Australian Special Forces Soldier ARRESTED For WAR CRIMES (04/09/2026)

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast — Episode Summary

Podcast: The Antihero Broadcast
Episode Title: Australian Special Forces Soldier ARRESTED For WAR CRIMES (04/09/2026)
Date: April 9, 2026
Target Audience: Veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans

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Episode Theme & Purpose

This episode explores two central themes:

1. War Crimes and Justice: A deep dive into the high-profile arrest of Ben Roberts-Smith, Australia’s most decorated living soldier, on historical war crimes charges. The discussion analyzes the Australian political climate, military culture, and the possible motives and consequences behind this controversial prosecution.

2. Law Enforcement Accountability & Use of Force: A robust, sometimes heated, roundtable about recent and historical police use-of-force cases in the U.S., the changing public/media perception, prosecutorial pressures, and the impacts on officer decision-making and morale.

Throughout, the panel blends irreverent banter, strong opinions shaped by real-world service experiences, and direct audience engagement, making complex topics accessible yet nuanced for their target audience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Special Guest: Ryan ("A Marine Communist") on Indigenous Rights and Reparations

Native American Reservations & "Land Back" Movement

• Attribution: Ryan (“A Marine Communist”), Tyler (Host), Mike, G Money
• Main Points:
  • The legacy of Indigenous displacement is described as an "American Holocaust," with a need for moral reckoning and, for some, “land back” as a radical but necessary form of justice.
  • Example: Seminole Tribe in Florida cited for their economic power (casinos, federal payments), but Ryan counters that most reservations remain under-resourced.
  • Issue of resource extraction: U.S. government’s exploitation of oil and uranium on reservation land, often waiving EPA protections, worsening health issues in Indigenous communities ([13:00-14:25]).

Immigration & Historical Context

• Debate comparing early colonizers’ actions against Native Americans to modern illegal immigration ([15:00-18:35]).
• Ryan frames it as a distinction between legality and morality, stressing "destabilizing foreign countries is the number one cause" of migration.
• The “whiteness” of immigrant groups (Irish, Italians, Greeks) changes over time through assimilatory processes ([15:25-16:38]).

Reparations & Corporate Welfare

• Ryan: "Corporate welfare vastly exceeds social welfare. Bailing out these banks has put the American people in further and further debt than helping poor people eat." ([22:06])
• Claims there’s more unity between low-income Americans and immigrants/Native Americans than with tech billionaires.

Propaganda, History & Education

• Encouragement to read Howard Zinn’s "A People’s History of the United States" for a less sanitized view.
• Skepticism of mainstream history textbooks and their origins ([21:03-21:25]).

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2. Australian Special Forces War Crimes Arrest — Interview with “Crossy”

Background on Ben Roberts-Smith’s Arrest

• Attribution: Crossy (Special Guest from Australia), Host Panel
• Details:
  • Roberts-Smith, Australia's top living war hero, arrested in front of his twin daughters at an airport, just before Anzac Day.
  • Charges date back to 2009: one count of murder (allegedly of an unarmed person) and four counts of directing subordinates to commit murder ([33:41-35:00]).
  • The investigation lasted five years, with 300–400 million AUD spent, reportedly driven more by "woke" politics (Military Chief Angus Campbell, “woke as piss”) and a lack of original public demand ([33:41-35:00, 35:18-36:26]).
  • Emotional/mental toll on the accused, one reportedly committing suicide during the investigation ([35:18]).

Perceived Political Motivation & Media Circus

• Arrest orchestrated as a "dog and pony show" for media optics, creating guilt by association before trial ([39:04]).
• Simultaneous intimidation of the broader Special Forces community.

Military Culture and Operational Realities

• Australians, being reluctant to deploy regular troops, overused elite SAS for general infantry work—raising stress and exposure for a small cadre of operators ([37:20-37:54]).
• Crossy describes wartime “rules”: “You just let them operate and do the job they do and don’t stick your nose in it” ([40:22]).

Outcome Possibilities & Political Backlash

• Conservative MPs gaining traction after public sentiment swings against “leftist” policies ([41:51-42:49]).
• Rumors that Afghan witnesses were paid for testimony; much of the case is hearsay with no physical evidence available ([44:12-45:11]).
• If acquitted, avenues for fighting back (like U.S. veterans) are unclear, as the system in Australia is more restrictive.

Australian Media & Narrative Control

• State media allegedly manipulates or fabricates evidence, buying or coercing false testimony to create sensational stories ([51:20-52:48]).

Notable Quote:
"He walks off a plane with his twin daughters and the Australian Federal Police arrest him in front of a parade... It’s like a pony show.” – Crossy ([38:11])

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3. U.S. Police Use of Force, Indictments, and the Changing Job

Debating Justified vs. Unjustified Force

• Recent controversial police shooting dissected: Did the officer “do enough” to de-escalate? Panel debates evolving standards, public expectations, and how the law does (and should) apply ([70:15-78:26]).

Preservation of Life vs. Preservation of Due Process

• Clarified: Law enforcement is functionally about enforcing laws, not preserving suspects’ lives above all (“Use of force is not a stepladder—you do not have to use less-lethal means before deadly force.” – A, [78:10]).

Juries, Case Law, and Officer Decision-Making

• Should officers “police by case law or by public perception”? Panel splits on whether justified actions in law are enough when communities and DAs quickly prosecute.
• “Would Sal (Saladrati) pull that trigger again? …I don't think Derek Chauvin would have kneeled on George Floyd again if he knew he was going to go to prison.” – Tyler ([86:54])

Blame and Administrative Responsibility

• Calls to hold police leadership criminally accountable when bad training is a factor in officer errors, not just the “guy on the scene” ([94:21-99:16]).
• Lament about unions fighting fitness standards and reforms but less collective action for true, positive change.

Notable Quote:
"The house always has the advantage... It’s really a casino situation: you go shoot the gun—sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but they get to make the final decision." – Mike ([90:26-91:02])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Land Back:
  “Decolonize Turtle island from sea to shining sea.” – Ryan ([06:45])

• On Corporate Welfare:
  “Corporate welfare vastly exceeds social welfare...” – Ryan ([22:06])

• On Use of Force:
  “Deadly force is justified. You do not have to use less force before you use deadly force. It’s not a requirement.” – A ([78:10])

• On Media & Justice:
  “It’s a dog and pony show. Because you take... You arrest somebody like that, nobody’s safe.” – C ([39:04])

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Key Timestamps & Segments

• [06:07-14:25] – Deep dive on Native American dispossession, “land back,” government resource exploitation
• [32:24-55:35] – In-depth interview with “Crossy” about the Ben Roberts-Smith case, Australia’s SAS, government/media motives
• [70:07-88:41] – Panel deconstructs recent U.S. police shooting, standards for justified use of force
• [94:21-99:16] – Discussion on administrative, training, and union responsibility for police incidents
• [109:21-111:03] – Nick on the myth of a peaceful history and the realities of conquest and suffering

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Tone, Style, and Community Building

• Irreverent, frank, and combative, yet grounded in lived experience; arguments are passionate and occasionally profane but always circle back to respect (“Love you, Nick.” / “I love you too.” [102:18]).
• Blunt critiques of institutions on both sides of the political spectrum; skepticism of “woke” politics and the military-industrial complex.
• Strong sense of solidarity with listeners (“JV team for life”), blending serious discussion with banter and in-jokes (e.g., "G Money”: “I used to prank by moving cop cars anytime” [117:09]).

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Final Insights

• Australian War Crimes Case: The Roberts-Smith prosecution is seen as a betrayal of frontline warriors for political points, damaging faith in government and military command.
• Police in America: Officers today face an impossible balancing act, pressured by both evolving legal standards and an unpredictable, often hostile public and media environment.
• Broader Message: Justice and truth are rarely simple, and those on the front lines—whether soldiers or cops—feel caught in the crossfire of political games, media narratives, and shifting values. The podcast aims to speak plainly, question received wisdom, and galvanize blue-collar communities to think past surface-level stories.

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[C]

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[D]

Good morning.

[C]

Let's get right to it. Who likes to kick off their day with communism?

[D]

I mean it's a great way a high communist.

[C]

There's no is there. There's no telling if he's high or not. We don't know.

[D]

Oh, maybe it's just fake it's for show show, prop movie, prop communism.

[C]

All right, we have our. Our. Our routine Thursday guest at 11am Ryan Miller, a Marine Communist. Always communist, always. Mostly disagreeing with us. But we come. I think we agree on a lot. You know what's funny is I've been hearing Nick talk a lot, and with the Deep state stuff, I really think everybody can get down if we could just get rid of the division, maybe.

[D]

You saying wait like they may have their own podcast.

[C]

Huh?

[D]

G. Money.

[C]

That would make a lot of money.

[D]

He says he can't hear. Check, check, check.

[C]

Are we muted? No.

[E]

No, we're not.

[C]

Who can't hear us?

[D]

Him.

[C]

Oh, we'll bring him on. We'll see.

[D]

Maybe can't hear us.

[F]

Radio check, over.

[C]

Good, we can hear you. Can you hear us?

[F]

Check, check. Radio check.

[C]

What the crap,

[D]

Louis, any ideas?

[E]

I'm not sure.

[F]

No audio tried.

[D]

Do you have. You don't have earbuds? Oh, no, he can't hear.

[F]

I'm gonna leave it and come right back.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Wouldn't be a day without that. We're on time today.

[C]

Yeah. Sorry, Lewis.

[D]

Doing your job.

[C]

My bad. Yeah, I mean, we got a lot to cover today. We've got, obviously, Ryan, a Marine Communist, and I. I like to say I think the Marine Communist sounds better, but he likes a Marine Communist because apparently there's been Marine Communists.

[D]

But he should be. I would stand on the. I want the. Well, we don't know if his pronouns include the.

[C]

Yes, that's true.

[D]

So, I mean, maybe that's not an option. Maybe there already is a. The. Good. Now bring them back. Bring them back in, Louis. There we go. We good.

[F]

Good morning. Yes, gentlemen, morning.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

All right. Tyler was telling everybody how great the Marine communist. You can continue.

[C]

Yeah, I. I think the. The Marine communist has a way better ring. But I understand that you prefer a Marine Communist, and you explained why there have been other Marines that were pro. More popular that have stood for something that happened to be Marines and communists as well. So we will stick with a Marine Communist because we don't think the is in your pronouns.

[F]

Well, I appreciate this because, you know, I'm a collectivist, not an objectivist, and I think I. I don't really want to be a star as much as I want to be noticed among the constellation.

[C]

Okay. Do you remember what I. I've been trying. I said at the very end of last Thursday's segment with you, I said, hey, don't forget about this. I want to ask you about this. I want to Talk to you about it. 100% forgot what it was.

[F]

I. I believe you wanted to talk to me about Native American Indian reservations.

[C]

That is it. That is it. Very, very, very. Almost, I would say almost, if not worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One of the things that we just do not mention in. In our. In our history books, we mention it happened, and then we just move on. So some might call it atrocities, some might call it war, but, you know, the fact that we, We. We put them on reservations, and that's all I know, really, is that we

[D]

slowly threw out 100 in Florida here, they get paid quite the bit of money the Seminole tribe does, and they

[C]

own Hard Rock Cafe.

[D]

They own the whole thing. They own all gambling in the state of Florida, and they're paid by the federal government for just being alive.

[B]

Lots of money.

[C]

You're welcome, Native Americans.

[D]

Yeah. So well taken care of.

[C]

Ryan, what's your take, bud? Now you're welcome. You're welcome.

[A]

Now maybe you had nothing to do with.

[D]

Currently they're very well taken, obviously suffered, but currently they're doing very well, at least in Florida.

[C]

How do we make it right, Ryan?

[F]

Land back all of it?

[G]

Yes.

[F]

Decolonized Turtle island from sea to shining sea.

[C]

Oh, we're Turtle Island.

[H]

Yeah.

[F]

Okay, if you look at the map, it's what it looks like. And then if you rotate it, what is that, 15 degrees? Then you'll see it's like a duck. North America and South America together is like a duck. And this is because, like Western hemisphere people used to travel freely and migrate freely throughout the both continents.

[C]

Do you think that when we give it back to them, anything has to change? Or do they now have rule over our homes and our communities and they decide what happens and they take over government?

[F]

Yeah, I think that's a good question, what that would look like. I. I want to leave that to the Native American Indian folks to determine what that, like, actually looks like. That's not really appropriate for me to decide, but I think, you know, instead of paying your mortgage or your rent to some, you know, random bank, you probably be paying it to a Native American Indian institution.

[C]

Okay. That is I. That I am curious on how that would all work out. That would. Obviously, we know we're idealists in some way, shape or form that would never happen, but if it were to happen, you know how that would all play out.

[F]

Well, I think the first thing we got to do is, like, check in on our moral compass, because that introduction that you gave was really unexpected. I thought we were going to Go in a different direction. Yeah, this was an American holocaust. Right. This was genocide. This was indigenous displacement and dispossession systematized. And you know, the first step in believing that, reconciling with that, you know, that this idea of land back idealists are not. But we got to start with the, like this understanding that it's possible. Let's just be open to the possibility that, that it could be possible.

