Senator Ted Cruz (4:54)

Yeah. And let me explain the day to day, which is I've been in The Senate now 10 years. I have read a lot of classified documents. I've been in a lot of classified briefings. Every single classified document I've ever read for the entire 10 years I've been in the Senate, I've done it all in the same place, which is. There is what's called a skiff, a secure compartmentalized facility. It is underground. It is way, way down in the basement of the Capitol. You go down, you go down, you go down, you go in, you go in these big steel doors. When you go in, it's actually kind of fun because as you're walking to it, the reporters will follow you and they're asking you questions, they're asking you questions. And then you get. When you get to the doors that are the entrance to it, all the reporters have to drop off because they're not allowed in there. You go through a long hallway. It feels kind of like Get Smart. If you remember the opening of Get Smart, you walk through one set of doors, then another set of doors. You walk through a long hallway. The hallway has all these posters on the wall, and they're like World War II era posters of somebody leaked and people died, and their cartoon drawings of people dying because somebody leaked classified information that's covering the walls. As you come in, they ask you for all your electronics. So you give them your cell phone, you give them your AirPods, if you have them. You give them your Fitbit. You give anything that is electronic, you hand it to them, and it stays outside the scif. And so you go into the scif, which is a. There are actually a whole series of. There's a big hearing room in there. There are a couple of conference rooms. There's some smaller rooms that have secure telephones. So if you're having a conversation with the CIA or the FBI or someone that's dealing with classified information, you can do it the secure call there. And then they're just reading rooms where you'll go in and whatever document you've requested, they'll have it there. They hand it to you, and you have to sign out for it. So, you know, you get a particular secure document, you know, proof that Martians are living right now in the Bill Clinton residence. I'm just saying that, hypothetically, that I'm not revealing anything, but they're really, really pretty Martians. You sign out that document, you put your name on it, you put your date, you put the time, you go into the little room, and you sit there and read. And sometimes you read for five minutes. If it's a quick little document, sometimes you'll read for hours. I've sat there and spent a long, long time reading through long, detailed documents. When you're done with it, you walk back up to the front counter, you give them back the Document and they sign it back in. They put the time back back in. And so that every single time I have read a classified document in the United States Senate, that's how I've done it. What I have never done. I've never read a classified document in my office. Why is that? Because my office is not a secure space. It's not a skiff. And so it's not legal to read a classified document in my office. I've never had a classified document in my car. Why? Because it's not a secure place and it's not legal. I've never had a classified document in my home in Houston. I've never had a classified document in my apartment in D.C. again, because it's not a secure space.

Ben Ferguson (7:59)

All right, but hold on. Have you ever had a classified document in your garage next to your car?

Senator Ted Cruz (8:04)

And sadly, I've never had a vintage Corvette. I'm clearly not living a full life. It's. So the fact that it is from his Senate tenure. Now, look, I suppose he might try some defense. So Biden was, for a number of years, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. As chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, you read a fair number of classified documents. Well, you know what? I'm on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I read many of those same documents. You don't take them out of the skiff. I've been on the judiciary committee for 10 years. You don't take classified documents out of the skiff. I've been for. I was for six years on the Senate Armed Services Committee. You don't take classified documents out of the skiff. And so the fact that Biden had numerous classified documents from his Senate tenure at his home in Wilmington, Delaware, means presumably he took them out of the skiff. I don't know if they were in his office. I don't know where they were, but they ended up in his private house unsecured. That's a big deal. And it's a fundamentally different situation than being in the executive branch because I'm not aware of any senator who does that and certainly not any senator who does that legally without knowing that they are breaking the law. You don't take a classified document with you because you know it is a criminal offense to do that.

Ben Ferguson (9:28)

Well, let's talk about one other aspect of this, Senator, that I think a lot of people are asking this question now. It's a theory that I posed to you, I think, what, two weeks ago now? And I said, is this the Democrats offloading their useful idiot in Joe Biden, it's no longer useful because there doesn't seem to be as many on TV now and Democrats out there that are really defending Joe Biden. Or is it just because this is so indefensible?

