CASUAL FRIDAY (02/06/2026)

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast - CASUAL FRIDAY (02/06/2026)

Podcast: The Antihero Broadcast
Hosts: Antihero, Mike, Jimmy
Date: February 6, 2026

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This “Casual Friday” episode of The Antihero Broadcast delivers a wide-ranging, unfiltered discussion aimed at first responders, veterans, and blue-collar Americans. The crew – composed of law enforcement and military veterans – breaks down recent news events, tough police scenarios, and deeply personal perspectives from the front lines. The signature banter, gallows humor, and frank talk foster a unique blend of camaraderie, critique, and mentorship for those in the service and their supporters.

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

1. Community Check-in & Show Banter
2. Arizona Shootout & Helicopter Crash
3. Hostage Scenarios & Use of Force
4. Cultural Shifts in Policing
5. Training Realities & Critique Culture
6. Mental Health Calls: Reality vs. Ideal
7. Blue Collar/Military Paths & The Value of Trying
8. Personal Stories: Failure, Persistence & Identity
9. Inspirations & Community Wisdom
10. Closing Thoughts & Housekeeping

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1. Community Check-in & Show Banter [03:03]

• The crew celebrates making it to Friday, joking about contact lenses, Coke Zero, and various sponsor shout-outs.
• Listeners participate actively in the chat, reinforcing the show’s sense of community:
  Jimmy: "We made it to Friday, boys. That's what counts." [03:12]

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2. Arizona Shootout & Helicopter Crash [03:45–08:10]

The Events

• Description: Police in Flagstaff, AZ, respond to a domestic disturbance, are met with gunfire, and pursue the suspect in a running gun battle that lasts two hours.
  Jimmy: "They were met with gunfire. The cops retreated out...they had a running gun battle with this guy as he escaped." [03:45]

• A police helicopter is brought in, but crashes during the operation, killing the pilot and onboard paramedic.
  Host: "It says, 'We're going down.' And then another aircraft says, 'They went down.'" [07:47]

• Additional coverage of a Phoenix officer shot (non-life-threatening injuries) and a separate firefighter death in Camden, illustrating the chaotic, dangerous week for first responders.

Memorable Quote:
Jimmy: "We're getting to the point now where... law enforcement in general is... far more at risk for violent direct action threats." [05:05]

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3. Hostage Scenarios & Use of Force [08:34–21:48]

Las Vegas Hostage Shooting Breakdown

• Situation: Father takes his son hostage; heavily armed, encountered by police.
• Analysis: The hosts play and dissect officer bodycam footage, focusing on decision-making under extreme duress.
• Critical Discussion:
  • Whether law enforcement rounds struck the child, and if proper tactics (who should take the shot) were used.
  • The difficulty and rarity of these calls, and the essential need for training and post-incident review.
• Ethical/Moral Tension:
  Host: "That's a kid dead. I really wish the dude with the rifle... waited for him to pass by and maybe..." [14:04] Mike: "That's a tough call. That's the worst scenario." [15:45]

Monday Morning Quarterbacking

• The necessity of reviewing and critiquing critical incidents to learn and improve:
  Host: "Monday morning quarterbacking is necessary and required to improve future calls that are similar. Cops got to get out of their feeling about being dissected." [15:52] Jimmy: "Thinking about what went right and what went wrong and how you could do it better is never a bad thing." [16:26]

Officer Training, Skill, and Failure Points

• Discussion of training disparities, with examples of elite units vs. undertrained officers.
• Notable real-world examples and anecdotes from the hosts.

Notable Quote:
Mike: "How many people are drawing their gun and taking hostage shots once a day? ...You want to be ready." [26:03]

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4. Cultural Shifts in Policing [27:12–41:12]

• Clips and commentary highlight frustration with increased restrictions on police, perceived bureaucracy, and the exodus of proactive officers: Jimmy (playing clip): "Now we're just secretaries with Glocks." [27:12]

• A discussion on how these changes affect the people willing to serve, with concern about “yes men” and declining standards.

• Training Resistance:
  Critique of newer officers' aversion to feedback and professional development: Mike: "They don't like being told they did something wrong. They've never been told by mom and dad...Now you have this whole generation that's just cruised through..." [39:37]

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5. Training Realities & Critique Culture [41:12–54:13]

Training for Critical Incidents

• The importance of realistic, stressful training; dry-fire routines; peer and supervisor feedback.
• Barriers: Cultural resistance to criticism, lack of regular high-level tactical training.
• Value in reviewing bodycam footage for learning, not shaming.

Notable Quotes:
Mike: "You might want to think about this...If you pull up to any road dog and you say, 'Hey man, we're gonna watch your video,' it's going to be defensive, it's going to be excuses." [38:59] Host: "A good sergeant could do this...If Sarge is doing this to everybody...we need to be learning." [39:32]

Mental Health Call Case Study [41:40–53:51]

• Hosts break down a real-life bodycam video of a mental health call that turns physical.
• Analysis of officer positioning, escalation of force, agency policies, and what to do when “tools run out.”
• Key lesson: "More force now is less force later." [52:21]
• Warnings against letting suspects re-enter homes (risk of weapons), and importance of command presence, hands-on ability, and situational planning.
• Critical Reflection:
  Jimmy: "He has no plan for nothing in his head. If this doesn't work, what am I going to do next?" [53:51]

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6. Blue Collar/Military Paths & The Value of Trying [79:19–112:59]

Intergenerational Military Service & Identity

• Deep dive into the psychology of service: family legacies, expectations, and the personal need to prove oneself.
• Host: "Can you imagine how you would feel right now at your age had you never done the military? You'd be on a totally different trajectory." [79:19]
• The trade-offs of pursuing identity and meaning through service, versus finding them in “ordinary” blue-collar roles.

Dream-Chasing, Sporting Aspirations, and Parental Honesty

• Discussion around guiding children through realistic goal-setting, using sports as a metaphor for broader life lessons. Host: "You're not working as hard. We need to be realistic...because if I let you fail without telling you, where was your father?" [90:08]

Failure, Persistence, and Mindset

• Stories of setbacks, missed selections, and non-linear success; how persistence, humility, and defiance shape character and eventual victories.

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7. Personal Stories: Failure, Persistence & Identity [97:18–112:59]

• Jimmy shares: His SFAS (Special Forces Assessment and Selection) non-selection and how failing the DLAB (language aptitude) played a role.
• Grit and “not quitting” is a recurring motif—even when odds seem stacked. Jimmy: "The thing I kept telling myself the whole time was, I'm not going to quit. I won't quit. They'll have to kick me out." [99:06]
• Host: “Sheer will and drive. It might be mental retardation that just doesn't tell us to quit.” [106:41]

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8. Inspirations & Community Wisdom [109:13–112:59]

• Viewers and hosts riff on the theme “don’t quit”—blending military, faith, and cultural touchpoints.
• Colt (chat): "Jesus didn’t quit carrying the 300 pound cross after being beaten. I ain’t quitting." [109:49]
• The concept of humility, not measuring by ‘cool stories’ but by effort, trying, and being part of a bigger community.
• The importance of mentors, support systems, and the willingness to be critiqued.

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9. Closing Thoughts & Housekeeping [112:59–119:27]

• Podcast origins: Hosts reflect on why they started the show—defiance, the power of community, the sense of duty to help others, and to model “grinding” towards goals.
• Encouragement to the audience (“shoot for the moon”), reminders that failure shapes success, and praise for both blue-collar and uniformed communities.
• Wrap-up: Shoutouts to new members, appreciation for the chat, upcoming event teasers (Super Bowl Halftime special).
• Host: "Never forget the people who were there when you were grinding." [115:36]

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

On Use of Force and Tragedy:

• "That's not a touchdown pass that was intercepted. That's a kid dead." — Host [13:52]
• "Monday morning quarterbacking is necessary." — Host [15:52]

On Critique and Growth:

• "Thinking about what went right and what went wrong and how you could do it better is never a bad thing." — Jimmy [16:26]
• "You might want to think about this...If you pull up to any road dog and you say, 'Hey man, we're gonna watch your video,' it's going to be defensive." — Mike [38:59]

On Serving in Law Enforcement:

• "Now we're just secretaries with Glocks." — Guest Audio [27:12]

On Perseverance:

• "The thing I kept telling myself...I'm not going to quit. I won't quit. They'll have to kick me out." — Jimmy [99:06]
• "You gotta work super hard at it. So, you know, you gotta work super...if you want to be anything in life." — Jimmy [95:11]

On Identity and the Value of Service:

• "You become the person you are because of your successes and your failures." — Host [112:06]

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FINAL NOTES

The episode’s tone is unapologetically frank, sometimes irreverent, but always honest—reflecting the worldviews and anxieties of veterans and first responders. The hosts combine news breakdown, tactical discussion, community support, and hard-won life wisdom, offering a sense of solidarity for anyone who’s been on the front line or faced the grind.

Next up: The team plans a special Super Bowl Halftime Show and continues building their online community for ongoing support, storytelling, and unsanitized truth-telling.

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"You become the person you are because of your successes and your failures. If you never shoot for the moon... you’re never going to get seen." — Host [112:06]

Transcript

[Host]

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[Jimmy]

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[Host]

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[Host]

All right, Happy Friday, y'. All. Let's. Let's check these comments. Yeah, yeah, we got the crew in here.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, we got the. We got the. We gave. We made it to Friday, boys. We made it to Friday. That's what counts. We made it to Friday.

[Host]

What?

[Jimmy]

Can't hurt. What happened on Friday?

[Host]

What happened in Arizona?

[Mike]

Mikey, go.

[Jimmy]

Okay, so I don't know if you're.

[Host]

Being quiet or if your mic's not as high as it should be, but is this better? You're just not very loud, Mike.

[Jimmy]

I don't know what to do about that. I can talk louder if you want me to. Does talking louder help?

[Mike]

I hear him fine.

[Host]

Okay, go ahead.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I think maybe I'm just turned down for you. So apparently there was a domestic disturbance. The. The police came out to deal with it. They were met with gunfire.

[Host]

What city?

[Jimmy]

This was Flagstaff, Arizona. Okay, so they were met with gunfire. The cops retreated out of the house. They had a running gun battle with this guy as he escaped. And what happened? He moved from, like, house to house and was, like, moving away. They brought in a helicopter. Then this. This whole gunfight lasted, like, two hours. And then once the helicopter came in, they have sort of surrounded him. He had been wounded a couple of times, but not life threatening. And about the same time he was being brought into custody, the helicopter crashed, killing the pilot and the onboard paramedic.

[Host]

Oh, my goodness. I did see that. The. It's on video. Do we have video of that? It's just like a dot falling out of the sky. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

So, yeah.

[Mike]

Shot last night as well. Phoenix. He survived. But it's wild out in Arizona right now.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, it's. It's a. It's a wild, wild place. I can't.

[Host]

I.

[Jimmy]

When I. When I saw that today, like, it. This is how important that particular shooting was. Normally when I go do my intel stuff for the morning, I don't get a lot of, like, police officers were shot and. And stuff like that or any of the crime stuff like that. And, you know, it just doesn't come up. The fact that this was a good, you know, five minutes of, like, in the intel brief, I was like, holy. You know, we're getting to the point now where, I mean, like, I think. And this was the. The assessment that they made was that, you know, because of what's happening with ice, law enforcement in general is. Is gonna be far more at risk for violent direct action threats.

[Host]

Somebody said the, uh. Hopefully. I wonder if the Cartel, Clint said was. I wonder if the cartel was involved with the kidnapping in Arizona.

[Mike]

That's a wild one, too. That's a whole.

[Jimmy]

I don't know nothing about that.

[Mike]

There's a newscaster's mother kidnapped from the house, and there was a ransom. And then you got people making fake ransoms. They sent a. A demand letter to tmz, who got the demand letter, and it's. It's like, right out of a movie, really.

[Host]

Did they. Are they still under investigation?

[Mike]

Yes. She's still missing. Ransom letters or emails, Money. They had it, like, description of the house, what she was wearing. So it seemed like it was very accurate. FBI is involved. And then, of course, the fake stuff started, and then it was. Somebody got arrested already for demanding bitcoin from the family in the middle of the middle of the tragedy.

[Jimmy]

Oh, God.

[Mike]

And somebody talked. I believe it was. Dylan said it. Yeah, there was a firefighter in Camden that, like, fell off the boat doing maintenance, got trapped under the ice and died yesterday as well.

[Host]

All right, well, does anybody have any videos?

[Jimmy]

Wow.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Stills. This is all. I mean, there was a picture of the boat.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, there's. I mean, this all broke last night, so.

[Host]

Okay.

[Jimmy]

Unfortunately, we can't get. I mean, even the.

[Host]

Yeah, there's a video of the chopper falling. I saw it before I went to bed, but I. I didn't think to save it because I didn't think it was anything.

[Mike]

It was. There was. Well, I mean, there's nothing, really. I mean, it's a dot going down. Nothing that I'd want to watch anyway, really. And sucks seeing that stuff, but there was.

