11/10/2025: MORE ILLEGAL BETTING AND STIMULUS CHECKS

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: 11/10/2025 – MORE ILLEGAL BETTING AND STIMULUS CHECKS

Date: November 10, 2025
Host: The Antihero Podcast & crew
Description: The Broadcast for Veterans and First Responders!!

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, wide-ranging roundtable that covers recent news, commentary, and deep dives tailored to veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans. Topics include illegal sports betting scandals, issues with stimulus checks and mortgages, the struggles and future of veteran organizations (esp. VFW), policing, law enforcement deaths, recent sports news, socioeconomic frustrations, and community updates on upcoming events. The show blends humor, emotion, and sharp insights, often centering on how systemic problems affect their core audience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weather & Opening Banter

• The crew opens joking about the surprising cold in Florida, playoff football woes, and the Marine Corps birthday.
  (00:33–01:59)

2. Veterans’ Issues, Burn Pits & VA Healthcare Failings

• The team reflects on the passing of Marine Kevin Lee Lloyd due to cancer traced to burn pit exposure. They criticize the VA’s "10-year rule" for coverage and highlight the injustice of veterans being neglected while illegal immigrants receive government benefits.

  • Quote: “You should never be able... to get benefits that somebody who signed a contract up to and including death...should never suffer.” — B (06:43)

• Discussion on how veterans often stay quiet and lack effective political advocacy compared to other groups.

  • Quote: “Because vets by nature stay quiet and just do their job...there’s not a whole entire political party advocating for votes from veterans.” — B (07:13)

(04:01–07:17)

3. Law Enforcement Deaths, Critique, and Training

• Emotional recap of Deputy Devin Hamario’s on-duty death and the fallout, including video circulation online, public critiques, and the dilemma for highly-trained professionals sometimes still falling victim to violence.
  • Quote: “He does everything right ...and he loses life by mere circumstances.” — B (10:15)
  • Broad reflection on the dangers faced by officers and the importance of ongoing preparedness.
  • Calls out companies profiting off tragedies by using police death videos for promotion or critique.

(07:33–14:28)

4. Public/Cultural Reactions to Police & Athlete Tragedies

• The debate over recent public reactions to tragedies involving law enforcement and athletes, touching on perception biases, internet outrage, and media misinformation.
  • Example: Marshawn Neland's story—speculation vs. facts in police encounters and suicide prevention.

(14:39–17:03)

5. Sports Scandal: Illegal Betting—Baseball, UFC, Boxing

• Guest K9 joins to break down the latest in illegal sports betting scandals with MLB relief pitchers (Luis Ortiz, Emmanuel Clase) charged for conspiring with gamblers to fix first pitches.

  • Quote: “They just put it in the system... This dude’s last 27 appearances, the first pitch has been a ball in like 20 games.” — B (20:21)

• Covers broader history of sports corruption: referencing UFC, boxing (Tyson vs. Jake Paul), historical mafia influence, and the difficulty of entirely eliminating crime from sports.

(19:22–23:53)

6. Antonio Brown Legal Troubles

• Recap of Antonio Brown’s indictment for attempted murder after an altercation at a celebrity boxing match, self-defense claims, and a discussion on CTE and athlete brain trauma.
  • Quote: “He hasn’t been the same since that perfect hit.” — D (24:58)
  • Broader comments about the destructive spiral of professional athletes with brain injuries.

(23:56–26:13)

7. Streaming Wars: Disney, ESPN, and the Pain for Fans

• Discussion over recent disputes between Disney (owner of ESPN, ABC) and YouTube TV.
  • Outages impact fans’ ability to watch sports and kids’ programming.
  • Consumers are forced into multiple expensive subscriptions.
  • Quote: “We’re the morons... those people make billions and billions of dollars and...we’re just gonna keep making money.” — B (37:29)

(33:02–37:36)

8. Socioeconomic Anxiety: Mortgages, Renting, and SNAP Benefits

• A critical conversation on the new 50-year mortgage proposal (Trump’s plan), how it increases long-term debt and prevents most from ever owning homes—drawing parallels to predatory lending.

  • Quote: “You’re gonna pay $1.1 million for your home over that 50 years and you’ll never own it.” — B (39:34)

• Broader chat about car leasing vs. buying, the realities of renting, inflation, utility costs, and how financial stress affects everyday Americans.

(39:04–47:01)

9. Stimulus Checks & Economic Policy

• Announcement and debate of proposed new $2,000 “stimulus checks” (Trump) from tariff profits.
  • Questions of effectiveness versus just giving Americans a tax credit.
  • Emotional toll for working-class families struggling to provide for basic needs during inflation.

(50:57–53:16)

10. Government Shutdown Drama & Legislative Gridlock

• Update on the ongoing government shutdown; Democrat and Republican maneuvering.
  • “Society held hostage” over holiday spending and travel.
  • Reflection on how shutdowns impact military, veterans, and law enforcement stipends.

(54:25–56:27)

11. VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) and the Struggle for Relevance

• Extended, passionate debate over the relevance and future of the VFW.
  • Critique of its outdated atmosphere, gatekeeping culture, and resistance to modernization.
  • Argument for reform: broader inclusion and younger, tech-savvy events to draw new blood.
  • Quote: “They want people to come join them on their sinking ship.” — A (81:30)
  • Personal anecdotes on disconnection between generations of veterans, lack of younger engagement, and how “tab protectors” or old-guard attitudes are alienating post-9/11 vets.

(58:09–82:01)

12. Community Initiatives and Fundraisers

• Shout-out to a GoFundMe for Jeanette, a nurse and mother of five (two NYPD sons, one future military kid), battling metastatic breast cancer.
• Upcoming events: Tampa/St. Pete area veteran brewery event, South Carolina December event.
• Emphasis on grassroots mutual aid for their community and use of podcast platform for good.

(84:03–86:54; 110:32–113:48)

13. Clint’s Story Segment

• Regular caller Clint regales with 82nd Airborne tales—including jungle marches, prank “ruck rocks,” and a misadventure at airborne school, balancing humor with military nostalgia.
  • Quote: “He said, I looked over and Audie Murphy was parachuting beside us...I don’t think you’re gonna make it.” — C (95:42) (88:41–95:42)

14. Operator Drama and SEAL “Who Shot Bin Laden” Disputes

• Anticipation for Matt Bissonnette’s Sean Ryan Show episode—how his testimony may contradict Rob O’Neill’s and disrupt previous narratives about the bin Laden raid.
  • On “quiet professionalism” and the politics of military storytelling in media.

(97:08–100:07)

15. NFL/Coaching News and Sports Fandom

• Giants fire coach mid-episode, sparking discussion on coaching efficacy, team performance, and the business of football.
• Nostalgia for watching Super Bowls while deployed; reflection on changing dynamics in the NFL and why alternative leagues fail to compete.

(100:35–107:25)

16. International Security: Japan’s Military Posture vs. China

• Recent statements by Japanese PM signaling renewed willingness for offensive military action if China attacks Taiwan—a historical turning point.
• U.S. role enabling Japanese defense; history of WWII restrictions and modern rearmament.

(108:01–109:30)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• [06:43] B: “You should never be able... to get benefits that somebody who signed a contract up to and including death...should never suffer.”
• [10:15] B: “He does everything right ...and he loses life by mere circumstances.”
• [20:21] B: “They just put it in the system... This dude’s last 27 appearances, the first pitch has been a ball in like 20 games.”
• [37:29] B: “We’re the morons... those people make billions and billions of dollars and...we’re just gonna keep making money.”
• [39:34] B: “You’re gonna pay $1.1 million for your home over that 50 years and you’ll never own it.”
• [53:16] D: “I got three kids, and I’m not even sure how I can keep going.”
• [81:30] A: “They want people to come join them on their sinking ship.”
• [95:42] C: “He said, I looked over and Audie Murphy was parachuting beside us...I don’t think you’re gonna make it.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:33–01:59 — Opening banter, Marine Corps birthday, football.
• 04:01–07:17 — Burn pits, VA coverage, veteran vs. immigrant benefits.
• 07:33–14:28 — Police line-of-duty deaths, video critiques, officer training.
• 19:22–23:53 — Illegal MLB betting scandal, broader sports corruption.
• 23:56–26:13 — Antonio Brown’s indictment, athlete brain injury.
• 33:02–37:36 — Streaming wars: Disney/YouTube TV, pain for sports fans.
• 39:04–47:01 — Mortgages, renting, car buying, socioeconomic struggle.
• 50:57–53:16 — Stimulus check proposal, financial anxiety.
• 58:09–82:01 — VFW’s generational disconnect and tough love critique.
• 88:41–95:42 — “Clint’s” Army tales, prank story, and military camaraderie.
• 97:08–100:07 — SEAL bin Laden raid drama, operator stories in the media.
• 100:35–107:25 — Giants fire coach, NFL coaching discourse.
• 108:01–109:30 — Japan’s defense posture, China/Taiwan situation.
• 110:32–113:48 — Upcoming events, community engagement.

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Tone and Style

The episode is candid, raw, irreverent but deeply caring—balancing dark humor with real empathy for veterans and first responders. The hosts riff off each other, often using gallows humor, digressions, and banter, but always circling back to the struggles and needs of their audience.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• You'll get a blend of news breakdown, policy critique, and personal reflection impossible to find on most mainstream shows—delivered with authenticity, sarcasm, and unfiltered veteran candor.
• The episode is especially rich for those interested in veterans’ advocacy, sports integrity scandals, economic policy, blue-collar realities, and the inner workings of legacy organizations like the VFW.
• Noteworthy too are the practical discussions of law enforcement dangers, community fundraisers, and the emotional echo of service—from the battlefield to the home front.

Transcript

[A]

Savannah, good morning. Whoa, I sound really loud.

[B]

Sounds good, though. Sounds good.

[A]

Okay. I didn't mean to scream that in the mic. Good morning.

[C]

Good morning.

[A]

Monday, November 10th. The anti air broadcast is the broadcast for veterans, first responders and all blue collar Americans in winter has officially set in here.

[B]

Yeah, it's gonna be like 30s, 20s tomorrow, right?

[A]

Yeah, I think 30s. I think maybe 20s in like north Florida.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

I don't think it would ever get in the twenties.

[D]

I love it. Yeah, well, you love it because you're from Florida. Freaking up north, man.

[A]

Speaking of, man, the Giants crushed it last night. Yeah.

[B]

No, they lost.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So the Giants became. Became. They're 0 and 4 in road games where they're winning by 10 points or more. They were up by 10 with 359 left yesterday.

[A]

Lost.

[B]

They were up way up in Denver.

[A]

Lost.

[B]

It's been a struggle, to say the least.

[A]

Sounds like it.

[B]

The quarterback is amazing. He's gonna win the rookie of the year. He got a concussion like third quarter, maybe change the outcome of a game. But I'm glad they lost. It's that like, your team's playing good, but you're happy. They're losing for draft position and to fire their coaching staff, so there's definitely a bright.

[D]

You're tanking your guys.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think on purpose. I think the coach is a. And the way they manage the game is a. But there's, there's. There's some life in the, in the, in the blood. Not very much, but we're, we're living.

[A]

Well, it's tomorrow's Veterans Day, but if you haven't woken up and seen your phone and all your marine friends, it's also the Marine Corps birthday today.

[B]

Yeah. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, devil dogs.

[A]

Yeah. Happy birthday, guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not that we needed to remind her.

[D]

But yeah, I mean, like, those guys are going ham right now. They're like, they're gonna drink the whole town dry in Ybor, dude, last year.

[A]

In Ybor, like, which is Tampa, if no one.

[D]

Yeah. In Ybor City, in Tampa, like, eight Marines got into a fistfight with like 12 Antifa guys on the Marine Corps birthday. That was bad for them.

[A]

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[D]

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[D]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Yeah, there it is. Say 15 on your cans. They got everything for from.22s to the big ass caliber ones that you need a tax stamp just to get. Anyways, they got cans for everything. Jim's an awesome dude. We work hand in hand with him. Small business touch, big business logistics. So go to elevated silence.com, use promo code ANTI, or say 15 off your can. Here we are, speaking of Marines, Kevin Lee Lloyd. Kevin Lee Lloyd passed away. I don't know if you guys don't know who that is. We, we did a thing on him like a month. Month, two ago even. And he's. He. I, I've. I know what they're talking about when they say he's got cancer from the burn pits. And the VA has this rule where if you 10 years go by from your last date overseas where you're claiming you were near a burn pit, they won't cover it. It's a 10 year rule. I obviously thank the Lord I do not have cancer from the burn pit. But he had cancer directly related to the burn pit. The VA left him high and dry. Obviously he's got no tricare because he's out. And he passed away, the post said, several hours ago. So I don't know if it was November 9th or November 10th. That he passed. But he did pass away recently in the hospital that was at. So if you can go to his pages, give your condolences, keep them in your prayers, keep his kids in your prayers. And they have a new fight now.

[D]

Yeah, no, no, I mean like at this point, I mean, it's almost like, dude, just bring him back on active duty just so he can get tricare.

[B]

Well, it's like Jack, like nobody should be left behind for getting can. And we, we, you know, all this snap benefit, all this health care stuff that goes on in the news every day and all that is for. They're arguing over people that aren't United States citizens. Should anybody suffer? No, I'm on the belief that all humans deserve to be treated equally, fairly, everybody on earth. But when you have a country that's funding illegal immigrants for health care and you have a marine that's dying for.

[A]

Hospital from cancer, that he did got.

[B]

Service, that he got service related, there should never be any argument. Where are the Democrats and where are the people pushing that agenda?

[D]

I think that there are plenty of people out there that should get, you know, treat everybody, should be treated with dignity and respect. But the, the amount of commitment that the U. S. Government should have should be commiserate to the amount of sacrifice you made for the government. None of us voted to go to Iraq or Afghanistan. None of us wanted to be near a burn pit for 24 hours a day, every day for 12, 15, 18 months. No, that is a hundred percent on the government. And the government should, no question, you.

[B]

Should never be able to walk in the country, never having not even been a citizen, let alone serving the country, and get benefits. That somebody who was born here and signed a contract to up to and including death as a, as a commitment to the United States of America, that person should never suffer. It's a huge problem. But because vets by nature stay quiet and just do their job. And there's not a whole entire political party advocating for votes from veterans. They don't get the service that the illegal immigrants.

[D]

Because you're a veteran and you're always.

