11/20/2025: VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS vs FOREIGN WAR VETERANS

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: Veterans of Foreign Wars vs Foreign War Veterans
Date: November 20, 2025
Host(s): Mike Diltz, Jay, Jimmy Arnett
Special Guests: Chet & Chuko (Foreign War Veterans Motorcycle Club / Ex-VFW MC)

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Episode Overview

This week’s episode dives into the escalating conflict between the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) national organization and the now-separate veteran-founded VFW Motorcycle Club, who have rebranded as the Foreign War Veterans Motorcycle Club after a controversial and abrupt separation ordered by the VFW. The hosts welcome leaders of the club for a frank discussion on generational divides, recruitment failures, and the struggle for modern relevance in legacy veteran organizations. The roundtable also covers current events, updates on recent controversies (including Rob O'Neill and the Charlie Kirk incident), touches on the Epstein files, and addresses burning questions from the audience, all in the show’s distinctly irreverent, no-nonsense style.

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Key Segments & Discussions

1. VFW Chronicles: Breakdown of the VFW vs Motorcycle Club Feud

• Timestamps: 06:43–25:44
• Key Points:
  • The VFW Motorcycle Club, based in San Diego since 2004, aimed to draw a younger generation of veterans to the VFW through community and charity events, helping rejuvenate local posts.
  • Despite years of service and outreach, VFW National abruptly issued a legal cease-and-desist against the club, threatening those who helped sustain the very organization.
  • The club has since rebranded to the Foreign War Veterans Motorcycle Club but continues its veteran support mission independently.
• Notable Quotes:
  • Chet: “Our only mission is to help vets, and for 20 years, we were trying to bridge the youth gap between us and the VFW.” (12:40)
  • Jay: “[The VFW] don't want outside entities or anybody that has any interest in making the VFW grow organically. They don't want any solutions and they're definitely not looking for any.” (14:08)
  • Jimmy Arnett: “The VFW is filled with old people who have done the same things the same way every time... and anybody that comes in there, whether it's riding motorcycles or... let's do something for first responders that were also veterans—nobody wants to do that stuff. Because you start interrupting the power base.” (18:38)
• Memorable moment: Hosts and guests reflect on how "old guard" bureaucracy clings to tradition, resists innovation, and potentially sees new, younger leadership as a threat to established order and perks.

2. Can the VFW Be Saved? Gatekeeping and Recruitment Blues

• Timestamps: 15:30–24:04
• Discussion of the VFW’s rigid membership requirements, resistance to non-traditional leadership, and near-inevitable demographic decline:
  • Mike, a new lifetime member, questions the possibility of real change from within and whether the old guard is simply protecting their positions (16:39).
  • Chet argues that “Anything's possible, and the VFW is doing nothing but getting older... somebody's gonna have to take the lead. Somebody who's young.” (20:27)
• The hosts point out how many local VFW posts are kept afloat by supporters and non-members—often veterans themselves who don’t meet post-WWII war deployment criteria.

3. Behind the Scenes: Current State and Survival of VFW Posts

• Timestamps: 27:06–29:59
• Hosts explore how poor business models and lack of modernization are dooming local posts, using fast-food and retail analogies to compare adaptive vs. stagnant organizations.
  • Jay: “You can't have something that was set in World War II or earlier, still looks the same when you walk in and the same memorabilia is on the wall. It doesn't work. It has to be changed, updated, modernized.” (28:41)
• The team discusses taking over local VFW posts with a surge of younger, active veterans to force a regime—and cultural—change.

4. Security and the Charlie Kirk Shooting Incident

• Timestamps: 30:02–39:41
• Jimmy recaps highlights from the Sean Ryan show with Charlie Kirk’s head of security concerning a recent attack:
  • The importance of venue site surveys, ignored warnings about roof access, and the haunting parallel with prior failures at a Trump rally.
  • The bodyguard’s debunking of various conspiracy claims and the controversy over the lack of an “exit wound” on the victim.

5. Epstein Files: Release, Conspiracy & International Intrigue

• Timestamps: 45:12–51:12
• Jimmy brings betting odds: Senate and House have almost unanimously voted to release Epstein’s files pending security redactions; Trump is expected to sign.
  • Files are rumored to include classified intel involving domestic and foreign agencies—suggesting a blackmail operation targeting politicians.
  • The legality of “underage” activity on Epstein Island is debated, with differences in international law considered.

6. Deep Dive: Rob O'Neill, Bin Laden Raid, and the After-Action Report Debate

• Timestamps: 57:49–75:49
• Major moments:
  • A video surfaces where O’Neill openly claims after-action reports (AARs) are “not always honest” and are crafted to “report to the officer... especially if it's on tape.” (58:48)
  • Host reactions are shock and frustration—“How do you just say that? They lie in their after action reviews?” (59:02) with discussions about credibility within law enforcement/military and the impact of such statements.
  • Quote: “...If we can't trust the testimony of other operators, if the AAR is not 100... I guarantee you there are guys at damn neck that are rolling over in their grave right now.” – Jimmy (62:27)
  • Debate over conflicting versions of the raid and who fired shots, the chain of truth in elite team reports, and how public statements like O’Neill’s can undermine trust.
• Memorable segment: Discussion on slander/defamation and how verifiability separates damaging fact from opinion (68:39).

7. Venezuelan Updates: US Policy, Target Lists, and Geopolitics

• Timestamps: 75:54–82:07
• NYT leak of US military target lists for Venezuela (airstrikes on drug and military targets).
• Insight into routine Pentagon planning vs. news headlines; speculation that leaks serve as warnings or soft power.
• Discussion of strategic necessity: securing South America as friction with China continues to build towards 2028.

8. Satellites, Space Travel, and Tangent Zone

• Timestamps: 82:07–93:06
• Freeform discussion of the International Space Station’s scheduled “de-orbit,” the feasibility of Mars travel, physics, light-years, and the impossibility of verifying astronomical claims firsthand.
• Notable banter: “There's no trees on Mars—how are we going to breathe?” – Jay (86:22)

9. Law Enforcement Culture, Whistleblowing, and the Sal Cases

• Timestamps: 99:39–109:04
• A frank exchange on why police brass and agencies shun transparency, fearing exposure via podcasts/social media.
• The latest in the Sal Adirati case: prosecution struggles to find credible expert witnesses, the grand jury process, and the emotional toll on the wrongly accused officer.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the VFW’s decline:
  Mike Diltz: “In 10 to 15 years, I predict that 90% of VFW posts will be closed down... they’re going to be shut down, bought out, and turned into bars with successful business plans.” (22:02)
• On after-action honesty:
  Rob O’Neill (video): “We don’t mention that we shot them all, we didn’t mention that guys did shoot Osama bin Laden after I had killed him. We didn’t mention those, but they happened. What does that tell you? After action report is not 100% correct.” (60:52)
• On law enforcement witness credibility:
  Jay: “If you get caught on a body camera saying to a citizen, oh, we make up all the time on reports... you’re not credible witness anymore. Every defense attorney would rip it apart.” (71:51)
• On government bureaucracy:
  Jimmy Arnett: “It’s like running a charity and saying, this guy pulled on a motorcycle, we’re not going to take his ten-dollar bonus... because he looks like a criminal. It just… doesn’t make any sense.” (26:22)
• On whistleblower risk:
  Jay: “If I get sniped telling the truth about what’s right, then so be it.” (103:32)
• On the closed universe theory:
  Jimmy Arnett: “It’s a closed system, guys. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. Wasn’t designed for us to get in or out.” (89:26)

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Additional Highlights

• Merch and Patreon: New Antihero Broadcast merch announced; Patreon subscribers get exclusive behind-the-scenes and early access (55:02–57:49).
• Audience Engagement: The chat is lively and interactive; several new Patreon/YouTube members join throughout the show.
• Humor & Tangents: The crew riffs on everything from war crimes investigations to whether the North Pole is real, offering a mix of irreverent humor and real talk.

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Conclusion

This episode is essential listening for veterans, first responders, or anyone interested in the internal divides of legacy organizations and the difficulties of generational change. Through candid interviews, debate, and the Antihero team's trademark sarcasm, the show spotlights how mission-driven groups can lose their way, why leadership resists innovation, and how modern platforms offer whistleblowers and reformers a new voice. As always, the episode ties in current events and listener Q&A with engaging sidebars, making for a raw, informative, and thoroughly entertaining broadcast.

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Transcript

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[Mike Diltz]

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[Jay]

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[Mike Diltz]

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[Jay]

Always is. All day, but it's fun.

[Mike Diltz]

So we're gonna do a couple segments today. We're gonna the VFW Chronicles, the Rob o' Neill updates. We're gonna do a lot, but we'll recap this week a little bit. The burglar that we. We found out who it was last episode, the C4 Burglar. And we. And. Oh, there he is right there. He's here. The C4 is here.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's the. It's the. It's the eyewitness.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay. He's not pressing any charges. No, no. So we're good.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Technically, it was kidnapping.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, it was. It's kidnapping. So.

[Jimmy Arnett]

But we just.

[Mike Diltz]

Mike asked. It's just kind of off the cuff. He Was like, is anybody. Anybody wants to make this come alive, we'll pay you money. A lot of people made it come alive. So I made a little. A little. A little skit of the videos that people made. Lewis is going to roll that for us now.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Roll that beautiful bean footage. What the. What the. That's my bad. Yeah, that's on me, dude.

[Mike Diltz]

Totally my bad. That first one was Kenny Williams that got cut off.

[Jay]

It wasn't me. Nope, wasn't me. For real, dude. It so wasn't me. Wasn't me. I don't even know how to burglarize a studio. It was not me. Seriously, wasn't me.

[Mike Diltz]

Please explain to me the infraction.

[Jay]

Like, what the heck did I even do wrong here? Come on, spill. Was Rob o', Neal, not me.

[Mike Diltz]

All right, that's it. That was 4 more than I thought people would actually do. Apparently, AI is a little easier than I thought.

[Jay]

Yeah, that looks pretty good. The south park anything South Park o'.

[Mike Diltz]

Neill. I don't even know how to burglarize a business.

[Jay]

That was good. That is good.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. So we put an end to that. So the first thing we're going to do is touch on the VFW Chronicles, go ahead and pull up our little thing. In theory, it won't take this long next time, but we're working with it. Is there a way to. We'll. We'll make it an image on the screen rather than share the screen. But, but, but, no, not the. I don't think we worked on that yet. But anyways, you can go back to us. Okay. We have. We're gonna bring on, hopefully if. If they Chuck and so what happened was there was the motorcycle Club, the Veteran of Foreign Wars Motorcycle Club out of California, I believe, in San Diego. And I'll read this.

[Jay]

Just the emails have been coming in. There's one.

[Mike Diltz]

I'm.

[Jay]

I think so cc'd in.

[Mike Diltz]

Veteran of Foreign Wars Motorcycle Club, sir, severs ties with VFW after abrupt shutdown and threats against. Legal threats against veterans.

[Jay]

That sounds familiar.

[Mike Diltz]

Veterans Foreign Wars Motorcycle Club was founded in San Diego, California, 2004, with a purpose to support fellow veterans and help strengthen the veteran community by connecting younger generations of service members to the organization, which is something that we've been bringing to the table. And the VFW has been failing at, notoriously. So, yeah, their. Their mission is to. If you want to go ahead and put some of those pictures up on there, this is back when they were the Veteran of Foreign Wars Motorcycle Club, I believe That's Chuko. And then just.

[Jay]

We'll.

[Mike Diltz]

We'll put some more up as we talk about it. They. Throughout These years, VFW MC served as one of the VFW's most dynamic and effective tools for outreach. It bridged generational gaps, attracted new members, increased post activ, and embodied the principle of service beyond the uniform. Members led rides, public events and charity efforts showcased the VFW as a living, active community, not just building or arguing or aging institution. Many veterans discovered the VFW because the motorcycle club found belonging and built last lasting relationships rooted in shared duty and identity. So in accordance, despite this record of dedication, cooperation, mutual support, the VFW national headquarters suddenly issued a cease and desist order threatening legal action against the club if it continued to exist. The shutdown was abrupt, expected, and unexpected and deeply disheartening to the veterans who had invested years of service into strengthening the vfw, the very people who helped promote and sustain the organization its own lifetime. Members were now told to disband or face legal consequences. Is this was posted. This was put out for immediate release in November of 2025. So this month. So they heard us kind of talking about the vfw. They reached out. I believe we have both Chuck and Chet. They have now since rebranded to the Foreign War Veterans Club or Foreign Wars Motorcycle Club. And let's bring those guys on here. I don't have my glasses. Who's got video? Is that Ched or Chuck? Hey, Chat and Chuko.

[Jay]

Good morning, guys. You.

[Mike Diltz]

No video for you. Right? You don't want to be on video. We can't see you.

[Jay]

Oh, gosh, hold on. A little technical difficulties over here. Bear with me.

[Mike Diltz]

All right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We're used to that.

[Jay]

I thought we had like a. Like a, like we were infiltrating something. We had a real deep, deep thing going on.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We got a deep cover.

[Jay]

Yeah. You see inside the vfw, that was taking it down.

[Mike Diltz]

But yeah, I mean, I brought you. I. I'm really glad you guys came on. We've been very critical of the VFW as what I guess linked us up. They refuse to really acknowledge the fact that they're not their business. My big things is their business plan is ridiculous. They have no social media strategy that's put on paper that I've seen, and they have no. They've shown no effort to recruit a younger generation of war veterans or veterans, which would be my argument. So we'll start with. With Chet, man. Thank you for coming on. And what's. What's your take on this whole thing? What's your position in the club? Stuff like that.

[Chet]

Okay, so I've been in the club since 2011. And Papa Burt, our founder, he created the club for that specific purpose. You try to get younger people in. I'm currently the president of the San Diego chapter, the, the original chapter that started it all. And, and we certainly did a lot of recruiting a lot of younger folks because they were attracted to the motorcycle club and they're attracted to the motorcycle.

[Mike Diltz]

It's cool. It's cool.

