Conduct Unbecoming

Summary

The Antihero Podcast: "Conduct Unbecoming" – Detailed Summary

Episode Information

• Title: Conduct Unbecoming
• Host/Author: The Antihero Podcast
• Release Date: January 27, 2025
• Description: Part Delta Force. Part Street Cop. All Truth.

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Introduction to Podcasting and Operational Challenges

The episode begins with a candid discussion among the hosts—Tyler, Brent, and Reagan—about the nuances of running a podcast. They delve into the frustrations of dealing with administrative red tape that often hinders straightforward actions in both podcasting and first responder operations.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler [00:00]: “Everybody knows it's common sense. But when you put so much red tape...”
• Reagan [00:21]: “The Delta Force isn't coming to rescue my family... it is first responders that are going to my family.”

Impact of Administrative Overreach on First Responders

The conversation transitions to how excessive administrative processes undermine the morale and efficacy of police officers and firefighters. Reagan emphasizes the critical role first responders play over specialized units like the Delta Force, highlighting the immediate and personal impact they have on communities.

Notable Quote:

• Brent [00:33]: “They want people to not want to be cops. And the people that do want to be cops are now walking into the job, scared to do the job.”

Personal Journeys: From Military to Firefighting

Tyler shares his personal journey from contemplating college to joining the Marine Corps, influenced by his family's military background. This segment underscores the importance of discipline and clear career paths, contrasting it with the often ambiguous and debt-ridden path of higher education.

Notable Quote:

• Tyler [13:30]: “I didn't know what I wanted to do. I just joined the military and then figured it out later.”

Educational Critique: The Flaws of Traditional College Paths

The hosts critique the traditional college system, arguing that it’s an outdated and inefficient method for young men and women to find their career paths. They advocate for alternative routes like community colleges or direct entry into military or first responder roles to gain practical skills without incurring unmanageable debt.

Notable Quote:

• Reagan [19:26]: “College is a bad place to figure out life... It can no longer be our default answer to young men and women.”

Case Study: Danny Dwyer and the Consequences of Freelancing

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the case of Danny Dwyer, a firefighter whose decision to deviate from standard operating procedures (referred to as "freelancing") led to his termination despite successful rescue efforts. The hosts debate the balance between adhering to protocols and the necessity of adaptability in high-stakes situations.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler [37:05]: “He was just faster. And the time is of the essence. If someone's known, there's a known victim.”
• Reagan [36:53]: “I think there's a lot of parallels to that.”

The Role of Technology: Introducing Apollo for Resource Management

Brent introduces “Apollo,” an app designed to enhance resource management for first responders by providing a real-time common operating picture. This technology aims to streamline communication and reduce dependency on radio chatter, thereby increasing operational efficiency during emergencies.

Notable Quotes:

• Brent [16:14]: “Apollo is the best way to manage resources during these events because it's designed by first responders for first responders.”
• Reagan [16:22]: “It gives first responders a common operating picture which allows them to see where everybody is in real time.”

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) in Fire Departments

A substantial discussion revolves around the implementation of DEI initiatives within fire departments, particularly in Los Angeles. The hosts criticize the allocation of funds towards DEI bureaus at the expense of essential operational needs like apparatus maintenance. They argue that enforcing diversity quotas compromises the effectiveness and readiness of first responder teams.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler [69:45]: “They call it affirmative action... it makes you just want the best person for the job.”
• Reagan [75:24]: “If you hold a standard, people, if they want to have the job, they will meet the standard.”

Funding and Resource Allocation Issues

The hosts highlight mismanagement and misallocation of funds within fire departments, pointing out that significant budgets meant for DEI are instead diverted to non-essential or unrelated areas. They express concern over the deteriorating state of fire apparatus due to lack of maintenance and funding, which directly impacts the ability of first responders to efficiently handle emergencies.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler [86:47]: “A hundred million dollars taken from the fire prevention budget...”
• Brent [95:48]: “You can build a lot of houses with $24 billion.”

Government Accountability and Conspiracy Theories

Towards the end of the episode, the conversation shifts to broader governmental accountability issues, with discussions on incidents like the LA wildfires and alleged mismanagement or intentional hindrance of emergency responses. The hosts entertain various conspiracy theories, questioning the true motives behind certain administrative decisions and funding reallocations.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyler [95:29]: “Our whole family lineage has done very much well...”
• Reagan [96:00]: “The LA's smart cities plan...”

Conclusion: Upholding Standards and Personal Integrity

Wrapping up, the hosts reiterate the importance of maintaining high standards within first responder communities to ensure safety and effectiveness. They emphasize that integrity and adherence to protocols are paramount, even in the face of administrative challenges and evolving societal expectations.

Notable Quotes:

• Reagan [76:23]: “It's an obtainable standard... decide to meet the standard, then they've already proven they're not here.”
• Tyler [76:37]: “It's just common sense, it seems.”

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Final Thoughts

"Conduct Unbecoming" offers a compelling critique of the current administrative and societal pressures faced by first responders. Through personal anecdotes, case studies, and robust discussions, the hosts shed light on the challenges that undermine the effectiveness and morale of those on the front lines. The episode serves as a call to action for better resource allocation, unwavering standards, and the preservation of the integrity that first responders embody.

Transcript

[Tyler]

I mean, it's just the seconds count and. But everybody knows it's common sense. Like you said, it's common sense. But when you put so much red tape, like people say that we hate admin, we hate cheese, and that's because we do. But I mean, hold on, we're not recording.

[Brent]

Do you want to buy a shirt to support military dance? People want to see their sausage get made.

[Reagan]

An appropriate level of inappropriateness. Something happens in my family tonight. The Delta Force isn't coming to rescue my, my family, my kids, like it is first responders that are, that are going to my family.

[Brent]

They want the culture to be down. They want people to not want to be cops. And the people that do want to be cops are now walking into the job, scared to do the job.

[Reagan]

I'm gonna try to act like it didn't happen, although we, we all know it did.

[Brent]

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[Brent]

JV team for life Recording. We weren't recording any of that. No, we always start with I like. No, I know, but I like the candid talk.

[Reagan]

I thought those. That's why we were talking. I know.

[Tyler]

Now it's going to get awkward, huh?

[Brent]

Poor Drew.

[Tyler]

Now I'm nervous. I'm going to put my shades on.

[Reagan]

All right, everybody, remember what you said.

[Brent]

Resay it and take two. You think we're joking, but seriously, if.

[Drew]

You'Re nervous, don't worry, we won't record.

[Reagan]

You're talking about looking at your. You know, how to design, your setup, your podcast. And we're like, me and Tyler did the same thing. We went to everyone else's podcast and we stole all their ideas and just.

[Tyler]

Kind of combined it, made it your own.

[Reagan]

That's right.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

This. I mean, to do 100% copy and paste is maybe a little, you know, un unoriginal.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

But to take like an. I like a. I like that idea. I like that lighting. I like that color scheme. I like, you know, that sign.

[Brent]

That's what every band does. They say, we take the. Our favorite pieces from other bands and we piece it together and make our band. But we're influenced from other bands.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And then, too, when you do that, at least you get started because, I mean, how many people. I mean, I bet y'all get. How many people come to you and say, I want to start a podcast and maybe talk about it and then never actually take the steps?

[Reagan]

Lots.

[Tyler]

You know, we have a whole episode over that. At least you're taking the steps, and then you'll find your own rhythm.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Brent]

You got to start somewhere. I tell everybody, you got to hit record at some point.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter how bad it is. Just go.

[Brent]

And most likely, statistically, you will quit.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You'll realize, like, I can't do this every week. You're not going to gain any momentum. You got to grind and grind and grind and grind every week.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Well, eventually, too, you'll get invited to a live show, and then you just don't say a word for two hours, and you just let it. And we were talking about that today.

[Reagan]

It was, hey, if. If you don't say anything, you can't say anything wrong.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

You know what I mean? Tell me what you said wrong.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna take that.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I got a text last night. They said, I was just glad to see you talk, bro. I said, yeah. Took me a little bit, but, oh, man, I was nervous during that. That was not. That's not up my wheelhouse at all. But it was good. It was a good time. Once you. When I feel like that, I'm like, I need to lean into that. That's when you need to.

[Brent]

We were talking about. We dropped. I was like, it's so funny. The hype Was good. The song was good. Our entrance was good. And then the song ended, and I forgot it's not a concert, so they're not like, yeah, so it was crickets. And I was like, oh, this is something we gotta work on. And I watched the unsubscribed podcast. They did a tour, and they did like a. Literally, like a couple week tour where they hit all these cities and did live podcasts. And they had a hype man, which I think one of them was like, angry cops. He went out there with no shirt and an American flag and hyped up the crowd. And then they went on, and I was like, that's how you get the.

[Tyler]

I want to see that clip. Everyone. Did everyone get on their feet, like, oh, that's cool. Because we had the. So the comedy was before. And then we had the big intro where it was the heavy metal music, and we had to play it from.

[Brent]

A Bluetooth in the back because they couldn't play an audio file, which you.

[Tyler]

Did great, by the way. I thought it all flowed really well. Like I said, I blacked out as soon as it started. I just. I forgot all of it. And. And then I sit down in the middle. I'm like, I don't like this at all. I looked over.

[Brent]

Reagan's gone.

[Tyler]

And then I go. Grabbed me. Bo, you're up, dud. Like, it's your turn. So I love. I love that dude. By the way, did you talk to him at all for.

[Brent]

I did. He wants to come on our podcast.

[Tyler]

Oh, good.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. He's out of New Hampshire.

[Tyler]

Did you talk to him? Did you get to talk to. He was sitting next to Tyler on the right, where I was supposed to be.

[Brent]

He resigned.

[Reagan]

Which firefighter design? Yeah, that resigned. Yes, I talked to him. The elevator on the way up.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Reagan]

And I knew who he was. I saw that clip before and. And comment. Cared enough to comment on it. Like, watched all seven minutes or whatever, the long clip, and I was like, I actually know exactly who you are.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well. And it's. It's funny because as soon as I met him and his family, like, they came over to the house before we recorded, got to meet his whole family, and they're. It's exactly what you picture. Like, they are, like, just good, genuine people and just care. Like, you can feel. You can tell when someone's, like, BSing you.

[Brent]

Like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Good to see you. You know, it feels like they genuinely.

[Reagan]

All of them, resigned over the right thing.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

And I know he's genuine.

[Brent]

He was chief, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah, he was the fire chief, and he. So not only that, he grew up.

[Reagan]

We'll talk about that. We'll get in the episodes, get into the intro, and we'll. In fact, let's. Let's talk about that a little bit as far as when it gets to culture and. And things like that.

[Brent]

Yeah, we're structured here.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I don't want to stay on it.

[Reagan]

I don't want people wondering who you are.

[Brent]

Yeah, that's true.

[Tyler]

I appreciate that. Oh, that's respectful.

[Reagan]

We're good.

[Brent]

Let's roll. All right, you guys ready?

[Reagan]

We're back.

[Brent]

Welcome back to the Anti Hero podcast. Part Delta Force, part Street cop, all truth. I'm Tyler, owner of Refracted Wolf Apparel. Use promo code antihero and get yourself 15% off. The best and outsider culture. Graphic tees, stickers, hats, flags, ranger panties, beanies. And we just got restocked on a bunch of stickers and team room flags. So go over to refractableapparel.com and use promo code ANTIHERO 15% off.

[Reagan]

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[Brent]

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[Reagan]

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[Brent]

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[Reagan]

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[Brent]

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[Reagan]

And as always, we do our lives every Thursday night at 8pm Eastern Standard times, 8 to 10pm Highlight of our week. Best time. If this is the only place you know us, are these recorded podcasts. You will love the the Live show. It's a really good time. And of course, our Patreon, cheapest Patreon on the market that we know of.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Three and $5 price points. And get behind the scenes, talk to us, ask questions, candid questions, talk to the community. That. That one's another really good time.

[Brent]

And win giveaways.

[Reagan]

And win giveaways.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

We give away giveaway every week. And Reagan thinks we should bump up our. Our Patreon.

[Tyler]

I think you should. I think you deserve it. You deserve it. All the work y'all been putting in all the.

[Reagan]

The problem is that people are like, oh, you guys just doing this for the. For, for money and fame. When you call out people for money and fame, it makes you really conscious about. About what you do.

[Tyler]

That's a good point.

[Reagan]

You know, it. It does makes you very conscious.

[Brent]

We're the, we're the affordable brand. We're the bag cereal, you know.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The operand. The generic bag cereal.

[Brent]

You know, when you watch the Anti Hero podcast, you're going to catch a mistake. You're going to catch a audio imperfection. You know, when you watch all these, like, Sean ryan, you know, 5, 6 million views an episode, there better not be a mistake, you know, and he's got a. I'm assuming he's got a whole team of professionals that he's got to pay, which means he's got to have an expensive Patreon.

[Reagan]

Even if not a team of professionals, he at least has one professional. All together.

[Brent]

We almost make one professional, which is.

[Tyler]

Which is one more than we got. But I would also argue in Yalls defense, as far as. Do you want to raise. It's like $10, right? If you wanted to raise it to $10, it those. The Patreons allow you to do, like, what you're doing here, like, now you got a new studio. Those steps. If people believe in y'all, that's the Patreon members they believe investing in you.

[Drew]

That's only fans money.

[Brent]

9.99.

[Tyler]

They're already used to it. So, like, what's another five bucks? What's another ten dollars?

[Reagan]

We'll bring it up on our next Anti Hero meeting. Yeah, that we don't have.

[Tyler]

Which is.

[Reagan]

Which is random text messages.

[Brent]

We all, we. We now we're all in the same building. We still don't have meetings.

[Reagan]

I know.

[Tyler]

Well, I'll. I'll launch an episode next week saying anti Heroes going bankrupt or something like that. And then I'll launch that campaign, let.

[Brent]

It go and walk away. And then David Hookstead.

[Tyler]

On His show. Does he have a show?

[Brent]

He has his own.

[Tyler]

Oh, he does.

[Reagan]

I don't think he's got a YouTube.

[Brent]

Channel, but I don't think he has a show.

