"COPS" Star JERRY WURMS In Studio!! (07/01/2026)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Antihero Broadcast | “COPS” Star JERRY WURMS In Studio!! (07/01/2026)

Date: July 2, 2026
Host(s): Dom, Mike
Special Guests: Jerry Worms (OG “COPS” deputy, Broward Co.), John Hobgood (comedian known for cop parody skits)
Listeners: News-entertainment for veterans, first responders, blue collar Americans

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes retired law enforcement legend Jerry Worms—the “OG” from the very first episode of “COPS”—for his first in-studio appearance. The panel addresses hot-button law enforcement and blue-collar issues, including the Supreme Court’s transgender sports ruling, viral “cop influencer” behaviors, tragic local news, and the vital role of community among those who serve. The second half brings on viral comedian John Hobgood (“not a cop, just really good at acting like one”) to talk about cop-parody skits that deeply resonate with police and first responders, plus more on comedy, challenge coins, and agency culture.

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1. Jerry Worms Returns: From “COPS” to the Studio (06:47–07:25)

• Background:
  • Jerry Worms moved back to Florida after several years away.
  • Celebrated for his key role on the very first “COPS” episode (Broward County), famous for direct “old school” policing and iconic catchphrases.
  • Now active on social media, connecting with fans and current officers.

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2. Supreme Court Transgender Sports Ruling (07:34–13:02)

Timestamps:

• Coverage Begins: 07:34

• Panel Reactions: 09:15–13:02

• Key Points:

  • U.S. Supreme Court rules states may bar transgender athletes from girls’ sports (6–3 ruling).
  • Discussion centers on physical differences, fairness in competition, and the “common sense” rationale for separating male/female sports.
  • Panel universally opposes males competing in female sports; see it as “absurd this is even a debate.”
  • Jerry Worms: “One of the Supreme Court justices couldn’t even define what a woman was.” (09:33)
  • Mike shares a personal story about his own son wrestling a girl, questioning the social/psychological lessons of mixed-gender competition.
  • Deeper criticism of modern “low T society” and expectation confusion.

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3. Gender, Physical Standards, and First Responder Culture (13:12–18:40)

Timestamps:

• Discussion Begins: 13:12

• Lowering Standards: 16:50

• Summary: 18:40

• Key Points:

  • Parallels drawn between sports debates and standards in police, fire, and military fields.
  • The panel is critical of affirmative hiring targets (e.g., “30% female”) if those hired cannot meet previous standards.
  • Acknowledgement that many men also fail physical standards; “men are letting us down too.”
  • “Highlighting the female that is probably qualified is important... it’s just, statistically, less frequent.” – Mike (15:18)
  • Admiration expressed for truly elite female officers but disdain for those who “get pushed through” despite not qualifying.
  • Warning: Lowering standards for ideological reasons puts everyone (officers and public) at risk.

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4. “Copfluencer” Epidemic: Social Media, Ethics, and Policy (18:59–39:10)

Timestamps:

• Female Cop Selling in Uniform: 19:08

• Policy & Agency Laxity: 24:29

• Slippery Slope of Using the Badge: 27:17, 30:48

• Sexualization & Social Media Culture: 22:15–24:29, 34:00

• Key Points:

  • The “get-ready-with-me” and product hawking trend among female cops is dissected—seen as antithetical to “real police work.”
  • “Just watching a girl put her uniform on... what is that doing for police work?” – Jerry Worms (21:02)
  • Strict criticism for agencies that allow officers (male or female) to monetize official status (e.g., selling makeup, hair products) on TikTok and Instagram.
  • Broader worries about glamorization, sexualization, and the “trickle down effect” on future female recruits; “sets young girls up for failure.”
  • “Without the uniform, they’re nobody. That part is a mental illness.” – Mike (28:05)
  • Panel highlights possible policy violations, gender and professional double standards, and dangers of crossing personal brand with sworn authority.
  • Notable moment: Jerry quips, “What if the chief or the sheriff is getting a kickback?” (29:16)
  • Consistent warning: “Where do you draw the line?”—danger of on-duty selling during actual police work, potential for misuse.

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5. Heavy Local News: Line-of-Duty & Florida Wildlife Tragedies (41:07–54:48)

Timestamps:

• Marine Missing at Sea: 39:22

• Florida Alligator Fatality: 41:07

• 9-1-1 audio: 43:48

• Alligator Stories (Jerry’s policing career): 47:27–54:02

• Stories Covered:

  • Young Marine, Lance Corporal Armando Ortiz, missing at sea; search and recovery efforts fail—solemn reflection on sacrifice.
  • Orlando woman killed by a 13-ft gator while swimming where posted warnings existed.
    – Panel stresses Florida wildlife common sense: “Do not swim in rivers and ponds marked for gators.”
  • Jerry shares tales of gator calls, wrestling, and humane (sometimes) trapper outcomes.
  • “I have had several alligator calls... big Rottweiler was fetching a tennis ball, an alligator came up and snatched the dog right in front of the kid.” – Jerry Worms (47:33)
  • Memorable image: Jerry once subdued a live, 13-ft alligator himself while on duty.

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6. Jerry on Leadership & Policing Culture Shift (54:02–56:57)

• Notable moment: Old school leadership meant “leading by example,” staying on the street, doing paperwork to support the team, giving candid but discreet feedback.
• Quote: “How do you evaluate somebody unless you’re out there working with them?” – Jerry (55:52)
• Loss of this “active, present” leadership lamented in modern departments.

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7. Special Guest: Comedian John Hobgood (62:03–92:13)

Timestamps:

• Intro: 62:03

• Comedy Origin & Cop Impressions: 63:40–64:56

• Challenge Coins & Cop Culture: 68:09–70:36

• Skits as Therapy & Faith Influence: 72:18–73:40

• Georgia State Patrol & Trooper Stereotypes: 74:06–78:35

• SWAT & Motorcycle Cop Skit Ideas: 81:03–82:56

• Family-friendly comedy discussion: 72:18–73:40, 66:35–66:54

• Community Impact: 73:26–73:40

• Key Points:

  • John explains his parody cop skits are inspired by “growing up loving cops” and personal experiences, not by policing background.
  • His videos are viral because of their uncanny accuracy—especially backup officers, boating stops, and “hang tight for me” cop clichés.
  • Appreciated by real cops: “I would have lost a bet... you could have fooled me, dude.” – Dom (66:54)
  • Commitment to non-vulgar, family-friendly jokes, reflecting his Christian faith and desire to “provide value and laughter for everyone.”
  • John has received life-saving feedback: “...I was on the verge of committing suicide... these videos helped me get through.” (73:26)
  • New merch (Code One Threads) “seasonal drops” in the works—plans to build on viral phrases like “OK, alright.”
  • Panel suggests new skits: challenge coin collecting, SWAT stereotypes, motorcycle officers.
  • On stand-up: John prefers controlled, creative video production—live comedy “is a whole different world.”

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8. Community, Mental Health, and Brotherhood (92:13–96:15)

• Listener request: Shout-out and prayers for Bryson Thomas, a Marine lost to suicide.
• The Antihero community’s core mission: provide support, open-door policies, and a family environment for first responders struggling with mental health.
• Mike: “There’s always somebody to talk to... I take pride in answering the messages.”
• Real stories of members reaching out during tough times, converting “haters” to supporters through direct, honest connection.

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9. Would Jerry Be a Cop Today? Reflections, Agency Culture, and Standards (95:31–101:52)

• Would Jerry do it again?
  • Yes, but only after researching agency culture and supportiveness.
  • Importance of physical appearance and “presence” in deterrence and effectiveness; criminals “size up” the officer.
  • Leaders need to ensure standards without compromise—for safety and respect.

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10. Stand Your Ground: The Dad Who Became Sheriff (102:14–108:52)

Timestamps:

• Story begins: 102:14

• Hot News: Arkansas vet Aaron Spencer, previously arrested for shooting his daughter’s alleged rapist as the man left with her late at night, wins sheriff’s election against the incumbent who pressed charges.

• All charges were dropped, citing misconduct and missing key evidence by prior administration.

• Panel universally supports Spencer’s actions as a father. “You’d lose your mind” – Jerry (104:33)

• “You are a father first, job comes second.” – Mike (108:21)

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11. Bonus: “First Amendment Auditor” Sean Reyes Case (108:53–117:50)

• Analysis: Reyes was arrested for trespass at a police union building after being told to leave—but panel shows video proving he was walking out as directed.
• Mike: “If you’re emasculated by a grown man with a microphone, what do you do with a real threat?”
• Panel leans pro-First Amendment, sees the arrest as “bad,” union culture as sometimes enabling poor officer discipline.

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12. Quickfire: Jerry’s Closing and Community Plugs (117:56–121:10)

• Jerry is active answering DMs—available for support, advice, and case/video breakdowns.
• Family news: Son lands a new project engineer job; wife gets a loving shout out (“She was in high school when I was on COPS!”).
• Jerry’s age: 71 years young, still sharp, still “gets down in the hood.”
• Panel hails community, encourages all listeners to get involved, reach out, and never face their problems alone: “There’s never a bad day with these guys.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jerry on TikTok police influencers: “Completely useless. Just watching a girl put her uniform on... what is that doing for police work?” (21:02)
• Dom on modern recruiting: “We’re setting these girls up to go, ‘I’m going to become a cop—even though I can’t shoot, never been in a fight, I’ll squeak past, then I’ll start making the videos.’” (35:35)
• Mike on social media mindset: “Without the uniform, they’re nobody. That part is a mental illness.” (28:05)
• Jerry on presence: “If you have that presence that somebody looks at you and they go—this is a guy I might not want to [mess] with... that makes a big difference.” (97:17)
• John Hobgood on satire’s power: “Even simple skit comedy could maybe pull somebody out of a dark time... laughter is the best medicine.” (73:26)

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Key Timestamps for Topic Jumps

• 07:34 — Supreme Court transgender sports ruling
• 13:12 — Physical standards for first responders
• 19:08 — Female cops selling on TikTok
• 30:48 — Professional/ethical boundaries in social media use
• 41:07 — Tragic alligator attack, 9-1-1 call audio
• 54:02 — Jerry describes old school police leadership
• 62:03 — Comedian John Hobgood joins
• 68:09 — Challenge coins, agency quirks, and cop culture
• 72:18 — Skit comedy’s positive reach; faith and family-friendliness
• 95:31 — Would you join policing again today?
• 102:14 — Dad who killed alleged rapist & won sheriff’s race
• 108:53 — First Amendment Auditor incident analysis
• 117:56 — Final words, community support, and Jerry’s outreach

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Final Thoughts

This expansive episode blends sharp, sometimes irreverent commentary (consistent with the “antihero” brand) with heartfelt advocacy for standards, support, and real-world wisdom for anyone in policing, service, or the working class. Classic tales from Jerry Worms ground the show in “old school” lessons, while guest comedian John Hobgood’s rise shows the value of humor—even for a community soaked in grim headlines. The show ultimately fights for camaraderie, common sense, and standing up for what’s right—on the street and off.

Find Jerry on Instagram: @Jerry.Wurms
Follow John Hobgood: @JohnHobgood
Community Links: Discord, Patreon, antiheroapp.com

“There’s never a bad day with these guys.” (Dom, 92:13)

Transcript

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[Jerry Worms]

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[Dom]

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[John Hobgood]

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[Mike]

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[John Hobgood]

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[Mike]

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[Dom]

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[Mike]

You ready?

[Dom]

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[Dom]

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[Mike]

And then the Patreon, don't forget the Patreon. That's the OG place. That we started it all two tiers in Patreon, where you can hang out. Get back. I'm just gonna say back door. Behind the scenes, information on the show. Exclusive lives that are only advertising. Patreon, you get to see Hoover trying to run. You get to see me trying to run. You get a little bit more interaction with the boys. And if you want to be even cooler than that, way cooler than the deli, you join the antiheroapp.com which is our own social media network all in one built by the dudes right here that support the antihero broadcast and the counterculture guys. So it's our homegrown app. No fees. Go to anybody else. It stays in house. So go to the antiheroapp.com. that's where the OGs go to post vid they post. You can post in there. Not unlike Patreon, where you can only comment. You can post in the app. You can interact in the app. All the shows are in the app. It is the coolest place other than the other side of the pillow. So make sure you join the entire app attheantiapp.com.

[Dom]

yeah. Because, I mean, you can go sign up for Patreon, even the lowest tier,

[Mike]

and you get some stuff.

[Dom]

Yeah, yeah. But they still charge you money. Extra. Patreon takes out of of the money. Then Apple charges you more. So now you're paying two other entities before you can even pay us. The app takes out all of that. So, yes, we do post on Patreon, but the app is where we're the most active. It's a good time in there, Jerry.

[Jerry Worms]

Yes, Jerry.

[Dom]

Jerry Worms in the house. The OG The OG I'm back in Florida.

[Mike]

Back in Florida. Moved back to Florida, which is important.

[Jerry Worms]

I moved back to Florida last month.

[Dom]

You ready for the Florida summer?

[Jerry Worms]

Absolutely. I've. I've gone through it before.

[Dom]

My whole life.

[Jerry Worms]

It's not like I don't know about it.

[Mike]

For those who have lived under a rock their whole life, Jerry Worms is the pioneer. First episode, day one of Cops, Broward County Sheriff's office. He coined some of the best phrases in history of law enforcement. Like, I'm the only white face in the neighborhood. If you don't stop, I'll shoot you in the back. Jerry is his first trip to the studio. You've been on remote, so welcome to the studio, Jerry.

[Jerry Worms]

Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

[Mike]

Good. Just a little closer.

[Dom]

Okay.

[Mike]

We'll get you a social media star. Jerry Brook. 3,000 followers this morning. So, yeah, we're we're rolling one over

[Jerry Worms]

3,000,

[Dom]

so let's, let's kick it off. First thing is, I mean, like, anything that actually matters, there's not much to it, but we're gonna check out the Supreme Court ruling that says transgender athletes are. Are not to be in sports. Now, this is obviously a state by state basis, but Fox News covered it, so maybe we'll just. We don't have to watch an ad. Maybe we'll just check out what they said. Of course we gotta watch an ad. All right.

[Mike]

Ninja transfers.

