01/12/2026: IRAN. IRAN SO FAR AWAY...

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast: Episode Summary

Podcast: The Antihero Broadcast
Date: January 12, 2026
Episode Title: IRAN. IRAN SO FAR AWAY...
Audience: Veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans

Episode Overview

This episode of The Antihero Broadcast centers on three major topics:

• Ongoing drama within the Navy SEAL/veteran podcast community, focusing on the Rob O’Neill lawsuit and Dan Crenshaw social media spat
• Updates and perspectives on recent law enforcement news, particularly reactions to ICE operations, the Minneapolis shooting, and the use of deadly force
• A deep dive into the unfolding protests in Iran, the government’s Internet shutdown, the cultural moment, and the geopolitics around potential US and Israeli intervention

All this is delivered with the podcast’s characteristic blend of gallows humor, informal banter, directness, and strong opinions grounded in military and law enforcement experience.

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Table of Contents

1. Rob O’Neill Lawsuit & SEAL Team Drama (03:10-31:03)
2. Sports Break with Canine (34:52-42:46)
3. Law Enforcement News: ICE Support, Minneapolis, Portland (48:29-69:45)
4. Venezuela & Global Security Brief (74:36-79:12)
5. Iran Protests & Geopolitics (79:12-104:06)
6. Military & Service Reflection (110:08-113:44)
7. Notable Quotes & Moments
8. Key Timestamps Reference

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1. Rob O’Neill Lawsuit & SEAL Team Drama (03:10-31:03)

Background

• Rob O’Neill, SEAL Team 6 member credited with killing Osama bin Laden, is suing other SEALs and affiliated podcasts for defamation, alleging they dispute his story.
• The Antihero Broadcast’s legal team (Tim Palatore, attorney for Gallagher, Ryan, Stumpf) is involved in the defense.
• Congressman Dan Crenshaw inserts himself into the drama, drawing podcast hosts’ criticism.

Key Points

• Palatore went public with the defense legal strategy, arguing the lawsuit is “a terrible tactical error by Rob O’Neill” (17:47).
• The lawsuit may force testimony about classified operations, potentially exposing others and putting active operators at risk. Palatore aims to dismiss via anti-SLAPP strategy before discovery.
• Much of the “evidence” backing O’Neill is secondhand, i.e., “I wasn’t there, but Rob told me he shot Bin Laden” (16:05, 17:47).
• If a defendant is just referencing publicly available information (e.g., Bissonnette’s book), “the author of [another] book cannot possibly legally sue you for defamation and win” (24:50 - 25:14).
• Crenshaw, who was not involved, objected online, calling Palatore a “halfwit lawyer” and Sean Ryan “a liar and coward,” making the dispute about himself (11:21-12:20).
• The team criticizes Crenshaw for being “just like every other politician” rather than upholding the “higher standard” expected from SEALs/veterans turned public servants (9:18 and 10:09).

Notable Quotes

• Palatore: “You can’t just go into court and say, ‘I shot Bin Laden, and all my friends heard me say it’... You’re going to have to actually have the people that were in the building come in and testify.” (17:00)
• Mike: “There was expectations of [Dan Crenshaw] to be different, and he wasn’t.” (9:03)
• Lewis: “If otherwise, you’re not a Navy SEAL anymore. You’re just a politician.” (9:39)

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2. Sports Break with Canine (34:52-42:46)

• Canine joins for a sports discussion, focusing on the previous night’s NFL results, sports betting picks, and a rundown of the Steelers vs. Texans playoff game.
• Lighthearted banter about Steelers’ fan stereotypes and “white boy sports” (golf, NASCAR, hockey).
• Canine jokes about fighting Rob O’Neill in the ring (35:01).

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3. Law Enforcement News: ICE Support, Minneapolis, Portland (48:29-69:45)

ICE Operations & Police Leadership Response

• Chicago’s police chief openly supports ICE, defying the mayor and emphasizing the “law enforcement brotherhood.”
• In contrast, Portland’s police chief delivered an emotional (some say performative) press conference, “crying” on camera about a recent ICE/HSI officer-involved shooting (53:53–56:01).
• Heated debate regarding the appropriateness of police/public leaders showing raw emotions after critical incidents.
• Discussion on “following” law enforcement officers/ICE agents—a distinction is made between casual citizen recording (usually allowed) and organized, aggressive vehicle-to-vehicle following, which is viewed as dangerous interference (72:02).

Use of Deadly Force

• Minneapolis incident: Justification and aftermath of agents using deadly force when box-in tactics or vehicle ramming occur.
• Statement from Chicago PD: “If you box them in, it is reasonable for [ICE agents] to believe they’re being ambushed … and reasonable for them to use force.” (67:27)

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4. Venezuela & Global Security Brief (74:36-79:12)

• Update on Venezuela: Law is being enforced “with machine guns,” and the US is applying pressure to foster a peaceful electoral transition.
• Oil sector involvement: Chevron and US business interests are waiting for security guarantees before re-engaging.
• “Casus belli” (reason for war): The US administration is looking for justification to increase involvement, but currently opting for a slow, strategic approach (75:24).

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5. Iran Protests & Geopolitics (79:12-104:06)

The Iranian Uprising

• Due to rising inflation, economic collapse, and government corruption, mass protests have broken out in Iran.
• The regime imposed a near-total Internet blackout, but activists are circumventing it via Starlink (Elon Musk’s satellite internet), with specific technical workarounds (84:09).
• Social/cultural rebellion is led by women defying Islamic dress codes and burning images of the Ayatollah.
• There is open nostalgia for the era before the 1979 Revolution (the Shah’s rule) as platforms change Iran’s digital flag to the old Persian Lion banner.

US & Israeli Interests

• The Trump administration signals support for Iranian protestors; meanwhile, Israel is strongly pushing for US intervention to weaken Iran.
• Major concern that any robust US intervention would be both extremely complex and potentially counterproductive—hosts argue for “let them sort it out themselves” (101:56).
• Co-hosts riff on Persian/Iranian history, including views of religious power, the influence of the old Persian empire, and surprisingly in-depth discussion of Spartan (Greek) social structure and military upbringing—complete with dark humor and jokes about “battle gay” Spartans (90:15-94:07).

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6. Military & Service Reflection (110:08-113:44)

• Hosts reflect on their own service backgrounds and discuss the allure (and grind) of high-level US government work (Delta Force, Secret Service, etc.).
• The point is made that dissatisfaction is universal: every tier looks up to the next (“You’ll always look at someone else’s job and think, ‘that’s so cool’”).

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7. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On SEAL Drama:

• “You’re held to a higher standard.” – Mike [10:09]
• “If otherwise, you’re not a Navy SEAL anymore. You’re just a politician.” – Lewis [9:39]

On Law Enforcement & Leadership:

• “I can look at you and go, that was a great thing you did as an American and as a war fighter. That doesn’t mean you’re not capable of other things.” – Jimmy [08:34]
• “No one wants to see a police leader cry. Angry, maybe, sure. But [not] cry.” – Mike [55:00]

On Iran:

• “They’re learning in real time what they’re being lied to about. We’re now … just know we’ve been lied to all day, every day.” – Mike [87:21]
• “Social/cultural rebellion is led by women in Western clothes lighting cigarettes off burning Ayatollah pictures.” – Jimmy [83:20]
• “Our country is now focused on going back in history and figuring out what we were lied to.” – Mike [87:42]

On Service & Perspective:

• “You’ll always look at and go, that guy’s got a cool job. You’ll never take in the fact that what you’re doing is such an important piece.” – Mike [110:57]

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8. Key Timestamps Reference

• [03:10] Rob O’Neill lawsuit and legal strategy discussion
• [11:21] Dan Crenshaw’s social media outburst
• [16:05] Lawsuit tactics and defamation law explanation
• [24:50] Defamation law and military books
• [34:52] Transition to sports coverage
• [48:29] ICE law enforcement updates, Chicago PD/Portland PD responses
• [67:27] Chicago PD’s statement on ICE deadly force
• [74:36] Venezuela security brief
• [79:12] Start of Iran protest/geopolitics deep dive
• [84:09] Technical advice for Starlink circumvention in Iran
• [90:15]–[94:07] “Battle gay” Spartans, Greek military history
• [110:08] Service, jobs, and the grind of elite government positions

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Tone & Delivery

• Informal, no-holds-barred, bantering style with much irreverence, dark humor, authenticity, and inside-baseball references.
• Willingness to tackle taboo topics and criticize both the law enforcement/military establishment and activist culture.
• Clear attribution where possible, natural flow, peppered with memorable one-liners and direct quotes.

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This summary is intended to be comprehensive and engaging for listeners who missed the episode, providing all context, arguments, and unique flavor of The Antihero Broadcast.

Transcript

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[Mike]

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[Lewis]

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[Jimmy]

Can we give a hint? Can we give a hint?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, we can do a hint.

[Jimmy]

Wood chipper.

[Mike]

Yeah. Cap.

[Lewis]

If you're in our Patreon, you already know the though. And tomorrow's show is only Patreon, so make sure you join.

[Mike]

Let's see here. Reflections. The only really reflection we have is Rob o' Neill Updates. Oh, you forgot the little thumbnail. It's okay. I just spent time making it. But we got to make it. So where it's not go to see it up there. Nope. Media assets. Nope. Right.

[Lewis]

It's his first day. Relax.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

It'S his first day.

[Mike]

We'll work on it and get it smaller so it actually looks like a easy fix.

[Lewis]

We'll just do it later, though.

[Mike]

Yeah, we'll do it later.

[Jimmy]

I don't know if we can make his head any smaller. I'm sorry.

[Mike]

I go, hey, Lewis, did you send canine the link? He goes, not yet. I'll do it later.

[Canine]

All right.

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah, doing it right now. You play the video?

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, so what happened was our lawyer, Tim Palator. Palator. Is it Palator.

[Jimmy]

Palator.

[Mike]

Palatore. He's the name. He's the. The lawyer for Eddie Gallagher, Sean Ryan, and another prominent Navy seal. Oh, Andy Stump, I think, is his lawyer. We obviously reached out to him because of his expertise in. In that world. We needed a lawyer that understood the SEAL team, understood everything we're going through. And so we hired him and we posted. He went on and. Which was kind of surprising to me. I wasn't against it, but I was not expecting him to come on there and give the game plan.

[Jimmy]

But that's Sean Spicer, by the way.

[Mike]

I don't know who that is.

[Jimmy]

Sean Spicer was Trump's first press secretary.

[Mike]

Okay. Yeah. And he. He went out and laid the game plan. And I was. I was talking with Heather, and she's like, that's how cut and dry this thing is, is that it's literally.

[Jimmy]

Literally tell you how.

[Mike]

How bad of a decision it was for Rob o' Neal to do this. He. I mean, he literally put the whole blueprint in front of the entire world and said, this is how it's going to go, because it's that easy.

[Lewis]

I think he's throwing a hail Mary and there's a. Another Navy SEAL that jumped on this in the comments of this. Yeah, that I think is throwing the same Hail Mary. It seems like guys that are going to Be irrelevant. I mean, you don't care if I talk about it, do you?

[Mike]

No.

[Lewis]

Okay, so Dan Crenshaw jumped in to criticize the attorney.

[Mike]

Hold on, let me send the picture.

[Lewis]

And it's. You know, I believe Dan is very soon going to be irrelevant. I think he's going to lose his reelection. It looks like he's on the way out. Any sitting congressman who has no worries or not worried about anything is not going to be throwing Hail Mary, trying to come on, engaging with us, engaging on pot, you know, lawyer talk and podcasts and threatening Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan's one of the most popular dudes in podcasting and in the team. It's like you can't go at him unless you really have some. Something substantial. This back and forth about. He canceled. He canceled. Sean doesn't need him. Sean doesn't need to talk to him. Sean doesn't need to say anything to him. Sean's fine. Dan seems to be. He needs the light. He needs something. And it seems very similar to what Rob o'.

[Mike]

Neill.

[Jimmy]

I mean, and remember, Tim was not talking about Dan. He was talking about Rob. And.

[Mike]

And Dan made it about him.

[Lewis]

Well, of course he did. Like I said, he's.

[Jimmy]

How would you know what's good for the Seal teams?

[Mike]

Yeah, and we'll know. What's funny is that I have no. I don't have any issues with Dan. I definitely don't hate him the way other people. Lewis, I sent you a screenshot right now to the email. Whenever you get that picture, if you could put it up. I don't have any issues with Dan Crenshaw. I really don't. I mean, I know, like I said, a lot of people don't like them. Like, I don't know one person that likes them. I think I've seen a comment once that said, dan's not that bad of a guy.

[Jimmy]

I don't think he's that bad of a guy. I. I don't have any problems with him.

[Mike]

I mean, I. I think it's the trading that I. I am. From what I'm reading, Dan Crenshaw clearly was involved in insider trading. Like 100.

[Lewis]

That's what everybody says.

[Jimmy]

Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Mike]

And so.

[Lewis]

And we asked him about that, and he came up with. And I think.

[Jimmy]

I know you asked him.

[Lewis]

I pressed him a little bit about that because it's like saying, you know, you can't have money in somebody else's name and another account or. Be fun. I don't have any money. Here's my account. It's like, okay, like, you guys can have other accounts. You can't make money. I mean, it's a month. What are we in Minnesota? Minneapolis? We lost 8 billion.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

You know, you can hide money. So it's like to just say, I told you so. Look at my account. I don't have that money. Well, why is everybody saying it? And why is everybody, you know.

[Mike]

Well, what you were looking for, like any human being is. Mike, I absolutely have never, ever abused insider trading once in my life. Not me. No. Nor proxy, nor nothing. I have no account. You're kind of looking for that.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

It wasn't the answer. The answer was, well, here's my one account. And look at it. This is exactly what I do. And it's like, you didn't answer my question.

[Jimmy]

So, I mean, one of the hardest things in the world to do is lie to some veteran cops. Because you guys just assume. Yeah, everybody's lying.

[Mike]

Especially Mike. He's seen the lies of the lies of all a scope of lies.

[Lewis]

It's just a simple question, you know, It's a simple question. It's like when I answer a question, it's very. And that's what we do. We set him up. Yes questions to get to the big question. But he. He does. He would never. I even asked him, have you ever done anything wrong in your life?

