A (3:14)

It's just, it's. Let's just say that's out of our, our orbit. That's in a different. Well, we'll stay in our, in our pay grade a little bit. So you ended up because a lot of your community had moved there. So there was a comfort when you landed. There were fellow countrymen in your country. And you know, that's a little bit of my story. I live in Thailand, as I mentioned. I've been out of the US since. For 15 years now. My gosh, time flies, but I can't.

B (3:40)

Yeah.

A (3:41)

And I, I made my choices, you made yours and it was a dream. Mine was more of. I liked how I felt living in a foreign country other than my own and how the people treated me. And it was, it was crazy. I said, well, I can go into the grind. I'm from la, which is very hustle bustle. I'm sure Vancouver is a nice city. I've been there several times and spoken at events and the people, I think Canadians, oh boy, I'm going to get a backlash for this. Are a tad nicer than Americans. They seem to be more polite as a general statement, I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's hard.

B (4:20)

We use more word like please all the time. It's shown in many movies actually. Oh yeah. The people are really polite here. You know, always say sorry, please, sorry. You know, that's, that's.

A (4:31)

We use all the time except when they play hockey and then they, then they're a little. So you left India, you came to the US and here was a shocker when I read your bio and I did my research on you because I like to look into the backgrounds. I was shocked that you dealt with or was forced, you were forced to deal with systemic racism. And I thought Canadians weren't racist like the Americans. Like blacks living in Canada weren't treated the same. It's a whole different dynamic, I thought. But please tell me more about this because I was not aware of it.

B (5:14)

No, I totally agree with you. The. The first thing I would like to touch, you know, like in states in USA actually I did my internship when I came from India 1991. I passed my two written exams. Then I went to USA Iowa State University. I did my internship from there.

A (5:38)

Oh wow.

B (5:39)

Came back to Canada. So I opened up my first clinic in 1995. So then after that I opened up another 24 animal hospital in the surrounding area of the Vancouver. So your question was about the human right basically in States it's laws are much tougher. Yes, Canada is one of the worst country for the human rights because yeah, we always actually before I went through this, you know, the hearing through this court case, I have no idea. I'm always saying, you know, if somebody says some bad thing about your race, color, place of origin, gender, always we talk about oh, go to human rights. You can file a case, you know, he will be, you can sue him. But what the system is here, if there is a racism on the base of place, origin, gender, you know, equality, you cannot go to Supreme Court. You can only go to human rights.

A (6:50)

Oh, I didn't know that. Wow. You can't elevate the claim.

B (6:54)

That's right. Oh my God. You cannot go to Supreme Court because Supreme Court going to say no, this is on the base of gender equality, place, origin, you can go to human rights. Now we file the case in human right. It usually takes one year to two years before they check your case even. And then you have to hire a lawyer. After a year or two years they will respond. Then they're going to say you okay, you know, we are going to accept your, they don't accept your case. They're going to say we're going to send the letter to the opposition. Now the other party and the other party, it's a basic standard. They're going to respond, do you want to dismiss this claim? Then you have to hire a lawyer and the lawyer going to charge you 2500-3000 dollar every day. And then you have to response to the opposition. Then they could take another year to two years before they want to make a decision. Yes, we will accept this case. Then after the acceptance then they do the hearing in my case. We filed the case in 2004 up to 2006. They in the end of two six they started the hearing almost after two years. Now it takes four or five years. Now the time.

A (8:14)

Okay, yeah.

B (8:16)

So for two years after we start the hearing in 2006, which last five years up to 2011, I have to sit in the court 356 working days.

A (8:28)

Oh my gosh.

B (8:30)

And you have to pay every day $3000 $4000 to your lawyer plus the food, plus the coffee, plus the car parking, my car parking but was almost $50,000.

A (8:44)

Oh my gosh.

B (8:45)

And the lawyer's fee was $22 million. Thus I spent on lawyers and then about $285,000 for the food, for the lawyer, the like coffee and the food. So I anyway I was sitting 356day in the meantime, the human rights has no teeth. They cannot stop the college from anywhere. Like they cannot ask the college, stop discriminating. The call is targeting you again and again because the government is supporting the college and the college. They did their own hearing against me and the other members. Like we were going a little bit in the background. Why this battle started because the college, the, our college, they brought the English test which was 100% in test of spoken English. They want to stop the new vet coming to B.C. and I was a leader of that group. And I told the college, no, you can't do that. We met the minister, we told the minister also, they can do that because out of 100% interest of spoken English, you cannot change your accent. You cannot get 100%.

A (10:03)

Never.

