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I'm going to talk about why this is wild in the age of AI and how this is going to be used. Reddit CEO right now is throwing a little bit of shade at the Google AI overviews and the shares of Reddit are falling 20%, even though it seems like the company's making more money than ever. Apple's Tim cook is floating iCloud plus a paywall for the heaviest Siri AI users. And anthropic says that Claude's model breached three companies cybersecurity tests. Kind of like what OpenAI was saying when they, you know, had their model go and breach hugging faces. Anthropic is coming along and saying, look, we are, you know, they're not the only ones. Me too. We also have a dangerous model that can escape a sandbox and hack the world. Let's get into it today. The first thing I wanted to mention is that the AI Box mcp, that's my very own startup, it gives, it's a little plugin that gives Claude and other AI models access to all the top models. So you get OpenAI, you get Grok, you get 11 Labs, you get Google VO3 and Gemini, you get all of that inside of Grok or inside of Claude or inside of ChatGPT and vice versa. The cool thing about the MCP with AI Box is that Claude can now generate images, audio and video. This is by far our most popular feature. We have hit all sorts of revenue metrics and milestones and records because of it. And if you haven't tried it out already, I would love for you to try it. I personally use it every day. You, it is incredible, basically. And it's like, I know it's my product, so I'm just like pitching here. But I'll just tell you one thing that I recently used it for that was amazing and then I'll get on with it. But I was recently going and making Facebook ads for AI Box and one of the problems is that Claude doesn't generate images, right? So I had a framework of a Facebook ad that I wanted. I screenshot it off of somebody else and I said, look, build a frame of this Facebook ad. And it kind of had like titles and some descriptions and some like content. And so it built a rough draft for it. But the actual image on that Facebook ad, I needed to put something in and I wanted to ab test a whole bunch of different ones. So I said use the AI box MCP and spin up 20 different variations, 20 different images we could swap into this ad. It was able to do that. I ran the ad set and it turns out that one of those 20 for some reason just had a way higher conversion rate on the ad. Actually, 50% of our ad spend went onto that one single ad. So I mean, when it comes to any sort of projects where you have to test a whole bunch of variations. It's really cool to be able to get all of those variations made instantly. When I got AI Box to, when Claude used AI Box to generate all of the images, it wasn't something that, you know, it was sitting there and doing them one at a time. Like if I was on, if I was on ChatGPT trying to generate those images myself, I would have been, you know, going slowly. It's super slow. You do them in a handful at a time or one at a time. It's able to just do them all in parallel. Zap. Get it all done. It's all in there. It's ready to rock and roll. It was an amazing experience. So if you want to check it out, it is AI Box AI. There's a link in the description to check out our mcp. And yeah, I think you will genuinely love it. You can get it for $8.99 a month starting and you get over 80 different AI models. So audio, image, video, it's all in there. OpenAI's first influencer luxury retreat is making a bunch of people online upset. Opening I basically flew in a bunch of creators. There was this kind of luxury upstate New York resort and it was their first influencer event. They called it Summer Club and they had a bunch of like, you know, fancy events and like activities. They had beekeeping, they had a bunch of dinners, they had chatgpt work tutorials, which, I mean, I think that's, that's a no brainer. Obviously they'd be doing like software tutorials. That's what I'd expect. But the trip had a bunch of backlash online because all of the commenters said that there was $5,000 a night suites and you know, it was supposed to be kind of like this wellness retreat. But OpenAI is, you know, obviously pushing a $500 billion data center deal right now. And so not everyone was, you know, a lot of people that are anti kind of data centers didn't like this. And it feels like, you know, they're like, look, they're just bribing all the influencers to, to go along with, with what they got going on. OpenAI actually hired Charles Porsche, which was formerly Instagram's VP of partnerships. And this was just in February of this year that they did that. And their goal with him, they're like, look, like we want you to lead the creator strategy. So Summer Club is kind of his first big campaign that he's done since he took that role. The funny thing to me is that Anthropic and Microsoft have both run similar kind of creator trips. And this isn't anything new. It's not like Microsoft, Anthropic and OpenAI are inventing this. There's a lot of companies that do these types of things. And when Anthropic and Microsoft did it like they had like a Super bowl event in February, but with them there was no backlash. So a lot of people are saying perhaps the reason that there's a lot of backlash is just because of OpenAI's kind of scale and you know that it's just the biggest company. Or maybe people are just realizing it now. But for whatever reason, OpenAI is getting a lot of pushback on that. Alibaba has just released a new model called Quinn 3.8 Max. This is a 2.4 trillion parameter AI model that just came out today and it basically ranks second only to anthropics Claude Fable 5 on most of the public leaderboards right now. They are releasing the model's weights next week. They're going to make it freely downloadable and modifiable by developers worldwide. So again, it's not technically like an open source model, but it's an open weight model, meaning that they let you download the