12/15/2025: OPERATION ALLIES WELCOME

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast

Podcast for Veterans and First Responders
Episode: December 15, 2025 – "OPERATION ALLIES WELCOME"

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode focuses on recent national security developments, policing issues, and, in particular, a deep dive on Operation Allies Welcome—the controversial evacuation and resettlement operation after the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. The hosts—Mike, Tyler, Jimmy, and guest K9—reflect on the impact for veterans, law enforcement, and American security, blending personal anecdotes, current events, and tough criticism of both government and police leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Remembering Fallen Guardsmen (03:19)

• Tribute to two Iowa National Guardsmen killed in Syria: Sgt. Edgar Brown Torres Tovar (25) and Sgt. William Nathaniel Howard (29).
  • “We lost two National Guard in Syria. … Lost their lives. Tragedy.” – Tyler (03:40)
  • Sets a serious tone for the episode, honoring service and sacrifice.

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2. “Verse of the Day” & Message of Humility (15:14)

• Scripture Chosen: 2nd Corinthians 10:12
  • Jimmy explains: “People can say whatever they want … I’m not going to measure myself by other people, and the people that do that are freaking stupid. All right.” (15:58)
• Show’s Ethos: Not strictly Christian, but “Christian-influenced;” aims to serve “warriors appointed by God.” (16:04)

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3. Policing & Pursuit Debates (16:52; 18:38)

• Hot Topic: Dangerous police vehicular pursuits.
  • Jimmy: Advocates restraint, refusing to support “running people down” if officers aren’t highly trained.
  • Tyler: “I am absolutely an advocate for pursuits. But the problem is they don’t train it.” (17:34)
  • Mike/Jimmy highlight wide disparity in training and willingness among agencies.
• Culture of Policing:
  • Increasing admin oversight, lack of support, and a climate where "everyone hates their job."
  • Ongoing discussions about old vs. new police generation, lack of experience, and erosion of morale.
  • “Old school FTOs had to teach you the way they did because new cops… have an ‘I already know it’ attitude. … Boot camp and basic training do that for the military. Law enforcement academy, nowadays, does not.” – Mike (25:15)

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4. Declining Police Morale & National Readiness (27:09; 28:35)

• LAPD Case Study: Losing officers, potential 1990s staffing levels ahead of major global events (like Olympics).
• Recruitment Crisis: Who wants to be a cop now? (28:38)
• DEI & Lowered Standards: Sharp criticism of "30 by 30" (recruiting 30% women by 2030 regardless of standards).

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5. Echo Chambers and Show Philosophy (22:28)

• Value in Adversarial Discussion: The show celebrates its lack of an echo chamber.
  • “The adversarial conversation style that we live in is how we solve the problem.” – Jimmy (22:21)
• Addressing Criticism: Hosts dissect listener feedback, emphasizing benefit of differing viewpoints.

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6. Government Corruption & Sheriff Power (31:31–34:34)

• Tyler’s Upcoming Investigation: Exposes a sheriff’s "criminal behavior" (teased for Wednesday’s episode).
  • “All of you would be arrested, wouldn’t even get a chance. … All the union leaders … are usually guys that are pro-admin or on their way out.” – Tyler (33:57)

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7. Military In/Outprocessing Stories (4:48–14:04)

• Vivid retellings of joining the military, MEPS process, basic training chaos ("shark attack" receptions, cattle trucks, locker dumps, sneaking food from the chow line).
• Humor and nostalgia interspersed with the present-day themes of discipline, readiness, and generational shift.

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8. Platforms & Podcasts as Information Battleground (41:50–47:37)

• The growing power of podcasts and government efforts to control/influence narrative.
  • Sean Ryan’s CIA guest and the possibility of being targeted for narrative control.
  • “They are the new source of information. So of course dad, big government is going to get in on it.” – Mike (42:48)

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9. Operation Allies Welcome (89:22–131:31)

Deep Dive: The Afghanistan Withdrawal & Aftermath

• Definition: “Operation Allies Welcome” pertains to the evacuation and resettling of Afghans after the U.S. withdrawal.
• Timeline:
  • Doha Agreement (Trump, 2020); formalized withdrawal, carried out under Biden (April–August 2021).
  • Abrupt replacement of ISAF commander Scotty Miller two months before final retrograde (91:20).
• Critical Withdrawal Missteps:
  • Closure of Bagram Airfield: Most defensible, best equipped; decision made at national command level (93:38).
  • Collapse of Security/Infrastructure: All resources and records lost; Taliban seizes U.S. materiel (94:40).
• Abbey Gate Attack (August 26, 2021):
  • 13 U.S. service members killed, 24 wounded (96:31).
  • Host accounts: Marines, 82nd Airborne, and Navy present amidst horror, chaos, executions by Taliban right next to U.S. service members (99:00).
  • Conflicting media reports about "gunfight" after bombing; direct testimony says Taliban fired on U.S. troops, who returned fire (104:54).
  • “After the Abbey Gate attack, the timetable got compressed and it became, ‘We gotta get the out of here now.’” – Jimmy (98:00)
• The Evacuation:
  • 124,000–150,000 Afghans flown out in ~2 weeks (108:41).
  • “Lily pad” bases in third countries for rushed processing.
  • DOD loses jurisdiction once Afghans land in the U.S.—Department of Homeland Security takes over (108:17).
  • Vetting Lapses: Up to 2,000 known hostile actors (IED makers, terrorists, facilitators of suicide bombings) likely entered the U.S.; many likely unvetted military-age males (109:02).
  • “Once they got over U.S. airspace, DOD can’t touch them anymore. It becomes DHS. And there are an estimated about 2,000 of them … that have American blood on their hands.” – Jimmy (108:17)
• Impact for U.S. Cops:
  • Practical Tip: Any traffic stop with an Arabic surname and DOB 1/1/1980 is likely an evacuee (124:06).
  • “If you end up in a traffic stop and you get a name … and the birth date is 1/1/1980—pretty good chance you’re looking at someone who came over on Operation Allies Welcome.” – Jimmy (124:06)
• Conspiratorial Concern: Both incompetence and willful malice present; government “hung us all out to dry” (113:02; 131:39).
  • “Probably not going to be us three sitting in this room that are going to pay for it; it’s probably going to be our kids.” – Jimmy (131:28)

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10. Recent Terror Plots and Soft Security

• Four arrested in LA for attempted New Year’s attack (123:24).
  • Hosts worry this is only the start: these will be “test cases” for bigger operations (132:00).
• “The only thing that’s gonna stop a gunfight is a gun.” – Tyler (71:46)
• Criticism of anti-gun policy in the U.S. and Australia, highlighting recent incidents where unarmed civilians and gun-shy police failed to stop attacks (62:30–68:00).

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11. Sports Segment: Florida High School “Hail Mary” (76:27)

• Recap of Florida State High School Championship ending on a dramatic last-second Hail Mary.
• Commentary on the crush of winning/losing for young players and the mental/emotional impact.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I always take the real things that matter, and I put it like a pill in the cheese for the dog.” – Mike on the show’s philosophy (22:28)
• “Wearing your vest, being prepared... being physically fit, being able to chase cars… reload your gun. Those are basic. Basic.” – Tyler (20:09)
• “You bring real issues to the table… with humor, entertainment… Put it in the cheese for the consumer to eat.” – Mike (22:28)
• “If you see a Middle Eastern name and 1/1/1980, the hair on your neck should go up.” – Jimmy (124:11)
• “We left over a hundred canines there… they torture them and kill them.” – Jimmy (116:48)
• “Treason is… the tip of the iceberg. It goes all the way back to biblical times.” – Mike (133:41)

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Timestamps for Essential Segments

• 03:19 – Tribute to fallen National Guardsmen
• 15:14 – Verse of the Day & explanation
• 16:52 – Pursuits and policing debate
• 27:09 / 28:35 – National police morale, LAPD staffing crisis
• 31:31–34:34 – Sheriff power, corruption and Tyler’s investigation
• 41:50–47:37 – Podcasts as new battleground for public opinion
• 89:22–131:31 – Operation Allies Welcome in depth
• 110:38 – Speed and scale of Afghan evacuation
• 124:06 – Law enforcement tip: DOB flags for evacuation
• 132:00 – Fears of future, larger terrorist incidents
• 76:27 / 78:05 – Florida high school Hail Mary sports highlight
• 116:48 – Dogs left behind in Afghanistan

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Overall Tone & Style

The tone is blunt, candid, and frequently irreverent, with rapid shifts between dark humor, deeply personal military/police war stories, and grave national security analysis. The hosts speak as insiders—veterans, career cops, and working-class types—often using coarse language and gallows humor. Throughout, they critique cowardice, mismanagement, and “PC” culture both within law enforcement and the federal government, calling for more competence, honesty, and traditional warrior values.

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For Listeners:
This episode is a sobering reflection on the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, the repercussions for American safety, failures of government and policing, and the importance of being ready—mentally, physically, and civically—when leadership falls short. The hosts blend raw storytelling, hard-won insight, and investigative grit to serve those “on the line”—and the ordinary citizens who depend on them.

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Transcript

[Jimmy]

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[Mike]

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[Tyler]

And real quick, the two National Guardsmen lost their life. I wanted to officially died. Yeah, they both died in that ISIS.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Sergeant Edgar Brown Torres Tovar, 25 years old of Iowa, and Sergeant William Nathaniel Howard, 29 of Iowa.

[Jimmy]

Thought one was a girl.

[Tyler]

No, that was the DC. This is the ISIS test.

[Jimmy]

Syria attack.

[Tyler]

Syria attack.

[Mike]

What?

[Tyler]

We lost two National Guard in Syria.

[Jimmy]

Was it green on blue?

[Mike]

Oh, oh, friendlies, but not friendlies. Yeah.

[Tyler]

So Sergeant Edgar Brown Torres Tavar, 25, Iowa, and Sgt. Williams Nathaniel Howard, 29 of Iowa. Lost their lives. Tragedy.

[Mike]

First off, we're gonna try to do. I forgot to tell you this. You still have that, that verse?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I do.

[Mike]

Gotta start ev we show off with our verse of the day.

[Jimmy]

I do actually. I gotta.

[Mike]

I mean that's. I was late this morning though, while you look for that. I was heating up my coffee, but I had just ate eggs so the burner was still hot. And you know how they have that plastic thing that people keep in the microwave to keep like sauce. I. I was like in a rush. I threw my coffee in there, sat it down, and then Heather came in and was like, what the. And it was all melted on the stove.

[Tyler]

Oh, you put the.

[Mike]

We were scraping. I had to like keep the stove on to keep it wet.

[Tyler]

You know that, what I do with that thing, I put my plate right on top of. Never comes out of the microwave. I just put my plate on top of it. I don't even know why it's in there.

[Mike]

And speaking of service members, I often forget that there is a young generation of kids going into the military every single day. My cousin Ryan just left for the Air Force today. He's leaving. Tonight's his MEPs night. Oh boy, oh boy. And he goes into, into, into the Air Force, which when I went to MEPs. I know you went to Maps. Probably one of those rename something else.

[Jimmy]

But.

[Mike]

He met us.

[Jimmy]

He met at the tavern. Yeah, he was at the tavern.

[Mike]

Make your mark.

[Jimmy]

We had to make the marks on.

[Tyler]

The road march up the pyramids in Gaza. Up the pyramids and you know, into the whole. I just swearing with two tank them.

[Jimmy]

And all that stuff.

[Tyler]

So it was cool.

[Mike]

We when MEPs. I don't know if you guys haven't joined the military. When you go to MEPs twice, you first go to MEPs with your recruiter. You get a lot of stuff done. You get your shipping date and then you Go home. And then you wait for your shipping date, and then you go back to MEPs a second time to finalize everything. But you go to MEPs and then you go to a hotel, you spend the night in the hotel, and they pick you up in the morning, and they take you to wherever you're going. And when I joined, my family came. They were like, at the night. At MEPs the second night, no drinking. They were like, do not party. Do not drink. And I was like, yeah, okay. I wasn't a drinker. I didn't party. I was like, okay. And so my. My family stayed in the hotel with me. You know, just send me off. And I woke up the next morning and said, bye. And I got on the bus and everybody was obliterated. And they were like, dude, we partied so hard last night. I was like, but we weren't supposed to.

[Tyler]

You guys had that kinder experience real nice.

[Mike]

My family.

[Tyler]

My family put me on a bus three hours from Miami in a hood.

[Mike]

Like the Vietnam green.

[Tyler]

I got on the bus, I went to Miami airport, I flew to Atlanta, and I got picked up at 3am for by the Fort Benning E4 crew that I had no idea that they weren't started smoking me from that point forward. And I didn't stop doing push ups for 14 weeks.

[Mike]

You never forget those bus rides. No, they just get on the bus. I know the marines get the. The drill sergeants get on the bus and start. But the army infantry, when I went, I guess they take a different approach. And he was like, hello, gentlemen. And it was just what, three, four in the morning?

[Jimmy]

And you're like, eyes are glued up. He was like, ready to get killed.

[Mike]

He's like, get off my bus. You know, everybody's starting to walk. And you're like, okay, this isn't bad. And you, you. They line y' all up. They have the feet print already there, the feet paint, and then it just starts slowly. But I remember before it got crazy, they had the amnesty box. They were like, if any of you have anything you're not supposed to have, everyone's gonna walk by and put it in the box. All right? They found, like, ammo and.

[Jimmy]

Jesus Christ.

[Tyler]

That was a little different.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, mine. Mine was a little bit different. I mean, they were screaming and yelling at us from the moment we got to 30th AG.

[Mike]

30Th AG. And then all the suicide kids with traffic vests on were in charge of us.

[Tyler]

We just took their shoelaces. They didn't get vests.

[Mike]

They got vests and shoelaces.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I just remember I'll never. I can't recreate anybody in my. Like to tell the story was we spent a week in reception. So you think you're going for 13 weeks. Well, then you have a reception week. They don't tell you. Critter doesn't tell you about that. But I can never forget the back of those cattle trucks opening. And I didn't realize they brought every drill sergeant from, like, every unit.

[Jimmy]

Oh, you went on a cattle.

[Tyler]

I went on a cattle truck from reception to first echo for echo first of the 50th.

[Mike]

Oh, maybe we did so. No, no, we did.

[Tyler]

You can't see anything.

[Mike]

Yeah, you can't.

[Tyler]

No, we were cattle trucks. You can't see anything. The door opens and it's the shark attack. And you got like 300 dudes just running, running. And dudes are ending up like four companies away from where they're supp. What the are you doing over here?

[Mike]

Growing men crying. All the dudes that thought they were hard.

[Jimmy]

You get told to grab your duffel back, go over there, talk to that drill song. You're like, I don't know why I'm here.

[Tyler]

I'll never forget that. We're holding the duffel bags with that nylon for like four and a half hours of scanning information. And my hands. I very soft hand weak. And they're cows now, but then I was bleeding, bleed. And just there's one guy thinks it's funny, and one dude always thinks it's funny and he's laughing and you're like.

[Jimmy]

Psychopath, dude, Shut the up, dude. These comments are so hilarious. Like, the rifle on the EIB is the rifle mic qualified.

[Tyler]

It was a different time.

[Jimmy]

The cattle truck was actually pulled by horses.

[Tyler]

1996, man. It was.

[Mike]

I mean, they still did the shark attack when I went in 2007. And I mean it, dude, you look back 30th AG. Dude, that's the worst. I know everybody has a reception time, but. And they had. So they locked up all of our pers. Obviously you had a personal bag when you showed up. They locked. Everybody's in a conex. You will you. I mean, they get cell phones now. We had Nokias at the time, but that ipods everything locked until graduation. And I remember one time we graduated, we were like on our last days, they gave us our stuff. We're like, oh, music. I was like, they were like, oh, by the way, one of the mentally ill kids that got kicked out for suicide, he broke in the conics and stole a bunch of. And all my.

[Jimmy]

Was stolen.

[Mike]

And I was like. I went. I was pissed. I went to the battalion sergeant major at 254 and he was like, welcome to the army.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's cool. You guys had iPad. You know what? When I got it when I graduated, you know what I had? Alanis Morissette tape on a Walkman to listen through airborne school. That's what I had.

[Jimmy]

That's all. There was nothing.

[Mike]

Dude, why do you listen to Atlantis?

[Jimmy]

That's all I had.

[Tyler]

For some reason. I had like, somebody gave me a tape. I had a tape recorder. I remember in airborne school. Isn't this ironic? And I'm just laying there all night over and over, listening to the same that's it. Walkman.

[Mike]

I had an ipod before iPhones. I remember that.

[Jimmy]

I mean, I didn't have a cell phone, dude. I. I had. I had nothing. I mean, of course, I'm a military brat, so I already kind of got front loaded with like, this is how it's gonna be. Don't bring anything. And when.

[Mike]

That's what he said. He said, you shouldn't brought anything. We told you nothing.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I didn't bring. And got there. Got done. And then I remember when we got to do the duffel bag drag and get ready to go, and it's time to leave. And we could go to the big PX over on Kelly Hill. And I was like, I think I bought a CD player. And who was it? It was Disturbed. It was their first album.

[Tyler]

I was. We had records back when I went in. We'd have CDs I couldn't carry.