[Jay]

Especially right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

2011. That's that sons of Anarchy.

[Mike Diltz]

That sounds anarchy time there.

[Chet]

Some would say that the, A lot of people in VFW watch too much of that. So let me just be straight up. I'm not a criminal. Nobody in my organization is a criminal. Some of us work for the government with secret clearances. So we're not going to jeopardize that by, yeah, being a criminal organization. You know, we have families to feed.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So, yeah.

[Chet]

Our only mission is, is to help vets. And, and for 20 years, we were trying to bridge the, the youth gap between us and the vfw.

[Mike Diltz]

Why do you think the VFW did what they did very abruptly and fast and swift?

[Chet]

Well, I actually went to the VFW National Convention in July of 24.

[Mike Diltz]

And.

[Chet]

It was at that point that me, I felt very unwelcome.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And.

[Chet]

It was shortly after that, in September, where we got our cease and desist order to stop.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay.

[Chet]

So I mean, I felt, you guys know, you've been overseas, so you've felt this before when you're hated and not wanted. And I felt like that while I was there.

[Mike Diltz]

Chuko, what do you think? What's your, what's your opinion?

[Jay]

I think that they just don't like other people's hands in the pot is what I think.

[Mike Diltz]

They weren't threatened or anything. They weren't like that. Nothing came down. I mean, it just, it seems from what I'm reading, from what you sent me, they didn't take into consideration everything you've done and they just straight up, hey, by the way, we're done with you.

[Jay]

Yeah, absolutely. They don't, I don't think they, they want outside entities or anybody that has any interest in making the VFW grow organically, if you will. They don't, they don't want, they don't want any solutions and they're definitely not looking for any.

[Mike Diltz]

Mike, my co host here, actually talks about how they're just, they're just a.

[Jay]

Racket well, what I, I, what I noticed immediately from looking, I'm, you know, I profile. I worked the road for 23 years and investigations and stuff. You look at the, the people on the national platform on those pictures, they don't look like you guys. They're very, they don't have facial hair. They're very, they've look like, you know, like you would normally see in some bureaucracy of, of people that probably didn't get their hands too dirty and they got elected to a position where now they're in charge of things and they really don't understand the connection with the guys on the ground or the guys that are out doing the actual stuff like you guys are doing. And it seems like you're threatening their racket. And it's like, we better just get rid of these guys before we're not elected to these fancy positions in D.C. and go to all these conferences. That's an outsider looking in. I remember the VFW is a very small kid with my grandfather who served in World War II took me. But from looking at the setup and then looking at you guys, I would want to hang out with you guys. I think you guys with taking in the right direction. And the people I see on the national picture of that hierarchy don't look like they really have any experience. My opinion.

[Mike Diltz]

Do you guys think that people of our. So when I talk to the pio, the Public Information Officer, I think that's his name. I don't know of the, the, of the national headquarters. You know, they're going to come on here and I'm going to ask them about this situation. I'm sure they'll plead the Fifth and say, I don't really, I don't really know what you're talking about or I can't speak on that. But, you know, I'm not trying to speak for him. But you know, they, they're like, oh, well, in our leadership positions, we do have oef, oif, you know, veterans. And it's, it's like Mike said, they look the part of, we call it brass and admin. They look kind of like that. They don't, I know they don't have anybody with flat bill hats, tattoos and, and I don't know, are they, are they really, are they worried about someone like us taking leadership positions and actually affecting change and will that affect people's wallets? I just became a lifetime member myself. I already missed a meeting to vote me in, so I gotta go next month. But, you know, are they, are they, were they worried about people like us kind of making change and will their wallets be affected by it? Is there some kind of weird scheme going on?

[Chet]

There's. I believe that there's a misconception that if. If you belong to a motorcycle club that you're a criminal, period.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Chet]

And there's no. There's no change in that opinion. Trust me. I've spent 20 years. Well, most of 20 years since 11, and the organization has spent 20 years trying to convince them otherwise. It's just not happening. At least. At least not in the leadership that's there.

[Mike Diltz]

Are you. Are you guys still VFW members?

[Chet]

Yeah, I'm a lifetime member. Yes.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. Do you still go to meetings?

[Chet]

I'm sorry.

[Jay]

Absolutely not.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, I was gonna say, do you guys still participate? You go to meetings? Are you guys done with the vfw?

[Chet]

Nope, I'm done.

[Jay]

How many. How many in your group in San Diego? How many guys you have in the motorcycle group? We have 10 in San Diego right now. We have two.

[Mike Diltz]

Two.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We covered two states, four chapters.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay. Oh, wow. Okay.

[Jay]

Okay. And they just basically said, we don't. We don't want you.

[Mike Diltz]

That's it.

[Jay]

Yeah, that. Like, he said that. That's like the. In the police world, that's the admin. That's the brass going. These guys are out here doing things differently. And. And you guys are going to be cooler. I mean, like I said, I'd hang out with you guys in a minute. Those guys on those paper. I see. For those, I wouldn't want to be. I wouldn't want to hang out with those people just based on observation. So they're probably. I would think they're threatened. And it's unfortunate that the goal is to get more people in the bfw. Why would you isolate people instead of bringing everybody together? And that seems very counterproductive.

[Mike Diltz]

Well, seems like old people. I mean, no. No offense to anybody in the vfw, but, I mean, you got to be hip. You got to be cool. Recruiting. That's recruiting 101. You got to make it a cool. You can't throw a party and make it not look cool.

[Jay]

Yeah. Jimmy, what's your take on it?

[Jimmy Arnett]

My take? Oh, you don't even want my take.

[Mike Diltz]

I do.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Let him cook. My take is that the VFW is filled with old people who have done the same things the same way every time. And this is the way we've always done it, and it always freaking works. And anybody that comes in there, whether it's riding motorcycles or like, hey, let's reach out to GWAT veterans or hey, let's, let's do something for, hey, first responders that were also veterans. Nobody wants to do that stuff. Nobody. Because if you do that, then you just like you said, you're going to start interrupting the power base.

[Jay]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's my opinion. And I mean the. Whether you drive, ride a motorcycle or whatever. I mean, I think motorcycles are easy. It's easy to go, oh, those guys ride motorcycles and they must be criminals. Like, well, get the out.

[Jay]

Yeah, that's what I think. I mean, that's. It's unfortunate that an organization that's struggling with isolate people that are trying to help. It makes no sense.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, then you have to make the assumption then, right? You got to go. Okay, well, why would you do that? Why would you do that? Well, it's because something somewhere is you. You have to be getting a monetary gain or some kind of gain somewhere by getting rid of this game.

[Mike Diltz]

Yep.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So what's that gain? Yep. And what do we always say? Follow the money, Right?

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, then where's the money?

[Jay]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. So I mean, you guys, do you guys think that someone like me, a new lifetime member after I do a year of ups, you know, what do they call it? You got to be like, no issues. You gotta.

[Jay]

In good standing.

[Mike Diltz]

In good standing. If I do a year in good standing and then I get. And I, and I help change my VFW and then I get my letter of recommendation from the state that I live in, do you think it's possible for someone like us to. To get a position in national headquarters, or do you think that's an impossibility. Chat.

[Jay]

You want to tackle that?

[Chet]

Well, you know, to be honest, I say anything's possible. And at the, I mean, the VFW is doing nothing but getting older.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Chet]

And, you know, somebody's gonna have to take the lead. Somebody. Somebody who's young.

[Mike Diltz]

What's your take, Chuko?

[Jay]

Yeah, you know, from the post level, I think they're definitely in need of dire help. You know, we don't have anything against anybody in the vfw, especially at the post level. Locally here, you know, we love the local post. We supported them. I think that at that, at that level they definitely will accept the help. But once you start getting higher and higher up the chain of command, I don't think that they want anybody. They don't want you guys in there. And you have to spend, you know, quite a bit of time within the organization for them to be able to be Able to accept you or welcome you into the higher authoritarian levels, if you will.

[Mike Diltz]

Politics, baby.

[Jay]

I would be curious that Jimmy said money, where it's like. It would be like McDonald's, allowing McDonald's in certain areas to just fall apart and then keep these ones good. Like a corporation is going to want all their businesses running.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Accordingly. So it's very strange to me that something structured out of Washington, D.C. that has all these members and all these boards and all these national conferences are looking at a place like here in Lake Mary, Florida, that is falling apart, failing, and just go, we don't care. Yeah, we don't care.

[Mike Diltz]

That was the consensus I got when I talked to Pio, is that, hey, man, we can't. We some do good, some do bad. We can't micromanage all of them. And I understand that. I really do understand that.

[Jay]

And it's a terrible business model.

[Mike Diltz]

So I asked him, I was like, if all. I was like, look at the longevity. In 10 to 15 years, I predict that 90 of VFW posts will be closed down. I was like, will that affect the VFW's mission? Because their mission is bringing, really. Their mission is lobbying veterans rights to dc. I believe that that's what they would say. I'm nutshelling it and I'm paraphrasing, but I believe that they would say that's their mission. And I'm like, will you be able to continue the VFWS without the posts? Because they are going to go away. They're going to be shut down, bought out and turned into bars with successful business plans. And they didn't really have an answer for me. So we're gonna, we're gonna put them on the hot seat. I've been in contact with them. We're gonna bring them on and ask them some basic but apparently challenging questions. So that being said, when I'm president of the VFW or not president, when I'm commander of the national chapter, first thing I'm doing is I'm getting rid of the goofy hats. They're stupid, no one likes them, and they look retarded. If the military can alter their head out time to be like, to fit an image that we're trying to be. We're trying to be the US Military. We can't look goofy. It's just, it doesn't. First off, second thing I'm doing is I'm allowing members, allowing people that aren't veterans of foreign war but are military veterans to become members. That's going to be the biggest thing that saves the vfw, for some reason, they won't allow people that never went overseas in a combat zone to be a member. And we go to VFWs all around and people are, that are keeping it afloat can't even be members, dude. They're, it's so disrespectful that the people they're helping the most. I understand. If you weren't in the military, I get it. You know, wives, local supporters, totally understand it. You do got to draw the line somewhere. But guys, you know how many guys we talked to that were like, I can't be a member. Like, I can't. I want to. I would love to. I would do anything to be a member. I can't. All of them. All of us. Almost all of them. Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, am I wrong? Tell me I'm wrong.

[Jay]

Every guy in there was. Yeah. Every guy in the one we went to couldn't. There's not one. I don't know if there's a member there.

[Jimmy Arnett]

The only three veterans of Foreign wars in there were us. Three.

[Jay]

Yeah, you too.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

[Jay]

I'm a leg in that area.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I keep forgetting you weren't.

[Mike Diltz]

No, that's my bad.

[Jay]

I joined way back or.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Where was he?

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. All right, guys, so is there any, is there anything else that we didn't ask you, Chad? I just wanted to, we just really wanted to show that what your club did for the VFW in, in the west coast, in California, everything I, I, you guys did send the pictures of you guys putting on new roofs of two VFW posts. It's, it just blows my mind that the VFW just think that they can serve a cease and cyst. And of course you guys aren't going to lawyer up. You guys are just going to rebrand, change it up, you know, same mission, new name. But I, I, I respect you guys, and I feel like that's going to give you guys the now really not hinder you guys and not hold you guys down because you don't have to deal with those goof troops at the VFW in the national chapter. So is there anything else that you guys wanted to put on put out there so that we're tracking it? Can you guys hear me, Chad?

[Jay]

Oh, yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, I was letting Chad there. You know, we're still here, we're still relevant, we're still helping veterans. And that's the important thing here, is, is we're looking out for one another. Looking out for other veterans and we will continue to do so. So no matter, you know, what the name is, the mission still stands the same.

[Mike Diltz]

All right, guys, I really appreciate your time. Thank you. And I'm sure we'll be in touch with new updates. This is going to be a segment we do once a week called the VFW Chronicles. And you guys, you guys, you guys killed the day. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you guys. We appreciate it.

[Chet]

Yeah, thank you for having us.

[Mike Diltz]

Absolutely, man. Keep fighting a good fight.

[Chet]

If, if I get in the Florida area, I'll hook you all up.

[Mike Diltz]

Absolutely. Come out of the studio.

[Jay]

Yes, sir.

[Jimmy Arnett]

VFW post 300 meters away.

[Mike Diltz]

Later, guys.

[Jay]

Bye, guys.

[Mike Diltz]

All right, all right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's a little disheartening, man.

[Jay]

Yeah, it's just strange. I mean that, that goes to me, goes back to everything else we know about anything or oriented with the government. It's all those people doing are preserving their own positions and it'd be like, it'd be like running a charity and be like this guy pulled on a motorcycle. We're not going to take his ten dollar bonus. We're not gonna take his money like because he looks like a criminal. It just, it doesn't make any sounds like they're threatened or they want it to fail. And like you said, I think I like that. Like you said, I think if, if all those posts go away, they don't care. They're still going to get elected. Their positions are still going to hang out in D.C. they're going to have some status up there and they're gonna be. Well, we're not, we're not, we're not doing posts anymore. But we're still advocating for vets and they're going to continue to get paid. Like you said, everybody on that list you showed me didn't look very, very rugged.

[Jimmy Arnett]

There's a disconnect between the people on the posts and the people up up at D.C. for sure. I, I, and I don't just mean like, oh, like hey, we don't understand what's going on on the ground. I mean it's like a complete division where it's like, hey, the posts do their thing and that's cool.

[Jay]

Sounds a lot like the government, but.

[Jimmy Arnett]

But we've got our own stuff. Don't tell me you can't micromanage it because you've got people in charge all the way down to. So you can't tell me that.

[Mike Diltz]

Good point.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You can't micromanage this.

[Jay]

It's not micromanage.

[Mike Diltz]

It's leading it.

[Jay]

Yeah, it's called, it's called leading it. It's like we have rules and this is the basics of like here's the little statue book and you guys are going to do this and you can't do that. It's, it's basic, like, but there has to be some directive going in each direction of how we're going to operate. You can't just be like, we don't know that. We can't micromanage them.

[Jimmy Arnett]

They're going to fail.