[Jimmy]

Like, yeah.

[Lewis]

Have you ever, like, broken a window and didn't tell anybody? Did you ever steal a. A pen? It was like, I. I'm a hero. I've never done anything wrong. Everything I say is right. It's like that. That leads me to believe that you're covering for something.

[Jimmy]

Here's. You know, this is the same thing that I run into all the time. How do you look at these guys and go, I believe your character. Service was great. I mean, let's. Let's be real clear here. The guy lost an eye and a good part of his face fighting the wars for our country. I'm not taking that away. I. But I can look at you and go, that was a great thing you did as an American and as a war fighter. That doesn't mean you're capable, not capable.

[Lewis]

Of doing other things.

[Mike]

Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't see this severity of it because I don't trust any politicians whatsoever. And so Dan Crenshaw, to me, is just doing the same thing all politicians are. But I. I do believe that there was expectations of him to be different, and he wasn't.

[Lewis]

That's what I was going to say. I'm going to say, when you are a police officer, you're a war hero, you're a Navy seal. It's like, okay, everybody's inside training illegally. Come on over. You're supposed to have that character that, yeah, you're above and beyond. You did things most people couldn't do. Like, I'm not going to participate in those things. If otherwise, you're not a Navy SEAL anymore. You're just a politician.

[Jimmy]

Right.

[Lewis]

You know, you can take the Navy SEAL port, but you were a mechanic. You were whatever. You did a different job. Now you're an elected official. You're acting just like every other elected official. You're not upholding the standard that you claimed was so important to you.

[Jimmy]

I think that the best way to describe it is if, if you guys get in trouble, the first thing they're going to say is for former police officer.

[Lewis]

Yes.

[Mike]

Okay, that's very true.

[Jimmy]

And so with Dan Crenshaw and with anybody who was in the SEAL teams, the first thing they say is, former Navy seal, whoever. Right.

[Mike]

It's the. You're held to a higher standard.

[Jimmy]

Exactly.

[Mike]

That's what it is.

[Jimmy]

And the expectations of the public is.

[Lewis]

Higher for your entire life. You could be a one year cop that didn't make probation, get fired and then rob a bank. Three years later they're going to say former officer so and so.

[Jimmy]

Exactly.

[Lewis]

Even though he didn't make the program, he didn't graduate. He just had that title for a short period of time. It juices up the story, makes it sound a little better. So.

[Mike]

All right, you got Dan Crenshaw's comment up there?

[Lewis]

Yep.

[Mike]

All right, I can't read it. Can anybody read that?

[Jimmy]

Give me one second. As soon as the.

[Mike]

Oh, he made it super big. Oh, wow. So really, I can read it. 100 inch TV.

[Jimmy]

All right, so this is. This is the comment from Congressman Dan.

[Lewis]

Crenshaw and set the platform. This is a video completely not involving Dan Crenshaw.

[Jimmy]

No, this was a reel that Tyler.

[Lewis]

Made and he tagged that. He tagged Daddy, right?

[Mike]

No, I didn't even tag anything.

[Lewis]

Oh. Eddie ended up in it after the fact.

[Mike]

I know. This is Tim's story. Okay, So I tagged Tim.

[Lewis]

Okay.

[Mike]

I collabed with Tim, our lawyer in it, and he accepted it. And then Tim went and made and posted this and. And collabed with Eddie, but never was there. Because you want to know why I didn't collab with Eddie? Because it had nothing to do with Eddie and Dan Crenshaw.

[Lewis]

But I didn't end it up there. Okay.

[Jimmy]

All right.

[Mike]

So.

[Jimmy]

So Dan. Dan Crenshaw, the congressman from Texas, says the o' Neal saga aside, okay, well, that's what this is about. So this is why, by the way, I asked. I was like, hey, can I engage with this? And, you know, you guys were like, matt, the suit said, no, that's not a good idea. This is. This is not about. This is not about Dan Crenshaw. This is about Rob o' Neal and us. And I went, okay, roger that. But I'll say it here. The o' Neill saga aside, well, that's what this is about, Congressman. This half wit lawyer has no business talking about what's good for the SEAL teams. Okay? His rep, he represents a liar and coward, Sean Ryan. So now we're making it about himself. He misled the public about the communications he had with my staff and my attorney in order to help Sean Ryan save face while he backed out of our interview like a total coward. No one should care what Palatore has to say.

[Mike]

And again, I don't follow this drama. So I. I remember the Sean Ryan, Dan Crenshaw lawyer emails were put out there, and like, it was 14 slides. I'm like, dude, I don't have the time of day to worry about 14 slides for our show, let alone some other. So I don't know what happened, who backed out of what. Everybody points fingers. Dan would never go on unless it's on hinter. But then he said Sean Ryan made terms and then act out.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it's. It's so. It. It's so ridiculous. First of all, like, trying to explain this to my father who was in Special Operations, I felt like that meme where he's, like, looking at the board, you know, from Always Sunny, like, trying to explain all of the interwoven crap that was in this.

[Lewis]

But even the attack was whack because he's represent, like Special Ops guys against a Navy seal.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

So to talk about, you have to talk about it, because Rob o' Neal is a seal. He made a. Filed a lawsuit. He's defending you guys against Rob o'.

[Jimmy]

Neal.

[Lewis]

So how does he not talk about. So it's like the insertion of Dan Crenshaw about Don't talk about the seal. It doesn't make sense. It's just. It's. It's an effort to get his name on the bottom of some comment and, and have some traction.

[Mike]

And.

[Jimmy]

And I. I mean, I have talked to some. Some dudes in the SEAL teams, and I. The thing that a lot of Navy SEALs have is like, unless you're a SEAL, you can't talk about the SEAL teams. But not all the seals feel that way. Especially when you're talking about stuff like this. That's like, this has.

[Lewis]

This is this core drama.

[Jimmy]

This isn't.

[Lewis]

You're not talking about tactics or.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Operational procedures or abstraction reviews. That was a layout. Yeah, I laid that one up for you guys. But, yeah, it's like, I get it. He wasn't. He was talking about a lawsuit and why it was bad. Bad tactics, ostensibly.

[Jimmy]

He is correct. Ah.

[Mike]

I love it, dude. I mean, there's never been an episode where you have not dropped a word that I had. I didn't know of.

[Jimmy]

Like, I swear to God, I'm not.

[Lewis]

Doing it on purpose.

[Mike]

There's no way. There's no way you're not. I use that word ostensibly, ostensibly, extensively.

[Jimmy]

It's ostensibly, ostensibly.

[Lewis]

No idea.

[Jimmy]

All right, all right.

[Mike]

What's that? Okay, yeah, I'm trying to use context clues from now.

[Lewis]

Hey, Louis, from now on, when we hear that word and we start talking about it, you got to look it up and find out what it's.

[Jimmy]

What it means.

[Mike]

Not right now.

[Lewis]

Next week.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, tomorrow. Yeah. So he. Dan, Tim is completely correct. This is not a good look for the SEAL teams. Most importantly, because some of these guys are still operational in some capacity. They may not be, you know, out there at Damn that kicking outdoors anymore, but the guys on that raid, a lot of them are still working within the US Government, and a lot of them, even more so, don't want to have to talk to.

[Mike]

Do you guys want to play the video? I mean. Oh, yeah. You guys want to. Yeah. All right.

[Interviewer]

And Rob o', Neal, former Navy.

[Mike]

You're good. You're good.

[Interviewer]

Deal. Has largely been credited with killing Osama bin Laden. My understanding is a he is going after a group of people who dispute that claim. You represent those people, correct?

[Tim Palatore]

Yes, I do.

[Interviewer]

Okay. And so he's going to sue them for defaming him.

[Mike]

What.

[Interviewer]

What's the case that your team is going to make against Rob o'?

[Jimmy]

Neal?

[Tim Palatore]

Yeah, this is a terrible tactical error by Rob o', Neil because it has been well known through the SEAL teams, and particularly in Dam Neck for years, that he's taking credit for something he didn't do. And so he filed this defamation lawsuit saying that anybody who says that he didn't take the shot is defaming him, even though he admits in the lawsuit that there is another book that came out before his, written by Matt Bissonnet, which Tells a very different tale that he was not the shooter. And then he attaches to it several statements from people that, that, you know, supposedly are backing him. And yet when you read all the statements, they all say essentially the same thing. Rob o' Neal is a great guy. I wasn't in the building, but I know he shot bin Laden because he told me he shot bin Laden. And so what we're going to do is we're going to be able to put forth a defense of statements of people who were in the building to say, I was there, he didn't do it. You know, his story is false. So it's one of these bizarre things. Honestly, I kind of feel bad for Rob because I feel like he was probably misled by a bad lawyer telling him this is a good idea without explaining to him how the system works and what he's going to actually have to prove in court. Because you can't just go into court and say, I shop in Laden. And all my friends back me up because they all heard me say it. You're going to have to actually have the people that were in the building come in and testify about what happened.

[Interviewer]

Well, and that's the question. Are they, Are they, are they. Is the military going to have to open up records or are they going to say that's classified?

[Tim Palatore]

Well, so what my intention here is is to take the publicly available information and take certain statements from individuals and use it in the context of an anti SL slap motion strategic lawsuit against public participation to end this lawsuit before it even gets to discovery. Because let's be honest, the fight over trying to pull in all of these, you know, operators to, you know, put them under oath to talk about an opera. A classified operation they did is a mess. It's bad. It's bad for the SEAL teams, it's bad for the operators, it's bad for Rob o'. Neal.

[Mike]

And so why, when this first happened, the first conversation we. I had with Brent, I was like, are they really. Is the military, the SEAL team, socom, all these Jade War comp. Yeah, warcom. Are they all. Are they going to allow this way? No. I mean, way. No, they can't.

[Lewis]

And like top secret mission, you can't just go, well, this guy.

[Mike]

Stupid ass civil lawsuit.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I mean the, there is still some precedence for getting information on classified operations with FOIA requests. There, there is also subpoenas because remember, this is civil. But also I was surprised that he brought up that this was going to federal court.

[Mike]

Well, no, that's, that's Been the plan the whole time. I, I, oh, you're surprised he said it?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I was surprised that he was like.

[Mike]

The reason why this is going to federal court is because New York, where it was filed, is a liberal place, and it's all un. It's unknown how they'll handle it. Their judges are elected by the people because it's New York and the jury is going to be a New York jury and all that stuff where in a. If they move it to federal case, all the same New York rules apply, but they're appointed judges.

[Jimmy]

Well, there's also the issue of. And I think this is where Tim was coming from, is that Rob o' Neal resides in Montana.

[Mike]

I kept saying, I kept telling people that I don't know how the this ended up in New York. He's got another house.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So Rob o' Neill resides. His permanent residences in Montana. We are here in Florida.

[Mike]

It's not, it's a.

[Jimmy]

And, and that's across state lines, which, if I'm not mistaken, and y' all are the guys that have been done more of this that makes it go to federal because it's. No, this is civil.

[Mike]

Me and Mike literally have very little experience, if any, in civil cases, but especially one like this where it's Montana, New York and Florida. That's. That is. You're right. Another reason why. Yeah. It was pushed to federal York, right? Yeah. One of the Steins.

[Lewis]

That's why. That's why it's filed in New York.

[Mike]

Yeah. So he's probably.

[Jimmy]

Never mind. Yeah. All right.

[Lewis]

We'll keep playing home field advantage.

[Tim Palatore]

He thought this was a good idea is beyond me. So we're, we're going to try and get this thing dismissed before we even get to discovery so that, you know, we can. And one of my major goals here is not only to make sure that the truth is told, but also to protect the other members of the team that Rob o' Neill has decided to put at Jeopardy through his own stupidity.

[Interviewer]

Do you think, though, in the course of this. Because I can see Rob o' Neill potentially saying, I don't want to litigate this for whatever reason. Is the goal to get him to back down or to reveal who truly shot bin Laden?

[Tim Palatore]

He's the one that sued. He can dismiss it anytime.

[Jimmy]

That's a.

[Tim Palatore]

He could dismiss it this afternoon and the whole thing goes away. I think that, you know, politically, I think he's over committed to where it's very difficult for him to be able to back down and maintain any credibility. But you know, my client has no ability to make this thing just go away. He's not gonna pay pause Rob.

[Mike]

So there was, there was some things about that. So there's some theories on why. How when Rob decided to drop this lawsuit, it was directly after Brent Tucker on his show, the Tier 1 podcast, said he must be lying because he would have sued me by now. And Rob put that as the. Oh, well, it's not really a theory. Rob put that in his lawsuit that the reason why I'm doing this is because Brent Tucker said this on his show. So therefore he's forcing my hand.

[Jimmy]

Let's, let's be real clear here. Brent Tucker was an operator for a very long time as well, and he is not a stupid man.

[Mike]

I mean, I, I, one thing I won't touch on when they're gonna go into it here is that Brent's training and experience leads him to believe that Rob is being untrue that I'm not going to touch on because I don't know a. If that will legally stand in a defamation court case. It's not one of our point. It's not one of our most important points as a team that we're using. I think Tim just kind of wanted to go. And of course, you get a client as a Delta Force guy. Like, he's, Tim's able to say, I represent Eddie Gallagher, Andy Stump, Sean Ryan, and now Brent Tucker. So someone that watched this said, why didn't he, like, why doesn't he reference on. Unfortunately, in the world we live in, in this drama world, Tyler and Jimmy don't hold enough weight. But a Delta Force guy, he's gonna go, who?

[Jimmy]

Tyler? Who, Jimmy?

[Lewis]

What?

[Mike]

No, not our lawyer. Yeah, our lawyers.

[Jimmy]

No, I mean, the average person that's going to listen to, it's going to be like, okay, well, well at least maybe know about this guy.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Not.

[Mike]

It's just you get to say, I represent a Delta Force guy that's in the, in the news. So go ahead and keep it going.

