90 Year Old Lady ARRESTED For SHOPLIFTING?? (7/09/2026)

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast — Episode Summary

Episode Title: 90 Year Old Lady ARRESTED For SHOPLIFTING?? (7/09/2026)
Date: July 9, 2026
Podcast: The Antihero Broadcast
Target Audience: Veterans, first responders, blue collar Americans

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around the controversial arrest of a 90-year-old woman in Vero Beach, FL for shoplifting $170 in groceries. The hosts dissect how law enforcement, Target corporation, and the media handled the case, delving into police discretion, the ethics of prosecution for minor crimes, and broader themes like corporate responsibility and privacy rights. The show later presents discussions on surveillance technology, policing culture, media propaganda, and civil liberties, with regular updates from the show’s Discord, supporters, and collaborators.

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Main Discussion: 90-Year-Old Shoplifting Arrest

The Headline Story ([04:12]–[20:34])

• Incident Summary: A 90-year-old woman, later identified as Joanne Eckhart, was arrested for shoplifting $170 in food at a Target in Vero Beach, FL. She told police she was experiencing financial difficulties.
• Media and Law Enforcement Response: The news media opted not to reveal her identity to avoid further embarrassment (see [07:44]), while Target pressed charges, an atypical corporate response for petty theft.
• Hosts' Opinions:
  • A: “Do you think I'm going to be arresting a 90-year-old lady? Absolutely not... I'm not a psychopath.” ([04:31])
  • On the Media: “The news, all of a sudden, has ethics and morals... If this was a cop who ran a stop sign, his whole family’s addresses would be on here.” ([07:56])
  • On Target: “Target wanted to press charges. That is super odd. Usually, corporate places like Target don’t want to be involved in anything because it puts them in a light of crime.” ([13:01])

Law Enforcement Discretion ([12:52]–[16:09])

• Discussion of Options:
  • Notice to Appear (NTA) instead of arrest.
  • Target’s demand for prosecution overrules officer discretion, but not typical for major corporations.
• On Discretion:
  • “There is a victim. Target is the victim. Sure, they got a few bucks. But you can issue an NTA in this situation all day long.” ([12:52])
• Training/Policy Critiques:
  • “If you have to be on the fence for arresting a 90-year-old lady and you don’t understand what petty theft is, I think you’re a [dumbass].” ([30:26])

Community Resources and Social Commentary ([08:45]–[18:11])

• Community Aid: The news segment shifts focus to 211, a community resource line for those in need.
• Hosts question government assistance:
  • “When did taxpayers allow there to be a '211' where people’s bills can be paid?” ([08:58])
• Broader Social Context:
  • “With rent increases and everything else, Grandma probably has some financial problems because she retired... Maybe that would be the call—do we call DCF, do we call some resources?”

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Law Enforcement Culture & Corporate Critique

Corporate Policy Examples ([10:54]–[13:42])

• Waste at Corporations:
  • “Target... if the Xbox, an iPhone aisle gets damaged... they take them out back... record themselves... and destroy all those products. Tens and fifties and hundreds [of thousands]... They have enough money.” ([10:55])
• Target’s Role in the Media Coverage:
  • “Target gets no flack for telling the cop, for $170, I want to prosecute an old lady.” ([16:54])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On police discretion:
  • “If Granny’s in Target ... stealing $170 worth of groceries because she’s down and broke, what does going to jail do for Granny? It sets her back further, right?” — B ([18:11])
• On the human element of policing:
  • "The human side of you gives. Has feelings, has remorse..." — B ([24:16])
• On options for handling elderly offenders:
  • “I’m calling my zone partner Mike to come drive Granny’s car to her house.” — A ([31:33])

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Broader Discussions & Segments

Surveillance Technology, Privacy, and Policing ([88:06]–[99:54])

• Flock/LPR Critique:
  • Hosts discuss the pervasiveness and dangers of automated license plate readers (LPRs), raising concerns about privacy violations, government overreach, and potential future Supreme Court challenges.
• Technological Overreach:
  • “This company alleges they’re using LPRs, tracking your dog’s chip, your phone, ... and it’s starting to build a footprint of you so that everywhere you go, they can say where you’re at.” — B ([90:01])
• Constitutional Rights:
  • “The Constitution is the most important document. ... Where do you draw the line of giving up your First and Fourth Amendment to benefit with, you know, finding a car that’s stolen?” — B ([98:43])

Media, Propaganda & Policing Culture ([79:34]–[83:13])

• Media Manipulation:
  • “The CIA clearly in the last 100 years [is] using the entertainment industry and TV and Disney to literally create propaganda.” — A ([81:11])
• Veteran/Psychedelic Culture: Guest D discusses MK Ultra, the use of psychedelics in the veteran community, and the risks of treating PTSD without broader systemic change. ([82:31])

Gun Rights, Authority & Utopia ([94:18]–[95:43])

• On Leftist Gun Ownership:
  • “If you go far left enough beyond the liberals and the Democrats and you keep going left, you get your guns back.” — D ([95:43])
• Debate on Police, Authority, and Utopia:
  • “If we can have guaranteed housing, ... there is going to be a reduction in quote unquote street crime... Workers need to have access to firearms and should be basically violently defended if needed.” — D ([94:44]–[95:43])

Chicago Crime Stats & Police Performance ([111:01]–[115:50])

• Chicago PD Bodycam Review:
  • A female officer experiences weapon malfunction during a shooting. Hosts critique her gun-handling and lack of training.
• Chicago Violence Report:
  • “Over the weekend, six killed and 20 wounded in Chicago. That is actually a slow weekend ... two years ago during July 4th, 23 people were killed and 86 wounded.” — B ([114:25])

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Guest Appearances

Dominic Izzo ([57:35]–[76:53])

• Former cop, media personality; discusses app development, policing social media culture, and police-influencer controversies.
• Offers support for co-host Mike's run for sheriff:
  • “This is the foundational pebble in the ocean that will cause a tsunami ... Go to DilksForSheriff.com.” ([75:52])

Ryan (Recurring Communist Co-host/Contributor)—([77:59]–[106:59])

• Shares perspectives on class consciousness, propaganda, U.S. militarism, the flaws of the "American Dream," technological surveillance, and police state expansion.
• Engages in friendly but ideological banter about the feasibility of utopia and government authority.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:12] Old lady arrest story begins
• [07:44] News segment on arrest and privacy
• [12:52] Police discretion in petty crime cases
• [18:11–20:34] Community/social resources discussion
• [30:26] Critique of officer training & policy
• [79:34] Discussion with Ryan on class, propaganda
• [90:01] LPR surveillance and privacy invasion
• [99:54] Host’s take on policing tech & the Constitution
• [111:01] Police-involved shooting bodycam review
• [114:25] Chicago crime statistics
• [115:50] Wrap-up

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Episode Tone & Style

Bold, informal, darkly humorous, and opinionated, the hosts embody a no-nonsense, veteran/cop-centric voice while regularly lampooning both “woke” corporate culture and government overreach. They blend satire and serious policy critique, particularly when discussing law enforcement practice, corporate responsibility, and civil liberties.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps and Speakers)

• “Do you think I’m going to be arresting a 90-year-old lady? Absolutely not … I’m not a psychopath.” – A, [04:31]
• “The news, all of a sudden, has ethics and morals. Now again, take 90-year-old woman out of it. If this was a cop that ran a stop sign, his whole family’s addresses would be on here.” – A, [07:56]
• “That is super odd. Usually, corporate places like Target don’t want to be involved in anything because it puts them in a light of crime … They typically don’t like to be associated where crime could occur.” – A, [13:01]
• “If Granny’s in Target on July 2 stealing $170 worth of groceries because she’s down and broke, what does going to jail do for Granny?” – B, [18:11]
• “If you have to be on the fence for arresting a 90-year-old lady and you don’t understand what petty theft is, I think you’re a [dumbass].” – A, [30:26]
• “This company alleges they’re using LPRs, tracking your dog’s chip, your phone, ... and ... everywhere you go, they can say where you’re at.” – B, [90:01]
• “If you go far left enough beyond the liberals and the Democrats and you keep going left, you get your guns back.” – D, [95:43]
• “Land of the free.” – D, [106:42]

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Final Thoughts

This episode is classic Antihero: irreverent, critical of both authority and big corporations, and fiercely loyal to blue collar and law enforcement perspectives—critical even of their own, when warranted. The debate over the 90-year-old’s arrest becomes a bigger conversation about discretion, empathy in law enforcement, and broader social failings—while the hosts manage to pack in policing culture, technological overreach, and healthy doses of dark humor throughout.

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For full episode context, listen starting at [04:12] for the main story and follow key segments above.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Yep, if you don't get run over by a reindeer in every county, you old ladies, the sheriff's office will take you to jail.

[A]

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[A]

All right, let's get to it. Old lady arrested. Not my problem.

[B]

This is my agent, this is my, this is my agency that did this wonderful thing.

[A]

Sheriff Dilks. We'll hear from Canada, ladies.

[B]

All right, let's pull up.

[A]

My problem is.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

My problem with this is that a 90 year old lady stole. Do you think I'm going to be arresting a 90 year old lady? Absolutely not. Petty theft, you get out of town. However, I'm not arresting a 90 year old lady because I'm not a psychopath. What I don't agree with is the media deciding what they will and will not cover. Now the media, which I have, I have the new A video. We can either do it after

[C]

your

[A]

thing or we can do it before or whatever.

[B]

But involving this?

[A]

Yeah, it's the, it's the news clip where the media took it upon themselves to not show her identity or her name or a picture of her And I don't agree with that because the news obviously will oust anybody they want, but they're deciding that they're going to make the call on who gets mercy after committing a crime. Again, I'm not sitting here saying that I would do anything but let this lady go. And if the state wanted to press charges, that's on the state of Florida. What's your thoughts on that?

[B]

I got some. You want to roll the video first? You want my. You want me to dive in?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'll roll the video first. Hold on.

[B]

Yeah, because I got a lot to say.

[A]

Right. And there's no sound. What'd you do? Would you take it? Put it back up.

[B]

Okay, hold on. You can't start my video is what I'm getting at.

[A]

I didn't start your video. I started that. You.

[B]

That was my page.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You got to hook up a mic so when we're talking and we had headphones on when you talk over there, no one can hear what you're saying. So you either gotta yell real loud or put your mic on. So what'd you say, Eli? Nothing. Nothing.

[B]

Now he's got nothing to say.

[A]

The video has no sound, so. Never seen that before.

[B]

Mike's coming.

[A]

We're good. We're here.

[B]

Hold on.

[E]

Me and my cousin.

[B]

Why are we loading that?

[A]

No, that's me.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, that's not it.

[A]

All right. What happened to the thing I presented?

[B]

You can't manipulate it. Once you put. That was my page. You know what I'm saying? I had that loaded.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, I. Hold on. Okay, my bad, my bad. All right, hold on.

[B]

Yours is on your computer, probably still.

[A]

That's why I guess I never shared this screen.

[E]

There you go.

[B]

We're back.

[A]

This is my first time doing this. Now I feel bad for yelling at Eli.

[B]

No, he deserved it.

[A]

All right, can you share it? Perfectly. Vero Beach, a 90 year old woman arrested for shoplifting groceries. Telling police she was having financial difficulties.

[C]

Ari Heights in Vero beach tonight with details and why. Local organizations say this arrest shows need

[B]

for help in the community.

[F]

According to the police report, it was at this target here in Vero beach where a 90 year old woman was arrested for shoplifting. I talked to that woman. Tells me she's very embarrassed by what happened, so.

[A]

Oh, all right. Now that this stupid ass anchor has made the decision, she's very embarrassed. Okay.

[F]

We are not going to reveal her identity. Our goal is not to embarrass her more. Our.

[A]

Oh, okay. The news, all of A sudden has ethics and morals. Now again, take 90 year old woman out of it. If this was a cop that ran a stop sign, his whole family's addresses would be on here.

