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Sateen for life.
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Good morning.
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It's Thursday, November 6th. The Anti Hero broadcast is the broadcast for veterans, first responders and all blue collar Americans. Quick shout out to our sponsors, HP TRT. That's HP TRT.com Human Performance. Use promo code HERO and save 20 on your testosterone and your peptides and your GLP2s and everything you need for your weight loss or muscle building journey or just general men's health. Go to Human Performance or excuse me, go to hpdr.hp-trt.com use promo code HERO. Save 20. I know Mike's staring at me because I that up. Elevated Silence. Go to elevated silence dot com. Use promo code ANTI HERO15. So that promo code right there, don't use that one. Use anti hero plus 15 at the end of it. Save 15 off your hands. We're firing Lewis now. They got everything.
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Oh no, don't leave me.
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Good. Don't forget Patreon. Oh, there you go, Patreon. I got banned from DMS for 24 hours. Don't lose access to Copville. Please join our Patreon. We're going live right after this show and we're live throughout the week. We're doing giveaways specifically for the Patreon group. Please consider joining. We're not begging for money. But I answer. Tyler answers a lot of messages and they get lost in the sauce and.
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Sometimes actually we're both in there. I think you did it. You think I did it?
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Yeah. So if you get on Patreon, it'd be much easier for us to answer those questions about your agencies or where to work and all that stuff you guys want to gossip about and Then also we go live throughout the week and we're doing special giveaways that are just in the Patreon group outside of the ones we're doing live on the air. So please consider and don't forget, tonight is Thursdays for the boys on the night shift on Counterculture tonight, breaking down videos, hanging out with the boys, drinking some beers. So please tune in tonight at 8:00pm on counterculture and. Or the anti hero broadcast, YouTube.
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And on Fridays, we're going to be going live on Patreon as a studio.
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Yes, we are.
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I forgot about that.
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Yeah, so that's. That's going to be fun. I figured out how to do that because we're. And we have our Patreon giveaway to do today. Don't let me forget to do that.
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We're bringing him in now or we're gonna go to the comments.
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Well, do we have any super chats?
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Yeah, we got comments. Super chats.
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Yeah. Dylan. Dylan Matts says New York is six feet from the edge right now.
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Yeah.
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Because we were playing Creed.
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Oh, it's bad. It's one of our topics for today.
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So.
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I mean, it is the topic. It's the thumbnail.
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Yeah, I covered it a little bit last night and I've gotten them some messages and statistics on what's going on up there.
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Definitely need to talk about Sal too.
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And what the song, obviously. We got more plane crashes, the ffa, FAA shutdown snaps half snap now.
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It still hasn't come through for a lot of people. So, I mean, that's what they're saying.
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But I mean, who.
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We have the longest government shutdown in history now.
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Y.
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37 days now.
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Yeah. We'll talk about conveniently just past the election. They kept it shut. They kept it shut down just past the election. Watch how quick we get back up.
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We have a guest, a remote guest.
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First time.
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Yeah. His name is Ryan Macbeth. He is an analyst, right?
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Yeah, He's a massive YouTube channel.
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Massive YouTube channel.
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He's on Newsmax. I mean this guy's. He's. He's pretty squared away. There's a lot of people that listen to what he has to say.
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Yeah.
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And he's got some good info, man.
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Yeah. So we, we are bringing him on. Let's bring him on right now. He is. He saw our reel about. Hey, what's up, Ryan?
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How you doing?
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Hey, buddy.
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He saw a reel about China shooting down American aircraft laser. So, Ryan, first off, I don't know if you. I apologize. The next thing, because I should have front Loaded the fact that it was a conspiracy theory and put on our tinfoil hats. I did label that strictly China shoots down American aircraft. So I took full blame for that. That's my bad. But you reached out and you wanted to offer some insight on that whole thing.
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This is great fan of mine, you know, because I have people all the time, they'll ping me on Instagram or they'll send me an email or Twitter and they'll say like, hey, can you look into this? And that that particular guest had claimed that a laser went and shot down two American aircraft. Now a couple of weeks ago, an F18 and a helicopter crash, the South China Sea, but in the Pacific theater. And the guest had said like, oh, it was a laser that could have shot down there. There's no way it could have been a fuel thing. And the first thing I thought of was, ah, somebody needs to understand the inverse square law. And I guess this is kind of what, what makes me a fairly good intelligence analyst because it's, it's one of those things that like I, I, I know all of this stuff. You know, like I, I was talking about a video someone had, I was talking about the M7 rifle, which I, I made a YouTube video about the, the Army's new M7 rifle and YouTube actually demonetized it. Talking about firearms.
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Gotta love that conspiracy.
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I should have checked that little box. But I thought, oh, I'm not talking about firearms. I'm talking about the theory of a designated marksman uses or what a, what a rifleman should be, right? And I guess I talked about firearms a little too much. But in that particular video, I mentioned a movie called Alien Nation where a guy ran out of COVID You know, in the beginning of Alien Nation, these guys were trying to, to, to turn over a liquor store, rob a liquor store, and these two cops were fighting back. One guy had a street sweeper and the, the slugs are going right through a car that a cop was using as cover until the cop ran out of car and kind of likened that to the M7. How with the M7 we're going to be able to penetrate barrier material and then eventually vests. The fact that I can remember a scene From a movie 30 years ago, yeah, it has really served me well. But essentially for square law, you know, lasers, they maybe have a max range when it comes to destructive power of about 3km. It depends on the power of the laser. But you also get into atmospheric fusion and such. But if, if you, anytime you shoot light at something, the power of that radiation and light is radiation. The power that goes down for as you double the distance, you. The power goes down by the inverse of the square. So if you have your. Your hand by a candle, right? By a candle, you can burn your hand, but if you're at the other side of the football stadium, you're probably not going to burn your hand on that candle.
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Right.
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And so as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, nope. You look at something like the M. Shorad or the Navy Helios. The Helios laser on the. I think it's 60 kilowatts. The army's mirt.
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Talking about the one that's on that Arleigh Burke, I think.
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Well, they put one on the Ponce. I'm. I don't know if one is on the Burke quite yet, but maybe. I mean, no, I'm at the class.
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Not the. Not the actual.
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Oh, the Arleigh Burke. Yeah. I mean, they might have one on Arleigh Burke class destroyer. I don't know if that's the case yet.
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Ryan.
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Yeah, here's.
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First of all, this. You know, Tyler took, You know, he took his hits. Let me take mine. Normally, what I, I have a pretty significant difficulty here. I'm. I'm surrounded by, you know, bros that I, you know, I've been around. I was in the infantry for 10 years. I was used to being the guy that, like, everybody would go to be like, jimmy, what's going on with this? And then people's eyes start glazing over, so you've got to, like, condense everything down. And so I don't get the opportunity to normally go into the nuance of things. And because things just happen fluidly on the show.
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That's the bad thing about podcasts sometimes, right? Because you're expected to answer a question like that. And I've had people say, oh, technically that was an SM3, not an SM6. You know what I'm talking about?
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Yeah. And so, like, what. Normally, like, we all. Everybody here, we enjoy arguing conspiracy theories. We love it. And so, like, if I'm doing my deep dive, because normally I spend about two to four hours a day, depending on the news cycle, trying to go through, okay, what's it.
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What happened?
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What's the depth of it? And what's going to be most important. And while I'm in the process of doing that, you're reading comments and you're going on Reddit and you're like, oh, here's a funny, interesting conspiracy theory. And. And we've been doing that since the beginning. And if I wasn't clear about it, that's exactly what we were saying. Now, I. I've been watching you for a while. You're one of the sources that I have. So I. I go to your channel and go, okay, here's what the deal is. But when I have all of that coming in it, this. Things are just moving way too fast for me sometimes to just kind of, like, keep it contained. And, you know, I. I really want to be able to give people good information, but I also want to be able to talk about stuff and go, hey, people are saying it was shot down with a laser. And you never get the opportunity to go, okay, guys, that probably didn't happen. But then, I mean, I got people in my DMs that are telling me, like, I was a fueler for, you know, in the Navy for 20 years, and unless the. The fuel guys didn't do the right thing, it wasn't a fuel problem. So you had, like, all of the fun stuff to talk about a conspiracy theory, and we just didn't edit it the right way. Now, I also know that, like, one of the big things that you hate is the pla. And for people that don't know, that's the people's liberation. I know you hate the PLA. I hate the PLA, too. I was in the 25th Infantry Division. They're my arch nemesis. So I. I was like, when. When Tyler told me you contact him, I was like, I will bet. Like, the pla, they did not do that. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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I.
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Well, they would have had to have get. Gotten within three miles of a carrier.
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Right.
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And nothing. Getting within three miles of a carrier. Yeah, like, absolutely nothing. Like, it's. I've been on a carrier before. If you were. Well, you were 25th. But, you know, if anyone's a Marine, like, you got a whole basketball team surrounding that carrier, right? A basketball team. Barley Burke class destroyer destroyers. And usually there's a submarine moving with.
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Them, probably a guided missile cruiser.
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Yeah, well, the ones we have left. Right, because we're getting. Yeah, but like, yeah, like, this one dude reached out to me. You gotta correct this. Do a video on it. I'm like, I'll do you one back.
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Right.
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Like I said.
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Yeah, you gotta. There's. There's people who are genuinely, like, malicious conspiracy theorists, and there's like, all right, someone made a mistake kind of thing. And. And sometimes people make mistakes, and that's. That's understandable.
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Right.
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You know, but you know what? You got me on here. Like, I don't have my flight until I, I, I'm actually in San Francisco right now and I gotta tell you, I, I, I have never seen this much, much poop in my life. I am genuinely impressed by the, the amount of feces on the streeter. Last time I was in San Francisco, it was, it was fine.
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And what are you doing out in San Francisco?
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You know, once in a while I have these podcast runs and so I'm going from, like, I was in LA the other day and now I'm in San Francisco and tonight I gotta fly to Las Vegas. And then I'm also a novelist and I, then I gotta go see my, my agent in, not my agent, my proofreader in Seattle. So, yeah, I was here and I was, I went to a basketball game, I went to see the Clippers and then I went to see the, the, oh, my God, Golden State warriors last night. And not last night, two nights ago. So, yeah, it's, it's not a bad trip, especially if someone else is paying for it.
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Right?
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You get to go see a basketball game and, and go on a podcast and, and get, get the word out there. But I'm here right now if you guys want to talk.
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There is, there is something I wanted to ask you about because you did a video recently about Venezuela and, and what's going on in Venezuela. Yeah. And we've been covering that pretty heavily. In fact, I think we're one of the few places that are actually like, hey, here's an update on what's going on in southcom. So your point of view, and correct me if I'm wrong, your point of view is that the Venezuela thing is a, I don't want to call it a boondoggle, but it's sort of a waste of ordinance. I think that's what you said. It's a waste of ordinance, a waste of combat power, and it's a waste of, you know, military ram space when we should be focusing on what Xi Jinping said where, hey, we're going to go to war with them in 2028. We need to save that ordinance and that combat power for that potential threat. My question is this, I mean, wouldn't it be advantageous for us to shore up the Western hemisphere?
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So you would, you would think that right now what we might be able to do is we might drop a couple of bombs on Venezuela and just let Maduro know, like, you know what? Go, go find some country in Africa to flee to with your millions and allow I forget the woman's name. The woman who won the whole, who actually won the election.
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Yeah, I know you're talking about, you.
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Know, let her, let her in. One of the issues with, with actually invading Venezuela is that we're going to use a lot of combat power to just kind of sit there. And when you think about it, like, in some ways we already have our southern hemisphere covered. I mean, Venezuela is really no worse than Cuba, and Cuba's right off our border.
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Right.
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And Cuba really hasn't done any stupid stuff since the Cuban Missile crisis in what, 1963. I think 63 or 64 say that that's when people go those in 65, you know, like trying to remember this stuff. I think it was in 63.
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Yeah.
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So the, so you know, one, one of the one argument I, I put a squash on this was, oh, Russia's gonna put Arashnik missiles in Venezuela. Like, I don't think Russia has the capacity to manufacture that many Arushnik missiles. And even if they do, then they're gonna have to, to build the launch sites there. They're gonna have to pay all the bribes to people to get the sites built. There's probably going to be construction problems because God knows you pay a contractor to build this thing. The contractor is used to dealing with the Maduro government. So hey, I want to bribe for this, I want to bribe for that. And then you have shoddy construction, the new missiles don't fit correctly, and then you gotta, it would be a bigger. And anyway, Russia doesn't need to put a Rushnik missiles inside of Cuba because they, they have intercontinental ballistic missiles that can hit us in 30 minutes and submarine launch ballistic missiles. KRC. No point, right? Like, it, it's, it's a lot.
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I mean, they're still trying to figure out how to, you know, conduct their invasion without doing PMCs.
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They're, they're watching Russia during the war in Ukraine. What's. It has been fascinating because when I was in, God, back in the 90s, one of the, the jobs I had was I was op for at one in, in Germany, at Honsfeld, cmtc. And you know, we, we would fight against NATO, we would probe.
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Would probe.
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Oh, there's, there's the gap. And then just run an entire freaking wall of simulated Soviet steel through that gap. And I remember thinking like, Jesus Christ, if we ever actually fight Russia, we're in a lot of freaking trouble. And looking at it today, I realized like, the reason we were able to so, so overwhelm NATO is that, number one, we knew the territory. I mean, any OP4, whether it's the 11th ACR in, in Fort Irwin or NTC. Yeah. Or, or JRTC. These guys, they know the train. But also we have modern NCOs. We have professional NCOs, backbone of the army. Russia really doesn't have that level of professional nco. And so one of Russia's big problems is that when the officer gets killed, nobody really knows what to do.