B (10:04)

They didn't back off. Anyway, then I, there are 16 doctors in the committee. They brought that test. And then I challenged them in the media. I gave them 1.6 million dollar draft. I can pay you hundred thousand dollar to each doctor. Those 16 doctor if you can pass this exam. Because out of those 16 doctors, there are two, three were French, Chinese and some Indian doctors.

A (10:34)

Okay.

B (10:35)

There is a new way they can pass this exam. So I put 1.6 million dollar award that was published all over the, all over Canada and the major newspapers.

A (10:44)

Good for you, man.

B (10:46)

They got really upset on me then due to that reason.

A (10:49)

I love it. I'm. You know what? Now you get the, you get the, you get the green chicken already. Dr. Bullard, that is fantastic. You threw the money up. This is the money chicken. Oh my God, I love this. You, you've got steel in your, in your vertebra.

B (11:04)

Yeah. So I put 1.6 million dollar word. They don't take the chance, you know, challenge. Now the college was really in hot water and people were blaming, asking the question, why the hell you don't take the exam? Because every time they're going in the media, those their president, vice president, they say, oh, Dr. Bull is wrong. This English exam is very easy. Anybody can pass. I said, okay, if anybody can pass, ask these 16 doctor to pass this exam. And then after that, so then they start targeting us like the group we are 13 doctors.

A (11:38)

Were you all Indian? Were you all Indian Doctors? So the 16, let me just clarify right here. I just want to understand so I can follow, I can give traction to your story. Were the 16 doctors that you're referring to, were they all immigrants? You mentioned Chinese? Some were Indians, some were. Or some of them Canadian locals.

B (11:59)

There are two, one French guy, Chinese Five Indian. There was another one from Polish and rest are Canadian.

A (12:09)

Why was. Why were. Wait a minute. Is there any kind of allegiance to the fellow Indian doctors or are they trying to screw you too?

B (12:18)

Because in every community, when people fight, there are some traitors, there are some, you know, brave people.

A (12:26)

But there were Indians like you. I mean, of course you have an accent. It's not your native language. Yeah, I live in Thailand. When I speak Thai, I sound like an American. I don't. I'm never gonna sound like them. How could they expect you to speak English like a local Canadian? That's not possible.

B (12:43)

That's. I agree with you. But why those Indian or other people on that side is because in the first meeting we have all the doctors, they said, we are doing really good, our business are good. If we bring more doctors all over the world, you know, not only India, any other country with their English language in our first language. And in that case, we have more competition.

A (13:09)

So then that's the point. All right, Follow the money. I knew had to be in that money element to it. And this happens in the States. A friend of mine went through this. He was a podiatrist in New York and he wanted to go to Florida and they blocked him because he was. He was a Catholic and they didn't want a Catholic in that group of podiatric doctors. And there's also competition. They kept the entry blocked because of money. There you said.

B (13:41)

So our fight also started with money. Actually not started with race. It started with money. It turned into ratio later.

A (13:49)

Okay, that was a.

B (13:50)

Anyway, then they have. The callists are targeting us. Those 13 doctor, they brought cases against us. Like bogus cases.

A (13:59)

Sure.

B (13:59)

And somebody even didn't make it. You know, college can generate any complaint anytime. And even the your client, somebody upset, they make a complaint. They can bring like they can make a castle out of sand, you know, the college.

A (14:14)

Sure.

B (14:14)

They have the power. So they start targeting us. I was in the human right, fighting in the human right at that time. And at the same time they're doing hearing against me and other members and I have to spend 100 days in the college hearings. And every time I was going in the hearing they were offering me. You want to walk away from him, Right? You already made a lot of money. You Already open up 24 Animal Hospital. Why the hell you fighting with us? We want to stop the new vet coming to B.C. and to basically end of the day to Canada. So why the hell are you fighting with us? Stop the fight. You can go back to work, you can make money. I said no, because this is wrong, you know, because any future generation, anybody coming to this country from any other country, if he's qualified, if he's a good doctor, he can practice. But you can. There's no way you can stop everybody just on the base of a language. This is.

A (15:18)

That's money.

B (15:19)

This is not money.

A (15:20)

You know, it's money.

B (15:22)

It's money. Yeah. So anyway, then after that, the human right. Let's come to the human right. 2000 up to 11, the human right hearing was going on. The human right hearing stopped in 2011. Then the judge took four years to make the decision. The decision came out in 2015. And those years, starting from 4 to 15, we are suffering in the hands of the college. They are poking us every day with the full power because human rights has no power to stop them from anywhere. During that time, like in 2004 when the English. English exam was implemented, one of the member, he got caught on the tape. One of the member from 16 Doctors, he got caught on the tape saying, English exam is brought to shut out Indo Canadian band.

