OpenAI in Talks for $100 Billion Funding Round

Summary

The AI Podcast: Episode Summary Title: OpenAI in Talks for $100 Billion Funding Round
Release Date: November 24, 2024
Host: The AI Podcast

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Introduction

In this episode of The AI Podcast, the hosts delve into the latest developments surrounding OpenAI's ambitious funding efforts. The discussion centers on OpenAI's ongoing negotiations to secure a substantial new funding round valued at $100 billion, exploring the implications of such an infusion of capital and the strategic players involved.

OpenAI's Funding Round and Valuation

The episode opens with a detailed analysis of OpenAI's pursuit of a $100 billion valuation in its new funding round. Host A highlights the significance of this potential investment, noting, "This might be one of their biggest, you know, infusions of capital since Microsoft made their famous $10 billion investment" (00:18). This valuation marks a considerable increase from the previous $86 billion, indicating sustained investor confidence despite the company's substantial financial burn rate.

Investment Surge and Key Players

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the major investors poised to participate in this funding round. Host B mentions, "Thrive Capital is going to be putting in $1 billion into this round" (02:14). Additionally, reports suggest that tech giants like Microsoft, Nvidia, and Apple are in talks to contribute, with sources from reputable outlets like the Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg confirming their potential involvement (07:06, 07:43).

Microsoft's Continued Commitment

Microsoft's role remains pivotal, having previously invested $10 billion in OpenAI. The hosts speculate on the strategic motives behind Microsoft's continued investment, especially considering its significant stake of 49%. Host A raises an intriguing point: "If Microsoft owns 49%, how much more do they have to put in to get over 50%?" (07:18), highlighting potential shifts in control dynamics should Microsoft decide to increase its stake.

Apple's Unconventional Investment Approach

Apple's potential investment is particularly noteworthy given the company's traditional preference for acquisitions over direct investments. Host A reflects, "Apple is not a company that actually traditionally invests in a lot of startups. They normally acquire them" (08:28). This move could signify a strategic partnership aiming to integrate OpenAI's technologies more deeply into Apple's ecosystem, especially with plans to enhance their Apple intelligence and iPhone functionalities.

OpenAI's Financial Health and Expenditure

A critical aspect discussed is OpenAI's financial trajectory. Despite generating an annualized revenue of $3.4 billion early this year, OpenAI is projected to incur a loss of approximately $5 billion by the year's end (04:42). Host A elaborates, "They have burned $8.5 billion in AI training and staffing this year" (04:18), underscoring the hefty investments in AI development and talent acquisition. This high expenditure rate raises questions about the sustainability of OpenAI's growth model.

Efficiency vs. Rapid Expansion

The hosts debate OpenAI's strategy between optimizing existing technologies and aggressively expanding to maintain a competitive edge. Host A points out, "XAI just rewrote their... inference stack with some new open source software that made it more efficient... AI model literally got twice as fast" (06:27). This example illustrates how targeted optimizations could potentially reduce operational costs and improve performance, suggesting that a more balanced approach might be beneficial for OpenAI's long-term sustainability.

Ecosystem Interdependencies

A fascinating segment explores the symbiotic relationships between OpenAI and its major investors. Host B remarks, "All of the companies that are investing in it are also kind of like vendors in one way or another" (09:35). For instance:

• Microsoft provides cloud services essential for OpenAI's operations.
• Apple facilitates broader distribution of OpenAI's products through its platforms.
• Nvidia supplies the GPUs necessary for training sophisticated AI models.

This interconnected ecosystem raises intriguing questions about the flow of investments and revenues among these tech giants and OpenAI, potentially hinting at complex financial and strategic maneuvers underpinning the industry's AI advancements.

Market Implications and Future Outlook

The hosts express optimism yet caution regarding the frothy market valuations driven by such massive investments. Host A states, "All companies are definitely getting buoyed up and the markets are frothy valuations because of all of this" (09:56). They anticipate that while OpenAI's ability to secure substantial funding might not be in doubt, the ultimate impact of these investments on the AI landscape remains to be seen.

Conclusion

The episode provides a comprehensive overview of OpenAI's latest funding endeavors, shedding light on the strategic investments from leading tech companies and the financial challenges the organization faces. As OpenAI navigates this critical juncture, the interplay between rapid technological advancements and sustainable financial practices will likely shape the future trajectory of artificial intelligence innovation.

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Notable Quotes:

• Host A (00:18): "This might be one of their biggest, you know, infusions of capital since Microsoft made their famous $10 billion investment."