[B]

Yeah, correct.

[D]

Whereas like, you know, if you are, unless you're like a Navy seal, then your Navy seal Rob, on you. Yeah, well, sorry, I was making a joke.

[A]

I didn't get it.

[D]

Rob o', Neal, while we're on that.

[B]

Topic, I'm just gonna stay because obviously we had a pretty sad incident over here in Florida.

[D]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Devin Hamario, deputy Miami Dade, was executed with his own firearm, responded to again. And I'm gonna cook for a minute on this.

[A]

Go.

[B]

This man was highly trained. This man was in. An officer involved shooting in April, killed somebody. Tactically, very good cop. Started at, I believe, Coral Gables and then moved to Miami. His dad is a career Miami Day Detective, 30 years or so retired. This kid was raised to be a cop in great physical condition, wears his vest, trains jiu jitsu. This guy was the cop that everybody's classes, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And he. He. The video, unfortunately, just like Charlie Kirk's, makes it all over the Internet, so we get to see a cop get murdered, which is terrible for his family, for everybody. And there were a couple pages, and I'm not going to name them, that unfortunately immediately posted the video and started pushing training in their company, which to.

[A]

Me is a. Yeah, I mean, here's the.

[B]

I don't like it.

[A]

It's. I. I treat it like comedians say it all the time. It's a business when they. You're always pushing the line, and sometimes you push too far. And comedians, I, I just relate that to comedy because they say, like, they'll try something and they'll be like, yep, world's not ready for that one. And it's an apology. That's all it is.

[B]

Hey, this was hours. This is. Video is leaked online because a civilian recorded it. And within hours, there was critiques going on on the takedown.

[D]

I mean, I watched that video. You watched that video. I didn't see anything wrong. I mean, it took what, it's a second and a half? Yeah, a second and a half.

[B]

And if you watch the whole video, this dude is. Well, where I'm going with this is not to. Just not with those companies. But my overall message to law enforcement is 95 of you are not in Devin's league when it comes to training. Physical fit. And you're. You're out there pretending to be a cop every day, not taking it serious. This dude took the job very, very serious. And by unfortunate circumstances, a bad guy is able to unholster his weapon while he has him in. The cop was in complete control, full mount on top of him, doing everything he's supposed to do, and he loses his life. So if you're not taking this job serious, do it for him. Wake up tomorrow and go that this dude was the guy.

[D]

The life you saved may be your.

[B]

Partner or your own.

[A]

Well, and I just think that it just goes to show. I mean, you can. The. The job is the job. Yeah, you can. It's just like the military. You can be the most highly trained and proficient in everything you need to do. And it just. Sometimes I'm not. I, I don't know. I have a nice way to say this. Sometimes that stuff just happens.

[D]

I agree with you. It's not up to you, man. It's just. It's just war, this, but that.

[B]

My point being is, is if it can just happen to a guy who does everything right, how much easier could happen to somebody who does nothing to prepare for it? This. You can watch that video. And I hate the fact that people critiqued it right away. He does everything right. I watch videos of him in the academy. They've been posted. This dude's in shape. This dude is squared away. This is the guy you want next to you on every single call. There's a shooting video online where he kills somebody with a gun, tactical vehicle coverage, uses force necessary, drops. This guy, he does everything right and he loses life by mere circumstances. And, and like you said, there's some things that I can control.

[D]

But, I mean, I, I had buddies of mine get killed in the war. And, and you go back when, when this stuff happens, you go back and you go, what did we do wrong? And sometimes there's no answer for that.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And you, you got killed because you.

[A]

Were there and doing your job just to make it real. I mean, we recently. This is a real thing. We recently just broke down a video on the night shift where a cop was in the same situation and came out on top, identical. This happens more than you know. And they were.

[B]

Yes. And like we talked about in mma, my wife and I had this conversation. We actually had. We bought a car yesterday. The guy was a Division 1 wrestler, and now he's in Jiu jitsu. He's a blue belt. You can do everything right. The highest level guy, Khabib, Islam, Makachev, John Jones, they're Conor McGregor. They lose. Yeah, they lose. They're the guy. They're the guy. Mike Tyson losing the Buster Douglas. Never supposed to happen. So in a fight, you can be the best of the best of the best. There is always going to be a circumstance where you can lose. But if you're a cop and you're not putting yourself in position to even be remotely trained in those areas, you are failing your family, yourself and everybody in your community.

[D]

But yes, also remember too, that like, when you go into a fight as a cop.

[A]

Thanks.

[D]

You're not just bringing, you know, the, the meat mittens, you're bringing a lot of equipment into that fight. And dude, like, it can get used against you even when you're as well trained as this guy was, it only takes a second and a half.

[B]

And how often do you guys lose their taser? Guys lose their, their weapon. And, and it's unfortunate, and this is. And the reason. And I want to say you kind of touched on this the other night. We're harping on this one. This guy's life is no less than all the other cops that had died. He just happens to be local. So I, I'm. We're as guilty as. If this happens in San Bernardino. We brought it up, but we just by nature don't have as much information because we don't know anybody in San Bernardino. We don't know anybody in any other, you know, he happens to be right here. Frank Rego is a huge supporter of ours. He's Miami Dade SWAT commander. We have a shirt out there. He's a huge. He sponsored one of our events. This kid, he knew this kid personally. This kid was getting ready to try out for Miami Date squat. So it's like this kid was squared away. So by nature we have more information. So all people killed in line of duty are very important to us. We care for everybody. We'll post your GoFundMe. We'll make sure the community. This one just happens to be right here, two and a half hours away. We know people who know him. We get a little bit more information and it hits a little harder. So we're going to cover a little bit more. But don't think we're just downplaying any other law enforcement officers that were killed. This happened to be right here.

[D]

It's not just our community. These are our, our friends. They're our colleagues.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

These are people that in our industry.

[A]

Or what you call that in our culture.

[D]

Yeah, they're in our counter culture. Yeah, I hate that. I hate to plug it that way.

[B]

That's why we have more information, because like I said, I, I get confident. You know, I get texts and comments from guys that are for, hey, my buddy passed away, or this. And he's in Georgia or he's in, you know, California. And yes, we support you. We post your GoFundMe. But when I know real people who've spoken to this man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who reach out to me, it's just a little bit more close.

[A]

I mean, and it, like you said, it's covered on every social media platform because it was caught on video. So, I mean, we, we. That we naturally.

[D]

Except for, except for the legacy media, got a peep out of them.

[B]

Yeah, it was it was. Somebody driving by, recorded the whole incident. And just like Charlie Kirk's, unfortunately, it was up on the Internet. This dude's family has just been notified he's dead. They're dealing with all the stuff, and, you know, everybody's online breaking it down, and. And, you know, I just don't. I don't dig that. I don't dig that at all.

[D]

Almost makes you want to cry, man.

[B]

Actually, I didn't know how I was going to feel when I talked about it. And I actually brought you just.

[D]

You.

[B]

I brought those over there.

[A]

I bought some onions to put here just in case.

[B]

Yeah, I brought the. I actually walked out right before we started broadcasting and got. Got my glasses because I didn't know how I was going to hold up talking about that, because it's. It's upsetting.

[D]

But, you know, if I can I. Can I use this as a segue into the next thing? Sure. So. So the. The. When we're. We're looking at the reflections, we caught a lot of heat from Marshawn Neland.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, we put it out, and I. I saw you in the comments, and you're saying, dude, this is just literally news coverage. Like, you're just like. People were getting sad.

[B]

I. I was like, I didn't see it. What were they mad about?

[D]

Oh, well, they were like, always. You know, they're always mad about something. But it was like, how can you guys say this? Because you. You asked a question. Was he committing crimes? And I said, there's got to be something more going on. Right. And so people were doing the whole.

[C]

Oh, so he's black.

[A]

I guess.

[B]

I guess police were involved.

[D]

More.

[B]

Something more going on could also be the fact that I believe what happened was somebody called 911 and said, he's threatening to kill himself.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And if you watch the video, that's exactly, exactly what I said. And so nobody. Everybody's like, oh, you guys suck.

[A]

You're.

[B]

You're. Well, we suck, but.

[D]

Well, we suck. Many reasons besides that, but, dude, man, like, we were. We were actually in this guy's corner, and we were.

[A]

We wore the same shirt.

[D]

Jimmy, man, here. I. I'll. I'll. Don't look.

[A]

We got.

[B]

We got to check in the morning.

[A]

In our text threads. What are you wearing anyways?

[B]

Keep going.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, we just. Dude, like, I. The first thing I said when I'm like, dude, this guy's running from the cops. He's got. He just had something fantastic happen to him in his career.

[A]

Right.

[D]

He's a special teamer, scores a touchdown. It's a huge moment.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

For the Dallas freaking Cowboys. And then four days later, he sucks. Starting a pistol. There's got to be something more going on there. Right? And there's something more going on. It's not that he's a criminal. Something more going on is. Does he been struggling with depression? Did. Did something bad happen to him in his life? Is he struggling with.

[A]

Well, a lot of people were trying to say, oh, well, the cops were looking for him because of the. The suicide call, and that is not true. The cops conducted a traffic stop and then he fled. Not saying that the cops were ever going to charge him with anything. Not saying.

[B]

Then they got the information that he was.

[A]

The fact that they were like, no, I heard. Saw people in there saying, like, oh, no, the cops pulled him over because of the suicide call. That did not. That's not the way.

[D]

That's. That's not what. That's not what Dallas PD said. No, they said they were conducting a traffic stop. Not welfare check. Yeah, they went to his house for the welfare check. So he was probably speeding.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[D]

And I speed, you know, it's just sad. It's sad whenever these. These fantastic humans, whether he be a. A Miami police officer or a professional athlete that have so much going for him get taken away from us. And the world is a lesser place without them.

[B]

I'm gonna stay in the reflection because I got a great one.

[D]

Oh, hey, yeah, sure.

[B]

Tyler took on the vfw.

[A]

That'll take. That'll take a minute. Oh, man.

[B]

You want to do the go for me first?

[A]

Is canine ready? Let's do. Can bring canine, and we got some sports stuff.

[B]

Breaking news.

[A]

Canine's a busy dude. He's in. So we're gonna bring him in and talk a couple sports related things that are obviously, you know, good things to cover. So G can hear us, yo.

[E]

Yeah, I can hear. You can hear.

[B]

At least he's got a car because he could drive. You know, he can come to the studio once if you want. Yeah, he can come here, man. The guy wants to be a world famous podcaster and he's never shown. He's never shown the initiative. Oh, he did come here. Once he got into the network, they never came back. All right, I can give you directions if you want to come over here.

[A]

There's three things that we want to talk about. I know I talked to you about the two pitchers being charged in Antonio Brown, and There's also the ESPN YouTube fight that apparently Is. Is, you know, Jimmy's tracking it. I was never tracking, but it's, you know, Pat.

[D]

Pat McAfee.

[A]

McAfee covers it a lot.

[D]

And J.J. watt.

[A]

So if you get, you know, just touch on those three things, I know that you'll. You'll probably go into death on some of them. Tonight at seven.

[B]

But.

[E]

Yeah, so tonight at seven. Every Monday, we go live. Seven p.m. eastern. Counterculture sports. Get on it. I'm currently in somebody's yard right now doing some irrigation work. So I'm a little, you know, I'm a blue collar, Blue collar fella out here, so. Oh, there's somebody walking by. And so, yeah, so I'm making it work. You know, I got the camo hat on. I swear, if you wear a camo hat, people trust you more. If I just come up with the fade, the people don't want you in the yard. You put the camo hat on, everybody trusts you.

[A]

Do people think you're Mexican?

[E]

You think I'm Mexican? So, yeah, I guess so. You don't believe I'm Mike's cousin.

[A]

All right, so the thumbnail that I made. And I'm very proud of the two pictures that played for the Guardians. The Cleveland Guardians, we touched on this.

[B]

A little while ago. Now more pictures are coming out.

[A]

What is the deal? What happened?

[E]

So it's Luis Ortiz and it's Emmanuel Aclaze. What these guys were doing, the relief pitchers, what they were doing is they were coming into the game and intentionally throwing a ball. So a ball, for people that don't know baseball is a bad pitch. So it's not a strike, it's a ball. So what these. They were tipping the bettors and the betters were persuading them to do this. They were working together. And the betters would place bets, you know, saying that their first pitch would be a ball. You can actually bet on what their first pitch is going to be when they appear in the game. So you can bet on if it's going to be a strike or a ball. So these guys knew that they were going to throw a ball. Some of them were so bad. I mean, the one closet, he was terrible at hiding it.

[B]

I mean, he'd throw it straight, like 20ft. Yeah, 20ft short of home plate. And they were. And of course, in today's technology, everything is tracked. So every bet is tracked. And they just put it in the system and go.

[A]

It's lagged.

[B]

This dude's last 27 appearances, the first pitch has been a ball in like 20 games.

[A]

Is that how the FBI gets involved because of, like, AI and stuff, automated systems.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Well, it. It triggers when these guys go on these betting websites and they're betting hundreds of thousands of dollars out of nowhere that the first pitch is going to be a ball. Be a ball. It gets on their system, like, hey, we're getting an unusual amount of bets on something pretty random. They're gonna investigate it. So that's how they've caught most of these guys, doing things like this. They're tracing this back to 2023. So this isn't something that just started happening. They are now tracing it back to 2023 with these two guys. Ortiz is now in custody. Clause is still. Clause still on the run right now.

[B]

But one's arrested in Brooklyn. I think they indicted him in Brooklyn. One's arrested, one's on the run.

[A]

Wait, so he's got a warrant?

[B]

Like, yeah, he's got. He's got a federal indictment.

[D]

Yes.

[E]

They haven't got Clause yet, but Ortiz is in custody. I think it was the Boston airport where they picked him up. I could be wrong.

[A]

Oh, man, that's like something out of a movie, dude.

[D]

Yeah, this is gonna be a.

[B]

This just begins it like. So we had the basketball last week, which was basketball. Shaving points. Shaving points is going back 10, 15 years. I remember there were college guys and pro guys. Now you have baseball pitchers.

[A]

This.

[B]

Anytime humans are involved in anything, I would say we used to watch highlight. Highlight was popular. You could bet on the dudes slinging the ball against the wall. There's no way they're not throwing these games. Horses. The jockey can pull the horse back forward. Anything involving humans is going to have organized crime.

