B (4:30)

Well, clearly they don't want people to see it and give a listen. You need to listen to what Kamala Harris, the sitting vice president and someone who, right. Who wants to be president of The United States, what she was happily chanting with the mob on the street.

A (5:07)

I mean, there it is. Up, up with education. Down, down with deportation, saying, we're not deporting anybody. This is what she believes. Believe her when says it.

B (5:17)

Yeah. And when you watch the video, they're all dancing joyously. I mean, it is. These are a bunch of radicals. They support open borders. Kamala Harris is a radical. She supports open borders. She always has. She's always voted for open borders. She's always advocated for open borders. And right now, her strategy is to try to lie to the American people. She is literally right now spending millions of dollars running ads, TV ads, with video of Trump's border wall, something she's opposed from day one. But for the next six weeks on the campaign trail, she's gonna pretend that she's all for securing the border and all for deportation, unless, God forbid, she wins. And then you're gonna discover the open borders we've had in the last four years. They're just getting started, and they're only getting worse.

A (6:08)

Well, and you talk about just a straight up lying. You know, her new ad shows Trump's wall, which she said was inhumane, and that down and never allow and it should never be allowed to be built. Now, apparently she's in favor of it, but she's obviously not. She's just trying to buy votes because she understands it's a liability what's going on at the. At the southern border right now and how every city in America has become a border city and every liberal city that was a sanctuary city has now turned into a total disaster. And then you see this video come back out or this video come back up that they were, I guess, trying to hide, because it's not popular right now. And you know what she believes, Senator? Like, it's very clear she wants to flood the border with illegal immigrants if she is. If she is elected president. And this also comes as a new report has come out talking about how Mexico has launched a massive operation through which migrants are intercepted and apprehended in northern states, brought to the corner of the country furthest from the US Border, then processed and released. As the Washington Post summarized it, quote, aided by the military, agents added checkpoints on the highways and ramped up searches of trains and buses. In the first half of 2024, Mexico logged 712,000 apprehensions, nearly triple the number in the same period last year. And what we're being told now is this all came out of the deal with Biden and Harris when they had that meeting with the leadership in Mexico, like, hey, right before election day, we need the number of border crossings to drop. Can you guys help us out? And now we know the plan is actually working very well in Mexico.

B (7:47)

Well, and listen, there is a reason that the left is not upset with Kamala, because they know this is who she is. They know this is what she believes. She's been the border czar for four years. If she's president, the open borders get worse. The 11 and a half million illegal aliens becomes 20 million, becomes 30 million. That is their plan to fundamentally change the American electorate. They view all of them as future Democrat voters, some voting illegally immediately and some voting when Democrats seize control and give them amnesty. That is their plan. And nobody. You know, the radicals who were dancing in the street with Kamala chanting, down with deportation. They're not upset with Kamala's ads with the border wall. Why is that? Because they know she's lying. They're perfectly happy for her to lie to the voters. And they think the voters are gullible enough that they'll be like, oh, oh, she agrees with me on border security. I gotta say, I don't think the American people are nearly as gullible as Democrats think they are.

A (8:50)

You look at the headline, and it says, Mexico goes into overdrive to help Biden Harris administration slow illegal immigration before election day. So it's all a poi. This is all being done clearly on purpose. They're saying today the illegal border crossings are now over 3500 for the day. That's down, and they're going to campaign on this. Do you really believe that this is going to work with the American people?

B (9:18)

I don't. But I got to say, the president of Mexico is not the only foreign leader who is trying to influence this election and wants Kamala Harris elected president. President Zelensky is in the United States, and he's effectively campaigning for Kamala. This is a story, as I said at the outset, that just shocks me. I've never seen this happen where a foreign leader comes. He went to Pennsylvania, the biggest swing state in the country. He went to an ammunition factory. He arrived on an Air Force jet, presumably paid for by the taxpayers. And. And. And he does this whole interview in the New Yorker where he slams Donald Trump and he slams J.D. vance. He says in the interview that Trump, quote, doesn't really know how to stop the war, even if he might think he knows how. And. And. And then on Vance, he attacks Vance directly and says Vance is, quote, too radical. Now, I gotta Say, who the hell is Zelensky to be trying to interfere in our election? The arrogance of this guy. And you know what? In, in, in the Congress, this guy has gotten Republican support for military aid. You, you wanna find a way for that to disappear. This is an awfully good way to do it. And the guy, I've gotta say, is an absolute moron for coming to the US six weeks before the election and attacking Trump and Vance. I don't care if Zelensky likes or dislikes what they have to say. He is, if he had the, the, the, the sense God gave a cricket, he would have said on that question, you know what? I'm not going to comment about US elections. That's for the people of America to decide. That would have been smart. But you know what? Kamala Harris is perfectly happy to use this guy as essentially a campaign prop. And as I said, it is absolutely infuriating.

