10/23/2025: What's REALLY Going On With GLOCK??

Summary

The Antihero Podcast

Episode: 10/23/2025 — "What's REALLY Going On With GLOCK??"

Date: October 23, 2025
Hosts: Mike & Tyler
Special Call-In Guest: John (Listener), Brother-in-law (Caller)

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Overview

This episode dives into the latest controversy surrounding Glock pistols and explores its implications for the law enforcement, first responder, and veteran communities. The hosts also address trending topics affecting their audience—from drug-smuggling submarines, ICE operations, to the power (and problems) of police unions—mixing serious discussion with their signature irreverent camaraderie.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. Glock Controversy: What’s Going On? (14:57–24:35)

Summary:
A viral meme/reel about Glock sparked confusion across gun owner communities. Tyler and Mike clarify what’s happening, specifically regarding Glock’s introduction of "V-model" pistols designed to prevent conversion to fully automatic fire.

Discussion Points:

• The viral Glock meme's success and impact (13:52–14:01)
• Not all big social media accounts (e.g., "GlockStore" on Instagram) are official Glock or in direct communication with the company (14:57–15:21)
• Glock is discontinuing some Gen 5 models and introducing V-models with internal changes focused on preventing illegal full-auto conversions (15:26–16:37)
• Most users won't notice the difference—v-model guns only visibly have a "V" marking where "Gen 5" would be (16:12–16:34)
• Glock’s move is, in part, a business concession to legal pressure from states like New Jersey and California (17:44–18:57)
• Debate on 2A "absolutism," manufacturer liability, and whether changing a product for criminal misuse constitutes "infringement"
• Memorable moment:
  • Mike: "It's the person holding the gun that is the problem. Whether it's fully automatic, whether it's a slingshot, whether it shoots pellets, whether it shoots grapes." (22:00)
• Glock will likely keep selling plenty, and older models will remain ubiquitous—possibly even appreciate in value amongst enthusiasts (22:25–22:46)

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler: "The difference is, is that Glock, from what I'm reading, is actually trying to fix a problem... being able to make a gun fully automatic is a problem. It's not meant to be fully automatic." (17:10)
• Mike: "Shall not be... What you're saying sounds infringed to me." (20:48)

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2. Listener Engagement: Kevin Lee Lloyd Update & Civilian Support (07:45–13:52)

Summary:
Listener John from El Paso called in to share his experience trying to visit Marine Kevin Lee Lloyd in hospital after hearing about him on the show, underscoring civilian support for military and law enforcement.

Highlights:

• John explained his motivation: "God put it upon my heart that, like, you're five minutes away, dude. Why don't you go try?" (09:20)
• Ultimately, Kevin wasn't accepting visitors due to medical reasons, but John will try again (11:59–12:11).
• Both hosts praise John, emphasizing the importance of everyday Americans supporting first responders and veterans.

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3. Charity of the Week: Hope Recovery Services (25:38–30:25)

Host Highlight:

• Pastor Mike (“Hope Dealer”) helps people overcome addiction through faith-based recovery.
• Listeners who donate receive his book and two free coaching sessions for themselves or someone in need.
• Donation details provided; strong emphasis on the impact of supporting real-world recovery initiatives.

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4. Drug Submarines & Border Security (31:12–36:15)

Summary:
The hosts discuss recent video footage of a Venezuelan-made narco-submarine interdicted in the Pacific, used for drug smuggling to the US.

Key Points:

• This marks a growing trend in increasingly sophisticated smuggling operations (33:37)
• Discussion about the failure of previous drug policy and the need for harsher penalties for gun/drug offenses (23:57)
• Border security, ICE operations, and their public perception; the political dynamics around immigration enforcement (34:00–36:32)
• Mike: "The craziest thing to me... we've gotten so bad as a country that it's shocking to people in the hood to see the law being enforced." (35:08)

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5. ICE, Federal Operations & Local Law Enforcement Pushback (43:14–44:05; 44:43–48:15; 48:36–50:43)

Summary:
A viral video out of Portland reveals local police assisting protesters in identifying federal (ICE) agents, raising serious questions about institutional loyalty and political motivation among police.

Key Points:

• Law enforcement's relationship to their community, ethical lines, and analogies to historic events (49:32–50:43)
• The blurred boundary between protest, activism, and hostile acts against the federal government.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler: "Antifa is working with local law enforcement. In any kind of conjunction, that is not acceptable at all. I don't care..." (47:22)
• Mike: "You can't collectively carry a badge and a gun, violate the Constitution in any way, shape or form and call yourself anything, I don't care..." (49:44)

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6. Police Unions, Culture, & Internal Politics (88:08–101:11)

Summary:
Candid, nuanced discussion about the realities (and limits) of police unions, including their power, regional differences, and unintended negative outcomes (e.g., protecting bad actors, creating toxic internal cultures).

Key Points:

• Florida retirement system is strong, but police unions here have little practical sway or ability to protect officers against malicious departmental actions (94:55)
• Stories of how unions up north have much greater negotiating power, sometimes keeping problem officers on the job
• The myth vs. reality of "The Brotherhood" in policing: hosts explain it’s far less unified or supportive than the public imagines
• Discussion about how both civilian and LEO expectations around unions differ from messy workplace realities

Notable Quotes:

• Mike: "The worst backstabbers in the world are in that building. Why does it affect you? Because cops are mentally ill because of how they're being treated in the building." (102:13)
• Tyler: "Do you think all of [law enforcement] has been like that forever, do you think?"
• Mike: "I think it was worse. I think we actually were on the hook because now we have lawsuits, we have lawyers, we do have a little bit of social media... cops were doing wild shit in the 70s and 60s and 70s dude. They were protected." (105:10)

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7. Other Notable Segments

A. Local Scandals & Auditors (63:11–74:26)

• Mike recounts a dramatic confrontation at a local government meeting with a longtime antagonist and explains the deeper political context of their town’s law enforcement scene.

B. Gun, Gear, and Sponsor Talk (51:44–62:50)

• Product recommendations and anecdotes from law enforcement/military gear, with colorful takes (“If you want a Kevlar holster so it doesn’t blow you...”) (24:25)

C. Sports Gambling Breaking News (54:36–58:13)

• Real-time banter about reports of NBA coaches and players being arrested in a gambling ring, plus a critique of modern sports betting.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "It's the person holding the gun that is the problem." — Mike (22:00)
• "You can't collectively carry a badge and a gun, violate the Constitution in any way, shape or form and call yourself anything, I don't care." — Mike (49:44)
• "Look at you with stripes. What are you now, Corporal Lacy." — Mike, quoting a local auditor’s viral video of a deputy (71:25)
• "Antifa is working with local law enforcement... that is not acceptable at all." — Tyler (47:22)
• "The worst backstabbers in the world are in that building." — Mike (102:13)
• Listener John: “I want to actually be able to do something. I don’t want to just constantly be consuming things... civilians got to play their part too, you know?” (10:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Glock Controversy Deep Dive: 14:57–24:35
• Listener John Calls About Kevin Lee Lloyd: 08:21–12:51
• Charity of the Week - Hope Recovery Services: 25:38–30:25
• Drug Submarines & Border Security: 31:12–36:15
• ICE/Portland Cops & Protesters Collaboration: 43:14–50:43
• Police Unions & Internal Department Culture: 88:08–101:11
• Local Law Enforcement Scandal (Mike’s story): 63:11–74:26

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Tone & Style

The episode is packed with blunt, at times irreverent, “insider” banter about law enforcement, guns, politics, and public controversies. Both hosts are unapologetically honest, unfailingly loyal to their “tribe” (vets, cops, first responders) but equally ready to skewer hypocrisy, bad leadership, or “backstabbers” within their own ranks. The show is conversational, frequently humorous, and peppered with strong opinions, but always circles back to core values of accountability, community, and service.

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If you missed this episode:
You're stepping into a no-BS, truth-above-politics, sometimes-messy reality of American law enforcement and the veteran community. The hosts give you a real-time window into gun industry controversies, the pressures of modern policing, insider politics, and the stubborn everyday heroes (and headaches) of their world—along with a challenge to “the boys” and the civilians alike: do more, speak up, and support each other.

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Transcript

[Mike]

Foreign.

[Tyler]

For life. Good morning. It's Monday, October 23rd.

[Mike]

It's not. It's not Thursday.

[Tyler]

Oh, it's Thursday, October 23rd.

[Mike]

We're not here on Thursdays.

[Tyler]

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[Mike]

Jimmy's not here. Don't forget Patreon. I can't express this enough. I answer every dm. We're diving into Anti Heroes dms. Cobbville's dms. We answer. But you're gonna get, I can't lie to you, you're gonna get a quick tap sometimes on a real or a message because I just can't keep up. But Patreon, if you join our Patreon, we do workout videos, we interact, we share exclusive content in there. We would really appreciate if you join the Anti Hero Patreon. And don't forget tonight, the first ever Night Shift show that will be on Counterculture. The squad cast is no more. Thursday mornings are for the boys when it comes to the broadcast. The Night Shift goons are over there in the studio right next door. That's Night Shift on Counterculture. First responders, military night, guys that are working nights. And we're real excited. We got the set, you got the set built. I just get to show up and it looks great.

[Tyler]

You're the talent, bro.

[Mike]

I'm not the talent. I'll never be the talent. But tonight, 8pm, we will be live for the first time on the new set. And we're real excited about that. That show is, that's a new show and it's enemy.

[Tyler]

It is for the boys. Everything we do, we realize it's for the boys. We're big advocates, we're obviously Christians and you know, for all those warriors ordained by God under Romans 13, that's who we speak to. So you know whether or not you're in the patrol car, you're in the fire department house, you're at home on your night off.

[Mike]

Emt, paramedic, any of that stuff.

[Tyler]

Smoking a stogie, drinking a beer.

[Mike]

What this is for Patreon. One more thing to touch on where this is gonna allow. We talked about this today is Tyler and I are now gonna spend more time together. Usually it's in the studio, we travel on the road, but we're never like. We're friends, really good friends, but we just don't do anything together. So yeah, these Thursdays are going to run from. For me, from. I get here about 10 and I'm gonna leave about 11 o' clock tonight. That gives more time for exclusive content for Patreon, behind the scenes stuff. And we're gonna start streaming and recording each other. Like tick tock Cops.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And we're gonna start putting a lot of that in Patreon. So you get to see all the dumb stuff we do when we're not sitting in front of the camera getting everything wrong.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, I mean, like I said, Jimmy's not here. He's. He's got the flu. He's bad. He said he's going to be in the comments though. So. We got a lot of topics though, man.

[Mike]

Yeah, we got some, actually. We have some. You know, we haven't had guests because the transition of the show has been what it is. New show, new format, new. But soon this seat right here in the middle is going to be very full. We've got some pretty big name people coming into town. I'm not going to tip them off yet, but we've got nationally known people lined up to come in in the near future. We have a former captain locally that was shot in the line of duty who has a pretty wild story. And I'm gonna bring you guys one of the best episodes you're ever gonna see. There's a guy that I chased around and he did counter surveillance on me. He ended up going to federal prison for the pill mills.

[Tyler]

Did you put him in there?

[Mike]

I was part of the case indirectly because I was part of the search warrants that on takedown day. His name is Jason Vobeck, if you want to look him up. He's a good friend of mine, actually. After all this, when I say friend, obviously we don't go hang out, but we are very cordial and he has an entire.

[Tyler]

It's like a mutual respect.

[Mike]

Very mutual respect. He will tell you when the episode airs. He paid people to follow me. He Actually paid people to go to bars and see where I was at and hang out, try to infiltrate me. And we have the entire breakdown. As I remember driving by my. He lived in my sister before he got into crime. And I remember driving by waving 20 some years ago and had no idea that my sister's roommate at the time would end up being like your arch rival, the largest drug trafficker in the history of our county. So I'm actually talking about bringing on like a. Like me and him doing a show like, of the two opposite perspectives of federal inmate, drug trafficker who was going to Colombia and all that, running cocaine, a cop, and the two aspects of everything. So he's coming on here next week.

[Tyler]

I think it's interesting about stuff like that too, is like, you know, there's podcasts and once you dedicate your life to a job and you're done, it's like, is your life done? So, like. Like George Christie, the. The president of the Hell's Angels, like the OG President of the Hell's Angels, did a podcast with Jay Dobbins where he spent years. He was actually on the anti air podcast, but they did a podcast together. And it's just so fucking crazy. There's no more animosity because they're not at work anymore. They're retired. They're retired. Why there's no more, like, it's not personal anymore. When you're a cop and you investigate, it's. It's personal. It is personal. When you're being investigated, you don't want to go to prison. It's personal.

[Mike]

Here. Here's the funniest part. So if you haven't seen yet, I did the Locked in with Ian Bick podcast. I filmed it Sunday when we were up north. He dropped it yesterday.