[Dom]

What? Okay, I'll. I'll handle it. The Supreme Court has established a new nationwide precedent that allows states to protect women's sports. The justices ruled in favor of West Virginia and Idaho on Tuesday against trans athletes who sued to gain access to girls sports. The states were backed by the law firm Alliance Defending Freedom adf, while the trans athletes were represented by the American Civil Liberties Union, aclu and coolly legal. In the highly anticipated rulings, the court upheld state laws requiring student athletes to compete on sports teams that correspond with their biological sex at birth rather than their gender identity. The Supreme Court ruled 6, 3. And like I said, this pretty much gives states rights. So now states can determine on their own whether or not boys will be dominating in girl sports.

[Jerry Worms]

You still might have some states that don't agree.

[Dom]

Yeah, I think one of them's all obviously going to be old California.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

But I mean, what, you, you came from a different era than us.

[Jerry Worms]

Yes.

[Dom]

How preposterous is this to you, that this even has to be a thing?

[Jerry Worms]

Well, one of the Supreme Court justices couldn't even define what a woman was

[Dom]

really, when they asked her.

[Jerry Worms]

Yes.

[Dom]

So was she doing it on purpose to make a point or. She really couldn't.

[Mike]

She wasn't. She.

[Jerry Worms]

She wouldn't answer the question.

[Dom]

She probably wasn't appointed by Trump, was she?

[Jerry Worms]

No, no.

[Mike]

If you notice, it's a lot of the rulings are six, three. There's three bad ones. Yeah, yeah, Three bad ones.

[Dom]

Bad apples.

[Mike]

Yeah, there's three bad apples. If you notice, a lot of the rulings are six, three.

[Dom]

I mean, so do you. I don't. I don't have a daughter or kids of that age. I mean. But I mean, Mike, how would you feel if your daughter was playing a sport and she had to compete, especially on a one on one. So this is. Sports is obviously one thing where there's teams involved, but one on one or when you're on your own trying to compete, like wrestling, swimming, where it matters, your Match matters to the team, but your. Your performance matters a lot as opposed to just being a team sport like volleyball or football. And she's like, dad, dude, I. I'm competing against the male. What advice do you give her?

[Mike]

Listen, it goes. It goes both ways. Because again, I. I just. You have men's sports and women's sports for a reason. There was a reason way back whenever, before we were low T humans, and everybody got confused about the basics. There was men's sports and there was women's sports. There was a reason, right?

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I experienced it on the other end. My son wrestled and had to wrestle a girl, and it was awkward for him.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

It was like, do I slam her? Like, I would. Everybody. And I remember feeling for him after the May one, but I was like, he's like, dad, that was strange. Like, you know, it's a girl, and. And then you start throwing the wrong clothes and the wrong parts and really put it in a blender. Yeah. I mean, for a female, you've seen it over and over where. Weightlifting record broken by female lifter. And it's a dude, and it's like, no. Or swimming or. I don't even understand the basic. Like, I can't. I would probably be an activist or somebody that you'd see on the TV getting a drug out of a council meeting. Yeah, I would. I would lose my mind.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Because it creates. Even in the male. Like I said, my son wrestling a girl. Imagine if he lost. No, that sucks.

[John Hobgood]

Right? But.

[Mike]

Or he took it easy and lost on points because he's like, I don't really, really throw this girl around.

[Dom]

How do you explain that to your son?

[Mike]

Or how does he explain it to everybody else? Like, hey, though, I got beat by a girl now, fair and square. If it's like, all out, but do you let up? We all by nature like a undeveloped. I think he was in sixth or seventh grade.

[Dom]

What are you teaching a sixth grader when it says, well, when it matters, you got to whoop the. Out of a female. Female. So he's like, okay, so he learns that. And now in a. In a brain that's. It's learning and it's a sponge. You're teaching him at a young age that, hey, man, when it comes down to winning, you got to do what you got to do. And it's not a protector mindset. And I didn't even think about that. I wrestled when I was probably 6, 4, 5, 6. For a couple years. And I remember I wrestled against girls. And because swimming is different in the sense that you're not physically. And weightlifting. You're not physically.

[Mike]

There's not combat. It's non combat.

[Dom]

Yes.

[Mike]

It's not non combative. But when you get into like any of those other sports, just, you know, baseball, a man is going to hit a ball harder.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So if he's in softball and he's a girl, a boy, and he's gonna hit the ball harder. There's just things that are.

[Dom]

I don't.

[Mike]

Like I said, I don't even know what we're talking about. It, it makes no sense to me. It's the most ridiculous thing. It's like trying to convince me one and one isn't two. It's like it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to even have a discussion about it.

[John Hobgood]

So.

[Jerry Worms]

But back in the day this wasn't even an issue.

[Mike]

No, I believe it wasn't. Oh, my dad had some words for these things that I remember hearing that definitely didn't make it.

[Dom]

One of the things that we've covered on the show extensively too is, you know, in law enforcement, in the military, which we cover a lot of topics in, it's argued that women, right, wrong or indifferent, whatever level you want, should be treated as equal to men. And we always said, you know, in sports, like when people care about something like can you imagine what the world would do and how bad women would have. How bad it would make women look? Every basketball fan, you. The. The NBA announced a summer or not summer, but 2027, the best of the WNBA is going to be entering the NBA. I think the dudes would lose their mind.

[Mike]

Oh, the game would be ugly. Be above 200, nothing.

[Dom]

And, and it, it just can't have a good game like that. Since when it comes to things that people care about like sports, they're like, well, yeah, women and men aren't equal physically. Physically they're not equal. But when it comes to first responder and military, well, they're equal. Like I just, Mike's and me are very good at having these discussions about women being in law enforcement. But the, the reality of being able to carry a 225 guy that's dead weight out of a danger zone. It could be challenging for a woman physically.

[Jerry Worms]

Absolutely. I mean even firefighters, you know, you can compare. Firefighters have to pull people out.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

Burning cars and stuff like that.

[Dom]

And they.

[Jerry Worms]

Somebody weighs 250 pounds, they're gonna have a hard time doing it.

[Dom]

And I've seen Pete and I've seen everybody, like I always say You. When you have. When you're trying to do a controlled experiment, you don't. You. You don't measure outliers, right? Outliers, when we learned it in sixth grade, are outliers for a reason. If you got a compilation of data right here and then you've got something out here, you actually nix that outlier when you make out the averages because it doesn't mix with anything else. So it's called an outlier. So when you see a firefighter that's 225 pounds ripped, and if she's a female, she's an outlier, in my opinion. In my opinion, yeah, all of them are.

[Mike]

You have few in law enforcement as well. I mean, I, you know, I try to post. You know, I get. We have. It is what it is about the cops. We know how Izzo feels. We know how, you know, you guys are a little stronger than me, but I guess it's. Highlighting the female that is probably qualified is important to me. When there's a few that far between that come along because it's. It's not impossible, but it's very, very. It's not as frequently as people think that they're. That if they're fully capable, and that's strength, endurance, all those things that go into it, and it's. It's dangerous. I think we were talking about it yesterday. I was talking about it just with promotions and transfers and. Oh, they'll just be a. Well, she'll come along and then we'll put her over here. It doesn't work because she still has to drive to work every day and could encounter a active shooter, could encounter a male on the side of the road that's three times her size. So you can't really hide them. And then why would you. Why would you hire somebody? Like, put a. Like put a guy on the football team? Like, we need 11 guys. We have all these other. The 11th guy, we really like him. He's cannot run. He can't. He can't do anything right. But we like him. So he's going to be on the team. And it's like, well, we have a hole here. Not saying females can't do their job because there are capable females, but it's not. Definitely not as many as what we see. And then to have a number like 30, 30 on top of it, where they say we're going to add 30% by a certain year, it's like, well, your percentage right now isn't all qualified. So how do you add, like, double that?

[Jerry Worms]

In four years you lower the standard.

[Mike]

Yes. Well, yeah, that's what you do. Yes, exactly.

[Dom]

That's what add.

[Mike]

Yeah. Oh, we just lower the standard. Yeah.

[Dom]

Somebody made a great point though, which goes to what Mike says all the time. What percentage of male cops or firefighters can drag a 225 male? Yeah, that's a, that's another. When we, when we sit here and we talk about women physically being able to do the job, we also have to acknowledge the fact that men are letting us down too.

[Mike]

Oh yes, but, but by nature.

[Dom]

By nature, yeah.

[Mike]

An uneven and not a very unfit male at 5 11, £270 maybe can barely breathe. He's still strong enough to do it. Maybe he can't go far. And that's still a problem. I'm not absolving it. But by nature an out of shaped man or a moderately shaped man at a normal size is just going to be stronger. Now like I said, there's one officer ao I always put her up there. She's, she's the one that was shooting in her garage that everybody on. She's small but she's can row a bazillion miles. She can shoot, she can do crossfit competitions and shooting competitions and fitness competitions. So you would argue that she could probably move a 225 pound man more effectively than an out of shape average man because of her endurance and her conditioning.

[Dom]

So.

[Mike]

But that's an exception to the rule. Like I always bring my wife up, but my wife is an exception to the rule. That is, that is not normal for a female to be that dedicated to shooting, fitness training.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

What do we see? We got a story later on about they like to sell stuff on duty and make silly tick tocks. That's, that's the norm. I can't open tick tock. It makes me sick. It's just female after female dancing. So to bring it all back to what we're talking about, this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There's no reason for any trans athlete, anybody to in a sport that they're not biologically born into to be in that sport. It's stupid. Yeah, stupid.

[Dom]

We have to have these discussions.

[Mike]

Yeah, we do. Unfortunately. Yeah. Somebody will find a problem with it.

[Dom]

J 20 pounds, which probably equates to like 23American dollars. 26. Thank you. Jay, towards the extra pepperoni on the pizza.

[Jerry Worms]

Okay.

[Dom]

Sounds out of context. If you don't know that we order pizzas to the studio. That just sounds weird.

[Mike]

It does sound weird. It sounds like an inside joke.

[Dom]

All right, moving on. Let's cover that. Let's cover that. Female now, because we. We forgot yesterday. So selling products in uniform. Speaking of, this is a new one. Now, say, is it Kissimmee or S Cloud?

[Mike]

Kissimmee.

[Dom]

And do we.

[Mike]

The other body was at St. Philadelphia.

[Dom]

Ah, okay. So it might be the area that they're in where this is. She might have gotten inspiration from K. Kaylee.

[Mike]

Well, they're. They're. They all do it. And I have. I have old videos I had actually saved from last year. They came up my time hop. This is a national epidemic of female cops where Jared and I were talking about this on the way here. Getting ready on video, which is then in their uniform. And then they're selling hair products, lip gloss. This was Arrest My Vest, which. They're a clown company. They sponsor a bunch of clown meetups for Tick Tock influencers to sell. This product might be a good product. I would never use it because of who you use to sell it. But they're using their badge. This is where I get into it. They're using their badge and their uniform to generate income. That's not a problem to me. If you don't have explicit permission from your agency, which I don't know where they would give you permission to go, use our uniform in your government status.

[Dom]

The agency is not private, correct? Yeah.

[Mike]

It's not there to make money that way. And it's going to take more news networks, I think, to run these stories finally and start highlighting these people to get them to stop and, oh, Mike, they're just having fun. They're just making a little extra money. If your mindset is to put your uniform on and get dressed on camera for no reason and then to use it to make money, you're not being a good cop. You're not mentally prepared. You're not looking at the real dangers of this job, which are serious. We see it every day. We break down all the videos. You're doing it for the wrong reason. I know. Jerry, you said this on the way here about the girls getting ready. Like what? You see that as a 19. A 1989 Power County dude running around. What does it. What do you see when you see some getting ready on video?

[Jerry Worms]

Completely useless. I mean, just watching a girl put her uniform on and get dressed and comb her hair, put the lipstick on it. It. What. What is that doing for police work?

[Dom]

Yeah. And I will say this before we play this video because we'll have more to talk about after we Play the video. I think cops, lots of cops, just like maybe in the military too. But for this particular scenario, cops, I think a lot of people join thinking that they're going to become some kind of hero status. And when they become a cop and they realize society does not care that you're your co workers, don't care you're a cop. Your friends and family really don't care that you're a cop. I feel like the next thing as well, I need some recognition. So I'm going to start doing these Get Ready with Me videos and get these sponsorships so I can stand out even further because getting the badge didn't do it enough for me.

[Mike]

It is so bad. Like the two worst I think are Kaylee, who still has for some reason wears spandex tight skin clothing with a gun. But she was. But she still works for companies that sell. One of them's over there that sells right there on the front. Your tape.

[Dom]

We don't know that. She was just collabed in a video with them.

[Mike]

So. But like other gun products, you'll see this girl wearing tight shorts and a tube top which you don't wear to the range anyway with guns, shooting guns.

[Dom]

It's the difference between the girl doing it in the garage and Kaylee doing it.

[Mike]

She's not really shooting.

[Dom]

She's not.

[Mike]

Kelly's shooting at a range where brass is flying around and like that's not what you wear to the range. The other girl's practicing dry fire but still filming herself.

[John Hobgood]

Yes.

[Mike]

Yeah. Working out. Working out. I have a really. I have a really cool video of Kaylee dropping a certain word you're not supposed to say too.

[Dom]

The N word.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dom]

In a rap video.

[Mike]

Yeah, I have it on my phone.

[Dom]

No, Sean Strickland says we can say it now.

[Mike]

Okay, but. And then you have Haley Mirabelli, who is the other one who has just lived off of unfortunate. The unfortunate death of Ella French. And. And that video was just released recently in Chicago where she was shot and killed. Terrible tragedy. But like uses the status as her friend to then like start a clothing line and products and sells him on duty. Again, completely unrepaired. She's out of shape. I can't shoot. I've seen her shoot. There's nothing good about her. And then takes it to the next level where this is where it gets dangerous. And writes a book about how to get in the academy and what to expect. And you're getting this from a complete. And that's the one. Annie Frisella had on that. That he pandered to Haley Mirabelli, which she is the example of what not to be. There are females. I'll make the same list as I made good places to work. There are females out there. There's a honey badger girl that has like a canine that's in super shape. Takes serious. My wife is one that the officer AO is one. There's. There's several out there that I would say, hey, I'll direct you to these people if you're a female and you want to know what it's really like. But don't get sucked into a Haley Mirabelli or Kaylee or this other girl here in Kissimmee that makes you think that putting your boots on and walking around in uniform is anything but a tragedy. And then the problem is they sexualize the badge. And sexual harassment is a huge problem in law enforcement. It is. It's a real problem that men cannot control themselves by nature. Dom talks about it, but then they take it and they almost encourage these young girls to come on the job and sexualize it, which just creates more of a problem for females in the job. It is like. It's like taking all the oil out of your car and then driving down the road. You're completely setting some up for failure to not operate properly when you follow one of these females.