[Tim Palatore]

And so he's going to continue pushing forward to try and get this thing dismissed based on a defense that he was telling the truth. And here's, here's another thing. You know, Rob o' Neill is a public figure. He wrote a book about this. He goes on TV all the time. He's made tens of millions of dollars through books and speeches and everything else, telling everybody that he killed bin Laden. And under the law of defamation, you have to show actual malice that the person speaking there knew what they were saying. Was false or acted with reckless disregard for the truth. You have a second book written by Matt Bissonnette that was published before Rob's book that says that the point man shot him. You have all sorts. And by the way, my client is a former Delta operator, and so he also knows the tactics of how you do these building clearings. And so just simply reading Rob o' Neill's story, it works great for Hollywood, but it doesn't work great for tier one operators to know how these operations actually go down. It's very easy to see, you know, where the. Where the falsities are in his story. And so. But even setting that aside, if you have two books, one person, one book that says A, one book that says B, and you come out and you give a podcast where you say, you know what? I've read these two books. I think this book is more credible. The author of this book cannot possibly legally sue you for defamation and win. I mean, just based on that one tiny little principle that.

[Mike]

So he's absolutely right. We. We talked about that. Mike has been driving this home ever since the lawsuit came out, is that we are literally regurgitating something that's been out for over a decade.

[Lewis]

Somebody already wrote it. Somebody wrote it and said it wasn't true.

[Mike]

If somebody does a book review, you repeated it. Are they gonna get. Are they gonna get sued? Like, I reviewed the book by Marco, AKA Matt Bissonnet, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Jimmy]

You know, but by that. By that logic, I mean, and I'm not advocating this, by the way, but Marcus Luttrell could sue Sebastian Younger, because Sebastian Younger talks about what happened up on the mountain in Operation Red Wings. He could sue 40 people. Yeah.

[Mike]

To us.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, he could.

[Lewis]

O.J. simpson, everybody. That's my old go to. We all watch the trial, and when I watch the trial, he's guilty. They found him not guilty. If I say I believe O.J. simpson's guilty, can he sue me for saying I think he's guilty, that he lied, that the whole thing's a lie? It's like, you know, and. And the key point there is proving that it caused him problems. Well, he made the tons of money like your little. This little podcast that he makes fun of. And the sunglass ass hats and sunglasses.

[Jimmy]

Shut the up.

[Lewis]

The operation so bad. No, this is a public stunt. This is a. This is a falling out of the limelight.

[Mike]

Well, and the issue is that Tim's saying, we see your public stunt, and now we're. We're pretty much gonna force you to either back down publicly or be an idiot and go forward with this. Like, those are. Those are Rob's only two options after this video came out. And.

[Jimmy]

And let's also be very clear. There are people in the military right now that are having to waste their time thinking about this civil lawsuit instead of doing things like going into Venezuela.

[Mike]

That.

[Jimmy]

That is egregious in my mind, of all of the things that. That this is doing.

[Mike]

Poor little Rob wanted to cry because.

[Jimmy]

Rob is upset about something and he doesn't like me because. Because I hurt his feelings, allegedly. And he doesn't like you for sitting there with sunglasses listening to Brent Tucker.

[Lewis]

Why not go after. You know, like, there's bigger names out there. Why didn't you go after those people? It's like, it's just. It's just a.

[Mike]

All.

[Lewis]

And. And on the eve of Veterans Day, like, come on, dude, this is a WWE skit, man. It's like, I can't believe it's real. Like, I can't believe. And I know he's delusional because, you know, like I told you, he engaged with me in the comments and said something very specific that he had to have known who I was. And then when I called him out, it went. I started talking in the third person. Yeah. Oh, Rob. It was his podcast. Oh, Rob o' Neill has no idea who you are. I'm like, you just brought up something so specific to my life that you have to know who I am. That proves to do a liar right there. And he's drunk, probably allegedly talking in third person on his podcast page to some dude that.

[Jimmy]

Well, it's not alleged that he has been caught several times intoxicated in public. That's.

[Mike]

He's been incarcerated for two alcohol related incidents. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Mike]

So let's finish this.

[Tim Palatore]

There is another book out there that tells a different story, which people are entitled to their opinion that this book is more believable.

[Mike]

Right.

[Tim Palatore]

That ends the lawsuit right there.

[Interviewer]

Okay, Tim, I look forward to seeing this play out. Thanks for giving us the insight on this.

[Mike]

All right.

[Tim Palatore]

Thank you.

[Lewis]

I like the press. Press's answer. We get more press. I look forward to seeing this play out. Not good luck. Not hope everything works out. Hope the suit gets dropped for your client.

[Jimmy]

We get more free press.

[Lewis]

I can't wait to watch more.

[Jimmy]

I mean, you know, I. Again, I. And you know, when I think we talked about this, when you called me, I was five minutes down the road, and you were like, hey, dude, you got to come back. And we turned Around. I turned around and I came back and you're like Rob o' Neill suing us. Here's what's going on. And I, I was shocked for a second and then I looked at you and went, this is going to be the best thing that ever happened to us.

[Lewis]

We were at Mission Barbecue.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

You got the text message walking out of Mission Barbecue.

[Mike]

I got the text message in it. I just.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Didn't really know what to think. Think about it. Yeah.

[Lewis]

A hip piece.

[Jimmy]

And. And so, you know, now that this.

[Mike]

And I realized I've survived worse.

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna.

[Jimmy]

All this is doing is putting the antihero podcast on a bunch of other media outlets. It is.

[Lewis]

But you know what?

[Mike]

I can also get the sponsor light to work.

[Lewis]

It also signals what I. What I think is a good thing for this. It signals the, the change.

[Jimmy]

The transition that was.

[Lewis]

That all occurred under the old show. The old setup. That's like the send off, like right. Went his way. That was what this, the old show was about. Now we're going another way. It's like kind of like the signaling of the change in where we're going.

[Jimmy]

So like, like this happened and then like Rob thought he was going to be the undertaker walking out and was gonna put the nail in the coffin of everything.

[Lewis]

And I'm just. All I know is I'm the. I'm the cleanest guy in the room. I'm not getting sued.

[Jimmy]

Not yet.

[Mike]

Yeah. And what you brought up, Mike, again, you brought this up a couple of times, is the fact that, I mean, Rob o' Neill does not care about veterans. No. He doesn't care about service members. He doesn't care that he's going to. I mean, his intention, whether we believe it or not, but on paper, is to financially ruin veterans. It's fine. I mean, Jimmy's done two deployments just with the army alone. Yeah. During OIF and oef, you know, I've deployed Brent Tucker. I mean, the things he's done for his country. And then. So that's the veteran side of it. Not to mention he doesn't do anything that doesn't cost thousands of dollars. Rob o' Neal doesn't do any of this. Allegedly. He doesn't do any of that. Allegedly. He sells things to people rather than donate it to charities and have them sell signing helmets.

[Jimmy]

You're Call of Duty nerds.

[Mike]

Buy my. And then at the end of the day now he's putting he blatant disregard for active seals. Active people still out there now. They're going to get drug into public scrutiny. I don't know if their names can be changed, their faces can be. I mean, they're seals.

[Lewis]

I don't think. I personally do not think the government is going to play at all. They're gonna be like, we're not talking about it classified. It's civil. It's not like criminal. It's not. Anybody's going to jail. It's not a murder. It's not something that. Who.

[Jimmy]

Honestly.

[Lewis]

There's one person. There's one person on earth that cares about this Robin.

[Mike]

Rob o'.

[Jimmy]

Neill.

[Lewis]

Nobody else cares. Nobody else cares. Nobody else cares. So they're not going to disrupt the entire classified document procedure or discovery for one dude who got his feelings hurt. They're not going to do it.

[Jimmy]

Well, I mean, the. The problem is, is that, you know, subpoenas, whether they're civil or criminal, I mean, a subpoena stole a subpoena, period. If you're. If you're ordered to appear.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I'm not saying they won't.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

But the government at some. Dude, the Patriot act is still around. They can tap your phone today for no reason.

[Mike]

For no reason.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Other than America.

[Lewis]

I'm glad I just brought that up because I got. For a second hour, I got a really cool story about how that's going on right now.

[Jimmy]

But.

[Lewis]

Yeah, so it's like, they're not gonna come on, dude, with everything going on, there's one guy on earth that cares about that.

[Jimmy]

There has got to be pressure on Rob right now to go, dude, stop.

[Lewis]

I think it was the day he did it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, but dude.

[Mike]

Well, I mean, we've. We've heard about this. I don't know. I don't remember who told me, but the Fed, the Department of Defense, who told me. Oh, it was. Yeah, yeah, they can with your VA benefits in your retirement. That's how they still can go. You don't want to shut the up. Okay, then you all. You signed all these NDAs. Now we're putting you under investigation. It has been told to me from a tier one operator, Delta Force. Dude, I believe in Montana, one of those states up there, told somebody at shot show. Yeah, this was in reference to someone else, not even Rob o', Neill, that if they want to shut you the up, they will shut you the up. You don't have the rights to go out there and do what a lot of these guys are doing. And so if that's the case and they're like, Rob o', Neill, we can't Legally stop you from putting out a lawsuit, but we can make your life hard because we're the federal government.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. A lot of this stuff when you. I mean, first of all, let's be real clear, the Navy was very happy and SEAL teams were very happy to have a poster child for the. The. I mean, at this point, second greatest special operations mission in the. In the history of the United States, first being the one that we just saw. But they were very happy for that. And now it's starting to turn on the Navy. It's starting to become more of a headache.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

And, I mean, it would be very easy for them. I mean, also, remember, people can get recalled to active duty.

[Mike]

I don't know the rules on that.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I don't know about after retirement.

[Jimmy]

I. I don't. He didn't retire.

[Mike]

He didn't.

[Jimmy]

He did not retire. He did 17 and got out.

[Mike]

What?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, that's one of the things that Brent talked about. Like, how did you do 17 and get out? Like, we don't know. We weren't there.

[Lewis]

Why wouldn't you finish your.

[Jimmy]

Why wouldn't you finish the three years?

[Mike]

Well, if you can get medically retired, then.

[Jimmy]

He wasn't medically retired.

[Mike]

We know that for sure. Allegedly. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

He was not. He did not retire. He's not drawing up. He's.

[Mike]

How do you know that?

[Jimmy]

Because he said it. Rob said it. I got out at 17.

[Mike]

But that doesn't mean he didn't medically retire.

[Jimmy]

It's not.

[Mike]

We got to be careful when we throw stuff out like that.

[Jimmy]

All right, I'll tell you what. That's fair enough. And I'll go look, because that is the information that I have. I've seen, but I don't have anything that I can put up on the screen and go, yep.

[Mike]

He did not. He did not look at me being responsible.

[Jimmy]

Hey, you're the boss.

[Lewis]

Very responsible.

[Mike]

Hey, all right, we got. We gotta move on. We are going to Sports with K9. We got him waiting on. Look at that. A lot better looking than Rob o'. Neill. All right, let's bring him in. Yo.

[Canine]

Hey, screw Rob, man. Screw that dude. I don't even know him personally, but all the stuff I heard, man, screwed that dude. I'll get in the ring with him. What's up?

[Mike]

So I did not. I did not. I fell asleep during the game last night, and I purposely talk about that. Did not. Me falling asleep.

[Lewis]

No, no. Who won the game?

[Mike]

I purposely did not look at anything this morning.

[Lewis]

Put it on me. Go ahead. Tell me, tell me.

[Canine]

You were right. You were right.

[Mike]

Lock of the year. You were right.

[Lewis]

New England one.

[Mike]

Of course.

[Lewis]

We were back and forth. He thought the he. He had New England to win. He thought New England was going to cover the four and a half points and I said New England's going to dominate and they, their defense dominated that game.

[Mike]

It was low scoring but I fell asleep.

[Canine]

Yeah, I really like the under in that game but I thought the Chargers were going to keep it a closer game. I liked the Chargers getting four and a half but that was the only thing I got wrong, man. I did the podcast actually yesterday morning with Mike's son. We did the locked up locks with Cotville and K9.

[Mike]

Mike missed another show.

[Canine]

Yeah, he missed another show.

[Lewis]

He was put another episode out last night though. I know see that my emergency broadcast.

[Mike]

Episode off brand totally different new show Mike's doing called something called Views Likes and Engagement xxx with Copille.

[Jimmy]

No, it wasn't broadcast but yeah, so.

[Canine]

We had to, we had to have his son fill in for him. So his son stepped up and filled in for him. But it was a good show, man. We were right about almost everything. So if you listen to us, you made some money last night or yesterday. So it was a good show.

[Mike]

So we have tonight the Steelers versus the Texans.

[Canine]

Yep. Yes sir.

[Mike]

Did you guys, did you guys talk about that at all? Unlocks?

[Canine]

No, I was actually saving it for tonight, 7pM Eastern. Yeah, we were saving it for tonight for 7pm Eastern for Counterculture Inc. Sports live on the Counterculture YouTube. Little plug in right there. Sipo and I are gonna break it down. So we're gonna break it down live before the game starts just in case, you know, some news comes out or some things happen. You never know what's gonna happen. But right now, last time I checked, the Texans are favored by 3 1/2 going to Pittsburgh to battle. Yeah, the battle. Mike Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers. So it should be a good game. Vegas is saying it's gonna be a close game so it should be a good game.

[Mike]

I feel guilty wearing. I am a Steelers fan. I've been a Steelers fan since I was a kid. But during the 2016 I put I shelved the NFL out of my life and I really didn't start getting back into it until about maybe like this year I think. And so I know if I put on a Steelers jersey, Mike's gonna go, oh, you're a Steelers fans now Just.

[Lewis]

Because they're in the playoffs, man, I thought you might be A lesbian.

[Mike]

Wait, I've been seeing that. What is the deal with that?

[Jimmy]

It's a huge thing.

[Mike]

Yeah, lesbians, like the Steelers, apparently, all of them.

[Lewis]

Yeah, you're like, like boy looking like normal, like, not long hair, like you're super American. Yeah. You're studs. They're like huge studs.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Steelers fans. It proves true. One of the few lesbians I knew at the sheriff's office that I worked with years ago is a Steeler fan. I'm like, there it is.

[Mike]

It's an underground movement to be a Steelers fans. If you're a Subaru American.

[Lewis]

Yes.

[Canine]

Yeah, I mean, we all love lesbians. There ain't nothing wrong with that. You know, ghost dealers, Hey, they're fine, you know, Go Steelers.

[Mike]

I was talking to Justin about what is counterculture sports going to cover primarily when football's over.

