enforce sanctions, which collectively is tens of billions or even hundreds of billions of dollars to fund terrorism. This is part of a secret nuclear deal. The Biden administration doesn't want to take a nuclear deal to Congress because they know they can't get it through Congress. So they're doing it in secret. And on top of that, this creates an incentive for every tin pot dictator in the world to seize more Americans. They're setting the going rate at 1.2 billion per American hostage. More Americans will be taken hostage because of this. And to do it on the anniversary of 911 is disgusting and it's dangerous.
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Ben Ferguson
There was something else in here, Senator, that really shocked me in, in. In all of the most recent prisoner swaps that we've had, we knew who we were trading and who they were and what they had done. Whether it was Brittney Griner in Russia, we knew that we were trading the merchant of death, whether, when it was Bo Bergdahl, we knew the people that we were trading, for example, in Afghanistan, and we knew their resume of terror. What they'd done, I can't find anywhere. And I want to know, as a member of Congress, have you been briefed on who the five Iranians are that they're getting back and what the hell have they done?
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Senator Ted Cruz
So I have not. I assume that at some point we will be. And I also assume at some point the names and what they did will be made public. I very much hope so. But this is profoundly dangerous. When you funnel billions of dollars to theocratic homicidal maniacs, you endanger lives. And it is tragically a certainty that Americans will die because of this decision from the Biden administration. And to do it on the anniversary of 911 shows really a complete lack of awareness of the magnitude of the.
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Ben Ferguson
Threat, to be clear. And I think this goes back to 9 11. Iran killed more or helped kill more and dismember more Americans with roadside bombs and giving safe haven to terrorists after we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan than any other country in the Middle east by.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Far, not even close.
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Ben Ferguson
And we just gave them money that they can do, in their words, whatever they want to do with it, $6 billion. Is there any way that Congress can stop this or is this a straight up executive decision and that's it?
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Senator Ted Cruz
Well, I'm going to fight for Congress to stop it. But let's be clear. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats will stand with Biden and stand with Iran against America and against our Israeli allies.
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Ben Ferguson
We're going to keep trying to get answers to these questions, obviously. And we'll keep you updated on. I do want to deal with, obviously, the massive story of the day that is taking in the headlines. And that's exactly. We wanted to make sure you knew what was going on with Iran, and that is with impeachment. We are moving forward with impeachment. The house side, Kev McCarthy, has come out announcing that this podcast started with the first impeachment. Did you ever imagine, Senator, that we would be sitting here on this podcast now looking like we're going into a third impeachment? When you started this show originally, it.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Really is hard to believe. It's not impeachment number one, it's not impeachment number two, it's impeachment number three of the president, mind you not. Not even impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas? Non. Impeachment of Merrick Garland. It is. The House has formally opened its impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden. And what I want to do in this podcast is really do a deep dive into what that means and where things stand, because it's a big deal. This announcement is a big, big deal. It is consequential and it's important. Listeners to verdict. You know already the details of what's happening. But it, but it's worth breaking down the argument so that you understand it, because I guarantee you tomorrow at work, tomorrow at school, people are going to be asking about it. Family members are going to be asking about it. And you're going to want to know now, one of the best ways to assess just the magnitude the mountain of evidence that has come out. And listen, I've been calling for the House to open impeachment inquiries for months. I think the evidence long ago cleared that threshold, but they finally done it. It's worth reviewing the bidding in terms of Joe Biden's explanations. Explanation number one, that he made on the campaign trail repeatedly. That he made his president repeatedly. He said he had never discussed not even once discussed with Hunter Biden his overseas business dealings. That was explanation number one. There was a minor problem. It was a flat out bald faced lie and it was demonstrably disproven, including by Devin archer saying some 20 times Joe would call in to talk to Hunter's overseas business partners. So then explanation number two was Joe Biden was not in business with his son Hunter in his corrupt overseas deals. Now that's very different from I never discussed it. But they realized they couldn't defend that, so it wasn't in business. So they've run away from not in business anymore. That's no longer defensible because it's clear the entire business was selling favors from daddy. So talking point number three, which you're seeing multiple Democrats use word for word, you're seeing the media use word for word, is there is no direct evidence of Joe Biden's involvement of Joe Biden's corruption. Now at the outset, that throws Hunter overboard. I think the Democrats have realized, all right, Hunter is crooked as the day is long. We can't defend this guy. So Hunter, to heck with him. But there's no direct evidence of Joe. I want to break that down because that is false and it's a lie and it's every bit as false as Biden never discussed it or wasn't in business with it. But let's take the no direct evidence and explain why it's wrong. Let me start by explaining what direct evidence is. So that's the kind of lawyer word that you see, people use that if you're not a lawyer, you're like, well.