[Jimmy]

I got the record player.

[Mike]

Know what I hated most is when they would do things like dump all of your in the middle. Oh, dude.

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike]

Your stuff.

[Jimmy]

Oh, my God.

[Mike]

Say bye. Say bye to your stuff. It's gone. You're. They want you. They dump all your. In the middle because it's an. It's gonna happen. They just blame it on one thing. They blame it on, like somebody left their wall locker open at some point. 40 dudes, someone's gonna up and they dump all your. I mean, our beds, our bags, our wall lockers. Wall lockers tipped over. The whole bay was in the middle. And everyone's bathing clothing, uniforms. Like when you.

[Jimmy]

They take the soap and squeeze it out on everybody.

[K9]

Yeah.

[Mike]

My.

[Tyler]

My battle. My battle buddy was a soup sandwich. You end up going awol. I'm leaving. And. But up until that point, he was so up that I had to. We had to move our bunk and locker downstairs. And I had to sleep with him in the company area outside for like, three nights because he was so up. So I'm sleeping outside in Georgia with mosquitoes. And they, they put us down there for the firewatch. People had to watch us all night.

[Jimmy]

Oh, it's brutal. It was. It was cold when he left.

[Tyler]

I was like, thank God what he did. What I did when he left was I made my bunk perfect and I slept on his un unsheated bunk next to me. He was the last one before the bathroom. So I was in the middle of the night. I'm like, I'm not making it. I'm sleeping. Sleeping.

[Jimmy]

I would. I was there when September 11 happened. So it was cold by the time we were doing the final fx.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, it was.

[Jimmy]

It was horrible. That was summer.

[Mike]

Oh, man.

[Tyler]

April, May, June, July.

[Jimmy]

I, I, you know, because they're not letting you wear snivelgay. We're out there and freaking.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

In the.

[Mike]

You cannot wear the things they issue you. It's the weirdest thing in the world.

[Tyler]

Put that rain jacket away.

[Mike]

Yeah. And then you get to your unit, you'll never. The army issues you for PT outside. The army issues you a jacket and pants to do pt and you get one of each. And the pants, if you're in the infantry, say bye to them. You can wear them at home. Yeah, but they're not. I mean, they're. They're. They were the weirdest pants I was in. I don't know if there's that.

[Jimmy]

Great. Yeah, that gray suit and.

[Mike]

But you never wear pants. And it had to be like 15 degrees before they let you wear a jacket. Do you remember that? Like, make you more of a man.

[Jimmy]

I mean, like, let's just be miserable. Hey, we're bringing all this wet weather gear and snivel gear to the field, but you ain't wearing it.

[Tyler]

Look at this stupid idiot wearing a rain jacket. What the is wrong with you?

[Jimmy]

We're in a differential town.

[Tyler]

The range blowing sideways at 60. That blew 70.

[Jimmy]

Where I'm from, it's like, dude, okay, I got the. The worst thing that ever happened to me at basic training was they were. We had. They found some. They were going through everybody's. And they picked up a boot and threw it, and a orange came flying out.

[Tyler]

Oh, man.

[Jimmy]

So they were like. Was in one of the drill sergeants. Drill sergeant stock. Guys, was that a orange? And I'm like, oh, my God.

[Mike]

I used to sneak stuff from the chows I was so hungry.

[Tyler]

I would volunteer for KP just to eat, dude. I would grab the. Those sheet. They would put the sheet cakes out all the time and nobody was allowed. They make.

[Mike]

They make chocolate cake sheets, dude. Huge.

[Tyler]

And nobody touches it all day.

[Jimmy]

It's a psychological thing I would do.

[Tyler]

Is I would take KPI, I would, like, look around. I would scoop under the sheet and just smash, like, a bunch of it on my arm. Run to the bathroom and sit in the bathroom. So I went to the soda machine. I'd run to the soda machine and just.

[Mike]

You can only have red and blue Powerade. Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

And I mean. And don't talk when you sit down. If you got time to talk, you got time to get the out like.

[Mike]

Oh, my God.

[Tyler]

God.

[Jimmy]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Good times, man. Yeah, it was. It was. It was fun.

[Mike]

What's the verse of the day?

[Jimmy]

So our verse of the day is 2nd Corinthians 10:12. We dare not classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves. They are not wise. We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits. But. But we will confine our boasting to the sphere of service of God himself has assigned up to us a sphere that also includes you.

[Mike]

Nice. Yeah. Can you give us layman's terms?

[Jimmy]

So basically what Paul's saying is he's kind of going like, hey, guys, you know, this is who I am. This is where I'm from. You know, I. People say that I'm. I'm this and I'm that, but I don't. I don't boast about that stuff. I don't. You people can say whatever they want about how great I am or how terrible I am. Doesn't bother me at all. And I'm not going to sit here and run my mouth and tell you how. How great I am. Why would I do that? I'm not going to get up on national television or in front of the Roman Forum and say, I'm the greatest. You need to listen to me. You need to listen to what I say. I'm gonna come. I'm gonna contain myself to the things that God wants me to do, and I'm not going to measure myself by other people. And the people that do that are freaking stupid. All right.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[K9]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, we. We see them on YouTube a lot.

[Jimmy]

We do, yeah.

[Mike]

Obviously, we're not a Christian broadcast, but we are a Christian influence broadcast. I'd like to say we're heavily influenced by Christianity. The whole Point of it is to entertain those warriors appointed by God. So we've got a couple. We got a good show today. We got a good sports segment. As you can see. That'll be not. And you might. It was a Florida state championship for high school. And you might think, why would I care about the state championship in Florida? But I guarantee you, you've seen the clip. It's an amazing story and it's crazy the two people sitting here, but we'll get into that. 12, 15 sports with canine. We got some reflections. Let's start with Thursday night. We did our Thursday night night shift. Let's start with that.

[Jimmy]

I got, I got pretty well slayed in the comments for my take on Pursuits.

[Mike]

What'd they say?

[Jimmy]

Oh, it was, it was bad. Like, this guy has never been a Leo. He doesn't know what the he's talking about. You're gonna let all the criminals run away? You know, like what, what kind of world are you living in? We'll just let. It's gonna be anarchy and dogs and cats living together.

[Mike]

It is right now, so.

[Jimmy]

It already is. I mean, and look, Mike gets on this show every freaking day and talks about that. Cops dancing on Tick Tock. Cops that aren't trained. Freaking bad, you know, bad leadership. And you want me to go? Yeah, I think absolutely. We need to go ahead and let these run people down. I'm sorry, I. I can't get behind it. It's one or the other, Mike.

[Tyler]

I can respect that. I can respect. And what, what we said, I said to you before we came on. I'll say it again, is I am absolutely an advocate for Pursuits. But the problem is they don't train it. So I, I agree with your position as a civilian going, these guys, all I see is cops up, wrecking. They're out of shape, they're not training. So pursuits are inherently dangerous. And it takes very high level training to consistently conduct a pursuit in the safest possible manner. You got a guy like Jordan Ennis, who was my co host on Hot Topic for a long time. He's all over YouTube. You can go watch him. He's been in like 140, 150 pursuits, pitted up all the cards. Never anything's happened. Never bad because now not luck can come into that. But he's well trained and so is his unit. But I could see where a small town somewhere that's not training. It is just reckless. And there's always a time to back off. There's always a time to slow it down. But I mean, I think it's. I. As we're going to talk about this show when it comes to like cops not performing, cops not doing things in major events, but just have a mindset that you're not going to chase anybody. That's usually the case.

[K9]

It's not.

[Tyler]

We're going to. Not going to chase anybody.

[Mike]

It's it. The. The debate is who to chase and. And why.

[Jimmy]

Look, I'm. I'm gonna take a hard stance on this and I'm gonna catch hell for it. I don't give a. If you can't put your magazines incorrectly. I don't want you pitting a car if you can't wear your goddamn vest. I don't want you pitting a car if you cannot do these things.

[Mike]

By the way, learning about law enforcement and he's using it.

[Jimmy]

Here's the thing. Here's what actually works though. Mike, what did we talk about this morning? Did you look at somebody's social media recently? A law enforcement agency that like all of a sudden everybody's.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll say it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I constantly cook. You talk about. I cook my own agency. Horrendously.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

They don't wear vests. Vera beach police department doesn't any repairs and they don't. And over the weekend, Vera beach police department quietly turned their comments off now on social media.

[Mike]

So not allowed to do that, right?

[Tyler]

No, they can turn them off. They just can't delete them.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

But for the first time, I will.

[Mike]

On all social media.

[Tyler]

On all social media. Okay. I will say it and I'm very happy. I don't know why it happened, but I saw the in county sheriff's office attend shop with a cop at Walmart and every single officer had their vest on for the event.

[Mike]

You did it.

[Jimmy]

So my wife.

[Tyler]

My wife is very much responsible for it. She's an advocate. There's no reason not to wear it. I know you talk about taking it off, that's fine. Go ahead, get killed at your bold day. I don't mind. I'll get half price while I'm waiting to do the crime scene. But. But in.

[Mike]

Do you think they would still eat there?

[Jimmy]

I would, I would.

[K9]

I would.

[Tyler]

I'd be like, stupid, give me a double chicken bowl. But if. Whatever it takes and people say I'm a cop hater, I'm not being hard on that very important task which is wearing your vest. If. If it takes me being the prick, that's fine because I had a co worker I want to Talk about this quickly. I've achieved a new level because I had a co worker that not too long ago walked up and shook my hand and said hello. I saw him Saturday, Friday, said, what day is today?

[Jimmy]

Today's Monday.

[Tyler]

Saturday, he walked in a restaurant. There was nobody in it. He walked right by me. We looked at each other. He walked right by me and walked out. And I think same thing happened. That's what I wanted. That's what I want. I wanted the guys that were fake to not say hi to me anymore. And he did. And I'm glad. And there's a lot more to that story. I can go into who he is and what other crazy he's done, but it's. If it takes me being hard on cops to go, this guy. Like, you put in that reel, like, you know, admin's like, oh, Copville. This guy. But tell me what I'm saying that's wrong. Tell me one reel I've posted that's wrong. You can debate me on some of them, but wearing your vest, being prepared for the job, being physically fit, being able to chase cars, being able to chase bad guys, being able to reload your gun. Those are basic. Basic.

[Jimmy]

That's academy. Basic yellow level.

[Tyler]

Not search warrants and all that stuff. But tell me where I'm wrong.

[Mike]

I just would love. I. And to. So that's all serious stuff. But at the end of the day, we have a show that has different opinions in it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I've never seen. So like I said it Thursday night, the reel didn't do as well as the Pursuit Wheel. But I said all. Like, not all cops. Cops in general are.

[Jimmy]

You did say that.

[Mike]

Oh, my God. All they do is cry and whine and they're like, there. It's like. There was one comment about. I used to like this show, but this Jimmy guy is why I watch more and more. He doesn't know this. And I'm like, he brings a different perspective to the show. He's very knowledgeable. I mean, I did. I defended you for obviously, while you're on the show. But I was like. And then I was like, but the whole point is, why would you want to sit there and watch a circle take? Is that what they call it? Where we all just say the same thing over and over again?

[Jimmy]

It's a echo chamber.

[Mike]

Yeah, echo chamber.

[Tyler]

We can't even agree on ad reads, man. Like, yeah, we got. We got.

[Jimmy]

I mean, we have a. We have a free freaking argument over how we're going to do ad reads.

[Tyler]

Yeah, and.

[Jimmy]

But that's important. The adversarial conversation style that we live in is how we solve the problem.

[Mike]

I said this since day one when I started this podcast in a den. Now it's a broadcast. It was a podcast at the time. And I said, I always take the real things that matter, and I put it like a pill in the cheese for the dog. The cheese is the crude humor, the fun, the entertainment side. You're not going to be able to bring real issues to the table without it being put in the cheese for the consumer to eat. It's just. It is what it is. So.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, you're. We could just sit here and read policy all day if we want to talk about cops. I mean, honestly, because the policy tells you all the guidelines that you're supposed to perform by. But then we have to talk about the other things. It's just.

[Jimmy]

And look, if. If you're going to say, well, Jimmy doesn't know this. Jimmy doesn't know this. Mike said it. You know, Jimmy doesn't know this about cops. Well, how many, you know, SEALs and Delta Force and. And every other person is going to come into your agency and go, this is the way you need to do it? You're like, that's it. He never put the badge on once in his life.

[Tyler]

The gospel. They're gonna, like I said, upside down your dick out.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

They'll tell you to shoot like that. And that guy. Everybody's doing it. Everybody's doing it because that's what he said. But you're right. I have a very good page. I have a very good comment section. DMs on Cobbill. But I do get a lot. I sometimes get people that disagree, and I don't mind disagreeing. My problem with the disagreements are you can't take cheap shots from. We've talked about this from a hidden account. If you want to have an actual adult conversation, then let's do it, because I don't help my resume. I'm not here to tell you what I did and all that stuff. I. Whatever it is what it is, I am.

[Jimmy]

I'm gonna tell you, but I. I.

[Tyler]

Don'T care about that. I just know that you. I may not be the smartest person at the table. I may not be. I'm definitely not the. The best looking. The guy at the table might be the jack.

[Jimmy]

This.

[Tyler]

But I have a place at the table. I know I did. I've done some things, and I may be wrong on some things, but I know I have at least a place. Place to sit down and go, you know, I've done a few things. I've been involved in a few things, like you can convince me I'm wrong and I'll agree to that. But.

[Mike]

Well, I was talking to have a place Jimmy outside. And I said, this is a couple days ago, maybe a week ago. And we were talking about somebody that he knows that's joining law enforcement. And Jimmy brought up the fact. Well, I don't like. Jimmy was like, I don't know. But he was like, Mike, you know, said this. And the guy was like, mike doesn't know what he's talking about. He's watched. You know, that's that generation. That's that. Not like you, but that's the generation. And I was like, that's my thing about new cops is that the type of person that is required to be a cop or they are of the I'm confident mentality, but they're. They're not teachable. And that's why old school ftos had to teach you the way they did. Because they're new cops, whether it be 1910 or 2025, have a I already know it attitude. They're not willing to learn anything. So you have to do things like leave them at a grocery store. You have to do things like tell them you're fired. You have to do things like take them to the McDonald's, drive through and at hell to ask for an application because they're failing. You have to do those things to break someone down, to go. You don't. Because boot camp and basic training do that for the military.

[Jimmy]

Yep.

[Mike]

Law enforcement, the academy. Academy, unfortunately, nowadays does not.

[Tyler]

Would you rather take the Jerry Worms era of policing, the first eight seasons of cops have those guys respond to your call, or would you rather take the new on patrol live generation of cops come to you?

[Jimmy]

I mean, is that even a serious.

[Tyler]

And then what I would say is those older guys weren't trained as good as maybe the training is offered right now. But they would have gone and done it and they would have gotten better because a lot of those guys back then didn't wear vests. It wasn't as popular. Equipment wasn't as good. But you give a Jerry Worms modern technology, a taser and all the ability to train with this new wave of CJ training, that would be your example.

[Jimmy]

We give him the super soldier serum.

[Tyler]

Now we have all the technology. Jiu jitsu training, gun lights, would have.

[Mike]

Been a legal weapon.

[Tyler]

All the stuff to make your job that much Easier. But these kids don't. Don't go out and train and don't get better.

[Jimmy]

So.

[Mike]

And the problem is, I mean, this is a real thing. Crime was not as bad as it is now. People's mental health is more out there now. Like crazy people are out amongst us now because they shut down the asylums.

[K9]

I'm sorry.

[Mike]

I mean, that is what it is. They shut down mental health asylum, so now they're out on the street with us. And now people. This is gonna sound silly, but a lot of people are trained on how to fight. And back in 1980, 1990s, you just didn't have to be that trained cop as much as you have to be today.

[Jimmy]

It's. I mean, like, you need to be looking at people's ears out here.

[Tyler]

Like, it would be like downsizing the military with everything that's going on. It's like, as the world gets crazier, it's like, oh, let's just get less, soldier. It's like, as the world gets crazier, cops go, well, I'm gonna do less. Oh, well, I got something really, I'm gonna do less. I'm not going to train as hard.

[Mike]

I got something I want to tie into that. Los Angeles Police Department, two days ago. Mayor Karen Bass is urging City Council to approve a 4.4 million to ramp up LAPD hiring. Warning the city cannot afford to slow down. Police Chief Jim McDonald says staffing is already down 1400 officers from 2019, with retirements threatening to push levels back to the mid-1990s. With the world cup just months away and the Olympics approaching, leaders say continued hiring is critical to public safety. LAPD has boosted recruitment by 27, but officials stress funding is needed to now keep momentum going. So I don't know if you know this, Jimmy, but retirements, it's a. They'll hit in waves and they'll crush an apartment when Everybody's done their 20 or 25 years, you lose all at the same time.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, you lose institutional knowledge.

[Tyler]

People guys used to stay though you. They did. Now the DI hire that's started 18 years after them is three ranks ahead of them. Yeah, you got the 30 by 30 agenda, which is the most dangerous thing in policing. I don't care what you say. To push 30 women by 2030 with no standard or no qualification needed. Just the fact that you're going to put 30 women out there regardless is terrible, Terrible. And then who wants to be a cop? Who wants to be a cop in today's world? In la, Hell Watching that happen and.