[Reagan]

No, he doesn't have a show. Or talk about, like, a podcast.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Reagan]

I'm. Surprisingly enough, he doesn't. He just goes on everyone else's and promotes and Pronotes. Promotes his. His lies.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that would be because I wonder. I'm almost curious if I could make that work. If I could just start false rumors and say, anti heroes going bankrupt.

[Brent]

Tim Kennedy one.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Tim Kennedy.

[Brent]

Picture of Brent.

[Tyler]

Like, let's just put bankrupt across.

[Reagan]

What's that saying? Like, good press, bad press. Just don't spell my name wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some truth of that. There's some truth of that with us. Get into it so they know who you are. Right in the middle is Reagan Rice. Reagan Rice is a firefighter for over a decade. He was also a Marine Corps veteran, served for over six years. He's also the host of the Unbecoming podcast as well as the owner of Conduct Unbecoming Apparel line. Thank you for being with us. And you round out what we need, which is a firefighter every now and again.

[Tyler]

The gay firefighter representation.

[Reagan]

Oh, man, look at us. When's the. It's the only fire. I mean, the only firefighter. We had Big Mike. Big Mike?

[Tyler]

Who's that?

[Brent]

Oh, in the. In those early days, we actually had a bunch of pot. Our first episodes as a rebrand, we had a bunch of firefighters on. We had the two guys. Remember those two dudes that. They were on a podcast, the Wise Guys.

[Reagan]

Three Wise Men. It was two of the three of them. And.

[Brent]

Yeah, two of the three came.

[Reagan]

Yeah, three Wise Men. So, like. That's right. I remember that.

[Brent]

And then we had Josh from First dude tattoos. He was one of our first.

[Reagan]

Oh, forgot about that mustache. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

I like that dude. I talked to him pretty well.

[Reagan]

That's another good one.

[Brent]

Yeah. And then I don't.

[Reagan]

I don't think I. Yeah, then we've. We've had a dry spell.

[Brent]

Big Mike, we got to get him back. He's local political genius.

[Reagan]

Oh, gosh, he's. That.

[Tyler]

It's schedule.

[Drew]

It's hard to schedule the firefighters to work around their sleep schedule.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, all we're doing is playing video games, saving cats out of trees. You know, it is what it is.

[Brent]

He's. He's retired, so I know he's no.

[Tyler]

Excuse to come back.

[Brent]

He's A family man. I know that he did say that that's my main job now, but, yeah, I think if we give him enough notice.

[Reagan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The problem.

[Brent]

We usually call, like day out.

[Reagan]

Yeah, we normally call them. Yeah. Day of alive. We have no one scheduled.

[Tyler]

Big Mike, he's retired, so it was he. But he. What he is local, is that we said he's here.

[Brent]

Yeah. He doesn't have like a strong social media presence, but he's. He's got the. He's huge. He's a like a power.

[Tyler]

Big mic. So it's either gonna be really small guy, like, as it's ironic, but yeah, big dude. That's cool.

[Reagan]

All right. Were you a Marine first or a firefighter first?

[Tyler]

I was a Marine first. I became a firefighter in the Marine Corps.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So that was my job.

[Reagan]

The. What made you sign up be a Marine?

[Tyler]

My family.

[Reagan]

So your family made you.

[Tyler]

You signed right here. You signed right here. Well, for a long time, I didn't know what I wanted to do. I think everyone finds themselves in that. But everyone was going to college and I was, you know, a solid C student. I'm like, I'm not getting. I'm not getting anywhere. And everyone was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to, you know, UT or whatever. And I'm, dude, I don't want to do any of that shit.

[Brent]

College is gay.

[Tyler]

Yeah. That was my life ago. This is gay, dude. I didn't learn anything here because that's, you know, this is post inauguration.

[Brent]

Trump said we could say gay, and now we can have it. We can have it back.

[Reagan]

Executive order.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well. But, yeah, so I didn't know what I was going to do. And I'm like, man, you know, I talked to my dad and he said, what do you want to do in life? I was like, well, I'd love to be a firefighter. And I go, but when I looked at those guys and I'd see them on scene anywhere, or like they came to the school, I go, it looks like they have everything under control. Like they know exactly what we know. That's not true.

[Reagan]

Right?

[Tyler]

It's like what you said. You're putting all your brains together to create one, right? I mean, that's. That's like any scene. So. And he started talking about that and he said, what have you thought about going to the Marine Corps? And I said, yes, that has crossed my mind. And he goes, what job? I was like, I just want to go infantry like you did. And then he goes, probably. You. Probably. Let's not do that. He goes, because 99% you're not going to make it a career. You want to have something to fall back on because he went in. Exactly. And it was great advice.

[Reagan]

I hate to say that. I love it when, when guys go infantry. Like, I love that job, that mentality, but it's not a skill. It's. It's a, it's a. What am I trying. It's a life.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you don't.

[Reagan]

It's a life skill of sorts. Like, it's definitely that, but it's not a skill set. It does not carry over anywhere. Torn about that.

[Brent]

You know, why are you joining the military? Are you joining to maybe retire, have a career, have a skill set? Or are you joining to go to war and get the fuck out when you're done?

[Tyler]

I was trying to get a hot girlfriend. I'm like, if I say I'm a Marine, this will work.

[Reagan]

JVT team for life Tyler, how many critical incidents do you think we've covered so far in this podcast, man?

[Brent]

At least five, six.

[Reagan]

And, and they're not going to stop. You know, there's you, you cannot stop them all. So they're going to happen. And you really have, you know, two charters of that. Obviously one is to stop them from happening, but since you can't stop them all from happening, you owe it to the people that you protect and depend on you to react to those situations in the most effective and efficient manner. And right now, really, whether, you know, you're a fire department, ems, law enforcement, you're stuck with essentially radios.

[Brent]

And Apollo is the best way to manage resources during these events because it's designed by first responders for first responders.

[Reagan]

It gives first responders a common operating picture which allows them to see where everybody is in real time, overlaid onto a map to see where they are. You can drop pinpoints and let them know where they need to go. And without constant talking on the radio, everybody knows where the incident is, where it's happening and where they need to be.

[Brent]

And Apollo is an app based application. This is just download and go.

[Reagan]

It's an app and so it works with androids, it works with iPhones.

[Brent]

Apollo makes sure on the back end, everything works and you can just plug and go. They handle all the licensing, all the encryption compliance, all the security. It's all handled by Apollo. It's crucial to know where everyone is and what they are doing in order to effectively control chaos in one of these, either natural disasters or, or shootings or anything like that.

[Reagan]

So if you want to learn more about Apollo, scan the QR code and ensure your department is ready to react to any crisis in its most effective and efficient manner possible.

[Brent]

JV Team for life.

[Tyler]

A little bit of that, but also was like, man, it's like we had. Every male in our family was in some branch. So my grandfather was in the Navy, or, excuse me, in the Army. Cousin was in the Air Force. My uncle was in the Marine Corps. My dad was in the Marine Corps. So it's just.

[Brent]

That's all the males in your family? Yeah, our whole family lineage.

[Reagan]

We had four males.

[Tyler]

That's all we got. But there's a cool picture in my grandma's house where it shows everybody in their uniform, like, over time. So I think that's honorable. I think that's cool.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then you just see, it's like, it's like black and white and then it starts. The cameras get better over time.

[Reagan]

Yeah, I love it.

[Tyler]

But, yeah, I just didn't know what I wanted to do. And then so I took his advice and because he was a toe gunner, that was his job in the Marine Corps. He, he was a tow gunner. And he goes, just have. If you want to be a firefighter, let's see if that's available for you.

[Brent]

Wait, did they let you pick? I thought the Marine Corps didn't let.

[Tyler]

You if you go reserve. So I was reserved. So I, I wasn't. So. Yeah, so you can choose your job, right? Because they make sure it's in your area.

[Reagan]

That's right. That's why you can choose your job because you have, you, you have to drill somewhere close to home. And so you, you can choose your job because you, they're not going to make you drive six hours to go to drill.

[Tyler]

I'm sorry, that all sounds selfish. I wanted to serve my country, you know, just like everybody else. But no, that was, that was why I did it. I was like, well, you know, like, I would look at my dad and he'd wake up at 5:00am you know, before then, just be on the computer working and, you know, and I go, like, I can barely get up in the morning. Like, clear the, the sleep out of my eyes. I don't want to do anything. But he's already like, go, go, go and say, my uncle, very successful. He's a Marine. Like, he did commercial real estate. Like they ever. All the males in our family have done very, very well. And they'll have the same story. Like, I didn't know what I want to do. I Just joined the military and then figured it out later.

[Brent]

That's a great suggestion.

[Tyler]

That was my mind. I go, I had no discipline. I'm kind of a piece of shit. Still am, but a little bit better off. But joining the Marine Corps, like, they all have good heads on their shoulders. So, yeah, hopefully I can get some of that. That wisdom. I don't know what you would say.

[Reagan]

Like, that the other. The current culture of that for the average families, you don't know what you want to do. Go to college, figure it out. I think. I don't know. I think college is a bad place to figure out life.

[Tyler]

Yes, I do, too.

[Reagan]

You're away from home. You have other people with no experience now, you know, having input, you know, into your decisions and your life. And, oh, by the way, you're just adding onto debt in your life when you.

[Brent]

And then you change majors halfway through because you're still figuring out what you want to do.

[Tyler]

And what's the percentage on that? I bet you it's mostly people that change their major, like, oh, I want to do something else. And like you said, they're taking on more debt. And college debt is the only debt you can't get rid of.

[Reagan]

You can't.

[Tyler]

Like, you can't go bankrupt. It still falls. Yeah, you can't go. They're like, yep, nice try.

[Reagan]

And that's not me being anti college. You know, now you know, no one needs to go to college. I'm just saying that cannot. That can no longer be our default answer to young men and women. And be like, go to college. Figure it out.

[Brent]

It should be a pipeline to, like, this is what you want to do. This requires a college degree. You're good with that. Okay, go get a degree. Doesn't matter what you get your degree in, as long as it's a degree. But to, like you said to figure it out. Like, all right, well, just go to college and we'll. We'll continue thinking from there. That's an expensive way to think, that is.

[Tyler]

And. And it helped me, too, because if my parents would have said, we'll pay for your college, I probably would have just gone. You know, they were like, no, we're not. No, we're not paying shit.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You know, you can go get a loan, figure out. I'm like, sounds like a lot of work. I don't want to do that. Let me just join the Marine Corps and do. And if I do, they'll pay for it.

[Reagan]

I'll tell you. I'm also a big F of Community and junior colleges. You want to go to college?

[Tyler]

Especially.

[Reagan]

Especially haven't figured it out yet. All right, go to. Go to community college, a junior college. You're still kind of under the, the household, you know, control and influence of adults and adults that have your best interests at heart. And then before I release you into the wild of a 40,000 person campus. To go wild. Yeah.

[Tyler]

With little professors, breeding grounds.

[Reagan]

That's right. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And like they all have. I don't, I shouldn't say this, but most colleges have like a network of community colleges.

[Reagan]

Yes.

[Brent]

Farm club, where they have you. All of these classes in this community college will transfer over to our university. And then, you know, you only have to pay two years at a university rather than four.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

And guess, and guess what if you go to a two year community college and then, you know, graduate at University of Florida, guess what your diploma says. University of Florida. You don't get half a diploma. Same damn diploma.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

So.

[Tyler]

Well, and that's. Well, that's good because. So after the like when I did my active duty time, that was on my reserve status, then I went to college, I was like, all right, now let me try. It's paid for. I'll try it.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And I will tell you.

[Reagan]

And you earned your college.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Why? No, I didn't finish. I appreciate that. I will tell you.

[Reagan]

I'm so proud of you.

[Tyler]

First I was like, I don't want to change this. That sounds really good.

[Reagan]

I appreciate that.

[Tyler]

Thank you. You're welcome. But so I. So my first semester there, I ended up on the dean's list. I'm. And so when I see that, I go, I remember my dad. I moved back in with my parents and then when I was at the house, they got a letter and it said I was in on the dean's list. And my dad goes, you're on the dean on the fucking dean's list. And I said, what's that? And he goes, that's like top 10% or whatever it is. And I said, that's stupid. And he goes, well, what are you talking about? That's great. I go, I know nothing more than when I started.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I still, I don't have any more fraud. Well, that was. And all I did was. I just buckled down. I was like, I'm do the work.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

But I still saw it as I still saw it, that this is just my.

[Brent]

Holy shit. That scared the song.

[Tyler]

It was.

[Brent]

The ears were hit me. I thought it was a bird in here.

[Tyler]

He's been laying on My leg. He's a good dog. We got a.

[Reagan]

We got a dog underneath the desk.

[Tyler]

Attack. I.

[Brent]

An image of a bird now.

[Tyler]

You scared? You scared?

[Drew]

I saw his reaction quickly put the camera to Tyler.

[Tyler]

He's got to go. Stranger for safety. But I still saw it as, like, a complete scam. I go, what am I doing? I go, I don't need this. And I will say I was. I think I was wrong. I should have just finished just because I started it.

[Brent]

You're tapping. You're tapping.

[Tyler]

Oh, sorry. I would have. I would have said, we got lectured by this before we started. Brent yelled at me as soon as I walked in.

[Reagan]

You wanted a challenge. Don't tap. There's your challenge.

[Drew]

Classroom atmosphere is not good for him.

[Tyler]

But I still will say, I think it was a miss. I should have just at least finished and got like, my. What's it? Associates or something. I still should have done that. Because you still can.

[Brent]

Not that it'll better you in any way.

[Tyler]

Well, now I can't because I've been. I'm on this hill and I gotta die on it. I'm like, college is stupid, but I.

[Brent]

Mean, just business management.

[Tyler]

I know, and I've been saying it for two and I. It's so as far as, like, trying to get on with the department. A lot of departments now require some sort of college, and it is a. It did affect me trying to get on. Like, I don't need this because in the third semester, I. I was on. I was away for a couple weeks on some military training, and I came back and they can't hold you accountable if you turn in papers late because they assigned it when you were gone. On military dudes, it's like, I'm pretty.

[Reagan]

Sure it's law, okay?