[A]

And I mean, look at. I mean, I know you guys watched it. Everybody watched it. The Mike Tyson versus Logan Paul fight.

[B]

That's a joke.

[A]

We skimmed over that. And I don't know if maybe. Because maybe money wasn't involved and it was like a culture thing where like, hey, Tyson, you gotta lose so you can retire. And he was like, I don't want to fight anymore. Let Jake Paul or Logan Paul, whoever it is, take me out. Like, but that. I mean, we watched that and everybody was like, this is. Because. Also, was it Logan or Jake Paul?

[D]

I think it was.

[A]

It was Jake Paul. Jake obviously held back a lot. There was Tyson held back. Mike Tyson held back a lot.

[B]

There were times you saw Tyson go to old school and get ready to fire that right hook, and he just.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, and. And by the way, since we're talking about fighting. And I know, you know, this canine. Like, the UFC's involved in this crap, too.

[B]

That's coming out now, too.

[A]

But.

[D]

But Dana White is already ahead of it.

[A]

He's saying that he. He challenged that guy, and he said. The guy said, absolutely not. No way.

[D]

And as soon as they saw the first round, they were like. They went and contacted the FBI.

[B]

Yes, there's been questionable stoppages in the.

[A]

Ufc, but it's going on for generations.

[B]

It's been. Yes. You can't. Well, I mean, go back to Sonny Liston. Sonny Liston loses to Ali on a phantom punch.

[D]

Oh, no.

[B]

Is it. The phantom punch was Ellie. Yeah. Sonny Liston goes down on a phantom jab that you still can't see where he hit him, and he just goes down. Supposedly in debt to the mob. Had to throw the fight. You're talking back then. No technology, no AI, no tracking, no phones, no cell phone. These guys been doing this for so.

[D]

I mean, forever. Michael Francis was talking about this for a while. Remember, he's a. He was a mob guy for a while for, like, 27 years. I mean, grew up in the mob. His dad was Sonny Francis, who got put away by Giuliani. And, I mean, like, this stuff has been going on forever, so it's still.

[B]

Going to go on.

[D]

And Lakota Nostra is still involved in this crap.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a mess.

[A]

How about. What about Antonio Brown? Is there any updates that. We haven't even covered it since it came out, but that guy's a lunatic.

[E]

Yeah. So, speaking of shady people, let's bring up Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown was just indicted from Dubai. They brought him to New Jersey. He's going to be coming to Miami. He's facing an attempted murder charge. Now, this happened six months ago. Right after it happened, he went to Dubai, and he was on Instagram bragging that he's in Dubai and he's not going to get in trouble. So according to Antonio Brown, allegedly there was, I think, a group of three, four guys jumping them at this celebrity boxing match that Adam Ross was hosting. And they were trying to steal his chain, trying to take his money, trying to take his wallet. Well, apparently, Antonio Brown allegedly grabbed the security guard's gun, chased the men down, shot one of them, and grazed him in the neck. So the guy's still living. That's why it's an attempted murder and Antonio Brown's just a nut case. I mean, I think we all know that.

[A]

That's. That's.

[E]

Yeah, but he's claiming itself.

[D]

He is Claiming self defense canine. He hasn't been the same since that perfect hit 100.

[E]

And it's. It's sad to see. I actually covered this when it happened six months ago.

[B]

You got ct. He's got bad ct. That's why he.

[A]

Was like jerking off in a pool.

[B]

Yeah, he's nuts. But I think he gave us one of the coolest videos ever when he quit right in the middle of the game and just ramp.

[D]

Isn't that a Jets game?

[B]

He ran off. Yeah, he's a Tampa. In the jets game. He just ran off the field, took all this off and just quit. Never came back.

[E]

That clip.

[B]

And then the clip of when he.

[E]

Was returning the punt on the Steelers and he jumped over the punter.

[A]

I mean, that's.

[E]

Yeah, that's classic.

[B]

But he's got brain damage. He's obviously been hit too many times in his head and.

[D]

Oh, yeah, well, remember with CTE and people don't know this, it's not everybody's different. And it's not just, oh, you, you took too many repeated hits. It's you could. You could. You and me could take the exact same hit in the exact same place and have a completely different effect. He got hit by Vontez. Perfect. And oh, is he gone?

[B]

He must have lost him.

[D]

We must have lost him. He got hit by bonus.

[A]

Yeah, you can remove him from the stage if he comes back.

[D]

And I mean it. I mean, he was done.

[B]

Yeah. These guys and I mean, you think of like wwe, that's. It's fake. Wrestling was fake. Those guys were getting their melons.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That's why I went off the deep end. Steroids. Andre the Giant, all those guys, they were just taken.

[A]

So if he comes back, we'll do the ESPN stuff.

[D]

Hey, Clint. Clint's got a story for us about.

[A]

We'll get Clint in about Dale Jr. Okay. I like it.

[B]

You know, it's funny. Is somebody comment on that picture that Jimmy looked like he's about to tell everybody. And I pull in and what's Jimmy's hat on his dashboard?

[A]

Oh, he's got earned to Dale Earnhardt.

[D]

I got a Dale Earnhardt, number eight.

[B]

Number three. Number three in the front.

[A]

I saw three in the front, eight in the back.

[B]

Canine's back.

[A]

All right, bring it back up.

[B]

Mosquito must have landed on your connection, man.

[A]

And there you go.

[B]

We'll get to him next week. He can drive next time. He can drive next time.

[A]

So let's go back to reflections. The one thing I want to talk about. Well, I mean, it kind of. Jerry Worms is real. Is actually. I swear to God, our reels will hit.

[B]

Bring it. We're done.

[A]

Bring them in. Bring them in. We'll at least say bye. Bye. What happened?

[D]

And now we know.

[A]

Well, that might be on us. Is that on us, Lewis? Hello? No.

[D]

No, it's not on us. Come on, K9, don't be that.

[A]

We'll see you Monday. Can't hear you.

[B]

Good.

[A]

All right, we'll. I'll pop in tonight at 7. All right, so Jerry's real. Got a lot of good feedback. Surprise. And then it hit the negative algorithm like yesterday. And now it's all the police brutality comments.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

But that one, I thought that would be definitely down the middle, but it was very. So much in support of Modern policing sucks.

[B]

I. You know, the people that don't like cops are always in the same stance. They never change. But then you have the people that even Jason, that we had on, he was like, if I run away, I deserve to get my. I just get tackled and drugged back to jail. Like he. And he's a criminal. He's a top tier criminal. So it's like, that's the difference. And then the other thing that used to drive me crazy, two things about, like, I had a friend that I didn't know. I didn't know Jersey was a Democrat cesspool growing up because I didn't know politics. Now I know, like, where I grew up, he, like, hates Trump. And I don't care what you think about him, but he just like him. And I'm like, how can you hate a guy that you're. You would. You would say the same. You act the same way, but you don't like the guy. And it has the same to do with. I don't know what I was saying.

[A]

Who doesn't like Trump?

[B]

My buddy. And it's. But, oh, the people. But then the people that are. You'll watch a video of somebody and we're back. Here we go. We'll watch a video of somebody doing something stupid. And all the comments will be that.

[C]

The guy deserves his ass.

[B]

Like the pedophile. He gets his ass whooped if he's certain crimes. Society's like, kill him on the spot. But then, you know, traffic cocaine or like punching the company. And it's like, oh, wow, what did he do? He's innocent until proven guilty. And it's like, you can't have it both.

[A]

You know what's a fun conundrum too, I love to talk about is so I'm Driving my kid to school. We're about to hit the 15 mile an hour. You know, I live like a couple blocks away from school and, you know, as soon as I pull out on the main road, within about a half a mile, we hit the school. Fifteen, you know, need to be going 15 miles an hour. Sometimes there's a cop running radar there. And as we're coming, the car coming at us is flashing their lights. And my son's like, what's he doing that for him? Like, there's gonna be a cop up there running radar. And then there's somebody on a bicycle on the sidewalk going, slow down, slow down. And I'm going 10. And I'm like, why does he tell me to slow down? He goes, there's a cop. It's like, okay. And I, I laughed. And he was sitting there running radar. And I'm like, all these vanilla ass suburban sitting there warning about the evil, evil cop running radar are the first ones to sit there and say, why are people speeding?

[B]

Yeah, they got the cones in front of the house with a little kit with the flag.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And.

[D]

And the first ones to call the cops.

[A]

Yeah, so. And it's always funny too, because when I used to do stuff like that, I never ran radar, but I would do traffic stops for like, people running stop signs. And neighborhoods will pay cops off duty or overtime. Illegal and unconstitutional.

[B]

Unconstitutional.

[A]

And you pull them over and they'd be like, you don't pull me over. I'm not the problem.

[B]

Like, oh, that's my other favorite.

[A]

You called me.

[B]

That's my other favorite one. When you arrest the caller. Yeah, well, I called you. Yeah, you have like three warrants or you punched your, you know, you punched your neighbor in the face. Sorry, you. I'm glad you called us, but you committed all the crimes.

[A]

So everybody, law enforcement is going to have. Everybody's going to have their subjective opinion about how law enforcement should be done. That's why we unfortunately have to leave it up.

[B]

That's what the real for. That's what the real's for.

[A]

Oh, to get everybody's opinion. Yeah, let us know.

[B]

You have to have negative Jerry still after talk. We talked to him last week on the show. He still gets fired up. He's new to social media, so he's like, these people don't agree with me.

[A]

Bro.

[B]

We need those people. We need all those people to come. So it's like, we're not here to argue. We're here to bring the awareness out. And then everybody else argue. So you can't get. You're the. You're the subject of the real. Jerry. We're on your side. You can't get bent out.

[D]

I mean, we. We arguing here. The three of us don't agree on.

[A]

I mean, dude, I know we. We put up reels that I know people are itching to be negative on, but you just can't because it's like a memorial or a gofundme. But like, dude, anything outside of like that dude just. There's just straight hate.

[D]

I. I mean, like, I can. I can understand hate if like, hey, you know, like, like the China thing where, like, ah, the editing. Like, I can see where you're coming from.

[A]

Like, I don't get that hate. That hate was insane for like, just. People were so mad that we talked about it.

[D]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[A]

You trust the Internet so much to where if two, three knuckleheads were sitting there talking about China shooting down American aircraft with lasers and you believed it and then you felt bamboozled. Sorry, bud.

[D]

Especially right when we. The first thing we said was like, hey, put on your tinfoil hats, boys. Here we go. But like, I. I can't understand where people are. Like, when we're like, clearly, you can see it in our face. You can hear it in our voice. Like, man, this sucks. This is terrible. And people are like, you guys sucking.

[A]

Hold on.

[D]

Wait.

[A]

Is canine being attacked?

[B]

No, he's just walking around hoping we bring him back in. Just remove.

[D]

Is he under attack?

[B]

Remove.

[A]

Just pull them up once. We gotta get his audio. What's going on?

[D]

Hey.

[E]

I don't know what happened. I came back, y' all sounded like Mickey Mouse. It just sound like a bunch of mice. I don't know what happened.

[A]

Speaking of Mickey mouse, last subject, ESPN versus YouTube and the fight for the NFL to be watched by the free American people.

[E]

This is huge, not only for football, but for all little kids across the nation. My son was devastated when YouTube TV lost Disney Channel. He can no longer watch. Spidey and his amazing friends broke down crying. I broke down crying because they took away the NFL or they took away ESPN and abc. So that was heartbreaking as well. It's a dispute between Disney and Google. Disney owns ABC, they own ESPN. Google owns YouTube TV. Now Disney wants more money from YouTube for their channels so they can broadcast them. YouTube is saying that they would have to charge their subscribers more monthly and that it's not fair to the users. Disney is reportedly losing $5 million a day from this.

[A]

They're already losing money Every day on top of their liberal agenda. But even just the media side of it, I didn't know they were losing that much.

[E]

Yeah, every, every single day they're losing that much. Because it's not just espn, it's abc, it's Disney Channel, Disney Junior, all those channels, you know, and ABC is a local, you know, national channel. So that's another big one obviously that.

[A]

You used to be able to stream Disney owned property on YouTube TV. That was like a contract they had with each other. Yes. And then it didn't renew. So that way, you know, because they couldn't agree on the terms and now everybody's out and we were watching Pat McAfee and they're like, dude, you know, like everybody's just trying to watch a football game and you got all these money, honey money, honey money hungry money. Just billion dollar corporations and the average blue collar guy is just trying to watch a football game and he can't, he can't even now, even though he paid for it.

[E]

It's a shame, honestly. They're losing thousands, maybe millions of people a day. I actually just left my grandpa's house shout out Pap. I had to go there and switch him back to Sling TV because he's more of a college football guy. So ESPN is more college football. So now he's back on Sling. So they just lost Pap. You know, they're missing out on pap watching YouTube TV.

[B]

Now I have Hulu and I hate it because it, it interrupts all the time. It rebuffers. Hulu is terrible. And I was, I'm glad we're talking about this because I didn't even know what's going on. And I was going to switch to YouTube TV because I have the package some NFL ticket YouTube streams, doesn't interrupt. YouTube is smooth. Hulu sucks, interrupts, resets every five minutes online. I hate it.

[D]

You. I, I every, when the Bucks play, I go ahead and play the Pirates of the Caribbean theme. I'm a pirate. I'm pirate in that. Yeah, I'm Jack Sparrow.

[A]

The crazy thing is people even that can afford it or want to pay are having trouble. You know, like, and that's, that's where.

[D]

It started is I was paying for NFL Sunday ticket. I was paying for all this. And I'm like, it doesn't work. I'm wasting money.

[B]

This.

[D]

I'm just gonna go Back to the.

[B]

Pirate9 subscription Five subscriptions now to watch every game. In order to watch every football game this season, you have to have like, I Think it was over a thousand dollars. It's like almost like the package is 400. Then you have to have Peacock. You have to have the NFL Network. You have to have Paramount, Amazon. Amazon. You have to have like all these. We are. We talk about the people that buy the big jacked up truck. We're just buying it over and over. We're just paying less money. All this stuff.

[A]

Do you think that. Lost my train of thought.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[D]

So, I mean, like, remember when we were like, oh, it's the cable networks. The cable networks are evil. We got to pay a 100 bucks a month to be able to watch all the NFL games. We're doing way worse than that now.