[Jimmy]

Go, oh, you know what?

[Tyler]

There's not enough money.

[Mike]

Everybody ever. When I was in, every single person, Jimmy, I'm telling you, hated their job. They hated being there. There is something as far as a cynical person. Everybody hates their job. Grass is always going to blah, blah. Dude, every single person did not want to be there. They all had. All they did is gripe, complain. Which again goes with the culture of cop work. That's fine. It's like the smoke pit in the army. He hated every day of it. It was retarded. But you look back and you go, man, those were the days. I haven't woken up one day and missed that job.

[Jimmy]

You know, I was. I was driving in this morning, coming down I4 right and heading towards the studio and there was a big accident on the westbound lane. And I mean, this one Orlando PD vehicle after another after another and fires out there. And you know, like, you're looking at those guys and. And you're like, you know, I mean it looks like it sucks, but like, I mean, at least it's fulfilling. You know, you're doing it. You're doing a service, you're doing a good job, you're keeping people safe. And then you get on here and it's like this job, it's.

[Mike]

It, I'm out. It's just. They don't make it. There's so much bad that comes with that job that it used to be that the job you would admin. What it just. The culture is so bad now. You're written up for everything.

[Tyler]

You.

[Mike]

It's a. It's a joke.

[Tyler]

It is a joke.

[Mike]

It's a.

[Jimmy]

Job's a joke.

[Tyler]

You just.

[Mike]

They have drive. They have cameras in your car that write you up for the break. What do you call that? The G4 GeForce. And they go, well, you rolled that stop sign while you're running code to somebody dying. Yeah. And now you're getting supervisors that don't have the backbone to say, well, that's my guy is going to save a life. Of course he's going to roll a stop sign because then they'll lose their job. And the lieutenant that doesn't enforce that will lose his job. And the cabinets. It's so ass backward. It's police departments now. All the old school big serges are all gone. There might be one or two of them hiding somewhere, but that's it. The whole admin needs to be wiped out in all agencies. 100.

[Jimmy]

This to me is analogous to the.

[Tyler]

Dude, go ahead.

[Mike]

I'm Gonna hire somebody every episode to find the word that you.

[Tyler]

Because you do it on purpose.

[Jimmy]

I didn't do it on purpose.

[Mike]

Analogous.

[Jimmy]

Analogous. It's an analogy. It's analogous to what happened to the military during Vietnam. Right. It was not a popular place to go. Everybody was against him. Everybody hated him. Everybody that had to do it didn't want to be no morale. No morale. And then by the time Vietnam's over, the military is destroyed from the inside out. Everybody that's left is just rotting. And the, you know, Colin Powell and Schwarzkopf and them guys said, we're revamping the Army.

[Mike]

And I would. And I'm still against the national police force right now on record on December 12, 2025. But I would listen to how it would improve police morale across the country. Well, I would listen to it.

[Tyler]

I'll end with this.

[Mike]

I'm.

[Tyler]

My episode Wednesday noon on Cobb is going to expose actual criminal behavior by a local sheriff. Criminal behavior. And I'm interested to see when this comes out what happens. Every other human being breathing on earth would be arrested for what I'm going to drop Wednesday. You would go to jail and be arrested. They have too much power. They have too much ability to break the law. I've said their names over and over again. Marcino, Greg, Tony, all these sheriffs, they're overpowered. My sheriff, I told you recently, put a policy in place that says right in black and white, you can't talk about him in any way. You cannot say anything about him. You can't talk about him. While I do version of the sheriff, it doesn't clarify. It just says subversion of the sheriff under any circumstances, anything deemed detriment, any. List a bunch of cases that are federal and Florida, thank God, Florida actually has a case law and a statute that protects that you can't do that. So he's got an illegal policy that. That says you can do.

[Mike]

Is anybody fighting it?

[Tyler]

No, they're. I told you two people voted no on the last year.

[Mike]

Well, you actually found out recently that there's no one to check a sheriff.

[Tyler]

No, that's what I'm saying.

[Mike]

Doesn't check a sheriff.

[Tyler]

Dealing with it. So I will tell you, if you ever watch one of my episodes, this isn't a pop. I want you guys to see what they do and what they get away with and it's criminal. And let's see what happens. I need everybody to get involved and follow this story once it breaks because they need to be held accountable. All of you would be arrested Wouldn't even get a chance. You have a warrant and you'd be in jail immediately. If I put this report together on.

[Jimmy]

A normal citizen and like share, comment, subscribe.

[Tyler]

Yeah, just, just be ready for Wednesday and you'll. It'll be on my copy OG YouTube and True PD is assisting me dropping two videos as well.

[Mike]

And is he coming on our YouTube or what?

[Tyler]

Yeah, we got, we're supposed to do like two weeks ago, but. Yeah, but we'll see. I, I just, I, I tell you the reason I say that is what this conversation is about is they do whatever they want. And it's, it's not crybaby stuff. It is actually. They do whatever they want. They put whoever they want wherever they want them. They do whatever they want. You have no recourse in the state of Florida to fight administration. They go to Georgia and they can just fire you for anything. You don't even have to like, Florida at least protects you a little bit. Yeah, but the unions, there's no such thing. And all the union leaders, which I got anonymous email after I did my episode last week that confirmed what I said is all the union leaders in the agencies are usually guys that are pro admin and they're like or on their way out.

[Jimmy]

Sure.

[Tyler]

You want to approve to fight that 3% raise for 4% or you want to be on the lieutenant's list next month?

[Jimmy]

I mean, here's the thing. If you are a Leo and you are not in Florida, this doesn't mean to you, this absolutely does mean to me because everywhere, if it does, if it happens here, it can happen for you, it can happen for anybody. You have to stop these from taking advantage of their positions of power. We can't do it in D.C. but we can do it here. And this is close to home.

[Tyler]

It just doesn't make sense. How can you commit crime? And you are the. You as a sheriff, you are the guy you were elected as the guy that says everything. I'm responsible for everything. My behavior on and off duty for 5, 600 deputies, thousands. If you're over here and I have to lead by example. And that'd be like the, you know, that would be like Pete Hegseth going out getting DUIs and just doing every wanted and being like, sorry, I can do whatever I want. He can. But he should support it. He should.

[Jimmy]

But still he can be the.

[Tyler]

Or it'd be like him stealing money from the military and then going, oh, sorry, Joe Private, you, you racked up an extra charge in the chow hall we're gonna put you in court.

[Mike]

We gotta move on.

[Jimmy]

Good.

[Mike]

All right. Reflection still, Danny boy. Dan Crenshaw.

[Jimmy]

Dan Crenshaw.

[Mike]

Dan Crenshaw. I just want to bring up the fact that obviously everybody knows by now that Sean Ryan has been invited Dan Crenshaw to come on his show. I don't know how that would work when you have lawyers everywhere.

[Jimmy]

I don't.

[Mike]

But it is rumored that Dan Crenshaw will not do it. Will not. I don't want to say take the bait, but is not going to take the opportunity to go on Sean Ryan's show. I was talking with Mike about it. Dan Crenshaw did ask to come on the Anti Hero podcast a couple weeks ago for reasons, you know, other than that we.

[Jimmy]

We.

[Mike]

We couldn't make it happen at the time. And then we just. We haven't reached back out to him and we were talking and it's like the blowback that I foresaw Anti Hero broadcast bringing on Dan Crenshaw, the most hated politician in America right now. Hated because of. Is our people are supposed to like him, but they don't. Yeah, everybody would pretty much demonize us and everybody nobody would have.

[Jimmy]

Would have supported. I mean, let's. Look, I'm. I. Eddie Gallagher is our friend. Yeah, that's the. And. And we're pretty loyal.

[Mike]

No, and it's not even just that. It's that, you know, we. It. He doesn't.

[Tyler]

The hard part, I think we're trying to say the hard part is if everybody's going to want us to drill down and just go at him and we.

[Jimmy]

As a.

[Tyler]

You can't.

[Mike]

No.

[Tyler]

Especially if he drives here or flies here. It's like we're just gonna sit here and look at him and go, hey, you piece of. Like, we.

[Mike]

I mean, there was. I posted. I posted a video a cropped it from back in February when we talked to him, and people were like, didn't you interview him six months ago and ask him the same softball questions? And I'm like, you retard. It's the same interview. And we're still going through that to this day. We cannot have. Mike was hard on him, but at the time, I was the co host of the entire. I was. Of the podcast and I couldn't do that. And so I just want everybody that's listening now and will ever see this. If you. You can't have in your mind that one podcast can have Dan Crenshaw on and go, oh, good for them. And then another podcast go, why would.

[Jimmy]

You have Dan Crenshaw on dude.

[Mike]

I mean, I want to call those people out because they will support Sean Ryan having them on. There will be some people. Sean has haters, too, just because he's popular. Yeah, it's like liking Metallica. Like, I don't like Metallica.

[Jimmy]

I like Sean. I think he's good.

[Mike]

He's a good dude, too. And. But Sean. Sean Ryan is not going to. If you take like the per capita blowback that would be Comparable his versus ours. Ours would be 90. Absolute hatred of us having him on and don't support it. Sean Ryan will probably have 10% that doesn't support it.

[Tyler]

And we could ask the same. We could script it like wwe. Have Sean Ryan ask the same questions we do. Yeah, he's going to get 90%. What a great interview. He did great. We're going to get cooks. Didn't ask him no questions. You gave him softballs. Because there was no softballs from, from me.

[Mike]

There were neutral.

[Tyler]

You stayed neutral. I asked that dude flat to his face. Have you ever once in your life said anything wrong? You've sat here for an hour talking about how great you are and how you've never said one thing wrong. And you know, Brent wasn't here. That episode. It was all. Brent would have, you know, cut his head off and drank his blood and all that garbage. Like, I'm telling you, there's no right answer for us.

[Mike]

Sometimes in this, in this sphere, the I, I've called it. I know. I can tell. I can watch how this entertainment sphere is shaped. The bro vet culture that all the hate and everything, it's getting old. People are sick of it dying. And the next wave of entertainment in the bro vet sphere and in the Special Forces sphere is going to be reconnecting with the people that you drug through the mud. Yeah. I'm telling you right now, you might know who I'm talking about, might not know who I'm talking about, but I guarantee you that's going to be the new trend. It's going to be positivity. I mean, that's like shoot you in the leg and go. And then me doing a video of putting a tourniquet on I, I, I, I, and it's entertainment. I don't blame him.

[Jimmy]

Friday I was driving home and I'm. I'm talking to my buddy who was in the Air Force, and he's like, you guys should start a business. Have you or any of your loved ones ever been sued by former Navy SEAL who wrote a book Contact the Anti hero podcast. We can help you.

[Tyler]

I'm going to take a picture of who is going to be on what episode of what show right now. So here's it. There it is. I just snapped it when it comes out.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna post this picture of who that we were. Right. It's written right here.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're. We're gonna find out, aren't we? I think. I don't think Crenshaw's going on Sean Ryan. I don't think that's gonna.

[Mike]

That's not. Because it'd be stupid for him to do. I mean, any lawyer would advise against it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I mean, can. Can we. Can we talk about lawyers for a second?

[Mike]

Absolutely.

[Jimmy]

I mean, can we talk about ours?

[Mike]

Well, it depends.

[Jimmy]

Can. Can we. Can we.

[Mike]

I don't know.

[Jimmy]

I mean, is it. Is it a secret who our lawyer is?

[Mike]

No, not now.

[Jimmy]

Okay, so we got the same lawyer, Sean Ryan. So the. The same guy.

[Mike]

Yeah, that.

[Jimmy]

That responded to Dan Gallagher.

[Mike]

Sean Ryan's. Who's the. Who's the full Friday. Yeah. Andy Stump. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

And so it's like, specializes. Yeah, he's. He is. Like, this is gonna be a boon to him for sure. But it's. I mean, it's sort of interesting that, like, Sean had Or not Sean. Dan had to know, like, hey, dude, it's like Rob o' Neill took a shot.

[Mike]

Bang. Here's the thing. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Rob o' Neill failed at it. Dan's all over the news again. If Dan wanted to now play something that works, something to. Something good, positive, like, if his plan was to get eyes on him for his next act, it is. Well, it is all on him.

[Tyler]

Rob o' Neill picked up Robert is a idiot. A lot smaller target. I mean, Dan went after the guy.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like, there's no doubt about it. Guys got millions and millions of followers. Anything that it broke, you could. We could sue Shawn Ryan. We would be popular just for saying, like, he's that big, which we're not going to. But that's what he did. Like, he was not smart enough to do it like anybody else.

[Mike]

But the anti podcast, that might hurt my feeling.

[Jimmy]

Equateness to Osama bin Laden.

[Mike]

Yeah. A little. A little thing about Shawn Ryan, too. We're moving on to reflections. We're going to go to commercial break. We're going to hit sports with K9. We got a couple current events we got to touch upon. And then, boom, the whole point of the episode is talking about operations. Allies. Welcome. Operation Allies. Welcome. A lot of new intel came out on that. Want to make sure you guys are up to speed on that. But the Sean Ryan clip. Lewis, can you play that? This was.

[Tyler]

Oh no.

[Mike]

A lot of people think that, you know, podcasts are just innocent sources of information. They're actually going. They've been the most effective source communication, what for five years? Everybody knows the mainstream news is scripted. Podcast is where people get their news. Even if it's from like us, we still get credible sources. Even if people want to say they don't know what they're talking about, we give them the sources that we got it from. Sometimes sources are wrong, sometimes they're not. But we get our sources from people we give the news. Sometimes people just like getting information through entertainment from people they relate to. Yeah, that's where podcasts broadcast. They all come into play. That being said, the sources that be have realized this now. Those old like Piers Morgan and Bill O'Reilly are obsolete. No one cares about them anymore except for the 80 old women sitting there watching them because they cancel on Fox.

[Jimmy]

News waiting to die.

[Mike]

We pot this said we podcast broadcast. They are the new source of information. So of course dad, big government is going to get in on it.

[Jimmy]

Absolutely.

[Mike]

Roll this if you guys don't believe me.

[Jimmy]

Have you ever had a guest where.

[Blairam Scoro]

You thought, huh, this person might be.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Acting on behalf of an intel agency?

[Blairam Scoro]

Not a couple of them. I just did a really good interview with this guy, Blairam Scoro, who was an asset. He got recruited in prison by the CIA right after 911 to make friends with all the of the terrorists that were in there. And then when he got out of prison, agency gets back in touch with him and said, hey, you're going to use this network. Your cover is going to be you're building a Al Qaeda cell in Macedonia. And so he would set up shop in Macedonia and he would go into Pakistan and go into Afghanistan and Syria, Iraq, Iran, all these, Russia, all these places. He didn't meet specifically with Bin Laden, but he's like one step away. So dangerous job. No kidding, man. So then he has an assassination attempt, CIA cuts him. Then he started telling me about getting uranium out of Russia. I said, well, what are they going to do with these? And he said that they wanted to get him into the US and it would kill half a million people. But it didn't really fit in the interview. Like we're, we're talking about all these other things.

[Tyler]

I don't Trust this for a second.

[Blairam Scoro]

And then all of a sudden, we get to Russia. And so I just called him right there on the interview. I was like, you know what goes through my mind? When's the last time you had contact with CIA? Was exactly what I was just thinking.

[Tyler]

And he said, January 2022. Six or seven.

[Mike]

January.

[Blairam Scoro]

Like, knew the exact date and got really flustered. I said, you know what's goes through my head is what if somebody contacted you, knowing you were coming on the shell to say that you are getting uranium to Al Qaeda to sneak into our country to blow us up? A lot of people want to see us go to war with Russia.

[Tyler]

Russia, Sean, if it's like that, you saw the story, you see me. I. I don't hide what I can do.

[Blairam Scoro]

It was almost like I lost my opportunity to insert this into the interview. So now I gotta swing for the fence and just drop it. And it just immediately clicked in my brain. What if they got in contact with you to tell me that in this show?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Never.

[Jimmy]

To drive a narrative.

[K9]

Never.

[Tyler]

I never planned to come in your show.

[Blairam Scoro]

Well, there's a lot of higher ups want to say war. I wanted to say that out loud because if they're watching, and they probably are, then they know that I know that I'm a target.

[Mike]

So that being said, this, I. This is why I love conspiracies. Because you never know.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Mike. Yeah. Play it super simple for people. I'm a drug dealer. You're undercover. Are you a cop? What are you gonna do?

[Tyler]

You're gonna do everything again to say no? You're gonna make up excuses. You're gonna come up with a story.

[Mike]

Backstory, and then what might you do if you get some free time?

[Tyler]

You're gonna go tell.

[Mike]

Not on the spot. Not on the spot. But if you. If you walk out of there, you're.

[Tyler]

Like, you got to come up with a story.

[Mike]

Could you possibly say, would you divert it off yourself?

[Tyler]

Yeah, you're gonna bring somebody else in the group? Or, like, I think the other guy's a cop over there.

[Mike]

Like, that's what I'm saying about that. I'm. I've just. There's so many good arguments for Sean Ryan being a CIA. That's the first thing I would do right there, is go.