[Jay]

Like, that doesn't seem good.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That doesn't help you. I mean, going back to your McDonald's idea, I mean, it's like, hey, if, if the McDonald's here is not doing so good, well, let's take a look at it. Well, let's start with the first part. Like, was it on a man? You know, like. And you see basic business.

[Jay]

Look at Wawa Wawa down the road is brand new. And they just redid it again. Like something was off. They just redid the whole inside. It's like they're staying up with the times. Walmart boom, up. They change my Walmart change. Like overnight I walked in, I'm like, this place is to going completely different. Like it looks new. So those companies in a good business model continue to evolve with everything that's going on in the world. You can't have something that was set in like World War II or earlier, still looks the same when you walk in and the same memorabilias on the wall. It doesn't work. It's not going to work. And it has to be changed and it has to be updated and modernized.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And so here's, here's what I think. This is my plan. We get as many vets as we can. We go all sign up for the VFW post right over there. Now we're all voting members and now we can vote the old people out and be like, get out.

[Mike Diltz]

Honestly, the vibe I got first off the post right there, amazing dudes.

[Jimmy Arnett]

They are great.

[Mike Diltz]

Amazing dudes. I actually went and met the guys that weren't there when we did our live show. Amazing dudes. And I really feel like if they're just, they're. This isn't a dig at the vfw. It's not a dig on them. I really feel like there's no one else and they just do it because no one else will do it. I guarantee you. If young guys stood up and said, I really want to take go for this post next year, can you be My mentor, I. He would be like, yes, every day I will. I want to just come in and drink a beer because I'm 60 years old.

[Jay]

You think about. You have access to a bar, a venue, cookouts, all the things that come with that building. That it's difficult for us. Like, we have a studio.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

But if we move over there and say, now we have this place to start modernizing it, getting events going. It grows, man. You can. And it can be all different kinds of events. But there's. You're right. Those guys have regular jobs. They work normal jobs, and they're trying to hold it together without support from the top. And, and you know, it's tough to get people to volunteer, but it might take a regime change and some social media and some technology to get that place moving again. And it, I mean, it's.

[Mike Diltz]

We have the, we have the technology, we have the social media to help them and to. I don't want to say we have the social media to challenge the VFW national chapter. We do. They. They don't. No offense. But anyways, let's. Let's hit on some current events. Charlie Kirk's bodyguard ahead of security on the Sean Ryan show. What was significant about that?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, there was a couple of things. Number one is he. They had already known and, and done a. What we call a site survey. You know, so if you're working for u. S. Department of state, right. You go to your venue, you look around, you go, oh, where would snipers be at? They'd already done that. They found out that there was roof access, that it was open to the students, and they basically sent an email. There's an email chain between the head of security and the chief of the school police. I think that's how it looks like.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

They have their own agency and said, hey, there's roof access. Can you at least lock them down or put a, put a person there? And the chief said, I got your. I got you covered. I'll take care of it. And it was not.

[Jay]

No.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Second of all, you know, when you. He. And he described it really well, which is stuff that we had already talked about on the show, is that like, yes, there was 180 degree field of view, but there was only a good 8ft of visual from the front where you could actually see and get a shot.

[Jay]

And you would think that the president Trump situation, that we're not, we're not rocket scientists here, but the roof was used once to almost kill the future president of the United States. You would think when somebody says, hey, check the roof, you'd go, you know what? We're not going to get, we're not going to get duped a second time from a rooftop. And we did.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I, I, here's what I mean, even I don't, I mean, I was a, I was a sniper for, for four and a half years. I can't imagine. I mean, that was just my time in the army. I did it more later on. I can't imagine going to a venue where somebody has had many, many death threats and go, hey, that rooftop right there, that has access, that's less than 100 meters away. Can we cover that somehow with maybe.

[Jay]

Put your own sniper up there?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Or even if it's just a police officer, if it's just a, you know, some dude getting paid overtime to sit. Hey, I'm here to sit on the roof and make sure nobody gets on this. Yeah, I mean, does that sound like something you would do?

[Jay]

I would think after having the President of the United, Future President, United States almost killed from a rooftop, I would not want that to be on my plate as a leader of an agency that it happened a second time.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, do, do I have to be a sniper to, to make that call?

[Mike Diltz]

I don't know. Does Charlie Kirk's bot head of security have a job now?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Or he's going on Sean Ryan, so maybe he's, I mean, I don't know that he.

[Jay]

One thing he kind of debunked was the guy running around grabbing the cameras afterwards. Yeah, there was a bunch of conspiracy stuff about that. He said, that dude's legit. Like, that was a good thing he did. Yeah, because they're like, imagine if he abandons the camera, just takes off running, and then somebody gets that SD card out of the camera and now has four, you know, 4K video from right there. Now you can flip that back on me. Conspiracy. That.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Oh, they didn't want it, you know, because they were going to alter it.

[Mike Diltz]

But who took the cameras?

[Jay]

The guy there was a media guy, was in charge of setting everything up. And if you notice right after it happens, he makes a tick tock like, oh, my God, they shot Charlie and he's doing something, but then he goes up.

[Mike Diltz]

You got to take advantage of it. You got to cease the moment.

[Jay]

I guess he took the, if you watch, he takes the camera that's directly behind him that was like facing from behind and takes it down. But it was his camera, it was his stuff. And they were like, oh, my God.

[Jimmy Arnett]

He'S tainting the scene.

[Jay]

But this guy was saying on Sean Ryan, imagine if some in the crowd just grabs that video, and now the FBI doesn't have it. Nobody has it. And again, I'm barring all conspiracy theories. If the FBI was involved and everything else that everybody said for basic, he. He grabbed everything and was like, that's what he should have done.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's. It's right there.

[Jay]

And it was his stuff, and he.

[Mike Diltz]

Kept it and he gave it to authorities. Right.

[Jay]

Yeah, he did. He turned over the FBI and.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And for the. He works for Charlie's wife now.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Because that was the other thing he said was that, like, people are like, she had something to do with this, or she doesn't seem that upset. He's like, that is not the case.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. I think the rumors start running rampant.

[Jay]

Everybody's different. I mean, everybody's gonna handle that differently.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

And she's very. She's very close to God, and she has a different. She believes he's, you know, with God, and instead of being sobbing on tv, she's trying to fight the mission.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, but that does not mean that behind closed doors. No.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Basket case.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

In a. Not in a negative way, but if she.

[Jay]

Yeah. If she shows weakness on the camera constantly, then I'm. I'm. You know, that's weakness for everybody. She shows strength on the camera, strengthen, prevails, and. And everybody goes forward, you know, but you can't even be tough on tv. You're. You're a conspiracy theorist. If you're tough. If she cries too much, they'll say, oh, she's overdoing it. It's like, there's no way to get it right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, we live in a very small microcosm of we can't get it.

[Jay]

Truman show, man. Yeah, Truman show, dude. It's like, no matter what.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So I. I mean, the. The one thing that I did sort of scratch my head on. He said that there was no exit wound.

[Mike Diltz]

Who did?

[Jimmy Arnett]

The head of security. Because he was there right on top of him. Which is what you're supposed to do if you're the body man. Right. You should be, you know, covering, you know, put plates on plates and get the person out. And he said there was no exit wound because he cleaned his neck off to look for the X, which we all know is what you do. Hey, look for the exit because it's going to be bigger. And he said there wasn't one.

[Mike Diltz]

So what's that mean? Well, I mean, no, we'll do first, no tinfoil Hat.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

No. Then we'll go to.

[Jimmy Arnett]

No. Tinfoil hat. Whatever. Whatever shot him, whatever angle it came from, I mean, like, it wasn't. It wasn't substantial enough or it just was a weird. Like, bullets do weird things.

[Mike Diltz]

They do.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay. Which to me, like, I've seen 5, 5, 6 do that, where like 5, 5, 6 hits a person and it bounces off a bone and then goes down into somebody's finger.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You know, hit them up here, but it's now down in their finger. Like, how the.

[Mike Diltz]

Did that happen?

[Jimmy Arnett]

I don't know. Supposed to weird thing, but the tinfoil hat.

[Mike Diltz]

Time. All right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

But the rifle that was supposedly used should have blasted right through him at that range with. With that round.

[Mike Diltz]

Did they.

[Jay]

It.

[Mike Diltz]

Was there any talks on the. I didn't watch it. Was there any talks about how. I know Rob o' Neill is very critical of this.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, we actually agree with Rob in. In a lot of respects.

[Mike Diltz]

Like, he said that there's no way that this guy did it. No, he broke it down. Like, the way he broke the gun down and all that stuff he just said. There's absolutely.

[Jay]

Well, some of that. Could some of those details be skewed, though? I mean, the gum obviously wasn't broken down.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You can't. You can't break that gun.

[Jay]

But could somebody that doesn't know anything about guns be like, oh, he broke it down. He starts telling his buddy this story.

[Mike Diltz]

They're all.

[Jay]

Where was it at? I mean, they're campus cops.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It was in Utah.

[Jay]

Yeah, campus.

[Mike Diltz]

Who. Who told me. I believe it was you. That man. Who was it? Someone told me that the way they took down this Tyler guy was not true at all. His dad didn't give him up.

[Jay]

Oh, no, no.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That was somebody we were talking to. That was. I was sitting there, but, like, cc it might have been. It was somebody that was on the show. It might have been Jay.

[Jay]

Oh, it was Jay.

[Mike Diltz]

It was Jay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Right? And it.

[Mike Diltz]

Dude, like, you can ask him next time.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Like, I mean, what. I mean, if you want to talk to. About a guy who knows how criminals get dealt with.

[Jay]

Candace Owens, like, double down recently, like, in the last couple days about, like, the whole conspiracy.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I don't know how many on the table.

[Jay]

She's gone pretty wild, dude. Like, wild.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You know, there's a lot of. Of conspiracy about, like, how this was done, because some people are like, this looks professional. And there's some things that say it look professional. And then there are other things. You're like, this looks like amateur hour. Like, why would you do this?

[Jay]

I think a lot of people, and from being on crime scenes, I'm sure Tyler can attest to this. There's. Well, you.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You, too. You were in war.

[Jay]

You saw you'd shoot somebody like, well, that looked like you went. And then, like, you said, nothing you thought in your head happened. Happened.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I saw a guy get hit 8 times with 5, 5, 6, and the last round hit him in the back of the head, and he ran three blocks into a playground and sat on a swing and died. I mean, it just. I have no idea.

[Jay]

The weird things happen, and. And not many people understand that, and they want answers. And I've been on calls where I'm like, committed suicide splatters that way. But now he's facing this way, and he laid. And it's like, you don't know that. Like, you said, he might have lived for 10, 12 seconds and then spun and fell. There was obviously. The house was locked, that case. There was nobody else that could have gotten in the house. But when I looked at the scene, and I'm just like, how do I explain all that? And the guy's facing that way, laying over there, and I'm like, but things happen. But you can't go on TV and be like, things happen. Yeah, you're done. It's a conspiracy.

[Jimmy Arnett]

First of all, a headshot kind of explains some of that, because, you know, if you don't get, you know, the medulla obanga, if you don't get this right back here, there's a lot of, like, twitching and moving and stuff like that. When I saw that video, and we all saw the same thing, you see him get hit, he. And he's done. Yes, he's done. Blood pressure to the brain is gone. He is. Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

We always. Like we said when it first happened, he died about five different ways. Yeah, like that. There's just no surviving that shot.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And that's what his. His body man said, was that, like, this is. These are wounds inconsistent with life.

[Jay]

That's directly. And I don't think people understand death and how long sometimes it takes and that somebody can look alive for a very long time. I remember my first car accident. I went to a pedestrian guy, and I'm, like, looking at the guy, I'm like, fix him. Because he was, like, breathing and making noise. And then medic looked at me. He's like, buddy, that's. You see that clear liquid coming out of his ear?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, he's like, that doesn't.

[Jay]

Yeah, he's like, that doesn't Go back in. Like, once that's out, that's.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's over. Yeah.

[Jay]

But for a minute and a half, he looked alive. And I'm like, this is terrible.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Like, what.

[Jay]

What am I looking at here? Like, this is brutal. And I'm like, fix them.

[Mike Diltz]

I saw something on Facebook, you know, so. Might not be true. But they were showing.

[Chet]

They were.

[Mike Diltz]

They were talking about how they found a guy dead in his hotel. Hotel room. He was an exec and oil exec, and they thought he died of a heart attack. He was an older dude, and the autopsy showed that a bullet entered his rectum and got lodged in his chest cavity and killed him. No blood, no entry wound. Literally a bullet shot up his butthole. They went and looked. After they found this, they went back and investigated the scene because they ruled it as a heart attack. Right. And there was a hole in the wall. And then they interviewed the people that were next door, and they said, oh, yeah, our gun went off. But we didn't report it. They were showing up. They were playing with guns, and it went off. It went through the wall, up his butthole, and killed him as chatty now.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, is that true?

[Mike Diltz]

I don't know, dude.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I. I've seen, you know. You know that scene in Blackhawk down where they're like, hey, stay away from the walls.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's real things. Yeah. I mean, it's not even just ricochet. I mean, like, the bullets, they'll travel straight down, parallel to the wall, and then at some point, the jacket will get hit.

[Mike Diltz]

Then you get a wall.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. Right into your. So, like, it's like, dude, bullets can do weird things, and not all of them can be explained, but one of the things that can't be stopped is physics. And If a. If a 30:06 round coming at you from that angle hits you, it should be.

[Jay]

Can I throw curveball?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Absolutely.

[Jay]

What about how old the round is?

[Mike Diltz]

How. How.

[Jay]

If it could be affected over time? So could it be a slight misfire? Like little things that people don't consider.

[Jimmy Arnett]

The one thing that I would consider that. And this is what we haven't been told, the one thing that I would consider is if it was a hunting round, like a soft tip lead round. Because those are designed to hit and stay. Because they're designed to hit and stay in the body.

[Mike Diltz]

Is it possible?