[A]

Yep. Do you think that the NFL just needs to just pick up one provider? I mean, because of the problem is the WWE does the same. Every time I turn on TV, there's a new deal with the WWE. They're on Peacock, they're on Netflix, they're on YouTube. Right. Like so. But at least with that, you can just get it all in one. The NFL's like it. We got a lot of real estate. Let's just start sending it out everywhere.

[B]

They'll claim Monopoly if you try to get one network. So that's why, you know. Yeah. For years the NFC was on Fox. The AFC was on cbs. Now it's switched. The Bears, Giants game was on CBS yesterday. It's like everything has gone backwards to. It just. It's.

[A]

We're the.

[B]

We're the. We're the morons. I mean, that's the bottom line.

[A]

We are stupid consumers.

[B]

We are stupid that those people make billions and billions of dollars and we're over here arguing about it when they're just going to keep making money.

[A]

We're gonna pay for it.

[B]

Whatever it takes Sunday, we're gonna do it.

[D]

I can't even watch a Buccaneers game because I live.

[B]

Yeah, you're blocked out.

[D]

I'm blacked out. Even though I'm paying for it. I can't watch my Bucks play because they're playing at home.

[B]

Got a honey bun over there, man.

[A]

Are you eating?

[D]

I'm starving.

[B]

It's got a jail honey, but did.

[A]

You not eat your chicken nuggies this morning?

[D]

I didn't eat my chicken nuggets this morning.

[A]

I show up. All right, canine, seven o'. Clock. Seven o' clock. Tonight, Counterculture Ink Sports Live. Counterculture Network.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Breaking it down, all the topics, all the games. We just bring the drama, but he actually brings the information. Information. Thanks for joining us.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Also follow me on Instagram @k9_Florida.

[A]

Never. Stop that. All right.

[D]

I didn't get my chicken.

[B]

Move them all the way.

[D]

You were joking me about the chicken nuggies?

[A]

Yeah. I thought you said you ate chicken nuggies this morning.

[D]

No, I have brought them.

[A]

I didn't. Oh, I brought them. I show up to this morning, there's a bottle of ketchup room temperature in the cab. I show up this morning. Apparently what happened was this crazy little gnome runs in here. He's got a key. When I'm not here, everything up. And then he locks it up and leaves.

[B]

I think he's sitting right there. I think he's sitting right there.

[A]

Tyler.

[B]

I tried to re. Pipe the. All the pipes and rewire the building. I got three bays done. I'm two down. I'm sorry, the lights aren't working, but I'm here. No why we're on that topic.

[A]

I tried making ramen and everything.

[D]

Turn on the microwave.

[B]

And us blowing money. Everybody likes Trump, right? We're all huge fans of Trump. Jimmy needs free health care.

[A]

He needs that for that black lung. He.

[B]

He pro. He.

[D]

You guys are gonna feel real bad.

[A]

When you come to my funeral.

[B]

He tweeted today about a 50, 50 year mortgage.

[A]

Now is that good or bad?

[E]

Bad.

[A]

That's bad.

[B]

So he tweeted that we're gonna go to 50 year mortgage. So essentially, you look at your mortgage right now.

[A]

No one will ever own their house.

[B]

Right now. You're barely going to own it. If you do, you're paying almost double for whatever you loaned. Whatever your loan is, let's say your $400,000, you're paying back like 750, 800,000, depending on your almost double. They did the math. If you have a 50 year mortgage for about 300amonth cheaper, you're gonna pay $1.1 million for your home over that 50 years and you'll never own it because most people don't live to be that old anyway.

[A]

Or they sell it.

[D]

Mike, that. That's, that's where it is today. You know that that is just a, A, A symptom of the bubble about the. Who controls.

[A]

Is that.

[B]

Who controls the banks?

[A]

Is that a band aid? Is Trump trying to help?

[D]

No, no, no.

[B]

I'm, I'm a Trump fan. But this is. Who owns the banks?

[D]

The Federal Reserve.

[B]

Well, who, who, who controls the money?

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

No.

[D]

There was a specific painter.

[B]

There's some people that control the banks and they control the money. You buy a house. This is the American. This goes back to my constitution and all that. The Forest fathers didn't plan this. You get a mortgage and you owe the bank double. It's loan sharking.

[D]

Can I, can I, can I do something?

[B]

Sharky?

[A]

Hang on.

[B]

You know it's illegal, right? Hold on one second, one second. I bought. If I, if you come to me and I say you, you need a thousand dollars. If I charge you more than 20, like let's say, okay, that's racketeering Friday, you owe me 1/5, 1 500.

[A]

You're.

[B]

You're like a pawn shop. You're in trouble. You need to pay your light bill, you need to pay the mortgage, you need to pay your bookie. They're going to shoot you. I jack up the rate to some astronomical number. I'll give you a thousand today. Like the hamburger. What was his name? Wimbley. Who's on there? Okay. Anyway, that's illegal.

[D]

Yeah, it's racketeering.

[B]

Go to the bank and they say, hey, we're gonna let you buy.

[A]

They call it apr.

[B]

Yeah, we're gonna let you buy this house for 300 grand. You're gonna give us back 800 grand. But, but over 30 years. So it's, it's fine.

[A]

So I'm gonna.

[B]

Who controls the banks?

[D]

I'm gonna tell you a story. I'm gonna tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a parable. Okay. There was once a man who traveled to 179 different countries. 179 different countries. And in every one of those 179 different countries, he went into a specific.

[A]

I don't think, I don't think we're going to tell that story.

[B]

I'm ready.

[A]

No, let liquor flow in the other studio.

[B]

So food 50 or 50. 50 year mortgage versus 30. The math was on the screen. You're going to pay back almost double your mortgage. You're going to owe the bank for 50 years. You're to the point now where we talk about capitalism and all that. You're almost to the point, like socialism, where the banks and the government controls you. You don't ever own that.

[A]

Well, so we talked the other night about owning a car. And now the car, it's not. It literally depreciates as soon as you drive it off, was, you know, the benefits of leasing a car. You get a brand new car every couple years.

[B]

You know what else they're doing with the leasing now is they're giving you free service. The whole lifetime of the Lease. So I like, I have a 12 month, I'm sorry, 36 month lease. Factor in that you don't pay the taxes up front, you don't pay a huge down payment. You can walk out with just a lease payment. Yes, they own the car, but it's their car. All my oil changes and everything is covered the whole three years I have the car.

[A]

I just don't understand because then when I, I don't understand why people buy it.

[B]

Are you gonna have a car the rest of your life?

[A]

No, but what I'm saying is then they just. It's the perfect business model. Then some stubborn Joe Schmo that doesn't believe in leasing is going to go buy that car in three years when they, when you don't want to re up. They're going to be like, we have a mil. We have three years worth of new BMWs. They're going to sell it probably at the highest price they can. Some guys go, bro, I just got a BMW M4. It's only three years old. It's only got 86, 000 on it. And they're going to pay, and they're.

[B]

Going to pay more than what your payoff is. So like my pay, let's say my payoff is 18 grand in three years for whatever car I have.

[D]

That's the payoff.

[B]

But the market value is 22, 23. So they're gonna go, hey, new guy, just joined the army guy, you need a car, here's your car. 23, 000. So I've already paid for the car, half of it.

[D]

15.

[B]

Now they're reselling it and they're making more. And then they're getting 6.9, 7.7 APR. So my point is when I'm ready to like wither and die and I don't. I know I'm not driving Orlando every day. I can see like, okay, I'll have this car now for the next 20. I'm not gonna, I'm not cool anymore. I'm old. I'm driving to maybe my doctor's appointments and all this stuff. You know, the. I'm 90 and I'm pulling, that's fine. But for right now, kind of like, you know, it's a couple hundred dollars a month. You have a new car every three years.

[A]

How many times do you get to feel that new car smell when you buy? I've only, I've only had two new cars my entire life. That's it. And they both lasted eight years until I was done paying off Loans and I went and got a newer. So I had a Dodge Ram that I bought and it wasn't even brand new. It was basic training. I bought it when I came home and then. But it was kind of like new. It was like two or three years old. And then I bought my only one time in my life I bought a brand new dodge ram in 2016 when I was in the police academy.

[B]

Well, here's where they can same one.

[A]

But if you lease them, you get that feeling.

[B]

Here's where they control you. This is where like people think, oh, credit doesn't matter. Credit score doesn't matter. Well it does because when you walk in there, like I said, let's say I'm a 600 credit score. And they're like, there's your rate. And you're like, no, I don't like that rate. They're like, okay, go somewhere else. Everybody's going to charge you 9.9 interest on that loan. So you have to buy that three year old car for X amount of dollars and all that interest when you walk in with let's say a 790800 and you're like, I can get any car in here. And now I'm a tier one credit there. That was a plug. Tier one credit for whatever. Now that person has so much leeway in what they can get, so they'll, they'll concede to the tier one pro. We're gonna give you this car, barely make any money off it because Joe Dick's walking in right after you with a 490 credit score. He's gonna pick 21 interest on a 87 Corolla and we're gonna make all. So it's. And they get incentives based on numbers to get the cars out the door. So all the time they'll go, take it. We'll make $1 off that car because three more. I'm gonna walk in after you with a terrible credit score.

[A]

3,000 on that.

[B]

More than that. More than that. They're gonna make that mortgage. 50 year mortgage rate on somebody who's paying. So it's all another game. And it's, it's, it's who controls it? Okay, the bank.

[A]

The bank. The bank.

[D]

The bank controls that number.

[B]

The bank controls it. You can walk in with the best credit in the world and they'll go, sorry, the credit rate is 1.9. That's the bed you're getting. Or 3.7. You're like, yeah, but I have the best credit.

[D]

Unless you're JoJo.

[B]

No. So so the. You can have all that credit and the bank still tells you yes or no. We're gonna. It doesn't matter how great you did in your life. You have.

[A]

Do you think that people should, like, rent? Oh, no, rent's too expensive. Rent? No, no, no, no. Rent like houses.

[B]

We're to that point. Like it. We're at that point in the country where it's all up. The numbers are just crazy.

[A]

I mean, because I don't right now. I don't see. I don't see any benefit to. I don't in real time see it. Right. So I own. I do pay significantly less per month than a rent would be, but I still have to pay taxes on it because I'm not at 100 disabled, and I still have to pay how? Insurance.

[D]

Sorry.

[A]

Are you all right? No. Oh. Oh. And then on top of that, you know, you have to pay for your roof. You know, the water heater, the ac.

[B]

That was kind of like leasing, Renting, leasing a car. Renting, leasing. You don't have to worry. The hot water heater breaks. You're like, hey, bro. Yeah, your shit's jacked.

[A]

Your house.

[B]

Yeah, hey, bro, you're. You're this.

[A]

And, like, right now, I'm not seeing a difference.

[B]

Well, it's actually cheaper to rent right now. It's close, but I think it would be. Well, no, but I got in. I got lucky. I have a 2.75 interest rate on my mortgage.

[A]

I get it too, right before the ship.

[B]

I got it right before the VA loan, whatever. But right now, you know, 6, 7 interest. Utilities are up, gas is up. Everything's up.

[A]

You know, you just got to hit the Powerball, man.

[B]

I scratch every day.

[D]

So if we were.

[B]

But I. That goes into the frustration now. You have the snap benefit issue of the government shut down. You have all those things that are stressing people out and then their own problems where it's like, I can't walk in and buy a car now. How do I get to work? I can't walk. I can't go get a new place. How do I then all your landlord. But the problem with the landlord is, is he goes, I know this dude can't buy a house. I know he's got problems. Oh, guess what, man? We're gonna raise your rent. 300 bucks.

[A]

That's.

[B]

That's now what he do, dude.

[D]

I'm dealing with that. Yeah, I have a. I have a good landlord. A good landlord. I mean, he's. He's Russian, but he's a Good landlord out there in Largo, owns the house. And like, I know he's raised. He's raising my rent. I know he's raising my rent. I knew he was going to. But guess what? When I was written an apartment, they were raising my rent, too, every year.

[A]

That's true.

[D]

And so, like, I already know that that's going to happen, and there's nothing I can do about it. And I'm getting to the point now where I'm going to have to move out into the middle of nowhere to afford a decent place to live for my kids.

[B]

So Bob says you can sell your house and get your money back. Now, you're not seeing it. That's true. But you, you upfront paid title fee. This fee, this fee. So you're the $430,000 house when you got the loan.

[A]

If.

[B]

Unless you have all that cash up front. Now there's a 450, 460,000. So you're negative equity already.

[D]

Or you can move to Bali, Mike.

[A]

Yeah, well, you can.

[B]

So your negative equity. So now you've mortgaged. Let's say your initial house price was four. Now you mortgage 450. You're on the hook for 450 over 30 years. What if the housing market is not doing well? What if your house is now negative, like in 2009, where your $500,000 house is worth 200. So what. How do you sell it short sell it. And even if you can, let's say me, I'm gonna sell my house, I got $200,000 equity in my house. Well, I have a 2.75 interest rate, really good price. Now I'm going to go buy a house. Less house that costs more money, and my interest rate's higher. So where's the. How does that math. That doesn't matter now I'm gonna be in a smaller house. My mortgage rate is going to be higher.

[A]

But if you sold, if you. So if you went and you're like, I'm gonna move and would you keep your house to rent out?

[B]

That's what I say. Because of my circumstances. Yes, that I'm in the position to do that. Where I would just. I know that I can rent my house for probably a thousand dollars more than my mortgage is.

[D]

So we just buy land and create the antique.

[B]

I mean, I'm in good there, but not. I'm not saying this to be conceited or anything, but not everybody's in that position where their house is worth enough to go. I can sell, I can Rent this and then go buy another. Because what do you have to have, you have to have credit. I have a, I have a mortgage for a couple hundred grand. So now I have to go to the bank and go, I need another mortgage. Like, whoa, let's see the numbers. Let me see if we can give you another mortgage. So it's like you have to factor all that in. You can't just go do it.

[A]

Yeah, most people aren't in the position to do anything like that. That's advantageous.

[B]

Most people living paycheck to paycheck, I.

[D]

Mean most of us are just trying.

[A]

To, I say most of us, I'd say probably 90 of the population is paycheck to paycheck. And I don't count, I don't count being able to save. It's in retirement. That's not, that's still paycheck to paycheck. If you're taking some out for retirement and a little bit out for savings.

[B]

You'Re not paycheck to pay. You're doing well.

[A]

I, I still think that's considered paycheck to pay. The American dream is to be able to make a lot of money fast.