[Jerry Worms]

Have you. Have you looked into the agencies policy dealing with on Tick Tock videos by their employees?

[Mike]

Dom is good about. He was on a war there for a while. He was up to like 8. He had like removed from social media. Most agencies are PO dump small and they think it's cool. That's what we're running to is like, obviously I don't think Kissimmee's gonna think it's cool. I would suspect they're gonna tell her to stop.

[Dom]

Well, I've read the thing. It says video of a Kissimmee police department detective. Major crimes, by the way.

[Mike]

Four years.

[Dom]

Went

[Mike]

four years, bro. Four years.

[Dom]

Major case. Major crimes is literally anything but homicide. Sometimes places around the country don't have a homicide unit, it falls in their major case. Yes, Major case is a big deal. That is where the best detectives go for the most complex cases. Four years on the job.

[Mike]

Four years. You're not a cop till five. In my opinion, you're not even. You've really got to figure it out around 5. Some guys are a little faster, but

[Dom]

that's any agency or that's any job. You're not really. I mean, you look at a Job you do for 20 years, you're really not like you don't understand the job for five years. I don't care if you deliver pizzas. You're not the best delivery driver anyway. It says detective advertising products for sale on Tick Tock while dressed in her uniform are being reviewed by the agency for potential policy violations. I can't read her name. Million. Whatever. A detective who works in the department's major crime manages a personal Tick Tock account that includes videos of her in private and professional activities. Like many law enforcement agencies, the Kissimmee police department allows employees to express themselves as private citizens on social media sites if the content does not negatively impact their duties or their agencies. All right, so let's check out this video.

[Jerry Worms]

Interested?

[Dom]

I'm gonna have a link down below. If you see the orange cart, that means it's still available. This video shows a detective with the Kissimmee police department in uniform advertising a product for sale on her personal Tick Tock page. Shortly after News 6 began asking questions about it, the TikTok video disappeared. Florida law enforcement officers are generally allowed to post photos and videos on social media, but many agencies have rules limiting what those officers can share. You guys are new here. My name is Million, and I've been in law enforcement for going on four years now. In July, like some of her fellow

[Mike]

officers, short of four years, A tik

[Dom]

Tok page featuring both personal and professional content, including these clips that appear to show her posing at her death. If you want to smell like a vanilla cake with heavy caramel drizzle and whipped cream on cream by Cod Lodge, Many of her videos advertise products for sale. And I'm gonna have it linked down

[Mike]

below for you guys.

[Dom]

To be clear, Mike, you have no issues with most of these videos because she's not utilizing her directly utilizing her uniform. Now, she does indirectly, overall broad scope, use the fact that she's a female cop, but in these videos.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's a tough.

[Dom]

That's.

[Mike]

That's a. Because is it. I look at it like a search horn. Is it fruits of the poisonous tree? Without the uniform, she's nobody. She's just a dime a dozen.

[Dom]

You the. To you. You would prefer to see if someone's gonna sell products. Any man, woman, anything. Have a separate side gig where if you saw it, you'd be like, I had no idea that person was a cop.

[Jerry Worms]

Exactly.

[Mike]

I. I believe that's the case. I I mean, you. It's. That is a tough line. Obviously, the badge, the.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I You know, but

[Dom]

you can't.

[Mike]

In my opinion, if you're. The point is they're nobody without the uniform. That's my point. It's a mental. That part is a mental illness. They're nobody without the uniform. If they just started a tick tock tomorrow and said, I'm gonna sell these

[Dom]

little orange rings, no one would care.

[Mike]

Nobody's gonna care.

[Dom]

You are.

[Mike]

You'd have to pay money. You'd have to get some type of viral video. You'd have to get involved in something controversial to get yourself past. Like, I'm just.

[Dom]

What would you put that ring on?

[John Hobgood]

Like, I don't.

[Mike]

That's pretty good. It's actually for the Gatorade, if anybody's wondering.

[Jerry Worms]

The uniforms give. Gets the attention.

[Mike]

Uniform gets the attention. And it initially comes. I guarantee if you go back to her beginning, it's humanizing the badge. And it's a. For community engagement. I want to show people that I'm a real person and that we're not scary. And then, oh, by the way, I'm now selling this. This, this the stuff you put in the water. And you know, I'm a cop, but. So you should listen to me and you know, you should. I've seen it all the way up to. They're taking donations.

[Dom]

That's.

[Mike]

They have their cash app in their bio that Hulk Rilla up in South Carolina. And other guys have their kids.

[Dom]

Leadership think it's cool.

[Mike]

They love it.

[Jerry Worms]

Wait a minute. I got a theory here. What about if the chief or the sheriff is getting a kickback?

[Dom]

That's illegal.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's.

[Dom]

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but

[Jerry Worms]

I'm just saying that's how they let them do it.

[Mike]

Yeah, I, I just.

[Jerry Worms]

If the department's letting them do it, maybe they're getting a kickback.

[Dom]

I know leadership gets kickbacks when they choose guns for the agency. I've heard of many agencies that everybody voted, hey, we want this gun. And all of a sudden, no, we're going to this gun that nobody wanted. And all of a sudden somebody's getting kickback anywhere.

[Mike]

County sheriff's office, but so it's a slippery slope because this is where citizens say, you know, there's one side. Well, you got to be professional. This isn't professional, obviously. And it's also capitalizing on the job to make. To generate income. And then my argument would be it kind of, you can do whatever you want off duty. So I'm not, I'm not trying to be like a Nazi, but could you. Are you well trained? Yeah, you can. California said that you could. Are you well trained, well educated? And then Dom's argument here is, this is a good one. Major Crimes, right?

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Hey, Chief, this is Becky Johnson. I'm down here. I noticed your officer, whatever her name is selling.

[Dom]

Where's Becky working at?

[Mike]

Becky's a civilian. They're calling to complain. And Becky goes. Your officer took a report from me three weeks ago. It's a. You know, it was a pretty. It was a major crime. Yeah, I haven't had a supplement. I haven't been. You know, I've talked. I called twice, and I haven't gotten a call back. I'm wondering, you know, if there anything going on with Becky, because I have Becky's tick, or I have whatever, two a day. She's putting three, four a day at her desk, and she's dancing at her desk. And I. I can't get a call back. What do you say as a chief, like. Or what is he doing?

[Jerry Worms]

Or when there's a trial and the attorney brings up all the Tick tock videos that, you know, how qualified is this person to do this job when they're doing Tick Tock?

[Dom]

Well, here's what I would say as an attorney. I would say we haven't pulled your financial records. Obviously, that would take a warrant. It's not. But I would say this. If you're getting kickbacks from promo codes, Mrs. Whatever your name is, that means that I at face value as an outsider. I would mean that you would need money. And you are in Major Crimes, which deals with large amounts of money. Crimes that deal with money. How. How could I trust somebody that needs to publicly say I need more money getting kickbacks from makeup companies? So if you're not making enough money from your job as a police officer, then what's to stop you from. It's almost like when they make sure you have good credit to be a cop. They don't want people out there with awful credit, bad debt. Yeah.

[Mike]

And Nick makes a good point. White. White star makes a good point. Is like, what other jobs? Like if you're at Chase as the teller, do you imagine if you're like, hold on, lady, I got it. Yeah, I'm gonna dance. Or, you know, if you're on the clock at Chase, I would think even a corporate office would have a problem with you, like, getting on camera and selling your products online.

[Dom]

Well, that's two different arguments. Doing it at work and doing it at home in your work clothes. Although both to me Wrong. But I mean I'll be the first one to admit it. Dude, I did Patreon videos at work and I knew it was wrong, but I was on my way out and it was, it made people more relatable to me. They were like, oh man, you know, so. But I, I got written up for it.

[Mike]

But if you as well your department didn't.

[Jerry Worms]

They didn't.

[Dom]

Yeah, well, I had one psychopath that stalks me currently to this day and he wrote like eight different complaints about me. Join the Patreon. Just to talk, just to go to Internal Affairs.

[Mike]

But here's the thing, like even Chase Chase is super liberal. You get on the Chase uniform, your little Chase name tag, you started pumping Make America great again. And Trump, I guarantee they're have a huge problem. They'll be like, hey bro, take your Chase shirt off. You can't do that. Like they're not going to let you do that. Which is the same with this. And what I've seen is small towns, small agencies will allow this because they're also backwards and it just small. So they like any of the attention and it usually comes down to the news picking it up and then it becoming a huge issue and then you'll see them disappear. And Dom, like I said, Dom was up to eight or nine that he had removed from social media in the same sense. And I would suspect, I don't know how as a kissimmee chief if you called me with this. I don't know how I can convince the taxpayers that my four year under four year old crime detective, major crime detective is dance around camera in her uniform selling. It just, it doesn't, it's not, it's not good business. It's not good business and it's not right.

[Dom]

Well let's, let's also talk about this when you talk about those podunk agencies, right. Sometimes you have, how would you call it, Mike? The creepy old men. Yeah, you have creepy old men as chief and sheriff. And the new girl's like hey Chief. And he's like she gets away with murder.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's a problem a lot of places.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah.

[Mike]

But in the, in the world. Here's, here's again one more thing. Most cops, whenever I did it this morning, I'm sure I did an episode on Sean Paul Reyes this morning. There's gonna be cops that get mad at me for saying anything nice about him. So we call. We're professionals. We hurt ourselves to a professional standard. We are the best. We do the coolest job. So most dangerous we should be paid millions of dollars a year.

[Dom]

We're great.

[Mike]

I believe in a lot of that. Right? You guys are the best. With that best status. With that, with that professionalism comes not doing this kind of stuff. And you see other guys and people that don't hold her accountable, they should be telling her, hey, enough, enough. You're a clown. This is not what law enforcement's about. If you want to sell products, by all means, go get a job in sales. You got a great resume. You've been a cop three and a half years. Your Major crimes, you must be doing good. Something happened.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, for you, Macy's.

[Mike]

Yeah, there's a whole makeup department at Macy's. But my problem is the trickle down effect of young girls that see these videos and think, you know what? I've never been in a fistfight, but I'm gonna go be a cop. Because as soon as I get through the academy, I can get in my patrol car and then I can launch my makeup line and I can really make a difference in the makeup. There's a girl, I call her the Gobbler because she's got a gobbler neck. I can't remember her name. Ashley Rose. Ashley Rose. She came on body shaving. She came. No, she's got a gobbler neck. Like, you know the turkey when the neck hangs down.

[Dom]

Yeah. Like you got.

[Mike]

Yeah. So your beard hides it. And no tattoos. But she went on Haley Mirabelli. And it was a whole interview and that. I have it saved. I was gonna. I did a whole breakdown of it, and I was brand new at this and I forgot to turn my audio on. So the whole thing was my mouth moving and nothing coming out. So the whole episode was great. But her entire interview talked about how her. She was counting. I know you did the same thing, but you didn't get in the podcasting to, like, immediately leave. It kind of started it, and it became a business. She talks about how her entire existence right now is focusing on getting out of police work to go do product sales. But she developed her entire contact list and her. All of her stuff through the uniform. So it's like you're setting these girls up to go, I'm gonna become a cop, even though I can't shoot. Never been in a fight. I'm 5 1£90. I'll get through. I'll squeak past. They're gonna push me through. I won't meet the standards, but they're gonna get me through anyway. And then I'll start making the videos.

[Dom]

I Want to bring something up? And this was brought up by Double Y. Dan, haven't seen you in a while in the comments, bud. So thanks for stopping by. But he brings up a great point. When does it stop? If you can't. If you can't separate work from side but jobs, right? Separating. To me, I don't personally. My preferences is that you can say you're. You're a cop. I wouldn't give where you work for your own sake and for their sake. And I. I'm totally okay with people knowing that she's a police officer. But when you do it in uniform now you start blurring the lines because at what point? Point like this guy says you're on a traffic stop and you make a sale on a traffic stop. Now you're. Now you're playing with like criminal waters.

[Mike]

Girl, your hair looks good. Oh, yeah, I use. I use this. You should check it out.

[Dom]

Lawsuit central. My client felt obligated to. To say they agree they were speeding because they were being sold makeup products.

[Jerry Worms]

The trunk is probably filled with their products.

[Mike]

Yeah, you guys took it deep there.

[Dom]

I don't know. I just like looking at different people's perspective.

[Mike]

Where do you draw the line?

[Dom]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mike]

Well, let's. Let's go back to uniform. If so I'm wearing a cop. Can I go down. Can I go walk the mall off duty my uniform and sell my products? If you're going to advertise it in your house, online in your uniform, where does it stop? Can I go door to door in my neighborhood and be like, hey, I'm Mike. I'm the cop down the road? Yeah, I'm so. Well, no. Or just walk. Hey, I'm selling this. Oh, officer. Yeah, I love cops. I'll buy. What are you selling? I'm selling these new chargers for your phone.

[Dom]

They're great.

[Mike]

Okay. Yes, sir. I'll buy it. So where does. Where you stop?

[Dom]

Where.

[Mike]

If you're doing it in your bedroom, on in uniform, making money and using sales. What a garbage company. Dude, do not buy a rest my vest. That company sucks.

[Dom]

Where'd that come from?

[Mike]

That's the company she spot. That's great. She's this. They're the same company that had a whole influencer meetup of the worst of the worst. TikTok cops. They went and did a freaking. I'm not trying to say bad words, but they do this and it's. It's. You spray your vat, you can buy Febreze, you can buy A million things to spray in your vest. Don't support a company that uses police and uses a uniform to target cops. Buy something from a small business of dudes actually out there grinding and working hard that actually get their vests all smelly and then find a small business that does it that actually cares. This is this guy using people in the uniform to do this is the problem because he's soliciting these cops knowing they're going to be in uniform to do it. That's the problem in my opinion as well is these companies that are pimping out cops.

