01/21/2026: Friendsday w/ Elizabeth Lane

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: Friendsday w/ Elizabeth Lane
Date: January 21, 2026
Host: The Antihero Podcast
Guest: Elizabeth Lane (Independent Journalist, Host of the Elizabeth Lane Show)

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Episode Overview

This “Friendsday” episode brings on guest Elizabeth Lane, an independent journalist originally from the country of Georgia, for a deep-dive on global politics, media, the military, immigration, and cross-cultural perspectives. With plenty of spirited debate—mainly between Elizabeth and co-host Jimmy—the conversation explores what it means to be American, the legacy and influence of the United States abroad, war, and the subjective versus objective measures of national greatness. The panel maintains its hallmark blue-collar authenticity while challenging one another on military ethics, geopolitics, and cultural myths.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

Sports, Current Events & Show Updates

• [02:08] Brief update on sports and current guests, including a Miami football fan dealing with a tough loss.
• Commentary on the wild nature of football seasons and some tongue-in-cheek remarks about sports “being rigged.”

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Guest Introduction & Background - Elizabeth Lane

• [06:07] Introduction of Elizabeth Lane: born in the country of Georgia (not the US state). Now based in the US.
• [06:51] [07:41] Discussion on why Georgia punches above its weight in strength sports and the “testosterone in the DNA.”
• Elizabeth’s early passion for acting, relocation to the US for theater/Hollywood, and eventual transition into independent journalism due to dissatisfaction with “shallow” LA/Hollywood culture.

Quote [07:44]:
"You know, it's funny, I consider myself more American than Georgian. ... My mindset is very American. So when I go back, every single time, my Georgian friends like, you know what? You're too American now. I was like, you know what? I'll take that as a compliment." — Elizabeth Lane

• [08:20] Lived in Germany and Ukraine for extended periods as a student.
• [08:41] Moved to the US right after high school, for college.
• [08:54] Perspective on illegal immigration:
  “Illegal immigration rubs the wrong way, you know, for every single legal immigrant because you go through a huge process... And then someone just crosses the borders, never pays taxes... and somehow has the same rights as you, if not more. And that's crazy to me.” — Elizabeth Lane

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Career in Journalism

• [10:58] Worked for both “big companies” (e.g. Unified TV) and as an independent contractor/creator.
• Independent YouTube presence: “Elizabeth Lane Show” (for free content); primary work found behind paywall at Unified TV.

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Critique of Dan Crenshaw & SEAL “Drama”

• [12:22] The panel asks about Elizabeth’s public dislike for politician/former SEAL Dan Crenshaw.

• The conversation delves into how certain military veterans are put on pedestals politically, only for disillusionment to set in later.

• [13:33]
  "Absolutely. He's absolutely... that's why he's called I patch McCain. But yeah, I started disagreeing with his policies..." — Elizabeth Lane

• Detailed behind-the-scenes disagreement with Crenshaw, expressing disappointment with his “warmongering” stance and lack of humility (“refuses to acknowledge any slight mistake”) [16:35].

Notable Exchange:

• [17:01] "Let's say you're Dan Crenshaw and you get challenged by Sean Ryan... I would be like, f the paperwork. Let's go, bro. ... Let's clean up my name..." — Elizabeth Lane

• Panel commentary on the “SEAL ego,” and the over-glorification of certain military careers.

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Debate: The Morality of American Military Actions

• [20:07+] Elizabeth criticizes American veneration of foreign wars and certain veterans:
  “I respect people who go to war to protect their country, I don't respect people who go to war to up other people's countries... What did Dan Crenshaw did to be put on pedestal and to be thanked for his service fucking up Middle East and then that backfiring on our country?”

• Spirited debate with Jimmy, who pushes back:
  "First of all, like, the, the soldiers of the United States do not pick the wars that we get sent to. ... If you have ever been in a military unit, like... that becomes your family..." — Jimmy ([21:14])

• Elizabeth counters: Many SEALs come from broken families, and once disenchantment with the system sets in, it is a moral duty to walk away.

• The debate becomes both personal and philosophical:

  • Elizabeth: Argues that US soldiers have agency to “say no,” and blames both propaganda and personal lack of awareness for perpetuating “unjust” wars.
  • Jimmy: Insists that people serve because of bonds and unit loyalty, and that the propagandized nature of American youth should mitigate some blame.

• [26:44] Jimmy highlights the turning point for many veterans: realizing America misled them, but staying out of loyalty to younger soldiers.

• [30:48] “If you're going to say that we are heavily propagandized, you can't blame the kids for going, I want to join the army and go do a gunfight like Blackhawk Down.” — Jimmy

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On Propaganda, War, and Government Motivation

• Discussion of the historical pattern of America entering wars on dubious premises and the difficulty of believing government/media narratives.
• Elizabeth references Daniel Ellsberg, Vietnam, and Iraq “Weapons of Mass Destruction” as evidence Americans “should have known,” but remain willfully blind.
• Debate over personal responsibility at a young age.
• [33:24] Host Tyler contextualizes:
  “19 year olds... they're just not like I was at 19 and 20 years before that. It wasn't like my dad.”

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US Foreign Policy, Russia, and Proxy Wars

• [36:45] Elizabeth insists Russia–Ukraine conflict orchestrated primarily by US and UK intelligence (“the United States CIA and its goons driving the Ukrainian war”).

• Thorough breakdown of post-Soviet intelligence landscape; strong critique of US/CIA meddling in world affairs.

• [44:01] Elizabeth provides detailed argument on Trump’s actions, US hypocrisy concerning international law, and global double standards.

Notable Quote [45:31]:
"If you still want to do that, right, if you still want to do that, you can come out and say, well, America no longer recognizes international law and standards. ... But here's the problem. He didn't say that. He still comes out and says, for everyone else, bro, you have to obey by international law that I myself dictated, but I don't have to. Now you're a hypocrite. Now you can be trusted. Now we are a clown." — Elizabeth Lane

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Deep Dive: Geopolitical Power, Cabals & The Multipolar World

• Extended dialogue about whether America is at the center of a global “cabal,” with vying interpretations:
  • Elizabeth: Yes, the US is the mafia boss to Europe’s junior partners.
  • Jimmy: Argues US is being manipulated by internal special interests—CIA, military complex, not the American people or government as a whole.

Key Exchange [61:00]:

• “...the United States has become the protector and the footer of the bill. But we're the ones that are actually getting... ratcheted into this war…” — Jimmy

• “...the US sits over on the other side of the ocean, knows that it's happy and it's like absolutely intact and funds Nazis while also aiding with food and other, you know, goods to Soviet Union. Why? Because it's in their own interest to have these people murder each other…” — Elizabeth Lane ([63:46])

• History of US dominance after WWII—Marshall Plan, Operation Gladio, manipulation of European post-war reconstruction.

• Gladio explained as covert NATO/CIA “stay-behind” armies sowing chaos in Europe, illustrating the deep reach of American influence.

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Are “Proxy Wars” Good for Military Effectiveness?

• [39:56] Tyler asks whether American involvement in proxy wars, in a perverse way, keeps the US military “sharp.”
• Elizabeth: "Absolutely not," pointing to Russia’s unexpectedly strong showing in Ukraine and arguing America's proxy war experience did not translate to success.

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Is America Truly the "Best Country?"

• [76:07+] The hosts challenge Elizabeth regarding her critique of America given her continued residence.

• [78:07] Elizabeth contends America's global image is in part a "myth" propagated by Hollywood, and many immigrants are simply “too broke” to go back home or admit things didn't work out.

• Differentiation between immigrants who stay (often poor, seeking handouts) and those who leave or return home (often wealthier).

• Elizabeth shares that, for her, American culture—especially the distance in friendships and individualism, contrasted with the tight-knit (but sometimes intrusive) culture in Georgia—is the main reason she remains:
  "I like my privacy. ... I'm not a person who likes big groups..." ([99:35])

• The hosts repeatedly press for a more “convincing” reason why America is "better," challenging the notion that individualism alone justifies her dropping Georgian citizenship.

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The Subjectivity of Best Countries & Cultural Fit

• [88:20] Elizabeth: “You know what's better and freer country? Georgia, where I come from… Medical services, banking industry. ... My mom had cancer. ... Everything was paid for immediately.”
• Hosts counter with questions about scale, diversity, and whether smaller homogeneous states like Switzerland are fair comparisons.
• Discussion clarifies that “better” is highly subjective and context-dependent.

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Personal Ties, Culture, and National Loyalty

• [91:36] Elizabeth adamantly states that her move to America was for cultural fit, not opportunity or political ideology.

• Tells anecdote of how her mother failed to adapt to American culture and returned to Georgia:
  "Culturally different is not better or worse, it's just different."

• Explains that after investing so much of her “conscious life” in the US, and creating relationships and family, it’s "really hard to leave" even if the dream has faded.

• [106:36] Jimmy draws parallel between veterans staying in the military out of loyalty and Elizabeth remaining in America out of inertia, relationships, and hope for potential.

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Lightning Round — Hot Take Segment

• Do you believe the moon landing happened?

  • Elizabeth: “I don't know. ... I've heard from people who are very high up... that it was all faked... but as a journalist, I never dived into that rabbit hole.” ([111:17])
  • Jimmy believes it happened, citing external (e.g., India’s lunar images, lack of CCP denial) evidence.

• Holocaust death numbers?

  • Elizabeth: “6 million is a bogus, stupid number... I don't have any exact number. ... But 6 million is nowhere near the number that Hitler either killed, burnt or gassed.” ([113:04])
  • Panel: Not deniers, but skeptical of official and popularly cited figures.

• Is the US truly the “best country” in the world?

  • Elizabeth: “Objectively, I don’t think it is. ... But American pride can never be brainwashed. ... If you chose it to be yours, then you have to love it no matter what.” ([97:03])

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Closing Thoughts

• The conversation concludes with some agreement that the heart of America—the “average person”—is not the problem, but rather systemic forces in government, special interests, and lobbying.
• Despite cultural critique, Elizabeth claims US citizenship (having relinquished Georgian), citing cultural fit and a sense of purpose.
• The group mentions a future “Antihero European Tour” for cross-cultural learning and perspective ([117:15]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Elizabeth Lane [08:54]:
  "Illegal immigration rubs the wrong way... you have to do everything in the right way. And then someone just crosses the borders, never pays taxes, never does anything for this country, and somehow has the same rights as you, if not more. And that's crazy to me."

• Elizabeth Lane [20:07]:
  "I respect people who go to war to protect their country, I don't respect people who go to war to up other people's countries..."

• Jimmy [21:14]:
  "If you have ever been in a military unit, like the fir... that becomes your family, that's more your family than..."

• Tyler [33:24]:
  “19 year olds... they're just not like I was at 19 and 20 years before that. It wasn't like my dad.”

• Elizabeth Lane [45:31]:
  "If you still want to do that... you can come out and say, well, America no longer recognizes international law and standards... But here's the problem. He didn't say that..."

• Elizabeth Lane [97:03]:
  "No matter how your country is, you should love your country more than anything. ... If you chose it to be yours, then you have to love it no matter what."

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Key Timestamps

• 06:07 — Elizabeth Lane joins, introduces background
• 08:54 — On illegal immigration as a legal immigrant
• 12:22–17:47 — Critique of Dan Crenshaw & ex-military celebrities
• 20:07–35:02 — Spirited military/morality debate: soldier agency and propaganda
• 36:45–44:01 — Global cabals, US vs. Europe, Russia/Ukraine breakdown
• 61:00 — Is the US leading the world or being manipulated by it?
• 76:07–92:17 — Why do immigrants come/stay? Is America really “best”? Cultural fit vs. opportunity
• 106:36 — “Why do you stay even if you’re disillusioned?”—personal ties, hope, inertia
• 111:17 — Lightning round: moon landing, Holocaust numbers
• 117:15 — “Antihero European Tour” idea

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Overall Tone

• Candid, sometimes combative but respectful—reflective of veterans’, blue-collar, and independent journalism sensibilities. Elizabeth is direct and analytic, unafraid of controversy; the hosts push back with humor and patriotic perspective, but all parties are open to challenging entrenched beliefs.

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Where to find Elizabeth Lane

• X (Twitter): @imelizabethlane
• Instagram: @TheRealJournalist
• YouTube: Elizabeth Lane Show

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Summary for New Listeners

If you’re seeking a raw, unscripted, international lens on America’s self-perception, ethics, and place in the world—filtered through the experience of both veterans and a prominent immigrant journalist—this episode is packed with challenging debates, new perspectives, personal stories, and the honesty (and humor) you expect from The Antihero Broadcast.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Good morning. It is Wednesday, Friends Day, January 21st. The Anti Hero broadcast is the news entertainment broadcast for all veterans, first responders and all blue collar Americans. Thank you guys for joining us this morning. And of course the show is brought to you by ghostbag. Go to ghostbed.com/SL Anti Hero. Save 10 on their already ridiculously low prices. Everything from pillowcases, mattress toppers, cooling, patented technology sheets, their award winning mattresses, 60, 000 five star rating and reviews in house, customer service, free shipping and returns, all handcrafted here in the United States and Canada. Go to ghostped.com forward/antihero. If you got to replace anything in the bedroom, it'll tell them that we sent you. And of course our boy Jim over at Elevated silence. Go to elevated silence.com use promo code ANTIHERO15. Save 15 on your cans, suppressors, everything from 22s to 50 cows if you need a can for your weapon, Jim over at Elevated Silence makes it very easy and he walks you through the entire process. Super simple, not as intimidating as it sounds. Go to elevated silence.com use promo code ANTIHERO15. Save 15. Jimmy, you're back.

