11/17/2025: OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS UNDER ATTACK

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast Summary

Episode: 11/17/2025: “OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS UNDER ATTACK”
Date: November 17, 2025
Host: Antihero Podcast Crew (Mike, Lewis, Jimmy, Canine, guests)
Special Focus: Issues affecting veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans

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Overview

This lively episode blends the signature irreverence and camaraderie of The Antihero Broadcast crew with a pointed look at challenges to First Amendment rights, military controversies, real-time war updates from Ukraine, and the team’s enduring commitment to open, unvarnished conversation. The show is peppered with humorous banter, listener interaction, and honest stories from both on- and off-duty life. Veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans are front and center, with a healthy dose of sports, dark humor, and candid personal tales.

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Main Discussion Themes

1. First Amendment Rights: Under Attack by Lawsuits

• (14:06–15:24; 31:04–34:10)
  • The crew discusses facing a “frivolous lawsuit” from Rob O’Neill, who objects to how his Navy SEAL career and the Bin Laden raid have been discussed on the podcast.
  • They frame this as a threat to all podcasters’ First Amendment rights, warning of the chilling effect if lawsuits start shutting down open conversation:
    • Mike (14:06): “Our First Amendment is under attack by Rob O’Neill right now… It’s the most frivolous lawsuit I’ve ever seen.”
    • Lewis (15:24): “It’s like when you’re on the news, the government tells you this happened, you have to believe it.”
  • They compare attempts to stifle podcast content to censorship in less free societies.
• The panel draws a line between commentary, honest debate, and defamation, arguing for podcasters’ right to openly discuss contested events and figures in the veteran and military community.

2. Military & Veteran Community Drama

• Rob O’Neill Controversy
  • The crew recounts past podcast criticism of SEAL Rob O’Neill’s conflicting accounts regarding the Bin Laden raid.
    • Lewis (18:21): “The hardest thing about keeping up with a lie is telling the same story… Critical incidents don’t change in memory.”
    • The hosts and special guests touch on personal experiences with traumatic memory, using law enforcement analogies for storytelling reliability.
• Tig (Mark Geist) and Benghazi Disputes
  • Recent online attacks from “Tig” (Benghazi survivor) are aired, with the hosts extending an invitation for him to appear on the show and clarify grievances:
    • Mike (34:11): “If you got an issue with somebody, address it accordingly, because it shouldn’t be me – I don’t even know who you are.”
  • Jimmy relates attempts to communicate with Benghazi veterans, expressing disappointment that dialogue has devolved:
    • Jimmy (25:30): “We were your friends not that long ago, and we still are. We’ve never said anything bad about you.”
• The crew notes a broader struggle within the military/first responder podcast world over genuine dialogue versus clout-chasing and performative grievance.

3. State of Free Speech in Podcasting

• Persistent pushback against efforts to limit content or police “sides” of military history.
  • Lewis (17:03): “Free speech is [under threat]. They want their comments filtered, but when you go to defendant pages, it’s debated.”
• The episode adopts the stance that honest, sometimes uncomfortable conversations are essential for veterans, first responders, and blue-collar listeners seeking authenticity.

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4. Live War Reporting from Ukraine

• (67:01–84:32; ~1:07:00–1:24:00)
  • The show features a live call-in with “Wyatt,” an American–Air Force veteran now serving with Ukraine’s armed forces.
  • Wyatt’s report covers:
    • The legendary Ukrainian “mud” that has bogged down both men and equipment, shared through a darkly comedic story:
      • Wyatt (69:08): “We had a fat guy… took a wrong step… up past his knee, the mud. Took us 15 minutes to dig him out. The boot was gone. The mud ate his boot.”
    • Realities of trench life, resource scarcity, and the “meta of 2025,” with foreign volunteers often relegated to the worst infantry and labor duties:
      • Wyatt (76:09): “If you’re a foreigner, screw you, you’re infantry, no matter what. You are a trench digger.”
    • Direct advice to would-be foreign volunteers:
      • Wyatt (77:07): “If I can’t talk you out of it... you will be out in the field, cold, miserable… If you’re coming for money, don’t come.”
    • Assessment of the war’s current stalemate, winter tactics, and Russia’s repeated—usually failed—winter offensives.
      • Wyatt (81:58): “Last winter they were digging tunnels to [enemy] trenches and blowing them up... Our big focus is to crush their money sources, oil infrastructure, rail.”
    • Wyatt offers to provide regular podcast updates.
    • Notable exchange:
      • Wyatt (80:59): “If somebody’s coming for the money, get lost, don’t come.”
      • Jimmy (77:07): “Sounds to me like the answer is no [to foreign volunteers joining].”
• Jimmy and Lewis supplement with broader Ukraine updates, using expert-mapped visuals and commentary.

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5. Breaking News: Venezuelan Narco-Conflict

• The team is frustrated that mainstream media ignores US military posture and operations near Venezuela as the Navy and Marines escalate counter-narcotics strikes.
  • Jimmy (64:39): “If I was going to tell you there’s Marines off the coast, a carrier, the 82nd [airborne] on alert… what do you think is going to happen? Regime change?”
• They distinguish between small-boat interdiction (not meant to reach the US) and the strategic aim of disrupting supply lines before drugs migrate north.

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6. Sports, Law Enforcement, and Blue Collar Life

Fun and Friction

• Sports Fandom and Rivalry: Panelists discuss NFL and college football controversies (spitting incidents, brawls, “Deflategate” memories), intertwining tales of blue-collar sports obsession, gambling, and everyday rivalries.
• Texas Trooper Incident: A Texas police officer is booted from his coveted role at a college football game after an on-field altercation, sparking a conversation on police status and “knowing your place” in the sports world and beyond.
  • Lewis (92:02): “[That’s] a huge deal. Those dudes love that [sideline honor guard role].”

Personal Redemption Stories

• Canine’s Origin Story (110:23–119:29):
  • Formerly a drug user and dealer and known as “Mike’s cousin” (to host Mike, a cop), Canine narrates his transformation from the “bad kid” slyly hiding dope from police to clean, hard-working, and now a podcast personality on “Counterculture Ink Sports.”
  • With candor and humor, he details his recovery, blue collar commitment, and reflections on the difference in community acceptance around “weed versus coke,” and the everyday hazards of youthful hustling:
    • Canine (119:19): “I’m clean now. I’m four years sober on hard drugs… The drug days were rough. I used to be 120 pounds, a fiend. God bless.”
    • Lewis (122:04): “Great story. Great turnaround. I’ve never seen somebody… go from being a terrible, terrible kid to turning it around, becoming a family man.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Podcasting & Censorship:

  • Mike (14:07): "To say we can’t talk about [O’Neill]... is asinine. That's not—especially when you have people right next to them with different accounts."
  • Lewis (15:24): "It's like when you’re on the news, the government tells you this happened, you have to believe it."

• On War & Storytelling:

  • Lewis (18:21): "The fish might grow, but it's never a different species... It can't change that drastically."
  • Jimmy (19:43): "When I think back on combat... like, I can remember things in very sharp detail... but my wife's heard that story and it hasn't changed."
  • Wyatt (69:08): "[The] sunflowers stalks [get] speared through the radiator but it didn’t leak – the mud cemented to it!"

• On Online Drama:

  • Mike (34:11): “If you got an issue with someone, address it accordingly… Will Smith, leave my name out your mouth.”
  • Lewis (35:47): “If we have beef, let's handle it like men… there's nothing worse than bickering in comments and DMs.”

• On Ukraine’s Reality:

  • Wyatt (80:59): "If you’re coming for the money, get lost, don’t come."
  • Jimmy (78:34): “Sounds to me like the answer is no [to volunteering].”

• On Blue Collar Life & Recovery:

  • Canine (119:19): “I’m clean now. I’m four years sober on hard drugs… The drug days were rough. I used to be 120 pounds, a fiend. God bless.”

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Key Timestamps

• Opening & Sponsors: 00:30–03:43
• Show theme, Patreon, guest setup: 03:43–06:14
• Cold open banter, sports, and studio “burglary” bit: 07:57–12:00
• Background on Rob O’Neill lawsuit: 13:52–14:47
• Main First Amendment discussion: 14:06–15:24, 31:04–34:10
• Military podcast drama (Rob, Tig, Benghazi): 23:24–34:32
• Ukraine front line live report (Wyatt): 67:01–84:32
• Ukraine war meta for foreign fighters: 75:06–81:00
• Venezuela/conflict discussion: 62:34–66:07
• Sports/Police, spitting incident, and Deflategate: 88:46–97:51
• Origin story – Canine’s journey: 110:23–123:45

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Tone & Style

• Blunt, humorous, informal, and often self-deprecating.
• Hosts embrace “dark humor” typical of veteran and blue-collar camaraderie but make a strong stand on the necessity of open dialogue.
• Minimal self-censorship, with explicit language, inside jokes, and banter throughout.

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Final Note

This episode provides a raw, unfiltered look into the mind of America’s post-9/11, blue-collar veteran and first responder community—mixing personal redemption, skepticism of authority, and a relentless defense of free speech, all while keeping the atmosphere loose with sports controversies, war stories, and “family business.” The combination of hard truths, irreverence, and genuine support for each other and their community makes The Antihero Broadcast a unique listen for those inside—and outside—its subculture.

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For further details and full context, refer to the timestamps above.

Transcript

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[Lewis]

Yeah, it looks weird. And don't forget our Patreon for everybody. We get a lot of messages, a lot of dms. We try to answer them all, but Patreon gets first choice. So if you guys can join our Patreon, we're very active. We're doing specific special live events in Patreon only. And we appreciate it. Throw us five bucks. We'll take phone calls. We take video chat. We'll send you pics if you want them, whatever you want, but join the Patreon. And we appreciate the support in there from the Patreon crew.

[Mike]

Michael send you leg pics.

[Lewis]

They're not shaved right now, so I'm not gonna do it.

[Mike]

And of course, Mike forgot to mention the Thursday night broadcast.

[Lewis]

Oh, I did. Go ahead. You did? No, no, I was going to it.

[Mike]

Oh, you were going to.

[Lewis]

Don't forget, Thursday night is for the.

[Jimmy]

For the boys.

[Lewis]

For the boys. Thursdays for the boys. Every Thursday, 8 to 10. Video breakdown. Having some drinks, talking some. Having a good time. And last but not least, we have a special guest, canine, from our counterculture Sports Mondays tonight, live.

[Canine]

What's up, og?

[Lewis]

Tell them who you are. Tell them where to find you.

[Canine]

It's your boy canine.

[Mike]

I was gonna say, if you don't do that, I'm gonna be disappointed.

[Canine]

Oh, I'm gonna do it. Yes. We go live every Monday, 7pm Eastern, live on YouTube, on the counterculture podcast. If you're not on it, get on it. We talk sports. Mostly just sports, but, yeah, tune in every Monday. Thank you, Tyler.

[Mike]

You're good.

[Canine]

We're tuning. Tune in every Monday, 7pm Eastern. We go live, me and Sipo. Sibo and I, to be Grammarly.

[Lewis]

No, you don't do that. You say whatever you want.

[Mike]

Oh, you say whatever you want. We're trying to get away from the G word and the R word. Okay, but so what? What we've never done, so. You're a guest on today's show. What we've never done. Oh, Jimmy. Jimmy's in the back, by the way.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I'm here, too. Yeah, hey, I got all three names in the lawsuit.

[Lewis]

There he is. Tell us. Tell us the word of the day.

[Canine]

Interesting.

[Lewis]

Interesting. We had another catastrophe this morning with that monitor. Lewis, interestingly, slid into the last minute, pushed one button, and it was back to normal.

[Mike]

It's the. It's the gnomes that come in here when the lights are shut off. They mess everything up at night. I don't know what the happens. But also our merch is almost done. We've been talking about it.

[Wyatt]

Actually.

[Lewis]

It's real done. I just haven't.

[Mike]

I know. We're waiting on.

[Lewis]

I have it. No, I have the site. The merch is ready. I just got to log in and start uploading stuff again. In Patreon, if you're in Patreon specific, we can do custom orders, anything set on the show, any jokes. We can make those stickers, shirts, hats, hoodies immediately. I will have that up. By Thursday. It'll be done.

[Mike]

Nicole's five dollar Super Chat said. Good morning. This may seem random, but does anybody know the Bear score was yesterday.

[Jimmy]

Man, a woman after your own heart.

[Canine]

You know what's funny? Nicole tunes into my podcast and she is a legend on my podcast.

[Lewis]

Legend.

[Canine]

Everybody loves when she tunes in and comments. She has a lot of men that watch my podcast that love her as well. Nicole is a legend on my podcast that.

[Lewis]

That happens on a lot of podcasts. When a woman chimes in, all the men love her.

[Canine]

Yeah, Nicole is.

[Lewis]

Do you want to tell her the Bear score and what. What the outcome of the game was?

[Canine]

The Bears won by a last second field goal. I was watching it at my son's, not his birthday party, but one of the kids on his T ball team.

[Lewis]

We were.

[Canine]

I was watching the game on my phone and the Bears kicked a game winning field goal right at the end.

[Lewis]

They had trouble with that.

[Jimmy]

What was the. What was the final score?

[Canine]

Oh, gosh, I think it was 1919. Yeah, 1917. Bears are first in the NFC north for the first time in a while. Bear down, bear down, bear down. Nicole, I love you. And the Bears are in first. And it was great to see. I was watching it as they were singing Happy birthday to this kid. Shout out Grayson. He just turned five. And I start screaming and yelling yes. Because I thought he missed it. And then I see the referees go like this. So I start screaming and yelling. Everybody's like. They're singing Happy Birthday and they look at me like football, you know?

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Precedent over that.

[Canine]

Well, they thought it was because Grayson turned five, which was great, but.

[Mike]

You.

[Lewis]

Guys had some trouble with some field goals over the years, so that was the.

[Canine]

Yes. Yeah, let's not bring that up. Double doink. All right.

[Jimmy]

Cody Parky.

[Mike]

Well, yeah.

[Canine]

Oh, gosh, don't bring that up, please. Worst day of my life. But yeah. Bears one. We're first in the north. First time in a long time. One. 1917. Bear down.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Lewis]

Seven o'.

[Canine]

Clock.

[Lewis]

You're gonna Break it all down for everybody.

[Canine]

I'm gonna break it all down at 7 Eastern.

[Mike]

What we'll do in. And we're gonna get to your. A little bit later today, we're gonna get to your kind of your origin story, because I realize every time you're on, you're recapping sports and you're out. We've never really talked about, like, you're. Your background, how you got involved with us, anything like that.

[Lewis]

Right, yeah, we'll talk about that.

[Mike]

But, you know, there's. We're gonna have great show, lots of laughs, but there's something serious that happened I didn't tell you guys about.

[Lewis]

Oh, boy.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's not even the TIG thing. We'll get into that, too. So I didn't want to scare you guys, but the studio was burglarized over the weekend.

[Lewis]

There's only a few people with a key.

[Mike]

No, they broke in. Did you know that?

[Jimmy]

I didn't know that.

[Mike]

Yeah, they broke in. The. The problem is, is that it was weird because they stole. When I did the police report, they stole stuff that belonged to the studio at the LLC and the podcast in general. They didn't take anything of mine, so it's kind of like a weird, like, entity thing. But there was one witness. That person right there. And then. Did you know they still do police sketches?

[Lewis]

No. They do. They do.

[Jimmy]

They do.

[Lewis]

They're probably. AI gets involved.

[Mike]

They're in color now.

[Lewis]

All right.

[Mike]

Yeah. And I think. I don't know if AI has anything to do it. Lewis, there's a picture of the last known sketch of this person. If you could bring it up. That's the last known sketch of the person who burglarizes. Scoot Studio.

[Canine]

Looks a lot like that guy over there.

[Lewis]

It looks like somebody I know.

[Mike]

I can't figure out who this person is, but there was a case of C4 that was stolen out of our fridge, and we don't know where it's at. I went to go get a C4 Friday morning, and I was like, oh, my God, it's gone. You can take the picture down.

