131 - Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Jim Norton

Summary

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The 500 with Josh Adam Meyers

Episode 131: Black Sabbath - Paranoid (feat. Jim Norton)
December 3, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, host Josh Adam Meyers is joined by comedian and devoted Black Sabbath fan Jim Norton for a deep dive into one of metal’s most influential records: Black Sabbath’s 1970 classic, Paranoid, which sits at #131 on Rolling Stone’s 500 Greatest Albums list. The show is both a tribute to Ozzy Osbourne (whose birthday coincides with the episode release) and Sabbath’s lasting impact on heavy music, featuring roundtable drop-ins from legendary comedians and musicians like Jim Florentine, Tom Morello, and Joey Diaz. The conversation blends personal stories, fan obsessions, and detailed breakdowns of the album’s cultural significance, all with the biting humor and real talk these guests are known for.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Weight and Impact of "Paranoid" in Metal History

• Jim Florentine (07:11): Kicks off with reverence for the "1927 Yankees" lineup of tracks:

  “You open the album with War Pigs. Are you kidding me? Then you follow up with Paranoid, then Planet Caravan, Iron Man... That’s like the 1927 Yankees lineup. How great that is.”
  (07:18)

• "Paranoid" as the most hit-laden Black Sabbath album. Florentine parallels it to Nirvana’s Nevermind and Metallica's Black Album for its deep bench of genre-defining tracks.

Notable Fact:

• The title track (“Paranoid”) was a last-minute “throwaway” song, reportedly written in under an hour just to fill out the album. It became their signature hit.

  “It’s just a masterpiece … You put this album on from beginning to end, and it’s mind-blowing. It still sounds fresh today.” (11:11 – Florentine)

2. The Enduring Legacy of Ozzy Osbourne

• Josh reflects on Ozzy’s transformation from wild icon to pop culture figure to immortal legend after his passing.
• Jim Norton:

  “Florentine and I went to see Sabbath in Birmingham. I’m so glad we did that.” (13:45)
  Norton details their pilgrimage to Sabbath’s hometown and the bittersweet experience witnessing one of Ozzy’s last performances.

3. Pilgrimages & Personal Stories

• Norton and Florentine’s journey to the “Black Sabbath house” in Birmingham just before the historic final gig, sneaking onto the property for photos:

  “It was empty… the gate opened and a car drove through, so we went in and walked right up to the house… It was crazy to get that close.” (15:05—Norton)

• The reverence from fellow musicians—James Hetfield (Metallica) expresses joy at seeing Norton and Florentine’s pilgrimage.

4. The Birmingham Farewell Show and Ozzy’s Final Bow

• The “send-off” festival featured a who’s-who of rock royalty performing Sabbath and Ozzy tracks: Metallica (“Johnny Blade”), Guns N’ Roses, Tool, Maynard & Adam, and Youngblood (“Changes”—the viral favorite).
• The emotional weight of the show was palpable:

  “I was happy for Bill Ward, Tony, and Geezer… even though it was only a five-song set… just seeing all four of them on stage, one more time. I didn’t care if they just sat and talked.” (31:57—Norton)

• The energy was celebratory but tinged with melancholy, as everyone knew this was the end of an era and, tragically, that Ozzy would pass away two weeks later.

5. Musicians on "Paranoid": Love and Influence

• Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine):

  “Heavy metal music is the music that made me love music. And Black Sabbath invented that. Paranoid… was an epiphany and it swept everything away. A new genre was born that was better than what came before… I wouldn’t have written any of my riffs without it.” (58:59 – 59:33)

• Joey Diaz:

  “Black Sabbath are the kings and Ozzy Osbourne is the real master. Reality.” (111:37)

6. Black Sabbath’s Unique Darkness and Authenticity

• Jim Norton on what made Sabbath and Ozzy special:

  “They went out there like ‘this is our darkness, deal with it.’ … There was something about Ozzy being imperfect, flawed, but honest… that made fans connect to him.” (84:27 – 85:38)

• Sabbath weren’t devil-worshippers but leaned into misunderstood, dark themes, helping invent the “metal” feel.

7. Album Deep Dive – Tracks and Themes

"War Pigs"

• Iconic anti-establishment opener—buzzing air-raid sirens, heavy critique of politicians.
• Josh: “One of my favorite rock songs of all time.” (44:48)
• Jim: “I never felt they were preaching—Geezer wrote most lyrics, but the songs let you feel how you want.” (47:00 – 48:26)

"Paranoid"

• Accidental hit, written last-minute.
• Misheard lyrics controversy:

  “A reporter asked, ‘don’t you say end your life?’ Ozzy was like ‘No, I tell you to enjoy life!’” (65:24)

"Planet Caravan"

• Dreamy, mellow deviation from Sabbath’s norm; covered by Pantera.
• “Beautiful… it’s floating, otherworldly.” (68:34 – Myers/Norton)

"Iron Man"

• Instantly recognizable riff, often the first Sabbath song for new listeners.
• Originally titled “Iron Bloke.”

  “Way deeper than just the riff—tales of time-travel and ignored warnings.” (71:33)

"Electric Funeral"

• A favorite deep cut—nuclear apocalypse, radiation, doom.
• Jim: “Best song on the record, wish it got more attention.” (40:16)

"Hand of Doom" / "Rat Salad" / "Fairies Wear Boots"

• “Hand of Doom”—heroin addiction and Vietnam; dark, observational writing with no moralizing.
• “Rat Salad”—percussion-centric jam, “palette cleanser.”
• “Fairies Wear Boots”—Sabbath mythology; allegedly about brawling with skinheads.

8. Discussion on Hits vs. Deep Cuts

• Both hosts agree: as superfans, they often skip the biggest hits (War Pigs, Paranoid, Iron Man) due to overexposure, seeking out deep cuts at live shows.
• Praise for bands (e.g., Pearl Jam, Metallica) that mix up setlists for the diehards.

9. Ozzy’s Late-Career Health and Performance

• Backstage details on Ozzy preparing for his final show:

  “He would spray [his throat] in between every song… all to get him to that point—it was so much work… but he loves to perform.” (53:50–54:40)

• Norton expresses empathy for aging rockers:

  “I have a lot of tolerance for singers who don’t sound like they used to. I kind of prefer that.” (61:17 – Jim)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the influence of Sabbath's sound:

  “What Ozzie, Bill, Geezer, and Tony did to heavy metal… you hear it in all the grunge, in all the music today.”
  (11:37 – Jim Florentine)

• On Ozzy’s personal connection to fans:

  “No one was better at talking to the audience and screaming at the audience and engaging with the audience.”
  (85:38 – Jim Norton)

• On the band's authenticity:

  “There was nobody like them, no sound like them ... They went out there: ‘this is our darkness—deal with it.’”
  (57:22 – Unknown Caller)

• Tom Morello sums up "Paranoid"’s world-flipping force:

  “It swept everything before it out of the way.”
  (59:15 – Morello)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 07:11 – Jim Florentine on why “Paranoid” is “THE” heavy metal album
• 13:45 – Jim & Florentine’s Birmingham pilgrimage for Sabbath’s final gig
• 17:48–19:02 – Discussion of tribute performances at the farewell show
• 31:57 – The emotion of Sabbath’s last concert with Ozzy, Bill, Geezer, and Tony
• 40:16–43:29 – Deep dive on album tracks and the fan’s yearning for rarities
• 53:36–54:40 – Ozzy's backstage preparation and health at the last show
• 58:59 – Tom Morello and Joey Diaz tributes
• 65:00–71:36 – Song-by-song breakdowns of “Paranoid,” “Iron Man,” and “Electric Funeral”
• 74:30–76:26 – Survivalist humor: "Jim Norton in the Apocalypse"
• 84:27–85:38 – Why Sabbath & Ozzy matter: darkness, authenticity, the true “voice of the people”
• 104:39 – Final quickfire questions: favorite tracks, order of Sabbath albums, “no-skip” status
• 106:16 – Jim’s mission statement: “This is the record that gets non-Sabbath fans to become Sabbath fans.”
• 111:10 – Joey Diaz on why Sabbath & Ozzy were his world as a kid

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Album Takeaways & Closing Thoughts

• Cultural Impact: “Paranoid” isn’t just a genre classic—it invented the sound and ethos of heavy metal, influencing artists from grunge to modern metal.
• The Hits & the Deep Cuts: While anchored by genre-shaping anthems, the album’s moodier, darker tracks like “Electric Funeral” and “Hand of Doom” are critical to its staying power and to why diehard fans return year after year.
• Legacy of Ozzy and Sabbath: The band’s working-class authenticity, flawed genius, and embrace of the dark set them apart and made them relatable.
• For Newcomers:

  “This is the record that gets non-Sabbath fans to become Sabbath fans.” (106:16 – Jim Norton)

• Final Sentiment: Through laughter, reverence, and raw honesty, Meyers and Norton give Paranoid, and Ozzy Osbourne, a sendoff worthy of their titanic impact on music history.

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Further Listening:

• Next up: Television: Marquee Moon
• Jim Norton's special "Unconscious Conceivable" is available online and he's touring—see jimnorton.com.
• Podcast archives & bonus content on Patreon.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

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That is one of the most famous riffs of all time. It's Iron Man. It's by Black Sabbath. It's from 1970 from the album Paranoid. Why am I talking like this? The album is number 131 out of 500 of the 500. What's up everybody? I am your host, Josh Adam Myers. I'm a comedian and I'm going through Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums. The 2012 edition. They updated it in 2020. Who gives a Happy Birthday, Ozzy Osbourne. Today is Ozzy Osbourne's birthday and what a cool thing to do. And then release this episode with the trifecta dude. The one and only Jim Norton coming on the the man of Mans, Mr. Monster Rain himself. Mr. The Geezer Butler of Comedy. This is A good one. Before we get into all that, let me tell you what's going on this weekend. I am at Duckworth's in North Carolina. Charlotte, to be exact. Thursday through Saturday. Next weekend, I'll be at the Celebrity Theater in Arizona doing a bunch of shows with Jeff Arcuri while he tapes his Netflix special. And then I am closing out my last solo headlining gigs of the year at Mohegan Sun Comics, the 18th through the 20th. One of my favorite clubs. Meet me for a steak dinner and a seafood tower at Michael Jordan Steakhouse Thursday and Friday. But most importantly, guys, we are killing the game with this podcast. So if you want to come to a Show, Josh Adam Myers.com for tickets at Josh Adam Myers on all social media. 2026 is starting to fill up. I'll start announcing those dates probably next episode. I know we've got a bunch of stuff in Canada. I got the Baltimore show. We moved to February. I'll have all that info and it'll be all of my website very, very soon. Hopefully 2026 is better than 2025. I'm probably going to go to Europe again for a while. I think I'm moving to London. I don't know what's going on in life as anybody, but we have a YouTube. Subscribe to the YouTube to watch the episodes. Every Thursday they come out YouTube.com backslash the 500 podcast. And oh, I have YouTube.com backslash Josh Adam 79. I don't think I've been broke. I'm. I'm not doing anything on there.

[Jim Norton]

I should.

[Josh Adam Myers]

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Merch. It rules. All right, let's just get to this episode because it's a chunky mush. Blunky. So this is it. This is our last Black Sabbath record and we brought back the man, the myth, Mr. Jim Norton. I mean, he is just one of my favorite people.

I, I really don't know how to put it into words of how much I, I love being able to talk to Jim and his love for Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne. He is a true fan. We're gonna talk all about the, the final show in, in Birmingham. We're gonna talk all about the album. And the cool thing was I wanted to do a round table with a bunch of people that loved him. Ozzy and the Black Sabbath. It just kind of fell apart because I've had such a busy few few weeks and months. So what we did was we got some of our favorites. Throughout the episode we are going to place some of your favorites. Comedians that you love are rock stars. Depending on who sends it to me in time they will be telling you their thoughts on it. I know we got Billy, got little Billy Burr, got little Florentine, maybe Tom Morillo, maybe Zoboga, Joey Diaz.

[Jim Florentine]

Katie.

[Josh Adam Myers]

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Here we go with 131. Black Sabbath with Paranoid.

[Jim Florentine]

Hi, this is Jim Florentine and we're talking about the Black Sabbath Paranoid record. It's probably the most important heavy metal record in history. You know, you have the first Black Sabbath record, the song Black Sabbath, the Wizard Nib. But this one with all the hits on it, I mean, just a track listing alone. I mean, you open the album with War Pigs. Are you kidding me? Then you followed up with Paranoid, then Planet Caravan, Iron Man, Electric Funeral, Hand of Doom, Rat Salad, Fairies Wear Boots. That's like the the 1927 Yankees lineup. How great that is. One thing about this record. Oh, well, there's a couple things. First, you know, it's supposed to be called War Pigs. Then there's two different versions on why it's not. Because if you look at the album cover that was, you know, war and a guy with a shield and all that stuff and a sword. It was around the Vietnam War and you know, War Pigs and all that stuff. And the record label said, no, you can't call the album War Pigs. There was too much pressure from the record label to call it so. But then also there was a theory that they released a single, Paranoid before the album came out. And it was such a big hit that they Changed it to Paranoid. So there's two conflicting stories on that. I believe it's because they didn't want to call War Pigs at the time because the Vietnam War. But by the way, never a big fan of the song Paranoid. I just. It's just okay. Every other song on this album is probably better, except for maybe Planet Caravan, which is weird and good in its own way. I never understood why they picked that song, even though it was, like, a minor hit. But, I mean, there's Hand of Doom, Electric Funeral. Way better songs than Paranoid. And Black Sabbath, you know, closed with that song. Their last song. Every time Ozzy did it. Every time I saw Ozzy did it. And it could have. It could have easily been Fairies Wear Boots, you know, it could have easily been Nib. It could have been, you know, War Pigs or whatever, but they choose Paranoid. But anyway, the. You know, the. The story behind the song Paranoid is they had the seven songs done on the record, and the label said, look, we need.