[F]

Our goal is to let you know help is available. The police report says the 90 year old woman was arrested last Thursday at the Target on 20th street in Vero beach. Accused of shoplifting, trying to steal about $170 worth of food items. The report says the deputy asked her why she was stealing and she said she was having quote, financial difficulties supporting herself.

[A]

It's really, really heart wrenching. I think it's incredibly sad.

[F]

Elizabeth Burrows and Rosalind Diaz work different.

[A]

My guess is, I can probably guess the race of this organizations with the

[F]

same goal to help burrows is with 21 1, Palm beach and Treasure Coast. If you need food help with your bills, your medication, whatever it may be, call 211 and they'll point you in the right direction.

[A]

That's probably enough for now. When the did taxpayers allow there to be a 211 where you can pay people? What? Where their bills can be paid. What is this insanity?

[B]

I've never heard of the government paying it.

[A]

No, it's not. Where do you think two one one gets the money to pay the bills?

[B]

Yeah, the b. They get the bills, but people can donate at least to other people instead of the government just stepping in. But I have a whole. That's a whole nother topic. Let's go.

[A]

We got time. So I will hit that up.

[B]

We're gonna get to it. I. I just want to go down. So even on the website, the sheriff's website, they let me go. I gotta find her because they have it hidden. Okay, so her name. I'll give you her name. Her name is Joanne Eckhart. But on the website of the sheriff's office, I'll show you what they did, which is normally what they do when they don't want to show somebody is they do this. Eli, bring it up. They go with that. No image available,

[A]

Right?

[B]

So now you're like, oh, no image available. They just put on the front side. But then when you click it, you're going to be wrong. Here she is a elderly white female.

[A]

Whoa. Reverse racism. So they'll put black people.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. The two black ladies on the page there, there. But not this lady. So this is, this is her. Five three, 139. She was arrested on July 2nd. So here's where my brain goes and get rid of that. Here's where my brain grows Your brain doesn't grow, it grows. So let's go to the report and can you get rid of that chiron so I can read Eli? It's got the time date. It's Target, so let's start there. Target, right. They're part of the corporate meltdown of America. Right? They're part of the, they're part of the. We own everything.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Let me tell you what Target does. I don't know if you guys, I don't know if you guys know this. I had a buddy of mine that was a super high up at Target. Do you know if a hurricane comes through or there's water damage in the store? And like, let's say like the Xbox, an iPhone aisle gets damaged. Like maybe there's some water and it doesn't destroy anything, it just gets water on. Maybe the boxes. Do you know what they do? They take them out back, they put them record. They have to record themselves. They put them in a, not an incinerator, but whatever the other thing is called, like a garbage compactor. And they destroy all those products. Thousands and tens and fifties and hundreds. Nope. They don't donate them. They don't mark them down for brand awareness and, and to keep the price up. So these stores have enough money to just go out back. I worked there during a hurricane with him and I watched him destroy like 50, 60, $100,000 worth of electronics because the boxes got slightly damaged. So they have enough money. I'm going to tell you, their Target's not running out of money. Right. So when you, when you break this down, is crime crime? Yes, crime is crime across the board. But we also have a thing called discretion. I've used. Discretion is all the way up to possession of cocaine, which is a felony. Right? Discretion. There is a victim. Target is the victim. Sure, they got a few bucks. The officer says he made contact with Eckhart and advised her of her Miranda rights. She stated she understood her rights and agreed to speak with him. When asked why she stole the item, she stated she'd been experiencing financial difficulties supporting herself and was embarrassed. She advised the store representative, advised the store whisked to pursue criminal charges and issued her a trespass warning. She then was subsequently taken into custody and transported to the Inerra County Jail for booking. All right, kids. All right, kids. Don't take a 90 something lady. Don't, don't, don't, don't. You can issue an NTA in this situation all day long, right?

[A]

It's a file on her for people that don't know what filing is. If you don't want to make a physical arrest.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Can we bring this down?

[B]

Yeah, you take it down

[A]

for people that don't want to make a physical arrest. Cops that don't want to make a physical arrest, they can file with the state attorney's office and put it on the state of Florida to take a 90 year old woman to jail. But the real weird thing about this is Target wanted to press charges. That is super odd. Usually corporate places like Target don't want to be involved in anything because also puts target in a light of crime even though they didn't do anything wrong. Places like Target typically don't like to be associated where crime could occur.

[B]

Everybody, you remember our epic when, when Fu said something about being. What did he say? When they were like, come on Fu, you're. You're five foot. Remember the real.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Same scenario when they told. When they would have looked at me and said we want to press charge. I'd like to. I looked at that dude like, come on Fu. You, come on lady from Target. You, you want to press charges? Here's the things, here's the alternate options. This is where your brain kicks in and common sense kicks in. Is one, you're right, you can write it up and write a warrant on her. Here's the, this is one way to go. You can nta right at the scene and say here, here's your notice to appear. Your court date is whatever date, you get it right at the scene, everything's the same, she goes home. No, no jail. Part two is you can also leave and write a warrant. And then in your warrant affidavit you could indicate to the state and the judge who's going to review those things that this is a 90 year old lady who is struggling for food and they could set her bond at like ror. Or maybe they could set her bond.

[A]

She still gotta be physically arrested.

[B]

She does. That's not the greatest option, but it's still an option. Or they could just issue her a court date as well. Like you can give her and say, hey go. You ever have those summons arrests where you go issue somebody like a summons at the scene?

[A]

No, I really don't. Because guess what? Here's the cool thing about being a real street cop is that nobody that I ever dealt with was eligible for an NTOA or a summons because an ntoa, Geez. An NTA or summons. Because an NTA and I don't. The summons things was kind of towards the end of my career. But an nta, a notice to appear is a, is a ticket giving you a court date. You don't have to be arrested, but it is a court date. But there's a lot of stipulations that have to be met with that you have to have, you can't have any failure to appears in court. You have to have an address on file that's credible. So usually when you're dealing with real bags, they've all always missed court at some point and they have no good address. So I never used NTAS I was taking people to jail. Not 90 year old women I'm sure. What's her name? Margaret. Jennifer Margaret something.

[B]

Whatever it is, I forget.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure she's got a, a home address she's probably been at for 78 out of the 90s.

[B]

She has a local address, she has an ID I just look at.

[A]

And then Target wants this PR. Dude, this is really bad PR.

[B]

Yeah, but right away Target sliding. Nobody's mentioning that, right? Nobody said anything about Target in the news article. Like that would be my point of the news article. Like Target Enterprises, Target Inc, Whatever it is, they decided to prosecute. They also they kind of went, they didn't go crazy against the cops, but it was more like oh poor her. But that would be the bottom line from my article. But dude, does Target control the media? Do the same people own all the things blackrock or the same group of people involved in all the stuff. So Target gets no flack for telling the cop y for $170 I want to prosecute an old lady.

[A]

Like and for anybody that does not know if you're not a cop. Most states I'm assuming especially and I can speak for Florida, it is a for something like this you have to have a victim that wants to press charges. Usually like I said for it could be a 17 year old John Tavius that's stolen from there multiple times. Sometimes even a problem, a problem person. They finally have him in custody and you're like hey, do you want to press charges? And they're like no, just trespass them. Like we don't want to be part of that. We don't want to be part of the tide of the court. It's very bizarre that Target wanted to prosecute. Now this could be a manager but Target also has is very good at hiring like their leadership and their management. They're. They're usually hired from within. It takes years to get to those levels. Team leaders as they're called. And it's not some kangaroo gas station employee that's making this. This is a call from probably even Asset Protection who's very well briefed on targets, goals and what they want to do. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, I, I think that would be if I was, if I was in charge of the news. That would be more of the story. I mean, that you can't let the co. I mean the people that decided to take her in as well, like, I don't know, if they don't know, they can issue an nta. That's what good supervisor supervision would teach you. Like a 90 year old woman in the back of the car, into the jail, into booking, like, and then the news goes straight to two, one, one and help and all that. So me in my head, if I'm sergeant, I show up or I get that call and deputy says, hey, sorry, I gotta, I got a hot one. I got, you know, Mildred here, 90, she stole like 170 grand. She's going through problems and I'm like, yeah, she's single at 90, you know, her, her Social Security from 1840 is probably very little money, right? So I would imagine with the rent increases and everything else is going on, Grandma probably has some financial problems because she retired, you know, 20 years before I was born. Maybe that would be the call. Like, right, like do we call dcf, do we call like some resources and say, hey, you know, because if Granny's, let's put it, let's, let's compound this too. Let's use our heads, you know, together we have like a quarter of a brain. If Granny's in Target on July 2 stealing $170 worth of groceries because she's down and broke, what does going to jail do for Granny? It sets her back further, right? She's going to have a bond maybe. I don't know if the ROR what her bond end up being.

[A]

Oh my God, I couldn't imagine, dude.

[B]

But I, I mean where do they

[A]

put a nine year old woman in the county jail, dude, that's what I'm saying.

[B]

So now you're, you know, I mean, I guess the good news is she can eat, right? She'll get some food. But you know, now she's got a bond out or even ror. It's no money, but now she's on the hook for some type of fine. Maybe down the road she's embarrassed. Turn now, you know, the lady next door. No, it's just a compounding run.

[A]

Here's the thing, man, honestly, you Pull somebody up here. We're. We're going off the fact that Margaret, or whatever her name is, is. Is a upstanding citizen in a hard time. I will go with that because I have no reason to think otherwise. It is possible that she has a history. She's not a good person.

[B]

And maybe first arrest in this county.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Anyways, first arrest in the modern era of Internet in the last 60 years that they tracked it. I looked.

[A]

All right, so let's look at driving on suspended license. Let's play this. And this is a very common offense, traffic offense in Florida. There's two ways to do it. There's driving on a suspended license with knowledge. That means as an officer, you can very easily articulate that they knew their driver's license was suspended. I'm not going to go into that, but there's tons of avenues. You can go, questions you can ask that they're going to answer, or databases you can check. Then there's driving without knowledge. That means your license was suspended, most likely in some weird administration way. And you. And you might not have known. So you get a guy, you pull him over. Hey, Joe. You call back to his car. You know your license is suspended. Joe looks at you and goes, I have no idea. Joe's got a physical ID Still. Joe's like, I just moved. Like a couple weeks ago. A couple months ago, right? I just moved. I did. Hey, Joe, do you switch insurances lately? Yeah, I switched from Progressive to Geico. Okay, here's the deal, man. Your driver's license is suspended. You know, there's ways if somebody. And I can tell you right now, maybe Joe's not in or. Let's go. Even speeding tickets. Yeah, man, I'm paying it off. Blah, blah, blah. Like issuing somebody a court date or a fine, if you know it in your bones they're trying to get right. I've been forced. I'm telling you, I have been forced in my life before. I was a cop to drive or I wouldn't have a apartment and food. I had to go to work and I had to ride dirty. It's just. It is what it is and people will tell you. What do you expect me to do? They took my license because I couldn't pay the fines. And I don't know. I don't. I can't go to work. Well, you need to go get a Cinderella license. Okay. Or I got to take my kids to school. Like what? So I've always been a firm believer that if you're not going to, better that person's life or really they're not maliciously doing anything. I don't. Why would I write them a ticket? And I didn't write speeding tickets, but I wouldn't even write them a court thing. That's just me, though.