[Lewis]

Are you.

[Mike]

Are you well versed in all sports?

[Canine]

Yeah, I'm. Dude, I'm a jack of all trades, man. I could honestly talk about anything at any time, anywhere, and I will talk your ear off. That's one of my, I guess, pros I have to my personality. I'm a bullshitter and I can talk and I'm a salesman. So, yeah, I definitely can. We have baseball, you know, we're going to have the, the draft. We have off season stuff with NFL coaches hired, coaches fired, basketball. I'm going to throw some hockey in there because I know you white boys love that hockey. So we're going to get some hockey in there. You know, there's going to be combat sports.

[Jimmy]

White boy Sport.

[Mike]

Golf.

[Lewis]

No, NASCAR.

[Mike]

NASCAR.

[Lewis]

He likes NASCAR. NASCAR fan. February.

[Mike]

February coming up.

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Canine]

February 15th, the Daytona 500. I love NASCAR. That's when my white side comes out of me. My McCoy side comes out of me. Boy, I love me some NASCAR and some ice cold beer.

[Mike]

So you look like a. Like, you know who that country artist is? Kane Brown. Yeah, you look kind of like, like you. You're definitely ethnic. I know it's Greek. I know it's Greek. But at Faith Value, you look ethnic.

[Jimmy]

But you, you kind of crusader. Wouldn't like him.

[Mike]

You give a. You give like a. Like, I have like a lot of, like, I. I definitely play white boy sports and watch white boy sports.

[Canine]

Yeah, I get down with everybody, man. You know, I. I'll get down with anybody. Color doesn't matter to me. And I take that as a compliment, man. No homo dude's pretty good looking dude, so I'll take it as a compliment. You know, I've Said it before. I wear the camo hat when I'm working. You wear a camel hat out here. People trust you with their grass and their lawns for some reason, or just people trust you in general if you wear a camel.

[Jimmy]

What about a flat or a sombrero?

[Canine]

Yeah, no, you gotta. You gotta squeeze it in a little bit. The more you have it squeezed in, the more they trust you. You gotta cut off circulation.

[Mike]

Yeah, put a little fish hook on there. Yeah, a little fish hook on there.

[Canine]

Oh, that might be going too far.

[Mike]

We'll get to it. Thank you for coming on. Is there. Is there anything about tomorrow's or tonight's game that people should look for or look out for or be aware of?

[Canine]

I think if the Steelers get blown out, I could see something happening with Mike Tomlin, whether he really retires, if he steps away to go to coach another team, or, you know, anything could happen. And I. I'm really interested to see how Aaron Rodgers performs. It's been a while since he's been in the playoffs. You know, I hate Aaron Rodgers being a Bears fan. Mama said Aaron Rodgers is the devil. And, you know, I want to see how.

[Mike]

Do you think he'll play another season?

[Lewis]

No, I think you're watching his last. If he loses this year, I think you're seeing his last game.

[Canine]

I don't know. I don't know. It's. It's Aaron Rodgers. So he's gonna. He's gonna draw it out. He's gonna want to get attention. He's gonna make it dramatic. He's not gonn thing. He's gonna build it up. He might start a podcast or, you know, he's gonna go on the Pat McAfee Show. And the dude. The dude's a drama queen.

[Mike]

You know, the dude is really good on podcast. He's hilarious. Yeah, because he's dry. Yeah, exactly.

[Canine]

He's a character. You know, watching the game last week, I need to go speak to a therapist. I have a lot of mental issues going on right now, and one of the reasons why I kind of embraced it and realized is because I started rooting for the fool a little bit in that game. And I wanted them to beat the Ravens, and I honestly want them to go to the Super Bowl. I want them to go to the Super Bowl. I want them to play the Bears, and I want the Bears Bear down, maybe. I love my Bears. I want the Bears to take them down one last time. David versus Goliath. I want them to wind up that slingshot and hit that MF or right between the eyes.

[Mike]

All right, well, tonight, 7:00pm Eastern Standard Time, Counterculture Inc. You will be able to watch Counterculture Inc. Sports live with Canine as he breaks down what he believes is going to happen tonight with the Texans versus the Steelers. Thank you, Canine. Thank you for joining us. Get back to Karen's out there yelling at you later, bud.

[Jimmy]

By the way, I was right.

[Mike]

What?

[Jimmy]

Rob o' Neill did not medically retire. He stepped away because, quote, I no longer felt fear during missions and was concerned that my lack of adrenaline would lead to complacency.

[Mike]

What? But I don't understand. If you're a seal, you could be like, dude, I got three years left. I want to go ride a desk till retirement.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I'm gonna go sit somewhere.

[Mike]

Makes no sense.

[Jimmy]

That's, that's my.

[Mike]

I want to go train.

[Jimmy]

There's, there's tons of ways that they keep. I mean, we did it in the recommendation.

[Mike]

Do you think he knew, do you think he knew your opinion? That he had a potential gold mine on his hand with this thing and he just wanted to get the. Out of the military so they couldn't tell him what to do.

[Jimmy]

That is the thing that I think makes the most sense. The. The other side would be speculating about what was happening behind closed doors at Dam Neck, which none of us were there.

[Lewis]

How long after the raid did he leave?

[Jimmy]

So the raid was in 2011 and he got out in 2012.

[Tim Palatore]

What?

[Mike]

No way.

[Jimmy]

Yep.

[Lewis]

And when did he write the book?

[Jimmy]

Let's find out. Let's do it right now.

[Mike]

Books take a year or two.

[Lewis]

But he came out immediately and took credit for it.

[Jimmy]

Hello.

[Mike]

I don't think it was immediate.

[Jimmy]

No. He did a magazine first and they didn't show his face. I think it was like Guns and Animal or something like that, or Soldier of Fortune and his book, the Operator, like he's the only one.

[Mike]

That, that D Bag Bill O'Reilly wrote, Is that the one he wrote? No, he wrote killing.

[Jimmy]

Killing bin Laden.

[Mike]

Killing bin Laden. All right, what we're going to do is we're going to. We're going to front. We're front. Front. Load our commercial break. Ten minutes. We're going to get a word in from our sponsors, the guys who keep the show going. A video from Vengeance. And we will be right back.

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[Jimmy]

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[Mike]

Ready?

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

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[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

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[Mike]

It's anti hero 15. That's the. Okay, so what if you're watching? That's the banner that Justin made for counterculture shows. Lewis has a goon tape banner up, but he has not added the promo code, which is when he wants. Yeah, he'll do it tomorrow. But. But yeah, anti hero 15. Save 15 off a goon tape. I use it on my pole bars. I use it for. I'm not an avid shooter, so although it is on my Glock, it's. I don't shoot that often, but I do work out and it's on the dip bar, the pull up bars. Like it. It. That type of. Is needed for when my hands sweat. I can't use the regular bar.

[Lewis]

Yeah, that's great. Great for that. All right, can we go into some ice talk?

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis]

There's a couple little things that happened.

[Mike]

Oh, but John Fleming. Oh, oh.

[Lewis]

New member.

[Mike]

New member on YouTube. Thanks, brother.

[Lewis]

So obviously we had the shooting and Dom and I covered it on the Wednesday show. We covered it. We're gonna do some follow up because I think Dom and I are going to disagree strongly about that. But let's talk Chicago PD of all places. Their chief came out yesterday and absolutely endorsed ICE in their city, which I did not expect against the mayor's wishes. The Chicago police chief said their law enforcement, kind of what we talked about. They're law enforcement officers. They're still part of the brotherhood. We cannot leave our law enforcement officers high and dry in the city when they're enforcing a law. It's federal law. And he basically, in a nutshell, said we're going to support him. Which Chicago is the first city we talked about where the watch commander said, don't go help the ice. Similar ramming incident where an agent got ran. Ran. Maybe the same guy. Yeah, because that was. I can't hear. I don't remember two other incidents like that. But so, yeah, and Chicago P. Then you have the exact opposite. You have the Portland police chief on camera crying.

[Mike]

Oh, do we have that video?

[Lewis]

It's out there somewhere. I don't have it.

[Jimmy]

We're not gonna. We're not gonna put a Subaru.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

This show's for the boys, not the.

[Mike]

I mean, I haven't seen.

[Lewis]

Yeah, somebody.

[Mike]

He's a lesbian, isn't it isn't. The. The mayor of Portland, he looks like a lesbian. Yeah, he acts like a lesbian.

[Lewis]

But it just shows that it seems like Chicago gets the most heat, the most hate. We always talk Chicago, but here's. They decide to take a stand, and they're like, we're gonna support ice. We're gonna support law enforcement. Well, I mean, it's pretty fun.

[Jimmy]

I mean, can you imagine if they were in. If they were in, like, Polk County? Well, the Grady Judd would be out.

[Mike]

There, but it's different, man. That. That chief is risking his job.

[Jimmy]

He's probably a point risking his life is what he's doing. Let's. Let's be real.

[Mike]

You can get that bad.

[Jimmy]

Well, remember, I'm sure Mike got it. No, I think there's people out there that are saying, next. Next protest, we're bringing guns.

[Mike]

Who said that?

[Jimmy]

Protesters for the. I. For the last. This happened this weekend. One of the protesters was shouting, the next protest. We're bringing guns. You are murderers.

[Lewis]

Like, here. I'll have that video here in a second. Yeah, just pay attention for the Portland chief. So. But I. I do. I see. Like, that's the right trend. That's the right way to go. Is. Is that the Minnesota thing to me is caused by. Well, George Floyd, that whole debacle. But then now you have another incident.

[Mike]

Where this is kind of like the kneeling thing.

[Lewis]

Yes. Let's cry on camera or let's be upset about. I. I'll be honest with you. After seeing the dude's video and the cell phone, I'll say it. Is shooting a car gonna stop them? No, it's shooting. And I said, this is shooting somebody 50, 100 yards away with a gun. Probably a good idea. No. You have a huge backdrop, your likeliness to hit. But is it out of the question? So by pulling your gun out and shooting that person that's trying to run you over, that's a reaction. I totally disagree that he put himself in the position. And I think that it is what it is.

[Mike]

That'll stand up.

[Jimmy]

That's what it is.

[Lewis]

I mean, Jerry Worms.

[Mike]

It is what it is. Comply.

[Lewis]

And then you have the Subaru American wife screaming at her to hit the gas, telling her to drive, drive, go, go. That's all playing in her OODA loop, man. It's all going in her head.

[Mike]

It's all like, a good one, dude.

[Jimmy]

That's the first time I've ever heard anybody besides me use.

[Lewis]

It's all going in there, and it's like she's Listening to bad advice makes a bad decision. That dude was not getting in front of the car going, stop, stop. He was simply doing his duties, and here comes a car running him over. Well, it sucks, but it's her fault.

[Jimmy]

You said it. When we did the other podcast, like, we know for a fact she was detained because that.

[Mike]

Finally. That was one of the questions I had. There was no context to the stuff. But the next day they released the fact that she was detained.

[Jimmy]

They, you know, lawfully detained.

[Mike]

Yeah. Do you have any. The. The. You have the video, Lewis, in the email.

[Lewis]

It's coming.

[Jimmy]

While. While that's coming up. I. I have a question for the. The chat. We also have a super chat, by the way, but I have a question for you guys and the chat, which.

[Mike]

Is interested to see where the email is.

[Jimmy]

Do you think that.

[Mike]

All right, I was testing Lewis, but he's on point.

[Jimmy]

Do you think. On the other screen, do you think crying politicians is going to be a new.

[Mike]

No, it's not. They're in the old playbook, dude. They're in the old playbook. Even liberals are like. And Democrats are like, dude, stop. That is.

[Lewis]

There's a lot of cops that got on camera.

[Jimmy]

I mean, but, I mean, Ashley Smith.

[Lewis]

And cried about George Floyd cops.

[Mike]

Them. I remember every chief and every sheriff jumped on that bandwagon. I said, you guys are prematurely jumping on this dude.

[Lewis]

Yeah. Vera Beach Police Department back home, they got a picture of them all kneeling on the. On the front steps.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. They should have waited.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

This is Portland. Portland.

[Jimmy]

Chief, gonna be a.

[Lewis]

Roll it.

[Jimmy]

It's cry. It's. It saddens.

[Mike]

It saddens me. What happened?

[Jimmy]

The sound box.

[Lewis]

Hold on 10 seconds.

[Jimmy]

All right. Yeah, it just, like, abruptly stopped for a sec.

[Mike]

All right.

[Lewis]

Okay.

[Mike]

That we even have to qualify these.

[Jimmy]

Remarks because I understand, or at least.

[Mike]

Have attempted to understand through your voices.

[Jimmy]

Your concern, your fear, your anger. That is some low T right there.

[Mike]

This information in no way is meant.

[Jimmy]

To disparage or to condone or support or agree with any of the actions that occurred yesterday. But it is important that we stay.

[Mike]

Committed to the rule of law, that.

[Jimmy]

We stay committed to the facts, that we stay a trustworthy and legitimate police.

[Mike]

Department for all of Portlanders.

[Lewis]

Portlanders. What a bunch of. I'm telling you, the job is dead.

[Jimmy]

New Oscar job. Dead crying politicians. It's a new Oscar category.

[Mike]

It is. It's sad.

[Lewis]

That's what you're crying about.

[Mike]

About. No, he's not crying.

[Lewis]

Well, I know he's pretending to cry.

[Mike]

About but like I said, he's the old playbook dude. Hey, they're all handing him do this, and he didn't go. That didn't work out very well in 2020. Let's not cry. No one wants to see a police leader cry. Angry, maybe, sure. But all of these speeches from these people, from the Somalian daycare women to the mayors to the sheriff that has no authority to this guy, their speeches are awful because they don't believe in what they're saying. They're puppets. They're told to say this and believe it. And they're like, well. Well, I know when I go on rants, if I truly believe something, it flows, baby, just like this. Where them, they're like, what am I saying? Okay, I'm doing this. But they have no teleprompter, so they just say vague words and they get. What do you call that?

[Jimmy]

Word salad.