[Jimmy]

I mean, you know. You know, dude, there's.

[Tyler]

There's be like, you're a cop. You think I'm a cop? Well, you're a cop. That's. I've been in undercover deals like that. They're Sketchy.

[Jimmy]

There are times when. When I'm looking at the open source intel that's coming out and we're all starting to say the same things that I'm starting to wonder the.

[Mike]

With your head, huh?

[Jimmy]

It really does. And it's like, hey, man, this is four different sources. We're all getting the same info at the same time. And this one very tiny specific thing. And it's like, okay, is it just.

[Mike]

Because it was released?

[Jimmy]

I mean, that's possible. That's possible.

[Mike]

Like, if you. If you put out bird feed, all the birds come and eat it.

[Jimmy]

Like, yeah, the. The thing that you. And this is where, like, you have to be able to talk. Like, I don't have the opportunity right now to talk to some of the sources that, like the, the open source intel guys that collate all the information and put it out for me. Right? They put it out for everybody on the Internet. I take that and I go, okay, cool. This is. This is a data point. I don't have the opportunity to talk to them and go, hey, man, where did you get your info from? Do you have a source? What's your source? When did you get this info? Because I got some other info on this thing that's going on, and I can't do that right now. And I. Sometimes I wonder if maybe there's a concerted effort to keep us apart. Who. But, like, those of us that are talking about open source intelligence in the. In the YouTube sphere, is that going to be.

[Mike]

So we'll announce it here, hopefully get it out episode one tomorrow. Your new podcast.

[Jimmy]

That's right.

[Mike]

Shadowcast.

[Jimmy]

That's right.

[Mike]

Let's just. What's this? I love the slogan.

[Jimmy]

So Shadow cast. I have to write it down because I haven't got it memorized yet. I freaking pulled it all together and I sent it to you guys and.

[Mike]

I was like, siri, what's a good quote for my podcast?

[Jimmy]

So it's. It's. It. It wasn't that. It was like something I came up with off top of my head. So it's strategic highlights and developments, Overview weekly.

[Tyler]

That's a lot. You better write that.

[Jimmy]

You're gonna do that. It's a lot, man.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna do that one across.

[Jimmy]

But Shadowcast runs off the tongue a lot better. And it's, you know, it's nerd, too.

[Mike]

You're. You're gonna be able to dive way deeper into that stuff.

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah. My. My plan is to, like, look, man, this is.

[Mike]

If you notice, Jimmy goes about two and A half minutes. And we have to tell him to stop.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I mean, like, I can. I mean, like, if you look at the stuff on, like, just the stuff I did on the Bible, right? Like, hey, this is how the Jews are. I mean, like, it took me 30 minutes. And we just don't have. This show is not designed for that.

[Mike]

Me and Mike want Jew jokes by about 11 minutes.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, we can't take it anymore.

[Tyler]

So you're gonna have a show with original content.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, that's right.

[Tyler]

You're not going to just clip everybody else's stuff?

[Jimmy]

No, negative.

[Mike]

Wow. Will you do actual research? Oh, yeah. On things that matter in America 100%. Okay.

[Tyler]

You're not just gonna go around and clip everybody else's videos?

[Mike]

Said this and this.

[Jimmy]

No, no, no, no. This is gonna be.

[Mike]

Although I just did that.

[Jimmy]

But I'll tell you, man, like the. The one that we're doing today, today we're talking about Operation Allies.

[Tyler]

Welcome.

[K9]

Right.

[Jimmy]

Like, I went down that road for a week and a half, and it was. It was really, really hard as a guy who had been there and knew those people. And these are some of. These are my personal friends that I've known since I was a kid, and, like, listen to the stories and listen to them tell me about it and just go, holy, dude. But for the grace of God, there go I. And then just the emotional turmoil of pulling this all together and going, like, if I was. If I didn't know this and I had a military background, I would want to know no matter how hard it's going to be. And it's gonna be hard. You thought it was a show, guys. It's way worse than you ever thought it could be.

[Mike]

Really? I know. I know really nothing about it other than what's kind of general knowledge out there. So I'm excited to hit that with you about 12:30 today. It's going to be a longer show. Hopefully everybody bought their juice box, their snacky snacks, and their cookies and melt, so. And again, I appreciate everybody watching, supporting us live, having a good time with us. Let us know what we can do better. And you guys are amazing. So before we go on commercial break, Rob Reiner was murdered in his apartment. Now, we're not just going to give you or his house. We're not just going to give you basic TMZ news without some kind of other spin on it. So Rob Reiner and his wife. Rob Reiner was an actor director from, like, what, the 60s?

[Tyler]

He was on Archie Bunker.

[Mike]

Yeah, he was.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Way back yeah, back when the back. We could say the N word. You can say it on broadcast, national tv.

[Mike]

Yeah. Rob Reiner, very prominent actor director, you know, old with his. Him and his wife were murdered in their house. Their kid is the suspect.

[Jimmy]

Donald Trump weighs in.

[Mike]

Oh, boy. President Donald Trump has made clear his feelings in the tragic death of actor director Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle, who were found in their Brentwood mansion Sunday with wounds that were reportedly consistent with a knife.

[Tyler]

Dude, they say it wounds that were allegedly consistent with like, oh, it's a knife.

[Mike]

Like he was stabbed to death. Yeah, that's a pretty brutal way to go. I mean, you could survive like 27 stabbing, still be conscious and live to be stabbed to death. That's a lot of that. I've been to a stabbing scene and they were like, this guy was stabbed like 52 times.

[Tyler]

The problem with the stabbing and there's blood dying, you know, you're dying the whole time.

[Jimmy]

All right, so, so, so we're gonna clip.

[Tyler]

Are we gonna clip that? You mocking Rob Reiner getting stabbed to.

[Jimmy]

Death already mocked him.

[Mike]

Trump called it a very sad thing that the pair had lost their lives of possible homicide. He further then detailed what he considered to be Rob Reiner's all consuming Trump derangement syndrome in his post on the Truth Social Network. Rob Reiner was a frequent critic of Trump and forewarned of the impact he would have on the country not only regarding his second term in the White House, but also his first. As Newsweek notes. In 2017, Reiner said he thought Trump was mentally unfit to be president in an interview with Variety and said he was the single most unqualified human being to ever assume presidency of the United States. One year later, he called Trump a mentally ill sociopath. The longtime Democratic activist also blamed Trump for the 2022 attack on the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi, claiming it was directly tied to Trump Challenge Grind.

[Tyler]

That was a Grinder hit.

[Mike]

And the police are currently investigating the death. Blah, blah, blah. I love. We're talking about pettiness. Like, Heather did an entire episode. She's doing a series on her podcast about 50 cents pettiness with Diddy.

[Tyler]

So good.

[Mike]

I love Trump's pettiness with my kids.

[Jimmy]

Kids.

[Tyler]

You can't let it go, dude.

[Jimmy]

Oh, it's sad.

[Tyler]

But I blame his dreams. Yeah. Two guys you don't want to get on like 50 Cent.

[Mike]

And they're probably friends. They are.

[Tyler]

He's 100 pro Trump.

[Mike]

I love it, dude.

[Jimmy]

I mean, they're both from New York.

[Tyler]

When Madani won 50 cent put posted a picture of his New York hat in the trash. He's like, my city's gone. Like, we're done. He's a super pro Trump guy.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I mean, I would. I mean, fitty fitty. All the rappers are.

[Tyler]

All your main big rappers are.

[Jimmy]

All the criminals are. It's wild. All of them, except for the.

[Tyler]

You got 50, you got waka. Flock of Flame was a pro Trump. Like, who's that skinny dude?

[Mike]

Well, he saved one guy, little pump.

[Tyler]

Yeah, he's.

[Mike]

He got one guy brought back.

[Jimmy]

Who was that?

[Tyler]

You know why they're pro Trump? Because they make a lot of money, they don't want to pay a lot of taxes and they're not stupid. Yeah, they're not stupid.

[Mike]

Well, one guy, what waka flocka was, he brought him back to the country. Wasn't he detained somewhere?

[Jimmy]

Somebody.

[Tyler]

I don't know if it's him. Somebody was out of the country in trouble. Yeah, he helped get what, the basketball Rocky. Yeah, but he's.

[Mike]

Somebody said Rob Reiner was allegedly transitioning.

[Tyler]

Probably.

[Jimmy]

Who?

[Tyler]

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Jimmy]

It's. It's demonic over there in Hollywood.

[Tyler]

Odb. Yeah, odb.

[Mike]

Rip Major leftist also.

[Jimmy]

Wow.

[Mike]

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[Jimmy]

All right, let me know when we're here, okay? Yeah, I gotta get a warning at some point. I can't see everybody just looking at me and I'm like, when you're gonna tell me when I'm on. All right. Hey, we're welcome back, everybody. So this second hour is brought to you by Flatline Fiber Company. Since the founding in 2019, Flatline Fiber Company has strived to create the highest gear quality with real world functionality. Trust. Trusted by SWAT teams, high level military units, police agencies and civilian shooters across the globe. They make great gear that you can trust. Made in America with a lifetime warranty, they have everything you need from rifle slings, ifax dump pouches because God knows you're going to do a lot of reloads out there. Baseline bags, lightweight, handy bags that offer great stability for rifles. Go to flatlinefiberco.com and put in the promo code ANTIHERO15 and say 15 on your stuff. Let them know we sent you. Okay. Mike, wake up now.

[Mike]

He said there was a long pause last time. There wasn't. He went. There was like a one second pause. Oh, that's sabotage.

[Tyler]

I got it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, there we go.

[Tyler]

This is what.

[Jimmy]

What did you push?

[Mike]

Did you just react and push a button and then realize.

[Tyler]

How did you. Yeah, how do we get. Yeah, how do we get off? That's what I want to know. How did something change?

[K9]

Oh, no, no.

[Tyler]

We went to the bathroom.

[Mike]

I watched Lewis. Lewis put the mic on you. Put the camera on you. Sorry.

[Jimmy]

Right.

[Mike]

I watched him turn to his right, press the button.

[Tyler]

He turned the whole system on and.

[Mike]

Off and then went. But how to turn it back on? And then went and figured out you. Was that just a reaction?

[Tyler]

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[Mike]

Yeah, guys, we use AI. Everybody uses AI for everything. Why not use it for something that is going to be very important.

[Tyler]

Did you put the 96 one up or did you Let me read it.

[Mike]

Provisions, Lewis, I think. Did you keep violent provisions?

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You Want to put 96 up real quick?

[Mike]

Put 96 up.

[Jimmy]

Okay.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

How did I transition to it and how did it.

[Mike]

Lewis is still on the whole turning in the system on and off thing.

[Tyler]

There's the 96 app that I just read for 27 minutes.

[Mike]

Well, I will say that. Wait, wait.

[Tyler]

Good.

[Mike]

Don't wait for your agency. No, put it back up. Put it on me now. There you go. Don't wait for your agency to tell you you're allowed to use AI because that's when everybody will go, okay, Axon's telling you to use AI. Your agency will allow you to use AI. This program is made by cops for cops to make the traffic citation process and court process easier. You don't have. It's not a software you have to have approved. You're not going to get in trouble for using it. It's literally the same as pulling your phone out and going, write this text for me. It's the same thing. It's coming from you. It's assistance with this app that knows exactly what you need to write your citations and what you're going to need in court afterwards.

[Tyler]

So go to where 96 app.

[Mike]

96. I don't have my glasses on.

[Tyler]

You can try for free at 96 up and make sure you.

[Jimmy]

I wanted. I wanted to analyze what happened in Terminator 2 Judgment Day.

[Mike]

We still haven't done that. Have you.

[Tyler]

You can take it down. Somebody you need? Okay, you need a taser wire connected to Lewis. He starts to malfunction. Like he just had like a two minute. We need a hard go. Lewis, he like flawless. And then just we put him on break for 10 minute and a half.

[Mike]

Everything came shut down.

[Tyler]

Everything went down.

[Mike]

All right, so we got can. Hey, can you email the link Lewis to K9? I think it's Alex. Something is his email. You got it.

[Jimmy]

Why thank you.

[Mike]

We'll cover some other things. We covered. Let's hit on Brown, you know. Or do you want to cover Australia and Brown University at the same time?

[Tyler]

Let's go and watch. Lewis is different done. Because we're gonna need some pictures and video up. So we'll go to the Australia first.

[Mike]

Yeah, well, yeah, we got video of.

[Tyler]

That that's not it. That's not it. You just send it to Catherine the ninja or something. Yeah. Alex.

[Mike]

Oh, you did that last time, Louis, you know, right? You sent it.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

Kenny goes, I just got some random email from you. So Kenny, disregard the email. Alex K. Now, I said send it to a guy named Alex. And you just press K and send it to Kenny.

[Tyler]

Just. Just like that. Just like that.

[Mike]

Okay, there we go. System malfunction.

[Jimmy]

Malfunction.

[Mike]

All right, all right. There's a video.

[Tyler]

We'll.

[Mike]

We'll hit on Australia first. So go to the video that I dropped about Australia. It's. Everybody's seen it.

[Tyler]

That's Brown University. Don't post that one.

[Mike]

No.

[Tyler]

Yep. Get rid of that video.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Tyler]

That's not the one.

[Mike]

I can't see.

[Tyler]

That's not the one either. That's the one that Tyler. You remove that one and then go to. Not that one.

[Mike]

There's one.

[Tyler]

Tyler sent video. That's mine as well. You can get that one ready. But there's a video that Tyler said I can't see.

[Mike]

Can you help him?

[Tyler]

Was it a shoot?

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Yeah, okay. That's the one.

[Jimmy]

Go ahead.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Mike]

Really? What happened, guys?

[Jimmy]

Pause it.

[Mike]

What the are we doing right there?

[Jimmy]

I'm killing.

[Mike]

That is.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah. He's dead.

[Mike]

He's dead. He's dead. You have every reason and every right to. To murk him dead. I don't care.

[Jimmy]

Secondary weapon. Suicide.

[Tyler]

There's one plus one.

[Mike]

It's a act of terrorist attack. No one's go. It's not a robbery with some homeless guy that needs to eat. And that. You're gonna face criticism. I think everybody'd have your back if you put one in that guy's face.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I mean, one. Go ahead and.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you put the whole rest of them.

[Jimmy]

And you could. You could blast his head apart and that.

[Mike]

And that's what's wrong.

[Jimmy]

So they have to bury him at sea.

[Tyler]

I'm tell you why he didn't know. But go ahead. You can finish watching it. Who going to the j.

[Mike]

Bring it down.

[Tyler]

Bring it down.

[Mike]

Make it er.

[Tyler]

Let's go.

[K9]

Rocks.

[Tyler]

Rocks.

[Mike]

This is not America, obviously. Clearly, but. But not saying Americans would have done much better. But the guy takes the weapon, doesn't kill him, lays it against the tree because weapons are scary. And then they proceed to throw rocks at the guy. What the are we trying to do here? Are we trying to just scare him a little bit? Punish him with some rocks?

[Jimmy]

I mean, you put down the most.

[Mike]

Effective weapon and you Pick up rocks.

[Jimmy]

I. I think that had that happened in Florida or. Or Texas, that guy would have been ventilated by like five different people. Yeah, I mean, like. I mean, it wouldn't have needed.

[Mike]

First of all, you could get rid of that. All it does is show the second shooter up on the bridge.

[Jimmy]

You wouldn't need to. To be going. Like, we need to go up to this guy unarmed and take his gun. There's so many people carrying. Yeah, like. And number two. And Mike's gonna talk about this like the cops. There are cops right now that are just licking their lips, ready to blow your. Let's go somewhere else.

[Tyler]

The picture. And look at the cops in Australia.

[Mike]

Looking to lick their.

[Jimmy]

They are. They're like. It's. This is. You know, it's like.

[Mike]

I couldn't feel. You guys all missed the joke I was making.

[Jimmy]

I. I heard it.

[Tyler]

I just. One of the comments. He didn't want to get shot by the first responders. That's not going to happen. Go ahead and put this picture up. Here are your first responders. They're standing with their hands up.

[Mike]

What do they have guns?

[Tyler]

Yes, they do have guns.

[Mike]

What the.

[Tyler]

There's one hiding behind a car on the right and the left is two females that have their hands up and they're not engaging the suspect. Why hands up? Don't shoot. Because it's Australia. Because it's Australia and just like it. What's happening in America, we are. The narrative has already been pushed that guns are bad. So nobody wants to around with a gun, including the police, because they're not ready for this. They believe because we said guns are illegal, that guns are never going to be introduced into a. A situation. Well, here where guns are introduced, the cops are not mentally prepared. Just like pursuits that Jimmy talks about, these cops are not prepared to shoot, prepared to shoot anybody. And it's happening here with the same problem.

[Mike]

You can't even. You, Mike, can't even drive the importance of this home hard enough. If people want to live like sheep, them. It's not on me. If someone starts shooting up the Chipotle, I'm ordering in. I gonna make sure I get my bowl. I'm out. Y' all want to sit here and elect people and make a culture where cops put their hands up and you're not out in the streets overthrowing the.

[K9]

I don't know.

[Mike]

I've never thought this before. That should. They should not have a precinct.