[B]

And dude, wow, if you're putting money away, you're doing better than most.

[D]

The system, the system that we have, it's not, it's not a drawback, it's a feature. This is, it's, it's doing exactly what it was designed to do.

[B]

What happens if your money, if you make money in the market, what they do, they tax it.

[A]

I'm done, I'm done.

[D]

Yeah, we got, oh well we got.

[A]

To talk about stimulus checks. Is this true?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Are they considered stimulus checks?

[B]

Trump said that he is going to take the profit from the tariffs and put. He didn't give the exact numbers yet. He's going to take the tariff money profits and give alm. He said all Americans first two thousand dollar checks but then at the end said higher salaried Americans won't get them, didn't give a number. So he's going to determine, somebody's going to say this is what your cut off is, you're higher salaried or not. And his tweet was, or his true social post was he's going to take the money they made and reinvest.

[A]

Wouldn't it be easier just to come tax time, give everybody the credit?

[D]

That's probably what it's going to end up being.

[A]

Everybody. Two thousand dollar checks, I don't know, give it everybody.

[B]

What do you do it to $2,000. Spend it.

[D]

I mean, no.

[A]

I mean, you either get it add on to your refund, or you use it to pay off your taxes.

[B]

Right now. Get it out now. I just feel people spend it right away.

[A]

Millions of dollars right before Christmas.

[B]

People are gonna spend it right away.

[A]

Oh, so they're trying to boost you. I don't understand money.

[B]

They want you to. So if you got it back in April, whatever. Yes, you have that time to think. But if you give. If. If your average American gets a check in the mail for two grand, that money's gone by Friday, dude.

[D]

So here. Here's. There's actually historical precedent for this all the way back to Athens. Like Spartans and Athenians fighting the Persians. 300.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So basically what he's trying to do is, is they keep talking about, oh, we're going to prime the pump. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna increase spending because they know that they're gonna get. They're gonna take it in the teeth at Christmas time because of everything else. So they're trying to do something because if. If Christmas sales are down significantly in Black Friday and all that, dude, like, the economy next year is going to be terrible. It's gonna. And it. One leads into the next leads into the next. Now, I'm not an economic expertise. I listen to them. I listen to them, and I. And I. I hear what they're saying. And these are people that don't have a dog in the fight. They're just going, like, hey, dude, like, the math. Don't. Math.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So, you know, honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you. Like, I don't even want to talk about this because it's depressing. Like, because I got three kids, and I'm not even sure, like, how I can keep going.

[B]

So.

[A]

Wait, hold on. Let's rephrase that out of context. That statement.

[D]

Oh, oh, okay. I. I got three kids. I'm not sure how I'm gonna be able to keep them in nice clothes and keep them going to school and, you know, be able to do the things that we need to do or even just want to do. I mean, it's like, hey, what are we doing this weekend? We're sitting in the house playing Space Marine, too. Shiloh. That's what we're doing.

[A]

I mean, but. And it sucks, but, I mean, my wife tells me all the time when, like, when I feel bad, like, we're not eating like kings or, like, we're not going and doing all these things, like, we still Try to do stuff as a family. But she reminds me, like, hey, dude, there's that. That was us growing up. That's kids all over the place.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Go spend thousands of dollars every week because you want, like I want to do that. And that's right. As soon as I get the cash to do that, do you know, you.

[D]

Know where my money goes? As soon as I get it, I don't spend it on me. I give money. I'm like, oh, baby, you need a pedicure.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah. You know, may, May, do you need this? And Shiloh, do you need this? Oh, my six year old needs this. And like I, I spend money on my family, I spend money on my kids. Like I want them to have a good time. I, I hardly ever spend money on me anymore.

[A]

Well, I want to know what everybody spends their stimulus check on when this comes in.

[D]

Oh, yeah, the stimmy check.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Mine's going to the bank. Interesting. We said that the government would be back open right after those midterms. Right.

[A]

So we're close, but we're close.

[B]

Eight Democrats. Now there's a Democrat civil war going on because eight Democrats have crossed over and said they're going to vote to reopen the government. But now the Democrats are filibustering because they're upset now in their own place.

[A]

So we're not open.

[B]

We're not open yet. There's a, there's a vote there and eight Democrats.

[D]

They're after Chuck Schumer now.

[B]

Yeah, eight Democrats. And you know who I like? And he's a Democrat, but I like his Fetterman from Pennsylvania.

[D]

I don't think he's anything. I think he's a. I think he's just.

[B]

I like her. I like him. He wears like sweatpants.

[D]

I mean, like, I'm pretty sure he's.

[A]

Oh, that's the mentally old guy. The biggest.

[D]

He's out there with Aaron Rodgers. He's going on a spiritual journey.

[B]

Look at this. He, he is one of the ones leading the charge to say let's open the government back up. And like he brought like eight people over. That'll give him enough votes. But now the Democrats are filler bustering to try to stop the vote from even happening. So you guys are. We're all being controlled by this nonsense. It's nothing about getting the government open. It's not that important. But that's what's going on. We're not back open yet, but do.

[A]

You think we'll be in my Thursday?

[D]

I don't I don't.

[B]

Yeah, I think we will. They can only fill the bus for so long and I think now Trump having enough Democrats on board, he can even call for the nuclear option, which is just straight up majority, but he's got the votes to get there. But the Dems are trying to filibuster.

[D]

I, I think that I, I think this is just going to keep on going. I think it, I think that the longer this goes on, the more it helps the Democrats. They have no incentive to change.

[A]

It hurts them, it helps them.

[B]

And only this will only fund the government till January 31.

[D]

That's the, that's the thing. And all it does is get us to January.

[B]

Yeah, they got to get through. They got to get, they're not going to let us go through Christmas shutdown. They're not, they're not going to do it. Travel, travel season flights you were seeing pictures from.

[A]

Well, do you think they're holding the society hostage? Like, we'll go into, we'll go into another depression if they keep this going. Especially if you're saying the holidays are that much detrimental to the economy. They are. And they want to hold society hostage by saying, we're not gonna let you do it.

[D]

So let me, let me put it.

[A]

Like Daddy Trump sending us 2 grand.

[D]

Like there the biggest thing like, so I did merchant service processing for the, processing for those that don't know. That's, that's how I know.

[A]

I heard you pitching it to the bartender. Vfw.

[D]

Oh, yeah. And I'm actually pretty good at it. Like, I actually know how it works and I understand how, how companies that do it take advantage of you and you don't even know it. You never even see the, the, the mosquito that's sucking blood right out of you.

[A]

That.

[D]

Be that as it may, these, the, the shutdown. Like if we go to try to sell somebody something or we try to give them a change over, our big thing is like, hey, let's do this now before Black Friday. Let's make sure this is up and running before Black Friday because we know that's when you're going to make a massive majority of your money. So if, if the government shut down, people can't fly, people can't travel. I mean, nobody's. If you live in Minnesota and you've got family in Texas, are you gonna fly? If you can't fly, you're not gonna drive. Like, you're just gonna stay put. That's what everybody's gonna do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And then that, that's what I'm saying. They, they just hold society hostage. They're saying if you guys don't work with us, we're gonna kill. We're gonna kill, you know.

[D]

But it's even worse than that because guess who else is getting held hostage? The military. I, I, I mean like or all.

[A]

Of the, or the veterans.

[D]

Or the veterans or all of the other law enforcement agencies, stipends and grants and everything else that they're not going to get.

[A]

Now I want, I want Christmas. I don't care what the cops have anymore. So. All right, a little bit more reflection time Saturday night. Oh, me versus Tyler.

[B]

Tyler versus.

[D]

I just put the Tyler versus the old lady.

[B]

Yeah. So.

[A]

Where do you start? Well, it was not supposed to be like that.

[D]

No, it was not.

[B]

I, I thought you were like, it was like full WWE character. You were the meanest human being I've ever met.

[D]

He's looking at me and his eyes.

[B]

Were this, I was like, is this dude serious? I was sitting there and I'm like, I'm looking and did I go too far?

[A]

No.

[B]

I mean you had a passionate like 76 year old woman who's husband served in World War II, old, old man and career VFW and she is stuck in the mid. She doesn't understand social media, she doesn't understand technology. She just knows. They just know that game they were playing in the back.

[A]

Let's just put it this way. Jimmy's dying on the ground. I need to give him life saving measure and you're standing in front of me saying you can't, I can't touch Jimmy.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What am I gonna do? Yeah, you're gonna, yeah, I'm gonna move you. I'm gonna be mean to you.

[B]

So that's what that was happening was basically taking the stand that the first problem I have with VFW is like you were saying they limit their club by veteran of foreign wars. There's just that this generation of of is not the same. I believe you know, VFW guys come back from Vietnam with nowhere to go. Country turned their back on them, on them pissed on no va. That was like, okay, we're gonna go in this room of a veteran of a foreign war. This is the only place that's going to take care of us. They're going to help us get food. They're going to do so the country on those people. Fast forward veterans are still getting on but not as bad as that era and America is not as bad to vets as they were then. So they're kind of living in the past that there's so many things going on outside those doors. It should, in my opinion, turn more into like, just vets, veterans.

[A]

Yeah. They should lose that whole foreign war because if we go to war again, there's going to be much less boots on ground than there are kids with drones sitting in Phoenix, Arizona. So are those kids with drones that are getting kills on the battlefield, are they. Are they going to be able. Or is it because they're not going to have boots on ground? I'm telling you, it's not gonna happen.

[D]

When you look at, like World War II or World War I, where a significant majority of the population, you know, if you say, hey, 7% or 5% of the entire population and 20% of the male population went and fought, like, that's a significant demographic. Yeah. That's a significant amount of people that would be able to enjoy in the VFW. Let's say that only 20. That's still a lot of people. But we've got, you know, 20 year war and we don't have nearly as many. And. And the part of that is because some of us did several deployments over 20 years. Yeah. And World War II last.

[A]

Well, we never had a draft either.

[D]

Yeah. And we never had a draft.

[B]

Walking into the vfw, I'll be the mean one. Now that we're not there anymore, walking in there, it's like walking in Walmart in the 80s. The decorations are old, the. The format is old, the technology is old, the atmosphere is old. They have a jukebox, I'll give them that. A newer one that you can scan, like, touch, tune.

[D]

They had some other stuff too, that we can't talk about.

[B]

They did, but you have to evolve. Just like everything else evolved. It's like they didn't evolve and they expected to draw the people in. It'd be like you. It'd be like selling your kid that you're the only kid in the block that's not gonna have an Xbox and a cell phone. This is how we've always done in this house. Come on in, and your friends are gonna be like, I'm not going over that kid's house. He's got that kid's.

[A]

That's a great comparison.

[B]

You're not gonna go over that.

[A]

You can run your house like that.

[B]

That kid's awesome. But I'm not going to your house ever. Because I'm not going in there with no Xbox. No, I can't use the WI fi. There isn't any WI fi. So when you walk into that old atmosphere, you're. You look at, there's some nostalgic things. The, the table, you know, the onset, the set table, pow. The, the flags. That stuff's there. But it's so outdated and the, and the philosophy behind it is you're not going to attract the Vietnam vet. There's no such thing as a Vietnam vet mentality now in this country. It's a different place.

[A]

No, everybody wanted to serve.

[D]

If, if you were going to create a bar that was for us, you'd have hesco barrier looking walls and you'd have a bunch of like, like heavy metal stuff and you know, rap music and.

[A]

Whoa, dude, you just went three separate.

[D]

Yeah, no, dude, like I listen to so much metal and so much metal stuff.

[A]

Rap music.

[D]

I listen to metal and gangster rap.

[B]

And here was, here was the irony of that night was the loudest people in the including her, which she didn't serve, were non served people. Everybody sat down and talked to us. I don't know if there's anybody in there was a vet.

[A]

There wasn't anybody in that.

[B]

One guy at the bar that's not.

[D]

A veteran reformed wars.

[A]

No.

[B]

And everybody led with, I'm not a vet. I'm not a vet at all. But I'm here because I care about you guys. So you're letting people in and it's great. That care about vets and they're basically funding your entire VFW and there's not one veteran of a foreign war or vet.

[A]

They're drinking.

[B]

They're not even in there.

[A]

No, they're not there. Everybody. That was so one of my biggest arguments too is I said, okay, listen. I was like, where's your command structure? Why are they not sitting here? And I was, you know, no, it was just supporters that were there. That was it. And they said, oh, he's out of town. He didn't know what this was gonna be. If he had known, he would have been here. And I'm like, okay, I don't believe that. I think if you're going out of town, you're going out of town. You're not getting paid to be at the bfw. But let's just. That being said, my biggest argument was like, whose house are we in? We're in that commander's house. That should be his house. We've got nine flyers this big on every door and wall. We've got many flyers at the bar being passed out to everybody and not one person went, who are these Guys, dude, these guys.

[D]

By the way, we paid.

[B]

So then, so then we're doing an event. The contrast to this is we're doing an event this Saturday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is going to be at a modern brewery. Brewery where there's a veteran owned brewery with a non profit watch. We're going to have a massive turnout. And the difference is how it's presented, where it's at, and the atmosphere of.

[A]

Where we're going and people knowing, hey.

[B]

Media, we know we want to be.

[A]

We need people talking about, please come here.

[B]

So that, yes, that's unfortunate, but that.

[A]

Flyer set up and those, those people that are so stuck in their ways looked at the same flyer for three weeks and didn't even know what the hell it was. No one cared. No one said. And I'm even saying, all right, our house is falling. I want to drink here for the next 15 years until I die of cirrhosis of the liver. Right? That's what I want to do. Statistically speaking, this building is going to be a Miller's Ale House in about five.

[D]

And you said that.

[A]

And what are we gonna do? Guys, gents, everybody at the bar drinking. What's our game plan? Let's get some youth in here. Nobody, they sat and looked at that flyer and just went back because they. And, and we went there and we were telling people, can you come engage with us? And they're like, no, no. A lot of people did, but some people were like, no, I'm just, I.

[D]

Just want to drink.

[A]

Like, okay, well, we'll keep it open for you, but you can drink.

[B]

And that's it. I mean, you're not going to get anybody. You're not going to sustain that business.

[D]

So I, I grew up at VFWs and American Legions and things like that when I was a kid. And they were packed, right?

[A]

Same with fop.