[B]

No, there's. There's definitely times I get the insurance game. There's a lot of time with the other one was, which was popular, is you got three cars. You sell one, and you throw your tag in the garage and go about your life. And you. Your insurance company still thinks you have a car because you didn't turn the tag in. The DM or DMV thinks you still have a car because you didn't turn the tag in. And then they suspend your license for having a tag out without a. Without insurance. I've seen that one before as well. You have to use discretion, I think, and I think where you're going with that is that discretion is something that we use as cops, right? We've let. Like you said, you've let guys for, like, weed go. You've let guys for other things go. You've let suspended driver's licenses go. We've all let something go. Where we go, you know, this guy. This guy told me a story. I believe it. He's down on his luck. Like, like I said, I always use, like, the Hispanic dudes, man. Like, dude's got 4 billion palm fronds in the back of his, you know, Toyota pickup. He's working all day, and you get him, he's got, like, a suspended license. You're like, all right, bro. Like, I get it, man. Like. Like, this is the one. I'm gonna give you the warning on this one. Like, I know this is what it's for. You have to go get it fixed, and then you kind of, like, cut them loose. That's where like, the human factor of law enforcement comes in, where people think they want, like, rules across the board. Robot Robocop, like, everybody goes, well, in that case, grandma goes, right? In Robocop world, grandma goes, she committed a crime, and she goes to jail.

[A]

The human side of you gives. Has feelings, has remorse, and, like, yeah,

[B]

you know, I have an updated picture. I got an updated picture. She did end up in gen pop, and there's an updated picture of how she ended up once she came out.

[A]

You should have put a counterculture shirt on her, bro. What are you doing?

[B]

It was quick, dude. I did that in five seconds, dude. So that happened. There's what happens when she looks like

[A]

she's gonna be On Ian Bick here soon.

[B]

Yeah, grandma's gonna be on Ian Big. This is what happens when you put an elderly woman in jail and gen pop.

[A]

So what do you, what do you, what are you thinking? Hey, no, but seriously, people call on their worst days, they'll call the police crying or stressed out and you're like how the. Is this a police issue? Like there's a lot of.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

They call you because you are the police. You have been bred since you were a child to go to the police. If there's something bad happening to you that translates into an adult, you will call the police for things. And the police have to go, ma', am, this is. There's nothing I can do. So that being said is important to always understand that as a cop you are there to help the community, help them. You, it's not always about busting criminals. It's not always about arresting people. You are there because people need your help. And when you can see it in your like and you feel it in your heart that somebody is down and out and the government's letting them, like letting them down, it's your call to make that discretion. Are you going to help this? It's if it's 27 year old John Tavius, he hasn't had a license in 10 years and he's driving around being a. Take him to jail, tow the car, make it hard on him to, to live a life of, of criminal activity. But it doesn't always go.

[B]

That's how we used to, you know, I mean that was, that was the way to get people off the streets that were smoking crack. In the 2000s when I was out there we, we couldn't catch them buying the cracker or they'd eat it. So he just kept stroking them. Stop sign, ticket, stop sign ticket, stop sign ticket. Then the next time they come back, failure to pay traffic fine, suspended DL now jail, jail, jail. So the next five times they came to buy crack and they slipped out on me and didn't. Or ate it, they went to jail for suspended license. Although I was looking for drugs and trying the ultimate goal was to keep them off the streets. So you're absolutely right. It just this one. I don't know man. I just look at it like, go ahead.

[A]

Well let's say it's government assisted 21 1. I'm jumping to conclusions because 411611911 are all government programs for you to call in. So you're telling me. Do you know for a fact because I'm not going to argue with you if you know more than I do. But two one, one government assistance for finances seems to be like a. A government funded things and I would not be happy as a taxpayer if I was. If I was hurting to pay my bills and then my tax dollars were going to help somebody else pay their bills.

[B]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

[A]

I'm not, I'm not the donation based or.

[B]

No, no, that's government funded too. I'm sure they take what is sheriff.

[A]

Well, sheriff folks, are you going to get rid of this? I guess that's not your call. Never mind. You can't.

[B]

No, it's a state thing, man. I can't do that. I, I do think it's important though as, as your next sheriff of any other county. I do think it's important that our deputies understand that there are resources out there. When we run into these situations where I think the new. This. If this is improved here, here's another thing. Let me sidetrack for a minute. I'm sending down the link too. He's good. If this isn't proof that the sheriff's office is getting a pass. They just ignored all that right where it was. What agency made the arrest? Like.

[A]

Well they're getting a pass per se but they're also being blamed and like you said.

[B]

Yes, they. The name. They didn't say which county, they didn't say who it was. Like they just said Vero beach. Which it wasn't Vero Beach. It was, it was working technically Vero beach. But it was in your county sheriff's office that made the arrest. So what I'm. My sidetrack mission of that was this guy that I'm running against gets a pass for from the media because as the sheriff I would make sure. Hey guys, we're not going to take 90 year old women to jail.

[A]

Dude, you can't take the hit for every out there with a badge.

[B]

No, but you can't. But you have.

[A]

None of my deputies would make a dumbass call like that.

[B]

Okay, okay. So next week it happens again. Am I responsible because I didn't say anything to the deputies or should I go talk?

[A]

Yeah, but it's gonna happen the first time. I don't remember the Last time in 90 I can remember in Orange county,

[B]

right when I got another one, same count.

[A]

An old lady got taken for weed at Disneyland. They arrested her physical weed, Piper, weed, vape or whatever the old ladies are doing nowadays. But I mean target skated on this one like you said on purpose.

[B]

Target I think skated on purpose. I sent down the link, but I'm. If I'm in charge, if I'm, if I'm the guy, instead of worry about who can follow Dilks's page and who can, like what and how we can fire people that like him and all that stuff, I would say we dodged a bullet on this one, right? I got enough problems. I've been, I've had affairs. My budget's a mess. He was on TV yesterday again screaming about his budget like, I got all these problems. I don't need another 90 year old lady. He's got two dead bodies. We're gonna play one of those calls later. He's got two dead bodies 15ft apart. Unknown circumstances. He was on the news today. I would say, hey guys, I'm gonna give you guys a layup. Don't get me on the news for arresting another 90 year old woman. Let's know about these resources because we go to all this mandatory training for like Alzheimer's patients and how to deal with the elderly and all these companies and functions around the county. I'm sure you guys, like I said, the differences in our two agencies I can't compare because of how big you guys are. I know there's just things you guys can't do, but we're not as big. So there's a lot of other things we did in a smaller community that we have knowledge of. That information because of poor training and leaders is not being passed down. I can tell you I had enough common sense at 2, 3 years, 5 years on the job. If I ended up in that scenario, I'm like, I'm calling Sarge. Like, dude, this doesn't seem right. Like they want me to take this 90 and I would make the decision on my own. At this point in my life. I understand after 20 years that lady's not going inside the jail, but even if I was on the fence, I would be like, does this, this doesn't feel right.

[A]

I don't agree with you, dude. I feel like if you have to be on the fence for arresting a 90 year old lady and you don't understand what petty theft is, I think you're a.

[B]

That's what I'm trying not to say that but that that's the trickle down effect of bad training and poor knowledge through the FTO program.

[A]

Here's the thing. That's not a 90 year old lady with $10,000 worth of PlayStations. That's a phone call. Hey, this is a PR nightmare. She deserves to go. Yes, but what are we doing as far as that, her being 90 Sarge like that one. Cool. Make the call. 90 year old lady stealing 137 worth of food. Dude, that's an easy call.

[B]

That who posts Miranda. The first words out of her mouth are I'm, I'm on hard times. Yeah, yeah, we know you're 90. And like I said, you're 90 and your Social Security is probably 11amonth because you're started collecting it before, you know, before I was born. That was my point is like we have to understand that she's probably not well off and husband's been dead 25 years and kids are probably in another state. She's in Florida. Like all those little things that would go off in my head like this probably isn't it even like you said, driving on suspended. Granny's not going to jail for that. Granny's getting in the car. We're getting her. We're calling family. We're trying to track down.

[A]

I'm calling my zone partner Mike to come drive Granny's car to her house.

[B]

Well, I'm also going to call like, yeah, I'm gonna also be calling. I'm going to be digging through my CAD system trying to find a relative or somebody up north or somebody and be like, hey, your grandma's at Target, you know, stealing. Like we got, we need some help down here. We had people like that. There was a couple of really old people I think this age or older that kept threatening each other and they were in domestics and unfortunately sometimes there's not much you can do. You can't like bring them in your home and, and America kind of didn't have a plan for people to get this old and like still be around and resources and that's a whole nother topic. But you know, I remember standing on calls for hours like, hey, you're up in Michigan, your parents are down here like a disaster. We have to help them. So there's like that human thing should kick in. There's crime. There's like you said, there's a dude who robs a bank. There's a dude who steals a PlayStation or a TV or you know, goes behind the counter and grabs oxycodone and runs out like those guys that have to go. Granny doesn't go, man, Granny doesn't go.

[A]

Well one I can't find it now. It's way up there. But Meg said, you know, it's funny that Target is a epicenter for human trafficking. I don't know much about that but I do know Target is an epicenter for putting out. Do you remember like a year ago when some clothing line was putting out like really, really disgusting things for kids and like Target's been a part of that. Yes, like I said, the BlackRock thing, targets part of that. The reason why a lot of people a couple years ago were going how can these companies survive in this woke culture when people are literally. What do you call it when you don't boycotting them. Right. Millions of dollars lost. Well it's because BlackRock supplements them with that money as long as they push the agenda. So as that is the easiest way to say it when you look at Bud Light or you look at Target, I'm not saying Bud Light's a part of this but it's possible. And they do something stupid and the entire country turns against them for something stupid and you're like. And they double down on it. That's bad business. If me and Mike said right now we said something that we lost 95 of our audience and then we doubled down on it, people would go wow, they, there's an agenda there. At some point they just wanted to sabotage that and. But they're surviving financially because they get the money from BlackRock. This is not, this is not very hard.

[B]

Yeah. Target would be obviously a very liberal agenda filled company. I look at like Walmart more of just a powerhouse when it comes to like ruining America.

[A]

They don't give a no.

[B]

They just, they want to ruin all small business and just get rid of everybody. Target is a unique place because you're right. They during the LBGBTQ community, the pride shirts and all this stuff at the front when you walk in.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Targets in it just to ruin your life. Find you know, they're just big business. I don't really think.

[B]

Yeah. Different. And then you know.

[A]

Sorry, did I say Target?

[G]

I meant Walmart.

[A]

Walmart's shut down hardware.

[B]

Walmart's a monster. Yeah. And. And you know what I think though is funny is Walmart is what's our. Is the epicenter of our. We've had like three or four shootings in the Walmart parking lot. It's. It's like the hub of anywhere county for all the problems. And obviously shoplifting. Shoplifting is the first cameras we put in that we were able to watch. The first thing we chose to watch was the Walmart parking lot from, from the road because of all the nut nutty calls and all that stuff. But they even use a little bit more of a discretion system. When it's like this, Walmart's like yeah, we're just going to trust like you talked about. I know Walmart would not have taken this lady to jail. Walmart would have been like yeah, just nta. But, but then that's where the deputy has to understand they don't get to tell you what to do. Walmart or, or, or Target doesn't get to say take this one to jail nta, this one. That's not up to them. You are the ultimate decision maker. And when you see a 90 year old woman like you talked about, you write that up and, and to send it to the prosecutor and say hey, this lady's got no resources, she's out of money, no family. She went to Target and, and did this. This is the call that like there's a, you, you, you do it. There's nothing that says in a property crime like this that you have to make an arrest. And I think that's where unfortunately common sense has to come in.

[A]

And we, the producer chair lost their mouse. Are you able to function without a mouse, Eli? It's a desktop computer, so there's no mouse. Paddle. Go check over right. Go out of the room into the main room and look and see if there's AAA batteries on that Rubbermaid. Left, left. There you go.

[B]

My mouse I think I left behind. It probably has batteries.

[A]

I'm looking at it.

[B]

Yeah, I got the backup right here,

[A]

but yeah, no, oh yeah. Grab those if there's double A's in there. Grabbed, but yeah. Anything on the old lady that you want to keep going on before we move on?