[Jimmy]

He should already have been in the harbor.

[Mike]

All of Australian precincts should be burned down for this.

[Tyler]

Well, play the video. This is this morning. Go ahead and play that video. That is the Australian people saying send them home. Get rid of these people that don't belong here.

[K9]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Mike]

Who are they talking about?

[Tyler]

All of them. Immigrants, Muslims, people that they've just allowed to come into their country. Because like your wife just said, they. They were locking people up for Covid. They're locking people up for having guns. They allowed Muslims to come in unchecked. They allowed all these people. We feel good, we feel great. Now they're shooting people up with guns. The people are sick of it. And who they're, you know, they're probably gonna arrest people they can identify a video for protesting the government over there. That's how bad it is. And that is what you can expect to be coming to our country. It's what's starting here. Get rid of the guns. Make the guns such a bad thing. And now you can start having these pop shot shootings everywhere. Yeah, they happen in America. But you go to like he. Jimmy said, you go to Florida with that. Somebody's got a gun at that. And within five feet of that, that situation, somebody has a gun there. Nobody has a gun. They've made it so impossible to have a gun. And I have plenty of followers from Australia that I talk to on Cobville. It is absolutely chaos over there. There is no. The cops can do nothing.

[Mike]

Well, I mean, should those cops should be charged.

[Tyler]

They won't.

[Jimmy]

There's no duty to, to, for them to, to have. Go have a gunfight with somebody. They don't have that.

[Mike]

Forget that happens here.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it does.

[Tyler]

So here, here I'm going to show you. You guys are. Imagine, imagine if we stayed true. You know, back in like even the 80s, you know, kids could bring guns to school and they had like a shooting team and they, like the kids drove into with their rifles.

[Jimmy]

We had freaking guys had shotgun racks in the back of their truck. At high school, all you did was go tell the sro, hey man, I got, I went, you know, duck hunting.

[Mike]

Got my chopper in the car.

[Tyler]

People brought rifles to school because they didn't shoot people up. They were kids that were learning to shoot marksmen and competition. But we've seen it time and time again where our country has been pussified so much that guns are the problem. It's not the people, it's not cultures. It's not people from other countries that.

[Mike]

Have.

[Tyler]

Cannibalistic, barbarian mindsets. It's the gun is the problem. Here's the video from Brown University shooting.

[Mike]

I didn't even know that.

[Tyler]

We've taught our kids and our humans to do this. Hi. We just hide. We hide and hope they don't commit. We hide.

[Mike]

Is it shooting that happened today?

[Tyler]

That was yesterday. The day before. But that is United States of America by the police.

[Mike]

Thank God.

[Tyler]

I think they were engaging.

[Mike]

They were engaging.

[Tyler]

But this is what we have to say.

[Mike]

Okay. All right.

[Jimmy]

Breathe.

[Tyler]

Anybody heard this isn't like. And took all that. It's good.

[Mike]

You're good.

[Tyler]

You can remove it. So this is an actual attack unit that's made it to the school to engage. We have taught our kids and we have. You know, there was rules back in the day. Teachers would be armed. They were trying to get teachers to be armed.

[Mike]

Remember?

[Tyler]

Teachers should be armed. We should have armed people in the school because armed, legal, gun toting people do not kill people. And they do not conduct mass shootings. Criminals do.

[Jimmy]

And. And criminals do more often than not. You're gonna get. You're not gonna.

[K9]

The.

[Jimmy]

The SWAT team's gonna be there to clean up the box.

[Tyler]

One hour. One hour on a great day. You're gonna have a SWAT team assembled to go in and clean.

[Jimmy]

Just said that they were breaching the door.

[Tyler]

Okay. It wasn't gunshots.

[Jimmy]

Okay.

[Mike]

Oh, okay.

[K9]

But.

[Tyler]

But we have t. And I get locked down. Hide. I get it. We should protect as many people as we can. Somebody.

[Mike]

I love how they don't announce to the police before they breach door. They probably just gave 27 people the most PTSD of their life.

[Tyler]

But somebody has to step up in our society, and we. We can't continue to back down.

[Jimmy]

It's even worse than that. So we got a. We got an alert me and my wife did that said that the active shooter alarm had gone off at our two kids high school. Right. And then we got an email from the principal saying, oh, no, no, no. It just went off by accident. It's not real. Blah, blah, blah. Two weeks later, we find out. No, it actually was. Somebody actually hit it on purpose because there was a guy with a gun around the corner from the school. And they lied to us. They lied to us.

[Tyler]

No, they.

[Jimmy]

She knew.

[Mike]

How'd you find out about the guy with a gun?

[Jimmy]

Because they. I. I have contacts too. Some of them like Copville.

[Tyler]

But think about, like, we talk about Axon and technology and money. You know, we've spent millions and millions. That's my Trump voice of dollars. To have, like, gun technology to detect guns in school.

[K9]

The.

[Tyler]

The program we Use at our school. I accidentally pulled my rifle out going up to the. They call it the Hawk's nest or whatever. I should sit at the top of the stadium. My rifle.

[Mike]

The school that lost the state championship?

[Tyler]

No, it was Sebastian. But you go up to the top and you usually have a guy up there with a rifle, but, you know, you pull it out too soon. This software sees it. Everybody on earth gets a notification.

[Mike]

So, great.

[Tyler]

Great to have software. Great to be able to detect guns early, but who's gonna stop it? By the time you see the gun out and the notifications go out, 30 kids are dead. The only thing that's going to stop a gunfight is a gun.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

No technology is going to stop it. No earlier awareness is going to stop it. It's going to be a gun that stops a gunfight.

[Jimmy]

I. I was on the school hardening project for Hillsborough County.

[Mike]

The hell does that mean that.

[Jimmy]

It was. It was federal grant money that came in to Hillsborough county to harden all of the schools after Marjory Stoneman Douglas.

[Mike]

Like, Scared Straight hardened?

[Jimmy]

No, like, harden the security.

[Mike]

Oh, school physical.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So we did. We were doing mag locks and access control and cameras and all of this stuff, and I. I had more than one conversation with a principal, and they're.

[Mike]

Like, did they get creeped out when you're like, if I was going to shoot up the school, this is how I would do it?

[Jimmy]

I. I actually did say, like, hey, look, here's your dead space. That's why I was there. Like, here's your dead space. This. That's what I'm saying.

[Mike]

It's got to be a weird.

[Jimmy]

And they're like, you know, wow, we never even thought about that. I was like, well, yeah, I got paid. I get paid to do this, you know? Like, this is what I think about all the time.

[Mike]

Like, thanks. Can you go clean the bathroom now, Jimmy? Yeah, exactly.

[Jimmy]

That's mine. Just kidding, man.

[Mike]

I'm sorry. You said I get paid to do this.

[Jimmy]

I don't understand what that means.

[Mike]

Like, you're a janitor.

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah, but I. I get that part. But I'm. I'm over here.

[Tyler]

Jimmy's over here being serious.

[Jimmy]

I'm sorry. Sorry.

[Tyler]

I took a dig at Mike two seconds ago.

[Jimmy]

I'm not worried about dig. I'm just feeling really stupid. Like, how did I not get this joke? I'm over here. Like.

[Mike]

Anyway, so you were helping them.

[Jimmy]

Hard in their physical. So we're doing the physical security stuff. And I had more than one conversation with school administrators. And principals. And they're like, well, this is going to really help. And I said, no, don't kid yourself. All you're going to have is high definition camera and video of the, the master. That's exactly what I said.

[Mike]

And you wanted in 4k off. I need to ask that question too.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, and we had software in there that could detect a gun, detect the sound of gunfire.

[Mike]

Swivel cameras, they make these things now that are like literal pieces of hard plastic that can, you can put on doors. Like they, they're just not able to be opened with these things. Like they make all these things now you could equip your entire school and every single door with it, or you.

[Jimmy]

Could just kill them.

[Tyler]

Still need a gun? Yeah, still need a gun. But we're.

[Mike]

Look at us, we're falling back.

[Tyler]

But here, here's, here's the other problem we just got. We talk about cops. Cops not training cops who inherently goes to sro.

[Mike]

The fat, lazy cops that don't want to do police.

[Tyler]

Oh, but they're in charge of the most critical incident that's ever going to occur in the history.

[Mike]

The most little, little, little targets running around the most. They're, they're in charge of protecting like pure innocence, like biblical innocence.

[Tyler]

Make school resource great again.

[Jimmy]

I, I'll tell you what SWAT guys in schools make.

[Tyler]

Incentivize it, Incentivize it to somebody that you're going to be paid more money and you're going harder. You're going to be able to run through that school and you're gonna, we're gonna test you to make sure you can run across that school in 30 seconds, not go and can't move.

[Jimmy]

We, we had an idea. We pitched this to Hillsborough county and they got shot the down. Which is like, hey, why don't you just have pick a school and put your QRF there, Six officers, okay, SWAT guys, whatever, during the school day so that if something happens, you guys can quickly move from point A to point B. Well, we don't have the money for that. Those are guys just sitting around doing nothing. Yeah, well, guess what? A QRF is a good thing to have if something bad.

[Tyler]

I walked in the work SRO overtime at a school and the first thing I noticed on the, I walked in the SRO's office. They give you his keys where his rifle plates for his vest were sitting on top of the thing because he didn't want to wear them because they're too heavy. So ceramic rifle plates that we all wear we're on top of the locker. He's locking dust. I'm not wearing those. Like, that's the mindset of most school resources. We had another guy get caught sleeping. They posted him on social media. Then he got caught with his vest on the desk and his gun belt. His vest with all his equipment and his taser sitting on a table. I don't know what he was doing, but he wasn't there. But the person who reported it got.

[Jimmy]

Fired by the school board, by the way.

[Tyler]

The security guard.

[Mike]

Remember you telling me about that?

[Tyler]

Yeah. The security guard that reported it got fired for reporting the flaws.

[Mike]

That's crazy.

[Jimmy]

The. The SRO over at Seminole High School in Pinellas County. He's a great guy.

[Tyler]

There are great SROs, and this isn't a knock on all of them, but what happens with DEI, 30 by 30 is people get into the job, and they realize, damn, I gotta go to, like, the hood and go to shootings. I gotta go, like, do some reports. It's really. Oh, I can go sit in a school all day around kids, and I'll make a difference. Yep, you can make a difference in the kid's life. The best difference you're gonna make is put two in the skull of a school shooter when they walk in.

[Jimmy]

That's how you wear your plates.

[Mike]

So you can stay alive in the fight.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

And you can put it to them. We got to move on.

[Jimmy]

Let's go to.

[Mike]

We got sports with canine. But first, the high school state championship in Florida that we talked about. The cool part about this is that it was Lake Mary, where we are right now. My son plays for their Pop Warner pipeline versus Vero beach, where Mike is. That's the craziest thing. Well, guess when I found out this game.

[Tyler]

He's such a fan that I told him as a game was happening, so let's not forget that. Bring canine in for that. You can bring canine in. Bring canine.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[K9]

What's up, og?

[Jimmy]

Where's the Jesus hat?

[K9]

Jesus hat? You want it?

[Mike]

Yeah, man.

[Jimmy]

Dude, this hat is so. Like, this thing is so awesome. Like, I want this hat.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, I called Tyler to let him know that, and I. I let him know that Blake Mary was playing Vero when vera was up 213 in the game at one point.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Tyler]

We will watch. So do you want to.

[Mike]

Can I.

[Tyler]

Why don't you give us a rundown of how that, leading up to the final play, explain how moronic the last minute and a half of that game was from.

[Mike]

Can I. Do you want Us to play the video first or do you want to talk about it and let us play the video?

[Tyler]

Well, the video. Roll the ending of the.

[K9]

Guys, give me passionate. Roll it.

[Mike]

There's two. There's two videos. It should be football one and football two or whatever, but there's two, so play both.

[Tyler]

Good. This is the end of the game.

[Jimmy]

Forced to step up. He's got room to let it go.

[Tyler]

He's got players in the end zone hoisting it. The ball tipped, caught by Schultz. And he is fighting to get in.

[Jimmy]

And he's caught.

[Tyler]

Touchdown. Touchdown. Unbelievable.

[Mike]

Was the second in the other angle.

[Tyler]

Is this the true angle?

[Mike]

Time left in the game. Oh, hey, That is the great. That is one of the crazier things I've ever seen in football. And it happened to be my hometown in the state championship.

[Tyler]

And it went. It made it all. It was on actual Sports center because of the meltdown. And then the ending. Like, I'll let him.

[Mike]

No time left. One by one point. Yes. That is insane.

[Tyler]

And they were losing by eight with about 4:30 seconds or so left in the game. Dude, Vera was by eight with 30 seconds left in the game.

[Jimmy]

Can we just talk about how fly freaking K9 looks right now?

[Mike]

He does look good.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[K9]

Thanks, man. I just got a haircut, got some new Versace shades. A little Christmas present to myself. Happy birthday, Jesus. I love you. Yeah, I feel great, man. I don't think I could feel any better right now other than watching my hometown, where I currently live, have probably the biggest choke job in high school football history. Word on the street is Lake Mary is now going to go by Hail Mary. So you might. Lake Mary, Hail Mary. That's. That's the word on the street.

[Mike]

Look, what a good football team.

[K9]

Everybody in this town is going at Coach Jay's throat. And it's honestly for a good reason. We broke this down yesterday at 11:45am like we do every Sunday. Locks with Cotville and K9. Little plug there. Look, they had the ball. There was like 40 seconds left. They're up by eight. You know, traditional formation. What they should do is get in the eye formation and kneel the ball and drop to a knee like you're saying a prayer. Unfortunately, Coach Jay did not want to do that. He wanted to kneel the ball in shotgun, which was very ironic and weird. I know these guys are used to running a shotgun formation, but in a situation like this, you just have to do it out the eye now. So he was kneeling the ball in the shotgun formation. So as opposed to losing a yard or two. They were losing like seven, eight yards of play while they're doing this. So once again, this is very stupid to do the other stupid thing which was what caused the ending of this on the last play that he was going to kneel, it had the quarterback run into the end zone, run around a little bit and take a knee, which resulted in a safety. So once again, another stupid thing that really did not make any sense. And what you're doing is when you get a safety for people that don't watch football, you have to punt the ball to the other team. Now there was a couple minutes left on the clock, or not a couple minutes, a couple seconds left on the clock. Maybe there's, maybe there's a reason why. But when there's 20 something seconds left, just stupid. Which resulted in now Hail Mary, also known as Lake Mary, gets the ball back, they throw the hail Mary. Now some people are saying there was forward progress, but on a, you know, on a state championship game like that, with seconds running out of the clock, they're not going to call that on that.

[Mike]

There's too much going on.

[Tyler]

Yes, the refs are much in shock as anybody else.

[Jimmy]

I mean, honestly, what do we do?

[Mike]

And we're, we're critiquing a high school football coach that's probably a physics teacher on the side.

[Tyler]

No, he's like a, our program's paid. He's like, oh, so they're paid?

[Mike]

Yeah. Oh, so high schools are.

[Tyler]

No, he's just, he's just a coach. He's like paid.

[Mike]

Well, they need to pay him more.

[Tyler]

Boosters. Well, he, he's taking a lot of heat, but he, I mean, there's no way around. He blew the game. There's no, I don't care what you say. If it, if, and again we said this yesterday, if that Hail Mary gets knocked down, we're not even this, I'm not even talking. I probably don't bring it up to you to mess with you. Like, it's over. It is what it is. But the fact that it ended so bad and you gave the game away, you let the other team. The worst case scenario, like canine saying is if you start kneeling the ball and you fumble, right, or you run the ball just regular. The worst thing that can happen is a tie game and that requires a touchdown and a two point conversion and you're going overtime. You never let the other team have an opportunity to win a game like that.

[K9]

Right?

[Mike]

I mean, run the ball, run out.

[Jimmy]

The clock, the running back had 240.

[Tyler]

Yards rushing during the game.

[K9]

The running back for Vero had a historic game. One of the best games by a tailback in high school history. You know, you hand them, you hand him the ball.

[Jimmy]

He.

[K9]

He was hot. If something happens a. It happens. Like Mike said, if they do get the ball back, they can score, go for two, then it goes to overtime. One of the other things I emphasized though, with Mike yesterday too, was momentum swing. So when you give Hail Mary, Lake Mary, the momentum of a safety. These kids are 16, 17, 18 years old, okay? These, some of these kids have never even tasted poutang, okay? So they don't really. They're. They're not developed yet. You know, they're young kids and momentum is huge. In high school football, if we're talking NFL, momentum's not really as big of a thing. You know, these guys are stone cold. Stone cold killers. By the time they get to the NFL when they're in high school, these kids are. Most of these kids are virgins. They don't. They don't know about life yet. So when you give a team momentum like that, that's big. Even though it's just a safety, you know, Lake Mary's like, hey, we. We just got a safety. We have a chance to go throw a Hail Mary. And you're giving all these guys momentum.