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Ben Ferguson
What does that even mean?
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Senator Ted Cruz
Right? So in a court of law, there are two types of evidence that are typically relied on to prove a factual matter. Number one is direct evidence. Number two is circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence is evidence that goes directly to a factual matter in dispute. Circumstantial evidence is based on the circumstances. You can draw an inference that leads to the factual matter in dispute. All right, what does that mean? Let me give an example. If you go to bed tonight and you look out the window and the street is dry and clean, and you wake up in the morning and you look out the window and the street is covered in snow, that is circumstantial evidence that it snowed last night, it's pretty damn good circumstantial evidence. Yeah, there's snow, but you were drawing the inference from seeing the snow on the ground that it snowed last night. Now, if you bring in a witness who stayed up all night? Who said, ben, I saw it snow last night. That would be direct evidence. The most common type of direct evidence is eyewitness testimony saying I saw this happen. Now one of the lies right at the heart of the no direct evidence is so what? It's not true. But before I get to not true, so what? People are literally convicted of crimes every day based on circumstantial evidence. They are sentenced to jail every day based on circumstantial evidence. So the, the, the modifier direct is how they're getting, getting around the mountain of evidence we've got. But, but I want to tell you how the statement there is no direct evidence is a lie. And anytime a Democrat says it, anytime the media says it, you know they're lying.
- [11:25]
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Senator Ted Cruz
So as I mentioned, there are at least two significant pieces of direct evidence of Joe Biden's involvement in corruption. Piece number one, the heart of the allegations against Joe Biden is bribery that he solicited and received bribes from foreign oligarchs. You'll recall, and we've talked about this before on verdict, that the essence of bribery is quid pro quo. Latin for this, for that, and for bribery you need to show the official action that was taken. That's the quo. The money or thing of value that was given, that's the quid. And that the two were connected. That's the, that's, that's the pro. Well, one of those elements, the official action is conclusively proven by Joe Biden in his on camera admission to the Council of Foreign Relations, where he described how he flew to Ukraine, he held a billion dollars of federal tax, federal loan guarantees hostage and demanded that the Ukrainian government fire Victor Shokin, who was the prosecutor who was prosecuting the Ukrainian oligarch. And Joe Biden, as we all know, as we played on this show many times, says, son of a bitch. Yeah, they fired him.
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Ben Ferguson
And he was gritting, by the way, because he was like, he was so prideful. And it was the arrogance of that moment. It was like he couldn't help himself. It was like, this is how powerful I was. I could go over to Ukraine and tell them who to fire and I could own them while it was happening. And if you watch that video, when I see it, it actually makes me angry because it was, it was a glimpse into the abuse of power that Joe Biden was willing to wield around the world on a litany probably of issues. And now we know why he was doing it. It was for the money and for the Biden crime family.
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Senator Ted Cruz
That's exactly right. But of the elements of bribery, Joe Biden's confession on tape is direct evidence that he committed one of the critical elements of bribery. Now, we don't yet have direct evidence of every element of the crime, but we have direct evidence of one of the most critical, critical aspects of the crime, which is the quo that Joe Biden has admitted. And that is unequivocally direct evidence. And it's pretty damn compelling direct evidence. There's a second, very clear instance of direct evidence, and that is Hunter Biden's WhatsApp message to the Chinese Communist official. And I want to read it to you again. Hunter Biden texted, quote, I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand. And now means tonight. And Z, if I get a call or a text from anyone involved in this, other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction, I am sitting here Waiting for the call with my father.