[Jimmy]

It was me, I think.

[Lewis]

Oh, it was you. It was me.

[Jimmy]

I have it at the house.

[Mike]

What happened?

[Jimmy]

I thought. Miscommunication. I thought that was for me because he knew I like C4. Totally.

[Canine]

My bad.

[Jimmy]

I'll return it. Only one is taken.

[Lewis]

That's the best. It's on me. Pull the sketch back up. Hey, pull the sketch back up.

[Canine]

What flavor was.

[Lewis]

Anybody with AI capabilities can make that sketch come to Life. We will pay you money. Like, make it move. They make a talk and move like a South park character.

[Mike]

Please, Please.

[Jimmy]

Okay.

[Clint]

All right.

[Jimmy]

That's on me. That's my bad.

[Lewis]

I didn't know about this, by the way. That's pretty good.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Like, look at my face. Look at how red my face is right now.

[Mike]

I had somebody. The person I had made the sketch goes, yeah. I mean, they're just a graphic artist. They're like, you know, you want me to, like, do a real sketch of them? He's like, do you want me to do them dirty? I was like, do them dirty.

[Jimmy]

Where my.

[Lewis]

Where my head goes now is. We're not. If we're not getting us all sketched like that and turning this into some type of animated series. We. We are. You say I'm the ideas fairy. I am telling you, between Clint calling in. In AI and that and us recreated in some type of drawing like that, we're missing the boat.

[Mike]

Yeah. Let's recap real quick before we get into the topic.

[Jimmy]

Jimmy wasn't even watching.

[Mike]

He was texting on his phone the whole time. I'm sitting here like, is this guy gonna look at the.

[Lewis]

No, I was looking.

[Jimmy]

I was just sitting, like, what the man? Oh, dude, I.

[Lewis]

What'd the police say?

[Mike]

That is C4 is a civil issue.

[Lewis]

Oh, okay.

[Jimmy]

So sue me for 25 million. Yeah, I'll bring it. I'll bring him back.

[Mike]

I'll bring him back. No, you're good, man. It was just. It was funny.

[Lewis]

That's pretty good. Sketch is unreal.

[Jimmy]

I left a beer.

[Mike]

You did leave the beer. We'll say that I drank them.

[Lewis]

No, you didn't even get them. Different one.

[Jimmy]

Different ones. It's. I.

[Lewis]

They were like.

[Mike]

They were like, not custom beer. What do you call that beer? That's like a.

[Jimmy]

It's Hawaiian beer.

[Mike]

Hawaii.

[Lewis]

Microbrewery.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That type beer.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Recapping on the week, not much without going into the full. Not going into the full tig thing in the o' Neill stuff, but yeah.

[Lewis]

Yeah, it's a pretty interesting hole to go down.

[Mike]

Yeah, we will.

[Jimmy]

What's.

[Lewis]

I mean, him posting on his own story and contradicting his own interview. What'd he do? He posted a story. Yeah, I posted on my story. I just shared his story. I don't know if you can sue me for that, but he went to the Navy SEAL Museum in San Diego, and he liked real low quality, recorded the moving stick figure, like, recreation that.

[Mike]

They have at the museum.

[Lewis]

Yeah. And it was really Hard to hear it. But it like recorded it and it said this was I went to the Seal museum, blah, blah. Then he basically summed it up that museums only put the truth in there inside. And I said, well, there's a museum about landing on the moon. So I don't know that believe that. But he was justifying his story. And this is a. And look, I don't know, maybe I added the lawsuit. I don't care. The more you try to defend something like, I don't. There's a bizarre story. It was a post. It was a bizarre post to like say I went to a museum, I saw something that I did, or you know, and there's a controversy. So I recorded this and made a really bad reel. It was real hard to hear it. It was terrible. But it's like, like, Jimmy, Jimmy's not gonna. Or he took the C4. He's not gonna make 30 excuses in a video about taking the C4.

[Jimmy]

I'm gonna come right after.

[Lewis]

Like, there's no way around that he did it. Like that happened. There's no disputing it. There's no need to re. It's like 10 years from now, Jimmy trying to tell her, like, I definitely took the seat. Like, I don't understand the over explanation. Like, people come me all the time. I was investigated, I was demoted. I'm like, yep, yep, yep, tick tock.

[Mike]

Yep, yep.

[Lewis]

You can. I talked about it on 70 episodes. Simple. I'm not gonna go, well, this is why it happened.

[Jimmy]

I went to a call and I did this and that.

[Lewis]

No, I.

[Mike]

Right.

[Lewis]

You got like, I did like that's it. So it's. It's just odd that still this month was it May 2, 2012, 2011.

[Jimmy]

May 1 into May 2, 2011, 2011. It's been 14 years, dude.

[Mike]

Well, the. My big thing is that with this whole lawsuit, it's the. Our first amendment is under attack.

[Lewis]

Yes.

[Mike]

By. By Rob o' Neill right now. We've already talked about it a million times and I'm not going to defer not talking about the lawsuit because it's the most frivolous lawsuit I've ever seen. The guy. There are stories and I'll post them eventually. There's YouTubes, there's articles. Well before, years before anti hero brought this up. This is one of the most controversial things in our culture, in the military culture. This is what we're talking about right now. And to say that we can't talk about Rob's other than Rob's story is asinine it's asinine. That's not.

[Lewis]

Especially when you have people that were standing next to them that have a completely different account.

[Mike]

The people there were saying, this is not how it went down. So again, the. Because what happens is when podcasters talk, this will. This would. It won't. It would have set a precedence of you can't talk about certain things. And then the reason why people watch podcasts is because it's not controlled by the mainstream media.

[Lewis]

Correct.

[Mike]

But if something like this were to happen to a podcast, no podcast on earth would cover anything like that anymore.

[Lewis]

This is like. This is like when you're on the news, the government tells you this happened. You have to believe it. And you're not allowed to. Like, what's going on in, like, Europe right now. You can't post against the government. They come to your door. So you're telling me that you have this incident and there's questions about it. It's not like we all saw it on tv. Like, I joke, the moon landing. What is what it is. We all did see it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Somebody's on our ring camera. Can we. Can we pull that image up? Lewis, somebody's on our ring camera right now.

[Mike]

Let's see. It's better be good.

[Canine]

The ring camera outside.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lewis]

Look, there he is. That Buzz.

[Mike]

Is Buzz Aldrin here?

[Lewis]

We're done. We messed that one up anyway.

[Mike]

I mean, that's all right. We'll pull it back up.

[Lewis]

Gotta plan that one out. Where did he go anyway? So anyway, it's like, yes, it's. It's. You're. You're almost suppressing, like, the ability to talk about something that. Again, Brent Tucker, Tyler Hoover did not wake up one morning, go, you know what? We're gonna defame and discredit this dude. We'll just. Just pick a guy, we'll go through the book, ruin his life. That guy, the drunk guy, the. Yells slurs sometimes. Or maybe you're allegedly did.

[Mike]

Yeah, we're gonna.

[Lewis]

We're gonna pick him and go, well, let's pick on him. It already had started and people had already talked about it. And it's very funny that in conjunction with our thumbnail, that then you get these group of guys that gang up and they limit their contact.

[Jimmy]

Well, remember. Remember that those guys from Benghazi really don't like Brent.

[Lewis]

No.

[Mike]

Yeah, we'll get into that.

[Lewis]

But so anyway. Yeah, you're right. Free speech is. And. And they're calling it for people that.

[Mike]

I can't see what we're looking. Is that what we're looking at right now?

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Okay, look, here he is, Buzz Aldrin.

[Lewis]

He's on our ranking. So he's coming to sue us too.

[Canine]

Right.

[Mike]

And we made that real. We made a joke. Like, you know, like these people, like, we talked about the moon land and we said it didn't happen. Are you. Is Buzz Aldrin, at 91 years old gonna sue us?

[Lewis]

Well, you go into. On his own page, on. On his own page, he has people saying the same thing. No, Rob o', Neill, you didn't do it. There's a lot. But they filter their comment. I know they do. And then his buddy that attacked us over the weekend or you. They allow only people. They want their comments to be seen. And what I said before was if you go defendant page, like Northern Provisions posted the lawsuit in those places, it was very opposite. It's always going to be debated. It's always going to be argued. But the fact that you guys brought. I think he did a lot too. There was like an expert on here.

[Mike]

Yeah. So the Robin hill expert, episode 37, we had a deception expert break down all Rob's contradict because Rob, his interviews, they. I'm sorry, they contradict each other. His own interview.

[Lewis]

Correct.

[Mike]

Throughout time, you know, Brent always said the hardest thing about, you know, keeping up with a lie is telling the same story or something like that. Like it's. It's.

[Lewis]

It.

[Mike]

He said things like, here's the thing.

[Lewis]

My wife broke this down, so I'm gonna do my best to cover it. The way she said, when you have a critical incident like that, and I can remember almost every single massive critical incident where I almost shot somebody at work or when I was in something crazy. You pretty. That's pretty much burned in your. That's our PTSD that's burned into our existence. There may be little things, like the guy I was. That I had my gun pointed out was. Definitely had it. You know, I know he had a yellow shirt. I looked at him. I looked in his eyes. Maybe there's a guy behind him.

[Mike]

I don't remember.

[Lewis]

His shirt was blue or green. But there was another guy there. But the core part of that I remember the closest I ever came to shoot somebody was a guy with a machete in a parking lot. And I can take you to that day and I can tell the story. I'll tell if you want, today and in 10 years, you can ask me that story again. I will tell it, and you can see if there's any variation of what happened that day. Because it's so ingrained in my head that I remember everything. I remember the bike, the sound of him slowing, the bike breakdown. I remember him turning with the machete and me backing up all of it where I was at in front of five guys sandwich shop. Like it was a burglary call. Like everything about that call I can tell you. And that was in 2018. That was like almost 10 years, eight years ago. Like so it, I remember it. I can remember another call in Felsmere five or six years earlier where a guy had a gun and I thought I was gonna shoot him. Like those critical incidents are burned in my head and I can remember everything about it. And it's not going to change if I tell it to you today, tomorrow or in the month.

[Jimmy]

I, I mean like I, when I think back on things that I did in combat, I mean like I can remember some things in very sharp detail, but like faces I, I couldn't describe the face of the, you know, the kid that I had to shoot in the war. I, I can remember what he was wearing, I can remember where he was standing. I can remember all of that. But like, but if you've asked my, my wife has heard that story and it has not changed. So to Mike's point, that's exactly right. Like there, I mean I can't imagine. And I've gone into rooms with bad guys getting ready to kill all of us, like when we were ready to fight. And I can't imagine going into a room and having complete clarity on the face. I'm always looking at eyes and hands. Always.

[Lewis]

My version of this fish story is the fish might grow, but it's never a different species. Yeah, if you caught a bass, you caught a bass and it got bigger, but you didn't catch a trout. The next time you tell the story or you didn't catch it can't change that drastically that how many people that. And I'm not saying anybody lied. I'm saying hypothetically in a story that I'm telling about myself and I've seen cops embellishment, little details, but it's never like think about when we officer involved shooting. Every dude in that shooting gets debriefed. They write a statement. Can you imagine if one statement that you wrote was the sky was green and the guy had four eyes and three guns. And I wrote the guy, this guy was blue, he had two guns and five eyes and they're like, you guys were three feet from the same guy.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

How did that change so much. We would not be able to. We wouldn't be able to leave that day until the investigators kept asking us to clarify because we're so far off about what happened.

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it's. It's there. He has to prove so many things in a defamatory case.

[Lewis]

Defamation.

[Mike]

Defamation. I'm a.

[Lewis]

Like, Jason talked about. Like, I know we're beating it, but we're keep.

[Mike]

Oh, man. I said, I caught you. We're gonna get.

[Lewis]

We're actually.

[Mike]

We're gonna get into the R word. What. Not only is our free speech under attack by people like Rob o', Neill, who decided to sue the anti Air podcast and all of his entities for just telling one side of the story, but now we have some guy named Tig in everybody's comments, coming at me, coming at me and challenging my Christianity, challenging me, saying, we took food. He's. What he's doing is he's laying the framework and the verbiage to. For a lawsuit. He's saying that they. They took speaking engagements away from me.

[Clint]

They.

[Mike]

They took money from my table or my wallet. They took food from my table and all of this. I have no idea who you are. I don't. I know Brent talked about the Benghazi stuff a couple times. I don't f. I don't watch many podcasts. I don't follow the soft drum. Even though he wasn't soft. He was a Marine. He would. I know that he was one of the four guys at Benghazi. Right. That's all I know about him.

[Lewis]

I think he followed me once and then unfollowed me.

[Mike]

And then I forgot about it because, you know, I don't know their names. And then all of a sudden, some guy trying to make. So what you can't do is that you can't get rid of podcasts. And you can't. You can't on podcasts for doing this and then try to use podcasts to boost your. Your.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Fame. Because what he's doing is he. I guess it looks like he kind of fell off the fucking. Like no one cares.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And now he's in people's comments talking about me.

[Lewis]

And.

[Mike]

Yeah, I called him an R word in the comments because he is. But I don't know who he is.

[Lewis]

And then, very interestingly, he comes into the comments, argues, but on his own page, his comments are limited. So you can't.

[Clint]

You can't.

[Lewis]

You can't rebut. Are you raising your hand?

[Canine]

Good.

[Jimmy]

No.

[Mike]

Jimmy's in the back way.

[Lewis]

Put them. He's like this for, like, four minutes.

[Jimmy]

No, no, dude, you got. You told me, like, hey, if you got something to say, say. Yeah, so here's. Here's my issue with. With these two guys. With a couple of them, hey, you know who you are? When I went to whips training, you trained me, and you told me that I was pretty squared away. I have never said anything bad about you, Tig, or any of the other.

[Mike]

Well, he didn't talk about you.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I. I know, but, like, well, he probably did. Like, I am limited now. Like, he. I can't even. I can't even, like, reach out to a guy who I don't know.

[Mike]

Well, I'm asking you.

[Jimmy]

On Instagram, I'm limited.

[Mike]

Oh, on the comments.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

No, what he does is.

[Canine]

He doesn't.

[Mike]

There's a setting on Instagram where if you both have to follow each other and then they can comment.

[Jimmy]

Okay, so I was like, bro, like. Like, you were there. Like, you thought I was a pretty squared away guy in 2028, but.

[Mike]

Well, he. 2028 or 2018, rather. Yeah, he doesn't. I mean, to say that he remembers somebody that went through one of his courses is probably a stretch. If I don't remember who he was, I highly doubt he remembers anybody from.

[Jimmy]

What I'm trying to do is jog his memory, partner. I'm trying to go, like, hey, dude, do you remember me? Do you remember, like, I went to your course? Like, remember I was doing whips? You remember? We had, like.

[Mike]

Well, I'm saying, statistically speaking, if you taught class.

[Clint]

I know.

[Mike]

Over and over for years, he's probably gonna go, you look like a regular guy.

[Jimmy]

I. I do look like a regular. I am a regular guy.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Canine]

So.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

You know, it's just. It's so sad to me that it's like, hey, dude, in 2018, we had a really good interaction, and I thought you were awesome, and I really appreciated it. And I'm not talking about Tig. I'm actually talking about somebody else, but now talking about. I. I don't want to.

[Mike]

I thought you were talking about Tig this whole time.

[Jimmy]

No, I'm talking about some of the guys from Benghazi that were at Benga. Oz.

[Mike]

Oh, I got you.

[Canine]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

Okay. And I'm going, come on, dude. Did I not make it clear?

[Lewis]

No, you didn't.

[Canine]

No, not at all.

[Clint]

Okay.

[Lewis]

You raised your hand and then started.

[Mike]

I know.

[Lewis]

You threw me off in the middle of so the conversation. All right, let's bring it back.

