01/14/2026: Friendsday w/ Waylon Reavis (A Killer's Confession)

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast

Friendsday w/ Waylon Reavis (A Killer's Confession)

Date: January 14, 2026
Host: Tyler France (The Antihero Podcast)
Guests: Waylon Revis (A Killer’s Confession, ex-Mushroomhead), Mike (Law Enforcement Officer), Jimmy (Co-host)

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Episode Overview

This Friendsday episode features an in-depth, candid conversation with Waylon Revis—frontman of A Killer’s Confession and former Mushroomhead vocalist. Geared toward veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans, the show explores Waylon’s musical journey, sobriety, the challenges of the modern music industry, and, most intensely, his outspoken crusade against child exploitation. The dialogue touches on everything from music industry realities and mental health to faith, justice, and the power of purpose-driven art.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Musical Roots & Career Beginnings

• Waylon’s Upbringing: Grew up in rural North Carolina ("middle of nowhere," [08:09]) in a hard-working, bluegrass-influenced family. Named after country legend Waylon Jennings—his brother's name is Willie—highlighting country roots in a household where metal was not accepted due to his mother’s strict religious beliefs.
• First Steps in Music: Started vocalizing at 15, inspired by seeing the local scene and sneaking out to see Danzig, Marilyn Manson, and Korn. Early struggles ("I was the worst thing you've ever heard, it was better to listen to a cat in the heat," [15:44]).
• Breakthrough: Spent a decade grinding in North Carolina bands before catching Mushroomhead’s attention and joining after J Man’s departure.

2. Realities of the Modern Music Industry

• Changing Landscape: Discussed at length the collapse in music sales, streaming economy, and pressures from platforms like Spotify, which favor singles over albums.
  • "You get $4,000 for a million streams... back then a million records sold was $10 million." ([13:06])
• DIY and Authenticity: Runs his own merch; his wife handles orders—the band's business is truly hands-on and small-scale despite touring nationally.
• Industry Disillusionment: No desire for stardom or “mainstream metal”; prioritizes personal life and values being able to live anonymously.
  • “You lose the ability to go to Walmart. Life’s over.” ([14:17])

3. The Origin and Mission of A Killer’s Confession

• Message and Persona: Adopted a stage character and mask as a vessel for his music’s themes—using theatricality to confront dark realities.
  • "There's the character I play on stage, and then there's me, this dad… that’s what I care about." ([18:46])
• Purpose-Driven Art: A Killer’s Confession was born from Waylon’s trauma after working with children rescued from trafficking. The “Victim Trilogy” albums detail a fictional character's revenge against predators, serving as catharsis and commentary.
  • "Save a kid, kill a pedophile. Like, that's what we're about... I'm telling the story because... I couldn't forget what I had learned." ([23:28])
  • "My wife said, put it in song; put it in music." ([24:31])
• Technology and Songwriting: Frustration that attention spans have shortened and songs are getting shorter to fit social media trends.

4. The Fight Against Child Exploitation

• Unflinching Stance: The entire panel, especially Waylon, is adamant—no forgiveness, no rehabilitation for child predators.
  • “Dead pedos don’t reoffend.” ([48:46])
  • “The only way you can draw true attention to it is by saying something equally or greater, that's… uglier.” ([47:58])
• Personal Impact: Waylon recounts lasting nightmares from his time working with exploited children. He and the hosts discuss the psychological toll of seeing “the underbelly” and the imperative to speak out and use their platform.
  • “I had nightmares still... I had to apologize to myself.” ([27:12], [34:42])
• Systemic Failures: The law enforcement perspective (Mike) highlights that the system lets too many offenders off easy, often plea-bargaining down terrible offenses to avoid traumatizing young victims in court.
  • “My county has… 211 offenders... that’s huge. That’s just reported, documented.” ([68:55], [69:17])
• Advocacy through Art and Merch: The band sells "Save a Kid, Kill a Pedophile" apparel and speaks the message from the stage and literally on the back of their tour RV.

5. Public Perception and Backlash

• Risks of Outspokenness: Waylon admits that his message keeps him out of “the club” in terms of industry or mainstream support, and that even some bands keep their distance.
  • “There’s a club and I’m not invited… I’ll be taken care of as long as I speak the truth and the message.” ([36:35], [37:14])
• Faith and Morality: Waylon explains his Christianity as the moral foundation for his stance—though he rarely discusses his faith in public, he feels compelled to be honest and transparent on the show.
  • “My faith tells me to speak on it… what I know, between my relationship personally, is I just do what he tells me and he points me in the right direction.” ([89:09])
  • "I’ve always had a hesitancy to speak about my faith." ([114:29])

6. Sobriety and Personal Growth

• Turning Point: Suffered a drug-induced stroke on stage, leading to a personal reckoning and a decade of sobriety, with major credit to his wife for her unwavering support.
  • “I had to apologize. Had to apologize to myself. I had to look in the mirror and accept who I became...” ([34:42])
  • “My wife did... I can't give her enough [credit], I can't not try.” ([111:18])

7. Societal Solutions and Legal Reform

• Panel's Consensus: Vigorous debate about whether only stronger laws, public shame, and ultimately the death penalty for convicted predators will stem the epidemic. Vigilantism is rejected—action must be legal and societal.
  • “We as people [need to] come together with our lawmakers… This is the punishment. You're done.” ([70:43])
• Cultural Commentary: Criticizes modern political and legal reluctance to take a hard stand, the rebranding of “pedophiles” as “minor-attracted persons,” and the dangerous normalizing of criminal behavior.
  • “They somehow have managed to get their way… piggybacking in the door before the bouncer can close it.” ([80:29])

8. Community, Live Shows & Fan Interaction

• Down-to-Earth Touring: They travel and operate as a small team—no crew, just the band and Waylon’s wife; Waylon drives the RV, listens to Harry Potter audiobooks to stay awake, and interacts with fans personally at every show ([42:28], [42:52], [121:22]).
• Fan Stories: Shared stories of fans using his merch as a statement in confronting their attackers; insists on his shows and message being a safe place for survivors.
  • “[A woman] said, I want to give this to my attacker… ‘save a kid, kill a pedophile’” ([38:39])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Artistic Mission and Stage Persona

• “There's the character that I play on stage, and then there's me, this dad… right here, he is, he wanted to show up.” – Waylon Revis [18:46]
• “When I put these glasses on, nobody knows it's me. It's the Clark Kent thing, man.” – Waylon Revis [19:39]

On the Industry & Streaming

• "You get $4,000 for a million streams. A million records sold was $10 million..." – Waylon Revis [13:06]
• “Being famous sucks… worst thing in the world.” – Waylon Revis [25:08]

On His Message and the Victim Trilogy

• "Save a kid, kill a pedophile. That’s what we're about… the whole thing is a story." – Waylon Revis [23:28]
• “Worked with children from a state ward… they’d come out of trafficking and into our facility… and it changed me forever.” – Waylon Revis [23:28]

Crime and Justice

• "Dead pedos don’t reoffend. Put it on a shirt, bro." – Waylon Revis & panel [48:46]
• "It is the most heinous crime you can commit against any person, any victim… there is no cure." – Mike (Law Enforcement Officer) [51:09]
• “There’s a club and I’m not invited.” (quoting George Carlin) – Waylon Revis [36:35]

On Sobriety and Redemption

• “Had a stroke on stage… I was sped up like beyond belief… and I had a moment… it was a come to Jesus, a stern intervention from the universe.” – Waylon Revis [32:39]
• "I had to apologize. Had to apologize to myself. I had to look in the mirror and accept who I became." – Waylon Revis [34:42]

On Faith, Family, and Purpose

• “My faith tells me to speak on it. My faith… this is between me and you. We'll discuss this when you get home.” – Waylon Revis [89:09]
• "Everything I have is because of him. And I won't deny that." – Waylon Revis [116:25]
• “I just want my wife to be taken care of. I want my family to be taken care of… that's it.” – Waylon Revis [119:34]

Powerful Fan Interaction

• “This young lady came up… ‘I want to give this [shirt] to my attacker, I want to wear this when I confront him.’” – Waylon Revis [38:39]
• “You are not going to have nightmares to your 13 about this mask… I have never seen a bigger smile on that child’s face… ‘You’re the boogeyman’s boogeyman.’” – Waylon Revis [63:45]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |--------------------------------------------|--------------------| | Opening/Show Purpose/Intros | 01:15 - 04:40 | | Waylon’s Early Life / Music Beginnings | 08:09 - 18:30 | | On Stage Persona & Artistry | 18:46 - 22:33 | | Formation & Purpose of A Killer’s Confession| 23:08 - 27:99 | | On Abuse, Advocacy & The Victim Trilogy | 23:08 - 28:55 | | Industry Economics & Challenges | 11:20 - 13:40 | | The Reality and Recidivism of Predators | 47:58 - 64:00 | | Sobriety, Family, and Self-Love | 32:39 - 35:26 | | Approach to Justice: Law, Reform, Society | 70:43 - 80:29 | | Touring, Small Biz Realities | 42:28 - 43:40, 121:22 | | Faith in Action & Life Purpose | 89:09 - 92:51, 114:29 - 117:05 | | Closing Messages / Thank Yous | 120:47 - End |

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Tone and Language

• Camaraderie: Direct, humorous, grounded in lived experience as veterans/first responders.
• Righteous Outrage: Emphasized on issues of child exploitation, systemic injustice, and cultural silence.
• Vulnerability & Empathy: Especially from Waylon regarding sobriety, nightmares, family, and faith.
• Hope and Purpose: Despite darkness, a consistent message of redemption, community, and a better future for survivors.

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In Summary

This episode is a raw, sincere expose of Waylon Revis’s journey from bluegrass country to masked metal, and from personal battles with addiction to public crusades against child abuse. It’s a testament to how art, faith, and purpose can intersect for powerful social good, even in an unforgiving industry. The Antihero Broadcast and its guest make no apologies: protecting children is non-negotiable, and sometimes, the battle for the soul of a society must start with music, honesty, and the courage to stand apart from the crowd.

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For more:

• Waylon’s band/site: A Killer’s Confession Merch & Tour Info
• Next tour stops: Wilmington, Gastonia, Atlanta, various Florida cities, Houston, Dallas, etc. (see [120:06])
• "Don’t judge a book by its cover. This message isn't dark, it's just reality." – Waylon Revis [120:55]

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Transcript

[Waylon Revis]

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[Tyler France]

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[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

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[Tyler France]

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[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

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[Tyler France]

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[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

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[Tyler France]

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[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

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[Tyler France]

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[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And don't forget. Yeah, don't forget our Patreon. We were live yesterday in Patreon. Join like subscribe and good time yesterday.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Tyler France]

And tomorrow will be covered. Jimmy's got a bunch of updates on. What were we talking about this morning?

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Somalia.

[Tyler France]

From blowing the out of everybody in other countries. We. We were looking at Iran. They were working on Syria. Somalia, the old switcheroo. Yeah, it's not Syria.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

No. Somalia. You want, you want to open daycares? We're gonna bomb you.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, I didn't think isis.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

It's ISIS and Somalia.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah, it's ISIS and Al Shabaab.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

You know those nice people that come to our country and open daycares for our kids. They. They happen to associate with isis.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Here's. Here's the thing. There's a very good chance some of that fraud money went right into the coffers of these terrorists that just got blown up.

[Tyler France]

No.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Say it ain't so. Right?

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

No, they wouldn't funnel back money back to Somalia for terrorists.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

No. They're good, hard working people. They're going to be astronauts.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah. Yep.

[Tyler France]

Man, the crazy world we live in nowadays. We can cover bombings in Somalia live. And we're gonna do a squad workout tomorrow. Is that for Patreon?

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah. You can do it.

[Tyler France]

Mike's old and he can't do it with us, so he's gonna coach.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I am doing it with you. I told you what I can do. We could put the bench up. We can put on the bench. We can do shoulders. I did arms yesterday. I just can't. Obviously I can't do deadlifts or squats.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I'm gonna be real. You guys are gonna embarrass the out of me and all of it. And, and that's okay.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Like day one. Hey, what is it? What was one of the motivational sayings? You can't have day 20 without day one. You got to take this.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You know the, the thing that is for me is that like, I already know I can get back there, you know? So for me, it's like I don't have. I'm not worried about being embarrassed today because I know where I can get to in six months.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah, Patreon got to see it. Yesterday, Jimmy was jacked.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, Jimmy was ripped.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah, there was a time when I was. When I was an operator. Oh, wait, I can't say that there's a book about only one guy being the operator.

[Waylon Revis]

No.

[Tyler France]

All right, well, today's Wednesday, Friends day, obviously. Wednesdays we dedicate to. To. To friends and people that are like minded, like us. We have Whelen Revis, the former singer of Mushroom Head, now the current vocalist of A Killer's Confession. Let's bring him in. Well, what's up, man?

[Waylon Revis]

Good morning.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

How you doing?

[Waylon Revis]

How you doing? Thank you, dude.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Such an honor to meet you, man. I was blasting your music in Iraq, dude.

[Tyler France]

Thank you.

[Waylon Revis]

Thank you. You know, that's. First of all, thank you for your service. Thank you, you know, for. To be able to do a job I'll never be able to do. Thank you so much.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Well, everybody on the stream served. So, I mean, like, you know, it's not just me. I mean, and I'm sure Tyler was listening to it too.

[Waylon Revis]

Thank you.

[Tyler France]

Oh, yeah. I mean, that music, I don't think.

[Waylon Revis]

I don't think the generation enough now says that. Thank you for everything you've done for our country. Thank you for giving me the ability to. To keep running my mouth about the things I run them about.