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Right.
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And that was a huge issue. Yeah.
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I, I hate. Dude, I, I would talk to you all day. Unfortunately, we'll talk again. I. Let me, let me just ask, like, did we, did we address the problem? I mean, I. Did we. Did we?
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Did we?
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Yeah, you guys are great.
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Okay.
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I, I wouldn't have even known about it unless I had one of my guys, like, message me, like, you need to talk.
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I say this all the time. The clip served his purpose. Awareness. I, I treat them like movie trailers or, you know, I definitely don't try to put out wrong information. That is 100 what I don't do. But if I'm wrong, the only benefit is that it reaches someone like you who can come on and correct the record. So where, where can everybody find you? I mean, your YouTube's huge. It's massive. When you, when you flashed on me, I was like, no way. And I was like, oh, man, it is huge.
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Well, type in ryan Macbeth into YouTube. You can find me there. Ryan. Beth.substack.com is where I put all the footage that I can't show on YouTube, like Hamas.
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Okay.
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Swacking people and so on. And you can also grab my book, the Wind Machine at Amazon. And I appreciate you guys having me on. Thank you so much. There's a lot of value to accept the correction.
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Hopefully it's not as bad as they said it was. Hopefully you enjoyed it.
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We'll be a lot harder on the CCP and, and the PLA from now on. A lot harder.
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Thank you guys for having me.
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Take care.
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All right.
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Thank you.
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Well, I'm glad we were able to get somebody that knew that stuff.
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I, I, Yeah, I, I had a feeling that, you know, when, when he reached out, like, I was like, I can. I, I can. I know what the problem is here. I can, I can fix this. And it's always better to have an ally, even somebody like him.
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Well, he's a professional. He's not just a clickbait, you YouTuber that wants to say we're wrong and, you know, clip us and. No, no. Yeah, we have enough of those, he's actually a journalistic analyst.
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He goes on Newsmax all the time. I mean, people. There's a lot of people that listen to what he has to say now. You know, I mean, if we had had three hours, me and him could have sat there.
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I know. I was starting. My eyes were starting to glaze over.
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I know, because again, and that's. That's what I was trying to say is that, like, I can't do what he does here.
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Yeah, we.
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We have a completely different audience and a completely different group of people, and.
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Well, everybody's waiting for when Jimmy's gonna start a show. We just don't know when Jimmy's gonna start.
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Dude, Jimmy's gonna start a show rapidly. Everything's there. It's just a matter of.
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Call it glazed over.
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Yeah, well, so we. We gotta go. We gotta talk about Jack again.
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Yeah, well, we'll get right into it. The GO fund. Did you send it?
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I sent it to you.
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All right. Can you go to our Instagram? So Jack here, the humble man that he is, told his entire story about having leukemia and all that, what he went through with his department. And, you know, we didn't even plug Jack's GoFundMe. So Jack obviously has a GoFundMe started by firefighters, Fire department. Yeah, that's. I guess they do something, right? Yep. But, yeah, the guys at the fire department started a.
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It's going to be on the messages. Lewis, you have to go down.
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It's Lewis's first day, man.
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C
I know. You sure you sent it to.
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Did you send it to go to requests?
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Oh, because we. Oh, you have to call me out like that. We don't follow you. Oh, there you go.
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C
That's what I'm talking about.
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Patreon, guys. All right, so there's Jack's GoFundMe.
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B
Not yet.
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C
Not yet. Oh, it's not like the old program.
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We're doing it. We're doing it. That. Jax. GoFundMe is right here. There it is. You guys can donate, give a little bit. What. What's. What are some common things for you? I've never actually had someone talk about their own GoFundMe. What are some things that the GoFundMe helps with?
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So right now. So my dad has gone through three jobs in the last year, so that's three out of pocket deductibles that need to be met by the end of the year. And we're thinking like $15,000 a piece. And so with all the medical expenses, like, alone, I think my hospital stay the first month I was there was like 320, $25,000. So this is to help out with medical expenses because chemo is not treat cheap. So it is something to do just to help my parents out and then help support me since eventually, like, I'm not going to get any money from anything.
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We need to do an event to raise money. That's what we need to do. We need to do like a run or a dodgeball event.
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Fly back down.
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C
You're this.
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I'm telling you, that is the key.
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C
I thought you were a joke.
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No, I'm not. Jets here, like, like, imagine an anti hero 8 man dodgeball team. We start calling people out and we win. Like, can you imagine?
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B
Like, like, I mean, are we head hunting?
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A
We can film it.
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It's like a pay per view.
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A
Yeah, we could put it on Patreon. A dodgeball tournament. You know, we, we start calling some people out, we win, and everybody's like, dude, they couldn't beat us. And dodgeball the joke. Like, we take it seriously.
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And we're gonna have to start having practices.
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C
You can bring it down, Louis.
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All right, so that's Jack's GoFundMe. If you can go, go drop a donation. Obviously we'll drop one at the end of the show and we'll also do.
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C
Jack, we're not playing.
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And there's also a long. There's a long update. We updated the GoFundMe the other day with how things were going. So if anyone wants to take a read on that too from things I haven't talked about there, those will be on there as well.
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So an update on the meth cop. I had somebody from that agency reach out to me and this is what he said. He doesn't want to come on because he said his voice is very distinct, but I'm a sergeant with New Orleans PD. I saw the story about the 7th district officer that was caught smoking meth on duty a few years ago. I don't know know if anyone else has ever reached out to say anything about this, but allow me to say a couple things. One, I didn't know the guy, never supervised him, no idea what kind of officer he was or anything. None of his FTO time came through my district, so likely would have finished a career and never met him. The incident that started this whole thing was an officer involved shooting. Well, a lethal force encounter where he was involved. I never looked into exactly what happened, but the entirety of the department agrees that one incident is ground is Ground zero for this guy. That one incident is ground zero. Anyway, he went through what he went through. His chain of command never reached out to him to help him with any officer assistance program things. As a matter of fact, his lieutenant, who has since been fired from the job, but not because of this, it's because he was a shitty leader. He got caught up in sexual harassment issues and lost his job.
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Tenants and sexual harassment.
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Clip that one. Anyway, the LT took it a step beyond getting this officer help and actually started calling him a and openly mocking him for not being able to handle it like a man. His lieutenant made sure the guy felt isolated and felt singled out. All because he was having a hard time processing a deadly force encounter. Well, that type of activity led to questionable at best decision making with this guy. He started surrounding himself with people, I cannot say who, but we all have heard it with strippers and such who did not mock or ridicule him.
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No, they want that cash.
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He apparently confided in some of those people who turned him on to meth as a form of self medicating. And of course it worked for him. He started using and getting through his shifts. I personally have no idea how long it carried on until he was caught. But I do know this. His body cam and in car camera were activated automatically when the priority of a call of a burglary alarm went out and, and an officer who passed him nearby with lights and triggered it. Okay, so it, so the body cam was triggered by an officer. Whatever system they use.
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C
Exxon does it the devil?
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The devil? Yeah.
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C
No, it's, it's a, it's a distance thing. Axon has a distance thing. So if I activate my taser and you're within a certain amount of feet of me, it comes on. So if you drive by a guy, you can get it to come on.
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A
So when his supervisor was conducting the BWC audit, she caught the activity and brought it up. An internal investigation was started. The chief saw an underlying issue of terrible leadership and basically said we are not firing him. You his leadership broke him. We the department will fix him. The guy went through rehab and everything was successful. When he came back to work, he realized that he could not do it with the integrity any longer and he could not promise he could stay clean. So he left voluntarily. And that is the long and short of the story as he as a department as a whole knows it. As far as admin reassignments and all, y' all know how it works. He's accused of stuff and an investigation has to be conducted before he can be fired under civil services rules. The local news picked this story up again and ran with it because the city is in a 160 million dollar deficit and police overtime is at a forefront of the issue as far as looking for root causes is concerned. He said. He went on to say I would have. That's when I. He had. There should be a story that he did after it all happened probably last year or so where he spoke to reporters about what happened and how he just didn't think he could do the job any longer. It was after his rehab stint. Those piranhas in the news media were really sympathetic to him at the time. But this time around they clearly used the story for a reason. The officer's name is Maurice Bailey. And then he went on to talk about some of his leadership. So that's the full story. So in the clip when I said there's got to be more to this story, I knew there was. It doesn't excuse anything. Doesn't excuse using meth. Doesn't excuse using meth on duty. And I will go to say I sound like, you know, a bible thumper. But he laid in bed with the devil and the devil gave him meth. He just went surrounding himself with the easy way out. People that are gonna like him no matter what because like Mike said, he's giving him cash.
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C
So that's an interesting story because that usually never happens. An agency never usually admits any fault in any that. And I'm gonna be the conspiracy guy. Who's the chief? Are they, do they know each other? Are they, Is there race is a fact? Is race a factor? Is there any other factors? It just, I mean it's good for him. I mean admitted fault but it, that, that just never ever, ever happens.
- [28:24]
A
It's possible that they just have a really good chief that's disgusted with his chain of command. I've seen it. You know. Or maybe the case Dirty himself.
- [28:33]
C
Yeah. He found out. That's the day he realized. But if you're, I mean come on, you can walk around an agency and tell who's a bag.
- [28:38]
A
Yeah.
- [28:38]
C
Being an outsider. So that's the day like I get it. It just sounds, I, I mean I, I, I understand the downfall and the mental health that goes with the critical incident and all that. And it's possible to spiral out of control and get into that behavior. I mean I did it with alcohol, so I can relate to.
- [28:56]
A
Yeah. But it's kind of an extreme to go to meth.
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C
Yeah.
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A
If it was introduced to Him. He's a young guy. He surrounded himself with people, you know, with, again, Bible thumb or demonic intentions. You know, they're. They're just. They're people that bathe and live in.
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C
Sin all day, and I'm sure, like, him being a cop. We'll get information, we'll keep him close, we'll know what's going on. We can do our drugs in peace with the cop on board. Like, that all goes through their head.
- [29:23]
A
So, yeah, I would love to talk to this chief of police, if anybody knows anybody.
- [29:28]
C
What was the agency again?
- [29:29]
A
New Orleans.
- [29:30]
C
Oh, it's a black female. I'm pretty sure.
- [29:33]
A
Well, at the time when this happened. Years ago.
- [29:35]
C
Like, two years ago. Yeah, when they got mowed down.
- [29:37]
A
That doesn't sound like a black female.
- [29:39]
C
Yep. That. When she was the one that was on the news when. When the guy ran over everybody and they shot him in the parade. Oh, pretty sure it's a black female.
- [29:50]
E
What year?
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C
Two years ago.
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A
That doesn't mean we don't want to talk to her.
- [29:52]
C
No, no, no.
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B
The current chief of police for the new. Yes.
- [29:57]
A
And Kirkpatrick. Yeah, you're already.
- [29:59]
B
And it's just white.
- [30:01]
C
Oh, that's right. It's that old white lady.
- [30:03]
E
That's right.
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C
I knew I made a meme about. I knew I made a meme about her. I couldn't remember. She's the one that was on a video. Yeah, she's ancient.
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A
Hey, Lewis, Google. What's her name?
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E
Anne.
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A
Kirk Patrick and Kirk Patrick, New Orleans.
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B
She looks like. She looks like she's about to get on her broom.
- [30:19]
A
She looks like the kids.
- [30:20]
B
Serious?
- [30:21]
A
Remember the kid in Jaws that got eaten by the shark and his mom slapped sheep? Brody. Except she looks older than that, dude.
- [30:27]
C
Like, she's.
- [30:28]
B
Dude, I have a picture right here, man.
- [30:30]
C
Like.
- [30:30]
A
Well, we're gonna have Lewis pull it. Oh, man. How long is it gonna take?
- [30:33]
B
A long time.
- [30:37]
A
Well, while Lewis does that, we'll go, whoa, there she is. Oh, yeah, you can pull it up and just show the Google browser.
- [30:45]
C
He's working on it.
- [30:46]
A
Dude, you're doing a good job, though. Streamyard is actually a lot more complicated than streamlabs that we were using before.
- [30:50]
B
I don't think she's coming on the show.
- [30:54]
A
Oh, my goodness. That is an old lady.
- [30:56]
C
She was. I trained her. I was her fto. Yeah, I don't think she's coming on the show. She's. She might come on if, like, she could call in on a rotary. You got a landline in here, Dude? All Right.
- [31:10]
A
I mean, I'll still try and get around. I would love to know. I would love to hear it from her, but. Yeah. All right, you can bring it down, Lewis. She's probably not gonna come on now.
- [31:19]
C
I'm think I'm thinking of a meme.
- [31:21]
B
Well, I mean, it. Hey, it's no insult to say an old person is old.
- [31:25]
C
I'm thinking of.
- [31:26]
A
We went on and on. Talk about.
- [31:28]
C
There's a meme I saw the other day. It was like a. It was a video. It was an old, older lady, grandma in, like, a water park with her family, and she was in pretty good shape for her age. And the first comment was like, what's grandma's landline? It was like. The comments were gold. It was like, can your grandfather fight?
- [31:46]
B
She's probably gonna send us something by owl.
- [31:48]
C
Oh, man.
- [31:50]
A
So we did a clip. I put out a clip. We talked on our. On the Night shift, where we all go out in the other studio, and we do it Thursday nights at 8 Live. We talked about suppressors versus silencers, and we upset the entire Internet with that clip. You guys.
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C
Oh, yeah, A lot.
- [32:08]
B
People are like, you know, talking about Hiram Maxim and.