[Jimmy]

All right, so let's sharpen it up here. Some of the guys that went to Benghazi, I actually did. I went to courses with where they were instructors, where they were. And we were talking about the story. I mean, they were all over the news at that point. And now it's like, now we're the bad guy. Like, bro, like, first of all, crushing my Christianity. You and I had a great conversation about Christianity.

[Mike]

Did he question yours?

[Jimmy]

Yours? Yeah, question yours.

[Lewis]

Like, I'm confused. How did you get involved, like, Howard?

[Mike]

Okay. Did he come at you? That's what we're asking.

[Jimmy]

No, I tried to comment. I tried to reach out to him. I tried to reach out to him on Instagram.

[Canine]

My bad.

[Mike]

I thought. I was thinking you had, like, engagement.

[Jimmy]

No, I tried to reach out to him on Instagram. I tried to message him on his page. I tried to.

[Mike]

Oh, we can't even message him. I can't.

[Jimmy]

And I'm like, bro, what the dude? Like, I. I actually was a guy that. You know, some of the skill set that I have is because of you, and I sure appreciate it. But, like, why the.

[Canine]

Why.

[Jimmy]

Why are we all getting left out here? Why don't you want to hear my side of the story?

[Mike]

Well, it.

[Canine]

It.

[Mike]

So the thing with Tig is that, like I said, I. I don't know if he's just using this as a grab to. To kind of like, you know, jump on the exposure train. You know, Rob gets to do it because he filed the lawsuit. We get to do it because we were sued. Tig has this guy named Tig. He has. No.

[Lewis]

Did you guys ever cover Benghazi?

[Mike]

So Brent Tucker, I guess, at one point said something about Benghazi, because if I. If I remember correctly, somebody from Benghazi went on Sean Ryan show. Was it Tig or.

[Jimmy]

Oh, no, it was. It was Tonto.

[Mike]

I can't even keep these guys straight. Tonto. Yeah, and somebody on Delta Force.

[Jimmy]

Yes, that was episode. So that. So here's the issue with the. The Benghazi guys, okay? And bear in mind, this is all alleged. I wasn't there. All I know is what.

[Mike]

I'm covering the news. Covering the news.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, we're covering the news.

[Mike]

Covering topics.

[Jimmy]

So the gun. The. The gunfight lasts for 13 hours. The Delta Force shows up. One of the people within the Delta Force that supposedly showed up was somebody that's close to the podcast. We won't say who. It's not Brent Tucker and the Delta Force, once they were there and they were charged with getting rid of all the. The classified material and everything else. That was why they were there.

[Mike]

That's. That's why. That's like.

[Jimmy]

That's why that the two guys from Delta Force were there, okay. When that happened.

[Mike]

They're.

[Jimmy]

They're inside the talk. They're trying to, like, pull out computers and, you know, all of the sensitive stuff that they need to get, you know, either demoing it or putting it in bags for leaving. Because it's CIA, we don't want to leave that on the objective. While that happened. An indirect attack happened on the. The CIA, right? Yeah. So mortars landed on the CIA annex. I think approximately three mortars were fired on. All of them hit the target, which, if you've ever been fired at by indirect.

[Mike]

That's right.

[Jimmy]

That's. They. They almost never hit the target. So these guys were good and they knew exactly what they were shooting at. One of the guys was wounded. One of the Benghazi operators was wounded.

[Mike]

One of the four.

[Jimmy]

One of the four, a guy named Glenn Bub Doherty was killed and a guy named Tyrone woods was killed. Both were Navy SEALs. Both were, by all accounts, super squared away. Badass dudes is absolutely a guy you'd want to go to a gunfight with. Well, the. Now we've got a mass cal on the top of this roof, and the only way up is an aluminum ladder. Okay, well, if we just took indirect. I mean, they teach all of us the same thing. Like, if you just took indirect, probably don't stay there, get off the objective, like, move, you know, 12 o', clock, 300 meters. Let's go. We're going to get off this place where we just got hit from. So they wanted to get the bodies real quick.

[Wyatt]

Where.

[Mike]

Just so we can jump ahead of anything. Where this. Are you. Is this just common knowledge? Because I'm asking. Because I'm asking because I don't know the story in detail.

[Jimmy]

Okay.

[Mike]

I know generally what happened. I've seen the movie. I've. I've heard the stories. But you're going into great detail. And I want everybody to know. Is this common knowledge or is this research you've done?

[Jimmy]

So this is a conglomeration of all three. Three. So it's stuff that I've done or stuff that I've researched myself, people that I talked to that were there, and just the. The books and the media accounts, including the movies, that all pretty much paint roughly the same picture, with the exception of what I'm about to go into and why the Delta Force may not be seen in very.

[Mike]

All right, well, yeah, let's hold off on that. That can be another topic because we're getting off subject.

[Jimmy]

I'm so sorry.

[Mike]

No, you're good. But anyways, Tig or somebody. Tonto went. One of the teas went on Sean Ryan show.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And said something about the Delta Force. I don't know. This is how much I don't know what's going on. I think that was before Brent Tucker said on this show. Well, then, if you want to call us out, it was essential. I'm paraphrasing. But he. And he kind of hinted that the Benghazi story wasn't the story. The narrative that we know isn't true. Right. That's the only thing that was said about Benghazi was Brent kind of hinting at something. Right. And I would. I would love for Tig to show where this podcast. Defame them or slam them or.

[Lewis]

Come on.

[Jimmy]

Well, that was what I was going.

[Mike]

To get to, is that.

[Lewis]

Talk to us.

[Mike]

This is a formal invitation for Tig to come on. We'll bring in remote. And, you know, from what it sounds like, it's. It's not going to be a pleasant, you know, a pleasant conversation, but we're not. We're going to let you talk, and I want you to tell me where I said anything defamatory about you.

[Lewis]

Yeah. And that's where I look at this. I mean, obviously, with Brent here, there was a different aspect of this podcast, and I don't. I didn't watch all those episodes.

[Jimmy]

I'm.

[Lewis]

This is my opinion, is that you don't have that information. You don't know anything about Special Ops and seals and all that. You were kind of the along for the ride, and now you're. He's gone, you're here. And now the show kind of has that fog about it. We're trying to go in a different direction. We got sued as we were trying to go in a different direction. And now all the comments I see about you are all, this guy's a piece of. He was this. He was throwing these guys on the bus. This guy's that. Like, we're really trying to get away from that. And now we're kind of defending our. You're defending yourself from stuff that you really didn't have much knowledge about that was talked about on the show.

[Canine]

That talked about.

[Lewis]

Maybe you interjected your opinion or allowed to keep going.

[Mike]

Yeah, but I allowed the conversation to keep going. I didn't allow anything, you know, inventory.

[Lewis]

To keep doing point where we're trying to go to, like, what we did this weekend with charities and first responder help and all that kind of stuff. We're trying to get away from this drama, but now it's like Robin Hill puts us in the press. Now everybody start. Oh, let me get a little press, too, and let me, you know, accuse these guys.

[Mike]

And that's what it is, is that that's exactly what he's doing. He's trying to ride the coattails of this press train.

[Lewis]

That's what I dislike. I don't know the guy. I don't know about him any.

[Jimmy]

I actually. I mean, I actually interacted with this guy for several days as Tig.

[Mike]

Tig.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. And a couple of the other ones.

[Lewis]

Okay.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Lewis]

So, like, I think he followed me at one point and we were fine. Like, I remember. I believe. And he's a Marine. Like, I have no problem. I mean, Marine sit on the couch all the time. We like military guys.

[Jimmy]

You can make. You can make the argument that he doesn't remember me, but when you're at a nobody, which I was, was just a sniper who came out of the army, and you're going to meet guys that have been on multiple times on Fox News and everything else and have a movie and have a book, like, I know who.

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Of course you do.

[Canine]

And.

[Jimmy]

And I'm going like, hey, dude, like. Like, we talked about a lot of things. Like, come on, bro. Like, the guys that you're talking to in here are actually not your enemies. We. We were your friends not that long ago, and we still are. And we've never said anything bad about, you know, one time.

[Mike]

Yeah, if he. Listen, man, if you got a. An issue with somebody, address it accordingly, because it shouldn't be me, because I don't even know who the you are. But I am extending an invite for you to come on and air your grievances with the anti hero podcast or anybody sitting here. If anybody's sitting at this table or that table or that table over there, if you don't have a problem with them, then what's Will Smith say? Leave my name out of your mouth. Like.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I mean, but we.

[Jimmy]

I.

[Lewis]

It'll be like, just peaceful. If you want to come on and talk and say, like, we're gonna have a response, but I don't have a problem if maybe we're. Maybe we're off on something. Maybe this got jacked up for no reason.

[Mike]

Yeah. And I mean, I'll be clear this Ain't here to tell your. Your story. This is here for you to address how I have to do with some kind of defaming you, dude. Like, I. That. That's what it's going to be about. And then eventually if you go, okay, yeah, you know, you. It wasn't you guys. It was somebody else or it was you guys. If it ends accordingly. Yeah. Come be a guest on the show. Hang out and.

[Canine]

What.

[Mike]

What's up, Jimmy?

[Jimmy]

No, I'm just showing. This is my. I got a clip for you.

[Mike]

I can't focus.

[Jimmy]

I'm so sorry.

[Lewis]

When you're in the background doing this, it's tough.

[Jimmy]

I'm trying, dude. I'm. I'm literally trying to.

[Lewis]

You have a microphone.

[Jimmy]

I know, but I don't want to interrupt.

[Mike]

You're.

[Lewis]

You're good at it. Come on.

[Jimmy]

You're pretty good at it, too.

[Lewis]

I paid a lot of money to be good at it. Yeah, I did.

[Mike]

Anyways. Yeah. So, I mean, we're trying to leave the. The toxicity and. And I've dropped a reel about us. And it was kind of talking about how we're trying to leave the toxic nature of this industry. And I made a real. And actually Jimmy made a really good comment to somebody and said he was sitting there talking back, and I was like, listen, man, I could turn the script and be like, your comments. Toxic calling. Yeah.

[Lewis]

That's why I try to stay out of the comments on Instagram, because I say over and over, nobody's really reading the other person's comment at that point. It's. How can I be shitty back? And it becomes. That's why I like this little button up there. It says present, Present or invite. And we can click that button, we can send you a link, and you can absolutely come right on and you can talk to us. And that's what I think we're trying to get this show to go to is remote guests coming in. And also, if we have beef, like, let's handle like men. Like, there's nothing worse than trying to bicker in comments and argue in DMs. Like, let's just talk.

[Mike]

Unless you're just trying to ride coattails.

[Lewis]

I'm trying to be nice at all, dude.

[Mike]

Start accusing me of, you know, put your money where your mouth is, dude.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I'm a little more. Less. Less aggressive. I'm passive. Yeah, I'd rather talk about it.

[Mike]

Well, I mean, like. Yeah, I mean, we talked about. I mean, dude, we dropped. We went. So we went to St. Petersburg on Saturday. Did A live show for non profit Warrior.

[Lewis]

Operation Warrior Shield.

[Mike]

Operation Warrior Shield. Right. And they're just. They're a great organization. They're brand new. They asked us to come help out. We had a blast. We had a great time. And we talked about somebody and I clipped just. I clipped just the.

[Lewis]

It was very good.

[Mike]

I took the name out of it, but I clipped, you know, and Everybody in the YouTube short was like, who is he talking about? Who is he talking about? Who is he talking about? Because they want to know. And it's like, it wasn't the name of the person. I wasn't trying to explain. I'm talking about.

[Lewis]

And you actually, by doing that, you like, almost like an olive branch, like, you would acknowledge that somebody that has been a hot topic of the show actually affected somebody's life in a very, very positive way. Yeah, I mean, that dude meeting Gravy there was the first time I met him, great dude. Just, just. And he stuck up for the guy. He said, hey, like, I know he's done some things, but without that dude, I don't know that I'm standing here right now.

[Mike]

Jimmy, you said you saw the same video that he was talking about, kind of like a motivational video, like 10 years ago.

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis]

Pushed away.

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean.

[Lewis]

What'S unbelievable that you got the microphone pushed away. Well, I don't want to interrupt, man. Dude, this is supposed to be a fun show, dude, like, literally.

[Jimmy]

I know.

[Lewis]

Okay, okay.

[Jimmy]

I'm having fun.

[Lewis]

No, you don't look like you're having fun. But that's just me.

[Mike]

I'm having fun. I'm having fun.

[Lewis]

It's about to be real fun. It'll get fun. Trust me.

[Canine]

Okay. Yeah.

[Mike]

But anyways, you saw the same video I did, Gravy Sock. So you were able to kind of like, shed light on what he was talking about.

[Jimmy]

I did. Yeah. Tim Kennedy has some really great things to say. And if you just said he was a Green Beret and a guy who fought in mma, fighting, usc, he would.

[Mike]

Have all been a great book.

[Jimmy]

I mean, that's a great book. That's a great, great way to go. Hey, man, let me. Let me encourage you. Let me motivate you. You know, you can do this. Blah, blah, blah.

[Mike]

And what.

[Jimmy]

And what Gravy said was absolutely fantastic, and I. I completely appreciated it. What I think Brent was talking about was like, hey, dude, you didn't need to embellish all this other stuff, and you could have still gotten your point across. Yeah. And. And that's unfortunate. Because it diminished his actually good message.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I mean, but in what we shed light on is, man, it sucks. It sucks. But at the end of the day, when he, he, he. This what he was helped so many people. And yeah, there was some bad, but I, I. The way I look at things is like, hey, you know, there's some negativity. There's some pop culture stuff in there, but would. Would the good have come without the bad?

[Lewis]

And those stories, when did. I don't know any for. I don't know anything about Tim Kennedy other than he was an MMA fighter. And like, like, when did that come out? Like, when did he start the first books or when. You know when that was?

[Jimmy]

Let me look. Okay.

[Lewis]

Because I know what I'm getting at is like, I don't think just like everything else, nobody anticipated Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and, like, the amount of people that we're gonna think about.

[Mike]

Like, like when you do a podcast.

[Lewis]

2014, nobody heard it, nobody knew it, nobody heard it.

[Jimmy]

But now people.

[Lewis]

You made a post, but what do they do now? They go back and find that how many people have been dropped the N word back on Twitter in 2012, 2013?

[Mike]

They did.

[Lewis]

Oh, yeah. Thought that it was gone. And then these dudes dig it up.

[Jimmy]

And go, so his book came out in 2022.

[Canine]

Really?

[Jimmy]

And then a year later is when the Tim Kennedy episode started dropping.

[Lewis]

So he didn't publish anything until then. And then everybody went, bro, what are you talking about?

[Mike]

I think that was one of Brent's main arguments is that, you know, you had 10 years to kind of figure out the truth, and he published it, and it wasn't published in 2012. You had his.

[Jimmy]

His. His ODA commander on.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, it was a commander.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

I think it was a. He was a captain, right? He was a Timmy.

[Lewis]

Very likable. Yeah, yeah, he's very likable.

[Mike]

And that's the other guy.

[Lewis]

Isn't Rob the other guy? I'm not getting sued with you guys. The other guy.

[Mike]

Yeah, I, Man, I, I did Rob. Doubling down just blows my mind. But yeah, the.

[Jimmy]

The.

[Mike]

The toxic nature of everything, again, has brought positivity.

[Lewis]

Tim kind of apologized too, right? Quasi. Something like maybe.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And then people were. Here's the thing. He apologized, and people were picking apart saying, It's 95 AI.

[Lewis]

He did it. It's as bad as the drawing up there. At least it's something, right? He did it.

[Mike]

He.

[Lewis]

He said it. I mean, I mean, it's worth better than AI and ads for products.

[Mike]

Oh, gosh. Anyways, Looking at updates, Epstein's emails. What is. We'll leave the. We'll leave. I don't. What I don't want is Daddy Trump.

[Wyatt]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah, we'll leave the graphic. We'll leave the graphic stuff out of it. But emails came out now indicating that Trump has more to do with it than they already. Like, more emails came out since our last one.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, man. It's so, I mean, like, dude, this doesn't even, like. I mean, you, you would struggle to, like, put this on, like, pornhub and make it a video. I mean, so graphic. Yeah. Like, reading this.