[D]

So. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell a story. I told a story that night and I'll tell it on air. I went to the American Legion where my grandpa and my grandma. My grandpa flew in Vietnam. My grandpa, My grandma. Grandpa was. I think he was the sergeant at arms or something like that. He was in charge a bunch of money. And my grandma was in the Ladies Auxiliary. I went there. I had, I was. I had been back from the war for a week. I had spent 15 months in Iraq. I'm back from the war. I'm in there. There's a bunch of Vietnam vets, there's a bunch of Korean vets, there's some World War II guys smaller than what I remember, but there's still some. And people. A guy looked at me and looked at my grandpa and said, when's this guy gonna join? And my grandpa goes, oh, he just got back from Iraq. And. And the dude rolled his eyes and goes, yeah, you guys got it good now. And. And it was like a complete, like, turn. Like, I don't ever want to go to the American Legion again because there. There's a bunch of tab protectors. There's a bunch.

[A]

Yeah, it's gay kept, it's gate kept, you know, so that it was just a very difficult situation because, you know, she was like, well, you know, because I'm like the business model. I was like, I'm not attacking your vfw. I'm attacking the VFW in general. The business model is based off of us going to war constantly, forever. And I was like, in a perfect world, world peace, our goal is to never do that anymore. So why would you make your business now? I granted, like, it's like policing. We're baking our business model off of police videos because they're always going to be there. So I guess maybe that's their assumption. There's always going to be war. So let's have it.

[B]

When do we officially end the war wrecking Afghanistan?

[A]

2022.

[D]

Well, I guess it was a pull out of. Yeah, so we're.

[B]

We're three years out if we don't go to war for 10, 12 years.

[D]

Yeah, we're still gonna.

[B]

Who can go.

[A]

Who can be a member?

[B]

Because right now you have. And then you had a big gap. You have what, a Desert Storm? 96. Right. And then you had 96 to 01. So you had another long period. And the Vietnam to the Vietnam to the Desert Storm was a massive G. So, yes, it, it was a great concept at the time. And, and the, the reasoning behind it was amazing. We have a bunch of veterans of foreign war that have nowhere to go. So we're going to start halls and places for them to gather. But eventually there's not enough because there's.

[A]

The way, the way you do it. There's. There's different levels. You can hold office at a vfw. You do have to be a member of a foreign war. Right. Hold on. Wait, I'm not done. Oh, so you have to be a member of foreign war. The next step is just to be a member of the vfw. You have to pay fees, by the way, there's an annual fee or you can. I think it's I think it's always. You got to pay a fee to be a member there. But that used to be something where, like, dude, this place is so banging, dude. I would. This is awesome. This is my home. Right? And then there's people that can be auxiliary, which they run to. They run a linear chain of command with the commanders, but their civilians are usually the old ladies, the wives. Like, they're. They're, you know, their wives and stuff. I don't mean old ladies as derogatory. I mean, like, they're old lady and. And then there's people that are. They're. They're veterans. They serve the military, but they can't be members. Like, they can't. It's almost like a biker club. Like, hey, that doesn't make sense to me. No, it doesn't.

[B]

You're coming in, you're drinking beer, you're paying, but I can't be a member. It just doesn't make sense. Yeah, like, the concept of it needs to be rebranded as a veteran location for all that.

[D]

Well, that's what the American Legion is.

[A]

Oh, is that their difference?

[B]

Well, if they want to lose to the American Legion, they want to just disband the vfw, that's fine. But you're not gonna. You're not gonna get kids that just got out of the, you know, went to Iraq in 2120, 21, 2019, that play video games and, and do all that stuff.

[D]

Those guys aren't.

[B]

They're not going to walk in that door ever.

[D]

I mean, I mean.

[A]

But that's. That's the ideas I'm talking about. Right there. Right there. Your game, right? I, I, I, I. And I'm gonna put my money where I'm out. I'm gonna start showing up at that. So I'm gonna go and I'm gonna start. You know, they told me, they made it very clear you will not start at a.

[B]

We can go there Thursday.

[A]

Yeah. You will not start at a place of high position. You will start it. You know, they made it very clear. I was like, okay, cool. Take your pride and get the out.

[B]

She did tell you that.

[A]

So I'm like, I'm gonna go, right? And then I'm gonna go, what use bam, boom, boom. Video game nights. Veteran video game nights, Right. Mario Kart. And the whole point of it is, is if you. One special night, you do one special night, you try to retain 5% of those people as everyday customers. You do that enough, you will start building your. You retain the base.

[D]

Here's what I would do, I would.

[A]

I can't interrupt me and just go, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here. My bad, my bad.

[D]

I'm sorry, man. Like, I got.

[A]

Write it down.

[B]

Like he needs his own show. You got a lot of ideas. We need Jimmy's own podcast.

[D]

All right. Sorry, guys.

[B]

I'm so sorry.

[A]

You're good.

[D]

Do you remember, did you play a lot of video games in the barracks when you lived in barracks?

[A]

I didn't. Only because the live was like just coming out, like really hardcore. So I, I didn't. But there was a lot.

[D]

I played Halo 2 a lot in the barracks between barracks rooms. Yeah, I would put together like, hey, dude, we're gonna play Halo 2. Like, like, hey, we're gonna do it like we did back in the day. Like, hey, we're all on a connecting on a network.

[A]

Yeah. So it wasn't live, but it was console based.

[D]

Yeah, it was. So it's a local area.

[A]

Local. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Like land party.

[D]

Yeah, it's a land party. All right. We're all gonna hang out, man. We're gonna do what we did, right? You can't have those. And this is what I was trying to bring up. I was actually to trying, trying to help you. It's like I could say that to them and they'd be like, no, we're not doing.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. They don't. Well, because they A, they don't know what it is and B, they resist change. And I can guarantee you right now I tagged the H, the in the VFW HQ Instagram, which has like 12, 000 followers. It's not the smallest page in the world, but it's definitely needs to be in the hundreds of thousands if you're the vfw. And I tagged them in this reel. And I guarantee you there will be no engagement. Negative clapback, Positive. It doesn't matter. There will be no engagement from that because they don't know what they're doing. They had. And that's what Mike tried to explain to Carolyn that was really upset, is that you have to understand this is the, the modern age is technology. Exposure is exposure. Kids are on their phones. So when I'm on my phone driving like everybody else, I'm passing that vfw, I don't know if they exist like you said, until you see it somewhere and you see it cool, you see it modernized and then you want to go.

[D]

And the VFW is going. I mean, I, I, I did the math and of course you Called me out that night. I'm like, hey, when was the VFW founded?

[A]

You Googled it under the table.

[D]

I did. I. I wasn't trying to do it under the table.

[A]

I just did it.

[D]

Right, but it was 1899, right?

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[D]

So it's been around for a hundred years. And her point was? Well, we lost a lot of people during COVID and that. That really slowed us down. It's like. So we've been going since 1899. But Covid's what stopped you. Yeah, Covid's what stopped it. No, what stopped you is that you don't have any young people.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And so we had between 1.9 and 3 million people serve in Iraq and Afghanistan during the war.

[A]

That's it. That's it. Yeah. That's not a good. That's. That's something.

[D]

That's roughly the same number as served in World War II for four years. Okay. So you've got a smaller demographic that you're trying to reach that you can.

[A]

Want nothing to do with you, and.

[D]

They want nothing to do with you because you are gatekeeping them.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You're. You're literally cutting off your nose despite your face.

[A]

Mike, take us home.

[D]

Take us home, Mike.

[B]

On that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's got to be social media. It's got to be youth and youth based. It's got to be younger people. It's got to change the inside of the building. You have to make it presentable. They're. They're, you know, they're playing that roller game bowling league. $7 a night. It's cool. I played and I. I said that to her. I remember as 1993, 4. We used to go to bars and play darts.

[A]

You.

[B]

And we would put our names in a hat. Two people be on a team. We played. We put $10 in the pot. The house got some. That's kind of what they're doing. They're living in, like, the 90s.

[A]

But you can now gamble on your phone at home. Yeah, but you don't. You could do it in your underwear.

[B]

It's still fun to go do it. Like, I remember playing horseshoes as a kid. I remember betting on darts. I remember it's still fun to get together and do it. You just have to. You have to modernize the building, bring people in, you know, And I'm not saying anything mean, but I'm not gonna say it. What, the digital people? I mean, the bartender. Like, it's. There's a lot going on in there. You have to. It's it's the equivalent of having. How do I say this without sound like a dick. It's equivalent of getting like, let's say gets your first thousand or two thousand followers and you're posting and you're getting 12 views. And to you that's a really big deal. And I'm not taking away from it. They're kind of on that level of like we've got three guys that come every night. So I know when I walk in that door those same three dudes and you become complacent that everything's okay because them three or four guys are showing up and you're serving until they die or they don't come back and there's nobody replace them. And if you, I bet if you go back 10 or 15 years, you couldn't pull in that place.

[A]

Yeah. Oh yeah.

[B]

And it was packed and everybody was there and slowly they died. They moved on.

[A]

They moved. It sounds harsh, but guys, it's a problem is that their VFWs, their client, their demographic is so old, massive business is a contributing factor.

[B]

I mean, look at like Circus City could Circuit City lost to Best Buy Circus. Big corporations lost because Amazon came along. Walmart went to the digital era.

[A]

Best Buy is now at Victor Best Buys.

[B]

It you go to, I remember five.

[A]

Eight years ago, DVDs.

[B]

Dude, we worked the detail at Black Friday. There'd be five cops outside with a mile long. You go there, you go there Black Friday. There'll be three people in line. Yeah, you can get online. So they had to evolve. They're keeping up because their name, I think, but so good.

[D]

I, I want to make you, I'm making your point. So 2.7 million people served in Vietnam over, over nine years. Okay, 2.7 million over 20. We would probably have that. We probably have less. But let's just say we have that over 20.

[A]

20 year war.

[D]

A 20 year war. And the one thing that you said that we actually didn't hit too hard because we should have, but we were trying to be nice, was that lady had no right to talk to us. We were actually veterans of foreign wars and she wasn't.

[A]

Yeah, I, I tried. I mean, I tried to, like, I know what you're saying because I tried to do that respectfully by saying I'm, I am a veteran of a foreign war. But also like I was saying is that when people come into critique, like, I don't, I don't. Oh, you know, if I become a member and I hold office now, I'm subject to the Whole rigamaru of respect and loyal. I'm an outsider saying, y' all are failing. I don't have. It's just like the DOD and an auditor. It's like the DOD working with the dia. I don't. I'm not in your chain of command, homeboy. I don't have to. I don't have to say to you. You do you. I was brought in to tell you what you're doing wrong. We can have a great relationship, or I can just report that you are failing.

[B]

And when that's done in a. In a. With good intentions, like you're doing that with good intentions.

[A]

I was playing a character to help.

[D]

You were.

[B]

But your. Your intentions were to bring awareness and then say, I'm willing to infiltrate this place as an outsider and bring good ideas. Not because I want to make money, not because I want to be famous, because I want to help you guys succeed. And that's the right reason. And what we see a lot of times is the wrong reasons. People infiltrate agencies or. Or businesses to get some power clout. And they do it for their own self serving. You're doing that because you don't want to see five people sitting next door to vfw. You think it should be much bigger. And they're resistant to that based on the way we've always done it. And that. That's the biggest problem I saw. This is how it's done. They have no mindset of what's next. And you're right, you said it very, very harshly. But that's going to be a Taco Bit restaurant or Taco Bell or McDonald's. It's not. It's. It's great real estate. It's on a prime road that goes right there. Everything around is modernized. There's a Wawa and a Circle K that are brand new right on the other sides of it. Eventually they're gonna go, we got. The old lady's dead. The other two guys are gone. It's like there's nobody left who's gonna come in there and do it. I mean, nobody. So it's.

[A]

And I'm not gonna lie, dude, it. Monetarily, they would tear the building down because it makes no sense. It's too old.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But it's beautiful. So it would take someone that cares about the building to fight to even have. Which means the VFW can't lose it. Nobody in their right mind. A big investor that walks in and wants that lot is going to keep that.

[B]

No, it's gone.

[A]

It's too. It's like they built it in, like the 70s.

[B]

Yeah, it was weird.

[A]

I'm just gonna tear it down and. And build a wawa that is going to be a gas station. Yeah. And unfortunately, we're doing everything I can. I think we're gonna document it like the VFW Chronicles. You know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go over there, start meeting some people and. And I. But I told that lady, this is how this is gonna go every meeting. I'm not gonna back down. Eventually, they're gonna say, we don't like him. We don't like him. There are supporters that drink beer are gonna say, no, you need him.

[B]

But they hold the other interesting thing. So I got in their football pool, I saw that there's 90, 100 people, locals on that list. I got two sheets. I got two sheets of paper sent to me of all the people in the games. Let me look at so I get an accurate number. I don't want to lie to anybody, but it was a significant amount of people. Here's the sheets. That's all names. That is. That is 30, not 40 names on. That's 80 names. So 80 people are participating in their. In their weekly football picks at that building, but nobody's showing up.

[A]

I mean, like, dude, I'm thinking. My mind goes so far to build things. Like I said, let's have a. Let's have a young bikers club night. I'll get all the mcs that. Not the omcs, not the Outlaws, but just some. Some biker clubs, bring them in, have some competitions. Now what I want to do is do that, and I want to have the old heads come in and hate it. I want them to hate it. And then I'm going to go, you know what we're going to do? We're going to do a fun competition between the old guys and the young guys. And then we're going to take a big photo and we're going to start building a community. But it takes exposure.

[B]

You throw a grill out back, cornhole tournament, something for the kids, a bounce house. You get everybody there. You're right. It would draw people in. Because once people see it, once the vets see it and they want to see it succeed, they'll show up. Because there's all those biker gangs, there's all those provet people. They just don't know that place exists. People live a mile from here don't know place exists.

[D]

One of the other things I noticed, too, is that when. When you look around that place you look at the decor, you look at the stuff that's on the walls. There's nothing from our generation.

[A]

No, there is nothing. No, no. Because they don't care.

[D]

No, that there is nothing.

[A]

I don't mean that in a bad way, but they really don't. Iraq, there's not even the mission barbecue down the road has a better setup than that.

[D]

Right.

[B]

We're supposed to be on the wall.

[D]

Right.

[B]

We gotta get our picture in there.

[D]

I mean, the. There's. There's nothing even from Desert Storm. It's all Vietnam and back.

[B]

It's. It's.

[D]

It just.

[A]

It.