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Ben Ferguson
That's a shakedown.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Now that is direct evidence. That is a written text sent by Hunter Biden. That is direct evidence that he and his father are shaking down a Chinese Communist official. It's not circumstantial. It is direct evidence. Now it is possible that direct evidence is false. Just as if, if Hunter Biden came into court and testified, my father and I shook down a Chinese Communist official. He could be lying.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, he could. Yeah. But I doubt it.
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Senator Ted Cruz
You could, you could impeach his credibility. You could say he's lying. But it is direct evidence. Direct evidence doesn't necessarily mean that it is true. Sometimes direct evidence is false. But that's not only direct evidence, it's pretty damn compelling direct evidence. So I promise you, in the next week you will see multiple Democrats and multiple yabbering puppets in the corporate media say there's no direct evidence. You know there's no direct evidence. The appeal say the allegations of corruption against Joe Biden of which there is no direct evidence, and they'll state it as a fact and it is a lie. Every time they say it, they're lying. Because those two are serious pieces of direct evidence.
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Ben Ferguson
Let me ask you about not only that, but let's connect this to suspicious activity reports. Is this the type of stuff that will come out in impeachment when they go through it is saying, hey, we can connect the quid pro quo, we can connect these, these audio recordings, we can connect the President's words to these financial bank records and all of the bank records that James Comer on the show, if you missed the podcast we did with him, go back and listen to it. Jim Jordan, the same thing. They have so much evidence with a suspicious activity reports and the cash going, the Biden crime family members, Right. We know direct payments were going to multiple Biden family members. Is that where this could be so damning to this president could put his presidency at risk?
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Senator Ted Cruz
Absolutely, yes. And let me underscore, if you didn't listen to our two part series with James Comer, you ought to go back and listen to it because we walk through at length now, everything you just listed is circumstantial evidence. And I want to take a minute because there's a ton of circumstantial evidence and, and all of the smarmy people on TV who are saying no direct evidence, they're pretending like direct evidence is the only kind of evidence that exists. So, Ben, if there's a dead body and with multiple gunshot wounds and I.
- [18:51]
Ben Ferguson
Love how I'm always the bad guy in these scenarios. Have you noticed this? Like everybody, I'm always the bad guy.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Here.
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Ben Ferguson
I'm ready for it. Keep going.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Next to the dead body, it appears that the dead man with his bloody finger scrawled in the ground, Ferguson.
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Ben Ferguson
It did it. Ferguson did it.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Now that's not actually direct evidence. And let's say furthermore that you're found at home covered in the man's blood with gunpowder covering your body and the murder weapon at your feet.
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Ben Ferguson
Okay?
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Senator Ted Cruz
None of that is direct evidence either. And you know what? You're going away for the rest of your life. I don't need any more evidence.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, the.
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Senator Ted Cruz
That evidence. Bye bye.
- [19:32]
Ben Ferguson
Yeah, you win. I lose.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Circumstantial evidence convicts people every single day. So what is the circumstantial evidence? Look, with James Comer, he walked through the suspicious activity reports over and over and over again. The massive number of suspicious activity reports, the more than 20 shell companies, that is circumstantial evidence. As we talked through with James Comer, you don't create shell companies. But unless it is to hide the source of cash, that is serious circumstantial evidence. The allegations in the FD 1023 from a confidential human source that the FBI had previously found reliable, who says that the Ukrainian oligarch told him that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden demanded 5 million each in order for Joe to get the. The prosecutor fired. Now that's not direct evidence because the confidential human source doesn't know it directly. He's repeating what he says that the oligarch said. So that, that is hearsay, but it is circumstantial evidence and is significant. The 20 plus million dollars that the House of Representatives has already documented, that flowed into the Biden family to people, by the way, who by all appearances have no connection to foreign countries.
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Ben Ferguson
It's just like, hey, I need your bank account and here's some money.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And it's, it's, it's, it must be.
