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Welcome to the podcast. I'm your host, Jaden Schaefer. Today on the show, I want to talk about the Latest news from SpaceX. Filing some paperwork with the Federal Communications Commission last Friday in what looks like a million satellite data center network. Right. So they have filed paperwork to request to be able to shoot a million data center satellites up orbiting the Earth. And, and at first I think a lot of people said this is like, oh, you know, this is kind of just Elon. This is like a theatrical idea that he's just kind of floating out there because, you know, it makes it sound good to merge SpaceX and Xai and make this $1.25 trillion company before an IPO. I think if you look at what's happening, especially as of today, this is like a week later, I think it is pretty clear that he actually means it. So today on the show, I want to break down what this would look like, what a AI data center cluster floating around the earth of a million satellites would look like, why they would do it logistically, how this would work. There is a lot to unpack here, including some really interesting quotes from Elon Musk on a recent podcast about using solar panels and how much more efficient they are in space. All these different crazy things. So we're going to dive into all of that. Before we do, I wanted to share some really exciting news about my startup, AI Box. AI. We've recently launched some new subscription tiers. So AI Box essentially allows you to build tools even if you're not a developer. You can describe what you'd like to create. And our AI model links together different AI models, fills in a prompt and it can create a tool that automates your workflows or just, you know, is it generating newsletters or all sorts of things? 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So you don't have to try to remember what, you know, website you're on or what account you're logged into. It's all in one place. So if you want to go check that out, it is AI box. AI. I'll leave a link to it in the description. Okay. So with everything happening with SpaceX and this kind of merger, I think one of the biggest signals we got was on Monday, SpaceX officially merged with Xai and that deal basically is formally tying these two companies together. XAI and of course the AI Lab. I think this only really makes sense if both of them are trying to share some sort of infrastructure. Otherwise why would you merge them? And so I think this is why a lot of people are saying, oh, this is just, you know, and then Elon comes up with this idea to put data centers in space. And then people are like, oh, this is just him trying to like consolidate his companies for a bigger ipo. In reality, I think this might be an actual really, really smart move for both of his companies. But I think what next happened was that there was an FCC filing. And if you look at that FCC filing, I've been reviewing some of the documents. I think Elon Musk is very serious about putting some large scale AI compute in orbit. This is getting a step closer to reality. On Wednesday, the FCC accepted formally SpaceX is filing and they opened up for public comment. So I think normally that step is gonna attract like not a lot of attention. Not a lot of people are, you know, whatever. They're just, this is just kind of a formality. They're like, hey, we're opening up for comment. We've accepted this thing. I mean, this is just what the FCC does this time. Right now, I think the FCC chairman, which is Brendan Carr, publicly shared the filing on X. Carr has basically said that he's really willing to support this move right now. As long as Musk is trying to build things inside of America. He said that it's not likely to face a lot of regulatory pushback. Musk also said that like so then Musk went on to a podcast, which is the Cheeky Pint Podcast, which was with Dorkish Patel and then also John Collision who is a co founder of Stripe. But anyways he was giving, he's breaking it down and explaining a little bit more. But he said, quote, it's harder to scale on the ground than it is to scale in space, which I think is just a wild quote from this conversation. But one thing he said that I think has a lot of credence is he said a solar panel gives you about five times more power in space than on Earth, so ends up being much cheaper, which, which is a really fascinating concept with these data centers, floating satellite data centers around the Earth that don't need to be cooled because there is, you know, it's freezing cold in space. And so that saves a lot of like money on the water that you'd have to use. It's also more, you know, environmentally conscious to not have to use all of this water. So for people that that's their number one priority, I think this is an interesting option. And then of course the solar panels can power them. So so they're basically their own operating units independent up there. I think electricity isn't the only cost for running a data center. Patel pointed this out during this kind of conversation they had. But he also brought some really interesting concerns which is what happens when hardware fails during AI training, Like how do you fix it in orbit? This is not exactly straightforward. Elon said that he predicted by 2028 that's going to be kind of the big turning point. He said you can mark my words, in about 30 to 36 months the most cost effective place to run AI will be space. He then went on to say that within five years more AI compute power is going to be launched and run in orbit each year than the total amount operating on Earth. I think