To fill the album, so come up with something. They. They come up with it with, like, within, like, an hour. I only had this riff. Geezer wrote the lyrics, Ozzy sang it, and that was it. They just. It was like a throwaway song to them. Like, all right, whatever. We. We needed a short song because all the savage songs were always long. It's like 2 minutes and 52 seconds. And the record company loved it and put it out as a single, and it. And it caught fire. And that's, you know, and that's why they call the album Paranoid or the other way around. But either way, just a masterpiece of an album. I mean, just think about it. This is 1970. This thing came out of September of 1970, in January of 1970, or was it February, one or the other? The first Black Sabbath album came out. So within eight or nine months, they put two albums out in one year. The first Black Sabbath and Paranoid, two albums of amazing stuff of, you know, the best albums almost, you know, pretty much in the history of heavy metal that started heavy metal in one year, they put out and they come back with Master Reality a year later. But Paranoid, I mean, pound for pound, this is the album with all the hits on it. This has the most Black Sabbath hits on it, obviously, you know, with all the songs. Almost reminds me of, like, the Nirvana Nevermind record. There's so many hits on there. The Metallica Black album. So many hits on there. And this Black Sabbath, Paranoid, but a masterpiece. And, you know, what's great about this? Like, I don't like, all the hits, because they play them all time on the radio and stuff. So I try not to listen to Paranoid too much. But then every once in a while, like every couple of years, you put this album on from beginning to end, and it's mind blowing. Like, all the stuff sounds fresh. Iron man sounds fresh. Fairies Wear Boots, War Pigs, Paranoid, all of that stuff. I mean, what Ozzie, Bill, Geezer and Tony did to heavy metal, you hear it in all the grunge. You hear it in, you know, all these. All this music. Today there's a thing that people are saying that Bill Ward started the original, like, rap kind of beat, that the rappers took it from. Bill Ward, from Bill Ward's Drummond back in the day. That's the most underrated guy in a band. Bill Ward, the drumming on this record. And then on Rat Salad, you know, Rat Salad is bas. Basically Moby Dick. That was Led Zeppelin, Moby Dick. No lyrics, drum solo to, you know, Rat Salad, you know, because Bill and John Bonham were friends, and Zeppelin and Sabbath were like, you know, they were friendly enemies. So they were always trying to top each other. So Rat Salad is phenomenal. And Hand of Doom was probably my second favorite Black Sabbath song of all time. Underrated classic on here on the Paranoid record. It's just a. It's a masterpiece. And it still sounds fresh today. You put it on. It doesn't. This album does not sound dated. That's how good Black Sabbath Paranoid is.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's funny, like, I. And because we've talked about it before on the podcast, like, I always understood Black Sabbath and Ozzy and the love that people have. But when he passed away, that was on, like, a metal Michael Jackson level. Like, I know this porn star I've slept with. She got Ozzy tattooed to her chest. Like, just. Just people just. Everybody came out of the woodwork where it was like, oh, man, we forgot how much we loved him. And because so many years he had not fallen off. But, you know, he wasn't performing. He wasn't performing. And he also had become the Ozzy, the new Ozzy, which is the television character. And he's kind of like, out of it, still rock and roll, still doing Ozfest. But it was the same thing where it was like, Michael Jackson wasn't nearly as popular as he was. And then he passed away. And then he became, like, legendary.

[Jim Norton]

Well, that's how it is that I think anybody dies or a friend look at, like, oh, my God, what a fat. So I look like, what a lump fucking way is that Bobby Kelly. Oh, my God. And I've actually lost weight, believe it or not. Oh, my God. Tits of doom.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Put a filter on this, please. God.

[Jim Norton]

Aj, what are you doing slumped into my seat? Oh, my God, it's you.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Don Barris from the Comedy Store. Bobby Kelly. Fucking Jeff Ross. You guys are all turning into Anakin Skywalker Walker at the end of Return of the Jedi.

[Jim Norton]

Yes, the original. Before they cutened them up.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Before they sweetened the deal.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I think that's how it is when anybody dies. Like, I mean, you know, when on Aussie, I was. Obviously was miserable. I'm so happy. Florentine and I went to SAB to see Sabbath in. In Birmingham. I was. It's. I'm so glad we did that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Tell me about the whole thing because, like, it looked like you guys were almost in charge of, like, did serious pay you to go out? You were. I know you were already talking about it. Tell me the whole, like. Or is this just like.

[Jim Florentine]

No.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Got thrown together.

[Jim Norton]

Me and Jim were going anyway. We just decided we wanted to go. I'm like, let's just go see them. And he wanted to do it. So we booked a few gigs, we booked London, we booked Birmingham, we booked Manchester.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Just to pay for the trip, baby.

[Jim Norton]

And we went to. I think we were still. We were in London before we left. And Jim goes, let's go to the house. We wanted to go to the Black Sabbath house, which was Florentine's idea. So we wound up taking like a two and a half hour car ride to a town called.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Hey, dude, I got Hertz points. Don't worry, we can.

[Jim Norton]

It's not a problem. So what?

[Josh Adam Myers]

I got it. Don't worry.

[Jim Norton]

You don't need to go black. Just go with a regular Uber.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I know a guy. Don't worry, it's going to be £400. But don't worry, it's. It's going to pay.

[Jim Norton]

It probably was like £300. It was crazy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Crazy expensive, but worth it.

[Jim Norton]

It was fun to do. I'm glad we did it. It was the perfect timing right before the show. All the bands saw it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know, were there people out there? Like, was it kind of like a pilgrimage or.

[Jim Norton]

No, it was empty.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It was really.

[Jim Norton]

Me and Florentine went just to get pictures. Like, it's fenced in. So we're like, we'll just stand outside the fence and take pictures. But then some. There's a property next to it. And then the gate opened and a car drove through and the gate stayed open. So we're like, let's just go in. So we went in and we walked right up to the house. I took some footage inside the house and I mean, it was crazy to get that close.

[Tom Morello]

Wow.

[Jim Norton]

To the Black Sabbath.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could imagine.

[Jim Norton]

It was amazing. And. And everybody saw it. That was the highlight of my, my, my festival was. I was there and Hetfield called me over. He's like, I saw you in Florentine when.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I love that.

[Jim Norton]

I was so happy. James Hetfield.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, that's Brad, man.

[Jim Norton]

If I gave Hetfield a moment of happiness, I'm happy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I always feel like his real moment of happiness is when. When I guess they're doing the drum and the bass solo and he sits down off stage.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Smokes that cigar in his weird cowboy studded varvatos pants. And I'm like, all right, that's. That looks like a man that just. He's like, he's just waiting to die. And he's just like, just stacking money for my kids, kids and my kids, kids, kids. And then I'll be fine.

[Jim Norton]

He just likes to sit there and smoke his cigar. He was very. He was really complimentary. I was so happy that he saw it. Like, I mean, again, you know, a lot of the bands were like, I love that you guys went to the house. It was just. The timing of it was perfect. And we got to see Ozzy briefly. It was like at this after party. But I mean, they wheeled him in. He was, you know, he's having a hard time walking, so he had a wheelchair. But I'm glad, I'm really glad we got a chance to say hello to him at least and tell how much I love the show.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What was the energy like in the, in the stadium? Because, I mean, it's like there's something about. Because I, I. Because I was gonna go to that and then. But I was already going to England mid to late July and I was going to be there all summer. So I was like, well, all throughout Europe. So I was like, it just doesn't feel right to go. Be such a waste to go there and there. And truth be told, I should have gone. Yeah, the beginning. And just stayed through that.

[Jim Norton]

How long would you have had to stay? I.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Eventually it would have been about three months because I was already there 2 1/2 months. I was already there 2 1/4 months. But I went, I went specifically, I went for the gayer version. So I went to see Oasis and then Coldplay and then Queens of the Stone Age and then Wolf Mother and then a few other bands and then I was doing assorted gigs and then I ran into Jelly Roll and. And Post Malone in Berlin and then I just toured with them for a month. But I had nothing to do at the beginning of July. So what I. I should have. I. I regret it because it was all the people that I love you Florentine. Tom was putting it on. He was like all these great bands, dude. The, the like performance wise, you know, I. I heard various things like who do you think like not only honored Ozzy and Sabbath the most, but also put on the best show. Who do you think?

[Jim Norton]

It depends on the songs you like. I mean for me it was Metallica, but then again Guns and Roses was amazing. And, and, and Mayard and Adam were.

To see those guys doing Sabbath. I think they did Hand of Doom, if I remember correct. I don't. I know that. I know Metallica did Johnny Blade and I forget the other. So I was so happy that they did Johnny Blade and Guns N Roses.

[Jim Florentine]

I just.

[Jim Norton]

I don't remember what they did, but it was. They did a great job. And of course whoever it was did Changes. Young, whatever his name is.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Young Blood.

[Jim Norton]

That was amazing.

[Josh Adam Myers]

He made it. He made his whole career over that. Yeah, he was already building stuff up. But that was the one that stuck with me where I was like. I watched that because I love that song anyway.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And then. And I love Nino and I love the whole band that they had put together. But that kid that was like his coming out party.

[Jim Norton]

It was amazing. Yeah, everyone loved it. That was. I think the, the most viral moment of the festival is was him singing that. But for me, Metallica doing Johnny Blade was probably my favorite. But I loved what Tool did. I loved with what GNR did. I mean everybody was great. There was no bad. I mean Dave Draiman, I think he's saying Shot in the Dark, but I love that he's saying Shot in the Dark. It was fun watching. I love a good cover. I'm a. For a good cover.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Especially if it's Sabbath because you know people don't usually do Sabbath covers. Especially like the really deep cuts. So to hear someone doing again Johnny Blade or something like that, it was just. Or Hand of Doom. It was phenomenal. Was it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Was it the equal amount of like. Like every person basically did their own music and then covered. Was it two Sabbath songs or two Aussie Sabbath songs? How was it like?

[Jim Norton]

It was two, but I don't even know. I mean, I mean Stephen Tyler did Train kept the rolling, which was a great, great moment. Like, I love that song. I don't care about Arrow Smith that much, but I love that song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Take that back, dude.

[Jim Norton]

I know. I'm not that back. I'm not a big fan.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Come on, man.

[Jim Norton]

I acknowledge they're a great B. Like, you don't like that?

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[Jim Norton]

Oh, you don't like them?

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, I. I live in that moment.

[Jim Norton]

They're okay. I saw them. I was impressed with Arrow Smith. I saw Kiss and them in 2003, and they went on second. And I also saw them in the 90s.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Wait, Kiss went on before Aerosmith?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, in 2015.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And probably blew them away.

[Jim Florentine]

Right.

[Jim Norton]

Aerosmith followed them. And this is where I. Like, Steven Tyler and Aerosmith. They don't give a fuck. Like, they. They headlined woodstock. Was it 94 or 95? I went to both 94.

[Josh Adam Myers]

94 and 99 were the two ones.

[Jim Norton]

It might have been 99 is what I'm thinking of. Where they headlined over Metallica and Metallica went on. Somebody can maybe look up that lineup. I. I believe A.J.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Look that up. Because I'm pretty sure Metallica closed the night out.

[Jim Norton]

No, dude, it went.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, dude, it went Limp Bizkit. Then it went. I think it went Limp Biscuit, Rage against the Machine. Metallica that night. Because we watched it.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, was it a different night? I thought they followed Metallica, but I might be wrong. Maybe it was a different night.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You don't think anybody's following Metallica?

[Jim Norton]

No. I was very impressed. I don't. I just don't remember. But I. That's how I remember it. But again, it's 30 years ago.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I was so pissed. Not to cut you off, but just to add this is that I've never seen Aerosm. And I mean, like, I. Especially for doing the podcast, because I only thought they were the cheesy corporate rock.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Of like the 90s and the 2000s. But then you go back and you listen to Toys in the Attic and listen to all that great. And like. And when they were going on that tour with Black Crows, they were going to do. They're gonna do Radio City. Oh, my God. I was so excited because I love the Black Crows and to see them together and then his voice. So that was what blew my mind about them doing. Well, nobody.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

He.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Dude, he sounded better than, like, I love Axel. I love Guns and Roses, but I know the way he's singing to get through these songs, because you don't. When you write him, you don't think you're going to have to sing like that in your 60s and 70s. That's right. I could just do it now.

[Jim Norton]

You belt it out like. Like Robert Plant out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And Axel just. He's not. It's like he's a shell of what he used to be. But the band rules, and I love them and they could do no wrong. But, dude, I thought Stephen was done because they canceled tour because of vocal cord issues. And then you saw him during that performance and you're like, what the. Like, where did that come from?

[Jim Norton]

But two or three songs different than, like, concert. And I. And I saw. I saw Guns N Roses at the Apollo, Sirius xm. I saw some great bands at the Apollo Theater. And they did like three hours at the Apollo Theater. And he was. Axl was phenomenal. Like, he sounded. So how long ago? Maybe four. Four years ago. It wasn't crazy long ago. It's not long after the reunion. I saw Metallica at the Apollo, which was great to see those guys. You could tell, like, everyone loves just in that room. McCartney I've seen play there, and it's a thousand people. It's like watching them do a small bar show.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Serious. That's where they do all their shows, right?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, dude, they love going up to the black.

[Jim Norton]

They certainly do. Yeah. A bunch of white executives at security.

[Josh Adam Myers]

This feels right, right? I mean, come on, guys, we're in area.

[Jim Norton]

I think it's also a way for them to get bands because if you tell them, we're going to give you a channel for a month. So they would probably pay the bands. They get the money from the music being played, and you can go and do a show at the Apollo. Everybody wants to play the Apollo. It's such a legendary room. That's how they got McCartney or Lady Gaga. Who else? I saw a bunch of people. Springsteen, I saw there. People I never would have paid to go see. But I watched Bruce for three hours and I'm like, I get why people like this guy. He's fucking great live. He's an animal. Like, he put everything into that show. So I kind of. It makes you appreciate why other people like certain bands. And Aerosmith I respect because again, do we know if they went on with that Metallica thing was or no.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Hey, did you find it out?

[Jim Norton]

I might be wrong. Was that. Was it Woodstock? You're asking Woodstock 99, I think Black Sabbath was not at Woodstock 99.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, no, no, it was not Black Sabbath. Aerosmith.

[Jim Norton]

Aerosmith and Metallic.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Come on.

[Jim Norton]

Metallica. Metallica.

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Close it off.

[Jim Norton]

They closed.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Did they really?

[Jim Norton]

Over. Over aerospace?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yes, dude, I. I remember that.

[Jim Norton]

I guess you're right. I remembered it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It went.

[Jim Norton]

If.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I'm not. Dude, check to see if this is the lineup. Limp Bizkit, because remember, he rides. They rip the thing off. He rides. Fred Durst rides the wood panel. Then Rage, where they open with it.

[Jim Florentine]

Was it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's not like one of their hits.

[Jim Norton]

I don't know any of their music.

[Joey Diaz]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

No.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Really?

[Josh Adam Myers]

No. Nothing?

[Jim Norton]

No.

[Josh Adam Myers]

See, what if Tom was here? Would you have been like, don't know any.

[Jim Norton]

I know, I. But I like Tom. I don't know. I've interviewed him. He doesn't remember me. But no, I don't know their music. I'm not a fan. I. But again, they're another band that. I know. They're a good band. I don't think they suck. I just. It just certain. Like jazz. It doesn't reach me. Like, you're. Some things connect with you and some things don't.