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Ben Ferguson
That's got to be a fun day. Like, we haven't talked about that enough. Senator, the fact that you could just have the last name Biden and you. And randomly you get like a text from Hunter, right? Or from Joe, it's like, hey, I need your bank account info. I'm going to send you over 100,000 bucks. Like, that's got to be kind of cool if you're in that situation where it's just like, hey, yeah, I'm a Biden. Now every once in A while this money just randomly shows up in my bank account with a random llc because that's what they've been doing for years, if not decades.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Well, yes, although it may not be all that cool because remember Hunter Biden in a 2019 text to his daughter complains about how his father, Joe Biden, made him give him quote, half his salary.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah. Half everything. Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Look, this is that, that. Likewise, all of this piles to a mountain of evidence, both direct and circumstantial. And that mountain of evidence is, is serious. But there's something else which is the COVID up. So let's go back to this hypothetical of the guy you whacked and I don't know why you killed him. I'm sure he was a nice guy.
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Ben Ferguson
But we should at the end of the year just come up with all the possible crimes as examples that I have committed in my in the last year on verdict and just turn it into a best of keep going.
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Senator Ted Cruz
So if you're caught on film driving out on a bridge, I need a.
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Ben Ferguson
Legal defense fund now.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And flinging a gun over the bridge, over the bridge, into the water. Now look, that doesn't prove if the gun is never recovered, that it's the murder weapon. But if it's the night of the murder.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And you're doing it really urgently, it's pretty strong circumstantial evidence that you are hiding evidence that, that that demonstrates your guilt. And in fact, you will see in a court of law, if a defendant destroys evidence, a court can instruct the jury to draw a negative inference that that evidence would, would have demonstrated would have been bad for them in this instance. We know that Joe Biden had multiple burner phones. We know that he had multiple fake emails, up to 5,400 of them in the National Archives. We know that he emailed Hunter Biden. We know that he emailed Hunter Biden about Ukraine. And we know also that two senior IRS career employees have come forward as whistleblowers and have said the Biden administration engaged number one in lying to Congress under oath of felony.
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Ben Ferguson
Yep.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And number two, in multiple instances of obstruction of justice. And in particular, it's worth focusing on what was the obstruction of justice. Let's go back to the WhatsApp to the message that, that Hunter said the IRS whistleblowers said they wanted to examine GPS data to determine. Well, when Hunter sent that text, was daddy sitting next to him? There's an answer. It's either yes or no.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
If it's yes, that is not direct evidence that Hunter was telling the truth, but it's pretty strong circumstantial evidence. And according to the IRS whistleblowers, the Biden DOJ said, no, no, no, no, no, you cannot examine the GPS locations. They likewise said, no, you cannot ask anything about Joe. The fact that the Biden Department of Justice is willing to commit felonies, allegedly, according to the whistleblowers.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
In order to prevent investigation into Joe's involvement is powerful evidence of Joe's significant involvement. Because just like throwing the gun off the bridge, you don't do it if you didn't do anything wrong.
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Ben Ferguson
All right, let me ask you this question about this impeachment. Compared to the Trump impeachment, the first impeachment, and if you were the lawyer for Trump, then it was more about defending yourself. A friend of mine, Jay Sekulow, as you know, helped with that first impeachment defend the president. That was more about a vigorous defense of the absurdity of what they were charging Donald Trump with. This is obviously completely different than that. This is a 180 from that. We knew that Russian collusion was crap. They knew it was crap. They knew how to defend it and they defended him, I think, pretty well. This impeachment. If you were defending Joe Biden from a legal standpoint, what are your biggest concerns? If you're having to meet with Joe Biden and what are your biggest concerns for his presidency? If you're meeting with Joe Biden from a legal standpoint that could come out in this impeachment that maybe has never been, you know, has come out either a before you haven't had at least.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Answer questions for your biggest concern is, is all the evidence against you, the direct evidence, the evidence that you basically admitted to one of the elements of bribery, the evidence, the text message that your son has been caught shaking down Chinese Communist officials for millions of dollars and explicitly threatening that you're the one who would engage in retaliation that has tied you into it. That direct evidence is certainly troubling. But. But all the circumstantial evidence would, would trouble you as well. And look, here's what the Biden White House is going to do. They're going to count on the corporate media to ignore that. They're going to count on the corporate media to echo their talking points and.