for like context, global data center capacity right now is, is expected to reach about 200 gigawatts by 2030. And that's, you know, close to a trillion dollars in kind of ground based infrastructure. So if Elon Musk is predicting that he's effectively, I mean he's Basically arguing that there's going to be a massive chunk of that future investment that is going to not even be on Earth. Maybe, you know, half a trillion dollars a year is going to be spent on, on data centers in space. I think obviously this is a vision that fits really nicely into SpaceX's business model. Right? They make money by launching things into space. And so now if they own an AI company they, that needs, you know, massive amounts of compute power. Launching things into space is kind of the best way for them to go about doing that. But according to Bloomberg, this whole SpaceX X AM merger values them at about $1.25 trillion and it makes it the most valuable private company in the world. So SpaceX has reportedly been preparing for an IPO which they, which might happen in June. But Elon Musk didn't say whether the merger is going to change those plans in any way. I think it is interesting that on this podcast recently when he was talking about all this, he was there with the co founder of Stripe, which is one of the other biggest privately held companies which, you know, a lot of rumors about when they might IPO are circulating out there. Something that's really interesting is there was a memo that was kind of announcing this deal and Elon Musk basically framed the merger almost entirely around this kind of space based data center. And that's basically why he said they needed to merge. And this is a quote from that memo. He said current advances in AI depend on large data centers on Earth which need enormous amounts of power and cooling global electricity. Demand for AI cannot be met on Earth alone without putting pressure on communities and the environment. And that's basically his argument, which of course is a little bit complicated right now we know that XAI has been accused of straining local infrastructure at their data center in Memphis, Tennessee. I mean this is probably where he's, he's getting a lot of this from. I think he got a lot of, he's gotten a lot of flack for that. And so I think he's like, look, if we're going to scale this up, how do we get it so it's not directly impacting communities, but this is absolutely massive merger bringing some really huge companies together. XAI right now is burning about a billion dollars a month according to Bloomberg. So 12 billion a year. SpaceX on the other hand earns about 80% of their revenue from launching their own Starlink satellite. So it's not just, I think a lot of people think like, you know, SpaceX is making their money from Just government contracts or putting satellites up for other companies. And 80% of the revenue is just from their own product, which is Starlink and you know, basically global Internet. And if you look at report from routers that came out last year, xai, when they acquired X, apparently in that deal, Musk said that the combined value was about $113 billion. And since then with this merger they valued XAI at about 250 billion. So since that merger the company has, you know, gone up over $100 billion. Elon said that this kind of space based data centers are going to have, you know, they're going to need a lot of satellites. It's basically getting like a steady flow of satellites. He didn't say how many. I think basically the requirement is going to guarantee though that there's this ongoing launch demand for SpaceX. So this is, you know, SpaceX is never going to see the demand drop once this is kind of a new revenue stream. And I think this is especially since the FCC rules now require satellites to be brought down after five years. So if they're up, they have to basically have plans to deorbit all satellites after five years. Which means that I think even these data centers are going to, are going to have to do that as well. So you're gonna have to bring things up, bring them down. And I think SpaceX has just enormous amounts of business that are going to come from all of this. For basically, I think the long term SpaceX and Xai are going to have some, they definitely have very different short term challenges and they kind of have the same, I mean this now combined long term vision. I think SpaceX is still focused on proving that their starship rockets can actually bring people to the moon and then eventually Mars. XAI of course is competing directly with OpenAI and Google. So it's interesting there feels like there's these different areas. So putting all of the speculations on the reasons for this aside, I think, you know, based on the regulatory filings that are being filed right now, I think, and the merger is officially complete, the timelines are attached. I think this whole push to move AI infrastructure into space has kind of moved from this. It feels like a science fiction kind of thing into something that is going to be very real and also very expensive. And it looks like it is actually going to happen. So I'd love to keep you up to date on everything rolling out with that. Thanks so much for tuning into the podcast. If you learned anything new, if this was an interesting show for you, it would really help my podcast out a lot if you could leave a rating or review wherever you get your podcast. If you're on Apple, drop a comment, drop some stars. I read them all and I really appreciate them. If you're over on Spotify, it's the about tab that you can hit. 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