[Mike]

Where are these emails coming?

[Lewis]

I haven't seen them.

[Mike]

So, like, are they, are they being released?

[Jimmy]

They're coming from the House Oversight Committee. And remember that the House Oversight Committee is not exactly a fan of, of President Trump.

[Mike]

What's the House Oversight Committee?

[Jimmy]

They're the ones that also.

[Mike]

Representatives.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So it's the Congress. They're the ones that are supposed to, like, look at you for, like, ethics and morality. I mean, you're all insider trading, so I don't know if you guys are doing your job, but they're not fans of Trump. They're not. And I, I have to go look again to see who is in charge of the House Oversight Committee. But they're basically, like, slow rolling. The release of a lot of the emails that. And they're, they're pretty much all bad for Trump. One of them has him in a pretty compromising situation with former President Clinton. It's. It's bad. And I mean it. What it really does, I think. And the most important thing is it sort of sheds light on the fact that this was not about human trafficking. Epstein, he was not a human trafficker. He was there to blackmail people in power. That's what it appears to be. And so, you know, the stuff that's.

[Mike]

Coming out by the deep state, like, he was a member. Like, the deep state used him.

[Jimmy]

I don't.

[Mike]

Allegedly. Tinfoil hats, everyone.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I don't think we can.

[Canine]

I don't.

[Jimmy]

I, I. It looks to me like he was a, an outside entity. And that's as much as I'm gonna say on air. It looks to me like he was an outside entity that was not involved with the government of the United States.

[Mike]

Oh, let's start with an I.

[Lewis]

There was another email, like, talking about Trump. Epstein maybe being Thanksgiving, eating Thanksgiving with Trump.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Was like, back in the day, like, not that far back in the day, but yes. Like, I'm gonna Know, in the White House. It was during his first term. It said something about, I'll be at the White House, I'll be with Trump for Thanksgiving.

[Jimmy]

So I think that was the next point.

[Lewis]

First.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

First Thanksgiving in the White House.

[Jimmy]

So. So Trump had. I mean, I may be mixing two stories, but Trump had. What's his name, Kanye over.

[Mike]

I do remember that.

[Jimmy]

And Kanye brought some of his boys. One of them was Nick Fuentes. And. And so they were like, hey, you had. Did. He's like, I didn't even know who that guy was at the time. I just, Just brought Kanye over. I was watching the interview with that about him this morning.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

So, I mean, it's, It's. There's so much controversy around all this.

[Mike]

Like, I just don't understand how are certain emails coming out and some aren't.

[Lewis]

Well, and then you don't know what to believe, because I watched the. The night after they agreed to the shutdown, Sunday night, I watched a Republican congressman walk out, go on Twitter and say, I've made a motion to up to release all the files. And the Democrats blocked it. So it's like, you never know who to believe. And they just keep throwing mud back and forth and it's, you know, I think it's distractionary to something else. Everybody kind of agrees that it's always, always. And then I guess Marguerite Marjorie Tilly Green. And yeah, she's gone at it. She went on the View and he just. Yes, she went on the View.

[Jimmy]

I know. He destroyed. It's in.

[Mike]

It's nuts.

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Mike]

Hey, what's the. No, real quick, what's the number?

[Lewis]

772. 217. And I'm gonna forget the rest, so. Hold on.

[Mike]

We have a. Another Ukraine correspondent that one might call in. They're seven hours ahead of us. Damn Ukraine. You would know. You're dressed for the part.

[Jimmy]

It looks like he's getting ready to shoot down my Super Hornet. This is the body.

[Canine]

This is a Guido Jumps.

[Mike]

What was it like chasing Olin Wilson through the woods?

[Canine]

Listen, I just got done with season two. Now the Sopranos.

[Lewis]

5453, 772, 217. 5453. Clint knows it.

[Mike]

You can keep going.

[Canine]

I'm. I'm 20, I think Italian, so I'm allowed to wear this jumpsuit.

[Mike]

How many times have you seen the Sopranos?

[Canine]

I just finished season two, so the jumpsuit had to come out full force. And, you know, it is what it is. I. I feel like I'm, you know, good Enough to wear this. I'm. I'm g to the bone.

[Mike]

So what's it. What's your. What's your take on Peaky Blinders? I want everybody's take on that. You ever watch Peaky Blinders?

[Lewis]

Oh, what?

[Jimmy]

Imminently quotable. That's my take.

[Canine]

I was born in 1995, so I don't know if that.

[Mike]

It's a Netflix show. It came, like, five years ago.

[Canine]

I was kicked off Netflix. I was on my mom's account, so.

[Lewis]

He'S never been back.

[Canine]

When Netflix changed, I haven't been able to get back on it, and I. I have.

[Lewis]

Anybody could share their password with canine. Please put it. Please put in the chat.

[Canine]

Yeah, Nicole, I know you're still there.

[Lewis]

Nicole, super chat. Every money for the Netflix.

[Canine]

I also need a super chat for a new laugh.

[Lewis]

You're probably smart, though.

[Canine]

Am I smart?

[Lewis]

You don't spend, like. I probably have, like, 19 subscriptions.

[Mike]

Yeah, you don't even know, peacock.

[Clint]

This one.

[Lewis]

That one, I don't even know.

[Canine]

I wouldn't say I'm smart. I mean, I'm a manual labor guy. Blue collar to the bone.

[Lewis]

What happened to your laptop?

[Canine]

Okay, hold on. The laptop crashed last week. On Monday, during the podcast, Shout out to anybody who watched it. I'm sorry. I need a new laptop. I think I bought it off Facebook Marketplace, and the guy I bought it from here kind of looked like a sketchy guy. I don't know if he was watching animal porn on it or looking up conspiracy Illuminati theories. Who knows? He could be looking up stuff y' all are talking about, which I have no clue about, but it crashed. Ever since I bought it, it's made loud noises, and I've just dealt with it because I'm broke and I don't have money.

[Mike]

But it's working now.

[Canine]

It's working now. I've been testing it. Mike is pissed at me. Dude. The first podcast I did with it, it started making noises like it wouldn't.

[Lewis]

Connect to the phone. It wouldn't connect to anything.

[Canine]

It sounded like a Transformer called the Internet company. And we're just. I'm just like. Exactly. And I'm just like, ignore it.

[Lewis]

You definitely can't play Warhammer on that thing.

[Canine]

See, when you live in the hood and if you hear loud noises, you just ignore them. So I'm used to it. You just ignore things, you know, until.

[Mike]

They blow up in your face. Once again, live on the Internet. Wait, was there anything conducted and then it just dropped. Did you even get On I got on stream yard.

[Lewis]

And then true family fashion, like our gambling career. He said he had the most viewers ever.

[Canine]

Ever.

[Lewis]

He was like, maybe that did it. Maybe, maybe, maybe your computer couldn't handle.

[Canine]

Dude, it felt great. I was looking at it. It said YouTube Live 17 viewers, which is a lot for me. I felt great. My. I'm popping my pecs. My nipples got hard.

[Jimmy]

Dude.

[Mike]

Yeah. 17.

[Canine]

17.

[Jimmy]

I'm not with you.

[Lewis]

That's awesome, dude.

[Canine]

The nips were hard. They were poking out. Boom. And next thing I know, I'm like, frozen. Nothing's working. And shout out, Sipo. He's working. His computer's working.

[Lewis]

And did he try to stay with it? Oh, you're gone, though. Everything went.

[Mike]

You host it?

[Canine]

Yeah, I host it. And he was carrying it for a second.

[Lewis]

He said, hey, man, I did. My computer just blew up.

[Mike]

Know what I saw the other day? I saw an article about. Do you guys remember Deflate Gate?

[Canine]

Yes, of course.

[Jimmy]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't need Tom Brady jumping in. I just.

[Mike]

I bring it up. Yeah, I. I bring it up because Deflate Gate was. Was the Rob o' Neal story. In sports, it was the biggest controversy. It was covered by every news outlet. It got the name Deflate Gate because of how silly it was people were blaming. So if I. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Patriots win a series of games. Somebody finds out that the football. The game balls were being. Were deflated. Then they started looking at who had access to the footballs. They were saying the. The equipment guy was the fall guy.

[Lewis]

Because Tom Brady, kind of like the Ohtani gambling.

[Canine]

Yeah. His translator took the fall for Ohtani.

[Lewis]

Translator was betting millions of dollars. So he took it. In this case, some trainer took the fall.

[Canine]

Well, Tom Brady did also take the fall. He was suspended, I think, the first four games of the next year.

[Mike]

Did he really deflate him? Did he ever admit to 100.

[Canine]

It was proven.

[Lewis]

The cold weather.

[Mike]

They were.

[Canine]

It was proven. Yeah.

[Lewis]

By.

[Mike]

It was proven.

[Jimmy]

Which side of the. Which side of the aisle. Exactly.

[Mike]

If you're a Patriots saying Tom Brady.

[Lewis]

Has his own fans, like Jordan.

[Mike]

That's true.

[Lewis]

Like Jordan had fans.

[Canine]

TB12.

[Lewis]

Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think? What do you think?

[Jimmy]

What do I think? I. I think that when you win that much, people are going to try to tear you down. And I think that the rivalry between Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in the Indianapolis Colts and the. The Patriots was so big, and they. They just. I'm not saying that they didn't do other things I thought you were a Bucks fan. I am a Bucks.

[Canine]

No, it don't sound like it.

[Jimmy]

Okay. But who played for my team, dog?

[Canine]

Yeah, that was later on where this is before that.

[Jimmy]

Right. I mean, we weren't even in the conversation after 2002.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So I think that personally, I think that Tom Brady and the Patriots and. And the Dark Emperor that. The Emperor Palpatine himself. Freaking Bill Belichick did a lot of shady.

[Mike]

Oh, 100.

[Jimmy]

I definitely believe that the video.

[Lewis]

They had the video thing too.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Without permission and like super bowl week, they, like, had a spy, like, zoomed in watching the plays at the Cleveland Browns practice.

[Jimmy]

Do I think that that that was what it was? Sort of like tax evasion for mobsters. Like, this is what we can prove, but this isn't really what you did. Yeah.

[Lewis]

You're a Dale Earnhardt fan. Do you think Dale was. Had the leeway to crank that engine up a little bit more back in his day?

[Jimmy]

I can.

[Mike]

From nascar. Is that a theory?

[Lewis]

No.

[Jimmy]

So I can. I can show you. I can show you picture evidence of the NASCAR guys looking at his car and Dale Earnhardt with his boot underneath the floor, lifted it up.

[Lewis]

Yeah. So I do remember that.

[Jimmy]

Did he do some shady. Absolutely.

[Canine]

No.

[Jimmy]

Everybody else did too.

[Lewis]

Here's my NASCAR car conspiracy.

[Canine]

Don't you disrespect.

[Lewis]

Have a NASCAR conspiracy. Theor. The year dale Earnhardt died, 2001 in the Pepsi 400 that year, Dale Jr. Won in the emotional whim.

[Canine]

Same track.

[Mike]

That's crazy.

[Lewis]

His car was banged up aerodynamically inferior. And for some reason he could go faster than everybody else.

[Jimmy]

That's. That's engine 11. Like, he actually has that engine. Like.

[Lewis]

Do you think it was.

[Jimmy]

Do I. Do I think that they. Did they do something? I mean, it's a restrictor plate. It's restrictor plate racing. They're not going. They can't go. But so fast.

[Lewis]

But do you remember that race? His car had damaged, though.

[Jimmy]

So did Michael Walter.

[Lewis]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

And Michael Waltrip got second right behind him.

[Lewis]

But back then, Hendrix had a lot of power.

[Jimmy]

No, no, that's the eye.

[Lewis]

That's right.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So dei. For people that don't know dei, before it was anything about hiring was Dale Earnhardt and Incorporated. And the fact that they stole DEI from Dale Earnhardt. I got a problem with that. I got a problem with it.

[Lewis]

That's a shirt. Di is before. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

There's a.

[Lewis]

There's a. Something there.

[Mike]

Okay, so that. You guys are blowing my mind right now because you're saying that I. There's a possibility that nascar, like any other sport, can. Can alter wins based off of. Because you're right. What are, what are the chances that Dale Earnhardt Jr. Wins?

[Lewis]

I'm a fan, so huge fan.

[Jimmy]

I'm a huge fan. Junior. Like, if I could. My wife will tell you if I could sit down with any person and have a beer with them, it would be Dale Jr. It would be Dale Jr. Like, I, I Dale Jr. Over dead or alive. No, I'm alive.

[Canine]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

Dale. Dale is a guy that you would be like, I would want to have that guy with me if we were getting into a fist fight. But Dale Jr. Is incredibly relatable. Just watch his content.

[Lewis]

I have a cree two minutes. I have a crazy deal. Dale Earnhardt story. And this is completely. I don't talk a lot about work. I work in the hood. Stopped a car one time, a bunch of crackheads in it search a car, found drugs. It was stolen. And in the car, in one of the people's pockets was a Dale Earnhardt championship ring from one of his seven championships on some random chick call him championships. Yeah, he had a nascar. She had a big ass diamond Dale Earnhardt ring team crew member. And I'm looking this crackhead and I'm like, there is no way this. You were a part of this. There's no way. So I, when I inventoried all the stuff, I took that ring and I put in evidence for safe keeping. My drawer, I put in evidence for complete safekeeping. About I would have two. Six months later. Six months later, I pull a guy over and arrest him for drugs. And he says, man, I'm down bad. This, that and the other. He's like, I used to be a one of the car tire changes for Dale Earnhardt on one of his championship teams. He's like, I'm so up. I pawned my ring and I gave it to some girl in the hood. I'm like, brother, you're in luck. And I said, I know where it is. I wouldn't tell him it was an evidence. I said, I know where it is. When you get clean, you call. He called me two years later and I met you. I had that ring shipped to Wisconsin back to him where he was able he was not doing drugs anymore. So that's my. That's my day.

[Jimmy]

So. So the antihero podcast in Cottville was doing good things for people before.

[Lewis]

Before people say I was a terrible crook, but I, I legit met the guy. He sent me an autograph picture later on and of him and like, are you kidding me? Like, not like autograph card, but I'm saying I found the actual ring. And in my head I went, there's no way I'm just putting this in this chick's general property going to jail. And I put it aside, and that ring was reunited years later. His last name started with a J. I got Ukraine calling.

[Mike]

Are you sure?

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah, it's definitely Ukraine.

[Canine]

All right.

[Mike]

All right, tell them stand by.

[Lewis]

Let me get him back on.

[Mike]

Jimmy, updates on Ukraine that you said.

[Jimmy]

Okay, so, Lewis, if you go to my email, I have Ukraine updates. All right, so here's I'm gonna get. While he pulls that up, I'm going to give you the basic overview. All right, guys, it's November. We're going into December. It's the cold and the wet months, so it's going to be a lot of mud. All right, so right now, everything that's happening in Ukraine, you've seen a lot of urban combat.

[Mike]

Actually, can you ask him if he has an email to do video?

[Lewis]

Yeah, I can try. Yeah, I'm back on because I can't call Ukraine for my phone.

[Jimmy]

I could call the other.

[Lewis]

We got.

[Mike]

I got this guy calling, and then we can talk to both. But I want. I would rather a video.

[Lewis]

If you're watching, call back in. I'm sorry, I didn't answer in time, so. Or send me an email. If you can come on live, text me an email address that I can send you the link and you come on FaceTime.

[Jimmy]

You. Yes. So right now we're going into the last months of the last couple of days, really, of autumn. We're heading into winter. So it's muddy, it's cold, it's rainy. You're getting flurries on the ground. They're not sticking. If you've ever been in a. A tracked or wheeled combat vehicle, it sucks.

[Mike]

Why does the mud so bad when it's cold? Why is it like. If it was that cold here, it would be freezing.

