The 500 with Josh Adam Meyers

Episode 131: Black Sabbath - Paranoid (feat. Jim Norton)
December 3, 2025

Overview

In this episode, host Josh Adam Meyers is joined by comedian and devoted Black Sabbath fan Jim Norton for a deep dive into one of metal’s most influential records: Black Sabbath’s 1970 classic, Paranoid, which sits at #131 on Rolling Stone’s 500 Greatest Albums list. The show is both a tribute to Ozzy Osbourne (whose birthday coincides with the episode release) and Sabbath’s lasting impact on heavy music, featuring roundtable drop-ins from legendary comedians and musicians like Jim Florentine, Tom Morello, and Joey Diaz. The conversation blends personal stories, fan obsessions, and detailed breakdowns of the album’s cultural significance, all with the biting humor and real talk these guests are known for.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Weight and Impact of "Paranoid" in Metal History

• Jim Florentine (07:11): Kicks off with reverence for the "1927 Yankees" lineup of tracks:

  “You open the album with War Pigs. Are you kidding me? Then you follow up with Paranoid, then Planet Caravan, Iron Man... That’s like the 1927 Yankees lineup. How great that is.”
  (07:18)

• "Paranoid" as the most hit-laden Black Sabbath album. Florentine parallels it to Nirvana’s Nevermind and Metallica's Black Album for its deep bench of genre-defining tracks.

Notable Fact:

• The title track (“Paranoid”) was a last-minute “throwaway” song, reportedly written in under an hour just to fill out the album. It became their signature hit.

  “It’s just a masterpiece … You put this album on from beginning to end, and it’s mind-blowing. It still sounds fresh today.” (11:11 – Florentine)

2. The Enduring Legacy of Ozzy Osbourne

• Josh reflects on Ozzy’s transformation from wild icon to pop culture figure to immortal legend after his passing.
• Jim Norton:

  “Florentine and I went to see Sabbath in Birmingham. I’m so glad we did that.” (13:45)
  Norton details their pilgrimage to Sabbath’s hometown and the bittersweet experience witnessing one of Ozzy’s last performances.

3. Pilgrimages & Personal Stories

• Norton and Florentine’s journey to the “Black Sabbath house” in Birmingham just before the historic final gig, sneaking onto the property for photos:

  “It was empty… the gate opened and a car drove through, so we went in and walked right up to the house… It was crazy to get that close.” (15:05—Norton)

• The reverence from fellow musicians—James Hetfield (Metallica) expresses joy at seeing Norton and Florentine’s pilgrimage.

4. The Birmingham Farewell Show and Ozzy’s Final Bow

• The “send-off” festival featured a who’s-who of rock royalty performing Sabbath and Ozzy tracks: Metallica (“Johnny Blade”), Guns N’ Roses, Tool, Maynard & Adam, and Youngblood (“Changes”—the viral favorite).
• The emotional weight of the show was palpable:

  “I was happy for Bill Ward, Tony, and Geezer… even though it was only a five-song set… just seeing all four of them on stage, one more time. I didn’t care if they just sat and talked.” (31:57—Norton)

• The energy was celebratory but tinged with melancholy, as everyone knew this was the end of an era and, tragically, that Ozzy would pass away two weeks later.

5. Musicians on "Paranoid": Love and Influence

• Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine):

  “Heavy metal music is the music that made me love music. And Black Sabbath invented that. Paranoid… was an epiphany and it swept everything away. A new genre was born that was better than what came before… I wouldn’t have written any of my riffs without it.” (58:59 – 59:33)

• Joey Diaz:

  “Black Sabbath are the kings and Ozzy Osbourne is the real master. Reality.” (111:37)

6. Black Sabbath’s Unique Darkness and Authenticity

• Jim Norton on what made Sabbath and Ozzy special:

  “They went out there like ‘this is our darkness, deal with it.’ … There was something about Ozzy being imperfect, flawed, but honest… that made fans connect to him.” (84:27 – 85:38)

• Sabbath weren’t devil-worshippers but leaned into misunderstood, dark themes, helping invent the “metal” feel.

7. Album Deep Dive – Tracks and Themes

"War Pigs"

• Iconic anti-establishment opener—buzzing air-raid sirens, heavy critique of politicians.
• Josh: “One of my favorite rock songs of all time.” (44:48)
• Jim: “I never felt they were preaching—Geezer wrote most lyrics, but the songs let you feel how you want.” (47:00 – 48:26)

"Paranoid"

• Accidental hit, written last-minute.
• Misheard lyrics controversy:

  “A reporter asked, ‘don’t you say end your life?’ Ozzy was like ‘No, I tell you to enjoy life!’” (65:24)

"Planet Caravan"

• Dreamy, mellow deviation from Sabbath’s norm; covered by Pantera.
• “Beautiful… it’s floating, otherworldly.” (68:34 – Myers/Norton)

"Iron Man"

• Instantly recognizable riff, often the first Sabbath song for new listeners.
• Originally titled “Iron Bloke.”