[Jimmy]

It's kind of. They did a press conference this. Yeah, they did the press conference this morning, and they did not address what brought the chopper down, so.

[Host]

I mean, it could have been what I read last night. They were like. They didn't even really announce that the chopper had fallen, but they had, so I guess because it's public record, they had the audio of the chopper going down. It says, we're going. We're going down, or. And then it was another aircraft saying they went down.

[Mike]

I hate flying those things, dude. I think I've been in it twice. Hate it.

[Host]

Oh, yeah, those law enforcement birds, they're. The micro movements are what make you up. Because they go. You know, they. They're able to do this, man. And, dude, you get sick on those things. It's not like a Blackhawk where it's smooth. These things can go like this and that, and, you know.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

You sent a Video like an hour ago. Is that the Phoenix shooting?

[Mike]

I think so. I said hold on, let me see.

[Host]

Wild video for the show.

[Mike]

Oh, no, this is. What the, is that one? Oh, this is the hostage situation with the child that was killed. Yeah, if you want to play that, I'll talk you through this one. This one's a terrible situation. This is a father holding a kid, I believe his son hostage.

[Jimmy]

Jesus Christ.

[Host]

Happened way too much, dude. All right.

[Jimmy]

Let'S see it. Show me your hands. Show me your other hand. Stop. Stop right there.

[Mike]

Stop.

[Host]

Hey, you need to put that down, man.

[Jimmy]

Hey, hey, take this, Dude.

[Mike]

That's from that one video. This is from the guy with the rifle right next to him. Hey, I got, I'm moving on the stairs.

[Jimmy]

Move on the stairs.

[Host]

He's holding the kid.

[Jimmy]

On there. I'm losing sight.

[Mike]

Got a magnifier too. Yep, I've lost sight of him.

[Jimmy]

He's coming towards us.

[Mike]

Coming towards us.

[Jimmy]

Hey.

[Mike]

Show me your hands over your other hand.

[Jimmy]

So, I mean, so they, they decided to.

[Mike]

You need to listen to this before.

[Host]

You okay the briefing.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Okay, the question is, five rounds were fired. Did any of them hit Baker and.

[Mike]

Did any of them hit the child?

[Jimmy]

So the autopsy has revealed that Baker sustained four gunshot wounds and the child sustained three.

[Mike]

We, we know that two of those to the child.

[Jimmy]

The close quarter contacts came from the father.

[Mike]

The, the child did sustain one in.

[Jimmy]

The leg and that is going to.

[Mike]

Be determined through further investigation by the.

[Jimmy]

Coroners and forensic to be determined where that round came from.

[Host]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jimmy]

So the kid was dead when he walked him out?

[Mike]

No, I think he shot him as he was getting shot.

[Jimmy]

Jesus Christ.

[Mike]

From what I would gather.

[Jimmy]

So that's what kicked off the gunfight. The dad fired and everybody else.

[Mike]

Now I think I, I, it looks like that guy's fire first. I, I, I hate Monday morning quarterback. That's what we're gonna say. But the guy with the handgun fires, and I don't know that I would want to take that shot with iron sights. Unless you're really good. You got a guy.

[Host]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Why didn't the guy with the rifle fire? Why didn't.

[Mike]

He does. Eventually, I think he fires second. But if from watching it first, it appears the guy with the handgun fire, he actually says take the shot. And then it looks like he shoots, I think as well. And I don't know all the details, I wouldn't want to be in that situation. I don't envy those guys under any Circumstances. But that's a relatively close rifle shot to take with a. With a magnifier and a dot.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. And that.

[Mike]

I mean, in a perfect world, that should be one to the side of the skull and. But I.

[Host]

So are they saying that the law enforcement may have shot the child?

[Mike]

They did. They did once. Once. They're saying that there was close, like direct contact shots. Obviously that came from the father.

[Host]

Dude moving target too.

[Mike]

And then one of the rounds from the officer, and I don't know that maybe he was dead. I don't know that to be fact or not. Maybe the kid was already shot. I. I can't see if he's moving, but one round from the. One of the two cops hit the kid in the leg, which it is what it is if that was all the case. But it looks like the child was executed by the father due to two close contact shots. And like I said, I just, you know, that rifle's there, man. That's the guy that's got the COVID He's got. He can put a platform. He can get a good base, and I wouldn't want to be there. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not knocking anything those guys did, but you would think that one in the skull would be the. Would be the answer there. And then sympathetic reflex. Could the father actually pull the trigger on the gun? You have to deal with all that. I mean, that sucks.

[Jimmy]

That's. That's the thing that I'm. I. I would be concerned about, like, unless you. Unless you can, you know, get them right. You know, right about here, you know, separate the brainstem.

[Mike]

Like, that's the worst call ever. That's the worst scenario.

[Jimmy]

That's the worst.

[Mike]

This one. You don't want to, you know, sometimes.

[Host]

Like, we had the conversation yesterday with Dom about. Well, you know, we're the only profession that doesn't Monday morning quarterback or. Or shames it. And it just. It sucks because, man, that's not a touchdown pass that was intercepted. That's a kid dead.

[Mike]

And it. There's.

[Host]

I really wish that it's. You feel guilty, like. Because I don't know how I would do in that situation. I don't know. I wish the dude with the rifle hit in the bushes, turned his light off and just waited for him to pass by and maybe, you know, you can't.

[Mike]

That's. That's the stuff that's tough is because we watch that and think, you know, like, Call of Duty. I'll just run here to the book and I'm not saying you're, you're being. You're on for saying that, but that's what we do. And we think. And if you don't break that down and think about that and somebody doesn't watch that, you're never going to think. And then, then I go to default back to the cops that never even consider this call. There's people right now in some small town or anywhere else that don't even consider this call could happen. Don't take the rifle out, don't check their optic battery.

[Host]

Don't.

[Mike]

Aren't prepared to even think about that. And then it happens. And, and there you are. And I've seen people at the range with rifles, cops that can't hit the blue man from, from 20 yards. So it's like now you got, now you got to take a headshot on a, on a, on a hostage situation. That's not, that's not the first time. You want to know if you can make that shot.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I wanna, I wanna watch this again because I, I do. I mean, dude, I'm just gonna say it like this. If. Unless you're like a guy that trains pistol all the time.

[Mike]

I mean they're cops with handguns, but.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't take that shot. I wouldn't take shot.

[Mike]

That's a tough shot.

[Jimmy]

I mean, I'm sure there's some dudes in the Delta Force that could do.

[Mike]

It, but like, oh, there's plenty of cops that can. I don't know, not. Not all of them, but, you know, your job is to carry a handgun 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. You should probably want to. You know what to do that.

[Host]

This guy. Your mom said hello one. Yeah, he makes a good point, man. Monday morning quarterbacking is necessary and required to improve future calls that are similar. Cops got to get out of their feeling about being dissected. And what it is, is they chose the profession. And I agree, I agree. You know, you're choosing the profession you're choosing. I mean, I understand everything, but I really do. I think he's right. I don't even know if your mama said hello as a cop or not, but you chose this profession. And then you can't back out on a call like this.

[Jimmy]

The act of, yeah, the. The act of, of watching these videos and thinking about what would I do? How can I do this better? Maybe you should do this. Maybe you should do that will absolutely help the next time you are in a bad situation. Even I Mean, you know, thinking about what went right and what went wrong and how you could do it better is never a bad thing. And people should be okay with being like, there for sure. Yeah. And now he's not.

[Mike]

And, and that's, that's where I go back to. It's the first time I ever said it. And I stand by it now. And I think it'll be my new example is we all, all the cops want to be paid now. What do they complain about athletes and professional athletes making so much money and how ridiculous it is?

[Host]

Well, they perform.

[Mike]

You go miss a. Let alignment. Miss a block in the second quarter on third and four, that motherfucker's gonna get railroaded. In the meeting on Monday or Tuesday when they watch the video and go, hey, dumbass.

[Host]

And by ESPN and by all the fans blew this block.

[Mike]

You let the quarterback get sacked. The ball was f. What are you doing? Like, fix it. And they're gonna go work on it over and over.

[Host]

I mean, over. You've seen when I, when a kicker misses a field goal, they'll literally say statistically they're going to not bench him because of this. That the other thing. But they can't miss two in a row. Like, they can't.

[Mike]

Yeah, I know. And Heather says, don't have a job. Statistically in that case, you're gonna. I mean, maybe I would think again. Perfect world. Like you said, distraction. Somebody says, hey man, don't do that. And one guy is lining up to take that shot. That's over as fast as you can end it. That should be one shot straight to the skull. And that's the only place you're putting somebody's lights out immediately is the, is the, the T. So you gotta, you gotta end it. That's, that's the only way to end that.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I, I would want to, I would want to get them right through there.

[Mike]

We had a very similar one. The guys went around and, you know, I'd talk a lot of, about my SWAT team and the guys I worked with, but there are some of the guys I don't even, you know, I'm not fond of. They absolutely performed in a very similar situation here where a dude took like a 30 yard headshot of a hostage dude holding the female hostage at night. And it was completely dark black. And they said, go. The helicopter illuminated the scene and the dude took the shot immediately. And lights out. One shot right to the skull.

[Host]

And Heather, and Heather asked, do you typically try and negotiate or take them out? That's a good Question.

[Mike]

Yeah, you take them out. I mean, there's, there's no negotiate. I mean, you can't spend time with that one. That's got to be a lights out call immediately.

[Host]

Yeah, I mean, because Nick was bringing it up last night. You know, don't rush, don't kick the door. Don't do this. And I don't know, man, I've never been in a hostage situation before. I've seen some badass videos. Orange county, the SWAT team that I was on for a little bit, they. They took out a dude a couple years ago. There was one in Florida with a jail. There was a hostage in a jail and they took a sniper shot like Polk county or Lake County.

[Mike]

Yeah, no, yeah, I remember right through the glass. They were standing outside.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

Well, in, in. So Nick's situation last night's is a little different because you have a barricade involved and you have some type of barrier. In this one, there's really no time to negotiate negotiations. When the guy's fortified his position, he has hostages and he's gonna know he's in there. When you have an immediate presentation like this one, you know, lights out is the only option with, you know, the guy doesn't have cover, he has nothing barricaded. You soon as you get.

[Host]

Looks like he's moving towards the car too.

[Mike]

Yeah, he's probably trying to leave if you can. Going to leave.

[Jimmy]

If you can get him to stop, if you could just get him to stop or get him to move in a direction like, like keep him moving in one direction and, and keep him facing.

[Mike]

And you got to remember the.

[Jimmy]

I can get. Try that shot if I didn't have.

[Mike]

To, but you remember.

[Jimmy]

Okay. Can you hear me better now?

[Mike]

Yeah. You broke up for a second right in the middle of that.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I was just saying, like, look, as a sniper, if you can keep him, if you could keep him still, that'd be great, perfect world. But if you can't, if you can keep him moving, you know, in the same direction, don't, don't make him change direction. And, and it don't, you know, keep his attention. I could, you know, I can make that shot.

[Mike]

That's a, that's not a hard other thing in the cops, you know, that you can't factor in is we've all been mad. Mad. We've seen red, we've screamed, we've thrown stuff. We've all probably broken stuff. I've never been to the point where I've got a gun to my own kid's head. So you have to think of the mental status of this guy, that he's to the point in his life where he has a gun to his son's head. Like that is beyond all of our wildest dreams. Nobody's thinking that. I can't get that in my head. I could never imagine even pointing a gun at my child, let alone holding him hostage and putting a gun to their head. So you have to remember what you're dealing with to him. We say, oh, I would, you know, I try to do this, try to do. I mean, you're dealing with a guy who's absolutely in a position that none of us can even imagine what's going through his head. So that's another factor that you have to really think about that this guy's not. This is a non negotiable situation with this guy, Right?

[Jimmy]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, and again, you got to make that call, right? You got to look at that situation and go, okay, based, based on what I can see from this, I think we're gonna have to put this dude down sooner rather than later.

[Mike]

Absolutely. Let me. I forget what state that is. I think it's in the video. Let me look. Las Vegas. Las Vegas Metro.

[Host]

Okay. That was okay.

[Mike]

Yeah. Las Vegas Metro pd.

[Jimmy]

I can't imagine put. I can't imagine putting a, you know, like using a kid as a hostage in, in general.

[Host]

But like I've seen, I've seen harder shots made with iron sights, with pistols. So I'm watching this video and I'm not, you know, Mike said, watch it till the end. So I'm thinking that kid lived because the distance from, you know, I'm like, again, Monday morning quarterbacking. I've never been in that scenario, but I was looking at comparing it to all the other ones I've seen. I'm like, this might be an easier shot to make, but I guess it wasn't. Yeah.