[Tyler]

It's.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's pretty deep. It's very well done. The. It goes in the deep into my. The deepest I've gone into the FBI DA investigation against me. But why I say that is all the cops there were cops involved in trying to frame me. You know who vilified or you know who. I'm. I'm sorry. Helps clear my name.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Jason Vulture back. He knows that the guy, okay. He knows what was really going on. He knows when these guys were talking about, hey, I'm gonna lie about this. I'm gonna try to set him up. He knows all of it. And of all the people to come to me, finally, even the cops involved that were. This guy goes, hey, dude, I knew you weren't. I knew you weren't doing anything because I was behind the scenes watching them cook up on you. He sent me jail phone calls between one of the defendants and his dad telling. Telling his dad he's going to lie about me. Like, just stuff that was crazy. So if you haven't seen that episode yet, Ian Bick locked in with ian Bick on YouTube. I go pretty deep into that federal investigation that everybody tries to hold over my head, but when it all shakes out, the truth always comes out. It does, it does. It does. It always comes out.

[Tyler]

We got a couple topics. What's going on with Glock, obviously, is the big one.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

More Venezuelan submarines sank by the US Government. And Port Portland cops reporting on ice agents super chat delete laws for the boys. We all know Tyler certainly is gay. Thanks, bro. As long as you paying dog.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So a couple reflections, though.

[Mike]

We'll be reflecting. Oh, okay.

[Tyler]

The Kevin Lee Lloyd thing, Do you remember that? No, The Marine.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the guy in the hospital. Okay.

[Tyler]

Yeah. We had one of our listeners. Actually, hold on one second. I'm gonna see. I got. I'm gonna call him. Actually.

[Mike]

I just got a text from Sal. He's, you know, he's trying to move down here.

[Tyler]

What? That's awesome.

[Mike]

He said he'll be in the middle seat.

[Tyler]

So Kevin Lee Lloyd, the Marine that we covered, we do a charity the week, which we'll get to actually, of an episode. Now, will we try to give back or just bring, you know, some kind of. What would you call that, Exposure to people in need? One of our listeners named John actually attempted to go. And I say attempted because he wasn't. He wasn't able to see Kevin. But let me. Let me give him a call.

[John]

Hey, what's up, brother?

[Tyler]

What's up, John? You're live.

[John]

Hey, what's up, guys? How y' all doing? Love the show.

[Tyler]

So thank you very much.

[Mike]

I'll thank them.

[Tyler]

You heard our. Our real. Or you heard our broadcast and. Or saw our reel or whatever. And you were like, oh, my God, I am close to where Kevin Lee Lloyd is at the hospital.

[John]

Yes, sir.

[Tyler]

And you were like, I'm gonna go see him. And you. I wanted everybody to know you made the attempt to go see him.

[John]

Yeah, I did.

[Mike]

So the.

[John]

So I thought because I'm in.

[Tyler]

I'm.

[John]

Let me start with. I'm not former military, law enforcement. I'm just a civilian in the construction.

[Mike]

World my whole life.

[John]

I'm from El Paso, Texas, so I know about the military group on the military but all that good stuff. But myself, I'm not part. But when I heard that he was at MD Anderson Cancer center, one of my projects that I deliver to is right around the corner. Oh, for me, it was like constantly consuming. Consuming. Podcast consuming. Well, I'm not military, law enforcement. What the hell am I going to do to make a difference? And it just. I don't know. God put it upon my heart that like, you're five minutes away, dude. Why don't you go try to try.

[Tyler]

I remember, Yeah, I remember you talking to me, telling me that, you know, you were like, man, what was he even going to want to see me? And you were like, you know what?

[John]

Definitely some. Some nervousness to like me not being able to relate at least as far as like having military service or nothing like that. But hell if I could have just done there. Like, dude, there are civilians, there are everyday average Americans that still support law enforcement, that still support military, you know, that's awesome. The high school I went to in El Paso, all of the kids from Fort Bliss would go there. So a lot of my friends, you know, came and go throughout the years. But, you know, I learned to have a respect from. That's right. I wanted to go to the Naval Academy really bad, the first woman scholarship, but didn't get a congressional nomination there. Blow all this stuff.

[Mike]

But.

[John]

But no, dude, I just. I don't know, man. I want to. I want to actually be able to do something. I don't want to just constantly be consuming things because then who's making a difference in the world? You know, you guys deal with law enforcement, military, like civilians got to play their part too, you know?

[Tyler]

Yeah, man. And it's so awesome that, that you have the respect for the military to. To go and see, you know, somebody that has been stating that even his, you know, the brothers need to come out there, the Marines need to go out there. And I'm sure they have. I am 100% sure that Marines and military visit him. But the fact that there, you heard, you know, you heard our last broadcast and went out there. I think it's really cool.

[John]

Yeah, man. Anytime. Anything I do to help anything in the Central Texas area, anytime.

[Tyler]

I mean, what up? What happened when you. When you went there?

[John]

So I drive an F250 and I park in the parking garage on the 11th floor and a long bed, F250. Making my way up there. Go down to the third level of the parking garage which has the sky bridge. And when I went across the bridge, there's A check in desk and the two people to check in for visitors. I said, I am going to room 706 here to see Kevin Lee Lloyd. And they were, like, getting ready to, like, you know, give me a visitor pass or whatever. And then they had noticed something that on yesterday and the day before. So what the hell? On Tuesday and Wednesday, for whatever reason, he was not accepting visitors. And I mean, they wouldn't give me a reason, which is understandable for HIPAA stuff.

[Tyler]

And.

[John]

Yeah, my. My guess is one of two things. One, he either had some treatments or procedures or something stuff going on. Not feel or people did hear the broadcast and they're like, we're getting way too many people coming in here trying.

[Mike]

To visit this guy right now. We got to clear that up.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, that.

[John]

Those are my. My guesses, but yeah, they. They just wouldn't let. But that, like I said, that project I have, it's going to continue for the next several months, and I'll have many other chances to go down there. I'm gonna try again, so.

[Tyler]

Yeah, man, that's awesome, dude. Yeah. And I didn't even think about that, man. You know, if he's not feeling good, if he just had some kind of operation, if he just got some kind of work done.

[John]

Yeah, it could have been a couple reasons, but of course, I mean, I'm not gonna argue with them, you know?

[Tyler]

Yeah. I just think it's awesome that you went, man. It's really cool that you went and then you reached out.

[John]

It took a. Stepping out on a limb to do it, I'll tell you that. You know, I had to get out of my comfort zone, but I think that's what people need to do nowadays, bro. We're just gonna keep going on the path of society that we're on, and nobody's. Nothing's gonna change.

[Mike]

Yeah. Yeah, we appreciate that, man. That's. That's awesome what you did.

[Tyler]

Yeah, man. Just stay in touch with me, dude. Let me know when you're going back next and. And we'll get it. We'll get something done up for him.

[John]

You got it, guys. Excited for the new journeys that are coming with Anti Hero Man, y', all. Y' all keep doing what you're doing, and I'll be here if you need me.

[Tyler]

Thanks, brother.

[Mike]

Appreciate it.

[John]

Yes, sir. Y' all take care.

[Mike]

What a good dude.

[Tyler]

Yeah, so he actually went, and I just never thought about, you know, like, what it. Sometimes he's in a medical facility.

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like, know I talked to. I had a long con. Oh, it's the other person I didn't plug. Jack's coming first week of November. Jack Gerstmeier right here. Toxic cancer is toxic. As Jack is coming down for a about 10 day trip to. He's going to West Palm first and he's taking the bright line over and he's gonna be here a whole week. So he'll be on the show live next the first Monday and Thursday the first week of November. And the reason I say that is, you know, we've been following Jen friends with Jack now for quite a while and he gets in those 28 day chemotherapy treatments where he's locked in a.

[Tyler]

Hospital room for on top of other medical issues.

[Mike]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

I mean when you're going through that stuff, it's.

[Mike]

He's just beat, man. There's days when he's. He can't even pick his head up. But he's a big supporter. He's coming down to visit us. So he'll be here live on the show. And so that kind of brought my thought about him. Like, it sucks. Really.

[Tyler]

Does some more reflections. The Glock reel. Holy crap, man. That's. That's.

[Mike]

That was almost like a Copville meme reel. That one went crazy.

[Tyler]

Yeah, dude, that was that 300, 000.

[Mike]

Usually like I noticed and everybody laughs. Like why are mean pages so successful? People love sharing funny stuff. Yeah, they don't really share serious stuff and they surely don't sir ads or like advertisements. So this one is kind of like.

[Tyler]

It kind of shows that sometimes.

[Mike]

Yeah. Catches that algorithm of something that everybody's talking about and just blew up.

[Tyler]

Which is the topic of discussion today. So we'll get right into Glock. All right, so have you heard any of the, the Reddit or done.

[Mike]

And I heard that you have some Reddit information. I, I, you know, I was, I just. So you guys know, if you want to talk about me, you're gonna have to DM me directly because I of all of us don't go in the comments. But sometimes I venture. And one of them was like that Clock news site was not. It's not a real Glock site. And I started laughing. I'm like, okay, but it's the, it's the message. So I got that one wrong. I'm not a gun guy. I don't, I said, I think I said to the comment, I don't beat my meat to guns. I just. And how they, how to shoot them. But anyway, talk to me all Right.

[Tyler]

So Glock store on Instagram, although blue check mark and a huge following is not a representative or a spokesperson.

[Mike]

You would think they get information from Glock, right?

[Tyler]

No, they don't.

[Mike]

They get information they don't even get.

[Tyler]

No, they don't even have. They don't have a line to Glock. They don't, they don't have an official source of communication. There's nothing that.

[Mike]

They knew it, they had it.

[Tyler]

They're just a distributor. He's just got a huge Instagram page apparently.

[Mike]

I'm surprised they let him use the name so well.

[Tyler]

I mean, yeah, they can.

[Mike]

They sent me a season to cyst.

[Tyler]

Yeah, they are replacing the Gen 5 with the V model. From what I understand some models, I think from what I'm reading it sounds like some models will be discontinued. But however, this is, all of this is a temporary thing until Glock can come out with a new line. Here's the thing. Digesting this, as a non gun guy, you know, I'm not a gun nerd, but Glock comes out with about three new products a year and each time it's dropped, it's dropped at a huge event like Shot show being one of them.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So all new models are announced in January.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

If you. And the thing about this, this, this new V device thing is that if you look outside of a V device gun, you're not going to be able to see any differences. The only thing that you that's even noticeable is that there is a V where gen 5 would be okay.

[Mike]

So they're just changing the inside of the gun to make it where it can't.

[Tyler]

Yeah, the, the argument is, see, when you're talking to people and in these forms and stuff, you don't know who works for Glock, who knows what, but the argument is that 99, 99.9% of people are not going to be affected by this. It's literally.01% of people that want to turn it fully automatic and use it illegally. So they're being caught out in the comments. Okay, but the, the best argument that I heard right was SIG caught so much fire for their issues and what everybody was bringing to the table about Sig, right, Everybody had problems or their issues with Sig when they had their PR nightmare and Sigma didn't do anything about it. And it made everyone really, really upset. The difference is, is that Glock, from what I'm reading, is actually trying to fix a problem because being able to make a gun fully automatic is a problem. It's not meant to be fully automatic. So Glock is trying to go and fix the issue.

[Mike]

Are you a Glocker? Are you? I'm a Sigger. So. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. Glock. It took Glock getting sued to do that, and they're going to lose money in sales. Sigs is just a argument from. And does. Obviously, the gun has. I don't think it goes off. I think people are inputting on the trigger. But that's my opinion. There's an issue. Sig says there's not a problem. Our gun. Keep on going. Your thighs are in danger. Whatever the jokes are, keep on going. Glock was pressured by New Jersey, California, the liberal disasters of the two east coast, of the east and west coast. And it sounds like they caved to continue sales in those areas. So Glock sounds like a business decision. Yeah. Where Sig just said, well, our gun's not broken. Regardless of it.

[Tyler]

The difference is, is people are like, glock, your gun looks too aggressive. Fix it or we're going to see you. That's different. Glock never intended these guns to be fully auto. So of course they do. So to put something in there to limit the. The ability to make it fully auto and to make it illegal. Oh, man, they're gonna attack me so hard.

[Mike]

So how about this? The scat pack. Dodge didn't make the scat pack go 170 miles an hour to get away from the cops, but it does. Should they limit the speed on it that.

[Tyler]

Well, that was their intention of making.

[Mike]

It to go fast.

[Tyler]

Yeah. They intended.

[Mike]

Some people drive them, but they.

[Tyler]

They intended. They're rental cars, dude. They can't do this.

[Mike]

They don't. They don't rest those cat packs, dude.

[Tyler]

The. The intention for Dodge to make the scat pack is that, like, that was their intention.

[Mike]

But.

[Tyler]

So Glock was not intending to make any of these pistols.

[Mike]

Somebody. So. Okay.

[Tyler]

So it's kind of like I'm making a great argument. I think it's the first time I've seen Mike had to go back and go, okay, let's see this. All right.

[Mike]

All right.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

So.

[Mike]

Okay. But. But they're still caving. Like, this is my argument. Why are we. Because people alter the gun. So you're gonna make it. They're gonna fit. It's just like the. The virus company, the computer virus company selling you virus software. The radar gun selling you radar. Whatever the. It's called radar detectors. There's an always going to be a way. If it's blatantly like something that needs to be changed. But just because two states are suing a gun manufacturer because somebody figured out how to. I mean do they're 3D printing guns. Are we gonna stop making 3D printers?