[Dom]

All right, moving on. The next subject is. Well, I want to cover it because it's a Marine. It's not the most exciting thing in the world.

[Mike]

Marines never are.

[Dom]

They're exciting in different ways. Yeah, that Marine from Minnesota missing at sea off SoCal coast identified. So let's see here. Marine Corps officials have identified Lance Corporal Armando Ortiz as the Marine who went missing from a ship off the southern coast of California last week. The 20 year old, 21 year old Marine from Minnesota was declared dead on June 27th following a 43 hour search by Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard personnel, ships and aircraft. 43 hours and the DOD is going to pronounce you dead. Really? Yeah. Ortiz was reported missing on the morning of June 25th while he was serving aboard the amphibious transport dock USS Anchorage ahead of an integrated training between the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit and Mankin Island Amphibious Readiness Ready Group. Corps officials say search and rescue personnel search for about 2400 square miles for Ortiz using three surface ships and 12 aircraft, according to the Navy. But after being unable to locate him, the Navy switched to recovery operations on the evening of June 26th. A Marine Corps news release says he was declared dead the following day. The circumstances of how he went missing are under investigation, says the Marine Corps. So obviously not killed in action, but one of our service members doing their duty lost his life. So I hope they find the body for his loved ones.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[Dom]

Another horrifying story we don't have a chiron for, but the alligator. If you live in Florida, you've heard about this one. Yeah, I saw this, but I got the. Hold on, let me. A woman was hiking, right? Yeah, they were. They were hiking. Share the screen real quick. That's it. That's not it.

[Mike]

That's my video.

[Dom]

Give me one second. Sorry about that. Share screen Florida woman killed an alligator attack. Go ahead and hit it, Eli. The Orlando woman who died after she was attacked by an alligator While swimming with friends was identified as Brittany Clark. She was swimming with her boyfriend and best friend. And then. I can never say econ lock. I worked around there. I worked on that road. And I can. Lachi Econ. Lachi river in the Little E. Little big.

[Mike]

Little big.

[Dom]

Officials with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation have identified her that she was attacked by an alligator while swimming. Brittany Clark and her boyfriend and their friends were hiking when she stopped to swim for a bit.

[Mike]

No way.

[Dom]

And Clark was swimming in about three feet of water when she suddenly was bit and attacked by an alligator. She was rushed to the hospital and died in the ambulance. FWC officials say. Officials say there's no designated swimming areas within that area. A sign in front of the nearest trail did warn about potential alligator activity. She was an amazing person. She was nice and helpful. Two massive alligators were removed from that river. They captured and killed two alligators, 12 and a half foot and a 13 foot one that were found in the area. DNA samples from both these alligators have been sent to lab to determine if it was either the alligator. Either one of them was the alligator that attacked Britney. The results have not been announced. Third alligator incident in a week in central Florida. The first one being a man snorkeling in the Rainbow River. Was bitten by an alligator. Was taken to the hospital June 27. The child was fishing at Nelson's outdoor resort when an alligator bit the child's hands. The child was taking the hospital. And then this one where she was. She died. That. It's. It's said the gory details aren't in this one, but it was said that her arms were taken off. So the alligator. I've got a video of the 9111 call.

[Mike]

Oh, boy.

[Dom]

He just.

[Mike]

Just chomping down on this call.

[Dom]

You guys ready? Keep moving.

[Mike]

I can't move.

[Dom]

No, it's okay. We're good. No, we're not.

[Mike]

Come on.

[John Hobgood]

Come on.

[Dom]

Okay.

[John Hobgood]

On the way.

[Dom]

Okay, I'm just gonna need a little bit more information. Where is she right now? Yes, she's here right now. Okay. How old is she?

[John Hobgood]

She's okay.

[Dom]

She's responsive. She's doing okay. She needs help now. How old is she? She's 30.

[John Hobgood]

31.

[Mike]

31.

[Jerry Worms]

Come on,

[Dom]

come on, come on. Okay, he's going away. He's leaving. He's leaving.

[Jerry Worms]

Come on. Come on. Come here, mama. Get on.

[Dom]

Ma', am, is the gator coming back?

[Mike]

No, it's going away.

[Dom]

It went away.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Dom]

Okay. Is she awake? He's moving.

[Mike]

I can't move.

[John Hobgood]

No, it's okay.

[Dom]

We're good. Okay.

[Mike]

Come on.

[Dom]

Okay.

[Mike]

That's horrible.

[Dom]

That's. But that's the realities, dude. I mean, you cannot swim in certain places in Florida. These things are prehistoric beasts.

[Mike]

I would rather, you know, when they, like, jump out of an airplane and have to, like, no parachute and find the other guy and then hold him and then. I'd rather do that than swim in that three foot of water. I'd rather do it all day, like, multiple times. I can't in my head understand why somebody would walk by a sign that says, there's probably alligators. There's no swimming alligators in a nasty ass river. And then go get in the water. Like, I don't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It's just the same as a transgender thing. It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make. The transgender thing makes more sense, I think, than getting in a pond where you can't see. You can't see anything. It's nasty, murky water. And then I'm just gonna say it. They killed two alligators that were just doing what the. They do.

[Dom]

Well, they would probably kill those alligators at some point because. Because the alligators get too big. They. They. Florida does not mind killing alligators.

[Mike]

Oh, no. But if you don't go in the water there, they really won't with you, dude. It's not funny, but it is. It's unfortunate. It's sad to hear that call. And I just. Are.

[Dom]

Are.

[Mike]

Is the food. Is the dye. Whatever we're eating, is it making us stupider? Like, are we getting dumber?

[Dom]

I just think it's the type of people in Florida or when you grow up on, like, let's say you grow up on the coast, right? I surf. I take it. I say the same thing about surfers, like, especially out in California, you're surfing, and water is known to be hunting grounds for great whites.

[Mike]

I think the clarity of the water gives people false.

[Dom]

Like, they're fast.

[Mike]

Yeah, but they can come out of it. I know, but it's like, at least, dude, you. You've seen that nasty swamp water. Dude, there is no. I went. When I went. I went fishing. My buddy Steve Coleman, he runs a bass guide service me and my wife went to. I think it was the beginning of this month. June, right at the beginning. And we were out there, and he was telling us how these people come out there and, like, disobey him and jump in the water during the fishing trip. And I'm like, dude, we. There's like 20, 15, 20 alligators within sight of the boat while we're fishing. And I'm like, these dudes are like, you couldn't pay me enough money to jump in that water. Not even for one minute, one second.

[Dom]

Nope, nope, nope. Not happening. Jerry, you a water guy?

[Jerry Worms]

Not really, but I've.

[John Hobgood]

I've.

[Jerry Worms]

I had a call.

[Mike]

I got a picture of it.

[Jerry Worms]

I have.

[Dom]

Oh, what you at? What's your alligator calls?

[Mike]

Hold on.

[Jerry Worms]

I've had several alligator calls. When I was a sergeant in Deerfield, a kid. There was a. The Hillsboro Canal, and there was a boat ramp there. And a kid was throwing a tennis ball in the. In the water. And the dog was. It was a big rottweiler was fetching it. And right in front of the kid, alligator came up and snatched. Snatched the dog right in front of the kid. Took him down.

[Mike]

Oh, boy.

[Jerry Worms]

And they bury them underneath and soften them up like in a. And because the alligator will come back later and get it.

[Dom]

Oh, yeah, they let it. They let it rot.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah. So then the alligator came back up and just started swimming back and forth in the canal. And they call. You know, the trapper comes out. And they came out. And it was interesting how I was like, how these. How these guys gonna get the. There's two guys come out, and they have these gigantic fishing poles with these gigantic hooks.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

And as the alligator goes by, they throw the hook out, and then they snag it and bring it to the shore. And then one guy jumps on his head and tapes up his mouth. And the other guys, it's. I have pictures of that particular incident. And the guy. So I asked the guy, what do you get out of this? And he says, there it is. There's me.

[Dom]

There's me,

[Mike]

Jerry the gator.

[John Hobgood]

Hunger.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, that was. That wasn't. That call that this. That. The alligator I was talking about was 13ft long.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, that was.

[Jerry Worms]

That alligator was in the parking lot of the Fort Lauderdale airport in the. In the remote parking lot. And it came out of a canal.

[Mike]

Did you tape it up?

[Jerry Worms]

I held. I held it down, and we taped its mouth, and then we called animal control.

[Mike]

So you got that thing in custody on your own?

[Jerry Worms]

Yes. And he came out.

[Dom]

Don't pay me now.

[John Hobgood]

Nope.

[Jerry Worms]

But.

[John Hobgood]

Nope.

[Jerry Worms]

But. But they. They came and took that and relocated it. They didn't kill that one.

[Dom]

Yeah, it's small enough.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah. But the other one.

[Dom]

The guys, it didn't bite anybody, right?

[Jerry Worms]

No, the other guy. The guy. The guys, the trappers that came for that big alligator told me that they get about 700 worth of meat and high. That's why they do what they do.

[Mike]

And, you know, they keep it.

[Jerry Worms]

They. When you call the trap.

[Mike]

Yeah, they get paid by. They get paid by the meat. They get to hide them.

[Jerry Worms]

They're licensed trappers and you call them.

[Dom]

You have to follow any type of state ordinance. When they can and can't kill it.

[Mike]

No, they'll call out, guys.

[Jerry Worms]

No, they're called out to kill it. They're called out to kill it.

[Mike]

So being the meme guy, you know, once I saw that. Are you gonna picture Jerry? No, no, I'm not gonna make the girl. I made a. This is the new version of that picture. Jerry Worms, the warden of alligator Alcatraz. That never made the Internet. I had made that. I sent it to Jerry, but I never actually posted it. But that was when the alligator Alcatraz garbage is going down where they put the ice detention center down in the everglades. And I said Jerry was the warden of alligator.

[Jerry Worms]

This is the one that we caught that. That was caught that day.

[Dom]

Big boy.

[Jerry Worms]

That's a 13 foot alligator.

[Mike]

You can send it to me.

[Dom]

Yeah, send it to Mike.

[Mike]

Send it to. Text it to me and I can put it up on the screen.

[Jerry Worms]

Okay.

[Dom]

Thirteen feet, man.

[Jerry Worms]

That was the. That was the. He was the city manager.

[Dom]

You guys remember when the Disney incident happened? Yeah.

[Mike]

Something a bit Disney, right?

[Dom]

They were at. They were. So Disney is not there. There's bot. Disney is huge, dude. There's five resorts on. Or there's five. Not even. I'm not. I'm talking about. What do you call, like Magic kingdom?

[Mike]

Animal theme parks.

[Dom]

Theme parks. There's five and there's probably 500 resorts on Disney property where you can stay. Tons of bodies of water. There is signs up there that say it was probably like 10 years ago, man. A kid right in front of his dad. Yes.

[Mike]

Fort Wilderness.

[Dom]

Right.

[Mike]

I think it was at 4 Wilderness. Yeah, there were some gators there in Fort Wilderness that were.

[Dom]

And they grabbed the kid. Right. I couldn't imagine going to Florida on a family vacation with your kid and then leaving without your kid.

[Mike]

That's brutal.

[Dom]

I don't know.

[Mike]

Yeah. You went to the most magical place on earth and yeah, there wasn't much magic. So this is. You say 11 footer?

[Dom]

No, this was a 13 foot undercutter.

[Jerry Worms]

That was a 13 footer.

[Mike]

Look at the size of the head, dude.

[Dom]

Yeah, dude, that. That's what I'm saying, dude.

[Jerry Worms]

And I.

[Dom]

How'd they kill it? They.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, no, they didn't kill it.

[Mike]

It's still alive there.

[Jerry Worms]

What, what they did is they. They tape up its arms.

[Dom]

It's still alive, dude.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, but it's all taped up. Their arms are taped up and so is the mouth.

[Dom]

What about the tail, man? Want that whipper?

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, that could, but they. And they put it on the pickup truck and drive away.

[Mike]

Listen, I. I used to get big, so I used to gator hunt.

[John Hobgood]

Really?

[Mike]

Yeah, I did. And you, back when you weren't, you would bang. You would.

[Dom]

You hated animals.

[Mike]

You would do exactly what Jerry said. It wasn't bait. You would snag them. You would drive around real slow, see their eyes. You would spotlight them. You get as close as you can, and then you would take a 100 pound test, braided line with a massive hook, throw it over top of them and reel it and snag them. And you watch a massive gator go. And you just follow it, Follow, follow it. You would get it close enough to the boat and you would have a. A metal, like, hook on the end, straight. And then it would have a. A lead of like 6 foot of steel wire. And then it would connect to a rope. And then you'd have like milk jugs and buckets. So you would spear them.

[Dom]

Boom.

[Mike]

And then when they hit spearhead them, you could. You didn't. You just cut the line on the hook. Now you just follow the buckets around and then you drug it up to

[Dom]

the boat like Jaws.

[Mike]

You would. And then you'd keep it about 6 inches underwater. You had a bang stick that had like a.357 round at the end of it.

[Jerry Worms]

Or. Yeah, you would just go boom.

[Mike]

And you'd hit them. Well, you'd put it in the boat, tape it, and drive around for like an hour. And next thing you know, the thing comes back to life and it just starts going crazy in the boat, like swinging and tail around and going nuts. You'd have to like tape it better. You have to put it back in the water and bang it again.

[Dom]

Hey, Double wide wants to know if you use goon tape to wrap up the game.

[Jerry Worms]

No, no, they didn't have goon tape back then. It was just.

[Mike]

It would have.

[Dom]

Could you imagine that promo video?

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, that would be a good.

[Dom]

That would actually. I like that idea.

[Jerry Worms]

We use the electrical tape, you know that. The black electrical tape.

[Dom]

Yeah, we're gonna catch a gator and put goon tape on it.

[Jerry Worms]

Mike, do you see?

[Dom]

I think we got all these ideas.

[Jerry Worms]

And that picture. I think I took my nunchucks. I'm holding them down.

[Mike]

Look, the nunchucks are his right hand.

[Jerry Worms]

I'm holding my nunchucks on the.

[Dom]

On the game just in case. The gator guy.

[Mike]

That's early.

[Jerry Worms]

That's.

[Mike]

That's early, Jerry. Right? That's pretty.

[Jerry Worms]

That's about 19. That's about 93.

[Mike]

Two, three years. Three years after cops. Four years after cop cops was 89.