[Tyler]

Or at least it's in the rules. So I had had a piece of paper and. But I still did it. I think we were out in California, like, in the field or something. I still did it. Yeah, I found some time because I was a firefighter, and so we do sit around, so. But I still found the time to finish it and do it. And I turned. I said, hey, I know. I saw the email. I still finished this, but I did it when I was in the field. I'm turning it in. And the language there was like a little language barrier. So I think he's from, like, Nigeria or something.

[Reagan]

And your professor.

[Tyler]

Yeah, my professor, yeah. And I went to turn in that paper and he goes, no, no, it's late. It's late. Like, we don't need the. Like, you can't turn this in. I go, no, no, you're not. You're not listening. I was on military training.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And I still have another two weeks to finish this.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

But I'm turning it into you now because I did it when I was gone. I saw your emails assigning it to us. And then he. And then he goes, well, it doesn't even have your freaking name on it. Like, throws it on the ground. Whoa, everybody. And I was sitting here and I just. And I just left the classroom. I didn't pick it up, do anything. And then I just left. And I never, I never dropped my classes. I never did. I never told my parents. And so I just like, I got. So all the work that I put in to keep the grade I went to, like, I still have like a 1.8 GPA. So it went from. You can see, it went from like 4.0 to like 3 point something and then 1.7. Because I didn't drop those classes then that did affect me.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Because I got emotional in that situation. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not picking that up. You piece of. That doesn't. I thought like in front of the class too, so that turned me off from the whole thing. But there was also like. And I'm like, I don't understand what you're saying during class anyways.

[Reagan]

Like, do you remember what the class was?

[Tyler]

Economics.

[Reagan]

Economics? What does Nigeria know about economics?

[Tyler]

I don't know. I just. I just know supply and demand and that's about it.

[Brent]

Why are you gay?

[Tyler]

Oh, that's. That's a good example.

[Brent]

I had a. I. I had Indian professors and like, you just can't understand them. They're speaking English, but their dialect and their tone and their accents.

[Tyler]

Do you think we're conditioned because you think they're scamming you?

[Reagan]

I see what you did there.

[Tyler]

So you drew.

[Reagan]

Did you finish your first year of college?

[Tyler]

So I did. I don't know if you. I don't know if It's. Technically, it's 32 hours is what. Is what I. Is what I had. So I don't know how many you need. But it was three semesters over, you know, however many months that is. I did three classes and four and then three or something like that.

[Reagan]

Tyler, did you go to college?

[Brent]

Yeah, I have a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security and Terrorism studies.

[Reagan]

Really?

[Brent]

Magna cum laude.

[Tyler]

What'd you learn?

[Brent]

Nothing. I applied. Nothing. I was like, okay, that's an accountability all of my classmates were going to the ABC agencies. Agencies. And I was like, I'm a. I'm a split. I have a son. I'm like, I can't leave central Florida. So I couldn't go to atf, C, dea, CIA. Like, they were all getting recruited, making big deals.

[Tyler]

Would they have accepted you? Would they have let you in?

[Brent]

I. I think so. I had military and I had a college degree, but I don't.

[Tyler]

Do you think they would have let him in to the atf?

[Brent]

I think I would have been. The CIA would have been like, you're weird.

[Tyler]

But we'll take. I see your search history.

[Reagan]

That's funny, I didn't know that about you.

[Brent]

Yeah, I went to Embry Riddle in Daytona, and they're an aeronautical university, but they happen to have, at the time, they had the best Homeland Security program. Like post 9 11. They were like, we need to figure out this, this terrorism thing.

[Reagan]

I had no idea they did anything else than, you know, who was in.

[Brent]

The Homeland Security because it was all bearded dudes with camo backpacks. It was all people using the GI.

[Tyler]

Bill, you know, I finally just changed that. I'm not. I used to have like a super tactical backpack. And finally I'm like, just going to have a regular black backpack and not have this thing stand out that said, hey, I'm military veteran. Veteran, carrying probably a firearm in here or something. You know what I mean?

[Reagan]

It's just proud of you.

[Tyler]

Is that good? Is that a good thing?

[Reagan]

Yeah. Yeah, I'm proud of you. We suck some sort of like, you heard it here. Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah. Well, so college, I, like you said, I just took it as a challenge. At halfway through, I was like, this sucks. And I had to do calculus. So what I did was I had to test. I had two years at a community college and I finished out my bachelor's here in Daytona. And so, well, over there in Daytona. And I had to test into whatever math I was going to be in. So I had pre planned all my classes. Like, I can graduate in exactly two years if I did it. If I took pre calc, that was going to set me one back and I would have to recalculate and do another semester. So I was like, so I need to get into calculus. And I knew nothing about calculus. So I had some.

[Reagan]

No one does.

[Brent]

I had somebody test for me. You could do it online. And they were like, hey, even though you can cheat, we don't suggest you do it.

[Reagan]

Right?

[Brent]

And so I tested into calculus. And when you do calculus There's a theory behind it. So if you understand the theory of calculus, you can solve any problem, essentially, if you know the fundamentals. Well, I didn't understand the theory, so I would just drill problems, hundreds and thousands of problems before a test. So that way I'm like, I've seen this problem before. I can just put this. This in there. But I didn't understand the theory of calculus because that will help you if you get stuck.

[Tyler]

So if you're stuck, you understood that specific problem.

[Brent]

Yes.

[Tyler]

It's funny you say that, because that's. That's exactly how I. I learned math. And I remember people would ask me, and I was like, this is the easiest one to figure out. All I have to do is do it 100 times that same problem, and then have someone, like, give me another one that's that same.

[Reagan]

Yeah. The more advanced it gets, really. It's just. How many formulas can you really memorize? Formula's the right word, you know? I mean, like, how many templates can you memorize? Like, that's really what it is.

[Brent]

Well, and like, when. If you were to go, like, you work on cars. When you work on a car, you can be somebody that understands cars. So you can pretty much sit down and start problem solving. If I don't know about cars, but you teach me how to work on this engine, I can work on this engine, but this engine alone. But outside of, like, well, the engine's working, but the car's not. So what's. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know the car. I just know the engine, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent]

But I pass with a C. And.

[Tyler]

I see in college, what's that diploma going to say? The degree, the college. That's all you need to do. All you need to do is pass.

[Reagan]

Why was Calculus A in your.

[Brent]

Like, I don't know why it was in.

[Reagan]

I don't know what that has to do with the homelands.

[Brent]

It's the general. The general studies part. So, yeah, you had to add a science, a math, and I think you still had to have some kind of, like, language arts, like English, too, which I took those in community college. I'm going to take those.

[Drew]

But it's a nerd requirement.

[Brent]

It's a nerd requirement.

[Tyler]

You have to have that and probably money.

[Brent]

Your BS Degree.

[Drew]

Yeah, yeah, I went to college. I went to high school twice. That's what.

[Reagan]

Yeah, once for free, and once you.

[Tyler]

Have the high school.

[Brent]

He's got a Biblical studies.

[Tyler]

What is that?

[Drew]

Yeah, yeah, I do Have a Master of in B.S.

[Tyler]

Oh, literally. Okay. Literally. I thought you were saying, like, well, that's biblical studies. Gotcha. I'm picking up a little slow.

[Reagan]

So you get done with that.

[Tyler]

You're.

[Reagan]

You're. So there's. I'm assuming there's a carryover for when you're Marine reservist, firefighter, and you're like, you know what? I like firefighting. Just gonna do this full time. Did you. Is that when you realize you want to be a full. You know, do that as your civilian job as well?

[Tyler]

So when I went to fire school in the Marine Corps, I was at Goodfellow Air Force Base in San Angelo, Texas, for fire training.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And when I. I was pretty sure before, but then when I was doing the training, I'm like, oh, yeah, I like this.

[Reagan]

Does that carry over as. As do your certs carry over to the civilian world? You have to go back through training.

[Tyler]

The fire certs do.

[Reagan]

The fire certs do.

[Tyler]

So in Texas, you have to go get your. If you want to, like, try to lateral or get accepted on where you don't have to go through most. Most departments, you still have to go through some sort of academy. You have to go through, like a fast track program or whatever. Even if you have certs, because they want you to learn their way.

[Brent]

Yeah. Cops are.

[Tyler]

And it just. It really just depends on the department organization itself.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

But I had. But even having those fire certs, I had to have my EMT for most places to even take a test, right.

[Reagan]

On the civilian side.

[Tyler]

Yes. Yeah.

[Reagan]

Is that the EMT on the military side, Is that something they want you to do as well eventually, or. That's like a complete disconnect. They don't even care. Just be a firefighter.

[Tyler]

It's like, hey, good job, you got. It doesn't really.

[Reagan]

At least on one side, you have to have the other side, like, whatever.

[Tyler]

They're like, whatever. Yeah. Because most of it. Because it's all. It's all crash fire rescue. So.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

It's a lot of just like, if there's any issues, it's a. Oh, they.

[Brent]

Have medics, I guess the military has medics.

[Tyler]

Well, yeah, yeah. We have the Navy. And so, like, they were always with us. Like corpsmen. You know, they were always with us. And. But as far as requirement now, you didn't have. You didn't have to have you. I think we technically got our emr, which is like a CPR cert.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Which nor. No one accepts that anymore. It's like hey, you can do cpr basically. Okay.

[Reagan]

Second cops.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Oh, they combat Lifesaver course.

[Tyler]

So this is a good point. Cops get more praise for running into a building with no gear. Then if, like, a firefighter didn't follow his, like, sogs to a T. Okay. A firefighter SOG is like, so your standard operator.

[Brent]

Why are you messing with. Okay, I'm sorry.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

We don't understand that.

[Tyler]

I apologize.

[Brent]

He was like. At the live. He's like, I don't understand any of this happening.

[Tyler]

I talk about. I'm like, that's good.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

But. So if you. But you see cops pretty often running into a burning building and pulling people out, because a lot of times they get on scene first. You know, they block the way from.

[Brent]

They're called first responders.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Reagan]

Right. But of course, it makes sense. They're already on their cars. They're already inside a zone. Like, they better be. I mean, really, if they're not, like, where were you?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

What were you doing?

[Brent]

I was shooting at the fire.

[Tyler]

Playing Xbox.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Drew]

They have less training, so they need the head start.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That makes sense. That's a good one. But there's a lot, like, they'll. Everyone, even other firefighters will praise them for doing, like, oh, you did the job. You went in and say, but if. But those same firefighters will come in and say if some. If another firefighter got on scene and didn't put his mask on before going into a building. Don't you do that, you. You motherfucker. Like that. I'm not kidding. That's.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Those were some of the frustrations. Frustrations that I had before starting conduct on becoming. I would see. And it's always the same people. You'll see it a lot, like, within these videos. It's a lot smaller than you think. You see the same people commenting, and they're always bashing. Why did he not have his mask on? You know, there's smoke in his face.

[Reagan]

Right?

[Tyler]

And it was just dumb.

[Reagan]

They're not good.

[Brent]

I was gonna say.

[Tyler]

They're.

[Brent]

They're. They're jealous that they're not doing cowboy.

[Reagan]

Well, it was the same thing. I would say it's the rules as rules, guys. Like, rules is rules. Rules are. They're guidelines. Like, this is what you should do when everything lines up. Sometimes, again, they're guidelines. Sometimes, you know, whatever the. The scenario is, let's. Let's do what's needed to be done.

[Tyler]

Well, the good thing about guidelines is it's supposed to allow you. Everyone Always talks about the thinking fireman. Thinking firemen. Like, that's. That's the moat. Like, you have to be able to get on scene. And whatever your guidelines are, take that through experience, through what you've been taught to make your own decisions. Not. You have to follow this procedure by the book or you're gonna get in trouble and. Or fired. So if you deviate a lot from These, chiefs can come down if they want to, if they don't like a certain captain or they don't like a certain firefighter, and they'll be like, oh, you were freelancing. You. You were. You went and walked around the building. You weren't in touch with your. With your guys. Like, they'll. And that's what happened with Danny Dwyer. We were talking a little bit about that today. Do you. Are you familiar at all with it?

[Reagan]

So maybe, maybe not. Yeah, tell me about it.

[Tyler]

He was a. He was a fireman. He was a captain, actually, in one of the busiest truck companies in Maybe in the nation, but for sure, in Atlanta, like, he was like the dude. They fight fire every day.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

They're very, very busy. They're all very dialed in. Good, good firemen.

[Reagan]

I mean, why are Atlanta buildings so flammable now? That's my concern, but go ahead. We'll talk about that later.

[Tyler]

I mean, there are rice, but mostly peaceful, but I don't really like. But so I think when this is his view, he goes. I think someone just had a. Basically, from what I was able to gather, just a hard on for getting him in trouble. And I don't know what it was, or I think this. This how I took it from him. He doesn't know really know what, but it sounds like they just wanted to make an example of him. Yeah, but he didn't do anything on this particular scene that they didn't do every day. And so the way the story goes is they got him for freelancing. I don't know if that's a term that y'all do y'all use that terminal freelancing?

[Brent]

No, I heard it for the first time last year.

[Reagan]

Freelancing. Sounds like he's just writing for a whole bunch of different journalists papers, but I believe you're.

[Tyler]

But a little different.

[Reagan]

Cowboy stuff.

[Tyler]

Cowboy stuff. Yeah. Just not.

[Reagan]

Yeah, freelancing.

[Tyler]

Whatever IC gives you, whatever instant command gives you to whatever your task is, if you deviate from that.

[Reagan]

All right.

[Tyler]

What you always do, because you have.

[Brent]

To be able to articulate if you deviate.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You're like, I saw this. You guys didn't see this?

[Tyler]

I'm outside.

[Brent]

Oh yeah.

[Tyler]

I'm in here.

[Reagan]

Right. So game plan from the outside. But now the real world's and you know, sets in when you're inside.

[Tyler]

Exactly. And. But that's what. But everybody knows this isn't like uncommon. Everyone knows things change. You get on scene and goes south, it becomes a shit show. It shit happens. Well, I guess he was searching off the line and he found the lady. So there was a lady trapped. And I think his guys weren't exactly masked up yet.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And he was already ready to go and he just ran out the truck. And then he was with the engine company that was making the push on the fire. So then he pushes off of them by himself. And he's not. He's not bashing his guys. He was just faster. And then the time is of the essence. If someone's known, there's a known victim.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Seconds count, right?