[Tyler France]

Well, Raylan, are you impressed with me for getting your last name right?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, I am. You know, ever since Beavis and Butthead, nobody's been able to say my name.

[Tyler France]

I'm not gonna lie. I saw your. Your interview with a. A DJ, a radio DJ. I think he's got a YouTube channel. And he got it right.

[Waylon Revis]

And I was like, yeah, took me a minute to get it right. He talked to me before the show and he. He said, oh, my God, I've been saying your name wrong for 20 years. I'm like, yeah, you have.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

That shows. Tyler's a good host because I. I did a whole podcast calling a guy the wrong name the whole whole way. So Tyler's got it squared away.

[Waylon Revis]

I just let it go because I gave up.

[Tyler France]

I just.

[Waylon Revis]

I did. I was just like. I realized after like the first seven years, it was never going to change. Shaw's like, no, go ahead. I'm revisiting. I hate it, but I'm reading.

[Tyler France]

So. I mean, like I said, you're very like minded, like us, and honestly, like most of American society, and we'll get into that later, but just kind of like recapping, you know, 30, 000 foot view of your life, like what. What got you into music? I know from 20 years ago, a guy moved to my hometown with the mushroom head, like, you know, X's logo on his forearm. And he's like, you don't understand. You don't understand the scene there, man. It is. It's just something different. And so I saw that you were born in North Carolina.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, Wilkesboro, North Carolina.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Hell, yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

Middle of nowhere. I was born in bluegrass country. And, you know, I'll just be honest with you. My dad named me Waylon. My brother's Willie. So you can go ahead and Whalen.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And Willie and the boys.

[Waylon Revis]

Exactly. And sitting on the answer machine in the morning, my dad be like, you've reached Dean and Jane, the boys. He'd say it just like that. And my dad passed away in 2010 on his deathbed. My dad had a great sense of humor, and he leaned over, he said, give me your hand. I said, okay, daddy. He goes, I gave you the greatest name in country music history. You just chose to sing that metal. I said, that is what called me. I. I just, like, I fell into it. I got lucky. I'm. I tell people all the time, it's like, you could be as talented as you want, but when you hear the story of being in the right place at the right time, it's the truth. I've. I've met so many talented artists that have never been able to get off the ground. It's. It's just. And especially now, even to back in the day, the when when record execs would come to shows and they send scouts, it was hard to find. It's even harder now. You've got more at your fingertips now, and it's harder to get noticed.

[Tyler France]

Well, I've noticed that people got. You have to play some kind of weird game, and it doesn't really matter your talent, because I've met people that cannot play the guitar that are on octane. And it's. It's crazy because. And it was brought to my attention two years ago that you don't play the instruments anymore on the recording. So you. It's all. It's all done. And then you play live shows. And I was like, oh, that makes sense then.

[Waylon Revis]

Well, it. That depends. Like, I work with Dusty bowles and Evan McKeever. Like, they're. I have two teams. I have my writing team, which I am a part of.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Like.

[Waylon Revis]

Like, I have two of my producers and. And co writers that I work with, and then I have my live team that will go out with me and help.

[Tyler France]

Well, they.

[Waylon Revis]

They have the instrumental Task of trying to recreate what we did in the studio while we're going. That's cool. And nobody's thinking, well how you gonna pull that off live? You know, it's like I'm in the middle of it right now as we speak. I try to do an album a year. You know, as soon as my album drops, nobody really realizes I'm already writing the next chapter to what I'm doing. So. And that's the industry today. It's like you've got to pretty much. If Spotify had their way, I would be writing and releasing a song every Friday. Yeah, every Friday.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Okay.

[Waylon Revis]

A, I don't have the money for that and B, I got grandkids and I got, I got a lot to live too. You know, it's like I don't want to be a part of that. I, I liked, you know, it's like releasing album is the hardest thing in the world now. It's just to end it, to compete because everybody, because of Tick tock and reels, they have an attention span of a nat. So like I, I, you have. My songs are getting shorter by the moment. Like they're just getting shorter and shorter and shorter because nobody has attention span to sit through a song. It's crazy.

[Tyler France]

Do albums even come out anymore? I mean, I notice everybody's starting to do just singles.

[Waylon Revis]

It's called a waterfall. What, what you try to do is like you release a song and then four weeks or later you release another song and another song and another song and then by the end of it then you put it all together and then there's your album. And then once the album hits, it's done. Like Spotify has nothing else to do with it. It, it'll get a good two, three weeks, you know, through the algorithm and then they're off to the next thing. So you fight to get, get somewhere.

[Tyler France]

What's the realities? I mean you don't, if you don't want to place an actual dollar sign on it. But what, you know, you write a song, you're like, this is a single from the get go from putting it out to music videos and all that. How much does it cost? Like, I wrote this song from the process of the beginning. Like now we're going to record it all the way to when it's released as a music video. Is it an expensive process?

[Waylon Revis]

It can be. Depends on where you go. You know, it's like, and you, and just throwing the term there. You get what you pay for as well. Like the better the Studio, the more money you spend there. Like to have the top, top of the line equipment where you sound just like everything else. And you have that. And you guys know you have a studio. You're in them right now. You know what it costs to make yourself look like this right now? Same deal, I would say, you know, and not in including time and gas and, you know, food. $5,000 a song.

[Tyler France]

Wow.

[Waylon Revis]

And that's. Yeah. And then. Okay, then Spotify is paying you 00347 a song.

[Tyler France]

And I've noticed YouTube pays you for every 1,000 views. Around $10.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah. You get $4,000 for a million streams. And I came from, from the time where you sold a million records, you know, that at $9, that, that was $10 million, you know.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

You know, 999. There's $9,999,000 that you made. And now a million streams is $4,000. And that didn't cover one song.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

So, you know, and they're making all the money on sponsors and ads and all that on top of it. And you're getting peanuts.

[Waylon Revis]

I've always got peanuts. I've never really seen royalties. I've always been under that. The underground. I've never been a poster child. I've never been like the one that we, you know, I, I wouldn't want to be on tmz. You know, like, that's the truth.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That's. That's kind of my question is like, you know, there's a difference. Like in, in the metal scene, there's like the mainstream metal and then there's like the underground metal. And if you talk to anybody that likes underground metal, they're like, dude, you don't want to listen to those guys. They're mainstream. They're sellouts. So is that sort of your mentality is like, I don't want to be that guy. I want to be the underground guy.

[Waylon Revis]

You know, Like, I, I know some mainstream guys and they're really good friends of mine, but they just have a life. I don't want you lose the ability to go to Walmart. Life's over. I love going to Walmart and mill, you know, well, back in the day, back in the middle of the night and just watch people. Oh yeah, is my thing. I love to sit back and see how dumb somebody can be. You know, it's like, you really a cop? I got pretty good friends.

[Tyler France]

I will say night shift as a cop is a lot like people watching at Walmart. You know, there's only a certain portion of the population awake at 3am and they're usually not up to any good.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Unfortunately, you have to take some of them with you. And it gets even worse.

[Waylon Revis]

I have a good friend. He's my next door neighbor, Lombardi. Well, really, he's a. He's an Akron police officer, a sheriff. And I. I have other neighbors, and they'll come. He's like, why is the sheriff in your backyard? He's letting my dog out, you know, and I'm on tour and people call me, say, the police are your house. I'm like, I know they are. He's making sure that my dog goes to the bathroom and not in my house.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Damn, dude.

[Tyler France]

So you got into. What age did you get? I can remember when I, you know, when I joined my first band, but I remember I learned how to play guitar, like, around 14 years old. And when did you get into music and decide, like, this is something I at least want to do of 15.

[Waylon Revis]

I was 15. And my buddies, like, I'll. I'll explain it from the beginning. My, like, like, you heard. I come from a country background and hard workers. My dad worked on a lumber yard. My mother was a Jehovah's Witness. So, like, metal was not, like, in my forecast. I was sheltered from that completely. And my buddies all became a. In a band. And I'm like, this is how you do it. Because I didn't know how it worked. I was like, I figured, you know, the record label put these guys together, they went to school for it or something, and I was just like, whoa, you could do this? And I was like, I want to do this too. And the next I go try. And I was the worst thing you've ever heard. I. I was better. It was better to listen to a cat in the heat in the middle of the night than it was to me.

[Tyler France]

Did you start off with vocals?

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, I started off. I tried to play guitar, and I could play a little bit of guitar. I can play piano. I. I have an ear. Ear for it. I can understand notes. Like, sometimes I won't be able to tell you what note I'm doing, but I can tell you if it's wrong because I can hear this frequency and it kind of just drives me crazy. It just waves in my head and they start doing that. And then they took me to my first concert where I snuck out to go to a. To a show and. And I went and seen Danzig, Marilyn Manson and Corn first show, and they were like, they're like, you're not gonna meet the band don't go meet anybody. By the time Corn got off stage, I was talking to Jonathan Davis, talking to him, and like, and I looked at him and I said the dumbest thing ever. I was like, if my band ever gets signed, I want to open for you. And he said, you have your people call my people. Twenty years later, I had that conversation with Jonathan Davis in Australia. Really? Yes. And Corn's really good friends of mine. They're, they're, they're some of the best people. Damn, bro. And I remember John goes, I remember that tour. He remembered it. And he goes, that was you? And I'm like, yeah. And John and Brian, everybody just took me in. I'm like, little brother, let me sit on the side stage. And I remember I got told by one of their guys, they're like, you know why you're allowed to be here? And I'm like, why? They're like, because you want nothing. John can look over you and see the 15 year old kid that is a true Corn fan. And I was, I was, every day I was like, come on, this is Corn stage. Like, this, this is not happening. And by the end of the tour, it was me because we ended up going on mayhem with them. I got to go on stage and sing somebody, someone. And at that moment, I looked at myself and I was like, if my career ends, yeah, right. See it, you know, And I mean.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Dude, that's why it's so wild just getting to talk to you. I mean, like, like I, I, I live in a crazy world now where, like I'm talking to people. I never thought you'd even know who the I was, but it, it's come full circle.

[Waylon Revis]

It does, man. It's like. But that's the thing. I tell everybody, I'm just wailing. There's the character that I play on stage and then there's me, this dad. And you know, I got my family and that's what I care about. But right, just like the, the guy that people think they know, that's me is just the character that I portray on stage. And you know, right here he is, he wanted to show up.

[Tyler France]

Is that comfortable?

[Waylon Revis]

Actually, it, if it's not poured too tight, it is, it's made to my face and, but it's a character. Like, I learned a long time ago, people go to see scary movies. Same with music. Like, people love that just feeling of like something different. A character that's bigger than life. And then I could take it off and put the glasses on and like, seriously, when I do this. When I put these glasses on, nobody knows it's me. It's the Clark Kent thing works. I'm not telling you, man.

[Tyler France]

Like, I'll say this too, to be honest with you. Your. Your voice is a little bit of a surprise from your vocals.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

If we put him. If we put a flannel on him and a cowboy hat and took him to the fair and had people guess what he does for a living, we'd be millionaires. Yes, millionaires. Nobody's guessing metal. Nobody. Not one person, man.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

He's driving down an arca that's.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

He drives a nascar, like.

[Waylon Revis]

Well, that's the thing. It's like, nobody wants to hear this accent on stage because you. It makes it real. Then it. It's went from being a mass art band to Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You're afraid of the crowd, tie you up and be like, hey, how y' all doing? It's like, whoa. It makes it too real at that point.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So then I, I, I, I have a question about this. You know, I. It's maybe a little bit deeper, but, like, do you have a Batman, Bruce Wayne sort of alter ego? Like, when you put that mask on, do you feel like you really are a different person?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, I do. My wife even will tell you the first time. My wife and I have been together for almost 10 years now. And the first time that she. She wasn't with me when I was in Mushroom Head, and when I started akc, I was like, I'm not doing this crap no more. I'm not putting the makeup on. I'm not putting a mask on. And the first time that I ever put the makeup on, she's like, you're different. She did not like me. She's like, what in the world is.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, I mean, you probably gotten used to, to. I mean, essentially, you know, you're putting your tribal paint on. You're getting in a different mindset.

[Waylon Revis]

I, I am. I was dead serious. And I. And I looked at her, and she was trying to get a kiss before on stage, because I'd always give her a kiss. And this time, I'll just. I was stone cold, and I wasn't thinking about it, but that was the character. Like, I come on stage more like a pit bull, you know, it's like, I still me, but, like, once that happened, it happened. And she said, I don't like that. And I was like, you're right. And I gave her a kiss, and I was like, I can't go up there. Hey, I love you, baby. You Know, with. With blood dripping off my face and stuff, because I was doing the makeup and it was. It was kind of gory, but I do. I take her pot of Miss. What's going on, honey? That's my Frenchie.

[Tyler France]

You got Mike's heart now. Mike's a dog guy.

[Waylon Revis]

But, you know, I do. I go through this transformation now. You know, it's like I put my wife first and. And I do not become him until I walk directly on that stage. I won't let it happen at. Before I'm on stage. Like, I like getting ready and stuff. Not till I step on that stage is. Is when I'm ready. There he is, dude.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, that's this. This energy.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So when. When Tyler told me you were coming, he's like, hey, bro, we're Waylon's coming on. He's like, you're gonna be shocked, Jimmy. He. He doesn't talk, like, the way you think he'd talk. Like, I'm like, oh, okay.

[Tyler France]

Yeah. I mean, it's just when you see somebody like that, you know, you have to watch interviews to. To kind of. To understand and. And understand a person and get the. How they are, you know, you're not going to get someone's true identity out of that. That's. You know, that's. That's art.