• Host B (02:14): "Thrive Capital is going to be putting in $1 billion into this round."

• Host A (07:18): "If Microsoft owns 49%, how much more do they have to put in to get over 50%?"

• Host A (08:28): "Apple is not a company that actually traditionally invests in a lot of startups. They normally acquire them."

• Host A (04:18): "They have burned $8.5 billion in AI training and staffing this year."

• Host A (06:27): "XAI just rewrote their... inference stack with some new open source software that made it more efficient... AI model literally got twice as fast."

• Host B (09:35): "All of the companies that are investing in it are also kind of like vendors in one way or another."

• Host A (09:56): "All companies are definitely getting buoyed up and the markets are frothy valuations because of all of this."

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Note: Timestamps correspond to the provided transcript for reference.

Transcript

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OpenAI is currently in talks, according to reports.

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Specifically one from the information who everyone.

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Knows is like very big AI kind of leaker platform or newspaper news source.

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In any case, they're in talks to close a new funding round at a $100 billion valuation.

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Now, this is really interesting. This might be one of their biggest, you know, infusions of capital since Microsoft.

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Made their famous $10 billion investment for.

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49% of the company, you know, a year ago. So this is really interesting. There's some interesting players that are coming into this, and also based off of what OpenAI has done in the past with their employees, I think there's some interesting precedent and nuggets to take out of what they're actually doing here.

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Billion into this round.

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The valuation is going to be over.

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$100 billion right now, which is a lot higher.

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And then their previous $86 billion valuation and they actually. But, so it's a lot higher. But it's not like we're not seeing.

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Orders of magnitude jumps, right?

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Because like in the past it was, you know, it was growing very, very quickly. They went from 20 billion to 100 billion in not very, in a very short amount of time. And so we're, we're starting to see, I guess diminishing, you know, it's not like, oh, wow, it's worth a trillion dollars now or something like insane thing. So hopefully that's more sustainable. What I did want to talk about was what, what's interesting is back in.

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February of this year, so this wasn't.

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Even that, I guess it wasn't even that long ago when they did have the $86 billion valuation.

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This was when they, they raised some.

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Money, but they also let their employees to essentially sell some of their shares in the company. And this actually played into the whole, I believe this played into the whole.

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All of the employees being really behind Sam Altman and wanting him to come.

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Back on board after he got kicked off. You know, they all started like tweeting on X and saying things like OpenAI is nothing without its employees or nothing without its people and stuff and all these hearts and stuff. I think a big part of that is because they knew that this deal, this $86 billion deal was about to happen.

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They all wanted to sell shares.

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So there was, you know, millions of dollars in employee stock options floating around. And they knew that if Sam Altman got kicked out, the whole company would go into turmoil and this $86 billion deal might have been canceled. I actually heard before this happened it was something like a 90 billion or maybe even close to $100 billion. But then after the whole Sam Altman shake up, it seemed a little shakier and I think a slightly discounted valuation. In any case, this went through a lot of employees were able to sell shares alongside other funding efforts. That being said, it definitely, when employees sell alongside of, you know, essentially they get to add into the round of funding.

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It does mean the company raises a.

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Little bit less money. So why is that important?

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How much money do they need?

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Where are they at? I think what's really interesting is currently they need a lot of money. Wall Street Journal says that their annualized revenue just passed $3.4 billion early this year. So we can expect by the end of the year that will grow significant or, you know, probably a bunch. But we also have some leaks from.

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The information that are saying OpenAI is on track to lose about $5 billion by the end of this year.

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So what have they actually spent that on? Apparently they have already spent that on AI training and staffing. And what's even more eye watering than, you know, losing $5 billion is the fact that they have burned $8.5 billion in AI training and staffing this year. So like, yes, they'll lose 5 billion, but that's because they're making, you know, $3.4 billion. So they've actually spent 8 billion. So to me, it's just wild to.

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Think that a company that's so popular.

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So successful is, you know, making from.

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Very small to all of a sudden.

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Making $3 billion a year. It's actually spending 8 billion.

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That is absolutely insane.

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The amount of compute. Now I know that a lot of this probably is tied up with some of their big moonshot projects with Sora, their video editor and a lot of other things. It is interesting to me though that we have other much smaller companies that are coming out with still very powerful.

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Video or image generation models.

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So I'd be curious to see, you know, what level OpenAI just throws money away on some of this stuff and.