[B]

The table set for the, you know, the person that didn't come home. The POW signs on the wall. Those things are absolutely important, but they're outdated. And that's nothing new. People have seen the POW flag too long to go for it, to draw you into it. Like, I have one. I used to give out. My. My thing was when a new guy on the shift achieved his level of being what I considered, in the click of good cops, you get a POW magnet to stick on your car. That was our sign. Like, something that shows awareness and shows commitment to the people that never came back, but also says, okay, that guy's got that sticker on car. I know he's one of us. That thing is so out. Like, it's just not. It's not catchy anymore. So they got the flag, the American flag, and the POW flag in a parking lot with dirt and an old wooden. An old sign that looks like it's from the 70s with the letters you got to stick on it. Everything is outdated from the outside to inside. So it does. It's going to take a rebranding. And they'll tell you they don't have money, and they'll tell you they don't have this, they don't have that. And it's just a bag of excuses. And you have to start somewhere.

[A]

And the reason why nobody joins and we'll end it on this, and I'm sorry, but we have to move on, is they want people to come join them on their sinking ship.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

As they're falling down and their ship is going to the water, everyone's looking down like, I'm not going to join. That the amount of effort it would take to keep this ship afloat, that you guys have failed to do, it's if it was a business model. Any businesses are just gonna sit there like sharks and wait for it to.

[B]

Go in, and then you present an idea and you get screamed at. By an old lady.

[C]

Well, well.

[D]

So I mean here's. Here's the other side. And. And I'm.

[A]

We gotta wrap it up after this.

[D]

Okay. I'm gonna be the dark Jimmy side.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna watch you fail and I'm gonna buy you and I'm gonna make a veteran place that I actually want.

[A]

Yeah, I thought about opening up a bar next door called Veterans of Wars.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And just made. But that's what the VFW would take is they would have to like start an Instagram page and call it like Veterans of Fantastic wars or something and like a mock up of how it could be modernized and see how successful it goes. And they're gonna be like, damn, they're right. But anyways, we gotta take a commercial break. Runs. Run our. Run our boys from vengeance and we'll be right back with a GoFundMe and we'll close out the show.

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[B]

Oh, we are now.

[A]

Hey, now we're back.

[B]

Welcome.

[A]

All right, so the GoFundMe for the day was sent to us in Instagram and obviously we field a lot of them and you know, we'd prefer them to come through the Patreon, but. And so you know, it's. It was somebody that just sent it to us. No, no, nothing. Just a link. I said we're gonna do it today and they just liked it. So from Sean, Peter, not saying that there's anything wrong with that, but next time, if anybody's gonna send us a gofundme, send us some behind the scenes stuff. You Know. So we know what we're doing, but.

[D]

Huh.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Okay. She has spent her. Um, this is for Jeanette, mom of five and a nurse. She spent her life giving to her community. Her family and her children have followed her lead. Two of her sons recently became NYPD officers. One is preparing to leave for military boot camp, and the daughter is in school to be a nurse, and the other is in school to become a social worker worker. Bridget has always. Oh, did I send the link? No, we're gonna. We're gonna do it right. We're gonna do it justice. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna send you this link via email and I'm still gonna talk about it. I didn't.

[B]

Yeah, you didn't.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, you didn't.

[B]

You didn't.

[A]

Yeah, I was like, did I send the link? He goes, yeah, while he's doing.

[B]

While he's doing that.

[A]

Hold on. Wait, wait.

[B]

No, I gotta tell you. Good. Clint just called in, so get your super chats ready. The only way to bet on Clint's time of his story is through a super chat. So wait, let me. The next segment is Clint after this. Oh, Louis is gonna do an official.

[A]

What's he doing?

[B]

He's getting a stopwatch ready for the screen. You keep going. All right.

[A]

I'm trying. I gotta find it.

[B]

I gotta stop watching my phone. L. I like talking.

[A]

Yeah, we got. All right, I think this will work too. Link. All right, Lewis, that should be in the dms, in the. In the emails in about a couple. I don't know why. Just pull up Instagram. What am I doing? Go to Anti Hero podcast.

[B]

Remove the stopwatch.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[A]

All right. For now. Anyways, so.

[D]

She is.

[A]

She is the sole person for a family of first responders.

[B]

Not for me. Who's.

[A]

The.

[B]

Sue sent it.

[A]

Jesus.

[B]

For the love of God, you should have segued in this one better.

[A]

All right, well, we. We went on the VFW for like, 45 minutes. Sean Peter.

[B]

See the names? The name Tyler Jimmy.

[A]

No, to the left. To the left. Do you have Instagram, Lewis?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, down. It's from a guy named Sean Peter. Right there.

[D]

This one?

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

All right.

[D]

Christ's sake. God save us, Lewis.

[A]

All right, so can they see. Oh, there you go. Pulling it up now, guys. All right, that's it. So if you can. I know that we butchered this one, but it is for a woman. Okay? She is now the one that needs support. She has been diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer that has spread to her Liver and spine. And she has multiple compound fractures in her spine. She cannot be. She has to be heavily medicated for pain because it affects her breathing, so she can't be. Which we learned recently when she was coded. She coded and was admitted in the icu. Oh, my goodness. She is the main breadwinner in fine. And the financial burden on the family is becoming overwhelming. So anyways, mom of cops and nurses. Those are her boys right there. They're in the nypd. You can find it. Like I said, we will always donate a couple bucks, help them out, and they could definitely use it. So.

[B]

Good. Are you ready? Yeah, we'll give it. We'll give it. I got Clint on the line, so if you got.

[A]

You're.

[B]

If you're trying to get the free shirt, we need super chats guessing your time that Clint's gonna take.

[A]

Another thing, too, is the YouTube memberships. They can now watch the VFW live. So it originally went live with Patreon. Patreon still has access to it, but we went ahead and threw it up for the YouTube members. So you can kind of see what we were talking about. It's only an hour and a half, but we go toe to toe with the Carolyn from the vfw.

[B]

Okay, well, looks like we have a winner already, because we have one super chat.

[A]

Yeah, There you go. There you get a free shirt.

[B]

Begin. Clint, what's going on, buddy?

[C]

Good morning.

[B]

Good morning. Talk to us. Hey.

[C]

All right, so I got one for you. All right, so you know how when you in process at your new unit, you know, you show up with a bunch of new guys, and even though that those new guys are. Those guys are not like your friends back home, but suddenly they become the best friends you ever had in the whole wide world.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Just cause they're going through the, you know, the new guy freaking it with you. So the 82nd in the 90s had a lot of little reindeer games that they used to play. And one of my buddies, his name was Goetta, he was from New York City, from the Bronx. And I don't know if y' all can tell from my accent, but I'm not from the Bronx, so he wastes minutes, this dude. We became real, real close. Real close. And one time we jumped in the Camp Lejeune to fight the Marines for two weeks, and we fought the Marines for two weeks. And the first night we were there, we jumped in and it was nighttime. And you know, Camp Lejeune compared to the Fourth Rag as a jungle, you know, it has like palm trees, almost like, you know, the field is kind of jungle compared to Fort Bragg. And we're in this little miniature jungle. And it was that nice time and we had just set up a patrol base and one of the. One of the senior guys.

[A]

Can you make it so you can see us with the stopwatch and not the stopwatches the whole run?

[B]

No, we'll figure out next time.

[A]

Well, can you?

[C]

All right, man, I got you.

[B]

The one next to.

[C]

We run over the two people over to the. We ran over my buddy. My buddy was in weapon school.

[A]

We want to be. We want people to be able to see us, not a stopwatch. So if you got to get there you go, that's fine. Now put it on Mike rucksack. There you go.

[C]

We opened up his rucksack. It was nighttime in the patrol base and he was doing something away from it. So we opened up his rucksack and we pulled the wet weather bag out. And we found this ruck that probably weighed 25 pounds. And we put that rock in the bottom of his rucksack and then put the wet weather bag in. Put all the shit back in.

[A]

Oh, that's fucked up.

[C]

I know y' all trying to be on the radio stuff. And then we put the AG gear on there and tightened it down. And that joker carried that rock for two weeks. Then we jumped back into Fort Bragg and we road marched. The standard was 18 miles back to the barracks and he was in the barracks and he was. We walked in, he was laid up in the chair. We walked in and was like, what's. Whoa, What's. What's going on, Ben? He's like, guys, I don't know what it was. It's like, I don't know what happened, you know, so we laugh. Anyways, so the same dude. Same dude. We went to advanced airborne school at Fort Bragg and we had to do Dragon missile jump packs. So a dragon is like a HE4, but, you know, on steroids.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And this thing is so big you can barely get it through the door of the airplane when you jump out. So you really got to be trained to get it out the door. So they sent us all down there and you had to do something like five out of seven successful, you know, exits from the 34 foot tower. So of course it's like the hottest day of the entire summer.

[A]

Right?

[C]

It's 100 plus and we're jumping out of the 34 foot tower with these dragons on our rucksacks. And pretty much everybody is like, five out of five and done sitting there killing. Well, my buddy, his squad leader, the weapon squad leader, he's leading the training. And this man is the best. He really, to this day, the meanest man I ever knew. In the arms for no reason. His face looked like he had been shot with bird shot. That's how it's like from acne.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And I had acne scars.

[C]

I had one zit on my face from the field. He called me pizza face. I had one Z. Hey, what's up, pizza face? I was like, oh, okay. So anyways, we're jumping out of town. We're basically done. But he hates my vet, who's in his squad, and he makes him do it like 12 or 13 times. He just keeps no going him. Every time he exits the tower. Do it again.

[B]

Yeah, it's miserable.

[C]

Yeah, we can. We can do it again. We can do it again. So finally, my buddy jumps out of the. Out of the door and he just goes. Dead body on the line. And he slides all the way down the right line. He's completely unconscious. You know, at the end, you gotta do a pull up so they can unhook your harness and everything. And so because he's not there to do the pull up, he's dead. Dead body on it. Everybody's freaking out, and they're trying to climb up him and trying to unhook him and everything. They can't get him. We're all watching this. They finally get him down, and he's got. They had his top and his pants pulled down, and he had IVs going in both arms and both legs. And they were trying to bring him back. They were trying to bring him back. So we got back to the barracks and walking his road. He's sitting in the chair. Just like from the. From the road march. He's sitting in the chair laid out. And I mean, this dude's a student. These ladies in the chair, we were like, hey, man, what happened today? He's like, guys, he said, when I. He said I was having a hard time, and when I jumped out of the. When I jumped out of the door, he said, I reached up and I grabbed my risers and I looked over and Audie Murphy was parachuting beside us. And Audie Murphy turned and looked at me and said, I don't think you're gonna make it. He said, that's the last thing I remember. My one buddy said, man, you never touched your eyes.

[A]

He was passed out.

[D]

And Audie Murphy wasn't in the 82nd.

[B]

Yeah. All right, Clint, we appreciate you calling in, man. We'll see you next week. 7:14. Do you know what I wrote down?

[A]

What?

[B]

6, 45.

[A]

You were close. T. Mill. Reach out.

[B]

Another one. He got it last week, too.

[A]

No, no, Ja. Got it last.

[B]

Oh, that's right. No, he's got something. He got something, too.

[A]

Did he?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it T? I thought it was.

[B]

Everybody was commenting.

[D]

He was the only one that actually.

[B]

Lewis's response to the. We'll get it next time.

[A]

Yeah, Mike, shut the up.

[B]

We'll get it next time, man. Just leave the screen completely. We'll work on it next time.

[A]

One of the last things that we're gonna talk about, and I discussed this with Mike a little bit last night, and I was gonna make it the thumbnail because it was hilarious. But we are out of the soft drama. We're letting that all burn down on its own. But we are gonna report just the basics, our playlist. We're gonna report the fact that Matt Bissonette is going to be on the Sean. He was already filmed for the Sean Ryan show. It is going to come out soon. Correct. They blanked his face out, made it look all sexy. Except if you just YouTube Matt missing that. He was on 60 Minutes like 15 years ago.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Talking about right after the raid, right before. It was not right before. It was before. Rob o' Neill took credit for Matt Bissonnette already went in and said it. He didn't take any credit for it that I Remember in the 60 minutes, but he did say a contradictory story that, you know, and that was one of Brent and Anti Hero's arguments was Matt Biss and its original story. That's right. Just conflicted with Rob o' Neill's story. And I don't know how that's gonna play out because Rob o' Neill always got away with. He was the only one telling a story. The DoD, the Navy tried to bury Matt Bissonette because he didn't have the right credit. He didn't have the right permission to get this to use the stories. They sued the out of them. I. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with that. But either way, he. And he was probably being a quiet professional. He just didn't want to argue with Rob o'. Neill. But now that this is going to be on the Sean Ryan show and, and, and let's.

[D]

I mean, I know you don't want to hit this too hard, but I'm going to because that's pretty Much. Where I got my start here was when, When Brent moved on to bigger and better things. Rob o' Neill made a comment about Brent leaving. It was like, now you chuckleheads can shut the up and let the operators talk to us. To us. After Brent left, he's like, oh, I told you that he was going to leave. And you should figure out who you're, you know, make sure you don't hit your wagon to a falling star. Go yourself, Rob o', Neill. Because now we're going to find out. Now we're going to see it for real, because now somebody's actually going to push back on your stupid story that Brent and a lot of other people said was a problem. Is the wire out? Oh, man. Go change the camera.

[B]

The camera is not on anybody.

[D]

There you go.

[B]

We have a team meeting after the show.

[D]

Yeah, we're gonna have to.

[B]

And we're having a serious meeting.

[D]

Okay. Because I, I, it's, it's flickering.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Don't go to Jimmy anymore. Keep it off Jimmy. There we go.

[D]

All right.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Because I, I'm gonna cut a promo here. All right. I'm, I'm just gonna cut a promo. Let's see if it works.

[A]

All right, now you try to go back.

[D]

We're good.

[A]

Okay, good. So.

[D]

So, hey, I mean, like, I saw a lot of the comments on Sean Ryan's, and there are a lot of people talking about us talking about the Antihero podcast. Not the broadcast, the podcast.

[A]

What are they talking about?

[D]

Just like, oh, those guys from Antihero were right. Oh, Rob o' Neill is going to be. Is going to be crying now. He's not going to be able to hide behind a. I was the only guy that was in the room. And a lot of things like that. Yeah, bro, go yourself. Go yourself. I'm looking right at you. You're not going to be able to hide behind all the other things that you said, because now it's finally looking like people are actually going to go ahead and say what actually happened, because we know there were more guys in that room.