[Waylon Revis]

It is art. It's also like, with the killer's confessions. There's a message, and it's loud and clear, you know, if. If, you know, you know, I don't want to get anybody canceled with what we stand for.

[Tyler France]

And. And what?

[Waylon Revis]

Because I get letters all the time. You're. You're spewing hate speech. You're, you know, let it rip, dude.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

We don't give a.

[Waylon Revis]

Save a kid, kill a pedophile. Like, that's what we're about. We're a killer's confession. What do you. Who you think we're killing? It ain't somebody innocent, you know, and, like, the whole thing is a story. And I'm telling the story because, like, when I left Mushroomhead, I worked with children from a state ward type position. They'd come out of trafficking and into our facility, and we had to transition them back into the real world. And I seen the underbelly of that, and it changed me forever. You know, it made me realize how lucky I was first that, you know, something majorly wrong didn't happen in my life and that I became a rock star and I had it as good as anybody could have it. And then I became, you know, kind of Obsessed with it because, like, I couldn't forget what I had learned. And that's the scary part. I could not forget anything that was told to me. And I. I had a very.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Hard.

[Waylon Revis]

Time dealing with it. And my wife was like, put it in. Put it in song. Put it in music. And that's what we started to do. And I created a character to talk about, you know, this guy that had a mental breakdown that had to deal with that exact, exact situation that I dealt with, except he went on a darker path than I did and he took the. Took the reins and decided to do some justice, so. Oh, really? Yes. The Victim trilogy is about a man that lost it and how he's out pretty much hunting predators.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

He's really like the Punisher.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah.

[Tyler France]

Wow.

[Waylon Revis]

Very much so, yeah.

[Tyler France]

Is he out amongst or is he locked up or.

[Waylon Revis]

Well, we'll have to find out in Victim three because the Victim. I get it.

[Tyler France]

I get it now.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I get it.

[Waylon Revis]

Victim three, I can't give away the ending because I'm finishing off the trilogy. Like, I did the back to. Back to back albums all in the same subject matter. And it's all about this one character, and we're getting ready to find out what his fate is.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So. So you're kind of going back to like, almost like Gordon Lightfoot and, you know, telling a story through your music rather than just singing about something.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, well, here's the thing. I got tired of what the industry's become is hook after dumb, dumb, dumb hook and just dumbing down. And it's all about material things, and it's all about what you got, who you know, you know, know, or it's a love song. And I've heard this my entire life. I've never heard a story about a killer that's out being, going out and taking care of the people that are hurting children. And I was just like, I want to do this differently. I want to do. And I'm doing this for myself. I'm not doing this to be famous. Being famous sucks. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. It's the worst thing in the world because you're held to a standard you're never going to get to. Anything you say is gonna be held against you. Everything doesn't matter. You're going to offend somebody one way or another. You can't. Can't go red, you can't go blue. You can't go anything because you're going to alienate somebody. So I'll just stay in the middle. And I'm like, well, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to stay here in the middle and I'm gonna say something everybody agrees with, and if you can't agree with it, I'm gonna look at you through a microscope.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So, yeah, let me. Can I. I want to go back just a second because. So you said you worked with these kids, right? And you're reintegrating them, and you said you.

[Waylon Revis]

You couldn't.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You couldn't forget what you had seen and heard. Did I hear that correctly?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So. And you said it caused you some mental. Mental anguish.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, very much. I had nightmares still.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Okay. I mean, so. So it wasn't like a conscious choice. It was just that this stuff, like, was a splinter in your mind that you just couldn't get out.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, it was. I. I had to deal with this one way or another, like through therapy or this. And I've been lucky enough to understand that you can take what we do and make it an outlet and deal with things. And I try to teach kids that, too. I did that while I was there. I taught them how to write and how to process the feelings they were having. And I was like, you have to be constructive. You can't be negative about it. You have to. You can't move forward by looking back. You have to, like, put this stuff down and tell somebody and. And ex. And push yourself, you know, into a.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So the. The writing for your music now, is it. Is it more of a. An outlet for the anger and the hurt, or is it more of a. God damn it. I wish I was there. I wish I was there to. To help.

[Waylon Revis]

A little bit of both. A little bit of both. And. And it's there. Like, I just. Somebody said it's too dark for them. What I do is not dark. If you listen to it, you'd be shocked how non dark it is. Like. Like, we're. We're not that dark of a band, but it's there to, like. It's like, if you pull it, like, strict. If you pull back the layers of the onion, you're gonna find there's a bunch of them. But it's more of a message to bring. To bring a. An idea to. To your. To remind of, like, stranger danger. Watch your kids. That's where you, like. The real message starts, is like, you know, this is a dark world we live in, and if you don't. If you don't love them, nobody's going to.

[Tyler France]

So that's.

[Waylon Revis]

So.

[Tyler France]

So when. Hold on.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Do you think that this. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Tyler France]

Can you hear me?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes.

[Tyler France]

Okay. Sometimes I randomly cut out, and then we'll just start talking and it's like, so we're gonna get into all that. But your timeline. So how old were you when it seems like you just kind of. Were you in bands like getting your round, your. Your reps in before you were in Mushroom Head, or was that just like, boom, Now I'm like, I was in.

[Waylon Revis]

A band for 10 years, worst band in the world. And I was in the worst band ever for 10 years. And. Well, it wasn't the worst. Like, well, maybe, but I. I played the North Carolina scene for 10 years, and then about year seven or eight, I started having some success. It took that long to just, like, where I was doing bigger shows and I was opening for national acts. And then I went out and played with Mushroom Head and they took notice of me. J Man quits, and they offered me a job. And the next thing I know, I am the guy. You know, I'm the guy and like the. The movie Rockstar. Like that.

[Tyler France]

Oh, yeah, I love that. Mark Wahlberg, the top. Was it hard without being in a successful band? When I say that, I mean like, like, like a Mushroom Head level successful band and just jumping right into it, not knowing what you deserve, not knowing what to expect, not knowing the process.

[Waylon Revis]

It was. I had nobody to take care of me, nobody to tell me not to do something. I had a. I had nobody to guide me in the correct way of, like, take care of your money. Take know what you're signing. I like. I like, here, throw you to the sharks and swim and learn on your own. Like, I was with a group of older people. I had a day. Felton tried, but, you know, just like any young man, you throw any per. Young man into the music industry and you throw them into a crowd of a thousand people that he can have anything he wants and any drug, any. Anything. You can watch his moral compass just spin on itself right there. Same thing had me. I got caught up into the. The underbelly of that for years because, a. I left North Carolina. I left all my friends, left my family, come to Cleveland. I had. I had nobody here, like, no real anchor to, like, keep me grounded. And I drifted away. And for many, many years. It took many years for me to, like, come to terms and like. And a lot of the sadness, like. Like, I had a, like, major depression. The road's already bad enough. You get on the road, you gotta understand, it's like, oh, you're on Tour you're doing this, it's the loneliest place you'll ever be. The loneliest. Like, it's great when you're on that stage, but everybody leaves and then you're back to yourself and then you're back to your own means. And I chose to self medicate and be dumb for a long, long time. And I, I've got 10 years sobriety because of that. You know, it's like I people all the time, like, don't do that. You're not gonna, you're not gonna like the way it ends, I promise you.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, yeah. So you, you were in mushroom from 2004 to 2015?

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, 2004 to 2015.

[Tyler France]

When you departed Mushroom Head, you were you knowing what you were gonna do. It sounds like from talking to you just 10 minutes ago, you didn't have a killer's confession ready to rock and roll. You just left and then got yourself straight.

[Waylon Revis]

Well, I didn't, I wasn't straight when I started a killer's confession. I was really. Nope. I was still like, still dealing with some demons. My wife, I had a stroke on stage. It was the worst thing that ever happened. But it was self medicated. I was, I was sped up like beyond belief and I had a moment.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And.

[Waylon Revis]

Like it was come to Jesus, you know, by stern intervention from, from the universe saying, hey, you knock this off or you're not gonna be here anymore. And I have a very understanding and beautiful wife that allowed me to, you know, sit at home and not go to rehab, not go anywhere and like figure out and get off, get off the drugs. And that's what I did. And everybody's like, well, how'd you do it? I was like, well, fear. I have a fear of drugs now. Like, and, and nothing is a better deterrent than when you're scared of something, when you know, when you know that something happens and you have a stroke and like you lose control of your body, you're scared. And it's like, I get, I'm terrible. I was terrified for years and now I'm just angry. If people bring that stuff around, I'm like, you get away from me. Get that away from me. You have no idea what you've got in your hands and what it's going to do to you. It you're gonna lose your soul, you're gonna lose everything about yourself. You're gonna become a shell and everybody loves you is going to be pushed away.

[Tyler France]

So did you, did you kind of, did you do it by yourself?

[Waylon Revis]

Essentially, me and My wife.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, yeah, you got, you have to give your wife.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, I give my wife all the credit. Like she tells me too. Like, she took care of me like my wife did. She took care of me every step of the way. Fed me, worked while I refuse to leave a bedroom.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Well, that conversation you had in your head, like that moment. So you go from hardcore drug user, you're doing it all the time to the incident. For somebody who's never been in that dark place, what was the conversations you had to have with yourself to have the strength to go, I'm not going to do this tomorrow.

[Waylon Revis]

I had to apologize. Had to apologize to myself. I had to look in the mirror and accept who I became. And, and, and tell you when you're looking in the mirror and you talk to yourself. When you talk to yourself, you can't lie. You cannot lie to yourself. I don't care who you are, you cannot lie. And I tell people all the time, start off with the simplest phrase, just look in the mirror and go, I love you. Become your own best friend.

[Tyler France]

Love.

[Waylon Revis]

Learn to love yourself in a way that, that you'll, you'll treat yourself, you know, in a way that like you want to be treated. And then after you learn to love that person, you can learn to love other people. Because you can't love another person if you don't know how to love yourself.

[Tyler France]

It's so crazy. Well, you are speak. We talk about this literally at least once a day live. You know, just like you said, the self appreciation in the mirror, the, you know, the realization that I have got to change my life, you know, to strong wives supporting us. Like it, that's what I'm saying. When I, when I heard you and I started seeing interviews from you about a year ago, I was like, this guy is, is like minded, like pretty much every good person out there. I just think that you're, you're a threat to the, to the, I mean, I think you're a threat to the industry because if, if it started, if people like you start growing and popularity and people are like, it's okay to think substance abuse is bad. It's okay to look at myself. Like, it's not about partying, it's not about drinking, it's not about this, it's not about sex. It's about, you know, that and the other hard topics that you, you conquer primarily. You know, I think if it got out there and, and it became counterculture, became real culture, they'd be in trouble.

[Waylon Revis]

It. Thank you. It, it's Kind of nice to know that that could be a possibility for my future. I. I, like, you got to understand, it's hard enough to make it here. And I was. I'm lucky because I got famous before YouTube, before Facebook, before MySpace. All that happened to me before. So, like, I've got this built in fandom that's amazing. But we're underground. And. And George Carlin said it best. There's a club and I'm not invited. Like.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Dude, we. Hey, man, you're talking to the right people.

[Waylon Revis]

And, you know, like, and that's all right because, like, I. I told you on the phone the other day, it's like, I'm taken care of as long as I speak the truth and I speak the message.

[Tyler France]

And I.

[Waylon Revis]

And I. And I, and I. I write for the. For people that are in the dark spots. I write for people that are broken. I write for people that are lost. And I. And when they find me, they're the most beautiful people I've ever met. Like, I, like, my fan base are some of the. Like, they have been through some of the worst situations you could ever imagine. And. But they know that they're in a family here.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That resonates.

[Tyler France]

God, that resonates same.

[Waylon Revis]

Like, everybody knows. Anybody can walk up to me at any one of my shows and they can give me a hug. They can ask for a hug. They can. They can say hello. And I'm not gonna be like, oh, you know, like, I'm not that guy. I'm not. And I know that. And I can see it on people's faces. I remember the first time we made the save a kid shirt. Save a kid. This young lady came up to me and she goes, can I have your shirt? Because I only had one. I didn't have. I wasn't making them. They wasn't at the merch or anything. And I was like, why? She goes, I want to give this to my attacker. I want to wear this when I confront him. I was like, you have? Yeah, I was like, you have that? Because it said, save a kid, kill a pedophile. And she was going after him the next day.

[Tyler France]

All right, so this. This is a killer's confession merch store. I think on the. This is one of yours. I. You can get it from your record labels store too, right?

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah. You get the record from the record label to all the. The Save a Kid and the pain shirts. Like, all that's us. You. Every order comes through the shop. My wife and myself handle like. And that's the thing that they really realize is like. Like, I wonder if I ever made him. You're not realizing you just ordered a short shirt from us and I packed it up.

[Tyler France]

That's actually kind of funny. That's. People don't realize that, you know, it's small business. I mean, your. Your business can be making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. It's still a small business until, you know, and we pack all of our own orders, you know?

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Exactly.

[Tyler France]

Yeah. Yeah. So I just think it's crazy and awesome that you go to a show and you can get merch like this. You know, how many. Like, because we could sell stickers like this, like our YouTube channel, our T shirt companies, all the companies that we have as collectively between us all, we could sell stuff like this, and no one would really bat an eye. They'd be like, this kind of makes sense with them. But going. I just think it. And I'm assuming people like buying that stuff.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, there's. We went out with Static X and Gwar and they. And there's.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

There's a name I haven't heard in a while.