Senator Ted Cruz (10:00)

So I think some of both. I think this happened just as a mess, just as incompetence on the Biden side. And they kept screwing up. They kept thinking they were done, and then they found another, and then they found another, and then they found another. Now, I do think there are some Democrats that are nervous that he's too old to be president, that they want him to jump from the ticket. I think he's going to jump from the ticket. I've said consistently he will not end up running again in 24. But there are certainly some Democrats and some in the media who are being opportunistic and using this to try to push him out. But let me tell you right now. All right, let's break some news right now. Let me tell you what the next step in this scandal's going to be. The next step in this scandal is going to be okay. If Biden's Senate documents include classified documents outside of classified settings, which is illegal, how many more classified documents are illegally in his Senate papers? And here's where this matters in particular, which is the University of Delaware has more than 1,850 boxes of records from Joe Biden's Senate tenure which he gave to the University of Delaware. Now, the University of Delaware presumably does not have them in a skiff. It does not have them in a secure location. During the 2020 campaign, there was a concerted media effort to try to get access to those documents. In particular, there were allegations of sexual harassment raised against Joe Biden. And and the media wanted to examine the documents on those allegations of sexual harassment. The University of Delaware has said, nope, they're not releasing the documents to anybody until two years after Biden retires from public life. Ben, I am right now calling for the Department of justice, for the FBI to examine all 1850 boxes of those Senate records to see how many additional classified documents are in those records. The answer should be none. But given Biden's pattern, we should have zero reason to have any confidence that there are not multiple classified documents within those 1850 boxes of Senate records.

Ben Ferguson (12:19)

Let's talk about the PR aspect of this as well, Senator, at the White House, because you have two options now. You either have a White House press secretary that's totally incompetent in her job and is sleeping in every day and then going out there and lying to the American people. Or she's being hung out to drive by this administration. So therefore she looks like a complete moron. Now, I say that with this caveat. There was a very interesting conversation on the Five on Fox News Channel.

Senator Ted Cruz (12:51)

Yeah.

Ben Ferguson (12:52)

And I, and I want to play the beginning of this for people because it kind of sets the stage. Listen carefully to this. And again, like we said a moment ago, please hit the share button. Share this podcast with your family and friends. Text it to them with that little forward arrow. Make sure you hit the subscribe or auto download button as well. Again, this is from the five Take.

Dana Perino (13:10)

A listen Contradiction City over Biden's docudrama, the Secret Service is ready to turn over who visited the President's Delaware home if requested by Congress. But wait, the White House said those visitor logs didn't exist.

Senator Ted Cruz (13:25)

Hmm.

Dana Perino (13:25)

Sounds like a good question to ask coringe Jean Pierre, but we all know that's a fool's errand.

Karine Jean-Pierre (13:33)

I already answered your question. Go ahead.

Senator Ted Cruz (13:35)

You really didn't.

Karine Jean-Pierre (13:36)

Well, I, I did.

Senator Ted Cruz (13:37)

No, you didn't.

Karine Jean-Pierre (13:38)

Well, it's your, it's your opinion.

Peter Doocy (13:40)

I'm having a hard time understanding why questions about procedure.

Karine Jean-Pierre (13:44)

And I just said, and I just said to you, the White House Counsel's office will be able to address that.

Peter Doocy (13:49)

Question from this point on, are you not going to be taking questions about the classified? Dr.

Karine Jean-Pierre (13:55)

I have been very clear over and over again. We are going to be prudent again.

Senator Ted Cruz (13:58)

That's where the department of why is it?

Karine Jean-Pierre (14:00)

And let's be clear, it's not your decision to make of what I can or can't answer.

Peter Doocy (14:04)

From here.

Dana Perino (14:05)

Let's be clear. So you can see why the White House reporters have had enough of Jean Pierre. According to a new report, members have grown exasperated and call her briefings a painful waste of time.

Ben Ferguson (14:17)

I mean, Senator, you hear that? And the point that they're making is, is, is she just flat out lying? Is she being left in the dark or is this part of a full blown cover up? You pick.