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Ben Ferguson
Not cover it like they did the Trump impeachment.
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Senator Ted Cruz
It's to, to completely, completely ignore it and refuse to address the facts. And every day you will see a night and day difference, not just between the Joe Biden impeachment and the Trump impeachments. But between the Joe Biden impeachment and the ridiculous Trump indictments, there is a world of difference. And we've discussed at great length on this podcast the Trump indictments, which are political and partisan. In this instance, the evidence of actual bribery by the President of the United States is serious and severe. And there's not a single Democrat who is willing to address the merits. They're counting on the press just to take their blanket dismissals.
- [27:13]
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Senator Ted Cruz
Well, Merrick Garland is expected to testify before the House Judiciary Committee in the coming days and he will certainly face significant questions about the allegations that he personally lied under oath and committed a felony. Now, I assume he'll dodge all of them and defiantly and arrogantly refuse to engage in the substance I also assume he will get questions about the allegations of obstruction of justice. And I expect Merrick Garland to not be remotely forthcoming. I think at some point, you will see David Weiss called before Congress to testify. David Weiss has been directly implicated in the obstruction of justice, which is, I believe, why Merrick Garland named him the, quote, special counsel. Because Garland and the Biden DOJ knew they could count on Weiss to protect the big guy, and that's their most important objective. We've talked about how Schwerin, who was the kind of money guy and fixer for Biden, is a very likely witness and could be a very damning witness, and I would anticipate seeing him come, and then we may. Well, I assume Hunter Biden, if he's called to testify, will stonewall. At this point, the legal.
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Ben Ferguson
What does that look like when you say stonewall? Like, is that. Is it a tactic, or are you saying he just won't answer questions?
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Senator Ted Cruz
My assumption is I'll plead the fact fifth.
- [30:14]
Ben Ferguson
Okay, so he just come in and say, I plead the fifth, and that's the end of it.
- [30:17]
Senator Ted Cruz
I assume that's the case. Given the multiple felonies and. And the fact that. That even dad's White House seems to be running away from him. I would be shocked if Hunter Biden said anything else other than on the advice of counsel, I plead the fifth. I will say one other thing, which is this Biden impeachment is demonstrating the utter and complete hypocrisy of congressional Democrats. Let me read what. What Chuck Schumer said this week right after the House announced its impeachment. Schumer said, quote, I think the impeachment inquiry is absurd. The American people want us to do something that will make their lives better, not go off on these chases, witch hunts. So Schumer is literally using Trump's language about witch hunts and just repeating word for word what the defense was. Now, look, I think the Biden impeachments of Trump were witch hunts. Ironically, this is not. This is serious evidence that Congress would be derelict if it didn't investigate. Here, by the way, is a quote from. From Democrat Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut. Quote, this is what banana dictatorships do, is arrest political opponents without any evidence. Now, that's screamingly funny.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Given that the Democrats have arrested their political opponent. Like a banana republic.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
But part of the reasons Democrats can be such total hypocrites is they know the corporate media will never call them out on it, that the corporate media will nod and say, yes, yes, banana republic. Terrible. Terrible, terrible, terrible. No direct evidence. No direct evidence. And if you take nothing else from this podcast today, remember, every time they say the words no direct evidence, they're lying.
- [32:15]
Ben Ferguson
One other thing about this, and this is where people say, okay, we have this thing. It happens. Let's say it is a big deal. Let's say there are some, some, some, you know, minds that the Democrats step on, the White House steps on. We still don't have the votes in the Senate to do anything about it. Right. That's what they're gonna, that's what people that are cynical and frustrated are gonna say about this. So how should we be looking at this impeachment? Is this should, should, should, should people that are listening look at it from a standpoint of, hey, we're getting the truth out there in a very big way about Joe Biden before he's running for reelection. And that can be extremely powerful. And in other words, judgment day may be election day. Or should we look at it and be frustrated and cynical because, like, well, even if we nail this thing in the House, it ain't going to pass the Senate, so he's not going to be impeached and lose his job over this. What mindset, what hat should listeners put on?