[Jimmy]

Cold is not like freezing mud. Not a problem. Wet mud.

[Mike]

But why does it. Is there a reason why geographically, over there, it. It just gets muddy, Right? If. If it was this cold here, mud would harden.

[Jimmy]

So it's mostly. You got to remember that, number one, the places that they're fighting right now in Ukraine are not far from the biggest tank battle in history, the battle of cursed Kursk.

[Mike]

Okay, what war was that from?

[Jimmy]

That was World War II. This Germans versus the Russians, right in Kursk, near Ukraine. Okay. I think it's actually in Ukraine, as a matter of fact. It's flat, it's not a lot of trees. It's farmland. It's grazing land for animals. So not a lot of runoff, not a lot of stuff to soak it up. Great for like, hey, let's do this big flanking movement around. Not so great when several hundred sixty ton combat vehicles and okay, they dig up the ground and it's wet and it's muddy and eventually they get to the point where they're sinking down six inches to a foot into the ground. It's gumming up all of the. The road wheels and everything else. People are throwing tracks and it just makes maneuver harder. So this is the last big push and what you're seeing right now in, in Ukraine. So this is, by the way, the stuff that's on screen is from the Institute for the Study of War. So if anybody has a problem with my sources, they can go themselves.

[Mike]

That's a good source.

[Jimmy]

So this is the last little pocket. You can see the red pushing into the orange. The orange is basically where the battles are happening. The red is 100 controlled by the Russians. The white is 100 controlled by the Ukrainians. So you can kind of see they've got this pocket. They're trying to go ahead and collapse this bubble, consolidate, reorganize, wait for the winter to be over and then they're going to go ahead and start their attacks in the spring. So. So what they're doing here is if you look and. Lewis, can you bring up the second picture, please?

[Lewis]

I sent you an email.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, there. Okay. That was the second image. Okay, Bring it back to the first one. All right, so this is the overall view right here. You can see where they're going. And bring up the second, the first one. I apologize, Lewis.

[Lewis]

There, you're good.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So you can see here. Oh, you had it. Oh, wait, there it goes.

[Mike]

Okay, it's up there. Is that the one? No, that's.

[Jimmy]

That's the big broad overview.

[Mike]

How many images are there too?

[Jimmy]

This is two. So basically they're using like the, the water, like runoff tunnels to infiltrate into certain areas. And like it's almost like tunnel rack.

[Mike]

Is there seasons where they can use that to the benefit in the seasons where they're full of water?

[Jimmy]

No, they can pretty much use it anytime.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

But it, it is helpful for them to use it to infiltrate into urbanized environments. So sort of like the Ninja Turtles, they're going through the sewers and then they're popping up out of the sewer. Grates. And then all of a sudden you have a platoon of Russian infantry behind your forward line of troops that you now have to turn around and deal with. And to cut off their ability to reinforce and get supplies, you got to go down there and fight them in the tunnels. It's nasty. And part of this is also because they're trying to avoid the drones. Just like we would fight the aliens, if the aliens came down, we would go to the sewers. That's exactly what the Russians are doing. And the, the, the Ukrainians are pretty much doing the same thing. I tried to talk to our buddy Crusader a couple of times last night in this morning, but I couldn't get a hold of him.

[Mike]

Man, it's hard, dude. Those two, those dudes are like I said, seven hours ahead of us. Yeah.

[Lewis]

Emails out, see if you can join.

[Mike]

So it is, Is that it for the updates before we bring a guest on?

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So what would. Only thing we got to know is that, hey, at a certain point this is all gonna stop and it's gonna stalemate. Right.

[Mike]

For the winter.

[Jimmy]

For the winter. Because the winter is going to be. Mud's a problem now. You've got snow and a lot of other like human problems. It's fact that it's frigid, freezing.

[Mike]

So even for those people because, I mean, they're used to it, but it's still too cold.

[Jimmy]

If the Russians start talking about a bad winter, you better pay attention. Okay. So I mean like it's going to be bad this year. Probably going to have some. You're going to see a lot of stalemates, you're going to see a lot of drones, you're going to see some air stuff. But the ground fighting is pretty much going to be trench warfare, which is what we've seen leading up to this. Not going to see any more tanks. And you know, will that happen?

[Mike]

Will trench warfare happen during the stalemate or would that wait?

[Jimmy]

It's already. It's been going on.

[Mike]

So the stalemate is that just for the mechanized vehicles. So big movement.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So the big movements. I mean, you think about it this way, right? Like if we were, if we were in an infantry platoon, I mean everybody in this room was in an infantry platoon. If we were in an infantry platoon, except for those. So we don't want any stolen valor. Yeah. So if, if, if Mike's, if Mike's a platoon sergeant and you're the squad leader and I'm, I'm one of the Joes and we're like, okay, hey, we know that 100 meters that way is the bad guys. They're also in a trench. Hey, it's really foggy. Let's go ahead and do a night patrol. Let's just go ahead and, you know, see what we can find out there and interdict the enemy. If they're trying to do the same thing, if they're trying to conduct reconnaissance, that's what you're going to see. So.

[Mike]

All right, let's bring them on.

[Lewis]

Hold on. I think he's still setting up.

[Jimmy]

Hold on.

[Lewis]

Oh, let him get.

[Mike]

He's got great wi fi.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I mean, he's in the war. Well, I mean, come on, man, give him a break.

[Jimmy]

Literally, in the war.

[Canine]

Jesus Christ. Going back to what he said, I was never in the military. I tried to join right out of high school, but they wouldn't take me. I tried to join the Navy because my dad was in the Navy. Shout out. My dad.

[Lewis]

I tried to join the Navy too. That was the first branch I tried.

[Mike]

I tried doing the Marines.

[Canine]

They wouldn't let me because I had a weed charge. But it is what it is. I tried.

[Lewis]

I just came in.

[Mike]

All right, well, let's cover some more while we wait. We're gonna go back to Ukraine once my man's setup. I can see he's trying to, but still images.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Far away.

[Mike]

Let's hit up the Venezuelan update. Okay, this has seemed, I, I, where it seems like we're the only ones covering this.

[Lewis]

Yeah, there's a new video that just came out blowing a boat up. Another one?

[Jimmy]

Dude, they're doing it two or three times a day, every day. So. So the first thing that you need to understand is that like you're going to see a lot of talking head politicians get on the news and say this is unlawful what they're doing because these boats could never make it to Florida or Mississippi or Louisiana or Texas.

[Lewis]

Pardon me.

[Mike]

So they're saying they couldn't make it anyways?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, they're saying that those boats couldn't make it. And they are correct. Those boats are not meant to make it. They are moving places. They're moving supplies and drugs and people from point A to point B on the small islands in the Caribbean before they get transported to Mexico, which has a massive coastline.

[Lewis]

So they're moving cut dope, cutting agents, chemicals, okay, everything that's coming. But they're not shooting from Venezuela.

[Jimmy]

So they're, they're, you'll hear the politicians say, well, like any cop will tell you that those guys aren't going to make it that the drug smugglers are not coming to Florida gas on that alone. Yeah, it's not possible. And they're right. But that's not what it's about. They're cutting it off at. Before they start heading to Mexico.

[Lewis]

Like our war on drugs is let it get here, let it be manufactured. Some white dudes walking down the street with a gram of cocaine, let's arrest them.

[Jimmy]

So Mike Dilks can go out there and get them.

[Lewis]

But that's doing zero impact.

[Mike]

Right.

[Lewis]

Trying to hit the source.

[Jimmy]

Right. So the source before the source, which is actually even better. Good, Right. So that's all true. So right now we have the. The USSCO JIMA Amphibious Readiness Group, which is a bunch of Marines and SEALs, helicopters and airplanes. Everything you need for that. And the Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group with all of their stuff. There's probably a submarine down there, but they haven't told us which one. And if I was going to tell you. Oh, by the way, the 80 seconds on alert. Oh, okay. So if I was going to tell you that there's Marines off the coast, there's a carrier off the coast, strikes are already happening outside.

[Lewis]

We're real close.

[Jimmy]

The CIA is already involved. The 80 seconds on alert. What do you guys think? Think it's going to happen. And we're just regular grunts. Like, what did we think? Like, if I told you that at.

[Lewis]

The smoke pit and then the high I saw today where Trump said the Venezuelan President is ready to talk. So that means that they're already flexed their chest.

[Mike]

They're feeling it. Yeah, they're feeling. Yeah, there's war.

[Lewis]

There's war. Eminence.

[Jimmy]

I mean, he's got. He doesn't just have a gun pointed at his head. He has a modern armada.

[Mike]

Can he.

[Lewis]

Can he beat the war declaration by calling it a terrorist group or a drug terrorist organization? Or does he have to ask?

[Jimmy]

Yes. Okay, technically.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

So he can kind of bomb him and say in the name of.

[Jimmy]

We already have a, you know, a resolution on killing terrorists. These are terrorists. They're narco terrorists.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So now. But what the thing that we got to look at is, is that that's not really what he's going to do. This looks like regime change. There's already a government in waiting that was, at least by some sources, legitimately elected. Allegedly. Allegedly. That is waiting to take over from Maduro and his regime. So it wouldn't take a whole lot of targeted strikes and maybe some boots on the ground, maybe a mass tack from the 82nd, an airborne or an amphibious assault from the Marines and some bombs, and it's like, okay, we're done.

[Mike]

And that would help with the regime change.

[Jimmy]

That's what.

[Mike]

Oh, that's.

[Lewis]

Our current government is in charge down there, so.

[Jimmy]

That's Maduro, Nicholas Maduro.

[Lewis]

What nationality is he?

[Jimmy]

He would be Venezuelan, I believe.

[Canine]

Okay.

[Lewis]

I didn't know. There's some highlight I saw somewhere.

[Jimmy]

That's it. I'm sorry. If you.

[Canine]

No, no, no.

[Lewis]

I don't know. I'm asking. I really don't. I saw a headline. I don't want to say it. So I saw a headline that.

[Jimmy]

No.

[Lewis]

Had a certain person.

[Jimmy]

No, no, no, no. You're thinking of Mexico, the female president.

[Lewis]

Okay, next. There you go. There you go.

[Jimmy]

Okay, I know exactly where you're going.

[Canine]

The small.

[Lewis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

We're not going to talk about that over here. Like, looking at us back and forth.

[Lewis]

I got him confused. There's a regime change down there as well. They're trying to get Christians back in.

[Jimmy]

Charge to cover that because we're kind of already on. Like, we're the guys covering.

[Lewis]

You want to bring Ukraine in real quick?

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Lewis]

Yeah, he's on.

[Mike]

Let's see if this works.

[Lewis]

Wyatt, you're on. Can you hear us?

[Mike]

Are you in a trench? Right.

[Lewis]

Huge delay.

[Jimmy]

Jesus Christ.

[Lewis]

Wyatt, can you hear us?

[Mike]

What?

[Wyatt]

Yo, yo, can you guys hear me?

[Lewis]

He's got the helmet on that thing. He's ready, man.

[Mike]

Can you make. All right, can you make Wyatt bigger? Make this. Make it two and two. There you go.

[Lewis]

Okay, that's as best.

[Canine]

Damn.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lewis]

Where are you? Can you say yes?

[Wyatt]

I'm in Ukraine, yo. Where else would I be? I got nothing better going on.

[Lewis]

Give us the rundown, man. What's going on over there?

[Jimmy]

Okay.

[Wyatt]

Well, hi there, everybody. My name's Wyatt. That's my name. I don't do this Call of Duty call sign bull crap. I'm not the main character. Anyway, my name is Wyatt. And your last caller, Crusader, he was telling you guys about the mud and you all kind of nodded your heads. Oh, yeah, it's real muddy out there. You don't understand. You think you do. You don't. I'm gonna tell you a funny story about this mud. But first, since it is noon 12 where you guys are, it's 7:12 here. So for you boys.

[Mike]

I'll drink a coffee to it.

[Canine]

Anyway.

[Mike]

Sure. So are you American?

[Wyatt]

Story about the mud back in 20. Say what are you?

[Lewis]

Just a delay.

[Mike]

Are you American? Yes. Okay. And. And who Are you. What? Give us the information that you can, but are you fighting with the Ukrainian army or are you some kind of like a different group? Okay.

[Wyatt]

It's really hard to hear you ever since we went live, but from what I could hear there, yes, I am an American. I am a US veteran. I've been in Ukraine since the summer of 22 with the Ukrainian Armed forces official contracted soldier.

[Jimmy]

That, that answers that question. So tell us about the mu.

[Wyatt]

Okay, I'm gonna try switching this over to my phone because I just hear like random metallic clicks when you're talking. But funny story about the mud. Back in 22, we were doing a big like platoon level movement. We go out, secure position, then we rotate back. We had a fat guy who was in our unit. We're walking at night, he takes a wrong step and it is up past his knee, the mud. It took us 15 minutes to dig him out. He was begging us to leave him behind. When we finally get his leg out, his boot was gone. It ate his boot right off his foot.

[Jimmy]

Suction, baby.

[Wyatt]

Now, about two weeks later, we're doing a similar thing. We pull back. This is before FPVs came along and screwed everything up. You just had to deal with artillery and rockets sitting in the trees waiting for our ride to come. And then here it comes, this btr, this Soviet made eight wheeled monster. It pulls off the road to pick us up and it just sank all the way down. These are amphibious. And it was a boat on the mud, wheels just spinning. Well, crap. We call it in. They send another VTR to come and pull that one out. And this one stayed up on the road, hooked up some chains, threw it in reverse, and when it started pulling, it slid off the road. Same story, stuck. We call it in. Brigade sends out a BMP attract armored personnel carrier that shows up. It chains up to the first btr, or, sorry, the second BTR starts pulling, starts pulling, and it starts moving inch by inch or centimeters here. And then it overheated. We start discussing the merits of just walking home. It was like 14k. They send a tank overheated. It sent a T80 tank to come and get this thing. The tank shows up, chains up to the bmp, pulls it out of the mud. All right, we're moving now. And as soon as they go to take the chains off, that's when we hear it. Artillery starts coming in this, we're out of here. Oh, sorry, am I supposed to cuss? We're out of here. We just jump on the tank and we ride the tank out about 200 meters down the road. Grad rockets raked that whole area. It would have been a mass cast. So the mud is worse than you could ever imagine.

[Canine]

Sounds like it.

[Wyatt]

None of us, aside from the local Ukrainians, have ever seen mud like this. We have guys from all over the world here. Nothing like this. It'll just. It'll overheat your engine just from caking on. I can send you some.

[Mike]

Some.

[Wyatt]

Some photos of sunflower stalks speared through the radiator, but it didn't leak because the mud cemented to it. It'll. It'll lock your brakes open or closed and destroy your vehicle. One way or another, this mud is the most PTS inducing thing I've come across.

[Mike]

All right, so can. Can you hear us? I mean, what will. Switch it over to your phone?

[Lewis]

Yeah, so you got to be able.

[Canine]

To talk to him.

[Wyatt]

I guess. I'll call you guys back in a minute.

[Jimmy]

Okay?

[Mike]

All right. Yeah, just use that same link. Come back.

[Lewis]

No, he's saying he's gonna call.

[Mike]

Okay. All right. All right.

[Wyatt]

I'm gonna use that same link on a different device.

[Jimmy]

Okay.

[Mike]

Yeah. So remove them from the stage, and then you just kind of watch for him to come back. That was pretty cool, dude.

[Jimmy]

Like, I mean, you remember walking around in mud in Iraq and how it would stick to your boots?

[Mike]

I never walked in mud. I didn't really see much mud in Iraq.

[Jimmy]

I mean, anybody that's ever been to Iraq and Afghanistan has walked around in the rainy season. And the mud that sticks to your boots, and you're like, walk three steps and you have to fling it off. That is worse. I mean, Mike, how was the mud over there in Louisiana? Clay Slippery. We had so.