[A]

Well, and also, guess what? He's getting his wish. More operators are talking.

[D]

That's right. Yeah.

[A]

There you go, Rob o'. Neill. Have fun talking with the operators. Yeah.

[D]

And you know what? After this, you can leave us the alone, because we don't really care about your stupid who shot bin Laden? We were too busy fighting the actual war. Not doing operations that lasted an hour and a half, but fighting in battles that lasted months. So go yourself. These are for you. Sorry, I'm done.

[A]

The conventional guys.

[D]

Yeah, we're here for the conventional guys.

[A]

All right.

[B]

That Giants fired their coach just now.

[A]

Finally breaking news.

[B]

Breaking news.

[A]

Oh, I knew that loss. Someone told me that loss last night.

[B]

Brian Dabel is out as a Giants coach.

[A]

So when they fire somebody mid season, do they already have a replacement?

[B]

They usually bring in like, I don't know, terrible. But they usually grab somebody at the sideline, like a coordinator. But the defensive coordinator is terrible. I think the offensive coordinator will take over as the coach. And then what this allows them to do is they have a. Obviously a talented young quarterback. It keeps him in some stability of the system so he doesn't learn a whole new system in the middle of the season, lets him finish out this year playing, and then they'll, they'll hire a coach in the off season and mark my words, Bill Belichick.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

Say it right now. November.

[A]

How long has he been retired?

[B]

He's what? North Carolina disaster. He went to college. He's got that like 20 year old wife and he's in North Carolina as the coach. They're doing terrible.

[A]

Belichick, do you think, do you think that it's a. Coaches like, okay, so the Giants, you can attribute a lot of the mistakes to the coaching, but do you necessarily think it's always the best answer to fire the coach? Like, look at the Steelers. They've had Mike Thomas. Not the Steelers traditionally just. But they don't fire anything.

[B]

They're a winning team, though. They're consistently, they may not win at all. They're consistently in that. The Giants have been horrendous coach to coach. And this guy took over a team that made the playoffs the first year, ending up gotten worse every year. And there's little. Like if you watch the game and you see the final score, you're like, ah, they lost. But when you see critical points of a game where the Giants were down, it was a tie game. They were getting the ball in the second half and they're on the way, one half yard line. The other team got a penalty. It was fourth and a half a yard and they kicked a field goal and took the three easy. Instead of pinning the worst cases. You don't get it. Even the announcer, which was Greg Olsen, the old tight end for the Carolina Panthers, was like, this is a bad decision. Like I would go for it. Now it's easy to say that from the booth, but later on the game it comes back that one bad decision doesn't seem like much at the Time. But then when you unwrap four losses this year, up by 10. Up by 10 in the NFL, two of them, they were up by 10 with 359 left yesterday. Up by 10.

[D]

So you got. I mean the Giants have been.

[B]

Mike Kafka offensive coordinator just took over.

[D]

It's.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[D]

Been a tough time since Eli left. It's been a tough time.

[B]

Tough time. While Eli was there.

[D]

I mean, I mean he did beat the Patriots.

[B]

2011 was the last time they won the Super Bowl.

[A]

That was the second time against the Patriots.

[D]

Okay, so. But I mean it's, it's been a, it's been a tough time.

[A]

Those are good.

[D]

At what point do we stop looking at the coach and you know, and we start looking.

[A]

Well, I mean look at the Cowboys though. They didn't fire.

[B]

That's not the coach.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. That's the owner.

[B]

The owner is the problem there.

[D]

Yeah, he is. You don't think the Tish family is a problem?

[A]

Okay. I have been hearing that that Tish family has given.

[B]

This guy made the decision to let Saquon go and shown's in the. Joe Shone is the general manager. They had an opportunity to keep Saquon Barkley. They let him walk. There was actually, they were actually on Hard Knocks joking about like he's not like. And he's not going anywhere. And then he goes to Philly, wins the Super Bowl. They did great this year. This draft was very good. Jackson Dart is definitely the guy. But consistently making poor decisions brings negativity to you, to the locker room. And when you're co. When you lose a game as a coach multiple times, Those guys making 900 grand, barely a million dollars that are out there fighting for their life, that are average players, they need wins. They're not great. They're not going to hall of Fame, they're not going to get five year, 150 million dollar contracts. They're there, they're playing. And when you lose one of those heartbreaking games like in Denver where you're up like 20 points and you lose or you're up by 10 with 3 minutes 359 left and you lose, that kills the locker room. And you can't just like equate it to police work. You can't just walk in like sheriff, you're a, like, this place sucks. Yeah, you're gone. He has the power. So when you're in the locker room now you and you were talking about how that guy sucks, that now this little group of all three of us are talking. Next thing you know, Lewis is on board. We're all talking about the coach. Nobody can say it. And you lose the locker room. That's what happened.

[A]

But. And oh, he lost, he lost locker.

[B]

Room like two years ago.

[D]

And, and, and here's the thing though. Like, the other part of that that you didn't mention was you've got the, you've got the guys that are rookies, you got the guys that have been playing for a while and then you have the OGs, then you got the real vets. If you lose the vets. Because that's really who the coaches talk through. They, the coaches will talk to the team through the guys that have been in the league the longest and not the captains, because the captains are, are mostly.

[A]

But the issue with the Cowboys is that Jerry Jones is not allowing that process to happen.

[B]

He has never let a coach or German manual have free ring. He does everything himself. So he is the. He's everything.

[A]

That's why they haven't won since the year 95, right?

[B]

96, I think.

[A]

Was it the season of 95? Year 96.

[B]

It's been a long time.

[A]

We got any Cowboys fans in the chat?

[B]

How about them Cowboys?

[A]

Got any Giants fans in the chat?

[B]

There better be.

[A]

I don't think the Steelers have won the super bowl since I was in Iraq.

[D]

Yeah. So that was with Roethlisberger.

[A]

Yeah. Do you remember that? They gave us two beers. They gave everything.

[D]

Yeah, I got pictures of me drinking beer.

[A]

Yeah, I got two beers. They let us watch the super bowl, which was kind of weird because the super bowl was at like 4 in the morning.

[D]

Yeah. It was like. I got pictures of us all like in a GP medium.

[A]

We had to go. I mean, they didn't cancel work the next day, so we had no.

[D]

We. We were out of patrol.

[A]

Yeah. But.

[D]

Oh man, I mean, I, I don't know. I, I want, I want every team to be good in the NFL because having bad teams just means that like there, like there's certain places where there's almost no drama. Like if you go and play. I remember when it was the Lions, right? If you go play the Lions, like write that one off. Now it's like you go play the Lions, you. You go be prepared to have people have the clavicles broken.

[A]

What they call it in the longest yard. A. A pimp up. A pump up game.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, it's a cupcake game. Yeah, yeah, it's a cupcake game. Well, that's what they call It.

[A]

Is there any. Is there any news I cannot keep up with?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

XFL and all that stuff. Like, I don't know. Wasn't there another league they were doing?

[B]

XFL kicked off, back off, but they.

[A]

Merged with the Amer United States.

[B]

There's some. It just. That's never.

[A]

You can't. You cannot. It is. They're trying to do a WCW or an AEW rival against W. It's not. You cannot rival the.

[B]

Well, the way that they did it. That the wrestling took real talent and brought it over. You're not gonna get any good guys from the NFL.

[D]

They can't pay. We're gonna make money.

[B]

Fraction of the cost. We're gonna go. You know, they tried that with like the live thing with the golf. Like, PGA had to live as competition, but they got big name guys that come over. There's just one NFL, but then you're.

[A]

Getting guys that are just in it for the money. They're not in it for. For the sport. If you're. If you're like, hey, we need five guys in this league. We're gonna spread them out. We're gonna pay them a ton of money. They're in it for the money. They're not in it for the love of the game. Because if they were, they would want to be in the best possible back.

[D]

Back in the day, it was the AFL and the NFL, and that's how. Why we have a Super Bowl.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So now. But you're never gonna get another league. At any point.

[A]

I wonder how much the NFL grosses.

[D]

Perhaps every year.

[A]

Billions, right? Yeah.

[B]

The commissioner makes like $50 million a year.

[D]

I mean. I mean, and talk about a guy who's a master at spending 20 minutes saying nothing. I mean, he. He can be like. And now I have taken these words that have come out of my mouth that. Throwing them into sentences which make things that go into your ears.

[A]

And now I'm out, man. $50 million a year. That is insane.

[B]

That's nothing. It sounds cool, but think about what those big guys are making.

[A]

The players.

[B]

No, like, Musk and I mean, like.

[A]

Jimmy, you said you had some news.

[D]

I do. So this is. This is the only thing that we haven't talked about. Like, there's been a lot of, like, nothing to report. Like, I think I said that to you yesterday when you're like, hey, what do we got going on? So yesterday and today, the. I mean, and this is. This is a big deal. The Prime Minister of Japan, who's a woman. Coleman basically said that a Military attack by China onto Taiwan constitutes a clear and present danger to the sovereignty and independence of Japan. And that Japan needs to be prepared to do offensive military operations. Now why is that important? Because after World War II, we basically made it so they couldn't do offensive military.

[A]

I almost said the infamous line of they can have a military.

[D]

Yes, they can have a military. They, they have, they are actually worse off than Japan or Germany. They have a self defense force.

[A]

They have samurais. Right?

[D]

Well, ninjas and samurai. Little different, but okay, we'll go with that.

[A]

I'm obviously being.

[D]

I know, I'm just playing along. So they actually have three, what they called helicopter destroyers that they turn into aircraft carriers that can carry F35 via vertical takeoff. F35. You know, the most advanced.

[A]

Do they have F35s?

[D]

They have a shitload.

[A]

Japan does.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Where'd they get them?

[D]

They, It's a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Lockheed Martin. So Lockheed.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So that Lockheed Martin basically builds the airframe.

[A]

I like how you cannot be called a. What do they call the people that deal to both sides?

[D]

A profiteer.

[A]

Yeah. As long as you're Lockheed Martin and you're a billion dollar industry, you don't call that right. You can go build the enemy planes.

[D]

So Japan though, we let them. Not only did we let them build these aircraft carriers, we helped reinforce the deck here in the United States so they can land these aircraft on them. We want them to have it. And then so after the prime minister basically said, hey, this is a problem, the Chinese ambassador stationed in Japan basically said we will kill you for saying that. And she was like, bring it on. Like they, they are ready to. Japan is ready to throw down. I feel real bad for you, China. You guys have our. You guys didn't do so well against Japan last time. Like you guys are gonna get.

[A]

Do we want to shout out St. Pete real quick?

[B]

Yeah, can you pull up that flyer, Lewis?

[A]

We will be in St. Petersburg. The tamperary, Jimmy's neck of the woods.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

Next weekend or this weekend?

[B]

Saturday.

[A]

Saturday, yep.

[B]

2. What is it? 2 to 3, 3 to 6?

[A]

3. The events. I, I imagine we're gonna go live with our event around 3pm If I had to get the events to Patreon again.

[D]

Yeah, dude, that place down there is bumping.

[B]

So this is a, this is a veteran owned brewery and this is a non profit vet organization that reached out to us to come over, help, host, interview, help with. So we're not selling anything, we're not making any Money on. This is completely a completely fundraiser event. Y We're gonna hand out some stickers, give out some stuff. But this is us going over there and helping the vet community and first responder community and being seen.

[A]

If you're on that side of Florida, come see us if you're in.

[B]

People complain we didn't announce it.

[D]

McDill Air Force Base, which is, you know, about to be Joint Base McDill. So Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps. If you're over at McDill, get your ass out to St. Pete. Go to downtown St. Pete and come hang.

[A]

If you were somebody in the central Florida area and you were upset that we did not announce our last show at the VFW in Orlando, we were doing an experiment to see what the VFW could bring. That's essentially what we did. We didn't want to have any outsiders there from us. We want. Wanted to kind of make a point. So that's why we didn't announce it. But if you were gonna go to that, if you had known, if you want to coordinate with us, maybe we can get you down to Tampa so you can come be that one. So just reach out to us if that's something you want to do or if you're just gonna talk on the Internet.

[B]

Somebody says there anything you need to know? No, it's gonna be a bunch of vets first responders at a brewery. We'll be broadcasting, interviewing people, making sound clips, getting there. 501c non profit out. I know it has to do with mental health and help for vets that come back.

[A]

And if they force me to be the bad guy, Mike, I will.

[B]

But we know that verbally assaulted an old lady Saturday night. So we know you're capable.

[A]

I think you're very rude. She was mad I put the picture of us up though.

[B]

It was so.

[A]

Me and Carolyn.

[B]

It was so good.

[A]

Yeah. And South Carolina, 12-6-6. We'll be at it.

[B]

We have to get that up and there's something. We'll talk. We have to get signed up. I think I forwarded to you because I didn't want to deal with it.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[B]

You gotta sign up and. But that's another event. And we'll post that after. We'll pump this Saturday 1. The next event is in December day. December. It's a Saturday. It's Friday night and a Saturday night. December. And that's about an hour from Savannah. We'll get all the details. It's a Another non profit. It's like A SWAT first responder.

[A]

Military. You don't have to be on a field challenge.

[B]

No, no, no, no. It's not SWAT team. It's an individual. But it's Friday night is like a fun night. They're doing shooting competition Friday night just to have fun with shooting guns. And then Saturday is an actual competition. We're going there as well. Not being paid to go there. We're doing that.

[A]

We're not competing.

[B]

They want us to shoot, but I'm not gonna embarrass myself.

[A]

I'll. I'll shoot just to show I can shoot. But I'm loud running. No course.

[B]

The loudest shot there is is when you shoot at steel and it doesn't make any noise. The silence. The silence is. Is loud. When you go pow. And there's a steel plate like six yards away, and you don't.

[D]

You're like, wait, what were you shooting at? Toenails. Trying to get in the pedicure with that shot.

[B]

It's bad, man. That's the loudest noise you'll ever hear. Silence is the loudest noise on the steel gun.

[D]

If you don't hear that.

[A]

All right, guys, come back Thursday. We'll be here Thursday morning, 11 o' clock Eastern Standard Time on YouTube. And then Thursday night, obviously, we'll be on YouTube, 8:00pm Eastern Standard Time. But we'll see you Thursday. Enjoy your week.

[D]

Later.

[A]

JV team for life.