[Josh Adam Myers]

This is. This is metal. This is. This is you. This is like. No, when you were coming up, Rage was coming up almost. And it's like. I don't see why that wouldn't be.

[Jim Norton]

Like a. I don't like being messaged at. So I think I push back early. We gotta do. What are you talking about?

[Josh Adam Myers]

This whole record is messages. Paranoid, but it's all message. But War Pigs.

[Jim Norton]

Yes, it is, but it's not. I don't feel like it's being. I feel like they're talking about something and not lecturing. That's just my take on it. Like, Sabbath never lectured people. And I think that when I feel like I'm being lectured, I push back in my mind and I don't want to hear it. Every musician has kind of a message in their music, but I don't like being messaged at.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which is odd, because I know you're friends with Colin Quinn, so. Yeah, yeah. Which is very.

[Jim Norton]

But Colin. Here's. Colin's a great example of why it works. Because what Colin does is he talks about how he feels and he never forgets that his job is to be funny. And it's always funny.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And he doesn't do the audience's emotional work for them. Like by. By saying I'm angry. Like he'll just do the joke and then you feel how you want to feel.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

That's how Sabbath did it. They didn't sing. You know what I mean? Generals Gather. They just sang it. Whereas I felt like, with Rage, again, they're A great band, but I felt like, you know, you're going to do what they taught. Like, like, oh, teach me. I don't need to be taught.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, it's so good. That bums me out. I wish I could say I'd take you to a goddamn Rage against the Machine concert.

[Jim Norton]

Everyone says they're AM again. I, I, I, I know that there, sometimes there's things I think just suck and then there's other things that I know that, like. Yeah, I don't connect with that, but I know it doesn't suck. Like, I'm not stupid. I, I know that they're not a bad band.

[Jim Florentine]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

It's just not for me.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What do we got right here? Oh, wait, so this is, what is this? This is the lineup.

[Jim Norton]

All right, so this is 99 different night. Okay, wait, this is 94? Yes, 94. Wait, weren't they in 99 too, or. No.

[Joey Diaz]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

No, no.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, okay. Okay, so that makes sense then, what you were saying.

[Jim Norton]

Okay. Arrow Smith closed out their own night. I just. 30 years. We did stand up there on the, on the side stages.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It was a, Was it you and Rich Voss?

[Jim Norton]

Me, Voss, Papa Florentine, Don Jameson, comedian named Michael Dinester, and Jeff Ross. I think he was still Lift Schultz at that point. And Bob Levy. And Bob Levy was doing coke off a driver's license at 3 in the morning.

[Jim Florentine]

World.

[Jim Norton]

We were in this giant performers tent. There was like 300, like, artists and like, like, like the, you know, the backup musicians and they put the comedians there. And you slept just in a sleeping bag. Sure. And Bob, Bob Levy was doing coke off his license at 3 in the morning. Everyone's asleep and he's just trying to stay up and keep the conversation going. Like Bobby doing coke at three in the morning. It was a fun, it was a fun time, though.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh my God. I mean, that was. And that was the pure one. That was the one that still felt like it was like a gathering of, of like minded individuals.

Yeah, but it's not 99. I mean, 99. That was why when you said in 99, Aerosmith would be closing out, I'd be like, there's no way, dude. That was the most aggro festival. I mean, that's like, it's, it's, it's. I went to an Oz Fest once. I saw it was Manson Chevelle. I want to say it was like 2003, 2004. And then I think either Black Sabbath or Ozzy. I forget who was the closer.

[Jim Norton]

It would have been Ozzy. It would have been. No. Ozzy was doing a solo set and then Sabbath was going on after.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So I. I remember I got all the way up to about Manson. Then I think I blacked out drunk. That being said, though, the most chill. Like, metal audiences are so right. Chill. When they get in the pit, that's one thing.

[Tom Morello]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But on the outside, I went to a Slayer concert and you're just walking around. It's just a bunch of Mexican like.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Hippies in la. Or emo, like metal guys. Again, dap you up. But it is such a chill thing. But there was something about that Woodstock 99, man. And I don't know if that was just the. The end of the. Of the. The tooth of the 90s into the. The transition from, like, Nirvana into. Into what? Limp Bizkit. Corn. Yeah. The band that you hate. Rage against the Machine.

[Jim Norton]

I. But I never got into Limp Bizkit or Corn either. I never enjoyed them. Nah, man. Like, I've saw them all at Odds Fest. All of them are not as fest. I mean, I love Manson. I love Disturbed. There's a lot of bands that would do his. The festivals that I love. But there's a certain style of metal I just never went with. I never got into Nirvana. Like, I know again, a couple of the songs are really good and. But I prefer the acoustic set to anything they did.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Interesting.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which is good. All right. Is that the best Unplugged album I.

[Jim Norton]

Again, that would be. I'd have to hear what the other ones are. It's great. It's hard to argue against that one. I love what Kiss did Unplug, but I'm a big Kiss fan. Like, I'm a huge. My whole apartment is Kiss posters.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Is it really?

[Jim Norton]

My wife wants to cut my throat. You understand how many kids I. I'm upset. I buy them. I collect them.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, we did talk about this. God damn it. I should have had you on. When we had Paul Stanley on. We had him do. We had him do a live. I think the first one. Because there's a live. And there's a live too. Am I not.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah. A lot. Probably was alive.

[Josh Adam Myers]

The one that blew him up. Because that live record was the one that really blew him. He was so great.

[Jim Norton]

We was in studio. Or is he on Zoom?

[Josh Adam Myers]

It was on Zoom. I was on Stream Yard. But in. Yeah, he was.

[Jim Norton]

Dude, that was like, I love Paul Stanley.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Such a nice guy.

And. And bringing it back to Tom. When I met Tom Murillo, it was when he introduced Kiss at The Whiskey, which was the first time I saw them live. So the first time I ever saw him. The only time I've seen them was when they played basically their full show.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

At the Whiskey. And I got to meet Tom. So Tom is like. Because Tom curated the whole lineup for that.

[Jim Norton]

It was amazing what he did. Yeah, amazing, man. He was so good. And I. I went there. Like, we went to the rehearsals. We didn't see Sabbath rehearse because we were. Were still doing gigs that night, like when. When Sabbath and Metallica went up. But the next night it was like. We saw just. We saw Draymond. We saw all these guys go up and rehearse. And Tom was kind of really running the show. He was. All right, let's try it like that, like, with everybody. He was really in charge of the way the music sounded. I mean, and he's just. You could tell how brilliant he is. It was so good.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. And so the. They had like a dual stage. Right. So it was like a big circle. So while one person's playing, they're setting up the equipment on the back.

[Jim Norton]

I believe so.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So there any downtime, or was it just one band right into the next?

[Jim Norton]

Right. Well, I kept going back anyway. Like, I would be in the front and I would just go in the back because I. Jim was doing interviews for serious. We weren't there for serious. But then they're like, hey, do you want to do some interviews? And. No, of course not. But they didn't even pay him. I mean, he was just there. But I'm like, why not? Like, it'll be fun just to talk to people.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, of course.

[Jim Norton]

We got to interview Jakey Lee. I had never met Jake before, so just to talk to fucking Jakey Lee, which. He kind of disappeared from the scene for a while. And it had been like 30 years since he connected with Ozzy. So we got to talk to him and we had Sharon on.

We had some. Really was really fun to Just to hang and interview people because it gave you a sense of something to do there.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What was the. What was the vibe like, you know, at a situation like that? Because it is a. There has got to be an excitement. What a way to. What a way to send off one of the greatest rock stars that's ever lived.

[Jim Norton]

100.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But then also the melancholy of this is it. Like, this is it. And not only is this it, like, I mean, it's. It's basically like, didn't. I mean, it's the question about him dying. I don't think anybody knew that quick. No, but I mean, what a. Like it just must have been like, you know, especially we talk about the changes song. Like people must have been weeping during that. I mean, there's no way I could have held that back.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it was. It was very emotional. But it was like. You were happy for us. Like, I think I was happy for Bill Ward. I was happy for Tony and Geezer that they got one more. Even though it was only a five song set because Ozzy did a short set. Bill can't play the drums for that long. You know what I mean? I think Bill, you know, Bill's an older dude. I was so happy to see all four of them. Bill took a shirt. He didn't give a fuck. I love. I just love the four of them on stage. One more time. I didn't care if they just walked, if they just sat on stage and had a conversation. I would have been fucking happy. All I was. I was worried for Ozzy about his voice. I was like, I just hope it holds out. I hope he's all right. And it held out. He was great. He had cracked a few times, but that's Ozzy. He was cracking in 1982.

[Jim Florentine]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

No, so no one gave a fight was. It was just great. And he got. He went out the way he should have went out. Which was a hugely successful show with all of these people paying tribute to him.

[Jim Florentine]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And people that like, literally don't need to do anything. They're all. They're all arena bands.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh. I mean, it's stadiums.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You're talking. You're talking some of the biggest bands working the most respected metal bands. Yeah. You have, you know, Tom, who is, you know, a part of one of the. The. The biggest like bands of the 90s and the 2000s and. And you could just go on down the line. It's like there is none of that music without. And I'd say without this record that we're talking about today, which is, you know, I mean, this is my like a goddamn greatest hits album. I mean. Yeah, this is probably, you know, from all the ones that we've done. Which one? What did we do? We did Masters this Reality Black Sabbath.

[Jim Norton]

And I think now Paranormal.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You came for. You got the Hat Trick, dude. Yeah, dude. So this is. And this came out the same year as the. As the first record too. This came out literally both in 1970.

[Jim Norton]

Was one in England first, though. I. I don't know. I mean, I. I thought. I thought I. Oh, no. Master reality was 71. Yes, I guess you're right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, this is the. This is both. All three records are produced by Roger Bane. I mean, this was the one that. I mean, dude, this is like. This is just. This is. This is, in my opinion, the. The reason all the metal, all the. That we love, and nothing against the first record, which is incredible. This is the record that. It was like. I think, like, rock music was one way. And then this record came out and it just completely shifted. I mean, you'd probably know better than I would because. Because you're a much bigger fan. And I'm not saying you're not that much older than me, but, I mean, were you. Were you buying records when you're in 70? I don't want to. I don't want to.

[Jim Norton]

Not 70. I'm 57. I don't care. I was. I was 2 when this came out. I wasn't running out and buying Sabbath. That's what I'm saying.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I was like. I know. There's no way. You were like. You were like 10, 12.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, no, but I remember in Paranoid, when you open the album, there's a really weird picture of Ozzy. I think Ozzy was standing and the other three were sitting in the grass. And it was such a bizarre picture. And it was a. Like, you'd open. It was like a double album almost.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Can you pull that up? I want to see it. If you can find it.

[Jim Norton]

It was. I don't know. It wasn't a double record. Like, there was two records in it, but, like, you could open it up and there was a. Just a weird picture. I remember being so, like, enthralled by that picture, and I don't know why. I think because it didn't look like an album photo. Yeah, it just looked like a photo of four guys. It didn't look like it was meant to be the center of the. Inside of a record jacket. Yeah, but, yeah, I love this record, of course, because. Probably War Pigs, Paranoid, Iron man, but it's the record I probably listen to the least because. Because I've heard all those songs so many times.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I get it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I get it. I would listen to Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath. You know, I think I like Sabotage as much, if not more than Paranoid, but. But what Paranoid did for the band and what it did for metal. I mean, Iron man is. Is iconic and Paranoid, which I think they just did. They needed an extra song like, that wasn't even supposed to be.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, yeah, I'll get to all of that. Dude, you're 100. Right.

[Jim Norton]

By the way, the COVID they were supposed to call it War Pigs. And that's why the COVID is like that. That weird cover for it to be called Paranoid is because the album was supposed to be called War Pigs.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, it's like, oh, no. This is the first time I've actually seen what it is.

[Jim Norton]

It's just a weird. It's like a guy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, it's the dude. Is that the band assuming with a sword or.

[Jim Norton]

No, it's just some guy. I don't think it's a band. It's just some guy with a helmet and a sword.

A terrible cover, but I love it. You understand what I mean? Like, yeah, their covers were very strange, but. But again, it just. It works. But it was. Paranoid was not. This was supposed to be a War Pigs.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That. What's so funny is, like, until I saw that dude's face on the bottom right, I thought that was the helmet from Phantom of the Paradiso. If you remember that weird movie with Paul Williams.

[Jim Norton]

No, but Paul Williams a singer.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

I was just listening to Paul Williams the other night. We really. A song called the Hell of It.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

I was just watching Paul Williams when he did the Hardy boys, Nancy Drew 1978 Halloween special in Dracula's castle. The hell of it. Paul Williams is the shit.

[Josh Adam Myers]

He's the shit dude. I actually. I met him once in LA a long time ago when I first moved out there. And it was like. I don't get starstruck very often, but it's like one of the. It's the one good thing about living in L. A is you'll be in the supermarket. You're like, holy shit, that's fucking. You know, the. The. The. The prosecutor from Law and Order svu. You're just. You're always there. And to run into him was just like. Because I only not only knew him as like. The main thing I always knew him from. Was Phantom of the Paradiso. Because I watched that on, like, Encore when I was a kid and it scared the shit out of me.

[Jim Norton]

I never saw it. By the way, I met Sidney Poitier in a fucking pharmacy in Beverly Hills. He was just. It was one of the greatest living actors and just me. And I walked up and I asked him a question because nobody was talking to him because they know how to. But I walked up and I'm like, hey, man. And I asked him about, I think Stir Crazy. I'm like, how was. Prior to direct? And that actually engaged him? Oh, yeah. He was like, oh, man, he was like. Yeah, it was really like he. I guess, because nobody asked, they. You know, of course I took a photo with him, but I. I caught him with a question that he didn't mind discussing, which is the.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which is the best way to approach any. Never ask for a picture. Just say, I got this thing I saw. I was wondering. And if you do that, that I.

[Jim Norton]

Get the picture at the end. He might. But they've already talked to you for a second. They kind of like you a little bit. So. Yeah, you're right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That's how I met Tom. And not to. Not to connect you on that level, but when he did that, the. The Kiss thing, the. The Kiss introduction at the Whiskey, he's sitting up top of the vip, which I had snuck into via a guy that worked. It's a long story, but after the show, because of the podcast. Do you know a band called Gang of Four?

[Jim Norton]

No.

[Josh Adam Myers]

They're a British post punk band. And when. When I did that album. Is this the other.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, yeah. Three of them were standing and just.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, just Bill. Just great hair.