[Lewis]

So my first. My first day I got there, and I didn't show up with airborne wings because I was brand new and I didn't get them sewn on yet. I showed up. No, but I didn't know any better. I got. I went right out of airborne school, home on leave, and then Louisiana. So I walk in day one without airborne gut. That was a bad day. And then they're like, you're going to the field. And I ended up about four hours later. I had no idea. No cell phone. I've been walking through the swamps of Louisiana with water, but the clay in Louisiana was horrendous. Well, not only that, if you got off trail, there was deep ravines in the. In on Fort Polk where you could end up 40, 50ft down. There were times when you went to sleep, you went to Sleep. And it started raining. And throughout the night, you had no idea that you, like, slid 30ft down a hill. Like, slowly but surely you just ended up at the bottom. So his mud wasn't horrendous, but there's alligators, wild animals, all that.

[Jimmy]

And then, I mean, I can't imagine trying to do that and fight in a war in 2025.

[Lewis]

Got out. That's why I got out. I was like, man, bad.

[Jimmy]

And, and it's, it's, it's. The mud's going to be the least of your problems in about a month when it just gets stable. O0. Like. Like those guys need all the poly pro and snivel gear.

[Canine]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis]

I mean, I can't imagine that's bad. He's back. There he goes.

[Jimmy]

There he goes.

[Lewis]

Can you hear us now? It's daytime, kind of, you know, light back. Yeah, I can hear you.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Lewis]

You want to ask some of those questions when the chat.

[Mike]

You can hear us in real time?

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Wyatt]

Quality is much better now.

[Mike]

Okay, cool. What were there questions in the chat for me?

[Lewis]

Like, without disclosing, I think somebody's asking, asking for a friend. Are you. Are you well compensated for what you're doing?

[Wyatt]

The short answer, when you're deployed, the money's good, especially on the local economy. When you're not deployed, it's pretty crap.

[Lewis]

Okay, okay. Jimmy had some stuff for him. I think it was. You're trying to comment, but it was delayed.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, well, I, I mean, my question is as far as ground troops go, and, and, and I've gotten this message from, like four different people, and this is why I'm asking. I'm not advocating anything. I'm just asking a question from the foreign combat veterans. What does Ukraine need? Do they need more volunteers or are they good?

[Wyatt]

I'm going to give you such an honest answer, I might get in trouble for it.

[Jimmy]

We.

[Wyatt]

We don't serve any special purpose anymore. The meta of 2025 has been that if you're a foreigner, screw you, you are infantry, no matter what. You are a trench digger. We've had drone teams, combo shops, engineering groups that were foreigners dissolved and then just replaced by the citizens. Part of that has been from a certain nationality, has sent a lot of people that really, really suck Colombia that are only good for filling boots. So right now is actually, I would say, is not a very good time to be a foreigner coming to Ukraine.

[Jimmy]

Okay, so let me, Let me ask you this. So if you were an American infantry soldier or Marine and you wanted to Go fight for Ukraine. Would now be a good time?

[Wyatt]

If I cannot talk you out of it? And I should note that there are massive, massive differences between brigades and the missions they do. How well guys have it. I've been pretty lucky. I've been in some very good units, and I've come across other units that I break my leg before. I go that way. But if somebody. Well, it's a big army. There are a lot of troops right now. But if somebody were to come here, like, my advice, like, what can they do? You need to prepare yourself to be a cog in the machine a lot, especially the Americans. We've been at war for 20 years. We think we're special, but we're really not. Main character syndrome is quite rampant. And then when, you know, as you noted, the conditions are not great, guys go out and they realize that they're not up for this.

[Jimmy]

I mean, that. That is the. So I've gotten three or four dms about people like, hey, these guys that are in Ukraine, should we go there? Should we help? Should we talk about. I'm like, I don't know, dude. We got to ask that question. It sounds to me like the answer is no. What do you think, guys?

[Mike]

If I.

[Jimmy]

If I was talking to.

[Lewis]

I mean, from a guy, from what he's saying. Yeah, I would say no.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I don't want to go.

[Canine]

Well.

[Wyatt]

No, I should say if it's. Well, you don't have to. Like, nobody has to, but you want to kind of, you know, couch my answer now, having already said it. There's a lot to be had here. There's a lot of opportunity if you know how to do it. A lot of guys just arrive and then leave right away. They don't make the connections. They don't learn how to interact, don't know how to get the things that they want it. But, hey, I will note that the Ukrainian military has treated me better than the American military.

[Jimmy]

That is fascinating.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Wyatt]

I mean, granted, I was in a. I was in a unit that is famously bad, and I got out during the peak corruption years of the va so that might be a factor. But that also might explain why I've been here for over three years.

[Jimmy]

Can you.

[Wyatt]

And a lot of guys.

[Mike]

Can you.

[Wyatt]

That was Air Force.

[Mike]

Oh, really?

[Wyatt]

Yeah, I was Air Force. And yet I get. I get treated better here because I don't come in with an added. Yeah, dude.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Wyatt]

Because, you know, I just. I learned how to interact. Like I said, be a cog in the machine. You make yourself useful Helpful. You'll be taken care of. A lot of people come in. I've learned to call them G waddles. Gwad veterans who put on £30, waddle around. I'm the only guy here.

[Jimmy]

I mean, hey, I'm probably there.

[Wyatt]

And they tend to leave pretty quickly because they have attitudes. They don't get the things that they want and it's just a vicious cycle with them. But hey, if somebody does want to come, hey, do it. Just be aware of what you're gonna face. You are going to be out in the field, you're going to be cold, you're gonna be, you're gonna be miserable. Oh, on that note, if somebody's coming for the money, get lost, don't come, okay?

[Lewis]

I'm staying home.

[Jimmy]

We have solved that problem. So before we go, like last question, what's it look like right now on the front line?

[Wyatt]

Trace, I think you, you've mostly covered it. Things have settled down, typically for the past few years. Russia wants to mount a big winter offensive once the mud freezes, and that always fails. So we're, that's why they did a lot of focus this summer on taking the south, taking Pokrovsk, Tourette's.

[Clint]

So it.

[Wyatt]

Will likely settle down. As we've seen the past few winters, they start undermining. Jimmy History guy, where does the term undermine come from?

[Jimmy]

Oh, that depends. I mean like undermine is, is a siege tactic for going underneath the wall of a walled in castle. I mean we can go all the way back to the Romans. It depends on which one you want to talk about.

[Wyatt]

I was thinking civil war, but.

[Jimmy]

Last.

[Wyatt]

Winter they were digging tunnels to the other trenches and blowing them up. So it is like you said, it's going to stop. There's nothing surprising about that. Our big focus right now, the big picture is to try to crush their money sources, their oil infrastructure, their rail, their rail industry is bound near collapsed or we're going to be focused more on long range offenses to try to break their back logistically.

[Lewis]

Comments are good.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I know they are. Hey, dude, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Lewis]

Man. We really appreciate it, Wyatt. If you'd like to like keep giving us an update weekly, man. Yeah, if you're around, man, tuning in like, please let us know if you. Come on. You kind of keep us updated on any changes or anything crazy that's going on that week we might not know about over here.

[Canine]

We'll do it.

[Mike]

We'll do, we'll do a, a press conference. If you got hot takes, man, we got to Give a better way than email. But right now, emails. You know a good way to get a hold of us if you're like, hey, man, you can text me now.

[Lewis]

We can tell he's got my number.

[Mike]

We'll do a. We'll do an emergency press conference.

[Wyatt]

I just changed my phone plan. I couldn't call out of country before, but now that I have Jimmy's number, I'm just gonna. I am going to be hurling voice messages at him non stop. He's gonna hate it. He's gonna outsource the job to deal with me. Just.

[Jimmy]

Just any of you Ukraine guys, any of those guys, you and. And the other dudes, just direct everything to me and I'll filter it. Because these two guys have so much. Their RAM space is gone. They're gonna. It's gonna go to me anymore.

[Lewis]

I love it.

[Jimmy]

They're so busy, man. Both of you guys are so goddamn busy.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, my bandwidth is.

[Wyatt]

They're running, what, five companies?

[Lewis]

Yeah, we're gonna lose them all, but.

[Mike]

Yeah, Rob's taking them all. Wyatt. Hey, man, thanks for coming on. We will bring you back at least once a week, if not more. And stay safe out there, dude.

[Wyatt]

What's the fun in that? No, before you go. Before you go. Tay, Tay, I need you to pick up your phone, get on the Gmail, send me the shipping address for your location. I'll send you guys a bunch of like, just gay ass moto patches.

[Lewis]

Don't open that on the air.

[Mike]

Hey, man, thanks again, dude. I'll send you our address. I appreciate it. Yeah.

[Wyatt]

Patches or something.

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Wyatt]

Hey, Jimmy. Hey, Jimmy. Benguinius died because he was a.

[Jimmy]

Go yourself.

[Lewis]

If.

[Jimmy]

If Horus didn't go tap into all of the powers of the insidious, ruinous powers, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

[Mike]

Is this a warhammer thing? Yeah.

[Clint]

Oh, boy.

[Lewis]

Oh, boy. Okay, Clint's trying to call. I gotta get this ad out, and then we'll call.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, we'll call Clint back. All right, man. Thanks, Wyatt.

[Lewis]

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[Mike]

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[Canine]

They are.

[Lewis]

They reached out. Very humble new company and awesome dudes, man.

[Mike]

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[Lewis]

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[Mike]

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[Lewis]

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[Mike]

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[Lewis]

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[Mike]

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[Lewis]

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[Mike]

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[Lewis]

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[Mike]

I said, louis, you can end it now.

[Lewis]

And he went, I don't know if it's air. Is it?

[Jimmy]

We're back.

[Mike]

Yeah, we're back.

[Lewis]

I'm gonna just say this out loud. This is very bizarre. When I was a supervisor at the sheriff's office, there's a system where they send out notifications. Yeah, like event notifications for things that happen. So I'm looking at my phone. My last one received was the day after I quit. And then just now, I got a attempt to locate missing person from the sheriff's office on my text. Text that has all the critical information of the incident, and somehow I end up back on the list. So I think that's funny. We wait for Jimmy to come back in, and then we'll get Clint on the line. Anything else you want to cover? Ukraine thing is cool, having a guy over there like that.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Nobody else has Ukraine live but us until we're sued.

[Mike]

Texas Trooper Texas. Not much.

[Lewis]

Do you have the video? Do we have the video?

[Mike]

I sent it to the Instagram. Lewis, can you go to Instagram?

[Lewis]

It's very. I don't know.

[Mike]

There's just not a lot.

[Canine]

We'll.

[Mike]

We'll have you. We'll have you. Talk.

[Lewis]

Oh, with the spitting thing, too. There's a video, too, I need you to get to.

[Mike]

Well, we'll talk about the Texas Trooper first, obviously. What college was it that scored? Remember, you've seen the video, right? Where the Texas Trooper walks through the football players.

[Lewis]

Georgia. Right. Georgia.

[Canine]

And yes.

[Mike]

Because Texans take their football very.

[Lewis]

You got to go to.

[Canine]

Yes, yours.

[Lewis]

Right.

[Canine]

This one.

[Jimmy]

Right.

[Lewis]

No, no, no. That's what we can look at on that video. You're looking for Tyler's name.

[Mike]

That's a free Sunday. Yeah, Right there. Yep.

[Canine]

I already have it.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Canine]

A. M. Texas.

[Mike]

You got it already.

[Canine]

What a crazy comeback that was, too. Wow.

[Lewis]

Just tell us then, Lewis. Just tell us to shut up. You're in charge. Ramsay smacked Jamar Chase. That's the one I need.

[Jimmy]

That's.

[Lewis]

This is different.

[Mike]

This is. Yeah, go ahead and play this.

[Lewis]

That. We'll do that one next.

[Mike]

This is ESPN Credible source.

[Lewis]

I'm starving. I didn't eat again, Lewis.

[Jimmy]

Dude, I'm all out of. I'm all out of chicken nuggets. I'll make you. Starving.

[Lewis]

Is track speed.

[Mike]

Speed.

[Lewis]

Run it back again from the big man. That is track speed from the big man, Nick Harper. No shots of anybody catching him on the fast.

[Canine]

Georgia played Bama.

[Lewis]

All right, so then he's going to leave the booty.

[Mike]

All right, you can stop it now. Go back to us, Lewis.

[Lewis]

What do you think about that?

[Jimmy]

It didn't even look like he touched him.

[Lewis]

He did. If you're looking on the right, he didn't touch a guy on the right. He shouldered the guy on the left.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

No, you got to play because the.

[Mike]

Guy on the right reacted.

[Lewis]

Yes. Yes.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Lewis]

No, he's pointing at the guy on the right. He shoulders the guy when he's walking.

[Mike]

Watch that.

[Lewis]

Bring it back in, Louis.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, that's it. Looks like he points at the wrong guy.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Okay. Oh, okay.

[Lewis]

You gotta watch it one more time. Watch his.

[Mike]

Watch the trooper's left shoulder.

[Lewis]

It's track speed from the big man, Nick Harbor. Ready?

[Wyatt]

No shots of anybody catching him.

[Mike]

You can't see in the window.

[Jimmy]

Okay, so he hit the guy on the left, but he points at the.

[Lewis]

Guy on the right. Probably said something, you know? The guy on the left is just looking now. The guy on the right said, yo, bro, what's up, man? Something to that effect.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, dude, you're not on the street. You're in the tunnel.

[Lewis]

Silly move by the trooper. There's no I. I would imagine. Is that their tunnel for like their team?

[Canine]

Yes. Yeah. That's the funny thing is people, the South Carolina fans, some of them are blaming this encounter for the epic collapse. They were up by like almost 30 points. Yes. Going into halftime, a M was like a plus 950 underdog, if you live. Bet it. And they came back and won. It was probably like the greatest comeback.

[Jimmy]

No.

[Mike]

Texas A M. Channel that energy.

[Lewis]

So he caused it.

[Canine]

Yes. South Carolina was up by like 20, 30.

[Mike]

He caused them mental and psychological damage to where they lost the game.

[Canine]

Yes.

[Mike]

There's really not much. The trooper, Department of law enforcement or whatever the hell they were. The trooper was relieved of his game day responsibilities.

[Lewis]

That's a huge deal. Those dudes, like, they love that.

[Mike]

They love it.

[Lewis]

You remember the guy with Bobby Bowden for his entire life was Bobby Bowden's like sideline guy. Like he was famous. He gets to go to every game.

[Jimmy]

Away game as a cop.

[Lewis]

Yeah, the trooper. That was Bobby. Bout like back in the day.

[Mike]

I don't know who that is.

[Lewis]

Bobby Baum was FSU coach for years. Like bazillion years. His trooper and those guys travel with the team. So he's just like an honor guard type deputy. He's not a real cop or a trooper. He goes with the team. Involved flying on the limousine ride and jet flying and then styling profiling. And then he loses that status.

[Mike]

Damn.

[Lewis]

Now he's in the army. That's like this special guy that like their guy, like hangs out the first sergeant or somebody like driver, driver.

[Jimmy]

Driver, Driver.

[Lewis]

Yeah, so he'd be like the driver. Doesn't go to the field, doesn't do anything. Sleeps in the nice place. Yeah, driver. Yeah, he's the equivalent of the driver.

[Mike]

Same qualifications, but doesn't do any of the jobs.

[Jimmy]

I mean, he's armed, right? I mean, yeah, he's a cop.

[Mike]

He's got law enforcement duty.

[Jimmy]

I mean, like it.

[Canine]

Look, dude, you're.

[Jimmy]

You're in the tunnel for the opposing team. Like you're gonna get some smack talked at.

[Lewis]

You just run into them.

[Jimmy]

You. You can't be. This ain't the street, homeboy.

[Mike]

No, that's true. That's a good point. You know, as cops, we don't. We especially a cop of that generation. He looked a little bit older.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

He probably took no, from anybody. Except when you're in a gig like that, you're in a get. You're in a place with people much better than you, more important than you, making more money. People care about those people more than they care about that cop.

[Lewis]

He's got a mate.