  “Way deeper than just the riff—tales of time-travel and ignored warnings.” (71:33)

"Electric Funeral"

• A favorite deep cut—nuclear apocalypse, radiation, doom.
• Jim: “Best song on the record, wish it got more attention.” (40:16)

"Hand of Doom" / "Rat Salad" / "Fairies Wear Boots"

• “Hand of Doom”—heroin addiction and Vietnam; dark, observational writing with no moralizing.
• “Rat Salad”—percussion-centric jam, “palette cleanser.”
• “Fairies Wear Boots”—Sabbath mythology; allegedly about brawling with skinheads.

8. Discussion on Hits vs. Deep Cuts

• Both hosts agree: as superfans, they often skip the biggest hits (War Pigs, Paranoid, Iron Man) due to overexposure, seeking out deep cuts at live shows.
• Praise for bands (e.g., Pearl Jam, Metallica) that mix up setlists for the diehards.

9. Ozzy’s Late-Career Health and Performance

• Backstage details on Ozzy preparing for his final show:

  “He would spray [his throat] in between every song… all to get him to that point—it was so much work… but he loves to perform.” (53:50–54:40)

• Norton expresses empathy for aging rockers:

  “I have a lot of tolerance for singers who don’t sound like they used to. I kind of prefer that.” (61:17 – Jim)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the influence of Sabbath's sound:

  “What Ozzie, Bill, Geezer, and Tony did to heavy metal… you hear it in all the grunge, in all the music today.”
  (11:37 – Jim Florentine)

• On Ozzy’s personal connection to fans:

  “No one was better at talking to the audience and screaming at the audience and engaging with the audience.”
  (85:38 – Jim Norton)

• On the band's authenticity:

  “There was nobody like them, no sound like them ... They went out there: ‘this is our darkness—deal with it.’”
  (57:22 – Unknown Caller)

• Tom Morello sums up "Paranoid"’s world-flipping force:

  “It swept everything before it out of the way.”
  (59:15 – Morello)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• 07:11 – Jim Florentine on why “Paranoid” is “THE” heavy metal album
• 13:45 – Jim & Florentine’s Birmingham pilgrimage for Sabbath’s final gig
• 17:48–19:02 – Discussion of tribute performances at the farewell show
• 31:57 – The emotion of Sabbath’s last concert with Ozzy, Bill, Geezer, and Tony
• 40:16–43:29 – Deep dive on album tracks and the fan’s yearning for rarities
• 53:36–54:40 – Ozzy's backstage preparation and health at the last show
• 58:59 – Tom Morello and Joey Diaz tributes
• 65:00–71:36 – Song-by-song breakdowns of “Paranoid,” “Iron Man,” and “Electric Funeral”
• 74:30–76:26 – Survivalist humor: "Jim Norton in the Apocalypse"
• 84:27–85:38 – Why Sabbath & Ozzy matter: darkness, authenticity, the true “voice of the people”
• 104:39 – Final quickfire questions: favorite tracks, order of Sabbath albums, “no-skip” status
• 106:16 – Jim’s mission statement: “This is the record that gets non-Sabbath fans to become Sabbath fans.”
• 111:10 – Joey Diaz on why Sabbath & Ozzy were his world as a kid

Album Takeaways & Closing Thoughts

• Cultural Impact: “Paranoid” isn’t just a genre classic—it invented the sound and ethos of heavy metal, influencing artists from grunge to modern metal.
• The Hits & the Deep Cuts: While anchored by genre-shaping anthems, the album’s moodier, darker tracks like “Electric Funeral” and “Hand of Doom” are critical to its staying power and to why diehard fans return year after year.
• Legacy of Ozzy and Sabbath: The band’s working-class authenticity, flawed genius, and embrace of the dark set them apart and made them relatable.
• For Newcomers:

  “This is the record that gets non-Sabbath fans to become Sabbath fans.” (106:16 – Jim Norton)

• Final Sentiment: Through laughter, reverence, and raw honesty, Meyers and Norton give Paranoid, and Ozzy Osbourne, a sendoff worthy of their titanic impact on music history.

Further Listening:

• Next up: Television: Marquee Moon
• Jim Norton's special "Unconscious Conceivable" is available online and he's touring—see jimnorton.com.
• Podcast archives & bonus content on Patreon.

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