[Jerry Worms]

I made. No.

[Mike]

What were yours?

[Dom]

Cops?

[Jerry Worms]

Well, I was a sergeant there in Fairfield.

[Dom]

What.

[Mike]

What year was cops? Nine.

[John Hobgood]

80.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, it was shot in 88.

[Dom]

Okay.

[Mike]

Damn, Jerry. Four year sergeant. What are you doing over there, man? Major Crimes. What videos were you making?

[Dom]

I was a cops. Yeah, he's right. He was on Cops. Let's promote him. That was back, though, when you could be a lead by example and be a good cop. And cops were just different back then, built different.

[Jerry Worms]

I Now you.

[Dom]

Now you go in like that, aggressive, out the gate a couple years in, and you're held back. You're told you're not a team player. You're told you're too aggressive. It. Mike had the best analogy ever, is that I would rather have a pit bull of a new guy rather than a poodle of a new guy, because I can hold back the reins of a pitbull and teach him to. To lower the aggressiveness. As far as just general aggressive, proactive police versus a guy that you have to push out there. Go stop that car.

[Mike]

That was Peach. Peach was like that.

[Jerry Worms]

I. Peach.

[Mike]

Caught a lot of hell for being aggressive and people. The people above him were beta. You got to know how to operate a guy like that. You got to be able to go get him and then pull him back.

[Jerry Worms]

I. I went out, you know, I tried to be on the street with. With my, you know, with my squad. You know, if I. Supervising, you know, 10 soup, 10, 10 deputies out there. I'm out there, you know, backing them up, being on the call. And, you know, if I have to. Like if we made a traffic stop and it turns out to be an arrest, you know, I. I'm. I'm out there. I said, hey, give me. You know, everything was handwritten back then. So I'd say to the guy, give me the toe slip, I'll do the toe slipper or give me the property receipt, you know, because you got to do property toe slip piece. You know, let the guy do the PC. I'll do the other stuff.

[Mike]

That's, you know, that's leadership.

[Jerry Worms]

You get out there and you know, that way, you know, I'm. I'm out there. And then not only that, you know, I've got to do yearly. If they're on probation, I'm doing monthly evaluations. If they're just regular deputies off probation, then you're doing yearly evaluations. How do you evaluate somebody unless you're out there working with them?

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

You know, if you're sitting in the office, all you're doing is reading their reports.

[Dom]

Well, here's one thing you can do. If you're out there working with them and you see deficiencies, you can give them the verbal, like, hey, you need to be. Be better at this before I have to start grading you.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Oh, yeah, I'll fix that.

[Jerry Worms]

I mean, well, a lot of times if I. If I saw something that I thought the guy could do better, I would. After the call was over, I would never did it in front of a bunch of people, take them to the side and say, hey, you know, this is maybe how I would have handled this call. Next time, you might want to think of alternatives or something like that. Just. Just put it in his head to think of something else.

[Dom]

He's like, jerry, I used your line. What are you talking about? Hey, so before we go on our break, we've got our Jess. Our guest, John Hobgood on, and you guys might recognize him. So what we're gonna do is we are done with that.

[Mike]

See you later, alligator.

[Dom]

But I want to play some of these clips for you guys. Do you guys recognize this guy?

[Mike]

Yeah, I see him all the time.

[Dom]

This is my favorite one so far.

[John Hobgood]

Afternoon. How we doing, guys?

[Dom]

I'm doing good.

[John Hobgood]

Okay. All right. Everybody been drinking? We've been drinking here today. Yeah, Yeah, I can see it. I'm going in and see some IDs.

[Dom]

Okay.

[John Hobgood]

Let me see some IDs. Y' all got ID on you? ID? Yeah. ID? Yep. You, too?

[Mike]

Hello?

[John Hobgood]

Yep. Talking to you. This my dick at life jackets on the boat. Can y' all show me on the life jackets? Go and pick the seats up for me, okay?

[Jerry Worms]

Ma'.

[Mike]

Am.

[John Hobgood]

Hey, listen. Hey, ma'.

[Dom]

Am. Ma'.

[Jerry Worms]

Am.

[John Hobgood]

I don't need all that, okay? I'm trying to do my job, okay? I'm just trying to do my job. Is that okay with you? Can I do my job?

[Dom]

All right.

[John Hobgood]

Get life jacket. Yeah, it looks like that rain's starting to come down, so we'll go ahead and shut the leg down for the day, okay? So we're gonna need y' all to go ahead. Yep, yep. Get Ready to pack it up, ma'.

[Dom]

Am.

[John Hobgood]

Ma', Am, I. Listen, I don't have to.

[Dom]

I know my rights.

[John Hobgood]

Oh, you're right. 42 Central. Go ahead and send me. You don't need to see your flotation device. Let me see the whistle. You gotta.

[Dom]

He's got that one and then here. See, here's the thing is he's. I. I can't wait to talk to him. He's not a first responder, He's a comedian.

[Mike]

He's never been a cop.

[Dom]

Never been. And I'm like, how do you get all of these? These are. I've seen guys spot on. Yeah, here's gsp.

[John Hobgood]

How we doing, trooper Jenkins?

[Dom]

George, tape drop.

[John Hobgood]

Let me see why she got your license. Why are you all jittery? Seem like you're a little jittery to me. Yes, you do. Watch him and keys part. Him and keys. Don't even think about it. Please make my day.

[Dom]

Please make my day. Let the games begin. 42 Central.

[John Hobgood]

We got one taken off 42 Central. Give him a head start.

[Dom]

He's got all kinds.

[Jerry Worms]

Is his uniform always the same with

[Mike]

a, with a hand?

[Dom]

He does firemen. He does a great defense attorney. When you pay, you get a defense attorney that's never won anything. And he does the cop one. And he did the backup guy, the backup cop.

[Mike]

I remember that one.

[Dom]

Got him good.

[John Hobgood]

This is a well known narcotics area. You know, we see a lot of hand to hand.

[Mike]

Spot on, dude, spot on.

[John Hobgood]

So of course when we rolled up on him, it lit him up and he took off, which is what we expected. And unfortunately this is the first run we've had with him. So, you know, we, we're going to

[Dom]

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[Mike]

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[Dom]

All right, guys, without further ado,

[Jerry Worms]

can

[Dom]

you get rid of that graphic? There's a dinosaur in the lobby. There is. John, can you hear us, buddy?

[John Hobgood]

I got you, man. How you doing?

[Dom]

Good, dude. So you came across pretty much mine. And everybody I knows as we're. We're cops. We're all retired cops here. And your skits were so on point and, and like, true that. I was like, man, I wonder if he would come on our show. And you answered me back immediately. So we figured we'd have you on for a couple minutes, dude. I saw that you had started a clothing line. Let's talk all of that stuff. You getting into it and a little bit about you.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah, yeah, man. Thank. Well, firstly, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. I'm glad we were able to make it work. Yeah. So I. About a year, year and some change ago, I just was, you know, I started doing a little bit of content and you know, growing up, I actually didn't end up in law enforcement. I, you know, went a different path. But growing up, I always wanted to be a cop cop and watched way too many episodes of Chip. Started watching Cops when I was young and, you know, so just kind of grew up Loving cops, loving cop work. And, you know, so anyway, I had actually I did a. A skit one day just on, you know, kind of like the backup cop that's always the cop that I had noticed, you know, the. The one that shows up that has no idea, like, what's going on. He's just there, like.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[John Hobgood]

You know, and, you know, I also, back in my younger days, I. I had a few run ins with, you know, police a couple times where that. That cop showed up, you know, and. And I'd be like, hey, man, like, I mean, like, are we all good? And he's like, I don't know.

[Dom]

That's the number one thing, is you want to play dumb so your night doesn't get ruined. You don't want to fight, you don't want. You're just like, man, I don't even know. I don't even know, you know, exactly what's going on.

[Mike]

You know, exactly.

[John Hobgood]

Like, yeah, yeah, you.

[Dom]

You.

[John Hobgood]

You're about to cuff that guy any minute, dude. Yeah, so. And anyway, yeah, I did that, and then it ended up kind of taking off and, you know, so I started doing more and. And it was. It was really, you know, I'd seen other cops gets. But a lot of them I felt like were very, you know, the cops were very hyper or like they're like immediately tasing somebody or whatever. But yeah, I didn't see a whole lot that was around just like the, the guy that, you know, they almost make you feel like you want to go to jail. You know, like they make you feel good about it.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[John Hobgood]

So, yeah, at one point I did. I actually had not run. I kind of run the clothing line Seasons, but I started creating clothing lines based on, you know, the, the phrases that cops say all the time.

[Dom]

The.

[John Hobgood]

Hang tight, you know, hang tight

[Mike]

for me. Oh, and the, The.

[Jerry Worms]

The.

[Mike]

The.

[Dom]

The thing that in my mind you patented was okay, all right.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Yeah. Because guys, a lot of times they buy. They have to buy time, right? So if you're like, all right, okay, all right. You're in all reality, you're processing information as fast as you can while you're also trying to have a dialogue with another human being.

[John Hobgood]

Right.

[Dom]

It's on point. And it's funny too, dude. And I've seen you got so many different characters. I love your page and pages like, you know, yours where you wouldn't think. I mean, I don't know. Did you know that you were this creative before you started this page?

[John Hobgood]

No, No, I actually had no idea. And you know, people ask me like, do you have a script or do you follow the script? I really don't. I actually just kind of go off of it in the moment and just kind of, you know, it takes me a bunch of different takes and I splice them together and kind of go from there. So it's. It's fun though. That's. I think that's maybe what it is. I just enjoy it. I enjoy trying to figure out different characters and different ideas.

[Dom]

And so, you know, the defense attorney is my second favorite. Yeah, I've seen those. And I've also been. Before I was a cop, I've been sitting with a defense attorney in my early days. And it's nothing, but it's like talking to a lawyer. It's on either side.

[John Hobgood]

It's.

[Jerry Worms]

It's.

[Dom]

There's nothing good coming out of their mouth, right?

[Mike]

So I run, I run the Cobbill page and that I get sent all the tick tock cops and all the cops that are like doing dumb. And I remember when I got the backup officer one and I'm like, this dude's not a copy. He gets a pass. Like, you can do it.

[Dom]

Like.

[Mike]

And there's some cops that try to do this. I think they're either very cringe or cops by nature are not comfortable in front of the camera. So immediately I'm like, this guy's different. And obviously the humor, the backup, it is spot on. So I mean, your acting skills for never have been a cop to be able to translate that into those videos is.

[John Hobgood]

I would have lost.

[Dom]

I would have lost a bet because I honestly did. And in an email you like told me, right? First email from him, he's like, thank you so much, but I'll just let you know I'm not a first responder. I was like, you could have fooled me, dude. And then the boat one. My dad's an avid boater, but my dad's also retired law enforcement.

[John Hobgood]

Right.

[Dom]

That he. That turns him into the most a cab person in the world. You know, like the whole, like, you got anything illegal on this boat? Like, other than you?

[Mike]

Well, I think you highlight all the things even cops hate about other cops, which is very relatable. Like every cop hates them. Unless you're an FWC or a game warden. We all hate them. We don't want nothing to do with them. We don't want nothing to do with troopers. Like, we're. We're just regular cops. Like, hey, leave me alone. I'm gonna speed on the interstate. I want to Go out on my boat. I've been 19 shifts in a row. I haven't had a day off. I pull out of the dock and here comes this game warden to ask me some questions. It's like, so you're kind of hitting all the cops that we really don't like either, or we, we, we pick on a little bit more. So it makes it, it makes it that much more funny. Yeah, yeah.

[John Hobgood]

No, it's, it's, it's been enjoyable, man. I've enjoyed being able to just kind of see where it takes me. I cannot tell you the amount of comments or even DMS I get. And they're like, hey man, like, oh, like one thing I didn't know that y' all do. I guess you guys pass out coins or bag.

[Mike]

Yeah, I don't, but there's copies.

[Jerry Worms]

They're called challenge coins.

[Dom]

Got one right here.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. So what are they?

[Dom]

So challenge coins started as more of a, what do you call, an oddity. They weren't as prevalent. So when you had a challenge coin, it. I don't want to say they don't mean something now because they do. But you could collect challenge coins. It's almost like people you've met. There was old school things where if you go to a bar, like a VFW or a pub where cops down that one, if somebody's got a better or bigger one, they slap it down. You gotta buy the round. Yeah, they just weren't as a thing now, so they were a little bit more special. Now challenge coins, everybody's got them, which is great.

[Jerry Worms]

They're collecting them.

[Mike]

So here, my, my challenge to you is make a video making fun of cops who like challenge coins.

[Dom]

Please.

[John Hobgood]

Listen,

[Mike]

I don't really do it and I, I respect it. It was, it was like if you had the coin from the general or a high ranking sergeant major on post and you would slap it down at a bar, you had the highest ranking coin. It's one of those things that I understand why cops do it. I, I think it's cool for them. I just don't get into it. So if you make a video like that, I'd definitely share it.

[John Hobgood]

I'm. Yeah, well, now I'm gonna have to. Now I'm gonna have to. Yeah, yeah.

[Dom]

Somebody messaged me.

[John Hobgood]

Somebody messaged me one time. They're like, hey man, let me send you a coin. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about right now. I was like, yeah, sure, I'll take it. Yeah, why not? You Know.

[Dom]

So, yeah, that. I mean, that is. It's an honor.

[Mike]

Patches, too. Patches.

[Dom]

When cops want to give that to you, that's like. Like. That's like a cat bringing you a dead bird. Oh, thank you. But to them, it means so much to give you.

[Mike]

I mean, we have them all over. All the guys that visit, they're like, swap patches, their agency patches. They bring them, and like I said, I just don't collect them. I'm not knocking those guys to do. I think it's awesome for camaraderie. We send. Hey, you got any patches? If I have patches from my old agency, I would send them out. I just don't collect them. But the coin thing, there's some comedy in there that you could really. You could really nail, I believe, with the coins.

[John Hobgood]

Oh, man. Well, now. Now I can't wait. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I'll give you guys a tidbit here, because some of these, I try. I try to make them as realistic as I can. And so there's actually been a couple skits that I've done where I'll. I'll actually go and look up the codes, the actual radio codes for.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's dedication.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I. Because some people. Because the thing is, a lot of the comments don't correct me, they're like, that's not 10:15. That's not a 10:50. I'm like, okay, man. Like, it's.