Senator Ted Cruz (14:27)

Yeah. Well, look, one problem that Karine Jean Pierre has is that she started with very limited credibility. Even prior to this White House scandal, she demonstrated a proclivity to stand and lie at the White House podium over and over and over again. When she stood up and said people aren't just walking across the border, it just doesn't happen. That that wasn't kind of sort of painting outside the lines. It's just a wild, bald faced lie. When 5.3 million people have crossed illegally. To say nobody's doing it is just, it's a laugh line. Now the reporters almost all agree with her ideologically. They're left wing Democrats so they want her to look good. They want Biden to look good. So when she stands there and lies to her, more often than not they take it. But when she's made a practice of lying to them over and over and over again, her credibility is very low. And then you get to this scandal and now this scandal. Look, even though the reporters are partisans, they also, they smell blood in the water. They're sharks. And they're frustrated because what she says now every day is wrong. And either she has no idea what she's talking about or she's actively part of the COVID up because she keeps saying, okay, the search is complete. Next day, oh, nevermind. And then now the search is complete. Oh, never mind. And you know, you know, why is Biden going to the beach house? Oh, no reason. Just. Just thought the beach would be pretty. Not that they're G men raiding the president's house as we speak. And we just don't want to tell you because we're the White House and we lie to the reporters. And the fact that the reporters are turning on her, that's a big deal too. I mean these are people who agree with her and like her and yet their frustration, it, it really, it's a boiling point.

Ben Ferguson (16:17)

It's really a boiling point right now in the White House press room. It's usually just one or two people that are being tough. Right. It Peter Doocy and, and, and that's about it. Who really kind of give her a hard time. The rest just go along with it.

Senator Ted Cruz (16:33)

That's exactly right. And you know the five you were talking about, you know, Dana Perino obviously served as a White House press secretary and I think she has a unique insight.

Ben Ferguson (16:43)

Yeah.

Senator Ted Cruz (16:43)

She mentioned just how spectacularly bad this is and it's worth play. What Dana had to say about this.

Dana Perino (16:50)

Yeah. Has. Has Korean ever reached out to you to say hey, I need some help. You're really good at this.

Peter Doocy (16:58)

No, I. Sure. And look, she's got a lot of friends and supporters. I'm sure she could call any of any member their group, for example, like Jen Psaki. But what the judge just said I think is very, very correct. So Biden and Klain have allowed this woman to go out there. One they either didn't tell her and when she, I believe when she said she didn't know, she found out the same day that the Press corps did. So it looks like she was involved in a cover up if she did know, but she didn't know. So then they're like, oh, wait, so you don't know what you're talking about. So you don't have the confidence of the Chief of staff. And they just sit there and let her twist in the wind every single day. And by the way, where is Kamala Harris? Help a sister out. If I were Kamala Harris, I would go into the Chief of Staff's office, into Biden, and say, tomorrow somebody from the Justice Department is going to help her out and they're going to walk through this timeline or you are ruining her ability to have a command in that room. And when you have White House reporters start to talk to the press about how unhappy they are, very hard to dig out of that. You know those, you know, at a, like a construction site, it'll say 80 days without a safety incident. At the White House, they have zero days of providing inaccurate information. Partly it's her fault and that she has to make sure to protect herself. That's your number one job because it's the only asset that you have. But the President himself and Ron Klain, the chief of staff, owe her the something better than what they have provided because they are making her job so much harder than it needs to be.

Ben Ferguson (18:30)

Yet. Ron Klain, by the way, I got to get to the White House Press Secretary center and get your reaction because it broke also over the weekend that he's going to be leaving the White House. Now, of course, they, they put this out there like, oh, it's just time. He's been there for two years. This is normal cycle here. Do you buy that?

Senator Ted Cruz (18:49)

Look, the house is on fire. And either Ron Klain got fired because he's supposed to prevent this from happening. And by the way, it's not just the existence of the classified documents. If this past couple of weeks is not taught in PR and communication courses, a decade from now, I'll be surprised. Like, the White House could not have handled this worse. And so maybe Ron Klain was fired. We don't know. And one of the things we've learned from the Biden White House, they won't tell us they're not going to be honest and fess up to it. Or alternatively, he sees everything on fire and says, hey, I'm out of here. I'm on to greener pastures. I want to cash out and make some cash one way or the other. The guy who was ostensibly in charge is leaving and I will note, look, in any White House, a White House chief of staff leaving is a big deal. In this White House where Joe Biden is clearly not up to the job and many people have hypothesized that it's been Ron Klain running the White House, well then that's an even bigger deal. And I thought Dana Perino's insight was really powerful because look, you and I have been around the political world a long time, but neither one of us have served as White House press secretary. And I think she quite rightly focused on how even Karine Shapier I do not think is very good. I think she's demonstrated a proclivity towards dishonesty. But what Joe Biden and Ron Klain and the rest of the White House staff are doing to her is fundamentally wrong. They are putting her out on a limb and then sawing the limb off. And they're putting in her position where even to hardcore left wing partisans, it's obvious that she's misleading them either out of ignorance or malice, neither one of which is good.