model, they give you the weights, you can run this thing on your own device. But they, they don't tell you like exactly how they built it, so you, you can't recreate it. And there's some other like, limitations in there. But honestly, a huge kudo to a lot of these AI companies coming out of China for doing this. I know there's a lot of controversy. Moonshot AI's Kimi K3 released last week. It was a 2.8 trillion parameter model. It was bigger than Quin 3.8, but Quinn 3.8 is higher on the benchmarks. And, and by the way, like, Quinn is a model that's been around for a long time. It's actually a pretty impressive one. Alibaba obviously is like China's Amazon. So they have a lot of money, a lot of talent backing them. And Quinn has been one of those, those big models. If you want to try out Quinn, by the way, if you haven't tried it yet, I'd recommend go getting an account for $8.99 on AI box. We have Quinn along with, you know, 80 other different AI models that you can test out. One thing that I'll say is right now Alibaba is kind of returning to an open weight distribution, but because last year they, they did, it was sort of a pivot. And even earlier this year they were doing this where they were making just proprietary only. But now I think Moonshot came out, bytedance came out, Minimax came out and making these kind of, you know, basically anyone could go download and modify these models, quote, unquote, open weight. And it seems like they're following in that path. It seems like the best path for a lot of these Chinese models where they're going to kind of get a lot of positive press. And at the end of the day, they can put kind of enterprise tier or more advanced tiers of these models on their own cloud so you can use them. And I think their goal is just to get as many users trying them falling in love with them, maybe they're faster, maybe they're more cost efficient, and then they're hoping that maybe you'll go pay them for them later. And the other thing that's really important right now with these models, because I know a lot of people ask, like, why are the Chinese models making these things open weight? Like, why aren't they just doing what, you know, the American companies are doing? And obviously there's, you know, some geopolitical issues where if they were just charging what Anthropic is charging, no one's going to pay for it. So they want to get it, get it out. But another side of this that I think not a lot of people talk about is the fact that you want infrastructure and tools and developers to be building with your AI model. Because if all of the developers are like, look, maybe it's not going to be like this forever, but right now, Quinn is the perhaps fastest and cheapest way to run AI. So it saves people a lot of money. A lot of developers will build tools on top of that, a lot of tools on top of their infrastructure, and help them actually grow kind of their distribution. And so I think that's what they're trying to, they're trying to get at with all of this, is to get the infrastructure and the developers and kind of win them over, because that's how you can make some cool products on top of it. And maybe they'll go completely closed source in the future like all of the American companies. I mean, let's be fair, that's kind of what OpenAI did anyways as well at the beginning. So it seems like this is the same strategy being rolled out of Beijing and most of these other Chinese companies. Visa has just acquired a behavioral biometric firm called Biocatch. They acquired it for $2.5 billion in cash. This is a massive deal. So what exactly does Biocatch do? It's an Israeli security firm and it basically spots fraud by watching how you type, swipe and hold your phone. Which is, I mean, kind of crazy, a little bit creepy to me because they can, obviously they're like, look, but we're, we're catching like fraud but you know, they can catch a lot of things. This type of technology I think was, became like a little bit more known when with something like Chat GPT. I remember some earlier reports saying like if I just watch what you type into Chat GPT and the reason I say this or like into anything could, could be anything. But ChatGPT has, can easily do this if I watch what you type and how you type and you paste. Let's say someone sends you an email, but it's just, or like a voice to text or something and you got it transcribed and pasted it into chatgpt. You could say, what is this person's gender, age, ethnicity? And oftentimes the AI model can give you a ton of data about that person just based off of a transcript, a text, an email. I mean assuming nowadays all emails are like rewritten by AI, so maybe that's like a reason to use the polish my email. With AI, then they can't actually get your bio data unless it's the company that's an AI company that's doing that. Now for a company like Visa that obviously is all about catching fraud. I'm, you know, this is, this makes sense. As far as an acquisition, I'm not too worried about Visa. I mean they already have all my transaction data so, and all my like finance stuff. So I'm not too worried about what other data they're going to get on me. They basically have everything. They got my credit score and like they know everything. So I'm not too concerned about them knowing my age and gender. But what I will say is it is interesting to know that these types of security firms exist. They're out there. And yeah, you can tell a lot about a person just like so an anonymous person posting on X, right? An anonymous account, you can take their post on X, put it into ChatGPT and get a pretty good user demograph of what this type of person is like. And a lot of companies will use this for marketing and for retargeting. So it's definitely something that is becoming more and more popular today. Now Bio Catch in particular, their goal is to detect authorized push payment fraud where victims are basically logging in correctly. But then they're transferring money on a scammer's instruction, right? So