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Kind of burns it to be fastest.

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And first when they, you know, just were slightly waited a little bit longer, the might be able to be, they might be able to save, you know, exponential amounts of money because we are seeing there's a bunch of new technology that came out. XAI just rewrote their, one of their stacks for some of their tech, I think their inference stack for their Grok AI model, which is like ChatGPT and just two developers in three days rewrote the inference stack with some new open source software that made it more efficient essentially. And their AI model literally got twice.

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As fast, two times as fast, and the responses were a little bit better.

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So there's like a whole bunch of these optimization things that we can, that we can do with these AI models. And I just wonder what level OpenAI is focusing on optimization versus just trying to blast as fast and quick as possible to stay ahead. But burning like, I mean $8 billion is insane in my opinion. In any case, who's, you know, who's piling into this? There's been a Bunch of reports, TechCrunch has been reporting on it and of course we have the insider or the information that's reporting on it. Apparently Thrive is going to put about.

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A billion dollars in.

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Microsoft is also expected to be participating in this round. According to the Wall Street Journal, they have a story about this. It's no one knows exactly who else is going to.

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There's some rumors. Kosher Vensters, Infosys and Y Combinator are.

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All some of their existing backers. And of course Microsoft put in about $10 billion in January 2023, I believe. So this would be one of their biggest infusions of capital since then. Right? I mean, at least a billion dollars from Thrive.

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Now there have also been a whole.

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Bunch of rumors coming out that Nvidia and Apple are going to are currently.

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In talks to contribute to this next fundraising round. What's interesting because this is according to.

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Some sources at the New York Times who kind of said that this was going to happen. Bloomberg also reported on Nvidia's involvement and then at Wall Street Journals has been kind of like leaking and talking about the story of Apple potentially being interested in this. Microsoft already owns 49% of OpenAI. So I think it's going to be interesting. Whatever they invest or put in, I mean, all that's doing is buying a bigger stake. At which point, I mean, if they have 49%, how much more do they have to put in to get over 50%? And if they own over 50%, I don't know. It's just so interesting to me to think like a company Apple could be investing in, a company which is about.

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To be more than 50% owned by.

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Their, I don't know, one of their biggest competitors, you could say. So I just find that so fascinating to think like Apple's putting into a company that's essentially owned and controlled by Microsoft. Yeah, it's interesting but at the same time, you see Apple is using them.

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Heavily and going to be integrating them into the iPhone and their Apple intelligence.

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And all that kind of stuff. So it's like you understand why they put money in because they want to kind of control it. Now what's interesting is Apple is not a company that actually traditionally invests in a lot of startups. They normally acquire them, buy them, incorporate them into what they're doing. But they don't usually just invest in them and let them run solo with a couple exceptions. There was a ride hailing app, a.

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Chinese ride hailing app.

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They put $1 billion in I think back in 2016 or 17. And there's been, you know, there's been a couple others, but it's really not very, very common that this happens. So it'll be interesting to see what.

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Apple's role in this is.

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Obviously all this money is needed with all the money that they're burning $5 billion a year right now. It's interesting because OpenAI needs.

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All of the companies that are investing.

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In it are also kind of like vendors in one way or another, right? So OpenAI is using Microsoft for their cloud. OpenAI is using Apple in order to get more distribution of their products because they've actually said that Apple is not.

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Going to pay them for ChatGPT.

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They're offering that for free to essentially.

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Get more people using it, which is really interesting.

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And then of course, OpenAI needs Nvidia because they're using their GPUs to train their AI models. So whether it's Nvidia, Microsoft, Apple, OpenAI is kind of like relying on everybody and everyone's using them. But it's interesting how this is like an ecosystem where it feels like people are investing in OpenAI, but OpenAI is also shelling the money right back to some of the companies that are investing in it. Which brings up the question of, you know, is this like some sort of accounting thing? Or like, where do you realize the revenue? Like, is Apple all of a sudden making or is, you know, like Microsoft making an extra billion dollars of revenue? If OpenAI spends a billion dollars that.

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They gave them on their, their cloud.

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Platform, it's really interesting to see how that goes. But in any case, all companies are definitely getting buoyed up and the markets are frothy, valuations are frothy because of all of this. And yeah, I'm excited to see how this goes down and to see exactly how much they actually raise. They definitely need the money. It's going to be interesting to see.

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How much they raise.

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I don't think they're going to have a problem actually being able to do this, but it'll be interesting to see how the cards shake out in the end.

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