[Mike]

And, and that's where we go to training. And that's where I get with like law enforcement training at the gun range. Most agencies, you shoot the blue man. You got 40 rounds. You can make what, 32 or whatever it is. That's it. So then we go with a swat. And I'm not, you know, I make fun of SWAT a lot, but, you know, we were, we spent hours shooting 2 inch targets of steel from 15 yards. Like we, we practice that over and over. And when you miss, we're missing, barely missing. You know, you're seeing it vibrate, you're nicking the stand, but your Aim small, miss small. And then, you know, then we would shoot a little further back, you know, 20 yards with a, you know, 4 inch target. But we did it over and over and then the speed came in. And then you watch go to SWAT roundup and you'll watch a guy clear, you know, eight 2 inch targets from 7 yards in like 4 seconds. And he's just. That guy's been there, he thought about it, he's trained it, he shot small. Now you have a head shot from 15. That's simple. Look, I'll knock that dude's eye out from, you know, but when you've never done it. And now we saw New York twice. We have New York with the guy screaming for 20 minutes about drop the knife. We got the New York where the lady, you know, yesterday, where the guy runs out the knife and mum Dami goes. And you know, those guys are shooting once a year, man, you know, now you got to take a headshot on a guy from. And I, you know, Las Vegas, I would assume, squared away, you know, I know those guys are squared away out there. That's a pretty decent agency. And, you know, so. That's tough, man. That's a tough call to be in.

[Host]

Heather says, Mike, when you train like that, do they try and put you into rest? Like your heart rate, you know as.

[Mike]

Well as I do, all they gotta do is pull that little box out and put the beep on. As soon as that thing goes beep. Am I. Yeah, as soon as you hear standby or. Yeah, we would do. I got videos. Even with Jojo, we got videos where we would go, we'd start at the 50 yard line, we would run in, do like 10 push ups, run out, run back in. Now your heart rate's way up, you've done push ups. Then you draw and take, you know, you got, you know, five steel targets to clear. So you always try to induce some type of stress, but nothing recreates a baby.

[Host]

I'll tell you what, man, a kid.

[Mike]

Looking at you, is that a gun ahead?

[Host]

I was at an agency with a lot of funding and they really never turned down any. Any type. If training was brought to the table. Like I said, the only one they didn't do that I know of was the around the car stimulation training. Because everybody's a and doesn't want to get shot with some rounds. But I can tell you this, there's no annual training for a hostage shot. We've been seeing these, we've been seeing these videos for a couple years now. It's become a lot more prominent and a lot of them more than they should end in catastrophe. And it's. Dude. It's the word. Because I couldn't imagine being that cop. I couldn't imagine it. I couldn't imagine.

[Mike]

I have a guy that. I have a guy that follows me. Real good dude. And he sends me all his training videos all the time. This dude's from his body cam. He does it on his own. If I posted that, people would call him a psychopath or a weirdo. He trains in his living room with a laser system on his gun, and he trains hostage shots and he trains retreating. And he tr. And over and over and over. And 95% of cops would d. Look at this. Look at this guy until it's time to do it. And you're like, hey, I'd really like to be that guy. So we would make fun of. If I sent those videos to anybody randomly, they'd be like, look at this out here, you know, shooting in his living room and drawing his gun. But it's right, right, but it's a. He takes this really serious. And I. I mean, I know we go down the road, but cops don't take this serious, man. How many people are drawing their gun and taking hostage shots once a day? You know, my wife, every shift, man, that gun magazine comes out, clears her weapon, and she takes 30 to 40 dry fire shots before she leaves the house every single day. I mean, so you got to be ready, man.

[Jimmy]

Oh, my God, dude. I mean, I. I don't understand why people wouldn't do that.

[Host]

I really.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're. You want to get another digital? You went digital for like five seconds.

[Jimmy]

I don't know what's going on.

[Host]

Let me back out.

[Jimmy]

Because it keeps like it, dude.

[Host]

It.

[Jimmy]

For some reason, it's. It's going fine. And then all of a sudden.

[Host]

You're good now, dude. You're fine now.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's just random.

[Jimmy]

It's not.

[Mike]

It's not bad.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, Internet's good. Everything's good. I don't know if I need to clear the cash or something like that.

[Mike]

Lewis's fault.

[Host]

Does anybody know who this guy is? Saw this last night before I left.

[Jimmy]

The department because every briefing was 10 more things we can't do, 10 more things we can't say. And I remember telling my sergeant, so now we're just secretaries with glocks. They made foot pursuits out of policy. I'm like, I'm out. This is fucking dumb. We're not allowed to enforce the Law and protect our citizens. I'm out. Why do these cops sit on the.

[Mike]

Job, on up for their 20 year.

[Jimmy]

Pension, but you ain't doing shit. You're not protecting the people. Why are you obeying these unlawful orders? Or why are you staying in that line of work? I mean, a lot of good guys are getting out. And the sad truth is, nationwide is then you get the yes men that become cops and they lower the standards. Boom. And see the cultural shift in law enforcement where there are people that are just happy to collect paycheck and sit in their cars and mind their business as opposed to getting out and hunting bad guys and protecting people. It's sad. Like, there's no reason why any cop anywhere should just be sitting around and.

[Mike]

Not helping the people.

[Host]

Like, that's just insane.

[Jimmy]

If you're a cop doing that, you're.

[Mike]

That's why I left the department.

[Jimmy]

Because every briefing was 10 more things we can't do. 10 more things we can't say. And I remember telling my sergeant, so now we're just. Yeah.

[Mike]

No, I'm looking. He doesn't follow very many people. He's on Instagram, Spotify, Apple and Rumble. He's not on YouTube.

[Host]

More like a guest.

[Mike]

Yeah, well, now he's on. He's in. Oh, yeah, maybe. No, he's. He's definitely the host because he's in every video on their Instagram.

[Host]

Hey. Wearing a buck hat, man.

[Mike]

Yeah. Good Vibes Underscore podcast with Clark and Ryan. I don't see if they don't follow anybody. They only have 2300 followers. But yeah, seems like he knows what he's talking about.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I wonder if he was tpd doesn't say.

[Mike]

Having fun. Good Vibes. Tune in our weekly podcast to have a chat about topics and us and interview guests. And then he's got his platforms where.

[Jimmy]

He'S at.

[Mike]

A website.

[Jimmy]

Let's do that.

[Mike]

Talks about where they're from. I'm a former Navy seal, police officer, contractor. One of them is Clark Impostato. Impost.

[Host]

Are you on a website or on Instagram?

[Mike]

Yeah, I'm on. Where. If you go to Good vibes. Good vibes. Dude.com.

[Host]

Good Vibes, Dudes. Doc. Okay.

[Mike]

I don't know if it's dude or dudes. I can't see it all the way in my browser. One's a Navy Seal and one is a. Looks like a civilian.

[Jimmy]

No.

[Mike]

One. He's working with the Danny Deets Memorial Fund. The other guy.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, man.

[Mike]

There's a lot of people out There. It's like we talk about like with the, with the advertising and marketing. Like there's this guy out there, like nobody knows, you know, you don't know he's there, but like people don't know we're out there. It's. It's wild how big the Internet is.

[Jimmy]

I mean, it's a. It's a big c. I'll.

[Host]

I'll spy something. Lighten up the mood real quick.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Ready for this?

[Jimmy]

Yes.

[Host]

What is it?

[Mike]

Oh, boy.

[Host]

Where is it? I don't have a very loud voice. I'm sorry.

[Mike]

Oh, boy.

[Jimmy]

They started yelling it to a group of black people. Did you see that? Oh, my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

[Mike]

Oh boy. Dude get beat up. You think he's responsible?

[Host]

I think I was actually thinking that you wanted me to play this one, Mike.

[Mike]

I don't remember what it is. I don't know. Hopefully it's nothing bad, but it could be bad. I don't know what I think.

[Jimmy]

Oh, God.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah. This is a you, dude.

[Host]

I just think it's funny.

[Mike]

This is funny.

[Host]

Hosting with Mike. A lot of the time I sit and he's right to my right and I can't. I can't look at him because I know him so well. I know when he's. I'm gonna look over and he's just gonna be staring at me. And I just completely just. I like gobbled it up. It was so well done.

[Jimmy]

And all of you play a part in that chemistry.

[Mike]

Vanessa sue is a soon to be.

[Host]

Mom who's gonna be stepping into this massive new role.

[Jimmy]

But she also wants to hold on to her career and still save the.

[Host]

World and protect the citizens.

[Mike]

I spoke to Matt and Kevin and.

[Host]

Everybody about any trope and I was worried about it at certain points, you know. And you know, you know, he annoyed him sometimes because I was thinking about it so much because there are so many cliches associated with so many, so much of the time mothers in films over the decades. And I can't ever tell what he's not looking at. Just.

[Jimmy]

Just making funny faces and he's being.

[Host]

Very unprofessional, very boring. Yeah. Anybody listening? That's. That's the Avengers and the cast for the Avengers in an interview. And she said, I just loved the movie so much, I gobbled it all up. And one dude, stop laughing.

[Mike]

And that was it. I do it too. I sit like this and I just look. I look over like this and I'm waiting for him to look at me and I Can see him. He's like. He's like, try not to let me. He keeps his head straight, and I just. I will not break until he finally looks at me. And that's when he looks at me. I just look away.

[Jimmy]

Oh, man.

[Mike]

I mean, yeah, that's the worst. That is the worst feeling. I. I sent it to my buddy Matheson, the guy I worked with my whole life, my ride or die. One of the few loyal cops I ever met. And I remember one day, we're in the jury when we went to traffic court. You guys are huge. You probably didn't have to deal with this, but we went to traffic court is rather small. So it was like, you walk in the courtroom, and they would put all the cops in the jury box, where the jury. Jury would normal sit, and then all the defendants would be in the. In the gallery, and something would happen. And there we are in front of a judge, all these attorneys, other cops, and all these defendants. And you're sitting in the jury box and just trying not to laugh, and you're looking at your buddy and, like, there's a dude in there telling some sob story about the most ridiculous story about why he was speeding. And. Oh, God, I would sit there and the pain of trying not to laugh. Now, that's probably the best place. The worst and best place for it to ever happen is right in the middle of court.

[Jimmy]

I mean, is anybody ever broke?

[Mike]

Oh, God.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You can't help it, dude. Like, you're like. You know, these people are telling. Yeah. You know, up there telling their sob story about why they stopped or, you know, why they didn't pull over or why they were speeding. And you're just like, dude, this guy.

[Host]

And then, dude, Jimmy, have you seen that? Well, you guys both have probably seen it. The guy is getting awarded, like, the Medal of Honor from Obama. And he starts laughing.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Because he says something stupid there, too, right?

[Jimmy]

That's. Yeah, he. So Obama was, like, up. Down at the outpost, his friends were getting pounded.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Host]

I mean, like, to me, my. The caption I saw was, you can take the guy out of the infantry, but you can't take the infantry out of the guy. And he's just. He goes like, this.

[Mike]

Dude, that's the worst feel. That's the worst feeling when, you know, it's, like, not appropriate. And you're like, man, it's like.

[Jimmy]

Because, you know, like, everybody else is like, all your buddies are back there. Like, if somebody had said that, we would be like, no. Are they getting pounded? How Are they getting pounded, bro?

[Mike]

Oh, God. I mean, like, her. She says, gobble it up. And it's like, oh, God, there it is.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I mean, there's no. There's no way around that, dude. You can't. You know, just. This is what it is.

[Host]

Like, it's 4, 3, 2, 15, whatever that is. What country?

[Jimmy]

That's. That's Israel.

[Mike]

We just took money. Oh, boy.

[Jimmy]

So that. That's a. That's a. That's literally 15 shekels.

[Host]

All right. Nice, man. I just. I'm laughing because I'm so stupid. I don't know where any. What anything means or anything. So y' all are Monday morning quarterback. And I mean. I mean, not in a bad way, y' all being fair, but these guys should be in the ready room hot washing this within 24 to 48 hours. I mean, the way should be doing it. Immediately afterwards, they're off, they're home with their families waiting on. There's here. I can imagine this. You're waiting on. You're. No one's really going to be reporting to you whether they live or die because they know you can't handle if they died. You're sitting there wondering, if they die, am I going to go to prison for the rest of my life? While you tell your wife at three in the morning what just happened? And you got, what, 48, 72 hours before you're talking to giving your. Your official statement, you know what happened. It's. It's a nightmare scenario. But, you know, like I said, if this was a. Like, you're. You're kind of. If you're talking military. Yeah. If you're a dude and you smoke a dude in a room, yeah. You'll probably be debriefing it.

[Jimmy]

I mean, it depends, though. I mean, if you're doing a hit, sure. But in a. I mean, in a. In a firefight, like, no, that's not. It's like, firefights are weird, man. Like, you get. You get into a gunfight with people and, you know, like, hey, did you shoot that guy? I don't know, dude. I was shooting at the guy in the red pants.