[Tyler]

A lot of people are saying none of this matters because I mean at the end of the day, first off, I want to make it very clear I'm not a fucking gun law guy. I don't care. I really, I don't could give a shit about the gun. The two way like arguments back and forth because the two way a lot of people said second man, the second amendment shall not be infringed at all. They're just absolutist. Some would call them to a radicals.

[Mike]

Being able to sue a gun company because well, you can sue a ham sandwich. Okay. But they caved. So you're suing a gun company because somebody, a criminal decided to alter the gun and you're making the gun company go change everything.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

Shall not be. What you're saying sounds infringed to me.

[Tyler]

We're blaming the wrong people. Society being elected officials. We are.

[Mike]

Society doesn't give a. Society's on that side that those people that want to alter guns and shoot.

[Tyler]

Well they elected people that are going to.

[Mike]

Not that. No. The same people altering the guns are electing the people in those areas that.

[Tyler]

Have the most highly doubt. Dudes walking around with altered Glocks are actually.

[Mike]

They come from the same pool.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The same communities. You know, democratically run cities.

[Mike]

Correct. So if, if, if it's bananas to me, it's not the, it's the person holding the gun that is a problem. Whether it's fully automatic, whether it's a slingshot, whether it's shoots pellets, whether it shoots grapes. It's the person holding the gun that is the problem. It's not the gun. And Glock is making a business decision and that hey, I'm not wrong with it. Right. I'm not knocking the business decision make the money. But if you're a 2A, we stand on business. You are ultimately saying it's the gun's fault, not the person's fault and we're going to change the gun because people, I mean now you can make the argument what we take rifles too. I mean bad people get rifles and shoot people.

[Tyler]

Yeah. But I just think if it's their product and they're like we never intended for these. So we can put one little device in to stop this from happening.

[Mike]

We could violate the second amendment and.

[Tyler]

Do all that's not violating. That's their okay. That's their product.

[Mike]

Buy Sig. Sig won't take your gun.

[Tyler]

It'll shoot you in the leg.

[Mike]

It'll shoot your buddy, and we'll still keep making them.

[Tyler]

Here's the other thing, too. Is that with Glock, I mean, let's be real, dude.

[Mike]

The one. Yeah, go ahead.

[Tyler]

The Glocks that are out today.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

How many are going to be on the streets for next 20 years? They're like the AKs of the pistol. All of them.

[Mike]

They're all.

[Tyler]

They're not going anywhere. You are going to be able to go. If you want to be somebody that's like, I am not. I love Glock, but I'm not gonna buy Glock new V device guns. You can literally just go. And they'll probably go quick.

[Mike]

They'll probably mark up. Here we go.

[Tyler]

They'll mark up used Glocks just as high as new Glocks.

[Mike]

Mr. Miyagi. All right, we're getting ready to cook. First of all, I saw a comment about the schedule change. We are live now Mondays and Thursdays at 11am, Thursday nights at 8 on the counterculture night Night shift anyway, which.

[Tyler]

Should still be streaming on Antire as well.

[Mike]

We started having a drug problem at some point in the United States.

[Tyler]

That was because the CIA, bro.

[Mike]

And we just let it. And now look at it. This reminds me of the beginning of a drug epidemic. Why don't we hammer any person found in possession of a gun with a switch and give them like fucking 30 years in prison? It's doing. It's causing an entire gun company and a nation to change the fact of their. To change their second amendment right by having guns, sue and gun company. So if that's the case, why don't we get ahead of it and say if you are possession of a fucking gun that's altered, you are going to prison right now for X amount of years. Zero tolerance. Shooting the cops with this gun. You're shooting your neighbor with this.

[Tyler]

There's guys in prison for weed still.

[Mike]

Yes. So if you alter a gun and you possess the gun because it's. This should be with the. With the NRA and all that stuff. It should be diving into. Stop blaming the fucking gun.

[Tyler]

Well, I've seen a couple comments, and it is true that. Well, it's not true, but what they're seeing is true. They're saying Glock has an awful PR team. They're not getting ahead of it. They're not explaining anything Big guy, man. They don't have to. They really don't have to.

[Mike]

They could put a dildo fucking gun out and people are going to buy it because it says Glock on it. It doesn't have to. They'll have to. So that's why it's. If you, if you. That's why. Glad guys should be mad.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Go buy an M and P. Go buy Smith. Go buy a Sig. Just wear thigh armor. Get a Kevlar. Get a Kevlar holster so if it goes off, it doesn't blow you.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So that's, that's, that's what's going on. Black. We'd love to, you know, maybe have Glock reach out and get, you know, send us somebody.

[Mike]

They already reached out to me once.

[Tyler]

They did.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, they lost my first page.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you. You, Mike had a goon logo, but in the Glock logo. And Glock would like. Nope. That's why you don't like Glock. I just figured it out. You don't like Glock. Because of that, I'm going sick for.

[Mike]

The rest of my life. I carried a Sig before any of that happened. But they. Yes, they did. I made a. And the problem is Instagram, obviously liberal, in bed with anybody. You can't appeal that. I don't believe it's a copyright infringement, but I'm not willing to lose my page a second time. So I. It's one of the most popular logos.

[Tyler]

How did somebody get it, your website?

[Mike]

Well, my old business partner, against my knowledge, threw his dick at Glock and we're gonna do it anyway and send him an email. Oh, and then Glock was like, oh, by the way, you have seven more products on your page like that. And next thing I know, Instagram zap my page and we gone.

[Tyler]

So for our charity of the week, can you go to a Lewis, can you go to the emails? There should be an email that says Pastor Mike on it.

[Mike]

That's not me.

[Tyler]

That's not Mike. This Mike. This is another mic.

[Mike]

I am not Pastor Mike.

[Tyler]

There should be a link to his website, a link to his book and a general. And a. And an Instagram. We have a video. So just a little bit about Pastor Mike. He's the founder of Hope Recovery Services. They call him the Hope Dealer. He's a former. He's been. I guess he was a former narcotics user for a long time. With over 18 years of sobriety and a powerful testimony transformation, Pastor Mike brings a rare blend of personal experience, pastoral care, and professional training. To the world of Christ Centered recovery. Once caught in the grip of addiction, Mike was radically changed by the grace of God. And he's been helping others find true healing and purpose ever since. So there's a video in the Instagram first. Louis, if you can go to that from me. Suck a free Sunday. Yep. Is that it? I can't see. Yeah, that's it right there. If you could play his. His testimonial video and then we'll go into a little bit about what he does and how you can give.

[Mike]

Are we gonna echo?

[Tyler]

No. If he turns the mic off, we won't echo. Right. We're a highly funded project here.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Pastor Mike]

Friends, many of you know that we launched Hope Recovery Services not just as a business, but as we keep calling it, a ministry disguised as a help people find hope, healing and restoration through Christ Centered recovery. Coaching, other resources, counseling. And the impact has been great. It's been real. Lives are being changed. But we're humbly asking for support to help keep this mission afloat. And if you feel led to give any amount, any amount makes a difference, we want to say thank you by sending you a free copy of the Hope and Life Recovery devotional and by offering two free recovery coaching sessions either for you or for someone you know who could use the support right now. So we appreciate you guys so much, especially your prayers and your support and especially your prayers for the people that we serve. Keep them in prayer as well. God bless you guys. We love you. Grace and peace to you.

[Tyler]

Are we unmuted? Alright, cool. So that's Pastor Mike. That's his video testimony that does way more justice than I can ever do. If you, if you donate to their cause, he will send you a free copy of his book and he'll give you. The biggest one is two coaching sessions and you can give that to somebody that's in need. So we all know people on the road to recovery. Sometimes they're on a really, really dark road or there are the beginning stages and you're really working with them. And then some people are well along the recovery. And then you. So can you bring up the images? There's a couple. Did you already get them? Look at you, Louis. Look at you.

[Mike]

He's on it, man.

[Tyler]

Alright, so that's, that's the back of his book. If you could just. I don't know if you can scroll or make it smaller, whatever, but that gives a little bit about him. I mean, even if you, even if you buy a book. But if you donate, you get a book. For free. So it's like kind of two birds, one stone. And then can you go to the other image, Louis, where it says his. This is his information on how. If you guys can. I will also read it for our audio listeners. Venmo is at Hope for Recovery, underscore OC. Hope number four, recovery, underscore OC. The Zell is mike@1Hope for Recovery.com Apple Cash is 714-561-5228. And so that's the way you give. Like I said, if you donate, you know, tell them the anti hero broadcast sent you and you give a little bit, you get a book and whoever you're. And if you have somebody in your life that needs two free sessions, that's an amazing deal. So really a lot of respect for Pastor Mike out there. He's in California, you know, really, really doing what he can to preach the word of God. And God helped him get sober. So now he's doing what he can to help in the name of Christ.

[Mike]

So can you put the number in? It's blocking me. Like I comment, it goes, but I try to put the phone number and it won't go. It's 7727-7221-7217-5453 545. Yeah, they won't let me. Won't let me post a phone number.

[Tyler]

That's weird. Can you post anything else?

[Mike]

Yeah, I did. I posted the number twice and it didn't pop up. And then I posted tests.

[Tyler]

All right, well, we all know Clint's got your number.

[Mike]

Yeah, it definitely does. Glock. Anything else about Glock? Don't buy one. What else we got?

[Tyler]

Oh, sorry, I was. Jimmy. Jimmy.

[Mike]

Yeah, he's talking about the pin in the number.

[Tyler]

Oh, thanks, Jimmy. He's still there. He's still helping.

[Mike]

I think he's coughing, dude.

[Tyler]

Yeah, apparently he's very, very sick. It's something very nasty. He gave us the. He gave. He said, I'll come if y' all want. And I was like, no, dog. Stay home. So. So that's the charity of the week.

[Mike]

Look at that. We got charities of the week.

[Tyler]

We got a lot of charities of the episode.

[Mike]

Yeah, I'm charity of the episode.

[Tyler]

And it's. You guys are amazing. You know, you guys buy from our sponsors. You know, you guys donate to the charities, or you at least give attention to the things that we need. What is the deal? And if we need to call Jimmy, we will. With the Venezuelan boat cartel submarines that are infiltrated, the United States.

[Mike]

Well, this one was on the Pacific. They just blew another one up.

[Tyler]

That was the first one ever in the specific that we've done.

[Mike]

Right, yeah, yeah, that was just. That just happened. The other breaking news is a bunch of NBA players going down for a massive gambling.

[Tyler]

Can't do that in the middle of the one news. I'm gonna write it.

[Mike]

Venezuelan boats. So Keith Pearson posted a video of it, I think. Let me see. Let me send it to you. Send it to the anti hero. This is from 4 hours ago. Here it comes. You can play it for everybody. There you go. It's in that anti hero in box for me.

[Tyler]

Lewis in the dms.

[Mike]

Yeah, go to the dms. This is posted by Keith Pearson, who's the civilian director, Homeland Security, works directly for Christy Noem, former St. Lucie Sheriff Cobb, Right? Yep. All right. The one and only.

[Tyler]

Another one bites the dust Another one.

[Mike]

Bites the dust and another one down. And another one down.

[Tyler]

Another one bites the dusty. Hey.

[Mike]

So that's what we voted for, right? As you can see, all the poison floating in the water, all the drugs that's coming in the country to kill our people, and you'll get liberals and argue that that's too tough. But there's a war on drugs. That's about as best I've seen it so far.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I mean that. This is insane. They're using submarines now.

[Mike]

Yeah, boats. Submarines underwater. I mean, they've always been doing it, but it's finally. It's finally to the point where they're doing just what. What should be done. Like, they're obviously. You know, you just blow people up, but you.

[Tyler]

Can anybody die from that one?

[Mike]

I would believe so. I'm. No.

[Tyler]

If not, they're going to get Mode.

[Mike]

I'm a. I'm a gambler, man. I would think that they probably perished. Yes. And they're drug running drugs. But, you know, I was driving here. I got a guy that always debates me in my DMs about stuff and he was complaining about like ice people face down in zip ties and all that stuff. And it's like, you know, when you let a problem get so bad, like drugs has gotten. You can't undo it. Like, obviously drugs are never going to be eliminated. There's gonna be drugs forever. Yeah. Illegal immigration. And he's like, oh, these guys are face down in zip ties. We're wrangling people up. It's like you guys left the border open. You guys let it get to this point and you're never just going to. What Are you gonna ask? We've asked. We asked them all to turn themselves in and go home. They didn't do it peacefully. We'll give you a thousand dollars. We'll give you money. You got to go back.

[Tyler]

So to give them money incentives to do the right thing.

[Mike]

Yeah. So now you see, like, it's the craziest thing to me is, like, you see the law being enforced, and we've gotten so bad as a country that it's shocking to people in the hood to see the law being enforced. It's like they were in. They were in my hometown the other day. Yep. Everybody.