[Mike]

Word salad. Because you just don't know what to say. Like, I guess this is bad, but I gotta cry. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

I mean, and together, my words created will form sentences, and those sentences will turn into paragraphs, and I have to talk for another. I mean, like, you, dude.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

All right, hold on. And then I'll get. I got the cheese video coming in. But, yeah, it's just. That is supposed to be the top law enforcement guy, and that is supposed to be the backbone of the community. That's supposed to be the guy that leads all other law enforcement. So is it okay for me to go to a burglary and be like, I'm so sorry your stuff got broken?

[Jimmy]

Like, God damn it, let's be real here, okay? You guys wore the badge for quite a long time. Did you see some bad.

[Lewis]

Of course.

[Jimmy]

Let me. Let me ask you a question, because.

[Mike]

I've heard it wasn't half off once. Yeah, dude, how many.

[Jimmy]

How many vehicle accidents? Did you guys work any.

[Lewis]

Oh, I saw a bad one the way. Okay, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

I mean, I mean, like, little kids killed in the back of the vehicles, child abuse, rapes. All of the worst of humanity. All of the worst. Just, you're only interacting with people on their worst days. And you know what I can't have you do? I can't have you losing your professional bearing because you got emotional. I need you to do your job.

[Mike]

That's a good point, Jimmy. Is the fact that the leader of this law enforcement entity, Portland Police, the leader, the guy that you. That is their face, their leader is crying. So now do we believe that his officers cry like this when they actually.

[Jimmy]

Hit there's good cops.

[Mike]

That's what I'm saying. The public perception is, you're right. If you have a cop show up to your call and it's the worst day of everybody's lives. It's the worst day of everybody's lives. You can't have him crying. But yet the chief of police cries.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Publicly.

[Lewis]

I mean, I mean, I've been on some scenes, man.

[Jimmy]

I'm sure. Yeah.

[Lewis]

My buddy, one of my really close friends, an emotionless guy, tough as nails, doesn't show any emotion. The only time I saw it was when he had to put his first canine down. And I've been on calls where I just look at him and he looks at me and it's just, it's the worst.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. And you both are like, what are we gonna do?

[Lewis]

You just look at each other and you just gotta suck it up about your business. You have to continue. You got a family grieving. You got, you know, we pulled a 17 year old kid out of a. The river that got launched off a bridge was one of the worst calls I've ever been on. And it's like, you just look at him and you're like, you know, we have to, like. I remember the family being mad, just mad at us because we're there. Like, you should have found him. You should have stayed. And you just have to sit there and be like, yeah, you know, this family's grieving. I can't. What, am I gonna cuss grandma out because she's upset that her grandson's dead? It's just, and you're sitting there taking that heat and you're just like, looking at your buddy and like, man, this is the worst, like, the worst thing you could possibly do. The last thing you do is start crying. And now this guy's got no real connection to anything that happened. He's not involved in it, no agency.

[Jimmy]

I mean, just. Come on, man.

[Lewis]

Come on, man.

[Jimmy]

Dude, stop. I mean, I, I, I, I have to bring this up because Clint said it. Jim. Clint says my mustache is getting tighter.

[Lewis]

Jimmy's been rolled in art school, if you guys didn't know.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah. All right. The super chat said from unnamed421. Thanks, brother. Keep doing. Good work, brothers. The state trooper. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for taking the time to review my training footage when you can.

[Jimmy]

Did we review it or do we need to review it?

[Lewis]

Yeah, I have it. Yeah, I watch a lot of video.

[Mike]

Is that the, is that. I'm pretty sure Mike has it because we've talked about It. Yeah, I'll test Mike out.

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

But, yeah, man, thank you for the support. And we got the chief of.

[Jimmy]

Deech.

[Lewis]

Chicago.

[Mike]

Chicago.

[Jimmy]

It's like.

[Lewis]

The same video, though.

[Unknown Guest]

What?

[Mike]

You sent the same video?

[Lewis]

No, I didn't.

[Jimmy]

Oh, my God.

[Lewis]

Or like, it didn't. Went through so well, then you had to tell me.

[Jimmy]

I didn't want to interrupt you.

[Lewis]

Oh, okay. You can. You're allowed to.

[Jimmy]

I mean, in the, in the meantime, I mean, let's. I mean, like, dude, like, I, I, I vividly remember being told. I'm gonna tell you guys what happened on this thing, and then I want you guys to take a minute, talk amongst yourselves, and then I need you to go out and go back on patrol like there's no time.

[Lewis]

Well, like Tyler says about going call to call to call to call, you might see that call, and then you don't get to go home.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Like, you just.

[Jimmy]

You can't.

[Lewis]

It'd be like, you can go and. All right, let me say this correctly. If you have a mental health crisis where you see something that obviously it's mentally it. You're done. You need to go home. So let me start with that. Like any, anything. It could be anybody. It could be a trigger for anything else. So I'm not knocking mental health or the. But if it's something that is just bothering you, like things bother us, you have to get back at it. You can't be like, hey, I know we're short or we're down. I'm just going to go home for the rest of the day. Because now you're not only. You're going to deal with your own thing. You're letting everybody else. That's why I never call out sick. I couldn't imagine putting everybody else at short. But that's the thing is now I'm relying on you. And we might. We might end it by the Powerball. Billions end up on a similar call an hour later. That is an absolute catastrophe again. Yeah. And an absolute. The worst call that we thought we were ever going to see is another one. And you have to be ready to perform over and over and over and over again.

[Jimmy]

So, I mean, look, I'm gonna put you on the spot here, Mike. You lost one of your good friends, and we're back at work like, hey, man, this is what we do. This is. This is the job. And, and, yeah, okay, we're not cops. But it was like that. That mentality so hardwired into your brain, and it's in his brain and it's in my brain.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

That, like, it don't matter, man. Like, my dad could die tomorrow, and I'll be like, I'll go catch the next flight to his funeral, but I still got work to do. Like, that's the way that these people operate. Anybody that, you know risks their life on the regular to try, especially to try and save other people or protect other people.

[Mike]

Is that video in yet?

[Jimmy]

Yep. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Because I.

[Lewis]

No, not you. Lo already show us. He's got it now. But to your point to that before you play the video.

[Unknown Guest]

You're right.

[Lewis]

And that's why I don't talk about the stuff. I just don't. Because it can be taken as if I'm trying to, like, brag or. Or overdo things. But I do have the experience in dealing with a lot of critical incidents and a lot of terrible things. And all cops do. I'm not just. It's not me specific. Everybody handles it different. There's a dark humor. That's why the meme page is so popular. That's mostly how guys deal with it, but not everybody does. And that it's. You can't stand in front of a podium and cry.

[Jimmy]

I'm sorry, though. But if you're gonna. If you're gonna carry a gun professionally for a living, or you're gonna fight fire or you're gonna be an EMT or you're whatever.

[Mike]

Look at dudes that did 20 years in military and deployed multiple times. They have to come home. Like the narrative of, oh, our vets, like, they. Yes, they can get disability, but at the end of the day, they still have to function inside. You have to. Yeah. You have to get over it. Yeah. Or work through it. One of the two.

[Jimmy]

You know, and, you know, first of all.

[Mike]

But that.

[Jimmy]

That capability is necessary for you to do your job. So to have. And to bring it home. To have the police chief up there crying like a man baby when, you know, his cops are out there last night working some terrible ass crash and had nothing to do but go to the next call. It's. It's infuriating.

[Lewis]

Yes.

[Mike]

Every time you do that. Like it.

[Lewis]

And it's. It bring home my whole tick tock thing. And the. The social media thing is when you watch and we do. We make fun of the guys with the blocks here and there, but the guys are out doing stuff. Who do you think is more capable? Ready. The guy that's at the range every day, the guy that's doing jiu jitsu. The guy that's out doing warrants or the dude dancing around like a. In. In his. In his class SRO office or in the hallway making these videos and ballroom dancing and all these cops meeting up to dance together. Who do you think is really more prepared to handle that critical situation and drive through and finish the mission? Somebody who's never thought about it. It dances. Or the guy that's at the range putting in reps when nobody's around and fighting.

[Jimmy]

I'll go you one further. If you don't know their name, that's the guy I want. I do not want anybody. If I know who the it is, if I know you from Instagram, I. I don't want you showing up.

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

Because clearly you've spent a lot when I'm not talking about you copilot.

[Lewis]

No, I know what you're saying. It's like the guys that get famous doing that. It's like. Well, you're famous for dancing around, you're famous for skits, you're famous for these cop meetups that serve.

[Mike]

You're not Big Mackie, dude.

[Lewis]

That was funny is the one I'd on is the idea I had that they're sponsored by a company that does. I'm not even gonna say it. I don't pump it. But all the guys. I don't know why these companies think this is a good idea. Once everybody saw.

[Mike]

They don't know.

[Lewis]

They think the views are important. They think the views are important because some guy has 700000 tick tock which I think Tick Tock followers are fake.

[Mike]

Well, to be honest with you, until people like me and you get the size platforms that they do, they do own it. They do have the most voice. They do have the most unfortunate.

[Lewis]

I think it's misread by companies because like we talk about the loyalty factor of good people is better than seven.

[Mike]

Yeah. 700000 random morons business decision though. It really is. I believe in. In small niche loyalty over big broad numbers. We've talked about that. So I believe. But they. They see it as 700000 tick tocks is a lot of reach.

[Lewis]

If you're gonna sell that tape that you know is for tactical purposes or some type of cleaning solution or something that goes with your everyday grind. Do you think fellow Tick Tock cops, unless it's that gay ass light, that guardian angel light or something that looks pretty, your Tick Tock Cop crowd is going to not be interested in tactical gear or anything.

[Mike]

Like that's what I would say, hold on. Here's what I would say is that if I own the business, I would be like I'm gonna do both. And if someone wants to on me for marketing, then that's on them. Like I do believe in yalls guerrilla tactics and the truth and everything. But you're all's reach is awful compared to a tick tock cop. And they're reached out people buying it.

[Lewis]

That's what I'm getting at.

[Jimmy]

I don't, I don't think that's where I, I was getting ready to.

[Lewis]

If I'm a tik tok c and I'm selling like I work for so and so vest and you're gonna like these guys aren't worried about that kind of tactics.

[Jimmy]

I mean like, like the, the guys that are worried about they don't even wear their vest. The guys, the guys that are worried about goon tape and suppressors and tactical gear are not dancing around on tik tok.

[Lewis]

But, but you're right. I gotta be real that if you're going to get a video it's going to get to 5 million people every week because. And it's a tick tock cop. By a marketing standpoint, you don't care who buys it. You just want somebody to see it and buy it.

[Mike]

Yeah. Unless that one page was so big. Like if like we, unless we grew and we were like hey man, we are calling you out then it would be a business decision for them to go, oh okay. The same amount of people now it's fluctuated and it's went like this. Now I'll determine but at the end of the day I'm, I'm just trying to get out in front of people. Yeah.

[Lewis]

A friend. I'm blocked by guardian angel.

[Mike]

All right, let's play that video.

[Unknown Guest]

This is clear. Federal agents. ICE HSI are officers. They are agents of law enforcement. If you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe that they are being ambushed and that this could end in a deadly situation. And it's reasonable for them to use.

[Mike]

Are you sure this isn't when they got boxed in in Chicago? We brought this up.

[Lewis]

Oh, we never saw this. This was just sentiment.

[Jimmy]

All right, let me. Let's see.

[Mike]

I could be wrong, but this, this sounds really familiar.

[Lewis]

But he could just be in breaking nine one one. This has came out 20 hours ago ago.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Lewis]

Yesterday.

[Mike]

All right, keep going.

[Unknown Guest]

Force based on those conditions. Do not box in any law enforcement officer. You are breaking the law when you do that. And you are putting yourself in danger following law enforcement agents around. The question is why? What do you plan on doing? It's also reasonable for them to believe that you're eventually going to do harm to them.

[Lewis]

Yeah, great statement.

[Unknown Guest]

If you ram any vehicle, especially that one that contains law enforcement agents, and that's any law enforcement, local, state, federal, county, and you do this intentionally, this is considered deadly force. Deadly force is anything that can cause great bodily harm or death. When you plow into a vehicle that contains law enforcement agents, you're using deadly force and they can use deadly force in response to stop you. We need to be clear about these laws. We cannot become a society where we just decide to take everything in our own hands and start to commit crimes against law enforcement. It is a crime. You may not like what they're doing. I can understand that there's a lot of emotions out there, but that does not mean that you get to commit a crime, especially one that could lead to deadly force. We need to keep everyone safe.

[Mike]

So what I. First off, that is what we need. You are pretty much saying that, hey, you might not agree with it. He's not even really saying he agrees with it. He's just a. He's just all. He's acknowledging the fact that there is law, there is law and order. And in, in order for everybody to be safe, we have to follow that law in order. And for that, law and order is being enforced by law enforcement officers, slash agents, and they will be safe in doing so. So the fact that he even said there is no reason to follow them around with cameras, there's absolutely none. I could argue following local law enforcement. We sit there and defend those guys all day long every day. Like, and now it makes me think, why do we allow that when it's local cops? Because this whole thing's got me thinking. Well, we say local cops can't do this. That means feds can't do this. And now everybody's starting to say common sense says people can't walk up to you with a camera because they're going to do harm. And you got people like me and Mike up here every time saying, hey, it's allowed, man. They're allowed to do that. You can do that. And now it's like, whoa, Common sense states that someone doing that might not have your intentions.

[Jimmy]

I'm going to be honest with you. I. I feel like this was a disingenuous statement. And I'll tell you why. I don't think this had anything to do with DHS or ice. I think this is very much about his own cops. He's worried that doing this to DHS will escalate and it will eventually become his cops that are dealing with the same thing. That's fair.

[Lewis]

My. I always say that the intentions don't change the message. So regardless of what his intentions are, it's a. It's the best message I've heard so far. We're in, you know, Minneapolis, they're crying, telling people not to listen. We don't have to do that.

[Jimmy]

This is.

[Lewis]

That leads people to act like the chick that got shot and, and think it's okay to do. My governments, my mayor saying I have to do anything to listen. So this message, regardless of the motive of the message, the message substance, it's very good for the public to hear and say, okay, like, he's a black guy. Chicago's got a large black population. He's up there. He's telling us how we should listen to the police and just, you know, and he's talking about a very specific thing. You know, I'm not going down the whole First Amendment, all that. But something about you're following these guys around for no reason, you're ramming, you're boxing them in. That doesn't seem very smart.