[B]

No, I think that's, you know, I think that's a common sense thing. I think it's, I don't know. Like I said, if I was in charge, I'm not going to fire anybody. I'm not going to go crazy. I was sure I would definitely want to make it clear to everyone that hey, this one went kind of under the radar. That's a good thing. Let's not, let's, let's, let's do that different next time is what I would say.

[A]

There's no double triple A's in there. AAA's the little ones. Yeah. Sorry, did I say double? So somebody man, it's way up there. But I don't know how they already noticed. Somebody already noticed that we were private. We were making a lot of videos private in, in the comments they said something about it. So what the reason why Anti Hero, the llc, which we are the broadcast Is making videos private is strictly an analytical thing. We cannot read data or make any improvements or any business decisions because of the dramatic change. Change in platform that we did. It's, it's. It is two wildly separate shows. What it was last year to what has become now. We didn't private, we didn't make. We're losing money on this, by the way, making these videos private. Make no mistakes about it. The old videos are in the process of being made private. They have to be one by one. So it takes a while. And it's not out of any malice or it's strictly because we can't tell who's coming for what, who's staying for what. It's like having two shows on a platform and trying to figure out one show, but all the analytics are messed up. So the videos are going to be private for now. You got it. Oh, here you go. And. And it. What will be available for members only is I think episodes one through like 40. Some are going to be the old stage one. Tyler anti hero. We had somebody else co host with us that you guys know that is stage two Anti Hero. And we are. I would. This is just the easiest way to stay at stage three. We're just a 20. Totally, totally different format and we cannot analyze with two different shows. So even if we put them at behind a paid wall, a paywall, it still puts it in the analytics and we can't figure out why people are coming. Like even clicking a link, like we have our data guy, we have a media company that, that we're working with and everybody's trying to wrap their head around some analytics and they're like, if you don't do this, we'll never figure it out. So we have to do it. Not saying that they'll stay private forever, but as of right now, were they season.

[B]

What would you call them? Season one or what was it? Stage what. What stage does Jimmy fall into?

[A]

Stage three, our old one. But it was the broadcast form. Anti Hero broadcast started a He gets his own spot. Yeah, the Jimmy Chronicles. But I think Jimmy was gone or on his way out when we started. Five days a week. If you guys remember, when we started the broadcast, we were only live two days a week. We were live Mondays and Thursdays. And then we made the jump to. To three days or five days a week, two in studio. Now we're five days a week, three in studio. So we're climbing up. But yeah, this is. It was. It was tall. Near 998. If anybody really desperately Wants to watch something, by all means, contact me and I can put like, your email in the approved users and you can go watch it. I mean, it's. It's not. This isn't like a type thing. This is just strictly for analytics. They're. They're privatized or not deleted. But it's a. It's just a different show. And we can't have people. We can't be paying for marketing, having people go anti hero, seeing something that's wildly different from a year and a half ago, watching that, liking it. And then going to me and Mike today and going, well, that's different than what I just watched. And you're. It's already like, well, it's different. So I kind of don't like it as much. They have. The people that come in have to see the store they're walking into for what it is today. So that's it. Thought those episodes were tied up in litigation or something along. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's just strictly an analytical thing. But it's crazy. I started doing that this morning. The bit. The decision was made last night, and I started doing it this morning. And you already noticed. Yeah. Thank you. It's a. That is. Eli said. That's a. That's a true supporter. I appreciate it.

[B]

You want to knock the giveaway out?

[A]

Yeah, let's do it.

[B]

All right, let's go. A number between. Hold on one and 48.

[A]

One and what?

[B]

48. I'm not looking. So just tell me because I'm looking at the list.

[E]

All right.

[A]

1 1. It is

[B]

small. This customer's name is. God, I can't see.

[E]

Dude.

[B]

Carter. Carter850. Carter 859.

[A]

Put an app.

[B]

Somebody put that in there for me that he won. You don't mind?

[A]

Carter 859. And this was what. For what platform?

[B]

This is that 99 app.

[A]

Okay. So that's the only one we got.

[B]

Yep, that's the last one. Everything else is out. Everybody's good. So Carter8 59 is the customer name, and he has won a giveaway in the app.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Beautiful 29.

[A]

Dominic, you said it's coming on?

[B]

Yeah, 15 minutes.

[A]

Got anything you want to cover?

[B]

Yeah. So, yeah, I got it. So separate from. I'm gonna play that nine. One call that came up earlier. We had back to back the irony. We had back to back dead bodies, like 15ft apart, 30ft apart. But they only found one one day. The sheriff's office. New York county sheriff's office got A call. I'll give the call in a minute. Had a dead body. They came out, they did the whole thing, and then, like, left. Then, like, the next day, another dead body was found, like, right next to that one. And. But I want to play. This 911 call kind of went viral online. So this was. This is the 911 call into.2 gentlemen finding a dead body.

[E]

Yes. Me and my cousin, we just got over the Sebastian River. The bridge. Like, soon as you get over the bridge, and we're on Sebastian's side and we're going fishing, and. Oh, ma', am, it's a dead body out here. Okay. What do you mean? We were about to walk in the water and wave, and my cousin was like, it looked like somebody laying down there resting. I'm like, no, he looked dead.

[A]

Is it a person?

[E]

You're sure it's a person? It's a person, man. He's laying face down there. He's changed colors and all. Okay.

[A]

He's like, face down. Is it in the water?

[E]

No, ma', am. He's not in the water. He's, like, on the shore. He's on the shore.

[A]

Is it under the bridge?

[E]

No, ma'. Am. He's like, okay. You know the Sebastian Bridge, right? Yeah, river bridge. Okay. Soon as you get ready to come into Brevard county, like, right there at the line. We were right here at the line. We were. We were walking down to go away to go fishing, and we saw the body land face down. And it's on the shore right by the water. Yes, ma'. Am. Yes, ma'. Am. We can stand. We can stand on the side of the road.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Somebody to come.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

And you said he's.

[A]

He's different colors.

[E]

Yes. No, he's turned colors. Okay.

[B]

How do you think of that?

[F]

Yeah, ma'.

[E]

Am.

[A]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[B]

Listen, I want you to hear the beginning. Listen, the beginning. The dispatch is horrible. Like, I don't know who it is. Hopefully I don't know them. But the very beginning, I want the two, obviously.

[A]

Jay, is the water near you?

[G]

Like, just.

[B]

The questions are out. Like, but look how he sets it up to make sure that they know he didn't kill this person. He's like, listen again.

[E]

Yes. Me and my cousin, we just got over the Sebastian River. The bridge. Like, soon as you get over the bridge and we're on Sebastian's side and we're going fishing, and. Oh, man, it's a dead body out here, ma'. Am.

[B]

Like, he didn't want to just say there's a dead body here. He wants to make sure he understands.

[A]

I was just coming from Walmart. I was there at 3, 10pm Yep.

[B]

I got my bait. But, I mean, let's listen to it again. Just listen to her line of questions and what she says.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

What do you mean, ma'?

[E]

Am?

[B]

I found a dead body. What do you mean? I think it was pretty clear.

[E]

We were about to walk in the water, and Wade and my cousin was like, it looked like somebody laying down there resting. I'm like, no, he looked dead.

[A]

Is it a person?

[E]

You're sure it's a person?

[B]

Is it a person? Are you sure it's a person?

[A]

I'm glad for not losing his temper with her. I would have been like, dude, give me somebody else.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

He's laying face down, dead. He's changed colors and all. Okay.

[A]

He's like, face down. Is it in the water?

[E]

No, ma', am, he's not in the water. He's like, on the shore. He's on the shore.

[A]

Is it under the bridge?

[B]

Like, I can't anymore.

[E]

I can't.

[A]

Pretty good, man.

[B]

That's funny, right? Like, I thought, like, he. He made it very clear, like, hey, I was going fishing. I wasn't doing anything else. I didn't shoot anybody. I'm just going fishing. And. And he says, we have a dead body. And she says, what do you mean? Like, well, I just told you what I meant. I can see if there was, like, chaos and all that going on, and I understand it's a difficult job. I'm not. I did it for a while. I get it. But he was very, very, very clearly descriptive. There was no, like, yes, man.

[D]

He's very.

[B]

You got the guy in the background, like, no, he's dead. Like, what?

[A]

The background.

[E]

Don't tell.

[C]

I'm with you.

[B]

Yeah, So I thought that was. Yeah, we had that one, and then literally, they cleaned that scene up, left and came. And the next day, a second one comes in, like, right near that one, and there's another dead body. The.

[E]

The.

[B]

You know, the conspiracy starts here in this county. It always does about a serial killer. We do have a seraco that lives in this county. That's another interesting story.

[A]

But currently.

[B]

Yeah, but in this case. I'll get to that. I'll get to that part. I'll get to that.

[A]

The.

[B]

That bridge that he's talking about, there's a. It goes right into Brevard county, and on just the other side of that bridge is a big area called Barefoot Bay, that's known for, like, drug users, and it's like trailer park. So they come across the bridge into our county. That little area is just a strange place. So that's why there's a lot of homeless, a lot of drugs, and that's why they. They do that. But, yeah, we have a. We have a. Accused, should have been arrested. Serial killer, lives in Indiana County.

[A]

Oh, so everybody knows he did it, but he wasn't.

[B]

Yeah, he killed, like, five people. There's some really strong evidence. In one of the cases that happened in Osceola. He brought her here, cleaned out her bank account, brought her back. This is like 20, 25 years ago, and I have no idea why they never made the arrest. It's. It's. I. I'm probably gonna do an episode on one of these days on. On Cobb. It's.

[D]

It's pretty.

[A]

Well, you get your case guys on it.

[B]

We already did. I actually went and sat in Osceola county when they looked us in the face and said the main suspect isn't the suspect. And it's like, they're just nuts. So it was a lot of the ball got dropped 25 years ago. DNA wasn't a thing. Crime scenes, if you remember watching the old. Even OJ where they were picking up with their hands and moving it around, there was a lot of that. But this dude legitimately has killed four or five people, lives less than a mile away from me, and he's living free, man. Allegedly.

[A]

Your wife Jojo gave a great super chat. She said, I gotta find it. But speaking of old episodes, here's a super chat. Just ducking you guys off like old time.

[B]

Yeah, probably meant to be.

[C]

Jojo.

[A]

Those were like, in the 400s, dude.

[B]

Yeah, I know. She's got the money too, so send it.

[A]

Oh, man, that's crazy that you have a real serial killer there. I mean, yeah, if they it up in court, then there's really nothing they can do.

[B]

No, it wasn't court. No, it was pre court. It's a. They're very interesting cases. And I actually tried reaching out to one of the family members of one of the people and. And having them on, but they didn't want to do it. And I know enough about one of the cases to really dive into it. But I. I know in the case that I'm talking about, they wrote a search warrant on the suspect's truck. And when the search warrant was submitted, the judge said, where's the arrest warrant? There's probable cause for the arrest. And they didn't do it. And had. They had done it back then with the, with the, you know, now you have to have DNA, right? There's. You're not going to get it. Back then, there wasn't DNA. So they, at the, for the times they had enough evidence, in my opinion. There was so much circumstantial evidence and his own father even identified him in a picture and it just never went so.

[A]

Man, that's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, I know right where he lives. I know where he goes and gets his pizza. He used to go to my gym until he saw me in there and he stopped going. But interesting fell.

[A]

They should do a Netflix special on him.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it's probably because you'd have to use the words allegedly so much because he's never been charged except for one. He got caught on the last one. He shot the guy. The guy got the gun away from him and shot him. And he went to jail for aggravated battery instead of attempted murder. And he got like.

[A]

They didn't link the other ones to him.

[B]

They. They couldn't. There's no DNA. They knew he did them at the time he did it. They knew he did it. They just couldn't, you know, back then they relied on.

[A]

Well, what about the, the surge of DNA now?