like the scammers, like, hey, I need you to go buy me all the Visa gift cards and, and send them to me in the mail. That's what it's trying to catch. The technology basically reads physical signals like keystroke timing, tap pressure and scroll speed. Those are how they're actually deciding if it's a criminal and if it's someone that's being coached by a criminal. So I mean, it's interesting because this isn't intrinsically bad, but like, and this is actually probably good, right, what Bio Catch is doing, but the fact that Bio Catch can determine this kind of stuff, to me, I'm just like, people should be aware that we're able to tell by how fast you scroll, by how hard you tap, by your keystroke timing. We're able to tell like who's in control of the device. That to me is pretty crazy. It's kind of like when there's kind of the, the videos that you, you may or may not have seen, but basically your WI fi sends out certain signals and you can, you can basically get like a 3D map of who's inside of a house if you get access to their WI fi router. Because like a human body, for example, the WI fi signals go through them at a different frequency on walls and all these different stuff. So like you can, you basically get like a 3D map of someone walking around their house if you can, if you can hack into their WiFi router. Reddit CEO is publicly questioning whether Google's AI overview feature is worth the money. He says that the automated search summaries haven't delivered any real value to content publishers. Reddit shares fell about 20% after they released their earnings, which I think part of that is because of just a lot of the uncertainty about whether Google's shift towards AI summaries is going to kill all of the traffic based revenue for sites like Reddit. And I mean, to be fair with the AI boom, Reddit is one of the biggest winners. You probably have noticed that Google's AI or just their results in general really heavily skewed towards Reddit because it's like real people, there's real trust and a lot of companies have licensed, you know, information from Reddit, Google being one. I think Google paid $300 million to license everything on Reddit to help them train their models. Pew research study of 900 US adults said that basically what they figured out from this was that AI Overviews cut referrals to publisher sites by almost half compared to traditional search results. Okay, this isn't like, what. What is shocking about that? Basically, you ask the question, the overview answers, so you don't go click over to the website. Nothing's shocking there. Reddit is considering ending their $60 million licensing Google deal with Google. So I think I might have said 300 million earlier, misquoted that it's $60 million. And the economists, routers, political and USA Today are all also thinking about doing something very similar. So Google has licensing deals with all of these companies, and a lot of them are saying, look, maybe it's just not worth it to have all of the Google or all of the Reddit information embedded into. I. We'd rather them actually come over to Reddit to get that information. Now, if I'm being honest, I think that I don't know if they cut their licensing deals if the traffic's gonna actually flow back to them. I think maybe the cat's out of the bag at this point. A lot of these AI models are trained. A lot of this information is already out there. It's already been aggregated on. You know, maybe Reddit got added into Gemini and someone used Gemini to write an article. Now there were articles publicly posted, and so Google doesn't really need Reddit so much anymore. That's kind of what I think will happen, and probably the same thing with a lot of the other news organizations. So it'll be interesting to see how that rolls out in the future. There's some big news from Apple. Tim Cook says that says that they might have a new tier which is going to be called iCloud Plus. For heavy Siri users, it's going to be a flat monthly fee. It's going to be subscription, very similar to the freemium model of OpenAI and Google for what they have, you know, for Gemini or for chatgpt. And right now I think Apple is basically saying that they think they can convert iPhone users who currently use ChatGPT and other things into using Siri instead. Now, what's interesting is we know that there's like some version of Siri that is going to be powered by OpenAI and powered by ChatGPT or I think a lot of the news is that you could actually switch it. So this is going to be the first time that they actually are charging a subscription and getting into that game. Not long after, OpenAI has come out with an announcement that, you know, their model escaped a sandbox and went and hacked hugging faces and some other firms. Anthropic is saying, look, we did the same thing, guys. We have, you know, Claude. Three different Claude models escaped testing Sandbox and accessed live company systems during internal security evaluations. One model published malware to a public code registry before it was caught, which prompted Anthropic to review over 141,000 Test runs for similar breaches. If you haven't left a review on the podcast yet, it would help the show out a ton. I would super, super appreciate it. It helps more incredible people like yourself find the show. And so yeah, it's the number one thing that could help this show reach more a bigger audience. If you wouldn't mind. If you haven't already done it, it would mean the world to me. But thanks so much for tuning in. I hope you guys have an incredible day. Make sure to go check out AI box AI if you want to get 80 different AI models all on one platform and I'll see you in the next episode. Ready to put a little spin on your day? Then check out Champa Casino's new online social casino game, Ryan Seacrest 10K Ways. It's free and packed with 10,000 ways to play only at champacasino.com no purchase necessary. VGW Group Void we're prohibited by law. 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