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Senator Ted Cruz
So a little bit of both. Listen, the cynicism is not misplaced. Senate Democrats and House Democrats do not care what evidence there is of Joe Biden being corrupt, of his soliciting and receiving bribes from fallen foreign oligarchs. They don't care. Partisan politics trumps everything. To use my hypothetical, if the dead guy had scrawled in blood, Ferguson did it with Joe Biden. Yeah, And Joe Biden walked out covered in his blood. Democrats would be like, nothing to see here.
- [33:40]
Ben Ferguson
Remind people what the makeup of the Senate. Right now.
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Senator Ted Cruz
The makeup of The Senate is. 51 Democrats, 49 Republicans.
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Ben Ferguson
All right, we've heard about some of you maybe becoming independent. We've heard, you know, wishy washy things about Joe Manchin. For example, is there any scenario where the evidence could be so damning on the House side that you could, you could flip two different people's people in the Senate?
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Senator Ted Cruz
It wouldn't matter if you flip two, because you need two thirds. You need 67.
- [34:03]
Ben Ferguson
There you go.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And right now we have zero. Right now we have zero Democrats who, to the best of my knowledge, I'm not aware of a single Democrat who's even asked a skeptical question, who has even said, well, you know, if Biden did in fact solicit and receive bribes from foreign nationals, that would be a problem. No Democrat has even said that. And you contrast this to Richard Nixon. Listen, the reason Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace is Republicans turned on him. They turned on him when the evidence.
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Ben Ferguson
Got over and they had the 2/3.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And I don't believe Democrats would ever, ever, ever turn on Biden because partisanship matters more than anything. But be that as it may, that does not mean that impeachment is a waste of time because it is the only way to put these facts before the American people. In a sane and normal world, the Department of Justice would investigate and prosecute him. We'd get a special counsel who was independent, who was consistent with the DOJ rules, was not an employee of DOJ and actually would investigate and convene a grand jury and potentially prosecute these crimes. The Biden DOJ won't do that because it's the most partisan and political DOJ we've ever seen. But putting these facts before the American people is valuable nonetheless. But to be clear, a critical part of that is what we're doing right now on Verdict, which is the million people who listen to Verdict. All of y'all now have the information. When you go and you're talking to your brother in law, you're talking to your coworker, you're talking to your classmate and they say, well, you know, there's no direct evidence because that's the talking point. They've heard. You now know how to refute that. And that is powerful. That has a multiplier effect. And it's how I believe ultimately you force accountability.
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Ben Ferguson
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Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah, look, that, that, that is conceivable. And there's no doubt that the multiple indictments against Trump have added a lot of points, at least 10 points to his numbers in the primary because Republicans have understandably gotten pissed off that it's obviously a political persecution. So that counsels that the Republican, the Republicans in the House need to proceed carefully. They need to be facts based, they need to be evidence based. They need to not have it appear political. Now, in today's world, there will be people who naturally assume it's political. But, but that, that is certainly a vulnerability to be aware of. Another vulnerability is at some point the Democrats and, or the media might decide that Joe Biden is too wounded and jettison him and try to parachute someone else in. I think that remains a very real risk. We're going to talk about that a lot more on the podcast, but not on this one.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, there was an interesting article this week that mentioned five other names that came out. All of a sudden Joe Biden didn't run. Who's it's going to be? This is how this podcast started. You want to talk about full circle, but now it's times three. Senator, we're gonna keep you updated on this, I can promise you. Don't forget to hit that follow or subscribe or auto download button, depending on which platform you're listening right now. In the days in between, make sure you listen to my podcast, the Ben Ferguson Podcast. I'll keep you updated on the breaking news on in between days. And also our Saturday Potter Weekend review of things you may have missed later in each podcast. We put that together for Saturdays, so make sure you start checking that podcast out as well and we'll see you back here in a couple of days.