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's possibility, but that's not what we were told. We were told it was just standard ball, you know, that he gotten a couple of days ago. Like, okay, yeah, well, if so, because, like, if you go deer hunting, you have round you don't want. Entry, exit, right? You don't want that.

[Jay]

You want to stay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You want it to stay in the body, create as much damage and kill those. Put those things down.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay. Yeah, that's. That's. I don't understand why you'd want your bullet to stay in it. Don't you want to eat the meat?

[Jimmy Arnett]

You want the bullet to go in and tumble.

[Mike Diltz]

Right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So it tumbles as so, but you.

[Mike Diltz]

Shoot it where you don't eat it. Right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You're basically shooting in, like, the. The. At the shoulder.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Right. So that. That should hit the heart. That should take it out. But think of a bullet as like a tiny bulldozer. Okay. When it hits you, everything that's in front of it gets pushed, and it creates what's called a temporary cavity where you're mostly water. Everything will expand, and then it will contract. And so if you watch ballistic gel, you'll see entry, and then you'll see a big wave, and then finally the bullet will stop. That's that big wave. That's the temporary cavity. Okay. So that's what actually does the damage. So, like on 762, the temporary cavity is about the size of a softball.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's how much damage it's doing. And remember, it's pushing tissue, bone, everything else right in front of it. Just shotgunning that through your body. So if that's what's causing all the damage, that's what's going to kill you. The. The reason why we have, like, 556, which, you know, like, we had problems with shooting in houses, is because they were so fast and they're so small that they were just whipping right through people. Which is why we got taught to shoot, what, control pair, center mass.

[Mike Diltz]

Right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's because we wanted to do as much damage as we could with the 556, because the green tips were ripping straight through them with their tungsten carbide printer. Dude, I can nerd out.

[Jay]

So they were just so quick. Right through. Very small.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So sorry.

[Jay]

Very small wound. And straight through and through.

[Chet]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Or if it doesn't hit exactly where a kill area.

[Mike Diltz]

Survivable.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, like I said, I watched a dude get hit eight times, and. And still.

[Jay]

Well, you talking like Jerry Reston. I interviewed Jerry Reston.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

He's the first words out of his mouth where the human body is unimpressed by bullets.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

He's like. I continued to fight. There was.

[Mike Diltz]

I had.

[Jay]

He felt. He got punt his Whole jaws shot off.

[Jimmy Arnett]

His teeth are broken.

[Jay]

His jaws broken. And he's like, I thought I got punched. He's like, I had no idea that I got shot in the face. And he's like, I kept going and going and going. He's like, it. I was done. And I was like, well, that wasn't. You know, he's unimpressed. I mean, look, body wasn't very impressed.

[Jimmy Arnett]

With seven rounds who got shot in the back of the head and it came out below his eye and he survived. And I mean, living a good. Jason Redmond, I think think his name is.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, like, dude, like, unless you know where to hit, pretty good chance. The biggest problem you got with bullets is the. Is the infection that comes afterwards because it's pushing all that dirty into your body.

[Mike Diltz]

I want to let t. Mail. I want to let you know we did get your Instagram message with your address. So we'll be sending the shirts out for the Clint stories. You were closest twice before we go to our break and we hit the Rob o' Neill updates. Epstein, what is going on with that list? I don't even know what most of this means. Like, what's unanimous mean?

[Jimmy Arnett]

So they voted. One voted in Congress or they voted in the Senate was ratified one of the two. I can't remember which way it goes, but they basically, the Senate voted unanimously released the Epstein files. Both sides, Republicans and Democrats, everybody wants it out in the. In the Congress, all but one human voted to have it released. So that. I don't remember who that one human is, but only one.

[Mike Diltz]

Is it Trump?

[Jimmy Arnett]

No, no, no, no. Now it goes to Trump's desk.

[Jay]

He wrote a big thing like.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, he wants it. Really?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, He's. He says as soon as it comes to his desk, he's going to sign it. So bring up the. The picture that I sent you. Lewis, if you would, please. So here, let me pull up my notes.

[Mike Diltz]

So this is.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I got this down for Mike. So. So now that it's passed, we got betting odds, Mike, we got betting. We got betting those failed.

[Jay]

So.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, it's all right.

[Jay]

You know, that's great.

[Mike Diltz]

You can do an A Rubik's Cube in 11 seconds.

[Jay]

But Jimmy's pictures.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. So I want to make sure because I gotta. I gotta cite my sources or God help me, people will come after me with their torches and pitchforks.

[Mike Diltz]

Peter Butler said he's. He said it turned down shattering several vertebrae. Yeah. Okay. First.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's what he said. Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

Don't have it you don't have it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I sent it to you.

[Mike Diltz]

It says Jimmy Arnett up there.

[Jay]

No, the picture. Oh, this one.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, that giant.

[Jay]

The picture that says, from Jimmy Arnett.

[Mike Diltz]

No, don't have it. Move on, guys.

[Jay]

He's very convincing when he's.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, he's like, don't have it.

[Jay]

Yep.

[Mike Diltz]

Sorry.

[Jay]

Yeah, so just go.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So I'll. I'll read you the betting odds, but the picture's up there for when we do picture pictures. So the betting odds right now from Clashy. Right. That's the. The people that do all those stuff. You'd know more about that than me, Mike.

[Jay]

Yeah, that's actually starting to put FanDuel and all these other places out, because any you can.

[Mike Diltz]

That's the one you said you could bet on.

[Jay]

You can do it right now. You can bet on, like, what podcast will have this at the end of the year.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Which Congress sponsors.

[Jay]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So betting odds right now, Trump to release the files before October 2026, which is midterms. Right. 89.

[Jay]

Didn't it past October?

[Mike Diltz]

No, 2026.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, 2026.

[Jay]

Even if he signs it now.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So right before signing it. Not releasing it. He's gonna sign it probably today if. But.

[Mike Diltz]

Well, why would they stall releasing it?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay, so this is. This is the next part of it. So Thomas Massey was asked that question, and he pretty much confirmed what we kind of already knew, which is that a lot of the Epstein files have classified information in them, which pretty much tells everybody that because this national security info is in them and it has to be scrubbed out, that pretty much leads back to a bunch of foreign and domestic intelligence organizations. And he pretty much said that, like, hey, there's in. There's intelligence information from our country and others, which leads credence to the whole idea that this was not a human trafficking operation. This was about getting leverage on politicians around the world.

[Jay]

So people are saying now we're leaning into like a. Almost like a p. Did he situation? Like a mass prostitution and you go sleep with these chicks and then I got you and I can exactly thread to release it. So you do it on you.

[Mike Diltz]

Was there children involved?

[Jay]

Like, is that all They've always said. Said that it's young people and. But not.

[Mike Diltz]

I don't.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I. I mean, anything I heard of was 16. Right.

[Mike Diltz]

But, like, so still a child.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. I mean, it's still. I mean, under the law. Yeah.

[Jay]

But, I mean, many countries it's not, though.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Many countries it's.

[Jay]

Canada is not Thailand.

[Mike Diltz]

Are you serious? Where's Epstein Island. Even at.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Let me find out.

[Mike Diltz]

Hold on.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Let me ask the Google machine.

[Mike Diltz]

I'm gonna speak for you, Jimmy. When he said in the eyes of law, he was. He. He was speaking technicality for the reference of how Epstein Island. It might not. There might not be law there. Yeah, Satellite Jimmy was like the eyes of law. Maybe it's not so. No.

[Jay]

But In Canada it's 16.

[Mike Diltz]

We had a. We had a 16 year old.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's in the Virgin Islands. It's the United States Virgin.

[Jay]

We had a. We had a teacher had one of those sex cases. Teacher had sex with a juvenile student. He was like 16 or 17. She failed to show up in court. Got sentenced to 40 years by the judge in. In my town. She fled to Canada and Canada will not extradite her because in Canada it's legal. So they won't have sex with a.

[Jimmy Arnett]

16 or 17 year old, but they.

[Mike Diltz]

Won'T honor the fact that. Nope, there's a warrant.

[Jay]

It's in Canada. If where you're at, if you're in Canada and the. And the crime is legal in Canada, they will not extradite you out of the state.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Legal to cut the heads off of. Of homosexuals in Saudi Arabia, but.

[Jay]

Well, that's different. I mean that's a little far away, but it can't here in Canada. Denise Harvey was her name. If you look at the case. Denise Harvey, Vera Beach, Florida. She actually fled to Canada. She's been there like 15, 16 years. And the way I reason, I know so much about it. One of my good friends is a bondsman and he posted her bond and the state let her go to be able to flee. And now they put him on the hook for like a 250000 bond that he had. He had to pay for it, dude. The insurance didn't cover it and all that and. But yeah, Canada will not extradite you if it's legal.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And we got a new member.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. Thank you. Caleb Miller. Yeah. Ben Miller signed up for B. Miller. Bemiller B. Miller. Thanks, Caleb.

[Jay]

Appreciate it. Came in. We were talking about 16 year olds.

[Mike Diltz]

We're trying to get on the radio.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, okay.

[Mike Diltz]

All right. So that's it for Epstein. Updates?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Mike Diltz]

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[Jay]

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[Mike Diltz]

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[Jay]

This.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, memes and stuff.

[Jay]

That's not what I said. We can play it back. We'll run it back.

[Mike Diltz]

We'll run it. I've just busted more people are going.

[Jay]

To go to violent provisions.com because it was from the heart. It was stickers, hoodies, shirts.

[Jimmy Arnett]

All of your goon apparel.

[Jay]

Their.

[Mike Diltz]

Their website is up though it wasn't.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Up the first time.

[Jay]

We did it too.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Hey, oh, do we have sunglasses? Do we have goons?

[Jay]

Not yet. We're getting there.

[Mike Diltz]

We do. Our merch store is up.

[Jay]

Very limited merch.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, it's up there.

[Mike Diltz]

Lewis, can you go pull up a website? I'll talk about it for like a couple seconds. The. The antiherobroadcast.com.

[Jay]

A lot of hard work.

[Mike Diltz]

Into this and then go. I don't know, I.

[Jay]

He's doing his watch, man. He can solve Ruby's cube.

[Jimmy Arnett]

No, we don't have it.

[Jay]

No, it's unreachable.

[Mike Diltz]

Did you type it in right?

[Jay]

It's got to be done front of it.

[Mike Diltz]

It's unreachable.

[Jay]

Guys, the show, the name of the show. The Anti Hero broadcast.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay, there we go.

[Jay]

Now go to.

[Mike Diltz]

It's unreachable. Move on.

[Jay]

Share the screen.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We'll deal with it tomorrow.

[Mike Diltz]

All right, so if you go to the right. If you go to the antiherobroadcast.com.

[Jay]

Well, Lewis has got it cut, so we have to get the whole site.

[Mike Diltz]

There you go. There you go.

[Jay]

Shop, hit shop, hit shop. There we go. We're getting there. We got shirts, we got hoodies, we got hats, we got stickers on shirts.

[Mike Diltz]

And then boom, we got the. I think you like this one. Distractionary Blows. Jimmy, you see that one? Click, Ellie, that's good.

[Jay]

I want Extractionary Blows. We got the Night Shift logo. We got the.

[Mike Diltz]

The Tyler Null, Tyler Nyler and all.

[Jay]

And then the Go back. Lewis. We have the Go back. One more. The Anti Hero Forever. Hit that one.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, that the right. Forever. An Anti Hero switch of colors, too.

[Jay]

We got gray, black.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Let's like.

[Mike Diltz]

He. That's a good one, man. I like that one.

[Jay]

Yeah. And then go. Go back to the main part. Got one more back. Go back to the. There you go. Come on back. Stickers.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, yeah, you got stickers too.

[Jay]

Things available. The same logos are made and stickered, and we'll be working on more designs. And as you guys have ideas, we can very simply. Interesting. That's one of my ideas. I haven't picked a font yet or. We'll get to that tomorrow. Lewis is gonna have a whole section, but yeah, stickers.

[Mike Diltz]

That's not happening. Yeah. This is a joint effort by our design girl, Natalie and Mike. So if you have any problems with it, don't contact me.

[Jay]

Yeah, it's as bad as that ad read, so hopefully it works. No, but yeah, I can do. We can do custom stuff. Patreon is going to be the place to go for that, though. I cannot manage the Antihero and the Copville DMS and have ideas. So please, if you consider spending a few bucks.

[Mike Diltz]

I had a dude in the DMs just today. I. I didn't know so long ago, and it was a small business and he reached out today. I'm wondering, you know, and I was like, yeah, absolute. Just let us know what. What we can do. He Goes. I sent that months ago and I.

[Jay]

Was like, I saw the pop up. You're the only anti. Here's the only notifications I have because mine are all turned off and I see them. Yeah, it's.

[Mike Diltz]

I'm sorry, dude. Like, I got to it.

[Jay]

I have a notes section that. For my old business partner when I started cockville with about 40 to 50 sticker ideas that are still just sitting in that thing. I know it sounds silly, but it's. It's hard to get to a computer sit down when we're not recording. We're not doing another show. We're not preparing for this show. It's just. It's hard. So Patreon gets right to us and that's the easiest place for us to get those designs. And they're gonna. Patreon's also going to see those designs first. From now going forward, they're going to be released on Patreon before everybody else so they can see them and. And get their orders in.

[Mike Diltz]

All right, let's do. Let's go pull up the Rob o' Neill updates. So. Oh, yeah, our buddy David Hookstead dropped a kind of. I'm gonna let Jimmy take this over because Rob posted. David posted. And there's a lot of comments that are juicy.

[Jimmy Arnett]

All right, so the first one I want you to go to Lewis. We. We downloaded the videos. You can I. I had it.

[Mike Diltz]

I hate staring at stupid image or the video? The image.

[Jay]

Yeah, remove him.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, remove him.

[Mike Diltz]

No, not that one.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Go to the videos, please, and I will tell you which one to click on. It is the first one there all the way to your left. Thank you, sir. You guys gotta listen.

[Jay]

Was hit. She was shot in the leg, in the calf before I got there.

[Mike Diltz]

There.