A (16:18)

Oh, my God. There was the poison arrow.

B (16:21)

Yeah. So that tape was played in the media. We played in the human right also. So second tape we have is head of the CRC committee. What CRC committee is like when any complaint goes to the college, the registrar appoint them inspector who's a doctor. He gather all the evidence. Then he presented to the IC committee. CRC committee. Now they call ic CRC means Conduct Review Committee. There are nine doctors of that committee. The head of that committee was Dr. Rob Ashburner. He is my competitor. His clinic is close to my clinic, the main clinic. So he was the head of that committee. So my sister, I call her sister, Heather Pendragon, she went to his clinic undercover with the cameras, with a pet. She asked him, like, oh, you know, engage in the conversation. What do you think about Dr. Buller? He said he's like, I want to take his lessons. We are working really hard on him. He's a good doctor, but he's challenging us. And, you know, we are going to bring a levy. That's 2005 in September. We have no idea. They're going to bring Levy on us later on, all the members. Then at the end, she said, okay, how long it will take for you to take Dr. Bullard's license? In that tape, which was published all over the media, he said, the wheels of the justice are slow and it's gone are the days when we take a torch and warn them quicker way. And that's audio and video, you know. And he's the head of our committee. So that was published in Vancouver, Sun, Global Mail, all over Canada, all the newspapers. And that's why our documentary name is also Gone are the days. And so when he was the head of the committee, we went to the minister, told the minister like, this is the tape of this guy, audio and video. And he has so much poison against me other Indo Canadian doctor. He said a lot of bad things about black doctors also. And I said like, this guy is a clear cut racist guy. You should, you know, he should not be a seer like chairperson of this committee. The minister told us, get lost, go home.

A (18:59)

Wow.

B (19:00)

Till 2012 he was the head of the CRC committee. 2011 or 12 he resigned.

A (19:07)

What does CNC mean?

B (19:08)

So for the listeners, conduct the review committee. Okay? Conduct review committee. Okay? This is a powerful committee in the college. And they if there is any complaint goes against the doctor, that committee can charge the doctor or they can dismiss the dog, you know.

A (19:25)

Got it? Got it.

B (19:27)

So that that was crc. The next step was now the console. When the doctor, they have a complaint against the doctor, the inspector, he brings the story with the registrar. They gave to the CRC committee, Dr. Rob Ashburner. They prove the charges. Then it goes to inquiry committee which are three members, two, one layman, two doctors. And they approve the charges. Then go to the consulate council has six doctors in it. And those council members, they can give you punishment or they can say yes, you know, the charges are serious. We will give him fine or continue education. So but those four member of that council member, Dr. Grognet, he was a president of the college. Dr. Snowpack, he lives in Abbotsford. He was a vice president. Dr. Kirby, he become president one time. Also a secretary and register Bell Ray Oshborne, our Heather Pendragon, my sister the consul sent us one letter to all the membership. The concert was really upset in 2009 because members were asking question again and again. They're putting levy on us what we can do. And the console they said, you know, if you have any question, let us know through the membership. They put their phone numbers there. And my sister Heather Pendragon, under the name she called Dr. Snowpack, said I'm a doctor, I'm a veterinarian. I'm really upset on Dr. Buller. So anyway, she made nine tapes of Dr. Snowpack, Grognet and the Registar and Dr. GP. They are the judges against us.

A (21:17)

Oh my God.

B (21:19)

When usually when we go in the meeting, we have like I was in the meeting also sometime in front of the console, he said, when I got really upset on Dr. Buller, I want to punch him. I want.

A (21:32)

Oh, my God.

B (21:34)

And then when I cannot control my anger, then usually I cough. I say.

A (21:42)

Right.

B (21:43)

And so then I realized, like in the meeting when I was sitting with my lawyer, whenever he cough, everybody laughs. As a Canadian, normally we think something funny happened. So usually you give a smile also you say, yeah, like something.

A (22:01)

But his. His cough. His cough was meant. He wanted to punch you.

B (22:05)

He wanted to punch me. He. He practiced on the tape with my sister saying.

A (22:15)

Right.