Ben Ferguson (20:39)

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Senator Ted Cruz (23:52)

Look, I have no idea. But one of the most compelling, if not the most compelling is the University of Delaware which as I says has more than 1,850 boxes from his time in the Senate. That's all in one location. It's all straightforward to search. I believe DOJ needs to search that quickly and I hope the news that you just read indicates they're going to do that. I don't know how many other locations. I don't know if you know. I don't know if there are classified documents at Hunter Biden's residence. Of course we've talked about on this pod how for periods Hunter, Hunter Biden has said his residence was Joe Biden's residence. So he's lived with classified documents. I don't know if there are other places.

Ben Ferguson (24:32)

And there were pictures of him in the Corvette, driving the Corvette with family members that were related to him to the beach. So obviously he had access to that car during the time when apparently these classified documents would have been in that garage.

Senator Ted Cruz (24:49)

So not only were these classified documents presumably in that garage, that was the same time Hunter Biden was negotiating a multimillion dollar deal with the communist government of China. So he was Making millions from an entity that had an acute interest in getting access to classified documents. We need to know what the subject matter of these documents are. We need to know. This scandal takes on a qualitatively different, different shape, different form, different consequences depending on what the subject matter was. And we've heard leaks about how they concerned Iran, how they concerned China, how they concern Ukraine. We need to know the specifics. And I will say this. If there is even one classified document that concerns Burisma and Hunter Biden or concerns the Communist China entities that were negotiating and paying millions to Hunter Biden, this enters the realm of serious criminal activity. We don't know that to be the case, but that is a major escalation. And I think the public deserves to know. And let me say, by the way, you played a minute ago, Karine Jean Pierre's multiple dodges of I'm not answering that. I'm not answering that. Ask doj. DOJ has publicly said, hey, nothing on our end stops the White House from answering questions. So, for example, Karine Jean Pierre was asked, Joe Biden said it was irresponsible, that's the word he used, for Donald Trump to have classified documents in one location at Mar a Lago, at his residence. Was it also irresponsible for Joe Biden to do that? And Karine Jean Pierre refused to answer. She said, nope, you gotta ask doj. And DOJ said, hey, no, no bar on our end to her answering those questions. It's just politics. They didn't say this, this is me now. It's just covering the rear end of the president refusing to answer those questions because the answer is obvious and that's why they're trying to run away from it.

Ben Ferguson (26:59)

Yeah. And for people to understand just now how many documents we're up to, to put in perspective on top of the trove that was unearthed Friday at his house, that now is added to the additional 25 classified documents found by Biden's, quote, personal moving attorneys in the past week at the Penn Biden center and Biden's residence. We also, and this goes back to the, to the, I think the disaster of this from the White House. Biden again stated, Senator, on Thursday, quote, that he had no regrets about mishandling classified materials and claimed there were that. Claimed there was, quote, no there, there, the classified documents, he says they were initially earthed. We've done the unearthed. We've done this the right way. We were fully, quote, cooperating, looking forward to getting this resolved quickly. I think you're going to find that there's nothing there. I have no regrets. He said it again. I'm following what the lawyers have told me they want to do. That's exactly what we're doing. There's no there there. Fast forward. The liberal Washington Post is now reporting that the White House and the DOJ basically had an agreement to cover up and hide President Joe Biden's classified document scandal from the American people until it leaked to the press despite their repeated claims of transparency. And the Washington Post center is who is reporting that the White House, the doj, had an agreement to hide this from the American people.