[Jimmy]

It just doesn't seem.

[Mike]

How can we sit there and say, and eventually we are, guys, we are going to get to Iran at some point today. But how can we sit there and say, well, you can follow local law enforcement around with a camera and local law enforcement just has to get the. Over it. But federal agents is different.

[Lewis]

He's suggesting it. I think he's suggesting it because guessing what, not to follow them around.

[Mike]

Why can't he suggest it? Not to follow around.

[Lewis]

Cops, they really don't follow them around. I think most of your auditors just walk up to a station or walk up to a cop.

[Mike]

What about the one cop that was outside in his trunk and we had the whole debate.

[Lewis]

Stand on the side of the road. Like, he walked up to him. He's not following him. That dude's on foot. He's talking about people in masses, like, driving after the agents and just following them in cars is what he's talking about.

[Mike]

But you would say. You would say that. Okay, so you're not. You don't think that you should be able to follow local long.

[Jimmy]

That.

[Lewis]

What do you mean, local long? No, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

[Mike]

You have this weird in your head, and now you got to take 20 minutes and go, no, no. Where where is the line?

[Lewis]

So, okay, if you're going to a search warrant and you're. You're getting the tag team loads up in the Stealth mobile and there's people waiting outside like paparazzi, to me, that's a problem. We're getting ready to do a tactical mission. There has to be a. There's an operation. Let's be like private citizen planes following the Blackhawks into Venezuela. Like, they're not gonna let them get away with that. The following is one thing that. That's different. He's talking about, like, they're. They're chasing the agents in cars and going. To me, that, yeah, that's wrong. That's some type of interference in the investigation. To walk up to a dude on the side of the road and say, hey, Dick, you're a cop. I hate you. I don't think it's the same. And you're holding the phone. It's not the same. Do I like it? No.

[Jimmy]

I mean, but, I mean, we can. We can. We can look at what they're doing and imply intent, especially when you're following them in large groups. And we already. You've already put it out and you've. I mean, remember that. I have the. I forgot to send it, but I have the picture. Because on the 21st of January. I mean, I may send this in, I may not, but there's a big protest that's coming, and. And let's be clear like, that. That's not gonna be a good day for anybody. Yeah. So stop Ice Terror, January 20th. It's nationwide.

[Lewis]

That's funny, Efron. I guess somebody made a statement about being posted on my page. I mean, and that's done in good. I mean, in the same intention to like, hey, why are we dressed like this? Why are we doing these things? It doesn't make sense. When Jimmy starts Iran, I'm out. I ran out. He's the only one. He's the brains.

[Mike]

So there's. There's a little bit of updates in Venezuela. Right.

[Jimmy]

Very few, you know, aside from the. The sons of poverty down there that are riding around on motorcycles trying to.

[Mike]

And, you know, like, is it lawlessness out there?

[Jimmy]

It's not lawlessness yet, because law is being enforced with machine guns. Like, you want to talk about tyranny? You want to talk about something that you should be protesting?

[Mike]

Vice president's still in charge.

[Jimmy]

Still in charge.

[Mike]

Wasn't there some kind of predictions that you said?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, yeah, I was. She backed down. So that's what happened this weekend. She basically was like, yeah, we're gonna definitely be working with the Trump administration. Because he was like, hey, dude, I.

[Mike]

Thought we wanted somebody different in power there.

[Jimmy]

We. We do, but we've got to get them then.

[Mike]

I mean, like, like, officially, we're gonna help them elect, give you elected.

[Jimmy]

That's who we want. And we, They're. I mean, you got to kind of give them credit. They're kind of playing the long con on this. But eventually it's going to get to a point where Trump needs. And the, the administration needs something big to. We call it Casas belli. You know, it's Latin. It means.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's what I call it, too.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, he needs a casa spella. He needs a cause for war. He needs something that they're doing, and right now they're not doing enough for him to be like, that's it. 82nd, you're getting it. You're getting both barrels. And so far, they're kind of playing ball. And so is, like, a lot of the people around the region, like Colombia especially, like, changing their tune. So it's like, okay, well, you're, you're kind of slow rolling this, but the slow roll is only going to last so long. It's going to be like, hey, dude, you know, we've got to get the people to stand up and like, go, hey, get the out, get gone. And once that happens, they'll have. They'll have two bitter choices. They can either crack down and, you know, the J dams start dropping and, you know, they look up in the sky one night and it's. Why can't we see the stars? There's a lot of little round things up there coming down, landing on our airfield. Or it's going to be like, hey, we're going to have a peaceful transition of power, which is what we really want. We don't want to go ahead and just start dropping bombs. It's better to do it slower.

[Lewis]

It would.

[Mike]

It would lead by example to do a peaceful transition. Enforce. Yeah, a democratic election, which we will influence as far as that being the process, not influence. Well, I'm sure we would influence the thing, but we, we're going to facilitate. It's like, it's like, it's like holding a fair fight. Yeah, no, I'm coming in with force. I'm gonna make you all to fight fair. We come in with force and say, have a democratic election.

[Jimmy]

Well, and the thing is, is that they already had one. The other problem, too, and you, you brought this up without knowing it. Is that Venezuela has admitted to influencing the elections of over 70 countries around the world through their software stuff that they're doing.

[Mike]

Venezuela.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. You shook your hand and then you yawned.

[Mike]

I was rather confused.

[Lewis]

The pen like that. I wanted to talk, but keep going. Okay.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, so that, that right there is, it's sort of like, hey you guys, if, I mean they bragged about the fact that they in, were able to influence the election of the United States and it's very, very likely that the 80 million, was it 80 million people that voted for Joe Biden. You know that massive turnout was very heavily influenced by the companies that they don't actually work for Venezuela, they're based in Venezuela. They work for the cartels. Interesting. So I mean that right there is going to be. We're gonna have to see what happens. But I don't think that, I don't think the Trump administration wants to start over using combat power just yet. But if BMPs continue to be rolling down the streets and nothing is happening, you know the big one is going to be. And I mean nobody's going to like this, but it is absolutely true. Before Chevron will move back in there and retake over the, the wells and that they built. They want some guarantees about security.

[Mike]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Jimmy]

So they have one or two options. They can go to guys like us and go, hey, would you guys go work security down in Venezuela for you know, 300 a day? Or they can ask for the 19 year old paratroopers.

[Mike]

I'm sure they would love nothing more to assist in that. Yeah. All right, so I think we should move on to Iran as a topic because there's protests in Iran and then there's white people protests in America for Iran. I saw an actual, I saw a video that compared the protests here with like just, it looked like your standard protest, a bunch of white people crying. And then it was a protest in Iran and it was had to have been thousands of people.

[Jimmy]

I got videos, Lewis has got them. So I, I went, I went pretty deep on it.

[Mike]

Well, let's start off first. Inform anybody that might be listening what happened with Iran.

[Jimmy]

So there's economic sanctions on Iran. There have been for some time. So when the, the Iranian regime started trading fire with the Israelis, I mean they started fighting each other. They started trading around. No, like they were firing missiles at each other and bombs were dropping.

[Mike]

When did this happen?

[Jimmy]

That was, talk to me like a five. Okay. In June. June. Okay, yeah, it was June. And then Trump basically sent in the B2s and nuke and not nuked, but destroyed their nuclear facilities and their, their nuclear weapons created, you know, facilities that were deep underground. That happened in June.

[Lewis]

Yeah. Dropped that bomb.

[Jimmy]

Dropped the. Yeah, the greatest bomb. It was a beautiful bomb, that one. First of all, I mean, we, we can go into this later, but ostensibly the reason why that happened was because. What.

[Mike]

Ostensibly. I think, I think he's already used that one. So it doesn't.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, yeah, but it's still a real word. The, the reason why Trump went and did it was because Israel basically told him, hey, either you do it or we'll send a nuke to do it.

[Mike]

He threatened.

[Jimmy]

That's, that's the rumor that's going. It's a rumor. It's, it's, it's going around.

[Mike]

Guy ran.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, like, we. If you. Because they didn't have the capability for a bomb, a conventional bomb to penetrate that deep into the ground and destroy the facility. So they just said, we'll just fire a nuke at it. So either you go bomb it or we'll nuke it.

[Mike]

Why can't we just use a bomb other than a nuke?

[Jimmy]

We did use a bomb other than the nuke.

[Lewis]

They don't have.

[Jimmy]

Israelis don't have that. They don't even have an airplane that can carry it.

[Mike]

The only airplane that can carry it.

[Jimmy]

Is the B2 stealth bomber.

[Mike]

So, I mean, what's the argument for just letting Iran and Israel have it out and staying the. Out of it? Is it. Do we need to be involved?

[Jimmy]

Well, I would say that we don't because one of the biggest allies that Israel could possibly have is the. Is the Iraqis. There's a lot of Iraqis that don't like Iran and would be more than happy to kick Iran out of still a country.

[Mike]

Is that a thing?

[Jimmy]

It's very much controlled by Iran right now. Very. I mean, it was starting to get that way when you and me left. And I mean, remember the EFPs that we were all worried about? Those were, all. Those all came from Iran. The people that built. Yeah.

[Mike]

What's. What's the deal with the protest?

[Jimmy]

So sorry to.

[Mike]

You're good.

[Jimmy]

The economic sanctions after I. Israel and Iran had that like two, three day, like, shooting contest. The sanctions ramped up a lot of things. Like the Venezuela oil thing started block. You know, like, there was a lot of going on. And so they've got massive inflation in the United States or in the United States in Iran, to the point where, like, again, people can't buy food, people can't do anything. There's also the growing use of social media. And right now, the biggest thing, the biggest trend in Iran is girls dressed in Western clothing with makeup on, lighting cigarettes off the. A burning picture of the Ayatollah Khabini. And it's like, it's.

[Mike]

And he's in charge of Iran.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, he's the religious leader. Okay, okay. So that's going around right now.

[Mike]

So essentially the society in Iran is starting to realize how oppressed they really are.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. And. And part of this is on good.

[Mike]

Old Elon Musk, because given those little tidbits of Twitter.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Hey, welcome to the Western world. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

He's. He's been giving them. You could dress like a. He's been giving them free access to Starlink. So the Iranian regime has been jamming Starlink. Now I have a video that Kagan Dunlap dropped. So we're going to use his video because. And the reason why I want to use it is because he explains it very well, better than I could or really want to. So, Lewis, if you look at your email, you'll see the first one that says Iranian Starlink.

[Mike]

You know what?

[Jimmy]

Do you know which video that is that. You downloaded it? Did you. I'm looking.

[Lewis]

Crickets.

[Jimmy]

It's. You downloaded the video I gave you.

[Mike]

What's that?

[Lewis]

That's crickets.

[Jimmy]

That was really weird.

[Mike]

That sounds like. That's not like your knee.

[Jimmy]

No, you know what it sounds like? What's that guy's name from Friday? Or he's on the bicycle when he's coming.

[Mike]

Is it your Instagram story?

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So it's it. But did you download it or did.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Lewis]

That'S Lewis's brain right now.

[Jimmy]

Lewis is like, wait a second.

[Mike]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Jimmy]

No, no, I downloaded this. Go to your downloads.

[Mike]

I have it right here.

[Jimmy]

So.

[Mike]

Okay, so shut up.

[Iranian News Reporter]

11Th of January 2026. Iran has experienced a near total nationwide Internet blackout that began on January 8th of 2026amid the escalating anti government protests that were triggered by the economic hardships including high inflation and the complete devaluation of their currency, as well as rising food prices. And there's a bunch of like moderating groups that are monitoring Internet connectivity dropping to as low as 1% percent of normal levels across the entire country. But I've got some good news. There are some ways to get around this stuff. So if you know anybody that's in Iran right now that's trying to get connected to the Internet or you have any way of reaching people, there There is some limited and partial ways to potentially bypass or mitigate the regime's jamming of Starlink in Iran right now, because Starlink is the only way you're going to be able to get Internet access at this moment. So here's what I've been able to find. The only practical workaround I could find, according to open source intelligence accounts, is if you have the Starlink app. You need to enable, use Starlink positioning exclusively. So what you do is you go.

[Jimmy]

All right, yeah, you only downloaded part of the video you didn't download.

[Mike]

If you download it, I've noticed that it'll only download about a minute or three seconds of it.

[Jimmy]

So, I mean, you can. It's up in my story. You can watch the rest of it and go to his page. But you get the idea, like, they're jamming. They're jamming the Internet. But there is a workaround. And so that's. That's the first one. The second big crazy thing is that before the Ayatollah.

[Mike]

Yeah. Rock and roller.

[Jimmy]

If only he was that cool. Before the Ayatollah, they had a Sha, which is like a king.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

You know, remember the. The.

[Mike]

This is Persia we're talking about.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mike]

This is per. This is longest, by the way.

[Jimmy]

The Internet, you know, like Google and places like that, have changed the flag. When you try to put in the Iranian flag now to get the little emoji, it's back to the old flag, the old Persian flag with the lion on it. Yeah. I mean, they're kind of trying to show their solidarity with these people, which is, again, why they're getting jammed and, you know, the Internet's getting taken down.

[Mike]

I love it. I love the fact that another country can just get a window of the real world and be so motivated to do this.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

However we're having. How our country is shoved in our face and we're like me. Yeah.

[Lewis]

Well, it's. Ours is gone. Ours is.

[Mike]

The.

[Lewis]

The experiments already run its course.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

This is what happens when you have that much access to information that you start twisting information, putting out false information and convincing people that everything is wrong. And this is the other way to do it. So there's that way, which is everything we say is it. You can't look at anything else. We're here. And then you have our country, which is. You don't know what the AI is anymore. You don't know if it's real, if it's fake, you have no idea. So ours is. Run its course.

[Mike]

Our country is now focused on going back in history and figuring out what we were lied to. They're. They're learning in real time what they're being lied to about currently real time. We're now. So we just know we're lied to all day, every day. And now we're like, damn, dude. So you're telling me.

[Lewis]

Can you imagine that opening your phone be like, dude, people are allowed to eat food.

[Jimmy]

Like, they could go out.

[Lewis]

They don't have to stay in that. Like, what is going. I mean, it's like, you imagine having that revelation.