[Mike]

It's a lot like the cops that we pull over and we. Or we pull over. It's a lot like the cops that pull over football players. And we're like, hey, dude, take your pride out of it. This isn't some Joe Schmo. You pulled over. You can do the same thing. You pull over. What's his name from Miami Dolphins.

[Lewis]

Oh, Tyree Kill.

[Mike]

Tyree Kill. You treat Ty Tyree Kill differently because of his status. It is. It is what it is.

[Lewis]

Professionally differently. But you don't let him get away with anything. But you just got to know that TMZ is waiting for that clip.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

So don't ruin your life and career moment.

[Mike]

Loves him more. The city of Miami loves him more. NFL football fans loves him more than.

[Jimmy]

And cops and. And I mean, he was on the opposing. He was in the opposing team's tunnel. So, like, hey, you could hate. Am I right, canine? Like, you can hate these guys all you want.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

But, like, they're still prep, almost professional football.

[Lewis]

You want to do Clint before this other video or get it.

[Mike]

Let's. Let's. Let's hold Clint for the end. Let's do this.

[Lewis]

This is the spitting at the incident?

[Canine]

Yes.

[Lewis]

Alleged.

[Canine]

Alleged. Jamar Chase and Jay Leon.

[Lewis]

So two of the best players in the league get into a pissing match.

[Canine]

I love it.

[Lewis]

And one of them throws a punch and gets ejected. But there's more to the story.

[Mike]

This happened before the punch.

[Lewis]

This is going all. It'll all happen at once. You'll see it spitting on him. Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase got face to face early in the fourth, grabbing each other's face masks until needing to.

[Canine]

Be separated one minute later.

[Mike]

Chaos ensued again, and the two teams.

[Lewis]

Were had to be separated with Chase and Ramsay in the middle of it.

[Jimmy]

Resulting in Chase's helmet being ripped off. He and Ramsay again got face to face, this time with Ramsay hitting Chase.

[Lewis]

In the helmet, leading to the scuffle. Ramsay would be the one who got flagged and was ultimately ejected from back.

[Mike]

Did. Did the sideline guy grab his face mask?

[Lewis]

No, no, no, no, no. It was the player. But that punch. Keep going. He says he didn't spit on him. The guy in the orange.

[Clint]

The game.

[Lewis]

Ramsey afterwards said as he Was just retaliating after claiming Chase spit on him.

[Canine]

Chase vehemently denied spitting on him, but an on field angle shows Ramsay may have a point. Yeah.

[Lewis]

Yeah. So this dude gets spit on, throws a punch, and gets ejected for the punch.

[Canine]

We're small.

[Mike]

Let's. All right, let's watch the whole. Let's finish the video. Is it over? Yeah, let's run it back before we talk, because when we talk and we're this big.

[Lewis]

Okay, good.

[Mike]

You know.

[Jimmy]

They play Jalen Ramsey smacked.

[Lewis]

Jamar Chase and is accusing Chase of spitting on him. Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase got face.

[Canine]

To face early in the fourth.

[Lewis]

Grabbing each.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

All right, so the first thing we got to mention, though, is that what's up with Steelers players and helmets, man, because it goes. That goes all the way back to Mason Rudolph and. And as another Ohio team talk about.

[Mike]

Grabbing helmets.

[Jimmy]

He'S bringing up.

[Canine]

He's bringing up. When Miles Garrett grabbed Mason Rudolph's helmet, smacked him a couple times with it. Yeah.

[Mike]

Oh, I remember that.

[Lewis]

So in this case, you see what happens. You get spit on. Your natural. Yeah. We've talked about in law enforcement, your natural reaction is red and punches. Yeah, he punched him, and that was the reaction. And gets ejected for punching, which is a. No, no. You automatically ejected. And after game, the dude says he didn't spit on.

[Mike]

Well, do you think that they're gonna now punish the Bengals player because there's video footage.

[Lewis]

Did they get the guy on the Cowboys for spinning?

[Canine]

It was. They didn't get Dak because Dak just spit on the ground.

[Lewis]

It was Jalen Carter retaliation.

[Canine]

The defensive lineman on him. Yeah. Well, the defensive lineman, Jalen Carter did spit on Dak, and he was suspended the rest of that game. It was the first game I remember.

[Lewis]

Yep.

[Canine]

So they were trying to crack down.

[Jimmy]

On it from that spitting incident last to you. I mean, not just in football, but in hockey. And, like, there's a lot of spitting that's going on.

[Mike]

I think that when you. Football, to me, is amazing because you. You pack 50, dude. Well, not 50. 22 dudes on a field that are jacked to the brim with testosterone, and you're making them hit each other and expect they're not gonna fight. I know the NFL doesn't really condone it when there is fights on field. They traditionally shy away from it because they're not trying to shed a lot. Like, hockey's like. Yeah, but football. But you're gonna get that. The spitting thing, it's just like anything we else talk about that's crosses the line.

[Canine]

No 100 spitting. I mean, I've been in a hundred fights, and, you know, the spitting is just allegedly.

[Jimmy]

Don't get sued. Allegedly.

[Canine]

You know, if you sucker punch somebody, it is what it is. But if you spit on somebody that's just like.

[Lewis]

Wasn't there a famous baby baseball one? What was the bait? It was huge.

[Mike]

It was.

[Jimmy]

God.

[Canine]

What was it? Some.

[Lewis]

I remember, I can see it in my face, like. Or in my head. Somebody. It was like, the first big one. I'm gonna have to Google it.

[Mike]

You guys, Actually, I've got something funny trying to make y' all laugh. So nobody get their panties online. Everybody in the room. All right, Pull the video. Lewis speaking. This was my man Jimmy at a live show. Because I can sit there and say, oh, I was never.

[Jimmy]

I went to combat in the brewery's pint glass. I washed it out. Before I turned it around, I washed it. Look, I went up.

[Mike]

You can go back to us, Jimmy.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I, I, Okay, I went. There was a little faucet there for filling up your doggy bowl. I washed that out. Like, I did not.

[Lewis]

So you at least washed it out.

[Jimmy]

Oh, no, I wasn't gonna do that.

[Lewis]

I had nowhere else to go, man.

[Jimmy]

I'm like, I can't smoke. I need nicotine right now.

[Mike]

You couldn't go two hours without. Not even an hour. It was like an hour and 15 minutes. Yeah, I think, I think what happened was, homeboy. What do you call that? He enabled you.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And you're like, no, I have a giant whip of Goodwood.

[Lewis]

So back in 96, six was the big one. I remember Roberto Alomar spit on an umpire after a strike call. And guys, he spit on an umpire. He was on the Orioles at the time. He was actually really good.

[Canine]

Yeah, both.

[Lewis]

And he. That was the one I was thinking of. He spit on the umpire and got a five game suspension back in.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Lewis]

Well, that's 96, dude. Now you're out for a whole season.

[Mike]

Probably spit on the umpire.

[Canine]

Yeah, I was one at the time.

[Lewis]

I remember. I couldn't. I couldn't remember the. Because he. He went to, like, Toronto and then the Mets, and that followed him around the rest of his career that he spit on umpire, which is pretty shitty.

[Jimmy]

And now, I mean, like, that doesn't even get you a five minutes on espn.

[Canine]

Yeah, well, it happened in college football, too. This year. The guy on the Florida Gators pretty much blew that drive. He was a D lineman and he spit on the guy on usf, they got automatic first down. USF ended up kicking a game winning field goal to win the game.

[Mike]

Can you imagine being that guy? Dude.

[Canine]

Oh, dude.

[Jimmy]

I mean. Well, we got some cornerbacks for the Buccaneers that are probably.

[Lewis]

Do you want to get the clock? You'll get the bets in?

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Anybody wants to play the bets? You got a Super chat at least 199 super chat to guess Clint's time.

[Mike]

All right, let's give every. I bet you guys cheapskate's mind. I want to do it, so.

[Lewis]

All right, we'll give them like two, three minutes.

[Mike]

We have. We have. I still need addresses for raw and T mil. They were the. They've been the winners.

[Lewis]

Anybody betting on Clint?

[Canine]

Nicole, where are you?

[Lewis]

Let's go.

[Mike]

Heather, where are you?

[Lewis]

Stealing your own money?

[Mike]

I know she likes betting on it, but what we'll do is we'll go ahead and start it and then if anybody wants to bet but you can't wait till the end, I'd say. What. What's. What's our time in Two minutes in. You gotta cut it.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I mean, we could make it five Standby. He's not ready yet.

[Mike]

Okay, if somebody comes in and at 13 minutes in a Clint story and says 1430 seconds.

[Lewis]

Hold on one second. Let me get everybody ready. All right, we got 1331. All right, you got. Once Lewis hits the clock, you have up to two. I know it's gonna be longer than two minutes. So you got two minutes to get the bets in, and then we'll go from there. Clint, Begin.

[Clint]

Hey, good afternoon, fellas. I got one for you.

[Mike]

It.

[Lewis]

All right.

[Clint]

I'm trying to do production.

[Lewis]

No, you are. That's the shirt. Got one for you.

[Clint]

I'm not. I'm not using any profanity. Unlike Jimmy, who like to drop all kinds of madness.

[Jimmy]

That's fair.

[Mike]

They drive two F bombs in front.

[Jimmy]

Of 10 year olds.

[Canine]

I did do that.

[Clint]

His kids cuss. Guaranteed. So. So it was 2004.

[Jimmy]

Fire me, Tyler.

[Clint]

I was in Iraq and I lived right outside of Samara. And Samara was. You know, everybody that goes to Iraq or Afghanistan or whatever.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Clint]

Always say, man, where I was at, they called us the Wild west. Because anything goes. It was w. It. Whatever. Whatever. Every day was an adventure. Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on you. Unless you were in Samara in 2004 because it was. You were driving around in genocide. It was. It was happening all around you, and you were just driving through it. So we had a three story schoolhouse that we had converted into a cob. And our Alpha Company was in there. And they would rotate guys from the brigade that were in, you know, safer spots they would rotate them in. And one of my best friends in the whole world, Jermaine, he did a rotation there for like a month, but a month there was like doing 12 months. And I always tip my hat to the, the guys from Alpha Company that lived there for at least 12 months, they, they lived a Vietnam lifestyle while the rest of us was watching DVDs. And so every day we would drive in there, into the city in the Samara. Samara was so wild that even when Saddam was in charge, he built the highway around Samara. So it comes right up to it and then it does like a sea and goes all the way around it and then takes off straight again. So we, we would go tomorrow every day to check in with the, the company there. And it was called Uvani, and it was a three story schoolhouse surrounded by Jersey barriers and whatever. So they had like these, I don't know exactly what you would call them. It was like a 20 foot jersey barrier and that would barely get up to the third floor, if that. And so we were pulling in one day and we got out of the trucks and we went inside to talk to them before we went on our patrol or whatever. And we walked in, we went up to the second floor, which was like the command center, and we walked in there and we're talking to him. And the whole building shook. Something hit the building and everything shook. And all the, even though they, you know, daily swept and mopped and did whatever they could, it shook everything in the building to the point that the whole building went hazy while you were inside of it. And so then we ran up, somebody said, I think a mortar hit the top of the building. And on top of the building was, they was at, at a minimum four soldiers up there, four or six. And they had, they had saws and 240s and they also had a grenade launcher up there. And so we thought that the, the bit top of the building had got hit by mortar. So we all ran up on the top and when we ran, the guys that were already up there, they were already shooting. So we ran up and one of those 20 foot, 30 foot, whatever they are, I don't know, Jersey Bears got blown down and a, a car or a truck or whatever had drove into it and blew up and knocked the wall down. And so we're, we run up there and they're shooting at the the truck. So we run up there and I, I flip my, my, over my stuff over cinema. And then three or four guys ran through the wall and we just start lighting them up. Those, those saws, those two 40s and, and the guys on individual M4s just lighting them up, fall on the ground. I mean, we're making them dance. You know, we're. I mean there's 200 rounds in each guy at a minimum. At a, at a minimum, if not a thousand. And we're making them dance. And then the bodies blow up. And one of the bodies, it didn't blow up all the way. Whatever it did, it made it spin. And when it spun, it hit a doorway on the first floor and knocked the board down. And then the torso that, that insurgent landed on one of the platoon sergeants and then he became the S3 NCO. I see instantly he was done. I'm out. That, that's a wrap. So, so we're standing up there and you know, a couple other dudes tried to run through and we lit them up too. And it was easy. It was, I mean, it was like, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. It really was. And so right after that we run down to the, the bottom floor and we run up there and we're, you know, doing a battle, battle damage assessment. We're checking all these blown up bodies and looking at everything. And my interpreter, my interpreter, his name is Jimmy. And I've been nice to Jimmy my whole life. You know, the whole time we were over there, I was nice to Jimmy. I was that guy. And if you don't make fun of the interpreter, he thinks he's your best friend. So Jimmy, Jimmy had, at the end of this escapade, Jimmy invited me to, to his hometown in Chicago to hang out with him and his wife and his family. And he said that, you know, bring my wife. But I wouldn't see my wife the whole time I was there. The only time I would see her was when they were serving dinner to us. But other than that, I wouldn't see my wife the whole time. I said, Jimmy, I don't think that my wife is going to be down with that. But so we're out there and we're, we're walking around and we're checking the, the, the, you know, the, the battle site or whatever. And Jimmy the interpreter says, turns to me and he says, you know, I mean, we're looking at body parts. And Jimmy turns to me, Jimmy's like, he's probably close to 50 and he turns to me and he says, sergey Ludwig nut sack. I said, yeah, Jimmy, I hear you, man. Just pick it up. And I'm thinking, talking about a nut sack from Assault. That's what we call the bag that hangs under a saw when you want to carry less than 50 rounds.

[Jimmy]

Dude, I have a story about this too.

[Lewis]

And.

[Clint]

And Jimmy said, no, Sergey Ludwig nut sack. And I walked over there, and there was no penis at all. It was 1, 100% nut sack. And I walked over and I looked at it, and Jim, me and Jimmy are both looking at it, and I kicked a little bit of dirt on it. And I said, jimmy, get away from that. And that. That was the end of that one.

[Lewis]

Well, Clint.

[Mike]

I have.

[Lewis]

Stop it. Story stopped.

[Jimmy]

Okay, 8, 8, 8, 10.

[Lewis]

We appreciate it, Clint. Thank you so much for.

[Canine]

For calling.

[Lewis]

We'll see you on Monday. Take care, buddy. Thank you. All right, for official time, that was 8:14.

[Mike]

Okay, everybody, t Mill was the winner. We owe him two shirts now. T Mill, still need your address, brother. Somebody reached out to us on Instagram and said, hey, y' all told me to reach out to you, but they use their real names and messages, and then they have their pseudonyms, screen names.

[Lewis]

So I apologize. I answered a lot of messages. If you reach out, please reference what it is. Like, hey, you guys told me to reach out because Clint talked about the nuts. Yeah, the nutsack story, something like that.

[Mike]

Please, we've got to end it, but I want to talk about our guest here. The origin story. You know, canine.

[Lewis]

Yo.

[Mike]

So how did you. How did you come to be in the podcast sphere?

[Canine]

Okay, so I used to make music.

[Mike]

I made you look like it.

[Canine]

Thank you.

[Mike]

You look like you used to make music.

[Jimmy]

Thank you.

[Canine]

I take it as a compliment. I don't know if it is, but I'll take it as a comment. I love you, Tyler. So I made.

[Mike]

It's all good.

[Canine]

I made the intro for the Bobby Bones show. Shout out Bobby Bones. He's nationwide one of the top country music station stations, radio shows in the world. So I made an intro for their show. They took it. They flew me up to Nashville. I was on their show. I blew up. I had my five seconds of fame. Nothing came out of it. So then I started thinking. I was like, you know what? I lost my connections making music. I said, why don't I get into podcasting? So I got into podcasting, started telling a little bit of my life story, and then I moved more into the sports field because no one really cared about my life story. And I did sports podcasting for about two years, and I was getting maybe five to 10 views. And I had Mike on it a couple times. He told his, you know, stories. Copy Cobville story. My podcast started blowing up from him because he's got all the clout, not me.