[Tyler]

And I think of the mental anguish that causes the Vera beach kids because Lake Mary was losing and they're going to lose and they're going to have to go, hey, we lost. No, but let's listen. Listen, we're losing the game. They were down 21 3. They were losing the whole game. So you go out and go, we didn't perform right. The kids look at each other. The Vero kids now performed all game and they were in position to win. It was taken from them by a coach. When those kids walk back on the bus, they can't go. We can just blame ourselves because we didn't play well. They played very well. And boneheaded coaching decisions leads to that. And again, undeveloped 16, 7 year old kid goes, man, I get back on this bus. I did everything right. And this moron, like lost us a game. I think that's. That just hits different than if I went out and to bed. I fumbled, Mike. They do, but the coach shouldn't be the reason that they lose. And the coach was the reason they lost.

[Jimmy]

I mean, I would rather have the coach be the reason than refs.

[Tyler]

The refs is bad. But man, the coach was just.

[Mike]

Or how about that? Hail Mary, baby.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it was tough, man. That is.

[Mike]

That.

[Jimmy]

That's a heartbreaker. But you know what? None of those kids are going to forget. Forget that. Everybody learned a lesson from that. Game ain't over till it's over.

[Mike]

Yeah, like Mary's. What's up? So what happened on Sunday? How'd your locks go?

[Tyler]

I actually hit probably one of the biggest ones of the year with a parlay I had.

[Mike]

Yeah, you did.

[Tyler]

I said that the Chargers were going to go into Kansas City and win. Everybody told me I was crazy. And I said that the Vikings were going to Dallas Sunday night and win.

[Mike]

Five fifty.

[Tyler]

Paid 505 if you bet it. The Chargers won. Eliminated the Chiefs from the playoffs for the first time in 11 years. And the Vikings went in. How about them Cowboys? And went in and beat the Cowboys in Jerry Land. Just like I said. Just like I said.

[Jimmy]

And Old Man Rivers.

[Tyler]

Old Man Rivers lost. But he had a good.

[Jimmy]

He had a great game.

[Tyler]

But I said it. I was hot yesterday.

[K9]

Yeah, Mike is hot, man. You better. You better put some coolers around that dude. Cool him off, man. He is hot. I. I can't. I can't argue with it. He was right. Didn't have the greatest Sunday myself, but, you know, at least one of us did. On the podcast.

[Tyler]

The Bears won. Who you got tonight? Real quick, before I know you're gonna break it down Heavy on tonight on counterculture sports with K9 and Sipo. 7pm on counterculture. Tell us a little bit about tonight's game.

[K9]

So you have the Dolphins. Fins up, baby. They're red hot. They keep winning. They're trying to save their jobs. They're going into Pittsburgh tonight to play the Steelers. The Dolphins are getting three points tonight. You know, the Dolphins are hot. Pittsburgh hasn't been the greatest team. They won last week on a controversial call against the Ravens. So tonight should be a good game.

[Mike]

That's a. You're talking like me, dog. I'm back up. Words on the fly.

[Tyler]

Hey, no, I don't. I didn't.

[K9]

Never said. I got a high school education, man. So you never required that when I signed you graduated?

[Jimmy]

I did.

[Tyler]

I got a ged.

[K9]

I got it over the summer. You know, I pulled some strings.

[Mike]

Did they let you do it in juvie?

[K9]

Yeah, actually, when I was in juvie. They made you go to school? You didn't technically have to do anything, but they did make you go to class? Yeah, they did. They. They made you go to class. You couldn't just sit in your cell they would have to throw you in ISO with your clothes off. So it was one or the other, I guess. Cool.

[Mike]

Sounds a little bit better than that.

[K9]

They took your mat too. So if they didn't take the mat, I would have been down with it. But they took your mat too. So you're just there butt naked.

[Mike]

They threw juveniles in ISO with your clothes off. That sounds.

[Jimmy]

That's what I'm saying. I've been like, what, are they spraying you with water hoses too? And touch your belly?

[Tyler]

Listen, they made a movie about that, didn't they?

[K9]

The juvenile jail in Fort Pierce was one of the wildest experiences of my life. I have so many stories, but one quick one is I'm sitting there in my cell with my cell mate and it's. It's night. It's probably like nine, ten o' clock at night. And me and him feel like we start tripping. We're like, dude, we smell weed. Like, there. There is 100. A smell of. We were like, dude, we're losing it.

[Mike]

You're like, that much, or do I actually.

[K9]

Yeah, exactly. And honestly, it was common to see, like, we've seen a lot of kids lose their minds, start talking to people, you know, story for another day. And we're like, dude, no, we smell weed. So we start looking around. We're looking in the lights, we're looking down. We look under our cell door, and there's like a space this big. And I. I swear on everything on the hat, there was a nug about this big that a CO dropped right in front of our door. So we took a bunch of paper.

[Mike]

For you, or accidentally?

[K9]

I think it was accidentally. I'm honestly not sure. But we bring it back into ourselves. So then we're good. Yeah, God is good. So then we're like. We're like, how are we gonna smoke this? So we're trying to roll it in paper. We're trying to light it with the light. We couldn't find a way to light it, so we just. We split it in half right down the middle. We were honest about it, you know, 50, 50. And we ate it and we drank some water to wash it down because it, you know, it was getting stuck in your mouth. It was so dry. Best sleep I ever had in juvie. Next morning, we wake up, we see the CEO and we're like, hey, you dropped something last night. And he just looked at us like, damn. We're like, yeah, we found it.

[Mike]

All right, K9, thanks for joining us. Join K9 tonight. Counterculture Inc. Sports on the Counterculture, Inc. YouTube. 7:00 Eastern Standard Time. We'll see you then, man. Appreciate it. Or the topic of the evening or the morning. I forget.

[Tyler]

We po. Afternoon.

[Mike]

Afternoon. There we go. All right, the thumbnail states that we will talk about Operation Allies Will welcome. Ally is welcome. We're gonna hand pretty much the rest of the podcast over to Jimmy with us interrupting with questions.

[Tyler]

So.

[Mike]

And then Jimmy's obviously going to cover this more extensively on his show.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So just for those of us who don't know what. Yeah. So just. Just a quick background. Operation Allies welcome is the. Basically the end of the war or it's. It's the end of the war in Afghanistan and goes into what happens after it. So it pretty much starts when we started pulling out. Yeah, I know.

[Mike]

It's what.

[Tyler]

That's pulling out.

[Mike]

I'm.

[Tyler]

I have to concentrate. I know you're pulling out and you.

[Jimmy]

Already lost M. That didn't take long. So once. I mean, I'm going to give you the timeline here. So in April, President Bite. Now, Trump in 2020 basically said, yeah, we're going to leave Afghanistan. It made an agreement in Qatar called the Doha Agreement in April.

[Mike]

Qatar is also Qatar, right?

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Okay. Either or. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So once that happened, President Biden gets elected, it's, you know, time to tell everybody, hey, April, we're pulling everybody out of Afghanistan and basically moved the timeline to the right. What's really interesting, this is the first thing you need to know. There was a. The guy who was in charge, the ISAF commander, International Security Assistance Forces. Afghanistan was.

[Tyler]

I love it when you talk before you can breathe.

[Jimmy]

I know. So, man, it's so hard sometimes looking at you because it's like, oh, God, I'm just like, waiting.

[Mike]

No, no, no, no.

[Jimmy]

It's okay. So, Scott, General Scotty Miller. Yeah. You gotta do it like this.

[K9]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, there you go. General Scotty Miller was the commander of isaf. And two months before the retrograde, the pull out, he is rotated out of command of Afghanistan.

[Mike]

Why?

[Jimmy]

Nobody knows.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

It's like that George Washington thing. Nobody knows. He just. He's rotated out. What's funny is, is again, this is a guy that my dad knew pretty well.

[Mike]

Against his will, I'm assuming he didn't want to leave.

[Jimmy]

He has not said a word. And one of the things that is really, really should. Somebody should definitely go buttonhole and ask him about this is why were you rotated out of Afghanistan two months before the retrograde? I mean, it seems. That seems like stupid like what do.

[Mike]

You mean by the retrograde?

[Jimmy]

Retrograde. Think about like, you know, when we insert, right and then when we leave, when we exfil. That's also called a retrograde. We're going backwards words. All right, so I didn't want to say pull out, so I used a different word. So when we're getting ready to do this, I mean, you guys were airborne guys, right? What's, what's the most dangerous part of the operation?

[Mike]

The landing?

[Jimmy]

Well, infill and I guess where the shoot opens. Yeah, yeah, infill and X fill, right? Yeah, infill and X fill. X fill is going to be massive. I mean and you guys have all done operations before. You know, when you plan a big battalion size operation, planning starts a couple months in advance, right? Do you really want to change out the guy who knows the entire plan two months before that happens?

[Mike]

If he's gonna oppose it, then yeah, that's right.

[Jimmy]

So the first thing is like you gotta understand like these generals, they are not that you may not like them. You may think that they're p. Puppets, politicians, whatever. They've been training their whole lives in the study of war. And if you look at the Baghdad or not Baghdad bath, you look at Bagram airfield and you look at hkaya how much cars I International airport. You want bath because it's big, flat all the way around. I can see everybody. There's no mountains where people can. It's not in the middle of the town. You can. And all of these things that were needed, all of the terps that were getting ready to come to the United States, the State Department was there, everything was needed there. But somebody somewhere made an arbitrary decision that we're going to abandon bath. We're going to abandon bar.

[Mike]

We don't know.

[Jimmy]

Oh we, we can, we can rest assured that that came from national command authority, that came from the president. Okay now whether or not the president was the president at that time, I mean personally I think his head was pudding. But you can make the argument that it was on Joe Biden. Once that happened, all of the infrastructure, all the of all of the stuff that was needed and that happened on the 15th of August of 2021. Everything that was needed to do an orderly xfill get all the people that we get the right people here, the best defensive position for your. Your guys, better airfield, everything gone like that turned over to the Taliban. And then once it was turned over to the Taliban and things started going to in H kaya that we went to the Taliban. Think about this. The United States military went to the Taliban and said, hey, we'd really like to have Bagram back. And they said no. And, and I feel like you don't Indian give us. Yeah, I, I feel like it's like, dude, we're not asking.

[Tyler]

Can they say no?

[Jimmy]

We're not asking, we're telling you.

[Mike]

Yeah, right.

[Jimmy]

By the way, a lot of the weapons and stuff that was in Bagram, like, you know, HK 416s and MRAPs and Taliban took that on August 15th and then drove it down to HKA.

[Mike]

Yeah, I remember seeing the videos.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I mean some of those guys were equipped just as well as where.

[Mike]

They find the keys. If, you know, you know, you know, you know.

[Jimmy]

So, so that happens on August 15th every what year? 2021.

[Mike]

2021.

[Jimmy]

2021.

[Mike]

That's why I don't.

[Jimmy]

The, the, the overall commander on the ground at that point was. Commander. Or was General Donahue of the 82nd Airborne. Okay, okay. So he's in overall command. And now it's becoming a show. Everybody that was up in Bath that now is trying to transfer through with the State Department, do it the right way. They now have to scramble to come try to get to hka. Everybody knows this is it. This is the last police. These are the last planes out.

[Mike]

Has there been a more crazy exfil since Vietnam?

[Jimmy]

No, no. In fact, we had a lot of really good non combatant evacuations all the way through from Operation Frequent Wind. That was Vietnam, which you could say was pretty successful, even though it was nuts all the way through and into the 90s. We had them in Liberia. We've done a lot of. We. Neo, it's called the NEO operation. We've done these now once. This all happened on August 26th is when the ABY Gate attacked happened. Right. So now it's that explosion that, that's, that's what killed all the guys. And, and I mean, I have the numbers here just so that we're, we're all clear, because it's, it's worth saying the names. Okay. So there were 13 service members that were killed. 11 marines, one sailor, one soldier.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

Okay. And I mean, you know, at least mention that part.

[Mike]

Right.

[Jimmy]

There were 24 other Purple Hearts that were handed out. And what, this is what really pissed me off about it is that if you go to different places, you get different numbers on how many casualties American casualties there were at Abbey Gate. So I just went and pulled the records on how many Purple Hearts are handed out. That's Going to tell me? 13 of them were posthumous. The rest. So it's about 24 people wounded and posthumous. That means you were, it was awarded to you after you were killed.

[Tyler]

Ah, you know what that means?

[Mike]

Shut the up.

[Jimmy]

So you know, I mean it's, it's. It once that happens now everything is in blocks. We gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go. So do you guys. Well, not you, but you. This is gonna go out. I didn't mean it that way, but I feel bad.

[Tyler]

I was here protecting the homeland.

[Jimmy]

You were.

[Tyler]

I didn't go down range.

[Jimmy]

You remember. Do you remember putting people in bats and hides, you know, doing the biometric stuff like here, hold still, let me put this up in your face.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

That, all of that stuff, probably the most important thing we ever did for the United States was all those people that we put in bats and hides. It. It was, it was a massively big deal. So. And I mean feel free to interject with questions at any time. At some point when abigate happened, the timetable got compressed and it became. We got to get the out of here now.

[Mike]

Because of the attack. The attack. Like they realized we weren't gonna be able to like survive a couple more of this.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it, it was very much one of those situations.

[Mike]

Can you describe the scene during the Abbey Gate? Is that what it's called? Yeah, like, like if you could 10, 000ft up, look at what was going on. Like were there, how many breaches were there? Where was the main breaching coming from?

[Jimmy]

I have talked to, I've talked to four different people that were on the ground. One of them was a friend of mine. And you know, I asked specifically about certain things. So when the attack. So it basically you had, you know, the, the chicanes where people would come in. Right. So you've got this big long line of people. You've got thousands of people. People that the, the State department and others are turning away are getting handed over to the Taliban, walked around the corner and you're hearing them, you know, getting executed right there or women are getting raped. Like one woman jumped into the sea wire and tried to cut her own throat before going out.

[Mike]

Really happened?

[Jimmy]

Yes, that really happened.

[Mike]

Baby tossing really happened.

[Jimmy]

It did happen.

[Mike]

Okay. Because people were saying that baby tossing. Tim Kennedy said that and they were, I think they were anti Tim. So they were saying.

[Jimmy]

No, there was, there was a lot of, of bad, bad stuff.

[Mike]

All right, so what. Just to clarify. So people listening have made that. We're going in a lot of technicalities and Stuff. So to give more of an emotional. The elicit emotional reaction. Women were tossing. Allegedly. Yeah, but this is probably true.

[Jimmy]

I mean, I. Three different people that were on the ground has said that three of the.

[Mike]

Four that I talked to, women were tossing their babies trying to get them to Allied forces.

[Jimmy]

No, no, no, no. It's. It's not that. It's. They were trying to kill him because they didn't want to go out the gate.

[Mike]

They were trying to kill their own babies?

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Wow. That's way darker than what I was.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it's. Dude, as bad as you think it is, it's worse. It's. It's. It's.

[Tyler]

What do you mean?

[Mike]

The Taliban were going to take the babies, right?

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And they would. Were they. Were they thinking the Taliban was going to kill the babies or tournaments?

[Jimmy]

I don't know what they were thinking. I mean, I. I can't imagine. I mean, I. I have kids. I don't know what would make you want to kill your child, but they were. They were absolutely ready to kill themselves. I mean, the only thing that I can equate it to is when we went into Okinawa during World War II and the Okinawans were throwing themselves off cliffs and killing because they heard that United States soldiers and Marines were gonna rape them and torture them and do all this stuff.

[Mike]

Yeah. But that's not babies.

[Jimmy]

They were doing it to babies too.

[Mike]

Really? Oh, yeah.

[Jimmy]

They were smashing their heads on. That happened in. Okay. What the. Yeah, Okinawa was bad, dude. That's the only, like the stories that I heard from guys that were there, it was like. And talking about Afghanistan and Afghanistan stories.

[Mike]

You up for life, man. You being a 24 year old kid in Afghanistan and then you're seeing mothers kill their babies in front of you.

[Jimmy]

And worse than that is that the Taliban are out there right next to our service members. The guys that were knowingly. No, knowingly, we knew they were Taliban and we stationed them at the same checkpoint as US Marines and soldiers. Guys from the 82nd Airborne were standing directly next to Taliban.

[Mike]

Were we transitioning over to them?

[Jimmy]

No, they were there to help with crowd control.

[Mike]

So they. Those soldiers knew that they were standing next to Taliban.

[Jimmy]

That's correct.

[Mike]

And it's like, dude, just get me home type thing. Like, I don't care. I don't care. No, no.

[Jimmy]

I mean, like, there were. There were guys who had been, you know, like, hey, this is my third deployment to Afghanistan. I've been shooting at these and some of them killed my friends. And now I got to Stand next to this guy and you're telling me as the President of the United States or the general that I gotta. I gotta work with this dude who. Who probably tried to kill me nine months ago.

[Tyler]

Sounds very.

[Jimmy]

Joe Bidenish. That.

[Mike]

That whole thing stinks, dog.

[Jimmy]

It's. It only gets worse from here. It only gets worse. So in this throng of people, there's literally thousands of people trying to come through. The Taliban are there looking at, eyeballing people as they're coming in, knowing exactly when we walk them back out, they're going to take them right around the corner and kill them or rape them or torture them, God only knows what. And Marines are standing up in the tower watching these people disappear and then hearing gunfire from behind a building where they couldn't see.

[Mike]

That's verified?

[Jimmy]

That is verified. That was.