- [32:14]
A
Well, I mean, essentially, what were they arguing? The fact that silencer was a term used.
- [32:20]
B
Right. So there's like, hey, silencers are real. The first one. I. I'm gonna go look at the comments again. But I. I want to say it was like, higher maximum. Right. Or one of those guys that, you know, basically patented the first noise canceling device that goes on the end of a barrel, and he called it a silencer. Right. So technically it is true. And. Okay, cool. You know what else is. Is true? People hear the term silencer. This is my argument against it. People hear the term silencer, and they think that it's like the movies where you're like, remember in the 80s? Like. Like, that is not how.
- [32:56]
A
Like Golden Eye.
- [32:57]
E
Yeah.
- [32:58]
B
You know, like, I mean, everybody in this room, with the exception of probably Lewis, has fired a suppressed weapon at least once.
- [33:04]
C
Lewis.
- [33:04]
A
Right.
- [33:05]
B
Lewis. Have you fired out of a suppressor yet?
- [33:06]
C
No. Have you fired a gun?
- [33:08]
A
No.
- [33:09]
C
No.
- [33:09]
A
Okay, I'm going to the range.
- [33:10]
B
We're going to the range. One of our shooters. And so, like, people like Whoopi Goldberg and those. Those cackling witches on the View will be like, it's a silencer. And, you know, you'll never hear it. And it's like, you. That's not how it works.
- [33:26]
A
Well, so the people in the comments were arguing that the silencer Phrase was used. Was used for all the. Patented for the laws, for everything. And then event. What. What Jim was saying is that there's no such thing as something that can silence the art. The sound of a firearm. No, it just doesn't exist.
- [33:43]
C
I mean, sometimes when you load the clip, it's really.
- [33:46]
B
It's louder.
- [33:46]
C
People magazine versus clip.
- [33:49]
A
I will say that the 2A community is one of the hardest ones to make happy at all.
- [33:55]
D
Yeah. Yes.
- [33:56]
C
Clip here.
- [33:57]
B
I'm gonna go into the comments right.
- [33:58]
A
Now and I'm gonna.
- [33:59]
C
I'm gonna.
- [34:00]
B
You know, I'm gonna find the ones that I was looking at. So. Yeah, it was. It was Hiram Maxim. And the original patent called it a silencer. So, like, I'm. I'm sorry that we didn't go all the way back to when Hiram Maxim got his patent.
- [34:19]
A
Right.
- [34:19]
B
We weren't the SMEs that day. The guy that builds suppressors was. Builds and sells them. And so, like, we're asking questions like, hey, what's the difference, right?
- [34:30]
A
Brent. Where's.
- [34:30]
C
Brent was here today.
- [34:31]
B
Yeah, Brent was here today.
- [34:33]
C
Yeah, that's where Brent was.
- [34:34]
B
Brent was here.
- [34:34]
C
We had a. He came to stop by.
- [34:36]
B
Yeah, yeah, Brent was here.
- [34:38]
C
So Brent is in Orlando somewhere. In Orlando.
- [34:42]
A
Yeah.
- [34:42]
B
Everybody shook hands.
- [34:43]
C
He was. He was just here a little while ago.
- [34:46]
A
But yeah. So I think the argument is that it's just. It's obvious. It's like Jim was trying to be honest and upfront to people that might not know that there's no such thing as something that can silence the sound of a firearm.
- [35:00]
B
It just doesn't, obviously.
- [35:01]
C
I mean, it's gonna make noise.
- [35:03]
A
And we had the.
- [35:05]
C
I mean, it's quiet.
- [35:07]
B
I mean, and. And that was. I mean, that was what I caught the most hell from from you guys. About like, I was like, well, how loud is it? Oh, that was funny. I mean, I. I mean, Jim, can you tell us what it sounds like?
- [35:19]
C
How about we bring it, like, put a little range back here, Little bullet.
- [35:22]
E
Trap in the back.
- [35:23]
C
Yeah, my buddy did. He built a little like, indoor range silence. You use frangible ammo, and we can just. Fire away, man.
- [35:29]
A
Okay.
- [35:29]
C
I'm joking. Yeah.
- [35:32]
B
Tyler's like, yeah, all right.
- [35:36]
C
I said this yesterday, and I mean it. If I never fire another gun, I'll be fine.
- [35:40]
F
Yeah.
- [35:41]
C
I mean, if I don't, if. If I have to use it in self defense or somebody steals my groceries and I'm going to shoot them when.
- [35:50]
A
You'Re like me or you, where we loved the jobs that we did. That required guns. We had become very efficient in shooting. Like me, Jimmy, and Mike probably could. I mean, I'm gonna challenge y', all, but maybe we can put a dodgeball. No, like, we're talking. I. I'm a very, very, very good shot.
- [36:12]
B
Really pretty good shot. I mean, what are we doing? Are we doing the KD range? We're doing unknown distance. Like.
- [36:17]
C
Like, what are we doing?
- [36:18]
B
We're doing. I'm gonna tell you right now.
- [36:21]
A
So you're not gonna do as well with the handgun.
- [36:23]
B
I know I'm not. I. I.
- [36:24]
A
When I came out, when I was almost in the contracting world, I was freaking out because the whips, the all that was like, you have to be proficient with it. I'm like, oh, I never shot a.
- [36:34]
B
I'll be honest with you, though. Like, going through the whips training, the hardest part was actually the saw. Because of the way they want you to shoot the saw.
- [36:40]
A
Yeah. I heard Jimmy. Jimmy Watson was saying, like, dude, they are cutthroat with contracting. Try. It's like, tryout day when you go.
- [36:47]
B
When you go to the range and they don't.
- [36:49]
C
Did you see that? De. As my wife shooting the other day, that saw. Sig brought out their new. They have a machine gun, light machine gun. And they were.
- [36:56]
B
It's silent.
- [36:57]
C
Yeah. And it's got a.
- [36:57]
A
Is it silencer on.
- [37:00]
C
And the guy was actually moving and shooting with it, like, running the different spots, showing how, you know, light and maneuver.
- [37:06]
B
Yeah.
- [37:06]
A
For the military.
- [37:07]
B
Yeah. So the infantry now in the army now has two new weapons. We. They're not. I think there's some units that are still running M4s and SAWS, but the. Most of them have gone to the. The M7. And that. That Sig, I want to say it's a 2. 50 something. Yeah, it's a Sig 250.
- [37:25]
D
It's.
- [37:25]
C
It ran smooth. She posted two videos on her story. Shooting in the prone, and then I was shooting standing.
- [37:30]
B
I think I want to say it's same caliber. It's 762. It looks 762, but it's lighter than the saw.
- [37:36]
D
How?
- [37:37]
B
I don't know this guy.
- [37:39]
C
I watched it. The guy was literally running around like it was a rifle, like an M4. It was. He was running around with it. He was setting it on different platforms. He was kneeling, standing watch.
- [37:46]
A
Every limited watch. Everybody get upset when I post it.
- [37:48]
B
Yeah. So the M250 light machine gun.
- [37:53]
D
It's.
- [37:54]
B
It's. It's in 6, 8. Does that mean it's in 6.8. That's the caliber.
- [37:58]
C
Oh, okay.
- [37:59]
B
Oh, my.
- [38:00]
A
Yeah. Is that like close to 763?
- [38:03]
C
Subtract.
- [38:05]
A
How big is a. Is a 6? 8.
- [38:07]
B
6 8. Well, let's put. Wait, we can pull. I mean.
- [38:10]
A
I'm joking.
- [38:11]
B
I've never pulled. I've never fired. Six eight. I don't like six five Creedmore. I. I mean, there's a lot of.
- [38:16]
C
Guys speaking Spanish at this point.
- [38:17]
B
Yeah, I mean, like. Like, I.
- [38:19]
A
Are you a gun guy, Jimmy?
- [38:20]
C
Yeah.
- [38:21]
A
You are? Okay.
- [38:21]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [38:22]
B
I mean, I got. I got probably like four of my buddies that are distributors and one guy that's probably the best AR builder in the state. Easy, easy.
- [38:33]
C
We're working on sponsorship.
- [38:34]
B
Yeah, yeah. He's a builder, not a manufacturer. Although you do have to get a man. Yeah. So the. The Sig 250, that thing is. It's in 68. And the reason why we're the. The infantry's transition to 68 is on a near peer threat. We want to be able to hit him in the body armor and do damage. And 556 isn't going to cut it. And 762 is kind of too big. So six eight is kind of.
- [39:00]
C
The good thing about.
- [39:01]
A
This is perfect.
- [39:02]
C
The good thing about the SIG machine gun, they set it up and it goes off randomly to keep the birds away and to keep the pigeons away. Yeah, they got that feature there.
- [39:13]
B
Hey, did you guys see that laser? That laser. Laser mosquito thing? It's.
- [39:19]
A
It's not true.
- [39:19]
B
It's Ryan's.
- [39:20]
A
Ryan's back in. He's trying to come tell you that's not.
- [39:23]
B
This doesn't work.
- [39:27]
A
All right, so I got a message on Patreon as well.
- [39:31]
B
Oh.
- [39:31]
A
Oh, this is good. It's just somebody. Somebody. I. I just copy pasted it.
- [39:39]
E
Yeah, I used to competitively shoot.
- [39:41]
C
Really?
- [39:41]
E
Yeah.
- [39:41]
C
Tell us, what'd you shoot?
- [39:43]
E
So I used to do pistol rifle,22.
- [39:45]
C
Rifle, and then I did like steel challenges and stuff.
- [39:48]
A
Yeah.
- [39:49]
B
So you weren't like three gun or anything like that?
- [39:51]
E
No, I was gonna do three gun, but then 2020 happened and then I never.
- [39:54]
C
That damn knee on the neck, man, killed everything. And Tyler's buddy?
- [39:57]
E
No, but this. Oh, Derek, the steel target stuff was a lot of fun. I got a couple national champions.
- [40:03]
C
Really?
- [40:03]
E
Medals. First place in the nation. Yeah.
- [40:05]
A
I cannot outshoot Jack.
- [40:06]
C
And you just sat here.
- [40:07]
E
I'm fast.
- [40:08]
C
You just sat here and let Tyler tell you who's the greatest shooter on earth. Even you didn't Even flex on him, man. No, dude, you got, we gotta. When, when your flight gets canceled Monday, you're back again.
- [40:19]
B
You gota.
- [40:19]
C
You gotta flex on him when he, when he talks.
- [40:22]
A
Day, day of the event, he's gonna pull the cancer. I don't feel good.
- [40:28]
C
I got real sick leukemia, dude.
- [40:33]
B
So like when, when I was going through whips, we had canine handlers that had been in the military, so they had the prerequisite military experience. Yeah. And then they had been. Most of them were LEOs after they got out.
- [40:43]
C
They've.
- [40:44]
B
They killed it on the, on the pistol range.
- [40:46]
A
Yeah.
- [40:46]
B
But when we got to machine guns or the grenade launcher, it was like.
- [40:51]
A
How'S the cop gonna know how to.
- [40:52]
B
Shoot a grenade launcher? Yeah, I mean like, well, and it's like Call of Duty was in Chicago, you know, I mean, but like, I mean, you shot the saw. I mean, you know how much to fire a three round burst out of the saw and do it repeatedly.
- [41:06]
A
Funny is that I was in the infantry and I was on the line, obviously, but I wasn't a saw gunner. So therefore you don't really.
- [41:12]
C
No, you shoot it once in a while, very long.
- [41:16]
A
And when you go to the range, the saw gunners typically don't get to do the saw gun. The saw, the saw gun, the saw. They have to shoot the rifle. The infantry, I don't know if it's changed, but when I was in. You went to the range once every quarter maybe for quals.
- [41:31]
D
Yeah.
- [41:32]
A
I mean, you're, you're on the M3. Sucks. You're just unloading conixes all day.
- [41:36]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [41:37]
A
Doing stupid.
- [41:37]
B
Or you're out in the field running around shooting blanks that are gonna, you know, like, oh, they can't wait to.
- [41:42]
A
Send you to the field for three weeks because that gives them purpose. Like you're needed. You are the infantry, so. But when they have a million dudes sitting around America on bases waiting for war.
- [41:53]
B
Yeah.
- [41:54]
A
They have to find stuff for them to do.
- [41:55]
B
And then they send us down to JRTC and guys like mike us up. Greatest job.
- [42:00]
C
Greatest job ever.
- [42:01]
B
So here's a question for you because I mean, we've talked about it a couple times. Like how easy was it to. To up a line unit?
- [42:08]
C
Well, here, the, the factors we had in our favor were one, you guys didn't take care of your zero on your miles gear. You guys threw your gun, you were miserable. You're, you know, thousands of miles from home. You're miserable. You flew there, you're not going to see your Family for a month and a half. We could go home anytime we wanted. So we used to. I used to carry that. We used to carry our rifles around like babies. We would never slam it. If your rifle fell, like if you put up against a tree to piss and it fell, stop. We re zeroed it immediately. We had a guy walk away with the miles gear. We would re zero it. So our marksmanship was way above.
- [42:41]
B
We had.
- [42:42]
C
And I actually had a red dot that back in the day, it was a. It was a big red flashlight on the end of my gun. It's about this bigger up, but I actually had a red dot.
- [42:49]
B
Yeah.
- [42:53]
C
The day one red dot. It was as big as his desk. And you put it on top of my gun. But. So we used optics. We had red dots. We had all that stuff zeroed in. 3 op 4 could kill 50, 60 people in 20 minutes, no problem.
- [43:07]
A
And that's.
- [43:07]
C
It was simple.