[Mike]

That's like the military version. I get it. Like, it's war, but in the cop world, like, what we see all the time, dumb mistakes. We got the video, the girl tasing her partner. All the things we see every day. When you do. When you do this job and it's videoed, you potentially are going to end up in court. Like, that video lives forever. So wouldn't you want to get better? Wouldn't you want to improve on things and make sure they're done correctly? And it just doesn't happen. It doesn't. It's like a. It's like a taboo almost to. Like we talked about yesterday, Tyler, like to say, hey, I want you to watch your video back and I'm going to show you what I think you did wrong. And it's almost like you get defensive immediately. And I'll tell you, coming from the older generation, when I made sergeant, first day I make sergeant, first day on the road on my own pursuit, and I hear the officer just not stopping, and I'm like, here I go. Like, I know what I would have done when I was a cop out of lied on the radio, done everything against policy to get up to that car and do it. Now you're in charge, so what do you do? So I ended up shutting it down. And based on who the cop was that called it out and all that, my best friend, Matheson, lieutenant friend forever, he pulls me in, he goes, pulls the video, he goes, watch this. And then he shows me everything I did wrong. And it's like, okay, like, like from experience. Here's what I saw, here's what you did. Here's what I think that's the right way to do it, in my opinion, is just not. Not in a. Not in a make fun of, not in a let me embarrass you type manner, but sit down and this is what. And I was like, damn, dude, I didn't even think about that. Right. Well, you're never going to think about it if somebody doesn't tell you about it. So that's. But it's. You know as well as I do, if you pull up to any road dog and you say, hey man, we're gonna watch your video, it's going to be defensive, it's going to be excuses, it's going to be arguments about why. And that's not what it's about. It's about like, I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm trying to just show you like, hey, you might want to think about this. You might want to think about that.

[Host]

Well, these are things that a good, A good sergeant could do, they should do. But here's the thing is, I mean, it is what it is. You're dealing with, like I said, you're dealing with kind of children. You need to go do everybody, if you were a sergeant, had a good relationship with all of your guys, know where they want to go, know Their weaknesses, know their strengths, and also sat down with every single one of them, said, I'm gonna pick apart something, dude, because we're not perfect. So I think that would really bring down the level of defensiveness. If it's like, well, Sarge is doing this to everybody. I've seen him do it, everybody.

[Mike]

And that's how it should be.

[Host]

He's gonna find something because we need to be learning.

[Mike]

Yes. But it's frowned upon now because the way that this police world has flipped and this young generation comes in, that is, they don't like being told they did something wrong. They've never been told for mom and dad they did something wrong. They never got their ass beat by mom and dad for doing something wrong. So you have this whole generation that's just cruised through and that's just the world. The world has changed. But when you try to critique them, it's like you're the. They make. They flip it and they get the kind of the admin now, because what cop. Nobody wants to work anymore as a cop that, you know, the agencies are having trouble filling jobs. So it's like, oh, God, let's not piss all these people off. We don't want them to leave, but we want to make sure they're okay. You're almost like, frowned upon for even the basics of like, hey, guys, you know, I asked you to do a perimeter, and I got on the radio nicely and I said, do a perimeter. And when I got to the scene, you6 were standing in front of the house with your dicks in your hand looking at the front door, and it's like I. I wanted you to do. Now, when I became a cop, if that happened, Sergeant would have walked up and said, you stupid. And you would have got screamed at, embarrassed, and guess what? You'd never do it again. You would absolutely go on a perimeter and never do it again. Now you have to, like, navigate that and say, hey, guys, you know, you disobeyed everything I said on the radio. None of you listen. But I get it, man. You know, we're. Next time, let's get them. And you have to. You have to present it that way. You can't do the old school way, or you're. It's frowned upon.

[Host]

So.

[Mike]

And then they don't learn. And then they get away with like, hey, all I'm gonna do is get like a little talking to, and I'll just talk and tell them to go themselves next time. So it's like, it's. It's. We're losing it, man. We're losing it. We're losing it fast.

[Jimmy]

Well, I mean, it's already kind of gone in a lot of places. There's not really much we can do about that, you know? You know, if you want. You can't have a kindler, gentler police force.

[Host]

On the topic. I know you, you. What do you got, about like 15 minutes, Mike?

[Mike]

No, I got. I can go another 30. About 12. I gotta be at 2 and it's an hour drive. So if I get off at like a little after 12, I can get changed and go.

[Host]

All right, so this one Heather sent to me, it's. It's a rather long one. It's longer than we usually break down, so we'll talk during it. This was a mental health call. You might have seen it before. It's pretty standard. But it. And the civilian in the video doesn't say until the very end and he gives his dumb ass take on it. And at the end of the day, it's just. It's a routine mental health call that goes hands on. You know, some stuff's done and it's kind of like. I want people to. While we're in the topic of questioning whether law enforcement should be involved in mentally ill people, I want you to. I want everyone to think about how a social worker would handle this call.

[Jimmy]

I think he's lost his mind for real.

[Host]

He's sober, he's not high, he's not drunk.

[Mike]

Take that comment down.

[Jimmy]

He's talking.

[Host]

What's up, man? Oh, look at my bro. What are you doing? So first off, I want to say mom says he's not drinking, he's not on drugs anymore. I have never once listened to a mom tell me about her adult son in this situation because she is going to want to believe. And I don't blame a parent. I don't blame a parent. But that's not credible source. Oh, my son's not drunk and he's sober now.

[Mike]

He's a good kid now.

[Host]

I'll make that determination. I'm the one, Nicole.

[Jimmy]

He hit me in the head. I never. I'm almost up here.

[Mike]

Can I stop right there real quick?

[Jimmy]

Come over here. Nope.

[Mike]

You. You already have a crime now. You hit. He hit me in the head. So it's. It's a crime. So there's. I get. It's a mental health call, but at this point he's. He's goes to jail. But that's. That's my first.

[Host]

I thought the crime was flashing them big ass Titties, but yeah, that's part of it.

[Mike]

Those. Those jail tattoos.

[Jimmy]

But he's not drunk.

[Host]

You okay?

[Jimmy]

I do not have cookies.

[Mike]

I got to step up.

[Host]

That's. Listen to mom sitting there trying. No, no. See what that is. It's like. It's so hard. But you have to tell mom. Get the back. You called me and he already told.

[Mike]

Me he hit you. So he's. I can arrest him.

[Jimmy]

You okay?

[Mike]

Step out of here.

[Host]

Anxiety.

[Jimmy]

That's a strip for sleeping.

[Host]

Step out here.

[Jimmy]

I'm here for good reason. You're not okay. I'm here because you punched this old lady.

[Mike]

That cocaine, cuz.

[Host]

Turn around. Turn around.

[Jimmy]

Nope.

[Host]

Turn around.

[Mike]

Relax.

[Host]

You're skin scared. What? I'm not fighting with you.

[Jimmy]

Turn around.

[Host]

You're black.

[Jimmy]

I don't even know it. Come out here. Embrace now.

[Mike]

I'm in the house. Holy Jesus Christ.

[Host]

He just bucked up to a cop. Cop had to push him away. Now mind you, I want you to think if all of this was just a social worker, right? A social worker or a paramedic. Embrace. Relaxing.

[Jimmy]

Don't touch me.

[Mike]

Real quick though, can you point? Can a Monday morning quarterback this cop went from having earth behind him to run to or get away to now.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And put himself in a corner in the back where he has a house, an unknown house and a wall behind him. Just my first observations. Very bad position to be.

[Jimmy]

It's exactly what I was thinking.

[Mike]

Turn around. I will never turn around.

[Host]

Turn around.

[Mike]

Hey. You are so stupid. I'm about to turn.

[Jimmy]

Touch you in one place and you're gonna die.

[Host]

Look at that. Okay, now Mike did bring up a good point. You have a crime. This. This. Now you have a misdemeanor and you have a mental health crisis. Now that misdemeanor, if you wanted to can take precedence over worrying about this guy's well being in his state of mind. However, you get a social worker in there or EMS in there that goes and does this. They might not know they have a crime. They might not know. Okay, we got to call the cops. And you're still going to be waiting on a five minute response from the cops once you call 91 1. So, you know, that's just. That's the benefit of having law enforcement show up. Is this now is a. Is a criminal investigation. Back up or I'm gonna make sure.

[Mike]

No.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Get on the ground in the beginning.

[Host]

Though, and get on the ground now.

[Mike]

Cocaine is good. I'm allergic to pepper spray.

[Host]

Get on the ground.

[Mike]

All the way on the ground.

[Host]

Get on the ground all the way.

[Jimmy]

Hey, you smell kind of good, bro.

[Mike]

All the way.

[Host]

Get on the ground.

[Jimmy]

I'm gonna spray you if you don't.

[Host]

Get on the ground right now.

[Mike]

Really good.

[Host]

Get on the ground right now.

[Mike]

I was sorry.

[Host]

Get on the ground right now. I don't care. Get on the ground right now. Get on the ground.

[Jimmy]

I don't know.

[Host]

Get on the ground right now.

[Jimmy]

I just told you not to do that to me.

[Host]

Right there. I just. The guy stands up, looks me dead in the eyes and goes, I just told you not to do that to me, dude. At maybe not me, but that's a point where a gun could be drawn. Like, dude, you are literally my. My less than lethal equipment is not working on you. And you just. You. You stood straight up, looked me in the eyes and started walking towards me and said, I just told you not to do that to me.

[Mike]

Like, if you want my opinion, this is a very untrained, very scared police officer. Not ready for this confrontation. Just on where we're at already, because hands on. Should have been. We should already be scrapping.

[Host]

Oh, yeah. He should have been speared into that door frame, dude.

[Mike]

Yeah, but go ahead. I don't. Like I said, this is.

[Host]

This is the guy that wants to him up. He's getting there. Get on the ground right now.

[Mike]

You're 10 miles. I said turn right.

[Host]

Get on the ground right now.

[Jimmy]

You're gonna get it again.

[Host]

Get on the ground right now or you're gonna get it again.

[Mike]

Give it to him again. Why are you telling them?

[Host]

Get on the ground right now. Get on the ground.

[Jimmy]

All the way.

[Host]

On the ground. Get on the ground. All right, you are going to see what Mike is saying when he goes to handcuff this dude. I don't. I. I don't know. It looks to me like this cop is visibly shaken, but I. I could.

[Mike]

Be on your stomach.

[Host]

Could just be shaky.

[Mike]

Cameras.

[Jimmy]

Civilization.

[Host]

You don't believe me?

[Mike]

That's the luckiest cop on earth that it ended like that. Yeah, the luckiest. I thought we thought we were headed a lot.

[Host]

The rest of it is really. It's just the car process and getting this knucklehead that's mentally ill into a car they take them to, they put like this. I've never seen this before.

[Mike]

Everybody's got a hat on. I know you're not gonna understand this, Michael.

[Jimmy]

He's standing right out of car just yet he didn't. Starts pulling.

[Mike]

Then he went, michael, he gets the help he needs. He Is.

[Host]

No.

[Mike]

So let me, Let me, Let me be a real quick.

[Host]

But this guy goes. Goes pretty much and gives his opinion. He said, I guess the cops did, you know, a pretty decent job. But, you know, it's just, you know, and at the end of the day, it's like, what more did you want that cop to do? I'm telling you, if that was me, you wouldn't like the response because I. I don't know that this guy's mentally ill. I have to assume he might be on method.

[Mike]

Illness takes a back seat. That's a nice. That's. That's cool. We're all, you know, we all. We're all mentally ill. I'm very mentally ill. We're all mentally ill. But mental illness takes a back seat to public safety, officer safety and all that. And unfortunately, the suspect in hips comes last hostages innocence police suspect. So his mental illness is cool. And I'm sorry that you, you know, whatever chromosomes got mixed up or whatever, you know, vaccine caused you to act like you did or the COVID shot that takes a backseat to safety, and you can't put safety out of the way. Where I really go to this as a disaster is if you and I worked for this type of agency. You see the. Now he's got to go explain to the sergeant, whoever's there all the things he did and why he did them. You can see that's what I believe has happened. Hey, he did this. I. That's. That to me, shows it's a bad agency. That's why I'd like to know what agency it is, because I don't give a what you did. If that guy's in the backseat of the car and he's in cuff. Good. Go get him out of here. I don't need you to recreate it for me and retell it to me all around. That's a 1 of 10 in my opinion. That whole whole scene.

[Jimmy]

Damn.

[Mike]

You hear. Think about it, you hear crime 1 out of 10. I mean, they scored a 1 out of 10. That guy is lucky that the dude on cocaine decided to lay down because that's probably the first video I've ever seen anybody decide to actually lay down after being pepper sprayed and not keep going. So they got lucky. But that dude was big. That dude could have gone a billion ways. What's in the kitchen? What's in that guy's apartment? Guns, knives, weapons.