[B]

But no, they tried. I know the one, one of the big cases was a very young lady who he used to live next door to that ended up dead just in Fort Pierce. And they tried to get the old car mats and they retried everything with the new DNA technology. You got to remember at one point, DNA technology, you had to have the root of the hair. So if it came out of the body and plucked, you couldn't just use the piece of it. You had to have the root. Technology has gotten better where you can actually use just pieces, but they don't have, they didn't have enough on that case. We went pretty, we went pretty crazy, man. We did some really wild things. You know, one time we brought him in and put all the crime scene photos all over the walls. And, you know, he couldn't look at it. He knew there's. Everything's there except unfortunately, the slam dunk piece of evidence.

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[A]

All right, We've got Dominic Izzo here with us, still in rehab.

[C]

You got an app down, man. Holy.

[B]

Yeah, you should see it, dude.

[C]

First you bench more than me. Well, not yet more than me. And then. Yeah, you have an app more than me, man. It's ridiculous.

[B]

We can get you one. Tell them about the. Yeah, tell them about the company.

[C]

I'm not that I. I've been listening about the company. I think it's a fantastic case you're working with people like that.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, well, we got. When we got it, it was brought to us, it was presented to us by some guys that were like, you know, apps cost 40 to 70k to make. And I'm like, yeah, it sounds like expensive. They're like, it does not take anywhere close to that in labor to make it. It's just that right now that is the going rate. So until somebody cuts that price in half and goes in all reality, this is how much an app really costs because there's a little bit of maintenance to it. There's a little bit of. There's always bug fixes. Just like, you got to refresh Instagram or update it. Like, so there is a little post maintenance but making the app. People who make apps are just raping people left and right.

[C]

Can't rape the willing.

[B]

You still gone, huh? Cali, how's it going?

[C]

Yeah, out here until love. It's 26, so it's good. The weather's fantastic back home where they get tornadoes and people are drowned in late kids are drowning lakes and like that because of storms.

[E]

You know

[B]

what?

[C]

Yeah, that's a heavy down.

[B]

What was our latest venture? Oh, Haley. We saw the Haley. The Haley video, you know.

[C]

No, I didn't.

[B]

You didn't see it?

[C]

No, I didn't.

[B]

Send me the video. I'll get. I'll get it up.

[C]

This is a former Chicago police officer who went to Florida and then came back up to Chicago after the debacle of being a. Having an engaged cop down in Florida. Comes back up here and then goes to Des Plaines, Illinois, which is. It somewhat borders Chicago. It's not that far from it at all. It's a very busy town. It's a very good agency. One of my close friends from years ago is their patrol captain or control commander, I think. And it's. She goes there and I'm like, I don't even think she's asked. She hasn't been there a year and she's already doing crap again.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Well, here's the thing that drives me completely nuts about her is she lives and I hate to say this, but I have to say it. Her fame or her attempted fame lives off the death of poor Ella French.

[C]

Why would you hate to say it? That is 100.

[B]

I hate saying it for. I mean Ella French, you know, was killed in the line of duty. It sucks that somebody who claims to be close to her has used that unfortunate death to capitalize on. So I don't hate to say it for Haley's because she's a piece of. But to even bring it up that you know, obviously the body cam just came out on that video and there's some. There's some errors that were made there and. And whatever.

[C]

And how many of those errors. How many of those errors wouldn't have been made if maybe Ella French had stayed off of social media while working, focused on her job and trained more. I said that two years ago and I got a ton of where all you saw was Haley posting non stop Mimi me selfies and videos of her and Ella French. Well, maybe if the two of them just stop around online and train more, French wouldn't be a dead today.

[B]

Yeah. And I think. And the Crazier part is like we were talking earlier about arresting the old lady and making a. Making a change of that is she saw her friend get killed. Who they were both not taking the job serious. And you would think maybe that would wake her up to like, hey, I'm gonna change. I'm gonna do some things differently. And instead she wrote a book on how to become a police officer as a female. As a female who absolutely does nothing

[C]

to prepare network marketing line. Yeah, she's part of a shampoo company for network marketing. Yeah.

[B]

So here's the latest video that this is. This is lifechanging. Just everybody's ready. There you go. There it is. That's a police officer who the caption says, preparing for her Netflix documentary about being a woman in law enforcement. And she holds a vest and play it again. And she just weirdly looks around the room.

[A]

Did she just get roasted in her comments?

[C]

I was roasted.

[B]

No.

[E]

In the comments.

[C]

No. I will guarantee you that her co workers are probably sick of her already.

[B]

Well, I said that to somebody. Somebody messaged me. When I put. I posted a screenshot of it. Joanna posted the video. I posted a screenshot and then a comment that somebody left. She'll block everyone who leaves a negative comment. She lives in a delusional world. But I gave him a dom response. Somebody said something. I said, who? You work up there, What? Call her captain, call her agency and make a complaint. Like,

[C]

Dan Shanahan runs the patrol division.

[B]

I'm gonna write that.

[C]

Great guy, Dan Shanahan, he has been there. He's gonna be there close to 30 years. And the man is, he's a fantastic, fantastic ambassador for law enforcement. And I'm surprised he's tolerating this.

[B]

Like that video to me is like when I was like 11, right? 9, 11. I was in the backyard. If I had a video camera back then, I would have been winning the Super Bowl. I would have been taking the game winning shot. I'd be on a Netflix documentary. But she's a grown 30 something year old witch and she's setting up the camera and pretending that she's getting ready to be on a Netflix documentary. She will probably end on a documentary and it's probably going to be a very ugly one on some training post when she gets destroyed on the street by somebody. And it's going to be unfortunate because that'll be the time that I finally go full D and say, I told this stupid the truth many times and she blocked me. She got mad. She filed complaints. Instead of getting better she continued to do it. And it, it's, that's who people, more people should be mad about.

[C]

And those are the people who are showing up to your 911 calls when you need them the most. I, I, I still get uncomfortable like setting up a camera in the gym. And I know everybody does it. I remember when I, I did a pull up video in 2016. I went to a park that we had on duty and I parked my squad car and I looked around and I, because it was on day shift and there was nobody there, did those pull ups. I hurried up and I skid out. I was so freaking out I was gonna get caught. I was so embarrassed. If you've seen these new cops, they will set their stuff up. Haley's here. Haley's got a video of her and during the day, and it's like something about responding when a female response, a cop responds. As you see her, she gets out of the squad car from a front position, walks up to this camera, looks around like this, and then walks up and puts her makeup on just like this. And you know that tripod was set up on the street or in a parking lot during the daytime. Her car was angled. No shame whatsoever. I can't, I just can't fathom what the public thinks about, oh, you gotta humanize that badge, honey. And then when your daughter gets raped and you got to call 911 because you can't get any information out of her, she's panicking and you hoping that they send the best and brightest there you get some. I got, give me a second. I gotta, I gotta put the camera away. I gotta do one more take or I'm in the middle of editing. I can't comprehend their mindset on how they do this job and social media.

[B]

I agree. And as I would consider myself an expert witness in this area, I never had a tripod. But I do understand the mental things that people that are doing this can kind of go through. Unfortunately for me, it lasted very short time. Completely embarrassed by it, and I own it completely. But from there I went upward and then got into very serious training and all that stuff. For somebody to be stuck in this area for years now, this has been three or four years to be stuck over and over. To go through the Ella French incident, to have the video released, to continue to go to police week and wear spandex and a gun on your hip and just mock and walk up to people in mock interview for all the wrong reasons. It just, it shows. And she's one of hundreds and thousands honestly that do this. And then my point to all this is she then writes a book and young undeveloped females see her on tick tock and think that is the job and this is what I can expect. And then that creates the problem you're talking to where we have a whole fleet of females that are completely unprepared and then they get punched in the mouth or they get a firework goes off next to them or something happens and oh Lebron James man. Because they completely melt down because they didn't expect this to happen. So that is my overall issue with her is like like JoJo said, what adult human cop with the ability to take your life and your freedom sets a camera up in their living room, takes all the equipment off their vests, holds it and stares at the wall multiple times. And I just, I don't know.

[C]

And how many takes did it take her to do that?

[B]

And it's edited.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

You see like the chops. So it's like yes.

[C]

How many times did she take to just sit there? I don't like that because we know how critical women are that I don't like. I look at this. Oh oh too fan. And this a mobile. It's like holy man. Holy.

[B]

We just saw it happen you know locally with the girl with the rest my vest. Then they're selling products. So it's like is that is there a connection to the job, the badge and and profit.

[C]

It's a department policy violation. Every agency has that you secondary employment.

[B]

That area there is like a direct suburb of Chicago. Right. So there's some explains.

[C]

Yeah this plains has displays has easy, incredibly easy access to the city from highways. They got a very, very European population, a lot of Russian, a lot of Polish, a lot of Hispanic. They get displays is big and they work and they've got a lot of problems. So it's so yeah how's she fucking around? But I still one thing that I can guarantee you because we did we had a retired Chicago police officer come up by us Chicago Bob. And they, they do this. I've. I've known many cpd. I'm. I'm the real police. That's their attitude. So I can only imagine what the men and women of displays after had to go through when Haley got hired and how non stop she probably was. Well when I was a cpd. Well when I was a cpd well they had better shut the up. I hate cops like that and she's got to be one of them.

[A]

Hey, we got a super chat from Jefferson Newbie for 10 bucks. Dominic, watch the show 2021. It was about Q or QAnon. Pretty sure.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. I watched the Janet's Osbard video, which you can't find anywhere. It was a 10 part, 30 minutes per part, so three hours documentary which was probably one of the greatest documentaries I've ever seen on the QAnon. And what I found really fascinating was the whole adrenal chrome. And I was like, damn, this is amazing. I wasn't too big on Trump. Time traveled and there was all this guy. So I. But it opened up with the mass immigration, illegal immigration. And that had me hooked to how you got. There were people with like the cleanest enclosed, walking thousands of miles like without a speck of dirt underneath their fingernails to get into the country. And it was all big on James Elephantes. If you guys have never seen that. And the Pizza Gate story. The parts 5 and 7 were specifically pizza Gate. And I believe there, I still believe every ounce of it. I think the world is Satanic. It is run by Satan. He's allowed to run this earth. I think there are rituals the same as the Catholic Church. Catholic Church is ritual. They do it Sunday, every Sunday. They perpetuate the, the, the, the, the sacrifice. So the same thing that Satanists do. And I got interviewed by Vice News. Everybody told me not to do it. I went that man. I went, I went to a cigar shop during the lockdown, the only one that would host us. We did a two hour and ten minute with Vice news. Two hours. And I had in my lapel or in my shoot a jacket. I had my phone recording the entire audio of it. They edited it down to just around five minutes to make me the biggest racist homophobe on the planet. It was great. And what really pissed me off was the female. They interviewed a bunch of people on QAnon and what they believed and whatnot. And the female who interviewed me in the documentary said no, he was scary. He was, he was scaring me. I'm like, you were flirting with me the whole time. So yeah, that was. The documentary is a QAnon documentary on Vice News. They gave me an IMDb credit. I'm listed on IMDb because of that. So yeah, that was, that was a good time. Yeah, that was 2021.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

I think get a hold of you for that. What, what?

[C]

They, they saw me. They saw my stuff. I, I had done interviews with Cenk Uyghur or, or I came from Young Turks.

[A]

He.

[C]

No, he interviewed me after that, excuse me, because they asked me if I thought Michelle Obama was a man and why I would say that online. And I said because it's sensationalism. It gets attention. Why would you not say it up online? Yeah. So then it was because. Oh you just say things to get attention. Who the doesn't? Number one, they saw some of my, my stuff where I was saying 100 I believe that we have a satanic problem in America. And I wanted that to be true and exposed because this was my view, if it is a hundred percent true, that we can show and prove that Satan runs this world, that there are demonic entities, demonic forces, all this by default, that proves the existence of Jesus Christ. So as a follower of him, I want every ounce of proof out there that he exists and he's alive today. And that would have been the ultimate proof whatsoever. Because if you have Satan you have to have Christ.