[B]

We're back up.

[A]

All right, cool. I don't really know if we have any reflections since yesterday. Anything happen in the world revolving around us.

[B]

I mean, a ton. But nothing in the world, Nothing that.

[C]

We talk about yesterday. Oh, yesterday was for the Patreon.

[A]

Yeah. All right, well, we saw that K9 is doing okay after the Miami loss. Our sports commentator every Monday, canine from counterculture sports, is a huge Miami fan and we talked to him on Monday. He had all of his hopes in one basket and Miami played a great game. I don't know what it is about football this year, but everything from high school to the NFL. I've never seen crazier football than this year.

[C]

Yeah, there's a lot of strange plays this year.

[B]

It. It's rigged.

[C]

I believe it is too.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I believe it is too.

[A]

All right. I nuked my coffee and forgot to grab it out of the microwave. Give me 10 seconds.

[B]

Okay. So, Mike, how you been, brother?

[C]

Wonderful. Dropped an episode today with Michael de Grave Gravy, who we met at the Tampa event.

[B]

Yeah, great dude.

[C]

Yeah, a great story of alcoholism down in the dirt, out of shape, turned his whole life around. Sober. Ten years. Six years. Ten years. Long time.

[B]

Looks like he could deadlift a Buick.

[C]

Yeah, he's monster. So if you check that out, that drops in 45 minutes on the Cotville OG YouTube channel. Great episode. About motivation being in shape. And then tonight, 7pm live with Dominic Izzo and Jimmy's shadowcast live will be right after. You can. You can be on the night catching up with everybody.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go back on.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

The. The world's been. It's been a crazy week, you know, not just personally, but, you know, just in the world.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You know, so I got. I got reached out to.

[C]

Women stuff, all that garbage like that. That's a lot, dude.

[B]

I. I got reached out to. We'll talk about this more offline. I got reached out to. By a. A friend of the show who is currently active duty and basically said like, hey, dude, do you. We're getting ready to deploy and can you give me any information you can about this specific region? And, you know, I, I pulled it together in about 24 hours and sent it to him and he's like, this is better than what we're getting from our own S2.

[A]

Is it like not Minneapolis, right?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Hey, any word on any of those dudes in Alaska? Do we have any contact out there that can verify that or is that just a vague threat from Trump?

[C]

I kind of. I think that was a discretionary blow. It like disappeared and then, you know, just. Just weird. Weird how that, like, went out and now it's gone.

[A]

It came out and then there was no follow ups on it. It was just a vague threat.

[C]

Now everybody's. The Don Lemon thing. That seems like a distractionary blow as well. Like, let's get Don Lemon on tv. Let's get the President arguing with Don Lemon and going back and forth. And then what are we missing? What are we missing?

[B]

I mean, I don't know. How many times do you guys get spun up for nothing? I got spun up a lot for nothing.

[A]

So I think it was like Lebanon or whatever in 2000.

[B]

It was Libya.

[A]

11. Libya.

[B]

Yeah, it was Libya.

[A]

I was almost on the bird.

[C]

Whenever I think about Libya, whenever I think Libya, I always think of the beginning of Back to the Future. Weren't they Libyan terrorists that were in the back? That's my whole. Absolutely my whole history right there. The beginning of Back to the Future.

[A]

All right, guys, so it's Wednesday. Wednesday. And of course, we. This is the day dedicated to guests, getting to know the guests, asking questions about the guests. Elizabeth Lane, she had us graciously on her show. Me and Jimmy went on there. Still got a bunch of awesome clips that we got. I haven't released yet, but Gonna bring her in and get to know her. Get to know what brought her into the business and why. She's kind of like a bulldog in the independent journalism sphere and relentless for the truth. Hey, Elizabeth.

[D]

Hello. Hello. Good to be with you guys.

[A]

Hey, thank you for coming on.

[D]

Absolutely. Thank you for inviting me.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, just a lot of. We're gonna. Like I said, we'll do a 30,000 foot view of your career, however you want to spin it. And, you know, people will ask questions, we'll answer them. It's super laid back, super casual. But, yeah, I mean, let's start with, you know, I. I'm. You told us where you were born when we were on your show, but I kind of forgot Georgia.

[D]

Country of Georgia, the coolest country on earth.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You have very good UFC fighters from Georgia.

[D]

You know, something very interesting about that. So Georgia is only 3 million, and yet somehow they dominate these strength sports everywhere. So not just ufc, but like literally everywhere, whether it's jiu jitsu, karate, whatever. So it's just crazy how this tiny little country somehow dominates this testosterone, you know, fulfilled. I think we have that in our DNA.

[C]

Yeah. Just.

[B]

Just to let you know, the state of Georgia has 11 million.

[D]

State of Georgia, not the country.

[B]

Yeah, I'm interested.

[A]

I'm interested to see the battle of wits between Elizabeth and Jimmy when we. When we move to global politics and Russia.

[B]

She. She kicked my ass the first time, but I. I came prepared today.

[D]

Good. Good. Because I'm ready for you.

[B]

You shall see.

[D]

You know. You know, it's funny, I consider myself more American than Georgian. Georgians hate when I say that, because most of my conscious life has been in the US Even though I never severed ties to my country. I mean, you know, I was born there, so I go there every summer. It's a great country, great resorts, great vacation. But my mindset is very American. So when I go back, every single time, my Georgian friends, like, you know what? You're too American now. I was like, you know what? I'll take that as a compliment.

[A]

Did you ever live in any other countries other than Georgia or the U.S.

[D]

Yes, but not, like, for a long period of time, I lived in Germany. I also, funny enough, for six months, I lived in Ukraine. It was a student program that I signed up for. So I know a lot about Ukraine as well. We can talk about that later.

[A]

When did you move to the United States?

[D]

In high school. Right after finishing high school, actually in college.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[D]

Yeah. So I've been here a long time now.

[A]

Illegal Immigration, does it rub you the wrong way because you came here the proper way?

[D]

Yeah. So it. I feel like illegal immigration robs wrong way, you know, for every single legal immigrant because you go through a huge process. You have to hire lawyers, you have to spend a lot of money. You know, you have to do everything in the right way. And then someone just crosses the borders, never pays taxes, never does anything for this country, and somehow has the same rights as you, if not more. And that's crazy to me.

[A]

That is crazy.

[D]

Yeah. And that's not how great countries are built. And we hear this all the time. Well, you know, immigration built this country. Yeah. The right one, not illegal one. So we can, we can talk about all that as well. But going back to my career and where I'm from, so I was born in Georgia, ex Soviet Union, which is a very interesting aspect of Georgia and how it has changed over time. It's a full blown European country right now. It has nothing Soviet about it anymore. But I was always interested in acting. I was acting since I was five years old. I was on stage. Yeah. So I ended up moving to the U.S. you know, through theater and, you know, my ambitions to be in Hollywood. Very soon I discovered that it's a shithole. Can I say that? Yeah. So I was actually doing really well for my, like, first three years. I was like, oh, this is great. And then more and more I realized that, okay, do I really want to hang out with people like this? Do I really want to hang out with shallow people whose entire goal in this life is to be loved by people they never meet and never know? And it just, it was not right for me. I thought it was shallow. Absolutely useless. I had a radio background. My degree is international relations and law. So I was like, I want to do something that actually matters and changes the world. And I moved into journalism and that's how we started. What was that?

[A]

What year did you move into journalism?

[D]

Oh, gosh, I don't even remember, like over six years ago.

[A]

Did you work for any big syndicates or anything like that? Or have you been independent your whole time?

[D]

I worked for a few big companies, including the one I actually still work for. Unified is a quite a big company, but mostly I'm always doing independent work on the side. So like I sometimes I've been independent contractor for a bigger company, bigger channel, but as an independent journalist.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

No one has bought me yet. Hopefully, hopefully that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

[A]

And what is, what is your brandy? Is your. I know you have a pretty prominent YouTube channel. Is it the Elizabeth Lane show? Is it Elizabeth Lane journalism? What, what do you.

[D]

Yeah, it is a, it is a. YouTube is actually not something that is my main thing. I have shows on Unified tv. That's, that's where my most, most of my work goes. But I started this YouTube because people are keeping complaining that they couldn't pay $15 for a membership. And I was like, well, what can we do for these people? And I started a YouTube channel so they can get all of this for free. And it's called Elizabeth lane show on YouTube. Yes.

[A]

Okay, so that's what you meant when you, you were like, the show's up. And I was looking at YouTube when we were on your show and I was like, I don't see it.

[D]

Yeah, it's on Unified. Yes. So it goes there first. And you know, we have some episodes that are just for consumers for free out there. So you can check that out.

[A]

Okay. So a lot of people have asked me about your. I don't want to, I'm gonna. Maybe animosity or dislike for Dan Crenshaw. And they wanted to know the origins. And I didn't know what to tell them. I just assumed that you had some kind of background or relationship or experience with Dan that put the bad taste in your mouth.

[D]

Yeah. So I, I will be very short on this because I don't want to get into SEAL drama. I mean, it's everywhere and I' of it. I'm sure you are too. Guys, like, it's just this, this princesses, man, like they put their, you know, I'm a seal, I'm so strong. I'm this and that. And they are literally more self conscious and insecure than any model I've seen and talked to. So that's one. But with Dan Crunch. Actually, no, Dan, when he started his career, I really, really liked him. Like many people in the US but very soon I started disagreeing with his stance. Whether it was war or this like John Bolton type of, you know, policies that he started to pursue. And this is a guy who was a veteran. I mean, for God's sakes, he lost his eye in war. You would think that he would be more, you know, careful.

[B]

McCain 2.0.

[D]

Absolutely. He's absolutely. That's why he's called I, I pitch McCain. But yeah, I started disagreeing with his policies and I actually was messaging him on signal all the time. Hey, listen, you don't understand the Russia, Ukraine thing. Like, let me educate you. Obviously you never lived in Ukraine. You don't know, Think about Russia. How about somebody who grew up with these people? And he pretended to listen, but then he continued his warmongering policy. And finally we had a disagreement. We had a few arguments, and I ended up blocking him.

[A]

I was like, public arguments or were these behind closed doors?

[D]

No, behind closed doors. Just to me was very. His. His decision making was obnoxious. He was thinking about his donors, I think, more than anything. So, yeah, I just disagreed with him. I realized that this is not the guy that everyone thought he was. And I told him that, you are a disgrace. You should not be in Congress, and I'm done with you. Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

That was it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dan, it's. Dan Crenshaw is hard. It's a hard topic because he. I remember when he came on and he was like, you know, lost his eye in combat. He was getting into politics. He's what everybody wanted. He was that type of guy. We wanted in. In politics. And then I just over. It felt like overnight to me, because I don't follow politics. I mean, you guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but it just. All of a sudden one day, everybody despised Dan Crenshaw.

[D]

I think it's his own actions that doomed him at the end, but he played the game really well for, like, first few years, for sure.

[B]

He's not gonna lie. They had us in the first half.

[A]

Yeah, he absolutely recently went on Andy Stump show. Andy Stump was the first one to publicly bring him on a platform in recent years or in recent months. And then. And yeah, I mean, the whole back and forth thing with that. We talked a little bit about when you had us on your show was the. The drama between Dan and.

[B]

And.

[A]

And Shawn Ryan, but apparently they're both saying that documents weren't provided that made the other one look bad.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you get into that at all? Did you finalize? Did you see everything and make your own decision?

[D]

You know, kind of. I would side with Sean on this, but here's my take on this. I know that Sean had just enough information to embarrass Dan Crenshaw if you wanted to. I know that for a fact. So I would say if anyone pulled out, it probably was Dan Crenshaw and just made a reason, like, you know, that, oh, this is why we are doing this. It's, you know, it's all legal, and we're just not happy with the. Whatever paperwork. But yeah, I just don't have any reasons to doubt that Sean was afraid of something, because I know he had enough information that probably would have embarrassed then.

[A]

I would love to know what that information is.

[B]

We would all love to know.

[C]

Dan doesn't like to talk about anything at all that's gonna. Might be damaging to him. He tries to avoid it. He did it on our show, of course, never has a difficult conversation. He refuses even the minor things to say. Maybe I could have done this better or looked at this differently. I've never seen another person like him that just refuses to acknowledge any slight mistake or overlooking something on his party. Never does it.

[D]

Absolutely. I mean, just think guys like, let's say you're Dan Crenshaw and you get challenged by Sean Ryan openly after you practically threaten him or whatever and you openly get, you know, challenged. I would be like, f the paperwork. Let's go, bro. Let's sit down. Let's talk about this. Let's, let's clean up my name because I'm not going to forgive whatever you're saying right now as a sitting congressman. It affects me and offends me. So, yeah, he didn't do that. Instead, he just chickened out and he made some reasons why legal work didn't seem appropriate or whatever. Typical Dan Crenshaw, of course. Like, yeah, I mean, this is the guy who threatened Tucker Carlson, probably one of the best guys out there to, to kill him. Yeah, well, Tucker offered him, you know, why don't you come and talk to me?