[Host]

That's what. And that's what I was talking Heather about, is that, you know, when he took off initially, before he Got sprayed, He turned around and started going back in that house. As a cop, you got to decide. You got about one second to decide how you're going to handle that. Are you. If there's. If you can tell there's nobody in the house and you're like, hey, man, I already ate lunch. It. Let him close the door. We'll write a warrant, we'll file charges on them, whatever. SWAT's not coming for a misdemeanor domestic violence call. They're not gonna. What they're gonna do is they're gonna say, file on them. Some states will let you write a warrant on a misdemeanor if it's domestic violence. So if you don't want that, you want the arrest and you want, like, cops like we want. I want. I don't want to go do that whole investigation, had that little. Running his house, and I have to do paperwork, and I don't get an arrest. That's what's going to go through my head. Second, what's going to go through my head, which should be first, is he's going to go in there and get a weapon, and he's going to force. He's going to turn this whole situation into something it doesn't need to be. So therefore, I'm stopping that. Kind of like Mike always says, force before is good rather than an extreme amount of force.

[Mike]

Being more force now is less force later.

[Host]

You spear him into the door frame, stun him a little bit, fight him. Now you got to use BJJ on somebody like that. You got to be able to keep him down. Your homeboy is a minute and a half away, as opposed to him go in and get some knife and come back out, and then you gotta kill him. That's actually a really good example of how that could look bad. Fighting a dude in his kitchen in front of his whole family. But it's. It prevented him grabbing something stupid and getting killed.

[Mike]

Yeah, I mean, and Monday morning quarterback, we're right for even talking about it, but yes, the victim's out, house essentially empty. He goes back in. Okay, you know what? Call the unit. Call everybody surround. You can gas. You can even do pepper. Pepper ball and all that without swat. But you're negotiating with a guy on cocaine, you're by yourself. You're either all in or all out. And that was kind of an in betweener. And where. Where I notice if you guys. Jimmy, I know this is new to you, like the cop stuff, but when you start to watch those guys, what I want you to start paying attention to is you watch those guys that say the same thing over and over. And when a guy is stuck in that loop over and over in his brain, there's no more tools in the toolbox for him to go to. He doesn't, he doesn't know how to go hands on. He doesn't know what to do next. So the only thing you' here is the same command over and over because they're, they're done. They have nothing left to go reach for in their brain. So they're just going to keep saying, get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground.

[Jimmy]

They have nothing else that, that to me also is. I mean, maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm looking at as like not just that he has no tools, he has no plan. He has no plan for nothing in his head. Yeah. If this doesn't work, what am I going to do next? You know, like the, the escalation of force.

[Mike]

I want. Yes. When we watch these videos, just start paying attention to the. Over and over and over.

[Jimmy]

If. Yeah, yeah. If I tell this, hey, dude, get on the ground or I'm gonna pepper spray you. And. And I have to pepper spray him. Okay, what do I have next? Back up hopefully, because that's a big boy and I, you know, baby, I.

[Mike]

Just, I have a really good. I gotta get it. I don't know if it's still there. I have a good video of mine where I told. I talked about the other day, the guy stabbed somebody and I catch him walking across the street and we end up in a backyard. And I give him a two or three, like, get on the grounds, get on the grounds. And then it's like, well, he's not listening. And then it goes from there to where we end up tasing them. But it's just. I'm not knocking me because I don't. I never. I don't know. The other calls guys have been on. I can only refer to the ones I remember being on and I didn't take them. I didn't really do anything. But it's like having somebody with that mind on scene to go, okay, what's next? Because you'll see guys in videos just scream, scream. One of the videos we always talk about, about. I know we've all seen it. The, the kid in Georgia that was killed in the. Right out of the academy. The guy in the white pickup truck, I believe it was the military Vietnam vet that ends up executing him and what that kid gets stuck in is the same thing over and over. Stop. The guy's. He actively loading a gun in front of the kid, like, getting ready to shoot him with the rifle. The kid just stands there and says, drop the gun. Don't do that. Drop the gun. Doesn't fire until the guy actually produces a gun and fires it. It's like you don't have that. It's not in your head that what comes next. And even walking. Think about it. If you got a guy that you hit beat, and he goes back to the car and starts original. Around in the back, ruffling around the back seat, you're at deadly force. You can articulate that. What's he doing? He already fought with me.

[Host]

He's.

[Mike]

Now he's right around the back seat. We shot a guy over here. He killed somebody in. Over by you? Kissimmee or Orange County. Killed a guy who was like, an Arab, and he came here in the town. It hits the LPRs. They get him at Sam's club, unarmed, didn't have a gun, but he's yelling Allah Akbar. And he won't stop. And soon as he reaches back in the car, he gets stitched up by the two guys on scene. No weapon. Perfectly fine, perfectly good shoot. Like you don't have to wait to have a gun presented at you when all those factors go in. What we happen to see, though, is really bad ones that Dom points out and everybody on the Internet points out when we do. Really bad. But in those situations, like, you got to be in your mind. You have to have been there before or at least thought about it.

[Host]

Dylan gifted somebody a membership. Thanks, Dylan. We have Jay saner became a YouTube member, bro. Thank you so much. And Gay Saner gifted the broadcast to another person. I don't really know how that works, but you guys are amazing. We're helping each other out, you know, like we've always said, man, we don't.

[Mike]

Get a guy that's gonna go read case law. That's pretty good.

[Host]

What'd you say?

[Mike]

He said somebody types too fast, he's gonna go read Supreme Court case law. That's a good idea.

[Host]

But. Yeah. So we're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. Mike, are you going to be back? You can be gone.

[Mike]

I can go 15 more minutes after this.

[Host]

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[Jimmy]

Yeah, I just tried to clear the cache because I kept getting it where it would like. You guys would just stop moving and then I would get the circle and then you would go really fast, and I was like, okay, yeah.

[Host]

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[Jimmy]

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[Host]

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[Jimmy]

Oh, my God.

[Mike]

That was pretty good.

[Jimmy]

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[Host]

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[Mike]

Right there. No, right there. Hit it on mine. It's on my screen. Just share it. Right on. Okay, that's it.

[Host]

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[Mike]

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[Host]

Oh, I guess I use pro. The promo code is anti hero for counterculture ink threads. I must have said anti error 15 mics is anti hero 15 for Cotville. But yes, counterculture threads is anti arrow.

[Mike]

All right, here we go. Download. Download.

[Host]

Okay, when we get a shadow cash shirt, Jimmy, we go soon.

[Jimmy]

Very soon.

[Host]

We're.

[Jimmy]

We're getting it. It's in the shadows right now, but it's coming out.

[Host]

Let's go back.

[Mike]

Never before. Never before seen footage of old man Cotville. Coming up.

[Host]

Unknown. Hold on.

[Mike]

Almost done. And then I gotta go.

[Jimmy]

All right.

[Mike]

Oh, no. This is a pain in the dick. Where did it.

[Host]

Put it down. I got. I got it all Right. So while we're waiting. While we're waiting, if you didn't catch Night Shift last night, go to. Go to Counterculture, YouTube, Counterculture, Inc. YouTube and watch the Night Shift. It was our first night shift ever, strictly on Counterculture, Inc. And it got a little wild and it was fun.

[Mike]

Did it?

[Host]

But I saw this, and it kind of reminded me of last night.

[Jimmy]

Ellie, you got any more of that cheese toast?

[Mike]

How about some rolls?

[Host]

Can a get some rolls in here?

[Mike]

Shelly, Ken and N word. Get somewhere else in here. What's up, Shelly?

[Host]

There are some things that were said. Not that the N word wasn't said, but.

[Mike]

All right, so this is a vehicle pursuit bailout I had. If you start the one, you'll see two videos. One's more zoomed in. You'll see, like, the street.

[Host]

Well, it goes set 3537.

[Mike]

3753 will give you the. The 3753 will give you the vehicle bailout, and then you'll move the other one. I get in the foot pursuit. So this is from my car, and I'm chasing. There's a charger that just turned the corner right there to the right, and they all bail out. This gives you an idea of what a head start these kids had. So if you look right, boom, they're already gone. They're already past the building right there. And you're going to see me take off running. All right, then go to the other one. You'll be seeing my body camera from inside my car.

[Host]

Okay. It's weird.

[Jimmy]

There you go.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Host]

It's loading.

[Mike]

It's not playing. I don't see it.

[Host]

Yeah, that's weird. It's. I can hear it and I can see it, but it's not video. It's just a still of your hand, really.

[Mike]

Try one time. Let me see if I can get. Maybe I can bring it to the desktop and try it again.

[Host]

See, it's taken forever to load.

[Mike]

Yeah, hold on.

[Host]

Yeah, I don't know if it's the video file or. Shouldn't be the Internet here. I can hear you running.

[Jimmy]

Hold on.

[Mike]

Let me see if I can get that. Just that one copy.

[Host]

I have a bunch of videos of me on a hard drive I have ripped from body worn camera. The. Our agency made us. They. They were cheap, right? So when you get issued body cameras from Axon, Axon also says we highly advise you to buy each officer a little tablet so he could monitor his videos and do his thing. And the first agency I had, they bought everybody Google Tablets to be able to take it to work with you. And strictly solely for the Axon body cam. Right. Well, the NCI went to was like, we're not gonna buy them. We're gonna make the cops put the app on their phone.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Host]

So I had to go to Axon, download the Axon app on my own phone. Get this, Jimmy. Then they tried telling us that you can't screen record the videos that you play on your phone. It's against policy. And I'm like, but it's on my phone. And they're like, but it's our property. So I'm like, so you're telling me I have to download an app, utilize this app on my phone, but I can't download the videos? And I said that. So I got a bunch of. I got a bunch of videos of me.

[Jimmy]

Doing anything.

[Host]

I could probably play them.

[Mike]

The feds.

[Host]

Here, dude, let me try again.

[Mike]

Jesus. I lost the whole screen. Hold on. I don't see you guys anymore.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, you're frozen.

[Mike]

All right, let me back out. Come back in. Hold on.

[Jimmy]

We lost him.

[Host]

Oh, he took all his videos with him.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Dude, I didn't know that you guys couldn't have videos of yourself doing cool. That seems.

[Host]

Yeah, so, yeah, it's technically, it's their property. It's public record, so you can request it in a public records request. But, you know, I was streaming it on my phone. I was watching videos of me doing cool. I mean, Heather knows I sent her a video of me just tripping and falling ones. I had my body one camera on and I stepped on a piece of fencing and I just went. And I fell. And I was like, that's funny. I would screen record like that all the time, but we weren't allowed to, so I was never allowed to like release it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because I was still a cop there. But I probably do it now.

[Jimmy]

I mean. So this is when you started getting good at editing videos? When you were looking at your.

[Host]

Yeah, I got my origins.

[Mike]

See if that works. See if that works. All right, that's me jumping out of the car body.

[Host]

Okay. Yep. Okay.

[Jimmy]

Oh, damn, he's getting it.

[Host]

You're moving a lot faster in this video.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, a lot faster here. No commands.

[Mike]

He's not inside. I can barely see him. 17 year old black kid.

[Jimmy]

You know that kid was moving too.

[Host]

Why?

[Jimmy]

What? Cuz he's got that young man, you know, tendons.

[Host]

Got the. With the 100 foot taser cords.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Distraction out of your technique.

[Host]

Did you know you were getting gaining on Him, Mike.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, I can see him.

[Host]

Are you confident?

[Mike]

Oh, yeah. I knew I had him. You can see him right around the corner here.

[Jimmy]

I knew I had him. You made me run two blocks back.

[Mike]

West from my car. I got one. Here's. Calm down. No scrat. Crazy.

[Jimmy]

Underneath you.

[Mike]

Get your hands out from underneath you.

[Host]

Man, I miss sometimes. I miss it sometimes, Mike, you know when you're watching videos like that.

[Mike]

So to context that, I'm. That's. I'm 40. That's 44 years old. 43 years, 42 years old. Shift sergeant. I'm the sergeant. I'm. I don't have to do. I can sit under a tree all day. That's me in the hood. Solid charger. Take a wide turn, kind of turn a corner, quick on me. Pursued it for about two minutes to where we ended up. And then they all three bailed. There's three of them. Three bailed. The passenger looked the heaviest and slowest, so I went after the passenger. That's part of the. That's part of the brain right here. I was like, all right, the two kids on the left look skinny, and took off to the left. I'm like, here's a six. One fat kid. I'm like, let me go after him. But, you know, 22nd, 15 second, head start. Car was stolen. He had some weed on him. But, I mean, I don't. I don't like to say anything, but just composure. Composure. You just got a foot chase. How many guys would run up knee, spike, kick, punch, dump, beat up, like, all that stuff? It's like, I got him. He's on the ground. Gain control, you know, gain compliance, get on the radio, you know, cool off. And then, you know, he pulls a gun out. He's face down away from me. So you saw, I kind of positioned myself behind him.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So if he does pull a gun out, he's gonna have to turn all the way back around, which would give me time to just dump the taser and pull my gun and shoot.

[Host]

So.

[Mike]

And that's all going through my head while that's all happening. It's not like I'm just kind of making it up as I go. Like, I'm thinking, let me reposition myself. Let me get behind him so I can be where he has to completely turn behind himself to shoot me. And that's it is what it is, man. If you look at the time, I think I ran a minute, and it was over. A minute of. Of. Of running.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I was surprised you didn't be like, you. You made me run.