A (11:30)

Yeah, you look at what he was here for and it was to get a check. And that's the part I think people need to understand. And it wasn't just to get a check. It was also to. They described it as a victory plan, quote unquote, that he was going to lay out to President Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. They also said he was going to show it to Trump, which made me laugh. This is a two and a half years of war with Russia and now they've come up with a victory plan. It look, he knows if he wants unlimited cash, then, then, then Biden and Harris are the team. And that means Harris now is the team because they will write him a check whenever he needs it. And there they will continue this for apparently another two and a half years or another five years, whatever it is. But when he comes here on our dollar, how is this not an in kind donation? I mean, it used to be that when I was on campaigns, they would spend hours with US Senator going over campaign finance rules and laws so that none of us ever made a mistake. And it was not a joke. Like they took real time of like the do's and don'ts and certain things that you can and cannot do. This dude's flying over here, taxpayers are paying for it. He's on a big, I mean a big jet. He lands in a swing state, he gets off the plane, he does the interview. This is, this is obviously a campaign contribution to the Harris campaign. And no one bats an eye that the taxpayers are paying for this propaganda.

B (12:59)

So Ben, you're saying they didn't pick Pennsylvania at random? It wasn't just, oh, let's throw a dart at the map and see where it hits. The fact that it's the most critical swing state in the entire country was a factor in why Kamala Harris wanted him in Pennsylvania.

A (13:15)

Yeah, for sure. I mean, to put it mildly, pretty obvious.

B (13:21)

And listen, to combine that ostensibly what he said, he was there as he was thanking the ammunition plant because they were making the ammunition that's being sent to Ukraine. Doing that, I think is unacceptable. But combining it with explicitly attacking both Donald Trump and J.D. vance is incredibly foolish. And let's be clear. Look, look, if you look at the polling, I don't know what the odds are that Trump wins. I certainly hope and pray he wins. But the odds are significant, whatever they are. Neither of us know what the odds are sitting here today. Zelensky th this is just dumb on his part because if Trump wins, he's got a huge problem that just got bigger. And if Trump loses, you know, good luck trying to get Republicans to listen to what he has to say. If he, he just behaves like a Democrat campaign activist.

A (14:27)

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B (16:46)

Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And I'll tell you, an additional point that was made by Donald Trump Jr. On Twitter, I think is really quite significant. So, so Trump Jr. Tweeted. So a foreign leader who has received billions of dollars in funding from American taxpayers comes to our country and has the nerve to attack the GOP ticket for president. And he does this right after a pro Ukraine zealot tried to assassinate my father. Disgraceful. And, and, and, and that's a point. Look, this, this, this lunatic who, who, who camped out on the golf course and was there to assassinate President Trump. The facts that have come out on him as he, he was truly a pro Ukraine zealot. So much so that he flew over there and was trying to enlist to fight with the Ukrainians. And he was such a kook. The Ukrainians said, we don't want you. But, but that, that really does add insult to injury.

A (17:44)

It does. And it also, I think, tells you just how tone deaf they are. Or maybe they just don't care at all. I, I'm not sure that they care at all.

B (17:54)

Look, I, I think, I, I don't know, but I think it was remarkably foolish. And, and, and, you know, look, I, I normally try to give some, some grace and leniency to, to a leader in wartime. I mean, he's fighting for his country. I understand what he's doing. This was foolish. I still want Russia to lose. But, but I think what Zelensky did today was one of the greatest unforced errors I've seen a foreign leader do. I've never seen this happen in my entire life. And I think it really was a bad, bad mistake by Zelinsky.

A (18:32)

Yeah, I agree. And it could. And again, if you're going all in because, you know, you get unlimited funds and you came over here for a check, and every time you show up, America writes you that he's probably just looking at the politics going, hey, this is my meal ticket. Harris is the meal ticket. Let's go help her win reelection or get elected, I should say. And then I get the funds flowing for another four years. And they obviously made that calculated decision. I agree with you. I think it was really, really foolish. I want to move on also to something else that you mentioned earlier, and it's happened today, set the stage for everybody in Congress and explain exactly what was going on. And it dealt with presidential immunity.

B (19:16)

Well, Senate Democrats for two years have been engaged in a relentless assault on the Supreme Court and trying to undermine the Supreme Court. And so today, the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the Supreme Court's decision on presidential immunity. And the whole purpose of the hearing was to say that the Supreme Court decision is ridiculous, that it's out of bounds, that it basically said Trump is a king, that he's unaccountable, some bizarre decision. And they're trying both to attack Trump and to delegitimize the Supreme Court. And so among the witnesses testifying was Michael Mukasey, who was the former Attorney General of the United States under George W. Bush, and he was a federal judge for nearly 20 years before that. And he was one of the witnesses. And so I took the opportunity to actually question the former attorney general and to lay out the utterly false narrative the Democrats were putting forward. Give a listen to my questioning of Attorney General Mukasey.

C (20:21)

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The nub of the Democrats argument today is that the concept of presidential immunity is somehow unprecedented, is somehow remarkable. That claim is utterly ahistorical and disconnected from the entire constitutional history of the Republic. General Mukasey, before 2023, how many times has the President of the United States been indicted?

D (20:45)

None.

C (20:47)

Before 2023, how many times has a former president of the United States been indicted?

D (20:51)

None.

C (20:52)

In the last two years, how many times has President Donald J. Trump been indicted?