B (22:15)

She said, how you say that again and again. He's saying on the tape, I say, and then he said, everybody laughs. Then she asked Dr. Grognet, which is a vice president, what do you think? You know, like he said, he said, he said, yeah. Whenever he copy, we know that he calling him and we laugh. But I have my own words for Dr. Bullet then. We have now had, you know, registar belorn. She said Dr. Bu. Sociopath, Bowman, Hater. Garvage. Whatever the word you can say, you know, these guys are talking about, I'm a. You know, like Hindus, they take.

A (22:58)

I feel like we're in high school. I feel like we're in high school.

B (23:02)

Backyard. Backyard kids know. Yeah.

A (23:04)

God.

B (23:05)

When I listen to all these tape. These tape got published in Vancouver, son. And go over and make all the major newspapers. And when I was listening to those tape, I. What the hell, man? Every time I go in the meeting, this guy coughing and everybody laughing, you know, began. It looks. You looks really stupid. Let me.

A (23:22)

Let me get some context. How old is this doctor?

B (23:28)

62, 63.

A (23:30)

Now, okay, so back then he was in his 50s.

B (23:33)

50 50s, yeah.

A (23:34)

All right, so he wasn't a young guy when he was talking about wanting to punch you and all this, but that.

B (23:39)

Okay, 55. 55, almost.

A (23:41)

Okay, all right, so he was already up in his years. This isn't a young guy.

B (23:46)

Okay, okay. That was a mature guy, almost 60s in 60s and wanting to punch you.

A (23:54)

And he's a doctor.

B (23:56)

And he's a doctor. They want to spit on my face and they're saying he's a. You know, that's the word they're using again and again. Well, but that's a lot of bad thing in that tape, you know, which.

A (24:09)

Right.

B (24:09)

I cannot share even though I bought it.

A (24:11)

Sure, sure, sure. I think you've given us. Good, good. I'm sorry for laughing, but it sounds so juvenile that's what kids do when we're young and in high school. We say all this. But to have doctors who were 50 plus years old saying this publicly, it just shows that we don't grow up in some cases, and it's pure frustration that comes out.

B (24:35)

But keep in mind, this tape was undercover tape.

A (24:39)

I understand, but it's. It's the real person. I'm sorry for laughing, but I'm laughing with you, not at you.

B (24:44)

You know, I agree with you.

A (24:46)

Yeah. With the situation. Hey, we all. I mean, I'm not perfect. I don't. I don't cuss publicly too often. Privately. Sure. Some things, we're human. We have ups and downs, you know, and I'll use something at times. Even humans have distemper and they're not themselves.

B (25:06)

That. I give you another story about this one. So when these tapes. There are many, many tapes. We did not. Only one.

A (25:13)

Was he also. I'm sorry, is. Was he a white Canadian?

B (25:17)

White Canadian. All over the white Canadian.

A (25:21)

All right. Was he making racist comments about you? Also undercover. Was he calling you, you know, effing Indian and all this stuff that.

B (25:29)

Any word you can use.

A (25:31)

Okay, okay, all right. Okay.

B (25:33)

Usually I Sometime I laugh, you know, because my parents, they were Sikh, which I don't believe in any religion actually. They were sick. I usually say, ah. He was talking about Hindus. I was sick, you know.

A (25:45)

Oh, that's funny.

B (25:46)

I know there's a major difference, you know, be joking. But I do seek. Is everything same, you know?

A (25:52)

Well, they're not. Yeah, it's. It's. I live in Thailand and I'll just make an interjection here. There are Thai Indians that have been here four and five generations. They don't even speak Punjabi, which is the language of. Of the Sikhs. Some of them, out of respect, I got a very close friend. His name is Vishai Romy, and he's Sikh. He had a Sikh wedding not too long ago. He's Thai Indian. He doesn't speak Hindi, you know, he speaks Thai and English, you know, and it's. And he can't relate to some of this. When I tell them about this in America, my God, they're racist there. Racism doesn't really exist here like that. But please continue. But let me, Let me go forward. Give us the. Give us the outcome, because I want to dig into your book a little bit too. Please tell us, doctor, I'm interested, but I want to get to what.

B (26:42)

No, I agree.

A (26:43)

Yeah, let's get there, doctor.

B (26:45)

Then in 2009, you know, after like my human right hearing was going on at the same time, you know, the consul they made the decision, they erased me from the register. And they also took license of other sex doctors, Indocanadian doctor. And then I went to the court and in 2011 I got my license back. So then the decision came out in 2015, October 2015. And at that time, you know, when I won the case in Supreme Court they went to the Court of Appeal, the next level in court.

A (27:25)

They took it up.

