What if the biggest AI risk isn't bias or hallucination but the quiet moment where people simply switch off?

Dr Naeema Pasha joins Edosa Odaro and Lindley Gooden on Episode 4 of The AI Values Podcast for one of our most human conversations yet on trust, fairness, AI literacy, and the leadership shift that will decide who wins the next decade.

🎯 Three test-yourself moments in this episode, see how well you read the research before Dr Pasha reveals the answers.

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GUEST: Dr Naeema Pasha
Dr Pasha is a Henley Business School academic, author, and one of the UK's leading voices on Industry 5.0 and human-centred AI. She unpacks why we still trust humans over AI, why confident people use AI better, and why the Henley 'Equity Effect' research found a 58% revenue premium for organisations that actively pursue fairness.

WHAT WE COVER:
► Why this AI moment matters and the 'They Not Like Us' problem Fairness as the driver word for AI governance
► Why trust in AI is already eroding and what leaders miss AI coaching, therapy bots, and the 60% of UK adults already using them
► The Henley Equity Effect: a 58% revenue premium for fairness-led organisations
► Industry 5.0, the cult of the CEO, and empathy-based leadership
► AI literacy, critical thinking, and why confidence beats mastery
► The quiet AI backlash 'no AI used here' signs, and what they mean for brand trust

ABOUT THE AI VALUES PODCAST:
The AI Values Podcast is where leaders come to think clearly about the trade-offs behind AI adoption not just the opportunities. Hosted by Edosa Odaro (author, 'The Values of AI') and Lindley Gooden (author, 'The Future of Truth'), with weekly conversations at the intersection of AI, trust, governance, and the future of work.

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