[Waylon Revis]

We went out with them and, like, I just. I. I don't talk on stage. I don't preach. I don't. I let the music speak for itself. We have a song called Purpose, and we usually come out to it, and I just, like, stop and look. Crowd and the song's purpose. Because I'd be given a purpose to talk about this stuff. And that's what the kind of meaning is. And I just got the end of. It's like, we're a killer's confession, and we stand for one thing. Save a kid, kill a pedophile. And the line starts. The whole place erupts every night because people realize. And then they meet us and they talk to us, and they're like, wow, you. It's not just a thing for you. You really mean what you're saying. And I say it. We say what we mean. We mean what we say. And, you know, it's like. And people. People come to it. Then, you know, I have the naysayers. Like, people are always hiding something. I'm like, well, go check my background. You know, I don't care. When you have nothing.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah, I mean, you're not saying anything that I know that these two cops haven't thought or had conversations about.

[Waylon Revis]

I have more cop badges like. Like. Like cards. Like, if I get. If you get in trouble here in Chicago, call me. Like. And I've got so many of those. And I'm Like, I appreciate that.

[Tyler France]

I could have used that 20 years ago, but not now.

[Waylon Revis]

I could use it, but I'm not gonna get in trouble. Like, the worst thing that you're gonna get me, you might get me for a speeding ticket, which I doubt because I'm old. I'm driving. I'm driving a huge 34 foot RV with a trailer. I'm going slow. So, like, I'm. I'm not really about that life, but I get a. The Secret Service has showed up and thank me and. That was awesome. That was awesome.

[Tyler France]

So you're going on tour in about a month, right?

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Dude, you're gonna be here?

[Tyler France]

No. Yeah, we're going to The Orlando show March 1, but he's hitting Fort Pierce.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Is 10 minutes away from me.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Dude, I live in Tampa.

[Tyler France]

Man. You guys are hitting all kinds of crazy.

[Waylon Revis]

Any one of my shows. I'll take care of everything for you guys, man.

[Tyler France]

That is. You guys are so. You're on an rv. Sorry, I don't. I don't have enough experience to move that to the side and put it in front of all of our faces.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Justin. Where's Justin?

[Waylon Revis]

I can back that thing into the needle of an. I have a needle.

[Tyler France]

Does the whole. Does everybody touring with you sleep in there as well or go. I was traveling there.

[Waylon Revis]

We. We only travel as a band. We don't bring any crew. We do it ourselves.

[Tyler France]

Really? That's awesome.

[Waylon Revis]

My wife runs merch. I drive. The guys set it up, then I come up for sound because I'll drive all night. Like, I'm not only the owner and singer and writer of Killer's Confession, I'm a bus driver. My guy will sit there all night with a cup of coffee. And here's the secret. Everybody's like, how you doing? I'm like, I listen to Harry Potter audiobook books.

[Tyler France]

To stay awake.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, I stay awake. I. Harry Potter audio books. That's my. That's my. That's. That's. That's my thing. I love is one of the, you know, small. Like, I've had band members be like, well, where are we going tonight? Because they'll be falling asleep. They're like. They're like, man, this is like story time from kindergarten. Everybody's sitting around the teacher on the carpet with their In Indian style list.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, it's supposed to. You guys are supposed to be sleeping right now. Dude.

[Waylon Revis]

We're all listening to Harry Potter.

[Tyler France]

Oh. What we're gonna do right now is we're gonna take a quick commercial break and we will get into the the more controversial things. That should not be controversial, they should be common sense. 99.9 of the people in the world should agree with all of this, but yet, for some reason, people are afraid to say it. However, Waylon, you are not.

[Waylon Revis]

Nope.

[Tyler France]

We will be right back in about two, two and a half minutes once I get.

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[Tyler France]

My coffee's not nuclear hot, so can.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You guys hear me okay now?

[Tyler France]

Yeah, we can hear you. We lost you for a couple seconds.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah, when if I don't talk for a while, this mic goes, oh, I'm not being used. I'm gonna turn myself off.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

That's what I do.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, well, sometimes I'll lose all audio and then you guys are all having a conversation. I'm like, hey, guys. Hey, guys. Hey, guys. Hey, what's up, man?

[Waylon Revis]

I had to run.

[Tyler France]

I tell everybody that's. That's the time to use the bathroom. These guys are gonna power through it. We'll see if they make it.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm too old for that. We're not gonna have an accident like, Mike.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I've been a rock and roller for way too long, man.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, my God.

[Tyler France]

You guys have a no number two rule on the rv?

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, no number two. And like, that's the worst thing in the world that happened. And it's happened. Like it has happened. Like, I've been on the road in the middle of Utah and there's nowhere to stop, you know?

[Tyler France]

And you're like, oh, guess who. Yes, at the. At the end or mid or halfway, whatever. Guess who's cleaning that I am.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

It's bad enough trying to pee in that damn thing going down the road.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

I'll tell you right now, Tank the dog, he is the road dog. He goes, every.

[Tyler France]

Tank.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, that's. I'm talking about you, puppy. And we used to have a sprinter van that was bunked out. And he crawled up on my guitarist one night and dropped a Cleveland steamer straight on his chest while he was sleeping.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That's awesome.

[Waylon Revis]

But the. The funniest thing to ever happen because Tank was still a puppy and we were still training. He doesn't have accidents now, but the one accident he had on that bus, he laid it on my guitarist, and my bass player looked. And he totaled Joe dirty. Because I got the. Because I'm looking at this whole situation. It's like three in the morning. And he goes. He goes. He goes, I can only think of one thing. I got the poo on me from Joe Dirt. Yeah. And everybody loves Tank, but, man, my guitarist, he, like.

[Tyler France]

He. He.

[Waylon Revis]

He at that time was like, I'm gonna have to look at you a little bit differently now.

[Tyler France]

Relationship. All right. So, yes. Getting into it. I mean, I. I could talk about this for days. I don't see. It's like you said, I have to look at you differently. If you tell me that. And when I say you, I don't mean any of you. I mean, if I'm talking to somebody and they tell me they don't agree with your message, I would have to look at them with a microscope. I'd have to be like, what kind of a human being are you?

[Waylon Revis]

It's a shame, too, because everybody's like, why. Why such an ugly message? And I'm like, well, it's an ugly situation. And the only way that you can draw true attention to it is by saying something equally or greater. That's. Equally or greater uglier. You know, it's like a meaner message to draw to it.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

But. But here's the thing. Your message. I mean, a lot of people will be like, well, you know, you can't do that. That's violence. And it's like, well, isn't the act violent?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Well, don't we have to react to violence with greater violence to stop it? Is that the way the world works?

[Tyler France]

Unfortunately, that is a very, very evil violence that cannot be tolerated, cannot be negotiated with a. There's no.

[Waylon Revis]

There's no cure for it. Like, there.

[Tyler France]

There.

[Waylon Revis]

Dead pedos don't reoffend. Like. But, like. Like one that goes, love that Put.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

It on a shirt, bro.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, he's got, he's got a whole.

[Tyler France]

Merch store full of it.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I'mma buy some.

[Tyler France]

Thank you. I put the link, I put the link to the merch store in a pinned comment so you guys can go buy some merch.

[Waylon Revis]

Here's the truth of it. You know that they, they, they go in there, there's no rehabilitation, there's none of that. And they're gonna go out there and they're still gonna be attracted. There's something mentally wrong with these people because if you can look at a baby and, and be attracted that something is wrong with you. You are not like the rest of us. And you know, you're, you're more, more or less a stain on the human existence. You know, you don't need to be here because and, and parents and, and people, you just need to understand that like little ones can get on your nerves. They can go out there and do dumb stuff, they can mess up your yard, but same time they're innocent. Don't be be a part of the reason why they get to keep their incidents because life's going to catch up to them soon enough and reality is going to hit and it's going to get hard just like it does to the rest of them. But let those little ones have it. Let them stay innocent and let them have imaginations and let them have a childhood because that's over.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

So much. With your messages I, I was transferred to the sex offender unit as a deputy once and I had to go out and do the checks and go out and meet with them and where you're, you're, your solution to them is much better than the court system is. A lot of time those cases plea out because they don't want to put a three or four year old girl on the stand and have her drug to court. So these guys plea out and know what happens. They plea out to lesser charges. And then when I used to go check on them, I would read what they did, but they weren't charged accordingly. And they would talk and run their mouth like oh, this was all made or this, you know, they would just say the nastiest things and you're standing there as a cop and I just want to, I want to break their neck. And I'm looking at these guys like how can you have done what I know you did? But because they didn't want to put a three year old girl in the stand, you got away and got it pled down to another charge and now you get to walk around amongst us instead of being a predator, there may be just an offender which is less of a charge. And there is no cure. Those guys need to be terminated. There's no cure for it. It is the most heinous crime you can commit against any person, any victim. And I couldn't agree more with your message.

[Waylon Revis]

Thank you. And, you know, it's like, I. Like, it's hard, you know, it. It's like, it's hard to. To, like, try to justify violence with violence. But like, you. What you're in, you gotta understand, once you're in and you see them, get away with it and get six months of probation.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Waylon Revis]

That's not gonna. Six months is not going to fix what happened to this child. Like, it is eye for an eye in this situation. Like. Like I said, they're babies and they're. And you just took the most purest thing, the only pure thing on this planet is. Is a child's innocence. And just. And just wipe the floor with it. You're not. You're not good enough to breathe the air.

[Tyler France]

I'm.

[Waylon Revis]

I'm in the same room with me.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I agree. I agree.

[Tyler France]

Yeah. I think that people don't understand because naturally. And I call them sheep, but I don't mean it. They are the people that exist. They watch the tv, they live and leave it to Beaverville. In their mind, there's no. There's no wrong in the world. And they might know it, but they're. They're never going to accept it or. Or anything. And they couldn't fathom that someone could do that to a baby.

[Waylon Revis]

No.

[Tyler France]

They're like, what? And you're like, yes, I. I disagree with you.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I. I disagree with you, Tyler. I don't think it's that they can't fathom. It's that they don't want to imagine that. They just don't want to.

[Tyler France]

But when you tell someone this case, like the. The singer for that band that was just recently. I think he got. He got killed in prison. What's his name? Lost profits.

[Waylon Revis]

Lost profits.

[Tyler France]

Good.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Good.

[Waylon Revis]

Most disgusting thing ever.

[Tyler France]

And metal culture was covering it. You know, it's not. It's not. It. They're. I don't think metal cultures typically run through that rig like that ringer of wow. And people were like, dope babies.

[Waylon Revis]

Like babies like 6 months old. Like, what's wrong with you? Like, dude, get lobotomized, this man. And castrate.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And when you talk PTSD and stuff for. You know, we talk about that in law enforcement. Those are the ones. I can't forget any of those cases. I went to any of those situations and had to go. Listen to you. Don't forget what some evil human being did to a child. It never goes out of your head. The thought of it. The way you want to just strangle that person in front of you is like you have to control yourself. And those calls never leave your head. And.

[Tyler France]

And.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And it is a terrible act.

[Waylon Revis]

And I'll tell you the truth. During that time, me and Tequila became a very, very, very good friends. Like, I'd have to go home because I'd get paid. First thing that happened. I'd get paperwork, and I'd have to read this paperwork because, A, I needed to know what happened to the child. B, I need to know what triggered this child. And most time, and they were female, so, like, I'm a male, so, like, I'm in a more awkward position because they're scared of me, you know? And I'd read it, and just like, the stuff I would read and the stuff, they would open up and when. When they would get comfortable enough to talk to me about it, and they. They would. Because, like, I became more of a f. Father figure because I realized real quick what these children need was love. They didn't need science. They didn't need. They needed a human to actually care about them. That was like the missing element with all. All of them was love. And love is a very, very, very powerful, powerful thing. And they would open up to me and tell me. And when they. I. I'd go home at night and drink a fifth just to go to sleep. Because, I mean, nightmares. Nightmares. Because, like, I would relive it through their shoes.

[Tyler France]

Like, once.

[Waylon Revis]

You, like. There's no horror movie that's that scary.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

No, it's.

[Tyler France]

It's. No. And you're right. The trust. The trust. They have to have trust in order to get the love. They're not going to open up to the love until they can have the trust. Love.

[Waylon Revis]

And. And you know, that's. It's the easiest thing to do. Love is. The love is. Is natural. Empathy is natural. Like, just have it, like, understand that you are not the center of the universe.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Here's the thing, though, Waylon. The. The people that do this stuff, they predate on that, and they survive because of the very thing that you're taking.

[Tyler France]

Talking about.

[Waylon Revis]

We have empathy.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

We want to be empathetic. We want to. To. To try and understand and to be forgiving, but we have to As a society draw a line and go, hey man, if you cross this line, it's death. No question about it. Get the wood chipper.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, get the wood chippers.

[Tyler France]

Right.

[Waylon Revis]

Because like there's never going like it's a, it's a cycle. Predators harm a victim and a lot of the time the victim becomes the predator. It's, it's just a vicious cycle and you have to stop it at some point.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

It's uncurable. It's uncurable.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

And if, if I feel like if there's executions and if there is like they start seeing that, there's gonna be no tolerance. You're not gonna sit in prison on taxpayer dime and have. If there's 100% you're guilty DNA evidence. No, you don't get. You go straight outside and 22 cent bullet, like 22 cents. It's not even.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Couldn't agree more, couldn't agree more.

[Waylon Revis]

You know, and once they see that they might be like, you know, like try to pull off like their addiction because it is an addiction. They're. They're addicted to what they're doing and maybe it can like do something to where we can get a hold on it because like it's just something that's never going to go away.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So have you, have you engaged with the, the other side that is, you know, minor attracted persons and all that? Have you engaged with those people?