[Jim Norton]

But this is not just a bizarre. I forgot is he had his hands on his hips. Yeah. What a. Just a bizarre. Inside the record jacket picture, which I always remember being very, very captivated by that photo. And I think that's.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That's Bill sitting.

[Jim Norton]

I can't see from here.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I love it.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, me too.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But I went up to. But I went up to him and from doing this podcast. I remember listening to Gang of Four and hearing Rage and his guitar in this guy, Andy Gill, the guitarist for them, him. And he's sitting there at the table, and it was just like that kind of thing where you're like, all right, like, I want to talk to him, but I really want to ask him this question. I said, hey, man, do you mind if I ask you a question? He's kind of, like, annoyed at first. And I say, how influenced were you by Andy Gill's guitar from Gang of Four? And it was like he lit up and like, it was like, sit down. And then it was just off to the right.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So, yeah, dude, like, anytime. What was the craft service like on Stir Crazy? Like, what did Gene Wilder eat?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What time did Richard start drinking? What time did he stop?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Did you. Did you ever see his crack pipe or see him cook Coke?

[Jim Norton]

I think I interviewed the guy who directed Blue Collar. Who was. Whose name? I don't. Paul Schaefer. I don't remember his name, but I'm pretty sure I Love that movie. That's a Richard Pryor Keitel Yafit Koto movie. And I think I asked him about Richard and he goes, he was just the unhappiest guy I've ever met. I know. But I kind of loved him. Like, what do you expect?

[Josh Adam Myers]

God damn, dude.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah. He was difficult.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, he was difficult. You think?

[Jim Norton]

A little difficult, dude.

[Jim Florentine]

He made me.

[Josh Adam Myers]

He made me, like. I remember, like, watching a thing about smoking coke and I used to do coke, and I was like, maybe I should do that. Maybe I should stop putting it up my nose and start smoking it. But it's too much work.

[Jim Norton]

By the way, the best song on this record. Like, I mean, obviously Paranoid.

Iron Man, War Pigs are all great. Electric Funeral. I. I wish Electric Funeral got more.

Attention.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

It's always the songs you don't like. But then again, if it did, if Electric Funeral was the big song, I might be going, I wish Paranoid or Iron man got more attention. Maybe as a fan, you become so immersed in it, you notice what everyone else loves. You. Like, what about this?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, what? Well, first of all, you said it perfectly. You've heard War Pigs, you've heard Paranoid, you've heard Iron man over.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And over you. Don't you. It's like when I always say, like, is it a no Skip record at a certain point, maybe the first time you listen to it. Oh, God, no. But after a certain point. Point I don't need to listen to these songs. I want to get to the other one.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Because you've heard this. You know, I still. And not. We were talking about this, me and AJ before you showed up. You're playing the record. And I was like, I stopped him because I've listened to it a few times, but I didn't know what was what name wise. And then when I was like, yo, is this is. And he was like, it's Electric Funeral.

[Jim Norton]

Great.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which is. Which is arguably the. The best, deepest cut. Is it a deep cut or is this something they would play at the concert?

[Jim Norton]

They would. When they came back in the. And they did their reunion, they played some interesting stuff. There were certain things I. Ozzy wasn't hitting the notes on. Like, you know, the dream for me would have been them opening with Symptom in the Universe off of. Off of Sabotage. But I think that Ozzy couldn't quite get those notes, so they would do a jam of it, like when they would just do this little jam. But they did do Electric Funeral, which I loved. I. I love that they did. They also did into the Void off of Master Reality, which is a deeper cut.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, I love that. I remember that.

[Jim Norton]

It's phenomenal. And. But Ozzy would do that with, with that them, the ones he liked to do. He liked to do Paranoid, like to do War Pigs, Iron Man. He loved doing Children the Grave. You could tell he liked to do Fairies Were Boots, which, which is on this record, which is a great song. I think it's about a fight that they had where they got beaten up by some skinheads or they had a fight because Tony apparently one who would throw down quickly. But again, when you're a real fan of the band, it. You never want to hear the hits because you've heard the hits a million times. So it's the things that you don't get to see live that you want to see live live. But it's not because you think you're a better fan than other people. It's just. No, I love this song, but I've heard it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I, I, you know, I'm a big believer in, in any band that has an incredible catalog that changes the lineup of their set list every night. Love it. And that's why I was. I'm not the biggest Pearl Jam fan, but I respect every night. It's different. Queens of the Stone Age. Every night is a different set.

[Jim Norton]

Grateful Dead.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Grateful Grateful. I mean, that's like their whole, that's their whole thing.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know what I mean? Tori Amo knows. I didn't, I don't know her music at all. And I went to see her and then I was like, I was like, wait, I remember with Christine Evans, Jay's girl. I was like, you want to go? And she's like, no, she's not playing in my hits. So I still went. And then I looked under the next set list for the next night. Oh, it's different. It's different than I've done. I love that. And I think, you know, when you have a catalog like Black Sabbath and you have die hard fans like you and so many other people, it's like we want, like, we, we know. It's like, yeah, Pearl Jam's gonna play even Flow. They're gonna play alive. But, but dude, do the brain of Jay or do these deep, deep cuts, because those are the things that it's like, you know, if you're gonna do, you know, three shows in a city and sell it out, you. Some people just want to go every night.

[Jim Norton]

Metallica was doing that recently. They were doing like two shows. I Like when the dog makes me.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Ah, like a dog.

[Jim Norton]

He's a good boy. She, oh, it's a she. She, oh. Well, I've made those mistakes before.

That won't be my first rodeo.

But you. Yeah, I always like the deeper cuts too. And then once in a while they would do him like. But I love the reunion tour that Sabbath did, because they did. Again, they did the songs that they were supposed to do because, again, you don't want just deep tracks either, because a lot of people are going, and they know this. This Paranoid is the record they know.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yes.

[Jim Norton]

So I don't. I don't want to see people going and just hearing, you know, deep tracks off of, say, Die or Sabbath.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, no, no. But. But you. But, dude, play the hit hits.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

If you're gonna do. It would be like. It would be like, you know, if. If they were doing what that. What was their last record? 13.

[Jim Norton]

That Love 13, yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

With Brad Wilk from Rage On Drums. They. They did this incredible record and it's like, you want to hear that, but it's like you want to, you know, if you're gonna hear. Let's Say there's what, 10 songs on the album? Let's say you do six songs off the. Off the new record and then make all the rest. Yeah, the hits and. And other deeper things. And I think that's kind of, you know, know. Cuz, look, dude, and I. And I know we're sitting there talking about Electric Funeral. I'll say this straight away, War Pigs is one of my favorite rock songs of all time.

[Jim Norton]

Amazing.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I got into it. Speaking of covers from Faith no More.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Because they did that on the real thing, and I think Mike Patton, obviously influenced by Azie and just like their style of music, but, I mean, Mike.

[Jim Norton]

Borden's a drummer, right? Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, not Mike Borden. Mike Borden.

[Jim Norton]

It was my boy.

[Jim Florentine]

Yeah, it's Mike.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I thought you said. I thought you said Mike Portnoy.

[Jim Norton]

No, no, Mike Porton.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Mike Borden's a drummer.

[Jim Norton]

He played with Ozzy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yes. So. Yes. Was he. Was he at the thing, too?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah, I saw him. I said hello to him, but he doesn't remember me, so no one remembers.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So that was.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

That's.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What, Are you kidding?

[Jim Norton]

No, they just don't. I. I literally am like a thing that they've seen. It's almost like if you walked in and saw a potato on the table, you wouldn't realize you've talked to it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

They see Florentine. Oh, my God. Crank Anchors and they just like, move your head out of the way, please.

[Jim Norton]

Idiot.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But no, but War Pigs, that was one of. I mean, they didn't do anything different other than just do the song the way that it's done. And it's amazing.

[Jim Norton]

They did. They used to open with that when they were touring again in the 2000s. That was a great opening song. Like, when they open with the song Black Sabbath, it's a little slower to open the show with because it has, like, the rain and the like. Like, it's just a little bit. I pre. Would open with War Pigs. I thought that was such a great opening song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We did. We did Skank Fest this week in. Our last week in. In New Orleans. And we had Harland because he'd done it before he. He opened the show with War Pigs, Harlan Williams. And it's just. I mean, the crowd went bananas. And it's funny that we were talking earlier about, you know, you don't want to be preached to. So how would you say. Because this is basically calling out politicians, liars and mass murderers and. Which feels right up your alley. Yeah. You know, was. Was what. What is it about this song that you. That you don't feel is. Is preachy is compared to the other stuff we were talking about.

[Jim Norton]

I. I just think like somebody talking about something. I mean, when you look at, you know, into the Void is a song about, you know, what's going wrong and how we're worrying about what's going on in space. And I. I just. There's the difference between, again, the way a guy like Colin delivers something, which is. This is what I.

Emotional legwork for you. I find when somebody is trying to do the emotional work for me, it annoys me because they're telling me how to feel about it instead of giving me their take. And then just however I feel. I feel I'll probably wind up agreeing with them anyway, but you know what I'm saying, Like, with. With this. I don't ever feel like. And plus, maybe I. I also probably influences the way I've seen people off.

Off camera, like off stage, out of the music. And honestly never preach politics to people. He never.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which is so odd.

[Jim Norton]

I don't.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Did he write the lyrics to this?

[Jim Norton]

I think Geezer wrote a lot of the. The way they would do it is there's another version of Like War Pigs called Like War. I forget what it was called, but it was like Ozzy just riffing. It was on the Cena Priest appears. It was a really weird live version. He would Just kind of run through lyrics until he got the lyrics.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It is Geezer that wrote the lyrics.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, Geezer. I wrote most of the lyrics. He was like the main lyricist in the band. But Ozzy would kind of sing through things with sometimes lyrics that didn't make sense. Lines just to get the. Until they found the words.

[Joey Diaz]

Is.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Is. Is Generals gathered in the masses Just like witches at black masses. One of the best lyrics Geezer's ever written. I think that is because that's really cool to. To make, you know, to basically say that war makers are evil sorcerers. You know what I mean? It's. It. To put, you know, it just. But one. It goes with the vibe of everything that Black Sabbath is. But I mean, I just think that is such a powerful lyric. Lyric.

[Jim Norton]

It's amazing. I mean, I'll take a Volume Four, you know. And again, if you look at like under the sun, the lyrics and that were really good. I mean, he's a great lyricist, though. Like, you can go through all of their records and. And so many of the. Of the. The lyrics are phenomenal. But. And that's up. That's mostly Geezer. I mean, Children of the Grave after forever off of Master Reality is. Is great lyrics. Lord of this World. Like, everything that he wrote was. Was good. But yeah, this is like the most famous of his great lyrics. Generals gathered in their masses. It's such a memorable opening. I love that everyone anywhere knows that that lyric.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It really is notice you was. Was like. Would you say this is the first band that you. Especially a song like this, that you were like, oh, wow, you can say that. Like you can on. You can call out the government. Like. Do you know what I mean?

[Jim Norton]

Like, I didn't feel that way. I mean, even though you're right, I didn't think of it. That because I like Kiss. First I was younger.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which are the most anti. They're just. They're just like a party band.

[Jim Norton]

They're just a rock band. I mean, if you want to Rock and roll night Would you like to party throughout the day?

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know, Love Gun, Come on.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, yeah, Mr. Speed is a great Kiss song. But yeah, I mean, I still love Kiss.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Sure.

[Jim Norton]

I. I love them. And I like when I hear bands like Barello, who was influenced by Kiss and.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And a lot of these bands that people think are like these brilliant artists. Like, you know, a lot of them will say, oh yeah, Kiss was a big guy. I think Lane Staley and a lot of those guys. Oh God, Kiss was a huge influence on them.

I forget what I was saying. Oh, but, but, but lyrically, no, I didn't. When I was a kid, I just liked the music. Like, I didn't really listen to them calling out the government or whatever. I just thought that the lyrics were great. The songs were great and the lyrics were cool, but I didn't look at the greater implication of them. I just liked them.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Was there a comic that did that to you that you kind of know?

[Jim Florentine]

Was it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Were you, like, an early Carlin fan?

[Jim Norton]

Prior and Car?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Prior more than anybody. But Carlin as well. As I've gotten older.

Carlin, because I understand that he was actually insulting the people in his audience, which is great. Which I think was so. And they were like, yeah, he's talking about you, you idiot. But Prior, I think, was the one for me that I was like, oh, my God. Like, he made you see things a little bit differently.

[Joey Diaz]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But again, he never. The thing I loved about Prior is he. You changed the way you saw race. But he didn't. He never made me feel like he hated white people, even though he may have. But when he just did funny characters and the message was obvious, sure. It wasn't.

Because I don't respond to that, but when I hear him doing these and presenting the argument in being funny, you have to sit back and kind of go, like, oh, like, that's right. Yeah, But. But you come to your own conclusion. That's what I loved about him.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Sure.

[Jim Florentine]

Totally. Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

War Pigs. I mean, this is the perfect way to open this record, especially with the. The air raid sirens. Yeah, yeah. It's just. It's just because you forget, these guys were all. If I'm not mistaken, all of them were during the.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Were they.

[Josh Adam Myers]

They must have been during what, during World War II. Right.

[Jim Norton]

The bombings when they were kids. I think they've. They've talked about it. I mean, they were all born, like, you know, 44, 45.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. I mean, they're right there at the end, but I mean, they're still rebuilding and they're rebuilding. Yeah, they're for sure, like, going through it. Geezer. One geezer. Because that was Bill Ward's is. Yeah. I mean, they're all. No, they're all at the end of it. When did. When did World War II end?

[Jim Norton]

45.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, never mind. They're way past that. Yeah, all right, never mind.

[Jim Norton]

But it was mostly the. The rubble, and I think they were still living in, because they were all poor guys from Birmingham. They were broke. We went to Aussie's old house too.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

We went by Ozzy's old house. We took pictures. We took pictures in front of geezer's old house. Like two.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I, I, you know what? That, that's the thing I wish I would have done. I wish I would have because I spent so much time when I was there in London and it was like, dude, like, I'm such a Beatles fan. Like, just go to Liverpool. Like, just jump on a train and go down there and see all that. And it was like, I didn't, I just dicked around and. I mean, I went to Abbey Road Studios and went inside and did a tour and did, did and did some cool. I did one of those, like, lame rock tours. But still, it's like, I, I love that you guys did that because, like, what is it? That's like. Even if it's like you go down there, you just see it, you get some pictures. It's just to know that you went there, it just, it feels like such a deeper connection.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Than just going to the festival. It's like, no, no. We took our time, we paid our respect and that. That's beautiful, man.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it was good. And we had, we had, we saw Sharon, which was great. I mean, she's always, she's always really fun to, to talk to. Like, she's a really. She'll kind of give you the inside scoop and like, how, and how Ozzy was doing and how everything was going and, like, you know, it was, it was just the whole thing was fun.