[Tyler]

Well, it's shocking in the hood because the hood sees local cops not doing shit. And the feds come in, just. And they're like, damn, dud.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And it's like. But it's like a huge deal. And it's like, well, this should have been going on. This should have been happening every day forever.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

People are breaking the law. They need to be dealt with.

[Tyler]

Well, look at it like this. You tell me as a lawmaker or, you know, some kind of politician, I can't lock my front door. You're not allowed to lock your front door. Then somebody comes in, and I have to kill them. And then you're mad at me because you told me I couldn't lock my front door.

[Mike]

Yeah. And, you know, the only argument this guy presented was there's people face down in zip ties, handcuffed. And I'm thinking, these dudes are bringing fentanyl. Drug murder, gang members coming across the board, terrorists. And the biggest concern we have is somebody face down in zip ties to protect the United States of America, to protect our freedom, to keep our streets clean. Somebody's in zip ties, face down. Like, I get the Constitution. I'm all about it. But if you entered the country illegally, you don't get that. That's not. That's not you. You came and broke federal code. You have to go back. You have to do it the right way.

[Tyler]

So we seem to forget that to all the people doing it the right way. That was Obama's big thing, too, when he was actually. When he enforced immigration before it became such a political shitstorm. His biggest argument was, hey, there's doing it the right way. And you don't just get to jump the line.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

You can go.

[Tyler]

That was before they were committing.

[Mike]

You can go back and watch Obama, one of the hardest, by mouth on the border. And he had people in cages down there when Trump took over. There are people, families, and cage, like Everybody turns a blind eye to all that. But he was just like, Biden was massive against crack and drugs. And then he flipped it the complete other direction. You can find Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, ranting about the importance of a closed border and not letting people in until they went, whoa, if we let these people in and then let them vote, we'll never get out of office.

[Tyler]

Office.

[Mike]

Yeah, never mind. It's not a problem anymore. And now somebody has to be the bad guy. The orange man orders the police to do their job or ICE to do their job. And now they're the problem. And they're getting videoed and they're getting complained on. They're trying to pass a law, I think, in California, not allowing the agents to cover their faces, saying, not only do you have to go risk your.

[Tyler]

Life, what's the argument for them covering their faces?

[Mike]

So they're not identified.

[Tyler]

Well, but cops have to be identified.

[Mike]

They're not cops. They work for the feds, man.

[Tyler]

They're law enforcement, though. Is that a good. What's the argument?

[Mike]

I'm not. Because they're getting so. So you're dealing with more dangerous people. You're dealing.

[Tyler]

I love your flip flop stance because this is not the typical liberal mic that wants all cops to be exposed. Not exposed, but accounted for. And now you're like, oh, the feds can.

[Mike]

So here's my argument.

[Tyler]

Wrap their face.

[Mike]

Should all cops be walking around with rifles, short bow rifles and silencers? No, but SWAT should be because they specifically do.

[Tyler]

You don't think that people can have short barreled rifles or silencers in the patrol car.

[Mike]

It's great if they train. If they train it with most. Here's what happened, bro. What happens? Cops go, oh, that looks cool. I'm gonna get one too. They've never shot the gun. They have no idea why they have it. Like leg strap. Listen to me. You're gonna get me on a rant now.

[Tyler]

Everybody back to the Fed's mask in the face.

[Mike]

Every cop has a goddamn leg strap on. They have no reason why. I wore one for two days. My gun wouldn't move in my seat and I couldn'. My leg. I've been in foot pursuit after foot pursuit. The gun flies around. The handle is still right there if your gear set up right. But now everybody's got a leg strap. That's my leg strap story. Back to the feds. They're doing a more dangerous job. They're doing a job that is leading to, you know, there's gangs, there's all this border problems. It's a huge issue. I think it's okay for them to cover their face because they're enforcing a different law. Local cops. What's your name of badge number? Sean Reyes. The Long island otter. Great dude. Trying to get him on. I understand the constitution identifying yourself but when we see some of those videos go too far it'd be nice for the cops to go you and be able to walk away. But they can't in this case. They're enforcing something that has been let go and let go and let go and let go to where it's overrun.

[Tyler]

The nation and they're hated for enforcing. They're hating for enforcing it.

[Mike]

So in the mirror part of an being able to you know keep their identity somewhat safe from being attacked. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of the federal government by any means. This isn't like if they try to gun grab or atf.

[Tyler]

I'm all against what's your thought about okay, so local. That's my big thing is local law enforcement is a. Is a as they're for the people, for the population. They are one of the population ordained and chosen by an elected official to enforce social contract theory the tribe. The way the tribe determines by election and by laws and by voting how they want things to be in that area. The police officer is ideally a member of the community that is has a badge and enforces that law. However that's where I think that yes their name and badge number because they need to be held accountable. But you're saying that federal agents are not a member of any community. They are there to enforce federal law that has this law has been pushed back on so hard that you know it's. It's in their best interest to cover the face.

[Mike]

Yes. And also what the does it matter? What does it matter if their face is covered? What if it's different?

[Tyler]

What if we police the streets?

[Mike]

We don't. I agree with it.

[Tyler]

What would it matter?

[Mike]

No, no no, it would because I agree with you. Because I agree with.

[Tyler]

Oh I want you to say I I Tyler was right.

[Mike]

No, you agree with you about the local stuff. Okay, all right, I agree with you but the Just like the U. S. Military does more things than the national guard or more things in local police. There's a place for that. That is the difference. As a cop, you signed up for that job. You knew those going in ahead of time. But I still don't think the forefathers in their mind thought there would be A public records database like the property appraiser, where you can look everybody's address up and just show up at their house. I don't think they planned it that way, but it happened. But my point is, let them cover their face. Plus, there's all kinds of other reason they're getting spit on during a ride. Environment.

[Tyler]

They are.

[Mike]

Gas being sprayed.

[Tyler]

Look at it like this. If you like a specialized unit in the military, when federal agents get deployed to a city, an unrest or a city like where they're enforcing ice, they are deployed to a hot area, and they're immediately faced with resistance. They're not just like cops. Most of the time, you're chilling, you're talking with the community, drinking coffee, and then when you go on a call, you're faced with resistance. These guys are literally deployed as soon as they hit the streets. They're usually faced with opposition. And I could see where, you know, that's where their. Their face and their IDs and their badges. Like, hey, this is our last line. This is from the President of the United States telling you to get the back and go.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's ultimate. And, you know, it's also just, you know, it's press. We used to do task force operations, and. And it looks cool, but I'm saying we would. As regular cops, we would put. We'd take 10 or 12 guys on a detail and go. Go to a neighborhood and just hit it hard. More than probably what ICE is doing right now. Yeah, but it was just regular cars, regular star on the car. It's no big deal. As soon as that first government agent steps out that says ice on the back. I don't care if there's five of them working with 30 regular cops. Oh, my God, ice is in town. Ice is hitting Gifford. Ice is everywhere. It becomes an instant thing where it's like, we were doing that with regular uniforms. Last week, we breasted 40 people in a weekend. Nobody said a word about it. Now that you see one. Even when I was in the D A task force, when I had to slap on the little, it said, no, it's a D A Police. Or, you know, like this one here. U.S. marshals, which isn't gay. DA is U.S. marshals Task Force. You had to put that on. Soon as somebody sees that, it changes the. It. It changes the level of how they look at it. All the feds are here. The Fed. It's a cool story. Hey, man, I saw. Hey, I saw a local cop at the gas station. Cool, dude, I saw the Feds I saw ICE at the gas station.

[Tyler]

Do you think when ICE is doing their operations within the parameters of the law, like Jimmy always likes to say, do you think when they're doing these operations, they need to be wearing ICE ICE markers, or do you think law enforcement or police will suffice?

[Mike]

I don't think that that's schematics. I don't.

[Tyler]

I'm dead serious. As an American, I'm asking you. Mike.

[Mike]

I don't. I don't know. I mean, because as long as they're.

[Tyler]

Wearing police or law enforcement.

[Mike]

I like the word police because it's universal. Yeah.

[Tyler]

So you don't know. You just know the police today.

[Mike]

You don't know why if you're Hispanic, you don't speak English. You from another country. The word police is kind of like a snake. You see it, you know it, you look. Look at it. It's there. We all know an elephant looks like. So it's like, you see the word police. It's pretty simple. When you start putting, you know, U.S. marshals Task Force somebody by looking like, what the. Does that mean? Like, what do you do? You might work for a security company.

[Pastor Mike]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So the fact that the word police is on them, again, I don't really care what it says.

[Tyler]

They all have their different people that they kind of go after. So obviously, if. If you're at the gas station and a nice guy walks in, everybody that's illegal is gonna go.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Whereas if you might have a bench warrant in a U.S. marshals task force. Skywalker. And you might be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

Different, right? Yeah, you got it. You're a regular dude with a warrant. You know, you're not immigrant, and you see a ICE age, you're like, I get. I don't give a.

[Tyler]

Because they know the local cops aren't going to do anything. So, speaking of ICE and the local cops, what is this that you have on in. Is it Portland?

[Mike]

Yes. So there's a video. Do we. Do we have it?

[Tyler]

What?

[Mike]

There's a video.

[Tyler]

I don't know. Do we.

[Mike]

Jimmy said it. Hold on.

[Tyler]

Oh, is it? Okay, Just send it from Cottville. So I'll go ahead and speak on it. A little bit. From what Jimmy has reported to me and Mike is that in Portland, local law enforcement is working with protesters to report ICE agents and taking photographs of them to help.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Who the fuck they reporting them to?

[Mike]

To complaint, like. But to back to.

[Tyler]

I said ICE headquarters. That ICE is doing their job.

[Mike]

Yes. So hopefully this works. This is a Twitter Link Jimmy's like, I have more.

[Tyler]

Jimmy, should we call you when we're done talking about it on our perspective and get yours. Can you talk? Oh, is it in the Instagram?

[Mike]

Yeah, it's in my Instagram.

[Tyler]

This is radio shows in 2025. Is it in the Instagram somewhere? I can't wait till we can go live, audio wise.

[Mike]

I can't wait till we can just think it. It happens.

[Tyler]

Is this it?

[John]

No, that's what it pulls up.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's it. Is it gonna work? Are you gonna go get it in there? It's a. It's a Twitter link.

[Tyler]

Oh, my goodness.

[Mike]

Hey, man, I don't know.

[Tyler]

You guys are killing me. All right, we'll talk about it while Lewis figures it out.

[Mike]

Well, basically, I mean, this is going to pull off.

[Tyler]

That's fine. That works.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, Play it this.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Oh, okay.

[Tyler]

Can you meet us? I got respect.

[Mike]

I interview everybody down here. I interview the police. Everybody down here about why they down.

[Tyler]

Here, what they down here for.

[Mike]

My name is Ted City. I have an Instagram. My Instagram is.

[Tyler]

Thank you, man.

[Mike]

We try to. Is she still down there? There's one block north of Lowell.

[Tyler]

So what in the hell did I just look at?

[Mike]

What is being alleged there is that they're collecting data on ice. They're helping complaints. And if you hear. Right at the very end, he's directing. That's Antifa.

[Tyler]

Those are domestic terrorists.

[Mike]

Yeah, he's directing them. If you hear him, he tells him, like, where to go.

[Tyler]

So Antifa is working with local law enforcement.

[Mike]

Correct.

[Tyler]

In any kind of conjunction. That is not acceptable at all. I don't care.

[Mike]

It's domestic terrorism, dude.

[Tyler]

So do you think the cop. The local cops in Portland are just liberal?

[Mike]

Yeah, Yeah. I think that whole place is shot and I think that.

[Tyler]

Or do you think they're getting orders and directives from.

[Mike]

Yeah, here's the problem. It goes as easy as my agency. My union guys at the agency I work at are cucks. And they won't stand up for what's right because I'm up for promotion. I'm looking at sergeant. I want to be a lieutenant getting railroaded by contract after contract. So you take that on a very small level in a very Republican county. That where we are supported now. You take it to an area where everybody's liberal and now they're all crooked. And then you have this guy who is probably indoctrinated to be liberal that every, you know, all the drug dealers are victims. Oh, it's poor you grew up in a poor neighborhood, it's okay, we got you. Now it's become where they let people take over eight the police departments and all that crazy shit. So now it's like here come these big bad feds who are doing something and they've been trained and brainwashed into being part of the problem. And now they're sympathizing with a domestic terrorist organization to help combat the federal government.

[Tyler]

I can't.

[Mike]

Is it because they feel that way or is it because they sold their soul for a pension and a paycheck? In the words of the great Steve Ladner, self proclaimed heroes that have no duty to act, that are willing to negotiate with terrorists to keep a job and a paycheck because they got kids at home to feed and they're not willing to take a stand against it.

[Tyler]

Well, here's my thing, is that there's no excuse to work with antifa. So we're taking that out. There's no excuse. I don't care what, what it is. There's no excuse. But could you argue that these Portland cops are, what I just said earlier, representatives of their community and they think like their community. They think like Portland people. They think with that liberal mindset. And so therefore if they grew up together and one guy went antifa, the other guy went to the, the police academy, they're probably going to think the same. And so therefore they're a community in a fight against the federal government.