[Mike]

No, I mean, that's. And that's staying in shape, being ready, you know? And that's a super. Like I said, I'm a supervisor. I don't have to do anything. I could sit at my house all day. Really. I mean, some guys do, so. But there I am. I enjoyed the job. I love the job. That's the kind of stuff I got into, and I love it.

[Host]

But somebody said the Terminator. Run.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike]

It's funny, when you hear the siren, that's me going across the street. My buddy's like, the guy that ends up coming to help me. Nick Hatton, great dude. He's a pilot now at Martin County Sheriff's Office. He's coming by as I go across the street, and then he goes around the block and finds me.

[Jimmy]

But I want to put the Terminator music over that.

[Mike]

The funny thing is, though, when I first call out the pursuit, I'm like. I was 1180. I'm like, 1180. Vehicles not stopping. 1180, we're westbound on MLK. Literally not making it up. We're the westbound on MLK. I'm like, westbound MLK. Like, 1180. We're passing 43rd, and nobody says anything. I'm like, 35 seconds into this, and I get. I'm on channel one, and I go, can anyone hear me? Like, is anybody listening? And, like, my lieutenant was coming from far away. My buddy Mathis is my lieutenant. And then all of a sudden, the canine was right there. Nick was right there. I don't know. They were like, their brains froze for a minute. I'm like, okay, I guess I'm just on my own. Like, nobody's lit, or did I die? Did I hit a telephone pole like, 10 seconds ago? And I'm still in my head. I think I'm still driving. Like, I'm like, am I alive? Like, what's going on?

[Host]

So.

[Mike]

But no, that was. That was peak shape right there, man. That was right after I made swat. I just got promoted. Like, I was like, I was it.

[Host]

Oh, so that was a couple years. That was, like, 10 years ago.

[Mike]

That was. No, that was 20. That was 2022.

[Host]

Oh, okay, so I'm, like, peak.

[Mike]

I'm peak. Like, love.

[Host]

That is what. Peak male performance.

[Mike]

That's it, man. That's an old man, dude. Like, I said, 40. 22. That's four years ago. I'm 41. Going on 42 right there.

[Jimmy]

Locked him down.

[Mike]

So I can run like that again.

[Host]

All right, brother.

[Mike]

See you guys Monday. Take Care.

[Jimmy]

Man. That was a good video. I'm like, that was a great.

[Host]

Yeah, I guess maybe I should. Maybe. Maybe next Friday we'll break down. I'm not trying to outdo Mike.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Host]

But I've got some killer videos too. Kind of to put to rest, I think. I honestly think, Jimmy, I think the parking lot joke got out of hand. I'm like, do I need to actually let people know that I was on street crimes and all this stuff? The parking lot jokes? My. Was. My last year at the agency, I checked out. I was gonna focus on the podcast full time just to get that off the ground. So at work, dude, I. I would respond to calls. I was a great cop. I was. I would. If you called me, I'd do my job. But I wasn't out there looking for dope and guns and bad guys and, you know, I was in a better area, kind of in the hood, like. Well, I was an old school hood. They didn't really call that much. They handled their own. And when you'd go, they'd comply with you as much as they could because they in some weird shape in. In some weird way. Old school hood respects cops. Like, they respect co thing. We don't go in there unless we have to, and they don't go out of the lines crazy to where we have to go in there. So it's kind of.

[Jimmy]

Exactly.

[Host]

Yeah. Somebody's asking if. If Counterculture Inc. Can put Crave in the box. No. So Crave. Counterculture Inc. Is owned by me, the. The T shirt company. And I pack all the orders, and me and Heather run that. But Crave Creatine is a totally different entity out of Florida, but they're sponsors of the show, so I can't box them together. But that's a good question.

[Jimmy]

I mean, that would be. That's interesting. Oh, sorry.

[Host]

I do have awards on the wall. I mean, I need an office to put all my awards like an old man.

[Jimmy]

Well, I mean, dude, like, I. I got. I got awards, but I mean.

[Host]

Cheese spread says I've been.

[Jimmy]

You know how much I don't care about words.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Again.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

Okay, I'm back.

[Host]

I like, honestly, Awards.

[Jimmy]

I can see it.

[Host]

Go ahead. You did that. I think you break up on a cycle. I think you do like six minutes, and then at the exact same time, it does it and it buffers. And then you have six minutes of no breakup.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I don't know what's. I don't know what to do about that. Like, I. I literally. It got it. Makes me. It makes me pissed off. It's like one.

[Host]

You know, I noticed about awards was I. I do it. I. I don't neglect them for my family's sake. I remember the last award that I was given. It was an award ceremony, and it was for something that, like, wasn't really I was part of, and I was kind of like, this is kind of my job. Like, it. It felt like more of the agency trying to say, hey, we award our officers for bringing somebody into custody without really hurting him. It was a suicidal dude, took 20 cops in there with a drone and a shield, and he complied, and he was bloody, and we took him into custody and got him the help he needed. Right. That looks good. That's good press. That's great press for an agency. So they gave us all awards for that. And I was like, I. I do this call all the time. I don't. I don't really see the point of it. But Heather was like, I would really like the kids to be there for this one and to see their dad getting an award. I think it just looks good. Especially. I was on my way out. We had already planned that I was leaving soon, and this might be the only time that the kids get to see me in uniform getting an award. So we. That's what we. Yeah, that's why I did it. But I'm the same way as you, dude. I don't. I don't really like. And I have some. I have awards on the wall. Just. I literally make my kids walk past them every day. I. That's the only reason why they're there. I don't want. I don't want praise. I want, like, this is the standard. You know, you might. You might have a goofy dad that has tattoos and plays football in the backyard with you. But it was a long. And he has a podcast, but it was a long road to get there. And you can kind of see my life walking up the stairs from the start at 19 years old in the. In the military up until I graduated college. And then the. The police. So I make those little. Walk by it.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. And I mean, like, I mean, I, you know, I had my helmet in there with. That was dinged up. I got me my dad and my grandpa's helmet. That's. That's cool.

[Host]

That is cool. That's actually the helmet your. Your family wore.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. So the. The one. The. The. The K pot. The. The. The one underneath mine. That was my dad's helmet when he became a jump master and one that he wore In Bosnia, Haiti and Kosovo and all those other places before we, you know, changed over to the Mitch. And then my, the one underneath that is my grandfather's flight helmet when he was a Navy fighter pilot, you know, and then, you know, that's, that's the thing. So, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, hey, dude, you know, like understand this is the standard. It is the standard. And yeah, you know, you can, I can absolutely sit here and go, we're fighting for the military industrial complex and all this other stuff. But at the same time it's like we do also join the military and we do warrior too.

[Host]

Yeah. And I, and man, I was not good at getting it out. When we were talking to Elizabeth Lane, I just couldn't like, I still can't find the words is like you're never going to be able to tell. A generation of 20 year old kids maybe like it. You don't realize the, the cons of joining a war machine until you're much older. No 20 year old kid is gonna go, I'm not joining the military because of this. That. And actually make sense of it. Like they're not going to be able to tell you like, oh, this is a privatized military industrial complex where all politicians get rich and we don't need to be there for this. Kids just want to go to war because they see the movies, they see their family lineage. Like you, like, can you imagine the how you would feel right now at your age had never done doing the military? You'd be on a totally different trajectory. Mean you wouldn't know each other. You might be sitting at H R block in a cubicle.

[Jimmy]

Nope.

[Host]

You might be happy, who knows? But you would always look back and go, I was the guy in my, I broke the family lineage line of not serving my country. And I don't really think J, I don't think you would ever recover from that.

[Jimmy]

No, I don't. I, I don't. The, the thing about it is I'm buffering again. There we go. Okay. I'm back with my family specifically being the guy that broke that during the war. I, my, my family, they could say what they want, but they wouldn't have been cool with that. They would not really with that. Like, oh, you didn't go to the war? I, I don't think so. I really don't. I think my dad might say something different, but like if the war, if, if I had not been in. Okay, if I had not been in like so like say I'm 19 years old, you know, September 11th happens and I am not in the army already and the war is going by and my father is in the army and I am around at Home Depot. I think my family would have been like, get your ass. Go fight the war. What's wrong with you? We got attacked. What's wrong with you? And I mean, of course I wanted to do it. Like, nobody made me. I wanted to do it since I was little. You know what I mean? It was all I ever wanted to do. I mean, it. The hardest part about getting out was going, what the am I doing now? And who.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

Does that make sense or did I get.

[Host]

Yeah, no, it does, it makes sense. I just. I don't know, dude. It's. I never really. I had no ambitions of doing any of this. When I was a kid, I, I was in a band. It's. I think around 18 or 19, I kind of knew. No, I think around 17 or 18, I kind of knew I was going to be a cop. But I never really accepted it. I never talked about it. I told very few people, like, maybe I'll be a police officer like my dad. But like, I was always striving to make the band work for like four years of my life. I was gonna be in a heavy metal rock band forever. And then I turned 19 and I was like, this sucks, dude. Like, there's no money. There's no money. And being an artist, an actor, an artiste, some kind of like something like that in a band, like, there's just no money in it. And so I was like, okay, well, I want to be a police officer, but I couldn't join. In the state of Virginia, you couldn't be a cop until you're 21.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Well, go ahead.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, dude, I, I don't know what you. We would do. I don't know that anything else would have really fit our, our mindset, you know what I mean? Like, that, like we had that. We already had the personality that was sort of bent towards that, so there was just no way that it was going to be anything else.

[Host]

I just think there's kids that play army and you're never gonna take that out of them, dude. Like, kids that run around with guns, they might change. Like, obviously my 13 year old was that kid. Costumes every day. Policeman, army man, guns. And then they get older and they get into sports and they get, you know, and I think that stays inside them. And then when they turn into a young adult, it comes back out and My son right now couldn't tell you if he gave a million dollars what he wants to do when he's older. Because I had to have the hard conversation with him. I had the same things. He wants to, he wants to be a pro football player, right? That was last year. He was 12. And I was like, h. As a dad, man, like, how do you have that? All jokes aside, you're white, okay? But that being said, you're, you're not at like, that's just, it's a one in a million shot. And I can tell you right now, I know you, you're, you're, you're not, you don't love football that much. Those people wake up and they go to sleep thinking football training all day. But I was the same way when I was like, I knew I wanted to do something different, but I didn't know I didn't want to be in a cubicle much like you probably. I knew I didn't want a regular, normal life. And I think once kids accept that or young men accept that, like, listen, dude, you can go have a job, right? And is if, if meeting the perfect woman and having the perfect marriage and having the children under the house and raises and moving up and you work for. But you're, but you, your job is boring. There's nothing humble or there's not humble. There's nothing like prideful about your job, but the fact that you take care of your family and your wife makes you proud. Like those videos, I get so jealous sometimes. Like the dudes that come home, home from like a 12 hour day of blue collar work and they have the kids running up to them and they're like, this is, this is the, the, this is the fantasy I always wanted. And I'm like, man, I look back, but when you, those guys sometimes look at, like they watch cops or they watch military movies, like, man, should I have done something like that? And it's a trade off if, you know, young, I'm not going to be a regular dude. Like, I need to do something where I take pride in the job. I need to be a first responder, I need to be military. But at the end of the day around this time in our age, we all meet up in our political view and what we, you know, and so we got blue collar guys that watch this show that are the dudes that I just talked about who go to work every day and they take pride in their labor and the fact that they're able to provide for their families and their wives don't work. And they're, you know, and. And you got the guys that we were. And like I said, we just all meet after that journey. We just gotta pick. You gotta pick one route. I don't know if I'm making sense right now. No, you're.

[Jimmy]

You're making. You're making perfect sense. I mean, like, who the. Like, I. I've done blue collar work. I've done, you know, working in the trades. I liked that. I've done sitting up behind a desk, and I've done carrying a gun. And I've also been on the podcast. I'm like, good God, I've lived so many lives now, it's sort of crazy. And when I look at everything, I go, okay. Every one of them had its pros and cons. I mean, I loved. I. I didn't think I got into, like, the trades just because it was something to do. It was. It was a job. Like, I need. I got a job and I didn't. Oh, there it goes. Okay, I'm back. I was not prepared.

[Host]

Every time.

[Jimmy]

I really enjoyed.

[Host]

Every time you notice it, it's done. So you're like, oh, we're doing it. It's already done it. So. But keep going. You can. You can get. Okay, it's just a little choppy for like 10 seconds.

[Jimmy]

When. When I got into the trades, I. I was just like, okay, this is something I can do, and then I'll find, you know, get something else. I was not prepared by. For how much I enjoyed it, how much I really liked the guys that I worked with, how fulfilling it was, especially as I started to get good at it, you know, and to go from holy, you know, I'm. I know I'm nobody and I know nothing to holy. I. I can. I'm teaching other people how to do this now because there was no trade school for what I was learning. You just had to do ojt. And I. I miss that job. I really do. But at the same time, like, if you ask me, like, what was my. What would I go back to? In a heartbeat, I go back to being a grunt, man. I go back to being a grunt.