[Waylon Revis]

Bats for maps. That's all I got to say.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I. I just want to know, I mean like, have you ever been like, you know, like in a room talking to this person? They genuinely believe this and be like, bro, I genuinely believe you need to go into a window.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I'm not gonna be in that long very room.

[Tyler France]

I would never naturally people kind of.

[Waylon Revis]

Like straight like I've had a couple predators approach me. I was on the, this last tour I was on with Dogma and I was driving the middle of the night in a trucker. Cuts me off. Like I'm trying to go into a, a gas station to fill up. You know, I was going into a loves and I was coming off and, and we were, we were in pa, I think or, or Jersey. We were like, we were somewhere in the northeast. And I pull off and this trucker, I mean seriously like about runs me off the road. Almost runs me off the road and, and wakes my wife up. My wife's in, in the bed sleeping and I pull over and I fill up in gas and she's like, she knows something happened because like I don't drive Erratically, like, everybody gets to sleep while I'm driving you to listen to Harry Potter and you sleep like that's. That's what it goes down to. I get out and I fill up. And this. This older gentleman. I won't even call him a gentleman, because I don't think he was that. He comes up and he goes, that's a mighty bold statement on the back of your trailer. Because it says it straight on. Back of my trailer. You'll find.

[Tyler France]

No way you have it on the trailer.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, yeah. I get people honking, thumbs up, metal horns. Like, people like, we.

[Tyler France]

You.

[Waylon Revis]

We're driving the street, we're saying what we. We say every day. It says, right on the back of my trailer, save a kid, kill a pedophile. Straight on the back. He comes up and he was like, that's a mighty bold statement on the back of your trailer. And I looked at him, and I was just like, oh, this is gonna go two ways, you know, Like, I knew. I was like, and we mean every word.

[Tyler France]

And he.

[Waylon Revis]

And I took a step towards him, he took a step back. I knew at that moment what I was dealing with. I said, you got a problem with it? And he. He. And I took another step. He took another step back. And this is the guy that had tried to run me off the road. And I was just like. I was just like, come get it. You know, it's like, test me. I'm sorry. I'll say it. I'll take my three hots in the cotton. You know, I'll take out. Yeah, I don't care. You know, it's like, I know I'll be doing the world a favor, man.

[Tyler France]

That's crazy. So when I was listening to the story, I thought. For some reason, I thought it was, like, accidental that he cut you off because he was a shitty driver, but he was. He was looking for that smoke.

[Waylon Revis]

He was looking for that smoking.

[Tyler France]

He.

[Waylon Revis]

And I think that he just thought that maybe that I was somebody that likes to run my mouth, question me. I've got. I've got grandchildren. I've got daughters. Touch one of them. I dare you. I don't like me. And the Lord will deal with that in the afterlife.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah.

[Tyler France]

And you said something. You were like, you know, it is like. People are like, how can you say that? And you're like, yeah, we're going a little bit extreme, but you can't just sit there and say, pedophilia is bad. That's not harsh. It's not harsh enough. And you spoke when we talked about briefly, you were like, you know, I'm not saying false accusations, we're talking convictions. And the beautiful thing about law enforcement is that sexual offenses, they. Because there's always no DNA because the victims don't always say something right away. Michael probably know a little bit more about this. He was in investigations for like two decades. But you can, I'm not trying to aid you, dude.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I'm saying the first pedophile case, the very first pedophile case.

[Tyler France]

But they can use cases as evidence of, you know, you could. If you've got three people saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, if you got three people saying this guy did this, that's actual, that's actually be able to use as, as, like if you committed a burglary, you couldn't use an accusation from five years ago to say you probably burglarized this place.

[Waylon Revis]

That's not.

[Tyler France]

But in courts they allow. Due to the lack of DNA and lack of evidence. They allow.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah, they'll put them together. I've worked some cases with that where similar, where you know, grandfather, you know, should be shot in the head, but, you know, molest a grandchild and it happens over like two, three summers. And then they put the, you know, they finally come forward. There's no physical evidence, but they allow that. They can, you know, they use, like we can confirm that they stayed at the grandparents house that weekend was an incident where the child remembered a specific something that happened. So it allows them to corroborate the story and become evidence where it's not hearsay, it's actually allowed into court because it's verified. Because most of these cases, you're right, there's no DNA.

[Tyler France]

Most, no.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Most victims don't come forward the first time something happens. They're confused, they're, they're distraught. Their life has been flipped upside down. They don't understand why a person that supposedly cares about them has done this terrible thing to them. And it goes on unfortunately for a long time. So they do allow some other ways to present evidence in these cases.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, it's just, it's just sad that we have to have teams that do this. Like, let's just be honest here. Like I, I don't know where it started. I wish it could end. But you know, it, it's, it's, it's sorry that, that like people are afraid to come forward like when it's happened to them. And it, and here's the scary part. They're children, they're scared of The. The boogeyman under their bed, you know, and I meet kids all the time and with the mask and, and that's the last thing I ever want to do is scare a child like it. I do not want you to have nightmares over what I do. And one kid came. Came to the show and, and he knew the music and. Because if you listen to music and then you see it, it's two different things. The music is. You know what it is, but when you see it, it's like, oh, no. And I could see the terror in this child's face. And this just tells you how I feel about it. I was like, nope, you are not going to have nightmares to your 13 about this mask. And he, he probably five or six years old, front row, singing the words and terrified. Look at me. And so I took the mask and I pulled it up and pulled it back. I have never, never seen a bigger smile on that child's face. Comes to the merch booth and Lord, my wife has to hold me back because I will give him everything. Like, what do you want? You know, Santa, at this point, and the child looks at me and he goes, I figured you out. And I'm like, you did? And he goes, you're the boogeyman's boogeyman.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

It's a good way of putting it.

[Tyler France]

Man's boogeyman.

[Waylon Revis]

I'm the boogeyman's book. It just. It sits with me. But on with that right there. Most children have irrational fears. You know, the.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

The.

[Waylon Revis]

Their fear is irrational because they, they. The monsters and stuff like that. But when they have a predator, they have a real monster. And if they have and they, and they do, they prey on that fear of that child never telling because they're going to do this and they get that irrational. Like, if I do this, he's gonna hurt my parents or he's gonna hurt my brother, hurt my sister.

[Tyler France]

It's, it's. I mean, we all know it's. It's very, very typically. It's someone very close to the child that has access.

[Waylon Revis]

God, it blows my mind because I just became a grandparent last year. And my little grandbaby, he is the. The sweetest, most innocent. I forgot, you know, because I had my children young, so like, I was still a baby when I had, When I. I had babies. And this. Now that I'm in my older years, I'm not old yet, but I'm in my.

[Tyler France]

My.

[Waylon Revis]

I'm getting there. I pick him up and he's just the most precious thing in the world. And I look at him and I'm like. And I think about what I do and what I say, and I look at him and I'm just like, how could anybody ever hurt something like this? You are this thing in the world.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You know, the other. The other problem, too, is that even some of the victims will come forward to other family members or to their parents, and. And the parents will be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop. Because it's their brother or their half brother or their, you know, whatever. And I mean, that's. That's also part of the problem too. So what. What.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

They both go in the wood chipper?

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah. Like, I have no toleration for it. I don't care. I don't care who you are. I don't care if I don't care. What's your stance in life, who you are to me? What do you think if. If a child comes and says something like this right here, we're gonna be looking into it and we're gonna. And we're gonna find out the truth. Because it don't matter who you are.

[Tyler France]

I don't care, dude. And kids are often. Kids that are exploited like, that are very, very quickly will turn into offenders themselves at very young ages. So they're sexually molesting kids younger than them that they are able to. You can call it. You can call it unconsciously or not really know, but they're able to pre. Be a predator. Just someone smaller than them.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes.

[Tyler France]

And that's that cycle. And we were talking about. We all talk about, you know, you lock up, like, really lock up or kill, depending on how you look at it. You take away an offender off the street, you statistically save six children that that guy would have in his lifetime molested.

[Waylon Revis]

Exactly. Like they. They hurt children younger than them in the facility. We'd had that happening all the time.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

There's the other thing that happens too, Whelen, and that's where somebody that had this happen to them goes in the opposite direction and tries to become Batman and tries to make themselves bigger and stronger and. And do everything that they need to do to be a person that protects other people. There is the opposite to that, too.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

And you're right. But 90, 95 of the time, those kids would do it to younger kids in the facility.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

They would pray on the week and the ones that were smaller, and we would have to deal with that at night, like, during the act. Like, it. These are things I cannot forget. When you see a Child raping a child because they were raped.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

These are the things I have nightmares about.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah. And it creates a. It's an ongoing problem. That's why, like you said, get rid of them from the. Getting rid of the source. If enough source sources get eliminated, there won't be child victims to be then a victim, you know, an aggressor on another child. You have to stop it somewhere. And there is no rehabilitation. There is no coming back from it. There is no place you can go to undo your brain when you have this capability inside you. It's not. It's not fixable. Death. It's death. I agree. Well, I couldn't agree on anything more on earth than that.

[Waylon Revis]

It has to be.

[Tyler France]

They here, here in Florida, they try to make them all live with each.

[Waylon Revis]

Other and unity that trailer park. Yeah, I've heard about that firebomb that coral for a while during COVID So like I, I had my. But you know, I like Florida's stance on that. The, the. I. I think that you have some amazing police officers down there. You, you know, they don't have tolerance for any of that. But they definitely. I've read about that community that it's all predators. This is like, man, somebody just go in there with a Molotov.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I don't realize how many and how much it. How bad. Like I just.

[Tyler France]

Oh my God. It's insane.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

It's amazing.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

My county has 130000 people. 130, 140, 000 people. There's 211 offenders in this county. 211. I mean that's one. That's 15 for every 10, 000 people. It's a sex offender. Sounds small, but when the victims are children, that's. That's huge. That's huge. That's just reported. Documented. And so that's one.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That's one and a half percent. Let's be real about what you just said. That's the math. One and a half percent of the population. Now, based on what you're saying, the empirical evidence suggests that it is getting bigger because we're allowing it to continue.

[Tyler France]

Yes.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So what will it be in 10 or 15, 20 years?

[Tyler France]

Because they've always been there. They've always been that small fraction. But you know, when we were kids running around, they were. They were shunned to know that that's wrong. Like if I go out and I talk to kids, there's going to be 12 adults out here going, why are you talking to this kid? Like, is it your Kid, do you know these kids? You know, and now in today's world, we're calling them minor attracted people. We're allowing them to come out now. So it's not like there's more of them. There's the same amount, I would think per capita of regular people. But now they're not shamed anymore. The least we could do is shame them and threaten them with, you know, death sentences, lifetime in prison, something.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

But we're to Waylon's point and Waylon, correct me if I'm wrong here, you're basically saying like threats are not enough. Like, yeah, like threats aren't enough. It has to be backed up with action. Like, we've got to get to the point where we as a society, not vigilantism, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but we as a society go, we're not going to put up with this and we're going to deal with it violently and rapidly.

[Waylon Revis]

There you've just, you've just stated my exact point. I am not telling anybody to be a vigilante. I'm not telling anybody to, to go out and do this themselves. I want, I want us as people to come together with our lawmakers. Lawmaker, I, I want and make this law because if we put fear in them through law, like we're going to do this and this, this is the punishment does not change once you're convicted. This is the punishment. You're done. That will change because that's what it really boils down to. Because you cannot put it on a person to take and do such a horrible act. And like then they have to carry the burden of what they did. Monster to be to attack monsters.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Cook Mike. Cook Mike.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And here's the thing. So here's the silly things that go on the ballot. We got marijuana. Does the society want marijuana? Does society want sports, gambling? Why don't we put society, does society want to kill pedophiles the second they're convicted? Convicted. I bet you'd have about a 95 pass rate on that, that, that law. And then we could easily say it's not lawmakers that made that law. It's not just an idea. The people of the state of X were polled and voted that this is the outcome. Put that on the books. Put that law in the books right away and say 95 of the state, whatever it is, voted yes. And then put start accident, you're convicted, you walk right out of the courtroom and off you go.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Here's the problem, though. Oh, I'm Sorry, Waylon, go ahead.

[Waylon Revis]

Anybody under 12 can get the death penalty now for they can, but it's just drawn.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

You know how it goes, man. It's 25 years till they go.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

There's so much obfuscation when it comes to this. There it is.

[Tyler France]

There's the word of the day.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

There it is.

[Waylon Revis]

I didn't know, guys.

[Tyler France]

I thought you would know what obfuscation means. What's it mean?

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Obfuscation? It means they're purposely obscuring the subject.

[Tyler France]

Okay, okay.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So there's so much when, when you, if we go with Mike's point of view, like, okay, so we take Whelan's thought process, which we all think by the way, and we go, okay, we're gonna put this on the ballot here in Florida. There's going to be so many people trying to go, well, you know, the criminal justice system isn't good and you know, it would have to be this. And, and, and do you really just want to kill people? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I want them dead. I want them dead now. I want to protect my kids from them. I want the state to do it when they're convicted so I don't have to do it when the dudes in my 11 year old daughter's bedroom. That's what I want do that.

[Waylon Revis]

Sorry. You don't have to apologize. That's the thing. You should not have to apologize by feeling that you want to protect your child. You shouldn't feel sorry. You shouldn't be be fearful that you're going to get a letter saying that you are promoting hate speech. That you shouldn't be scared. Yeah. That you know, because you took up the armor and want to protect children. That you're going to be canceled and you're not going to be making a living for your family. You shouldn't have that fear. And that's the problem. They are taking away our first amendment right by not. By making you afraid to speak.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Especially on something that's so, it's so common sense. Yeah. It's so simple. It's so simple. It's not drugs. And you know, they could have broken.