[Jay]

And I'm just filling in holes for you all you Monday morning quarterbacks there because the big thing that people are talking about is the after action report. I hear about the after action report. Someone spun that out there. I know who did it, but someone spun the idea. There's an after action report out there, which I do remember.

[Mike Diltz]

We do a.

[Jay]

We're not always honest in them. Whatever.

[Mike Diltz]

We're.

[Jay]

We're telling the officer that we're.

[Mike Diltz]

Is there a way we can make Jimmy bigger? Because I mean, to get the.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I've already heard the. This, the. The reaction should be from you guys.

[Jay]

Did he just say we're not always honest in our action reviews?

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's exactly. What.

[Mike Diltz]

When was this. When was this filmed?

[Jimmy Arnett]

That was yesterday.

[Mike Diltz]

So he's already covering his tracks. For when it doesn't come out the way he said it. God, what a.

[Jay]

How you just say that they lie in their after.

[Mike Diltz]

And I. And I doubt that's true. I doubt it's true. He's saying when it comes out and he's not the no only sole man that shot and killed Simulant, he's going to be able to say oh, wasn't the one.

[Jay]

And yeah, allegedly wasn't the. He's talking about the person that he claimed was standing in front of Osama Bin.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's right, the wife. Yeah.

[Jay]

And she was already shot.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's what I don't understand. How was she already shot?

[Jay]

The first one in the room and he fought or the second one in the room and he fired the only. Yeah, the first shots that hit. That.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That hit.

[Jay]

So maybe it went through her butthole.

[Mike Diltz]

I saw that on Facebook.

[Jimmy Arnett]

By the time I got there, Amal was already shot. That's the first thing that came to my mind. I was like, well, who the shot her? What is appointment?

[Jay]

Okay, I'm not gonna go. Okay. There was a lot of gun on. Not in his gunfire. And I'm sure that maybe something flew up there is what I. I'm gonna play devil's advocate, but that just kind of contradicts. Hold on. That's the first time I've ever heard him say she was already shot.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You're on a tier one hostage rescue.

[Jay]

Team, which is destroy team. Yeah, well, yeah, whatever.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's their main bread. I mean that's why they were designed. It was hostage rescue. And Rob has said that many times. You're training for a host rescue team. You need to know your target, backstop what lies beyond. And you can't have rounds that are just going willy nilly.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, they're not the type of guys that are good enough straight around.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You are not sending us staying on that team.

[Mike Diltz]

Huh?

[Jay]

We're digging our hole deeper.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. Who said that?

[Jay]

Bw.

[Mike Diltz]

Hey, go ahead and play the rest of Rob's clip.

[Jay]

We're telling the officer that we're reporting to. Especially if it's on tape that this is what happened. I'll report that. No one not no problem. But in the after action report, we didn't mention that we shot them all. We didn't mention that guys did shoot Osama bin Laden after I had killed him. We didn't mention those, but they happened. What does that tell you? After action report is not 100 correct. So if you have that argument, just play the goddamn thing. If someone has it Play.

[Mike Diltz]

Get him out of here. Get him out of here. Rob, you're so full.

[Jay]

Can you imagine?

[Mike Diltz]

Listen, that is, that is straight up covering your ass for when the air doesn't say what your story does.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, there's no way anybody. I mean I've done ars. You've done ARS as a cop and as. As soldiers. It's a hundred percent honest. You know why? Because everything that you're doing, you've got a hot wash. Exactly. What happened? What went right, what went wrong? What did we learn from this escapade? What does the information need to get passed so we could do follow on operations? All of that has to be truthful and in real time to the best of your ability. Am I wrong?

[Mike Diltz]

No.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So why the would you.

[Jay]

Can you imagine a group of cops sitting down and saying after an officer involved shooting that we all lied.

[Mike Diltz]

We all lied a lot.

[Jay]

We all lied a lot in our after action review of our shooting of a. Of a criminal.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Which begs the question, if you're telling me that I can't believe the official AAR that you lied in that. Where else did you lie on top.

[Mike Diltz]

Of that you lied in the only piece of evidence to use in your testimony. Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay, so I mean if, if we can't trust the testimony of other operators, if the AAR is not 100, I, I guarantee you there are guys at damn neck that are rolling over in their grave right now going like I.

[Jay]

Just know about this. If a active cop said that and he was still working, he'd no longer be relevant be able to testify in.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Court because every lawyer.

[Mike Diltz]

He just said he lied.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, he just said I lied. We said we can't. Didn't say I. Allegedly.

[Jay]

Allegedly.

[Mike Diltz]

All right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Didn't say I. He said we don't always tell the truth in those. Well, what the is the point of having after action.

[Jay]

After action review if you're going to lie in.

[Mike Diltz]

I know those guys aren't politicians. I get it. When, after the, after the mission. I understand mission it. And when it starts getting political, that's when those bastards lie. They lie about everything. All of it's a lie. But right then and there those guys would not lie. I, I'll tell you what. Have a tier one guy prove me wrong. I wasn't there. I don't know if a tier one guy comes and says yeah, we did lie Ali Crow.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, I mean, I mean we do know a tier one guy. We can ask him. I want to know what he thinks.

[Mike Diltz]

I'm sure he'll break it Down.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I'm sure he will. Hey, I, I, but as a conventional guy, as a conventional street cop, there's no way. I would never go into an after action review after I hit a target.

[Mike Diltz]

I'm glad you, I'm glad you copied that because if I, if I, if I was suing somebody, if I was a lawyer or somebody shooting somebody and I just went on a public platform and stated I lied, I'd be like, get the, scrub the Internet of that video, dude. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, I, I, I talked to David Hookstead this morning and I told him, because that's his video, that.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, that's David.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, he was the one that screen capped that.

[Mike Diltz]

And when did Rob post that?

[Jimmy Arnett]

I'll talk to David. But that he dropped that like 14 hours ago.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay. Because that, that is detrimental is if Rob, if Rob dropped that recently, he's getting ahead of it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Had to be recently because that's when everybody was talking about the aar. So I know it was like within. I mean, his podcast is what comes on Tuesday, so probably Tuesday. Okay.

[Jay]

The pain protesters have arrived.

[Mike Diltz]

Rob o' Neill is my hero.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Look, you know what? Here, I'll go on the record and I'll say it again. I think Rob o' Neill did a lot of really great things for the country that he's never freaking talked about and never will.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And I think that if you were in a gunfight, you'd probably be pretty happy to have him next to you.

[Mike Diltz]

He's a American hero.

[Jimmy Arnett]

He is an American hero. That being said, just like he doesn't believe that we landed on the moon. He can look at Buzz Aldrin and go, I think he did great things as an Air Force pilot. And you fought out in Korea and you did all that great stuff. I don't think you landed on the moon.

[Mike Diltz]

Right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You know, Buzz, and, and that does not take away from anything else. Just because I go look, based on my training and experience, this doesn't make sense. Doesn't mean I don't think that you're a good guy to having a gunfight and that you didn't do good things for America. I just don't believe this. And everything that you're saying and everything that I'm seeing is telling me that I'm on the right track. So I guess this is my moon landing.

[Mike Diltz]

What's up? We got more, we got more from David.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, we got one more video. So he, he also screen capped this. This is just an audio.

[Jay]

One guy goes this way. The other guy goes that way. A handful of guys went over the top of Khalid, move to the second floor of the house. Once the second floor was cleared, the team moved up the stairs. Shots fired.

[Jimmy Arnett]

They started going into that room. You go to the door, you look through the door, there's a adult male.

[Jay]

Basically twitching at the bottom of his.

[Mike Diltz]

Bed, laying on the ground. Done.

[Jay]

That was bissing that and.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, that was bissing that at the end.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

Because what I. As a listener, Devil's advocate, as a listener, if that was an interview from the past before Rob started really telling his story.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, I can.

[Mike Diltz]

It's kind of like a. It's kind of like a broad brush spoke stroke of saying the.

[Jimmy Arnett]

The audio that we just heard.

[Mike Diltz]

That.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Comes from the documentary on Amazon revealed the hunt for bin Laden, season one.

[Mike Diltz]

When.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Let me go ahead. I'm gonna hit the link because.

[Mike Diltz]

Well, let me get this out there. It's. What was I saying?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Sorry I interrupted you. I just wanted to do that.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, if this was a long time ago when it first happened, a broad brush stroke of. Yes, the SEAL teams went up there and did this. You can. If I was telling a story and I just went through something. Right. I just, like, did something and I just gave you a broad. Like, this is what happened. And then I. And then later on in time, I narrowed it down specifically. I think that's different now. If he just said that after he had said in other interviews that he was the lone soul killer of bin Laden, that. That's different. So.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So I. I don't know when this documentary was dropped, but it was after Rob already came out on the news and said I was the guy, because otherwise, why would he be showing his face?

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, that's true.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So everybody knew it was Rob. And Rob's over there talking about, like, hey, this is the way it went down. And look, I don't. I. I don't see how a. A tier one unit is not doing mount way better than us, because what I'm hearing from all of this was like, that sounds like something an infantry unit would do, not the. The 50 best killers on the planet.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay.

[Jay]

Can I read you the first sentence of the word slander?

[Mike Diltz]

Let's do it.

[Jay]

Let's hear the definition.

[Mike Diltz]

Let's hear it. You're. You're Wednesday Mike. Right now, your spoken words must be.

[Jay]

Verifiably false and not opinion. I'm just gonna leave that there.

[Mike Diltz]

Wow.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, nobody. I mean, just like, we don't know what happened either in Houston or On the moon.

[Jay]

Verifiably false and not of opinion.

[Mike Diltz]

That's like. I mean, that is literally me saying, this is the same. What you're saying is me going in written correspondence, Jimmy, I hate Mike Diltz. I'm going to lie about his career in order to hurt him financially. Right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Which is what Jay said.

[Mike Diltz]

Gotcha, Roger. All right, you. You just received that text to me. Hey, everybody, Mike Dills was never a law enforcement officer ever in his life. Those two things right there, there's got to be some kind of proof that I meant to hurt him.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Right.

[Mike Diltz]

And I meant to lie and then I said something. That is inaccurate. That is provable. Inaccurate. Right. That is defamation. Thank you, Mike. That and also thank you for Jeff Richie, for becoming a member on Patreon.

[Jay]

Yes.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We got another one.

[Mike Diltz]

We're playing a member on YouTube. Sorry.

[Jay]

I can read. I can read. It's got to be a certain distance. I can read the screen. The phone's a little more difficult, but.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So, I mean like those, those two, especially the first one. I wish the camera had been on you. Because when he was like, we, we don't always tell the truth. The ars. Your. Your faces were priceless. It was like, what?

[Mike Diltz]

That is mind boggling.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And that's, and that's why I put.

[Jay]

The level of, like a level of, you know, elite. Everybody, you know, those guys get all the views and everybody looks up to those guys. But for the. You come out and say that statement, it's. It's damaging to me. I don't know, maybe sued, but it's damaging because it's like everybody always assumes cops lie. We're a bunch of liars. We make everything up. I can't, we can't go into the same room and then go, eh, tell them you shot three times. I shot five. We'll just, we'll. And we'll, we'll throw it out there. They're going to do all the little fancy things and say, oh, that angle looks like Tyler shot six times. You. Why'd you guys lie? Well, we always lie on our after action. We're not allowed to lie. I can't lie. I have to document it. And then they're gonna do an autopsy and they're gonna prove which every round and there's a grand jury and it's all presented. And then to be at a high level of. I'm not trying to overdo. I get there's gunfights where it's just like, bro, we walked in the room and there was machine guns. Going off and there's 10 dead guys. And I think this. I get it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

This one was very. There's a story that was told that was very specific.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yep.

[Jay]

And calculated. And then it's told by somebody else that's different and it's been told differently. But they're allowed to lie. They all lie. Is what he.

[Mike Diltz]

I mean, I really don't believe for our listeners that just joined us, we may have just joined us. We just watched a, a video of Rob o' Neill saying he lied on his ar, which depending on when that.

[Jay]

Was, I did he. I don't know if I'd say it that way.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

He suggested that people lie on their.

[Jimmy Arnett]

AR and we don't always tell the truth.

[Mike Diltz]

He said we, AKA him.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

Lie. Not telling the truth.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, so if I come to you as a police officer, I'm giving you a police report. I said, well, we do. We always do that. You can infer. I also mean myself.

[Mike Diltz]

Yes.

[Jay]

If you say that your career is over. If you get caught on a body camera saying to a citizen, oh, you're. We. We make up all the time on reports. We just. Whatever, whatever, whatever. If we.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You're.

[Mike Diltz]

That's going to go to the state attorney because you're not credible witness anymore. You are literally saying you're not going to tell the truth. They can't use it in court. Every defense attorney would rip it apart. So that's why the court just goes, you know what? In order to not have all these appeals, you're just never going to testify in court.

[Jay]

In my opinion, I don't know that you could ever know what happened in that room because everybody lies.

[Mike Diltz]

You can't.

[Jay]

So there's no real.

[Mike Diltz]

There's no autopsy. Jay nailed it. There's no autopsy. There's no, there's, there's, there's no body there.

[Jimmy Arnett]

There's only, well, four guys.

[Jay]

You look at the debt. No, if you look at the definition autopsy, because I dove down that hole. It's not what we think it is. It's just an inspection of the body to make sure they're dead. We think of autopsy like I've been to 100, I've been to probably 50, 60 autopsies and where I've watched the whole thing for like determining cause of death on suspicion. It's terrible. It's terrible. I hate it. Smell. It's cold, it's. It's miserable. The sound of like, it's bad. There's a, there's like a piece of skin behind Your nose bone. And they peel it. And there's a noise it makes when they peel that off your skull. No, it's like. And it rips, and it's just the worst noise you ever hear. But that's what we think autopsy. And autopsy, by the definition is. Yep, he's dead. The earliest autopsy.

[Jimmy Arnett]

There wasn't one.