[Reagan]

Yeah. And just because we talked about in the live last night, which I thought was kind of. Kind of common sense when you say it, like you don't think about it. People who die in fires don't die from fires.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

Go into that just for a second. Why Seconds matter where they die from.

[Tyler]

So that's from smoke inhalation. So that's a good point. Like most people think you die from the flame itself or from the heat, but you most. I forget the percentage. But it's a high number of the percentage of people that die from smoke inhalation versus actual like being burned.

[Reagan]

And you gave a time to that, which is pretty low last night. Do you remember the time that you gave to it? Something in the first two minutes or something like that of a fire? I don't know if you remember.

[Tyler]

I might have been just spitballing. Sure.

[Brent]

You were five beers in.

[Tyler]

I might have been bullshitting at that point. Yeah, I was four beer. But I mean it's the seconds count and everybody knows it's common sense. Like you said, it's common sense. But when you put so much red tape. But people say that we hate admin. We hate cheese. That's because we do. But kidding. Hate.

[Reagan]

But bad cheese. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Bad admin.

[Tyler]

Like everyone wants a leader that they know that they go into any situations.

[Brent]

Like.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'm just going to follow you because they trust you. Right. So everybody wants.

[Brent]

I'm here for admin. That's what I'm here for.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So but it's. It's like it's gotten lost on us that they want to put so much red tape in the middle to. From point A to point B. Used to be get water on the fire quickly.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Putting the fire out. It's very. It's very con. It's common sense. Like put water. Putting the fire out makes the scene safe for everybody.

[Brent]

Right.

[Tyler]

So there was a famous speech I.

[Reagan]

Sidetracked you though about. We'll finish the same speech, but back to the story of. Of him.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, but.

[Reagan]

But I love speeches.

[Tyler]

But I will talk about that.

[Reagan]

Okay. Don't forget that.

[Tyler]

I completely forgot we were even talking about.

[Reagan]

Yeah, don't interrupt the guest.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but so he searched off the hose line.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Which we're all taught to do. But they somehow. And he found the lady. Unfortunately, she did not make it. And this lady was like a pillar in the community. Everyone knew her. She'd been in the same house since, I want to say, like maybe the 70s or 80s. It was a long time. She'd been there forever. And she was. She was like a pillar in that community. Everyone knew her. Everyone loved her. Nice, sweet old lady. Unfortunately, she didn't make it. So. But the department still. And it still blows my mind, they still wanted to make an example of him, fired him. I think eventually they offered him the job back, but he was like, I'm already. He got established somewhere else. I think it was Cobb county maybe or somewhere around there.

[Brent]

But another, as a firefighter, you would think, like, the guilt that's gonna hit, which shouldn't, but you know, the guilt of weighing like the old lady didn't make it.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

A good firefighter or a good guy anyway, is gonna be like, could I have gotten their seconds prior? Right now he has to go live with that. Let him be. Right. No.

[Tyler]

Right. Yeah, but that's. That's how it comes off, right? It's like.

[Reagan]

Right. And if you've already let me go for what I thought was doing the right thing, why would I want to go back to that?

[Tyler]

Yeah. And no but. And I know several. And those are like all of our good farm, like 20x the fireman I'd ever be. I mean, they do the job every day. I see them train, I see the videos. They'll send them to me. And they're hanging off the top, upside down, off the ti. Top of a 50 story building. Like, y'all are nuts. Yeah, but it's cool. Like, they know their job. They train all the time. Like that's what you need.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And you basically, when you do those, you set A precedence of, you know, life. Safety isn't as important to us anymore. It always used to be protect life property, and then yourselves.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

But if you're thinking about yourselves, all I'm tapping. Sorry. No, I didn't catch that.

[Brent]

I was so injured. Did they really put property before yourself?

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, that's just generally how.

[Reagan]

It'S always that type of property. But they're ruling.

[Brent]

That's their job.

[Reagan]

Is that what you're saying?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah. But it's gotten to more where you're most important. We need to protect you and your safety. And even a sign. My first day in fire school, there was a big sign, and I was 18 years old at the time. And it said. I'm paraphrasing, but it was like, your. Your life matters just as much. You're going to something. Your safety matters. It's all about. It was all about you. And it said, you can't save people if you're down, too. And I was like, that's gay. And I was 18, and I didn't know a damn thing.

[Reagan]

I was gonna bring that up because, you see, this might be in your firehouse, even a lot of firehouses. I might even screw up the slogan a little bit. But I'm pretty sure you'll. You'll know when I. When I say it, you'll see it, like, as they're driving out, the last thing I see up top, which is every. Everybody comes back.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Is that everybody comes home.

[Tyler]

That drives me nuts.

[Reagan]

Something like that.

[Tyler]

I don't like that.

[Reagan]

And that sounds good. Like it really does. You see, Like. Oh, man. Like, it sounds like a brotherhood. And I know. Like, it breathes. Well, it reminded me of being overseas and being a chow hall somewhere. And a big banner would be safety is the mission.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

No, no. There. Go look at your orders. No. There is not one mission statement that said, deploy to a war zone and be safe. It's not the mission. For the love of God, it's not the mission. And everyone coming home is a good thing, but you guys didn't hop in those trucks and go out the door for the mission to be everybody comes home. Like, again, it breathes. Well, I understand it, but that's. That is not it. That's. I think that's a. People might want to argue with me about that. And it's. It's a good discussion to be had. I don't like the mindset and the culture. They. They worded it in a way that sounds cool, but I think the. What ends up kind of driving home that culture is exactly what. What you're talking about.

[Tyler]

Why do you.

[Reagan]

When I want firefighters to come out, I want them all to say, I will do whatever it takes to save anyone's life that I can. Same thing with a cop.

[Tyler]

Well, why do you think that's so. Why do you think that's so dangerous? I want to. I want your thought on that.

[Reagan]

Because I think, I think people are working in extremes because that's an extreme. Like what, what they're saying is. So if, if, if everyone's freelancing and everyone's a cowboy, then everyone's at risk and they're. And they're right to a degree. Like if, if, when, when firefighters start getting hurt now there's more people hurt. It takes more resources, you know, to take care of more people down. Or in a drastic situation, if, if the firefighters die, who's gonna rescue the, you know, the people that, that you're there to rescue.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

Like, I get that. But if that. I think that should be a secondary thought. That is not the prime. It's just not the primary.

[Brent]

Well, let me ask you this. You in the Marine Corps, you had to go through boot camp, and then you had to go. What was the other thing? All Marines go.

[Tyler]

You had to go to combat training. You go for a month.

[Brent]

Does that, does that teach you basic movements? Like, worst case scenario, he's a rifle son, go kill.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So they, they.

[Brent]

Before you go to your job training, you have to learn how to be.

[Tyler]

Yeah, every Marine is a rifleman. Like, everyone's heard that, and that's why they send you to Marine Corps combat training. So if you're infantry, you'll go for three months. You go to ITB after boot camp. If you're. Because that's your job. If you're a pogue, which is people other than grunt, which is the common term, that you'll go to mct. So Marine Corps combat training, which is you'll be out in the field for. I can't remember what it was like three weeks.

[Brent]

But you learn basic platoon movements.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Brent]

So I was going to ask your opinion on this. The importance of being able to track where everybody is even though you cannot see them.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Brent]

You have a platoon in the woods. You got a platoon over there and you're tracking them. Back when you were in, it was just a platoon leader tracking everybody. Hopefully he's got where they are on paper.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And so we've been talking about the first responder community and being able to battle track where everybody is on a mass scene and what Apollo does. Yeah, exactly.

[Reagan]

Yeah, what Apollo does.

[Brent]

If the cowboy shit, where he was following the hose. Do you think that admin would have been more okay if they can literally see where in the structure he is as opposed to, we know he's in there, we know he's following the hose.

[Reagan]

But he's coming off, always following the hose. He got in trouble for coming off the hook for coming off the line.

[Tyler]

Well, so what? Just general freelancing? He wasn't. Whatever the mission is that or whatever the assignment they gave him.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And again, he, he still says it still baffles me because he doesn't fully understand because this is not something they haven't done before.

[Reagan]

Let me, let me put it in a different perspective that I think is, I think I was trying to say couldn't find it for us. It's hostage rescue. That is what you. That those people are held hostage inside that building, you know, by that fire. They're held hostage. There is not a hostage rescue unit better not be that comes in and believes, hey, we're going to go in and save this hostage. But guys, be safe. Like your life matters over the hostage. That is not the mentality. The mentality is we're here for the hostage hostage. The hostage is safety above all else. And someone might die rescuing the hostage, but that's what it takes to, to, to rescue a hostage. And so I think there's, I do think there's a lot of parallels to that.

[Tyler]

Right?

[Reagan]

So I don't, I don't like it when, when safety is the mission.

[Brent]

I mean, if that scenario, I don't, I don't, I do not know the tactics that Delta Force uses, but I know one of the more common, like the running the rabbit when you enter the room. I mean, you might not know that to you until about 0.5 seconds before going to the door, but you have to be okay. Like, I chose to be in this position to enter, take the gunfire while my teammate takes out the hostage table.

[Tyler]

And that alone blows my mind all the time. When I think about, I go, that takes a special human because I don't know anything about tactical movement or anything. That's not anything that I would be knowledgeable on. But when I see the first guy go in, when I watch videos or whatever and I see the first guy go in, I go, he's catching the bullets. Because if you're, you don't know where he's at. You're. You're just scanning the room. You don't know if he's in the corner, if he's behind that. I've known this from just watching videos. Like, there'll be shit all piled up in a room and, you know, be some hoarder's house, and the guy's behind, you know, mattresses. And then he pops up. I just shoot somebody. Like, you don't know that. First guy going in the door. I would never want to do that. And that's why we thank those people.

[Reagan]

I love the mutual respect, because this. I think I was with Nick Whacker, and Nick went up to a firefighter. You know, there's always the. You know, you guys make each other in the banter, as it should be.

[Tyler]

That's the fun part.

[Reagan]

And every now and again, you know, you guys will be by yourselves and. And, you know, and things will get real. And Nick was like, hey, man. The fireman says to him first, I mean, I really appreciate what you do. Like, you have to deal with people. They're. They're super unpredictable. He's like, well, I really appreciate what you do, because I don't know if I'm running into a burning building that could collapse at any time. And he says, none of this can probably be argued. He goes, I don't know. He goes, people are very unpredictable. He goes, I pretty much know what a fire is doing. Yeah, I can. It's a lot. He. He considered to be a lot more predictable, and so he thought his job was safer. Not the end of the day, when you really boil it down, there's a lot of mutual respect. I mean, I really appreciate what you do and the dangers of your job and how unique it can be in the back and forth. And that's. And that's the. That's the real respect that first responders have for each other. And I loved watching that.

[Brent]

Or you can be all of them, and you can be Tim Kennedy, police fight.

[Tyler]

He's. How much is he worth?

[Brent]

We made it 20 minutes.

[Tyler]

How much is he worth? What's his net worth?

[Brent]

That's a great question.

[Tyler]

Like 100. I'd probably say a couple lies for 100 million.

[Reagan]

Oh, for sure. Well, he makes. He makes. I think he makes something like $12,000 a lie.

[Tyler]

That's. Is this real? Is this dude calculated? That would be hilarious. Someone will do it. Someone should do it.

[Brent]

But I bring that up because he's done interviews where he said, you know, as a former police officer, former firefighter, former Green Beret, former Ranger, tat. And I'm like, Dude, you can't take credit for everything. That's like. Like you said, I'm never gonna go fight fires. I have done drills at the fire. Like, I bet made bets. And I put the thing on and I did the dark crawl space drill. And I'm like, I have to go another like, what seems like an eighth of a mile through this maze they made. I can't do it.

[Reagan]

Yeah, it's claustrophobia.

[Brent]

Like, and there's no smoke. It's just loud noises and darkness.

[Tyler]

You know what the. It's funny because I. When I. When I first went through that fire school, it kind of freaked me out too. And I go, I'm not gonna be able to be a fireman. I can't do this.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then someone's like. Someone gave me the. The. They said, hey, just close your eyes when you're in there. I'm like, it's fucking dark. Why am I closing my eyes? And they said, just close your eyes when you do it. No joke. It made all the difference. It's already dark.

[Brent]

Trade secrets right there.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I guess it's just it. Just closing your eyes and just feeling. Cause now you're just using your senses. You're not trying to see. Your body knows you're trying to see and you can't see anything.

[Brent]

Oh, I got school by as far.

[Tyler]

As you know that tight space. I don't go into a burning building, close my eyes. Yeah, let's not. Let's not teach Rice. Where were you at?

[Brent]

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[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And he goes, so am I. And I was like, don't you have to do the drills to pass? Like fire school where you go all the way up? It goes, yeah, it's my job. I was like, damn, bro. He's like, I'm terrified.

[Reagan]

And I love that because there was a. Before I was a Green Beret, I was, I was a National Guard. So I was training with my, with my hope to. Hope to be one day Green Beret unit. They were doing airborne op. And I was just one of the, one of the guys was cool enough to talk to me as a nobody. And I was like, he goes, when you go to airborne school. I was like, whenever it was, I was like, not really excited about jumping airplanes. Yeah, he's whatever. He's like, I got 152 jumps. I'm scared every time I jump out of the plane. And it sounds cliche, but it was cool to me.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

He's like, but bravery isn't doing something that you're not scared of. Yeah, bravery is doing something you're scared of. You'll do it anyway.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's, that's a very good point. Doing something anyways, like, you know, you know the risks, right? You know what comes with it.

[Reagan]

And what kind of psycho would you have to be to, you know, to hang up upside down, 50 stories up and be like, nothing, nothing's going to happen. Taking videos, right now you're a psycho. And I, and now nothing. You know, kind of. There's no risk assessment in your life because nothing's a risk. And, and now I don't want you to be honest, like it's not, it's not a good character trait. It is not. You better be scared of something.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, I want you to do.