[Mike]

Sounds a lot like Charles Manson. Sounds like they created a, a similar situation.

[Tyler]

Right, we're confusing the out of you because now I sound like a liberal.

[Mike]

Sounds a lot like Charles Manson.

[Tyler]

MAGA Mike over here.

[Mike]

Or branch Davidians. What was that? David? Yeah, sounds a lot like that. I mean he grew up around the people. They had their beliefs, they set their own. You can't violate. You can't collectively carry a badge and a gun, violate the Constitution in any way, shape or form and call yourself anything, I don't care. That's like saying, I grew up around drug dealers, I'm a cop now I'm gonna let drug dealers do their thing because I grew up with them. So it's. You can't. Yeah, it's the law and the law is the laws. Now is there discretion and speeding and throwing some weed away and all? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Is there discretion and discretion allowing the government to be overthrown and assisting terrorist groups? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And that's my argument. It's like, it's a tough argument to have with like Chicago and Portland, all these big cities where now the cops are just as bad as the people and criminals. So now you have an entire city that's willing to negotiate with antifa and domestic terrorism and now it's just accepted.

[Tyler]

Why do you say anti? Antifa?

[Mike]

I don't know, I can't pronounce it right. Antifa. I don't like it. I doesn't look long to me.

[Tyler]

All right, do we have an assistant yet?

[Mike]

Assistant?

[Tyler]

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[Mike]

Go ahead.

[Tyler]

Is it in the chats?

[Mike]

No, no, go ahead, just finish.

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[Mike]

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[Mike]

He's a great dude.

[Tyler]

He's an awesome.

[Mike]

One of my favorite days was going shooting with him and Eddie and the way he was, how cool he was and how I'd never shot.

[Tyler]

Talk about a guy that built himself from the ground up. He's still just a humble dude.

[Mike]

The coolest. It's the best, man.

[Tyler]

No ego on that guy. What were you laughing about?

[Mike]

It's just voicemail. We just got.

[Tyler]

Should I just read it?

[Mike]

No, don't read it. Well, you can. I don't care. We got people calling it, begging to be unblocked.

[Tyler]

Okay, okay.

[Mike]

What platform? Do you know?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I think I know.

[Mike]

Okay. We just got a text call in to ask to be somebody.

[Tyler]

Well, we have. We have t. All right, here's the thing, man, is we have teams of people. People. I. I'll figure out what platform, but, yeah, give me a second. Jay. That's. We got a voicemail from somebody named Jay. He called.

[Mike]

Yeah, he called. I could play the voicemail. I mean.

[Tyler]

No, let me. Let me look into it while we talk about the NBA.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Mike]

We got the NBA. What?

[Tyler]

You brought it up.

[Mike]

Yeah, there was some. There's a breaking. I saw the. Kash Patel talking. Gambling on ambling ring. FBI. So one of the coaches went down, but yeah, NBA's Chauncey Billups among 31 arrested in some type of large poker ring. And again to the feds.

[Tyler]

Be worried about you reading it.

[Mike]

Yeah, NBA gambling involves the Toronto Rangers, not a real team, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the quality of their investigation. So I guess they're. They said some dumb stuff in the thing, but Chauncey Billups, who I do know Is a player and coach is apparently FBI arrest Miami. He guard Terry Rogier and alleged mafia run illegal gambling ring. So breaking news, if you guys want to check it out, that is happening right now. Kash Patel was given a press conference. I guess NBA players are legally gambling, if you can believe that. That's a huge problem in sports. Another thing that drives me crazy, everybody, the racket that gets run on all these gambling apps. If you don't think that stuff's being manipulated to go a certain way in Vegas and all these bookies are pushing that stuff a certain way. That's why I'd rather. I'd rather risk it at the blackjack table than bet on sports. You see the most ridiculous things happen every week. This can't happen. There's no way this guy misses his field goal. They had a guy earlier this year, they uncovered a ring in baseball. Or some of these apps. You could pick the result of the next pitch. So like the first inning, third inning starts. What will the first pitch be? A ball or strike. And some guy threw the ball about 8ft short of home plate and bounced it. And they, like looked into him and he was consistently bet throughout the season for big bets involving like a first pitch of an inning. And he was, he was in on the whole thing. So I don't really like talking about sports on here.

[Tyler]

Why not? Dude?

[Mike]

We don't think anybody.

[Tyler]

I don't think anybody, anybody likes sports on here.

[Mike]

I don't think. I like these messages where somebody spelled out his name. He spelled it J A. I'm trying.

[Tyler]

To find what he's talking about.

[Mike]

Like, look how he spelled it out. That's how he did it on the thing. Look at that. Means he said it like that. J A. What? Like he spelled it out for us. I don't block. I only have, I think 12 people blocked on my entire cop bill page. And my problem is, if you want to debate, I will debate. But when you start going crazy or you have a fake profile. I'm not going to argue with a fake profile. I'm not going to waste my time. You want to know something? You want to talk about it? There's a seat, there's a call in. I'll give you a platform on mine. I know psychopath in Daytona that works for Progressive Insurance. He likes to claim he's blocked. I did block him. I did block that guy. Because I'm not gonna debate with a maniac that makes that first of all gets 11 likes on purpose. But if you want to talk like men. I have them on. I don't have a problem with that. What face? Oh, I don't have a problem having to know him. I'll talk to him.

[Tyler]

Who's face?

[Mike]

Your boy Kyle.

[Tyler]

Oh, no, he ain't coming.

[Mike]

It's funny because he has my number, but he doesn't. He never called me. Never. He never. He doesn't. I don't know.

[Tyler]

All right, we'll get two. Jay, I. I can't do it in the middle of the show, but I got to figure out what he's talking about, what platform he's talking about.

[Mike]

He does get 11 likes per post, unless I go there. That's why I block him. Because then I go give him engagement, and it's. He gets like 14.

[Tyler]

So you said the or.

[Mike]

So sports they want.

[Tyler]

They want sports. They want a sports section. We don't have to spend the whole episode.

[Mike]

Yeah, well, today's Thursday, so. Really? You got Thursday Night Football tonight. You got NBA starting back up. You got hockey starting back up.

[Tyler]

We have our sports show.

[Mike]

Yeah, we do it Mondays at 7. Counterculture. We have counterculture sports, which is a. Like a weekly recap. Sunday recap of all the football and Hot Topics.

[Tyler]

Canine.

[Mike]

Canine and Sipo are on. I was trying to get him here tonight, but he's got a prior commitment for the night shift. But we're gonna. He's free actually on Monday, so we may have canine come over on a Monday, talk about his counterculture sports. But if I had more hours in a day. I do like sports, but I don't want to talk about. I can't talk about. I can't be on the air every five minutes. It gets. Gets crazy.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So we got it. We got a sports guy. Come on down. You're in Orlando. You want to run sports. Well, we'll give you a studio and a platform to talk sports all day.

[Tyler]

The government shutdown, we got a lot of messages about that one. Nobody's happy about it. And you said the Orlando air show.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Was canceled because of the government shutdown.

[Mike]

Yes. Orlando air show things are being canceled now.

[Tyler]

What the hell does that have to.

[Mike]

Do with the government? Oh, I guess, like their government planes. I don't think we just people.

[Tyler]

Oh, so they're not privately owned planes. I don't think that's higher.

[Mike]

F16s and stuff.

[Tyler]

Oh, no, if that's the. No, if that's what they're flying, then yeah, that's government. Oh, so, yeah, they're.

[Mike]

We got other breaking news. What President Donald Trump Just pardoned Champagne CZ Z, the convicted founder of Binance, the world's largest crypto exchange. Yeah, he was the one that he. Man, Trump's on fire, dude. They paid out $4.3 billion to resolve the Department of Justice investigation by former Attorney General Merrick Garland. Oh, man, big money. I don't know. Sometimes Trump does things I don't know if I agree with. A lot of times guys are going to prison for like, huge money schemes. And he just pardoned that guy.

[Tyler]

Somebody just said they arrested. Arrested the head coach of the Trailblazers.

[Mike]

That's what I'm saying. It's going down, dude. The NBA's. Yes, that's Phillips.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay.

[Mike]

Yeah. And then a Miami Heat player got arrested. There's some type of mafia. I'm a Giants fan, so I don't like talking sports. Giants got hose this week. Lost last week to as I was flying back. Sal like sports, but he likes the Eagles and the Phillies, so we won't talk about them.

[Tyler]

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[Mike]

That's it.

[Tyler]

Good dudes, though. All good dudes.

[Mike]

All good dudes. Yes, man. FBI. This is a big story, dude. Head coaches, players.

[Tyler]

I need. I need to call that guy right now.

[Mike]

You want to call him?

[Tyler]

Yeah, but I need you to talk about the guy that you got fired in the video. Where it's at, where he can find it.

[Mike]

Is it in the. That. Did you. Did I sent it to you?

[Tyler]

I don't know. So can you send it to Antihero right now?

[Mike]

Should be in there. It's on my page. So anyway, so I'll give you a story about what happened. I went. I went to a budget hearing. So I'm pretty active in my town with the local budget. I went to a budget hearing and I walked in and I was. I got verbally attacked and he took my phone, which has all the good stuff in it. It. Go to. I don't know if it's still my story. Go to the. Go to Instagram while I'm talking about. Go to Cottville and see if it's still in my story. I don't think it is. Click on the story. No, next one. No, it's gone. God dog it. Go back to my page real quick. I don't think I posted. Anyway, so I go a meeting and there's a local activist in town and I did a whole. I did a podcast episode on it. So if you go to Copville OG on YouTube, you'll see the whole episode from the last one. It's called Team Success. You know this guy. This is small town politics and nonsense. This guy named Mike Marsh, back years ago, just trashed our deputies, followed them around the courthouse recording, kind of being an auditor, but not a good one. Like, some of these auditors aren't terrible. But long story short, he. In my phone. He's on my phone still. So long story short, I walk into his meeting, I sit down, he turns around and just starts screaming at me. He gets picked up on the camera for this community meeting. And the board of county commission, the head guy has to tell this guy to calm down. He's a fat slob. Like, I'll whip his ass. That's not the problem. I'm just trying. I'm very trying to be professional. I'm not going to get In a picture match. And he carries on and carries on. I leaned forward after he was done screaming at me, and I said very simply, you have no idea what you just did. Which he didn't. I think he thought it was 2014. We all had little handheld potato phones. So I went home and I posted on Facebook that, you know, what this guy did? And he's hated, hated within the community by a lot of people. The problem is he directly connected to Eric Flowers, the New York County Sheriff, and their buddies because they run the non profit, non profit, and they're in bed together. So he's a direct extension, the sheriff screaming and yelling at a budget hearing. So I went home, made a post. He jumped on there, threatened to sue me, I think threatened to fight me, threatened some of my family indirectly and in a post. And I said, okay, off we go. Well, I got 40, 50 messages about him. One of them led me to his criminal history in Tampa, which I didn't know existed. And I did an episode and I put out. He was arrested for burglary, grand theft, all kinds of stuff. He was arrested for domestic violence, locally, perjury, illegal wiretapping laws. He's a. All kinds. He's convicted felon, but he hangs out with the sheriff. So if you want to check that episode out on Kavalog, it's the last episode I posted, and I.

[Tyler]

That was probably some of the funniest I've ever seen.

[Mike]

Let me get. Let me go send this to YouTube or to the thing now so you guys can see it.

[Tyler]

I think he thought I was gonna call him on the live.

[Mike]

He's trying to play it.

[John]

He's like, I ain't get.

[Tyler]

I ain't answering that. Oh, so you got the clip of the guy?

[Mike]

Yeah, Copville, I want to play. Yeah, let me send that to Anti Hero. So this is. This was. Let's see. See, Boom.

[Tyler]

We are sending the file now.

[Mike]

Yeah, here's that. And then.

[Tyler]

Do you eat before you do these? No, I don't either. I'm always starving around this time.

[Mike]

How can we not have breakfast? Like, that's not so healthy. Whoa.

[Tyler]

Lewis speaks up. That's not so. I. No, you're right. I. I need to eat breakfast.

[Mike]

Hold on.

[Tyler]

Usually just a lot of coffee.

[Mike]

A little nervous tonight because Cobb was in the building. Yeah, play that one. So this. This is so after I. After he screamed and yelled at me, I was there about an hour. I left and I sent this clip to you, and I sent it to Dom Izzo, and they said, you Can't. He said, you can't pay money to have a promo pump locally. And I can tell you I've added 150 local Facebook followers, which was my goal, to get people locally watching the Cop Ville podcast to be valid local news. But if you want to play that. That video, that. The one with the guy standing at the podium.

[Tyler]

Hilarious.

[Mike]

Unfortunately, I got a little nervous tonight because Copville was in the building, so I'm trying to compose myself. So that is.

[Tyler]

Cotville's in the building.

[Mike]

And he called me by my name, Copville. He knows my real name.

[Tyler]

Iconic.