[A]

Amen.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Did the guy that dominated. What was his name? The guy you said that rant at people that you wish would turn it more pro law enforcement.

[C]

Oh, Chili de Castro.

[B]

Yeah, he commented on one of our reels.

[C]

Yeah, because he's pulling from your audience.

[B]

Yeah, he like he tries to befriend everybody.

[C]

He says he doesn't. He's not. He's not gonna make you friends. She'll eat the Castro delete laws.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He might have deleted. I'm trying to find.

[A]

Oh yeah, we talked about him. He's a good intentions. No, nothing to. No nothing to help with anything. Even calling out the police and offering to help, you know. Yes, great too. I remember probably man, this Dominic, it could be, it could be almost 10 years ago I saw this guy, white hair in a suit, spouting off all this and I'm like man, that guy's the most sexist, misogynist dude out there. I just, I was just. I didn't know. I wasn't awake at the time.

[C]

It's the delivery and I tell people I don't get a lot. I get a good number of female cops who DM me and I had some crazy retired one. Yeah one in my comment section yesterday. Say I told her I had a conversation with her that I was a 17 year state trooper who worked with the DEA. And I'm like my God, you women will say anything. But I know that's it is a regret. I should have gone with the state. I would have been cop today if so squared away. But anyways I don't remember what he's saying. I get female cops who will DM me and thank me. And I always have to say the same thing. Thank you for hearing what I'm saying over the volume of how I'm saying it. Because that's the problem is I'm. I'm loud, I'm intense, and people can't get past the message of what I'm saying. I was told this when I ran for sheriff. I had people from the black community say, you got a great message. No one will hear you because of how you say it. And I'm like, sorry, I'm not about to tone down, but, yeah, good.

[B]

I like it.

[A]

All right, man. Well, when do you leave California?

[C]

26. I'll be back on the 20th.

[A]

Yeah, okay. So you got a two day train ride?

[C]

Yeah, I take the train, go through Colorado Rockies. Look at all that.

[A]

Do you get your own little apartment, car, or do you. What do you do?

[C]

I get a. It's called a roomette. It's. It's. It's actually pretty damn decent. Your meals are paid, it's worth it, and you get to be. Just. Because if you write coach, you're with. That's how I feel. Like, on the way there, I told

[A]

everybody, Amtrak is like a Greyhound on a train track. It is. You were there with hip hop. You were sharing bathrooms with people that you're like, oh, I didn't know we'd be together. There's like domestic violence arguments behind us. I was like, this is. Then I tried to sleep.

[C]

Well, there's enough room for it. But I did ride coach on the way down, I'm like, yeah, I don't like coach the way down. And we got to Glenwood Springs, Colorado, they had to throw a guy off. And he was sitting next to me. He wouldn't. He wanted to move seats. He was arguing with the conductor, all this kind of crap. So at the Glenwood Spring station, I go, dude, shut the up. They're about to throw you off. No, they're not gonna throw me off. Well, three Glenwood Springs cops show up and. And went to throw them off and trying to foia the body camera footage because I rushed in for an assist and ripped him off the train with them. So.

[A]

Oh, man.

[C]

Old guy still has it.

[A]

Yeah,

[C]

we use wing chun and wrestling. I got a wild hair up my ass. I'm going back. And when I get back in, I'm checking out a gym to compete in master tournaments.

[B]

All right, man.

[C]

All right. Don't forget to go to diltsforsherif.com dilksforsherif.com if you have not financially contributed already. $5, a dollar, $10 here and there. This is an uphill battle that needs to be fought monetarily. You cannot get on the ballot without that. Mike's gonna have some very, very big hurdles ahead, all the way from the collecting signature process to the lawyers he's going to need for contesting signatures when the. When the. They're gonna do the Chicago method. Oh, somebody didn't dot an I here across a T. There's a lot that is involved when you run for sheriff. More than being online and just getting you guys a harump in the comment section. Jokes for Sheriff.com is going to be one of our primary missions for Cop Talk Live to support this man, get him elected in office. This is the foundational pebble in the ocean that will cause a tsunami if you believe it in Mike Dilks for what he represents, which I do. 100. Go to dilksforsher.com. donate a dollar. Donate 10. Donate 100. Find out what the maximum is you could donate. Donate it and do. Let's. Let's get this man a lectin.

[B]

Thank you so much, Dominic.

[C]

All right, guys, I'll see you later.

[A]

Mike, you're an idiot if you're not writing down these timestamps. There ain't no way you're gonna find these later on when you're. Like I said something really cool one time, right? All right.

[B]

AI, the audio.

[A]

Oh. Oh. We had Ryan. What happened? He left.

[B]

He's sick of hearing Dominic ran about Dilks for sheriff. Yeah. Sell your kidneys. Sell your kidneys. Sell everything. I got a cool video. If Ryan doesn't come back, I got cool video. He does come back. Maybe he's busy.

[A]

He went to pop on. He said something like he couldn't hear.

[B]

Well, maybe he's doing his self diagnosis.

[A]

Let me text Ryan.

[B]

No one wants Slater's kidneys. Hey, man, grab that money in the tent. Put it together, send it. Can you hear me?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Can you, Tyler?

[A]

Yeah, I can hear him. Can you hear me, Ryan?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Good afternoon from the morning, gentlemen.

[A]

Hey, were you wearing a mask earlier? Yes.

[D]

I am sick.

[A]

Oh, okay. So you're just everyday average cold. I got you. I didn't know if there was a new pandemic going around.

[D]

I am unwell, but I'm not too sick to call in sick to.

[A]

Oh, you know what? Yeah, you. You. You're a harder worker than most of the people I've come across.

[B]

Easy, easy. They'll start naming names.

[E]

What?

[A]

He probably who was I gonna name?

[B]

I. I could think of two of them off the top of my head. I'm not saying.

[A]

Oh, now you're. Now you're narrowing it down, dude.

[B]

Thank you for coming, Ryan. Even sick you are, you are the mailman of this, this operation. You're always here.

[D]

Rain, hell, sleeter, snow.

[B]

Thank you. Unless you make a trek back to the original American land for your vacation. Otherwise, he gave.

[A]

He gave us a two weeks heads up, maybe three weeks. He was letting us know on this Thursday, I will not be available. I don't think anybody's ever done that. I have to hound people like, you know, you know, it's this day, right? They're like, oh, yeah.

[D]

Or

[B]

imagine a time when Ryan pops in, everybody's greeting him in the chat. We're talking. Think about how far we've come. How long has it been now?

[D]

You know, time flies when you're having fun.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like it was just yesterday. I was yelling slurs. And then we got our real removed from Instagram. And now look at. Look at us. Look at us all getting along.

[A]

Here we are.

[D]

And I think, you know, this is the desire of folks like Karl Marx so that we, you know, working class people have, you know, find our class consciousness and find some solidarity through this consciousness and awareness that helps us kind of unlearn a lot of the propaganda that we've been fed our whole lives.

[A]

I'm still watching Yellowstone. I'm still learning a lot of what the. What our entertainment industry wants me to know about Native Americans. I've never seen it, dude. I'm telling. It's such a good show. It's actually, to be honest with you, it. It's one of those shows that make you go like, you do see where both sides are coming from, how they do. They at least going into season two, they depict how hard the Native Americans got over. And it depicts the Native Americans like there's bad Native Americans too in the show. And then it depicts, like the main character trying to keep his ranch alive. And you're like, but on what grounds? You know, and it's. It's a. It's a riveting television show to say the least.

[B]

I watch Love Island.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I think I read books. And there is a book called the Indigenous People's History of the United States written by Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz, which will help us maybe even more than a Netflix drama. And if we are talking films, then I would uplift Theaters of War, which depicts the decades long partnership between Hollywood and the DoD to produce propaganda films.

[A]

Oh, that would be a good one. I would love to watch that. I mean that's a known thing. So that's been open, like that's been out in the open. What's really intriguing to me is the CIA clearly in the last 100 years using the entertainment industry and TV and Disney to literally create propaganda. Like I love how I, I learned that conspiracy theorist was actually a word developed by the CIA to make people feel embarrassed to call out things that the CIA was doing. Do I know that to be 100 true? Absolutely not. It was in a documentary though.

[D]

Sure. And the CIA also had a project called MK Ultra which is where they tested LSD and psychedelics non consensually on veterans at the Menlo Park VA in California in partnership with Stanford. And they also had other sort of non consensual tests in San Francisco. And so if we think that, you know, that was limited to, you know, the 60s and 70s and we fast forward to the present moment with this whole veteran psychedelic military industrial complex grift, MK Ultra is still alive and well.

[A]

Wait, so are you against veterans doing the whole, what, what is all that stuff called? Ayahuasca and all that trip trippy stuff? Are you against that?

[D]

I'm for it as long as it leads to a disruption of the socioeconomic poverty, draft and morally bankrupt forever wars for empire. If it doesn't, then it's simply a fancy band aid to help us spiritually and psychologically bypass grief from our war crimes.

[A]

Okay, anybody want to keep going off that before I change subjects? Sometimes I don't. I'm not educated enough to talk about something.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I had, I have a guy who's got some pretty good feelers out in the world of cartels and smugglers. And he, he called me, he told me about the CIA. He says, you know, the CIA has agents obviously in other countries doing things and they get killed frequently, but you will never hear about it because they don't want you to know what they were doing that led them to be killed. You always hear DEA agent, FBI agent killed other countries. And we go retaliate, right. We go down there and we say, hey, we're not going to do that. But he made a claim that recently four CIA agents were killed south of the border. And you will not hear anything in the mainstream media about this because they would have to tell you why, what and what they were actually doing down there so that it's completely washed. And this is a good source. I'm not going to say who it is, but it's a good source at the whole conversation today. So that gives you the level of what is actually happening. And I think it's hard for us as Amer. Normal Americans just go, nah, that's not like government wouldn't do that. Right. We couldn't have that happen. But this comes from a very reliable place that we have our own people involved in things that we are never to know about and they can't ever talk about about and that just think about that in a large scale of America that our, our citizens are operating in other countries doing things that we will never know about. Even when they're killed, we'll never hear about it. So when you hear like some of these other minor conspiracy theories, like some of the stuff Ryan says, you can almost be like, yeah, that's kind of minor. Right? That's not even, that's not hard to grasp anymore. Like Fast and Furious, right where we were trading guns for drugs and we were.

[A]

Yeah, that should applying crazy.

[B]

Like you think about something like that. You would think that our government was giving guns to the enemy cartel. Like no way we would do that. Right? No way. But it's like, yeah, it happened and then just like the Epstein list, it just kind of went away. We know. We don't. Nobody talks about it.

[A]

Well, Ryan will love this. One thing I hate, I cannot stand. I don't hate the people, but I hate the fact is that I can't stand it when somebody retires from their government job and then what do they want to be? They want to be a lower. Oh, so you waited until your retirement was up and it was convenient for you to now blow the whistle. Oh, yeah, this happened back in 2017 and you retired in 2021. So you work for an agency that was so bad that you're blowing the whistle on, yet you stayed employed. To me, that's not a real dude. And I've always, ever since I watched robocop when I was a kid, dude, when they walked by and they threw the badges because they were done. They were done being oppressive and every cop dropped their badge into the box like that. To me, if you're going to stand on 10 toes, you need to. And if you can't, well, I need to get my retirement first. That takes away for me, that takes away all your credibility. Everything you're about to say doesn't mean as much to you because you were willing to stay in the job.

[D]

Absolutely. I think careerism, especially in the military, is part of the Forever war problem where we are dependent on a 20 year retirement pension to sustain our post military lives. And that does get in the way of refusing war crime orders and things like that. I think what may be similar and adjacent to what you're describing is the military retirement to corporate board of directors pipeline or the public to private. So you're a senator and you retire and you go to a corporate board of directors.