[Host]

War, though, bro, There ain't no war.

[Jimmy]

That's. That's the problem is, like, it. It would have. And that's what I keep telling myself. I have to tell myself this all the time. Like, hey, you can't go back to the old platoon. The old platoon's gone. It's never going to be the way it was. Even if you could go back into the army tomorrow. It will not be the same guys. It will not be the same unit. It will not be the same army. You are. I'm, I'm literally a throwback from a bygone era, you know, like. Yeah, I'm, I'm not, I'm not the guy anymore. I'm not the, I'm not the. I wasn't the droid that they were looking for towards the end anyway.

[Host]

Well, the way I look at it is if you can have.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Don't make it your identity. Right. Yeah. Know that you're never going to be the best at it. I get a lot of inspiration from Pat McAfee. Yeah. You know, he, he is the probably what, the number one sportscaster out there. Success. He was a kicker for what, seven years?

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

And, you know, I, I've seen you don't have to be the best at the job to be able to move on in life and have success. You just need that, you need that portion now. He would have no credibility if he wasn't in the NFL, but be in there.

[Jimmy]

He was in. I mean, he was the best punter in the NFL when he was playing. Oh, yeah, he was the best. Not only was he the best, he was on a team that was very successful for quite a while. And he, I mean, he was known as the hardest hitting punter in the NFL. He has a lot of tackles, which you can either look at as a good thing or a bad thing. But he, he's absolutely got a highlight reel of tackles. He's one of the only punters that does okay.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy]

So, I mean, McAfee took what he had. And the thing though is that like, he was like, you know, when he was retiring, people were saying, like, hey, you know, if you want to get into the, the media business, you can go to this, you know, go to this course and go to this thing and any. And people will go there and if they want to pick you up, then, you know, they'll, they'll talk to you. Nobody wanted him.

[Host]

Nobody.

[Jimmy]

He went to this thing and none of the media companies wanted him. He was like, you, I'll do it myself. Right. And so he started out. I mean, I started watching him when he had 75, 000 followers.

[Host]

Really?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

And.

[Jimmy]

And ironically, it was my buddy that I was working with at, at the Low Voltage company who was from Indiana. And he was. And he would put it on in the van as we were going from one place to another. I'm like, this guy's Pretty funny. I like him and you know, cool stories and just funny stuff and he was really entertaining. And so eventually, you know, he got, he got huge and now it's not what it used to be. But man, he's, I mean, like, they, he literally, when they, when they first got their first big break, he literally brought a big old bag of money in a big blue like gym bag to all of his boys. It was like, here you go.

[Host]

That's what's up, man. And I'm looking at that stuff now. Like these people, like Aquapong says I'm having to tell my kid that he's reached the ceiling as a hockey player and that he's got to find the drive internally to put in the work outside of practice or. Except he's going to get pushed out. Dude, I, I didn't like, that's the whole point of the show. I didn't know. I didn't know that anybody I could talk to is going through the same thing. Dude, me and Heather have to have talks with the middle kid about, dude, we're not trying to kill your goals. We're really not. But I know, like, you're not working as hard. We need to be realistic. Because if I tell you, oh yeah, go chase your dream son and just let you do that and you fail. Where was your father at? Your father needs to be the one telling you that. No, the things that no one will tell you because they care. Yeah, yeah. You're not going to be a pro football player, bro. I mean, and that's not a slot you. Dude, it's not like when I talk to my son, I'm like, that's not me saying that you're not good enough. I'm like, look at the, the odds. That's like saying dad's gonna go to the grocery store and win the million dollar lottery ticket. So don't worry, I'm not gonna work. I'm just gonna focus on lottery. Sure. Is it a pipe? Like Mike. Mike's pipe dream is a hit. The. The mega million. But that doesn't mean he doesn't go to work. And so. Right. You know, I think having. Having other dudes, you know, in this, in this community that we built is like other dudes are going through. And I just really quick, June, before you say something, somebody was it Aquapunk, I think said, I've done firefighting, police and now boring desk job. For a while I wanted to job to mean something. But after a while, the drawbacks weren't worth the good parts. And we all go through that too, dude. For you, 10 years in the military, you're like, dude, it's not, it's not worth staying in, dude. It's just not. I weighed my options, and, you know, same thing with me with Copper, dude. I just, I couldn't take it anymore and I didn't want to do it. And so I. Dude's right there. Same stories we have.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

I mean, and that's, that's, that's the hard part, man, is that you look at this stuff and you just go, like, I love this, but I don't love all of this. And, you know, you eventually, it's. It's almost like falling out of love with somebody. You're just like, I can't do this anymore. I can't. And especially when you still have. You know, I loved that job, but I couldn't do it anymore just because of what it was doing to me. And then, you know, by the same token, you know, I look at, like, you know, I, I, you know, I'm going to use my little brother as an example. You know, my little brother worked his ass off to be a good football player. He was worked out all the time. He did everything he possibly could to be a good football player. And he was really, really. He's a football guy. But, I mean, at some point, it's like, dude, you're not going to go play in the NFL. Yeah, you're. It doesn't. You have gone as far as you can go. You've given up a hundred and ten percent. This is where you've maxed out at, which is, you know, NAIA football. Okay? And there's nothing wrong with that. There's people that don't make it that far. Okay. But that's where you're gonna go, you know? And then that's a very different conversation than somebody who's like, oh, yeah, I want to play professional football. It's like, dude, you don't even hustle in practice. Like, you know, you're not doing any of the things you need to do. You tell me you want to be a football player, you gotta love it.

[Host]

And you. It's like anything, though. It's like anything that you want to aspire to do, make it a success or a dream or something. Like, you don't. To have a regular job. You don't have to love it. You just gotta. You gotta love the idea of stability in a family and love the idea that what that job's gonna bring you in your life. Right. If you're gonna do a. A passion as your money maker. I remember one time, one of the reasons why is I was senior in high school, I was taking me music theory. Music theory too. And my music teacher, awesome dude, Mr. Tucker, he said we were talking about playing in bands and he's older man, he was 50 some at the time. He's probably. I don't even know if he's alive anymore. But he said he goes, listen gents, all you guys that want to be in a rock band, he's like, what I tell people is you've gotta love that guitar. That guitar has got to be the same as your left and your right arm. Arm. You sleep with that guitar. That guitar is on your mind all day long. In your hands all day long. If that is not the case, you are not going to be a successful guitar player. Dude. Rocked my world, dude. It's like I don't like guitar that much. I really don't. And so that's the kind of conversations I'm having to try and have with my kids is that, you know, you don't love football that much and you need to love it as much as I'm telling you, you need to love it in order to have a shot at it.

[Jimmy]

Like a shot, just, just a shot. I mean. But you know, here's the other thing too. I mean, and this kind of goes to the other part of the conversation we had earlier was is that people that carry a gun for a living, you should really be practicing that much. You know, it should be very much an extension of yourself. And you need to love the training part of it because it, you know, like you're. Because the stakes are really high in what you're doing, you know, which is sort of the inverse. It's like, hey, this really cool thing that I would really want to do, I have to work super hard at it. This really dangerous thing that is what I actually do. I gotta work super hard at it. So, you know, you gotta work super if you want to be anything in life. You just gotta work hard.

[Host]

I mean, yeah, like you, I mean when you want something too and there's no guarantee. No, that's the thing. And I've always said this. I think success is a mixture of a couple things. It's. It. Success is hard work mixed with actual God given talent and opportunity, right? Those three things really have to kind of two out of three, maybe you get close, but to really be successful, it's. You have to have the work ethic. You have to have that God given Talent and you have to have the opportunity. If you don't have those three things, it's very hard. You could have two, but if you never have the open the, the, the window, you're never going to get seen. You could have the window, but you can't perform to get through the window. And so, you know, I, it's like anything, dude. I, it took me three tryouts to get on swat, dude. Three. I failed twice. Oh. I was a no select the first time at one agency and then I failed tryouts at my second agency. And this at the second attempt at my second agency is when I got on the team. And it's like, you know, the military really can't fail anything. I never tried anything in the military that I would fail at. Big, like, you know, I didn't really do anything crazy. I was too young. I didn't want to go SF or anything, anything like that.

[Jimmy]

But I, I was a 24 day non selected at SFAS. That sucked.

[Host]

Non selects gotta suck, bro. I don't even, I don't know what's worth not being picked or failing.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I mean, so I, I got, my PT was good and I, and my peers were good. I what I up the D lab. I knew I up the D lab when I was taking it. I knew I had it up. And you know, so when I got in there, they, they gave you your exit brief. They tell you come back in six months. This is what you suck at. This is what you can do to work on it. And it really sucked because they, we. I got done with everything. You get done with the track at the end. Like Land Nav kills most people at SFAs.

[Host]

For anybody listening or watching. SFAs is a selection process for Special Forces, right?

[Jimmy]

So SFA, I mean, like, look, there's good dudes that don't make it through. I was just, I wasn't gonna make it because I sucked at Foreign Language. And I think, I think I probably would have, they probably would have taken my as like my, my scores from Foreign Language if my, if I had been like a PT stud and a rock star on everything else, right? But I was, I was. How do I put this? It wasn't like mediocre, but I was, I was a little above average, right? A little above average in pt. I was a little above average at, you know, the star course. I was a little above average in all the other things I had to do. But I was not like a, like, holy, this guy's lighting the world on fire. Right?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

And the the thing that I kept telling myself the whole time was, I'm not going to quit. I won't quit. They'll have to kick me out. And I may not be the fastest, but it doesn't matter. I mean, like, dude, we, we. You would stand up there, they'd get up on this podium and they'd be like. And they had just done log and rifle pt and so your legs are smoked, your arms are smoked, Everything hurts. You're. You're like, man. And they're like. And they're standing up there with a book that says 12 mile road march standards.

[Mike]

Right?

[Jimmy]

Right. And I mean, this is one of the mind, right? It was like, they never told you how far you had to go, but this time we could see it. And that's how I was like, this is a mind game. I don't know how far we're going, but I don't think it's 12 miles.

[Host]

So you were thinking maybe it was going to be less than 12 or more than 12.

[Jimmy]

I. I think it was. I thought it was a game. I didn't think we were going to go that far. And so they said, okay, your mission is conduct a tactical foot movement. Don't make any significant left or right hand turns without a cone or cadre member directing you. The starting line is over there. Have a good. So you go stand over there and you wait. And they say, go. And I'm going. And I'm in this big group of people. I mean, there was probably 150, 200 of us. And I'm watching guys peel out and just quit. Just quit.

[Host]

Really? Guys are quitting?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, I mean, like right there. Like, just turn it around and quit. Because they didn't want to go 12 miles after logging right from PT and I was just like, I put my head down, I said, I don't know how far we're actually gonna go, but I'm gonna go as far until my legs fall off. And I swear to God, dude, we moved 500 meters and that was the end of the tax foot movement. And then we did compass stuff. All those guys quit for nothing.

[Host]

Oh, man. Dude, I. That's a. Oh, I remember that. Dude, I. But it's. It. There's different mind games. There's like that mind game and then there's the one where, like, let's say you're running. You do the same run every day.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Host]

And like, let's say a water tower. You're like, okay, once we pass this water tower, we're gonna make a right we're gonna be done. Yeah. And you're. And you built. It's all in your head because you built. You've told yourself, I'm good to this water tower as soon as you pass. And now you don't know when you're in the unknown.

[Jimmy]

Yep.

[Host]

That's when everything starts going to. Your brain starts affecting. I'm hurt. I can't. I can't make it. And. And you. The unknown is when guys quit.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Which is different than your story because they. They didn't. They had a 12 miles in their head, and they were like, I can't do this. And if they. Man, that's crazy, dude.

[Jimmy]

And that's. That. Dude, we. I swear, I. I swear to God. Like, I remember watching people in front of me just like, everybody passed the starting line, and I remember watching people just turn around and peel off. You're wearing a rock. I mean, you're like.

[Host]

You're.

[Jimmy]

You're moving out. And I was like, I don't know how far we're going, but I'm just gonna go. And then that. That was. Dude, it was. I mean. And we did do. So when you do the track, the trek is 30 miles. Yeah, 30 miles. And it. You. You have. It's. They starts at night, you end during the day, and you've got how much your ruck is supposed to weigh. Right.

[Host]

How long did it take to do that? I've never rucked more than 12.

[Jimmy]

Seven hours. Seven hours.