[Josh Adam Myers]

She paused. She was, she seemed pretty positive.

[Jim Norton]

So happy that he was doing it. Yeah, she was very happy with the turnout and with the people that. And obviously the show itself.

[Josh Adam Myers]

The. I think I told you this, or maybe I didn't, but his vocal coach the last couple years was my vocal coach, Katie Riggs. So I've, I worked. I've known her for years. Her dad's like, one of the greatest vocal coaches of DID Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston. And I don't know how she linked up with Ozzy. It might have been a sober thing too, because she's sober. I know he's sober, but she was with him for the whole, like, month, two months in England, warming him up. There's pictures of her, like, getting him ready. So all of that, all of that to get him to that point was so hard.

[Jim Norton]

A lot of work.

[Jim Florentine]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, and, and he did sound great, like, for, for cons with all. All things considered.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Parkinson's. And he wound up dying two weeks later. Like, you see, See how sick he was or how bad a shape he was in.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I didn't realize that, man, he was.

[Jim Norton]

Doing that thing in between. I was spraying his throat. He would always worry about his throat. Of course, I'm sure all singers do, but he would spray that whatever it was into his throat to keep it going. And he was doing that in between every song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, it was. I didn't realize that he, he had that back surgery. That or the spine surgery. That, that's, that's, that's basically what did.

[Jim Norton]

It right him up. Yeah, but. But they said it was going to go one of two ways and it didn't go the right way. Unfortunately. I felt very bad for him because he loves to perform and like he loved it. And for him to be sidelined like that, I knew must have been so fucking Elise. As comedians, you can go on in a wheelchair and not care about your voice and just croak through it and make fun of it and make it work. But when you're a singer, if you're like that, physically debilitated, it's impossible.

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[Jim Norton]

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[Unknown Guest (possibly a fan or commentator)]

Is the only band I ever listened to that truly scared the out of me the first time I listened to him. When I listened to that first album, whatever that song is, where Ozzy Is Going to Hell.

It just really freaked me out. But aside from that, what makes them so great is they're just 100 originals. There was, nobody liked them, there was no sound like them. The fact that they went like so much music was about bonding with the crowd and being, I don't know what, you know, trying to have a good show. And they went out there like, this is our darkness, like deal with it. And what I loved about Oz the most was his love of the fans. It was just so undeniable. Every time I saw him perform live, he was so happy to be doing it and he was so happy to get the kids, you know, going nuts in the crowd. And in all those years, every interview, he always just seemed really down to earth, self deprecating. And even when he got to legend icon status, he still just sounded like some guy you'd be having a beer with, you know, just some funny guy you ran into in a bar and you'd never know he was like the biggest rock star ever.

Yeah, that's why I love him.

[Tom Morello]

Tom Morello here. Heavy metal music is the music that made me love music. And Black Sabbath invented that. And while their first record kind of planted the flag, Paranoid was the first Black Sabbath album that I bought on the Strength of the riff of Iron man and the anti hero tale in the lyrics. It was just a, an absolute epiphany and it swept everything before it out of the way.

And a new genre of music was born that was better than the other genres of music that had come before. Destroying the flower power generation, you know, and paving the way for decades of awesome metal to come. It is a historic, one of a kind masterpiece of a record. Paranoid and without it, I'm sure I would never have written the riffs that I wrote write that I've written over the course of the last, you know, three and a half decades. Salute to Black Sabbath. Ozzy Osborne, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We saw. Me and Big J went to see Genesis. Phil Collins.

[Jim Norton]

Oh yeah, yeah, dude.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Dude, that was like. I wish I didn't go.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, it was bad.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, I mean Ozzy looked better than Phil and Ozzy was strapped to a goddamn chair. Dude, when, when Phil, Phil. I mean we weren't. I'm not, not laughing at all but like, But I'm with Jay, so Jay's making. He's just hitting every perfect joke. And I mean, dude, when they did the encore, they didn't even wheel Phil off the stage. They just turned the lights off, the band left and he just sat there and then like the lights came back on. I mean he couldn't do anything. He sounded fine. But I mean, and I. But that was him doing, you know, an hour 45, two hour concert.

[Jim Norton]

But he sounded okay. Okay.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, enough. I mean, dude, it was, it was, it was fine. The show was fine. It wasn't what. It was more the whole time we were just like, oh man, it's like I didn't realize he was in that bad of shape. I knew, I think everybody kind of knew what they were getting. That Azie was going to be.

[Jim Norton]

Yes.

[Josh Adam Myers]

A not a shell. He was going to be at 50% at best.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Like he. Look, we all know he's sick. We all know he's doing this because he wants one more show. Like there was a. The expectation that level is different going in. But I have a lot of tolerance for a singer. Elton John. Guys that don't sound the way they used to sound. I'm okay with that. I kind of, I'm very tolerant of older singers. Like, it's just gotta suck when you're, when it's not your mind. It's just physically you break down. Like McCartney's voice is even going a little bit. I mean he lasted longer than Most people do. And he still sounds good, still sounds great, but he's not, not McCartney of even 15 years ago, but that's normal. So I'm, I, I don't care.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Him and, him and, and, and Mick Jagger are in the. I would put them in the top.01% of aging rock stars. And I'll throw Stephen Tyler in there now because, dude, he, that show was incredible. He sounded amazing.

[Jim Norton]

I put Jagger over all of them, though, because he's, because of what he does physically.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, dude. Yeah, we, we just saw, we just saw Paul at the Bowery and it was a great show. He moves around a little bit. Mick Jagger, 82, 83 years old, is, is like bopping around. I, I mean, you, you pray that you could be that active at that age.

[Jim Norton]

I wasn't that active when I was 19. I won't be that active when I'm 80. He literally, he's got, he's tiny, he's thin. He's never gotten fat.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Heroin. That's what it is, dude. Did he do heroin? I mean, they all did. Dude. You do heroin, dude.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

You're.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Dude, I'm never going to get fat, bro. Never going to. I'm always going to be lean. It's one of the advantages. People just do heroin in your 20s, you'll be fine. But I, I'll say this. It's like the, the, the difference though is like, I've seen videos of Azie or I've seen performances of him and he was still up there and he's doing his thing. When did you see. Start seeing the real shift in his voice and the performances, you know, seen him throughout the years. Right?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. But d. It got better at one point, like when he sobered up. Up, like, because I would see him in the late 80s, mid-80s, and he would, you know, his voice would be cracking and forget the lyrics sometime, but, you know, he was in a very. He was, I believe, enjoying. He was getting up all the time and then his voice would crack a lot and then like, at one point it just got better. He started sounding better and he looked healthier.

[Josh Adam Myers]

When was that?

[Jim Norton]

Like, I mean, I don't even know.

[Josh Adam Myers]

The 2000s.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, the 90s. And because he would spike and then, you know, you'd know that his life had changed and he'd was maybe partying again. Like, you could always tell when he was sober and healthy and on the exercise bike because the shows were, were better. You know, it's like anybody else, but I noticed that he sounded better in the last X amount of years. And I think a lot of that was because he wasn't doing what he used to do. He was taking better care of himself. And so it showed on stage and you could hear it on stage and you still have a little crack here and there. But I like that. I prefer that to someone just sounding like the record.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

Record.

[Jim Norton]

Like I like going on. I go on Taylor Swift, you know, that's all mean. I love that song. I'll go watch her do it live. I don't want to hear the record. I'll watch her do an acoustic version of Set It Off. Is that what it's called? I mean, just weird.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Like that one.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, Shake it Off. Shake it off.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. You hate, right?

[Jim Norton]

You hear this?

[Josh Adam Myers]

People hates Rage against the Machine loves Taylor Swift.

[Jim Norton]

I don't hate him and I don't love her, but I would rather listen to her.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, can you. What's that song that my. My Shake It Off? No, it's not that one. The one that my nieces got me into. It was. Oh, God damn it. Oh, never mind. It doesn't make a difference. Reputation. How's that one go?

[Jim Norton]

I don't go deep with her. I don't know.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I think it's a deep cut. Aj, don't play it. Don't play it.

[Jim Norton]

We won't be able to.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We don't have no. They'll cut it out.

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[Josh Adam Myers]

God damn it.

[Jim Norton]

We get sidetracked.

[Josh Adam Myers]

How do you talk? We're talking about Ozzy. Are we talking about Taylor Swift?

[Jim Norton]

He wouldn't mind.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

Mind?

[Josh Adam Myers]

He would.

[Jim Norton]

Who the is Justin Bieber? It's better than Aussie.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, all right, Paranoid. Let's talk about a couple more songs like Paranoid. Title track. This is, like you said, was an afterthought. It was written in the last minute when they realized they needed another song. Became their first major hit single, reaching number four in the uk.

I mean, they got a lot of.

[Jim Norton]

For that, by the way, because there was a moment where it's called I tell you to enjoy life. I wish I could, but it's too late. But a lot of people thought it was I tell you to end your life. Some reporter asked him one time when there was all that lyric stuff. People committing suicide, blaming heavy metal. And they blamed Suicide solution off of Blizzard of Oz, which was crazy. It was an anti drinking song. And he goes, he was doing the press conference. A reporter goes, don't you say end your life? And Ozzy goes, I had to go through all the lyrics real quick in my Head. I go, no, I tell you to enjoy life, not end your life. Enjoy life. But like, you know, sometimes you mishear something and you know, people thought he was telling them to kill themselves.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, this is 2 minutes and 48 seconds of just gold.

[Jim Norton]

It's phenomenal. It's phenomenal.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Especially to find out that. It's like. It's always like that. It's always. You find out like Eminem, when he wrote I'm the Real Slim Shady, he. That was the last song he wrote on the record. Sweet Child of Mine was a. Was like a throwaway. It was just him doing like. It was one of his like guitar warm up things. Was there a. Is there a joke that you've ever written that was like, that you just was like, yeah, this was such a throwaway. And then it became like, holy. This is like. It's a closer. What the.

[Jim Norton]

You know, mo. Most of my jokes I kind of. I talk through on stage. And a lot of times all of a sudden it clicks like, oh, this is okay. But. So there's not one. It's. I, I go through a weird process of, of. Of writing cuz I'm lazy. So I just do it on St. Hel. Good evening. I do it on stage.

So you just kind of talk through and eventually just starts to click in. But there's been none that I was like, oh, oh, sorry. Then all of a sudden it became like a joke. I talked through them while. It's a very weird, shitty process.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, that's the way you do it. I'm just lazy. No, I know we do, but. But you got a good gig though, do you? Do you work it all out on the Comedy Cellar on Tuesdays?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, I did two sets a night.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

God damn.

[Jim Norton]

I did two sets every night. I'll go down tonight and I'll do the Village Underground and the Cellar. And that keeps me sane. Going up every night like you. And then you work on something Monday and then Tuesday you're like, yeah, let's try that again. It gives you a reason to go down.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh no, completely. It's, it's, it's rare that like something that you would just like. Because usually it's like, you know, you're like, oh, this is good. But I mean there. I've heard other comics say like, oh yeah, I just told that story about us like going to Billy Joel and it was. Got such a big laugh that I was like, I ended the set on that. Oh sure.

[Jim Norton]

Like stuff like Monster Rain became this. You know, when I first Talked about that at a. At a show called Confessing it in Montreal in 2003. Jeff Singer put me on. So I told the story of Monster Rain and I. It got laughs. And I was like, oh, this is something. Like, this is more than just a confessing story.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And then I wound up naming my special after it. It became like this signature. People remember me from Monster Rain more than anything.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. Planet Caravan. This is, like, a little bit more mellow.

[Jim Norton]

Sure. Pantera covers that, I think. Pantera. I forgot Pantera was there. Jesus Christ, they rule. Yeah, I know. Phil was. Phil was very, very. He was very jovial. He was in a great mood, really. I. I've Again, I've met him. I think we interviewed him in Rex. I forgot Pentagram. Jesus. And they did Planet Caravan, I think, and something else. But he loves Planet Caravan. That's the song they've covered.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Beautiful. I mean, you hear it. I think you hear some of their. You hear definitely some of the guitar playing. Yeah. From Dimebag. But it's funny that they would do this one because it's a much more mellower song. You know, it's.

Emerge from a jam session. This is. Yeah, it's. I. Whoever wrote this is really perfect. It's like, it's. They deviate from their standard heavy riffing to explore atmosphere. And I feel like that is a great way to kind of categorize this, especially. Especially on this. It's. It's floating. It's more of, like, otherworldly.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. It's almost like a song called Solitude off of Master Reality. It's like a very, very.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It feels like it should be on that record more than it should be on this one.

[Jim Norton]

Weird song. Out of place. But they would always do that. Like, they would always put some weird change of pace song on. Like Bill Ward singing. Singing a song called it's all right On. On was the saboteur. No, it's Technical Ecstasy. Yeah. Or a song called She's Gone on Technical Technologies, which was a very. Which I like actually better than Change.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Changes.

[Jim Norton]

She's Gone. I prefer to Changes, but no one knows She's Gone. It's a. That's a really deep cut, but, like, it's about, you know, your. Your. Your girl leaving. There was these weird ones that they would throw in, these love songs that didn't seem to fit on a Sabbath record.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, totally. Somebody wrote. The guy that wrote this, he goes. It feels like something you'd hear while being abducted by aliens who had nothing to do with you sexually.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

If you got abducted by aliens, do you want them to be more of the meaner aliens or the more sexually proby aliens?

[Jim Norton]

I don't know why we can't combine those things. I can't. I don't know why they can't sexually probe me and then call me a homo for getting an erection.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which leads us to Iron Man. What a great segue. Yeah, this is. This is probably the most popular riff. Is it the most popular riff that pan. That. Not Pantera. That Black Sabbath's ever done?

[Jim Norton]

That one? Yeah, I think so. Even more than paranoid is people know that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But even if you don't know the rest of the song, you know that part.

[Jim Norton]

You know that, know that part. Everyone's heard that.

How annoying. Am I doing the guitar?

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, you're doing great.

[Jim Norton]

But I mean, I think. I think that everyone knows that riff more than anything.

[Jim Florentine]

Do you?

[Josh Adam Myers]

So we were talking about earlier about overplayed classics. Do they still hit you? Do they still. Do you? Like, we were talking, like, we might want to not skip over, but it's like. Does hearing, like, Iron man now feel the same as it did back then? Like, almost like you're watching your favorite childhood cartoon. Like, is it. Does it bring up that kind of emotion or is it just like, I know this. Let me move on to the next.