[Tyler France]

You're right. You're right. It's not even most of this the political. Everybody argues about it. There's always. Yes. There's always two sides. Everything. Two minds.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah. There's no side to this one.

[Tyler France]

There's only one thing that everybody should be like, yes, protect the most innocent thing closest to God you can.

[Waylon Revis]

They are the purest thing on the planet. Them and puppies and kittens, you know?

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah. I mean, I mean, if, if. I mean, here's the thing. Like, we got a whole series of movies about somebody killed some former assassin's puppy dog, and he went on a murder spree. And we were all like, yeah, that makes sense.

[Tyler France]

But, yeah, we can get behind it for John Wick, but we can't get behind it.

[Waylon Revis]

John Wick's good music.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Me.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Don't kill his dog. Don't kill his dog, man.

[Waylon Revis]

That's the thing is like, that's what. When we speak that, that's what. That's the real meaning behind it is like, get this to the highest level of law where, you know, it is handled in a way, because nobody should be a vigilante. Nobody, nobody, nobody should have that burden of like, I have to do what a society won't. Won't do in a hole. You know, it's like, this is a societal thing. You know, this is a moral standpoint. You stand here and you don't budge. Be like, this is off limits. You know, they say spare the rod, spoil the child. Well, this is the time we don't spare the damn rod. You know, the rod's got to come down hard, it's got to come down fast. And they got to know, like, there are severe consequences for crossing this line.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Like you said.

[Tyler France]

No, no, no, go ahead.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I was just gonna say, like you said, though, when we're gonna. We. We have to make sure, though, when we take this extreme measure that the court system obviously is flawless when it comes to this. At the end. We can't have. All right, I'm gonna set this guy.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Gotta get the four year old on the stand.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Gotta be. Yeah, it's got to be like, hey, this is gonna be a unique type of trial and situation because the outcome is going to be the end of someone's life.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And there has to be streamlined and processed in a right. In the right way that makes sure that, like you mentioned, DNA. If it's DNA, you're done. I don't care what anybody says, DNA, you're done. Off you go. If it's not. If it's circumstantial evidence and it has to be done more thoroughly or in a different type of investigation. We have to make sure we get it right. But it doesn't take 25 years of appeals to get that right. It takes about a good six months of like, making sure. Double check, triple check, gone in, buddy, off you go. You're dead. So it definitely has to be done. Right. It's just not, bang, dead. But I mean, it can be done.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Here's the thing, Mike. I mean, and there is no precedence for this in our legal system, but there is precedence for it within the academic community. If I write a paper about the Spartans, for example, I get that reviewed by my peers. So you could have a court case where we go, hey, here's the evidence, here's the trial of the peers. Okay, cool. Hey, let's hand this off. We're going to basically play the same thing for three other people. We're not going to add anything. It's, it's, it's just, it's literally going to be, hey, this week it's this jury, the next week it's this jury. The next week it's this jury. We play it up there, same judge, bang. And we go, okay, three times, three different juries, same outcome. Off you go to the wood chipper, off you go. And then we televise it.

[Tyler France]

That's that shaming that, that's that public shaming that we have to do.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

You know, hey, Heather brings a good point there about the fact that we have vigilante groups. Heather makes a lot of sense. There's vigilante groups out there on YouTube and on that are doing this instead of cops. And you'll see a lot of those vigilante guys get turned away by the cops when they have the evidence in their possession and say, hey, this dude's meeting here, here to meet a 15 year old kid. And the cops are like, oh, God, that sounds like a lot of work.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I mean, JD Delay talks about this all the time.

[Waylon Revis]

JD's good, he's good people. Like, I, I watch him from the, Everybody's like, why don't you team up with. I don't team up with anybody. You know, that's the first thing I, But I watch from this, from the sidelines being like, you're, you're doing, you're doing good work here. You're doing really good work. Because he, he's straight up about it. Because, like, we could take guys like that that are in prison already, okay? Like, take the meanest, the baddest, the ones that are never getting out. We build a, we build a couple rooms or built like a Sheridan. Be like, all right, once a week you're going to go into the pit and we're going to release every predator.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I mean, Colt, Colt says feed them to the gators. I disagree with that because I don't want gators getting a taste for human flesh. Because then they'll. They'll become kind of, you know, aggressive puppies.

[Tyler France]

Yeah. Jimmy's looking at it literally. That's not. That is not a good tactic to get rid of them.

[Waylon Revis]

But you take the meat never getting out and be like, you're never getting out, but you're going to do a public service once a week. And, and we make a gladiator thing where they go into. Yes, but make Thunderdome and televise it and be like, all right, we'll send you to prison. We're gonna. We're gonna feed you to these guys. And they're the.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I, I, I saw a really great meme where it was like, hey, will let illegal aliens stay if they will? You know, but they have to be in a Thunderdome against pedophiles. We'll call it Aliens versus Predators.

[Tyler France]

Oh, my God. Oh, I missed that one. That's funny.

[Waylon Revis]

You know, all fun and all. I mean, there's so many ideas of what we could do, but in reality, we have to put this into law. And, and, and that's the thing. We, we live in America.

[Tyler France]

We live.

[Waylon Revis]

We live in the land of the free, the home of the brave, but everything we do is governed under our laws. And, and we're, as a society, we got to abide by them laws to have a functional society. This is one of those situations. This must go through that and go through that process to where we have this in. In cl.

[Tyler France]

Like, it.

[Waylon Revis]

It. And make it so watertight, like, there's no way slipping through it, you know? But, like, like you said, there's so many, like, appeals and stuff, like, and it has to be done right, and it's going to be the hardest thing in the world to do, but it's the right thing to do. And anything hard in this world to do, right. In this world to do is hard. It's going to be a hard situation. It's going to be hard, accomplished.

[Tyler France]

It gets very, very muddy. Because the way, I mean, listen, all of our grandfathers, the things they said about what we call the LBG LGBTQ community, right? Every. We're all pretty much alphabetical. We're fine with it. It doesn't bother us. We're like, hey, you know, do your thing. But the things they said about them. So then you get. The more. Then you dive. You go from there to the transgender community, right? And that's where everybody is getting like, hey, we're getting split down the middle on that one. Hey, you know, you get them, you know, bathrooms for everybody. Then you're like, what if my daughter's in there and some guy thinks that he's. He's a chick, wants to go use the bathroom and then half the world's telling you, well, then you have to accept that. And here's where the pedophiles slide in. They. They somehow have managed to get their way. What do they call that? Piggybacking in the door real quick before the bouncer can close it. So now we're calling them. When I say we're not us, but society has now made them minor attracted children. And they're being put under that. And it's so crazy. And I think that's why people feel obligated to be like, well, you can't say that about them. Like, yes, you can.

[Waylon Revis]

Well, that's the thing. It's like you got to understand sticks and stones, people. I have freedom of speech. You better be willing to take it because I gotta be willing to take whatever it comes.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

No, no, Waylon, you don't have love in your heart for these people who already had bad things happen to them. And, and you just need to understand them better. And if you were. I'm being Tyler right now.

[Waylon Revis]

It's like we're in America. I was. As long as you are an adult, I'll accept you for anything. You are because you're an American.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You are an American.

[Waylon Revis]

It is your freedom to be and live your best life. The what makes you happy. The pursuit of happiness. I fight for you for that. But if you're under 18. Leave them alone. Leave them children alone. Let them. If you want to be weird and get weird in your adult life, as long as you don't. You don't hurt children, that's okay. What you do in behind the closed doors is your business. It's none of mine.

[Tyler France]

Yep.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

But the fact is, and to be clear, you're not talking about the 18 year old that's dating his 17 year old high school.

[Waylon Revis]

That is the worst. That is the worst predator known to man. His mama got mad and they were. They started dating when he was 15 and she was 13. And then they. And they.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You know what?

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I've. Unfortunately, you know what I've seen. And that's where I fault the prosecutors. They'll jump all over those cases because they're easy, smashed, smash some poor 18 year old kid who. The girl lied about her age and she's really 16 instead of 17. And just watch them go over the top on some case like that instead of having some type of task force that targets the real, real criminals. Take the layup. Yep, they take the layups.

[Tyler France]

You get a script or to them, hey, we just incarcerated a child predator. Yeah, he got one and it's like that was the wrong guy dude. That was just an easy layup you took instead of actually working to get the real child.

[Waylon Revis]

An 18 year old young man. That's not a man, that's still a child. You're still growing up to your 25. Like when I was 25, 35, it took me to 40 to be, to be a grown up. You know in reality an 18 year old is just a child still like that's still a child like and you know they got a 17 year old girlfriend and mom and dad wouldn't have it.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yep. I've seen it happen many times and it's the worst to watch this poor kid go down.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

And then knowing we have real criminals and real predators in the, in, in the, in the county and it's like well that might be too difficult to that case or this is going to take a lot of work. And it's like these guys, man, like it's a shame, it's a shame that we don't go after that, that it sounds cool and they use the bud word buzzwords and all the agencies do. But it's still under investigated and under, under prosecuted.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes it is. But this is the hard part about it. It's, it's a fight that you know, I've just used my platform to bring awareness that and I'll be honest with you, but it's a start. It's going to be a long process because of lawmakers and, and people fighting it. But it's got to be taken more seriously. Like let's just boil it down. This is something that, that has to be addressed no matter how. And I think people don't address it because of how ugly it is. Like nobody wants to have a hearing about this because yeah, it's really hard.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

To have this kind of conversation in the, the, the, the you know, city council meeting with all the buttoned up Karens that should be at PTA meetings and be like we need to talk about the, the child predator laws and how we're gonna deal with this. And they're gonna be like well we would really like to talk about how we can get you know, the timeout booths in, in the school. It's like shut the up. I want to kill pedophiles. That's what I want.

[Waylon Revis]

It's like, it's like do I Physically want to do it? Yes, but I think it, but it has to be done in a certain way.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Right.

[Tyler France]

The tribe has to get together and develop the contract of how would we, how would we punish the most heinous crime imaginable, Someone that committed the most heinous crime imaginable and that, that's what has to be done. You look at biblical times, they killed everybody because they didn't, they didn't have the. Now the argument is they didn't have the ability to incarcerate people. So it's like, you can't be amongst us. So this is our only option now that in modern days we have incarceration. Yeah. A logical person could sit there and argue, absolutely. It might not be death penalty. That's their opinion. But the common theme should be, but yes, out. Definitely out of our society. So they need to be incarcerated for life. Not in a, not in a home or a community where they can sit there and plan with like minded men and go, hey, you want to know how I did it last week and didn't get caught? Here's 27 people taking notes because they all live with each other.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah. Chemical castration would be a good start too. Like, let's take the ability away. Like, let's just, let's just throw them all to units.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I don't think that's a, I don't think it's a strong enough deterrent.

[Waylon Revis]

Well, yeah, it's not, but like we, it'd be a definite start. Take away their weapon.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Well, you know, I mean, if we want to go biblical on this, a, a daughter that's still in my home biblically falls under my protection, which means any, any crime done to her was basically done to me. Which means that under the law I have the right to, to meet out justice to the person that did that. So in my opinion, it should, it should be. If you want to go biblical on it, it should be, oh, we proved you raped that, that guy's daughter. He gets to kill you with a sword. That's how that's going down.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, who was the dad that did that? Like he, his son.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

We were talking about it in the chat. I can't remember.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

I've seen a video of it last night. Funny enough, like, it pops it like all this stuff pops up my feelings. He's sitting there on the phone, he turns around, boom, done.

[Tyler France]

He didn't guess what he got. What do you get, like six months probation.

[Waylon Revis]

Yep.

[Tyler France]

That was when we were right in society at that point, you know, he.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Was playing, fighting today, he'd get 20 or 20 to life.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah.

[Tyler France]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

The UFC fighter got, like, five years for shooting at the guy that. The person that.

[Waylon Revis]

Kane. Kane. Velasquez.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah, Velasquez. Yeah, the MMA fighter.

[Tyler France]

He's in prison.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

God bless him. I hope. I hope that when he gets out that he.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Trump's talking about trying to get him.

[Waylon Revis]

Out, and I hope he's blessed every day for the rest of his life. I hope. I hope that. That everything goes right. Every decision's right, and he is blessed every day. But for, like, to take up the mantle and do that, I hope Kane is just, like, he gets out and everything goes right for him.

[Tyler France]

I do.

[Waylon Revis]

Because in a lot of those situations, they get out and they hit on hard times, you know, because, like, they do have a. A charge and it's violent and. But, like, people don't really realize, like, look, what. What. Okay, I see a violent offender, but look what.

[Tyler France]

Look, what.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I can tell you for a fact that he'll be welcomed in the trades. You know, construction workers, they'll love him.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, yes. But you know what I mean? I just. I pray for him to have be blessed every day. Every day. Like, he took up the mantle, He. He said, nope, not in my family. You're not doing this.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That. That's an interesting point you. You make, Waylon. You know, you talk.

[Tyler France]

You've.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You've talked about the Lord, You've talked about the mantle several times.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

Where.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Where does your faith stand on this?

[Waylon Revis]

Where's my faith stand on this? My faith tells me to speak on it. My faith.

[Tyler France]

Amen.

[Waylon Revis]

And my faith also says, this is between me and you.

[Tyler France]

When.

[Waylon Revis]

We'll discuss this when you get home.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah, Roger that.

[Tyler France]

Yeah. You've taken your passion and your skill and you've turned it into something that's not about you. That's about another message. That's amazing.

