Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: CNN Presents – All Over the Map: Desert Demographics: Arizona in Play
Host: John King
Date: September 16, 2024
Topic: Exploration of Arizona’s pivotal role as a swing state in the 2024 Presidential Election, through in-depth conversations with actual Arizona voters, vivid analysis of the state’s demographic changes, and the broader implications these have for national politics and voter sentiment.

Episode Overview

John King returns with a field-report style episode, diving deep into what makes Arizona such a critical—and unpredictable—battleground in the 2024 presidential race. The episode centers on candid, ground-level conversations with two distinctly different Arizona voters: Melissa Cordero, an energized progressive veteran, and Ray Flores, an independent and business owner fatigued by politics. Their perspectives illuminate both the promises and perils of demographic shift, polarization, and the so-called “shrinking middle” in Arizona.

“This is presidential election number 10 for me. And it just keeps getting less and less like anything that's come before it. … When you look at the polls, look at the demographics, it is clear things are changing in Arizona.” – John King (00:00)

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Arizona: The Ultimate Swing State

• Historical context: Arizona, traditionally GOP since 1952 (except 1996 & 2020), is rapidly diversifying, suburbanizing, and becoming more highly educated—traits that typically advantage Democrats.

• Question at stake: Is Arizona’s recent blue turn a blip or a permanent flip?

  “Was it a blip or was it a flip? ... Is Arizona trending, is the map changing?” – John King (23:56)

• Demographic transformations: In-migration, especially into Phoenix and Tucson, and significant growth in minority and suburban populations.

• The state’s electorate is described as a “political puzzle,” highly competitive and unpredictable.

Melissa Cordero: From Trump Voter to Harris Advocate

Profile:

• 40-year-old Air Force veteran and Arizona transplant.
• Runs progressive veterans group “Common Defense.”
• Trump supporter in 2020 for business reasons, now firmly backing Kamala Harris after Biden’s departure from the ticket.

Evolved stance:

• Shifted from reluctant Biden backer (“likely Biden voter but open to third party”) to enthusiastic Harris supporter following Biden stepping aside.

• Observes a surge of grassroots energy since Harris became the nominee.

  “I feel this shift of energy in the places that I’m organizing in and fighting in, and I think that’s what we need right now. ... I appreciate that Biden stepped down.” – Melissa (04:08)

• Motivators:

  • Reproductive rights as a top issue—Arizona’s upcoming ballot initiatives on reproductive freedom are energizing progressive and moderate voters.
  • Desire for local and national policies that address working-class struggles (affordable housing, jobs, rent control).
  • Active rejection of MAGA/reactionary veteran stereotypes.

• On Harris’s identity: Not much intra-group concern about America being ready for a woman of color as president; focus remains on policy and fit.

  “A lot of the conversations that I’m still in is just who’s best fit. …I think it’s important [that Harris is a Black woman]” – Melissa (05:41)

• Campaign energy: Notable uptick since Harris nomination—more events, volunteer interest, and organizing compared to under Biden.

• On election denial: Feels Arizona is a laboratory for election conspiracy, but her focus is on candidates she sees as reality-based and pro-veteran.

• Optimism: Extremely confident in a Harris win in Arizona.

  “I think Harris is gonna win.” – Melissa (09:18)
  “That's a 10. You're that confident?” – John King
  “I'm feeling confident, and I guess I'm basing that off of what I'm willing to do for it and what I think others are, too.” – Melissa (09:21)

Ray Flores: The Disillusioned Independent

Profile:

• Owner-operator of a renowned Tucson restaurant (El Charo).

• Registered independent, “a true independent,” with deep skepticism about both parties and national politics.

• Symbolizes the “price of polarization.”

  “There are people in both parties that I trust ... And there are people on the top of the hill that I don't.” – Ray Flores (11:15)

Key perspectives:

• Overwhelmed and frustrated by negative, destructive campaign messaging (“Let’s humiliate the other one. Let’s destroy the other one. … It’s humiliation. It’s destruction.” – 11:55).

• Laments how Americans and politicians have come to expect or demand “superheroes” instead of real, flawed people; sees this as toxic and unproductive.

  “Why can’t we just look at them as people? … If you can’t vote for a person, who are you voting for? This superhero that’s going to fix everything or destroy everything.” – Ray (12:00)

• Considers third-party voting due to lack of trust in the major party candidates.

• Finds trust mainly at local level, with those with whom he has personal relationships (e.g., Sen. Mark Kelly, Rep. Juan Ciscomani), not the “unknowable” ambitious national players.

• Views political system as rigged for money, influence, and “winning at any cost.”

• Feels disconnected as a small business owner from a system that rewards big tech/wealthy companies (e.g., guest worker programs for tech, but not for restaurants).

  “No matter who wins, I’m still going to have to make payroll every week. … I’m not willing to be that person. I’m not willing to win at that cost.” – Ray (14:06)

• Immigration: Nuanced view, advocates for pragmatic, balanced solutions (border security with guest worker programs)—frustrated that neither party is addressing the real-world, ground-level issues he and other Arizona business owners face.