[A]

I mean, here, here was, here's my take on that. I did talk to Dan on that and publicly and behind closed doors. I did not see the big issue there. I mean, we, we've, us three have said stuff like that. If I ever get in a room again, I'll kill that. But it wasn't supposed to be aired. And I asked Dan. I was, I don't know that sphere. I don't know the journalism and the actual news fear. So I was like, is that frowned upon? And he's like, yes, an American news that releasing that would be really frowned upon. But he said, in Europe, it's different. They don't have the same kind of like ethics or, or code, because I'd never seen that.

[D]

Well, I am from Europe and we do take those seriously too. So that's whatever he wants to believe. But here, here's the thing. You know, why would a congressperson even say that? That's what bothers me. This is a congressman, Republican congressman. And he's so mad at a journalist. He's so mad at a journalist that he wants to. What is going on here?

[B]

I disagree. I, I think this is a SEAL ego thing.

[D]

Yeah, I would agree. Absolutely. Well, he's a congressman, but he's a seal. He never abandoned SEAL identity, so of course it is. He's very spiteful. He's like a little kid. And, you know, I think like a.

[C]

Lot of these seals, the, the SEAL has worn off. Like, he used that. It is. I mean, I'm, I'm being funny, but he got to where he got. He used that. And then everybody realizes just because he's a Navy SEAL doesn't mean he's a good person. And they're like, now we're seeing who he really is. And you can't really play the SEAL card anymore because they're like, yeah, you're a seal, but you're not even aligning with, like, a lot of the values or the, or the seals or the, or the military or the government. So now you're just Dan Crenshaw. And when you're just Dan Crenshaw, you're not cool anymore. So I think that a lot of that is, is him trying to stay relevant. Kind of like with Eddie Gallagher's stuff. He. He dodged talking to Eddie Gallagher about all that stuff. If, if you call me out and I'm gonna push play and get on here, we'll talk about it. But if I'm maybe lying or fabricating, I'm going to create doubt and reasons why I shouldn't. So every time he gets put on the spot, he finds a reason why he shouldn't do something. I don't have to. I'm a Navy seal. I'm a congressman. I don't have to do that.

[D]

Yeah. You know, I never understood this fascination and, you know, putting these people on a pedestal in the US I never will understand that. You know, I, I respect people who go to war to protect their country. I don't respect people who go to war to up other people's countries. I'm sorry, but there's nothing glorious about it. Nothing. What. What did Dan Crenshaw did to be put on pedestal and to be thanked for his service fucking up Middle east and then that backfiring on our country? Is that what it is?

[B]

I gotta, I gotta push back on you there.

[D]

I mean, feel free.

[B]

First of all, like, the, the soldiers of the United States do not pick the wars that we get sent to.

[D]

I never said they would. I never said they would. I said, you know what? I, I will give you very easy example to kind of debunk that, not debunk that as a. Of course they don't pick the wars, but you can always choose to be absent and walk away from military career. Oh. So, yes, you can. Yes, you can. You can say, you know what?

[B]

I didn't want this to be contentious, but I. I gotta put my foot down on this one.

[D]

Sure.

[B]

Like, if you have ever been in a military unit, like the fir. The that becomes your family, that's more your family than.

[D]

You know why? Because you don't have a real family. And I'm sorry, but that's. That's the truth of seals.

[B]

I got pictures of me and my dad and I ran together. So I definitely.

[D]

Numbers. You don't have to agree with Elizabeth. We talk numbers. Most seals come from broken families. Yes or no? Okay.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh. We're just. Are we just containing this to seals, or are we gonna go to military in general? Because you may.

[A]

I think that's what we're talking about, is more of the.

[D]

Okay, yes, fair enough. So very simple. Most sales come from broken families. I should know. I have a lot of friends who are SEALs. I know exactly who they are. I know how they operate. Most of them have, like, second wives for a reason, though, or are single forever. That happens. So there are very little amount of them who are like, you know, cream on top. Very small amount of them that actually, you know, matured enough. They kind of, you know, retired, and now they see all their mistakes and all of that, and they actually speak up against the establishment that is there. Not all of them are, you know, deluded in their own glorified whatever, you know, crown or whatever they have.

[B]

It's really hard to disagree with you. What? I agree with most of the points you're making. Making.

[D]

No, I. I also know what you're trying to say. You're saying that I'm just the guy who's a soldier and I'm sent over there without my approval, without. Okay, but again, I mean, that's kind of crying. Oh, I'm. I'm just a little. That does whatever. I get it. But here's the thing. I know it's hard, but find a different career. This is why.

[B]

You know what?

[D]

You know when they wake up, Jimmy, you know, when they wake up, the government, when they don't have enough signups, when they are like, we can't even find FBI personnel. We can't even fight. People are not, you know, enlisting anymore. Oh, I wonder why. Maybe because you asked them over a million times, and they don't want to fight for you anymore. Guess what? Every single honest soldier out there will fight for American people any given day. They will fight for their people. They don't want to fight for this government anymore.

[B]

And that's completely fair. I'm not. I'm not arguing that. But your point was, well, why don't you just do something else? I loved my job in the infantry. I loved it. Anybody that knew me knows that I loved that job. I didn't want to do anything else. I didn't get to pick the war that I was sent to. That was the war that I got sent to. My job was to do the best that I could and keep as many people alive as I possibly could for. To put something under military control that a bunch of old men and women back in the United States decided needed to be brought under military control.

[C]

Jimmy, if they sent you to Minnesota to wrangle up ice, would you go do it?

[A]

Wrangle up ice?

[C]

Yeah. You get sent to Minneapolis because the government tells you to go. To go combat ice, your National Guard. And they say, go, You're a soldier.

[D]

You're still National Guard.

[B]

And they said, that's Dom is argument. Mike.

[C]

I'm asking a question. I agree with what she's saying about. Because it constitutes in the police world, where the cops do whatever they're told to do.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

I'm not. I'm not on soldiers. I'm just saying you're. You're now still sworn to the government, your National Guard, and they say you're going to combat ice. Your values are. I support ice. What do you do?

[B]

You're asking me, Mike, if you're asking me, dude, the fact that we even have to have that conversation. I agree. That's a problem. And that is the problem of the politicians once again.

[D]

All right, that's what we are saying. That's what we are saying. So let me give you my example. I'm a journalist. I won't say which channel, but I. I was offered a very, very lucrative salary and a project. And I declined for one reason. This particular channel only pedal Zionist propaganda. And I was like, you know what? I could be very rich and an Or I could do. You know what I love to do? Maybe not on that scale, but wake up every morning and not have any regrets. So similar. Similar decision for a soldier. I'm sorry. I know what. You love what you do. So do I. And I would love to be on Fox or CNN and, you know, spewing some freaking propaganda and getting rich out of it and saying, well, I love work every damn day. You know why, Jimmy? Because I love my job, but I declined and I will keep declining.

[B]

It's a very different proposition. When you got sold a bill of goods in 2002 and 2003 about fighting terrorists who attacked your country on September 11 and talking about getting paid by the state of Israel.

[A]

That's.

[D]

But no, no, no, no. Hold on. Let's talk about 911.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

Hang on. Let me make my point first and then we can talk about 9 11.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

By the time we all realized in 2007, 2008 that we'd all been lied to, we're already so deep in and we're so tied into the kids that are coming in, it's like, well, they're gonna go. I have most experience. I'm the one that can keep them alive. Now. I'm not making a decision about fighting for the military industrial complex. I'm making a decision about protecting this 19 year old because I want him to come home to his family.

[D]

Yeah. So again, you're kind of proving my point. So you kind of said, we realized that we were duped. Okay. If you realize we were duped, point was done it again.

[B]

We should get another job. That is very difficult for a human being to decide, I want to go do a different job when I want to keep this wet behind the ears baby alive to go home to his mommy and daddy.

[D]

I don't disagree. It's difficult. We never disagreed that it's difficult. But you have to do difficulty to get to the truth. I'm sorry, that's part of it. Like, it's very difficult for an American, even for a person that bakes muffins, dude. Like, you know, it's very difficult for him to leave a job, but if it's necessary, then you have to do it. You just have to do it. I think what it is, it's, it's a job.

[A]

Serving your country is, is as a young man, it's, it's presented to you. I don't know how maybe since, I don't think Since World War II have we been in a conflict that we didn't look back and go. Even now we're looking at World War II going the deep, deep, deep part of this podcast, we joke like, World War II was it, you know, who, what, what were we doing?

[D]

Orchestrated for sure. I, I can tell you, you're right. It was orchestrated. It was, it was a bunch of.

[A]

Exactly.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and you. Some would call that, you know, we have different ways to call it, but some might say it's Toxic masculinity. But I mean, when I was 20 years old, especially if I knew what I knew now, if you were like, hey man, you go over there some up get paid, it ain't your country. It's kind of like that's the mindset. And I'll speak for everybody, that's the whole reason why a 21 year old goes to Iraq or Afghanistan is to up and get paid for it. So Jimmy's story about wanting to care for a retarded 19 year old, I get it. That wasn't me though. I didn't care about that 19. I cared about me. I cared about my paycheck, my bonuses. I cared about how it was going to set me up for my future career because of all the accolades that come with being in the military on a resume. So I'll be the first one to say that was my mindset.

[B]

But now looking down my mindset going.

[A]

In, even 10 years ago, I was looking back and I was like, God, I cannot believe we were in that war. The things that we did. And then you look back like it's every single war. So I don't really. I think it's just the way war is presented to a young male.

[D]

You guys, you know us is very, very propagandized, right? So Jim, you said, well, we were kind of duped. We didn't know. But you kind of did know. Not you personally, but let me explain something. There was a guy named Daniel Ellsberg who actually told Americans, you probably have heard of him, to told Americans how we went on. We went in Vietnam on a lie. That should have been a good indicator for most Americans. Oh, wait a second. Rewind back. What, like Vietnam? We destroyed Vietnam. We killed so many Americans there. Wait, all that was on a lie? What? And then we had this weapons of mass destruction myth. While in England, Dr. Kelly is getting killed and it's all over the news. Why is he getting killed? Suicided, I should say. Because he said, well, I'm the weapons instructor in Iraq. There are no weapons of mass destruction. What the heck is Tony Blair's institution peddling here? It's absolute nonsense. And boom. Guy gets suicided. Well, you can choose to be educated as a soldier. Watch this on a national TV and make your own assumptions. Well, obviously this guy got killed because he said the obvious, which we already knew. There were a million people coming out in New York protesting this war. Yet I'm ready packing my bags to go and fight. What? You know, this is, this is where I make a decision. As a soldier, you know what? I love my country. I love my job. But I'm gonna find another job that I love because I'm not gonna be participant of effing up other people's countries and killing people for no good reason. And no one could justify, even back then why we went to Iraq. No one could justify.

[B]

First of all, two things can be true at the same time. Two things can be true. Number one, if you're going to say that we are heavily propagandized, you can't blame the kids for going, I want to join the army and go do a gunfight like Blackhawk down. Like, you, you, you. You can't. You can't equate that. You can't look at this and go, you should have known better, dude. Casas Bella has existed since the time of Rome and Greece.

[D]

Agreed.

[B]

Always the way that it works with government. It's always that way. So if. If you want to have a Cl.

[A]

A.

[B]

If you want to have a conversation about whether or not, you know, night. 18 and 19 year olds. 18 and 19 year olds don't even know to put on a jacket when it's 30 degrees outside. How do you expect them? Okay, so no, hey, you're being lied to about joining the military.

[D]

Yeah, for you. Two questions for you. Why is that? That 19 year old that is already practically an adult doesn't know this. Why?

[B]

First, I think it's a. I think what you're. You're getting down into is. Is more of an anthropology conversation, which is more about what it is to be a young man versus a young woman. Statistically, it is more dangerous for you to be a young man walking around on the street at 19 years old than it is to be walking around in Soccer City. That's just.

[D]

I would disagree.

[B]

I would disagree. I think that I can show you the statistics and I will cite Sebastian Younger's book War as my source.

[D]

So again, if your propaganda is into war, there are two parties to blame. One, the. The entity that is propagandizing you, which is in this case, your government. Right. And number two, yourself for not being smart enough to understand what's the propaganda and what not. Right? Other countries, if other countries can do that, you can too. So that's.

[A]

Number one, you were, I mean, you admitted yourself on this show that, you know, you were in a career field that at a young age that you realized was really toxic and you wanted no part of. But, I mean, to pack your bags overnight. Let's just take. I mean, I'm Assuming, you know, you do know that you, if you're one year into a five year enlistment, you can't just leave, right? You're talking about just ending your enlistment and never re enlisting again, right? When you talk about. Okay, but I mean, I don't know if it's a cultural thing about America because you, if you sat here and said the youth of America is retarded and it's America's fault, I would believe you, I would agree with you that we are 19 year olds. Kids now can't even, you know, they're just not like I was at 19 and 20 years before that. It wasn't like my dad.