[Waylon Revis]

Here's.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Here's the other part of that, too, is that you also have. Have in. You know, you've said several times, like, if it was my kid, if it was my grandbaby, I would do this. That's a biblical mantle, too, right? You've taken the ownership of the. The head of the household. It's my job to provide for and protect the. This household, which means that I have to then also mete out justice to people who have done this, or at the very least, be a proactive protector within the family. Is that fair?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, that's very. That's very fair. I. I told you I Pray for everything I do. I pray every day. And you know, my faith, I've always held it close to me. And I'm not a preacher. I'm not. But what I. What I know between my. My relationship personally is I just do what he tells me and he points me in the right direction. And when I'm in the. On the right. When I'm on the right path, I'm taken care of. That's all I can say on it. That's.

[Tyler France]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

And if I go off of that, if I leave that direction, things aren't as good things.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Fair enough. Boy, I've been there.

[Tyler France]

So what's. Oh, go ahead.

[Waylon Revis]

No, go ahead.

[Tyler France]

I was gonna ask. So this in your career. I mean, it's your business, it's your career. That's the way our show looks at everything. You know, we break it down and. But your band, your business, your career, you know? In what ways? Do you have any stories or. Or not specifics, but just ways to explain how being outspoken has really impacted them? Stopping your message?

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That's a fantastic question.

[Waylon Revis]

I just don't get things. I'm. I'm tucked in the algorithm. Y' all know what I'm talking about. Like I said, there's a club, and I'm not part of it, and that's okay. I. I don't need to be a part of it. I. I, like. I don't want to be a part of an agenda that I don't agree with. And. And there is an agenda out there that I don't agree with. I want to. I want to. When I die and I pass on and I. People find my body of work, that message lives on. That's what this is about. This ain't about me as a person. This is about what I'm saying. This is about protect the children. This is. And it's like if. If I don't read superstardom. Oh, well, it.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

It is what it is.

[Waylon Revis]

But I left something there that's. That's meaningful, and it's not a fad. It's not gonna. Through the time, the message will stay the same, and it won't be like, what? That's ridiculous. You know, like you. You come across some stupid hook that is part of today's slang, which I'll call idiocracy. You know, it's like you can't even understand it anymore, but there's some substance there. And even if. Even when I'm gone and I'm not doing this anymore, that message still is ironclad. And it's still a good message. And that's all I'm after. That's all.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Can we. Can we at least put, like, make them wear, like, little signs that say map on them? Like, make them. Make them self identify.

[Waylon Revis]

Make himself identify. That. That's the funny part. You know, it's like they. They'll be. They'll be the first ones to protest you. They. They will. They'll. They'll. They will use you as a mirror and be like, there they are. There they are. And they will put blame everywhere else but where it belongs.

[Tyler France]

No, you should do is. You should. I guess you probably. You're. You're not in charge of this part, but I was gonna say tell the promoter. Also promote this as a map. Friendly get together. That's our. That's our Thunderdome right there.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, you know what's funny? I can tell.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Mosh pit go.

[Waylon Revis]

When there's predators in the crowd.

[Tyler France]

Really?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes. It's very simple. And the guys. The guys who work with me will tell you the same. We know as soon as. As soon as the message starts coming out during the show. Because it comes out.

[Tyler France]

Yes.

[Waylon Revis]

It gets kind of weird. Like, you just get that, you know, and you. And I. And I tell them. I was like, if you don't believe in what I'm saying, there's a door. You better get out before I find you. That's the end of it. Like, we do not play about that. And like, my bass player, jp, he's been with me the whole AKC ride. And we. I'm not gonna say the city because I don't, like. I don't want to shame a city in particular because of it, but we were in a certain, certain place. We play there all the time, and we did our normal thing. And one night I was on stage and I said, art my spiel about it, and he got weird. You know, it's like you just kind of seen people looking left and right, you know, it's like. I'm like, all right, which one of you did it? You know, And I said it on stage, and JP is like, oh, it's gonna. And he's like, I hate it when it's like that. You know, it's like when you've got predator amongst the crowd, and it's like, how dare you even show up? You know, it's like, yeah, we're about. You know, that you are not welcome here. And.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

You ever called anybody out?

[Waylon Revis]

Have I ever called anybody out? No, I've never. I've never Got them into that position yet, you know, where it's like, you. You know, I've never. Like, they're smart enough to stay away from me, you know, the closest one.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

It'S never been like, you're. You're up there playing your song, and you look and you're like, dude, you're not vibing with them. This, bro. You're not vibing with this. I can see it.

[Tyler France]

You.

[Waylon Revis]

I. I've said. But I just say. Which I tell them to get out. And then. And sometimes you see people exit the room. Like, you see that? And the closest one that. That's come to me would be that trucker. It would be that trucker run me off the road. And I stood my ground real quick. I was like, oh, here we go this time, you know, And. And they're like.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

They were like, thank you, Jesus. I finally got one.

[Waylon Revis]

But my wife came up. She's. What was that about? She's why we was wrecked. I'm like, no, this dude. And she goes, I can't believe that just happened. I'm like, yeah. And I like, they'll target you, you know, like, you get targeted.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Off subject. I like how you. Your wife was like, you almost wreck. That's. That's a. That's a North Carolina NASCAR thing. We almost wreck.

[Waylon Revis]

You almost red. My wife Philly. So she. She didn't quite like. My wife is a. Is a. Philly is from Philly. So she has that use guys and. And she's got that use guys and. But, you know, a radiator and. And stuff like that. Her whole. That accent. But that's me coming, speaking for her. But she would never say.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah, well, I. I mean. I mean, you. You ain't far from Dale.

[Waylon Revis]

No, I met Dale when I was little. Dale was the man I met.

[Tyler France]

Jimmy's. Dale. Dale Senior's biggest fan.

[Waylon Revis]

Number three. You know where I'm from. Okay. If you're. I know Russian mountains. I lived right close to Thunder Road.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Waylon Revis]

Like, where. Oh, God. Where I'm from is steeped with, you know, nascar. And I'll tell you a little secret about it. My great uncle used to tip off the bootleggers that the FBI was coming.

[Tyler France]

Oh, that's awesome, dude.

[Waylon Revis]

But you know it. Where. You know where I'm from, too. A lot of that takes place, you know, we have. And they were a family lived on. On the mountain. But the tree went one branch, and you know what I'm saying? And I went to school with those children, and their name was. Well, I don't want to say their name.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That'd be the Hills have Eyes kids.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, Very much. Very inbred. You could tell. You could tell the difference. Slow and very, you know, look like aliens. Like, I. I can't. Like. And I'm. I'm telling you right now, it's like, you can't make this up. And I remember as a child, feeling bad for him and not understanding why they different than us. And I remember social services would come in and remove them from the home and. And like, they.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

They.

[Waylon Revis]

They finally disbanded the family because, you know, grandpa was your dad and your brother and your, you know, really like that.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That's not nascar. That's. That's the stereotype of nascar. That's not.

[Waylon Revis]

It is, but it's the truth. You know, it's like I. You know.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

God damn it, Waylon, you're supposed to back me up here, dog.

[Waylon Revis]

I can't, man. It's like I had to live it. It's like I did. You know, I love my hometown, and they did the right thing about it. They. They took care of it. But, I mean.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I mean, that's. That's all. I mean, it sort of goes to your main point, which is. That is also a form of protection.

[Waylon Revis]

And I didn't understand. I knew. I knew that there was something special about those children. You know, I did. It's like. And I was. I remember being friendly with them like, I remember the other kids, because I didn't come from a rich family, but I also came from a super religious. My mother was a Jehovah's Witness. And like, it's like, take what you will from it. And I'm not a practicing Job's Witnesses, please, you know, know that. But, like, they, you know, my mother, like. Like, you treat everybody good. You. You walk the path of Jesus. That's. That's what it was. And I remember, like, other kids that had money and, you know, that had a little bit. Well, to do, were meaner than these children. And I. And I. But I didn't understand why either. You know, it's like, because I wasn't a spoiled child. I didn't have. I had clothes on my back and food in my belly, but I didn't have a lot. But I remember these kids, like, holes in their shoes and just, like, just. Just as poor as anything, you know, you could imagine. And I remember just being good to them. I remember. I remember not understanding why they were the way they were, either. I didn't understand why that they were slow and why that they smelled very bad. Like, I remember that because their name came before mine. So, like. And when you're in elementary school, you know, you get alphabetical order. I was right behind them every day. So. Lunchtime.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

The opinions of this, this rock star do not reflect that of the France family, NASCAR, Dale Jr. Or anybody.

[Tyler France]

Hey, so, Waylon, what is it? When you said, you said you only work with people that truly support your message. Is it, is it difficult or is it rather easy to find bands that, you know to go on tour with and all that stuff that, that you know, that not only are okay with it, but are like, go for it, dude. Like, we support you?

[Waylon Revis]

Most of them are.

[Tyler France]

They're good.

[Waylon Revis]

They just don't want nothing to do with it. And that's fine. That's fine. Because they know the risk that comes along with it. They do. It's a lot of times I do. Somebody's. Well, I paid something. The invoice came in. I can't expect them to hop on my banner.

[Tyler France]

I can't.

[Waylon Revis]

You know, it's like. And that's wrong of me because, like, everybody has the right to choose what, what they want their business model to be and what they probably stand for. That, that's the, that's the hard part about being in this business because it is so superficial too. Like, like, you understand, a lot of people I work with, they're, they're, they're interested in being a. Their own God.

[Tyler France]

Yes.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That's.

[Waylon Revis]

That's the thing. That's the separation of, like, I've got. I. I've transcended that. I don't want to be a God amongst man. I don't want to be worshiped. I don't want that. That's the most terrible thing possible. You know, you're gonna send me straight to hell before I get a chance to get the pearly gates. But if I accept that, that, that offer.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Yeah, and that's, that's the same offer that Satan made to Christ, by the way.

[Waylon Revis]

It is. And that's the scary part is I don't, you know, I don't want that. And I so like anybody that meets me and they get nervous and they get like, super hyper fixated that, oh, I'm eating. Waylon, please calm down. I'm just, I'm just wailing. Ask me what video game I played today. Yeah, lunch, you know, like, like, I'm nothing special. I'm here. I'm lucky to be talented enough to be given the opportunity to entertain you. And that's all I wanted to be looked at is like, I. I really want anything more than that.

[Tyler France]

You have been recently. It looks like the last tour did and then this coming tour. Are you. Are you doing your. Your own headlining tours?

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, I'm doing my own headline tours. I. I bounce back and forth. I'll go do main support sport and. Which I prefer to do. But, yeah, with you. I like to be introduced to a crowd that has no clue who I am and what I'm about because, damn.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That'S got to be dope. They're like, whoa, we didn't expect this coming, man. He came in hard.

[Mike (Law Enforcement Officer)]

I can. I can only imagine the four. The four Pierce crowd, because I like, I'm ten minutes from there. I'm very interested in that one.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I want to go, man. I just want to see it.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, you. Come on, guys. I'll take care of you. Just email and we'll take care of you guys. You come be my guest for the night.

[Tyler France]

All right.

[Waylon Revis]

And you'll realize, too, like, we're lame. I like, was like, what'd you do today? Well, we got the crock pot started and sit here and worked.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

All right, let's go rock out.

[Waylon Revis]

Made it here.

[Tyler France]

That's one.

[Waylon Revis]

I'm more interested in eating good food and. And watching TV than I am anything. You know, it's like, I'm out there. I. I do the show, but I'm not. I'm not out there to sit at the bar. I'm not out there to smoke pot. I'm not out there to do coke. I'm not out there to do anything but eat good food and play a good show. That's it.

[Tyler France]

Well, so you doing the. The. You headlining your own tour, I'm assuming it's. It's a little bit more stressful. And I've never heard anything about it other than I always wanted to ask, like, you. That whole drama with the Dogma thing, did that happen during tour? Was that taken care of before tour?

[Waylon Revis]

That was. That was beyond anything that I had any control with. Like, that was like, Dogma is on my label with me, and I spoke with the label about going out on that tour, and then all that drama unfolded, and I chose. I like, first of all, I decided to sit back and watch the situation and make sure if it was true or not. And to be honest with you, I seen nothing, like, out of the ordinary. Like, it's a business, and they play characters.

[Tyler France]

Yeah. More.

[Waylon Revis]

More or less. And. But I've seen nobody mistreated And I did look like, trust me, that was like. I was like. Because it was all unfolding before it happened, but I was already committed to go do something and I was going.

[Tyler France]

To go do it.

[Waylon Revis]

And if they pulled off, that was, that was going to be on their, their behalf. And ended up having all the girls over to the house. You know, they're all from another country. Brought them here. Julie and I cooked for them, took care of them, you know, so I made sure that they had a good, a good meal in their stomach and they were very sweet and individuals. I, I will say that, that, you know, it's like. But when it comes to the other members and stuff, I, I didn't, I didn't. None of that came to play in front of me.

[Tyler France]

So you would just chalk it up as bad manager, talent relations.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, very much so. Like, like some, like I. Because I can't speak on it because like a, there's a language barrier there. There, you know, they're. They speak in Spanish. I speak bad English. Like I can't understand what you're saying. But like I did pay attention for signs, you know, and I've seen nothing. They, and they were super sweet. They were sweet people. They really were. Those ladies were, were very, very nice. And I remember we had a day off our, like we were going from PA to Indiana and we had. And my home was directly in the middle and we invited them over and the ladies came over and we cooked a good meal for them and you know, just showed them some hospitality.

[Tyler France]

Nice. Did they, did they end up doing the tour?