- [43:08]
A
A true testament to invading a foreign country is that it's their. It's their. They go. They go back home at the end of night and come fight the guys that are deployed to their country. Yeah, we would.
- [43:18]
C
And even comms back then sucked. But we were able to put a plan together. I remember one night I said, let me see if I can do it. I actually captured an Avenger. I snuck on the drops. The missile.
- [43:30]
B
Yeah.
- [43:30]
C
Crawled on the drop zone. I like, took my shirt off and like, tucked it in back so I looked like everybody else. And like, low. Crawled up a hill, got out, grabbed an OC And I was like, hey, I'm stealing this thing. And he's like, brought things, like a million dollars. I'm like, well, I'm gonna shoot it at something.
- [43:42]
A
He's like, no rules.
- [43:44]
C
Yeah. So I went over like, cyan, killed the driver who was like, sleeping in the sea, and then like fired the thing. And then they knocked down a helicopter. But it was just. We could infiltrate. We it. You know, your guys. I felt bad for you guys. You guys are away from home. It was miserable. And we would like. Like I said, I used to keep two cards in my pocket for those who don't know yet. It was like a role playing game. So you had like a card in your pocket that the OC opened if you got shot. So I'd have a kill ki in one pocket. So I knew I was going home and I had to return to duty in the other pocket, in case you wanted. Yeah. They said, okay, you're on. You nicked your arm. I would pull a bandage out, wrap it up and they go, okay, you got five minutes, take off and you're back in the game. And we also cheated with keys. We had the green keys, the master key. If we were far away and we got sniped and beat, we would just cover the sound real quick. Or some guys would tape their sound mic up and we would just reset it and we cheated a little. But the good news, like you said, is by cheating and doing that, we took pride in the job which made better training for the guys visiting. You know, it was like, we can't kill this guy.
- [44:41]
B
We, we got our asses kicked every time we went to NT tc. Except the last time. Except for the last time.
- [44:48]
C
It was, it was cool, it was a cool job.
- [44:51]
A
Before I was really interrupted by everybody. That message I was talking about.
- [44:55]
B
Oh, so sorry.
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A
No, you're good man. Just kidding. Somebody said, I have a question. Been listening for a long time. I was kind of put off when you guys talked about pension spiking. I have almost 19 years on, spent over half career in the spec ops world, narc, street crimes, gangs, and now, now on swat. Now a SWAT team leader. I'm in a large agency and now I have the opportunity to work at a high pay as a supervisor paying job as a supervisor. It is wrong. Is it wrong or bad that I am working on my pension being higher, putting in the hours so I can live more comfortably when I'm done. The job is a job and will never be what it was a decade ago. I just think you guys kind of sound like you're bashing cops out there, grinding, trying to make their family comfortable on the back end.
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C
No way.
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A
I said, hey man. So if you recall one of the recent times we discussed this, I told the listeners to put themselves in the shoes of the 18, 19 year cop. To throw away your family's well being for standing for what's right. I even get into it with Mike about it. There's a spectrum, there's a wide spectrum on this issue. I'd love to discuss it with you sometimes. So what I was talking about, the spectrum is we've talked about it. There's a difference between, you know, just riding out your career and enforcing unconstitutional things like mass mandates, right? So we always the mass bring it to the table, right? So we're talking about. And I always felt bad for those cops, those cops that had 19 years on the job and then covet hits and you're gonna be like, I stand for something. I stand for the constitution, stand for what's right. There's a word for it. What is it, guys? Jimmy.
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B
Integrity.
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A
No, it was a word I'd never heard before that you used. But you're standing for what's right and you quit your job and then you got to go home and face your wife and your family and say, hey, the last, the next 20, 30 years we had planned on, it's all changed.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I feel bad for those cops. But at the, at this, the other side of it, that's why this is such a crazy, crazy topic is that you talk about. Well, so we're just gonna have an occupation of a bunch of spineless dudes that do what they're told.
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C
Yeah, I'm. What, I don't know what he. Like I'm losing him. Where if he's going to continue to lead at a high level and do the right thing, I advocate for him to get promoted to that high level. One of my good friends is a, is a high ranking guy down in South Florida agency and he's trying to get to that level to protect the team that he's on. And he has to give up the team and go higher to a higher level because some of the administration doesn't like the team. But so I always advocate, there is nothing wrong. Like, look at it like a sports guy. Like if you're, if you're, if you're hitting all the home runs and you're gonna get, make as much money as you can, if you're being a really good cop and you're taking care of your guys, I advocate for you to get promoted, make as much money as you can. But as long as the integrity is there, that you're doing it for the guys and you're doing it for the right reason. Not a guy that gets promoted and then goes and locks his office door and doesn't come out for, you know, goes to lunch, comes home, comes in late, goes home early, that's the guy that's a piece of. But if you're a team guy, you're a street crimes guy, you're a SWAT commander, you're working your ass off and do it, make 200 grand, make 250 grand. But we, as long as you're taking care of the guys, I think that's great.
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B
Well, and I think the other thing that you were saying too is that like, you know, there's so many people that talk about their pensions, but they don't even know what it is. They don't know that number. And it's like, hey man, you need to Be. You need to understand exactly what this is before you go, hey, I'm willing to enforce this thing because it's kind of a gray area and because I've got to do it for. I mean, I got a buddy of mine right now who's in the FDNY and I'm like, dude, get your ass out of there. And he's like, I can't man the pension.
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C
Well, and here's, here's the thing. You, you can make a lot of money with the government. You can, you can work overtime if you're doing it for the right reason and you're doing the job. Stay, work 100 hours a week if you can do it, but make sure you're working. It's my problem is with the guys that get to that higher level and then they start sloughing, but they're making a lot of overtime, they're working extra hours. Dude, if I, I was working 16 hour days, I loved it. I didn't, I was, but I was putting people in jail and I was making a lot of money, but I wasn't stealing the money. There's guys that will work. Oh, I'm gonna work this detail, take off that day, work this, work that. And they're not doing any police work. They're lazy. That's the guy I'm talking about. I'm not talking about a hustler that's getting promoted and working his ass off to make a lot more money, but he's also providing a lot more service by working those hours. That is, I'm an advocate for that. Yeah, I'd rather have hard working dudes working doubles than bag cops.
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A
We talk regular shifts, we talk about the coven mass mandates that, you know, cops were the bad guys for. But look at what covet did to government workers. Take the jab or get out. You're 18 years in. Somebody says, hey, you're taking this jab or you're out. And you're. You, your religion, your values, whatever it is, says I cannot do this.
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C
And they learned. They learned. That's where the learning lesson was. But the George Floyd thing was mixed in. And there was all that I love Summer of Love. It was all mixed in. But that was the social experiment. Can we make an entire nation conform? Cops included? And they did. But. So that's where I look at this now and go, if you're only doing it for yourself and your family, that's as a public servant, as a, as a, as a self proclaimed hero. If you're only doing it for that reason, then you're wrong. If you're, if you're out with citizens for all the wrong reasons, you're a piece of. But if you're out doing the right thing, you know your constitution, you know the laws, and you're. You make as much money as you want.
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B
Jack and I had a conversation about this this morning when you were talking about, like, you know, going out and, and getting the calls and doing those things. Remember we were talking about, go for it, man.
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E
Well, I just think in general, I mean, what do we really want to talk about? Yeah.
- [50:48]
A
Just because we had a great conversation.
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B
Tell us about it. Yeah, no, when we were talking, hey, you got to be out there for the right reasons. You got to be out there doing, you know, you're doing this for, you know, you're serving the community, trying to go out there and do the right things. And, and you were a guy that, I mean, like, I'll take the guy with cancer on the SWAT team. At this point, I'm in, like, you know, because you've got integrity and you've, you've got like, the desire to go out there. Like, I don't care how much I get paid, I like doing what I'm doing.
- [51:17]
E
Yeah, I was, that's how I was. I mean, even when I started this job, it wasn't all about the pay. It was about what I felt satisfied doing. I mean, I grew up in a first responder family. My dad's a volunteer firefighter. So I was like, I'm here for what the job has to provide. But obviously there's a lot of people who aren't in that job for them.
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C
And when I maybe a little we're getting confused with, with that comment is like you said, know your pension, if you're gonna go bust your ass. And you're talking about, I'm doing it for the retirement, all that. Make sure you know what that actually looks like when it's over. Because 25 years, I'll tell you, 25 years goes fast. I would have been. I did 26 in law enforcement. And it's like, I'm sorry, 23. So that, that goes fast. And at the end you're going, I started looking at it about five years out, and I'm like, that's not really. I'm not gonna be able to live on that. I don't know if I don't change my life or I don't do a couple things different, if I don't get these bills paid down, if I don't get rid of any of this debt. I'm not gonna be able to go buy a seventy thousand dollar car. Like I'm have to buy a twenty thousand dollars. Like know what you're getting into so that when you're out there doing all that high speed stuff for the retirement, know what that retirement actually looks like. And if you're gonna be able to manage, I, I, there's a bunch of guys that go around like financial advisors that help out cops and do that stuff. Even if it's 25 a paycheck, start putting money away.
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A
Secondary retirement.
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E
Absolutely.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Nationwide deferred comp.
- [52:38]
C
Yep, deferred comp.
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E
That's what I did as soon as I started. I mean I, there's a lot of people who neglect starting the investing in a deferred comp program. But I think that's the best way to start to help build that engine.
- [52:49]
C
No, it's not cool because everybody can find an extra 25 bucks for a gym membership. Or I can buy another gun this week, or I can buy my ammo, or I can, I can go to the bar and drink 150 Bar Tab. Everybody can find money for that because.
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A
It'S instant gratification, it's not sexy and it's not mandated.
- [53:06]
C
But taking that hundred dollars a month for when you're 19 and when you get old and like a dinosaur like me, that's a lot of money.
- [53:13]
A
It is.
- [53:14]
C
You know, I made my account, made like 15 grand last quarter. Like it's like, yeah, like where are you gonna make that?
- [53:22]
A
Thanks for the money, flex Mike.
- [53:23]
C
No, no, no. I spent it all today. It's all gone. But what I'm saying is, is make sure you're investing and make sure you're prepared to one day you might end up on the other end, might get cancer.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You know, might get cancer. At 23 you really have a chance to prepare. No, at 53 or 43 you had a chance to prepare yourself to get like, okay, like even me, you know, you with the health insurance, like if you're going to make moves, you have to be ready. Like what's, what is the report?
- [53:56]
A
When I left, when I left I was like, you have to factor in the two things you got to factor in when you leave government work. Really the two biggest things are health insurance. Like because I went into self employment, like so health insurance and retirement, those things are menial. They come, they're very little and when they do, they come out of your paychecks so you don't have to pay them. So it's like they're not there. So you're used to getting what you get every paycheck. This is what I get, every paycheck. So not only do you got to make that, but you also got to make enough money to pay for health insurance and retirement.
- [54:27]
C
We, we are all very, very crooked accountants when it comes to our own money. Because we were like, oh, there's no. I'll be fine. I'm gonna do that. Oh, I got a two dollar pay raise. I'm gonna buy that truck. Like, we're all great about it until you look at it one day and go, man, I'm only gonna make 4,000 and 5,000amonth when I retire. Like, I was making eight grand when I was working with all that overtime. Now I'm making five. I got the same car payment, the same mortgage payment, the same bills, and I'm getting three. Oh, eight. Guess what? You gotta get paid for insurance now out of your pocket. You don't get that 75 agency contribution anymore.
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A
Crazy thing, dude. The guys retire, they do 25, 30 years and then they got to go work because they cannot afford. And insurance, by the way, when you're 60, is a lot of money because you're going to be going to the doctor a lot more. So the insurance game, although it's the biggest fraud ever introduced other than covet into our country.
- [55:20]
C
It's so bad. Like, I got an argument on Facebook with a. When. When I posted about our thumbnail and oh, healthcare. Healthcare for everybody. Healthcare. It's become a Democrat, Republican argument, but it's really, it's. Why did you make people's health monetized? People? You're banking on the demise. You're banging on the dude getting cancer to charge him 300 grand to save his life.
- [55:44]
A
Like, you sound like you want to go live in New York, Mike.
- [55:46]
C
No, but. No, no, no, no.
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B
If you ever want to talk.
- [55:49]
C
That wasn't when the, when we wrote that Constitution. Nowhere was anybody thinking we're going to.
- [55:54]
B
Charge people for trying to heal people with snake oil.
- [56:00]
C
Hey, they only live to be like 35, but they had a good life, man.
- [56:04]
A
Fathers of three. Three by 14.
- [56:06]
C
Yeah, there's no rules that could.
- [56:08]
A
You know, and you're right, we should do an entire episode. Not an entire episode. We should do a Patreon exclusive of all the things in the constitution and how the. Our founding fathers had no idea what we're going to be doing.
- [56:20]
C
Like I said, the first Amendment. We could spend a month on that, dude.
- [56:23]
B
I mean, if you. Can you imagine if you broke out one of these in front of our founding fathers, you'd be burned at the stake.
- [56:28]
A
Yeah.
- [56:29]
B
You know, now, now if we handed them an AR15, they'd be like, this is.
- [56:33]
C
Yeah, we knew about that one. We planned that one. Yeah, we didn't plan for. Everybody know where you lived. We didn't plan, you know, all this nonsense.
- [56:41]
B
I mean, if we told them like, yeah, the government watches us pretty much 247 anytime we're outside of our house and a lot of times in the side of our house, they would have been like, what in the are you talking about? Oh, sorry.
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A
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C
Hat. That's mine.
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A
That's mine. Yeah, I got a cop bill's website for that, but yeah, Counterculture Inc. Threads.com use promo code ANTI HERO. Save 15.