B (27:26)

Yeah, they took it up. But the Court of Appeal they have three judges. They told me, oh, you have to wait for human right because we will take your lessons again. They took my lesson again. So then I won the human right case in 2015 to bridge and it was published everywhere. It's still. You can find lot of articles on it. And it's a systemic racism. Systemic discrimination is first time proved against a regulator in the world. This article is written by Canadian Law Society. They said this is the first case in the world the regulators are touchable. And so this was approved and it was proven Then basically what they did the college, they want to fight still they. They challenged the human rights case, the decision. They went to the court again. But I got my license in 2016 back, you know, through the political way. Then 2017, they. Because I have two other cases pending, you know. And in that case the 2017, then they apologized from me, from my family and another. We have few minutes more. I can give you a couple of stories, interesting stories. Has a lot of stories. You know, I'm not able to cover everything. So like in 2011, when the human rights case closed, 2012, almost I thought about it. I said, you know, when the human right case car decision will come, I am 100 positive it will come in my favor. But if the decision come, they are not going to implement it. It's better let me file another two human rights cases because they're still targeting us and we put another two human rights cases in the meantime. I thought what they can do next. I think if they. If I won, they want to look for something again to charge me again, put more cases against me. So then I have two my of my friend. One is Dr. Abbas. He's Iranian guy. I told him 2012, wherever you go, he was working for me. Wherever you go say bad things about me. Dr. Buller is a bad guy. So we create that perception in the. In the community. Dr. Abbas, he hates me. I have another Indo Canadian doctor, Dr. Jendi. He's a specialist. He is board Certified orthopedic surgeon. I told him, can you sue me for $50,000?

A (30:02)

Oh my God.

B (30:03)

He sued me in small claim code for $50,000.

A (30:07)

Okay.

B (30:08)

And then we went to the court. I didn't tell my wife. He didn't tell his wife. Why he sued me because I didn't own a penny to him.

A (30:15)

Right.

B (30:16)

So in the code, my wife, she took the check. He said, Dr. Jandi, you are like we are from the same community and we love each other. Why the hell you're fighting in the court, gave you the check, you know. Laughing, he said no. He asked me to do that. Right. Anyway, we took the case back. But in the vet community we still telling the college like Dr. Jenny is my enemy. And he was telling Dr. Bullish Garbage, you know, everything. So the college, they buy that story. They were thinking the two enemy has Dr. Abbas and Dr. J. So when I won the case in 2015, they hired Inspector. His name is Hudson Andrew. He's a well known inspector in the world. He testified internationally.

A (31:01)

Okay.

B (31:02)

And he was a inspector from Health Canada hired by the government. This inspector, they hired him so they can charge put more charges against me. I cannot get my license back. So this guy came to Dr. Abbas first day, he said you are his enemy. We want. I need your help. You're working in with Dr. Bollo in his clinic. If you can give us some weaknesses, you know.

A (31:29)

Sure, sure.

B (31:30)

Then Dr. Boss called me Dr. Bowler. He's here. I don't know why the hell you're asking me so many years I have to say a bad thing about you now I know this inspector is here. I said just tell him there is a compliance named Hadi Master. This is the same Heather Pendragon you know, the same my sister who taped Dr. Ashwander who members. We changed her name to Hattie Mastel because her previous name was Master and said to just tell her there's a name discounted imply Heddy Master. And she has a lot of information about Dr. Bullock. And he gave that information. Next day this inspector, he went to Dr. Gendy. He said the same thing. He said I want to see her right away. So we put all the cameras on her.

A (32:19)

Oh my gosh.

B (32:20)

And we told the inspector we will meet you in Surrey library. Surrey is a well known city in B.C. here, close to Vancouver. And he went to the library. I was outside and my nephew Bill Buller he was doing the filming from outside when they. She has all the camera here and when they sit on the chair and he was talking on the way we are not going to mention his name. He is very well known in the community. So don't mention Dr. Bullough's name basically. Right, can we whisper? When they were sitting opposite each other close to his camera, he said yes, we are talking about Hakam buller, you know, Dr. Hakam Buller. Then he starts saying so many bad things about me. This guy, he said we want to see him in jail. Oh my gosh. Some bad. They want to hang him to death. They want to stun game. They hate him. And the government is with us. And there is a no way this guy can get his license back. He said he is a bad doctor. No, he's not a bad doctor because we don't like him. So that tape we gave to the lawyer, that tape was discussed in assembly of BC like by the opposition party NDP and then this was published in the media again. And oh my gosh, I love what this tape is. When my lawyer, Clea Parfet, she called the other side lawyer, the college lawyer, his name is Peter Gail. He's a well known lawyer. She said oh Mr. Peter, we got a tape. And he said oh, got F by Heather Pentagon. This is the word he used. Like this is the same woman. Because without even telling the name she said is that they should keep her picture in their pocket. You know these bastards, you know, they going again and again. So that tape was published again in the, in the media in 2015. That gave them really bad, you know, in it looks really bad on the government side because the minister was not doing anything. So that's why I got my license back. Because they got under pressure. The government was under pressure, you know. So then in 2017 they, they took the case back. They don't want to go into the Supreme Court. Then they apologize. Yeah.