[Tyler]

What did the people think was going to happen? They thought they were going to be able to get on these planes? Yeah, they were told that, or they.

[Jimmy]

Just assumed that it was. It was one of those things where it was kind of a first come, first serve.

[Mike]

How long. How long did this chaos go on for? Was it days?

[Jimmy]

So the chaos was going on from pretty much the 15th of August until the 30th of August.

[Mike]

So two weeks of just straight maniacal human behavior that these service members were just so told to enforce.

[Jimmy]

When the. When the artillery battalion from the 82nd Airborne that thought they were going to jump until they got to Cutter and then were told, no, you're not going to jump, and we don't need the guns. You're going to be infantry. When they landed on the ground and got off the C17, there were Afghans who had breached the wire to try and get on the airplanes. I mean, that's the big video that you see of these guys. I mean, like, so you got 80 second dudes coming off the bird and it's like, who are we? Are we shooting these people? What are we doing?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So when the Abbey Gate attack happened, and I want to make sure I get it, Note that was the 26th of August. There were hundreds of people in front of this guy. And the snipers had. They had good intel on the who. The. They knew a suicide bomber was coming. They had good intel on what he was going to be wearing, what he looked like, who he was traveling with, everything. Snipers got PID on them. They passed it up to their. Their S2, their intelligence, and somewhere up in the higher echelons, they were told, yeah, it's probably him, but don't shoot. Don't shoot. Don't shoot. And, you know, Andrew Tyler Varg or. Yeah, Andrew Tyler Vargas or Tyler Andrew Vargas acts one of those two. Vargas is his last name. He was a sniper up there. He lost his arm and his leg in this attack was like, dude, like, it's a lot better than shooting him with a bullet than, you know, blowing him up with a drone, which eventually we did and shot and blew up the wrong people. That's a whole nother ball of wax. Once this all happened, the bomb went off. Hundreds of Afghans were killed in the attack. So it was like s vest with ball bearings and like that. He lost his leg, he lost his arm. He was lucky. There were other 13 people that were killed. And then I asked this very specifically because we heard the rumors that there was a gunfight afterwards. Now, one of my buddies said, no, it wasn't a gunfight. It was the bad guys shooting, and we were staying disciplined. But another guy said, no, I was up in the tower, and we run 150 rounds to the 240. And I'm like, well, that sounds like a gunfight to me at the Taliban.

[Mike]

So one. There was one suicide bomber, and then there was other people.

[Jimmy]

Once the suicide bomber went off, the Taliban, who had taken all of our vehicles, started firing.

[Mike]

Okay. And the American leave crew serve weapons on those vehicles or. No, no, they.

[Jimmy]

They had some of their own. Some of them had crew serves, but they. So the guy that I talked to said he was pretty sure it was a dishka that opened fire on them.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

And they fired back with about 150 rounds from their.240. And then we're told to cease fire. And, you know, guys were, you know, dumping mags out, and then they were like, hey, you know, knock it off. And then they went out and got the wounded. That sounds like a gunfight to me.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So you can't tell me that you expended 150 rounds out of your belt fed and you didn't get to a gunfight.

[Mike]

Were they trying to say there was no gunfight?

[Tyler]

The.

[Jimmy]

The narrative, the General Milley and the President said there was no firefight at Abbey Gate. And some guy said, I didn't see that. And other guys said, oh, we. We did some shooting.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

Bottom line is the bomb went off and somebody fired. Yeah. So. And the town, everybody said that the Taliban fired. So what do you got?

[Tyler]

They can lie on their after action report, so we'll never know the truth.

[Jimmy]

So once that happened, and this is where it gets Even worse. So the abigate attack happens. General Donahue goes outside the wire, 82nd Airborne commander outside the wire, no gun, nobody armor outside the wire. And goes and does a key leaders engagement with the Taliban.

[Mike]

Now why do you bring up that no gun, no body armor? It's sus.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it's, I mean like, but he already knew that.

[Mike]

He wasn't.

[Jimmy]

I, I, I think it was one of those things that I saw many, many times like, hey, I'm going to show you that I trust you. I'm going to take off my body. I'm gonna like, like, sorry bro, you just killed a bunch of my soldiers. You I'm not showing.

[Mike]

So he still went out there to try to. Instead of. Yeah. What would happen if a general, that's a general, right?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, he was a general.

[Mike]

If a general said this and started engaging and I mean obviously he would lose his job. But is there, is that a war crime? I mean to defy orders from battle?

[Jimmy]

It's not a war crime, but it may be dereliction of duty or, or.

[Mike]

Something on the battlefield making decisions. When the president and all of his little goonies up in D.C. are making calls for people in Afghanistan that are.

[Jimmy]

Getting, getting 19, 20 year olds killed. I mean, and that's, that's the sad part about it is, is these people up in these seats of power, just like Mike talks about all the time, you make decisions and it's the kids that are going to pay the price for it. So once that happened, now I've given you the, the, this is, this is the chaos going on. They start running everybody, if you can get them on the bird, get them on the bird. It take these Afghans in.

[Mike]

Who's they?

[Jimmy]

The, the, the powers that be that are making a decision on who's getting on the bird, what the manifest is, how many people they're going to fit. There were several. I mean I'm not going to go into detail. There were a lot of different locations that these people were flown to called lily pads. And there is where they were really processed. Like who the are these people? I'm going to get into detail about it later. But once the, once they were at the lily pad, which is, you know, scattered around the Middle east and Europe, they were very quickly on another aircraft headed to the United States. And once they got to the United States, the Department of Defense couldn't touch them anymore. So even if we had this right here, we have his DNA on.

[Mike]

What.

[Jimmy]

Do you call it? The command, the command detonator for an ied we know this killed Americans. We know he did. Once he got over American airspace, DOD can't touch him anymore. It becomes DHS. Okay. And there are an estimated about 2,000 of them. IED makers, terrorists, guys who talk people into committing suicide bombings.

[Mike]

How many Afghanistan did we fly out total?

[Jimmy]

124 to 150 thousand.

[Tyler]

Holy.

[Mike]

How many of those ended up in the United States?

[Jimmy]

All of them.

[Tyler]

What did Nate DSA I'm not surprised.

[Mike]

Oh my God. That's gracious.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So.

[Mike]

And of that I had no idea. Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

It's. It's bad so you know, unvetted, unknown military age males. I'm going to give you all of the information later to today about how that process.

[Mike]

Yeah. I said well they'll see it tomorrow morning.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So but like so pay attention because I mean it goes pretty hard, right?

[Mike]

It is, It's a good.

[Jimmy]

So but 2, 000 of them 100% killed Americans.

[Mike]

Did we find that out later? Do we know that? While we were on the lily pads.

[Jimmy]

So you. I'm not going to go too far into it but basically people that had the job to do this were not give. I mean you can think about it, right? That's how many people are in the air, right. You just go ahead and figure about 10,000 a day, right. 10 to 15,000 a day you've got. How long does it take to fly from, you know, Ramstein or Cutter to or Kuwait to the United States? That's how long you have from the time you get that information to the time that they get over U. S soil.

[Mike]

When they're, mind you, I'm assuming we're feeding these people, sheltering these people.

[Tyler]

How long, how long did that.

[Mike]

Are you.

[Tyler]

I don't know if you can talk about later but you can. How long does that process take to get all those people from there to here?

[Jimmy]

Weeks, months, days.

[Tyler]

They had that much, that many resources ready.

[Jimmy]

They didn't have the resources.

[Tyler]

No, I'm saying we did to get them out of there though.

[Jimmy]

We could get them out. We, we could fly them.

[Tyler]

That's what we did though.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Over a few days we were able to move.

[Jimmy]

So it was about 15 days that all those people were.

[Tyler]

They were leaving before that final.

[Jimmy]

Right. And then. And then it exponentially ramped up.

[Tyler]

So the people that were ended up at the airport were the ass ended.

[Jimmy]

Remember, Remember where we started? All the people that we wanted to get out were told to go to Bagram and then we closed Bagram. All of the Infrastructure, Everything was in Bagram.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

And then we closed Bagram, which is the. The most dumbass tactical. I mean, this is your best airfield. It's the most tactically defensible. It's got all of the resources that you need. Yeah, let's close it down and let's just do it all out.

[Tyler]

All those people got left there, and they got.

[Jimmy]

And they had to try and get down to hk.

[Tyler]

How far. How far away are we talking?

[Jimmy]

Oh, it's a couple hundred miles, bro.

[Tyler]

So you're not. You're not jumping on an Uber and getting down the other one?

[Jimmy]

No.

[Tyler]

You're not.

[Jimmy]

You're not hopping on your donkey and riding. Riding your eyes down there?

[Tyler]

Donkey?

[K9]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Okay, So, I mean. And so a lot of the people that we wanted to get out, we couldn't. And then, I mean, look, one of the guys that I talked to is a really good friend of mine. He was at the gate when Tim Kennedy showed up.

[Tyler]

With the grenades.

[Jimmy]

Not with the grenades. He was at the gate when. When Tim Kennedy showed up. And Tim Kennedy was like, I'm Tim Kennedy. You need to let me in.

[Tyler]

Do you want autograph?

[Jimmy]

Yeah. And they were like, the. That's not my orders. I don't give a who you are. You can't come in here with this busload of people. We don't know they know anything about you. And apparently, allegedly. I don't know if this is true. I've been able to find it. Allegedly, Tim Kennedy went straight at the guys in the 82nd, was like, you guys, I could have saved all these people, but the 82nd Airborne didn't let me. And that's completely. If that's what he did, and I'm not saying I could find that, but that's what I was told. If that's what he did, it's like, dude, you're in the army. I'm a private. He's a sergeant. That's a lieutenant. We have our orders, and Tim Kennedy does not supersede them.

[K9]

I don't give a.

[Jimmy]

If you're an MMA fighter. Am I making sense here? Okay, so once this timetable goes. So we got the. The attack on Abby gate on the 26th, from the 26th to the 30th. That's. We put a shitload of people in the air, and we put an enormous strain on the intelligence community. And they. There's a lot of stories involved in that, and, man, it's. It's really bad. But there was just no way, because once they got over the United States it belonged to DHS and DHS kind of. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, we're going to take care of it. Oh yeah. Never did. And now we're at the point where the Department of Homeland Security does not have the resources or the capability to hunt these down and find them in the United States. I mean you guys can attest to that.

[Tyler]

No. Plus you got cities that don't cooperate.

[Jimmy]

So there you go. So that is, that is the broad strokes overview and I'm, I'm open to questions since we've got time.

[Mike]

Where's the conspiracy hit?

[Jimmy]

This.

[Mike]

Isn't this like our, like our government? What was our, what was the okay goal of the government?

[Jimmy]

I, I have asked, I asked this question to a couple of different people and I said how much do you think was incompetence and how much was maliciousness? And they, most everybody I talked to said was about 80 just straight incompetence. People who didn't have any business making these decisions, making decisions on that they didn't know anything about. And, and they were like, and then there was about 20 that were like it these America, we got, we that country up, let everybody in. Who cares if we get blown up. But there was not that many of those. But there was a lot of people who just shouldn't have been in charge.

[Mike]

Why did we pull out of Afghanistan in the first place? And so, so we were there for over 20 years.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Why all of a sudden did it have to be like there was even the decision. Why wasn't it a five year process?

[Jimmy]

That, that's a great question. You know there was an agreement made by Trump in 2020 with the Taliban. First of all, I'll wipe my ass with any agreement I made with the Taliban. Like the Taliban, like I don't give a dude.

[Mike]

Like do we on Trump for not saying you but I'm saying as a cult, as a country do we on Trump for trying to go take your country? If these guys are the only people that want to run this country, it can't be us forever. The shitty part is the amount of people they are going to slaughter once we leave.

[Jimmy]

And, and you know the, the, there was definitely a vested interest in and Trump getting us get. I mean if he had ever been there. I mean like you get, I mean you went to Iraq, you get it to a point where you're just like what the are we doing here? That was my whole deployment. Yeah. Like, like these people don't give a. I am gonna die if, if I have to keep doing This. I don't give a. About dying in this place. Why are we still here? They don't want us here. They don't want the stuff that we're doing. Let's go. Let's get the out now. You can say that, you know, oh, well, you know, Trump made the decision to leave. I think it was a good decision to leave. I don't think the timetable was good. And as far as I'm concerned, once things started changing, you don't take something this complex and then 15. I mean, the, the leaving of Bagram Airfield is hilarious. Do you guys. Have you guys heard about that?

[Mike]

The leaving of how we left Bagram.

[Jimmy]

Now, there was a skeleton crew there. They literally loaded up on trucks, cut the power, burned some stuff, and left in the middle of the night without telling anybody. On August 15th, it was literally like, like midnight. On August 15th, all the lights went out in Bagram Airfield.

[Tyler]

I mean, without going, like, I know you're gonna have.

[Jimmy]

No, I mean, just send it.

[Tyler]

I'm just saying the fact that we left billions of dollars of equipment behind you, that's just weapons.

[Mike]

It's not.

[Tyler]

It's not.

[Jimmy]

It's not even like, like, we got it there.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you can't. You don't leave it.

[Jimmy]

You don't do that or destroy it. It'd be like going to a crime.

[Tyler]

Scene with the cop. Just leaving our patrol cars there and all our there and being like, you know what? Yeah, we got the guys in the hood roll around. We're gonna go back to the station. We're just gonna leave them.

[Jimmy]

We'll get.

[Tyler]

We got new ones. It's like, why would you even.

[Mike]

Who. Or destroy it?

[Tyler]

And all the military goes. We have billions in dollars of aircraft and equipment and weapons. You know what?

[Jimmy]

I mean it.

[Tyler]

We're leaving.

[Jimmy]

Mike, you really want to. You really want to get your feelings hurt. We left over a hundred canines there. Yeah, they eat them.

[Tyler]

They eat them.

[Jimmy]

No, they. They don't like them. They torture them and kill them. They don't eat them. They kill them.

[Mike]

We left dogs there.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, Belgian Malinois, German Shepherds. Yeah, we left them.

[Mike]

How heartless do you have to be to leave dogs and kennels knowing that? I mean, I, I would believe these people would leave our own people would leave children there if we had to.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I. I mean, it. It's so sad, like, because, like, some, like, I. One of my buddies that I talked to, he's probably like the calmest dude ever. He just doesn't. He doesn't have a lot of emotions in there, and I'm not saying that in a bad way, but, like, when he came back, like, and I talked to him was so bad listening to it. And you're trying to be a good bro, and you're just, like, trying not to cry as this guy is breaking down on you and telling you what. What went down.

[Tyler]

Think about the chain of events. So Trump plans it, then Covid comes.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, Covid curveball.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then he loses. And like somebody just said in the comments, so Trump's, you know, he negotiates it with the date after.

[Jimmy]

He can possibly lose.

[Tyler]

But think about all that. That's where I get in the huge conspiracies. Like, Covid just took over everything. So all this stuff is, like, just being hidden behind. The world is dying. We're all going to die. This disease that was completely fabricated comes out and, and they run Trump out of office, and then all this is going on, and it's all made up. It's all made up. And now we're talking about it five years later.

[Mike]

And it's like, when did, at, when did we make the, when did the DoD or the Pentagon make the decision that Afghanistan was unsavable and we were going to leave eventually? One day under. Just like, was it like 2017.

[Tyler]

No.

[Jimmy]

2002 or 3? I, I, my, my best guess is the Korengal Valley was, was the big one. So in 2007, 2008, just unachievable terrain. It. What we had. We had an entire platoon, nine killed, 27 wounded, wiped out in one attack.

[Mike]

What was that?

[Jimmy]

The Bella ambush?

[Mike]

What unit was that?

[Jimmy]

173Rd.

[Mike]

173Rd. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

So chosen Company. No, that was. They were at one knot. One not was. Was a big one. That was an entire combat outpost at the bottom of a valley at the bottom of three mountains that got overrun by 250 Taliban. And, like, they were like, like, one guy got the Medal of Honor for killing a dude with a rock. I mean, like, that's how close the enemy was. Like, gun runs straight through the patrol base. Everybody broken arrow type. Yeah. Everybody's platoon sergeants carrying a Javelin that was on fire and trying to throw it over the side of the berm in the middle of this horrific gunfight. And very quickly, people are like, how do we pull out of here without making it look like we lost? And then very slowly, the patrol bases started to disappear, and it became the bigger combat outpost. And that was pretty much like, this is the end.

[Mike]

Okay? So they just started pulling like, for anybody that doesn't know, obviously, the infantry goes out. So there's huge. There's bigger fobs and. And stuff like that that are main, like for logistics and stuff. And the infantry pushes out. We used to call them cops, JSS's, joint security stations.

[Jimmy]

And then you got a patrol base, which is a platoon.

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, the patrol base is old school. That's an old school concept. When I was in Iraq, we were trying to do these weird things where we were, like, working with the locals, but old school is patrol base. It's you and the boys in a. Very. Completely surrounded by the enemy territory.

[Jimmy]

And it's.

[Mike]

Y' all held up here and you get your support from the big base. Yeah.