[D]

And you know, obviously there's no way to take back terrible things that happen. Like we can't go back on that. We talk about reparations, money, land. I will tell you, to be exact, every single breathing living Seminole Indian in the state of Florida, child, adult gets $128,000 per year. They are also have free education, free health care and housing assistance. So I don't know what undoing something looks like, but if I was going to start somewhere, and that's Florida, only Seminole, you can't undo what happened hundreds of years ago. But that seems like a pretty good starting point. Plus they own every gambling establishment. They absolutely have the market cornered. They're the most successful gambling establishment United States. They're building a new casino in Vegas. While the rest of Vegas is faltering. They are turning a huge profit. So that's one tribe here in Florida. But I think at least them, I would say, like, you can't undo death and, and holocaust, but they're not doing terrible.

[C]

At what point can I not be associated with white imperialism? Is there any point that I just can't be like, I did not do that. I wouldn't have done it. But I live in a land 300 years later and I don't want to be attributed to that. Or is that just on me because I'm white?

[F]

I think that's between you and your moral compass. These are two different statements. So let me kind of reflect on, on both before I lose them. I'm so glad that these folks in Florida are receiving these benefits from the state of Florida. And this is like an incremental approach toward justice. Right. On the way to like land back. Land back is, I'll admit, the radical sort of resolution. Right. So I'm with you on this. I imagine I'm, you know, I cannot speak on behalf of Native American Indian folks. I was raised in a colonized way. I'm going to make mistakes and I apologize. I'm just here to do my, my humble best. But I imagine the great nation of the Seminoles would give back all of that.

[C]

Yeah, but here's the Thing I. There's a lot. There's a lot. It's not. We look at as white people, as Native Americans. Native Americans. Right. But there's a lot of different tribes. There's a lot of different. What would you call them?

[D]

I mean, it's like family different.

[C]

Yeah. Tribes. And also, Nash, I mean, their. Their origins come from other places, too. So they might ask you, this is

[F]

your position that the majority of condition, you know, Native American Indian reservations, the conditions for them are fantastic. Like they are for.

[C]

No, I've been watching Yellowstone, so that's why I asked this. So, okay, from my research on that fictional show that they're depict, when they depict the tribal land or the reservation or the res, as they call it on that show in Montana, it's actually really underfunded, doing really bad. But one could argue, you know, if you give somebody territory and say, do what you want with it, and then they run it to the ground and can't function, is it our fault or is it their fault? Do they need our resources now, the evil, white, imperious resources, or are they going to be able.

[F]

Yeah, let's. Let's talk about resources.

[C]

Okay.

[F]

So in the holocaust of the Native American Indian, the displacement part was putting folks on these reservations, Trail of Tears, perhaps. You're familiar, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

And what the government thought was these, like barren wastelands, you know, southwest United States northwest, you know, kind of the badlands, you know, we're like this, you know, kind of disposable land, right. Not. Not really. Not a lot of terrain features, things like this. Right. Well, guess what? Then they discover that there's like, really important uranium on the reservations of Southwest America. And so they go back in and extract that. Right. Disrupt those treaty rights. One quarter of the domestic US Oil supply comes from Fort Berthold Indian Reservation in North Dakota. Isn't that interesting? So if you want to talk about resources, right here we are in. So let me tell you a little bit about what happens on this reservation, Right? Because it is on a reservation and not in the United States. The Environmental Protection Agency does not have jurisdiction. So these oil companies, okay, can pollute, can frack, right. Freely, openly, without the restrictions that the EPA would provide. And so you know what? Yeah. Big respiratory illnesses, skin illnesses, air quality. There was even the.

[C]

The reservations can't tell the oil companies not to come in there.

[F]

This is when you're in the experience of extreme poverty, right. An extreme intergenerational trauma.

[C]

Oh, they pay them for it.

[F]

There. There is. We make tough decisions to survive.

[D]

I. I have a question.

[C]

Shut up. You're white. You can't talk.

[D]

I have a question. So essentially, we as white people came to their country illegally and took land and state. Correct. That's what we did. We ran them out.

[F]

Yeah. This is a good thing to bring up.

[D]

I got two parts, though. So that's what we did. What about what. What about the illegal immigrants that come in from other countries like Mexico and then are in our country illegally in the same fashion? They have our houses, they have our land, they have our resources. Why don't they have to get out as well, like we should if we're all going to leave? Should the illegal immigrants that have poured into this country over the last. During the Biden administration, millions of people that are illegal in our country, taking our jobs, taking our land. How is that any different than what we did to the Indians?

[F]

That's a question. I think that. I think there's a couple in there.

[D]

But I will say that. What's the difference? Like, we didn't. We're not killing anybody. I'll give you that. So what's the difference of being illegal on somebody else's land and using their resources?

[F]

Well, let's first talk about white people for a second. There's a good book called how the Irish Became White. And the Irish people, right, weren't always considered white. This was, you know, similar. The Italian folks, right, were discriminated against.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

They weren't white. They weren't white. Yes.

[F]

Okay. So there was this process of acculturation and assimilation. Some Irish folks retained their sort of anti imperialist positions, Right. Because the Irish are the very first colonized territory. And so Irish people are linked in solidarity with colonized people worldwide. And a lot of Irish folks have licked the British boot and have done, you know, atrocities around the world on behalf of the British Crown. So that's the, you know, this part about white folks, right. It's like, it's important, and we got to sort of, like, talk about it.

[D]

Yeah. There was a point where Italian were not white folks. They were immigrants. They jumped up. Like, my family is Italian and Greek both.

[C]

That.

[D]

Those. Both those sides were my grandparents. Both came from other countries. And that's.

[E]

Yes.

[F]

And a lot of Irish and Italians became, you know, military and cops as part of our way to acculturate and assimilate. Right. So this is. This is the thing. And it's interesting, right? Like, how immigrants, if you're not a native American Indian, right, You're an immigrant, you're a refugee or Right. So how we kind of like close the door behind us or if we're talking about this origin story of the Pilgrims. Right. That this conqueror. Right. That's may have been legal, but it's not ethical. Right. Slavery was legal. Jim Crow was legal. Apartheid was legal. There's a difference between legal and ethical. So I think if we want to be tough on immigration, one, we got to look at the causes of immigration and destabilizing foreign countries is the number one cause. So let's maybe stop doing that. And then two, working migrant workers are not our enemies. It's these rich people.

[D]

My guy.

[F]

So thank you.

[D]

We're not the one. What is it? 1% of the country control. I get all this. We're not rich. I'm not rich. My family's not rich. The majority of America is not rich. So I understand that concept, but I also don't. Just like, it was not fair what happened to the Indians. How is it fair to middle class, to lower class Americans who watch foreign people come in, take their land or get free housing, get free benefits and get all this stuff and go. Well, I'm. And I get it. Nobody's a Native American. I'm going to skip that part. I now live here. This is my house. And there are people the same way the American or the, the British came over and took over the countries from the Indians. It seems that the same thing is happening, but we're okay with it because all these poor people come from a lower class country. They need help. Well, they're not citizens, though. It's the same dynamic.

[C]

Question the Native Americans, when the white man came over, would they have allowed the white man to live amongst them? As you say, Ryan, traveling people, they're free to travel, they're free to occupy. Everything's free. North America, South America, Central America, everything's free. And I'm not putting. I'm not saying they should have let them, but I'm asking because I'm ignorant to it. Were the Native Americans at that time, does history state that they would have lived amongst the white man or would it have been war? Either way?

[F]

Yeah. A couple of things I think I'll just name is that, you know, my experience on Fort Berthold among native folks in Ceremony, when I first showed up, I was afraid. You know, I thought I would get the cold shoulder. I thought I would get a lot of side eye. And actually it was the complete opposite. So warm, so generous. Right. So inclusive. And I'm gonna get emotional just talking about it.

[H]

Right.

[F]

It's and this could be a longer conversation, but complete opposite of what I thought and what the propaganda kind of informed me to, to think it might be like. Right, and then what was your second question?

[C]

That. Was it just whether or not Because.

[F]

Oh, yeah, I remember real quick. Sorry. There was the early settlers, right, would kidnap natives and the natives would kidnap the settlers.

[D]

Right.

[F]

Have you heard of this? And then sometimes the settlers would liberate, quote, unquote, the, the settlers from the native villages, right? And, and bring them back to, quote, unquote, civilization. But then after some time, these liberated settlers would go back, go back to the native community because they realized this was a better way of life and a better way of living.

[C]

I did not know that they're called traitors and they should be hung. No, I'm just kidding.

[E]

Right?

[C]

Yeah, I just, I've always been curious about it. I mean, I, like you have stated, I do not trust our history book. So everything I know and everything I've learned in public school, I know might be 1% true, might not be true at all.

[F]

So did you learn that the publisher of most of our school textbooks is a Zionist?

[C]

I have heard that. I, I might have heard that from you, actually, to be honest with you. I, I have heard that though, so.

[F]

Makes us look back at a lot of that. And so I think for folks, I would say, read a people's History of the United States, Howard Zinn. It's a good place to just kind of get started towards, like unlearning a lot of the propaganda that we've been taught.

[C]

Peter Butler asked. I am understanding this. Correct. He is saying Native Americans can't control the oil company of the land because they are poor. I know what you're saying. I don't agree with what you're saying, but I, I feel like if someone's in a tough spot and we come, well, look at us, look at Americans in the high interest rates. We just talked about this yesterday. Hey, I'm gonna offer you some credit. Some, some, some credit. But it's going to be at 25 APR. Take it or leave it. Well, when you're down and out, what are you going to do? You're going to take that, you're going to take that credit card. So it's the same concept, right?

[F]

Like these check cashing spots in the hood, right, that charge these exorbitant fees too.

[C]

There you go, Ryan. There you go.

[D]

I like it.

[C]

We're talking about the hood, talking our indigenous language here.

[D]

Yes, those are everywhere. But they are indeed in the hood as well. But they're all, you know, what also happens in the hood. You can take your SNAP benefit card, ring it up at one gas station for some fake groceries they call the other gas station, then they give you cash advance on it as well.

[F]

I'm glad, I'm glad you brought this part up too. It came back. Is this idea, I think it's so important to acknowledge because we want to talk about immigrants taking benefits or, you know, the cost of reparations or whatever, but I just want to name that it's so important to understand that corporate welfare vastly exceeds social welfare. Bailing out these banks.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

Has put the American people in further and further debt than helping poor people eat and old George Bush.

[C]

Bush.

[D]

And listen, the entire corporate banking industry. Yeah, I remember.

[F]

We are, we are not rich. We've agreed on that. Right? This place is cool, but I'm a rent peasant and we have more in common with that migrant worker with that, you know, impoverished Native American Indian on the reservation than we do with these tech billionaires that are on the other side of my town right here.

[D]

Yeah, I will, I'll concede some of that because we have nicer things. We have cars and we think we're doing much better than the guy who's eaten out of a can on the side of the street. But in contrast, we're just the same as a guy eating a can of the side of the street when it comes to these corporate people that are so rich you can't even put your brain around the number. I, I do agree with that. And we're conditioned to think, well, we're doing really good because I have two cars, a cat, a dog and a nice house, a mortgage. But in reality, compared to them, we are scum. We are nothing. We're bottom, we're at the bottom of the, I do agree with that. It is a, it's a false sense of success or wealth compared to who really controls everything. I, I, I genuinely believe that as well.

[F]

Thank you.

[D]

Yeah, I believe that.

[C]

Right.

[F]

A thousand percent.

[C]

Let me get your take on. I just want to ask you something and then we'll, you know, we still, we'll have like five minutes left for you to speak on anything. We, so we posted this earlier in the week on Good Friday, and I just want to make sure I, I, so you said nothing like wasteful AI slot because this is obviously an illustration for shallow social media engagement to acknowledge the profane alongside the sacred hot dog. I don't know what that means. It's a hot dog emoji, USA I see us. I've known enough now that the US that was probably a US flag emoji.

[F]

Oh, I was gonna put that. Yeah, my bad. So, I mean, this is sort of. You ever heard of the Antichrist?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Well, a lot of folks believe that this. That's what AI is.

[C]

It is 100%. It is.

[E]

So.

[C]

Okay, so that's just a really smart way of saying we're using the Antichrist to talk. Okay. All right. I just didn't know. That's why I wanted to ask you.

[E]

Oh.

[C]

I do believe I'm the only one that doesn't use Gronk. I don't use chat. GPT. Everything I ever. I. Everything I ever put out is from my own brain and my own. Too big.

[D]

Mine is too. I just get a little help. It's like, you know, you go to the gym, you're on thousand milligrams of test, you get a little help, you still got to go put the work in. But no, I agree. But then, similar to freedom and similar to everything else, the Antichrist is around us 24 7. We have the ability as. As people to make a decision not to fall victim to all those vices. The, you know, sex, abs, strip club, all the stuff you consider, you know, pornography. All those things that are considered right are not right. We all have that around us 24 hours a day, including AI you as a human, though, have to have your own moral compass to go. I'm not gonna go there. And I think that kind of goes with AI If I use AI for productive behavior, I. I think it's okay if you're using bad things and it's bad.

[F]

I'm sorry to.

[C]

Please excuse me.

[F]

I'm gonna interrupt you.

[D]

No, you didn't.

[A]

You're good.

[F]

You know, I think we got grays in our beard. So we are like the Terminator. Skynet generation.

[C]

Yes. My favorite movie all time.

[F]

You know, I. I don't think we can really discount the real risks. And let me just kind of, you know, say that we cannot confuse innovation with liberation. In a socialist society, AI would benefit everyone in the way of leisure time, time off. Instead, in this capitalist society, AI is only going to benefit a very small amount of people, and then it's going to surveil all the rest of us. Right.