[Mike]

That's the guy you're making fun. Just so you know. That's the guy you're making fun of. So just so you know that it's.

[John Hobgood]

You're.

[Mike]

It's working, or.

[John Hobgood]

Or I'll do something outlandish, and they'll be like, would never happen. I'm like, that's a skit, though, right?

[Dom]

Yeah, it's called satire, bro. Right.

[Jerry Worms]

What area. What area are you doing your skits in?

[John Hobgood]

Say. I'm sorry, say it again.

[Jerry Worms]

What area are you doing your skits in?

[John Hobgood]

Oh, I'm in South Carolina.

[Jerry Worms]

South Carolina. Okay. So, you know, different agencies use different codes. You know, in Florida, we have the 10 codes.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

We always used. In Florida, we use 10 every. It's universal here in Florida is 1015 is an arrest.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah.

[John Hobgood]

So what's a. What's a warrant?

[Mike]

What's that signal 48. We called it a signal.

[Jerry Worms]

Oh, 1099 running down. That's when I was shooting them in the back.

[Dom]

1099,

[Mike]

we called it a 48.

[Dom]

And it just worked out perfectly. I know that you. I saw in your bio, which, you know, resonates with us very well, that, you know, you're a man of Christ. I noticed that all the videos you do, you're funny, and I'm gonna sound like an old man now, but I got kids. You're not vulgar. You're not gross. So anybody, like, I've always said this about the blonde comedian, Jim Gaffigan, funniest guy in the world, doesn't use an ounce of crude humor. Nothing. And so I saw that you're. And it just worked out perfectly because today we scheduled Jerry to be on here, which, you know, he was on the first episode ever of Cops. If you go watch that back in his younger days, and. And then you coming on the same episode, it just. It all kind of tied into itself, and it's really cool. Yeah. I mean, like, what. What made you decide to get into. And I. I'm gonna call it skit comedy. Like, what made you get into that?

[John Hobgood]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[Dom]

I.

[John Hobgood]

You know, I. I think whenever I was starting to get into it, I was like, I. I've always felt like laughter is the best medicine, and I really wanted to do something that provided value that, you know, people could hop on and just be able to laugh. And. And that's also a big, you know, obviously, with my faith. Yes. And the. The other side of that is I wanted people, anybody, to be able to watch these skits. You know, they don't have to turn the volume down or it has to be for a certain audience. And. And I feel like I kind of fight a lot of the culture in somewhat where I probably risk not getting a big following as fast or, you know, other creators are maybe bigger because of some of that. Not. Not saying that's the case. But, you know, I know that going against that grain is probably, you know, I may grow a little slower, but that's okay with me. You know, I would rather be able. The whole family, to be able to sit around and. And watch the skits. Enjoy. But that's kind of how I got into it. I wanted to. I was just like, you know, let me just see if I have a, you know, some creative bone in me, and let me see if I can be able just to provide a little bit of laughter. And it's funny because, you know, I. I would say a few months into it, even, I would have people message me and say, hey, like, I. You know, I was on the verge of committing suicide.

[Dom]

And.

[John Hobgood]

And, you know, these videos helped me get through that. And so I didn't even realize that simple skit comedy could maybe pull somebody out of a, you know, a dark time that they're having. So, you know, it's. It's been. It's been cool to watch. Been cool to be a part of.

[Dom]

That's awesome, dude.

[Mike]

It's pretty good, man. I. I really.

[Jerry Worms]

It's.

[Mike]

It's good.

[Dom]

We. I mean, we know the. The Georgia. Former Georgia State Police. The guy that's on the infamous picture on the hood.

[John Hobgood]

Yes.

[Dom]

And so you started nailing GSP for their stereotypes. Is they don't around when you go from South Carolina to Florida on 95.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Don't mess around in Georgia, dude.

[John Hobgood]

Dude, they. They pulled me over. They pulled me over, and I mean, it was the typical. Like, you could have. You knew this. You would know this guy's GSP if he was walking around Walmart, you know, and he pulled me over. I didn't even know this existed. He. I was speeding, and he said, hey, man, just so you know, you're a super speeder. And I was like, I appreciate that. You know,

[Jerry Worms]

Congratulations.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah, yeah. He was like, that's not a good thing. He was like, you know, does that mean you can get a ticket now and we'll also mail you another ticket? I was like, you guys do. Like, you don't just give me one ticket. He said, no, you get a ticket now, and then we also mail you another one later. And I was like, so you're really just gonna. You're really gonna twist this knife a little bit, like, so I didn't know that existed. So anybody that's watching, I had no idea.

[Mike]

Super speeder in Florida, but you go to jail.

[Dom]

It's an official title.

[Mike]

It's new. Yeah, it just came out 50 over. I mean, you got to get going.

[Dom]

It sounds like something Trump would name.

[Mike]

It's 50 over.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

So did you get the second ticket?

[John Hobgood]

No, thankfully, he cut me a break. He's like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna mail you the other ticket. And I was like, I mean, but see, now. Now. Now I'm second now. Now that I'm talking to a room full of cops, now I'm second. Now I'm second guessing myself. This guy was serious as a doornail. I mean, he did not smile one time. He was, you know, very serious. He's like, yeah, well, in Georgia, we have what's called super speeders. Because you're going. I get. I think it was. I think I was maybe going, I don't even Think I was going 20 over. I don't know if they had like 15 or what, I don't know, but it was crazy.

[Mike]

You catch those troopers, right? I got pulled over by Florida state trooper. And I first things out of my mouth was, I have a gun in the car. He's like, I don't care. You're going 20 over. Like, yeah, it's like, I don't care about the damn gun. And I'm like, so just so you know, sir, like, I have to read my gut. He's like, license, registration, like, I don't give a. Okay. Like I'd want to know there's a gun in the car. But he didn't, he didn't care.

[Jerry Worms]

Arkansas state troopers, they're the same way as Georgia.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Yeah. And if you don't know our culture, if you don't know this about it, troopers, a lot of the times don't. Right, wrong, or indifferent. And if people don't agree at the professional courtesy, cop to cop, a lot of troopers don't abide by that.

[Jerry Worms]

Right.

[Mike]

Only ticket in my 23 year career came from an Ohio state trooper. Only one. And it was, it was nine months into my career, right before 9 11, 2001, I got my first and only ticket of my entire life by an Ohio state trooper.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, they don't. Yeah, they don't. I've got, I have a lot of friends that when they leave Broward, they were driving to Disney.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

They get pulled over, the troopers don't count them. But break.

[Mike]

No, no.

[John Hobgood]

So you're, you're out of Broward County.

[Jerry Worms]

I, I was Broward. I was Broward County.

[John Hobgood]

Is, I'm trying to remember, is it who. Oh, gosh. Is it Sheriff Judd? Is that what I'm thinking about? Hey, Polk County. He actually followed me on Instagram and I, I, I took that as a major honor. Yeah, I almost messed him. I was like, thank you so much. I was like, I'm not doing that. I'm a professional.

[Mike]

You can find a video of him getting cereal and milk thrown on him if you go follow his page. He does, he does some skits too.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[John Hobgood]

Oh, man, he's. He cracks me up, man. I mean, he'll just be like, I mean, I just love. Sometimes I'll just be watching something. He just shows up on a podium and he's like, look at this scumbag that we just picked up off the side of the road.

[Jerry Worms]

The Wayne Ivy's starting to do that.

[Mike]

You got to do your, you got to do your Grady Judd, impersonation man. You got to get out there. You got to get, you just got

[Dom]

to create, create a character that is a sheriff. And I, I, I know, I don't know if you're doing it on purpose or if it's just kind of how it's flowing, but, like, you use the same cities and the same names. I don't know if that's just because it's flowing out of your mouth and you're just like, I gotta think of a name. But I mean, you could probably create an entire community of these people with the device. There's no firefighter.

[Mike]

There's so much. You could simulate traffic stops, pursuits. In your chair. There's a black kid that was doing those on, like a video game. He was like, pretending to chase the cars and get out. Like, dude.

[John Hobgood]

I'm like, yeah.

[Mike]

Comes better from non cops.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

It's just the cop that tries to do it, I think sometimes overreaches. And there's a couple that do just. It always flows better from a non cop. It just, you're, you're, you're, you're not trying to be real. You're just doing what you think is right. And it makes it even funnier.

[Dom]

Right.

[Mike]

It's like, I think this is what they would say, like, I'm gonna do it. And it's like, even if it's wrong, it's, it's just funnier. It's really good.

[Jerry Worms]

His perception's different.

[Mike]

Yes. Yes.

[Dom]

It's good.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. It's funny. My first, one of the first GSP when I did was where they essentially. Yeah, I chased him in my chair. I had the background, the background of the car, and I end up.

[Dom]

We watched it, we watched it right before you came on.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. So, yeah, no, it's a head start.

[Jerry Worms]

Give him a little head start.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they can't wait for that. They can't wait for you to run. They're begging for you, dude.

[Dom]

I'm telling you, in a, in a, in an environment, when you're a police officer, a cop or a trooper, if you have the reins to be proactive or aggressive. Yeah, you're right. They want you to run. I came up in a culture where a pursuit in Central Florida, they're. The society doesn't like them. There's too much liability. I was never, in nine years, I was never involved in a pursuit. But you go somewhere else and the first nine weeks you're in three pursuits because they just don't. And Grady Judd has that policy like hey. And people know when they go, they'll skip counties. They'll go around counties when they run dope because the sheriff doesn't play ball like that. And some counties or areas are just. It is what it is. They're a little bit more liberal.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

And you know, and they, and they don't like crime. But at the same time we always talk about this. Everybody's an advocate of, of it until in a police pursuit, your family is injured or God forbid, killed. You might be like, well then why were you chasing him? Was it that big of a deal?

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

So it's. But like you said, Georgia is allowed to chase to the wheels fall off. Do they do welcome that?

[Jerry Worms]

Not only. Not only to chase, they pit.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So you gotta, you gotta talk about.

[Jerry Worms]

You gotta, you gotta do a skit where you're gonna pit somebody too.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's good.

[John Hobgood]

I, I think I am. I'm overdue for GSP skits. I'm actually really excited about it now. So I'll make sure to tag you guys in it.

[Dom]

We're doing about 110.

[Mike]

I'm gonna throw this in there for my buddy. Oh, you can't cuss. Never mind, never mind. You have to say nfac. There's a viral video of Ennis after he pits a car and the guy's on the ground. He's like, what are you doing? Why? You almost killed me. He's like, you see this patch of my arm, boy? It says not around crew. And he yells at the guy and he walks away. So I made a patch that says NFAC for Jordan Ennis who was my old co host of a different show. And he's a Georgia State patrol guy, but he's a cool one. He's not the one that wears the. He didn't wear his hat.

[John Hobgood]

Right.

[Mike]

The ones where their hat, they're. You gotta watch the guys.

[Dom]

Seriously.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah. You gotta. He took the hat off every now and then so.

[John Hobgood]

That's funny, man. Yeah. Well maybe I can make something similar to it. Something that alludes to.

[Dom]

To it.

[Mike]

Yeah. Nfac.

[Dom]

Your next, your next one. Because there's a huge community for it and they're all great sports. Buy a helmet SWAT guys. Oh yeah.

[Mike]

Oh yeah.

[Dom]

I left a comment, I left a comment on one of your videos today. I was like, do SWAT dudes on an eight hour standoff when they don't even know if the bad guy's in the house? That's the worst. Dude.

[Mike]

You're just out there you gotta get, you gotta put fake nods. You gotta put.

[John Hobgood]

I'm telling you.

[Dom]

And they have no idea the. All right, so.

[Mike]

All right, let's get the robot.

[Dom]

The tech crew is not here. Okay, cool. All right, let's fly the drones.

[Jerry Worms]

Right?

[Dom]

The drones are out of batteries. Okay, cool. Let's do. And they go, by the way, everyone's like putting bets on whether or not the guy's even in there. Sometimes he's gone before SWAT shows up. And then you're on an eight hour. They have to tear down a whole wall of the house. So 1/4 that the house is tore down by a bulldozer. They'll go. Then they got to send. Who's the smallest guy? He goes up in the attic. And then they're like, by the way, he might be armed and.

[Mike]

And he's not here. Yeah, they'll gas the whole house.

[Dom]

Send a little guy up there like it's World War I and he's not in the house he had left.

[John Hobgood]

That's wild. I'm 1,000.

[Mike]

SWAT needs it. SWAT needs it bad.

[Dom]

Just all the, all the stereotypes that come with swat, you know, they're. They're a bunch of big teddy bears, dude. But they, you know, and they love the stereotypes more than anybody.

[Jerry Worms]

Or you could put on a helmet, a motorcycle helmet, and be one of those motorcycle cops. Yeah, that'd be good too, if you could do a good skit with that.

[Mike]

That's a special breed.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, get them on the radar. Get one of those fake radar guns.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah, yeah, I know they love. I know they're proud of this motorcycle.

[Mike]

Right to mama. Ticket.

[Dom]

So do you do any, do you do any stand up comedy or anything? Or is it. Do you just do this now?

[John Hobgood]

You know, I actually don't. I. I had, you know, I, I always wonder if Stand up. I know sometimes it works well for people and other times it's kind of a flop. I had somebody reach out to me and ask me if I would come over there and do like a 30 minute bit. And I'll be honest with you, I was nervous even reading the message. I was like, oh my gosh, dude. I was like, sorry, unavailable. So I don't, I never really have. I've, you know, I've had some people say, man, you should try it. I've thought about it, but I've, you know, I don't know what I would. I don't know what I would do. I don't know what I would talk about. So it's, it's a Whole different world. I think when you're actually up there, having to.

[Jerry Worms]

30 minutes is a long time to be on stage.

[Dom]

It's funny too, because stand up comedy before social media was the only way to do comedy. Right now social media is here and it's kind of like if you're a stand up comedian, you have to have social media, right? But if you're a social media comedian, you don't have to do stand up because I've never, it's like touring as a musician. I've never heard of a stand up comedian making money. Right. So it's almost. Why would I go do that if there's no money involved?

[Mike]

I think that like, like stand up is very, like, you have to have a whole skit, like a whole routine.