[Jim Norton]

I'll move on to the next one. But watching them do it live, I always like. Because I only always puts everything into it. And Ozzy is so good with an audience, so he would get the crowd going crazy and, like, you know, he's throwing his arms, like, so. You're involved in it with, like, so watching them live. I never got sick of it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. God. The working title originally was Iron Bloke.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, I didn't know that. Iron Blow.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Iron.

[Jim Norton]

I am Iron Bloke. Oh, that would not have been as good.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Tells of a man who travels to the future, sees a disastrous outcome for humanity, returns to warn people, but is ignored and ultimately becomes a destroyer himself. Way deeper. Way deeper than. Than. It's. What's so funny is, like, when you just. I'm such a. Just listen on the surface and forget to, like, real. Really try to, like, hear what they're saying. I hear what they're saying, but I'm not listening. And then to, like, read these things, you're like, oh, it just gives you such a different perspective on it. Yeah. Also, big ups to. To Robert Downey Jr. Saving his whole career based on.

[Jim Norton]

He sure did.

[Jim Florentine]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Really did, dude. God damn. I do like heroin. Rdj though. He was. He was, dude, you know, getting up, going to brand new people's homes. Yeah. Like there was something about that dude.

[Jim Norton]

It was the less than zero. Robert Downey, Judy Jr. Julian gives good head and is dead. They spray painted on the wall. Really? On the nose. All right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

The one we were talking about earlier, Electric funeral. Yeah. This is their most apocalyptic song.

[Jim Norton]

Great song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Radiation, destruction, end of the world. Yeah. You know, I. I think this is my favorite song on the record that isn't one of the main hits. You joked a lot about humanity being doomed. Do you think the world is actually ending? Or have we always just been caught in kind of a electric funeral?

[Jim Norton]

Do you mean, like, do I? Do I. Everyone feels like they're the last generation, especially in the last hundred years, that a technology can make that happen. Everyone feels like it's. It's critical mass. It's happening now and then it just doesn't. The end times. People have been babbling about the end times for 3,000 years, and that never happens.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's coming, dude.

[Jim Norton]

It. But it may be coming now just because we know now that we have the ability to actually make it happen. So I think now it's a little bit more frustrating. And back then, it was a little more biblical.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That.

[Jim Norton]

That's my take on. I think it was more biblical when people just thought God was going to come back, but now we're like, no, no, Putin could do it. We could do it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, God. North Korea could do it very quickly in a realistic. I don't want to say zombie apocalypse, but in the world, you know, the power goes out. We're all basically having to join tribes. How long from the fall of government do you think you could survive?

[Jim Norton]

Like, how?

[Josh Adam Myers]

From. And we could. I mean, is it zombie apocalypse? Is that A.J. is that too unrealistic? Zombie apocalypse? Because that's two.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, it's two.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's two. It's a, E. It's a E. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Or.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Or AMC.

[Jim Norton]

Which one was Walking Dead on AMC? That's what I'm thinking of.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

So.

[Jim Florentine]

All right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So realistically, we're talking more like, you know, civil war. War, the government's fallen. Nuclear. Maybe a bomb went off somewhere in the world, shit's fucked. But we have to fight for everything. How long can Jim Norton survive?

[Jim Norton]

I think a while, because I'm. I'm kind of good at thinking on my feet, and I'm kind of good at working my way in and out of situations. And I think I would figure it out. I Mean, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm a survivalist or I'd go out there and kill people, but I think I'm pretty good at connecting and my ex girlfriend told me I'm a really good. What was the worst? When you think of something and make it happen.

What's the, what's the word for that? There's a word for that. Like God damn it, I can't think of it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Think of something and you make it.

[Jim Norton]

You're making something.

There you go. That's the word she used. So I'm not saying I'm good at a manifester. I just think it's because I'm good at following through. So I think I would be okay. I would adjust and figure it out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Cutting a friend's hand off, that gets trapped in something. You're okay with that? You'd be able to do that?

[Jim Norton]

I would prefer to do it actually. I'd prefer just to leave them there. Well, when I bought it, cut their hand off. You have to take care of them.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Drinking your own pee.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, I've done it for. Please.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, cool.

[Jim Norton]

All right.

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

At least nine months.

[Jim Norton]

I've done that in a hotel.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You can, you'll survive nine months.

[Jim Norton]

Sure, I think so.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I get just for time issue. I, I, I don't want to scoot through these last through Hand of Doom. Rat salad. Fairies Wear boots. Yeah, Hand of Doom. I mean this is a rat salad.

[Jim Norton]

Might have just been thrown on there. I'm not sure if they. Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's a jam for sure. But it's, it is a great palette cleanser. But I mean cuz Fairy Wears Boots is, is, I mean we, I think you mentioned that it's like skin. Well, I'll get to that. Hand of Doom. I mean this, what I was saying, this is a dark record and, and you're not getting. It's not like you we were talking about earlier about and preach to and this that they're kind of just telling you what's going on. Yeah. But you know, this is about heroin addiction among Vietnam vets.

Hand of Doom. You've, I mean that's just instant. Then Rat Salad, like I said, is more of a musical version of when a comic just starts doing impressions out of nowhere.

[Jim Norton]

That's right. Yeah. They just threw it in. So I think sometimes they needed enough songs for the record to too. And that might have been one of those where they just like, that's why they named a couple of the things longer or they put in A couple of the weird names. Was it on Black Sabbath? They did that where they just needed a certain amount of cuts for it to be like.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, they do that happens all the time. Where they're just. They. That's what I'm saying. They start filling in. I mean. But that's the thing is that. Is that I don't think. I don't think them adding these jam sessions is taking away from what the record is. That's why this record is great. Great it all. Every song serves the purpose of the song before it and after it. It's not a. It's. Dude, this is not a hard listen. This is a no skip record. And even to end it with Fairies Wear Boots, which I love that. I would love to get the. The different stories from each one of them about this fight. Because it says Ozzy getting into a fight with skinheads. No one in the band seems to agree on what happened. And they all are contradicting one another. I mean, obviously, they're all probably. They were definitely on a lash, for sure.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But it's just, you know, it's just such a great way to end the record. And I mean to come in at. What is it? The album is 41 minutes long. The flies by. I think. In my opinion. I mean, I think. And I'm not trying to say this as just being the. The. The basic of Black Sabbath. I do think this is the better of the three records that we did.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

Did.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Because of the hits and because of the other songs, I do think I might enjoy Master of Reality more like. I think Master of Reality is a better record. But Paranoid is more fun. It's like Paranoid is like the aliens to Master of Reality's Alien. Yeah. Does that make sense?

[Jim Norton]

It does, yeah. And Pat, look. And. And also when you're listening to Paranoid, you know, the songs are good. They're hits for a reason. I mean, they're good songs. Like it. You know, you can't say, I know. War Pigs. I've heard too many times. But it's still a great song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's amazing.

[Jim Norton]

Have you heard Sabotage?

[Josh Adam Myers]

That's a great. I don't think I have.

[Jim Norton]

Listen to Sabotage.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What's it off of?

[Jim Norton]

Sabotage is the record.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, no, no, no. I have it now.

[Jim Norton]

Listen, listen. That's where.

Symptom of the Universe is on. Hole in the sky is on that. You Won't Change Me is on that. She's Gone. That's a great album. And also Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath is a great record.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That was the one that I remember they were going through and asking people what their favorite Sabbath song is or what they song they think sums up what Black Sabbath is. And everybody. I mean, the majority of the people that were being interviewed at that festival were like, Sabbath, bloody Sabbath. Sabbath, buddy. Sabbath. Did anybody cover it that night?

[Jim Norton]

Do you know? I don't know. I don't remember.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Can you pull up. Aj can you pull up the set list of that whole night?

Really? Yeah. Can you pull it up?

[Jim Norton]

Roses? Yes. I mean, you're right. Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Pull up the set list and then we'll.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

We'll.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We'll take a look at that. You know, to end this too. But it's like.

[Jim Norton]

Like it's a great album.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, do you. So you don't feel like they. This is. They've never. They never took a dip.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

You.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You think that while Azie was a part of the group, it just was a constant.

[Jim Norton]

I mean, Technical Ecstasy wasn't as success like the others, but there's some great songs on that too. Again, I love. I love Gypsy, and I love It's. It's All Right. And I love Backstreet Kids. I mean, there's some really good songs on that, on that album. And Never say Die Again, Azie hated that record record. But Never say Die is one of their best songs. Johnny Blade is a great song. Hard Road is a great song. Junior's Eyes, so. Oh, it's right in front of welcome. Oh, that's. Who said.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Is that. That's Guns and Roses.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, it's all right.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Never say Die was Metallica. Oh, no, no, they did never say that. Metallica to Johnny Blade. That's right. Yeah, they did. You never say die.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Wow. Go up, go up to the beginning. Go up, go up all the way to the top real quick. I just want to. And you just. Yeah. So, Macedon. Oh, man, that dude just passed. Rival Sons. Great band. Anthrax. Amazing. Hailstrom. I think she was supposed to come on the podcast. Lamb of God. Lead singers of goddamn MIT scientist. Super group. Who's a super group? Tom and a bunch of other. Nuno.

[Jim Norton]

That's with Dave Draymond, too.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, dude. Nuno, star of the. Like. Like DL. Star of the festival.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. Yeah. He was great.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It's just such a. Yeah. Changes, I mean, was amazing. Alice in Chains. Did fairies wear boots? Yeah. I don't know how to say that band's name. That French band. Under the sun, the drama.

[Jim Norton]

Wait, did I see under the Sun? It's one of my favorite Sabbath songs. It might Be my favorite Sabbath song either. A national acrobat, and I don't know if I saw them do that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Did you miss. Was there anything that you missed that you were like, I can't believe I missed that?

[Jim Norton]

No, because we were doing interviews too, though. Like, so we might have been. I. I might have been back interviewing somebody when they were doing under the Sun. Like, I. I was going running back and forth.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay, good. I was. That, like, worries me that you guys are, like, interviewing, and then you suddenly hear Tool doing Hand of Doom. Run, Run.

[Jim Norton]

No, I did see that. We. Again, we interviewed Adam and Maynard, so I. I knew that they were gonna have a good set. So we did see Tool. It was. They were great.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Who was the best interview? Who would you say was the one that we talked to?

[Jim Norton]

Duff, who. We have talked to him a lot. He's awesome. His wife, too, is. I mean, she's stunning. It's crazy. It's, like, depressing how attractive his wife is.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, I know.

[Jim Norton]

Like, that's a. That's a person that looks like somebody they made in a lab.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, well. And then their kids are even gorgeous because look at him and look at her. They both have their book.

[Jim Norton]

Worse.

[Josh Adam Myers]

He's 6, 7 and heroin. Still skinny.

[Jim Norton]

That's crazy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, smart and built. Worth millions, dude. Starbucks, all that he invested in. Super smart, very smart. God damn.

[Jim Norton]

But Duff is great. He's always a fun guy to talk to. I think Phil and Rex, were. They my friend.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I don't know.

[Jim Norton]

It was interesting to talk to Maynard. I'd never talked to him before.

[Josh Adam Myers]

He loves comedy.

[Jim Norton]

Adam does, too.

[Josh Adam Myers]

So out of everybody there, he's the one that probably. Probably knew you. No, no, Adam did. Maynard didn't. Yeah, no, Maynard loves comedy.

[Jim Norton]

I don't know if Maynard didn't, but Adam really did. He was like, oh, I love your stuff.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And Hadfield did. We didn't interview him. Rex. I've interviewed before, so I don't know if Phil did or not. We. Oh, you know what? No, Phil didn't. We. We saw Phil, like, in the backstage area, and his girlfriend, I think, told him what these guys are comedians. So he just came over, started talking to me in Florentine about comedy, and, you know. You know how it is. But when you're out there, they'll always talk to comics because it's just. It's just different.

[Josh Adam Myers]

They love it, dude. They're. They want to do. They're. You know, Phil might seem like a goddamn on stage, but he's still a Funny guy.

[Jim Norton]

He's a funny dude. Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And they love. It's all of them. They all are just, they want to.

[Jim Norton]

Do what we do.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We want to do what they do. I mean, dude, how great would it be to be able to do all our old jokes from your first special or whatever and just, just live off that like, and never have to write another thing? And, and I think there's, there's just that emotion that gets brought up via music and comedy where it's just, you know, the high of our performance, which is why most of us are all either drug addicts or post drug addicts. Same thing with them. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's every, every rock star I've ever met, once they find out you're a comic, it's like, oh my God, it's like, do you know this guy? This guy? Blah, blah, blah. And they'll just talk their. That's how I became friends with Wolf Mother on a goddamn playing.

[Jim Florentine]

If they.

[Jim Norton]

Because they always want to like the idea that they'll, they'll always say, like, that's me. I can't believe you stand there with no instruments or anything. It's just you.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Like, you know, I mean, so they have at least a respect for it that actors don't totally. You know, the rock stars don't throw comics under the bus. When we say something, actors act like they're upset.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

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[Josh Adam Myers]

Kiss bags. Oh, all right. I'm getting a lot of people to do this before we do the final questions. And dude, I know how, how busy you are, so I really appreciate you coming. No, but I know, but this was like, like it, this was like. I wanted. It was like, you. And then I wanted to build off that. And so since we couldn't get everybody to get in one recording, before I do the final questions, I'm asking everybody, like, what is it about Ozzy and what it is about Black Sabbath that makes them so special? The reason why they. That it is the world. It was like, dude, we lost an energy that was so powerful that I never even realized it, unfortunately, until he was gone. Like, what, what is it? What was the thing? Why do so many of the coolest rock stars love this band?

[Jim Norton]

Part of it is, I think they were the first really dark band. Like, I can't think of anybody that. The riffs were very heavy. The things they sang about were dark. I think that's a part of it too, is they. They had that really, that cool thing in rock music, which Is like, you know, they were not devil worshipers, but it was misinterpreted. But that aura of. Of being like this, you know, the black magic. I think Sabbath did that first. The riffs were heavy and people just connected to Ozzy because of how he was on stage. I think there was something about him being imperfect. Like, you know, Ozzy was in flawed and imperfect. There was something about that which a lot of fans knew. You know, I mean anyone who's a fan heard him interviewed a thousand times. We knew he was, you know, but most of people didn't discover that till the Osbornes long after Sabbath was broken up. But I think that's a big part of it too. That's why Oz. Ozzy. Like I saw Lars interviewed one time and he was saying like, you know, like, with all due respect to Iommi, he's like, most people didn't watch Iommi and go, that's my boy. You know, it was. Ozzy was the guy that they would just connect to. And it's probably because he connected so well with the audience. I mean nobody was better with talking to the audience and screaming at the audience and engaging with the audience. So I think that was a big part of it too.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I think there is, you know, it was.