[D]

So it helps me make thumbnails. So I'm good with it. Yeah.

[F]

So one AI Data centers disproportionately pollute poor black and brown neighborhoods. There's a Lot of scholarship on this simple Google search. So there's that moral piece we need to wrestle with. But hey, have you guys seen the AI videos that Iran has been putting out in the Lego animations?

[C]

I want to say I have at least heard of it. I don't think I've seen it.

[D]

Hold on, though. Did you just say that AI is racist? It affects black people?

[F]

I'm saying AI data centers disproportionately pollute poor black and brown neighborhoods throughout the United States.

[C]

So even the devil's racist.

[F]

That's all Right, well, capitalism is a racist system. This is racialized capitalism.

[D]

So.

[C]

Okay, I mean, is it true that man, I hate. I want to get. First off, I want to say I pinned compassionateveteran.org Ryan comes on here every single week, debates us, talks with us about hard subjects. One of the only guys that doesn't get butter. All. A lot of the people we roll with would never do this because they cry and whine about it. And Ryan gets on here every single Thursday and debates us and talks. And he's very respectful. So he represents compassionate. Veterans.org if you can go there, check it out. We're all about helping veterans. It's just what your preferred way. Go give it a look. If it's something you want to donate to or help out, please, please do. Because Ryan helps us out every single week. So that being said, I want to give you the floor for anything because I naturally want to ask. Yeah, but I can go on for days.

[F]

Hey, we'll, we'll be here next Thursday, God willing, Inshallah. I would do want to say that the 2016 Standing Rock pipeline protest changed my life. I deployed out there with veterans from across the country as an atheist, and I learned about prayerful protesting from the Standing Rock Indian Reservation and the people there. And I came back a prayerful person. 2019, I started going to a Sundance ceremony on Fort Berthold, North Dakota, witnessed how for veterans specifically, there is a ritual and a cleansing ceremony that was profound and that the general population can learn a lot from the indigenous population about how to welcome home their warriors and reintegrate them into the village. And then just Sundance ceremony and Native American ceremonies like Hanblicha are sacred and really beneficial for the emotional body, the mental body, the spiritual body, and the physical body.

[C]

What's prayer? So would you, when you say you came back prayerful, what's that? Does that mean you came back religious or just respecting prayer?

[F]

I used to believe that a belief in a divine justice system means that you won't fight for justice in this system. And I, you know, wasn't really a religious person or a spiritual person, like a. I was like an anti theist even.

[C]

Okay.

[F]

And then I, you know, and I come back. I went there with a lot of experience in peaceful protesting, but that was my first exposure to prayerful protesting and water protecting and it changed my life. Right. Native American Indian foes could drink from any river at any time.

[C]

Right.

[F]

Can you do that?

[C]

After the white man polluted it? It's probably not a good idea now, but here we go. All right, Ryan, thanks very much for coming on, man. It is. It has gotten to be almost like a pleasure.

[F]

I will say you might want to bring the knuckleheads around every once in a while because I think the people want to see the conflict they want to see.

[D]

I have a poll ready, so don't worry.

[C]

They. They do. He does. But one thing I told you when we spoke on the phone is I don't. I'm never gonna bombard anybody. I'm never going to. So if it's. If I give you notice to prepare for and maybe some talking points that we can try to stick on, I would absolutely love that.

[D]

Cool.

[F]

I'd love to hear about next week's topic in advance if you can. Thank you so much, comrades.

[C]

All right, buddy, have a good one. Peace.

[D]

Let me see if I can do this. I tried creating a poll.

[C]

Ooh, here we go.

[D]

There you have. Type one or two in the chat. Who would win in a fight? Oh, that.

[C]

And that's how it collects it.

[D]

Yeah, they're going to type it in the chat. One is for Ryan Aami. Two is for G Money. You guys can vote in the chat.

[C]

Lose his mind if people with him and put the commie in there so

[D]

you guys can vote on that poll over there. And. Well, G Money's got two votes already.

[C]

All right, without further ado, the topic of discussion today is the. What some would say the unlawful arrest of.

[D]

Keep voting. I'm gonna remove the poll though, so it doesn't clog the screen, but keep voting. Gotta vote for GMA Kami.

[C]

I'm gonna go do it. I'm gonna vote it from like all my YouTube accounts.

[D]

You to vote for the company.

[C]

The unlawful arrest of Ben Robert Smith, a corporal in the Australian Special Air Service Regiment. And it's, it's got a lot of hype to it right now. It's very popular topic. The people of Australia are actually standing behind him a lot. And so one of those People is a big supporter of ours who reached out to us and asked if he'd come on. Obviously he's probably watching them like, Tyler's gonna destroy that trying to explain it. So let me assist. So without further ado, Crossy.

[E]

G'.

[C]

Day. G', day, mate.

[E]

How are we.

[D]

That's the most racist white way of saying it. First of all, what time. What time is it there?

[E]

11:30 at Nightcastle. Bedtime.

[D]

We appreciate you staying up.

[C]

Thanks to beyond so much, man. Thank you so much. We know. I know what everybody else is. I mean it depends on what news article you read, what outlet it's from. It paints him as. Nobody's actually painting him as possibly guilty. There's a lot of defending him or there's just. Hey, this is what the Australian government is saying. But is. Is it from a long time ago? And do you know why this would all of a sudden come up?

[E]

It. Yeah, it's like, like the chart. The. Well, he's charged with like murdering someone unarmed and then he's got four charges of directing other people under his command to commit murder basically. And it's. It's going back to 2009 was the, was the murder charge and then, then, then the other ones are after. After that and where it's all come from is like we had a week as Pierce chief of defense force called Angus Campbell and after we kind of wrapped up our operations in Afghanistan, he's. He's like a woke. And he started this thing called the Burton Report. And the Burton Report was like led by a journalist for some stupid reason and started investigating Australian military action in Afghanistan. And there was no call for it. Like really no general outcall or no, no one really asking for it, but he's decided to just do it. And, and from that has come a whole heap of everyone bitching about each other and a bunch of apparent war crimes pop up. Yeah, so it's. It is. It's dated.

[D]

What is compared obviously we saw with Pat, with Eddie Gallagher here in the United States. What is the similarities, if any, as far as being detained, custody and how the. The government will handle this? Will he be like locked up, not allowed out or what. What will happen? We don't know anything about what you guys do.

[E]

It's. It's really, it's really hard to say. Like he had his. Like this is the problem with it all as well. Like they've been investigating and threatening it for like five. Five years. And then over those five years all these, like. And there's like it's not just him. It's, it's like I believe about 15 other SAS boys. And over those five years, like even one of them, apparently, one of them's like necked himself. And it's like all. They all think and these charges are hanging over their heads, but they didn't know whether anything would actually eventuate and, and then now it's obviously starting to eventuate and, or, or this is eventuated to Ben, who's the, like, he's, he's our most decorated alive soldier. Like, he's, he's one, like, he's one of Victoria Cross, which is our equivalent to your Medal of Honor. And that can't be taken off him because if that's for us in a particular act of valor. So that, that is what it is. But yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's just

[D]

when I look at it, it's, it's to be common sense is if something is bad, something should happen right away. Yes. If something takes five years, there's, there's something to be said about distance between investigation and charges. It's either there, it's not. And sometimes I think what they do in these cases is they drag it out so long that there's so much time from when everybody was outraged the first time that this, it started to where now everybody kind of forgot about it. Then they kind of sneak it in and go, oh, by the way, we just arrested all these guys. And, and everybody's like, what, what did they do again? And like, it kind of is like mind warfare. Like distance creates, creates nobody kind of letting it go. You're also never safe. And can you imagine living for five years knowing you're. Every day you wake up, you could potentially be charged with war crimes and sentenced to, what is it, life in prison for every count that they're facing? That's got to be a. For a guy that's got, you know, the, the top dog man, the guy

[E]

that did everything, done like six, six trips to Afghanistan, you know, like so. And like six trips with the SAS to Afghanistan. And the problem with the Australian army as well, like we were to. We're too scared to send regular soldiers over there for so long. So what we've done is we just flogged the, out of our special forces. And like so you had the commandos over there and the SS over there going out doing like regular soldier jobs, not, not their jobs, which is like, like SAS should be long range reconnaissance kind of missions. But they were going out there just like kicking doors like, like infantry should be, but we're too scared of losing numbers because we're a bunch of we.

[C]

And we've learned throughout this podcast and broadcast that the Australian SAS is different than the British sas. Are all. Anybody else that has been brought up on charges are. Have they been arrested for these charges yet or is it just.

[E]

Just Ben? Yeah, no, it's just all hanging. They're just hanging things over. It's like they spent 300 million to 3. They spent $300 million to investigate all of this and they haven't charged anyone like in that last five years until now. And then what they've done is they've charged like our most decorated soldier buddy two weeks before Anzac Day. And Anzac Day is like odd. Our day of Anzac Day is where everyone gets together and just respects all the service that any service members have done for, you know, past and present have done for, for our nation. And they. He walks off a plane from bloody from Brisbane to Sydney and then as he's walking off the plane with his twin daughters, they have the media waiting there and the Australian Federal Police arrest him in front of a parade. That's it. It's like a pony show.

[C]

Yes, that is definitely a dog and pony show. That is definitely them trying to show. I mean, because you take like you said man, you, you arrest somebody like that, nobody's safe.

[E]

You know, I was interested in your take obviously being on both sides of things, like obviously police and, and military yourselves. But like it, it all just doesn't make sense who's interested in and how any like, because like, even when, when I was serving and we were getting trained, we were getting trained up to go somewhere and we're doing gone. Like I had like most of my like senior officers and whatnot were Vietnam vets, you know, like the, the old boys, the company sergeant major, regiment starter majors and that. Like, even when we're going to places we'd get told like if you got the bloke on top of a hill who's got a goat next to him or whatever, he's just on, on the lookout like Vietnam stories and just pop him off and you've got bloody jack rounds in your bloody bag and you put them next to him or you put a radio next to him and all of a sudden he's a combatant, you know, like, and then he's SAS boys like be if they don't do worse than that. But it is what it is. You're dealing with the, you're dealing with people don't play by the rules and you've got to find work works a way around it. So like, I mean what you do is you just let them operate and do the job they do and don't stick your nose in it.

[D]

Now your government, this is by nine Lodge, you guys have a little less, your government controls you guys a little bit more with media, social media, what guys can say, police can't really speak out. So in this case what it looks like is there's always that old like you can beat the rap but you won't beat the ride. Like making that media spectacle of this like convicts him in front of the country and even if it goes away, they got their moment of like power by arresting him in front of everybody with his daughters. So it creates the image that he's a bad guy. And then if for some reason he gets off or somebody go, there's no recourse for that. He can't go. He's never gonna be able to go back and get damages from the government or sue the government. His life is ruined. Even if he wins in, in a year, two years.

[C]

And that's a good point too because here like Mike said, Eddie Gallagher was incarcerated for war crimes that he didn't commit and treated very unfairly, not necessarily by the federal government, by the NCIS of the military, which is the federal government, I understand that but it wasn't like our White House coming after him, it was the military. But Eddie has now been able to flip that and start a non profit and be a voice of reason for people that are unjustifiably incarcerated or charged. And is that even possible to do in Australia? Like if this, if, if he is able to beat these charges, hope God willing and come out on top of this, is he going to be able to flip it on Australia and say no now we're not going to do this or will they silence him?

[E]

I think slowly but surely like we've got a, a politician who's been around a long time here called Pauline Hansen like One nation Party and, and all of a sudden like, or even like probably since COVID like every, everyone's turning because we've got two parties, they're called labor and liberal over here and, and they're all just the bloody same and they've just all turned like left as it's just all wokeism and like Crocker you know, like look, look, bringing it, bringing in that many immigrants that no one can afford a house anymore. And it's all like, it's just driven things Mad. So now all of a sudden, like, you've got this. This woman, Pauline Hansen, and she's. Her poles are going through the roof. And like, she's always said it to start with, like, Australians first and make sure unless mum and dad and kids have a. Have it. Can buy a house and everything can operate then stop looking after immigrants. Stop, like, look after. Yeah, look after your bloody backyard before you worry about anything else.

[C]

But.

[E]

And now their popularity has gone mad. And like, the latest polls shows they're going to have a big chunk of the parliament. So I can. And she. And f. Like, credit to her, like, first thing this morning, she piped up and she was on social media saying, like, is an outrage really, what's happened to Ben and what's. What's happened to the others. It's not just bam, it's the other. The other boys who have all got it all hanging over the shoulders too.

[C]

Yeah. And then, you know, they're, of course, probably they want. It seems like they want Ben the most because he's the most decorated, he's the most rich target.

[E]

Well, I think they want to show that that bloody 300 million million's going somewhere. Or 400 million. It's grown, obviously.

[D]

Yeah. You can't with no prize.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's. What? There's, There's. They know they've. They've given. They paid Afghan. Afghans money to continue give bloody statements like, on them. And. And then blokes who have given statements against Ben, they've come back and said, you know, he's like an awesome soldier and all sorts of stuff, but. But then they're saying, oh, this is what I've heard. So it's all hearsay. And then other blokes who actually said they've seen it guys have been kicked out of his unit because, you know, he wasn't happy the way. Or that someone wasn't happy the way they were performing. Probably him.