[Reagan]

It anyway, but you better be scared of something.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, you don't want to lead off of fear. You don't want to go beyond the forefront. You don't want to because that's, that's what putting your. I think that's what putting yourself does and saying you're more important than the people, the people that you serve. Right. Like it sounds cliche, but if you lead, make all your policy off of fear, then that's all. You're running a fear based organization. Everyone's going to be on their heels instead of leaning forward. So again, I don't know anything about breaching doors or going in, but same thing. I can't imagine that you would be on your heels going through a door rather than whatever your job is. You know, if you're, if you're trying to get a. Get a hostage or get.

[Reagan]

That's, that's a life skill. You can't, you can't, you can't plan off of fear in the military. You can't plan off of fear as a firefighter. Can't plan off of fears of. As a police officer. You can't plan off of fear as a business owner.

[Tyler]

It's a podcast. Yeah.

[Reagan]

Yeah. You. As a podcast, you can't plan.

[Brent]

That's such a good point.

[Reagan]

Yeah, sure. Me one place where you can or should plan like that as, as your primary, you know, plan is like let's, let's, let's react off whatever the worst case scenario. And that's going to be our plan. So every horrible plan.

[Tyler]

So I assure you what you're saying and you can correct me from. But basically that's every aspect of your life. If you just. You should have a, you should have a plan, but you shouldn't lead everything off of what if this is the fear of it?

[Reagan]

This is, this is the saying and, and special operations and probably military wide, which is we plan off the most likely course of action, but we're prepared for the most dangerous course of action. So worst case scenario is somewhere in there. Like we're aware of it. But that's, but that's not our plan.

[Tyler]

I like that.

[Reagan]

We plan for the most likely course of action.

[Tyler]

I like that. Yeah.

[Reagan]

That's what you have to do when you're fifth again. Use the same thing when you're 50 stories up, dangling, you know, upside down. You trained for it. You did it. You've done it before. The most likely course of action is that you can do this. You will be okay. And, and you'll get down there. Now you have, you have secondary like safety protocols in case something happens. But you got to plan off with the most likely course of action is.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And I mean and I'll, and I'll fluff you guys up a little bit, but it's like. And I'll tell Tyler this earlier that.

[Reagan]

You give it to me.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yes.

[Brent]

He's working on his. Yeah, his radio voice.

[Tyler]

It sounds good. I can feel you get closer.

[Brent]

Late night with Brent playing your favorite jams.

[Reagan]

The Slow Star, the Quiet Storm.

[Tyler]

That was good.

[Brent]

The ladies man. Remember that from snl, Bottle of Cavase.

[Tyler]

I don't remember that at all. Was that, was that not the heyday.

[Reagan]

That'S what was funny.

[Tyler]

Oh, man, those were good. But. But yeah, so it's even. Like you said, it's with the business, with the podcast, you can't. You can't lead off of fear. So the, the analogy I used for Tyler earlier and I explaining y'all, I said, I. From just an outside view, I can see how this whole podcast system works, right? It's. You have this. You get on a show, use that show to try to get you on the next, and you kind of do this like, Chutes and Ladders thing. And if you make a mistake and you say the wrong thing, you go back down to level three until you can be trusted again. But y'all didn't take that route. You didn't take the. You know, we're just gonna allow people to come on or. And say what they. And spread lies, right? You're not gonna let people do that. That's not what you're about. So you. You didn't follow that same path, which has been proven successful, you know, for podcasts. And there's been a lot of authenticity that's been lost just in the first responder community because of what y'all exposed recently with. With TK and some and other people. And so when you, when you see that, I like, I was like, I respect that. I can see that and not know shit about podcasts, but I know that's how that works. I've paid enough attention to play the game. You play the game.

[Brent]

Your dues will let you on this podcast eventually.

[Tyler]

And you guys are basically like that. Like, that's not what. That's not what we're about. We want to. Because, I mean, being Delta Force, I'm sure there's. I know you guys have this like, silent, professional view, which I think you've still done it very well. You're not. You're not trying to bash. You could see how much you cared. And when people talk about certain things, you will. You will sometimes answer, even if people pay you money, like, hey, we want to answer on this. And you're like, I don't want to fucking talk about that. That's not right. So you still restrain yourself from.

[Reagan]

And, and that's. I was going to tell you is we'll give life advice right here on the podcast that, that you probably don't need. But, you know, as. As you come into the podcast, you know, space yourself and the reason that, that you have your podcast and things you want to talk about, what we did could have blown up in our face. Like it really could have.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah.

[Reagan]

But you know, I think we just, and we could have done it very unprofessionally and had given people the foothold that, that they wanted to see, which is, oh, like these guys are just jerks. And they. There if in a controversial podcast done with the right intent and the right way, I believe has taken a lot better than an out, than an outlandish thing.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Now the outlandish thing I actually think will get a little more clicks for a short term.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

I don't think it's going to give you the long term respect that you're looking for. And as you try to, you know, hold the, the firefighter community's feet to the fire. No pun intended. Thank you. It's, it's not what you do, it's the way. It's the way you do it, which I'm, I'm sure you know, but that's, that's, it's so important because it's, you get emotional about it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

You know, and so it's so easy to, to let that slip for a second.

[Tyler]

And I, Sure. And I definitely have. And so, and if I made a mistake, if I got something wrong, I'll go publicly do it. There was a guy that commented recently, he's like, man, you guys get a lot of shit wrong. And I said, well, yeah, that's true, but I'll publicly acknowledge it if I got something way wrong. And I'll leave it like the poster's still there. You know, it's, you know, it's whatever. But it's funny because people love it.

[Brent]

But the story doesn't come out. So you're going. So you're doing your research based off of the knowledge you have.

[Tyler]

I do very little research.

[Brent]

I'm just go with it. But like, when you bring something to light now it's way more because other people are talking about that you got it wrong. Now it's exposed more. So now everybody has a chance to get the right story and like, hey, I'm sorry I got it wrong, but there was fucking limited information on this.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, and that, well, that's why I told you guys about your dynamic. Because it's because, because I'll say, like, I, I, I, I take a lot of things from bird's eye view and that's good and bad because like I said, I'll get a lot of shit wrong. But that's where Brennan comes in. Like, Brennan has this, you know, he's very well spoken. He, he does a lot More. He does. He does a little more research than I would.

[Brent]

Brent's our research guy.

[Tyler]

And so that's what I'm saying about Yalls dynamic. Like, you have the conspiracy theorist that doesn't believe in the moon landing, and then, you know, you're. You're the silent professional. He's going to say, you know, whatever that comes to his mind. But it's a cool dynamic because you have the same principles and like.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Morals.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

But you attack things different and adds a good dynamic because you're going to have to. You're going to have both listeners.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I think that's. That's what. That's what's cool about it.

[Reagan]

So what made you decide to do a podcast and how many episodes are you in question?

[Tyler]

We're at seven episodes now.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

We just released one yesterday where we had our producer step in. So he's. And he's not a firefighter. Okay. And he's done an excellent job. I've been very surprised by him. I said, hey, man, we can't pay you anything, but usually the opportunity. And I go, I know nothing. I can't teach you anything. I'm basically just gonna rely on you to learn it. He went to bottom. And he's a truck driver, so he drives.

[Reagan]

Really?

[Tyler]

Yeah. So he drives. He's contracted through the post office, and he drives every week to Oregon and then drives back down.

[Reagan]

They do it from where to?

[Tyler]

From Dallas.

[Reagan]

Dallas to Oregon.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And he does that every week. So sometimes he'll have like a long trip and then a short or a short week and a long week. So he's usually back by Wednesday or Thursday and then he has to leave again Sunday.

[Reagan]

But there's someone else to have to figure out. On your schedule.

[Brent]

Yeah. That's why we tried to always keep it in house, because that's another third person on the schedule.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And. But he stepped in and I was like, hey, we're going to have you. Because it's hard to get Brennan to fly down and film right now with everything that we have going. Okay. So Bren and I talked. I was like, hey, let's have Alan just step in so we can put. There's too much happening to not put stuff out every week. So Alan stepped in and he did a really good job because he. I met him through EMT school in 2015. But Alan has no knowledge of, like, the first responder community, really. But he's paid enough attention to where he can edit and make things. And then even on the podcast he was very well spoken, did a great job, but. So we got lucky finding him. But you forgot where. I completely forgot where I was going. Where was I going?

[Brent]

Why you got into podcasts?

[Reagan]

Oh, yeah. What made you start it? Safe thing happens to me, by the way. I answer questions all the time that I'm like, what was the original question? I know I didn't answer it.

[Tyler]

Where. Where am I?

[Brent]

Because, I mean, it's very impressive. You guys are going, you know, you guys are going head on with the entire fire, like, community.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

The. The. The yes men. The. The safety. Ner. What you call them. The, the safety guys that follow the. The rule followers.

[Tyler]

The rule followers.

[Reagan]

The rules are rules guys.

[Brent]

Yes. Those guys, you're going head to head and they outnumber you quite a bit.

[Tyler]

They sure do. They sure do. They sure do.

[Reagan]

You think so maybe put it this way.

[Brent]

The loudest.

[Reagan]

Yeah. One, they're the loudest. Or they might be in a. In a. In a higher position because they got that way because they're rules guys. And, and yes men. But something tells me like the ground guys, the boots. The boots on the ground guys, like, are going to hear what you're saying and be like, okay, he's right. Like that's. That's kind of the silent majority.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Go into the history of what you were telling me earlier. The. They have a nickname. The types of firefighters. What are they called back in the day?

[Tyler]

Oh, so like talking about the pages. The. The.

[Brent]

No, no, no, no. You said the types of. They're mutts. Mutts.

[Tyler]

Oh, so that. Well, that was started by. I. I can't really go into that, but.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Brent]

Too controversial.

[Reagan]

Well, what if it was a super chat?

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's always gets us in trouble, but.

[Reagan]

All right, then we'll just go bid. If you can't answer that, then why.

[Tyler]

You started it so well? There was no podcast or anything for just like the ground guys. There was no. For the grunts, for whatever. Like the guys that just like to go and fight fire. And you know, they love their fan. They just want to go to work. They're good. They love being a fireman.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And there's plenty of guys that are like that. Just. I just want to be a fireman. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You can be a 20 year fireman, but everyone's wanting to push you to go do these, these online classes. All this. Everything we do to try to promote is basically online now. There's not a whole lot of like on the ground training, it's moved towards, so target Solutions, the big one. So if you ever talk to firefighters, most firefighters know what target solutions is. It's basically. And it's a good system. Okay, I understand why it's there. But we rely on it too much for just simple training, for the data. Everyone always talks about the data. And the data drives me nuts because I'll say, I'll say. One of my buddies was telling me how he looks on his training records. He's like, how did I get 300 hours of training this month? I haven't done shit.

[Brent]

How do you get it?

[Tyler]

Well, that this is just his word, but it's because they log everything as training.

[Brent]

Oh, so what, you're to get your job, you're getting training and that?

[Tyler]

Yeah, you know, allegedly. But so when I keep seeing that happen over and over and it's just like, look, look at all these numbers.

[Reagan]

And they're dangerous. It's dangerous because it's not real numbers.

[Brent]

Yeah. This guy's trained, right?

[Reagan]

Yeah. Does it seem like more of a cover your ass, you know, type thing? Because if anything happens, like, well, look at all the, like he's been training or it just happens to be just a secondary effect of good intentions. But that's. That's what's happening now with it.

[Tyler]

It could be. I think a lot of these. I think a lot of people in admin are just fluffing up their resume and their numbers so they can move on to the next thing to become chief. And I understand to like a degree how you want to build a track. And. But there I had a. I had a captain that I highly respect still to this day. He would do all that too. But he would also. He understood these are just the numbers. Now let's do the real thing. Like he would. Did. He was probably the most play the.

[Brent]

Game, but let's go train.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Well balanced guy. And the dude, he was very much a silent professional. He was 44 years old. The dude looked 30. I mean, he was fit.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And he was just a humble dude. And he'd whoop your ass too, at the same time. But he would never like, never let you know. He just had that, that skill set. But he would never react real like emotional about situations, but people would get upset about it because he knew more than them. And it, it is what it is. But it's always like these fat admin out of shape and that. It is what it. It's true. Like.

[Reagan]

Right, well, let's get. Let's get into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fat. Let's get. Let's talk about fat.

[Tyler]

Bodies.

[Reagan]

So it comes to, like, the. The training standards, which is absolutely. Has to be talked about and has to be upheld, which is a problem if someone thinks you have more training. They really do. Like, what.

[Tyler]

How do we.

[Reagan]

How are we really maintaining these training standards? And of course, a close follow on parallel. Just as important as your. The physical standards. Because all. All to most firefighters, training. Training has a degree of physical standards that have to be met to do this. This type of job. What is. What is. I almost want to say what is going. That's more general. What is going on with the. And whatever the answer is. So I don't want to be a leading question. What is going on with the physical standards within the fire department, the firefighting community?

[Tyler]

There's two ways I could go. I'll start this and try to bring it back. But it. So the general numbers have always been like, 70, 30 on percent of, like, obese, overweight firemen. It's always been like, 70% are obese or overweight.

[Reagan]

Oh, it was 70 is overweight.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And now it's 80. I think. I think now it's gotten worse, which makes sense as a society as well. So. But we've also.

[Reagan]

So you're telling me, like, they're having to do a little bit of searching to fill the firefighter calendar each year.

[Tyler]

They sure are. They sure are.

[Reagan]

It's not as easy as people think it is.

[Tyler]

Not yet unfortunate they're having to use.

[Brent]

Mr. February and Mr. November.

[Tyler]

It's not as easy it used to be. But I also think that comes from a. So we talked about DEI a little bit, But. And I've seen this firsthand. This isn't just secondhand. This is. I've witnessed this when you bring in and you try to force a department to hire because of gender, like, oh, we don't have any females. We need to hire females. We need to hire black people, Asian people, whoever. And you have these numbers you have to meet whenever they don't pass their skills or do their skills correctly. I've been told this, like, yeah, I can't. I can't fire her or I can't fire him. I have to basically get them to quit and sign that they chose. They voluntarily chose to leave. So then it adds, like, another level of like, what they have to do to get this person to leave. And it's not just. But you have a probationary period for a reason for that. To just say, I Don't like your haircut.

[Brent]

Yeah. That year, you're.