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, they did the tour. Did the whole tour. And they, but they're a little, they're. They sit on a different spectrum than we do. I mean it's still a show. But what they stand for and what I stand for really don't mix either.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, that's right. I was kind of looking at that. I was like, man, that does. But you know, some of the best shows in history have been wildly separate ideas.

[Waylon Revis]

You can't get more separate than that. Those like that is a adult based show. Like I ain't gonna lie. It was. I didn't, I really didn't do my homework on it at first. But like, you know, they are super like, like they're up there doing their thing and I'm. And I'm not trying to say anything or nothing. And then we're save a kid, kill a pedophile and it all in water.

[Tyler France]

Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. Just something I wanted to ask it, you know. I know. Waylon, you are not about the drama. I really respect that about you because what we do, it's very easy to get in the limelight, to just do a call out or, you know, create drama with another podcast or with a, you know, a Navy SEAL or something. We do try to stay away from that. And I really, truly respect the fact that, you know, you're like, I'm doing this on my own. I don't need. I don't need, you know, support, and I don't need drama. You know, it's gone.

[Waylon Revis]

Have it back, but drama.

[Tyler France]

I'm in denial, though. I still ask for a two up top.

[Waylon Revis]

Oh, my God. Like, I. I every couple days. Like, I. I accept. Accept that it's gone, but no drama. I. I don't. I don't do that. I don't do the mudslinging. I don't do he said, she said. I don't do any of that. Like, and I've had drama thrown at me, and I keep quiet, and I'm just like, that should say enough, you know? Yeah, it really should. I don't play into it. I don't. I don't sit there. Well, he said this, and they did that. It's like, that. Let it go. Move forward.

[Tyler France]

Well, when me and you spoke privately about some similar, you know, businesses, business deals in our past and people we've known, you know, you said it best. You just said greed. Greed's a gre. Greed will ruin everything.

[Waylon Revis]

Greed does ruin everything. It's the, you know, that's greed. Greed ruined everything in my past, like it did.

[Tyler France]

Did.

[Waylon Revis]

I ain't gonna lie. But it is what it is. Like, you get money involved with something, and you'll. You'll see people's true colors come out real quick.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Wait, wait. Way. Whalen, let me. Let me ask you. Let me back this up, man, because there was another component to this that you said it was greed, but there was also a lot of pharmaceuticals involved as well.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes, the pharmaceuticals were involved. So you didn't pay attention, and greed took over.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

I mean, Colt said it right. Greed and gluttony.

[Tyler France]

Right.

[Waylon Revis]

Greed and gluttony is right. It's completely right. And. And, you know, that was my own fault. But being young and being given the world. God, yeah. I want to be a rock star. I want to be Motley Crue. I tried to do it, and it failed.

[Tyler France]

But, I mean, think of the handful. Think of the handful musicians. I mean, obviously, you've spoken to a lot of aspiring musicians probably while you're on the road and on the Internet, but think of the handful of them that will become successful and then they'll impact five people themselves. And then you got 25, 30 people that are doing it right based off of the message that you put out there now just by talking.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Hell yeah.

[Tyler France]

There was nothing out there when you wanted to be a rock star. You were like, I guess I just better follow the breadcrumbs and hope I get picked. There was nobody going, hey man, I, here's what I would do. I wouldn't take it if they didn't say this first. And you're not going to tell somebody. Like, you're promising me the rock star life and you want me to ask about, you know, compensation and benefits. You want me to ask about longevity? Like, no way.

[Waylon Revis]

My wife, we, we, we, we theorize in my home all the time with my wife and I, and, and it's like she wouldn't have tolerated like how my past was. Like, she would have been like, no, you're not signing that. No you're not doing that. Like, and she like, Julie, my wife is my business partner. She's my best friend. Like, she's the love of my life and she has my best interest always put first, like, because my best interests are her best interest. And, and I'm lucky to have that, that like how many people could say that their partner is that close to them and, and, and, and loves him so much that she is going to make sure that I never put myself in that position again because it's all about taking care of our family.

[Tyler France]

I'm right there with you, brother. My, my wife keeps me on the straight narrow every single day, every single day.

[Waylon Revis]

You know, it's like I, I, I, I try to give her all the credit in the world. I can't give her enough, I can't not try.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Oh, that's a blessing from the Lord, partner.

[Waylon Revis]

It is, it completely is. I, I, you know, it's like, I'll tell you a funny story about my wife. My wife had open heart surgery when we lived in Florida. She had a matra valve. She had a, a hole in it and then she had to have it fixed. And the, the, the, the health care down there wasn't the greatest, greatest. And we came and we started looking to move him back up north into Ohio, Pennsylvania. We were looking and we found a house and, and we, we, we were having to do everything remotely because it was post covet, like coming out. And we, we got up here and we were on Tour. I was with Struggle Jennings, and we had a day off and it was my wife's birthday, and we had put a bid on this house, but we had not got this house right here. And we had not got the, the bid or anything. But we, we were like. She flew into town because she was not out with me because she was healing from surgery. And I hopped in. In the van and went. Got her. And I was like, hey, do you want to go to the neighborhood? And like, do you want to go see his house in person? And she's like, yes. And we went. And we, we got to this house and. And she come in and there's a, there's a park and there's a splash pad, and it's just a, it's community. It's. It's a beautiful place where I'm at. And we left. And she goes, oh, my God, I want that so bad. And I started. I looked there and I was like, okay, okay. And we got to my bass player's house and I, I go. And I'm just like, excuse me for a few minutes. So I'll go to the bathroom. And I go, sit down. Sit down in the bathroom. And I prayed and I said, lord, I, I've turned everything around. Can you do this for my wife? She wants it. You know, I've done everything that you've asked me, and I've done. I, I, I, I'm will continue to do. I'm will continue living the straight and narrow. And if you could just see this one through. And I, I walked out of the bathroom. My wife's running.

[Tyler France]

That's amazing.

[Waylon Revis]

Got it.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Dope.

[Waylon Revis]

And I, I've never told that store story publicly.

[Tyler France]

Really?

[Waylon Revis]

No.

[Tyler France]

Really.

[Waylon Revis]

Publicly.

[Tyler France]

That's really hard.

[Waylon Revis]

And that meant the world to me because she wanted this. And I asked for her. I was like, can you do this for her? And we got this. And. And when my wife and I got together, we didn't have two nickels to rub together. We didn't have.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

After you've been a rock star.

[Waylon Revis]

I had nothing. Nothing. And everything that's good me was post mushroom, man.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Damn, dude, we gotta talk about that. Like, the Coming out of the rock.

[Waylon Revis]

Star world had nothing. I didn't have anything. I mean, we don't.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Tyler, can we get a part two?

[Waylon Revis]

Absolutely. If you guys have enjoyed, I would totally come back. I've enjoyed.

[Tyler France]

Oh, we love it.

[Waylon Revis]

Dude, I need to talk about things I normally don't talk about. I don't. I don't talk about my faith. I Don't talk about. Maybe I should more. But, you know, dude, we.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Tyler and I, we started kind of talking about it, and. And it was really. Tyler, that was the impetus and.

[Tyler France]

And.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

And it resonated, man. I mean, we cuss and we drink and we smoke and we. We do all the, you know, the things that the Baptists wouldn't want us to do, but, I mean, we're faithful dudes, man. And I, Man, I would love to have you back, even if it's like, hey, man, 20 minutes with Whelen. Let's go.

[Waylon Revis]

Hey, I'll be more than honored to come back. I. Yeah. That's awesome, guys. I feel good about this. I feel like I needed to do this. I feel like I needed to let people know where I really stand because, like. Like, I'm not afraid of it. You know, I. I've never. I'm not afraid to speak on it now. You know, I've never been afraid to speak about the pedophile, but I've never. I've always had a hesitancy to speak about my faith.

[Tyler France]

And we did, too.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

We all did, brother.

[Tyler France]

We were getting it out of each other. We were dragging. We finally got Mike to talk about Christianity. It's just. I mean, you're with me at work when you're with. When you were around a bunch of dudes. I'm telling you, I. I'm getting myself out of it. The last thing I want to hear is, can I talk to you about Christ? Like, oh, man, come on, weirdo. You know, but, you know, you're supposed to go tell the lady cutting your deli meat at the grocery store like, hey, is your day good? Have. You know, do you want to learn about Jesus? That's what we're supposed to do. So it's kind of like finding that good minimum where, you know, or that good. That good middle ground where you can talk about it and you know, it. Like, trust us. It's. I'm 30, about to be 38, and it. You know, my wife drags it out of me. You know, we drag it out of each other.

[Waylon Revis]

So I. I. You know, but.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

But.

[Waylon Revis]

But I'll tell you right now, everything I have is because of him. And I won't deny that.

[Tyler France]

Same here.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

Well, I mean, it.

[Waylon Revis]

It's.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

It's also very possible, Waylon, that a lot of these things that are on your heart came from Christ also. I mean, he. I mean, you know, let's just be real here, you know, if you want to be Christ, like, driving people out With a whip in a chair isn't outside the realm of possibility, neither.

[Tyler France]

It is.

[Waylon Revis]

And you know, the, the funny part is it's like I tell people all the time, it's like, I do what he wants and I'm okay. I'm never going to be rich. I don't. I have no aspirations to ever being a millionaire.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That's the enemy, right? The enemy comes from that.

[Waylon Revis]

Yes. Because I'll tell you what. How, how this works, everybody, you know, you always need to work towards something. You need to. It's part of it. It's like you need to earn it. You need to go out there and put a hard day's work in. But when you have the ability to have anything, don't you. Don't think about it. I've got five Lambos and I got a. I got a Lamborghini. I got a Ferrari. I've got. I've got a yacht. What happens when you have everything at your fingertips? What happens that you morally.

[Tyler France]

You know. Bingo.

[Waylon Revis]

Yeah, Bingo. So. I don't want that. I don't want that. I want. I want my wife and I to go into retirement, be able to snowbird, go down to Florida and, you know, sit on a porch, hold her hand, tell her how much I love her every day.

[Tyler France]

That's all I.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

That, that.

[Waylon Revis]

That's the. The end goal for me.

[Tyler France]

Well, as a fan, Waylon, I don't want you to do that. But I 100 get it.

[Waylon Revis]

I have. I have a few years left of this. Just a few. I. I have no aspirations to be doing this when I'm 60. I have no. You know, it's like, this is a young man's game. It takes. It takes everything out of you to be out there. You miss. You miss birthdays, you miss graduations, you miss weddings. You miss family time. You're separated from everybody. It's the loneliest place on the planet. But it's what I chose to do. And I'm gonna see it through. But I'm gonna see it through with, with the. The right message. But at the end of the day, I want it to be over too. And at the. I don't want to still always be in the limelight. I never did. I don't.

[Tyler France]

I don't. When you're not doing it for you, it's a job. It's a job that you love doing. But when you're not doing it for moi, it's now, it's work. And God wants you to eat and, you know, he wants you to Work. He wants you to have that ability. So I. I love what you do, Whalen. I respect you tremendously for not trying to get the. The octane hits and the Lambos and, you know, know, I don't.

[Waylon Revis]

I don't crash it. I. No, no, I'm not gonna lie. I have the cheap Lambo. I have a Nissan Z. But that was because I had a midlife crisis when I had my grandbaby. I am still young.

[Tyler France]

We all have something sitting at our house that costed thousands of dollars. That was a midlife crisis.

[Waylon Revis]

What? My wife just spoke up. She goes, you're only 47. And.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

But.

[Waylon Revis]

But, you know, it's like I've been blessed with some. Some good things, but in. In reality, you know, it's like I have. I. I just want my wife to be taken care of. I want my family to be taken care of. I want to know that they're going to be okay when, God forbid, if I'm not here anymore, I want them to be all right. That's it. You know, and I don't think that's much to wish for. It's. It's a. It's just be modest. Live with your you means and, you know, you be taken care of. Just make the right decisions.

[Tyler France]

All right, well, and thank you so much for joining us. Like I said. Oh, real quick, I want to put it back. Justin, if you're in here, can you put up image 025? Our. An actual producer is in here, but I'll put it up and then he can adjust it. You'll be in Wilmington, Somerville, Gastonia, N.C. atlanta. Fort Pierce, Lake Worth Beach, Tampa. These are all in Florida. Orlando. Jacksonville, Florida. Houston, Texas. Haltam City, Texas. Austin, Texas. I can't spell. Abilene, Oklahoma City, and St. Louis.

[Jimmy (Co-host)]

So staying anything down in the Bible Belt?

[Tyler France]

Yeah, if anybody is around these areas, man, this is gonna to be a killer show.

[Waylon Revis]

And you guys just know, just don't judge a book by its cover. You know, somebody said earlier, and I've seen it, it's like this. This message is a little dark for me. It's not dark. It's just reality. And there's nothing dark about what we do.

[Tyler France]

Amen, brother. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Go check out a killer's confession. Obviously Instagram, you got. You run your own YouTube. You guys got your own YouTube.

[Waylon Revis]

It's all us, all in house.

[Tyler France]

We.

[Waylon Revis]

All right? Everything's us. And my wife is behind most of the social media, and I'm. I'm there when it's time to go live and make posts about her, but other than that, it's us, so.

[Tyler France]

All right, buy some merch. I linked the merch website up in the comment section, so that's pinned. But, uh, everybody, everybody, we will see you again tomorrow for one of the flagship broadcasts, 11am Eastern Standard Time, live on YouTube, X and Facebook. Thanks for support, everybody. Wh. And thanks again. We will talk soon.

[Waylon Revis]

Thank you.

[Tyler France]

All right, Sav team for life.