[Mike]

It just. I couldn't have paid him. I couldn't have walked in and said, hey, dude, I need. I want you to go to the store. I need this. I want you to go to the podium and say this. So now it's part of my entry, my intro. Intro. That's the last part of my intro. There's two other videos in there that kind of. I kind of go on a rant. It'll give you, like, a preview of the episode. I don't know if you want to play.

[Tyler]

I haven't seen those. No.

[Mike]

Yeah. If you want to play the. I sent two other clips if you want to play those. Kind of me talking about what's going on with this guy and. And his connection to the sheriff and what. It's unfortunate that the sheriff's office hangs around with these. These type of people. Louis. And they go back in. He quit on us there. Go back into that. The DMS there and play one of those other videos. You have a guy around your deputies. Start that one over and play that. This is my. This is my angle. Because this guy's a bad person. So go ahead. You have a guy around your deputies who harassed the sheriff's office and made those employees, I bet, borderline suicidal for poor Lacy and. And the way she was blasted over world Star over that video. And then Craig Timmer. I remember talking to Timmer time and time again about how the complaints just kept rolling in, rolling and rolling, and Mike Marsh made his life miserable. Now Mike Marsh has a key to the city. He can walk around that agency any place he wants. He drives his truck around, and there's no recourse for those people that got affected by this. What a great sheriff to bring that guy around. Horse steroids. And Mike Marsh is rambling about horses. How does he know that? How does he get that information? I don't care. Equipose. Look it up. I don't care. But how does he have that Information. How does he get that? Inside information seems pretty. All right. So that. That's two of the clips I have. Now. I'm going to play the clip that when he went viral for originally, which was where he harassed one of our deputies. And there's a lieutenant in this video. Now, does he have a right to film in the courthouse? Yes. Does he have a first amendment right to videotape? Yes. I want you to look at the beta cuck lieutenant who plays into it. And the female is in court in classic getting ready to testify. Why she's getting ready to test. Vine.

[Tyler]

Like, I do not know where you stand on this stuff, Mike, because you. You're working with auditors right now that. Would you love to do it?

[Mike]

You can do it. He did. But like I said about the guy shutting the trunk and just getting away, he should have interject. You watch the video and then he should. This girl's getting ready to test. It's not like she's walking around the street. She's prepared to go testify in a trial. So go ahead. Okay. This is what. This is his viral video. Now before it plays, this man is now a. A best friend of any river county sheriff. Eric Flowers. His. His non profit has a front door key to walk in the sheriff's office whenever he wants. There are hundreds of pictures of them together on Facebook. This is what he did to the very deputies.

[Tyler]

I love it when you get excited.

[Mike]

You go like, I can't stand it.

[Tyler]

Go like this.

[Mike]

Go ahead, play this video. Hey, guys, we're live at the inner River County Courthouse with the greatest lieutenant. Lieutenant, am I allowed to record right here? You are.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

It's a public area.

[Mike]

Okay. Is it okay to record any deputy that I want? It is legal.

[Tyler]

It is legal.

[Mike]

Look, it's Lacey Thomas.

[Tyler]

Hey, Lacey.

[Mike]

Remember when you falsely arrested me?

[John]

How you doing?

[Mike]

Remember when those charges got dropped? Look at you with stripes.

[John]

What are you now, Corporal Lacy.

[Mike]

Look at that. Guys, it's Corporal Lacy Thomas of the Indian River County Sheriff's office. See, Ms. Lacey back in the day had me arrested.

[John]

And when she accidentally sent the wrong.

[Mike]

Information to state office, the case got dropped. Damn, Lacey, back to school you go, huh? All right.

[Tyler]

Am I on? Yeah. Okay, Mike, this is the most confusing shit ever. Because if this isn't. If this wasn't your Indian river county case that you're exposing, you would be all over that guy.

[Mike]

Okay, I'm okay. You're missing it. I am okay with what he's done. What he did.

[Tyler]

So what's wrong with that other than.

[Mike]

She should have walked, she should have been directed by the lieutenant to go get her head right in a closed office, which is three right next door to go sit and be ready to testify. That's not the time to be dealing with that. So what he's doing. I don't have a problem what he's doing. Okay, that's fine. You can do it as a supervisor or a lieutenant, you should have the wherewithal to go. My deputy who's getting ready to testify in a trial has to get on the stand, which is not easy. It's very nerve wracking. Go get on the stand and go testify in front of a jury in a criminal investigation that has nothing to do with that guy. Don't expose. Let her get exposed. That go. Hey, Lacy, there's a door right there. There's a jury. Private jury. Room for jury deliberation.

[Tyler]

So you're mad at that lieutenant for not telling a grown ass adult what they should do.

[Mike]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Tyler]

I'm just.

[Mike]

She. Because now she is in a position I'm sure uncomfortable in.

[Tyler]

She's a cop, she's a supervisor. She can't think for herself to go in a room.

[Mike]

She's probably. You ever been anybody do that to you? I'm not asking. Listen, females shouldn't be cops. Right? So let's. We can go down that road.

[Tyler]

But she's a supervisor.

[Mike]

She's a corporate.

[Tyler]

Able to take someone's life. Correct. To take away your constitutional rights. But she's too dumb to figure out that she can just go away from this guy.

[Mike]

No. You're saying fault that he caught off. She's caught off guard.

[Tyler]

Who cares? It's part of the job. Mike, he's allowed to be in there.

[Mike]

Okay? He.

[Tyler]

She should have closed.

[Mike]

So actually that's that. I agree with you. That's not my argument though. I think he's a beta. I think the lieutenant you're trying to.

[Tyler]

Show that this guy.

[Mike]

What I'm saying is though, that guy.

[Tyler]

That guy Mike Marsh. Mike Marsh.

[Mike]

He now is an associate of the.

[Tyler]

Sheriff that's up that the sheriff his best friend.

[Mike]

And if we sat here. I'm not gonna replay my whole episode. Please go watch it. It's a really good episode. I got a cockville on Cobb Copple OG on YouTube. It's called this team success suck cess episode.

[Tyler]

It's doing really well.

[Mike]

It is doing. It is doing very well locally. But my point of that is is this guy also bashed the sheriff and my. My here thing here is like, how do they become friends? Because it's money, politics, and. But so what? He did. Yes, he's allowed to videotape. I have no problem with that. I would have liked to seen. If that was me and I walked by, I would be like, hey, Lacey, just don't. Don't. You know, you get in shock. You're like, oh, God, here I am. I'm thinking about this trial. This guy walks up. I'd have been like, go. Go over there.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Get in the room.

[Mike]

Let me. Or I'd start talking to the dude. Like, hey, man, let me talk to you. But that makes. Is this argument, right? Are we. Do we white knight for females? Do we help them? Do we do more for them? That guy did nothing. But my argument on all this is that guy now has a direct connection to the sheriff. He's a sheriff's friend. He terrorized deputies. He pulled body cam. He pulled car. I'm sorry. Car cam. If you were speeding, he filed a speeding complaint against you. If he saw you dip in your mouth, he would go down to file complaint. He was just a terror. Is it all valid? Yep. You can complain anybody you want, but he terrorized the neighborhood. Or. I'm sorry, terrorized the sheriff's office. Then the sheriff brings him in as an associate.

[Tyler]

Did you mention he got fired?

[Mike]

Yeah, so I did. I understand this gentleman, Mike, He. He challenged me and threatened to sue me. And here's another thing he did that was very stupid. I waited. I talked about this. I waited tables in January of this year. I was bored.

[Tyler]

I was, like, sitting clear that up on Facebook.

[Mike]

You.

[Tyler]

You shared the. The. You shared the new studio, and you said, this is much better than waiting tables, my guy. Yes, but without context, everybody was like, dude, are you shitting on people?

[Mike]

No, I know. I think. I don't think. I think the people who knew knew. But what I was saying was he decides to come at me in my comments on Facebook. You go to my Facebook, Michael Dilks, you'll see me with the stupid. This hat on. He jumped in the comments when I posted about the incident, and he said. He mocked me for waiting tables. And what happened? Every waiter and person involved in the restaurant industry came out and said, are you. Are you mocking the profession? I waited tables for two months because I was bored. And I'm sitting at home going, I'm retired. I got Copville. I got nothing to do. I'm like. So I went to the guy that I helped him with the idea of starting A meal prep business. And it got me back running my mouth in public and talking to people. So it was very good for me to get my head right and get back out of like there's a little depression that follows 23 years of law enforcement and not being a cop anymore. But he. On the service industry, it caught. It backfired. And then he worked for a attorney in town.

[Tyler]

So he was actually the one insulting the service.

[Mike]

Correct. And then he worked for an attorney in town. And I understand that after wearing his shirt and causing a scene. He did. He no longer does.

[Tyler]

So he did that when he did your. His little cotvilles in the building. I'm trying to compose myself. He was wearing his employer shirt.

[Mike]

And at the beginning, if I didn't clip it. But at the very beginning of that meeting where it first comes on, you can hear him yelling at me and all over nothing. I, you know, I don't. I was a very aggressive cop. You'd see videos, obviously, my demotion video and all that. I'm yelling at the guy and all that. I have done a 180 and I am completely opposite. You see, you even get mad at me on sometimes. You're so sauce broken. You talk.

[Tyler]

When you do your own podcast, you. You talk like this. And you're. Because it's more informative, it's less. Your podcasts are more about getting information out there rather than energy.

[Mike]

I have a older community. If I'm swearing and yelling and carrying on, and even in this one, that's the most excited you're going to see me. Because I'm trying to let them know I'm not just some maniac that doesn't like the sheriff that's yelling and screaming. I'm here with actual fact going very calmly, this is the information. Here's the video. Here it is. Because I will not get online and say something unless I can back it up with receipts. I'm not going to speculate. I'm like, here's the arrest. Here's this guy's arrest. Here's him with the sheriff. Here's him posting this. Here's him running his mouth like it's all there. But then I'm a bad guy. Yeah. And you threaten me, threatened to sue me, which I thought was funny, that I got a team of lawyers. Well, he just lost his team, everybody. He lost his job. He lost his job with his team of lawyers and he threatened to sue me. And I always say, I.

[Tyler]

Are we gonna do. Are we ever gonna do counterculture main event?

[Mike]

I Would. There's just too many people to fight, dude.

[Tyler]

Me and you should just fucking do mixed martial arts bouts in Orlando and do a live podcast the night prior. Do weigh ins. Like, do a whole thing. And you and Mike Marsh just duke it out. I'll knock. I can't say it. I'll beat the out of somebody. I need to. You think you'd win?

[Mike]

They're not showing up.

[Tyler]

They wouldn't show up.

[Mike]

I'll do it. I'll do it. They'll clip you.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but they won't show up.

[Mike]

But then they'll. You know, they'll flip that back. I'm not here for violence. I'm not here to fight. I'm here to debate. Like, all right, I got the guy. I'd let him. I'd let him walk in and sit here. I know you wouldn't, but I would that you can. You can stay outside that day. I don't have a problem with it.

[Tyler]

Let's see here. You were on. So this blew my mind because you were talking about old people and I was watching your Ian Bick episode last night. You joined the army in 1996, bro.

[Mike]

I did.

[Tyler]

I was in the second grade. Maybe first grade, depending on what time.

[Mike]

Of the year I did, man.

[Tyler]

You. I will give it to you, Mike. You maintain yourself in a non homo way very long. Like, I would have guessed. You're like.

[Mike]

Everybody knocks. Steroids.

[Tyler]

You were like, 40, 42, tops.

[Mike]

Yeah, I'm 50. 40. I'm 49. I'll be 50 in May.

[Tyler]

Oh, you're not even in your 50s yet.

[Mike]

No, but I lived a backwards life, like, out of. Yeah, I was in great shape when I joined the military. And then I did what every other cop does is join and get fat. And then I woke up one day and I was like, 2014. I was like, no, today's a day. And I went and joined the local gym.

[Tyler]

I was so excited to do a Patreon drop of your investigation. And then Ian Bick dropped it last night for YouTube. So I was like, damn it.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's got a lot of views, too. There's more. We get that vulture back guy over, it'll kind of spin off of what I talked about on Ian Bick.

[Tyler]

Let's talk about Ian Bick. What was that like, what you said you this. So if you don't know who Ian Big is, he's associated with. What's that guy's name? No, I thought he was associated with who's the biggest YouTuber of all time.

[Mike]

Oh, Mr.

[Tyler]

Beast, he's associated with him, right?

[Mike]

He's, he's had him on.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

Ian Bick went to federal prison for I believe three years for some type of money crime, something to do with investing and all that. And he got out, he started this podcast and he is a really good dude. His studio is amazing. And when you walk in, this guy, if you haven't seen Ian Beck, locked in with Ian Beck, you walk in, you, you walk into a door and you think, oh, it's just in a regular building, looks like a basic office. You open the door and it's like walking into like Disney without all gay people. It's like walking into Disney. He's got pictures with the Kardashians. He's got pictures with Mike Tyson. He's got pictures with Mr.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Beast.