[Tyler]

You're ready to be cut, and that has not been able to happen. So I remember at a department I was at in New Mexico, who's putting in these standards?

[Reagan]

Like, who says that? I think it says that the percentages have to be. Be this.

[Tyler]

I think it comes from government funding. I don't know this for a fact. I've heard this. I haven't verified this, but it makes sense. Like, if you want certain grants, they're like, do you have a DI program?

[Brent]

Do you have. You know, stuff like that just blew my mind.

[Reagan]

So let's see how you could tie funding into that then.

[Tyler]

That's also with businesses. I know for a fact that is with business. One of the businesses I used to work for did have that, and they're probably ahead of it, so. And that. That makes sense. So I was like, hey, you're not maintaining your number now. We're not gonna be able to get this grant. So I remember there, we had a female, her first day. They were teaching her about the saw. They were taking her through it. They were like, all right, start it up. She couldn't even pull. Start that. She couldn't even pull the string. She wasn't strong enough. And they're like, it's okay.

[Reagan]

That's not okay.

[Tyler]

And I lost. Not. I lost my mind. And I was already, at this point, at the. This department, I was kind of disgruntled.

[Reagan]

Right?

[Tyler]

And I'm like, what? I was like, that's. I was like, if that was our new guy, y'all would have been reaming his ass calming a weak.

[Reagan]

Absolutely.

[Tyler]

I think it's cool. I'm not opposed to that.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Like, he needs to get stronger. But you should have been doing the same to her. You should. You know, you should have.

[Reagan]

Here's the problem. They. They want to be treated the same, and then when they're treated the same, like, they're upset about it. You're absolutely right. And that's. That's probably unfair to whoever that person is, because that. That person didn't even get a chance to. To get treated the same.

[Tyler]

I don't think it was fun. Fair to that person. But.

[Reagan]

Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like. Like in this scenario, because I don't. I don't know her. Like, maybe she would have taken it just fine. The. To me, the fault really lies on that guy that decided to fold his integrity for his fellow firefighter and tell a weak person it's okay. To be weak just because it's a female.

[Brent]

And all the people that's the problem. All the people that lifted her up and not lifted her up, that sounds bad. All the people that falsely told her, exactly, yes, you're doing great. She had to get through the academy.

[Tyler]

It's okay.

[Brent]

I get all these people in my car when I used to train people and go. He made it through the state academy and then an in house training program and landed in my seat with his problems.

[Tyler]

But I will say in the opposite end of that I have seen there was in another academy I went through. Sorry, I thought that was Max.

[Brent]

It was a fucking dog.

[Tyler]

You gave him a mic down there. But there was. I saw the same scenario in another department I had gotten on and the same thing happened with her. But then she went and asked the training captain, hey, can I take this saw home with me over the weekend? And then came back and was able to start it over the weekend, which kind of blew my mind. How did you get strong? But I don't know if she just worked on her technique or what, but techniques.

[Reagan]

There is some technique to it, but, but a lot of just muscling up through it as well.

[Tyler]

But, but that will say, okay. Right on. You saw, you didn't just accept I can't do it and maybe I'll get better, but took it and said, okay, I'm gonna take this all home. So I respect that.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

In that scenario. Right. So. But I've seen it time and time again where even like people that are known as hard ass training captors. Oh, that dude's a hard ass. And you will see them like, yeah, it's okay. Like, yeah, you don't have to go do the. Throw the towels in the laundry. Like, oh, don't worry about it. If I did that, they would have been hanging me by my nut sack.

[Reagan]

Here's the other problem that, that that happens with that I will say is, is not, is not their fault and it's create. There's already almost some sort of instant division already created which is this. If not everyone is held to the same standard and then you see a, you know, whether it be a female or minority in there, you should never have to look at that person and go, are you here because you met the standards? Are you here because you're a diversity hire? Which is a valid question to have because you don't know. And maybe that person met all the standards. But if there's always a standard being held, you'd never have to ask that question. And they're immediately a part of the team, and they get to, you know, continue to prove themselves like everyone. But when you have that question, I don't know how you got here.

[Brent]

It's already bad.

[Reagan]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's not. It's not. It's not fair to them either.

[Tyler]

I. Yeah, I agree. Oh, even from your perspective, how many times have you seen people fail a fitness test and then they have to come back in, and then all of a sudden they passed? You know, Or. Or maybe.

[Brent]

Why are you saying that about me? I didn't fail.

[Tyler]

No, not you. I put on a little weight, bro, but come down. Oh, golly. But as far as. Because I've heard this as from other cops, you know, they say, yeah, it's amazing. They'll. They'll fail the. The fitness standard every year by magically make it. And then magically, they come in for their retest and they magically make it.

[Reagan]

Here's the other thing about the standards. If you hold a standard, people, if they want to have the job, they will meet the standard. Like, stand none of these standards. You're not asking them to walk 40 miles with £70 in their back. You know, I mean, like.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

It's a standard. It's a. I don't say easily obtainable standard to, like, downplay, like, you know, what. What you guys do, but it's an obtainable standard.

[Tyler]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Reagan]

Obtainable standard.

[Tyler]

It's not hard. It's not. It. It just takes a little bit of consistency, you know, and if they won't.

[Reagan]

Meet that, then they've all. They've already proven they're not here. They. They're not fit for the job, you guys.

[Tyler]

See, that's just. That's just common sense, it seems.

[Reagan]

Don't bring common sense.

[Tyler]

It seems so. Yeah, right.

[Reagan]

It seems so simple.

[Tyler]

It seems so simple. But we all know this. And that was the other thing with, you know, kind of going back to why you said, why you started this. I would just see these firefighter cop, whatever, podcast, and they'd be talking about the same. Same every time. It would be, you know, oh, you got to show up better than yesterday, because yesterday is better today and tomorrow is not here. So, you know, someone put that on the side. You know, they're just making up. And I go, God, who's this for? Like, nobody's listening to this. There was not just a guy that wanted to say it, how it was. That's why I started listening to y'all before, and I'm like, oh, these are guys, like, actually talking about just real issues. And it's. And it's not even. It shouldn't even be controversial. It's just what's actually happening.

[Brent]

He said he was really impressed with our. When we did the George Floyd, he was like, God damn, these guys will say anything.

[Tyler]

Well, in the time, you know, especially being a cop active today.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You know, and all you did was show the handbook. You're like, in the handbook from his academy.

[Brent]

Here's what he did. A picture of him and a picture in the handbook.

[Tyler]

Yeah. But people get mad at cops when they're not the ones making the rules. You know, it's like, dude, what do you.

[Reagan]

Do you think, here's the other maybe problem of sorts is guys on the ground know what lowering standards will do for you guys. Yeah. I mean, it puts your life at risk, but you don't always get to see that play out. So it's kind of in theory.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

You know, just generally speaking, you're hoping.

[Brent]

You never have to see it play out.

[Reagan]

That's right.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Reagan]

And then we kind of get to see complete incompetency. Incompetency play out. I don't know. Sound right to me. But anyway, play out at a large scale in Southern California.

[Brent]

Yes.

[Reagan]

Like it. It played out in a large scale at the most. And do you think between that and an administrative. An administration change that changes are coming, like there's optimism to be had, or it's just too late and it's. This is kind of what we have. And you're just fighting for small victories at this point.

[Tyler]

So you're talking about the LA wildfires.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay, so.

[Brent]

Cause what did you. Would. Is she a chief that got on and said, if a lot of wives ask me, how are you gonna carry my husband out of fire? And they're like, if he got himself, that's a problem he got himself in.

[Tyler]

Or something like that. How did you get yourself in the wrong place? If I have to rescue out of a fire, like, there's something like that. And so, yeah, everyone hears that, that has no knowledge of the fire service thinks that's crazy. Right. That's not a normal thing.

[Brent]

I expect you to be in fires. Sorry, I'm in. Well, at some point.

[Tyler]

And she is the assistant chief. She's the assistant chief. Lesbian to the chief. Lesbian. The. The chief Crowley.

[Drew]

So well put.

[Tyler]

And well. And I will give it to Bill Maher's credit. He said this and he said, is she. He said, am I against a lesbian Chief. No, but is she the best chief for the position? We don't know. Or was she just the best lesbian chief for the job? You know, because those are two different things.

[Reagan]

Different things.

[Tyler]

And I will say that was. That was very well put. Was she just the best lesbian? And people will say that she had because she went. She got a Harvard, Harvard Business degree. All like, that's great, but how does that transfer?

[Reagan]

I don't care if you have a Harvard Business degree.

[Tyler]

I said that and someone fucking ruined me. And they were trying. They're like, that's you. You don't have a Harvard Business degree. You don't know how to manage things. I'm like, you don't need those degrees. That case, like, there's several case studies you can look at where people have no degrees that are excellent job experience.

[Reagan]

Trumps any degree you could ever.

[Tyler]

I was going to ask you that earlier. I was like, what? But you answered like, do you think education is better? Or experience.

[Reagan]

But all day long experience. Yeah, all day long experience.

[Drew]

Know the job, then you can manage it.

[Reagan]

Well, so exactly.

[Tyler]

Then you get down to. I'll just, yeah, I'll just say it. But then you get down a bigger rabbit hole. You have people like the NFPA who basically governs what we do, but they're not laws. Like even in their, in their rules, you say these aren't laws, but states and people will implement them as laws. They'll say, refer to if you want.

[Brent]

To be part of. These are bylaws.

[Tyler]

So they'll take it. And when there's so much money involved, like everyone knows there's corruption at the top on a lot of these organizations. All those people. I don't say all. Well, maybe I think it is all actually because Brent and I looked this up. We were curious at least most majority of people that are up in those positions that make the rules for us have never been a firefighter.

[Brent]

Oh, really?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

So wait, that would be crazy.

[Tyler]

Explain that to me.

[Reagan]

How is it that like a civilian review board. That never happened.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So. And chiefs love to cite the NFPA like, oh, you broke nfpa, you know, whatever, policy, policy. But then when you bring up people. Okay, you want to follow nfpa? Well, NFPA recommends four per engine, four per apparatus. But most departments don't do that because it's too expensive. They'd rather save money and just put three on there. But time after time that's been proven wrong, that it's better for people that are trapped in buildings or Just overall fire, Fire ground operations, to have four per apparatus. And that's been proven. They've done a lot of studies showing how having that extra personnel. Because let's say. So if you want to follow two and two out, which we talked about this a little bit, is the general rule that you have to have when you show up on a fire scene, you have to maintain two. If two are going in the building, you have to have two on the outside in case something happens.

[Reagan]

Okay, makes sense.

[Tyler]

And unless there is an immediate danger to life. So if someone's trapped in a building, however, there are departments that are trying to say you have to have two in, two out, even if there is someone trapped. And so it's a gray area. So you have to say, I heard.

[Reagan]

Somebody for the people inside the building. I don't think it's a gray area.

[Tyler]

It's not, but it's. Exactly. But you have. You have million dollars. You have millions and millions of dollars of equipment sitting outside, taxpayer money. And, oh, you have all this gear on, and you have to sit here and wait for more engine. Because you only have three. You don't have two and two out.

[Reagan]

Oh, I see. I see. What? Yeah.

[Tyler]

So now three, right?

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Average response times. I don't. I don't know. I should know this, but every city is different, but I'd say probably 10 minutes maybe average response times, but you want a lot less than that.

[Brent]

You got to get. Get geared up or. Yeah, yeah, get on the rig.

[Tyler]

And fire behavior changes every 30 seconds, especially with today's material. So every 30 seconds, it's growing, getting bigger. I mean, a lot of people have seen, if you pull up the Christmas tree one, they get going up in flames. The whole room is engulfed in like, I think it's 40 seconds.

[Reagan]

Wow.

[Tyler]

There's. People aren't surviving that. So time is of the essence. But when you have. When you add more time and you add more things to get us from in between point A to point B, all this overreach, like, you add more time is what you're doing.

[Reagan]

Right. And it's a race against time.

[Tyler]

Yeah, exactly.

[Reagan]

Yeah, absolutely. The. The assistant lesbian said something that. Said something that really pissed me off because they. They. It's one of the things that kind of breathes well. And they stole this line from. From the police world, from the diversity of police world.

[Tyler]

How dare they.

[Reagan]

Which. Which kind of almost arguably makes sense at a surface level. And then they. And it makes no sense to me at a firefighter level. Do you remember when she said, when we show up to a scene, people want to see people that look like them.

[Tyler]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Reagan]

In the police world, maybe there's an argument to be had. I will argue against it, but it's at least somewhat debatable. On the fire world, no one gives two craps what the person looks like putting out your fire.

[Brent]

You can't even see them. They're wearing a mask.

[Tyler]

In fact, I'm a they them.

[Reagan]

Give me a day then like, yeah, no one cares. But the fact that she can say that like on record in, you know, on a recorded message to get sent out and she. And it gets no pushback is crazy to me. What's getting pushed back now? Yeah, the whole all America's seen it now. No one's happy about it.

[Tyler]

So maybe a month in when we made content becoming, we were posting and sharing those videos. Videos those are already out. And now it's all blowing up. And like you said, now they're all getting a bunch of shit for him. And a year ago when we put. We're not even a year ago, but whenever we were posting that, everyone's like, oh yeah, that and then. But there's also a lot of people that are mad at us for now sharing that because you know, Gavin Newsom came out and he was like, I don't want. Let's not make this political, guys. Like we have people, you know, he's gaslighting like he, yeah, you know, he's.

[Brent]

Getting, he's getting out in front of the bad guys.

[Tyler]

He's getting out in front of it like, you know, like your five year old son when he's lying, he's like, daddy, I didn't spill that. You never even asked him. You know, it's like, don't look over here. I was like, first of all, I didn't even.

[Reagan]

This is what I hate. It goes just back to like again sorts. Well, when we call someone out like, hey, don't. You shouldn't do public about this. This should have been a man to man conversation to which we say they made it public first. They wrote a book. They're saying on pod on podcast. If they'd have said it in private, we should talk about in private once they make it public. Now we're going to talk about in public.

[Tyler]

It is up for public debate.

[Brent]

The arena has changed, right?