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C
Breaking news. Everybody was talking a little bit about the cowboys. 24 year old cowboy. News just broke he was involved in a police pursuit. They lost sight of him and then found his car a bit on the side of the road with a self inflicted gunshot wound.
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D
What?
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A
Okay, we're covering this right now. First off, we're going into that, then we're going into New York. But we have to, we gotta do a quick break.
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B
Okay. We gotta pay the bills.
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A
Yeah, we gotta go quick commercial break. We gotta talk about Patreon, the winner and then we're gonna get right into that.
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G
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A
And we're back. All right, we're gonna do the Patreon giveaway.
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C
Jack can do it.
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A
Maybe.
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C
Maybe.
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A
Hopefully. We're doing the Patreon giveaway.
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C
Oh, boy.
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A
What's today's date?
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B
Today is the 6th.
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C
Dude, my watch is on 6th of November. Look at the date. It's backwards. It's like 12 hours ahead. Oh, yeah, it's 1209am on the 7th.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Amazon 1999.
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B
All right, so what are we giving away today only?
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A
All right, so we are giving away veteran owned fragrance company called Triangle Fragrance. They are the bougie fragrances. They. They compete with. What do you call them? What are some other cologne companies?
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C
Big ones. Like was that big one Creed?
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A
Yeah, those other ones, they tr. Oh, oh, Jimmy's camera got bonked. Yeah, Freedom Triangle. They. They go to the same conventions as all these other fragrances go, but they. They're pro America and they're veteran owned, so that's kind of their thing. So they're giving away a free bottle of cologne to our Patreon. So what we do is we go like this random number generator.
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C
Ah.
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A
I went to call my wife accidentally.
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B
Don't say that. It's always on purpose.
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A
It's always on purpose.
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E
Jerry wants to call in.
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C
Oh, Jerry.
- [61:41]
A
Let's get Jerry.
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C
Can he. Come on. Ask him if he can remote or. You want to call in Jerry?
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B
The Jerry?
- [61:47]
E
Yes, the Jerry.
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C
I know. He said he had a meeting or something this morning.
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A
All right, here, here.
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E
Do you have a link to send them or.
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A
I got it. I'll do It. But tap this number. Just tap it. What's it? What is it?
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E
Seven.
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A
It went back to seven. Yeah. Okay, seven. The winner of the cologne bottle is Zach Brandt. So, Zach, we will get you shipped out here shortly. Thank you guys all for participating and supporting us on Patreon. We're gonna have a lot more content for you as well as some dope ass giveaways like this. A giant ass bottle of cologne.
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C
That's good stuff.
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A
Made in America.
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C
So back to the breaking news. Story broke this morning that Marshawn Nealon of the Cowboys passed away. And when they say passed away and there's no other information with it, usually believe it's a suicide. I didn't know the police angle, but apparently he is. He was involved in a pursuit, failed to stop. They lost sight of the vehicle, and then the Texas Department of Public Safety confirmed that they found the vehicle abandoned and he was deceased inside with a self inflicted gunshot wound.
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A
So was he committing crimes?
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C
It was just a traffic violation. He was in the game Sunday. He actually scored a touchdown. Recovered a punt for the Cowboys or covered a punt in the end zone for a touchdown. And there's no other information at this point other than about 10:30pm they tried a traffic stop. He refused to stop. He was engaged in a pursuit, but lost sight of the vehicle. His car was later found abandoned and authorities began searching the area and was found later dead.
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B
Gotta be something else going on there.
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C
Oh, something else in his life, maybe. I'm not gonna speculate, but.
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A
Well, I mean, do you think the argument is that you can. How do I say this? You can take it out of the thing, but you can't.
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C
No. Dude. Next.
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A
Yeah, I'm just saying, dude, these guys, he just. He's. Is he a brand new player?
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C
He's young, 24.
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A
24. Just stop the car, dude.
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E
Yeah, you're.
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A
I mean, what are you doing, man?
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B
You're in the NFL. You're gonna be fine. I mean, like, I don't know how it is for most places, but I know that like a lot of. A lot of agencies, they have like a special place where they put all of their famous people when they get arrested.
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C
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
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B
Yeah, that was. That was hard to deal with over.
- [64:16]
C
Here, statistically, just to get to that level of play.
- [64:19]
A
Oh, who's the bad guy? He's gonna be the bad guy in the story.
- [64:22]
C
Who?
- [64:23]
A
The cops. The police? Oh, yeah, I was actually riding here.
- [64:26]
C
Ben Crump's on the way, I'm sure.
- [64:28]
A
Yeah, I was riding here Listening to the NFL radio on Sirius, and I heard that. I don't. I didn't really know who he was, but, you know, they're like, we have tragic news. And I'm like, oh, man, that sucks, dude. That's awful. And, you know, they're playing it up, and now when this comes out, suicide because he ran from the cops. Like, I. Don't you think they're gonna cover that?
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C
This won't be about. No, no. I mean, there was no.
- [64:50]
B
Something else was going.
- [64:51]
C
There was no engagement with the police to have a. If. It would already. It would be much bigger if there was a shootout, anything like that. But the fact that they've. Later, you know, there'll be somebody like, yeah, right. They wind shot him and then drove away and cooked it. There' somebody. But it sounds pretty unfortunate. Like, you don't know if it's mental health, all the CTE issues they have in the NFL. Is it like you said? Is he just a guy that was a bad guy and made it through? Like, you don't know.
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B
I mean, it could have just been, you know, like the Joker says, which is.
- [65:19]
A
Does he have a criminal record? I don't know.
- [65:21]
B
But I mean, like, which Joker? The. The Joker. Oh, you know, the Joker. The Joker from. No, no, no. Like the.
- [65:29]
A
The comic book character.
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B
All it takes is one bad day, right? To break somebody. Snap. Yeah, to snap. And for all we know, I mean, his wife's left him, his dog's dead, his mom's got, you know, getting ready to lose the house, and he's. Something's wrong on the football team, and now he's about to get pulled over by the cops, and he's just like, it. I'm running. And you know that. Like, it's. It's not as bad as it seems, bro. And if he could just reach out to somebody. I mean, I've known people that have killed themselves, and it was like, dude, you had everything going for. For you. What's going on.
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A
That's true. That's a good point. That's a. That's a. That's a great point.
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C
I'm too immature for any of this.
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A
The Joker thing.
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C
You can't start.
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B
Yeah, I can't even mention the Joker in that context.
- [66:11]
A
The problem is everyone watching knows exactly what we're talking about, man.
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C
We have Jerry Worms, I believe, ready to the end. Yeah.
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A
Jerry Worms, the goat, the OG of modern policing.
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C
For those that don't know, we're gonna bring Jerry in. He was the initial. Day one, episode one of Cops, 1989, Broward County. And he is what every street cop should emulate. Well, can't say some of the things he said nowadays, but his level.
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B
Yeah.
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C
His level of patrolling and his level of street knowledge and the way he interacted with people and criminals and informants would be the standard for. Something smells good. So we're gonna bring Jerry on.
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A
Jerry.
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F
What's up, guys?
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A
Jerry, what are you doing?
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F
I just got off of work, and I'm sitting down at the dinner table with. Having lunch with the family.
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A
You just got off work?
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C
Yeah.
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A
Dude, what are you working?
- [67:08]
C
I heard you said I work in.
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F
The morning at a canine center.
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C
You did tell me that.
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A
Okay.
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F
So, yeah, I just got. I just got. I do it like, you know, part time gig just to get out of the house.
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C
Yeah.
- [67:20]
A
When are you gonna start a podcast, Jerry?
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F
I don't know if I could do a podcast. I don't know. How many guests can I get?
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A
Unlimited, man.
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C
We can't get any of your old clients because they're all dead.
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A
So.
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F
My son said that I'm technically challenged, so I probably would have a hard time.
- [67:39]
C
He can move in with Mike. Somebody said collab. Collab. Jerry didn't collab. I'm like, jerry doesn't have. No idea what that means.
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A
He did eventually.
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C
Okay.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Liz must have helped.
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F
You know, I got the. I got the peanut gallery behind me.
- [67:51]
C
Here about the dog things. That was pretty cool. What, you. You train them with that for the barns and all that, right? You do that kind of stuff?
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F
Yeah, we do. It's a center that does. It's, you know, it's a doggy daycare center, but they also do rally training, and they do agility training. And then they. They have a thing called barn hunt, where we. The dogs hunt for rats. And then they also do. I do training with. I teach the dogs how to walk on a treadmill.
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C
I remember because you're gonna make fun of me because I'm the animal guy, but when he was explaining the rat thing to me, I was very concerned. The rats don't get eaten and they don't. They put them in, like, a tube, right?
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F
Yeah, they're in a. In a. In a plastic tube with holes in it. So the dogs can grab the tube, but they can't get the rat.
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A
All right, just shake it up.
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C
You can't. Yeah, you can't make sure the rat's okay.
- [68:40]
F
Hey, get my son over here. He wants to say hello to Jack.
- [68:42]
C
Come on in, come on in, come on in.
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A
Hey, what's up?
- [68:46]
C
How you doing?
- [68:46]
F
Take your hoodie.
- [68:47]
A
Good. How are you?
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B
Such a bad thing to say.
- [68:53]
F
So my son just got home from a job that he was doing in Indiana. Illinois.
- [68:58]
C
I mean, how'd that go?
- [69:01]
A
Not well.
- [69:04]
C
Your SNAP benefits in yet?
- [69:08]
F
You don't need snap. He's got me.
- [69:10]
C
All right, good. What? I hear that Dad's a little more upset when you leave than Mom. Is that true? Dad's the soft one. What? No, no.
- [69:19]
A
My mom was crying when you guys coming down here.
- [69:27]
F
We're gonna have to do that. We'll have to make a family trip. We were, you know, we were in South Florida in August, but never, Never got to Orlando, so.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The last 18.
- [69:39]
F
Yeah. In the. Live there, but yeah, I mean, we'll have to, you know, if we make, if we make a drive, then we'll, you know, we'll stop in Orlando. But I flew down to Florida, you know, South Florida, so. And we're not big fans of Disney World. I'm sorry.
- [69:52]
A
Hey, they got Universal. Two universals.
- [69:55]
F
Yeah. We spent a lot of time at the Wide World of Sports when he was playing baseball, and it's espn, Wilder Sports there, and yes, it was. It's a real money grab, I tell you that much.
- [70:08]
A
Yeah, Yeah.
- [70:09]
F
I mean, they charge you 30 bucks just to get in to see your son play baseball. And then when you get in there, you can't bring a cooler, so you got to spend $5 and 50 cents for every Gatorade you buy them.
- [70:19]
C
It's probably double now.
- [70:20]
A
They wouldn't let you sneak your beer in, Jerry?
- [70:22]
F
No, Couldn't bring anything. So, Jack.
- [70:28]
E
Yeah?
- [70:28]
F
Are you enjoying yourself in this podcast world now?
- [70:32]
A
Oh, I am.
- [70:32]
E
It's.
- [70:32]
B
It's a blast.
- [70:33]
C
It's.
- [70:34]
E
It feels natural. It's fun.
- [70:36]
F
Yeah.
- [70:37]
C
We're hiring, man.
- [70:38]
B
Yeah.
- [70:38]
C
Ready?
- [70:39]
A
You and Jerry on a podcast.
- [70:40]
B
Yeah, Jack and Jerry.
- [70:42]
C
Jack and Jerry podcast.
- [70:46]
F
You know, the last, the last podcast you did. What was it? When was the last one you did, Jack?
- [70:54]
E
When was that? September.
- [70:56]
C
Something like that. A while.
- [70:58]
F
Well, I mean, the last one you did, Anti Hero, that was. Yeah, well, some of the comments, you know, I, I made some comments about how, you know, the whole thing about the thin blue line, and a lot of people want to piss on it and say that, you know, it's, It's. It's not true. And, yeah, there are some real negative things about it, but without our connection through, you know, counterculture, we would have never met. And, you know, I, I, I say it's alive and well, when it comes to us.
- [71:32]
E
Absolutely, absolutely.
- [71:34]
B
That's the warrior mindset. Yeah, that's what it is.
- [71:36]
A
Yeah.
- [71:37]
B
And I mean, gotta love that, you know, just the ability that guys from two different generations of cops. I mean, how, I mean, he was on a 1989. How old are you in 1989?
- [71:47]
A
He wasn't alive, bro. He was born after 9, 11.
- [71:50]
B
Oh my God.
- [71:51]
A
Oh my.
- [71:56]
B
So I mean, I mean, just that right there alone, I mean, you think.
- [71:59]
A
About that and that that's the cop inside. Because the cop inside one, maybe two generations separate can still. The blue line is, you know, you're a cop. You could, on paper, you could write why you love police work on a piece of paper. Jerry could write why he loves police work on a piece of paper. Sit them side by side. And people could be like, oh yeah, these are two cops that work together. Because it's cop work. It doesn't. The age doesn't separate. Right. Yeah.
- [72:26]
C
Gary was minding his business up there and one, one meme turned him into, turned. Brought him out of retirement.
- [72:33]
A
Now you're on baseball cards and yeah.
- [72:36]
E
I got my, I got my. What would Jerry do?
- [72:42]
F
You, you, you forced me, you forced me to join, you know, social media, which I was never on. So now I'm on, I'm on, you know.
- [72:54]
C
What is this?
- [72:54]
F
Instagram? I'm sorry, I forgot. I was thinking of Facebook. I'm not on Facebook, I'm on Instagram. So now I, I talk to a lot of guys on Instagram. They DM me all the time.