[Jimmy]

It's. It's not even that. It's like, hey, you know. You know, grandma used to wear a mini skirt to college and she never told us because she was afraid she was gonna get beaten with a garden hose.

[Mike]

It's like that.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Like. Like it's still in living memory of like, what it used to be when the Shah was in charge.

[Mike]

Remember? It was better then.

[Jimmy]

I mean, it was better. Better.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

I mean, it was mini score sound a lot better.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it was. It was.

[Mike]

Are they still Sharia law?

[Jimmy]

I don't think they call it Sharia law because they are. Let's. Let's be really clear. If you talk to anybody who's a Persian, they will tell you that they're not really Muslims.

[Mike]

They're.

[Jimmy]

They use Islam for political control, but they're still Zoroastrian, which is another religion that originated in Persia. It's what, Xerxes and all those guys.

[Lewis]

That fought the Xerxes.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Yeah, you got him.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, like, I think really underplayed how act intelligent you actually are.

[Jimmy]

You're the main I went to college for. So just so we're clear, when I went to college, I just found out.

[Mike]

Xerxes was a real person 10 seconds ago.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, he really was.

[Lewis]

This could all be fake and I'd be leaving it.

[Mike]

I am a generous God.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. It wasn't quite that bad.

[Mike]

Oh, I know. Yeah. I. I really do think 300 was the best way to depict freedom.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

In a theatrical way that still tied into what people believed back then. Giant elephants. Yeah. Like, but they only had stories. They only had stories. That's all they had.

[Jimmy]

Let me. Let me tell you my favorite. Since we're on the subject. Let me tell you my favorite story.

[Mike]

Efron, thanks for the. The. The chat. And yes, I always have to tell him to explain it to me like a pipe.

[Jimmy]

My favorite story is and. And this was written by Herodotus, who wrote the histories.

[Mike]

Right.

[Jimmy]

Which I have some issues with. Because if everybody died at the battle of Thermopylae, how do you have an eyewitness account of the battle of Thermopylae?

[Mike]

It was the guy who got like this.

[Lewis]

There's a drone above it.

[Jimmy]

So yeah, it was that. He was a time traveler, but basically a. A native Greek of traches, who was a sailor, was captured and pressed into service by the Persians. Remember, they owned pretty much, you know, everything around that eastern part of the Mediterranean. So he gets captured and he is press ganged into service to help him move supplies. He finally gets back, the Greeks are at Thermopylae. And he's like, guys, I saw the, the Persian army, it's massive. They've got piles and piles of ammunition that I thought, I thought it was hills, but no, it's just lead shot and arrows. And. But the worst part was this. The Persian archers in their practice, they would fire their arrows into the air and the, the arrows would block out the light of the sun. And this Spartan officer D. Danikis said, good, then we'll fight in the shade.

[Mike]

That actually happened.

[Jimmy]

That is a real thing.

[Lewis]

Weren't they doing some other things too.

[Mike]

When they looked over there, bro, they were first off. A lot of SWAT dudes will not hear this. The Spartans were gayer than it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, they were very gay.

[Mike]

Brent would. No, no, it was more. You have more chance of getting Brent to believe that the moon landing was fake than to. Dude, he had that Spartan helmet over there. Like, it was like, tell us Santa Claus wasn't real, dude.

[Jimmy]

So. Dude, it was hard for me to accept that. But I mean, when I went, when I went and I looked at the history and I started getting into it and it was like, you know, so there's a. Oh God, I'm. How am I drawing a blank on this? I've read like all of those books.

[Mike]

Maybe that's why you got too much going on.

[Jimmy]

I have too much going on in my brain or either that I'm just getting old and I need to go on TRT to help my memory, but save 20.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

The, the, the guy that had. That has written the most and has the most experience with the ancient Greeks was like, oh yeah. I mean, and I can absolutely go into detail about how gay they actually were. And it was, it was very gay. It was, it was very, extremely battle gay.

[Lewis]

Right.

[Mike]

But it's not cool to think of them as gay because we back different.

[Lewis]

Were they gay or just like nobody else was around?

[Mike]

It's alarming. How you're classifying.

[Lewis]

No, I'm just wondering. Or was it, like. Let me. Okay. Like.

[Jimmy]

So here's.

[Lewis]

I'm shooting at.

[Jimmy]

They were not Flamboyan, okay?

[Mike]

They were all. Well, who got.

[Jimmy]

The actual gay? So here's what happens.

[Lewis]

Okay?

[Jimmy]

We're gonna use. We're gonna use Lewis and Tyler.

[Mike]

Why?

[Jimmy]

Because it's a good example or not? Lewis and Tyler. Lewis and Mike. Okay, cool. So Mike is a. A much older veteran Spartan.

[Lewis]

I was. I was actually there. Yeah, I was actually at the.

[Mike]

This is gonna end with something bad for you.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jimmy]

So Mike is. Mike is getting up there. He's got 15, 20 years in.

[Mike]

In.

[Jimmy]

In the platoon. All right. For a young boy.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

No, no, that. It's.

[Mike]

It's not.

[Jimmy]

Would you let me.

[Mike]

Sorry.

[Jimmy]

So basically, when you got sent to the Agoge, the agoge was. That's.

[Mike]

That's exactly. No pun intended.

[Jimmy]

The agoge, which. The translation is the upbringing. When you went to the Agoge, you got sent there when you were five. You were taken from your mom. You were take. That's all, like, harsh homeschooling. No, you were taken and put in a platoon. You were put in a platoon with other kids your age and.

[Mike]

Like a farm club for the Spartans.

[Jimmy]

No, like.

[Lewis]

Like infantry. Like boot camp.

[Jimmy]

Like boot camp, but high school. Boot camp. Last.

[Mike]

A really harsh home school.

[Jimmy]

You're not at home. You're taken from your home.

[Mike]

Sorry.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it's you.

[Mike]

You don't know.

[Lewis]

The home is in. In home school, the word home means at home. Jimmy's first statement was you were taken from your home.

[Jimmy]

You don't see your mom. You don't really see your mom. You don't really see your dad. First of all, your dad's a Spartan, so you. You get to interact with him on maneuvers and stuff. But you are then given a mentor, an older Spartan, to help you along the way.

[Mike]

I just. Family member, anti hero, number one fan. Used to be the. Tyler's gay. He changed it. He went against everybody's wishes.

[Lewis]

This is going a lot like the Catholic origin here.

[Mike]

All right, keep going.

[Jimmy]

So you. Lewis is five.

[Mike]

I'm trying to try again, man.

[Jimmy]

Lewis is five. Mike is in his 30s. That's the homosexual relationship that starts then.

[Mike]

Like, they actually start.

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Mike]

Physically touching them at five.

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Mike]

So that's why they're into men, then? Because they're trauma.

[Jimmy]

The re. No, the reason why was because they wanted your loyalty to be to the platoon. Not to your wife, not to your kids, not to Your mom and dad to the platoon. That's what they wanted. And it was very, very harsh because ultimately your relationship with the platoon was about your sacrifice on the battlefield for the state. It was the ultimate state run military.

[Lewis]

How did they continue their like, bloodline? So they go back home.

[Jimmy]

So no. So here's what happened. So if you wanted to get. So Tyler, you.

[Mike]

I brought into it now.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Tyler, you find you. You are around 19, Heather is around 14, 15.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

And you think that she's hot. You've talked to her family. You want to be married to her, you have to kidnap and rape her. If she can fight you off, you're not getting married.

[Mike]

Are you serious?

[Jimmy]

I'm dead ass. That.

[Mike]

Is this real?

[Jimmy]

This is absolutely real.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Jimmy]

The silence.

[Mike]

That wasn't in the movie.

[Jimmy]

No, it was not in the movie.

[Mike]

Maybe that's what they mean by the oracles, dude.

[Jimmy]

No, the oracles is something completely different.

[Lewis]

I don't want to know about that.

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Lewis]

This is getting bad.

[Mike]

Yeah, let's go back to my ran.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, so we. Yeah, we. We got our history.

[Lewis]

I think Lewis has got his videos up.

[Jimmy]

So. Yeah, so the next one. Let me look here. We don't need to walk. We can. The. The Shaw of Iran's son, he put out a. A video to his people. It's got subtitles and of course like we can play it, but like we're. We're kind of an audio medium. So I have it if you want it. But the big one is the Iranian protest. So you see the one that says Tehran protest, right, Lewis?

[Lewis]

Yep.

[Jimmy]

That's the one I want you to play next.

[Mike]

That's not it.

[Jimmy]

No, that's the shop.

[Lewis]

That's the one of the guy talking that he just said.

[Canine]

Okay, well, I numbered it wrong.

[Mike]

You were right. Clothes.

[Lewis]

You'll get it tomorrow.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

Well, they're. They're in the streets.

[Lewis]

They're protesting.

[Mike]

Can you imagine Tehran not ever having to happen and then having to deal with that? Like, how do you deal with that? You just gotta let it play its course. You can't kill that many people publicly.

[Jimmy]

Well, that's. That's the. I mean, they're burning down police stations and they're like, someone said in the.

[Mike]

Chat that 500 Iranians have already been killed. Killed. I don't know if that's true.

[Jimmy]

That's. That's not a bad estimate. We don't know because the first of all, there's an Internet blackout. Second of all, like, we only know about the big places that we can kind of keep an eye on. God only knows what's happening out in the villages where I'm. I'm sure, you know, people are, you know, being sodomized by horses or something.

[Mike]

Oh, boy. Show Louis.

[Lewis]

That's what happens when you get the video.

[Jimmy]

You get whipped.

[Mike]

All right, what other videos we got?

[Jimmy]

So the. That's the. That's the big one right there. The other one was, of course, the Shah of Iran son. And we could play it and. But I mean, somebody.

[Mike]

So this isn't the Ayatollah.

[Jimmy]

No. So the Shah was the king. Okay, so think Shah, king, King of Iran, which Persia was deposed, which means that he was kicked out of the country by the Ayatollah Khomeini. Okay. And this is his son, who is basically saying here. And, you know, I mean, we. I can. I can read it in my best Persian accent. It's going to sound like Dale Earnhardt.

[Mike]

But like the guy who survived the 300.

[Jimmy]

Oh, okay.

[Mike]

That.

[Jimmy]

That's like a farmier that.

[Mike]

I'm telling you. That's what I sound like. Yeah.

[Lewis]

All right, go ahead.

[Jimmy]

All right, let's see here. Once it comes up, I gotta hit.

[Mike]

It on only one look back. Oh, we got.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, that's what I said. There's subtitles.

[Mike]

Yeah. Our audio listeners will get. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

I mean, basically what he's saying is there's a lot going on in Iran and I'd really like to be. Shock.

[Mike]

Hey, this is your time to shine, bro. Where's the Ayatollah during all this hiding.

[Jimmy]

And planning to his escape to Moscow?

[Mike]

Well, we could talk about this for hours, huh?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I. I could go deep on it. No pun intended. We just talked about Spartans, and I'm.

[Mike]

I wasn't thinking it.

[Jimmy]

Well, I. Dude, like, I don't know, because, like, I. I mean. I mean, stand up.

[Mike]

Let's look at. Let's do an inspection. I'm just getting to where. I'm joking. Like, you had a boner. Oh, oh, okay. Sir. How. He didn't even question me telling him stand up.

[Lewis]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

So. Oh, man.

[Mike]

What a.

[Jimmy]

What a time to be alive. So, again, lots of military activity from the US Military. President Trump has said, like, hey, helps on the way.

[Mike]

He's so. He's he's tell. Telling the Iranian people. That helps on the way.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

AKA saying letters in the mail.

[Jimmy]

The Delta Force might come in and snatch somebody in the middle of the night.

[Mike]

We're on a roll, baby.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So, I mean, we're. We're like Pokemon, man. We gotta catch them all. I think we start collecting them like trading cards, you know, we start getting three of them and then maybe we can, I don't know, wheel and deal.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

But the controversy is that guess who really wants us to help over there and in Persia?

[Mike]

Israel. Yes. Oh, imagine that.

[Jimmy]

They really.

[Mike]

We keeping you awake, Mike?

[Lewis]

No. Good.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Lewis]

I don't sleep anymore.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, dude, Friday, you guys were giving me a hard time about it, too.

[Lewis]

I can't sleep. My knee hurts so bad. It's miserable.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. And he. And. And he's all natural, too. No, no energy drinks, nothing.

[Lewis]

Yes.

[Mike]

Yeah, I got my salt water.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I'm about to go into the salt water, too. Like, we're all gonna do it. We're gonna go on a cleanse. So, yeah, Israel definitely wants us to go over there and bring him some freedom. And I personally am of the opinion that we shouldn't give them anything.

[Mike]

I think that. I honestly think that my juvenile mind that knows nothing about geopolitics says I'm okay with 20 dudes going there and snatching up the leader to let them do their thing. I think the country in general and everybody has learned we cannot go. We can't go. We can lead a horse to water. We can't make them drink it.

[Jimmy]

We're not going boots on the ground.

[Mike]

Let them do their thing. If they burn the whole country down and then start tribes and start over, fine, it.

[Lewis]

But where do we draw the line? Do we all. Because obviously we don't like what China's doing. We're not going to go into China and snatch anybody up. So it's. Do we. There's got to be an alternate.

[Jimmy]

Could we, though? Is it possible?

[Mike]

That would be.

[Jimmy]

That would be awesome.

[Lewis]

But I'm just. It's like, you know, Venezuela, it's easy target where we're there 20 minutes and we were done. We're in and out.

[Mike]

Yeah, we're gonna go. We're gonna go take someone's lunch money. I'm not gonna.

[Lewis]

We've been dealing with Iran for, what, 30 years?

[Jimmy]

Since when did you go into the army?

[Lewis]

Yeah. 96.

[Jimmy]

Okay. So it was. Yeah, it was 80. 88.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I'll ignore it and all that.

[Jimmy]

85 somewhere. I mean, like in the 80s, if.

[Lewis]

We could have done that, then I was like, why didn't we do it now we're gonna do it.

[Jimmy]

Well, I mean, here's the argument is that Iran became as strong as they are because we got rid of their only major competitor. And that was a Rock.