[Reagan]

The arena's change. So when he comes out and says, oh, let's not make it political, you've already made it political. The diversity hires was a political move. It's all. You made it political, and so now it is political. So you can't go put that back in the, in the jar and try to put a lid on it.

[Tyler]

Right. Yeah, you start it out there.

[Reagan]

Yeah, that's.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'll tell you why. That. Very disingenuous that. That chief said that. So the, the LA Fire Department created their own DEI Bureau. So they took away 17.6, $17.5 million from the LA Fire Department, and then they also implemented a DEI Bureau. Well, that's not free. So what we could find was.

[Reagan]

That's insane.

[Tyler]

$3 million allocated to it to operate a DEI bureau. You can watch the video. It's disgusting. It's just they're showing, they're saying, these are all of our new hires. They're all learning about culture and equity and inclusion or whatever the fuck they use.

[Reagan]

So I just want you to learn about firefighting.

[Drew]

What's their motive for doing that?

[Brent]

Grants votes.

[Tyler]

Well, look what we.

[Drew]

The LA's there, they're populous.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Drew]

It's all about votes. It's all about speaking to that constituency.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Drew]

And saying, look what we've done.

[Tyler]

We made this for you. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I, I would also.

[Drew]

Because they're not doing that here.

[Reagan]

But the irony of that is we did this for you and we put your lives in danger over it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

You know, like, it's not. It's not.

[Tyler]

And that's exactly what's happening through. I mean, you have. You're hiring people based on how they look. Is that not racism? Is that not.

[Reagan]

That actually is the definition of racism, so. Absolutely.

[Tyler]

And it, it blows my mind that people can. I don't care. You know what you look like.

[Brent]

This has been around for decades. They used to call it affirmative action.

[Tyler]

Well, even my, even my dad, when he was, he was talking about. When they were more blatant about. They said they didn't hire him. And I didn't know this was like, that he was. Yeah, they didn't hire me because I wasn't black. I said, what? He goes, yeah, yeah, this is what the Chief told me when I was trying to get on that my grandfather was friends with. They said, yeah, he didn't fit what we needed. And I said, it's affirmative action, you know, And I go, man, that's so wild to me. Like, it doesn't matter if you're black. And again, this is all common sense, but it's not so common, I guess, is you just want the best person for the job.

[Reagan]

And we said it on the live last night. It actually goes against everything they fought for. You know, we just had, you know, MLK day. MLK fought and everyone agreed with in black and white, but, you know, they fought for. Don't judge me by the color of my skin. Judge by the content of my character. And in this situation, judge me by my capabilities. Don't judge me by the color of my skin. But that's. But we've taken it. And when the pendulum swung so far the other way, we're. Well, now we're racist from this end.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

And it's. It's racist from this end to hire someone based on the color of the skin.

[Tyler]

And I. But I. So like you said on both.

[Reagan]

I don't want it. I don't want it either way. I don't. I don't want an all white fire department because they were hired because of the color of the skin. I don't want that.

[Tyler]

No. Yeah.

[Reagan]

I don't want it in any direction.

[Tyler]

You just want someone to.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Pull you, your family out.

[Reagan]

Put together 20 female fire department. I really don't. Did they meet the standards? Send it. Did they meet the standards? And if you have a problem with that, then your standards are messed up, right? Yeah, they meet the standards. Send it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And there's 60 houses down in LA.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, that's another.

[Reagan]

Oh, bring that up.

[Tyler]

63 stations is what they're supposed to be at. To be at minimum. To be at minimum staffing. So, you know, to build a fire station. And it's probably an average of 7 to 10 million dollars to build LA, probably way higher. That's just in Texas. That's generally what it's going to cost to build a new fire station. So 63 stations, if you average 4 per shift per station, that's about 756. That's on the low end that they're down.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So I would probably say it's probably like a thousand firefighters that they're down. They are also have less firefighters today than they do than they did 20 years ago and less fire stations. So you double or triple the call volume. Whatever it was 20 years ago. You can look at any call volume in any department. You can even look at a Podunk town. I guarantee you it's still be doing this. It'll still be going up.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

The cities have plans for growth averaged on the rate of how many people are moving to the area. Like they have all this figured out. Like where I work, it's a smaller department and we're already plotted for seven. Seven stations. So they have this, the 20 year plan.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Based on that.

[Reagan]

And maybe they're down because everyone's moving to Texas.

[Tyler]

Well then people.

[Reagan]

Because of stupid stuff like that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well that's, that's another. But to your point, when you said votes because you keep the same people in power and I believe you can revert everything back to money if you just follow the money, figure out how to follow it.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So there was also a hundred million dollars taken from the fire prevention budget. A hundred million. And then they're not, they're not even able to track where that money went. Only up to like, I think it's like 24 million or something like that is what they're able to track and see where it went. A hundred thousand dollars went to the Gay Men's Choir club, which is a real, it's a real club. They're the ones that were saying like we're coming for your kids during COVID I don't know if you remember that. That was them. They're called the LA Men's Gay Choir Club. Then you have another DEI Trans, which is what it's called DEI Trans Group of la. More money was donated. I think it's like LA is a. Just a black hole for federal funding. And you, you're. And with all this money, I think there's. It's getting tossed into certain people's hands. It's getting tossed somehow in these politicians hands. That's just my guess, my personal opinion. But then you also have same with, Same with homeless. 24 billion with a B was allocated to the homeless issue in 2019. So it's all gone.

[Reagan]

So it's.

[Tyler]

I can assume it's actually gotten worse.

[Reagan]

So interesting.

[Tyler]

How, how does, how do you.

[Drew]

You can build a lot of houses with $24 billion.

[Tyler]

Well, so, and I use this example and a lot of people have heard this, but do you know the difference between a million and a billion? Like if you were to count in seconds, do you know how. Do you know how long that is the difference?

[Brent]

No.

[Tyler]

If you were to guess, how long would it take you to count to a million right now?

[Brent]

A year.

[Tyler]

So 11 days.

[Brent]

Oh, okay.

[Tyler]

How long do you think it would take you to count to a billion? This will just give you perspective. 3 years, 37 years.

[Reagan]

Get out of here. Sheesh.

[Brent]

That's the gap between a million and a billion.

[Tyler]

Because we hear these numbers, we know that's like a lot, but that's, that's, that's 1 billion. You got 24 of those.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Because when it's tax money, it's not real money. Yeah, like to people, right? Sure as hell is.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Something's getting funded. Something's not getting funded. It is.

[Tyler]

Someone's paying the bill. Yeah, but 20. And the problem only got worse. So. And they say we don't have the, we don't have the, we don't have the funding, we don't have the resources, we don't have the personnel. You have all the personnel applying. You've got thousands that roll in to try and test for LA Fire Department. But it doesn't meet your, your standards for DEI for what you want. It doesn't meet those standards. You have all the capabilities of hiring good personnel. They don't have a lack of that. And so they, they say we don't have enough money. But they got 89, 89 fire apparatus. They're million dollar apparatus. You got $100 million of apparatus sitting in the boneyard because they don't have enough mechanics because they don't have money to pay mechanics. I go, I, I refuse to believe that is the issue. They just refuse to do it. Now why? I don't know.

[Drew]

Yeah, I heard they fired the civilian maintenance workers on, on those apparatuses.

[Tyler]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So they fired them.

[Drew]

Yeah, they got rid of them to, to make room for money on, for other stuff.

[Reagan]

Well, if, see, did you hear this? And this, it just goes to the culture of, of California, Oregon sent, I want to say it was 60, whatever it was, they sent a lot of fire trucks to come, to come help California. California. As should be pretty common knowledge, their, their smog and emissions standards are higher than the rest of the country.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

So they stopped, they literally stopped and tested all of those, those fire trucks, halted them for days and days checking their smog and emissions. I don't know, tens and tens of thousands of houses, burning trees, burning a.

[Brent]

Little bit of smog.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You think it's emitting some stuff?

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You think that's pollution right now? Okay.

[Reagan]

Yeah, I think, I think it's the last thing on your mind. But it's not.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Reagan]

I mean that story should have been a bigger story if my house catches on fire like shortly after that. And I'm thinking, are you, are you kidding me like this? You think those, those fire trucks from Oregon could have, could have helped?

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, so I haven't looked into that specific. I've heard about it and I've done a little bit of research. I've seen People talk about it both sides, but either way it doesn't make sense because you have a state of emergency, you have LA burning. We need to stop. You know, we need to check your emissions. We need to make sure that you're in compliance with our state laws. And. And then in my mind I'm like, they already said that they don't have enough mechanics and people to work on. What makes you think they have enough people to get those people checked and then on their way if they're stopped there for days checking the missions? And then. So a reporter came out and did say, well, they're just checking to make sure that it's all safe and ready to go. They use those words. So when I see that I'm already, you know, I'm like, I don't like that.

[Reagan]

Wasn't that Oregon's job? And those firefighters job, make sure they were safe when they sent him down there. It's not your job to check on them.

[Tyler]

Exactly. So you now you have more red tape, which is kind of what we red tape earlier. You have more red tape and people cannot respond to a state of emergency. The largest, most historic fire in California history. People losing their 12,000 structures, I think is where we're at right now. Crazy. You. And you're still. We're going to stop and check your emissions. That doesn't make any sense.

[Brent]

It does if doesn't. It does if you want to get, get crazy with it.

[Tyler]

Oh yeah, I will. Yeah.

[Brent]

The. There's, there's plans on a new la.

[Tyler]

Oh.

[Brent]

And people are saying that those, that, that's territory.

[Tyler]

You're not gonna like this.

[Brent]

Joe Rogan covered it. He did it really well. So I'm not going to try to. But he, he covered the disgusting.

[Tyler]

Don't downplay yourself.

[Brent]

That Gavin Newsom did when. And again.

[Tyler]

Oh yeah.

[Brent]

He could have just been being an idiot and they're like running with it. But he talks about the future and he's like about rebuilding and he's like a little excited about it. And like meanwhile the houses are on fire behind him.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And it's like, you know, so he's talking about.

[Brent]

It was a laser beam.

[Tyler]

People come. I had to get it out. It's a space laser direct energy. He talks about with all this fire destruction behind him, he's talking about. He talked with the governor of Hell Hawaii on how they're having developers and companies come in and buy up land. And he's doing this dance and he's saying, he's, he's telling you to your face that. Yeah. And we're working with our legal team to, you know, push these companies through and make this happen for them. But, you know, we're doing everything we can. Just says it like that. And he says it. And to his credit, he's very charismatic and well spoken. So he makes it sound like it's not bad. He's like, yeah, we're going to, you know, we're going to push that through. And doing his little dance. So he's telling you that they're working with people to come buy up that land for probably pennies on the dollar because no one's able to rebuild their house.

[Drew]

Why didn't you push through getting the engines fixed?

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Exactly.

[Reagan]

Or have a plan in place to have your taxpayers and voters that put you in charge to rebuild their property and land that is kind of burned up because of you and your bad planning.

[Tyler]

Now the question is, does he want that?

[Reagan]

Exactly.

[Tyler]

Does he?

[Reagan]

But you'd have to want it, which he clearly doesn't.

[Brent]

I've.

[Reagan]

I read an article that, that you. That you're talking about smart cities and it's. Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

And it's not a. It's hard to argue of sorts. Like, I think there's some. I think there's some truth to it. I don't know if I'm all in on it, but I. It's hard to say. There's no truth at all.

[Brent]

There was an Instagram reel that said it started. It was an instructional reel. I'm telling you what to Google had dramatic. And it says Google direct laser what it does. And small, big doesn't matter. Like they're saying, you're really going there. Let's do a Death Star version of it. But they did direct energy doesn't burn blue and anything blue.

[Tyler]

It doesn't learn blue.

[Brent]

And then all the houses with blue roofs were spared during this fire. And I don't know the validity of it.

[Tyler]

We need to buy one of those. We need to test it here. We need to test it. Like, do it. Like, fuck. We. We were duped. Yeah. We burned the blue. Why is it. It doesn't normally do. This guy. It's like when the guy realized the earth wasn't flat, you know, he's like, I need to do another test or whatever it was.

[Reagan]

Yeah. I need to redo this test to confirm what I'm thinking rather than.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but it. But it goes to the smart city. So those. This is true that they did have those meetings about the smart cities on their plan. To implement those. And you can see it getting built right now in Saudi Arabia. It's called the line, right?

[Reagan]

Yep.

[Tyler]

And they're. It basically, you take a block, what was normally a block, and you just put it all into one little line. And they showed the, like, 3D renderings of this. To put everybody on a digital plan. Well, I would have told you that's crazy. Like, we're never going to go to that. But then I think biblically and I start going down that road.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And to put everyone on a digital currency, you have total control, and that's the implementation of 15 minute cities is to have everybody in one location on renewable energy because oil's bad, you know, or whatever.

[Reagan]

And I mean, if you think about it, we're. We're essentially already on a digital currency. Essentially, yeah. We're already like, if I went to a cash only bar in Vegas, you know what? I wasn't happy about that. I don't have cash on me. Like, what, now I gotta go find cash. I mean, we are essentially now on a. We're a small step away from being on a true digital currency.

[Tyler]

What's your. What's your limit on pulling money out? Like, most of mo. You know how hard it is.

[Reagan]

How much do you think I was gonna drink?

[Tyler]

I'm not gonna say anything.

[Brent]

Yeah, you can't go to a bank and be like, I want 50 grand. Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Gonna take five days. Yeah, your limit is five, sir. I tried to pull out like $2,000 to pay somebody one time, and they were like, yeah, you have a. You have a limit? I think it was. Maybe it was. Yeah, maybe it was just over that. And they're like, yeah, you have a $2,000 limit.

[Brent]

Well, because they have to fight fraud. Like, they have to fight that. People get taken advantage of. And so they'll go to a bank and like, I want $30,000 cash. And they have parameters set to where they're like, we're not going to give it to you because we can't trust that you're not being defrauded.

[Tyler]

Well, it sounds like they need to be better at their job. Banks have been around for how long, you can't figure out, you know, but. No, I do get that argument too, but I just, I see a lot of this if there. If you can follow the money and see who's maybe controlling, doing, you know, the, the, you know, the calm puppets. But you see who's making these moves. It. It makes you kind of lean more towards that. Like, okay, I could see how this I could see how if there was so like Lahaina, the Lahaina fires, pretty much the same playbook happened. They ran out of water.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

Sirens didn't work. What's that?