A (34:46)

Wow. And so where, where did any of these people suffer any repercussions after saying all these things to you? I mean was there any justice at the end? Do you feel good about this? I see you smile a little bit. That's good. I mean that's wonderful. But did this I, I mean the one guy that was calling you effing this to your sister when she was first. What happened to him? Or was he just embarrassed through the press?

B (35:13)

That's really good question actually. So basically that's. I've told you the human rights system is really really bad. I mean in Canada, right? So what they do here, the judge, they gave me $30,000 after spending 2 million.

A (35:29)

Oh my God.

B (35:31)

And systemic discrimination proved. And all these you know, guys, whoever did to me the CRC had, you know, who proved charge against me without any evidence. Because judge, she didn't give the decision. She looked into each and every complaint, each and every case. She cleared everything on me, you know, and. But they can. Because the human right has no power, no teeth. They cannot say anything to any council member, to the CRC head, to the registar. Just one word they gave. Systemic discrimination proved the college is racist. Everybody from A to Z is racist. They did discrimination to Dr. Buller. That's it. There's no damage. And you cannot go to the Supreme Court on the basis of that to sue them for money or anything else.

A (36:23)

You can't sue them civilly. I mean, aren't the law, aren't the law similar in Canada to the United States?

B (36:30)

No, no. That's the beauty in the state, that's in the States, when you prove this kind of stuff, you can sue them for millions and millions of dollars.

A (36:37)

Civilly. Yes.

B (36:38)

They have to go to jail also. Well, that's criminal. That's different. They made good money because they all the meeting, they're charging 7, 800 and they made good money. The register took a half million dollar when she left the job. And not even a single penny they have to pay to anybody as you cannot sue them.

A (37:01)

Wow, I see. I didn't know that you don't got a civil. There's no civil recovery. That's crazy.

B (37:10)

Not even a penny. Because they say. When I went to the Supreme Court, I asked many lawyers, can I sue them? Because these guys, these are the people I suffered for four and a half year due to these people. I have six other doctors, they suffered and everything is cleared now. All the files are red sealed and. But they said no, that's the law of Canada. Because the judge gave you $30,000. The other 13 members, the judge, some people, they gave 10,000, they gave 5,000. $30,000. That's it, it's done deal.

A (37:48)

No. So let me, let me ask a few questions because I do understand the law from an American perspective. I was married to a, a litigator for many years when I was in Los Angeles and I, I just find it absolutely baffling. You can't use what happened as a recovery mechanism for the 2 million dollar outlay of legal fees. Were you, did you shoulder those personally or did you have the other doctors with you as a collaborative group for human rights?

B (38:17)

As a group, we spend over 5 million. Oh my God, 2 million. Just my own money I spent.

A (38:25)

Oh my word. Oh my word. That sounds like my divorce. But that was another.

B (38:33)

I can think like four and a half year and you're not practicing, you know, because that's the money you lost. Plus it's a humiliation and you didn't do anything. The kid. My kids suffered because I never find the only trauma, the bad trauma of the whole episode is in 2009 when they raised me from the register and there is one media outlet, cbc, they made a story like incompetent where they raised from the register rest of the media. They were positive, they agree with me. There's a discrimination going on. Its story was covered 32 times before. Anyway, that article. My kids were in school at that time. My older daughter, my son, he was in school the next day. Some of other kids, they put the article on the boards, different area of the school and they have to defend their dad, you know, saying incompetent bet. Oh Jesus. I was well known because in lot of her newspaper here, Georgia State, they gave me the title best ambassador to animal Kingdom. There's a best standard newspaper. They wrote Urban Legend. And there are many, many awards I. I won because I have. We have a low cost veterinary clinic. We are helping a lot of societies. So my kids, they never told me from 2009 up to 2016. Sixteen, they told me like we suffered so much trauma at that time and there are so many article every day people kids are printing. The kids, they do that, you know, and. But that's the problem because your kids went through that so much, you know.

A (40:13)

And then how's the other. Let me, let me. Let's talk about the book. So the book goes through these stories. When did you publish your book?