[A]

But.

[D]

Sounds identical. Yeah, it sounds like the same identical train they ran on.

[H]

Eddie.

[E]

This way.

[A]

They had the.

[E]

The bloke. Bloke who. Who used to be looking after investigation with Australian Federal Police. They had him on there and he was. He was started off investigating it and started off saying that it's just about impossible to prove because you can't get the. You can't get the weapon, you can't get the bodies, you can't get the, you know, the projectiles. You can't get.

[C]

I mean, this is all gonna be 14.

[D]

14 to 18 years ago, too it's

[C]

like, yeah, this is all gonna be hearsay.

[E]

Yeah, it's all hearsay. So like it's basically like just about like. And he got. He tried to try to sue like a newspaper in one of the courts, whatever you call it, I'm not that savvy on all that. But try to sue them on that. But then the judge kind of kicked it out and it was okay for that court. But they were saying it's not. It's not held as high regard as is criminal court. So they were saying in criminal court, like basically it's. It's going to be bloody hard to prove that. What's. As you're saying it's hearsay. So you know, you can.

[D]

That's the, that's the catch. All that they don't need to win that. They made their. They. They spent the money, they got their moment on the press. They can blame whoever really wants to push this can blame a jury or somebody else and go, oh, we did all we could and, and. But nobody suffers at that. All those people involved in that go home and go to bed that night with zero loss. This guy is now scarred the rest of his life as a knock on a national hero. A guy that deserves to be treated with the utmost respect now has that hanging on him the rest of his life. Probably new. No repercussions. And nobody will care other than the people close to him. Everybody else will forget about it. And this dude's mental health now and everything is shot for something that is 16 years old and can't be proven. It just, it just doesn't. It's not fair for these guys to go through this. It's. It's complete.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

The bloke who. Bloke who started this bloody. That who was like the chief defense force when I was in the army as well is this Angus Campbell and give you like a little picture on him. His wife was like head of bloody gender equality in Australia, which is a big crock of. And she had her trip over somewhere which cost 700000 for her to go to go to a conference of some other. And while I was in they were banning skull and crossbones from our insignia and our banners. Like we're. We're right. We're infantry R, man like trying to kill people every day. But I can't have a skull and crossbone flag. Like bunch of queer cs. But anyway, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that.

[D]

Whatever you want, man.

[C]

Yeah, you say whatever you want.

[E]

So that gives you a picture of him. And then as soon. As soon as. And then what he's trying to do, he's trying to paint himself a pretty picture for after he's left the ADF and like trying to get into politics, which he is now. He's overseas. Bloody diplomat to Belgium and Europe and the EU or some. He's. He's a biggest piece of. In the world and. And while he was in. Retention rates for the army were the lowest ever and recruitment rates for the military were the lowest ever. Because who the would want to join when your chief of defense force is trying to. You.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That goes without saying. The. The state of Australia in general, we've had a lot of people. It's like any country. I'll be the first one to say Americans are ignorant to a lot of the world. And you know when. When something happens in Canada, a lot of Canadians go, hey man, that ain't us, dude. We're. We're sec. We're. We're polarized just like every other country. And then you go down to, you know, you look at Australia and we, we critiqued Australia on being oppressive, especially during COVID And there was a lot of people coming at us saying our. Our country's great. You don't know what you're talking about. And then we have people saying, no, absolutely not. It's a leftist society. It's getting worse and they're definitely oppressing us.

[D]

They were dragging people to jail during COVID weren't they?

[E]

Yeah, it was a state by state thing, but like, like I'm in Western Australia and we were like. They basically just like isolated us. So we didn't have like much of. Much of muchness. But over east they were. Yeah, they were rest. They were doing all sorts. Yeah, it was. It's like, it's. It's funny, you know. Like, it's like you look at America and every. Obviously you're so big and every. Every different state's different. Like, like. But I guess you put a lot of like California, like they're trying to. With everything and like a lot of businesses went under and. Yeah, that. No. And then everyone was just like overreactive. Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Wake his piss.

[D]

Yeah, Weakest. No, I get it. What about the. What was the response to get off that topic was that. That shooting. You guys had a terrorist attack. How did that. What was that like living there? Like, I know we have a lot more over here. What was the response from the government and all that to that situation? You guys Had.

[E]

Well yeah, nothing positive. Yeah the other, the Prime Minister at the minute he's a, he's, he's a, he's limp wristed, he's, he's got, he's got, doesn't have a set of balls on him at all and the site will don't even refer him back to that previous topic Ben Robert Smith had like full time federal police monitoring for ages and then these people who came into our country like foreigners all like straight away like bought six firearms and blah blah blah and we're all probably on someone else's watch list went over, went over to Philippines and we're hanging out with other terrorists and federal police didn't, didn't bother like have a squiz at them. You know let's look at Australian exercise,

[D]

look at the war hero, look at the war heroes.

[E]

Yeah you know he's a big threat idiots. But yeah, no it's, it's limited like every, everything like the, the government's they're just reactive, they're not proactive and they're just weak as piss. And Miranda, I mean Miranda to the keep keep the crowd happy basically. But, and it's the who speaks the loudest gets the, gets an answer but who's speaking the loudest is a bunch of left wing and is that the

[D]

way the policing is going too? Obviously you guys are having immigration issues like everywhere else and are the police being pulled back and not allowed to get aggressive and enforce the laws? Is it like a countrywide problem?

[E]

Not, not countrywide I don't reckon like I, I, I unfortunately I've dealt with my cops here a little bit. I've had a drama too but in Western Australia they're good. I've, I've had my moments with them but I, I respect them and, and it's all been sorted out in the end but no they don't mess around here but you go Greece and they're that there they are, they're like yeah, yeah they're different over east but West Australia don't around.

[C]

Mark asked if your media there is as up as the media in America.

[E]

Oh, probably worse. Yeah I'd say as up your media is pretty up. Look I've got a good example of this but like so there's a, there's a veteran here as an ex commando and his name's Heston Russell and he was in Afghanistan and the media here, the ABC who's a government funded media corporation edited his footage from his war footage and added more gunshots in his war Footage. Footage to make him look like they were shooting at innocent civilians while he was not. And that they talk. They got false testimonies and they paid for false testimonies from, like, American pilots and all sorts. And then afterwards, the American pilots and other. All sorts came back afterwards saying, no, they just paid me in money and said, say this and said, no worries, like, give me the cash.

[C]

That's insane. That is absolutely insane.

[E]

Yep. Yeah. And then published it and put it on the paper like that. This. This other hero, you know, like bloody. A decorated soldier is some sort of criminal. And he. And. And one of the. One of another. Another buddy journalist who's also in the media here, brought out a book, won an award for his book. Came out that his book's full of lies as well. Like talking about Arkmanos. And then Heston sued them, end up getting 500, 000 bucks from it. And now, like, I just see him on social media. It looks like he's holidaying all around the world with his 500 grand.

[C]

But.

[E]

So, yeah, no, they're just pieces of. And they're, they're very, very happy to jump on the bandwagon of burning anyone who, you know, are our heroes. Like, I'm. I'm a veteran, but I'm. I haven't done the jobs these blokes have done, but, you know.

[C]

Yeah. How long were you in the. In the military for?

[E]

Seven years. Okay.

[C]

And. Yeah, yeah, you're. You're. You're a Patreon member. What. What made you. How'd you hear about us?

[E]

I was following Jimmy. Jimmy, Jimmy. So what's a. What's the big fella? The seal.

[C]

Oh, yeah, Jimmy Watson.

[E]

Yeah, Jimmy. I was following Jimmy Watson and he was talking about you boys and then I started watching you guys and then I was like, listen to one of your episodes. Like, I work now. Now work away in the mines and stuff, like. And I can't. I can't watch live so much because my. The reception's dog. So I have to download the episodes and I started listening to you boys and I was like, yeah, this is more my. My jam. And I, I listen to you guys and I listen to. There's a Two worlds collide in Australia. Who's a. He's same thing. He's just Australian regular, regular bloke. And that's how I was messaging him as well before, like telling him that, you know, he. He's probably a better bloke to talk to than me because he's probably more media savvy.

[C]

But as you're one of the boys, man, we want to hear it from the boys. That's what we want.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. You're getting.

[D]

Yeah. Excellent podcast. But you. You're very well spoken.

[C]

You do.

[D]

You do a good job relaying the information, so.

[C]

And your accent's not too thick. I can still understand what you're saying.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Kyler has a hard time with basic English, so we're in a good spot that he can understand you.

[E]

That's all right.

[C]

Thank you so much for coming on. Did he. Do you know if he got bail? If he was. If he's still in car. He did.

[E]

He didn't even apply for it. He. He's. They.

[C]

They.

[E]

They knew they weren't. So he didn't even apply for it.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

And he. So he's currently in Silver Water Jail in New South Wales. But people. People aren't happy about it. There's. And they're like, coming up to Anzac Day, it's gonna not go down too well at all.

[C]

Yeah. All right. If there's any more updates, man, please send. Send us whatever you see. I. You know, we get inundated with all kinds of news updates, but I really want to stay on top of this because I want to know how long he's going to sit incarcerated because that's. That's super up and I hate that.

[E]

Yeah. And especially, like, even the charges over the other boys, like, all just need to off.

[C]

Yeah. Yep. All right, Crossy, well, get a good night's sleep, man. Thank you for staying up to come on the live show with us, man. Thanks for the support and we'll talk to you soon.

[E]

Cheers, boys. Thank you.

[C]

Thanks.

[D]

All right, here's the final poll numbers. As soon as Lewis removes the gas.

[C]

I got. Lewis took about seven minutes.

[D]

Final poll numbers were 18 votes for G Money. All right. Two votes for our. Four votes for Ryan.

[C]

So G Money's gonna want to know who voted for him.

[D]

I voted for Ryan.

[C]

Who would win in a fight? Okay, so that. That is cool, though, that Ryan asked to. To be on with G Money, because I didn't think you'd want to.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Nick also asked this morning. He goes, let me in. No, like, while he was talking, he

[D]

said, let me in. I did that once as a joke, but I can't. I can't allow the pitbull in when

[C]

Nick will talk over me. If he's hyped, he'll talk. I'll just.

[D]

And he pitches at us for. For our one time we talked over him on the day where we had him on. He'll go on it. He has his rant and he starts and you can't. You couldn't interrupt him with a bulldozer. He's not coming. The van could be flipping upside down, getting towed and he's gonna. Upside down. America, America, America. He's not gonna stop. Not a chance.

[C]

All right, we're gonna take a quick commercial break. We will be right back with Dominic Izzo. And after him, some pro America. Over a century ago, in 1910, the

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And we're back. The show is also brought to you by Crave Creatine Gummies. Go to try crave.com and use promo code Anti Air 15. Save 15 on your creatine gummies. Um, it's been proven, especially in the last five years, how important creatine is for your mental function. In your brain, you can boost 30% strength and get up to 30% more size with just creatine. However, now creatine's coming in gummies. But you need to watch out because a lot of companies will say, hey, we have creatine gummies and they don't have creatine in them. Crave has done their creatine test as a mark as their commercial for their company. We've had them, we've tasted it. I replaced the creatine I was using with crave for 30 days. I kept all my size definition. I know when you get off creatine, you can definitely tell. You just lose that volume. So go to tricrave.com and use promo code ANTIHERO15 and save 15 on your creatine gummies. I promise you guys, you won't regret it.

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This is a local company owned by real people, not a. Not a Ponzi scheme or any other stuff like some of these companies are. We talked to the owner and all their staff directly. They're super happy with the anti hero counterculture crew. So I can also account for that. Since I started taking this brand, I've felt a lot different than any other brand.

[C]

You're getting creatine?

[D]

Oh, really? Is that what it is? That helps. It wasn't a jelly bean.

[C]

It wasn't a fruit snack.

[D]

Oh, my bad.

[C]

Okay, Slimy brick fruit snack.

[D]

I still have it to prove it.

[C]

And Counterculture Inc. Lewis. Yeah, that's me.

[D]

Oh, I thought Lewis did it. All right.

[C]

Cataculture. I am sorry, Louis. I'm just used to the. The. The Tuesdays and Wednesdays and Fridays I have to do it all myself. So sometimes it's hard for me to release it to you.

[D]

He's got autism.

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I did it already.

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[C]

See, I don't touch it. Talking about Patreon, he leaves Cotville.

[D]

Patreon, Patreon. Don't forget to join our Patreon, the fastest growing Patreon, where you get behind the scenes, some pictures of Lewis before the show so you get to see what Lewis is doing in gaming. And all the inside information, custom videos. And I talked to one of our. One of our biggest supporters, Nick the gun guy. So what we're going to do, I'm gonna announce this right now.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

What we're going to start doing is two things. We're getting back to the Patreon giveaways. So Nick the gun guy has offered up custom cups, engravable things. We're going to give away one per month to the Patreon paid members. And we're going to start a New program. We're going to keep track of any super chat over $10 during any show on counterculture or anti hero. If you put a Super chat in over $10. 20, you'll be in a monthly drawing. You will get free again, custom care package from us, courtesy of Nick the Gun guy, who has turned out to be a huge, huge supporter and advocate of the show. Loves you guys. Everything you guys are about this community. So two new things starting. We'll start in April. What's this April? We'll start May.

[C]

Who's gonna do the drawing?