[John Hobgood]

Right.

[Mike]

I always say I'm just funny. If somebody like, I need to be around people, I need you to say something naturally. I just need somebody else to say something. I can't think it up myself. Like, your skits are pretty good because obviously I'm sure it pops in your head like, oh, I know what I'm gonna say. And you go do it. And it's like, that takes planning, which is very good. But I, I don't have that.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah, it's just, just a, it's. I don't know, it's, it's different. And then I can also, you know, if I'm like, oh, this isn't, this isn't that funny. I can always change it. You know what I mean? When you're behind the camera, you've got all kind of control and you can change what you need. And you know when you're up, you're live.

[Dom]

Time out, time out.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. I'm like, hey guys, can we pretend y' all didn't hear that?

[Dom]

So I noticed I saw a real. It was either yesterday or the day before that. You have, you have merch coming out.

[John Hobgood]

So I actually had merch from before and what I was planning on doing is instead of running it just continuously, what I've been doing is I've been looking at just running it like season based. But yeah, it was called Code one Threads. And so basically I would bring it out every now and then. I update the shirts, update the sayings, and then I would put them out for certain seasons for people to grab them. So I'm still working on updating some more and then I'm going to release it again here soon for people to go and grab some.

[Dom]

What's that? What's Code one Threads? What's that from?

[John Hobgood]

You know, honestly, it's just something I came up with to just, just, just a slogan to try to throw up something for people. Something that was easy. I wanted something easy and so.

[Dom]

Sounds urgent. Like.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, code one is. No, that's. Code three is urgent.

[John Hobgood]

I'm.

[Dom]

I'm new school. I don't know the codes. Not a nerd, Jerry.

[Jerry Worms]

Oh, okay.

[Mike]

Yeah. Code one is easy. No, I like it.

[Jerry Worms]

Code two is step it up a little. Code three, get your ass here.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Code two is go ahead and run some red lights if you need to,

[Mike]

but you're fired if you do it wrong.

[Dom]

If you're wrong.

[Mike]

If you're wrong, you're done. You're fired.

[John Hobgood]

I was about to ask, how do you know what the. How do you know the difference between two and three? Like, how do you know?

[Jerry Worms]

You don't.

[Mike]

You just kind of. It's like all other police work. You just throw it in the air and wherever it lands, you hope that nothing bad. It's a results based policing. You can run every red light on the way there. You don't hit anybody. You're good.

[Dom]

You.

[Mike]

You creep through a red light and accidentally hit somebody, you're fired. So it's just one of those things. You throw it in the air and hope it lands in the right place.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

I mean, the sad thing is first responders now what we do with society is just like. So, you know, like, I, I would always say this. Towards the end of my career, I ran code three for, I think, three reasons. Anything involving a child.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

I would run code three for one of my buddies in a fight or in danger or needing. I can tell on your voice on the radio if you need help. And I would run code three if I could catch someone in a crime in progress. Okay. And I'm not gonna lie, I would only run code to those things because naturally you're running code to like, Greg, who's OD'd behind the 711 four times already. I don't at some point really want to risk the public safety for Greg, who's choosing to overdose and. Or not overdose, but inject. And I know that sounds so cynical, but when you've done it, you're like, right, at what point does society think it's acceptable to put other people in danger for me to get to Greg, who's overdosing again?

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

So, yeah, man. All right, so you're. Do you have a website? I've been putting your Instagram up a couple times. So the instagram is John Hopgood. And where. When you. Oh, so, yeah, where would you get merchandise? Merchandise when you. When you put it out.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. So it would be code one, threads.com. i don't have it in the bio yet because typically I just try to make sure it's live. So I'll have that updated in probably the next week or two for people to go out and buy it. But, yeah, I mean, John Hopgon, Instagram, and I'm also the same. I think it's the John Hopgood on Facebook, and then I'm John Hoppins will take off.

[Dom]

So, yeah, Facebook is actually where I found you first. I have weird algorithms, my bad algorithm. And my, like, you know, that's all Facebook. Like, my. My. When I'm laughing, you know, obviously, I'm continuously, every day trying to clear out the filth in my Instagram.

[John Hobgood]

Well, they've come a long way, too. Their reals. Facebook reels have come a long way from.

[Dom]

Dude, I know. They pay. I. We. We don't get paid on Instagram. I can't. Instagram's like, yeah, we'll let you know.

[John Hobgood]

Right?

[Dom]

Facebook was like, hey, you hit a threshold, you want to make some money? And so you do the same thing you always did, and now you're getting paid for it.

[John Hobgood]

Right? Instagram's like, well, we have a carousel program. I'm like, what does that mean? We don't know.

[Dom]

Well, you know.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

But, yeah, Instagram, John, I'm good. If you guys could go give them a follow. There's like 60 or 70 people watching live right now.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Anybody? I promise you, watch the reels. Lots of these guys are cops. If they haven't heard of you, they're going to become immediate fans because it's like the Met. Like, dude, the dead body in front of the door, like, all that. It's so real.

[John Hobgood]

Oh, man. Yeah. Well, I definitely appreciate all the support and you guys, you know, taking a look and enjoying it, man, That's. That's what it's here for. It's really just to. To get people laughing and. And it's. It's funny. I. I didn't realize how accurate it would be to be totally truthful with you. I had cops reach out to me. They're like, dude, I don't. They're like, you either have been to jail a lot or you've been a cop.

[Dom]

Yeah, that was what I'm saying. I'm like, this guy might be, like, reformed in a good person now, but, like, maybe he was, like, always in bad encounters with cops. Or he was. And then my third, once I found out you weren't, I'm like, maybe he watched a lot of cops like me. Like, yeah, I know how it is. Like, I learned how to. Like, when I was a young cop. I was, like, doing dumb. Like, the whole. Dude, he nails it. The vesting. Mike hates that. Mike's a tactician. And Mike. Mike looks for things that'll get cops killed. One of the two things is locking your thumbs in your vest and then you gotta pull your hand out, like, rather than rather. And it looks stupid, but this position right here, we were like. Yeah, yeah. It actually is. Very quick to defend yourself as opposed to trying to look cool and.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah, yeah. It's always the wing flap for me when they tuck them all the way in and they're, like, doing this right here, dude. Like, that's my favorite. That's how I. For a while.

[Mike]

I love the handcuffs. Hanging like a necklace, too. Yeah. Well, a lot of guys now have colored ones. Pink, purple.

[John Hobgood]

Oh, yeah.

[Dom]

It's wild.

[Jerry Worms]

Like, gorilla.

[Mike]

The Hulk gorilla. He lives right near him. Yeah, he's from Lima. Lima. Pete Irmo. Irmo PD in South Carolina.

[John Hobgood]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

And he makes the worst skits, and they're terrible, but he has pink, purple handcuffs in his. On his kit.

[Dom]

Hey, man, you gotta stand out.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah. Gotta make a name for yourself, right?

[Mike]

I guess.

[Dom]

I guess. All right, John, I appreciate you coming on.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Again, I know you're very, very busy. We finally got it worked out. And God bless you, dude. If you need anything from us, if you need any, like, how would you handle this? Just send us a DM and I'll send you back. Like, this is how I would handle it.

[John Hobgood]

Hey, I'm gonna take you up on it. Thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it.

[Mike]

All right, man. Thank you so much.

[Dom]

All right, buddy. Be safe.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

All right. So we have a request from Nick. A Marine. Losses battles with his demons on June 29th. A couple days ago. Bryson Thomas, 1st Marine Regiment, Camp Pendleton, California. Keep. Keep him in your prayers. Keep his family in your prayers. You know, the. The things that first spawners and veterans go through on a daily basis is awful, let alone, you know, when they're alone, when they're going through it. That's why this show exists. That's why the 99% exists, is because we vow to do anything for anybody that needs somebody to talk to. Going through something. We all joke on this show a lot. And we bust each other's Balls. But, you know, I, I've seen people in the comments giving signs that they're struggling and everybody drops what they're doing and it, you know, so if you're, if you're ever in that mindset, please, even if it's me and Mike, you know, if you want to keep it private, just send us a message. And, And I promise you, once you get hooked up with a 99, it changes your entire life. It. There's never a bad day with these guys.

[Mike]

And it's a group effort, always somebody to talk to. Once you're in the app, once you're in the Patreon, once you're in group, involved, discord free. Yeah, there's always, you know, and we're always going to answer you ever, you know, and I, I take pride in answering the messages. And a lot of times they're double taps. But if it's something critical, if it's a GoFundMe for somebody like this or something you're going through, you always get a response. And I will assist you and help you, guide you, whatever, whatever I can do and make it happen. That's, I mean, honestly, that's Jack meeting you as part of that whole process.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Our boy Jack has, you know, cancer. And, and one of his heroes was Jerry Worms, and he was treated, like, by a former agency, and we were able to. Able to connect these guys up. And, you know, he wears his shirt every time he goes into therapy, wears a Jerry Worm shirt. So it's like that, that one connection, I said it at the live event was like, that was worth all this stuff to make that connection for somebody who's going through some traumatic and terrible things to be able to meet somebody or, you know, he found a family, you know.

[Dom]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

He's part of. He's. He's visited me a couple times and, you know, I've had him at my house a couple times.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

And, you know, I talked to his dad and his mom and his sisters in Palm beach now, and he's going to be here, you know, probably the end of the summer. He's planning on moving part of the family.

[Mike]

That's how it happens. We all become friends. Yeah. I stopped by Jerry's house last week.

[Dom]

It's, It's.

[Mike]

We got Sal up in Jersey, like, all these people in this network. Jake called me on the way here this morning. Like, everybody starts to form a family connection. That's what this is about. It's through some crude humor. We're not, we're not very Realistic.

[John Hobgood]

We're not.

[Mike]

Yeah, we're realistic. We say some things and Cop Bill says some things. Anti Heroism some things.

[Dom]

And I don't say anything bad.

[Mike]

Tyler picks on people in the comments and I make memes, but at the end of the day, the overall goal is this 99 family and, you know, holding some people accountable to make sure they don't get hurt. It's a. It's a group effort, but I. I

[Dom]

talked to a dude. I call him a converted guy. He was in the comments being really, really, really nasty.

[Mike]

I guess I got in a fight with him once.

[Dom]

Right? No, not. This is him.

[Mike]

Oh, okay.

[Dom]

And so I've got. I've been getting to the point where, like, I'm just asking these dudes, like, why, man? Why? It turns out they're pissed, they're drinking, they're upset. And this particular guy said, I'm on. I'm on leave for something I didn't deserve. And I, you know, he's a cop.

[Mike]

That's difficult. I've been through it.

[Dom]

I'm difficult, miserable. I have nobody. I'm drinking too much. And I was like, dude, come join us, man. Like, we're gonna. We all drink, but, you know, we all know, we try to. We try to police each other and say, like, hey, man, you probably shouldn't be drinking that much. And then. But on the flip side, then it might be me who's had too many beers and saying some dumb. So. But yeah, keep this guy and his family in your prayers, please. Bryson Thomas, 1st Marine Regiment, Camp Pendleton, California. God bless you, brother Jerry.

[Mike]

Would you be a cop nowadays, knowing what you know about cop work right now? Would you start over?

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, if. If I. I would do a lot more research. I'd research the agencies.

[Dom]

No, it's not a no.

[Jerry Worms]

The culture.

[Mike]

No, I wouldn't say no flat out either. No, I agree with.

[Jerry Worms]

I mean, like you said, like, Jordan Ennis works for a great agency.

[Dom]

Yes.

[Jerry Worms]

Okay.

[Mike]

Sandy Stones.

[Jerry Worms]

So, you know, if I could find an agency that would fit my need and my ability to want to go out and do the job, and they back me up, then, you know, with. With the training, good training, physical, you know, let you work out on duty and jiu jitsu and all that stuff, then I would. I would go to an agency like that.

[Mike]

You think if. If I. If I win the election, two years, you can come back and work my. My troubled area right on the street?

[Jerry Worms]

I'll have to put.

[Mike]

I put you back out there. Car. You could go straight to srl no, no, no, no.

[John Hobgood]

We're going. You're going.

[Dom]

Car.

[John Hobgood]

No.

[Dom]

He needs to be commander of the uniform patrol division.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, let me ask you something.

[Mike]

MLK Boulevard.

[Jerry Worms]

If I had. Well, I work.

[Dom]

You won't get a set of nunchucks. Jerry, make it work.

[Jerry Worms]

Can we bring the nunchucks back?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Okay.

[Jerry Worms]

And on top of that, if I say a couple, if I say the things that I used to say, am I going to get in trouble?

[Mike]

Yeah, you can tell them, shoot them, and you can tell. You threaten them, man, you gotta. As long as they stop running. It's called verbal judo, right? It's verbal Judas.

[Dom]

We like people all the time. It's.

[Mike]

It's a verbal distractionary technique. You have your physical distractionary techniques, and then you have your verbal detect. And with. I have yelled exactly that same sentence multiple times way before body cameras back in the early 2000s, and then it became Maltasia in the back. But there was times I can remember where I was chasing a guy and I said the same thing. You did.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, you know, a lot of it, you know, we talked about it before, but to me, you know, when you talked about the female cops and all that stuff, to me, the police work is. A lot has to do with presence. If you have the presence when you, you know, you pull somebody over, you're in a situation or whatever call you're on, and you get out of the car and you have that presence that somebody looks at you and they go, this is a guy I might not want to fuck with. That makes a big difference, you know, whether you can back it up or not. But, you know, if you look like you're in shape and you, and you present yourself well, you look sharp in the uniform. A lot of guys, you know, we, I talked about it before. I think I, I, somebody DM me and I was commenting on it. There was a, an FBI study that they interviewed hundreds of hardcore criminals in prison, and they talked to them about, why would you go ahead and try this guy versus not try them.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

And all of them were, I didn't try this guy because he looked like he could take care of himself.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

But if you got out of the

[Dom]

car, you look like.

[Jerry Worms]

You look like a fat slob going up to the car and, and, and you walked up to the car and you were lazy. You didn't notice your surroundings or anything like that. And you look like an easy target. That's when they take, that's when they go after you.