Senator Ted Cruz (28:30)

Yeah. Look, there's a simple question that is obvious. Why is the Biden DOJ not leaked anything about this investigation? They didn't leak it on November 2, before the election when, when the documents allegedly were first discovered. They didn't leak it in the days and weeks that followed. They haven't leaked the contents of the documents. They haven't spread the documents all over the floor and taken a picture and put it out on the Internet. All of the things they've done to Donald Trump. Their leaks. Look, you would expect their leaks to come from the dnc. You would expect an explicitly partisan organization to put out stories that are harmful to the other party. It is amazing how the Biden DOJ leaks nothing on this because I believe their objective is to protect him politically rather than enforce the law fairly and and directly. As you know, it's why I wrote my last book, Justice Corrupted. The last book I wrote goes into detail about how this Biden Justice Department is the most politicized, is the most partisan Justice Department this country's ever seen, and I think the disparate treatment between raiding Mar a Lago in the bright klieg lights of day versus surreptitiously searching Biden's home and then keeping everything secret. I think the double standard is obvious to anyone watching.

Ben Ferguson (29:56)

It certainly is. Senator, one last question that deals with a different issue. I'm going to throw you a quick curveball. There is a quietly released Energy Department report that now admits it was, quote, a mistake in canceling the Keystone XL pipeline and actually shows the economic benefits of that pipeline. It just seems to have come out two and a half years too late. I love how this quietly gets released by the Energy Department. Welcome to the Captain Obvious Report of the year.

Senator Ted Cruz (30:27)

Well, look, that's true, but I'd actually be happy if any decision maker in the Biden administration learned a lesson from it. If they said, oh, we suddenly realized that hurting us Energy production and boosting the production of our enemies like Russia, like Iran, like Venezuela, is really bad for America. It's bad for the environment. It's bad for our national security. It's bad for jobs. It's just a loser all around. If they actually learned that, I wouldn't care why they learned that, to be honest, I'd celebrate the report. The problem with the report, nobody who has any authority cares what's in that report. They are continuing day after day after day to do everything they can to shut down, to stifle U.S. energy production, to hurt jobs in America, to drive up the cost of gasoline for American families, and bizarrely, to shift more and more production to our enemies like Iran and Russia and Venezuela. It makes no sense. And these ideologues, they don't listen to reason.

Ben Ferguson (31:33)

They never do. They never do. Senator, always a pleasure. Don't forget, if you're listening right now, make sure you hit that subscribe or auto download button so you get our podcast each and every day. With this much breaking news, I would not be surprised if in the days and the weeks ahead, we ended up doing unscheduled bonus episodes of this show.

Senator Ted Cruz (31:53)

All right, Ben. Ben, let's take a raffle. Where are the next documents?

Ben Ferguson (31:57)

What are they? Or when?

Senator Ted Cruz (31:59)

Where. Where are they located?

Ben Ferguson (32:01)

It's. It's got to be. My gut is where they are hanging out right now at their. I would guess at the beach.

Senator Ted Cruz (32:09)

The beach is not a bad call.

Ben Ferguson (32:11)

I mean, maybe he's cleaning house right now. No pun intended, right? If, you know they've nailed you at Delaware, why not go to the beach house and clean that place up? Or sit around all weekend and go through documents.

Senator Ted Cruz (32:23)

So you would certainly think if the FBI raided his Wilmington house, Rehoboth beach would be next. So that's probably the odds are with you. I do not know if he owns any other properties. I cannot imagine why the FBI would not, at this point, search every property he owns. And so we'll see what comes up.

Ben Ferguson (32:50)

You know the one I really wish they'd look at and not because of any of the stuff from the laptop. I just got to think the offices that were shared and the documents that could have been commingled between Jimmy Biden, James Biden, the brother Hunter Biden, and Joe Biden, if they were this careless with classified documents, I think there's got to be a decent chance when they were packing up their joint offices, they could have co mingled documents between Jimmy. I mean, certainly since the Senate years, if we're finding these documents back in the day when he was a senator.

Senator Ted Cruz (33:22)

Well, we shall see. I feel confident these are the not the last classified documents that Biden is going to say. Oops, sorry. Got him again.

Ben Ferguson (33:33)

Yeah, it's my bad. All right, we'll see you guys back here on Wednesday, if not sooner. Have a great couple of days. Center, it's a pleasure. And again, make sure you hit that subscribe download button. Rise to five star review. We'll see you back here on Wednesday morning.