[Brent]

Hawaii?

[Tyler]

Yeah, Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah. So with those fires, it was a very similar scenario. Like fire insurance, all that went out. Yeah, right before it happened. So it's like, is there something to question?

[Brent]

I'm asking you guys, is it something that it's something should. We should look into?

[Tyler]

That's a good way to say it.

[Reagan]

Is this something to question like, like anything else? I think the problem is with an event whether it's the, the bomber. I won't call him the bomber, but the guy who. The Tesla truck explosion all the way to the Las Vegas shootings at Mandalay Bay. Everything that happens that's large scale to these fires. One of the problem is conspiracies happen because they want everything to be clear cut with like, with answers to absolute everything.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Reagan]

And even when it's true, the reality just isn't all. You're not going to get all the answers that, that you're looking for. But if all the big things you know are there, like it's, it's, it's true. Like not everything is a conspiracy. A conspiracy. But I'll say this. When there's so many of those like, you know, questionable things, we need to look into it. You know, we have to look into it. And there's enough questions on those things where I don't think it's unjust to say we should look into it.

[Tyler]

Like it's like how many, what's the word? How many coincidences?

[Reagan]

Right?

[Tyler]

You know that's right.

[Reagan]

Yeah, that's right. Right. What are the odds of that many coincidence happen?

[Tyler]

Right?

[Reagan]

Okay, well, we have to look into it. I agree, I agree with that. I, in fact, I always agree with, with, with looking into it because if you're right, it only proves, you know, that, that you're right. And if you don't want someone looking into it. Well now I got more questions. Yeah, right.

[Drew]

So that's why every state has an insurance commissioner and it's his job to hold the insurance automatically.

[Brent]

Trust him.

[Tyler]

Exactly.

[Drew]

How many insurance companies have his personal cell phone number?

[Tyler]

Oh, that's, oh, that's something to look into.

[Brent]

I can't believe that they, they pulled the fire insurance. Coincidentally.

[Tyler]

There was, there was one guy that was talking to.

[Reagan]

Didn't really. Again, weak again. Yeah, that's where it's crazy. Like I can't, I can't defend that. Like that's. Someone needs to look into that.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And then. Okay, so then you go into the water. So that's questionable. Right. And then you go into the water and you see the, the person that was in charge of the water department was making 750,000 per year and that was an increase of 350 from the previous general general manager of the water department. That's a proper. That's the proper title.

[Reagan]

That's insane.

[Tyler]

Well what like what 750 to run the water department. And then people don't know this but we have natural flow from Canada down of just of just water. So. And then California had record breaking numbers in rainfall. All those reservoirs were filled up. There was a slight. Well this is what they said. So there's two stories. There's. We drained the reservoirs because we wanted to save this fish because the mixture of salt and fresh water or whatever is good. Which is not proven. There's nobody saying that that's true. But that was their excuse for draining I think 100 million gallons of water. That's the story for fish. For salmon. Right.

[Drew]

Smell.

[Tyler]

Smelt.

[Drew]

Smelt.

[Tyler]

Smelt. Okay.

[Reagan]

Doesn't sound like a fish. I want to say.

[Tyler]

Yeah, sounds dirty but it was. And then the other one was they said that there was a tear in the top for the Palisade specifically for their reservoir. There was a tear in the lining and it was. They're worried about contamination but all that goes through filtration anyways after leaving that reservoir. So it's like we don't want to send contaminated water down. First of all all the water is contaminated.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You look up, you can go to ER EW or maybe ewr.org you can type in your zip code and see what's in your water. It ain't good. It'll.

[Reagan]

Right.

[Tyler]

And you look up the. It's another story. Yeah, yeah.

[Brent]

But to go to.

[Tyler]

But all these coincidences that up is weird.

[Brent]

Look at the right questionable. Look at the riots. The George Soros funded riots. And we were sitting here saying like oh Black Lives Matter and Antifa were doing all this rioting. Yet there is proven piles of provided projectiles that were left unseen. Now somebody wanted those riots to happen. Somebody left those pallets of.

[Tyler]

They dropped them off. Right. They're on corners. So yeah.

[Brent]

To say so even if you're like well this started with arsonists. Like okay let's take the direct beam out of it. There wasn't any arsonists. Could arsonists have been sent there to start Something like this.

[Tyler]

They could have. Yeah. I mean, government has been proven time and time again to. Or. Yeah, government's the right term because it was like the agent provocateurs or whatever that were getting sent to add chaos to stop these protests. Right. Because if you create chaos, then they can step in and you don't have the freedom of speech or the freedom of protest or whatever it is. So then they can stop. They come in, stop it. Because there's been violence caused by the protest. So you'd have people that were either FBI, CIA, I don't know, who dressed up in military grade boots. Everyone had the same shit on. They're like, all right, go. Go start some shit up. So I wouldn't. I mean, I just wouldn't put it past any organization anymore after, you know, all the stuff we find out about January 6th. Yeah.

[Reagan]

To find out that there's actual. When they. When they. He was first questioned by Congress, said, did you have any undercover agents at January 6th or inside the Capitol? And he basically refused to answer it. You know, the first time they painted the corner. Then the investigation comes to find out they had not just one. I forget that the number six or eight. They essentially lied to us.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

And then find out they absolutely, absolutely were. The problem is, I don't expect our government to be perfect, but you leave the door open all these questions when you have unchecked corruptness with. Within your government. And the Biden administration had plenty. I'm sure every administration has some. But they had an agenda. They absolutely had an agenda, a political agenda. And they pushed it. So it can. If it can happen there, it can happen anywhere.

[Tyler]

Well, Fauci got pardoned. For what?

[Reagan]

Fauci.

[Tyler]

Don't we. What do you get pardoned for 15 years? Like what?

[Reagan]

No, that's right. What'd you get again?

[Brent]

Pre pardon.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You got pardoned for anything that could happen, you know. Like what. What was the language of that? Is that public? I don't know. I don't know what that is. But what's the language of that pardon? I wonder what it says.

[Reagan]

We could look it up. I know what you're talking about, but it basically says anything that happened before, during, or after basically just gives them a life, kind of a lifelong.

[Tyler]

You got a hall pass for. For life, basically. That's. That's crazy. That.

[Brent]

That tells Power.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that tells me everything. I feel like I need to know.

[Reagan]

Well, I absolutely know. I know for a fact that, you know, the coronavirus was a. Was a political move way more than it was a health scare or a health. Absolutely.

[Drew]

Going back to what you guys saying about the blm. Absolutely. You know, Trump was in office. Trump was costing rich guys a lot of money because Trump was not a globalist. He was a nationalist. And they wanted them out of power because they were costing other billionaires money.

[Reagan]

I believe that.

[Drew]

That's my. That's my perspective on that. And that's who got behind funding all of that and dropping all that stuff off and. And stirring the pot.

[Tyler]

You said George Soros. George Soros is that he's one of them. Yeah. Okay.

[Reagan]

One of them. Yeah. Yeah. He's. He's made his money on the world economy. When I was looking at maybe doing a. A podcast on them, I looked into the origin of George Soros and how he became a billionaire and where he got all from. That's. He got his money on. On the world market and basically betting on. On currencies to fall.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

And being right a lot. But the. Now that everyone's mad. Bring them back. Reagan. Give us a funny story.

[Tyler]

A funny story.

[Reagan]

No pressure.

[Tyler]

So there was a.

[Reagan]

No pressure. Hurry up.

[Tyler]

Keep going. Come on. There was a. Allegedly there was a. There was a guy.

[Brent]

Allegedly there was a guy.

[Tyler]

It wasn't me. Let me just put that out there. It wasn't me. But a story that I heard there was a. There was a guy in a city that I used to work for. For. We'll call him Jerry. Call him Jerry. He was known for being like the homeless dude. I don't know if you've ever seen it. Have you seen that? Like, so these, A lot of these homeless guys, they. They get. Especially when it was in New Mexico, if they become homeless and like lose their ID it's like 100% ID if you try to buy alcohol. So you can't just go buy alcohol. Even though if you look 80, they're still going to ID you.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Just as like a catch all problem with that is these guys have such a problem that made them homeless in the beginning. My opinion that they now revert to Listerine. The natives had a name for it. They call it the Screaming Blue. Tasuke. The Screaming Blue. I hope that's not racist. So we'll find out. But I've been saying it for a long time, but they call it the Screaming Blue Tesuke. Which is just a Listerine. The. And guys would carry fifths of the small Listerine and they would. And you'd get them in the ambulance and you would just smell Listerine. You couldn't use mouthwash because all you'd smell is like a vomit. Nasty smell mixed with Listerine. It was not. It was not good.

[Reagan]

Great breath. The homies had great breath, though.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And they would always be passed out. Like, it would fuck them up. That mixture, like, mixed with a hand sanitizer apparently was, like, the cocktail. Gosh, very common when I was there. Well, I remember we were coming back. Well, my buddy was coming back from a. Was coming back from a call and was bitching about Jerry, and he's like, dude, this month, it's like every time we're about to work out, we get a papa call for old Jerry. During our workout time, we're trying to get a lift in, and then we're like, all right, let's stop and get something to eat. So we pull into. I don't know if it was McDonald's or Wendy's or something. We were getting some. Don't judge me, but some nasty food, right? So we. We stopped, we're in the drive through, and my buddy happens to look over to the right and see Jerry in the bushes, like, passed out, just. And he's like, fuck. He's like. And he looks over the driver, and he says, jerry's right here. Like, he doesn't look alive.

[Reagan]

So our workouts in the future should be good.

[Tyler]

Yeah, exactly. And he's like, fuck, now we have to get out and do our job. So we get out, and it was just funny because the whole time, the whole ride back, just bitching about him, and then we're trying to get something to eat, get back, we're talking about working out. We're excited to eat and get back and work out. And then you look over to the right, and there's Jerry again, passed out in the bushes. And. But that's a common place that we'd always find him. So it was more funny when we were there. Cause it's just. You look over, you're like, holy shit, there he is, just sitting there, passing.

[Reagan]

It's always Jerry.

[Tyler]

It's always Jerry. But the screaming blue was something that. It was very, very common, like the homeless there. But I haven't seen it at all here.

[Brent]

Oh, it's here. When I was a young cop, I always wondered why these guys always had bottles of Listerine around them.

[Tyler]

Oh, you didn't know yet.

[Brent]

I had no idea.

[Tyler]

They want that fresh bread.

[Brent]

At least we could do is have good breath.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that man.

[Reagan]

I wonder what Jerry's doing.

[Brent]

I wonder how he is.

[Tyler]

You know, Those is crazy.

[Reagan]

Probably gonna Live forever.

[Tyler]

He probably is not vaccinated. Guarantee it. So he's doing good. The immune system on them has got to be insane, right? Listerine every single day. I'm not kidding.

[Brent]

Every.

[Tyler]

They had a special spot for me, you know, it was like, oh, just. Yeah, put Jerry's room. Jerry over there. You know where he goes? He'd just be passed out.

[Reagan]

Could you imagine that? But if it's funny. But on a serious note, that homeless guy. Roast me if you want. I don't care. Not a plus to society at all. I'm not saying we gotta go out here and start, you know, eradicating. They're. They're a minus on society.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

How much taxpayer dollars. 24 million that homeless guy has cost.

[Brent]

Every ambulance ride, every ambulance ride, every.

[Tyler]

Hospital visit, they will straight up tell you, I just need a ride downtown. And you have, like, you have to take them. And then it becomes. When you can finally implement something to change that and tell them, and then you get like admin involved and they finally get on board. Then they learn. They're like, my chest hurts.

[Reagan]

Right?

[Tyler]

I need to go downtown because that's the ER I want to go to.

[Reagan]

I know. It's the problem. I don't know you can do about it. Because as, as, as, as humans, it's not like you're like, oh, like now you're. You're really hurt. You know, you're a leech on society. You don't get to go to the hospital. You. You have to die right there. Like that. That's. That's not my answer to it. I don't know what the answer is. I just know it's a problem. And it's.

[Drew]

Well, I know he doesn't have a gingivitis problem.

[Tyler]

It's. It's like, what, What. What is this? Because that's. That's a great. What is the solution? I don't know, but it's not throwing $24 billion to it. I know that because case studies are good, right? Like, you can absolutely see it in real time. And you see that it didn't work for California, only got worse. You had a homeless dude eating a leg on the side. Did you see that clip? Have you seen that?

[Brent]

No.

[Reagan]

Have you seen the chicken leg?

[Tyler]

A real leg? A human leg? What? There was someone videoing it was that story in California. All I saw I was a video. And that. First of all, where'd you get the leg? Is a homeless dude eaten? It was a real human leg. Someone was filming it and turns out I guess it was someone. I don't know if it was another homeless that got ran over by a train. And this other guy saw it, took the leg, was like walking up the sidewalk, putting his face in it. And it's a real, real thing.

[Reagan]

Who.

[Tyler]

So you're like this just homeless dude walking around eating a chicken leg. So. And that was a couple years ago now, maybe.

[Reagan]

What happened? Yeah, that was like.

[Brent]

That was like a. I thought that was.

[Tyler]

That's when we implemented ketamine into like most departments protocols was like ketamine because they'd show us all the videos of the zombie apocalypse. Basically this is dudes eating.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Going on people and stuff. Because that was. That was like 2017, 2016 or something like that. I think when that was, that was a big deal, so.

[Reagan]

Well, dang.

[Drew]

Got a funny story and a crazy story.

[Reagan]

Yeah, I know. 2 Reagan, thanks for calling the show, man. I'm looking forward to ending this and talking to you about the moon landing and how it's real.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Having you apologize to me and. And our. And our astronauts about that.

[Tyler]

Well, no one saw that. Brent admitted the moon landing was faked. He's just not one admit it just yet. We convinced him.

[Brent]

Dude, you've got to see Brent. Why now?

[Tyler]

Now we got to show you the takeoff video. I was showing them last night.

[Reagan]

Like I.

[Brent]

How is this real?

[Tyler]

I was like, bro, tell me if this is you, tell me. Just look at this video.