[Jay]

There was. The very first one was who got stabbed in the back. Caesar.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Jay]

They actually did it. The original jc, that was like, the first documented. Because they. They wanted to see which knife stab actually would have penetrated his heart and killed him.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Thanks to my wife, I know all this.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. The original Jason.

[Jay]

So that was a reason for an autopsy. It's just. They go, yeah, he's dead. His head is split in half.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay, so there wasn't. There was.

[Jay]

By the definition of autopsy. There was. There was one there where they went, he's dead.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, okay.

[Jay]

That was it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I just didn't do a vivisection.

[Jay]

No, they didn't do bullet reconstruction and travel.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. In there. Vivisection. It's not a vivisection.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I just said, Yeah, I moved on.

[Mike Diltz]

I. I went to Ashes Home Furniture and bought a vivisectional.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Hey, man. Anyway, we. I gotta keep throwing out these words until you guys start making shirts about Jimmy's, you know, secret words.

[Jay]

I don't have spell vivisection to put on a shirt.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So you.

[Mike Diltz]

So what you're saying. Okay, then an autopsy was done, and there was people in the room that can verify an autopsy.

[Jay]

So I would say that he. I mean, Rob talks about when he saw Bin La. Or, oh, Obama come out talking about the death. He was sitting next to Osama bin Laden when that happened.

[Jimmy Arnett]

He said that.

[Mike Diltz]

An interview.

[Jay]

And they were doing. Collecting DNA. I think the fact they collected the DNA and then they looked at him and said, yep, he's not breathing. He's dead. Yeah, that would be technically an autopsy, but not the. To the definition of that we're accustomed to, which is to determine the actual breakdown. Vivisection.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Of how it. Of how it went down. So I'd be. Like I said, we gotta be careful now. So there.

[Jimmy Arnett]

There wasn't.

[Jay]

There was an autopsy done, but I think it's some fancy. What's the language?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Latin. Yes, Latin term for autopsy.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

That was the earliest ones. They went, yeah, Johnny's dead.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, we have to. We have to thank the Romans. They were not the bad guys in the Bible. I don't.

[Mike Diltz]

I don't.

[Jimmy Arnett]

What? Oh, man. Sorry.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, man.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I throw. But I mean, again, man, like, this is. This is the last. This is the last hurrah. This looks like somebody trying to cover their ass. That's my opinion.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, that's what it looks like to me. It looks like if I knew. If I knew that something was. Was possible to not agree with what I'm saying, I'm going to try to.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Get ahead of it and discredit it.

[Mike Diltz]

Discredit it. Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay.

[Mike Diltz]

Well, all right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, I guess we're on to Cincinnati. Yeah, well, that was.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, Rob. All right, so we have Venezuelan updates.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yes, we do. We have Venezuelan updates. Let me go back to my notes here. Holy cow. Okay, so the New York Times leaked from anonymous sources in the Pentagon.

[Jay]

Slander.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Somebody's getting sued.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Somebody's getting sued that. The. The Pentagon and the Trump administration has a lengthy target list for airstrikes in Venezuela.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay. So there. Some of them are drug targets, some of them are HVTs, some of them are military targets.

[Mike Diltz]

So, like, we're just wrapping it all up.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

We're just getting. We're. We're handling Venezuela, however we want to label it. Here's.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Here's the thing.

[Jay]

Nobody cares either, right?

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. You. You and David Hookstead.

[Jay]

Nobody in America is like, we're bombing Venezuela. Like, nobody's saying anything.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, I. I mean, like, it's. It's wild. I mean, we've got the biggest fleet assembled since the first Gulf War sitting off the coast of Venezuela, and nobody's saying a goddamn word. And we've got boats getting blown up in the ocean every single day, sometimes two of them a day. Nobody's saying anything. But this. This right here. It. First of all, the. The Pentagon. There's people in the Pentagon who spend all day, every day building targets for everything. There's freaking plans for targets in the United States for airstrikes. Again, I promise you.

[Mike Diltz]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Jimmy Arnett]

When we plan a target? Like, we don't just go, like, all right, guys, we're gonna go blow up Iraq today. We do.

[Mike Diltz]

We build our own. We build.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. We build what? A target package. Like, these are the targets we want to hit in this order. This is the. The. They do the weapon earring. Like, hey, this is what bomb you want to use? This is what aircraft you want to use. So we build these target plans. Like, hey, day one, hour one stealth aircraft are going to come in and knock out all the radars. Okay, cool. That's going to open up a door for all these other planes to come in and Then you guys are going to hit these targets. You know, here's this. Is this kind of like like a.

[Jay]

Battle plan Top Gun?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Jay]

There's a, there's a, it's not just bomb everything. Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Planned out.

[Jay]

Yes.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So we, they. The New York Times just said, hey, there's an extensive target list that President Trump has that was developed to the Pentagon. Okay, cool. People do that all the time. That's not that big a deal. What is a big deal is the fact that the New York Times is leaking it because it doesn't look like a leak. It looks like somebody was like, hey bro, we got a target list. You need to put that out so that the Venezuela knows I don't like.

[Mike Diltz]

How Rob New York Post. Yeah.

[Jay]

But you're saying that it's not really. It's all. I'm sure we have a target list for every country in the world, including our own. Yeah. We know where we're going to blow it first. If we lose our, our country.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Or start to lose it. Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So it's not, it's not that big a deal. What is a big deal is that they're putting it out in the New York Times along with the fact it's catchy. Yeah. The CIA has been greenlit to can start conducting operations. In the same day, there was a massive fire at one of Venezuela's petrol refinery stations. So it very much looks like Trump is trying by other means to go, dude, guns to your head. No, get the out, get the out. So that's the big Venezuela update. Aside from the fact that every day a boat's getting blown up out there and two or three guys are getting beamed up to Jesus.

[Mike Diltz]

That's happening every day.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Every single murder.

[Jay]

Those boats, dude, it looks like a video game.

[Mike Diltz]

They're still sending them.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, they're still trying and they're still happier.

[Mike Diltz]

You got this one. I. I believe in you, dude.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, can you imagine? Like, what are you doing?

[Jay]

Like rock, paper, scissors, 30 wives or anything?

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

They don't get all that.

[Jimmy Arnett]

How do we decide? Okay, so the three of us are on. How do we decide who's getting on this boat today?

[Jay]

Oh, man, my stomach hurts.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, I got dental.

[Mike Diltz]

All of a sudden you look, I'm not there anymore.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I got a dental appointment, dude.

[Jay]

Yeah, I can't make it.

[Mike Diltz]

Are they military members doing these boat runs or are they drug smugglers or they're cartel members?

[Jimmy Arnett]

They're cartel.

[Mike Diltz]

Are they a mixture?

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's sort of like the guys that put in IEDs in Iraq.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Some of them are true believers. Some of them are just doing a job to get paid to give.

[Jay]

Some of them are probably like, hey, we got your family over here with guns playing out. All of that once you get on.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That boat, all of that in between. It's very, very difficult to know the. We only took one alive, and he's on. According to the. The. The information that David Hookstead put out, there's a JSOC boat out there ship that jsoc for those don't know, Joint Special Operations Command. So that's the tier one guys. So that's Ranger, Bat, Seal Team 6, and the Delta Force that is operating out there that has little birds and everything else on it that they need. And it's probably got an interrogation facility with alleged car batteries and, you know.

[Jay]

Stuff for the towels and water.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. So you don't want to be on that boat.

[Jay]

You don't want to be. You'd rather be in pieces. I'd rather just be gone.

[Mike Diltz]

Well, so what do you predict is the next step in this Venezuelan saga?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Everything. You got to remember, everything is pointing to the fact that this is not a show of force. Like, we are absolutely going to do something. There is a government in waiting there that by some accounts, at least by the UN Says that it's legitimately elected. It's that female that just won the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Over Trump. That was.

[Mike Diltz]

I think we might just try to influence that a little.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, just a little.

[Jay]

Just a little bit.

[Mike Diltz]

I mean, it's not like we've ever done that.

[Jay]

You think it's because Trump didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize. He's like, that. I would have the greatest award.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Actually, my. My own opinion is. And this is where me and Ryan Macbeth disagree. I think that Trump is trying to shore up our southern flank because he knows we're going to be in a war with China by 2028, and he wants to make sure that there is absolute control over South America, Mexico, the Panama Canal, so that when we fight a war across the Pacific freaking Ocean, we don't have to worry about our own backyard. That just makes strategic sense to me.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So that's the Venezuela update.

[Jay]

It is a. I saw a thing. There's a point in the middle. I can't remember what it's called now. It's got a cool name. There's a point in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that you are closer to the. The International Space Station than any land in. In the world.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh. Because.

[Jay]

Yeah. Where and it's got a really cool name. Somebody find it. It's a point in there. It's like Gilligan's point or something silly. I can't remember the name of that. But there is a point in the Pacific. And I think, man, all those planes that disappear and everything that goes on that's so big, like. Yeah, but yeah, now you have to traverse that.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, you can, you can actually turn Google Earth and only see water on the. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Jay]

That spot out there, it's point.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You can fit all of the land masses of the world.

[Jay]

Do you know that the space is going to crash in a couple years?

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, yeah. Wait, what?

[Jay]

Yeah, it's coming down like 20, 30.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, it's coming down.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. What do you mean it's coming down?

[Jay]

It's going to come in and crash.

[Mike Diltz]

But it's already been planned that this is how it's gonna.

[Jay]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's how everything ends up eventually in the ocean. Everything ends up burning up and going into the ocean. I mean, like, if you believe that the moon landing happened or don't. Apollo 13 had a nuclear, a nuclear powered, what is it called? Experiment on, on board the lunar module.

[Mike Diltz]

Remember?

[Jimmy Arnett]

They, they were planning to leave all that on the moon, but they had to fly it back because they had an explosion.

[Mike Diltz]

That's the guy laughing.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jay]

And so before we had an Atari. Yeah, they flew it back.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, well, they were in the lunar module, Mike. All right.

[Mike Diltz]

Your explanation to his criticism on that video was amazing because you were just like, not everything is a explosion. And, and space is a vacuum. It's so, like, it's so like, common knowledge. And we're just like such dumb knuckleheads over here. You're like, guys, space is a vacuum. You know that, right?

[Jay]

We're like, there's no explosion.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, I mean, hydrogen peroxide for our cuts.

[Jay]

But it just, it just looks weird, right?

[Jimmy Arnett]

I, I, I'm not.

[Jay]

Looks weird.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, it's space. It's weird.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

So.

[Jay]

Yeah. Do you think they build. Is there another space station? They're, like, gonna throw up.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I, I mean, I think right now, I think we're gonna, we're gonna solve the, the riddle of the moon landing here pretty soon.

[Jay]

Go back.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Because China wants to go back to the moon, and there's no way we're gonna let China be on America.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, yeah, because they're gonna go knock everything down. And they go. They never went. And so if we did have stuff there.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, I think it's more along the lines of like the moon is a really great place to practice going to Mars. And there's.

[Mike Diltz]

What's the benefit of going to Mars?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, I don't know. Ask anyone. We, how do we.

[Mike Diltz]

What do we as a society benefit showed on tv?

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean if I can, if I can think forward in time, I would say the fact that we're a one planet civilization is probably a really bad idea. And only take took one big rock to wipe out all the dinosaurs or maybe one flood if they didn't get on Noah's boat.

[Jay]

Seven months, nine months.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

We allowed Christians to believe in other planets with humans.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I, Yeah. I find no evidence within the Bible that tells me I should.

[Jay]

It's like that's a long time to get to Mars.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It depends on.

[Mike Diltz]

Thanks Mike. Mars is far away.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Very far. Yeah, I mean it is far far. And then.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, yeah Mike, it is far.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's like saying hey, the sun is.

[Mike Diltz]

Hey dad. Hey dad.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

Yes son, it is.

[Jay]

I mean the moon's only 288000 miles away. We barely, we can't even get back far. I think it's seven months or so.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It depends on where they are capable of right now. So there we, we. Because we're all orbiting the sun at different, different rates and different lengths. There are times when we're actually closer to Mars. That's when you'll see it big and bright and red in the sky. And then there's times when we're further.

[Mike Diltz]

Away because it's different rates.

[Jay]

Lewis knows. Yeah, tell us to us.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Lewis.

[Mike Diltz]

I, I can't tell you all the information.

[Jay]

You know that it does depend on.

[Mike Diltz]

How long they orbit.

[Jay]

Yeah. And that differs how many days it.

[Mike Diltz]

Takes for one year.

[Jay]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And then also another factor.

[Jay]

Can we even breathe over there?

[Jimmy Arnett]

No, we cannot breathe.

[Jay]

There's no trees. So like.

[Mike Diltz]

There's no trees, guys.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Like dude, how are we gonna breathe on Mars? Well, we're gonna have to wear spaces. Idiots.

[Jay]

We made it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We made it.

[Jay]

We got up. We should have listened to Lewis.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's like total re recall out there.

[Jay]

George Floyd's definitely not on Mars.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Trying to get on the radio.

[Jay]

I saw before we go one last time before we stay, I saw a guy conspiracy the other day where the guy takes a camera and puts it at the like the top of the north pole and he.

[Mike Diltz]

Wait, what?

[Jay]

He puts a camera at the north pole facing up and it slowly takes pictures of the stars throughout the night.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay.

[Jay]

Spin right. They're spinning. So he Says if. If the stars are spinning at the top like that, how. We're supposed to be going through space sideways and everything's going this way. Right. The sun's pulling us along.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

And we're orbiting, but we're.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's like a core screw.

[Jay]

Everybody thinks we're spinning around like this.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. Of course.

[Jay]

Going correct.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. We're wobbling on our axis, but we're.

[Jay]

Moving across the galaxy at like 270 some thousand miles an hour constantly. But it. When the Earth is spinning, the stars stay completely circular at the top of the Earth. She's saying, how are we tumbling through space, but the same stars are spinning.

[Jimmy Arnett]

At the same rate?

[Jay]

Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Jimmy Arnett]

At the top of the Earth. You know who we need to get. We need to talk to Neil Degrasse Tyson. Yeah.