- [73:05]
C
I put a lot of work into trying to find you. You know, before Liz found me, I, I was googling and looking. Really? Yeah, I did. I was looking. I'm like, I gotta find.
- [73:12]
A
How did you find Jerry?
- [73:14]
C
Well, obviously cops, everybody knew that. But my Nick Hatton would be the reason. The, the, the real reason that we're all here. It would be my buddy Nick made the first meme. And he was young kid as well. He's a little, just a few years older than Jack. But he looked up to Jerry as a kid. He was like, this is the guy. Like, this is the guy. So he started sending me these memes with Jerry doing all his little one liners and all that. He put the meme together. I'm like, let me try to find this guy. So I started googling. I started like LinkedIn. I go on everywhere. I couldn't find him. I'm like, this guy doesn't. He's.
- [73:42]
A
He's living in retirement.
- [73:44]
C
Gone. There's a guy. I follow that. I think he worked, he worked down there. His dad worked with you. I believe he's a fireman down in South Florida. He's like, well, I think here, I think he retired. And then I got the DM from Liz and I'm. I'll never forget the day Jerry called me. I was like, starstruck. I was like, I'm like, hey, you mind if you call in? Two seconds later, my phone's ring and I'm like, joanna, Jay Worms is called me. Like, call the neighbors. Everybody calm down. Like, let me sit on the couch. I'm like, jerry's call me. It was the coolest. It was, it was the coolest phone call I've, I've gotten. It was really cool.
- [74:17]
E
That's kind of like how mine was too. And when you and I were talking and you're like, hey, what's your phone number? I sent it. I was like, oh, cool. I'm sitting downstairs with my girlfriend, watch a movie. And I stopped and I looked at her and she goes, what? I was like, cheer Worms is calling me. I gotta go.
- [74:32]
F
Well, I'm having a great time, you know, hooking up with, with, you know, these guys and, and talking to everybody and, you know, the counterculture group, all the different podcasts I've been doing with you guys. And it's just been a blast for me. And I, it's like, it got me back into, you know, you know, thinking about police work and, and what I used to do. And things have changed, but you know what, A lot of things still remain the same as far as, you know, being, I'd say command presence, going hands on with somebody, that doesn't change. That doesn't change no matter what, you know, tools you have or anything like that. So, you know, I talk to a lot of guys about stuff like that and that's.
- [75:12]
C
It's good that they have somebody like that.
- [75:13]
A
Well, I think it was, what I want to say was the podcast you were on, Jerry with Kenny Williams, beyond the Barrel, where Kenny was talking about use of force is just ugly. No matter what year it is, no matter if it's 1912 or it's 2025, putting someone, taking someone's freedoms away that don't want it to happen is going to look ugly. And now it's just the public gets to see it firsthand. It's like you said, war footage. We're watching war footage that we're never supposed to see. We're also watching police apprehensions in real Time.
- [75:44]
C
You're right. And it's not pretty. It's a net. As much as we joke and all that liberal mic, but it's a necessary, it has to happen order for good to prevail. Good people are gonna have to take bad people into custody. And sometimes it's very, very ugly. And, you know, back when Jerry was doing it, it was a lot more. There was less, you know, press involvement, less, you know, admin involvement was part of the job. And as the job's gotten softer, like we joked about Jerry, you wouldn't be. You wouldn't get away with half of the stuff you did back then now. And. Wrong. You're wrong. But you're not gonna beat anybody with nunchucks in 2025.
- [76:20]
B
It's not gonna happen.
- [76:21]
A
I think we should.
- [76:22]
C
Well, I think we should. I agree. But.
- [76:25]
F
Well, you know, the whole thing about de escalation, too, is a bunch of where sometimes, you know, you just gotta punch a guy in the face.
- [76:35]
C
Yeah, I agree.
- [76:36]
F
And. And, you know, to me, you know, if you see a guy, you know, you're on a domestic and a guy's balling up his fists and you know he's about to do something, sometimes you just got to give him one shot. And then that de escalates everything because it doesn't get any further than that.
- [76:55]
C
But the hard part is that the public will never understand that feeling. So it looks bad to them when you punch a guy in the face, that you're like, he was just standing there. No, he started breathing heavy, his nostrils were flaring. He started to ball his fist up, knocked his block off. And it's like. I agree with that. I agree that part. D. For once, your escalation. Escalation is part of de escalation. De escalation. Because if I knock this dude down right now, cuff him, it may look bad for five seconds, but if I allow him to get the upper hand first, that recovery looks way worse, and I may not recover.
- [77:29]
A
Well, look at. Look at commanding a scene. Sometimes a scene is so chaotic and so crazy that when you show up, you have to point at people and say, sit the down. You back up. You back up. Once you control that scene, you can go back to talking. But we've seen videos where cops show up and they're like, guys, please stop. But. And they're like, dude, get away from me. I'm not gonna listen to you. You have no authority.
- [77:52]
C
More force now is less force later.
- [77:54]
E
Yeah.
- [77:54]
C
And even verbal. More command presence now. I may hurt your feelings. But you're going to understand that we're in charge, and I mean this. Constitutionally. We're not tyrants, but we're in charge of the scene, and we have to handle this a certain way. Comply. And like Jerry always says, if you wouldn't have a bad use of force video if everybody complied, right?
- [78:13]
F
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's. Compliance is. Is gone downhill. It really has. I mean, all.
- [78:19]
A
All.
- [78:20]
F
You know, you see a lot of these traffic stops, and, you know, they turn into complete chaos if the people don't comply. They're busting windows out to get everybody out. And, you know, especially with these sovereign citizen that they.
- [78:36]
A
They.
- [78:36]
F
You know, I call them the jailhouse lawyers. They don't know what the hell they're talking about.
- [78:40]
A
Yeah, yeah. All right, all right.
- [78:43]
C
Well, Jerry, we appreciate you always, man. We appreciate being part of the family. And I'm always remembered digging you up from Knoxville and getting you back on social media, man, where you belong, which is influencing younger guys and letting cops know you know, the right way to do things professionally, morally correct. But sometimes it's ugly. And you were the epitome of the street cop. I. I will. You are the definite. That's why you made the definition on my page. You are the definition of what a street cop should be and how you should handle yourself. And I'm. I appreciate our friendship and, you know, everything you've done for us.
- [79:19]
F
Well, I. I enjoy it.
- [79:20]
C
And.
- [79:21]
F
Are you guys gonna try to get to Myrtle beach in.
- [79:25]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [79:28]
A
April.
- [79:29]
C
April.
- [79:29]
F
From April. Yeah, I wanna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be there. I told Kenny I was gonna be there and be. He's gonna teach one of the classes. I'm gonna be there, and then I'm also going to stop by the PD over there, and I've got it.
- [79:41]
C
Awesome.
- [79:41]
F
Yeah, I gotta see what's hanging on the wall.
- [79:43]
C
They got the mural, the Jerry Worms mural.
- [79:45]
A
Oh, we'll get a big.
- [79:45]
C
I have a picture. I have to send it to you. I think. I do have a picture of three of the guys standing around your card. But it's the small one, it's not the big one. I haven't seen the new one, but we appreciate it, Jerry, man. Thanks for everything.
- [79:56]
F
All right, guys. You take care.
- [79:57]
A
All right, bye. All right, we have got to cover.
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B
Yeah, I was gonna say New York.
- [80:04]
C
We've got to cover in New York.
- [80:07]
B
I mean, my. My buddy who I. I can't say his name, but he's watching. He knows what I'm talking About my, my saw gardener from Iraq is in the FDNY right now.
- [80:16]
A
Yeah.
- [80:17]
B
And it is like what I, I asked the other night, I'm like, why the are you still staying there? And it's the same thing.
- [80:24]
E
Well, the pension, the fire commissioner just resigned after the, Literally. Yeah, right after the election.
- [80:29]
A
Really?
- [80:30]
E
He put his resignation in as soon as the results.
- [80:33]
B
Did you see all the, the stuff that this dude was saying he was going to do to the nypd?
- [80:36]
C
Oh, that. So I, I got some statistics here. I did a little, did a little research.
- [80:41]
A
Oh, look at Mike.
- [80:42]
C
So one of the things I saw early was the, there have, I believe the 5, 000 officers scheduled to retire January. And they're, they don't have to, but they're, they're going to now that this guy took over. They're already understaffed and just simple things. You see him going after Trump and already he's throwing his weight around. But right away, one of the first things he talked about was making public transportation free. Just free. All those workers have to be paid, all the buses have to be fueled, all that three. And he justifies it by saying, well, it's only about $800 million a year. And you know, the state and the, the city has a hundred billion dollar budget and the state has a 220 billion dollar budget. So what's, what's a 800 million? We'll just waive it. And the other interesting thing I thought were half the people just don't pay anyway. Yeah, half the people just don't pay. So right away they're losing 50% of the profit. And then there are still good people in New York that go, I'm gonna pay my two bucks. I'm gonna pay when I go to New York, I pay, I pay the $2 ride the train. But he just said free. We're gonna make it free. Somebody else will pay for it. We'll just make it free. Don't know how it's gonna work, but we're just gonna, all the workers won't, you know, they're gonna have to come up how to pay them.
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B
Socialism.
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C
Socialism, yes. So. And prostitution. Legalized prostitution. Right on the rip. He's justifying that under, like under how is that gonna, he's gonna, he's justifying that under that we're gonna spend more time, time on human trafficking. It's basically the easiest way to equip it is we're going to stop enforcing drug possession. You can smoke the crack in the meth and do all that stuff we're just going to work about on the drug dealers, which we know that you're never going to stop drugs from coming in. Yeah. So it's just another ploy.
- [82:20]
A
So he's not, is he. Is these things decriminalizing?
- [82:23]
C
Just legalizing?
- [82:23]
A
Okay, yeah, he's decriminalizing. So he's not really like saying like, we're gonna sanction this, but we're not also going to punish for it.
- [82:29]
C
No, it's legal. You can do it. We're not going to do anything.
- [82:32]
A
So they can do crack on the side of the road real quick. Dylan.
- [82:36]
C
Well, they already do.
- [82:36]
A
Dylan, Matt, we see you. That live was emotional. God bless, y'. All. Thanks for the shout out, man. He's talking about the huge supporter in Patreon.
- [82:44]
C
Huge supporter in all the shows I do. Great dude.
- [82:47]
A
But yeah. So let's talk to the origin word of this guy. First off, can anybody say his name without looking at it?
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B
Yeah, it's Zohan, ma'.
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A
Am. Donnie.
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C
35 years old.
- [82:59]
A
Don't mess with the Zohan socialists.
- [83:02]
C
And never had a job. No, he's a councilman, city something.
- [83:05]
A
He's never had a real job.
- [83:07]
C
Here's the thing. I'm not hung up on the Muslim thing. If you're a good person, I'm okay with. You want to pray to somebody, you pray to whoever. As long as you're a good person.
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A
I think.
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C
So the Muslim thing, I'm not. Obviously a lot of people, oh, they're. They're, you know, they're holding services and times. I don't care. Pray to whoever you want as long as you're a good person. The socialism part is a problem. And one of the. Obviously the pinnacle city of the United States is New York. It's the hub of everything. We're just gonna like lawlessness and everything's free.
- [83:37]
A
We're gonna need Batman.
- [83:38]
C
How. I don't know what you're gonna do.
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B
I just don't understand what dude was giving me.
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D
The purge.
- [83:44]
A
Yeah, the purge.
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B
I mean, let's. Let's be real here is this. This guy was born outside the United States. He was. He's born in Uganda, Right. He's. He's talking about socialism in the biggest. That probably one of the most important, if not the most important city in the United States. It's going to give a lot of bad actors because of the reduction in law enforcement and from outside the United States a cover for action. And they're not gonna do. I mean, you guys know Criminals don't. Criminals don't do crime where they live. They do crime outside. They're going to be, they're going to be all over the country in a very short period of time.
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C
We see so many videos in New York City of just ridiculousness. And now imagine they're already like 3, 000 understaffed. You know, they peaked in like the 80s at like 40, 000. They're budgeted for 3, 36 almost. And they're at like 33 and it's gonna tank. It's good. Why would you. And they started like 55, 60 grand. Dude, you make good money after five years, but you start at almost nothing.
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A
Yeah. And a lot of people are. I mean obviously it's all over the Internet. The people. The real estate market has a hundred million dollar projected boom.
- [85:03]
C
I think Desantis is already jumping on it. He's making ads already. Like agencies are making ads. Like we're giving you bonuses.
- [85:09]
A
I saw Volusia sheriff. The, the, the sheriff was like, hey, you know, come on, come on down, come live in my county.
- [85:15]
C
You know, some guys badge yesterday for Frau he did.
- [85:18]
E
A former deputy was committing fraud, making bad.
- [85:20]
A
There's another bad.
- [85:21]
C
She should have melted. But yeah, yeah.
- [85:25]
A
So that there's. And also investors stopped buying real estate in New York City.
- [85:32]
B
Yeah, you sent that one, huh? Yeah, you sent that. You sent that link to us.
- [85:36]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's. It's a. Pretty much the real estate flipped upside down in a matter of seconds. Yeah.
- [85:43]
B
I mean, and I mean, who's. Who's the biggest real estate guy that we know of? That's from New York.
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A
President. Right?
- [85:49]
B
The President of the United States. He's out washing my hands.
- [85:54]
A
We.
- [85:54]
C
When you. I don't know how often you've been. We went to New York City.
- [85:56]
A
I've been twice.
- [85:57]
C
Okay, so we, you. We went to lower Manhattan, which is pretty nice area. You know, Wall Street's right there. All your, you know, 911 memorial. But world trade. That's a nice area in New York. Like people look at that and they go, oh, that's New York. Well, that's not New York, man. You get into the Bronx and you get into. Yeah, that area.