[D]

Well, I'll do it. I have this all. Matter of fact, we're starting this month. We're starting April 9th of 2026.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

So from this point forward, all I need you to do is find the Super Chats. From this point forward, you can't keep

[C]

up with Super Chats like that.

[D]

You can tell how much they are

[C]

of every show for the whole month.

[D]

Yeah, no, I'll do it after.

[C]

I'll.

[D]

I got it, Tyler. You just.

[C]

Yeah, well, the one thing I don't have is time. I do sift through every Super Chat

[D]

I do, so every Super Chat, I go right at the end.

[C]

I couldn't spend four minutes doing it and then just pick one and go. You win.

[D]

No, no, no. At the end of every show, I can go back and see all the Super Chats. Correct.

[C]

You can go into the YouTube studio and go into the analytics and look at every single episode and look at all Super Chat. Super Chat, I think. I'm not sure.

[D]

Simple. Okay. So easy way is join Patreon. If you're a member of Patreon, you're going to be in the drawing every month for a free giveaway. And then every $10 super chat, I will handle it because Tyler is busy.

[C]

Justin said he can help you. He said, that's easy. Tyler and I. And I translate that into. Justin's gonna help out.

[D]

Justin is going to do all the work and I'm going to announce the winner every week, every month. So starting today, if you're a member of Patreon at the end of the month and every 10 super chat on either network, you'll be in a drawing. Two care packages going out a month courtesy of our guy, Nick the Gun guy.

[C]

You know, Tyler, Jura doesn't approve.

[D]

No. Tyler wants to charge all of you double your Super Chat and give you stickers that are laying around that were returned by somebody who stole them.

[C]

I do not. I'm just kidding.

[D]

He's not really. What do you mean we're gonna pay five extra dollars?

[C]

I didn't say that. My whole thing is just making sure it gets done.

[D]

It will get done.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Justin just agreed to help. On what day is that on?

[C]

On May 9th? Friday. Yeah, on Friday.

[D]

May 1st. On Friday. May 1st. Justin.

[C]

Dude,

[D]

Justin's eliminated because he's part of the crew, so. Appreciate the money, though. No, you're involved. You're definitely. On May 1, Friday, from the comfort of my home, we will announce the first two winners of the care packages, courtesy of Nick the gun guy.

[C]

First two?

[D]

Yeah. Patreon will get one, and the super regular listeners will get one. That the 10 super chat May 1st. If I forget, it's like May 13th, my birthday, and it still hasn't happened. Then I spent the money on birthday gifts.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Or I put it on Black.

[C]

I'll call May 1st.

[D]

It's happening.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Oh, look, we got another one. 999 counts. 999 and up. Because I know that's a default.

[C]

Mike's gonna go. He's gonna know April 9, he's gonna go to this mess. He's gonna be like, I'm not doing any of that. He's gonna go, okay, I can't use Justin. James De La Cruz, you are the winner.

[D]

James, you just got eliminated for being able to win. Because if you randomly win, I'm gonna be accused of it. So change your name and then do another $10.

[C]

Chief Rainwater wins. Surprise.

[D]

All right, let's not keep the man waiting. All right, Dominic ISO Lewis, bringing him in.

[B]

I'm good, dude. You guys keep going.

[D]

No, no, we're good. Hey, I gotta go.

[B]

What are you guys dosing your creatine?

[D]

How much it is? I take three a day, sometimes more. And my wife yells at me, says my kidneys are gonna.

[C]

They're 1.5.

[D]

No.

[B]

God. This is not 1990. With the research, you have to have water. So as long as you're drinking enough water.

[D]

You got it.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

How many grams are you taking a day?

[D]

I take three. Usually a day. Sometimes I double it.

[C]

No gummies.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

1.5. So it's 5.5 grams.

[B]

Okay, so there's something. They've got a bunch of podcasts talking about it now. And at first I thought it was just a way to sell more creatine, but creatine is the number one sold supplement on the planet. It's the cheapest. People are taking upwards of 30 grams a day.

[C]

That's a lot.

[B]

Well, it's. It is A lot. And I, I've gotten up to 20 grams a day. I, I can't say if I've seen a noticeable difference, but the whole thing with creatine is there's, there's no loading phase and creatine after a while absorbs in your system. So you have to take it consistently for like two weeks for it actually to have some type of effect in your body. And the more water you put in, the more that it floods your muscles water. So it's, it's a good thing. But they're saying that the, the effect on the brain when you get to about 20 to 30 grams a day is profound.

[D]

Yeah, I'm trying to get down, eat them.

[C]

By the way.

[D]

What about.

[C]

I got my blood work done and it said creatine red is that I'm over in my creatine. Is there any health defects to having too much creatine?

[B]

I, well, it's in red meat.

[F]

Right?

[B]

So I, I don't, I, I, dude, what did I watch the other day? So some massive fitness influencer. YouTube got like 10 million followers and now the case study is saying that we don't need 10,000 steps per walking per day and 8,000 enough. And I'm 51 and I've seen every trend in fitness since the early 80s when I got involved in this. And it's well, mid-80s and it's like every. Everything's a theory. Everything's a theory. So when it comes to creating.

[D]

Except steroids, guaranteed to work.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[D]

Never, never fails. I gotta plug your product though.

[B]

You guys telling me, actually you got to talk with the owner.

[D]

Not only that, they're not owned by a Chinese lady. Wow, so you buy a, by a regular dude right here in Florida.

[C]

Yeah. I will say this right before, look, right before we ended our thing with our last sponsor that was creatine based, I got a call from a friend, I don't know if this friend wants to be named. And he goes, hey man, I just, I did some research, super easy stuff, all open source. And he said the company's primarily owned by a Jing Jing pin out in somewhere in Europe. I did that. Yeah.

[B]

On it. But I'm gonna tell the last company, I'm not going to name them, was a scam scumbag of a company who would not let me speak to the owner. I said, I emailed Texas said, hey, I would like to partner with you guys. Oh, absolutely. We'll do this. We'll let. They sent me their product. Their product was in my Opinion, in my opinion. And every time I wanted to talk to the owner, I couldn't. And then I googled it, and it was a bri. It was a Chinese woman living in Britain. Who's the 52 or 53. Owner of the company. They're a. They're a scumbag company.

[D]

This company's right here in St. Petersburg, Florida. We talk to them directly. They're local dudes.

[C]

Very.

[D]

I mean, when.

[C]

When.

[D]

Obviously one of the perks of sitting here every day is they ship it to us for free. And I just say, hey, man, I'm getting low. Do you want me? But it's on us. Boom. Like two days later, comes in the mail, three bags. My favorite is the green apple because it's a little sour, but great flavor. Great. You can taste the creatine in it. Because creatine does not taste good. It doesn't taste like a fruit snack. And it works. And they're local and they're able to talk to them directly. So it's a great, great company to support. Unlike a Chinese virus company.

[B]

If they are not. If they're not run like the last company, then everybody and their mother should use Tasty Gay or should use Crave.

[C]

Excuse me.

[G]

Don't use.

[B]

No, don't use Crave. What's the discount code from the. The antihero.

[D]

Anti air 15.

[B]

Anti L15. Use anti L15 on Crave. Creatine gummies. Because the other company, in my opinion, to avoid all legal prosecution, is a cow company.

[E]

They are.

[C]

And it's really sad, too, to see people that I introduced them to. Right? Like, they were like, oh. They're like, do you have his number? I'm like, sure. And I never. I never gatekeep my contacts, especially when it's opportunity for other people. And seeing these people say, like, you

[D]

know, they were the first ones to

[C]

go, yeah, they're just like, ah. I use. I know for a fact what I know about the company. And we parted ways with them and these people are still pumping them like. Like they're God's gift to, you know, fitness.

[D]

And I'm like, I mean, no, that's it. Yeah, you're right.

[C]

Anyways, anyways. Dominic Gizzo.

[B]

Yeah, what's up?

[C]

You saw last night's shoot on the. On a Hot Topic was a good shoot. And I. I'm conflicted. I'm still trying to get pulled one way or the other.

[B]

What do you could. In the. In the very bare bones of everything. What.

[D]

What are you conflicted over?

[C]

I'm Conflicted in the way that, the way they're prosecuting cops. I said it yesterday when we talked about it on this broadcast. I said, I will admit I am a victim of what the propaganda has told us. Brute facts, like, much like JoJo was talking about, brute facts is that an officer responded, gave a command to somebody with a deadly weapon, that person showed propensity to already use that weapon and then said no and lawful for lethal force was taken. That's it. 10, 15 years ago, this would be nothing. But the propaganda hat machine has even turned my mind when I look at it and I go, oh man, they didn't de, escalate that enough. That's bad.

[D]

But if you go take a poll, just a generic poll, and you say to cops, like, what's that? Family feud? We pulled 100 cops in America. Can you shoot a man with a bat?

[F]

Yes.

[D]

They're all gonna, I think you're gonna have above 90 say yes, maybe higher. With just that context. Well, we saw that context unfold and now everybody's like, well not that guy with the back. Like the general consensus would be, yes, you can.

[B]

Yeah, but what's the consensus? Are they actually vocal? Visible

[D]

money is a contributor. He doesn't like it.

[B]

Are they? But you know that, that, that the bottom line is it was a justified shooting. And I've said this since the beginning of doing any type of content. The more that cops are on the fence about prosecuting, really bad, really, when it needs to be done, simply because, all right, I don't want this guy who couldn't take a 90 pound female into custody prosecuted because he punched her in the head as hard as he could out of frustration. I, well, she was resisting. I want to back him because I want, if I'm ever in that circumstance, I want the objectively reasonable standard to apply to me too. The more that we don't do that, the more when it comes time to saying, hey, listen, you may not like this shoot, the shoot was a hundred percent justified, the harder it is to get to defend those cops. That's the problem. We're not prosecuting the shitbags who should be done. And that means that all these ones who are doing the job righteously, they're getting thrown in that mix.

[D]

Yep. And, and there are times when I see cops stretch it. And that's exactly what you're talking about. Like there's a bat in the room with us and he could have gone and got that bat. So I shot him. Over here in this corner where there's no Bat. And they try to make that stretch. You have a guy with a bat, you have a guy that's shown violence. And we broke it down pretty detailed. The expert witnesses here in the room as well, we broke it down pretty good. That with all that that sergeant was made aware of and everything that occurred and then given one another how many. How do we let him walk around the city again for another 30 minutes? You gave him the opportunity to drop it. I believe he should have been shot six minutes earlier, maybe 10 different times. They didn't. And I get the other argument from Nick G. Money is, well, you don't just get to show up and execute him. But we also don't get to show up and continue to allow him to terrorize the community and put our officers in danger. Walking through the street, some innocent lady runs him over. Now she's got to live with that. There's a thousand different bad things can be true.

[B]

Two things can be true at the same time, right? Can we say that tactics, they. They get paid by the hour. Can we say that they could have. And this is, this is two questions for the same answer. Could the cops have continued and turned this into 20, 30, 40 minutes, get every neighboring agency, get two cops from each agency to perform a board around them, then talk them down. Could that have been an option?

[D]

Sure.

[B]

Okay. Could the other option have also been use deadly force because it applied?

[D]

Absolutely.

[B]

So both options were. Both options would be justified, right?

[D]

Yep.

[B]

So there's.

[D]

And I look at it from the public safety is like, do we shut down the town? Now there's certain situations with a contained mental ill person in a house surrounded, can't get out. If he runs out of the house with a gun, we take him out, right? Sniper knocks him down, whatever happens. But do we stop all public safety to the, to everybody in the area to contain one moron with a bat who has shown violence and put everybody else in danger and allow all other calls to go unhandled, all the emergencies are put on.

[B]

Yes, you do. Because one dude, if you have brass, if you have brass who's willing to step up to the podium, have a press conference the next day, take those questions and say, what do you want done? I learned a great, great, great lesson. I was 18 years old. One of my first jobs was a Blockbuster Video and I worked for an Scott Fernbacher. If you're still alive. You taught me a great lesson. Scott talked about the fact.

[E]

What.

[D]

What was his background?

[C]

Sounds Jewish sales.

[B]

Scott actually told me he had the greatest answer for Any customer service, which I took in both when the restaurant industry was a bartender and law enforcement. Anytime somebody is bitching, moaning, complaining, anything, do you just go. What would you like me to do? 100 works, 100 of the time you have your public come up. Well, you shouldn't have shot him. What would you like us to do? Well, you shouldn't have let him go around town for an hour, terrorize me. What would you like us to do? The public should just shut the fuck up in a lot of cases. But, but they also should be teaching something. And, and I'm so tired of these police accountability review boards by citizens and they need to have every, every town needs to have an opportunity. They have, I don't know, a 40 hour class for the citizens online to say these are police tactics so that you understand why we do what we do. And if you don't sign up for the class, you don't watch it, it's free. All this just shut the up when it comes down for us doing our job.

[D]

Go ahead, Lewis, switch the camera. Let her talk.

[A]

Lewis is engaged in the arm.

[D]

Let her talk. Go ahead. Let's get your opinion.

[B]

So a lot of the.

[A]

This morning I'm arguing with somebody on a page that both of you guys are blocked.

[C]

From what you're arguing on.

[A]

First thing I wake up.

[D]

Who blocked your, your, you guys have been blocked. Your stripper prostitute friend? My stripper prostitute, Police law news.

[B]

Oh, is he gonna talk about his yet?