[Mike]

Well, here's the other thing too. I think that everybody kind of thinks Iran's this big bad country because they were bigger and better than Iraq, but it's still Iran.

[Jimmy]

I, I mean, here's the thing. There's some of my friends that are dead because of Iranians. That's a fact.

[Mike]

I was.

[Jimmy]

You, you drove down the road.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Very, very concerned.

[Mike]

I almost went super dark though.

[Jimmy]

Why?

[Mike]

She said, I have some friends that are dead because Iranians. And I was like, your friends are Iranians.

[Jimmy]

But I, I mean, I, I, I, I have friends that are Iranian. Well, not friends. I have acquaintances that are from Iran, they're Persians. And you know, I, I tell them all the time, you know, it was Kudz force in Solder City that was, you know, killing a lot of American soldiers with those EFPs.

[Mike]

You. Yep. They came straight from Iran and.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And is that where ISIS is held up majority nowadays?

[Jimmy]

No, no. ISIS is in and around Syria, which we got Syria airstrikes going on too.

[Mike]

I saw that. First time since what, December? Yeah. So we're, we'll take a break for Christmas. Christmas? Yeah.

[Lewis]

Bomb everything, huh?

[Jimmy]

Why not, man? Who's gonna stop us?

[Lewis]

Well, all the Dick Cheney's people are getting rich.

[Jimmy]

We're rolling up like we're the, the Empire from Star wars. Like do something.

[Lewis]

I get it, but it's.

[Jimmy]

We'll send the Death Star.

[Lewis]

We have a lot of money, I'll tell you that. That's where I was gonna go with that other ICE conversation. How much money we're spending. It's just unlimited money.

[Mike]

Yeah, well, so who said. Was it you that said they're sending a thousand agents? Yeah. To where?

[Jimmy]

To Minneapolis.

[Mike]

A thousand ICE agents or a thousand feds?

[Jimmy]

A thousand. I think it's ICE agents.

[Lewis]

And they just posted on their socials. $50,000 signing bonus. Now it came out today. $50,000 bonus to join ICE. The only thing is you have to worry about it. They can put you anywhere they want you. So here.

[Jimmy]

So you're going to Minneapolis?

[Lewis]

Yeah, pretty much anywhere. You can end up anywhere.

[Mike]

Well, there it is, deployed right now. Those guys are probably stationed all over the country.

[Lewis]

Yes, but I'm saying you have no, you have no real pick of where you can. You're going to be assigned, you're going to get put. You know, new guys like.

[Mike]

That's why I didn't go with it.

[Lewis]

When the D A guys get hired, they usually end up in El Paso.

[Mike]

I don't want to go. I don't want to be at needs of the government, so.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, well, I've already played that game with the federal government. I have no desire to be. I don't want to be a pawn of the federal government, nor do I want to turn.

[Mike]

Hey, yo, you could give me in six months, you could be out there with a tipman 98. Just.

[Jimmy]

That would be awesome, dude. Like, I mean, a Tippman 98. Let's get a good one, man. Let's get like a.

[Mike]

Remember, what would they call? Bushmasters or.

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike]

Oh, man, that sent me. Spider. Compact Thousand. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Get us a good electronic one with a good electronic trigger.

[Mike]

Spider. Yeah, you gotta go like this. You gotta hold like this. Yeah, you gotta go like this. Yeah, that's what you do.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Angel.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, Dude. How awesome would that be? I mean, if they actually did it? Like, why don't we just upgrade and just find a way to fire simunitions out of a ma Deuce and just really go after it? That would be less than lethal.

[Mike]

So the World Turns is in crisis mode. There's just so much going on. Actually, I saw the coolest thing. Can you go to our Instagram, Lewis? I don't know why that's asking a lot.

[Lewis]

That's asking a lot.

[Mike]

No, it's in Instagram.

[Lewis]

Okay.

[Mike]

That you have open in the other window, right?

[Lewis]

Maybe.

[Mike]

Yep, right there. Now go to Tyler.

[Jimmy]

Right there.

[Mike]

Yep. Up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up. Right there. That one there. That. It's a. It's a really cool video because it's just the most American thing I've ever seen. You have? You know, I remember being an aspiring young man, and I wanted to work for the government, do something, you know, represent my community, my country. And in this video, you have Delta Force doing their practice run.

[Jimmy]

I think this was the Sith. I think this was the Sith from seventh Group.

[Mike]

Oh, so they weren't involved.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, this is. This. So I. This video, I think, is the. The SIF from seventh Group.

[Mike]

What do they do? Oh, so they're not doing dry runs for Venezuela?

[Jimmy]

I don't think so.

[Mike]

The.

[Jimmy]

The information that I got was that this was the sif, But I mean, regardless, they're showing.

[Mike]

They're showing the president in this bunker, and they're letting him see what they're doing. I mean, maybe it was archive footage that they just randomly put a caption up. But then you have. Not only that, but then you have. You know, you have Trump's Secret Service surrounding the bunker, because that's another badass job that you're doing. Like, when you work for the US Government, you can do some really badass. I remember thinking like all of us, though, we were the guys that were told to go out the day before and build the sandbag.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Either that or we were the OP4.

[Lewis]

That got Rick rolled by Delta Concertina wire 7,000 layers deep around this.

[Mike]

Oh, Trump's not coming.

[Canine]

Never mind.

[Mike]

Take it all down.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Hey, hey, Private Hoover, we're gonna wrap you in bubble wrap. You're going over the C wire. We're all gonna run across you.

[Mike]

Yep. So play the video for the love of.

[Lewis]

And the gunfire stops.

[Mike]

But Secret Service is trained. He can't trust everybody. So he's also surrounded by a secret service. That's. Oh yeah, Look at on the rope, dude, they're coming down way.

[Jimmy]

That's definitely.

[Mike]

Good call on letting our audio.

[Jimmy]

Giants get some. Cool.

[Mike]

So, yeah, it's Trump. Watching this from what, half a mile away?

[Jimmy]

That looks like crack.

[Mike]

They've got Secret Service all watching. And I think what I'm, I think what I'm gathering this from is that you'll always, in your career, when you do some kind of service for your community or your country, you will always look at and go, that guy's got a cool job. And you'll never take in the fact that what you're doing is such an important piece in something. Like even local cops. I remember looking like feds, like, man, that's cool. But then there's all kinds of people looking at you going, that would be a cool job to have. And feds going, man, these guys actually go out and fight crime all day long. I'm a fed. You know, everybody's got this thing where like that would be a. No one's ever satisfied with their job.

[Lewis]

Only that it's like I look at some of those jobs, like, how does that, how do you even get that job? How do you apply for that job? Yeah, like all these wild ass jobs. It's like, how do you, you know, you're a kid, you grow up, it's like, how do you get to that job? Like, where's the path for that?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Seems like a lot of luck and a lot of knowing people.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

You know, do your research. And I mean, I mean, look like even the guys that end up in these like special mission units, I mean like they, those guys work exceedingly hard to be average, surrounded by their peers. Yeah, they, I mean, so you can go, like, man, they're doing the coolest and it's like, yeah, but like they are busting their ass every day. It's not like even being athlete, you know, playing sports where you get an off season, there's no off season for some of these people. And it will grind your ass down.

[Mike]

But if you look at it, you trust the process. You know, look at us. We, we, we were all in jobs and occupations that gave us the credibility to inform and entertain.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And look at us now. We're all heavily devoted to this much. Like, I mean, you could have told me in the army, you could, you could be sf. Okay, you got to do this. Not that devoted law enforcement. You could be this guy. You could be the Marshall task Force. For me. I was like. And not that devoted. You, you start, I started doing something like this. I'll give everything I can.

[Jimmy]

And there's the difference, right, Is that you've got to find that peace that, you know, that, that drive within you. I mean, I, when I first joined the military, like, I, that's what I wanted to be. I wanted to be, you know, on a special mission unit. Very quickly I learned two things. Number one, I knew a guy who ended up there and I saw how committed he was and I was like, yeah, I don't want to run up the mountain the day after we come back from a three week field problem in the mountains. I want to drink beer and eat pizza.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

And play Xbox. Number two, I was very happy doing what I was doing at that moment.

[Lewis]

And it's obviously maturity levels. I think when I was in infantry, I would like Ranger school. I was just, there's no, I didn't, I wasn't interested. I would have been better off going to ranger school at 40. Oh yeah. Physically different mindset. I joined the army and I was like, I, I just, like, the job was cool, but it's like, yeah, I like what I'm doing. Like, I don't want to go do all that. Like, you know, it's like, I'm here. I mean, and then as I got older, I was like, damn, now I wish I could go back. Like, I had the maturity and the physical and dedication and mindset now to go. Hate that word and to go do it. So I, you know, I'd have been better Ranger Squad 40 than I would have been.

[Jimmy]

I, I have said that, that very. Something very similar that like, if I could put this brain in that body. If I could put this brain in that body. Because at the time, when I was in my early 20s, I wasn't as mature, especially with dealing with long term, prolonged suffering.

[Mike]

You know, as opposed to the Spartans who are like, I want to put this brain in that body.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, exactly. You know. Yeah.

[Lewis]

I mean, it's not a good ending.

[Mike]

Ending.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Front of the show.

[Mike]

You know, we're gonna have to have eventually one day is like structure. No, And I say that like, you know, we're at. We're at the One, but like, you know, if we're ever like, hey, we have to be done two hours, but we have to make it to two hours. And so like we're gonna have to have like a clock that countdown so.

[Lewis]

We can do all that extra stuff.

[Mike]

No, no. Okay. I'll have Lewis have an assistant.

[Lewis]

Before I go, I want to touch on the ice.

[Jimmy]

Paul Cartlidge. That was his name.

[Lewis]

I got down my knee. Paul Cartage. Bad. What do you think ICE surveillance budget? What do you think I spent this year?

[Jimmy]

4 billion.

[Mike]

How much on ice this year surveillance? 300 million.

[Lewis]

$28.7 billion for the year 2025 for just surveillance.

[Jimmy]

Damn.

[Lewis]

And they are expected to spend triple that. 56.25 billion more over the next 3.

[Jimmy]

Billion with a B.

[Lewis]

Billion with a B. What they're doing is. This is where I went with this is my buddy works for a company and they. Another one of the open source companies got the freedom information stuff. And ICE is tracking. When we talk about the government, they're tracking everybody's phones in cities without warrants, without any other. They're just. They know we're buddies. They know who we are. They're watching our phones and we're wanted immigrants and we're. They're moving. They're. They're monitoring entire neighborhoods.

[Mike]

You remember, you remember how they concluded Batman, the Dark Knight?

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Nobody should have this.

[Mike]

But that stuff. Stuff is not a fiction of the imagination.

[Jimmy]

No, it's real.

[Mike]

Does that make sense? What was I trying to say? Figment of the imagination. That is that. That concept and those strategies and those tools are a hundred percent there. It might not be a 47 inch big screen TV with one black man running at all. That was. What was his name?

[Jimmy]

Lucius Fox.

[Mike]

Lucius Fox. I don't know why his race had anything to do with that. Sound like Mike, but rub it off.

[Lewis]

But so think. Think about it. We think. Okay. You need a search warrant. If everybody. Social media and phone surveillance system icebot accesses bought access to is designed to monitor a city, neighborhood or block for mobile phones. Track the movements of the devices and their owners over time and allows them to follow Them from their place of work to their home or other locations. So that's all being done warrantless and openly.

[Mike]

America, I was just getting ready to play it, dude, I was gonna Google it. Like America that's of pros and cons, dude. We have a very secure and safe country. But that there's. And I know people will come after me like you want to give up your freedoms for your safety. But at the end of the day I, I'm not committing crimes. So I highly doubt that they care about the anti hero broadcast. Like they're. Let's let it be known they're going to talk about Iran. We can, you know, what do we.

[Jimmy]

I mean if, if I don't even think I. I mean you could make the argument that even the. Even though we do criticize the current administration pretty heavily, I mean we don't pull any punches with Trump, that they probably would look at us and go, those guys are actually our friends.

[Mike]

Yeah, for sure.

[Lewis]

And think about, you know, one of the arguments I heard was well, they're not citizens. They don't have any rights. You can't tell me it's just non.

[Jimmy]

Citizens that are being my argument to that is if that's true, then we should be able to turn the Delta Force and the military intelligence community loose.

[Mike]

Because they have no rights.

[Jimmy]

They have no right.

[Lewis]

Just think about it. But think about that concept. Your government right here can track everything.

[Mike]

About you without a new concept.

[Lewis]

It's. I'm just saying people don't think about that. We watch all this stuff and all these distractionary blows on the media. You got Iran and everybody running down the street and. But we talk about.

[Mike]

Right.

[Lewis]

Freedom, you know, you don't. We're not. Are we as free as we say we are?

[Mike]

No, of course we'll leave that as the question of the day. Big yeah. So tomorrow's Patreon Tuesday. Patreon Tuesdays are exclusively. It's the same thing, but it's only for Patreon members. So if you can go to our Patreon, subscribe to it and we didn't mean for it, but the discussions were a little bit more off the cuff. I'll launch another teaser reel that kind of like talked about what we talked about last Tuesday, but it is only for Patreon members. You can listen to it later on on the audio side if you want. But to, to be a part of it and everything. We need you to join the Patreon. That's what help keeps the lights on. That's what helped pays these salaries. That's what helps pay my salary. Like, so. Patreon's very important, and we like to award people with, you know, things like that. So it's Patreon Tuesday. If you don't want to join the Patreon, we'll be back with Friends Day.

[Jimmy]

We're gonna live stream Mike's surgery from the operating room.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen. I got an MRI tomorrow night and then follow up. And we're always giving stuff away in the. During the show. I gave away a bunch of stickers and patches last.

[Mike]

Did you actually send it?

[Lewis]

I did.

[Mike]

Nice.

[Lewis]

It got there before yours.

[Mike]

Yeah, shut up.

[Lewis]

So.

[Mike]

All right, well, we'll see you guys tomorrow, hopefully on Patreon Tuesday. If not, we will see you Wednesday, 11am and Patreon Tuesday, it's also 11am live, but we'll see you 11am for Wednesday. Friends day. Thanks, guys.

[Jimmy]

Later, boys.

[Mike]

Jv team for life.