• On national discourse: Local conversations are more nuanced, respectful, practical compared to the polarizing rhetoric from DC.

• **May opt for a third-party candidate unless personally convinced otherwise as election nears.

  “Probably pick that one [Libertarian Party]. So if you had to vote today, you'd probably vote third party.” – Ray (13:16)

Analysis & Reflections from John King & Team

On Polarization and Voter Exhaustion:

• Ray is “exhibit A” of the price of polarization—a highly engaged, capable community member who feels locked out of meaningful participation by the national political climate.

  “He's thinking about voting third party 'cause he can't find a home. ... On the biggest decision a country makes, who is your leader? It's like, I don't want any part of it. It frustrates me and it's a shame. And you find it everywhere and you find it a lot among people in the business community. … The middle settles the close ones.” – John King (22:04)

• The “shrinking middle”—moderates and true independents—are smaller than ever, yet their votes (if mobilized) will decide razor-close battlegrounds.

On Arizona’s Status:

• Last two elections reflect razor-thin margins: Biden +0.4% in 2020; Trump +~4 points in 2016.
• Is Arizona’s shift part of a trend or an aberration? Demographic growth suggests a trend, but conclusive answers await more cycles of election data.

On Immigration:

• National political rhetoric is disconnected from practical, local realities.

• Pragmatisms on the ground (need for flexible worker programs, respect for bilingual/bicultural communities) contrast with polarizing campaign talking points.

  “They're normal, they're nuanced, they're sensitive, they're respectful. They're everything the national debate about immigration is not.” – John King (25:39)

On the Democratic Base & Reproductive Rights:

• Harris’s challenge: energize Democratic voters and reach moderates like Ray. Reproductive rights is a key mobilizing issue, especially due to Arizona’s 2024 ballot initiative.

  “You cannot get to Ray Flores. The votes of the independents in the middle don’t matter if your base stays home. ... Harris has the potential to turn them all out. And if she does, then she has to reach into that pot in the middle where Ray Flores is and win enough votes.” – John King (27:33)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On National Fatigue:

  “There’s been this overarching theme from a lot of our voters. The exhaustion, the exasperation, the dissatisfaction with the political system and the state of politics. I don’t know if anyone exemplifies that more than Ray Flores.” – Ally Molloy (21:49)

• On Voter Energy Shift:

  “I mean, the amount of events that I've been invited to just since that [Harris’s nomination] has increased. ... Everybody in there was just motivated, you know, and it was to get people to sign up, to volunteer to host other events and then door knock and canvass ... that wasn’t really happening before.” – Melissa (06:31)

• On Democratic Strategy:

  “Every election is important, but there’s a lot of things coming from Trump’s camp that would just completely change life as we know it. You know, reproductive rights, trans, healthcare – all this stuff. I mean, a lot of people will be affected immediately, and we just have to stay motivated around that.” – Melissa (08:11)

• On the Shrinking Middle:

  “But the middle settles the close ones. The people who are moderates, the people who are independents, the people who go back and forth ... If you can get them off the sidelines, if, if.” – John King (22:04)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 01:00: John King sets the stakes: Arizona as a key 2024 swing state, backdrop of recent stunning electoral volatility.
• 03:27: Introduction of Melissa Cordero, her background and shifting voting attitudes.
• 04:08 – 06:56: Melissa discusses the energy in Democratic organizing and reactions to Biden stepping down.
• 07:18: Melissa on the persistence of election denial in Arizona and her focus on policy issues.
• 08:11 – 09:33: Economic concerns for working-class Arizonans; Melissa expresses confidence in Harris.
• 10:55: Introduction to Ray Flores, Tucson restaurant owner, independent voter.
• 11:15 – 13:05: Ray reflects on his lack of enthusiasm for both parties, issues of trust and political rhetoric.
• 14:06 – 15:11: Ray outlines his suspicion of party leaders and the role of money and ambition in politics.
• 18:28: Discourse on pragmatic local governance vs. national dysfunction; border issues and small business hurdles.
• 21:43 – 25:19: John King and Ally Molloy analyze takeaways, Ray as a “pragmatist lost in polarization,” Arizona’s demographic and electoral landscape.
• 25:39 – 27:05: Nuanced local viewpoints on immigration vs. national rhetoric.
• 27:33 – 29:58: Harris’s challenge: energize base (Melissa) and court moderates (Ray), with reproductive rights as a motivator.

Conclusion

This episode offers a raw, engaging on-the-ground look at the 2024 Arizona electorate, contrasting the newfound progressive fervor in elements of the Democratic base with persistent, pragmatic skepticism among true independents. It shows Arizona as a microcosm of America’s tensions: rapid demographic change, grassroots political activation, and profound voter weariness with national party politics. As John King notes, the outcome in Arizona is more consequential—and more uncertain—than ever.

Listeners walk away with:

• Firsthand, stereotype-defying voter perspectives from a bellwether state.
• A sense of how demographic trends are colliding with political fatigue.
• A preview of how both party enthusiasm and middle-ground skepticism may tip the balance in critical battlegrounds.

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