[D]

If I can. No. Anyway, yeah, we're both blocked because we called him out.

[A]

But, but a lot of these guys are, you know, talking about the preservation of life. And that's one of the principles of law enforcement organization, which it's not. And where they're, it's actually not. But you know, there's a lot of attention being given to the preserving the criminal's life. And at this moment he is a criminal. He's already damaged cars, he's assaulted people with a bat that are in the. So he's, he's committed a crime or at least probable cause to say he's committed a crime. When you think about priorities of life, which a lot of agencies operate on the hips. Hips, the acronym hostages, Innocence, police and suspect. When it comes to priority of life, suspect is all the way at the bottom. So I don't understand why all of a sudden we, we cherry pick situations and incidences where we somehow put suspect way at the top, above innocence that are out and about in public. We somehow give them the priority when we're Considering uses of force, the same thing. What I keep hearing is that people are under the assumption. We talked about it last night. That there is a. The use of force is some sort of stepladder if deadly force is justified. And write this down if you're a cop, because it seems like your training unit's not teaching you appropriately. Deadly force is justified. You do not have to use less force before you use deadly force. It's not a requirement. You don't have to. But in your example. But if you do, yeah, cool. It's okay if you opt to use a taser or. Or your hands or any other medium of force before deadly force. If it's deadly force is justified, it's justified. Whether you go through 10 other uses of force before you get there or you go through none, it is inconsequential. Doesn't matter.

[B]

It's not preservation of life as preservation of due process. And if the person dies, like you use force still for due process, if the person happens to die, the fact you pump nine rounds in them, that's not your problem, right? It wasn't. That was an outcome of the process of the force you used in the

[A]

effect and arrest law enforcement. It's literally. It's like, what was the color of George Washington's white horse? Law enforcement enforces laws. And if some level of force has to be used in order to do that, it's not really.

[G]

You guys are nuts. He was standing there, not. You guys are nuts. Moving. And you walk up and you just shoot him.

[A]

You don't have to be moving, Nick. You don't have to be moving. I don't know where this came from. Where did it come from that all of a sudden a suspect has to be moving to in order to be a threat? You have a dude in a driveway. We've seen this in scenario training a thousand times. You have a dude that's suicidal in a driveway, maybe his own driveway, and he has a gun pointed to his head like this.

[G]

You keep going to scenarios that have to do with a man with a bat standing 15ft away.

[C]

I can't believe a guy.

[D]

I can't believe a guy who admitted to putting a gun to somebody's head illegally handcuffed a guy who was handcuffed.

[C]

You put a gun to his head.

[B]

Okay?

[D]

You put a gun to another man's head, and you were okay with that.

[B]

Hello,

[D]

everybody.

[A]

Hello. The gun to the head in the driveway is an example. It's an illustration. And we. It's an analog.

[G]

Nothing to do with this job.

[A]

If you let me finish the example, you might see that there's a connection. But you won't let me finish.

[D]

Go ahead.

[A]

So if a dude is standing in a driveway and he has a gun to his head, I'm gonna kill myself. Before we got there, we have reports that maybe he was pointing the gun at family members. Right now they're safe and they're reporting that he's standing like this in the driveway. He's not moving. It doesn't mean he's not a threat because it takes 0.2 seconds to go like this to that and shoot cops. So if we shoot him while the gun is still pointed to his head, when we tell him to drop the gun and he says nope, nope, nope, and we shoot him as he's being completely still, it doesn't mean he wasn't a threat. You have to understand that case law doesn't apply to people who are in existence of threat. It's the potentiality of threat also that goes into the equation. They don't have to be at the moment deadly force was used.

[D]

What?

[G]

How does that work out for this cop? He'd have a better chance.

[C]

That's what I will say. I will say that he's saying it's 20, 26. So being right, justified by law by other cops. We're sitting here swearing up and down he might be spending 25 years.

[A]

So no, no, that we're day two of like indictment and we're saying how did it work out for him? We don't know because we're day two of the indictment. You can indict a ham sandwich. We've heard that. It means nothing. It doesn't. You're telling me that an indictment indicates guilt already? We're just going to assume that someone's guilty because they were indicted?

[G]

No, no, again now you're going. You're completely changing the subject and not talking about what's at hand here. You keep talking about all these what ifs and these different scenarios. Standing by himself. If he was smashing a car with something and that cop should have took his life at that point and he did it. And what your problem is were a bunch of they stood the around and let this guy dictate and narrate the situation.

[A]

You're wrong.

[G]

Face them and, and with their day,

[A]

you're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong.

[G]

Case law says you're wrong.

[A]

Case law says you're wrong. You are suggesting that because the action that was an assault already passed, that that means those cops that that means those cops no longer have a deadly force application available to them. And you're wrong. Just because he was violent three minutes ago and isn't violent anymore doesn't mean the potentiality for violence disappeared. Case law establishes that. You can have your opinion, but you're wrong.

[G]

What right you, you police by case law, you're going to get killed.

[D]

I think in this case you're going to be safer.

[C]

Yeah, I'm with Nick. Nick broke the Internet for me when he said, and where's that officer at now? And I. I'm not going to speak for Sal. So I'm going to say something and just make people. You know, we've covered Saladrati's case as much as we can. And I'm going to ask a rhetorical question. I don't want to know the answer and I don't want to go into it. Would Sal pull that trigger again if he could Go back and think about it.

[D]

So let's go to the SAS guy we just talked about. Where'd he end up? He went to war and fought for his country. End up indicted. So everybody should stop have going to war. We should all stop killing people in Afghanistan and stop going to war. We should all stop doing the police job because a guy got indicted.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. If our government officials are going to do this to our cops. Absolutely. Don't sign up for the job.

[D]

Yeah, okay.

[C]

Leave the sheep slaughter. Then they'll elect Beautiful who will actually look out for the people that are doing that for them.

[D]

But we can't do that because this has already happened.

[A]

Yeah, but then we'll turn around and people that don't do that, we're going to call them cowards.

[D]

And it took a year to indict them.

[C]

Hold on.

[G]

They're a bunch of. They should have been real, the guys

[D]

that were there before he shot him. Correct? Correct. I agree as well. He should have been dead seven seconds into that video. But I don't think it doesn't change.

[A]

I don't know what dialect of English is required here, but just because that those actions that you're saying he could have been shot for at that exact moment. The justification for the deadly force based on those actions doesn't disappear. It's still applied. It's the totality of the circumstances. It's not moment of threat. You're not given a 2 second win. What do you mean no?

[D]

How.

[A]

How are you saying no to law? I. I don't understand that.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

We're all going to be governed based on opinions now. Yeah, that sounds.

[C]

Well, I want to ask Dominic's opinion about what we were talking about where Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Do you think a cop in 2026 should be living by case law? Living because I can shoot this guy or should he be thinking what's going to happen when I justifiably lawfully shoot this guy? But how is this going to be perceived? Do you. What's your thoughts on that?

[B]

You have. How can you.

[D]

Right.

[B]

Everyone talks about the fact that the. The rapid tense ever evolving circumstances. I don't think any of us were in this situation. Hey, what's his case law? X, Y and Z. Even though in two seconds you can think you have like 30 thoughts and whatnot. But if you don't police by case law, you're. The problem is we don't prosecute by case law. We prosecute by opinion. That's why some cops get away with and other cops who actually do the right thing they get prosecuted for. That's the problem we have.

[D]

I will also say this. We had an old saying in the. In the tough guy era of policing, I'd rather be carry judged by 12 and carried by six. Right. Where'd that tough guy attitude go? Every cop walked around I'll do whatever I want. I'm gonna be. I'm not gonn be carried by six. I'm going to be judged by 12. Now we gave up. We pussified to the point.

[B]

Yeah, but who's a jury of your peers now you trust.

[D]

That's another argument. But the point I'm making is is doing what's right to preserve life in your own life and everybody else's life around you should take precedent over what a jury is going to think about what you did. That's not true.

[A]

No. The part is that it's not. It's questionable is just because the jury of the peers finds you guilty or not guilty. How many? We have the Supreme Court for a reason that actually applies law. For when. For when juries of peers and people that are not well versed on law get it wrong in the trial. So it goes up the Supreme Court just like it did in Plumhoff vs Rickard where qualified immunity was granted. And they said the circuit court got it wrong. This is wrong. You inappropriately applied the fourth amendment. You inappropriately applied applied the constitution. It was reasonable force and they're entitled to qualified immunity on top of it. The jury got it wrong. The circuit court got it wrong. The judge Got it wrong. You all got it wrong. So just because a jury finds you guilty, they also let's I keep going back to this. They also found O.J. simpson innocent and Casey Anthony innocent. So I don't know why we always put so much weight and quality on juries, like it's part of the due process. And that's all well and beautiful. They don't always get it right. And the Supreme Court is there and the other, the appeals court and the Supreme Court is there to make sure all that checks and balances stays aligned.

[C]

Well, I, I agree with Nick. I, I being a realist, I'm not a cop anymore. And I try to give advice. And the first thing, my opinion, this is just my opinion. If, if they could slow down time and they go, hey, Tyler, you've got nine years experience, I've got two. Would you pull the trigger right now?

[D]

I'd say in Sal's request, I don't think you can because the guy had a gun. I don't know how you can change the outcome of that and say, yeah, if you knew he didn't have a real gun or he wasn't going to shoot it, that's fine. In this case, I think you, I still think it's justified shooting, but I think that's the same as all of them. Sonia Massey, every other application is. Would you do that again? No, I wouldn't do that again if I knew I was going to prison. I don't think Derek Chauvin would have kneeled now on George Floyd again if he knew he was going to go to prison. So I, I understand what you're saying, but if we have a. And not non cops anymore, which we're a couple clowns, right? We're not cops anymore. Yeah, we have the Monday morning quarterback chair to go this. But yeah, I wouldn't, I would suggest no one be a cop anymore anymore if this is what's going to continue to happen. But there still has to be good cops out there to do this job, to protect our families and everything. So I don't base it all on, well, it, we're gonna get indicted, don't do the job anymore.

[F]

We have to.

[D]

We have to.

[A]

I just want to say that I'm not saying this dude justified or unjustified. Like I've said that multiple times. I know people aren't usually good listeners. As a whole, I've not said it's justified or not justified. There's a lot of information. I think that it's still not out there. However, What I was reading is people immediately crucifying this dude and immediately saying it's definitively not reasonable that he shot him. And that's crazy and wild to me, especially as cops that have been on the receiving end of being crucified on situations where people didn't have the entire load of information. So for me, these are talking points and thinking points, right? And bringing case law because we are governed by law.

[E]

I don't, I don't know why that

[A]

is seems new, but we are governed by law. And we should be having like conversations, but we should be using facts, not just opinion. Opinion is some part of the equation, but using facts and opening up the, the dialogue and not saying, well, it looks bad, the optics are bad. So this, this wasn't justified and this wasn't reasonable. Without looking at the broader picture that that's my only. I'm not saying this is justified or not justified. The point is to have a conversation

[D]

because like we played that video last night. All of us looked at that car shooting from the 2000s and was like, that's horrible. And then we find out The Supreme Court voted 90 that it was justified. I was like, when she showed to me for the first time, I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. That looks like murder. From what I've been told through the media, through every other shooting I've looked at, it almost applies to the, to the one in Minnesota where it's like, what happened before? Kind of the Supreme Court said everything that happened prior caused xyz. Now I don't know that she did all prior, which was fleeing for a long period of time. But when I saw just the clipped part, I was like, bro, they murdered this guy. And then The Supreme Court goes 9 0, he's justified. And I was like, okay, that's kind of crazy. So that's where case law does apply because it is important to know that in that situation, well, let me get run over because I don't want to go to trial or do I shoot this guy. So just one more thing. I think all of us can agree it's one more thing for cops to think about prior to doing their job, which is, in Dom's opinion, the easiest job on earth, but it is. But overall, it's another thing for these guys to have to worry about when they're making that life altering decision for everybody. A family, a bad guy, their own family, the public, it's another disaster you're

[B]

gonna see an increase of. It's like academies are going to start teaching oh, here's some of the knife. Talk to them back up 15 times, 20 times. Well, in Jersey, it's mandatory, but you're gonna see it. It's going to be incoming.

[C]

Well, they're definitely not going to teach people. First off, if this guy's black, definitely. Second, think it. First off, second think it. Third think it. They're not going to teach you that in the academy, but they're also not going to teach you, hey, might want to wait until this guy does something else other than exist with a bat. Because you are subject to being prosecuted because everything's corrupt and the DA's are source.

[D]

It's kind of like dealing with. My favorite analogy is gambling. The house has the advantage, right. So the agency and the government have the advantage because you're out there on your own. You got to hit that soft 16 or. And go, am I going to win this hand or not? They go, oh, you busted.

[G]

Sorry.

[D]

You know, they get to make the final decision. It's really a casino situation. You go shoot the gun. Well, you hit, and that was a 10. You lose. Oh, you hit, and it was a four this time, and you win. So it's kind of like the house always has the advantage, which is the public's going to crucify you no matter what, based on their beliefs. But the government and the agency are going to crucify you based on the Monday quarterback. And what they decide.

[B]

The public would have loved if. And this is how up they are.

[D]

They.

[B]

They want to see punishment, but they don't want to see the job being done as it should. The public would have loved if seven of those cops jumped on that guy, broke his jaw, broke his arm, put him in cuffs, and he still lives. They would have been like, yeah, around. Find out. But you have somebody does the Indiana Jones does the right thing, the lawful thing, and it's, oh, I would have done this.