[Jay]

He says he landed on the moon, so I don't want him here. You know what I'm saying? Like.

[Mike Diltz]

No, I get it. Are we sure his pictures are accurate?

[Jay]

Yeah. He sets up the camera and it. It also.

[Mike Diltz]

How old were you as a human being when you found out the North. North Pole wasn't actually a pole? I. I want to say I was in my 30s.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I was not in my 30s. I. I think I was no pole up there.

[Jay]

I thought it was a candy cane.

[Jimmy Arnett]

First of all, the fact that Santa Claus did not live there was a huge bummer. And that made me question everything in.

[Jay]

Life except I was slander. That was slander.

[Mike Diltz]

That was slander for my parents.

[Jay]

We got a super chat.

[Mike Diltz]

All right. Props to Jimmy. Re. Re. Read the Venezuelan discussion. It is 100. A strategic necessity. We can't. Can't be caught looking behind us. Good. FSS. Thank you so much. Yeah, that's a member, Chester McGuire.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's three today, man.

[Mike Diltz]

New YouTube member. Thank you so much, brother. We just broke through. I. I hope there's no kids in this chat.

[Jay]

There's not a poll.

[Jimmy Arnett]

The fact that, like, the chat's wild right now because they're like, are you guys stoned? What's wrong with you?

[Mike Diltz]

No, he's having a good time.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

All right. So no, Santa, the North Pole isn't actually a candy cane pole. And you're saying that. So are you saying the Earth is flat when you say this?

[Jay]

No, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying is if we're spinning and the stars are constantly doing the same thing at the North Pole and they're always in the same. There's a circle constantly. That kind of. He's Saying it debunks the fact that we're.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It should be in the lips. Yes. Should be an ellipse. And maybe it is, and we just can't see it with our stupid monkey eyes.

[Mike Diltz]

Maybe it's the fourth dimension, or.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Here's my theory. This is my personal theory. All right. Tinfoil hats.

[Jay]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's a closed system, guys. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. Wasn't designed for us to get in or out.

[Mike Diltz]

Wait, what?

[Jimmy Arnett]

The. The universe that we see. We're in a box where we are in a God's Truman show, pretty much. Okay, the. And here's my theory on it. The speed of light is. Is the fastest thing that we. We can measure in the universe. Right? And the only thing that can go that fast is a particle. And the bigger you are, the more energy you have to expend to get there. Plus the faster you go, the closer you get to the speed of light. Time dilation becomes a thing. There's no way we can go from where we live to some other planet in our lifetime. It just won't happen without some new, deeper understanding of physics.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

My personal belief is that we have to try.

[Mike Diltz]

We have to time travel. We have to. We can't physically travel to the these places. We have to jump.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We. We'd have quantum.

[Mike Diltz]

Like, quantum.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You can't do a warp.

[Mike Diltz]

They had a stupid show in the 80s. Quantum.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Quantum leap.

[Mike Diltz]

Quantum Leap. That's how we travel.

[Jimmy Arnett]

No, that Quantum Leap was where a guy was jumping bodies. It was Scott Bakula. I watched that show.

[Jay]

Good try.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

I thought that was quantum physics he was using to travel. Right.

[Jay]

Bodies.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's bodies from one body to another in different. Different time and space.

[Jay]

I saw another thing where one of the satellites released in like 76.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. It just passed the heliopause one light day away.

[Jay]

Yeah. To blow your mind up. They released something in 1976. My age, 49 years ago, and has just one light day. And we talk billions of light years away and all this crazy stuff.

[Mike Diltz]

So it's impossible whenever you see it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

So that's, that's. That's my rabbit hole when I start. And that's one of our first conversations.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Conversation.

[Jay]

All that starts going on. And I started trying to like, dissect that. And Mars is just seven months away and the moon is 208. The time it takes to get there. That is where everything starts to go crazy in my head. Yeah, that's my, that's my anxiety.

[Jimmy Arnett]

My. My personal belief is that this. We are In a closed system. God doesn't want us getting out because let's face it, if we got out, it would be Warhammer 40K. We would be cleansing the universe.

[Mike Diltz]

You were not created mass destruction there. Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You were not created in God's image only. We were therefore, Lord, you are a heretic and must die. I mean, dude, we saw planting our flag everywhere. I mean, if you're an alien and you looked at us, you're like, jesus Christ. These guys have been fighting since they came out of the caves. Like, we don't want these guys getting loose in the universe. They'll kill everything.

[Jay]

We're like the. We're the stinky kids of the universe.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, we are.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We would be the intergalactic bullies. We would kill everything and everybody. I mean, and. And no, it wouldn't have to like, report after, though.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

We could not tell the truth.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Hey, that far away. By the time the truth gets here, it's 70, 100 years old news.

[Jay]

We already knew that.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

One light year in 40 years.

[Jimmy Arnett]

49 years.

[Jay]

Yeah. 50 years.

[Mike Diltz]

One light day.

[Jay]

One light day.

[Mike Diltz]

One light day.

[Jay]

One light day.

[Mike Diltz]

So we're talking about things that we can see. A hundred.

[Jay]

Million light years.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So we got Alpha Centauri, which is.

[Mike Diltz]

Is there 365 light days in a light year?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yes, there's 365 days.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

In a light. 365. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's.

[Mike Diltz]

It's because a light year is.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I'm so sorry.

[Mike Diltz]

No, you're right. Here's a lot of people. I didn't know this until I was a grown ass adult. A light year is not a measure in time. It's a measure of distance.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's correct.

[Mike Diltz]

A lot of people think that a light like a year.

[Jimmy Arnett]

No, it's a measure of distance. So that's. I mean, like. Like a standard astronomical unit. It is the distance from the Earth to the sun. That's how we measure distance in space.

[Jay]

Seven seconds, right? Nine seconds. Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

No, that's. That's. No, the. The actual kilometer distance is. We call it one standard astrometrical unit. The reason why we use that is because we like. Oh, well, this is about where water would be a liquid on a planet of about this size. This is where we should probably look for other life. And then we look for different colors in the light spectrum to decide whether or not.

[Jay]

I like how all we talk about all this, but nobody can actually verify any of it. That one person. All. All the thoughts that this is. That this is that this planet here, it formed here, it did this there, but can. Nobody's ever been there. Like, I saw a video the other day. What would happen if you entered a black hole and there's a whole thing like, how the.

[Mike Diltz]

Does anybody know you need more things to do? Mike, what would happen if you entered it?

[Jay]

No, it comes to my Instagram feed and I watch it and I'm like, that looks really cool, though.

[Mike Diltz]

One thing I want to ask is an asteroid? My son asked me, how big is an asteroid have to be on the way back from St. Pete before it doesn't burn in our atmosphere and go away before it impacts? And how big would the impact have to be? And I said, well, if it got through the atmosphere and didn't burn up completely, it doesn't have to be very big to be catastrophic. It needs to be like the size of a football. Football field. Right?

[Jimmy Arnett]

It really depends on where it hits, how it hits. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean that. But speed is, you know, energy equals mass times acceleration, right? Like, that's, that's the energy that's going to get released, right? So if it's going, if it's going a hundred thousand miles an hour, that's going to be bad. But if it's going 1% the speed of light, that's going to be exponential, potentially worse because it's going faster. So, like, that's one of the problems with space travel, right? This is one of the things that they will say about the moon landing is that, like, hey, you're going 10, 000 miles an hour towards the moon. A particle of dust that hits you at 10, 000 miles an hour is going to explode on your ship and destroy it. It's not going to cut it to pieces. It's going to explode because that energy has to get released when it hits.

[Jay]

So they dodged all the dust on the way there.

[Jimmy Arnett]

They dodged all that.

[Jay]

One piece of dust now. One little piece of dust.

[Jimmy Arnett]

All right, so, and, and here's my, here's my argument that both the Earth and the moon exert gravity and they suck everything down.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, so there is no dust.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, but, but here's the. Here's the even better part of this, is that we are taking all of this on a leap of faith.

[Jay]

Not all of us are.

[Mike Diltz]

Are.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, I mean.

[Mike Diltz]

Well, I'm not one giant leap for mankind.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Look, you're not gonna, you're not gonna kill me. You're not gonna. You're not gonna kill my enthusiasm for the moon lady. But Just like anything else. And this goes to two things that we talk about, which is Rob and our faith in our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, and the God Emperor of mankind. We take this on faith because none of us can prove what we are being told.

[Jay]

Correct.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay.

[Mike Diltz]

I wanna. I wanna have a. I wanna have a fake conversation with you. Right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay.

[Mike Diltz]

All right. What's your dad's first name?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Brad.

[Mike Diltz]

Brad. Brad Arnett. Yeah. All right, you get. Pull your phone out. Don't really call anybody. Pull your phone out now. Call me. I'm dad.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay. Hey, dad.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah. Hey, what's up, Jimmy? How you been, man?

[Jimmy Arnett]

I'm doing good.

[Mike Diltz]

Hey, I see you're talking on this podcast a lot about the moon landing. I have something to tell you, son.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay.

[Mike Diltz]

All those things that we did when you were a child talking about the moon in space, do you remember that?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure.

[Mike Diltz]

I made all that up, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Okay. We didn't land on the moon. Okay.

[Mike Diltz]

I'm so sorry. I just was enjoying having space as something that we can connect on, and you just latched onto it and I didn't have the heart to tell you.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's like Santa Claus, dad.

[Mike Diltz]

Santa Claus was easy compared to this one. So you can go on believing the moon landing is real, but I want to let you know, based on my, you know, experience and in my. My status in the government and everything I've done, the people I've talked to, I'm pretty sure the moon landing never happened. And even when I was telling you it was when we were a kid, I knew it didn't happen. That.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That. That sounds like a pretty significant lie, dad. All right, buddy.

[Mike Diltz]

Have a good day. Yeah. Now, would you believe after he had that phone call, would you believe it still?

[Jimmy Arnett]

No. No, I would still believe it.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, you would? Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Like, dad, that's. That you.

[Jay]

Dad, I think that you could be. I think we could have people calling. You could counsel them like that. That's. We're onto something.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, dude, I was.

[Jay]

I was in.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude. I mean, we're doing.

[Mike Diltz]

We should do great calls, dude.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Role play therapy.

[Mike Diltz]

What.

[Jimmy Arnett]

What is happening right now?

[Mike Diltz]

We should bring back prank calls. Dude. Do you know how many people answer. I answer calls that say unknown. Dude, that's just because I'm like, it's not. It's not spam. It's not a telemarket. People.

[Jay]

Today. I called that number back. It was an attorney. I normally never answer, but it was a random number. And I'm like, but it's an iPhone. I'll call it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

And then it was that attorney.

[Mike Diltz]

What attorney?

[Jay]

Never mind. All right.

[Mike Diltz]

Would you scare me?

[Jay]

No, not good.

[Jimmy Arnett]

You're done.

[Jay]

I'm not worried about you.

[Mike Diltz]

You're good, bro.

[Jimmy Arnett]

David just texted me. You mind if I. Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

Is he cool with us?

[Jimmy Arnett]

I haven't asked him yet. So let me read it, and you guys just see if you see me on my phone.

[Mike Diltz]

Get them on. We're gonna bring. We're gonna bring prank calls back.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So that.

[Jay]

That is stalking. We're charged with, like. Yeah, we are.

[Jimmy Arnett]

The interview that we. The audio interview, that's from 2021.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay.

[Jimmy Arnett]

From multiple guys on the third floor that were involved. There is. So this. I'm sorry, this isn't from David. This is from somebody else. I gotta go read David's real quick. So that right there, that came from.

[Mike Diltz]

I hope David says the moon landing didn't happen, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So that right there, what I just read came from. I can't read the name. And then I'll go ahead and go do something else. Okay. Can't say what David said on the air.

[Mike Diltz]

Okay, so we're good to say what we did say though, right?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, I just. It didn't come. That right there, what I just read did not come from David. That's somebody else. I don't want to misspeak on David here. David's got his own thing, and we can't. You know, we can't be getting in trouble on that one, so.

[Mike Diltz]

All right, we've got 15 minutes to cover the rest of the topics. Jimmy, it's on you, because you are. You are Nerd, our historian, our current events guy. And you have a couple more.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I have. I have tons more. But, like, man, oh, man, we. We really went at it today. I was kind of surprised. I mean, so, first of all, one of the things I did want to ask you guys about is. So I can't say who, but I ran into a. A person that is in a law enforcement agency in the county that I reside in. Okay. Yeah. And he knows of. Of you guys.

[Jay]

Oh.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And he knows of Mike specifically.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, man.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And he was so told, like, hey, we don't like this guy.

[Jay]

You don't say.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah. Who's we like the agency.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, brass.

[Jay]

That's a common. That's a common problem theme.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

And I'm. I'm used to that because I think he mentioned what I dropped yesterday.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Which I dropped an episode on the sheriff of Anywhere county because I was close to him. And what I'm Trying to explain to the public is you don't usually get a view from somebody who's very close within that group of people. And I am not well liked amongst leadership. Your agents, your old age. My guts too.

[Mike Diltz]

They hate my guts.

[Jay]

Yeah, they hate mine too. They hate mine first.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, the guy's like, hey, I, I love this, I love it, but I can't actually like him.

[Jay]

My agency, I told you one of my. I sponsored a guy to fish in a fishing tournament and he won on and he had my shirt on and they deleted the whole thing off of.

[Mike Diltz]

Did you know, Jimmy, government entities, even though they're using Facebook, Instagram and all that stuff and it's private. It's a, it's a private, but it's not. Yeah, they're not allowed by law to delete posts.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yes, I do.

[Jay]

Or comments or anything.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Right. Because they're public. Right.

[Mike Diltz]

Yes, they're a public entity. So therefore they're held to a responsibility.