[Jimmy]

And it's coming. So at the battle of why not. They. They were two weeks from going home. They were two weeks from going home, and they went out to go build this combat output or this patrol base out at wanot in this village. The Afghan didn't show up. The Afghan that was supposed to bring a bulldozer to help them fill the hescos, so they're out there with e tools and pioneer kits on their Humvees, trying to fill sandbags and hescoes breaking into rock. And they got attacked, like, about a weekend. The platoon leader was killed. They blamed pretty much everything on the platoon leader, Jason Brostrom.

[Mike]

Jason who?

[Jimmy]

Brostron was his name.

[Mike]

Oh, Jason.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, Jason Brostrom.

[Mike]

They blamed it on him.

[Jimmy]

They blamed a pl.

[Mike]

I mean, they're to blame for a lot, but not that.

[Jimmy]

Well, he didn't pick the terrain. He didn't pick where the patrol base was going to go. You get. He didn't get the support that he needed. And he couldn't do any patrols to keep the enemy off balance or figure it out.

[Mike]

To blame one human being on that.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, and he. By the way, he died. They blamed it on him because he was dead.

[Mike]

I don't put anything past our government anymore.

[Jimmy]

So you. You asked the question, when will he decide? It was between 2007 to 2009. This is.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

When. When infantry platoons are in positions where we have everybody killed and wounded on a patrol base or in a combat outpost, like, the only way we can supply it is by air. And the air and the helicopters get shot to pieces every time. What do we do? And so the decision was made in 22. I mean, we. To our credit, we went 10 more years trying to do it. Oh, you guys are both taking notes. This is not good.

[Mike]

No, I'm just. I mean, A lot of information, dude. I mean, I, I'm pretty ignorant to a lot of things. I'm, I'm really ignorant to politics. I, I've been out of the military for years. You know, it's just, it's crazy, dude.

[Jimmy]

The, the, the, the hardest part about all of this, this whole thing. Like I told you, you know, before the show, I was like, this is a tough weekend for me because what.

[Mike]

New information has came out today?

[Jimmy]

The, the numbers, the numbers on how many people we know for a fact were, have American blood on their hands.

[Mike]

You're talking about like the 2000. Yeah. 2, 000 walking around here that hate us more than anything, they hate us. They don't just hate us because they want to suppress us into serving them. They don't want to be above us in society. These people hate us and they want us to be dead.

[Tyler]

The FBI just uncovered today they arrested four people that had planned a bombing on New Year's Eve in la.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, terrorists.

[Tyler]

That's good. And that flies right on the radar. Imagine where in the world would you be like, hey, war twos are going to blow up la. And it's like minor news.

[Jimmy]

Here's like, minor new.

[Tyler]

Nobody's even talking about it. Like, four dudes were gonna blow LA up on New Year's Eve and they just found him and caught him. And it's like, okay, on the sports, if you're.

[Jimmy]

Listen, I know I get a lot of. I know you and me, Mike, we get a lot of flack for hating cops, but if you're a cop right now, I want you to listen to me, Listen to me very carefully.

[Mike]

So I just said, paint, Jimmy.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, yeah, listen to me.

[Mike]

Thanks, Dylon.

[Jimmy]

Listen to me very carefully. If you end up in a traffic stop or anything else, and you get a name of a person with a bunch of consonants in it, definitely a Middle Eastern name.

[K9]

And then.

[Jimmy]

And the birth date is 11 1980. Pretty good chance. Like, I came over on Operation allies.

[Mike]

Why won 119?

[Jimmy]

Because they didn't know their birthdays. And that's just the number they gave them.

[Mike]

So they did give them. Okay, so that's good to know. For cops.

[Jimmy]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like, like, if you, if you go up to a traffic stop and you go look at this guy and it's like this. Definitely a Arabic name, and you go look at that birthday, and it says 11 1980, pretty good idea. You're looking at the hair on the back, your neck should go up. You should start looking around now.

[Mike]

That. Could that be one of the hundred and how many people to hunt?

[Jimmy]

1.

[Mike]

Could that have been one of the 200000 people or is that going to be one of the 2,000 that.

[Jimmy]

That could be. It's. It's one of the. Between120 and180,000 people that came over here. And in that group of fighting age males, about 2,000, roughly 2,000 of them are known bad guys. That. That's so. I mean like, I don't know how you guys as cops would handle that. I don't know.

[Mike]

Can't. I mean as much as an American, I want to be like thanks for 911.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I mean Homeland Security contacts. But then you again, you go to a city like Minnesota and you're not allowed to call them.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like you'd be like, sorry, but good luck. You know, you get. Let them go. We actually would call our contacts, send them. We had a guy named Caesar from dhs. We would just send them pictures on the scene and be like, hey, can you run this guy?

[Mike]

Would it be considered racist if I'm a street cop? This is dead serious too. I'm not even joking.

[Tyler]

I know I have anything that starts with that does not dead serious.

[Mike]

If I was a street cop. You're my task force Homeland Security guy, right? You're working with Homeland Security. I get a guy, weird name, obviously he's fun, from Galakistan or whatever. And I got one, one 1980. And I document him. All the information I have, take a picture. I let him go and I send it to you because of all that.

[Tyler]

Well, I would send. You send it before. Like before you let him go. Yeah, I'm not. Because I'm a shitty guy. Oh my God. He's wanting for terrorism. Oh yeah. Just turn left on Main Street.

[Mike]

Do you want me to go get him that.

[Jimmy]

But that is. Here's that. And that's something we're going to get into. And me and Mike are going to get into this because I got. I got a couple of parts of this and one of them is like, okay, how do we fix this problem? And what can you do as a Leo and. And how do we work around this? And some of the answers I just don't know.

[Tyler]

Well, the. What you would do. Okay, you would definitely send before. If he comes back with nothing. You're going to take pictures and it's not racist. You're going to take pictures, you're going to document it very well. You should Write a report. And because cops are very lazy, most of them would overlook what Jimmy's saying. But you, that's where your brain should go. Hey, this is more than a stop sign. Maybe you want to document that. You do a five line report, stop this guy. This is what he gave me. I sent the information to dhs. They didn't have anything specific, but he was at this location in this car. Takes five seconds to go hit submit and it's on, it's on file. Is it racist? No. You're not going to do that to a 70 year old freaking white lady lady. You're not. But when you see a middle aged terrorist looking male, they're the only people that have blown themselves up with vest on.

[Mike]

So.

[Jimmy]

Or shot up. Freaking.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like that's who I'm going to document. And that's part of. You can argue. Like I said, you get into the Hispanic, just because they look Hispanic, you're getting detained. All the stuff's going on ice. There are some, you know, what do you. There's some arguments there.

[Mike]

It's a different situation.

[Tyler]

It is, in this situation, you know, you're not just deporting a guy that, you know, picks fruit or something because he's in the country illegal. You're talking about middle aged males who blow things up and kill themselves in order to prove their point. So you should document them, take pictures of them. Get that submitted to DHS and have that on file that you contacted them and where.

[Jimmy]

Here's the thing. I already. There was already an officer involved shooting.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

With one of these dudes in Fairfax, Virginia.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Or Virginia. I got the. Yeah, they got smoked too. Yeah, they let, they let it happen. It was a shootout with the Al Akbar.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. One of the guys, he recorded the whole thing too.

[Tyler]

The guy in the car. It was.

[Jimmy]

I've got the video. We can, we can break it down again. I think, I think we did break it down, but we can break it down again.

[Tyler]

They got shot.

[Jimmy]

They had their vests on.

[Tyler]

They did, but the guy got a jump on them and actually fixed the malfunction. It's all on camera.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Shot both of them. Because they were just like, no, no, they didn't die.

[Jimmy]

They killed him. He got, he got, but he was.

[Tyler]

Giving all the indicators. He was argumentative.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Remember in the car and he shot both ways and all. Yeah, that was, he had a vest on.

[Mike]

Yeah. One of the guys.

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

He had a gun belt on. Dude, he had a gun belt.

[Mike]

They document when he did, do they know when he came in?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, well, they came in on operationalized welcome.

[Mike]

They know that.

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Tyler]

He had a gun belt, magazine, and his reload was flawless. Yeah, he got into a gunfight with the cops, dropped a mag. Flawless reload. Like, I mean, it was wild. And they were completely guard down. They were just.

[Jimmy]

And that's, that's what I'm saying. Like, if you're a cop right now, remember that 125 to 180, 000 of these are here and 2, 000 of them. I mean, it's like saying here, here's 180, 000 pills. 2, 000 of them, at the very least that we know of, have already killed people. Take one. Like, when you go roll up on these dudes, you and you see this and you get the target indicators, you better be paying attention or your ass is gonna die. Well. Or you're gonna get somebody else.

[Tyler]

Break that one down if you want.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, go for it.

[Tyler]

Because you and I on the show. Because it is, it's all the indicators were there.

[Mike]

Wait, are you on Jimmy's show?

[Tyler]

I'm helping.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Breakdown if you.

[Mike]

Why didn't I get an invite?

[Tyler]

We don't need you, dude. You needed a guy that actually did his job.

[Jimmy]

He didn't need some honestly off swat.

[Tyler]

He got fires for saying gay on Patreon.

[Mike]

He didn't need that.

[Jimmy]

So I mean, like, honestly, like, because, I mean, first of all, dude, people don't know how much work Tyler does. They absolutely don't. And I, I went like, hey, Mike, me and you'll do this.

[Tyler]

Jimmy's apologizing for not invite. He doesn't understand that you don't care. He doesn't understand you don't care. No, I, I. It was a very brief conversation. Well, yeah, good conversation, but it was more like I explained how the easiest way to record and all that was. But if there's a lawn for it. You got enough going going on. There's a law enforcement aspect. If you wanted me five minutes just to pipe in and say like, talk about that, I absolutely said I would.

[Mike]

But man, you get might stay five minutes after we end the show.

[Jimmy]

Well, I mean, it may not be today. Maybe next.

[Mike]

Pound it. Pound it out.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

How many shows am I on?

[Mike]

50.

[Tyler]

Bazillion. Yeah. Free time.

[Jimmy]

You know, I, I think the thing that I want everybody to walk away from from this. And then, I mean, I kind of end it here. Unless you guys want to keep talking. This was like a Week and a half of really, really tough research. And it was probably one of the hardest things that I've actually had to like, sift through and try to stay objective about and, and not, not be a human. As I'm reading this stuff and listening to these stories and talking to these people and I, I don't, I'm gonna break it down the best I can, but I really don't have the words for how, how sad it makes me and how scary it should be that the number one that are all of these bad things happen to all these good people. And our government basically just hung us all out to dry not once, but twice now. And it's probably not going to be us three sitting in this room that are going to pay for. It's probably gonna be our kids because these are patient. They won't do this in two years. They'll do it in 10 or 15. It's a long game. It's a long game and we need to understand that it's coming.

[Tyler]

It's coming.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You know, they, they found one four guys in LA that are planning something. Yeah, there's a hundred.

[Jimmy]

Those are, those are the drops.

[Mike]

See, I look, I look at it. If you're looking long game, I'm looking at. Those were the sacrificial dudes to see.

[Tyler]

To maybe just test the waters, talk.

[Mike]

About it open source, get on signal app, get arrested. Just do it on the.

[Tyler]

Blow themselves up in a vet.

[Jimmy]

Get arrested. Yeah.

[Mike]

And we, they want to see how we react. They want to see how long it's.

[Jimmy]

In the news, right?

[Mike]

Yep. They want to see how you physically react, but they also want to see how much we care as a culture.

[Jimmy]

But I mean, because that if they're.

[Mike]

Like, oh, that we can, based off our analytics of this incident, we can tell that's not cultural, going to leave a dent in American society. We need to go much bigger.

[Jimmy]

I, if take what. This is my, my worst case scenario, take what happened in Australia now do that in 15 different places around the country simultaneously.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

We'd be chaos. Yeah. But I mean, you don't even need that much money.

[Tyler]

Individual place is going to handle it.

[Jimmy]

But, oh, they're gonna die.

[Tyler]

That's gonna create, I mean, but it'll show that that would create, create the fear that it's really serious now.

[Jimmy]

Like it can happen. You don't, you don't need a dirty bomb or anthrax. You just need a couple of people willing to die and, and a few guns and, but, and the law Enforcement needs to be, but we need to be training for that day.

[Tyler]

We have cities that are absolutely not enforcing the law.

[Jimmy]

I know you have cities like Minnesota.

[Tyler]

That not enforcing the law and blue cities that. Just say it. This is a sanctuary city. Send them all here. It's insane. It's in the most insane thing I've ever could ever imagine.

[Jimmy]

It's almost.

[Tyler]

We're just gonna say it's okay.

[Jimmy]

I mean, you're starting to scratch to. To go on the other side of the line between dereliction of duty and treason.

[Tyler]

It's treason. In my opinion. It's treason.

[Jimmy]

I mean, treason is treason.

[Mike]

Rabbit hole we're gonna start spiraling down into. I'm all for it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Game on.

[Mike]

Treason is. We got. We should probably end it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Soon. But just treason is like the tip of the iceberg, dude. I think that there's. It goes all the way down to biblical times, and this is the end. And, you know, our. What, our people have made deals that we're never going to come back from in this country.

[Tyler]

Correct.

[Jimmy]

So, you know, I. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk about how. I'm gonna talk about on the show. I'm gonna talk about the only way. There's only one way that we can fix this problem with what happened with Operation Allies. Welcome. And I'm going to go in depth about how it happened.

[Mike]

But then get arrested by the FBI for causing a resurrection.

[Jimmy]

No, no resurrection. I mean, last time. Last time I checked, there was a guy that got killed for causing a resurrection, so, I mean, I'd be in good condition.

[Mike]

Company.

[Jimmy]

But I mean, there, There is. There is an outside chance that we could fix this problem.

[Tyler]

At least you just say erection.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Jesus. That's all we need. I mean, you know, hey, listen, I appreciate you guys staying as serious for as long as you can.

[Tyler]

I mean, that's serious stuff. And I think it's. I talked last night. I think it's a great idea to dive into that. And I've always, You know, I've always said you have the most knowledge and the most. The best way of relaying it. Very serious. Because that's. That is a tedious task to dive into death and, And, and, and just failure and then talk about it. It's miserable. It's like talking. It's like talking about a homicide. You go talk about. Man, I saw this.

[K9]

I saw.

[Tyler]

You're talking about mass casualty.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Dogs, dead kids. Like you're gonna go out, and that's. That's not an easy task. To stay on topic and. And research that.

[Mike]

It's a hard one to come from the show we just did, which is 75% fun. Yeah. And you had to shift it. All right. Hey, Jimmy. Ruin the day for us.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And bad news.

[Jimmy]

But, you know, here. Here's the thing, man. Like, we. We gotta have that conversation, too.

[Mike]

We.

[Jimmy]

We can. And look, when we get done, we're. We're gonna. I'm gonna smoke a cigarette and we're gonna make some jokes, and I'm gonna. I've been dealing with hard stuff for very. Most of my. All of my adult life. I've been carrying a gun since I was 17 years old. Like, this is. This is what I've dealt with. You've been doing it, and you've been doing it. You know, we're gonna deal with it. But the average person that's in the chat is going to watch this show. You need to not bury your head in the sand about this.

[Mike]

You're right.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Carry a gun for 26 years.

[Jimmy]

Carried a gun all your adult life.

[Mike]

Dude, I had a break in between. For college, in between the army and.

[Tyler]

God, it's crazy.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. You've been a professional gunfighter.

[Tyler]

I never looked at it like that.

[Jimmy]

So, you know, listen, guys, my mind.

[Mike]

Can only be blown by Jimmy so much.

[Jimmy]

One day I got it.

[Mike]

Just kidding.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Smoked a cigarette live on camera in the trap house.

[Mike]

Let me just put some broken doors.

[Tyler]

We'll just stay live and give him your phone.

[Mike]

Build you like a. Like a set, like, for a kid's show.

[Jimmy]

It's like lamb chop, remember?

[Mike]

Yeah. Hey, kid, this Jimmy, you've got, like, animal.

[Jimmy]

All right, now we're going to talk to Mr. Potato about how this person got blown to pieces in a freaking.

[Tyler]

I thought Elmo left his bike here. Elmo was certain he left his bike here. There was two people on a bench. And then Elmo walks up and says, elmo was certain he left his bike here.

[Jimmy]

Now it's gone.

[Tyler]

People on a bench.

[Mike]

All right, guys, we're gonna get out of here. Thank you so much for your time. That was a good show.

[Tyler]

Make sure you guys check out Jimmy's podcast puppet one more time.

[Jimmy]

It's gonna be the shadow cast. We're gonna be.

[Mike]

What time we dropping it tomorrow?

[Jimmy]

What time we're gonna drop it? 10 o' clock tomorrow.

[Mike]

10 o'.

[K9]

Clock.

[Jimmy]

10 o'.

[Mike]

Clock.

[Jimmy]

I. I don't know. The analytics. We got to talk about the analytics.

[Tyler]

If it's rug. If it's on you.

[Mike]

You got to subscribe to Counterculture, Inc. Go to Counterculture, Inc. YouTube. Or you can find Shadowcast on Spotify. Yep. And Apple. And all that fun stuff. Yep. Yep.

[Jimmy]

Absolutely.

[Mike]

All right, guys, take it easy. Thursday, Jv team for life.