- [86:14]
A
The Bronx, bro, is. I think that's where the dangerous stadium is. But even around Yankee Stadium.
- [86:20]
C
Bad, bad, bad, bad.
- [86:22]
B
It's gonna get bad all over.
- [86:23]
C
Oh, he's got the help. Jimmy's being deployed.
- [86:30]
B
Well, I mean, can you imagine that though? Can you imagine like if they're like, hey, it's gotten so bad we're sending the National Guard to, you know, what.
- [86:38]
A
Are they going to do with it? There's a. What if there's a mass exodus of law enforcement in New York City.
- [86:43]
B
I. I hope they need more. Now, I've talked to a couple of different people that are either from New York or are in New York now, and they're like, this might be the best thing that ever happens to New York City.
- [86:54]
C
You see all those fiction.
- [86:55]
A
Oh, because it needs to happen.
- [86:56]
C
You see these fiction movies. And I know, like, when we talk about Walking Dead a lot, when they continued Walking Dead, New York was part of that, you know, Negan and what the hell was his name, Maggie. But you see all these movies that have made New York out to be, like, you know, taken over and run. It is almost realistic now to think that that's possible. Like, you would never in the world go in sophisticated. The most sophisticated country in the world, blah, blah, blah. It's in my head, realistic that New York City could feel fall at some point. You cannot continue this lawlessness and everything's free. And who is going to stick around for that? Who's going to enforce that?
- [87:34]
B
But let's. If we follow that line of thinking, Mike, at some point, we're either going to have to wall it off and it'll be like the first Snake Plissken movie, Escape from New York.
- [87:45]
C
Yeah.
- [87:45]
B
Or we're going to have to go, okay, we can't allow this to happen. We're going to have to go back and deploy the League of Shadows.
- [87:53]
C
I am. I am. New York needs to burn. You cannot save it. It's beyond saving.
- [87:58]
D
I don't know, man.
- [87:59]
B
I don't like that nihilistic mentality. I really don't.
- [88:01]
C
You cannot, bro. You can.
- [88:03]
A
It's like, well, what do you think is worse, Chicago or New York? I think we say that about Chicago.
- [88:08]
C
I think New York's worse. But Chicago has. In the tracking and all that.
- [88:11]
B
I mean, like, at. At what point do we call it worse? It's all bad. It's like, well, it's bad. Really bad over here because of these reasons. It's really bad over here for these reasons. It's all bad.
- [88:22]
C
It is bad.
- [88:23]
B
And I mean, the. The thing that's most. I mean, like, again, I come from a different angle than you guys do, which is that Chicago is important because it's a major area on the Great Lakes where a lot of stuff moves.
- [88:35]
E
Okay, so you have Chicago, then you have Indiana. The Indiana. Then you have Upside you have all.
- [88:40]
B
Of that stuff and you know about that. I mean the Great Lakes and all that crap. And New York is the biggest hub for all kinds of stuff coming into the United States. Not just people, but you know, goods and services and, and everything else by air and sea. We can't allow it to be fine.
- [88:59]
A
I would say it's a fair argument to say that the country operates off New York City.
- [89:04]
C
How can you bring a guy in with that, this mentality and just think how does it survive right on the rip? I'm telling you, one of the most under trained agencies on earth. They can't. Think of the logistics again creating an army, get 33000 people to the range. You know what, buy 33000 worth of bullets just for one evolution of everybody to qualify.
- [89:26]
B
How many, how many?
- [89:27]
C
Let's just think about that.
- [89:28]
A
How many?
- [89:28]
B
No, how many, how many rounds does it take for one round of qualification?
- [89:31]
C
Florida's 40.
- [89:32]
B
All right, so let's do, let's do the math on that because logistics is fun for me. I, I, I had, I had, I did a thought experiment the other day and was like what if we brought AK47s back to the, the Revolutionary War? How much ammo will we need?
- [89:44]
A
What's up? What, what's, what's his plans for the nypd? Did he say anything?
- [89:49]
C
Talk smack the whole election about like reforming them? Yeah, like completely, completely reforming. It's gonna be bad man. It's gonna be bad.
- [89:58]
B
So let's see what his policies and.
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C
People are cheering it. Dude, I get argue people are arguing with me on these.
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A
Well is it, is it New Yorkers that are cheering it?
- [90:05]
C
No, it's these people that don't live there, dude. Can I say that?
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B
Level reform through reallocation of responsibilities and resources rather than budget cuts to existing personnel. Creation of a Department of Community Safety. That one gives me pause because the creation Department of Community Safety, it's all words. Well first of all there's a lot of places that were called the Department of Community Safety that in a very short order we're cutting people's heads off in France. If you guys know anything about the French Revolution. Yeah, well, I mean like, yeah, it's.
- [90:38]
C
A whole nother problem. I was, I was watching a stream from London and they, you can't, London's done.
- [90:43]
B
Does, do you guys know what the Strategic response group is?
- [90:47]
A
This sounds cool.
- [90:48]
B
Yeah, he's cutting them. He says he wants to disband the Strategic response.
- [90:52]
A
So is that, is that like attack.
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B
Swat Thing I, I would, I would imagine so. I, I'm not a cop.
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A
So they leave somebody from NYPD to call.
- [91:00]
C
They live on the premise, like these liberals, that every. By making everything free and fun, that they don't. They think humans are going to react like, oh, wow, I'll just do my part and I'll just take my little bit that that's given to me. No criminals are going to take advantage of that.
- [91:17]
B
The strategic response group is the counter terrorism.
- [91:20]
C
Yeah.
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B
Get rid of it. Hey, put on your tin foil hats, people.
- [91:26]
C
I mean, come out of the river. You've got in the President.
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B
I mean, it's, You've got a guy coming in here who's, who is socialist, avowed socialist. He's against the President. He's Indian of Indian descent, but he's a Muslim and he wants to get rid of the counter terrorism organization. Does that sound like fertile ground?
- [91:43]
C
I posted a picture and all the liberals freaked where it was. Rudy Giuliani posted it and it was a picture of the Twin Towers on fire. And it said New York forgot.
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B
Yeah, New York forgot.
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C
They forgot. They forgot. They forgot what happened that day. They forgot what the, the smells and the screams and the terror that we all experienced that day, except for you. They forgot what happened and they did. And it's, it's not what this. Socialism is not what this nation was founded on. This type of behavior of lawlessness is not. I mean, think about it. New York City, Ellis island, that's where the, that's where the immigrants came to get processed legally to come into the country illegally. And now you have a guy that says, just let everybody in. It's the complete opposite of everything. It was founded on freedom, the right, Doing things the right way, coming in the country. That's where my, you know, my grandfather came in the country from Greece through Ellis Island.
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B
That's how it worked.
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A
Yeah. So there's things about New York City that are sometimes painted as bad, but they're part of the history. Like all of the communities, like the, like there's straight little mini countries inside New York City and. Because that's where they all went to as camaraderie. When they came off the boat.
- [93:02]
B
Italians were the mafia.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, so to answer your question, 1.3 million rounds just for everybody to qualify once. All right, if you multiply that by 4, right. For average training, that's 5.2.
- [93:15]
C
They do 1 million one quality.
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B
Yeah, but you gotta trade.
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C
No, no, they don't though. But you're right. If they did they would. And then you jump across the, the, the river there, Hudson over to Jersey. Who elected the female Democrat that wants to push transgender and all that back into the school system. Yeah, well, transgender awareness and poor Sal.
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B
Sal. That's what I was just about.
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C
God bless. On his family. I know that was a huge letdown. The Democrat won and the Republican. Well, the Republican had been in pictures with Sal's family and people wearing his shirts. He was going to get rid of the attorney general and, and get rid of that case. So, you know, it's. Now they're back. He's still obviously innocent, but now it's back to either. I knocked that down. Back to either. They can't find an expert witness because nobody. They can't find anybody say it was not justified. But on top of it, you know, now it's back to. They're looking at like his life is going to revolve around a trial if it goes to that point. And, and you know, they don't know if this, this lady is going to get rid of that Attorney General or not. But it was a huge, huge hit for the family. And you know, I talked to Tech, Barbara and Sal right after and it's been, you know, there's kind of wind out of there.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Barbara's still bulldog. She's not going anywhere. But it's, it's just a set back down. Yeah. It's a terrible feeling.
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A
Yeah.
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C
To go, you know, I was, you know, almost justice was going to prevail and it got ripped out.
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B
Hey, can I, can I ask a question? Because this, this thing with Sal really pisses me the off. Pisses me off off what happened to you too, Jack. But like Sal specifically, like you want to talk about the thin blue line. Hey, everybody out there that's wearing a badge right now, Sal could be you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Why are you?
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That's why. That's why me and Mike. I know I keep saying it. We're probably gonna have to take a trip up to interview NYPD guys, get boots on ground stories and then go. I want to know how the justice system, everything from the, the. What is it called up there, the just state attorney, Attorney general, Attorney general, all the way down to the average street cop. How is everybody from those two points and in the middle letting this happen?
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C
It's unfortunate, but because up there it's so liberal. Like I saw another page post their support for the Republican. He's a cop. And he basically had to preface it with I know I'm going to lose followers and friends over this. But I support the Republican. It's so bad up there. The cops have. It's not that all cops should. You don't have to be a Republican, but you have to stand for the law. And when you have an attorney general that's attacking the law and freedom, you can't. How do you support that?
- [95:49]
B
I. We're over here and, and you guys served as cops and, or sheriff's deputies here in Florida, and you're from Milwaukee, right?
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E
Outside Milwaukee.
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All right.
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B
Why aren't there organizations and, and police all over the country going to sound. Being like this is horseshit. This is wrong.
- [96:07]
C
The same thing we talk about. Nobody wants to lose their job.
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A
It's not them.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Now it is not them.
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B
That's. That's what I'm saying.
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I want to go against the grain.
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C
The unions didn't even. The unions didn't even support a candidate. The police unions in New Jersey did. Not even publicly because they don't want to be. They don't want to smoke, man.
- [96:23]
B
If you are a police officer right now, you are going to look back at this time and go, you know, just like they. Well, I didn't. I didn't stand up for Sal because I, I wasn't living over there and I didn't stand up for this guy because I wasn't part of that agency. And when they came for me, there was nobody to stand up for me. That's what's going to happen.
- [96:42]
C
This isn't a. A George Floyd shot. This isn't, you know, one of those type of incident. This is as, as cut and dry as it could possibly be. The only twist to it is that the homeowner is the caller. But meth addict, suicide by cop, armed, points a gun at the cop. It's all there. There is nothing even remotely off about this entire case. It is cut and dry as it gets. That's the frustration. It's like. And then I get into like, you know, Barbara talked me about anybody in the federal government, although they can't go into the state and force them to do anything. But if you support cops and you're in any type of government entity, state or local, and you have any kind of power and you say, we support the police. Blue line. How the. Have you not gotten involved in this case and thrown your weight around, around. That's the disappointing part to me. If you're anybody at all that has any connection to any government agency, this is the one to stand on. This guy did nothing wrong. And that's my problem. With policing and union and all that. Get up and say it like, this dude is innocent, man. There's no. You can't even like is. I can be. Play as liberal as I want to play. There is absolutely nothing this guy did wrong. He has lost his job, suffered, wakes up every day not knowing his future. Gave his life. His dad's a career cop in Philly. Like gave his life, his entire life to this job. Where are those people at? I mean, where are those people at? Support.
- [98:08]
B
You've got so many sheriffs that love to get on Fox News.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Pontificate.
- [98:13]
C
Long winded about all the different things they defecated.
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A
Right.
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C
On tv.
- [98:18]
A
Right, right. But.
- [98:19]
B
But you've got something going on here that like, hey, no. If a bunch of sheriffs, like elected sheriffs were like, this is wrong right here. This is wrong. We can't. And the only thing that I can think of is the only reason you're not calling it out is because you have plenty of skeletons in your closet and if you actually did, there'd be people going, hey, that, that, that's a really nice thing for you to say, but how about the guy that's in our age and that you didn't do it for?
- [98:45]
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Yeah.
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B
Or am I, am I wrong?
- [98:47]
C
One more so box moment. I'm done. All these big guys, these police guys and I'm not going to drop their names but we know who the police podcasts are that are massive. They'll dabble. Brandon Tatum.
- [98:59]
A
Okay.
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C
He's the one that they actually know that no family has talked him. He screams and yells on the Internet. I saw him saying something real wild. He got caught saying some throwing the N word around, arguing with somebody on a video the other day. But anyway, if it's not. If he's not doing it for himself, if it's not self serving and he's doing this because he's a cop and he has this platform. You should be screaming about Sal every day. Not once in a while. Not when it gets hot again. Every single day. Like we're talking about going up there as nobody's.
- [99:27]
B
But think about Eddie Gallagher. Right? I mean. Right. Eddie's involved.
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A
Yes.
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C
Right.
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B
How many of the military guys came. Came to his defense? A ton. It was everywhere. Everybody was talking about it. I have. I still have my free Eddie shirt.
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C
That's the difference. That's the difference.
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A
There's your.
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B
There's your answer.
- [99:43]
C
You start talking cop versus military. There's your answer right there.
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B
Right.
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C
You saw the support for him.
- [99:47]
B
Yeah.
- [99:47]
C
And it Was cops don't.
- [99:48]
B
Because every one of us had dealt with cid. We had dealt with that kind of crap. And we were like, but for the grace of God, there go I.