[A]

Right.

[D]

And you use your relationships to promote whatever these corporate incentives are. And so that's something I think we also need to look at.

[A]

Okay. Do you believe in the, the American dream per se of a career and a retirement or do you think that a. A, is that something you believe in personally? That's right. And B, do you even if you don't agree with it, do you think it's even possible at this point? Are we going to be working till the day we die?

[D]

I am a landless rent peasant working class person with a lot of student loan debt and my debt to income ratio is out of control. And I am probably the work till I'm dead generation. I think the American dream is a global nightmare. And what is the American dream to an indigenous native American Indian? What is the American dream to a descendant of African slavery? What is the American dream to an immigrant that is dying in a private detention center concentration camp in this moment? What is the American dream? When police are using Flock cameras stalk women across the country.

[A]

Did you see that video? I can't find that video. Did you send it to me? Ryan, was that you that sent it to me? Okay, I have it. I saw dude, this morning I was like. Because we talk about flock all the time. I'm like who sent me that freaking video of its.

[B]

There's many stories but there were two recently as well is Georgia had five officers fired and Milwaukee just had another one fired for stalking women. And yeah, I covered Flock Fishback. James Fishback is running for governor. We had his lieutenant governor appointee or nominee on yesterday and his. One of his big things is block flock. He wants to get rid of it. A lot of people don't understand that and I, you know the question comes down to do you put finding a car that is involved in XYZ crime above our first amendment or our rights as a citizens to not be infringed on by the government and overstepped. And my point of it is as recently we just. The supreme court just ruled that the Google geofencing warrants are intrusion. They're illegal because you're using a private contract between you and Google and the law enforcement is getting that data from Google and then telling XYZ where they, you know where you are. There's a 2019 case. You got to figure from 2019 till now, all those cases in between are probably now dead.

[A]

They're.

[B]

They're bad cases. So why would we let Flock go? If there is some issue, why would we continue to let it go until we can tighten it down and make sure that's not happening? Or in five years, some case goes to the Supreme Court and we lose hundreds of cases? Or again, the. The real conspiracy side is they're spying on us. They're tracking. You ever heard of this, Ryan? I love this topic. I do like the conspiracy topics. I was sent this today. The name of the company is L E L S A G. Integrated Signal Intelligence. What they're doing is this company is using.

[A]

There's.

[B]

This company alleges they're using LPRs. They're tracking your dog's chip. They're checking your phone. They're tracking your. Any device you have in your possession near you. And it's starting to build a footprint of you so that everywhere you go, they can say where you're at. And it's bouncing from LPR to LPR to wi fi. And that at some point we're all going to be surveilled to the T like you're going to be. They're going to know where you are at all times. And that is, that's. That's a scary thing.

[A]

We've proven for a hundred years we don't need that stuff to solve crime. At what point do we go the. The security. What's the safety versus security argument? Like at what point do we draw the line, dude? And I mean the Flock thing is kind of where I'm at. Like the Patriot act, that was way before my on ability to understand the government. I do think there was a lot done with that. I think probably atrocities were stopped because of that.

[B]

But let me tell you what the Patriot act does. Let me tell you what it does.

[A]

Catch all.

[B]

I'm gonna make a lot of cops mad. It gives the federal government the right to go. I bet Tyler and Mike are selling drugs, right? But we can't find out. So I'm going to listen to Tyler's phone because he might be a terrorist. Tyler calls Mike and Mike says, hey man, meet me at Walmart. Bring me three fish. And I go to Walmart. I buy three kilos of cocaine from you. I drive away. They pull me over and they go, hey, man, you got this drugs in your car. Dog sniffed it, and you're in trouble. Now, you want to stay in trouble, or do you want to get somebody else in trouble? And I go, well, I bought it from Tyler. Okay, that's all we needed to know. You're good to go, man. Take off. Now they have probable cause to go get a wiretap affidavit signed on your phone, and then they can do it the right way. But there is allegations that the federal government can get on your phone well before that actual probable cause exists because you might be a terrorist. And then when they find other activity, they kind of backdate it. And then I go away. I get told, hey, don't ever talk about this. You're free to go. You're never going to get in trouble. And I go off, and all of a sudden you're like, man, Mike doesn't talk to me anymore. Well, Mike knows you're under federal investigation. Unless Mike wants to go to prison for 30 years, I'm going to shut my mouth and go away. And now they do a complete federal wire on you, and the actual probable cause to get up on your phone was found illegally. And that's a way, I think all

[A]

three of us, they could very easily, within two minutes, articulate that they're we're

[B]

over from the government.

[A]

I mean, just me alone. You could take one, clip it from this show and be like, oh, yeah, he has terrorist ideologies, even though I don't.

[B]

I saw that all in a movie. I saw that on a movie that was a hypothetical that saw in a movie.

[D]

Let me ask you a question. What's the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?

[A]

Well, I think about that all the time. And a freedom fighter is somebody, I believe. Like, I used to play this game for PlayStation 2. I think it was called Freedom Fighters and New the States. It was like a Red dawn situation, and you were guerrilla squads of Americans fighting off. I think it was like, Russia that took us over, or the game was based at the Soviet Union. Never fell. That's what it was. And it was a really fun game to play. And it's like, it's crazy that when you think you're in the right, everybody's a terrorist. You're a freedom fighter, though. If you're on the other side, if you think you're in the right. I mean, I could go off of that about Dave.

[D]

Well, it's just something we have to look at in terms of, like, the dehumanization Language of the empire, terrorists, insurgents, military, aged, male, etc. Etc. And the expansion of quote unquote domestic terrorists to include just political dissidents. If you are anti fascist in the United States, you can be classified as a terrorist. And then we have to expand this to the global war of terrorism, not the global war on terrorism. To really look at the narrative of all of these interventions and occupations conducted on behalf of the Epstein Empire.

[A]

Do you think that there should be in the utopia that you will never see in your entire life because it's non existent, do you feel like if it did was achieved that there would be have to be some kind of authority or police? Or do you think that in this perfect communist utopia you will not need any authority because everybody's so nice that there's no need for authority?

[D]

Yeah, it's a great question. So if we can reduce or eliminate social stratification and this means the gap between the wealthy and the have nots, right? If we can reduce this, we're going to have less crime. If we can have guaranteed housing, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed health care, there is going to be a reduction in quote unquote street crime. I've heard this question a couple times about my stance on gun rights. And so I just invite you to look at Karl Marx quotes on guns and ammunition in which I can't quote it directly, but it's basically workers need to have access to firearms and should be basically violently defended if needed. So if you go far left enough beyond the liberals and the Democrats and you keep going left, you get your guns back.

[A]

Hey, you can't have a revolution without firearms.

[B]

Let me double down on this because I like Kenny's comment there about LPR has been around for a while but let me explain what is happening. Maybe this will make more sense because I'm not as smart as the LPR is. Work with other programs. This is, this is the example of what this program is capable of doing that's out there right now that you guys don't know about. Let's say there's 70 cars, right?

[A]

You talking about flock all together, all

[B]

the technology together, 70 cars go by or and they contain 100 cards. Go by 70 contain iPhones. That's not very narrow, right? Only it's an iPhone 13 rve 2 because they know your model and you're an Audi. So they know that the Audi radio isn't connected with that RV2 iPhone. And in the car is a pair of Bose headphones and there's a Garmin sport watch that you're wearing on your wrist, and there's a key fob on your key. And the license plate is ABC123. And that narrows it down to one person, that is you. So now they don't have to look for your tag. They don't have to look for anything. All they have to do is group that together as Tyler Hoover. And when that car goes by a device, it goes, oh, iPhone 13 audio, audi radio, Bose headphones, Garmin watch. That's Tyler Hoover. And now you're not a person anymore. They know exactly where you are at all times. When you travel past any LPR or any other location that one of these transmitters is. So it's no longer. Because it may get.

[A]

LPRs are tracking things other than life.

[B]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's not just a security breach. There's technology out there.

[A]

My argument for LPR is ours. That the license plate's not your property.

[B]

Correct. And. And that's. That's where they're branching away from it. So I worked for Finder for a short period of time. Finder develops software that not only did it read your license plate, it read the IMEI on your phone when it went by. So you carjack a car, you drive ABC123 down the road, jump out, jump in somebody else's car. ABC123 is not going to hit the reader. But guess what? The IMEI that was in ABC 123 now hit another LPR. They tracked your IMEI. So, like, hey, he's in another car. And then the car reads the tag and goes. He's in a blue Mazda. Now they know where you are again. It's all good. In the world of crime, right? In the world of crime fighting, our kid gets abducted. We all want that. But what I just told you is they can track nine devices you have in your truck and put you as a unique person. And when you step out with just four of those, likely when you walk by something, they go, that's got to be Hoover, because he's got four of the nine. We already have a profile bit on him, and he's in Orlando area, and we know he's at Disney today. So that's the. That's the conspiracy part of. It's just a license plate reader, and it's just a little technology that's reading your tag. I believe it's doing a lot more.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

Do you know where a lot of these technologies are developed? These surveillance technologies is real bullseye.

[A]

Oh, really good. Job, Mike. JoJo even gave you credit. She said this is the smartest you've ever sounded. Good job. Well, I mean. Okay. Put you on a hot seat, Mike. Sheriff candidate Dilks, what are you going to do about this technology in your county?

[B]

So that I answered that question last night and what we would have to. I would have to take the Flock system and ensure like it has to. You have to make sure we don't violate the Constitution. The Constitution is the most important document. Here's where everybody goes. Because this is a big two A county. Nobody wants the infringement on the second Amendment from. Right. We want our. We want to shoot elephants and do all those cool things with guns and walk around AR15. So the Constitution matters when it comes to number two. Number one, though, it seems like people are willing to give up that First Amendment and even the fourth Amendment, legal search and seizure and freedom of speech because of a little technology that might help find our car when it's stolen. So it's packaged in a nice little bow and it's handed to you in this nice little way that we go. You have to have this because you. You want your car found when it gets stolen. My. My bottom line is the Constitution comes first. Do I want to see just technology go away that can help us find kids when they're abducted? Absolutely not. But where do you draw the line of giving up your first and Fourth Amendment to benefit with, you know, finding a car that's stolen? So I would say. I would make sure. I would want to make sure that I do my due diligence on a company that does not infringe on our Constitution in the guise of public safety.

[A]

To do is for Uncle Sam to buy it. Buy it all. Annex it like he does the land. Hey, you have technology and I'm Uncle Sam. I'm gonna buy it from you or I'm gonna take it from you and make it illegal for you to use one of the two. And then they need to treat it like the Batman thing from the Joker Batman movie where you have to have a warrant to use it. Right. We got a missing kid. Write a quick warrant. You know.

[D]

Well, isn't it curious that we're using poor, vulnerable children as the rationale?

[B]

Yes, that's part of the package. No, that's part of the package.

[A]

That's what people that defend abortion do though. Dude. They go, what about the woman that was raped? Okay. The point.0001 outlier.

[D]

Well, I would love to have a conversation about abortion maybe at our next session. And however Though I think it's important when we're talking about Uncle Sam and vulnerable children that the Epstein Emperor is in office.

[A]

I know, right?

[D]

That and Uncle Sam is literally the creepy uncle that you don't want to leave your kids unattended around. And if we're talking Second Amendment, I want to bring up another book, it's called Loaded by Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz, which describes how the Second Amendment was actually intended to deputize settlers for the Holocaust of the Native American Indian.

[B]

Okay, but that's the one.

[A]

That.

[B]

That's the one. Everybody dies on the flag, though. Nobody's willing to give up that second amendment right. Nobody. No blood blue, red blooded American.

[A]

You can't get any other right without it. But you can't.