[Jay]

Yeah. I'm not well liked and think about, I mean, mean, there's many reasons you can think of why. But my platform, my platform is getting cops on that have been screwed over. Why would they like me? They don't want to hear stories of their. The way they've screwed people. And just like everything else in the back in the day, we cops had no platform to go forward and say, hey, this happened to me. They got fired. They had to go to a new job. They had to go, you know, all the mental health count, all the stuff that nobody cared about. These guys are now coming forward and going and I'm sick of it. Like Carmen Marcino over in Lee county is getting hammered. I think the DOJ just cleared. They were not going to investigate him. He's got so many problems. But I know so many former employees of him that have come forward and said, did you know this? Did you know that?

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's.

[Jay]

It's a problem. It's the normal problem. On a small level. They can't hide from me because there's just too many guys that tell me the truth about what goes on in there. And they've been screwing guys over left and right now a guy like Greg Tony down in Broward county, that's such a large area, large agency, and he's surrounded. It's the only Democrat county down there that that was. Blew this election. They filter all that for him. He can do no wrong. But in these other areas where people are starting to go, man, it doesn't seem like the leadership should be doing that to People. That's kind of wrong. And I'm gaining traction with that. And that's why they don't like.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Well, it was a little bit disheartening when a guy was like, hey, I. I love your show. I watch it. I.

[Jay]

But I can't talk about.

[Jimmy Arnett]

But I can't. I can't actually support you guys, and I can't. I can't share you.

[Jay]

How about the fact that two of my family members work at the agency that I used to work out.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Work at. Think about that. I feel terrible, but it's like, do I shut up? I had a guy. I had two messages yesterday about the episode. One of them said, basically, like, be careful. And I'm like, yeah, I'm good, man.

[Mike Diltz]

But, like, physical harm.

[Jay]

Yes. It was not a threat. It was somebody saying, you got bought. Like, you're like, I'm worried about you. Like, doing that.

[Mike Diltz]

Like, physical harm. Yes.

[Jay]

Somebody that works there said to me, like, bro.

[Mike Diltz]

And he knows people like, ski mask late at night.

[Jay]

Like, I mean, I was walking.

[Mike Diltz]

Like, he said that to me.

[Jay]

He said it to me last night. And you see all these crazy videos, and I was walking. I do walk my dog. I walked my dogs around the neighborhood. I'm thinking, man, somebody could just pop out any moment.

[Mike Diltz]

It. That's it.

[Jay]

You have no black ops. And then. But that's. That's the risk you take. And I said, you know what my response to him was? If I get sniped telling the truth about what's right, then so be it, dude.

[Jimmy Arnett]

If you get sniped, I'm like, suspect number one.

[Mike Diltz]

Now you are.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Who's interrupting who now?

[Jay]

But, yeah, I just got a text from Sal. I said, add the New Jersey's Attorney General's office to the people that don't like you.

[Mike Diltz]

What's up? What's your style's case?

[Jay]

That's.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's.

[Jay]

Yeah, it's very disheartening. What's going on?

[Jimmy Arnett]

So they.

[Jay]

The latest update on the Saladrati case is the. They can't find an expert. We talked about that many times. They finally found an expert witness to testify against him. The problem is the expert witness has been involved in multiple decisions and opinions.

[Mike Diltz]

Oppressive.

[Jay]

No, he supports what Sal did. Yeah. In many. Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

Opposite of what the state want.

[Jay]

So then he went to court last week, and it was like, like, well, we paid him, but he hadn't cashed a check yet. So he's really not retained. But he might be retained, but he hasn't cast a check. They go again next week and they suspect that it's just going to be another, oh, we can't use him. And they.

[Mike Diltz]

How long can the continuation go on?

[Jay]

Until the judge says enough is enough. It's federal court, no state court.

[Mike Diltz]

So that's the problem.

[Jay]

If it was in the feds and we could get Trump involved and we get to deal, you know people that I know involved. It's a state case. You know Trump well, I know people that know him. Keith Pearson is up there.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Is Trump a fan? Does he watch the show?

[Jay]

I don't think so.

[Mike Diltz]

We gotta get Trump's kids as fans. That's how he knows about podcasts.

[Jay]

Well, yes, no. Keith Pearson had junior on and Eric Trump on, but unfortunately for Sal, it's, It's just, it's a Democratic dumpster up there. There's no. Nobody cares about the cops. Nobody cares about that case. There's so much evidence. I say it over and over again. There's so much evidence to show that it was justice testified. They can't even find a witness to say it wasn't. And at what point does a judge go, bro, like, you got till next week. And I mentioned speedy trial, Sal, and that's easy for me to see, say, sitting here in Florida, minding my business under the palm trees, to go, we're going to trial next week. I mean, I don't know how this guy wakes up every day and functions throughout the week.

[Mike Diltz]

We want to go, but we obviously.

[Jay]

Like, we don't know when to go because it's one of, like the last.

[Mike Diltz]

Hearing was we showed up at 8 in the morning at the. Continuing. Then their oaks continued.

[Jay]

Yeah, well, when it goes, if it, if it ends up going, which it should never go, in my opinion, to trial. But yes, I mean, I, I would love to go, but I would think if God is, you know, everybody's saying their prayers and God is listening, that we get this resolved before court. Because it's just not fair what's happening to him.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And so what? Let's say it goes to trial and let's say that he's found guilty. What's our next step, man, it won't be.

[Jay]

I mean, at that point, it's appeals, jury, everything else, but it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's. Think about that. It's scary to go. We all can look at a case and all agree, and I have not met a single person and I get disagreements all the time on my platform. I can't Find a single human being breathing right now that looks at that case and goes, no, you guys are wrong.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It's.

[Jay]

It's just, it's that, it's that one.

[Mike Diltz]

Of the most clear cut shooting cases I've ever seen. The, the problem is, is that when they, when they do. The Soros planted attorneys around the country, when they get in, they go, give me five to 10 police shootings and I want to open them back up and charge the cop. That's the anarchy they want. That's the destruction of our country they want. Hold on. And when they do that, they usually pick ones that are iffy and they run with it. Even though they're good, they're. They're not iffy. I'm sure they usually pick ones that have a better. Like he up and he picks Sals. And now he's. They're doubling down on it. And it's like, it's literally like if I, if I punch. If I walked up and punched you in the face and. No, that's, that's mean. I'm sorry, I'm just trying.

[Jimmy Arnett]

What's up with all the physical violence?

[Jay]

We're gonna snipe me.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jay]

I'm just saying, like, I'm gonna say this. And I don't care. If I don't care, I'm gonna say this. He's white. The suspect is white. And normally when they do pick those ones, they'll pick where it's a white cop and a black. Yeah, I'm just saying it happens. That's what I would think is usually they go, so this one to me is very bizarre because it's a. If you read the facts of the case, it's a white male on drugs, mental crisis, told family members he's going to commit suicide by cop, follows through with everything he said he was going to do and points the gun at the police. You can't do that. You can't do all that collectively. And it's all documented. The other thing that's just disheartening is there is evidence that Sal has with black and white, concrete evidence that was not presented to the grand jury. So you have a group of civilians that sit there and get presented evidence from a prosecutor. And I always say this, we could indict you for. I could indict you for that, those C4s and I can get you off on those C4s in the same conversation because I can not present evidence. I can take your sketch out of it.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

And say well, we think it was him, but we don't have a sketch anymore. I can remove items from a grand jury to make it sound good, or I can add it up. And one human being, that attorney general piece of, has the ability to determine what evidence. And that's a flawed court system.

[Mike Diltz]

It is.

[Jay]

When you go to a case, you can't go, well, I'm not going to put that in. I'm not going to put that. I'm not going to put that in. Oh, my God, it looks terrible. And then when you put all that in, you're like, this is the most easy case in the world. Sal has plenty of evidence that was omitted from the grand jury that those people indicted him. And there's no. You can't do anything. There's no going back to it. There's no. You now live with it. Now you have to risk your life in a trial and now present that evidence and hope that you get the right 12 people that go, yeah, this is up, too. And it's. That's not a good way to live your life every day.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jay]

When you wake up in the morning, it's not a good way to live your life. And it's unfortunate.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, that is so bad.

[Mike Diltz]

Can you shoot suicidal white guys in Canada legally? Probably. Canada?

[Jay]

You can't shoot anybody in Canada.

[Jimmy Arnett]

What are you gonna. I mean, what are you gonna. Netherlands somewhere over there?

[Jay]

Like, Sweden and all that? Is suicide legal over there?

[Jimmy Arnett]

There, like, yeah. Dude, their VA is. Is literally killing their veterans.

[Mike Diltz]

Wait, what? Oh, you didn't know that out of the Netherlands?

[Jimmy Arnett]

No, the v. The VA in Canada is literally.

[Mike Diltz]

They have a Veterans Administration in Canada?

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, it was all over the news. Like, the VA up there was, like, calling veterans and, like, guys that were struggling with, you know, depression and everything, they're like, well, we've got assisted suicide, if you want that. Really?

[Jay]

Where's our AI Guys, we did a video of the Canadian VA telling people it's okay to kill your. No, no, no.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Like, not like it.

[Jay]

No.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Make sure that the mouth moves the right way.

[Jay]

Yeah. It's got to be.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So there, buddy. Guys was like, hey, we know you're struggling with this.

[Jay]

No way.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

And like, well, you can come in. We'll help you with the suicide. That way you don't have to blow your brains out.

[Mike Diltz]

No way.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I am not lying. I tell.

[Jay]

They keep healthcare so cheap.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Dude, it was all over the place. It was everywhere. This is like a year ago, though.

[Mike Diltz]

And then they quieted down. Yes.

[Jay]

We have no vets left. My husband went for a hepatitis shot to the VA and he didn't come home.

[Mike Diltz]

You feel it sad? Kind of.

[Jay]

Yeah. The memes were fired December 15th this south, next court day. For anybody wondering, please, if you have five minutes. I said this last week, right? The current governor of New Jersey, Murphy. Write him a letter there and say how up this is. Use chat.

[Mike Diltz]

GPT.

[Jay]

Just throw it together. Send as many letters as possible. This is garbage.

[Mike Diltz]

Call that.

[Jay]

Call them. Was it picking Michael Patkin, whatever that guy's name is, the Attorney General?

[Mike Diltz]

I'm blown away that the Canada has a va. Didn't know that.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Arnett]

They were in the war with this fight.

[Jay]

Call each other, buddy.

[Mike Diltz]

And they have a va.

[Jay]

They didn't really do anything today. I think they friendly people to death. What do they do?

[Jimmy Arnett]

I don't. I mean, have you. I mean, I guess you haven't seen any of the memes of. Of Canada In World War I and 2, they had more war crimes than anybody.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, before we leave, I've been watching. All right, so aren't war crimes real? That we did a while back where we. We talked about, like, I've been investigated. You've been because. Yeah, you were like, I've been investigated for war crimes.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike Diltz]

It's now being shared a lot again on Facebook.

[Jay]

Okay, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. Who's outside?

[Jimmy Arnett]

All right, so here's the story. This is what happened. I got called into the. The provost marshal's office, and I walked in there, and they searched me, and then I sat down with two guys from cid and they said, hey, we want to talk to you about the raid that happened on this day at this time. And I went, okay, I don't remember, because I did a lot of raids. And they're like, well, you'd remember this one because you did. You beat up a detainee. And I was like, so, yeah, you're gonna have to narrow it down a little further.

[Mike Diltz]

I beat a lot of detainees, bro.

[Jay]

Like, there was a lot of guys.

[Jimmy Arnett]

That didn't want to. To become detainees. And basically what happened was, is we. Like I said, we had a guy passed out, like, passed out to the outside of the intercourt on. We searched him. He bit one of my buddies on the finger. I hit him three times in the back of the head with a butt with the butt of my rifle. And then now he can't pray right to Allah anymore. And that got invest.

[Mike Diltz]

I got that got open because you hit him. According to him.

[Jimmy Arnett]

According to him, he can't pray right anymore anymore. But to your point that you can't say the R word, dude.

[Mike Diltz]

Oh, all right.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So question.

[Jay]

I can ask that question.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So when that happened, President Obama got elected and there was a big push to go find a bunch of war crimes in Iraq. And so I was on my way out of the army. On my way out.

[Mike Diltz]

So you were back at home.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Oh, yeah, I was. Was.

[Jay]

Jimmy was charged with distractionary blows.

[Jimmy Arnett]

It was distractionary.

[Jay]

We have that sticker in that shirt. Jimmy was the first person in this group to be charged with the statue.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, first of all, like, by the rules of engagement, I could have shot him.

[Mike Diltz]

Let go of my friend.

[Jimmy Arnett]

I mean, he literally. I mean, and it was on a talent feed. So you just see me just like, for Rodney King in this dude, it looks bad.

[Jay]

It looks bad. If he was. If you shot him, he wouldn't be able to complain on you.

[Mike Diltz]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. You left somebody breathing.

[Jimmy Arnett]

So, I mean, that guy got turned over to Buka and then he got released back out into the wild.

[Mike Diltz]

Plant more IDs.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Pretty much. That guy was. He was working for a master bomb maker named Ali Chad. He was one of the guys that put in a roadside bomb that killed one of my friends, Mike Schoolcraft. So yeah. And that was what they were saying is that like, oh, you wanted revenge because this is one of the guys that helped kill your friend. I'm like, no, I didn't even know.

[Mike Diltz]

That law abiding citizen. Go. I did want him to get hit in the head with a butt shot. Butt stroke. I did imagine it every day, but.

[Jay]

Doesn'T just happen to be able to do it.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jay]

I found myself.

[Jimmy Arnett]

At night on a raid under Nods. I have no. I have no freaking idea.

[Mike Diltz]

Like, he kept moving, dude.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yeah, like. Like what dude? There's a dude latched onto my buddy's finger like a pit bull. Like, like, what am I gonna do? Stick and stick a water hose in his mouth and, you know, prize.

[Mike Diltz]

Did he get infected and start going.

[Jimmy Arnett]

Yes, it did. It got badly infected and it was this trigger. Well, the guy that he bit was black.

[Mike Diltz]

Our last hour, we're allowed to go unhinged. All right, that's it, guys. We'll see you tonight at the night shift, 8 o' clock counterculture network and the anti hero broadcast. Thank you so much, Sa. Team for life.