D (20:57)

Four times, I believe.

C (20:59)

Now, many presidents of both parties have engaged in controversial actions, and yet none of them have been indicted. Let me ask you, General, if a private citizen were to erect an internment camp and to forcibly kidnap American citizens, to single them out because of race and to imprison them based on their race, would that private citizen be subject to criminal prosecution? Would when President Franklin Delano Roosevelt did the exact same thing and erected Japanese internment camps, was FDR prosecuted?

D (21:35)

He was not.

C (21:37)

Let me ask you, similarly, if a private citizen were, say, to detonate a nuclear weapon over a city and kill over 140,000 people, and then if that private citizen, a few days later detonated Another nuclear bomb over another city and killed 75,000 people. Could that private citizen be criminally prosecuted?

D (21:59)

He would.

C (22:01)

Was President Harry Truman prosecuted for detonating nuclear weapons over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? All right, how about this. If a private citizen launched a weaponized drone and killed a United States citizen, could that private citizen be criminally prosecuted?

D (22:20)

He would.

C (22:22)

Was President Barack Obama criminally prosecuted when he killed United States citizens using drones without notice and without due process?

D (22:32)

He was not. Although as far as due process is concerned, I believe the comment of my. Of my successor to that question was that Anwar al Awlaki got, quote, all the process that was necessary.

C (22:45)

Well, although I suspect he might disagree with that assessment were he able to. To present his case.

D (22:50)

Right.

C (22:53)

All right, let's contrast that with the rules that govern other federal officials. You were a judge for 19 years. As a federal judge, did you have immunity from your official acts?

D (23:09)

My official act, yes.

C (23:11)

Do federal prosecutors have immunity from their official acts?

D (23:15)

They do.

C (23:16)

Now, the distinction between official acts and personal acts is not a terribly shocking distinction. Under the decision of Trump versus United States, if any president walks onto the. Walks onto the sidewalk and just shoots a citizen, is that president liable to be prosecuted?

D (23:34)

He is.

C (23:36)

How about this? If a president steals funds from his campaign, does that president face criminal liability?

D (23:43)

He does.

C (23:45)

How about this? If a president sexually assaults, let's say, an intern in the Oval Office, is the president subject to criminal prosecution for that?

D (23:56)

He could be.

C (23:58)

So that distinction, again, is not a shocking distinction. The Founding Fathers vested the executive power in a single president of the United States. What we have seen in the last two years is we have seen Democrats deliberately weaponizing the Department of Justice and our legal system to target their political opposition. It is not an accident that every indictment against President Trump was brought by a Democrat and was brought after he announced his campaign for President of the United States. Understand, the target of those indictments was not ultimately President Trump. It was the voters. It was prosecutors who were terrified that the voters would choose to reelect President Trump. One of the great things about the United States is we're not a banana Republic. Since 2000, the nation of Pakistan has had six former prime ministers prosecuted and convicted. Brazil has had three former presidents arrested and imprisoned. Last year, Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega arrested, charged and imprisoned 40 political opponents. General Mukase, you are Attorney General of the United States. It is. Is it the proper role of the Department of Justice to prosecute and target the political opponents of whoever happens to be president, the United States?

D (25:25)

It is most assuredly not.

C (25:27)

Thank You.

A (25:28)

He says it most certainly is not. But the reality is Donald Trump keeps getting attacked by the left and they keep trying to lock up their political opponents.

B (25:39)

Yeah, no, that's exactly what they're doing. And their claim that the ruling that a president can't be criminally prosecuted for his official acts is contrary to the law. It's why I use the examples I used. It's why I use, look, the Japanese internment camps. Presidents can do a lot of things in exercising their official power that ordinary citizens cannot. And we would want our commander in chief. Our commander in chief can send our troops into combat, can use lethal force, and they do regularly. And so the Supreme Court naturally said, well, we don't want a situation where each new president who comes in, the first order of business is let's criminally prosecute the last guy for the things he did as president. That I disagreed with. And so, you know, the hearing was really a dog and pony show by the Democrats to mischaracterize the Supreme Court decision. So I thought it was important to explain the actual law in the real context.

A (26:42)

Let me, let me ask you another question about this. Will there be a correction? I mean, if Donald Trump is the president, next time, will there be a correction? Or once the cat's out of the bag, is there any way of getting it back to where we were before, as you described it, 2023?

B (27:01)

I don't know. I certainly hope we are not in a world where we are a banana republic, where it is routine to prosecute your predecessors. I don't know. But I do think the Democrats have gone down a road that it's very hard to turn around and come back from.

A (27:19)

Yeah, it is going to be very, very tough, to put it mildly, to turn this thing around. And I think once they realize they can do this, I don't see Democrats being responsible moving forward with it. That's my biggest. Is there anything we can do to protect former presidents, or does something need to change with the law?

B (27:38)

Look, the biggest thing we can and should do is reelect Donald Trump as president. Elections have consequences. We're six weeks away from Election Day. The outcome of this election matters immensely.

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B (30:12)

And Ben, eat some chicken soup, get some rest and we'll be back in two days.

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