B (40:22)

It's coming on 15th, September.

A (40:25)

Oh, it comes out. It publishes now. How is. What forms are the book. Will the book be available in?

B (40:31)

It will be paperwork and ebook also.

A (40:36)

Okay. I would encourage, because I'm in the publishing business, I would encourage also having an audible and you have Audible in Canada, don't you?

B (40:47)

Yep.

A (40:48)

Okay. I would have somebody read it. You don't have to do it. You want to have a professional do that. Hire somebody. Once we close up. I'll give you some sources if you'd like. I would come out with an audible and that because people will want to sometimes consume it and listen to it. Like this was an audio podcast or visual as well. But that will help with this and we can talk about some media also to get this pushed because this story needs to be told not just in Canada, but the Americans where I Thought the racism was much more prevalent. I didn't realize that this happened in Canada. We think of Canadians as nice, smiling, snow people. You know, in the north, you're all snow people.

B (41:34)

I agree with you. Canada is the best country in the world. In other words, Canada gave me a lot of things, you know, a lot of positive way. But yes, the human right is really, really bad here.

A (41:46)

Well, let's, let's, let's move forward. You got the book coming out. The story needs to be told. I get it. I'm going to support you best I can by, by recommending some other outlets. I'm in media myself. I'm an NBC Channel 3 TV host in Las Vegas. I go back and record and do this. You got to exercise the media. Absolutely. You got to publicize this because what you did, you threw yourself into the fire to help future generations. And I applaud you with double chicken on that. I mean this is no joking manner and very serious. And I applaud you for your steel backbone because in order to endure this, I'm sure you got pressure from your kids and your wife. You got to give this up. Maybe, maybe, or maybe they supported you.

B (42:34)

Actually, my wife was very strong. You know, one time they called me, the college said when I was under full pressure, they put their, my certificate like license on the table. They offered one million dollar to me. Take one million and lessons. You can practice now. Just a mark away from the human right at the end. I'm talking about the human right closed. The decision came out at that time, 2014. I said, I need 15 minute break. I called my wife, I said, you know, they're offering $1 million and they want to give my license. They said, you can practice tomorrow and we will give you in writing. Also, we won't touch you in, in the future at all. We don't look on your clinic. She said, if you do that, I think I have to divorce you.

A (43:19)

So. Wow.

B (43:20)

Because you have to be strong with God gave us everything. We have to fight because I was just testing her because I know that I'm going to stand but she is a very never a person, you know.

A (43:33)

Like, well, you found, you found your soulmate. Clearly that's, that's fantastic. You know that you have somebody standing right next to you through this fight and you've come out the other end. Congratulations, you're coming out with a book. I'm eager to read it because this is, I, I learned something new. The beauty of being a, a, a host on podcasts, on television. I Hear things that firsthand from people. This is human. There's a human experience. And I got a qu. A couple questions for you. You come from a different country. I live in a different country. I've lived in seven different countries in my life. And this question I like to ask people who've lived and endured pain and come out the other end. Is man basically good or evil?

B (44:22)

I. It depends how you see it. Usually say good, you know, basically because you have to be positive all the time. If there is a little bit of negativity in the brain that will take you different way, different route, you know.

A (44:41)

Yeah, well, the glass half full versus half empty, you would talk about that. It's how you perceive it and you've endured. I. I believe. My guess is you choose to be positive moving forward because it pays. Good trumps evil. May I? Maybe trump isn't the right word to use, but it triumphs over evil and you practice. I know that you have to be a heart centered person because you're a doctor. Yes, you're a veterinary doctor, but that's a very high prestige in my, my view. I've had just to share my breed of choice. I've had six Belgian Malinois in my life. How do you like that breed? I'm now I'm asking you personal as.

B (45:30)

A, as a, as a doctor, as a doctor. We love every animal. You know, like yes, I think hyper dog.

A (45:40)

Yeah. Very nice breed, you know, and loyal, affectionate, all that and, and any, any regrets, Dr. Buular?

B (45:51)

No regrets. Actually no regrets. But I think in the book you can see lot of other stories. Unbelievable story because I wrote this book, you know, some of my clients when I was telling their. I practicing in Vancouver 30 years now, right in 95. And I work seven days a week almost every.

A (46:13)

Wow.