[D]

Do you want me to make the shooting justified for everybody?

[B]

Go ahead.

[D]

The guy had a child pornography case in his past.

[C]

Yeah.

[G]

100. So it's all right.

[D]

You can't switch now.

[G]

You might have had a suicide vest. So it's a good shooting.

[D]

That's what I'm talking about.

[A]

But he was standing still with us.

[G]

If you had clacked that bottom of

[D]

the bat, the knob was in the back.

[C]

Yeah.

[G]

So it's a good. It's a great shooting, man. If you clack that off. Because he knew. He knew his name was Armand.

[D]

See, that's how my dinner conversations go. By the end of dinner, you're right, babe.

[B]

It was great.

[D]

Everything was perfect. See how that effect works?

[C]

I am wrong.

[D]

I couldn't be more wrong. Do you know that? I couldn't have been more wrong about what I said.

[C]

I was never saying I'm right.

[D]

No, that needs to be.

[G]

I know.

[D]

You're very intelligent. I wanted to stimulate your brain a little bit. So I pretended I was wrong for a short period of time to then ultimately tell you were right. This is great conversation, though.

[E]

This is what.

[D]

This is what the show is for.

[B]

Would you have liked to be seen, be done?

[G]

Oh, me?

[D]

Yeah, Nick, he asked you what would you like.

[G]

Yeah, I told you. I would have maced the dude and had someone tackle him from behind, hit him with the car. That's a good one.

[B]

All right. That's what I suggest

[A]

you talk about

[D]

before while he was walking around.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[G]

Any of that time, anytime, even when he's standing still, would hit him with the car. He wouldn't have died.

[A]

Turn him off.

[B]

We didn't see anybody go to pepper spray. We didn't see anybody go to Taser. Nobody went to less lethal. So at what point should departments start being criminally charged? Admin. For not supplying any of those versus the.

[G]

That's a great point. A couple years ago in Philly, we had a guy with a knife start coming towards Philly cops. They backed up again on the 10th. Stop, you know, stop, stop, stop, stop. He shot him. And people were pissed. And this was. This was like the 2020. It was still closer to 2020. Outrage going on, BLM, all that. What was found out, though, everyone calling for the defund. The police department, which city council voted on the year prior, they couldn't afford Tasers for all the cops. These cops didn't have Tasers. They already tried the Mace. It didn't work. Now he's advancing with a knife, so they shot him.

[B]

So at what point, I think the solution for this. I know I can't remember what it's called, but chiefs of police have to have. Or at least this is the way it's in Illinois. They have to have an annual certification that protects them from liability from what their officer does. So basically, I go to baton certification for that year and I pass through it, even though I suck, I go use it and I baton somebody in the head, which is not in the curriculum we taught. The chief of police is not held liable. I think that the chief of police needs to be held liable and criminally charged every time one of their officers is criminally Charged so that they will rain down discipline and structure in their department and say, no, you better know what you're doing because I'm not going to jail with you.

[D]

Isn't that the point of it? That should be the point of administration. The point of administration. Take all that out. You're supposed to be training the people.

[B]

That's how this stops.

[A]

However, I mean see, if you get annual training and you perform the training competently, it doesn't mean that you're immune to making bad decisions in the field.

[B]

Do you think what will that cause? That will cause admin then to defend their guys more and go, no, no, they'll make that argument. Just because my officer made this doesn't mean there were error in the field. This is what we're trying. You'll have actually when it comes to bat floating over, pun intended for their guys.

[A]

Yeah, and we know that there's the, there's already a case law that supports. I know we hate case law now, but.

[D]

The biggest shade in the building.

[A]

But there's a law that supports training negligence. So if there's not appropriate training being given to cops based on situations or incidences that they're likely to come in contact with, for instance, low light shooting. Right. Certain things like that, the, the agency is held liable for not providing that training. It's training versus or Margate versus Papow. I think paw pow powder. So it established as that training negligence where the agency can be held liable. If there isn't.

[B]

That's the agency. We need the individual. If, if the cop, this, the agency wasn't held accountable in this shooting. Bruno, Officer Bruno, Sergeant Bruno was held accountable. So I want brass, I want Sergeant Johnson, who signed off on Sergeant Bruno's annual range qualification held accountable. So if you're saying that we're gonna, we just indicted Sergeant Bruno, then I want his, his, his supervisor all the way up to the chief. I want a, I want six guys, all green criminal charged until there's a cohesive unit that's all going to have that brotherhood like they claim they are. Stop hanging these single guys out to dry while you guys are hiding behind liability. And oh, we're not gonna say, yeah,

[D]

that's my casino gambling analogy. They're just a house. And when they decide you busted, you busted. And if they decide they can squeeze a, a, a soft 21 out of you and let you win or push, they're gonna be like, hey, let that guy push. Or they're gonna say this guy, he's done. And that is that's a problem.

[B]

Arlene Barbosa, who just got indicted for murder of Laventure Swanson, Harris county deputy. Fifteen years she's been on the job. Fifteen years. That's 15 years worth of certifications at the range and taser. And if anybody saw the, the video, the video camera of it, she didn't know how to use either one of them. So she's been indicted. I I FOIA requested her records. I want to know every single officer who signed off of her her certification because they need to be gone after two including Shed, Sheriff Ed Gonzalez, all of them.

[F]

You got.

[C]

I don't know man. I just think that's more fear mongering because now they're gonna say hey, don't get me in trouble. So now everyone's gonna trade me better.

[B]

You know what other jobs you go to? You go to Starbucks and you don't pay attention to and somebody wants a, a soy latte, pumpkin dick, whatever and you put in milk and they have a milk allergy.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You're gonna be fear of losing your job. So you actually pay attention to what it is every other job on the planet. And this is where like Steve Ladder or Ladmer, I can't remember last time.

[D]

He's right.

[B]

This is where he's right. It's the only job out there where these guys can shoot, kill, beat the out of somebody, smile on camera and not give a. Because they know they've got that grace of objectively reasonableness and they're not in fear. And the command staff is not in fear either.

[D]

Well, I agree with the command staff scenario because my argument with like pursuit policy, agencies that don't pursue ever, they don't even train it, they don't talk about it. Then you have that one in a million call in that little, that area where it's never happened and they go barrel down the road and kill five people in a pursuit that they've never ever trained or been on. Who's responsible? The cop behind the car wheel. Not the fact he was never trained, never taught, never given any. I think I drove once at the first agency I was at one time we drove something, it was like years, we never did any of that. So that goes to every application of the job where they. What about an agency that takes away jiu jitsu? Even though there's a obviously a gripe about that from some people. But let's say you're teaching it, you have it in your curriculum, then you remove it completely and then somebody goes out and does something stupid. It's like you had a program you're allowing people to do and then you don't let them anymore. Or like Taser. Oh, you're not keeping the guys up on Taser training. It used to be every year you skipped a year, you go three, four years outside the policy. But because of accreditation, we're going to cram it in and then somebody uses a Taser. Not properly. I agree with you. The administration's job should stop being all this community oriented. Train the cops the right way. Give them the best opportunity to succeed. That should be the goal of the administration.

[B]

Who's the. Who's the biggest hindrance of that ever happening? The unions.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Confused with that. Because we don't have them here. They don't. They're not unions.

[B]

We'll sit there and say unions are the biggest. So there's. The problem is command staff cannot run organized discipline the way they want. They hide like cowards. They leave their guys out to dry. And then the cops who are leaning on the unions who don't do anyways, they're always.

[D]

Yes.

[F]

The most.

[D]

The most I ever saw the cohesiveness at the sheriff's office when I was there, was the union coming together to fight a fitness standard.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

That was the biggest. That was the biggest group of people that got together against one person, which was they were going to implement a pretty good fitness standard with repercussions for not passing it. And all of a sudden everybody was on board with that.

[C]

That.

[D]

We don't want that. Huh?

[B]

Can you imagine that? We don't wanna. We're no.

[D]

Here.

[B]

You're gonna get disciplined. You have a job that requires you being at your best mental faculties. And it's proven that fitness increases your mental faculty. But you're going to get a day suspension if you don't pass an annual fitness test. No, that. That is everything.

[D]

Y' all got to come together and fight this. We gotta. This can't happen. Yeah. That's what I said.

[B]

In America does that. Yep.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Giamani, what would you. If you could. Here's the deal. Now your chief of police of an agency, you got seven guys on. And those guys are facing that circumstance. They're not like you. They don't come from your generation. You've hired the 22, 23 year olds who are 22, 23 in 2020. Now you got that scenario and one of them shots it. Here's the press conference today.

[G]

Chief.

[B]

Chief G Money, can you explain what happened last night

[G]

about this shooting?

[B]

Yes, Chief of G. Money.

[G]

The deputy's gonna take that press conference.

[B]

That should be like I've hired a bunch of tick tock pussies who are all worried about their lip gloss and lip syncing and product they're going to be hawking now that their wives are have a uniform and that we're not focusing.

[C]

Chief of police, he's going to be dressed like that. He's going to have strippers in his office.

[G]

That's the only women that will be working in that police department will be

[C]

strippers in the office.

[G]

That's it.

[C]

Deputy chief to go handle his press conferences.

[D]

He's like, no, there's no way you're getting off camera. He'll be like, hold on, hold on. Let me hit this bump. And then

[G]

Mike would. Dude, I'm not come out and hit

[D]

the reporter with a chair like stone cold and knock everybody down and then give your conference.

[B]

So if a police department is not run by a guy Like John McAfee, it's just not useful.

[C]

All right, Dominic, thank you so much

[B]

for coming on as always.

[C]

It's good talking.

[B]

Crave creatine. Get it From Anti Hero 15 or you're just a piece of.

[D]

Thank you, sir.

[C]

Nick, so I wanted to pick your brain a little bit, go backwards in time here about an hour.

[G]

I love you.

[A]

Just want you to know I love you, Nick. I love you too.

[D]

I want to have. You guys need to fight. That's the next thing.

[A]

Wait, what did he. What did he say? What'd you say?

[G]

I said you're incredible with the case law.

[A]

Oh, thanks. I just wanted to hear it twice. I wanted to make sure Mike heard it in stream.

[D]

In streamyard. If you just say clip that, it'll clip it. You can just say that in the microphone and then you'll have a. You'll have a reel. Later on you'll have a real.

[G]

Also, it's like the permission slip I sent him on last night.

[D]

I told. I talked about it online. I talked about it during the episode last night.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I said Nick sent me a one time to be disagree with my wife contract that I was allowed to say.

[C]

He said, I sent this to Mike.

[D]

That was good.

[C]

It was. That was definitely AI, but it was still funny. You chat GPT that right?

[G]

Dude, we think I came up with that. That quick?

[D]

No, you read off a teleprompter. It's long, it's undersigned. Right. Hereby grants her husband one single solitary instance of having different opinion from hers. This permission is VAL for exactly one occasion and expires immediately after use. No extensions, no do overs, and definitely no. But say I. You said I could. Terms the diff. The differing opinion must be expressed respectfully and not at an appropriate time. Not during dinner with her family, not while she's driving, and absolutely not when she's hungry. Hungry. The husband agrees. Immediately return to agreeing with his wife for all future matters. That's a great contract, dude. She wouldn't sign it. She wouldn't sign it. She beat me with the phone instead. She said, nope, you're not getting this

[G]

case law for it.

[C]

You know what, though? Nick. Nick was watching us all agree. And I. I tell Nick, man, this. This needs to be because we all have the network. We don't have to worry about people getting all butt hurt. And Nick. Nick went like this. And he came in right off the top rope out of nowhere like, oh, my God, it's G money. When you said, y' all are crazy, everybody's like, no, I'm not. And then it just stirred it up.

[D]

Two utes.

[C]

What'd you think about Ryan's comment earlier? You said, I saw you text me saying, let me on. I was like, I can't.

[G]

I was just doing. He gave me this feature. Now I'm gonna have my own show. I can just click in whenever I want. I was gonna do that to Mike yesterday to interrupt them. I should have.

[D]

Somebody else did that. Somebody else needs to do. Yeah, yeah. You ought to be just like the other guy that used to do it. You can. You can associate with him.

[G]

Oh, yeah, but I do it when I do it.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no domestic.

[C]

But Ryan said he wanted to debate you. He said, I think that's what the people want.

[D]

That's a great first episode for the G spot out of here.

[G]

I ain't having him on there. Beer and titties.

[C]

I like it. Dude, you got a great. You got a great concept. The man show. Like a political man show, you know?

[G]

You gotta say, she's all lined up and ready to go.

[D]

Although she said, coming in March, no

[G]

bikinis, but we'll see how long that lasts.

[D]

So when's this?

[G]

Social media is full of bikinis.

[D]

She'll be, what's our timeline on this? Because Tyler likes to keep you held to your timeline.

[C]

That's next week.

[D]

Wednesday next, right after mine. I'm gonna pump it right in.

[G]

Just rip it, rip it and grip it.

[B]

Dude, don't.

[D]

Just don't go in before in Stream yard and create your own show and. And have me accidentally click Your show that you never did that ever before and then I end up streaming your show instead.

[C]

When Mike's wrong, you like to his explanation as how he's wrong.

[D]

That's what happened. Don't do something.

[C]

An opportunity for me to up.

[D]

Yes.