[Lewis]

That's before I was Copville, too.

[Canine]

Yeah, this is. This is way before.

[Lewis]

Well, I actually was. I just didn't tell you. Yeah, yeah.

[Canine]

And, yeah, thanks for that. And so, you know, I wasn't getting anywhere with it. I sold my laptop, my original laptop. Not the Marketplace. Animal Porn one. And I started it up again, and Mike came to me and said, hey, you know, I joined counterculture and we want to get you on there. We want to start a sports show. You're the perfect guy. You're committed. You're. What was the word?

[Jimmy]

You.

[Canine]

A grinder.

[Lewis]

Grinder, But a hustler. Because at one point at a party, he was trying to sell me bamboo pill. Bamboo towels.

[Canine]

Bamboo towels.

[Lewis]

He was going to make the bamboo towel industry go.

[Mike]

He's a hustler. That's that movie. What's that movie? War Dogs, where he's just trying to make money.

[Lewis]

But he. He always had an idea.

[Mike]

And he sold sheets at first.

[Lewis]

Yeah, he always had an idea. So I was making fun of him about the. And I made fun about the podcast. Podcast. I'll be honest with you. I was like, your podcast. I didn't know what a podcast.

[Mike]

You were a hater.

[Canine]

Yes, he was. But it was all love.

[Lewis]

I mean, family.

[Mike]

Podcast.

[Lewis]

Because I kind of want to do it low key. No, I did. I did his podcast, like, let me, you know, let me tell. And it was good. But then it was like, I go over there one night, we're all drinking, and he's. We're doing shots. Patron. And he's trying to. I'm like, give me your spiel. He's drunk as hell, trying to sell me bamboo pillows or towels.

[Canine]

Bamboo towels. This ain't gonna work.

[Lewis]

Then he got back into podcasting, and I'm. I was like, hey, come on board.

[Canine]

He's my first cousin, so I let it slide. If he was my second cousin, we might have, you know, had some violence with it. But since he was my first cousin, I let it slide. But, yeah, now I'm on counterculture, which is a great company. I don't know if you guys heard it. So I go. I go live every Monday, 7pm Eastern. My Instagram's @k9_ Florida. And we talk. We talk sports and we break down, you know, the. We recap the last week in sports. Sports, different topics. Sipo's on it with me. We've been boys since we were like 15, so he's another sports geek. I don't just like this whole podcast. I didn't know what the hell was going on when you were saying tig. I was thinking of welders. Tig welding.

[Mike]

That's what a lot of people in.

[Canine]

The comments I had. I had no idea. I don't know anything about the war. Politics.

[Lewis]

Better that way. Yeah, you're not gonna get sued talking about sports.

[Canine]

I did vote for Trump. That's as far in politics I've ever gotten. Mike talked me into it, and I never voted before, so this was the first time I ever voted. I'm very Thanksgiving now.

[Lewis]

Yeah, our aunt's not gonna listen to the house.

[Canine]

Yeah, you better.

[Lewis]

Yeah, we have a democratic.

[Canine]

Unclip this and. But yeah, I'm just a sports geek. All I know is sports. That's all I know. And yeah, that's pretty much.

[Lewis]

He's so into sports that we have a tennis facility in our. In our town that actually has tennis matches you can gamble on. So he's there working. He's like, dude, you gotta bet on. You gotta bet on Janinsky. And I'm over there on Hard Rock app going through. Yeah, we love. We love 500 bucks on this.

[Jimmy]

He tells me.

[Lewis]

He's like, you gotta bet on this guy. So I'm like, you have to dig deep in the Hard Rock app to find this local tennis. 500 on this dude. He's like, I'm watching it live and the guy won.

[Mike]

You don't have to worry about catching heat for that dude.

[Lewis]

There's no insider info.

[Canine]

Well, I mean, technically, I work at a tennis facility. I'm the maintenance guy there. I do a little bit. Everything blue collar to the bone. I can fix it.

[Mike]

You're the guy that deflates football balls.

[Canine]

Yeah, exactly. I know where all the dead spots.

[Jimmy]

I'm not even the only one that thought he was a canine guy. There's other people in the chat. Like, I thought he was a kudo.

[Lewis]

No, he's on the other side of the law.

[Canine]

No. Yeah, I've been arrested multiple times. Definitely not a cop.

[Lewis]

Crazy, though.

[Canine]

You know, it's funny. Quick story. I went to a St. Lucie Mets baseball game, and I'm with all my boys, and I work out, you know, not trying to brag three, four times a week. I'm not as strong as I saw Your post? Yeah. I'm not as strong as Mike over here, but. Old dude, I'm at the baseball game and a cop that goes to the gym goes up to me. He's like, hey, what's up? Can I. Shakes my hand. All my boys look at me.

[Lewis]

Sellout.

[Canine]

Yeah. They're like, what? How do you know this dude? Now you gotta punch me in the.

[Lewis]

Face and drag me away?

[Canine]

I mean, I've caught heat over the years for being Mike's cousin. I was always known as Mike's cousin. Don't sell me the dope. You know, I had to go to different OGs that didn't know Mike, and they wouldn't let me re up with them because they know Mike and they were scared I was gonna say something.

[Mike]

You're ruining his business.

[Canine]

Yeah, I lived at my aunt's house or something. A cop car there. I used to hide my dope in the backyard. But, yeah, so I've caught a lot of heat from that. But now it's to my advantage.

[Lewis]

Wait, wait.

[Jimmy]

We cannot gloss over that.

[Mike]

You.

[Jimmy]

The cop cars in the front yard, the dopes hitting the backyard.

[Lewis]

When you be clear, it was weed.

[Canine]

It was. Yeah, it was.

[Lewis]

He says, dope.

[Jimmy]

You're thinking at that time, there's cocaine back there.

[Canine]

There might have been, but.

[Lewis]

But interesting.

[Canine]

It wouldn't have lasted long with me around. So. Yeah.

[Lewis]

So, yeah, we lived together, so I. My car was. I used to keep the car in front of my mom.

[Canine]

I lived on the back porch, so. At his.

[Lewis]

Where I lived when I was a kid.

[Canine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to sneak out the back door, go get some and come back.

[Jimmy]

This was all like. Like, did you. How do I ask this question?

[Lewis]

My dad's. I mean, you know, you shake my dad down the garage.

[Wyatt]

I was on.

[Lewis]

I didn't pay much attention to what he did. You're home.

[Canine]

You're like.

[Jimmy]

You're blind.

[Clint]

Like, when.

[Lewis]

Those are the years. I was drunk, so I wouldn't know what he was.

[Jimmy]

I mean, that's fair.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I wouldn't know.

[Canine]

He used to get so pissed at me.

[Lewis]

Yeah.

[Canine]

I remember one time I got in trouble for robbing a girl's quinceanera and two detectives.

[Jimmy]

Oh, my God. Come on.

[Canine]

It's a long story. It's a very long story.

[Mike]

You take their C4?

[Canine]

Not C4. I took their station wagon.

[Jimmy]

What? I'll deliver C4s to this one.

[Canine]

And I'm at my house. I just got done smoking K2 Spice, which was really, really popular back in the Day, and I was on.

[Mike]

I never did it, but people said I was on.

[Canine]

I was on felony probation, and they didn't drug test for it. So I'm at my house. I have an ankle monitor on. I just got out of juvie for something else, and I'm sitting there smoking K2 Spice. I hear a knock at the door. I'm like, oh, I'm tripping balls. And my boys run out. They hop my fence. I go up, and there's two detectives there. They come in, they put out a paper. There's five mug shots.

[Mike]

Where's the station wagon?

[Canine]

The station wagon's gone, and we're not.

[Jimmy]

Gonna talk about that.

[Canine]

They pull out a paper, and there's five mug shots. And my mug shot from when I was 16, I was mean mugging. I was wearing a raiders jersey. I looked like a badass. I'm like, yeah, I looked hard as. That's awesome. They're like, 10 out of 10 witnesses. Pick number four. And I'm like, oh, that's me.

[Lewis]

That ain't me.

[Canine]

And they're like, yeah, we just got off the phone with your cousin Mike. Like, your cousin just said, do whatever you got to do. He's sick and tired of you.

[Lewis]

So, I mean, you can only do so. And that. That goes into the whole, you know, wait, did you cop statement? Because I said, he's family, but, yeah, gotta do what you got to do.

[Jimmy]

Did you walk up to him and smack him in the back? No, I wasn't there. I think that was.

[Mike]

Not that.

[Lewis]

I think there was city.

[Canine]

That was city police.

[Lewis]

We lived in the county, but I was a county deputy. But at some point, you're like, you know, you get pulled over speed, and you get pulled up. Yeah, I drop my name. But when you start stealing cars, I'm like, hey, dog. Hey, man, I got. I gotta step out of the way.

[Canine]

Pick. The first time I got arrested, I was 16. In high school, I got caught selling weed. I had eighteen hundred dollars cash in my wallet.

[Jimmy]

Where were you selling weed at?

[Canine]

At the high school? So they. They picked me up at the high school. They checked my.

[Lewis]

Right. Then you throw something in the bushes. Yeah, I remember this.

[Canine]

I ran down the road. They pull a taser on me. I gave up because I didn't want to get tased. They took me to the office. I had eighteen hundred dollars cash on me at sixteen years old.

[Mike]

I just. Now I don't remember.

[Lewis]

And they're like, right now they're taking.

[Canine]

Pictures of me taking pictures. Picture of the money. They're like, dude, how do you have eighteen hundred dollars cash? You're sixteen. You're in high school.

[Mike]

I have a good allowance, man.

[Canine]

And so Mike, they took me to jail. They booked me. Mike picked me up, and was I.

[Lewis]

Off when I picked you up?

[Mike]

You. You picked me up.

[Canine]

And playing clothes. You're like, all right, You're. You're like, you wanted to be a gangster. This is it. You finally got arrested, you stupid. And he took me to his mom's house. His mom beat my ass. His sister beat my ass. My dad beat my ass. He grabbed me by the shoulders, in the neck a little bit. Not.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't.

[Canine]

I'm not like, no, you're pretty pissed.

[Lewis]

But I get mad.

[Canine]

There's many stories.

[Mike]

It looks like it worked.

[Canine]

It did. I'm clean now. I'm four years sober on hard drugs. You know, I hit the weed a little bit every now and then. I like to drink a little bit. But we're not here.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, the.

[Canine]

The drug days were rough. I've been in some low spots. I used to be 120 pounds. I used to be a fiend. So God bless.

[Mike]

What was your drug of choice?

[Canine]

Cocaine. And then when I ran out of money, I went to cheaper stuff because meth was cheaper, pills were cheaper.

[Mike]

Can I.

[Jimmy]

Can I ask a question of the cops and the. The gentleman in the middle? Seems like cocaine is everybody's drug of choice down here.

[Lewis]

Well, it covers all demographics. It covers your rich, you know, rich man's aspirin. It covers the rich people. It covers the poor people.

[Mike]

So you're talking about crack, too, or just.

[Jimmy]

No, I mean, just coke.

[Lewis]

Yeah, it covers it all.

[Canine]

It doesn't really mess with crack.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I mean, that's right.

[Mike]

As weird as it sounds, regular people do coke. And I remember one time I went to an OD call. An overdose in a regular house. People were dressed nice. They were going out to party. And I'm like, hey, what. What did he take? And they're like, you didn't take anything. I'm like, what? He's ODing? What did he take? I'm waiting on another. They're about to Narcan him.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I've never Narcan a person in my life. I almost Narcant him because he wasn't. He wasn't a drug user. He was somebody. They were like, he just did a line. It could have been cocaine and fentanyl on it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Canine]

It could have been color.

[Mike]

That's why he. He had never been anywhere near heroin or fentanyl in his life. So that little trace oh, made him od.

[Canine]

And that's why I know a lot of people. I'm not going to say their names, obviously, but I know people to this day where they buy a bag of coke and they do it first before they let their girlfriend or their friends do any of it. They're like, let me do a line of coke first. Make sure I don't die.

[Lewis]

Yeah, I'm doing this for y'.

[Mike]

All.

[Lewis]

Hey, hey.

[Jimmy]

There is honor amongst.

[Canine]

Man. The cook I used to get. I used to pull up to Gifford and I had an OG plug right on 45th. They used to call me Slim Shady. I'd pull up, knock on the door. I was like, the only white boy for miles. And they call me Slim Shady. Back when I was skinny and, dude, I used to get the best coke. Oh, my God. You.

[Mike]

You would talk off.

[Lewis]

Not supposed to talk like, you really want to do it again. No, dude, stay safe.

[Canine]

I mean, I never. I never will. Was.

[Lewis]

It's been a while since I had a beer.

[Canine]

No, it is great, dude. You know what's crazy is I have dreams sometimes about doing blow. And in my dream, I do a line, and then even in my head, I'm like, oh, my God, I ruined my. I relapsed. I ruined it, like, because I'm so proud of not doing it anymore. And everybody from Vero Beach, Gifford, Fort Pierce area, like, you were kind of bringing up coke is, like, more acceptable than weed. Like, oh, you smoke weed. You're. You're a scumbag. You do some blow, you do along with somebody. Like, oh, you're all right.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Canine]

Until it starts messing with your brain.

[Jimmy]

How long. How long you've been sober?

[Canine]

About four and a half years.

[Jimmy]

Hey, congratulations.

[Canine]

Thank you.

[Jimmy]

We didn't say it like, congrats.

[Canine]

No.

[Lewis]

Yeah, not a problem. Until you run out of the house with the microwave or the TV, dude. It's like, TV's on your shoulder, and it's like, all right, now I've gone too far at this point. Car's gone, Everything's gone.

[Canine]

What's crazy is when. When you first start doing blow, you're like, dude, I see why everybody gets addicted to it. I feel great. Like, you're just all pumped up. You feel great. Then after a couple years, it eats at your brain so much, you just start getting paranoid. You're, like, looking out windows and you're peeping, and, like, you think people are coming after you. Like, it's a scary. It's a very dark road.

[Lewis]

THC drinks do that too. I've been there.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, well, I guess.

[Canine]

Yeah, maybe.

[Jimmy]

Hey, I did just steal a case of C of C4 for. So maybe you should give me some advice.

[Lewis]

Public defender. But yeah, that's a great story. Great turnaround. And like I said when I. When we. When you mentioned sports and this has had nothing to do with being a relative really, when you mentioned sports, I thought. I've never seen a kid. Obviously similar story. Mine was alcohol. But I've seen somebody go from fighting with their dad, getting arrested, being a terrible, terrible kid and then just turning it all around, becoming a. A family man, man of God. And getting into like, hard, hard work. Outdoors, summer, just miserable heat, grinding to get his job done. And like, he was podcast before it was cool. He was podcasting 10 years ago before anybody.

[Canine]

Yeah.

[Lewis]

Knew anything about it. And then I went, this is the guy to get back in this job, and he'll respect it and he'll. And, you know, run with it. Except on Sunday mornings, I can't get him to commit. But other than that.

[Canine]

Well, I go to church. Dude, don't use that.

[Lewis]

Gotta love you on Wednesday.

[Canine]

Church is what's keeping me straight.

[Lewis]

You on Wednesday too.

[Mike]

All right. Go check out K9 at Counterculture Ink Sports tonight, 7pm Counterculture Inc. Network. He'll be live. Hopefully.

[Canine]

If the laptop works, you better have a backup plan.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I know.

[Canine]

I might stop at Best Buy on the way home. I don't know if. If any.

[Mike]

Putting the pressure on him in the lobby. You know, you can go 18 months. No 0%.

[Lewis]

I got a Best Buy card. I just bought one for my wife.

[Canine]

Let me use yours. 600 bucks.

[Lewis]

Let me use 600 bucks. Dude, it.

[Mike]

Jv team for life.