[Mike]

He's done all these celebrity podcasts. He recreated like his jail cell from the feds. He's got a replica 2 scale jail cell in there. His wife does a podcast. He's got a bar, he's got a place to. You can rent and record your own. He's got a dog running around, which I liked. He's got his dad, there's that talking about age, age and outstanding shape. His dad was, is 80. Dude's just in immaculate shape. Hanging out, like hanging out in the studio.

[Tyler]

So what do you think somebody, I mean, just, just out of curiosity, I'm not trying to pose in anybody's business, but like, what do you think someone. When you get out of prison, typically you never are rich. And this guy's clearly got a lot of money for the studio that he's doing.

[Mike]

I don't know. I mean, people want. So I would think it would be easier if you have a good personality and you've been in prison. I think more people are going to. People don't like cops and only he.

[Tyler]

Supports a very open platform.

[Mike]

He cuts cops on all the time.

[Tyler]

Yeah, all the time.

[Mike]

Great dude. Absolutely great dude, man. But nobody. If I sat, if we sat here and I have hundreds of really cool stories, nobody gives a about those spot entries. They don't want to hear that. But when you've been to prison, you've been through all that, that's cool and people want to hear about it, then you come out and be successful like he is and people want to hear about it. And like I said, it's a very good production. He's very. Everything is top notch. He's just a good dude. But yeah, I mean people want to hear those stories and he Gets inmates in. He gets former cops in. He gets all kinds of people in to tell. And that was the first time I felt, honestly, he's. He's very easy to talk to. Is the first time I really felt comfortable to go, like, dive into what. What I was invested the investigation into me. And to somebody that's been in prison that understands, and I don't know, he's very successful. He's a good dude, and I'd love to have him on down here and have him come.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that would be awesome.

[Mike]

And our guest guy came last week from Milwaukee. The guy was on Give Me the Book. He. He's going on, and I hear a lot of people going on. I'm going on Ian Beck and some people. That's how I found him.

[Tyler]

Oh, I put the book. I'm doing a bookshelf thing.

[Mike]

Okay. So I. But I got a DM that said, hey, you should go on Beck. Pat.

[Tyler]

Pat. That's o'.

[Mike]

Connell.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Patrick o'. Connell. He has the most Irish last name ever. Yeah. So he's going on his podcast.

[Mike]

No, I'm saying somebody suggested Ian Big. So I just reached out, like, hey, somebody mentioned your podcast. I didn't know anything about him, and we ended up being up there, and I guess I got screwed. I guess he flies people in and all that.

[Tyler]

I went.

[Mike]

My dumb ass went on my own time and drove there, so. But yeah, is what it is, man. Good. Good show. Good stuff. Give you informant. I finally started to talk about the real morons and crooks that I worked with. All right, what's on the list? Fired guy. Ian Big Collins. What do we got? Let me look. Make sure.

[Tyler]

Anybody want to call in?

[Mike]

Yeah, we got to do a welfare check on Clint.

[Tyler]

I hope he never runs out of jokes.

[Mike]

Well, you. Since nobody listened, nobody listens to me. I want to take Clint. Well, actually, never mind. Somebody started dealing with it. My goal with Clinton is, like, his stories need to be rebroadcast so everybody can listen to him. They need to put in a certain way, in a certain way. And somebody's working on it. No, somebody. He called me yesterday and said he's, like, started to fool with it, and. And he's working on it.

[Tyler]

All right, let me.

[Mike]

I'm starving, by the way. Lewis, you're right. I shouldn't do this with no, I, I. Cashews. Cashews and a protein shake.

[Tyler]

What do you typically eat for breakfast, Mike?

[Mike]

Yogurt and granola right before I go work out.

[Tyler]

What time do you work out on.

[Mike]

So if Joanna, if my, if, if my wife is working like she got. Go home to 5 o' clock this morning, if she was working typically today, I would probably go to the gym about 10. So I get up, take the dogs out, feed the dogs, hang out with the dogs a little bit, get up on my bazillion messages, catch up on all that, eat, go to the gym, workout.

[Tyler]

What's. What time is this? What time you wake up?

[Mike]

Well, I get thrown out of bed at 5:45 when she gets home. And then I, and then I go out in the living room, I sleep in a little bit on the couch. Then I go do the, eat breakfast about 9, 9:30 and then go to the gym about 10. Spend about an hour, hour and a half, I get home.

[Tyler]

You go to the gym with food in your belly.

[Mike]

Yeah. Yogurt, granola, if you want to count that as food. I don't eat a big.

[Tyler]

Got protein in it.

[Mike]

Yeah, I eat my protein. Or if I'm bored, if I'm in a hurry, I'll grab a shake at the gym, just chug like a 40 gram, 40 gram protein shake and then work out cardio, come home, then she usually wakes up, she eats, then she goes to work around five if she's off, we get up and do the same routine just together.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

Or if you rather.

[Tyler]

Unless you're here.

[Mike]

Well then I'm here. Yeah, I'm gonna go work out, eat and work out after this and then back on the show at 8.

[Tyler]

Did you like the trailer I made for the, the night shift?

[Mike]

Yeah, that. What, what account was that? That was a different account before, right? It was funny. No, dude, yeah, I'm already following it. Wait a second.

[Tyler]

So did you like the trailer?

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

No.

[Mike]

It's really good. I think the logo's good. The shirts, I ordered the shirts.

[Tyler]

They're not in yet.

[Mike]

They're not in yet? No. They're coming from California, so they weren't.

[Tyler]

In yet and, but yeah, so. All right, the. Again, we've explained it a lot. Eight o' clock tonight, Eastern time. Will be live on the new set. We'll have some friends in, you know, more relaxed environment, beers flowing, video breakdowns. That's more the show for like that type of stuff, you know. This is a. Turned into a broadcast. So it's as informative we can be if we got to play videos. They're relevant to the conversation. They're not just like what's next? What's next? Like we used to do on Squadcast. There's A time and place for that and that. I love getting people's opinions who aren't cops. Watching cops videos, that's my favorite because they're, you know, like the one we posted. I still can't believe how down the middle it is. Is the guy throwing elbows at the dude, just trying to kill him.

[Mike]

Distractionary.

[Tyler]

Distraction areas. Distracting himself from suicide, kill himself. And it's crazy.

[Mike]

Can we go back? I'll go back to that with you. Once he went limp.

[Tyler]

Hey, he stopped.

[Mike]

No, no, not from the battery. Aggravated battery. Once he would have gone limp from trying to choke himself with the seat belt. It would have loosened and he would be breathing again. You have to, you have to like not breathe for minutes. Minutes while you're being choked.

[Tyler]

You're saying, let him choke himself.

[Mike]

He wouldn't have died. It's just like an lvnr.

[Tyler]

Oh, my goodness.

[Mike]

He wouldn't have died. You guys killed him, man. You beat the shit out of him.

[Tyler]

He did die. He was saved and he's living another day thanks to law enforcement in his area. People. More people were commenting on the shitty elbow strikes than anybody. And then he topped it off. He went to close the door and then he's like, oh. And he does a sternum love real.

[Mike]

Quick and he wakes up. I like the guy on the passenger side, open the door and he's like, oh, dude, yeah, I don't want nothing to do with this. But yeah, that was a good one.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that was a good one.

[Mike]

Distractionary strikes.

[Tyler]

The most people really agreed with us on the being proactive where our argument was is that the more proactive you are, the more reliability and risk you put on yourself and your career and your job and the same dudes that don't do any of that, that just respond to calls, get paid the same amount of money. And it was very like. Usually we used to get guys like get out of the job if you.

[Mike]

Don'T want to do it.

[Tyler]

Remember those guys? Yeah, that was us. Yeah, that was us.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Back in the day.

[Mike]

Well, I still take that stand because like I said locally, my union, the union reps at the agency I work at are all soft. Never had their hands dirty. They're all. Most detectives and this. That clean cut dudes that don't really go out and pound the pavement.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And the guys who do are not going to go to a budget hearing and scream and yell about money. They're not even going to worry about voting. Most of them don't even bother going to vote because they know it's going to be unanimous for the contract, and they get screwed. Now, could you argue those dudes should speak up? Yes. But the majority in that realm just do what the agency tells them to do.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Why?

[Mike]

Oh, I'm up for promotion, man. I'm on the sergeant's list. I'm on the lieutenant's list, man. I don't want to buck the system. I'm just going to go along with just getting railroaded in this union vote and losing. Like, in our agency, we lost. They got their raises, which they're gonna get them anyway. They gave up holiday pay, man. They gave away money. Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, well, what I want to do is, for people in the chat, I want to get your opinion. I want to know, what do you think about police unions if you're not a law enforcement officer? So obviously, if you are a cop or a retired cop, you know that unions used to be way more effective back in the day, and they're really more effective geographically, depending on where you are in the country. Like right down here in the south, police unions literally have no power. And if you're fired, they're like, well, we'll try to get your job back, but, like, wrongfully fired.

[Mike]

But then up north, it was, dude, hey, you. You sold drugs. Oh, we got you. We'll keep your job. Yeah, that. We'll keep your. Just. So it's. It's just. It's, man.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's fun. So what's your. I want to know in the chats, what. What people think about policing is because a lot of civilians don't agree that there should be policing.

[Mike]

And a lot go. A lot also think that we have strong unions. Like, you guys got a union. You'll be okay. Yeah, right. My union rep didn't even answer the phone when I'm getting illegally called in for a drug test.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And then he's always got to be started.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, what do you think? Do you think it's fair for the civilian population? Do you? Do you? I mean, because I see a lot of our units. Yeah. They have unions if they work for, like, Coca Cola.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Or if they work for, you know, remember. Where'd we go? We went to D.C. d.C. To NTOA, bro. That entire.

[Mike]

That's a racket.

[Tyler]

That is a racket. So if you don't know how real unions work, we're not even talking about policing. Real unions make sure everybody gets paid very well and they don't have to put in for work. And you can't get work because a Union zone all.

[Mike]

So we go.

[Tyler]

We show up to the Gaylord Palms and watches George.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And we show up and the. We. We have a whole trailer full of shit. And all of a sudden this guy comes up and goes, yo, bro, you want some help with that? Now, we've been to conventions before where people have helped us because it's part of the convention. They got forklifts. They got guys. And we're like, yeah, sure, man. They brought our in. We're like, thank you. They were like, no problem, man. We got billed $5,000 for that. $5,000 for that.

[Mike]

Like, five forklift trips into the building.

[Tyler]

And here's the thing, dude, is it. It wasn't negotiable that $5,000 was being paid. Luckily, we didn't have to pay it.

[Mike]

Union work.

[Tyler]

Oh, my. I've never seen anything like.

[Mike]

And it was.

[Tyler]

And most those dudes were just sitting around.

[Mike]

There were dudes on forklift smoking cigarettes. I never saw one of them move. I lost my mic. There we go.

[Tyler]

There you go.

[Mike]

And I. I was like, I can't believe. So we.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

We asked the guy.

[Mike]

Remember we asked the guy at the shack, like, is this union word? Because we were curious. He's like, oh, yeah. You know, because even the guy at the guard shack was giving you work. No. He's like, what? But how about the lady? Remember the lady with the palate and getting yelled at?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Well, they. She was a supervisor, right?

[Mike]

I don't know what she was. And then here's the greatest part about union work. There was a dude driving around just screaming at everybody as the boss. He was the boss. One of the workers comes up to me, and I said. I was like, hey, is that the boss? He's like, yeah, usually smoking crack. And I'm like, what?

[Tyler]

And she was dead serious.

[Mike]

Dead serious. He goes, yeah. He usually leaves about noon. He goes and smokes crack the rest of the day. We don't see him for three days. And he comes back, he's the supervisor.

[Tyler]

She didn't smile.

[Mike]

No, He. She. It was not a joke because she wasn't. She didn't have the brain capacity to make a joke that's that good. And she said, this guy has a crack problem. He's the head guy that's bossing everybody around. Frequently disappears on payday to go smoke crack. And then they don't see him for, like, three days. And he just shows back up. Union work. Can't fire him. Can't get rid of him. Shows back up, and he goes back to Run the, running the show.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I mean, people have said, you know, in the comments. What? Hello?

[Mike]

Hello, you're on the air.

[Tyler]

Who is it?

[Mike]

Do you want to talk? Yeah, what do you got?

[Tyler]

Who is it?

[Mike]

What's your name? Mike. Oh, okay. Go ahead.

[Tyler]

No, it's not me onto the show.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

This is my first time, first time listening.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I think Mike's just changing his voice inflection or Clint, go ahead.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

No, this is not, I can guarantee you this.

[Mike]

That's not Clint.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

I'm a Yankee and Clint's, Clint's definitely Southern.

[Mike]

So you're his brother?

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Yeah, brother in law.

[Mike]

Okay. Okay, we're good. All right, talk to me.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Yeah. So in, in response to the unions and stuff, I had a business partner that was a retired Charlotte Fire department captain and he, they have one of the best retirement plans. And I don't know what if for you guys, if the issue is more trying to unionize as a day to day stuff or you guys looking more for retirement benefits and, and getting together that way or what.