B (46:14)

You know, I don't want to take any break. Usually comes every day. My clients know that and my clients, when I was telling them one or two story to everybody, I said no, no, please write a book because at least that will tell the coming generations if the these regulators. Especially in Canada, in USA regulators are mostly controlled by the government. Here we have semi controlled regulators and they are supported by the government. 100 so any medical doctor, dentist, veterinarian, when I talk to those professionals, some of people they are suffering silently. They're suffering discrimination, you know, because in our case when we were fighting in the human right, I put ad in the paper to get other cases. We got 70 cases against Native ads where blenders done by the vets. They close the file. So that's why we did a comparison in human right. So this book will show you not only one thing, starting from the beginning, how to gather evidence, how to get tapes, how to get, you know, comparison, how to fight in the human right. You know, so it's not a one thing, it's a lot of things in it, you know, Know.

A (47:28)

Well, that's fantastic. Now where are your kids today and how old are they?

B (47:32)

Yeah, my son is a medical doctor. He's doing his internship in usa. My daughter is a veterinarian. The older daughter and my third daughter, she is a psychologist. She's doing masters in psychology.

A (47:44)

Well, so they're all very successful. They've, they, they've taken on your. I don't know what your wife. But it's, you know, it's always a two, it's a team. But between the two it sounds like you're proud of your, of your kids as well. They've, they've. That's fantastic. Dr. Buller, I have to say your, your story was inspirational because I know that going through this is a trauma. It's a trauma and it challenges. But you stuck, you stood the course. You stood strongly in your path and didn't deviate. You waited till the outcome and then finally, let's just say the, the fruit of your labor is here. You're now able to tell your book. I would tap into all the media possible to tell this story because the people who are responsible for this need to be told on. They need to have their names out there. I'm glad you name drop because people shouldn't get away with these, these deals, you know, and it's. I, I think if we don't hold people accountable versus relying on, oh, I believe in karma and God will get them. I think that's bs. I, you've got to take care of these situations. Now. I'm not going to knock religion. It's fine for some people. I don't believe in man made religions myself. I'm saying this publicly and I'm going to probably get in trouble because I have a lot of clients that are religious and that's fine for them. I don't, I don't. I believe that you karma is a cop out and you've got to take care of these situations in this life because who knows what happens next. I'm not going to question or. That's another topic. Another day, that whole piece, I mean, that's another topic. But right now our responsibility as adults and as responsible human beings, albeit Canadian American, whatever, whatever country is to hold people accountable today. And you stood the course and man, you made my spine stand a little more erect today. And I've got some, I've got some cervical problems but, but they're standing good right now. It feels like the jelly's good in between my vertebra.

B (50:00)

And yeah, that, that was even on that day when they offered me $1 million. I came out after 50 minutes, I went back, I said, what I have to do. They said, oh, we will give you 1 million on Monday. We will call the media and we're going to say everything is settled, our differences are sort out and everything ready to go. I said, okay, what I can do is I pull out the check. I said, I'll give you 1.1 million. I will donate to the college. And if you can say on Monday you, yes, you discriminated against me and.

A (50:38)

They wouldn't do it.

B (50:40)

They, there are 10, 15 people. They stand up and they start shouting on me. They said, we want to make sure you never ever come back to the profession. So that was really trauma. These two trauma I have in this one was my kids. The second, this trauma when this president, vice president, all these guys standing there, they are shouting on me, you know, make sure you will never ever come to the profession. Never ever. I up to today, usually I never use fo to anybody. I never show finger to anybody. That day I showed them the finger, actually made a finger. I said, well, you're human.

A (51:21)

You're human. You're not, you know, you're not a, a puppy. You're human and you have every right to say that. You showed him the finger and said f you because they deserved it and good for you.

B (51:33)

I said, I will come back. You cannot stop me, buddy. You cannot stop me coming back. You know, I will come back. And they said, they were shouting like constantly shouting out 10, 15 people.

A (51:44)

Oh, that's funny. That's f. Well, not funny. It's entertaining that, that, because we went right back to the playground in that, in that instance, you know, wow. Wow. Well, Dr. Buller, you have been a great guest, an amazing authority, hence the name of the show. I wish you all the success with your book. I will certainly support you in your launch when the time comes, when you're ready to launch and do that. And thank you for sharing with our audience and showing perseverance, perseverance, belief, conviction, stick to it. Iveness and strength. That's what I would say if I were to refer to you. I don't know what you could bench press, it doesn't matter. But as a strong man with the mind, I bet you could bench a thousand pounds, you know, and that's that you what you endured, man, you got whipped and you didn't let it leave any scars on your back, man. You push forward and I, I respect you, I admire you and I wish you all the best. Dr. Bullar, thank you for coming on Amazing Authorities today.

B (52:54)

Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

A (52:56)

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