Your competitor isn't experimenting with AI. They're rebuilding their company around it.

That gap? That's where market leaders are being decided.

In this episode of The AI CEO Podcast, host Seema Alexander sits down with Jason Michael Perry (CEO of Perry Labs, author of The AI Evolution) to break down AI in plain English — beyond ChatGPT — and explain what's coming next: agentic AI, RAG, conversational AI, personalization, and "vibe teams" that out-produce larger teams.

They debate the hard truth: AI will eliminate jobs, but the bigger threat is this: "It's not AI that's going to put your company out of business. It's a company that natively uses AI."

You'll also learn:

Why AI adoption is mostly change management
Why many "AI tools" are just thin wrappers (and what's actually worth using)
How RAG reduces hallucinations by grounding AI in real data
Why 95% of AI projects fail (and what to do instead)
A simple CEO roadmap: roll out AI → train teams → connect to data → prepare for agents

If you're a founder, executive, or operator trying to future-proof your company, this is your playbook for the messy middle.

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Chapters (YouTube Timestamps)

00:00 AI-native companies will win 00:03 AI is "same old evolution"… or is it? 00:05 AI explained beyond ChatGPT 00:06 Agentic AI + real workflow automation (HubSpot + Claude + Perplexity example) 00:08 Supply chains, tariffs, and AI decision-making 00:10 Hyper-personalization (the AI-generated "Norway retreat" song) 00:11 "We're in the AOL days of AI" 00:12 What CEOs actually need to know 00:14 Computer vision in plain English (inventory, retail, "just walk out") 00:16 RAG explained (the "pants or shorts" example) 00:17 HR use case: AI as first-line support 00:20 Redefining work: the job isn't the task 00:23 AI adoption = change management 00:24 Yes, jobs will disappear — and companies will get flatter 00:26 "Vibe teams" and the new output multiplier 00:29 Google Flow vs Runway, Suno, and the creator tool shift 00:32 ROI + why AI projects fail (snake oil, no training, no data connection) 00:36 The "Chief AI Officer" problem (who has the football?) 00:41 Duolingo's AI-native strategy and hard decisions 00:45 AI will "eat" entire industries (Grammarly example) 00:50 The CEO starting point: training + rollout + connect to data 00:51 The 5 layers toward AGI (chat → reasoning → agents → innovators → operators) 00:56 Controlling non-deterministic AI (workflows + smaller chunks) 00:59 The future: passive personalization + retail experiences 01:03 AI dating AI + agent-to-agent future 01:07 What replaces the laptop/keyboard? Convergence of AI + robotics + vision 01:15 Winning the messy middle ("time to love sloppy joes") 01:18 Overhyped tools vs underrated tools 01:22 The future of business: hyper-personalization 01:23 Where to find Jason + wrap

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