[D]

Guys, I think we agree on most things. It's just, I understand Jimmy's desire to, to protect these young guys, but I think that is exactly what gives them this, you know, opt to play victim here and they shouldn't. Like, you know, Tucker Carlson came in on national TV and said, I can't believe I was the journalist who defended this wars. And since then he embarrasses himself all the time for, for a cause. Why, why is he doing that? He can just pretend I never said that. What are you talking about? You know, back then there was no YouTube or anything, so he can just pretend he never did it. But he doesn't because he wants these young people to understand, hey, listen, it's okay to take the blame. It's okay not to repeat the m. But you have to wake up. And if you play victim all the time, you're not gonna do that. I'm sorry, you're not gonna do that. You can just say, well, my big bad government did it. I didn't know better. What can I do? You know, that kind of stuff.

[B]

I, I, you're, that argument is well taken. I, I accept that one. Because I can look at my kid and go, let me tell you what I did for this country and let me tell you how I got repaid for it. And let me tell you what it was actually about versus what I was told it was about. I can do that. So now that my 16 year old is armed with that information, he can make a better decision if he still decides to join the United States army like his dad and his granddad and his great granddad and his great great granddad that he knew going in. And he has to understand that so I can look at him in 20 years and go, dude, I know exactly what you're going through. I've been through that. But I did warn you and nobody Warned me because my dad didn't know.

[D]

Yep. No, I. I agree with that. No one disagrees with that. But anyway. Yeah, so it's. It's bad, and it's not gonna get better because we just raised the. The military budget even more. So we are only gonna get, you know, down this rabbit hole farther and farther, unfortunately. What is this solution? I. You know, I don't know. Solution is to wake up for American people, I guess. Nothing else, so.

[B]

Well, I don't know that it's about waking up for the American people. I think it's about waking up for the people across the world that there is a group of old men and women who are directing our futures and the futures of our kids because they mean nothing to them.

[D]

Absolutely.

[B]

To fight these wars, which, I mean, you can go all the way back to World War I. It seems to be most. Almost always it's the western Europeans who seem to get us involved in these wars. And I mean, the. The amount of human carnage, but it doesn't ever affect them. Just like the ones. Just like the ones advocating that we fight in Ukraine. They're happy to have us fight their war.

[D]

Yeah, I would disagree. I would disagree. It. It used to be western Europeans. The. The epicenter changed. Now it's the US Driving the boat. And of course, it's, you know, logical when you are. Whatever cabal is out there that you want to call these bankers and financiers.

[B]

Well, can I. Can I ask you to. Yeah, say that one more time. So you think that this. This stuff with Russia is U. S. Based? Is that what you think, or did I hear you?

[D]

Yeah, UK UK And U. S. Based. Absolutely. And Europeans. Europeans got stuck in it, and they don't know what to do now. So I can explain this very easily.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Even with Iraq war, an advisor to President Bush, when. When the negotiations were going on with Tony Blair. Nixon. John Nixon was there. This is a former CIA guy who actually attended detox. He was like glorified biographer. Saddam Hussein worked for the CIA, so he was there. And every CIA officer that was part of these negotiations will tell you that we direct UK in this war. Tony Blair was literally on the phone saying, what? How am I supposed to justify this? What am I supposed to say? And Bush's answer was, I don't care. It said, we're going to war. That was Bush. So that was not UK Pushing us anywhere. And I would argue that since then, we've been pushing entire Europe into this conflict. I mean, Ukraine's intelligence is 100% handled by the CIA like the MI6 is as a cherry on top there. It's not MI6 driving the game. It is the. The United States CIA and its goons driving the Ukrainian war. Now what I would say is Zelensky had a great relationship with UK for a reason and Boris Johnson and so on. So it was like their little project as well. But make no mistake, it was us driving this plan because the whole thing is to attack Russia on all fronts. And the same was going on in Georgia, my birth country. Right. So CIA is very powerful there. It could extremely powerful. They are losing their power like they are everywhere else now because they tried like to conduct a revolution in last two years possibly 150 times and it didn't work out for them because Georgians looked at Maidan and what happened there and literally learned all CIA tricks step by step. They were like, okay, so this is what they did. That was the first phase of Maidan. We have to, we have to move like, you know, as, as they moved in Maidan, like step by step and put out fires as they occ. And they were successful. They actually maintained the government as it is now. And you know. Yeah, I mean, you, you do things long enough. What was it? Thebans? I think you do things long enough, you teach your enemies how you operate and.

[B]

No, no, that, that's, that's Napoleon. If you don't fight an enemy for too long, you'll teach him your entire art of war.

[D]

Exactly.

[A]

Let me ask you guys, let me ask you this. I mean, I know me and Jimmy and Mike kind of agree on most stuff. Proxy wars, whether or not we should be there, how we got there, it doesn't matter. Do you believe that proxy wars help us keep our spear sharp in a sense that if we're not like we are the, the military's. I don't want to say superpower because of this, but it really helps is that we have 20 plus years experience right now in modern day warfare. Do you think that these, these proxy wars that we continue to get into every generation are good and purposeful just to keep our military sharp in case we needed to go into a global conflict?

[D]

Is that question for Jimmy or me?

[C]

You.

[D]

Oh, no, absolutely not. And the Russia Ukraine war actually proved that so entire. Huh?

[B]

Oh, no, sorry.

[D]

Yeah. So Russia, Ukraine conflict, which actually was there in Russia. And so with my own eyes actually proved that entire mind force of what we've learned through these proxy wars was going down in Ukraine. All American specialists like, oh, well, let's do this. Let's do that. Well, you guys don't have the fighting power, so we'll. We'll give you the best, like, possible scenarios in terms of strategy. Guess where that went. Ukraine is partially annexed completely. So, yeah, obviously didn't help us at all. And Russians pulled off shit that no one anticipated. And these guys were not in any proxy wars. Like, at least not in. Not in the capacity that we were yet with the abilities they have for. What is their military budget? I can't remember exact number, but, like just tiny fraction of what we have they pulled off that we didn't think they were capable of. So where is the logic here? So all these dead men in proxy wars, all this money from American people, all that, and we couldn't help Ukraine? Do. Do is the answer.

[A]

I'm sorry, what do you think about. What do you think about America's new take peace through strength? Is it stronger the military we have, the less.

[D]

Okay, so can I say something controversial? I'm still figuring.

[A]

I didn't know you stopped.

[D]

So I'm still figuring this out, so. And Even I'm not 100 sure on this. I'm looking at Trump's actions and I'm trying to understand logic, if there's any in there. And I think I kind of know what's going on. So let's theorize. I know Jimmy loves this stuff. So let's talk about this. So he goes and kidnaps Maduro and literally.

[B]

Be very careful what you say next.

[D]

I absolutely will. So here's what. What's happening. Just few days before he comes out and criticizes Zielinski. He says, I can't believe Zielinski tried to bomb Putin's house. Like, you know, he. He sent the missiles there, tried to kill President Putin. I mean, it's one thing to fight the war, but it's whole another to, you know, attack guy in his own house. And then two days after he attacks the guy in his own house, kidnaps him. And it's like no double standard at all. No hypocrisy, no nothing. Right. But here's what I have to say.

[B]

Go on, go ahead.

[A]

Jimmy does that where he. He interrupts you and goes, go ahead.

[D]

Jimmy, I'm more than. You're more than welcome. Tell me what. What's up?

[B]

So you fell victim to one of the classic blunders, one of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia. Okay, so I won't call you a Putin apologist, but you certainly do take his side and his point of view, which, by the way, I can too. I can totally agree that he deserves. That the Russian Federation deserves to have control in their sphere.

[D]

Yeah, right. I don't take Putin's side. I take the right side. Let's make that distinction. And he happens to be on the right side. Whenever he's not. I'm more than happy to criticize him.

[B]

Fair enough.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Does. Does the Russian Federation have the right to push back against NATO encroachment in its sphere of influence and so does the United States.

[D]

Who said you never let me finish? Who said we didn't? So, okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is what I was trying to say. I guess I should listen. I mean, I guess I should finish before you chime in.

[B]

I'm so sorry. Which is why I did a mic.

[D]

No, no, you're good. If you have seen my. My ex, I actually wrote up how I justify a lot of what Trump did on my ex in a. And I'll explain why. So what Trump is doing right now, is that ideal? No. Should he do that? Absolutely not. But in the world that he's given right now, I think that was best of possible options, and I'll tell you why. So Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, and these neocon warmongers that will not hesitate to start a war in any corner, even if it benefits us. Doesn't. A hemisphere protection. All of that is bullshit. All they want is just conflict. World war, War. I mean, just look at John Bolton. Just a day ago, he comes out and says, well, you know what? Because he's mad at Trump now, he goes, you know what? Like, yeah, I don't agree with Trump, but sure, yeah, of course, more war. Like, you know, whatever. Whatever helps to weaken Russia. Like, absolutely delusional, guys. Like, okay, more word. Where? Fo. Where? What do you want? Like, explain to us exactly what you want. So of course these neocons and warmongers will keep pushing forward. What Trump did is shut them up with one action. They said, oh, wait a second. Do you have a problem with Maduro? Is he a dictator? Is he like, torturing his own people? Is he fake drug deal, whatever? You know, the shipping drugs in us. Complete bullshit, by the way. But let's say that was the deal. He shut them up with one action. Maduro is the problem. No problem. Let's take Maduro out. And he did. Now what?

[B]

Now what's going to be.

[D]

So, yeah, the point is that he too, she chose best of all options because the second option would have been a Wider war and troops on the ground, which would have been a disaster. So is that the ideal option? No, absolutely not. Because you can't kidnap, by any international law and principle, you can't kidnap other countries leaders, no matter how corrupted they are. You don't have the right to. That's what rule based order is. Now, if you still want to do that, right, if you still want to do that, you can come out and say, well, America no longer recognizes international law and standards. We stand by our, you know, our logic here and we're not going to recognize international standards alone anymore. So if you are acting naughty in Latin America, just know we are coming for you. See, if you say that, then I'm all for it. But here's the problem. He didn't say that. He still comes out and says, for everyone else, bro, you have to obey by international law that I myself dictated, but I don't have to. Now you're a hypocrite. Now you can be trusted. Now we are a clown. So I, as for American citizen, I don't want to be a clown.

[B]

Here, here's the first part of that problem, which is that the, the special military operation into Ukraine, which started under the Biden regime had nothing to do with Trump. And, and we can look at that and go, hey, it should have never started. Here's some issues with it. And I think you should stop, which is very, but I'm going to go by your own logic, which is that I have the right to do this. And actually Trump has been, to his credit and, and to his critics, great happiness has been like, I kind of understand why Putin did it, even though I don't think he should have. Like, I understand his logic. I mean, I'm paraphrasing the man, you.

[D]

Know, but I don't understand your point in terms of what's, has, what Venezuela has to do with Ukraine, completely different.

[B]

I'm getting there. So I'm giving you the groundwork. The proxy war that continues within Ukraine that you, you made the point. Well, like it's, it's, it's rules for thee, but not for me. According to Trump. Correct. When we look at this whole situation and we go, hey, there's an issue with what's going on in Ukraine, but I have to be able to deal with my own, which by the way, has to do with the fact that you are trying to drive the price of oil up, which hurts my own economy, and I am trying to drive the price down and stop interference in my own backyard, which you have Already said is what you're trying to do. But not for me.

[D]

You gotta explain this part. Who's trying to drive oil up? What does Venezuela has to do with that?

[B]

So, okay, the, the econ. The economic and an energy dependency of Western Europe which will drive the Russian economy because the price of oil is up. Because they get their, they get their oil from. And energy from where they get it from the Russian Federation. Correct. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

[D]

Okay, so we're not clear on this at all.

[A]

So I'm not.

[D]

Europeans. Yeah. Europeans used to get their energy resources from Russia. Now that is not the same. Nowhere near the same capacity. That's one. So what do you mean by drive energy prices up when you say that? It has nothing to do with the United States.

[B]

That has to do with.

[D]

Okay, so you're explaining Russia's case, not the United States. Okay, so go.

[B]

Russian Federation has a desire to keep the price of oil up for its own economic reasons. Yes or no?

[D]

I would disagree with that. What do you mean? Of course everyone wants to keep the oil up. I mean the, the resources.

[B]

The United States doesn't. President Trump.

[D]

No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Like if you're making an argument, then you have to make it wisely. Right? So here's the, here's the thing. So you eu always had the most lucrative deal with Russians. Always. Russia gave them the cheapest energy possible. That's why they couldn't go anywhere else.

[B]

That's 100% true.

[D]

Okay, so that made Russia naturally lie to Europeans. Now continue from there. What do you mean by drive prices up? Russia never drove any prices up for no reason.

[B]

What I said was, is Russia has an interest in keeping the price of oil high for its own ends. That's a fact. That's not some, that's not conjecture.

[D]

Yeah. What does that have to do with anything?

[B]

The fact that, I mean, and this is, this is the part that most people are not like most people that watch the show. They don't understand the deeper politics that you and me do. This is so complex and so hard to get your hands around that when you, when we look at why was Russia involved in Ukraine and why was it important? Well, probably because there's more oil in Ukraine than there is in Saudi Arabia. And keeping the price of oil high benefits the Russian Federation, who is involved in a four year special military operation. Who wants to be able to fight off.