[Jim Norton]

Why.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Why people. I'm not comparing them at all, but like why everybody loves the. The. The Gallagher brothers is that they're from a working class town.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Josh Adam Myers]

They had thing and they built it up. I think Aussies. He should have never been a rock star. He should have never been a millionaire. He should have been working in a goddamn steel mill, you know, in some place in worker shear Warwickshire, England. And. And when we. That was a perfect way to say it is that he really. All of his flaws are out there. They've always been out there. He's never shied away from it. He also had a, you know, a very up and down tragic life. You know what I mean? Lost, you know, Brandon Ross, Randy, you know, just drugs. Just completely just like could have killed him. Over and over and over. The accusations, going to jail, all this stuff, you know, and. And luckily, you know, he was. He was very lucky to find someone like Sharon that really.

[Jim Norton]

She saved him. People who knocked Sharon drive me crazy. It's like. I know, I understand people look at the manager, but she wasn't making him work. He wanted to work Ozzy like being on stage.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And she kicked him in the ass. Ass once in a while. Well, too bad. He was laying in the hotel with a. On a Pizza box on his chest. Yeah, like he was gonna kill himself. And she went in and she tough talked him and got him going like, you know what I mean? Like, she doesn't get. She has to get that credit because it's the truth. I remember when it happened and when you, you know, people were like, oh, she's killing them. It's like, shut the up. She. Look, he stayed relevant for 50 years.

[Josh Adam Myers]

He would have been for. I hate to say he would have been, Been forgotten, but, you know, he links up with her in what, 82. He gets kicked out of no. 79, but they get married in 82. Yeah, but, but, but to go on to that, he gets fired from the band 79 in 79. And that could have been it. It could have just. He would have put on a record and then that could have just whatever. But I mean, she helped build that character for the Prince of Darkness. But then it was also like there was a. There was a. It wasn't just the dark and the, the rock and roll. It was. He. He really was a great father. He really loved the people he played with. I think he, you know, he. He obviously, you know, loved the bands that. And he loved helping different bands which. Ozfest. I mean, that was a. That was an incredible festival. Like, really was like. Not like Lollapalooza, all that, but it was like finally a festival for the people that love hard rock in an era when, you know, it was. It was in and out and it was like rock and roll's kind of turning gay a little bit bit. And you know, you're getting the Strokes in Interpol. Like, he really did something.

That I. It sucks that it's. That it's over now, but look, people like Slipknot have kind of taken and done not fest. It's just. It's really. He really is a special person.

[Jim Norton]

He couldn't get into Laapalooza. They didn't want Aussie. That's why they did Oz.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Is that true?

[Jim Norton]

That's why they did it. Those dumb didn't want Aussies, so they started Ozfest. And he was never afraid of going on after. Great band. I saw Oz in 80. I think it was 83. When Motley Crue, the Devil, was his opening band. It was the hottest band in the country. I saw a Metallica tour within the next year, I think on the Ride the Lightning tour twice. I mean, he didn't. He followed and he said Motley Crue would ask, do you mind if we use pyrotechnics? And he's like, I don't care if you set fire to yourselves. He didn't give a. What the opening band did. He didn't give a. I love that. Like. And it was like. It was. It was like the quintessential guy who's just going to go up and do his thing. He's not afraid to follow anybody. Yeah, he did help a lot of bands.

[Jim Florentine]

A lot of.

[Jim Norton]

A lot of great young bands that he would. He would close and go ahead, do what the fuck you want. I don't care.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You know, he really did. I mean, Icefest was. Was a. I mean, the one year that I went was fucking phenomenal. And I'm really bummed I didn't get to go to that concert. But, man, like, I'm so glad you got to come in to finish out the. The trifecta of these records.

[Jim Norton]

What number is this on the list?

[Josh Adam Myers]

This is 131. Okay, this is. So we're in the thick. But hold on, let me double check one math thing because I want to see if this is still on, because this is from the 2012 list. Hold on. So. Black Sabbath eventually earned significant accolades. Paranoid, cited as one of the greatest albums of all time and a key work in everybody history. The band has sold over 70 million records worldwide. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. And last year, not this past one, but the year before he was inducted finally, which was great.

It really is, man. Like, that's shocking that it took that long.

[Jim Norton]

I'm still not in. I mean, Ronnie James Dio, who's an amazing voice, sang with Rainbow, on his own with Sabbath. I mean, how is Dio not.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Did you like. Did you like the Dio?

[Jim Norton]

Sabbath loved it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Did you really?

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, because you're truly.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Man, you love it.

[Jim Norton]

It was. Because on the other side, you had Dire of a Madman, you had Blizzard of Oz, you had. Which is Speak of the Devil, which is the greatest fucking knee chop of all time. To get that out before Sabbath's live album came out. I think that they. They. Because they wanted to do a live album with Randy's music, but I think Ozzy said he wouldn't put anything with the devil and Randy in it because Randy had just died. So they went and they just. With Brad Gillis, they did a couple gigs, did all these live albums, and they came out and they cut Sabbath's legs out because they put Ozzy doing these Sabbath songs out before Sabbath's Live Evil came out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

I think it was 83 yeah, but they did A Symptom of the Universe. They did Paranoid. They did Warp It. They did all the, you know, fairies were boots. It was great. So, yeah, I love them both. I didn't. I didn't get into the thick of the arguing between them. I just knew that. Fucking Neon Nights is a great song. I mean, Children of the Sea is a great song. Fucking Falling off the Edge of the World is a great song. Mob Rules. I mean, fucking country girl off of Mob Rules, so I. I didn't need to choose.

[Josh Adam Myers]

All right, well, what's better. What's better? Do Sabbath or Hager Halen?

[Jim Norton]

I'm gonna go with Dio Savage.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Really?

[Jim Norton]

I don't care. I. I actually, we did talk to Sammy, too. He's another one we interviewed. I like Sammy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

He was there. Was he, at the thing?

[Jim Norton]

Oh, yeah, he sang. He went up and sang.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Did he really? I love him, man.

[Jim Norton]

He's a great guy.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Enjoying his money, fun life.

[Jim Norton]

He's on a beach, sand in his toes, he's drunk.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But.

[Jim Norton]

But, yeah, I didn't care about Van Helen at all. Like, again, I. I like David the Roth. I think the band was a good band.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

But, yeah, I love Dio. Sabbath. I prefer Aussie Sabbath, obviously. I mean.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Obviously. Yes. But I love that you. You didn't just go, nah, man. You were like, all right, let me try this out. And Dio is a rock star.

[Jim Norton]

Great record for me.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It really is. It really is. I got into him very late in life, but I. I've. I've fallen in love with him.

[Jim Norton]

Rainbow in the Dark is one of the best metal songs of all time.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, God, yeah, dude.

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Him.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I love those. I love that, as Jay would call, like, grab rock, which is like, the hands out, and it's like, w. You almost like you're grabbing at the energy of the world. Him, Bruce Dickinson from Iron Maiden. I mean, they put on incredible shows. It's ridiculous. He's got fire vision with flame arms, and there's a plane coming down out of the middle of the thing. And I mean, Metallica is like a pubic hair away from that with the. Like. They. I don't know if I didn't see them in the round, but when I saw them at outside lands, they had, like, planes kind of. Yeah, it was a little. It was very Iron Maideny, not in a bad way, but it's like, I get it. I mean, you gotta mask Lars's shitty drumming somehow. And so why not get a plane above the stage?

[Jim Norton]

Motorhead would do that. Too. With Bomber, which they would close with Bomber Summer, which is such a great song. I might be my favorite Motorhead song. And then the plane would be over them, and it would just be kind of turning a little bit.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Do you have any Lemmy stories? Because we. I feel like everybody. I just met him at the Rainbow many times with my friend Eric and Rebecca, who do meth Syndicate. And he really was playing that Kino game, just like they said, sitting in the same seat. And, you know, it's like everybody has, like, a.

Andy Dick story in Hollywood, and everybody has probably a Lemmy's story.

[Jim Norton]

I didn't know. I got to know Lemmy because he. When I was on, I did a show on HBO called Down and Dirty with Jim. I remember that we only did four episodes, but there was some good comics on there. I mean, we had a head. We had, like, comics up and coming, like Whitney and Jeselnick, Jim Jeffries. And then every. Every show would have a closer bill. Closed one, Patrice closed one. Artie Lang and Dice were the four episodes, and Lemmy was the. We wanted just Lemmy on the show. He was the music director. We just had that. That. And it was like, we want Lemmy involved. I don't give a how. And we are. The road crew was the theme music from the. From the show. And I got to shoot the opening with Lenny. With Lemmy. With Lenny. And we were. We were. No, we. We got to ride from. We had done something, and we took a. We had filmed one of the episodes that we had to go shoot the opening in the city. Yeah. So we hopped in a limo. It was me and Lemmy, and my manager was sitting across from. From us, and he goes, I'll play the new record for you. So we're in the back listening to Runaround Man. I'm just sitting next to Lemmy in a limousine listening to his new. I mean, nothing.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Cream dream.

[Jim Norton]

Dude. It really was. It was unbelievable. So he was very cool with me because I got to know him a little bit from that, and he kind of liked what I did, and I. I loved him.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Probably Hustle didn't have to do anything to be the music director and got paid. Very, very fun. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah. We just walked up the. That was the side right by the comedy seller and was just hanging out with Lemmy, and all these people were recognizing Lemmy, and a lot of them, what a fat idiot I was.

But I was just so happy to have Lemmy involved.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, I mean, dude, you've Had. Dude, you've had such an incredible career, man.

[Jim Norton]

It's been fun, really.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean, we don't. We don't take enough time to like, sit back and just. So, man, like, the cool that you get to do, just the fact that you get to go and all the rock stars you grew up loving, especially, like, this is your favorite band and it's like, you got to be there at the thing. You've spent time with them. Like, a lot of people don't get to do that.

[Jim Norton]

I have the greatest Sabbath fan picture of all time. Nobody will get a better Sabbath fan picture than I have at the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Yeah, I mean.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, you talked about that. You send that to us before, probably can you send it to us again? So we'll post it on this one.

[Jim Norton]

Got to hang out with. With Lemmy. I. I got a bullet with some of his ashes in them from his manager, Todd, who is just a crazy. Who is a great guy. Yeah, I've been very fortunate. I mean, the one thing I didn't get to do and rest in peace to the great Ace Freely, I was. I was lobbying very hard because Trump is going to honor KISS at the Kennedy Center. The original four guys. And it's all. I literally refute, turned a gig down. I'm like, I have to get a photo with the four of them. I don't give a fuck what gig I turned down. So my manager was trying to, you know, this and that, and then Ace died. So it's like, no, I'm not going.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, that was a. That was. That was a tough.

[Jim Norton]

He fell, man. It's terrible.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, that was tough, man. That was. It's really like he. And it finally seems like he's getting, you know, the, the, the. Not just a kudos, but it's like. I know that that has been such a weird, you know, Ace and it's just a very, like, this is such a weird band. Like, the dynamics of it. And. And it's like he's. He's such. He's just as important as any of any of the other members, if not more like. Even though, you know.

[Jim Norton]

Paul, Paul, Peter.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, yeah. Are all like, basically the faces of it, but it's like Ace was just like the heart and soul. Beth. I mean, Beth.

[Jim Norton]

I mean. Well, that's Peter. I mean, Peter, Peter, Peter. Oh, my God. Yeah, I thought.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I thought that was.

[Jim Norton]

Ace sang Shock Me. He sang Rocket Man. He sang New York Groove. A rocket man. Rocket Ride. Rocket Man. Yeah. Rocket Ride was on Alive Too. It was like one of the five studio songs in the back.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And. And New York Rue is a massive. It's funny how some of their biggest song, I mean Rock and Roll All Night, of course. But Beth was I think the biggest single. They had Peter saying that. And the closing song was always rock, was always Black diamond, which I love. And Peter sang like so Peter had, I think at the end of the night Peter did the last two songs he would do. They would usually come out and do their encores. Beth was one of the encores. And then, then Rock and Roll and then Black Diamond I. Both of them, I think, are better songs in Rock and Roll All Night.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We did Destroyer. That was the first.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, what a great record that is.

[Josh Adam Myers]

King of the Outside. Was it?

[Jim Norton]

Night King of the Nighttime World.

Great song, man. It's a great. And Detroit Rock City is an amazing song. I like, I like a Great Expectations is a great song off that record.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And Flaming you Youth. So good, man. Such a great record.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That was a band I've slept on for years. And then, and then be able to see that first show at the Whiskey and it's just amazing. All right, let's get you out of here.

[Jim Norton]

Thank you for having me. I love talking about Sabbath.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I, I, I. It sucks that like I want to get you on for a different record, but a different band. Coming up. We're getting into like the thick of the thick now. So we're really.

[Jim Norton]

I imagine Kiss won't be on any of these. We're only.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I think we did the final Kiss. We did two Kiss records. Birds.

[Jim Norton]

Well, let me guess. The Destroyer.

[Jim Florentine]

Of course.

[Jim Norton]

You just said that.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That was early on. That was like deep in the high fours.

[Jim Norton]

It should have been way better than that. It's a great. Let me see. The other was alive. The other. Oh, they're both okay.

[Jim Florentine]

Which.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Which in my opinion was such a great record to capture and because like the whole story about it how they were not getting any. Like they were just like not breaking as big as they should and everybody's like, dude, it's their live show. It's their live show. And so they do this show and then they also still re record some of the parts on the. But that's the album that captures what they do perfectly and that's what makes them this huge enormous band. And I think cuz, dude, it's the same with them. It's like, dude, the first Black Sabbath record's amazing. But this is the record that of course is going to take Someone like my dad who is in, like, a jazz fan and a vocal group to go, oh, I heard Iron man, or I heard this. And it's like, oh, I've heard of that band. Or I've heard of Beyonce because of this. It's. You need that one thing. And I think Kiss just had to figure it out. And once they did, you know, look at them now. I mean, dude, it's. It's like they're. They're never getting the respect to Rolling Stone. The fact that they're on this list is like Rock and Roll hall of Fame.

[Jim Norton]

So annoying.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, dude, I'm only doing this because I needed a list. Rock and Roll hall of Fame is a dip thing. Like, the fact that. That we. They had to fight to get Warren Zon on, like, like, it's insane. And. And that's what I'm saying is, like, they don't get the respect that they deserve. And yet it's just like society. And all the other artists are like, dude, you gotta like, Hundred Thousand Years.