[Host]

Yeah. 12 miles has got to be done in three. So I remember they did some makeshift EIB or it was. It was some weird competition competition that they were doing interdivision, and they were using EIB standards for this competition. And it was really unorganized. We had no. They were just like, hey, the platoon's gonna go do this. And we're like, what? We had like, three days notice. Like, so we go out on the land nav course we do land navigation. And they're like, we're out until 4 in the morning because it's conventional stuff. So, no, we can't leave until. It's not like, you're done. Go home and come back for the 12 miler. We all had to stay out there for hours and wait. They brought us back to the company. We slept in the locker room for an hour and a half. And then they were like, all right, we're going on the 12 mile road march. And we're like, dude, what the. Like, this is supposed to be a Thursday at work. It. We're not. No one was in the mindset to go out here and crush it for eib. And so we go out in the. We start this 12 mile road march. I'm like, dude, no sleep. Legs were smoked because we just did land nav eight hours prior. Or not even eight hours, five hours. We were out there doing land nav for hours walking miles. And I'm like, shouldn't we have some. If we're going to be scored on this, shouldn't we have like at least eight hours of rest in between iterations of. You know. And dude, guys were just like this, dude, they were quitting. And I, I did the whole thing, but I didn't do it in EIB. I did it in like through 3 hours and 40 minutes, I think.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

And I was like, I felt kind of bad about it. And they were like, you're one of the only people left. Everybody quit. I'm like, we had the option to quit. I had never been hungry. I hate peanut butter crackers, dude. When I got to the halfway point, I was like, give me some food, dude. I, I like my body was shutting down and I had a cracker. And I just felt like because you had the calories and the energy. And I remember thinking like, I didn't know quitting was an option because I would have quit this because it was badly managed, it was poorly done. It would. They did not care about our health or well being at all. And it, they were just, it was a bunch of admin or brass trying to look good during this whole thing. And yeah, I remember being pissed because I would have quit. I didn't know we could quit. It was me and my buddy Joe. Joe Man Jovi. Dude, we, we just kept going. Our platoon and company just started and we're like, looking back, we're like, we're either really, really doing really good or we're doing really bad. Like, we, we're. So they quit, packed up and they left. And we don't know where the ending point is. But yeah, we, we didn't make eib, but we were, we had an hour's sleep. Not even sleep in a locker room in the same BDUs. And hours prior, we were walking miles in land now. So I was like, this is stupid, dude.

[Jimmy]

So like that, that. So when you do the, when you go to SFAs, right, you do the star course, right? Which is all night land navigation and it's, it sucks. It sucks. And you're moving, you know, 1620 clicks a night and you do that for four days and then you go into team week. You do team week, and then once that's done, then you do the track, which is 30. It's 30 clicks, right? It's 30 kilometer road march. You need to have it done in about between seven and eight hours. And like, I. I mean, I got it. I came in under the wire. I was like, you know, my God, I was smoked. And I can't imagine just, you know, ever being in a position where I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna quit now. You know, like, unless it was, like, even something like that there, where it was, like, forced on you. It was like, okay, well, maybe this. I don't care that much. But I mean, like, gut check with each other. Like, let's just, you know, we got nothing to prove to these officers.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Host]

I mean, I don't know. Quitting, like, you saying, dude, quitting was. Quitting is just. If I wanted. Dude, I'm. I. We. We might be retarded, Jimmy. That might.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

Sheer will and drive. It might be mental retardation. That just doesn't tell us to quit. When everything is telling you to quit. When the odds are stacked against you, when people. When people are in your DMS and comments saying, you guys losers, quit, quit. It's almost like the devil himself is sitting there going, you don't have it in you. Quit, quit. And you're like, against all odds, blind, can't see, don't know what you're doing. You got your buddy's hand in this hand. Your buddy's hand in this hand, and you're just ripping through it, dude. And yeah, people might think we're.

[Jimmy]

But I. I mean, maybe. Maybe we are. But I mean, like. I mean, like, there's plenty of people that were. I mean, McAfee was told to quit for a while.

[Host]

Yeah. You need to be up there on the wall with people. Saint McAfee, Saint Jerry.

[Jimmy]

Yeah, dude. I mean, McAfee. I mean, McAfee more than anybody else in my. In this, like, online space, like, epitomized, like, growing it from nothing. Nobody was helping him. Nobody. Nobody was like, who cares what a up a punter? You know? Like, who cares? The only people that really knew who he was were people from Indianapolis. And that's it. Nobody cared. And he. He made it work.

[Host]

James Del Cruz says, tyler, Jimmy. Remember those days when we would do company runs and they would run past the barracks to make you think we were done? But then they kept running.

[Jimmy]

They didn't do. They didn't have to, do they. So in. In Hawaii, you have Koly Koli, right. You have the Kolikoli Pass. So you'll run up to the top of Koli Koli and back down. And like, normally, like, it was all about like, when are we gonna turn around? Are we gonna go all the way to the top? And then you'd go all the way to the top. And people don't know this, but, like, it's actually harder to run downhill when your legs are all rubbery than it is to go.

[Host]

You don't have any control.

[Jimmy]

You're just like.

[Host]

You got to use more restraint in your muscles to stop from toppling over.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jimmy]

And so you're like running downhill and you're just like. I mean like, people are wiping out, Like, it. It, dude. Yeah. You know, like, you may end up going off the cliff, dude. There's a cliff right over there. There's some trees and that's it. You're gone, dude. So it's like, okay, here we go. And you get to the back and they're like, is there going to be trucks there? Are we going to have to march all the way back to the barracks?

[Host]

Yeah. It's always in your head, dude. Aquaponk says, jimmy, you still accomplished something so few people have done. And that is a fact, bro. I never went to SFAs. Tons of people that serve had the opportunity and they chose not to. And you, you. That. That's actually a really good point. Pride Assassin says that's my problem. I'm too quit. That's a shirt right there. Too quit. Says one foot in front of the other. Absolutely. Colt says, Jesus didn't quit carrying the 300 pound cross after being beat. I ain't quitting. I love that, dude. Heather says most people would have quit with the I've seen or been through, but Jesus didn't die for us, just for us to quit. Love it, man. You guys are on point right now. I feel like we all. I feel like we all got to know each other a little bit in this episode.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. You know, I mean, well, it's, it's, you know, it's Casual Friday, you know, sort of what happens, you know, I. I loved, I loved every opportunity I got. And sometimes it's really wild to look back and when you like, tell the story and you're like, oh, I guess I did do that.

[Host]

Yeah. No, dude, it's crazy. I mean, you get. So we live in a our. The humbleness in us does not allow us to think that we are better than anybody else. We come from a place in A. In an environment and cultures where nobody wants to hear you tell your cool stories. And we also are in a culture now where we actually tell people. Stop telling people your cool stories. Right? If people want to ask, they'll ask. But. And I think that we're just, we're. We're humble dudes and we're one of the guys. And every time I have a cool story, somebody else has got an even cooler story. And I don't. I fell short in categories that a lot of our people in our. Like in the 99, no one is the best at everything. And I feel like, you know, when you feel that way, there's a podcast for that too.

[Jimmy]

Well, you know, I mean, and here's the thing is that like, even when, when you, when you tell that story, you're like, hey, man, like, oh. So it's like, oh, you're a 24 day non select. Who cares? You sucked. You know, you did. You weren't good enough for Special Forces. That's what you, that's what you basically just told me. And it's like, yeah, okay, I wasn't. But you know, still, when you, when you look at that in comparison to. Because we judge ourselves against the people that were our peers, right? We, we, we don't look at, at the civilians, we look at other military and you know, law enforcement professionals. That's how we judge ourselves. So. But when the average person hears this stuff, they're like, dude, that, that sounds pretty gnarly, bro. And it's like, yes, you know, it's okay because you're always kind of judging yourself, going like, I'm not that guy.

[Host]

Yeah, I. And I mean, dude, here's the one thing I will say. You've got to shoot for the moon. And at one. One day you will go and you will hit your first failure and you got to keep going because it sharpens that, that person, that who. That's who you are. And you become the person you are because of your successes and, and of your failures. If you never shoot for the moon, and I'm talking anything you want to be the best in your H Vac class, to get the best job, to get with the best company, right? All these things, like, it applies to everybody. But, you know, it's. I wouldn't be where I'm at right now had I not tried to do the things that I was successful at and tried to do the things that I failed at. And you know, we wouldn't have this. 99.

[Jimmy]

I mean, dude, there's, there's plenty of people out there, myself included, that are like, I'm not going to start a podcast. The odds of it being successful are next to nothing. I'm not going to waste my time. Right? You just went, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. And I'm sure there were plenty of people out there, but I think that because of your, your defiance, you were just like, oh, you're telling me I can't do it? That just makes me want to do it more. You.

[Host]

Yeah, I did. I mean, like, I, I never. I don't know, I just didn't. I, I. When I do something, I don't do it with a. There's a chance that I might fail at it. I'm just not going to do that thing.

[Jimmy]

Right.

[Host]

I don't really have any hobbies. You know, I, I think like any man in our community that we built, any of us, we're gonna go, I'm gonna be the best husband and the best father and the best at my job and the best friend. And that's really, you know, I think, like, working out is probably, like, my only hobby. I don't really take that very. I'm trying to take it more seriously, but, you know, I don't think I'm a failure if I don't go into the gym for two and a half hours and don't get seven meals in a day. Like I. And. But the people that are huge, that's their mindset. They, they don't go work out for a hobby. They bodybuild because it's their passion. It's what they. There's no failure. There's no missing a meal. There's no missing a gym workout like that. And that. I can see that because that's not really where I want. I don't really care that much about that, but I care about other things. People do a podcast, like you said, they just, they love doing it, man. They love connecting with people. They love talking. They love just. It's a passion hobby for them. But being the number one broadcast in our, for our community is not what they care about. And they'll tell you that.

[Jimmy]

Well, and, and being, I mean, that's the other thing too, is that like, this stuff's just. It goes, Goes so much further once you start opening your eyes and you start really, really embracing the whole mindset behind it. And then you feel like this, like, it's not just something I like to do, it's also something I have to do. I Need to do this. I need to do this. Important. Important what I'm doing. And I'm not saying that because, like, oh, yeah, we're super important as. That's not it. It's more of, like, I hear the people telling me how much this is helping them. I hear the people saying how cool it is to have this community. I hear that. And it's like, okay, well, we gotta do that. We gotta do that.

[Host]

Jay says people will tell you that you can't do it when you are grinding. Then they will tell you, you. They always believed in you when you make it. I love that. That is true. So true, man. And always remember the people that were. That were there for you, you know, going through it, and they're not the people that tell you, good job, because they're there with you the whole time. So never forget that. James says, Prestige Worldwide Wide. Why? I don't really know what that has to do this conversation, but I know exactly what he's talking about. That's from Step Brothers, by the way. That's the.

[Jimmy]

Oh, yeah.

[Host]

Prestige Worldwide Wide.

[Jimmy]

Yeah. I mean. I mean, like, even, like, you know, all of the. Even with, like, the Discord and everything else, like, there's so many people. There's so many. There's so many things to talk about. There's so many. So much going on. And, you know, now. Now that I'm gonna have a little bit of more time, I can really work on the Discord a little bit more because I won't have to drive as much, which is going to be great. And should be getting into the apartment here very soon, so.

[Host]

Hell, yeah, bro.

[Jimmy]

Yeah.

[Host]

That'Ll be. That'll be fun stress. Moving is always a fun stress. It's a new place, new beginnings, new start. I'm.

[Jimmy]

I'm ready to just, you know, get it all in there, get it squared away. Let's go. Let's go.

[Host]

You're gonna build yourself a little studio?

[Jimmy]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I'll have. Like, I'll get everything out of there. And it's. It's, you know, it's gonna be a. It's gonna be a fight, but we'll. We'll knock it out. We'll get it done. So, you know, hopefully we can. We can start doing that, like, as soon as I get off of here, I'm gonna, like, okay, what's the deal? What. What's the status? Like, where are we going? You know, what's our plan? So. Because it's. It's 50 me going, like, okay, this is where we need to go. And then making some decisions. And then it's like, okay, we're done. We're ready. I was like, cool, let's go. Yeah.

[Host]

All right, guys. Okay. Oh, we got James Dela Cruz became a YouTube member.

[Jimmy]

Hell, yeah, dude. Thanks, brother.

[Host]

Man.

[Jimmy]

I. I really want to not be sick anymore. That is really fun. You're like a commercial from Eucinex.

[Host]

When you freeze too. You also sound like the guy from Tropic Hunter. That's.

[Mike]

Simple Jack.

[Host]

Simple Jack. Thank you, Justin. We got open mic at three. Also, Justin, I will be about five minutes late to that, and I'm so sorry. Start without me. But I will be here. Everything will be set up. I'm gonna fly at the door. I have a doctor's appointment that at. That's gonna probably go to actually, like 255, but it's right down the road. I'm gonna drive in my car, and I'm gonna run in here and sit down and jump in. Sorry.

[Jimmy]

Sounds like a plan. Sounds like a plan.

[Host]

All right, you guys be safe out there. Have a good weekend. If something pops off, you might see an emergency broadcast. Might not. What the are we doing for the Super Bowl? We're at least doing a halftime show. We gotta start promoting that. If Jimmy survives the weekend.

[Jimmy]

Yes, we'll do that. We'll. We're doing the halftime show.

[Host]

All right, guys, we will see you Sunday then for the super bowl anti hero halftime show. Love y'.

[Jimmy]

All.

[Host]

Stay safe. God bless. Ray team for life.