[D]

No, I'm sorry, that's not the oil. Cause I will push back all day long and I can go for hours. So here, here's, here's the, here's what's going on here. Okay, so you want to break down Russia, Ukraine conflict. I can do it for you. Do you want to break that down and then get to Venezuela? Because.

[B]

Let's let the moderator decide. I can see.

[D]

Okay, let me tell you what, what's happening in Russia, Ukraine. Okay, so after Berlin Wall went down, Putin came out and they misquote him all the time on this. He said breaking Soviet Union apart was the biggest tragedy on Earth. And then he continued, but of course, Western sources just clipped that as if, oh, look at him. He misses Soviet Union. You know how that continues? He says, but whoever misses Soviet Union must. Must be crazy. If you miss Soviet Union, you must be crazy. That's how that continues. So what did he mean by that? I agree. Soviet Union, when it broke up, it was the biggest tragedy on earth. And guess what? I don't think it should have broken up. It was.

[B]

So you would rather have a binary world, which.

[D]

Not binary. I would rather have multipolar world. I would rather have multipolar world. And I would argue that that's better for Americans too. You. In fact, that's very good option.

[B]

I agree with you that you And I, we 100 agree on. The world was simpler when it was a bipolar world, when it was us versus the Soviets, and nothing happened outside of that. When the breakup of the Soviet Union caused the. The. The rise of a lot of people, including Al Qaeda and things like that. I can.

[D]

Well, but. But anyway, we can. We kind of caused. Al Qaeda funded them. Hillary Clinton said that crisis as well. So, yeah, so it's us who, who goes around and funds terrorist organizations. And then when they are no longer useful for us, guess what we do? We fight them. It's like we. We pretend we never created, never funded them. And we are like, well, we have new enemy, guys. More. More war, more guns. Come on. So. And Putin said that too. Putin came out and said 80% of all conflicts are caused by the CIA, period. Now here, here is where people just lose me with their illogical thinking when they say, like, oh, it must be fsb. Fsb. Fsb. Guess what? FSB is one entity and people don't.

[B]

Know what FSB is.

[A]

Elizabeth, Federal savings.

[D]

Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah. No, no. They know kgb. They don't know fsb.

[D]

Yeah, KGB has not been present, guys, for. Since I was born, so. So KGB doesn't exist anymore. Now it's fsb. And KGB was for all federal security.

[B]

Bureau, if I'm not mistaken.

[D]

Yes. So KGB was an intelligence agency for all Soviet Union, which means Ukraine, Georgia, Russia, all of that together. Right. So KGB was mainly obviously Russia, but KGB was everywhere, including Georgia. Now KGB broke up, now it's FSB, it's just Russian, Georgia has Coody and Saudi and other completely detached. So FSB is a highly crippled organization after World War II and after Berlin Wall. Okay, so now on the other side, you have the CIA, which is way more powerful, no doubt. You have MI6 alongside with the CIA. You have German intelligence that belongs practically to the CIA because they built it. After World War II, they. You know how Trump said I'm active president of Venezuela? We are literally running Venezuela. Well, guess what? I don't know how if that's true. But you know what's true? US Intelligence, CIA ran German intelligence for years after Berlin Wall went down. Another article that I put down on my ex, if you want the multiple books written about it. So we own everyone's, or if we don't own, we influence everyone else's intelligence. And somehow we propagandized Americans that FSB is the big bad monster. Explain logically how that's even possible. Let's say they were psychopathic maniacs. Let's say they are absolutely derailed psychopaths in fsb. Even if they were, they can't do against all of these agencies working together, sharing intelligence. Guess what they are not doing? They are not sharing intelligence with fsb. They are alone on the world horizon. Other than maybe, maybe China can chime in once in a while. Which by the way, is nowhere near the relationship between China, which it should be, but it's not a question though.

[A]

Hold where you are. No, you're good. We got to take a quick commercial break. Two and a half minutes. Everybody go recharge. Jimmy, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna cut under your eye, let that blood spill out. So you're back in the fight.

[B]

You are first neck you, dude.

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We'll be right back.

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[A]

I think you made you.

[D]

Where did you go? Oh, no. Did we lose him?

[C]

Jimmy quit.

[A]

No.

[B]

Patching up.

[D]

I thought you were in.

[B]

I had to. I had to go. I had to go get my eye cut.

[D]

I see. Okay.

[B]

You got me. I. You know, what round is it?

[D]

So I have some interesting stuff that I need to tell you. Okay, Let me.

[A]

Hold on. I think. I think Jimmy. Jimmy had I cut.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Okay, Go on, Jimmy.

[B]

About. Oh, I forgot where we were at.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Went and took a leak and like, I gotta get ready to go for round two.

[A]

Boy.

[D]

Go on.

[B]

What'd you say, Mike?

[C]

I said, oh, boy.

[D]

We were waiting on you, Jimmy.

[B]

You had a. Yeah, I don't remember where we were at.

[D]

I mean, like, you were talking about how people are so scared of fsb, but I was saying that it's actually. FSB is nothing compared to merge the intelligence agencies that CIA has under. Under their sum. So.

[B]

So we. We live in a. In a completely different world now here within the. The. The greater scheme of the world. And the reality is one day we went from having NATO. Right, Right. NATO had a big bad enemy because we. We were really talking about a binary world. Right. Where it was. It was us versus the Soviets. Right? Yeah.

[D]

And.

[B]

And your argument was that the worst thing that happened was this. The fall of the Soviet Union.

[D]

It was a bad thing. Yes, absolutely.

[B]

I agree with you. Not because I like the Soviets.

[D]

Nobody likes Soviets. But Andy, you know, no one. No one says that. But what I think is what we are. We are agreement in is that that guaranteed multipolar world. Not just binary, but also multipolar world in a way. And that was easier and people had options. And now we are under just one global cabal that is now somehow fighting Russia, United States.

[B]

That's a global cabal. Is it really?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. The. The head of the. The. The head of the cabal is definitely in the U.S. but it's everywhere. I mean, UN is a cabal. I mean, every time they have to make a decision, guess what they do. These are completely different countries. You would think that Germans have different interests than Italy. You know, I mean, given they are different people, they have different interests, but their leaders get together and make merge decisions as one mafia bosses without consulting with their own people. And this is why you see so many protests in France, why their ratings are down to almost zero. Because that.

[B]

I agree with that. First of all, I. I don't think you can sit here and say that it is a cabal of the United States. My argument has and continues to be that the war in Ukraine against the Russians has to do with a couple of things. Number one, it's the western European powers that are very happy to let Ukrainian and Russian infantrymen die at the hands of American and. And Russian weapons because that feeds the military industrial complex. And they have no. The western Europeans had no skin in the game. They don't care.

[D]

What do you mean?

[B]

And just to your point, they. You. You said it. They are very, very happy to be a mafia, not care. Get together and make their own decisions for their own little powers where the United States has become the protector and the footer of the bill. But we're the ones that are actually getting. Yeah, and I can prove that because of the whole Greenland thing. We. You're telling me that Russia is the problem? You. You in the Western Europe. Europe, you think Russia is the problem? Well, we need to secure Greenland. Oh, no, you can't do that. Don't do that, Trump. That's a bad way to go.

[D]

We agree on everything, Jimmy, except for one thing. This is our cabal, the U. S. Cabal. And I'll explain why. So, yeah, get this. You just said protector and provider. Well, if you are protector and provider in the family, it is your family. You. You are the men of the family.

[B]

We're the ones that are getting ratcheted into this war that we.

[D]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You never got ratcheted in any war. This is the beauty of it. Ever. Unless the ones that you started, I'll explain to you. So take World War II. Where was the United States in World War II? Oh, wait a second, wait a second. Hold on, hold on. They got at the end when everything was over. Hold on. So you know how much men you lost? 200,000. You know how much Soviet Union lost? Look it up. The numbers are right there. 27 million.

[B]

So you suck at war.

[D]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but we are not going to even.

[C]

There's some other controversial math during that time.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Here comes Mike.

[D]

No, no, hold on.

[C]

Look up the numbers, Something like that.

[D]

I don't know. Yeah. So very simple. The United States. It's a fact. Fact. The United States got into this war at the end, before they got into this war, guess what they did. They funded Nazis through Union Bank. Also effect. Guess who was in the leadership funding Nazis in Union Bank. That was Avril Harriman. And the name that you know really well. Prescott Bush. Who's by the way. Yes. Whose grandchild and child.

[B]

There was also some Kennedys involved. Don't leave them out.

[D]

Kennedy's. No, no, no. Kennedy's never funded Nazis. If you can tell me. If you can tell me one candidate that funded Nazis. I don't know.

[B]

Kennedy was an. Kennedy was the ambassador to the UK who was very apologetic toward the Nazis and was eventually relieved.

[D]

Yeah. But again, they. Kennedy's name is never. At least not that I could find. And I'd done six years of investigation on Kennedy family, so I, I don't think I would miss that. But I could be. I mean, if you could find.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Even one document that says that they found. Yeah, I would be very.

[B]

No, no, I didn't say fund.

[D]

But yeah. So anyway, the US sits over on the other side of the ocean, knows that it's happy and it's like absolutely intact and funds Nazis while also aiding with food and other, you know, goods to Soviet Union. Why? Because it's in their own interest to have these people murder each other, slaughter each other. And then the bankers from the US would get in with through their Marshall Plan and take over pretty much everything in Europe. That's exactly what happened. That's exactly what happened.

[B]

You and I are arguing so far beyond so many people. So I was talking about Joseph Kennedy.

[A]

Joe Kennedy again.

[D]

Joseph Kennedy had multiple different businesses, like, but he never got involved with Nazis. Absolutely never.

[B]

So he was, he was absolutely a. A Hitler apologist. Or maybe not a Hitler apologist, but certainly had pro German leanings at that time. I was actually trying to help your point.

[A]

So one thing I wanted to do.

[D]

I want to do in the beginning when Hitler came to power, just FYI, everyone was pro Hitler. You know why? Because he actually blubbered some good, good stuff. Like he was talking about, you know, we, we need better living standards. We, we need to rebuild our military. I mean, people, people were all for it. They thought he was great until he went completely crazy. Nazi. Right. But what I'm talking about is a very interesting fact. Union bank continued funding Nazis even when the US got into war. And you know what happened? Their assets were confiscated under Trading with the enemy act by the state. So just let that sink in for a second. President of the United States, its grandfather funded Nazis against its own country that was in war with the Nazis. I mean, let that think in for a second. Sink in in your head for a second. So this is the United States and their strategy. It's been our strategy forever. So we are the top dog. We are the father of that cabal over in Europe. This is why when we blew up their pipelines, Nord Stream pipelines, they not only didn't do anything if they were their own cabal, think about this. If they were independent owned cabal that just did whatever they wanted and dragged poor United States in the war, then what do you think would happen? After pipelines, we doomed their economy with one move. Literally blew up entire German economy with one move. And none of them dared to say anything. You know why? Because they knew who the daddy was.

[B]

And they knew.

[A]

Who is the daddy.

[D]

The US Is the daddy. That's why. Mark Ruta. Quiet.

[B]

Say it again, say it again.

[D]

US is the daddy. That's it. So now, now you see Macron looking for a different daddy, right? Looking into China and so on. Because here's what happened. Let me, let me recap this whole thing. Okay, so after World War II, the US knows what the outcome will be, which is completely devastated Europe, which will need money to rebuild and all. Well, the same logic goes here. Even though back in the day was not blackrock, it was a Marshall Plan through which we pretty much enslaved Europe. And we did more than that by the way. Have you ever heard of Operation Gladio?

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah, what was Gladio? Do you wanna, do you wanna explain to people?

[A]

I'll let Jimmy do it because I'll, I'll confuse people with my, with my knowledge on the subject.

[D]

Go on, explain Gladio. Because that pretty much explains who the daddy will it was.

[B]

Oh my God. All right, well yeah. I mean first of all, Jimmy with no. Oh no. So Operation Gladio. The only reason I know about this by the way, is because my dad patrolled the east West German border when he was a 20 year old cavalry scout.

[D]

Good. At least you know most of what Gladio is.

[B]

Operation Gladio was just a leave behind mission. If the, the Soviets overran the the first, second and third.

[D]

Did you just read that in Google?

[A]

The gap?

[D]

Okay, let me explain what Operation Gladio was. Operation Gladio was a secret army. Secret NATO and CIA, by the way. CIA, NATO armies, U. S. Armies that were secretly. This is what I Just said, no, no, no, let me. Well, it was not just leave behind armies. It was a secret little units of special ops and psychotic people and so on, like left behind. And the reason was they deluded Europe and people in the United States in power that oh, you know what? We need those little armies just in case Europe ever needs protection. The usual myth that they tell you every single time that you have enemy and you need protection. The usual bullcrap. Okay, so Europe agreed because they were absolutely fed this lie from the same intelligence agencies again. Think of this. What is an intelligence agency? It's your source of understanding where your enemy is technically like mindset, all of that. That is literally intelligence agency's job to tell you whether someone's prepping a war, an attack or whatever, right? So imagine this corrupt intelligence agency lying to you, saying that Soviets are going to invade. If you don't do that inconveniently, why don't you have our armies secretly stationed in your countries? And you know what's the best part of this Gladio operation? It's not that they told this to the leaders of the country. They secretly made a deal with the military leaders of the country and the primary ministers and the President had no idea. How is that even possible? You would ask, right. Very possible when you are corrupt as hell. So what they did is they left this army behind. And then these armies taught like gravels in Turkey and other places how to torture people aligned with terrorists, caused civil wars, the absolute mayhem of conflicts in Europe. And finally they got outed because of their behavior. And they were like, what the heck is going on? And I think it was a Belgium leader. I can't remember.