[B]

But. But they're willing to let their first amendment get trampled on in the guy in the. In the guise of finding stolen cars and you know, fourth Amendment legal search is huge. If you walked up to somebody and tried to search them, they're going to punch you in the mouth. But if you write a warrant that kind of skirts the law because Google has some cool terms and tech, you're not going to fight that one. So it's unfortunate and similar to our

[D]

human trafficking bros that are basically inactive. Where are our tyrannical government bros that you know from my cold, dead hands, take my weapon. These are again, social media huff and no puff.

[A]

You know, it's funny, man. I saw all these July 4th guys out there doing their July 4th machine gun videos, you know, trying to sell T shirts and, and I thought the same thing, dude. I was like, you're just sitting here on Facebook making a machine gun commercial, that's cool and all, but the entire country's falling apart. But as long as you get your social media reel for the day and you get your money, you can act real American.

[D]

Did y' all see the Civil War film came out last year or two years ago?

[A]

I don't think so.

[D]

Well, I won't spoil it for you. But essentially Texas and California team up.

[A]

Oh, oh, yes. I'm sorry. I'm thinking of the old civil. Yeah, it was. It kind of sucked for me because it was like this like sad little reporter that kept getting herself into trouble and you're like, dude, shut up. But outside of that, I thought that was really cool. It was a really good depiction of like when he's like, what. What type of American are you? Like, those people are out there, dude.

[D]

Here we are, right? Did you guys see the proud boys that were surrounding the Black woman on the train in Washington D.C. for the July 4th notice.

[A]

Notice how she didn't act up.

[D]

Notice how. Imagine all those guys covering their identity with a mask were probably anti maskers during the COVID era.

[A]

Yeah, but why not? If, if it worked for the anti maskers, then you got to do a mission and the enemy has a good tactic. You gotta use it.

[D]

Yeah, bro, but just like notice what you just said, right? Oh, this young black woman didn't act up because she was surrounded by overt racists.

[A]

Well, she was pulling her butthole apart prior.

[B]

That's I. I get. But then I go to like, masked people took over police stations in Seattle with force and get. And like.

[D]

Well, since we're talking surveillance technology now they have gate detection. G A I T. Your. The way that you walk is as unique as your fingerprint. So you can wear a mask, right, but you might have to do the dune sort of sand walking to your gate.

[B]

Yeah, okay, well, we did facial recognition. Facial recognition has been out there, but I think I just recall a story where the facial recognition got a guy arrested for attempted abduction who never went within five hours of the location. That's other technology that fails. But yes, I, I've heard that the gate walk, the walk is like more unique or as unique as your fingerprint. It's absolutely detectable. And now there's technology coming out like that. So you got your gate, your watch, your, your dog, your keys, your car radio, your tag, your cell phone. All that stuff's being tracked, where you are. Everything, everything about you is being tracked at all times.

[D]

Hey, but good thing we got a thousand overseas bases defending freedom.

[B]

Hey man, they gave me, they gave me a coveted check too, for 1500 bucks a couple years ago.

[A]

Hey, I think that movie Civil War is free on one of the. One of the many subscriptions that they make us have to in order to watch entertainment. So I think I'm gonna watch that tonight.

[B]

And all that conversation, we haven't even touched on Axon yet. Exxons are.

[A]

Dude, we all agree on it for different reasons. But I mean, I agree.

[B]

Another entity, you know, when it came

[A]

out, like I said to you, Ryan, when it came out, they were saying, do not go into people's residences without their permission. You have to ask. Do not go into hospitals. You are not allowed. Like there was all this actual. When it came out. Okay, it kind of makes sense. This is just for the open public, you know, out in the streets where you don't really have an expectation of privacy. Rude within Two years under the radar. Like, why aren't you filming the hospital? This paperwork I signed a year and a half ago said not to. Well, now you're in trouble. You weren't filming the fight in the hospital.

[B]

The only place you're still not allowed to turn it on is in the station. And not have it on in the station?

[A]

Not at headquarters.

[E]

Nope.

[D]

So I'll just leave you all with this closing thought.

[E]

Right.

[D]

What does it mean to be an American in the era of the criminalization of dissent, free speech zones and things like this? The militarization of the police and the emergence of the Panopticon police surveillance state. Land of the free.

[A]

I understood about three of those words,

[B]

Ryan, but I understood land of the free. That was a good finisher.

[E]

Hey, Ryan.

[A]

Thanks, dude. I appreciate you coming on even when you're sick. You the man. And I will see you next week.

[B]

Take care, buddy.

[D]

As a soy boy, I do my best.

[B]

Thanks, guys.

[A]

Later. Character.

[B]

He's developed into, man. Think about. Think about all the layups we've given people, and Ryan is capitalizing. He doesn't even make money. No, he capitalized, dude. Look how good he does for the love of the game.

[A]

You know what's crazy is if he. I. There's a part of me that was like, you know, I could never have a communist show on the network.

[B]

No.

[A]

The more I think about it.

[B]

Stop talking.

[A]

The more I think about it.

[B]

What's next? We're gonna have a German show, too.

[A]

We're gonna have a German song with being German. That's a Nazi show. We can have a Joker show.

[B]

Yeah, it sounds like everybody. All flavors, man. What is it? 30 Baskin Robbins. 31 flavors.

[A]

I like. Everybody knows I like in house content. I like it when all of our.

[B]

What you just said is probably the smartest thing you've ever said. Do you know how many people would tune in just to hate on him? It was genius. It's genius.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, personally, I draw the line as I would never have, like, a Satan no like thing. So where do I draw? Like, what is it? My standards? Like, there's. There's a lot of people that would be upset with us if we had a communist on our network. And they're rightfully so because, like, G Money would lose his mind. Like communism.

[B]

He articulation two months, the communist makes it to work. The communist is turning this to capitalism real quick. No, I mean, is he really a communist?

[A]

No.

[B]

These wears a. I think he did it. He wears a baseball hat.

[A]

I Would tell them to the face. I think he's in a phase. He just. Yeah, Marine Corps was a phase. Or left was the face for him. I'm sure during COVID I was gonna ask him this, like. And he'll be honest. Hey, during COVID were you a leftist, or were you as a con? Were you a communist during COVID Because if he was, he would agree with us that Kovid was a fluke in your. If you even thought that was real. But maybe at the time he was a leftist. Did you notice how he doesn't. He didn't really talk about. When we brought up Chaz or whatever it was. He doesn't really talk about that too much because I don't know if he knows it's stupid, because that was a proven. We literally just took a couple blocks. Approved. Proved that communism wouldn't work.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Maybe he.

[B]

He actually, like, helped. Like, helped, helped, like listening. Because I remember at the beginning, we kind of, like, never let him talk. He didn't answer anything, and it just spun. Now at least there's conversations, right? You help me understand, like, listening. A lot of these guys in the chat, they still don't want to hear, and they don't want to have him say anything.

[A]

I think help bridge that gap. When we were getting frustrated, she took the time to talk to him and be like, if you want to understand our side or you want our side to understand. Understand you. You've got to do these things or it's not going to happen. That's not like a us versus you. That's just. It's. If you want to put the square in the. In the box, you got to put it through the square hole, not the triangle. It's just not going to happen.

[B]

Yeah, just give my wife credit that I have to hear about later.

[A]

She. Dude, bro. No, I think it's lobster tonight. You got. That was the nicest thing anybody's ever said on this platform to somebody, and it was your wife saying it to you.

[B]

I didn't even see it. I swear to God. I never saw it.

[A]

Smartest Mike's ever sounded or something like that. I don't know.

[B]

She called me a dumbass three minutes before the show and told me to get out of her face. So, I mean, there was only. It was only going up from there.

[A]

Yeah, I guess the standard's not bad.

[B]

I set the bar very low daily, you know, just reading through the sentences. I could have been reading Dr. Seuss right there. That have been the smartest I sounded. I Got one video if you want to play it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then we can head out. This is a officer involves shooting. This is a female Chicago police officer. Rate her performance.

[E]

Come here. Come on.

[B]

Hey, wait.

[E]

Come here.

[A]

Let me see your hands. What happened?

[C]

No.

[B]

You notice her gun is not functioning.

[E]

I came.

[B]

My radio emergency.

[A]

What the happened?

[B]

They got in the shootout. She ran back to her car and got her phone. If you watch, her gun doesn't go bang either.

[E]

Hold on.

[A]

First off, was that a female shooting at them?

[B]

I don't. Yeah, I think so. But I think she's armed.

[F]

Holy.

[A]

Chicago's a wild place. That's very rare for a female here

[B]

on earth is that. Click, click, and then just watch. So her partner stay. Well, one runs back.

[A]

The other guy gets no.

[B]

Got a radio? No.

[G]

I came.

[A]

My radio emergency. I can't. My radio emergency. So maybe she's on emergency traffic and she can't get over the radio. Maybe she's relying on Flock to locate her cell phone. Therefore, backup can arrive.

[B]

Get ready for the weapon. Skills. Done. Unjam this guy swear?

[E]

No.

[A]

I have a functioning gun. The fight.

[B]

So that's where it ends. There's. That's a.

[A]

She's, like, gonna throw it at her if it doesn't work.

[B]

Chicago PD Involved in an officer involved shooting. That female clearly does not know how a gun works. How to clear if malfunction. I guess not talk on the radio, but if you noticed at the beginning, her nails were painted and very nice. That's all.

[A]

I. I can't. I can't. I got you on the.

[B]

I don't understand the phone call. I don't understand the gun.

[A]

And I. I feel bad for those guys because I'm sure it's just like the nypd, dude. They just do not get you. They're so big and so understaffed that they just don't get the training that they need to not be able to clear a simple malfunction on a Glock is. That should be something that you're taught in the academy over and over a hundred times.

[B]

And then guess what? I'm gonna let you know the secret. You have to practice. Even when the department doesn't have you out at the range, you still have to practice those things. Especially Chicago. Like, I mean, you know what? I'm not giving anyone a pass. Nobody gets a pass to not train and be proficient. But you work in an area where. Let's see, let's see.

[A]

You're gonna need it. You work in an area where you're

[B]

gonna need it over the weekend. Holiday weekend in the city of Chicago. Drum roll. We had. There it is. Over the weekend.

[A]

You got Eli on point, man. He just woke up when you said drum roll, he was like, oh, six,

[B]

six killed and 20 wounded over the weekend in Chicago. So you're probably going to need your gun, right? Man driving homemade go kart. Shoots during traffic. Stop shot in return. So he shot three people while being pulled over in a golf cart. That's the normal day in Chicago. Seven people shot at a West Side street party. Seven people female, 17 male, 17 male, 17 male, 19 female, 18 male, 19 male, 20 shot in one incident.

[A]

Nails broke, so now she's on disability.

[B]

One incident,

[A]

yeah, I think, man, 40 people shot too. That's, that's not even dead.

[B]

73 year old male dead. 31 year old male dead. 33 year old male dead. 47 year old female dead. 52 year old male dead. That is actually a slow weekend. Two years ago in 2024, during 4th of July, they lost. 23 people were killed and 86 were wounded.

[A]

Maybe the gun, maybe.

[B]

Yeah, maybe. I mean that is the record. Two years ago is the record. I'm sorry, 2021 was the record right out of COVID They had 90 wounded and 23 killed.

[A]

What about 20, 25?

[B]

2025. They had 11 killed and 42 wounded. So they cut it in half.

[A]

Yeah, it's going down. Gun, gun, gun laws are working.

[B]

Yeah. Pretty soon it'll be gun free.

[A]

Yeah. All right guys, that's it. Counterculture 8 Network Tonight, 8 o' clock will be me, the king of counterculture, discussing counterculture. The plans for the network, the plans for the studios, plans for the merch. Get all you guys in, have a good time, maybe hop on Discord after that, like always. But so Tonight, Counterculture Inc. YouTube, 8 o', clock. Be there. And tomorrow, 1 o', clock Friday anti air broadcast. Wrap up the week, head into the weekend. We'll see you guys then.

[E]

That.

[A]

Jv team for life.