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C
There's the difference in the two entities. The military by nature is more camaraderie because you. It's the closeness and the. And the it. I was in both and you were in both. Yeah, it's. That is. There's your answer. Everybody spoke up for Eddie except for the dudes trying to snake him. Yeah, everybody. Cops go to work every day, don't give a who Saladrade is until they're there. Like you said, until they're the guy. Then they'll go, hey, I need to.
- [100:23]
B
Know about the pipe. What's even worse about, like, Eddie. Eddie went to Dan Crenshaw, who was in the SEAL teams and who knew about it.
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C
We had him on.
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A
Oh, yeah, we had Dan on.
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C
Did you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
Can I, Can I keep going?
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C
Yeah, keep going.
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B
Yeah, they went to Dan Crenshaw. I mean, I know Eddie talked about it because I heard his wife talking about it.
- [100:45]
A
We've had Eddie on twice.
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C
Yeah, yeah. And.
- [100:47]
B
And they were like, he, he played. He talked a big game, but at the end of the day, he didn't do.
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C
Yeah, I think I told him that to his face or on the phone. Oh, yeah, he didn't like that.
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A
That was. Yeah, that was Mike's.
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B
I mean, there's. There's a lot. I mean, there's a. A lot that I want to talk about tonight. I was prepared for Ryan to come on tonight. I didn't know he was coming on this morning.
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A
Oh.
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B
So I had a whole bunch of stuff that we're gonna have to talk about on the. The after party.
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C
We'll be here tonight, 80pm but that's that. You just inadvertently summed up the difference between military and cops.
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B
And there's so many former military guys.
- [101:22]
C
But there's more cops and they don't stick together. Well, millions million cops in the nation and they'll dance on Tick tock, they'll self serve, they'll have their podcast, they'll talk about everything. They'll get themselves in politics so they can get on Fox News and all these big platforms. Here we are in Orlando, small, small guys, and we are overly concerned for the regular rank and file people. We're probably never going to be that popular because it's not catchy, it's not cool. But we stand on morals and we stand on defending those people.
- [101:51]
B
Well, John the Baptist, a lot of the stuff.
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C
I'll die happy. Like I said in that video about you and Jerry and all that. I'll die happy as this little guy here in Florida. But at least I stuck up for the right people. I didn't do it because it's cool. And I told you this the other day. My dumbass was sitting on the couch, retired, enjoying it, and I chose to come back and. And get clipped and get. You wanted fun, but not. I don't give a. About me. It's a guy like him. It's a guy like Sal. It's a guy. Those are the people that. And you can talk all this and talk all the comments we see. That's great. I'm not here for me. I'm here because I want people to connect. You know, I want people to connect and I want to be that. All those dms, if I'm able to read, almost like the air traffic controllers are getting ready to quit or get further. Yeah, I feel like a little measly nobody air traffic controller. But I'm able to direct that message. Probably should go to that guy. And this guy should probably connect with that guy, and that'll help him. And this charity could connect with him. That's all it is. You can talk all the you want about me, the memes, the goon, all the.
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B
You're.
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C
You guys are doing YouTube to make money, dual income to be famous and popular. I'm doing this so that these little connections can happen. And that. That's all that makes me happy. Money doesn't make me happy. The connections make me happy.
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B
So do you want to. Do you want to segue that into the fa.
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C
Fire away. You're the man. Go ahead.
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B
All right, so you know, you brought up the faa, Lewis.
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D
Go to the email.
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B
Oh, all right, so we're. I'm gonna try to run through this as fast as I can. We had a. We had a busy, crazy day. We're gonna have to start doing three. Three hours. No, five days.
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C
Stop, stop.
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A
At the top of the second hour. My brain's fried.
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C
I gotta talk again. All night. Yeah.
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A
One of these.
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B
No, I want you to go into the email, right?
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A
Yeah. Damn, Jimmy.
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B
I'm sorry.
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A
Go into the email.
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C
And 50 minutes out of that email. I know you know what email is.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Go to the email that I sent you, right? And I want you to pull up the plane crash.
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C
Top one that says Jimmy Arnett. James Arnett right there. Up, up. No, not Paul Mullen. Up, up, up, up. Jimmy. On. Hey, is the producer Job open. I'm gonna apply.
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A
It's like I quit.
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B
Lewis. Lewis knows that. I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm his help. As full as I could be to that guy. All right, so the. Here's the first one. Here's the best video I've seen of this plane crash.
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F
Including one child.
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B
Wait, no, no, no.
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C
Yeah, yeah. Is it on here?
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's. It's. Okay, so keep going. Just keep going. 56 seconds of your life.
- [104:28]
F
Louisville, Kentucky officials expect that number to increase. They appear to be, in turn packed. Video shows flames shooting from the left wing as the plane took off. It was headed to Honolulu.
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C
And we have viewed airport CCTV security.
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D
Coverage which shows the left engine detaching.
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F
From the wing during the takeoff road.
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B
All right, that's. That's.
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C
Before you go, I gotta put. Put my hat on.
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B
Okay.
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A
All right. Let the screen get big.
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B
You're gonna.
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A
You can get down. Yep. All right. Conspiracy time.
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C
I bet they found parts of the plane. I bet it's not gone. Yeah, no, they definitely did.
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B
There's a big swat.
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C
Yeah. Even with an engine missing, they found parts of it.
- [105:16]
B
Yeah.
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C
Okay.
- [105:16]
B
Yeah, so that's weird.
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C
It's not a five sided building.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Or a grassy field.
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B
The only reason I'm bringing that up is I got a lot of people who they like, DM'd me and they were like, you guys talked about it. Now we got planes falling out of this country. Guy, that plane, that's a. Was it MCD11? Yeah, it's MD11.
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C
Yeah. Old, right?
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F
Old.
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B
They're getting ready to phase them out. Right.
- [105:39]
C
They're not gonna sell many of them.
- [105:41]
B
So there was a. There was another. A DC10, which is basically the older version of that plane. Had a similar thing happen where the engine basically came off of its mounting and flipped over the wing. And that's pretty much what it looks like in this.
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C
And he was taken off, right?
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B
Yeah, yeah, both of those. They were.
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A
Are they all dead?
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C
Oh, yeah, they're all seven dead so far, I think.
- [106:02]
B
Five man crew. Yeah, five man crew plus people.
- [106:05]
C
Have a good point. Yeah, your wife brought up a good point. There's many angles of that thing, man. Video everywhere.
- [106:10]
A
Yeah.
- [106:10]
C
Crazy. There was no.
- [106:12]
A
Wait, are you saying it's a conspiracy or not?
- [106:13]
C
No, no, this is not a conspiracy.
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B
He's talking about 9 11.
- [106:16]
C
I didn't say 911. I just said the plane hit him.
- [106:19]
A
You're saying that how when a plane crashes, there's magically a million angles of it. So that makes sense.
- [106:25]
C
I mean. Oh, one. We still have videos.
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D
All those.
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C
Very secure facility. I'm pretty sure it's a pretty secure facility. I don't know. Obviously there's more cameras because there is actually one other one. I saw it just came out this morning where it's going over the road or whatever, and there's a guy and got a dash cam and you can see the engine's missing. They just slow it down. But the engine's completely gone.
- [106:48]
B
Yeah, it's not on the left.
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C
Engine is gone.
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B
Yeah, it's down off.
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C
Fell down.
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A
Fell off. They didn't say, hey, stop.
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C
No, they didn't say stop. You know what I start to do? I start thinking about my next flight and where I'm gonna sit in the plane because I don't want to see the engine come off. I don't want to know.
- [107:06]
B
Yeah, I don't want to know. So I think when you're like this.
- [107:09]
C
Yeah.
- [107:09]
B
So I'm like.
- [107:11]
C
But it was cargo.
- [107:13]
B
I watched One of my SMEs that I go to like, okay, what the. Happened to this airplane? So this all. And that's how I know that like this happened. I think the same kind of accident happened in 1979. That's how old this plane is. Where the. And that was a passenger plane, that one. And the engine came off, flipped over the wing. And then because of. You know, it's got three engines, but you've lost an engine.
- [107:38]
A
Right.
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B
And you're trying to get to a certain amount of power. But that. Basically the reason why he's in a left bank is because I don't.
- [107:44]
C
I think the engine could not work and the plane would fly. The falling off part, I think, is what really hurts.
- [107:49]
B
So. Yeah.
- [107:50]
C
When it catches. Because the fuel is in the wings, right?
- [107:52]
B
Well, fuel. And the biggest problem is hydraulics. Yes, the hydraulics. So once that. Once it pulls that thing out, the h. The. The.
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A
The.
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B
The flash.
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C
Give me a big word come up.
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B
Oh, I don't have a big one.
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C
Something.
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B
The. The.
- [108:05]
A
The equilibrium.
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C
Okay. I wanted something. I wanted something big.
- [108:11]
B
So that's the first one. So the faa. Lewis, respect to the.
- [108:14]
C
That's what. That's what I get crazy about flying. It doesn't have to look like that. One little itty bitty wire could snap that controls one of these things.
- [108:21]
A
And one of the flappers.
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E
I'm so excited to fly on Monday.
- [108:26]
A
They're.
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C
They're dumping flights like crazy. So go back. Yeah, I wouldn't be excited.
- [108:30]
B
Go Back to the email, Lewis, if you would, please, sir.
- [108:33]
C
You can remove that, Lewis.
- [108:34]
B
Yeah, you can get rid of that one. So the next one we're going to go to. And this is just because. And I didn't get the chance to thank Ryan for this. There's a lot of people that are like, hey, where are you?
- [108:42]
C
Where.
- [108:42]
B
Where are your sources, Jimmy? Well, I, I made sure I got them all this morning. All right, so go to the one that says FAA.
- [108:52]
C
Top one.
- [108:53]
B
There you go. So, yeah, pull that up. Yeah, if so, nationwide cancellations.
- [109:03]
A
Okay.
- [109:04]
B
All right, so look at this right here. Right. So there it is. That's Fox 13. That's my local news.
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A
Right?
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B
About 10%. That's what the Trump administration is looking to do. 10% of the flights nationwide looking to.
- [109:17]
C
Be canceled because of Squiggly Line Airline. Is that.
- [109:20]
B
I don't know.
- [109:22]
A
Why are they canceling flight?
- [109:24]
B
They don't have enough air traffic controllers.
- [109:27]
E
Because the government shut down there.
- [109:29]
A
How is an air traffic controller a government job? That's what I don't understand.
- [109:32]
B
It is because they work for the nia. They work federal aviation. Okay, so, and first words, we're not brains here.
- [109:41]
C
We kick doors and we chase bad guys. Gave them distractionary blows.
- [109:45]
A
So they don't work for the airports. They work for the faa.
- [109:48]
B
They work for the fa. Same for tsa.
- [109:50]
A
They don't work, but they're not getting paid right now.
- [109:52]
C
And then they're gonna cut them.
- [109:53]
B
Yeah, I mean, and so like imagine.
- [109:55]
C
So the dude controlling all this. Yeah, you go, you go. You guys over there. Building.
- [110:00]
B
What was that movie? Pushing 10. Yeah, can't.
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C
Can't feed his family. Can't gamble. That's real bad.
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B
Yeah, it's, it's. So that's, that's just 10. And then we're looking at. Gonna have to. At some point. It's going to get bad enough where they're going to have to start shutting down airspace. Shutting down airspace. I mean, the busiest airports. I mean, luckily, you're going out to.
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C
The middle of nowhere.
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E
Well, it's 500, 000 people. It's definitely not the size of anything else over here.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I mean, like trying to go into New York, trying to go to land at LaGuardia or something like that. That, like, if there's, if there's five guys that are not on the job, we're in trouble.
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E
Yeah.
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B
And we're gonna have what, 50? I mean, nobody. Only a.30% of all of those people are getting paid of the, the FAA guys, of the air traffic controllers, only about 30 are getting any kind of pay. Everybody else is not getting paid.
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D
That's insane.
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E
They, like I was telling you guys earlier, I got a notification from Southwest. Like they're offering a one time opportunity to change your flight as of today. And so is United because they're like, expect by Monday that there's gonna be a bunch of issues.
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A
Oh, yeah. Oh. So yeah.
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C
So they're trying to.
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A
What can happen from today to Monday.
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E
Yes.
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B
Think about it in terms of a road march. You got, I mean the three, three of the four of us have been on a road march. You know that accordion that starts happening.
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E
Yeah.
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B
That's what's about to start happening. It's going to start.
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A
Statistical nightmares.
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B
Logistical travel. I mean, if I were you, man, I'd be looking at maybe rent a car.
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E
That's a long.
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C
A lot of.
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A
Yeah, yeah. All right, we gotta wrap up the show, guys. We have some updates. We are. Our website's up, by the way. It's not finished, but it's up. The antiherobroadcast.com. we'll have more on that. That's really just for informational purposes. But the cool thing is we're working on our merch store.
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C
Yes.
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A
So we will have shirts. Some shirts are going to be available only for you guys. Some shirts can be available only for Patreon. Some shirts will only be a limited time purchase. Some shirts will be there forever. You know, we just gotta go through that and. But that's not the hard part. The hard part's the website. So we'll have that up soon. And this Saturday on Patreon, we are going live. We're doing a live show, undisclosed, but.
- [112:07]
C
Only available on Patreon.
- [112:09]
A
Only available on Patreon. So if you want to see us.
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C
Two hour live broadcast, right.
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A
Roughly 8:00pm Eastern Standard Time. So we'll have the link up in, in, in Patreon, but we'll also be going live on Patreon on Friday before that. Just a studio type thing. So thanks again for all the support. Thanks for, again for everything you guys do. Roll that out. JV team for life.