[B]

Okay, we, we, we gotta, we gotta pull it back, man. Like I, I understand exactly what you're saying, but we are talking at a postgraduate degree level.

[A]

Oh, Jimmy, you can't, you got. I can't listen to that anymore.

[D]

You want me to finish the story of Gladio?

[B]

I mean, you've laid it out very specifically. Yes, we, we have.

[D]

Yeah, but it gets worse.

[B]

It gets worse that are now being utilized for something else. I, I've heard this argument. I know. What.

[D]

No, it was always, it was always real quick.

[A]

We're gonna, we gotta save time at the end because we've had some people wanting us to ask you your take on things that really have nothing to do with what we're talking about right now. But what's, what's. Let's try and keep it subject based. As far as Jimmy's kind of right in the sense that we gotta, like, keep it like this. So that way people are jumping in live and they're trying. And I'm trying to keep people in what's going on.

[D]

So the point is, Jim made a point. Who is the main force behind this cabal? I'm saying that the United States is, because it has been always the main infiltrator of the gladiator of these networks. You can't blame Europeans who can't even protect their own selves and say they are the main cabal and drive us towards. That's why I'm saying this stuff. You have to know the history to know that Europeans are nobodies. Here's.

[B]

Here's what I. I don't disagree with you, but I. Here's what I want you to understand. Like, it's really easy to go. It's America, it's the U.S. it's the U.S. we're so. We're so desensitized to hearing that it's the US that we don't hear it anymore. What you really need to do is be very, very specific about the organization within the US which is either the Central Intelligence Agency, which has its own ends outside of the elected officials, the military industrial complex that has its own end outside the elected officials, or people in politics who have their own ends outside of what is good for their constituents. Those are the people. And it's not. When you sit outside, when you're in Georgia, it's easy to go, oh, it's America doing that?

[D]

No, not in Georgia. I'm in the US I've been here forever. And it's actually not that easy. It's actually the hardest part freaking thing on earth to say it's the U.S. you know why? Because of the setup. Let me explain. I always say that the US Is much more corrupt than North Korea. And people are like, what? Yes.

[B]

I don't.

[D]

You know why? North Korea lies on one dictatorship, one family, one person. Take him out, and North Koreans will find liberty and peace. You can't do that in the United States because you have have multiple heads of the dragon. You take one, another one will eat you. So that's why Kennedy got killed. Kennedy realized that. I'm fighting the metrics here. I'm not just fighting the CIA. I'm fighting the bankers intertwined with the CIA, who, by the way, created the CIA. I'm fighting the military industrial complex that is not just CIA. It's osi, it's military, it's Navy, it's all of that. Okay? Which battle you want to fight. This is why it's actually not. Not easy to say it's the United States. It is overall, but again, it is multiple different heads of the same dragon. And this is why when United States was built, it was built under a brilliant model, but it was hopeful, optimistic. Let me explain what I mean by that. Somehow our founding fathers, they actually knew this. It just. I think they hoped for the best. They knew that to corrupt an entity set up according to the Constitution and the structure that us has, it's going to be really hard. But if you find the ways to do so, it's going to be three times harder to reverse that corruption. And that's where we are now. It's not just one branch that's corrupt. It is literally every single one of them. And then you have to fight all that. Guess what? Russia is Putin and six more men. That's it. That's it. And once they are out, Russia's entire course will change. Maybe, in my opinion, for March, you'll get much hardliners. I think Putin is honestly the blessing right now for us. If he's not out there and someone else is in power in Russia, we are going to see a devastation in Europe. But forget that for a second. It's much harder to clean up the country set up as the United States is. It's very, very complex. It's very complex. And that's why most people.

[B]

Yeah, here's, here's the thing. This is, this is why, like. So the, the, the Antihero podcast is sort of the gateway drug for people who are regular people who. They're used to getting spin left and right.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And we're, we're, we're funneling them in slowly. We're getting them hooked on the drug of, like, this is way more complex than people are making it for you. And we've got to pull them in. This is the kind of conversation that you and I need to have, like, at an. Either on your show or, or somewhere else, because we've. I. And what I'm trying to do is try to keep it entertaining without going too deep.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And, and that's. That is very difficult because sometimes, like, some guys are like, dude, my eyes are glazing over. I have no idea where this conversation is.

[D]

Yeah. Because you just told me, like, hey, you gotta give me details if you're gonna say us. I gave you details now. Yeah, no, no, we gotta stage it.

[B]

I agree. I agree with you. I agree with you. What I'm, I'm I'm. I'm giving. I'm giving you that point and going. These are the. I'm teeing you up to something else. Like, I'm. I'm literally passing the puck to you, and you're. You're.

[A]

Yeah, we'll. We'll get back on track.

[D]

Yeah. You ask questions, I'll answer.

[A]

How about that one quick question?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

All that fancy stuff aside, why is, you know, if the United States is so bad, I'm. Distinction is bad. But why does everybody want to come here? Why is this.

[D]

So that's a myth, by the way. That. That is a myth created. So I'll tell you why. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's a myth created for everybody. And, you know, it's so funny how deluded American people are in some ways. And I'll explain what I mean by a myth. So America had Hollywood create this myth that in the United States, everything is so. Well, everything is so good. And every single immigrant that I met, in fact, I met yesterday. Yesterday. One of them from Belarus, I think so they were like, you know, America knows how to sell bag of Cheetos as this beautiful, beautiful castle. Right. Which is true. It's absolutely true. They come here, they sell everything they own. They come here and they realize that it's a grind. It is nowhere near Hollywood. It is none of that bullshit. It is just another country trying to survive. But here's the. Here's the hard part here. Two things play in. In consideration here that we need to take. One human mentality. Once they gave up everything, all their money, say they sold their house, their car, everything, and they came here with that money, and they spend it, and they don't know what to do. Well, guess what they do. They shut up and continue. If you're going through hell, keep going, is the answer right? You don't stop there. That's one. A lot of immigrants feel this way, and I don't know how many you talk to, but for somebody who's also an immigrant, my case is slightly different. I always say this. I'm very lucky in many ways of how my entire life turned out lucky and something else, too. But most immigrants don't feel that way. Most immigrants are hardworking. Most immigrants are, okay, we were sold. This myth that it's not like that. But for you to understand that, you have to actually go and talk to them. And I've done that. And most of them will tell you it's nowhere near what they thought it would be.

[A]

You said anything controversial that would have been the sentence before you prefaced it with, I'm about to say something controversial.

[C]

Well, I just don't see any Cubans getting on rafts and going back. I don't see Mexicans.

[D]

Again, again, your area, which you're talking.

[C]

About coming from, where you're coming from, you probably talk to more people from Europe. But when you talk about Cuba, South America, Latin America.

[D]

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. I would agree with that.

[C]

Nobody's going back.

[D]

Well, I shouldn't say nobody, but, yeah, many people are not. And I'll tell you why. Because they are coming from.

[A]

Who went back? Did anybody go back? I'm curious. Yeah, voluntarily went back.

[D]

So I love this question. You know why? Because I feel like. I'm glad you asked, because I feel like not many Americans ask, and they are very deluded into thinking their country is so amazing. No one ever goes back. Well, let me tell you something. People who come here are extremely broke. And then you have to ask question, why are they broke? Well, most of the time. Hold on to your point to Latin America. Who up? Latin America. I wonder who killed Alande.

[A]

I gotta do it. I gotta say the thing. Well, I'm gonna press on this. All right? So when we ask you a question like, why does everybody come here and why don't they leave? We get a history on who up? Latin America. Like, we might as well go back to 1942.

[D]

Okay, so here is the. Here is again. You want to know the answers? Here are very simple answers. So there was a senator. I can't remember his name, but no, no, hold on, let me explain. If you want. If you want, it's very simple. When you're broke and your country offers nothing because he's been invaded and completely decapitated, you will go wherever you can. So you're not the only country. You're not the only country that has a lot of immigrants. You know who else does? Europe.

[C]

Running around with machetes, killing people. And the government can't keep them under control.

[D]

So here's the thing again. I agree with immigration that I'm not happy with it. But you didn't ask a question if I was happy with it. You asked the question, why are the immigrants coming in in the United States?

[C]

Why are they not going back? If you don't like it, go back.

[D]

Many of them are going back. No, no, no. Many of them are going back. So here's the thing. The people who have money for the.

[A]

People going back, I know a lot.

[D]

Of them who went back. I know Russians who Went back. I know, I know Germans who went back. But you never hear their story. You know why? Because they are not bitching about it. What they do is they have ton of money. They come in, they realize, oh, well, you know what?

[C]

People who can afford to go back and forth. Rich.

[D]

Yes, those are people who can afford to go back and forth. They're already rich. No matter what country they live in, they're well off.

[C]

No matter where they live, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, they're going to be well off. I'm talking about regular people that can't. Don't have millions of dollars to go back and forth with. Why aren't the people walking in?

[D]

So you're asking me why poor people?

[B]

Asking you a question.

[C]

You're giving me history. I'm saying why is our country full of immigrants, people pouring over the border? The point we had to build a wall, but it's a. You know why nobody wants to be here.

[D]

Yeah. So here, very simple. I'm explaining that to you. The only people who stay are the poorest people who've got nothing in their countries. Nothing.

[C]

Immigrants are poor, nasty people. They have nothing else.

[D]

That's not what I said. No one says. Do you disagree, Michael? Right. I'm asking one question. Do you disagree that rich people typically go back and forth or just, you know, they visit the United States? Okay, so then do we, do we disagree that poorest people flood the United States? Otherwise they would have paid for lawyers and come in legally, the illegal ones.

[B]

So they're poor.

[C]

If they can afford to pay for the lawyers, they'll come in. And if they're poor, they'll come in. So which one is it again? They would pay money to come in.

[D]

You're saying. Then define the question, man. So are you saying, are you saying.

[C]

Why they are saying people coming into.

[D]

The country because people who are staying in the United States. Most of the time. Most of the time. Exceptions are everywhere. Are the ones who've got nothing going on in their countries. They are poor and broke. No, not Americans. Better. America has more loopholes, dude. This is what's going on right now. You know why? You know why America offers them that it doesn't even open to offer to its own citizens, which is.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, why don't you, why don't you, why don't you get put up in a freaking hotel for like, I don't know, half a year and we'll pay you. This is my point.

[C]

For me, that's why.

[D]

Because it's a better country. No, no, no. I Dude, if we gonna answer the questions, let's be honest. They come in because they get a handout, period. They come in because they get a handout.

[A]

That's fair.

[D]

Hold on until they are kicked out in Colorado streets, which I'm happy to provide a video of how they were taken care of for like a half a month, sometimes a month. And then they are kicked out in the streets and say, well, sorry our aid ended. Now fend for yourself. And this is why we see crime shoot up. This is why we see all this. And guess what? When we asked me and Ivory hacker went down to Colorado again, you can see this on my ex as well. Went down to Colorado with microphones and asking these people, well, what are you going to do now? Now they kicked you out of the hotel. These are the same immigrants you say love America so much. You know what they say? Well, we can't go back anymore. They broke shitloads of laws, they sold everything they owned and they can't even leave Colorado. This is why they stay. So another opt here is that you have ginormous amount of people coming in when they are at brink of poverty in other countries like Latin America. But they are not that poor. So they are extremely poor. So they actually come on visas, they overstay, they don't cross the borders, they overstay and then they try to get their citizenship. Well, you know how much that costs? That costs somewhere around 50 plus thousand dollars. All these people in other countries where $50,000 equals two bedroom apartments, they sell everything, they leave everything behind and they come here. And when, what are you gonna do when you own nothing?

[A]

I just.

[D]

When you spend all your assets into this, you have, you just made that option. You're gonna stick around and you're gonna build a life and we can do. I'll offer you a test. I will offer you a test. We can do a public poll when we give these options to why they stay. And I bet you none of them will say it's because it's the greatest country on earth.

[A]

Well.

[C]

You'Re right. Hold on.

[A]

The, the, the, the issue here is that this isn't like a, like our, the people watching. I don't. I want to make sure that they're not getting the wrong message from what you're saying. Because what me and Mike and all these people are hearing is that the first hour kind of like was like on America.

[D]

No.

[A]

And then a lot of people don't understand, like how can you not be proud of a country that you moved to bettered your life currently still live in it didn't matter.

[B]

My life.