[Jim Norton]

Is a great song off the first record they did do. That's where Peter would do his drum solo. And Alive is great. I mean, Deuce is a phenomenal song. It's a great opening. So when you saw that. When you see them. When they. When it came back in 96, I think Jeff Ross and I went to see them, but, like, they. Their first shows, I think were in LA or Detroit. And you listen to the open. I think they opened with Deuce. It was so good. I mean, even in 96, they were killer. It was after 17 years of not being together.

[Josh Adam Myers]

The Whiskey show, was it.

[Jim Norton]

Was that the original four? Or was Tommy and Eric there? Was it Ace, Peter, Paul, Jean, or was it only three of them?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Aj, can you look that up?

[Jim Norton]

I never met all of them. What year was it? I'll tell you.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It was 2000, February of 2019.

[Jim Norton]

That was Tommy and Eric. That's not Ace and Peter.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Because what had happened was there was a guy that was a door guy. Not Door. He was a. He was a door guy at the Whiskey. That was like an open mic comic. He saw me and Bill went to go see Steven Adler at the Whiskey. He was doing, like, Adler's Guns N Roses or whatever, which, by the way, Bill will say he still reminds me of this. He goes, I've never seen. When I met Stephen Adler, the drummer of Roses, he goes. When he. He was like, yeah, I'm a hugger. And I went into hell, dug him. And I nestled my head and like, closed my eyes the sweetest way.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Bill's just dying because it was like, dude, it's like all the history of that dude. It was like, oh, man. Like. Like, I love appetite, and just, oh, you. You should have been bigger and blah, blah, blah. And it just. It was like real love. And so that guy that worked there knew that Kiss was coming. They were doing a serious thing. And he goes. He goes, do you and Bill want to go? And I say, bill, do you want to go? And Bill's like, I hate Kiss. So I'm like, okay, well, I'll go. Yeah.

[Jim Norton]

And.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And I got there super early, and I go to the VIP area, and the dude says, listen, just act busy, because the serious people are going to think you work at the Whiskey, and the Whiskey people are going to think you work for serious, so just hang loose. I got there, like, three hours before the show, and then next thing you know, I'm in the VIP and it fills up, and like, I said, I knew Destroyer, and that's it. I had only done that record on the podcast, and it was just amazing. I mean, it's like, you. How can you not get caught up in the theatrics? And Paul just, like, come on. And like, his voice.

[Jim Norton]

His voice was still great.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Still great. And it's just. They're rock stars, dude. And I think that's that thing. It's the same I said about Tori Amos earlier. It's like, I'm not a fan of her music. I see her live and I'm like, that just blew me away. So either. Either I like it or either a good performance or a bad performance. You can't deny that. The Kills it.

[Jim Norton]

I was interviewing. We were doing. On a. We were doing Kirk Hammett one time, was promoting something, something, and he was in studio. And then Gene came in, in makeup, because Kiss, like, was the. They were there promoting. They were all doing different shows, and Paul came in at one point. It was just great to see Kirk Hammett kind of like, just so even other rock stars, sure. When they're dressed, they're giant. Like, they're seven feet tall in their fights. Like, watch. It's like Frankenstein walking into the room.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jim Norton]

They're wearing the boots and they're like. Like made up. And you can't not go like, this is a rock star. You can't not feel that way. So I always like watching guys respond to the guys that they love.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Oh, my God.

[Jim Norton]

It was fun to watch.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I gotta ask this before we do the Final questions. I'm sorry we keep making longer, but what is serious from working in serious in years you've had that opportunity. Who is. Because I know sometimes it'll be like, hey, you're doing the show. Oh, my God. Do you want to talk to this person real quick? Like, has. Have you. Who has been the person that, like, so like, a producer's running and go, hey, dude, this person's in studio.

[Jim Norton]

Do you want to talk? We had. We did Rogan in studio, actually, when this happened, I went out and grabbed Marion Barry, the D.C. mayor. No, dude was going to my mayor. He was going into Sway and I snatched him and we had him for a while. It was very uncomfortable.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What? Wait, why?

[Jim Norton]

He seems cool. Like, he was, but Joe was asking about a crack pipe.

And we also got. Who do we get like that Roger Daltrey.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We got, like, that's awesome.

[Jim Norton]

Very last minute, very embarrassing. Want to talk to. Yeah, I would love to. We would pick off guests like that. Once in a while we would find out, hey, could you get so and so in here? And then once in a while it would work.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Why did you get Mary and Barry?

[Jim Norton]

Dude, Mary rules.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I. Dude, it's like you gotta ease into the bathtub with the crack questions.

[Jim Norton]

I know, but we only had it for two minutes.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I know. That's a Rogan thing. Rogan's gonna go right in.

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[Josh Adam Myers]

Right in, right in. All right. So Rolling Stone list ranked this record 100 greatest metal albums of all time in 2017. This is now on the 2020 list. Number 139. So it actually dropped eight spots on the 2020 list. But the fact that it's still on there, I'm curious if the original Sabbath and Masters of Reality are still on it. I'll. I'll fill everybody in in the intro and outro. Final questions we ask everybody. I love you. Thank you so much for coming.

[Jim Norton]

I love doing it.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Favorite song on the record. Is it Electric Funeral? Okay, is.

[Joey Diaz]

Is.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Is there anything you. Is a no skip, or do you. Is there anything that you skip?

[Jim Norton]

No. I mean, it depends on. Like, a lot of times I'll skip from album to album. But no would listen. I probably wouldn't listen to Rat Salad unless it was just on. Like, I wouldn't seek out Rat Salad. And I would have to. If I was to listen to Planet Caravan, I would have to be in the mood. Like, if I'm driving, I wouldn't listen to Planet Caravan. If I'm home relaxing, I would listen to Planet Caravan.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Rank the three records that we've done. Paranoid, Master Reality, back Sabbath in that on your favorite to least my favorite.

[Jim Norton]

Would be Master Reality and then Paranoid, then Black Sabbath. But it's, it's really. It's literally like. I understand what it was like in Sophie's Choice. Like that's what that feels like. I mean, you're gonna kill one of them, I guess. I guess.

[Josh Adam Myers]

But oh, Mary, kill Mary. So you're marrying Master of Reality, you're paranoid and you're killing blacks out.

[Jim Norton]

I know. I can't even say that. I would say. I would say marry him and kill myself.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Okay.

[Jim Norton]

Just kind of go out on a good note.

[Josh Adam Myers]

God damn, dude. All right. Have you to this record. I bet you have.

[Jim Norton]

No, I don't to music ever does nothing for me. I. I do. You kidding me? Who wants to. What's the When Children of the Grave is on. You can't to to Paranoid or Iron Man.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I mean this wouldn't be the record that I would too.

[Jim Norton]

I don't to any music, I think really. Oh, I don't want you to know. You guys exactly. Sound of the money coming out of my wallet.

[Josh Adam Myers]

And I feel like you said it already, but like, what would be be your mission statement to get someone to listen to this record in particular? Like, how would you. How would you sum it up to get somebody that's never heard Black Sabbath?

[Jim Norton]

This is the record that gets non Sabbath fans to become Sabbath fans. This is the one that will open the door to the other stuff. Like my. One of my greatest accomplishments was getting Ben Bailey obsessed with Black Sabbath because he hadn't really listened to Sabbath. I think Paranoid was the one. And I'm like, all right, now you got to get this. Now you got. And he did. And he went to act the list. He became a huge savage.

[Josh Adam Myers]

You can't not get behind this band. I mean, it's, it's, it's interesting that like we did Master first and then Black and then this. And for me to still listen to Master and be like, oh, man. Yeah, like, like this. This rules. It's like you definitely. If you are not a metal fan, I completely agree. And you're just like, what is Black Sabbath about? You got to start with this.

[Jim Norton]

Have you listened to Volume four? I. I don't think I've come.

[Josh Adam Myers]

That's no great record. I've listened to a couple tracks off of it. But because that's got.

[Jim Norton]

That's under the sun is on that one.

This, that's a. That's a Great one. That's a great. Is Tomorrow's Dream and volume.

Changes. Changes, yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Do you hate it or do you like that? A lot of Sabbath fans hate it.

[Jim Norton]

It's great song.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I love it.

[Jim Norton]

I just prefer She's Gone off Technical Ecstasy. As far as, like. As far as that type of a song goes. I. I just like Ozzy's vocals on She's Gone so much. But yeah, you should listen to. Listen under the Sun's a great tune, I would say. I would recommend that to any non Sabbath fan Under the sun. And then listen to National Acrobat off Sabbath. Bloody Sabbath.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I love it. Promote away. What do you got coming up? Where can they find you?

[Jim Norton]

Just gigs. Jimnorton.com and. And my. My Jim Norton comedy on YouTube. My special is called Unconscious Conceivable. So, no, it's not inconceivable. It's unconceivable. So people seem to like it. So check it out.

[Josh Adam Myers]

If you haven't seen Jim live, go see him. If you're in New York, see him at the Comedy Salary Tuesdays.

[Jim Florentine]

Every.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Every night.

[Jim Norton]

Every night except Sunday. Well, when I'm in town.

[Josh Adam Myers]

When he's in town. But. But you don't. You do an hour once a week or.

[Jim Norton]

Once a week. I do what usually Wednesdays, I'll do my hour at the Fat Black Cat.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, if you go see him anyway. But dude, we got to get you a different band. We have to.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Josh Adam Myers]

We have now closed the chapter. You're the Phil Hanley of Black Sabbath with him and the Dead. Yeah, he did him. And the only other person that did it was Senator Al Franken.

[Jim Norton]

Which one did he do?

[Josh Adam Myers]

American Beauty or Working Man's Blues? Because. Because he did everything. Hanley did everything but one of the records. Which was. Which was. What's his face?

[Jim Norton]

Al Franken. Likes the dick.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Loves him. Oh, he was. Actually. I was going to quit the podcast and he was one that told me not to.

[Jim Norton]

Why are you going to quit it?

[Josh Adam Myers]

Because Spotify paid me a lot of money and then they stopped paying me. And then we had to rebuild it and so we got to a place where it was like. It just was. Dude, it's a. It's been. You know, I can't quit now. I'm at 131. I have like two and a half years.

[Jim Norton]

How long you been doing it?

[Josh Adam Myers]

October 31, 2018. We haven't missed a week.

[Jim Florentine]

Oh.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, you kind of do. Do the week by week. You don't bank or bank them or.

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We We.

[Josh Adam Myers]

No, we do. We have. It just. It just depends. It's just like some weeks we get. Or some months we get far ahead. Yeah. And then some. And then I go out of town or I go and do something. Or some weeks it's just like this. Like we waited because we want. Like I wanted to do. I love that it's you because I wanted you in particular and then I wanted to try to get other people.

[Jim Norton]

Sure.

[Josh Adam Myers]

It just didn't work and I wanted to do a live thing. It just didn't work. So. So it's like, you know, even now I'm like getting the clips from Tom and Joe and Burr. They're all sending that in. And it's just. My editors would prefer if we had this two weeks ago. Of course sometimes we're doing in the last minute. But also it's a guest wise. It's like I don't wanted some shitty guest.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah, you want and what you want, who you want.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I want. I want good people. And it's like. And that's tough. And it's just, it's. It's. You know, I'm not going to stop. I don't know what the. I'm going to do May 31, 2028, the next week after that when the show's done. But. All right.

[Jim Norton]

Oh, that's right, 28.

[Josh Adam Myers]

Yeah, you get. That'll be last one. Dude. Dude, I love it. Thank you so much for coming.

[Jim Norton]

Thanks, Josh.

[Josh Adam Myers]

I can't thank you enough, brother.

[Jim Norton]

Loved it.

[Joey Diaz]

What's happening? Beautiful people. Uncle Joey Diaz here. I want to talk to you about the album Paranoid and Black Sabbath. I picked up my first Black Sabbath album maybe when I was 13 and it was called Paranoid. I didn't know what to expect. I just knew about War Pigs and the rest of the album blew my mind. From Paranoid, the Hand of Doom to, you know, Electric Funeral. I mean it was just. I didn't know what to do. I'd never smoked pot before, but when I heard that album, I started smoking pot. And after that, a couple years later, maybe a year or two later, my mother passed away and I was in a weird way. And at that point I collected like three Sabbath albums. I think I had Paranoid Master Reality, which scared the shit out of me and Sabotage. And I grew up on Zeppelin, the Stone, Skynyrd, Sabbath was it in my world after that it was it. Until this day when I'm gonna do some stand up comedy and I want to stab a in the neck and I want to get fired up. I Play War Pigs over and over and over again. And as far as Ozzy, come on man. That guy was it. Okay. I followed him from 77. First time I seen him was 78. I was 15. And when I left there there I knew a couple things about life. Well, I didn't know a couple things about life but when I left there I knew Ozzy Osborne was my all time favorite. So take that to the bank. As far as I'm concerned, Black Sabbath are the kings and Ozzy Osbourne is the real master. Reality. Happy holidays, Uncle Joey dears. Stay black.

[Josh Adam Myers]

What did I tell you? What did I tell you? The one and only Jim Norton. Follow him on Instagram at Jim Norton Norton. His website is jim norton.com. check him out on tour, see him at the comedy seller. He is a gift to the world that just keeps on giving. And I love you man. I really, I really so it's every time I see him, we literally live like a block away from one another and we run into each other at the Starbucks. I won't tell you where. Big shout out to Joey Diaz. Big shout out to Jim Florentine. Big shout out to Bill Burr. Big shout out to out to Tom Aillo. They all rule. It's a great episode either way. Just shows you how important.

The music is and how much we've grown up with and how much we love.

[Jim Norton]

Yeah.

[Josh Adam Myers]

For new music this week, I am going to supersede the selection because one of my closest friends in Canada, Mr. Eric Novak, asked me a while ago to put his song who? I love this dude. I love this dude. He's one of the most talented musicians I know. And. And so I'm like, dude, he plays guitar for me every single time we're in Canada. I fly him down here if I could. But his band is called Following Days. The song is called In Attend. The EP name is the cure and the Curse. He is a brilliant rock star. Support him. We'll put the links in the thing. We'll give him a shout out via distro. Kid. We love you Eric. Thank you so much. Check out his next week. We got television, Marquis Moon. Why is it important? Morty will explain it to all of us or at least to me and then I'll pass it on to you. It's coming in at 1:30. Thanks guys. We'll see you then. Oh, hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I should have said that right off the jump. Love you guys.

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[Josh Adam Myers]

You test my faith Filling a prophecy.

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That I intend to break.

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[Jim Norton]

Tell me what you think.

[Musician/Doug (from Liberty Mutual ad)]

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I didn't love myself. I can love myself. I'm Doug.

[Jim Norton]

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[Josh Adam Myers]

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[Joey Diaz]

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