[Mike]

So the union, the Florida Retirement system is actually one of the best in the nation. The Florida Retirement system is fine. There's not a problem with retirement. The problem we have in Florida is there is no power in the union. So if you get, if you get in trouble at work and it's not justified and they're coming after you, there's no recourse to go after the agency. And also in Florida, what I found out, no lawyers really want to sue the government in Florida. You go to California, up north, you see lawsuits, lawsuits, lawyers, nobody wants to sue. And the unions are very weak. So when it comes time for contract negotiations, obviously we can't go on strike here. Like the up north, big unions and all that can go on strike. We can't as police, we get arrested. So there is really no power to sway elections and to make politicians really do what they say they're going to do for us. So that, that's the problem with Florida union, with police.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Well, I would probably agree with you guys then that maybe the police do need to unionize. But one of the biggest problems that I have, the issues I have is police officers at the tail end of.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Their.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Profession going and stacking up their retirement pay by taking up all these jobs, bank their hours on and all that stuff. And then, you know, because the, the retirement is based on how many hours they put in the last year or two. And, and then their pension is based off of that. Right. So when I hear, you know, New Yorkers Bitch, you know, Yankees, those people, you know, bitching about their retirement, going away and stuff like that. It's like, well, I can't have any sympathy for you guys because you guys, that's padded your, you know, your, Your, your hours in, in the last, you know, couple of years. And so good riddance, you know.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

And, and I, I don't. I'm not against anti, you know, law enforcement, but, you know, I don't think it's right either to go pad all your, you know, just to get more money.

[Mike]

No, listen, I, I am very accountable. I didn't make 70 grand to almost my 18th year. I, I worked hard, very low pay. I started back when the dinosaurs were still walking. I. And, and I didn't make much money. I did the job because I enjoyed it and I thought it was the right thing to do. But then I saw the light at the end of the tunnel with retirement. But I worked. I didn't stack anything. I worked hard. I worked extra hours. I was a supervisor. My pay increase. So it definitely jumped my retirement up. But, yeah, anybody who does that, which transitioned me to like a Sean Reyes, an auditor, when he went to the trooper's house or the Connecticut trooper's house, that guy was making at a desk job, double money overtime, stacking his retirement, and nobody said anything. He goes to his house, knocks on the door, and then we have this viral video. So I agree with you that it's wrong for cops to manipulate the system to make more money to get a better retirement if they're only doing it for the money. Couldn't agree more.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

One, one last thing. I have a friend of mine that is a retired state trooper. State troopers in North Carolina, they make really good money, above average as far as patrol officers and law enforcement. And when he retired, he got a job at downtown municipality in the courthouse, making more money per hour doing that than he did per hour being a state trooper.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

So there's an option to go, you know, in for retirees to go work for the court system and the courthouse.

[Mike]

There's a lot of. We preach that a lot. There's a lot of jobs for cops, even if they don't get to retirement age, that pay good money and you're not stuck in the system. But, man, we appreciate you calling it, man. And we're gonna give Clint a class on timeliness and getting to the point. You need to teach it.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

He's got better. He's got better stories about.

[Mike]

He does have pretty good stories, but he has a way of.

[Tyler]

He Did a good storyteller.

[Mike]

He's a good storyteller, but when he tells you he's halfway done and he's not even a quarter of the way done it, I got to start giving the airborne.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Yeah, tell him to talk about his high school shenanigans.

[Mike]

High school story. Give me the best. Give me your real quick. Your, your funniest moment with Clint.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Well, my first introduction to him was I was, you know, dating my now wife and we started dating in January or July and it wasn't until her daughter's 16th birthday that she, my, my girlfriend at the time and now wife decided to bring me to meet the family. And it was that this municipal, you know, this municipality, you know, hall that we ended up getting together. And so my wife was over there setting up and stuff like that. And I came in late and drove separately and she's starting to introduce me to everybody and you know, she go to shake Clint's hand and he said, so I guess we won't be seeing you here next year on the next birthday party. And I was like, what? You know what, what an he was.

[Mike]

Insinuating she was going to get ready, huh?

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

Yeah, she's going to get rid of me and, and go, you know, try somebody else. But he also had a neighbor. He also had a neighbor that moved in and for the first time he was cutting lawn. And the guy was decided to introduce himself to Clint. And he had some weird names, something like Lance or something like that. He's like, you know, my parents, when I was born, they're thinking about naming me Lance. But you know, they, they thought that I might get bullied in high school for having a gay name. That was his first introduction.

[Mike]

I can see that.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

So he's just craft like that.

[Mike]

He's great ball dude.

[Caller (Yankee, Brother-in-law)]

No, no, no filter.

[Mike]

Yep, he is. Well, we appreciate calling in, man. Thank you so much for the support and send Clint our regards since we haven't heard from him today.

[Tyler]

Clint was in the chat, right?

[Mike]

All right, thank you. He hasn't tried to call in.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Clint was in the chats. I don't know if we have enough time.

[Mike]

You got to talk to your brother in law, man. He gets right to it. I got a little worried when I asked him for the next story and then but it went quick.

[Tyler]

Got to the point a lot of people are. So when tie in, we'll wrap up this, this union talk. But obviously unions for labor are much different than police because they originally there people were saying that's just the mob it is, like, real, like, affiliated with.

[Mike]

Yeah, Nikki, what's his name? It was just in there. Jimmy Hoffa. All that stuff. All those movies. Yeah, that was. That was it. The mob was involved. Teamsters, all that stuff. They were. But it protected those guys. And then here in Florida, really all it is here in Florida is legal representation.

[Tyler]

If you're in trouble, and that's a good thing to have the union for is if you shoot somebody, they pay for a lawyer and they actually supposedly, if they're doing it right, they actually lose. Use criminal defense lawyers that are actually really good at the job.

[Mike]

They do. But here's what lacks in Florida is when you're getting railroaded by your department. There's no civil attorneys. There's just nobody, including the union, that will go after them like you, Like. I didn't get in trouble. I didn't. I didn't get in a shoot shooting. I didn't get caught doing anything wrong. I am just a target of the agency because my husband runs a podcast or something to that effect. Maybe. I don't know, maybe just an example.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Nothing specific. Hypothetically or, you know, whatever. I supported the wrong candidate for sheriff. And now a lot of guys deal with that. There's nobody really to step in and go, this is a hostile work environment. You're being transferred, you're being targeted, you're being sent to the jail for no reason. You know what they say, like, his knees are the agency. I moved divisions. I'm not even certified in corrections. You can't do that. And there's federal laws, like when you get to EOC and stuff that say they can't. They can't make it where your life is just miserable.

[Tyler]

Oh, cop work, Ken.

[Mike]

They do. That's what I'm saying.

[Tyler]

Guys that. Guys that get fired. And I can't speak for every situation or every state, but typically if you live in a state where the chief fires you and then the union gets you your job back, rightfully fired, wrongfully fired, whatever, or, you know, your life is going to be hell there.

[Mike]

Gary Chapman.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Gary.

[Mike]

Detective, son. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Is this public? Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike]

He's back at the agency that fired him unjustly and he said he got the oldest car in the fleet.

[Tyler]

He's okay with us talking.

[Mike]

Yeah, he just got. He got screwed, dude.

[Tyler]

Where's he at in Florida?

[Mike]

No, I hate not knowing. He's not.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Dog the bounty hunter son, Gary Chapman. And we talked about this. It only went to this level because of his TMZ status.

[Mike]

Yeah, he Got into pursuit. There was a crash. Well in the policy. Everything went like it normally does. But because he's who he is. TMZ got the story. And Dr. Bounty's hunter son killed somebody and they let him go. He got his job back. And it's unfortunate, but he. And there's nothing he can do. Alabama. He's in Alabama. There's nothing he can do about that. And that's my argument is just like everything else. Mental health, mental health, mental health, mental health. The worst mental health is what's going on in the building and good cops getting screwed. And that's where. And where people. Because it's hard to imagine because everybody gets sold, even the civilian. You guys get sold this dream that we're all crooked cops. We all stick up for each other. All brotherhood. No. The worst backstabbers in the world are in that building. Why does it affect you? Affects you? Because cops are mentally ill because of how they're being treated in the building. And that relates to their service on the street and how they deal with. You can't tell me. Like that girl Lacey getting harassed, completely legal, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

She got to go back to work. After that she starts getting calls that she's on world Star because she just went viral and she's getting.

[Tyler]

That video went viral. Nothing happened.

[Mike]

It keeps going. Damn Lacey.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

That whole damn Lacey part.

[Mike]

It went. Vibe it was bad, you know.

[Tyler]

Listen. Damn Lacey.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

He said her name.

[Mike]

Damn Lacey. You gotta remember this like 10, 12 years ago when nobody was really auditing cops.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Nobody was doing that.

[Tyler]

10 or 12.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Holy guacamole. So now 10 years. Maybe 8, 10.

[Tyler]

A long time.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

My exaggerate. So it's somewhere in there.

[Mike]

But that went viral.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

So now she leaves that courthouse, goes back to work, she's getting blown up that she's viral and that all that's going on. And then she has to go to a domestic or to a critical incident. So that's where the.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You don't want. You don't want people handling critical incidents like that without any. Their mind. Without their mind be on anything but the job.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like you don't want that person you.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Have enough to deal with outside the building.

[Mike]

Could.

[Tyler]

Could it be said that, you know, at anybody's job there's stressors at work.

[Mike]

I'm not being. So. Just so you guys understand, I'm.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

I'm very.

[Mike]

I don't. I'm not the whole cops.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

You.

[Mike]

Well, cops working on holidays. It's so sad.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

No, we signed up for this, but we Signed up to deal with it from the public. I didn't go, hey, I'm going to swear into the Constitution oath. I'm going to go out and get shot at. I'm gonna go out and run into your house when you're having the worst.

[Mike]

Day of your life. I'm gonna pull over drug dealers and.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Hopefully I don't get shot. I knew I was doing that. I'm cool with that.

[Mike]

I was sold though. Retirement, camaraderie, Brotherhood, family.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

And I was told that's how it's going to be. And I quickly found out it was the most toxic, gaslighting, abusive relationship I ever, ever could. Could never have imagined. It is.

[Tyler]

Do you think all of Cloud has been like that forever, do you think?

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

I think it was worse. I think we actually were on the hook because now we have lawsuits, we have lawyers, we do have a little bit of social media.

[Tyler]

No, but do you think when the brother we always say the Brotherhood's dead, do you think that it ever once was.

[Mike]

Was.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

But I think. I hate to say it, but I think it was like organized crime. Like they were cops were doing wild in the 70s and 60s and eight 70s dude. So they were protected. So it just like it's. Yeah, you get we asked for us. Where is it Comes in like you get what you asked for, man. You got a brotherhood and they were abusing the shit out of it. So now there isn't one. Because all the abuse and all the shit that the crooked shit cops did. So it's like.

[Mike]

And I. I do not fault the.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Public for being upset with the police in certain situations. When you see these videos come out. Untrained cops doing dumb shit. I do fault the public though. When you jump on the cops that do do their job the right way and you bring race into it strictly to be a victim. But when a cop does something wrong, we all should jump on the train that he did something wrong. And we should also not kneel down for George Floyd and all that garbage all those cops did and all those agencies didn't. We shouldn't be walking in no Kings protests like the female chief of Austin.

[Tyler]

Police Department should be working with Antifa.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

We should not be working with Antifa. We should be to the people. So you made a good point though.

[Mike]

I'll give you your argument there, that.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

They are part of that community and that's a community's beliefs. I never thought of it that way. So if I'm in a completely democratic gay rights, transvestites are cool. All that Stuff is cool mentality in, like, Portland.

[Mike]

Do I adapt to that and then.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Do my police become that? And I. As long I don't.

[Mike]

That was.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

That was the first time I've heard that presented that way. But you still have to uphold the law. So it's just like I said, if you're in a heavy Republican county, you can't. And all Republicans are racist. We can't just. Just be racist. We have to uphold, like, hey, your views are wrong. You can't think all black guys driving down the street are guilty. You can't. I have to enforce the law. So in those neighborhoods where everything is so far left, you still have to say, what about this homeless guy's throwing at people? He's got to get his ass whipped.

[Mike]

And taken to jail.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

You can't just go, oh, he's homeless, poor guy, he gets to sling on everybody. So it's like you have to. You have to enforce the law.

[Tyler]

What about white dudes driving around in black neighborhoods?

[Mike]

They get pulled over and if they got that stupid fucking truck. Yeah, what do they call it?

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

There's a term for it.

[Tyler]

Cone in the back.

[Mike]

It's a jacked up trial.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

They call it some stupid. I can't think of what it's called, but yeah, they're morons too, dude. So anyway.

[Tyler]

All right, guys, we're gonna wrap it up, if you can. We got a long day to. We got a long day to prep for. We got tonight's first ever episode of the Night Shift.

[Caller (Brother-in-law)]

Seven hours to kill.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, we got a lot to do, so if you guys could show up tonight, let us know you're here. We'll have some guests. We'll be chilling, drinking beers, breaking down videos. It'd be a good time. So thanks again for joining. We'll see you. If you can't make it tonight, which I know you will be, we'll see you Monday morning.

[Mike]

Thanks, guys. Sav team for life.