[D]

My life was exactly what it is. So here's what people. This is why I don't like this kind of. And you know, when I was in Georgia, I never do this to Georgian immigrants. Like when people who. People who move to Georgia and they complain about something about Georgia, you know what I do? I listen. I'm like, dude, this is great perspective. I'm all ears. Like, what can you tell me me, right? I never do. Oh, you don't like Georgia. Get out of here. You are a little sad person when you say that because you don't want to understand. So here, here's what I'm gonna say on America is nothing. It has nothing to do with that. So if you want logical answers, I'm giving you logical answers. Why do people come in here? Latin America is in shambles. It's in. If you have been there, you would know that. Why isn't. Because our corporations destroyed their livelihood and said. When I mentioned Senator, he actually explained it in one sentence. Okay. He said he was opposing wars, he was opposing overthrows in Latin America. He explained why this creates ton of immigrants that will flood America. And he didn't want to do that. This is in 50s, guys. So he explained why he didn't want to destabilize Latin America because we would see a flood of poor immigrants flooding in and not living and not going anywhere. So to that you know what he got on. On Senate stage, he got. You know what? If you don't like our country so much, why don't you get out? You know what his answer was? Oh, so that I can become a victim of your foreign policy. This is American senator saying that I can become. I should get out from the country because I. So that I can become a victim of your foreign policy. Because that's the option. The option is.

[A]

But I mean, we are. We are a global superpower. We do.

[D]

We are a global superpower. Yes.

[A]

And we, you know, but I feel like.

[D]

Tyler, global superpower. Don't have global superpowers. Don't have pharma that eats you alive. Don't have corrupt banking.

[A]

We don't have our own domestic issues. That's. Sure, sure. I'm positive. We have tons of demand.

[D]

How are we the best country in the world? I always.

[B]

I can answer that question.

[C]

What country doesn't have corrupt banking? Tell me where I go. That's China.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Where do I. Where do I go?

[D]

What do you mean?

[C]

I couldn't hear country doesn't have a corrupt banking system or some type of corruption in their government. Where is the perfect country that has none of that? Because America is the worst.

[D]

There is no perfect country. It's to a degree. It's to a degree. There is no perfect country.

[C]

China.

[A]

Better.

[D]

China is not better. But yeah, Switzerland is better. Germany used to be better. I'm sorry but Germany used to be better.

[A]

I'm pretty sure.

[D]

Let me. If we are going to. Okay guys, we can't just do K. You have your caviar cake and needed to. If we're gonna do comparison then I'm giving you countries that are better. Okay, great.

[C]

All white, blue eyed people. Switzerland is great. That's what it is. You have to like.

[D]

I will give you, I will give you. I will give you another example. I will give you another example. You know what's better and freer country of Georgia where I come from.

[C]

Okay, so two.

[D]

Absolutely. So yeah, medical, medical services. Like God forbid anyone experienced this. My mom had cancer. Like she didn't even have to bother about anything. Everything was paid for immediately. She, she had the best smoothest freaking procedure as you can have through cancer. That's one. Banking industry. Banking industry, economy. Are we talking about that or not? You just ask me who's better country of Switzerland.

[A]

I just have a general question. A general question. I'm going to be the voice for the chat. Yeah, I'm going to be a voice for the chat. Why do you stay in the United States over Georgia except.

[D]

Very simple. Very simple. I explain this a lot. So when we talk about the best country for who it is very subjective. So I don't see objectively. No, I can say objectively that best country in the world. I would say probably still some of the European countries are the best setup countries in the world. That that's why they are the happiest. And they have, you know, a year of maternity leave paid and all that and like a half a year of fraternity leave and stuff like that which is like allows you to stay with your baby without Sweden, for example. My friend lives in Sweden.

[B]

First of all, trying to make the argument that any of the countries that have a population that is not nearly as diverse and certainly not even in the tenths of percentile of the same amount of people is suspicious argument. We got to stop right there. If you're going to judge the United States, you need to judge the United States for what it is, not what you'd like it to be. With a tenth of the population, number.

[D]

One, I'm not sure what you're asking. You just asked me to judge. I'm talking.

[B]

You're talking about what? What countries were better. Okay. US Cannot say. Oh, well, Sweden is better because of this, this, and this. Without addressing the core demographics of just basic, like, how many people live there, dude, like, people that live in France can drive to Germany. They don't understand how big.

[D]

So again, now you're asking for a different thing. Now you're asking.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

You brought up the argument point. I'm staying on point.

[D]

Okay. Very simple. So you first asked me to name countries that have a better setup where people are happier. I just did. I gave you. Other than Switzerland, I actually gave you an eight.

[A]

Yeah, 80.

[D]

I just get. I just gave you. I just gave you an example of Georgia, which is an ex Soviet country and by any means it should be.

[A]

Country that you don't even want to be at anymore.

[D]

That's not true. Who said that? I own a program.

[A]

I know you like to spend the summers there, but I. I believe that's because you have way more opportunity here and you just don't want to say that.

[D]

So. So very simple. I'll explain the weather better. No, it's awesome. So if you want to hear, I can. I can talk, actually, and this is awesome.

[A]

I will say that I've only talked a couple times. You've talked about 85 of this. So we're asking.

[D]

I mean, you can go on.

[A]

We're asking questions. So a general, like a more generalized reason. And now we're getting to it. So I appreciate. I appreciate you now. Like, kind of like. Okay, go ahead.

[D]

So, number one, my life didn't get better in the U.S. it was exactly what it was. Always. I have a great setup in Georgia. I have a great setup in here. My Georgian friends always ask me why I don't go back. When I go back. I always say that, you know, most Americans, guys can't afford what you afford. This tiny little country of Georgia that can afford a luxury gym, travels more and, you know, it's like 21 owns a house. Like, how is that fair? I always say, and my friends answer, why don't you come back to Georgia and live here? Very simple. I don't align with culture there. Very simple. So is American culture better? No. Is it worse? No. Here is. Here is my explanation.

[A]

Just better for you. But you tell.

[D]

Exactly. That's it. That's it. So again.

[A]

I mean, you can't. You can't sit there and lecture. 162 live viewers on how America's not better. But you're like, but it's better for me, but it's not better for you.

[D]

Again, I don't think you want to understand my point. So my mom was here. My mom was here for six months. Culturally different is not better or worse. Culturally different. Please understand. So Dubai is great. Can I live in Dubai? No. Because I can't stand Muslim culture, period. This is what I mean. So here's the thing. Culturally different is not better or worse. It's just different. So you can't claim that you are better than Dubai. People somehow level up or something. Or you're worse. You can't claim that. Or Dubai cannot claim that. Oh, you know what? Culturally we're better than U. S. Like, who's to say? So my argument here is very simple. When my mom was here, she couldn't last more than six months. She would, she jetted out because she's very Georgian cultured woman. She, she likes culture there. She's happy, she loves whatever. I was never part of their culture. I, I never is like, how do I say this? Assimilated with Georgian culture.

[A]

Because you live there for 18 years and you never assimilated with Georgian culture.

[D]

I never felt like I was.

[A]

Probably because you were looking across the pond going, holy, I want. At 18 years old, I'm moving there. So that's why you never adopted Georgian culture. Could that be a possibility?

[D]

No. So again, so my, my English teacher was an American called Kengo off and he felt completely opposite. He was like, georgia is my home. I want to die here. I want to be buried here. And it's funny how that works because you would think, well, how is that American who's like super well off in the U.S. in New York, came to Georgia and wants to marry a Georgian woman and stay and die here, Then what you gonna say, Tyler? Is it because Georgia has way more opportunities than us? No, because he freaking liked the culture. And in fact, I'm going to a Supra in a month from now. Who's a typical American, really well off, who implemented this? I'm not going to go into what supra is, but implemented this Georgian cultural element in North Carolina and he always says Georgia is the answer. This is the best country in the world. American. So what do you say to that, American? He's lying too. No, he doesn't.

[A]

Because why I think you're, you're big on analytics and data, I'm sure. Could you actually report your independent journalism? So I would like to know And I know you do not have them, but I would like to know the amount of people that have generally visas for Georgia and America. That's it. There's got to be tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands.

[D]

Number one, Georgia is.

[A]

I want to know where they're predominantly country because your English teacher is the one person that made from America. So it's kind of like saying, like, I'm saying I don't want to live in America. I want to live in Georgia because it's like a vacation spot.

[D]

He lives there. He wants to be buried there. He's a. He's quote, not mine. So anyway, now you're arguing that, oh, my gosh, how can. How can American want to live in Georgia? See, that's the illusion of, like, America is the best country. You can believe that if you want. But you just asked me why I moved here. I gave you an honest answer. It's not economy. It is not opportunity. It is the culture for me. And you're not gonna like what it is. You're not gonna like if I explain that better because that's gonna completely, like, derail your understanding of how things.

[A]

No, I don't think it is. We talk about countries that we'd love to go to all the time. Mike talks about wanting to go live in.

[D]

Always different. Leave is different. Always different. I've been in ton of countries about.

[A]

Wanting to podcast from there, live a life of luxury.

[D]

Where? Where?

[C]

Bali.

[D]

Bali. Okay. Why would you want to go to Bali if US is so great?

[C]

Because it's cheaper.

[D]

Thank you. That's all I'm saying. So it's more affordable, isn't it?

[C]

I made my money in the United States. I retired from my job, and I was like, let me go somewhere where.

[D]

You know, Michael, great. But isn't that sad when you have to leave your country to actually spend your retirement? It is. It is. Because if it was a great country, you would not have to retire. You can retire in Florida Keys, but you can't.

[C]

49. I'm retired. I never have to work another day of my life.

[B]

Life.

[D]

Yeah. So. Well, a lot of people in overseas don't have to work another day in their lives, but they actually have get to stay in their own country and doesn't have to leave.

[C]

I said I would like it. Obviously, there's better. I like the weather better. It's not culture. It's not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which country would you say is better out of the two of them, even if you move there?

[C]

America. Yeah.

[A]

You can't gamble American pride. Elizabeth, I think that you think American pride is brainwashed. You think all these guys that are proud of me, brainwashed?

[D]

No, I think American, like exceptionalism is brainwashed. But American pride can never be brainwashed. So here's what I under. Here's how I understand it. No matter how your country is, you should love your country more than anything. That's how I understand it. Even if it was a shithole, it's your freaking country. If you chose it to be yours, then you have to love it no matter what. Okay? That's number one.

[B]

Say that in moon landing units.

[D]

Yeah, so? So, but you objectively asked me a question. If America is the greatest country. I said no, because objectively I don't think it is. Now then you asked me a question. Why are you here? I asked, I answered very honestly because culture fits me here. And then instead of asking what is exactly that culture that you like, you went on why? I wouldn't like why is Georgia not the ultimate option?

[A]

What country do you claim is yours?

[D]

United States of America. That's why I let go my passport of Georgian citizenship, because I had to make that choice. And who convinced me, by the way, was Tucker Carlson. You know, we talked about this. Georgia always has a special place in my heart. I think it's a special country. I think it's an exceptional country. It's one of the oldest and one of the biggest fighter culture ever. And it is somehow managed from Soviet Union to become this full blown better than European country where their citizens are taken care of in this 3 million small, tiny little countries still managed during COVID to extract all their citizens from all the oppressive countries and fly them into United States, sorry, into into Georgia without any hindrance. Smooth operation. I've never seen that done, even by Switzerland. I'm sorry, but I haven't. So what they manage during COVID kind of woke me up of how Georgian government operated and what they really could do. But forget that aside. Now let's talk about the the United States of America. Okay. What is about this culture that I really like? Most people don't like what I like about the US I like that friendships here are a little bit distant. In Georgia, friendships are super tight. So your best friend knows freaking everything about you. It's a small country. Everyone knows everything. Everyone is in your business. Everyone. You know, you can't get away without one person knows you. Everyone knows you. Again, it's a very small European country. I don't like the dynamics. I like my privacy. I like to be just by myself. Left alone. I'm not a person who likes big.

[A]

Groups big, you know, so you're. You're. One thing that you could bring to the table most over anything of why you like America is that your friends aren't close to you, which I love that too, don't get me wrong. But, like, if I.

[D]

If you individualistic.

[A]

Huh?

[D]

It's individualistic.

[A]

America. You're dropping. You dropped your Georgia passport like a bad habit. And the one reason why you did it was because.

[D]

One reason. It's one of them.

[A]

That's your biggest reason. That's the f. That's on the forefront of your mind.

[D]

Absolutely.

[B]

Opportunity.

[A]

I left it for. Anything else you want to say that?

[D]

I feel like you really want me to. I feel like you really want me to say I came for opportunity. You want to lie? I can lie. I mean, what do you want me to say?

[A]

I don't want you to say it, but I feel like it's ridiculous when you say, oh, America's great. I dropped my passport for. Or my. Sorry, my visa, my citizenship to my home country because I like my best friends not knowing everything about me. Like, that's absurd.

[D]

You're not going to convince anybody.

[A]

Why America? You got to come up with something better.