[G]

You know, you know.

[D]

You ever seen your stream yard? Okay. Be easier. I guess we're both tapped out at this point because you're. Yeah, we'll help you.

[C]

What'd you say, Nick?

[G]

So Ryan, man, I don't know. Listen, I don't like to hate anybody. I don't like hate my heart. I really don't like that dude. Like I. I want to be like, all right, you know what? He's on the network. Let me be nice to him, buddy. God, he's so annoying. Just from his tone.

[C]

He's a good.

[G]

He can't answer questions. He's got no, no substance. He's. He's on here talking because Joe Rogan said, oh man, the white. The white settlers love living with Indians. If they're raped and pillaged, they didn't want to come back. Yeah, there's a few examples of that. It's not the narrative or it's, you know, same whitewashing but liberal whitewashing of history. That wasn't the norm. Trust me. They didn't love getting raped and pillaged by the Indies and staying with them when they're little kids and raised and that's all they knew. Yeah, they didn't want to go back to the white settlements because they're raised as Indians at this point and, and the, the territories, all this. Dude, there's. I forget what movie it was. I think that one actors in it. I forget his name. The one that played the psycho guy guy. Christian Bay.

[C]

Oh, the New World I've always wanted to see that came out. Yeah, yeah.

[G]

Christian Bell. He has a great scene where he sits down, he says, you know what? I don't know if there's him that was anybody. Yeah, I think it was Christian Bale. It's like, you know, for generations your people have been warring and killing each other, plundering and raping other citizens across this great prairie since the time of your God raised the first moon or some. It's the same thing, dude. Except the white people came. Came through and did it better and they stayed around. Trust me, if they wiped out the white people and America was all, all native Americans and we were on reservations, it, you know, they wouldn't give a. It would be their country. It's just the way it was. Back then, dude, it's the way the world is. The world is not a friendly place. This is. The world is hard, dude. We're all here to suffer. Like, you should believe in Jesus. You really should look into it if you're not religious whatsoever. This is an anomaly. This country is an anomaly. Parts of Europe is an anomaly. There's people being fucking raped and murdered all over the globe right now. Even in this country. There's kids that are being stolen at an alarming rate and being raped and sex trafficked. There's so much nasty going on right now in this world, and people ride around in their minivans with their nose in the air and they have no clue the evil that around and surrounds them every day. And this is what they have. They got to look for problems to create, like Ryan and the reservations and. Let's give back the stolen land. Yeah, dude, we populated the entire country. We've been building it, building it up. We're just gonna give it all. Where the are we gonna go? So we're gonna go migrate somewhere else and steal someone else's country and do it all over again. Like, are you stupid, dude? The moon.

[D]

Yeah,

[G]

yeah, we're gonna go to moon. I mean, come on, dude, be real. It's so great to say that stuff where you could act so righteous and holier than thou. Oh, you know, we stole the land. We should give it back. You know all my liberal talking points, dude, live in the real world.

[C]

I think liberals live in a mindset where they're like, if. If I do this and it happens, happens, they'll. They'll worship me as their white, you know, stepchild, and I. I'll live in the. The biggest TP of all the white people. Because I was. I was saying the things that you. I was defending you. You know what I'm saying?

[G]

Yeah, yeah, well, absolutely. That's the white guilt and. And signal virtuing, dude. You know what I mean? That's what it's for. That's exactly what it is. Look at what I'm doing. Look at how sorry I am. Look what I'm doing. Look at the white people that get down and kiss black people's feet and like that, saying they're sorry. Like, dude, what the man? And you want reparations? Well, I want my reparations. And Ryan, keep my ethnicity out of your mouth. Don't cultural appropriate Italians. Don't talk about us. You don't know what my struggle, my family struggle was.

[C]

Don't tell that story. He'll culturally Appropriate white people.

[G]

He culturally appropriated Italian. Don't.

[A]

We don't even know how to say the word.

[G]

I said it right.

[C]

It's true.

[D]

My question again.

[C]

What do you say?

[D]

And I asked him about what's the difference between people from other countries coming in here and taking land, resources. Exact same behavior. Maybe not by violence, but by they're getting things.

[C]

I could have been his lawyer, because I know what he would have said if he was. If he was maybe not high or really paying attention. He could have said that these people are coming in to live on a land they're not coming over to take over. We came over to take over. That's the imperialist of white people. Well, you did.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Based off of your great, great, great, great, great, great, great.

[D]

No, my grandparents both came from other countries. Oh. So, yeah, I'm good. I'm one of them. I'm here just trying to survive.

[G]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, hold on. If we could trace our lineage to.

[G]

My people weren't here during slavery.

[C]

Yeah, I don't think mine were either. I think my great great grandparents came right after slavery.

[D]

My grandfather came in, in like the

[C]

40s from Greece, so my.

[G]

One of my family members died in the Holocaust.

[C]

No, they didn't.

[G]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

No, they didn't.

[G]

Yeah, he was laughing so hard, he fell out of the tower.

[A]

Oh, I fall for that every time.

[C]

I wish I would just be like, really? That's the second time. That's a good joke too.

[G]

That's a solid joke. Yes, I believe in the Holocaust. No, I don't hate Jews. Just a joke. Take it easy, people.

[D]

Whole another episode. Stick to the moon landing. This one.

[C]

I got a couple. Really cool.

[G]

The man smells good in here, dude. I keep a fan oscillating. The window cracked. I Lysol. It's all good.

[D]

I don't believe it.

[C]

All right.

[D]

The piss bottles are sealed with extra tight.

[G]

Yeah, listen, Snapple's extra tight, dude. I put a list. I got a whole routine down so I don't drip piss all over the place.

[D]

Okay.

[G]

Napkin goes down on the floor. I piss over into the bottle. If there's any drippage, it lands on the napkin. Clean it up, good to go.

[C]

So I saw this. Aphraman said this in an interview. Why he doesn't use the N word. And. And it's actually. It makes me respect him even more.

[G]

I saw you don't say the N word in your music. What kind of prompted that choice?

[H]

Well, first of all, the N word, the most offensive word in the English language. I don't like being greeted with it. I don't address my brothers and sisters with it. Like, if you're on the Lakers, you're not going to say the Lakers. If you're a Mexican, you're not going to walk around going, hey, beer, what's happening? You know what I'm saying? I don't feel black people should disrespect the home team, you know, I know in America, they hear it so much. Like, if I had a bunch of white. Give me a bunch of white kids, all right? Give them to me as babies. Here you go, right? When I see. I say, hunky, hunky, hunky, hunky, hunky, hunky, hunky. I separate them from the older white people that love them. The older white people that's going to give them dignity and pride and say, hey, we're Americans. We're white people. We're the. I separate them from them people. And I got them over here in my little chicken coop, and I'm like, you're a honky. Honky, honky, honky, honky, honky, honky, honky. What are those little white kids gonna grow up saying?

[C]

Cracker, honky.

[H]

And then they go, they're gonna shake. They're gonna be like, what's up, my honky? They're gonna have pride when they say it. Hey, what's up, honky?

[C]

Yeah.

[H]

Innocent and uninformed because I didn't separated them from the people that would give them the dignity and pride not to say that. So I'm thinking hundreds of years ago, the black people that couldn't speak English, sometimes I watch a movie, the slave would be like, whose is you? You know? They don't know no better. They don't know. They don't know they're the original man God created. They don't know they invented the pyramid. They don't know the Moors took knowledge to the Greeks and the Egyptians took. And the Moors brought knowledge to Spain and Europe. They don't know they're these intellectual people. All they know is what this guy that don't like them told him. That's my reason why I don't like the N word. I don't. I don't think black people should call themselves that. I guess that's it in a nutshell. I can.

[D]

I guess growing up.

[C]

Oh, I mean, it's a. It's an educated take on how the black community has.

[G]

Is he saying that the white people put them in a chicken coop and told them the N word? The N Word.

[C]

The N word.

[G]

I think that's how I took it.

[D]

You took a good. You took a like a moon sized leap there with that.

[G]

I don't think it sounded like the.

[C]

In a chicken coop.

[D]

No, I don't think.

[C]

I think what he's saying is. No matter who was telling them that it's, it's. It's kind of like, look at the word cop. Yo, he's a real cop. He's a real copper. That. That was not meant to be. It's not police officer.

[B]

Well, if you.

[D]

And if you look through it, he didn't blame anybody but like other black people for saying it. Young kids are saying white people. I don't. I don't see that.

[C]

Look at goon. We take goon. Everybody takes pride in goon. But it's.

[D]

No, that's the guys that don't like me. There's a few mean pages that don't like that.

[C]

Real cops take pride in the word goon. Right. It's a derogatory term.

[G]

I never heard

[D]

OG Goon. The OG Good definition on the page. Oh, boy.

[C]

I think that's. Oh, one more, one more, one more. I wanted. I want to get Nick's take on this. Do you think it's funny or not?

[G]

Okay.

[C]

And this is a different country, but it doesn't seem like it's that far outside of the US but

[G]

did you slap the. Out of the.

[C]

Dude, what are you doing? What's it called? The guy, he went in your car.

[E]

The guy outside. I got this, I got this, I got this.

[C]

Where'd he go?

[E]

Is he inside?

[F]

He ran. Is that him?

[E]

Boss,

[C]

Enemy spotted.

[D]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Wait, wait.

[C]

That's him, right?

[E]

Hey, boss.

[C]

How are you doing?

[F]

I don't know.

[C]

I mean, yes, it is. It is filmed perfectly.

[D]

But you can rent. There's places you can rent cars, rent uniforms, rent. There's no car.

[C]

The goddess, he went in your car

[D]

and it's a black guy.

[G]

So.

[C]

Yeah. What do you think, Nick?

[G]

I used to do that all the time.

[D]

Which part you go tell the breaking the cars or.

[G]

Oh yeah, cop car. If the unattended and unlocked. I'll get in it and park it around the block.

[C]

Oh yeah, for sure. That's happened to me.

[G]

Did that all the time. I took out off duty too. And in fact, usually when I was drunk.

[C]

My first agency, there was an issue with. They were Ford Tauruses, I think they were called. And there was an issue with like a lot of the keys being able

[G]

to get to the Ford Interceptor, worked keys for every department.

[D]

My first agency. Every key opened every car.

[G]

Yeah, I was drinking everybody. I was drinking a Lower Marion. I came out one time at like 1am I moved some guys cop car, some Lower Marion cop car. I got in that and drove it.

[C]

Can you imagine having to go to forward and being like, listen, I need all the cars to have their own locks. Like, why? Like, because these. Keep pranking.

[D]

The two pranks were they moved my car. Brand new, like, three months in. My car's like four blocks away, parked. And I didn't leave it unlocked. It was locked. And the other one was, you would unlock the car, you take the pa, jam it in the door, jam, turn the sirens on and everything, and then shut the door from the passenger side. And as soon as the guy opens the driver door, the PA comes on unclicked, and then the sirens all go off and everything I did.

[G]

I did talcum powder in the visor and in the air vents, and I would turn it on full blast. So when they start the car, the events would start and blow all the bad baby powder over them. And then they pull down the thing to look at the. Look at themselves in the mirror, and all the other powder would fall on top of it of them. So that was that one. Or if you left your hat laying around, I used to throw it into a bag of water and throw it in the freezer. And then, you know, you have to get their hat out of a complete block of ice. Did that one a lot. That was always.

[C]

All right, that's it for the day, gents. We will be live tonight, Counterculture Inc. Network for the night shift. As always, we might get some. Might get G money to pop in and say hello.

[D]

Gators coming.

[C]

Gator's coming. The girls are coming again. JoJo will be here. Me and Mike have to talk a lot less, so that's nice.

[D]

We can actually talk. None. I bet. I bet you with one person, it's funny.

[C]

What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna challenge everybody. When we start and that intro goes off, I want to challenge everybody not to stare at the TV in fear of talking, because they talk a lot of. And then when that intro goes off, it's dead silence.

[E]

So.

[C]

Oh, we got a super chat real quick. Oh, Cody H. Heading back to work, homies. Thanks for a good live. Thanks, brother.

[D]

You're in the drawing.

[C]

What's ca? Canadian.

[D]

Oh, California money. Yeah, it's Canadian.

[C]

All right, Cody. Appreciate it, brother. Thank you so much.

[G]

Good stuff, man.

[D]

Be kermit.

[C]

Yeah, they said, dude, as soon as. As soon as Peach popped in, everybody's

[D]

like, kermit Free Curve. He doesn't like to be picked out either. Does not like it.

[G]

Yo, any. Any update on that kid that went to boot camp last month?

[D]

Colt?

[C]

No.

[D]

No.

[C]

I mean, I. I think he's infantry, so they. They're trying to keep tradition, I think. They don't get their phones like that, so.

[G]

Good. Good.

[C]

And the Patreon. If anybody's heard from Cole, let us know in the. Let us know in the OG Council or the general chat. You know, if anybody's got it, send it.

[G]

Send the address. Send them a care package.

[C]

Dude, I'm glad Heather caught that. I didn't even see it. I got blinded by the Cody's Badass super chat. But, dude, due to my baby is coming tonight. Wish us luck, fam. Hey, listen, dude, if you're not holding that baby with Night Shift in the background on a tv, are you a real fan?

[D]

No excuses not to watch real OGs watch no matter what.

[C]

Congrats.

[G]

Congrats, bro.

[C]

See you tonight. Jv team for life.