[D]

Okay? So again, I. Mike. Well, you know what's funny? If you go to Georgia, you kind of understand what I mean, but without that, it's really hard to. To explain to you. I don't like small habitat. I don't like small European mindset in terms of relationships. I'm sorry, but I don't. And guess what? Most Georgians don't like how Americans live. So we differ there. Most Georgians are like. These are reptiles. They don't have really friends like real friends. They never stand up for each other. They don't have an identity. That's most Georgians. And how they. They understand Americans, I don't understand that way. I. I think Americans are very individualistic. They can get through. You know, they can group together alongside ideas, but they really have hard time standing together for bigger cause. And that was not like that always, but they. Now we see that that's true. So what's acceptable for Georgians is not acceptable in America. And the opposite. My cultural understanding of what I didn't like in Georgia is what I actually enjoy in the U.S. that's number one. Number two, the magnitude of power in the United States in terms of being a superpower, that's two different things of country. Being the greatest country and being a superpower. China is A superpower, too. Is it the greatest country in the world? Of course not. So what I liked about the United States is its potential to be one of the best countries in the world. And you know what convinced. Convinced me that that potential was legit. Good for fight, like to fight for it was President Kennedy. So I always say this, and people think I'm stupid or crazy. One of the reasons why I came in this country was President Kennedy. And in high school, I got an assignment. I was to pick any president from whichever country they didn't care and then write an essay and psychological analysis of this person and what they were about. I chose Kennedy, not knowing anything about him. By the time I was done, I was not just a fan. I was like, Kennedy, Democrat, ideologist. It was crazy. So I was like, whatever this guy was about, I believe in this dream. I want to help fulfill this dream. That was part of the reason.

[C]

Can I say one thing? He was assassinated in 1963. You saw everything else that happened between Kennedy and Day. You decided to move to the United States and you still moved here with Trump being president already, Obama being president. So you reach back.

[D]

Trump was nowhere near. When I moved, I moved in. I moved in college. 16 plus years ago.

[C]

Okay, 16 years ago. Was that Clinton?

[A]

Bush?

[D]

Yeah, it was Bush.

[B]

Yeah, it would have been Bush.

[C]

63 was dead. You saw everything that happened in the United States and still said, I want to go there.

[D]

Yeah, but you have to understand that I. You have to understand. I believed how Kennedy died. This is me in high school. I was not educated. So I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy. I believe that. I don't know the deep state. I don't. Again, see, this is why, guys, you look at it as American without being able to even understand other world. And I look at it coming from another one. I'm sorry, I don't said from me mindset was delusional. Do you understand what I'm saying? So I really thought that us was a dream. I really did. I. I absolutely believed in it. I believe that Kennedy was killed by a lone gunman. That was me.

[C]

You're still here, but you now know it's not true. And you still hear, yeah, yeah.

[D]

And here's. Here's why. Again, the same reason. Number one, culturally, I don't align with Georgians as much as I align with the US that's one. Number two, the potential of this country to be the leading superpower in the world for good. Potential not there in existence, but potential. Number two. And number three, and I think it's more important that I like to admit is once you sacrifice a lot of years in no matter where you are, it doesn't matter where you are and you marry a person from the country and you create a family and you do that, it's really hard to live. So for me, not only I assimilated, but I now had like my conscious life in here with friends and ex husband and all of this and family. And now it's really hard to live because to leave all this behind that for years you accumulated is very hard.

[C]

And even if go all the way back to your original statement about a military guy who joins the military, becomes married to his buddies and then goes to war for the United States, it's hard to get out of that. You married somebody in this country, have a life here now, now, and it's hard to get out of it.

[D]

But you're not married to your military buddies.

[C]

I'm sorry, you are, you're married to your friends and you're married to the same reason you came here, which was this country's great. I think this country has a potential to be great. So I can have a potential to be great, sit at home as a nobody or I can join the military and say I think this potential has a potential to be great and I'm going to fight for it for the reason.

[D]

Yeah, but I agree with one thing. I agree with one thing. If you believe that you're fighting the right battle. Yes, but you already know you're not. You're going in Iraq, fighting to up other countries.

[C]

You knew Kennedy wasn't the president anymore and you still came here because you thought the United States could get back to that.

[D]

No, I didn't think, I thought it was, I think I, I thought it was that.

[B]

Elizabeth, you know, you, you highlighted something that is very, very human and it's a hundred percent relatable. You embedded within the culture. When you join the military, you embed within the, the culture. We understand that and we're, we're in violent, we're in violent agreement. I loved my friends. I couldn't let them give. Didn't matter if I agreed or disagreed. I couldn't let them go down range and get killed and not go with them. It tore me up inside. So when you stay here within the United States because you're like, I know what it could be and I care about these people here, even if I don't agree with everything else, I'll still do this. It's, it's, it's so analogous that it's almost the exact same.

[D]

That's great. That's great, Jimmy. But one question. Yeah, I, I agree with that. But question would you go and fight another war right now knowing if we were to go to Europe to fight whatever war, would you do it? Yes or no?

[B]

If you, if you told me that Josh Madden and Keith Fiskus and Greg Rundell and Mike Schoolcraft and Greg Leach were going, I would go with them to hell. There is no stopping.

[D]

That's great. So if I see that the United States has not changed at all, like let's say it became. Well, it is, I always say it is the biggest terrorist of the world. As for now. But the reason I still fight and do what I do, which is by the way, very, very dangerous job in what I do as a journalist.

[B]

I agree. But from you.

[D]

Yeah. So if I see that the United States is, has zero possibility to ever become that superpower that it was meant to be, then I will have no.

[A]

Problem leaving the United States based off of your assumptions. Based off of your.

[B]

Yeah, that's kind of, you know what she's talking about. Did you ever see the movie Gladiator?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Russell Crow, There was a dream that was Rome. Yeah, yeah, that's what, that's what you're talking about.

[D]

Yeah, I agree. But Rome is gone.

[B]

Is, it's a dream and we're still chasing that. And, and we're getting, I mean the, the whole thing that really bothers me is that you, the four of us are having this like circular firing squad when the reality is is that the people that are above all of us are the problem. It's not the four of us people in the chat.

[A]

It's not the heart, it's not the heart of America. It's the puppeteers up there and the heart of America. The heart of America would jump on a ship and go to war for our country. It just, for some reason it takes about 15 years when you're 35 to go. Oh, it's all. Yeah, and that's the problem and that, but that's a young person problem everywhere. I mean look, any country anywhere you are at 19 years old based on cold. I'm sure there's some countries out there there where their youth are way more educated and stuff like that. And we, we wash our kids brains with tick tock and you know, like that.

[B]

I mean look at the Chinese Communist Party. We're not even, we, we aren't even on the, the spectrum compared to what the Chinese Communist Party does to Their children. Yeah, so.

[D]

So we agree on most things, as I understand. But the problem is the. The US Is on a course of decline. And that. That's why we are all here, because we kind of recognize it. And I don't have a solution other than basic stuff like, for example, stop lobbying. Stop lobbying. Not only foreign lobbying, but domestic lobbying. Stop lobbying.

[B]

That's something that Mike can get behind 100 because it affects law enforcement all the time.

[C]

It's both sides of the government. So when you say the United States, obviously, the United States is divided by two major parties. And then that just. It continues to break down and break down where you can talk about this for seven years. We could be here with the same argument. The bottom line is you're here, right? You're here by choice. You're here with a dream that it's going to get xyz.

[D]

The same reason I have no dream anymore, Michael. I have no dream. That's gone.

[C]

Time to go.

[D]

That's gone.

[C]

That the United States is going to get better. Why stay?

[B]

Just like your purpose, Military.

[C]

Just like the kids military.

[D]

No, I don't. I don't know if it's gonna get better. I. That's my point. I don't know. It is. It is.

[C]

So your argument is, as long as you have the idea that it might.

[D]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

Join the military because it might get better. So I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving.

[D]

Yeah, I. Well, I. I thought you were living to Bali. They don't care.

[C]

Gamble in Bali. Only in America. So I gotta stay here.

[D]

Yeah. So we'll see. I guess. I don't know. We'll see.

[A]

Yeah, we'll see. Well, I mean, a couple people asked some questions, and I just, you know, kind of off subject, but I know we can. Once we. Once I ask this question, all of us could go down the rabbit hole for forever.

[D]

No.

[A]

Do you believe the moon landing happened?

[B]

Oh, God. Choose your fighter.

[A]

Honestly, if it's something like you're like. Hey, to be honest with you, I've never really thought about it. This is just my. My opinion. That's totally fine, too. We don't. None of us are really educated. Jimmy's kind of educated on the topic. He thinks it did happen. Me and Mike just use common sense in our human brain and we can tell.

[D]

I don't know. Like, that's the thing. I don't know. I've heard from people who are very high up in the government. I don't know if they want me to say their name. I don't even know if that's like a secret. And maybe they are already talking about it, but I've heard that it was all faked. But again, I, as a journalist, I never dived into that rabbit hole. I don't know. Makes sense that it was faked, but I don't know. Okay, what do you guys think?

[B]

I think, yeah, I disagree completely.

[D]

But wow.

[C]

Aren'T they talking about going back now all of a sudden?

[A]

They're going tomorrow, right?

[C]

Well, no, I thought we were going back to the moon too. I'll.

[B]

I'll just leave it at this. If the Chinese Communist Party, which just recently flew satellite around the moon, could prove that the booming moved landing did not happen, they would absolutely do it and have not done it. In fact, India has the best pictures of the Apollo 11 landing site. And again, if they could prove it didn't happen, they would.

[C]

They don't have clean water, but they got great pictures.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, the next question is we, we talk about this all the time. A lot of people give us a lot of, a lot of black because we question the numbers of the Holocaust. And it's not saying we're not deniers, we're not anything. We just, we literally broke down the math and then people were like, well, it wasn't 6 million in the ovens. It was like fire. And we're like, okay, well, we didn't know that. That's news to us because we were told 6 million Jews were burnt in ovens. And we did four years at the math and that was like 182 bodies an hour.

[D]

That, that I can, that I can say for like, sure. As, as far as my research goes. Again, as far as my research goes, 6 million is a bogus, stupid number.

[C]

What is your number?

[D]

I don't have any quote, like exact number. Because here's what people don't get. A lot of people who got killed are not even in the lists. Okay, so which jujas are we talking about? There are Jews that were liberated by Soviet Union. Where are these Jews? Where they. Did they die during the transit? Did they not? I don't know. So, real number? I don't know. But 6 million is nowhere near the number that Hitler either killed, burnt or guessed. How about that? Okay.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, that's what we.

[B]

Okay. I mean, we've said the same thing. Is that the, the western world at large is beholden to this inflated information about what happened in Nazi Germany during the Holocaust. And, and I have personally no desire to hear well, you have to let me bomb Gaza and, And kill every single one of the men, women and children, chickens and goats in Gaza because of what happened in Germany. I. I'm really tired of that argument.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you. It's convenient for certain people to be a victim and then get free and, you know, military support. That's all I'm going to say.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You.

[B]

You want to be more careful around. Around Israel than we do. We don't care.

[D]

We don't care either. I. I don't care, I guess.

[B]

Yeah. I. I am personally of the opinion that. And I've said this to you before, like, you can't tell me that Israel can defend itself as you fly F15s, F35s, and F16s dropping JDAMs and trained in the United States. Sorry, that doesn't fly. You exist because we allow you to exist.

[D]

Exactly. I couldn't agree more. Violent agreement, as you like to say.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, well, that's gonna wrap up the show for today, guys. Hopefully we can see a sequel and a much prepared violent opposition between Jimmy and Elizabeth on another platform. Maybe Jimmy. Shadow cast.

[D]

Sure. On my show.

[A]

Yeah. We. We didn't even get to touch on some of the stuff, especially Putin, but we're out of time.

[D]

I know.

[A]

So thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for being a good.

[D]

Thank you guys for having me.

[A]

Thank you. We're really not used. We're not used to a lot of opposition. You know, it's just the style of our show. We don't really try and facilitate that too much. So it was pretty cool.

[D]

Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. Tyler. I think all of you should do like a 20 days minimum European trip, so just to go back to the best country and set up kind of dynamics. Right. I really, honestly, I stopped arguing with people who have not been at least, or lived in at least as many countries as I have, because there's no point. Right. If you don't have the perspective, you can't talk. When I was like, 15, I would not argue that, you know, one country was better that I didn't know. I didn't know. But now I have the right to argue just because I've been in so many countries, including Asia. Like, people. People just don't understand how. Yeah.

[B]

Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Japan, Korea, China, India, Abu Dhabi, Mumbai, Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia.

[D]

Deployments. Right, Deployments. Right.

[B]

Military.

[D]

Yeah. Deployments, which is very restricted and not even. You can't assimilate with a culture like that. But almost Every single one of them. Except where I think you said Kuwait. I have not been there. Rest of it. Yes, we can talk all day long.

[A]

As long as the cruise ship can get them there.

[C]

That's.

[B]

I actually. You know what I mean, why don't we just do. Why don't we just follow the. The path of the 82nd Airborne through Europe? That'd be fun.

[C]

I actually have a large family in Greek Greece that I talk to regularly and through Facebook.

[B]

That would be awesome.

[A]

Actually, you guys should go from Crete.

[C]

Down down the south.

[D]

So do like 20 day assimilation tour. You're invited to Georgia and it's my.

[C]

Hero, 20 day tour, dude, that'd be dope.

[D]

Thank you guys.

[A]

Thanks for the great idea, Elizabeth.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

All right, guys, you guys take care. Thanks for everybody for joining the chats. Go follow Elizabeth. We had the banner scrolling at the bottom. Where can they find you, Elizabeth?

[D]

X is good. And it's I'm Elizabeth Lane on X. Everything else was taken.

[A]

Okay, so I'm Elizabeth Land on X. The real journalist on Instagram and the Elizabeth lane show on YouTube. Correct?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. Later, dudes.

[D]

Jv team for life.