[Mike]

You know why? Because that's common sense. Common Sense A. A untrained criminal can. Common sense shows them how lax you are. That's why cops being squared away and ready to go and having the mind and the training and being able to do it within two sentences. That guy can look at that com Go. This dude's. Even if he's in somewhat good shape, he can steal the laxadasical, not laissez faire mannerisms and go. I got this guy. He's gonna look away, he's gonna look at his phone. Guys can have their car with the phone in their hand or doing whatever. It's like. These guys are like, yep, I got them. There's the very cold, ugly ones, which I would think that they. The Volusia shooting, I was horrible. Where he got bustled with the black guy in the car. And the guy says, yeah, don't do that.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

There's ones where almost as a man, you gotta. Like when somebody tells you you don't want to do this and you're in good shape and you're ready to roll, and somebody says those eerie words, it's almost like, you got it. Back off. And that. That is the. Again, a very except exception where the guy looks at anybody and goes, I'm going back to prison for the rest of my life. Like, hey, bro, you don't do it.

[Dom]

I don't want to do this to you.

[Mike]

That has to go through your head. And you should see videos like that. That's why those tragic incidents are tragic, but we need to learn from them. But barring that, one or two guys that I never ran into them. Unfortunately, we talked about, I never shot my gun. I'd have to kill anybody, shoot anybody. I never really ran into that guy. You should know what that guy sounds like. But most part, I think most people want to run. Most people want to get away. But then when they see you and go, you know what? This guy's garbage. You know, I'm just gonna overpower this guy. And that's where it leads to what exactly you're talking about? About. So if you put yourself in a position physically, mentally, and then, you know, training wise to be superior, you will look superior. And 99 of people are going to be like, I'm not with this guy.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

The other thing too is you could be superior. Great training, but you still need to know your limitations. So, I mean, I've had examples, you know, when I went up to a car and before I got to the driver door, even though, you know, I felt confident, confident, I didn't feel that Confident. Because there's, like, six guys in the car.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

They're all moving around. And it doesn't matter how well trained I am, if I go up to that car and that guy's got weapons in it, I'm a dead man.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

So you got to know when to back off and call for backup. You know, that's another thing you need to know as a cop. Be aware of what the limitations are. Don't go into a situation where you don't have the advantage.

[Mike]

There's nothing heroic about getting killed for stupidity or when you're out. Now, I remember.

[Jerry Worms]

You want to know?

[Mike]

I remember that call I got. I stopped a car in the interstate when I was getting all hot and heavy in 2005. I was an interdiction guy.

[Dom]

I'm Seats like that when you're getting, like, heavy. Like, fat.

[Mike]

No, I went heavy. Yet I was getting hot and heavy in the police game. And I seized, like, one of my first traffic stops on the interstate. I seized, like, 40 grand. So I was an interstate guy now. And I stopped the car coming from Miami with four subjects in it, and I asked where my backup was, and they were about nine miles away. And I looked at all four of them. I said, y' all gentlemen, have a wonderful day. Enjoy. Enjoy wherever you're headed north. Because I'm not dealing with it moving around. Give me the look. And I'm like, dude, my closest backup is, like, 15, 18 minutes away. Just like, it's not worth it. So you have to. Sometimes you got to go. I see Liz did give you permission to work day shift at least.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I gotta have you home at night.

[Dom]

Are you a cooker? You could.

[Mike]

You could?

[Jerry Worms]

I could, yeah.

[Dom]

All right.

[Jerry Worms]

I do cook.

[Mike]

Jerry's the cook.

[Dom]

Are you any good?

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, I am.

[Mike]

Obviously, she wants them.

[Jerry Worms]

You know what? I. I cook about 90 of the

[John Hobgood]

meals in my house.

[Dom]

All right. Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

So that's the only reason my wife keeps me.

[Mike]

Doordash cooks my meals. DoorDash cooks about 90 of my meals.

[Jerry Worms]

You know, believe it or not, I watch a lot of YouTubes. That's how I get some recipes. So, yeah.

[Dom]

Oh, I do believe it. I do everything off YouTube now.

[Jerry Worms]

Yep.

[Dom]

We got one more story real quick. I thought this was kind of cool. We talk about beating the incumbent sheriff or the incumbent president. The incumbency is very, very hard to actually beat once they're seated in it. But this sheriff did so. And it's kind of a wild story. We've probably covered it. There's a lot of there's a lot of things to this story. Moving parts, moving parts. There you go. So let's see. Combat vet who shot alleged pedophile wins primary against the sheriff who charged him. Beautiful. Let's look into this. Arkansas combat veteran Aaron Spencer just won the Republican primary for the Lanoke county sheriff after being previously arrested for killing the man accused of raping his 14 year old daughter. In a stunning upset, Spencer defeated three term incumbent John Staley, the same sheriff whose department arrested and charged him with second degree murder with a 53.5% of the vote in the March 2026 GOP primary.

[Mike]

Beautiful.

[Dom]

In October 2024, Spencer shot and killed 67 year old Michael Fossler after catching him driving away with his minor daughter late at night. Fossler had been arrested for sexually abusing and grooming Spencer's daughter but was out on bond. June 2026 a special judge dismissed all murder charges against Spencer citing egregious misconduct was due and due process violations by the Lanoke County Sheriff's office, including a missing dash camera memory card with key evidence. Spencer is now the Republican nominee for Lanoke county sheriff of. How cool is that?

[Jerry Worms]

Good for him.

[Mike]

Good for him.

[Dom]

And everybody that wants to say like oh, a guy which you know in your bones, I will say allegedly because we're supposed to but raped your daughter. The guy who did it is out on bond with first off shouldn't be out on bond but he is and I guarantee you at least the stipulation state that you were to be nowhere near.

[Mike]

Absolutely no, it can't be near the

[Dom]

victim him and you see him leaving with your daughter, that's.

[Jerry Worms]

You lose your mind.

[Mike]

He did the right thing.

[Jerry Worms]

You would lose your mind.

[Dom]

I would lose my mind. I would be very much in control of my mind.

[Jerry Worms]

No, I mean, I mean you would, you would be just what he did.

[Dom]

Yeah, exactly.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

So I thought that was pretty cool. He is going to be now the sheriff of Linoe county and a big you to. You know, I can't speak on the incumbent sheriff. I don't think about him. Maybe he had to make the arrest.

[Mike]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't think you do.

[Dom]

If you had that same scenario, would you. Would you with the state file charges on them if they wanted to? That's another great thing about being a cop is that a lot of times you don't have to make an arrest. You can actually say, you know what policy my belief system and statute say I don't have to make an arrest based on these circumstances. So if the state wants to make this a thing, the state can file a charge.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, that's.

[Mike]

That's a line. Because the cops are supposed to be just the presenters of evidence. You're supposed to gather the investigation and then say, here to the state. Here. And I had an unfortunate one with a kid who. The girl lied about her aid. I talked about a couple episodes ago. The girl lied about her age. And I had. I submitted the warrant and I. I wrote it like, this kid got duped, like this wasn't his fault. They arrested him anyway. So you would be. You could put all your opinions in there about why this is a crime of, you know, a spontaneous crime. This is a, you know, daughter was in danger, she could have been harmed, could be potential for all those things. You could creatively write it, but at the end of the day, I don't know that you can just not turn it over to the state.

[Dom]

No, turn it over, yeah, but you'd

[Mike]

have to write it. But then the state makes the final decision as far as what they do with it.

[Dom]

But the problem.

[Mike]

The state's going to absolve themselves. This is a small town, I'm sure is. Well, there's probable cause there. So let's, you know, let's take him to jail, and then he's got to fight his way out.

[Dom]

I'm talking about in lieu of a physical arrest. Right there.

[Mike]

I wouldn't arrest him right there.

[Dom]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If this thing wants to be a. Okay, well, then go. I mean, file charges.

[Mike]

Do you not have a right to protect your daughter from imminent danger?

[Dom]

That's how it get written up in my eye.

[Mike]

Yeah, imminent danger, a great bodily harm.

[Dom]

Kidnapped. Yeah, kidnapping.

[Mike]

Guess what you can't do.

[Dom]

Guess.

[Mike]

Here's why. Here's where I spin it and write it. Guess what you can't do. If he's a crim. If it's a criminal. If she's dead, she can't testify. Right. So she goes missing. You have no rape case because you have no victim. So that would be. My whole thing would be like. Well, thanks, man. You were saving the victim from maybe disappearing. Like you could write that a thousand ways.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah, there was a. There was a video, and it's many, many years ago, and I. I don't know if you could ever find it, but a guy was. Two cops were escorting this guy in out of an airport.

[Mike]

Oh, that's the big one.

[Jerry Worms]

And the guy.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

And the guy came out from nowhere.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

From hiding. And he shot him because that guy raped his son.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

And he didn't get charged.

[Dom]

Six months probation. Yeah. I think is what he got. And then they. And after that, they dropped the charge.

[Jerry Worms]

But how long ago was that?

[Dom]

80s.

[Mike]

That was 80s.

[Dom]

He's on T shirts now. You couldn't get away with that. No doubt.

[Mike]

I mean, Cain Velasquez went to jail, but he got out.

[Dom]

He.

[Mike]

But he shot at the guy that raped his daughter. It hit somebody else, but he did very little time. He got like.

[Dom]

He didn't murder anybody either.

[Mike]

No, but, I mean, can you understand, like, shooting at somebody that's leaving with your kid? Like, it makes sense, right?

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I would protect.

[Dom]

There's certain things. There's certain things that if any of them happened to my kids, if somebody was a predator to one of my children, I would. I couldn't be their dad knowing that something happened to them, and I didn't do anything about it. So. It's hard.

[John Hobgood]

I don't want to.

[Mike]

Especially you. I mean, you're lucky you have sons. I've had two daughters where I had to step in a few times. It's a very slippery slope to navigate as a cop.

[Dom]

Yeah. Because they're minors, too, the boys. Right.

[Mike]

It's a. Yeah, it's a slippery. Slow. Even as adults, when I was still a cop, it's like, you know, it's a. It's a.

[Dom]

It's tough to know you're a father, too.

[Mike]

You are your father first.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Like, the job. Like, you're a father and protector to your children.

[Jerry Worms]

First.

[Mike]

First job, your wife. All that stuff's more important than your job comes next. And that's where it's like, we have these rules where we're not going to get involved as cops in your neighborhood and all that, but you should have known to call the police at some point. You're like, hey, like, I don't care what I do for a living. This is my kid. Yeah, we're gonna stop right here. Like, you can take this piece of platinum metal and you can go put it wherever you want it. This isn't. I didn't do that on duty. Like, you can't influence. Yeah, on duty, I would have called somebody else, but off duty, I'm like, I don't give a. What I do for. For a living. These are my kids, bro.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Like, we're gonna have a problem. So that's all I got to say about that. I got. You want to watch the Reyes video? Real quick. You want to see that? So I did an episode today, came out at noon on Capital. And you guys can make your own decision. This is the video. Make your determination. Sean Paul Reyes has an issue with the Suffolk county pba. This is a private building, but as you can see, another female is standing there waiting to go in. And this is the interaction that occurs after he. When he arrives. So you hit. Might be. I might have to do it because it's my. I loaded it. Hold on, let me try it.

[Dom]

Sometimes if. If they're loaded for too long, they. They get wonky.

[Mike]

Let me try it.

[Jerry Worms]

All right.

[Mike]

Let me remove it and put it back in.

[Dom]

Yeah, you gotta do that. So, private building.

[Mike]

It's a PBA building. But like I said, my episode. The mailman can go up to the door. Doordash can go up to the door.

[Dom]

They're just not allowed in you.

[Mike]

No, actually, they locked the door before when he got there, but there's a secretary up front, so there's a secretary to walk in and talk to.

[Dom]

So you're not allowed to lock the door?

[Mike]

No, they did. They did. He just waited there. Nobody came and told him to leave, though. So he waited at the. At the. You'll see how it kind of unfolds if I can find the damn video again. Is that it?

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah.

[John Hobgood]

Here we go.

[Mike]

Okay, so let's try it again. Good. No, we're not playing videos today.

[Dom]

What's going on?

[Mike]

I don't know.

[Dom]

Is it on his website or is it.

[Mike]

No, that's down. That's video I downloaded. Let me try one more time. Let me remove it.

[Dom]

Is it on his Instagram?

[Mike]

Not. It's got more garbage. You can if you want it, but it's got. I. I clipped it right where I wanted it. Let me try loading it myself, because sometimes I don't. If it's doing that because it's. I'm entering it, and then the other person's loading it.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

I don't know a lot of the rules about this. No.

[Mike]

Does not want to work if your private building.

[Dom]

Was he arrested?

[Mike]

Yes.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Was it?

[Mike]

Let me try backing out. I believe so. Let me try backing out.

[Dom]

Wow.

[Jerry Worms]

Arrest him for trespassing.

[Dom]

Did he. But did he refuse to leave?

[Jerry Worms]

No.

[Dom]

No. Oh, well, that's a key. That's a key thing right there.

[Jerry Worms]

So.

[Dom]

And I've always told everybody this. Well, like, when I go to calls, you know, and people are like, can I shoot through my door? I'm like, absolutely not. I was like, you. Well, your sidewalk is Defined by the state of Florida as literally an invitation to the public. Your front door.

[Mike]

That's what this is, too.

[Dom]

So you cannot. Unless you. You cannot treat your door like they're inside your house.

[Mike]

Okay, let me try it one more time. Lou Savello.

[Jerry Worms]

How are you? Sure, no problem.

[John Hobgood]

Are you.

[Mike]

So the first thing he says is, you need to leave. And Sean says, sure, no problem. And from this point forward, you tell me if he's leaving. I immediately began to leave. Lucilla, would you like to come on. I am leaving.

[Dom]

Would you.

[Mike]

Would you like to come on the channel? I'm leaving.

[Jerry Worms]

I am leaving.

[Dom]

You see me leave.

[Jerry Worms]

Me.

[Mike]

I am leaving.

[Dom]

I'm leaving. I'm leaving.

[Mike]

Lucavilla, you go on, talk.

[Jerry Worms]

You go. I'm leaving. I am leaving.

[Dom]

I'm leaving. I'm leaving.

[Mike]

Hey, you're the guy from Unprofessional Patrol, right? I've seen your podcast. What do you think I'm doing? What do you think I'm doing? I'm leaving. So would you like to talk about the hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Dom]

No, I'm not.

[Mike]

So one second. You told him to leave. He left without. If you don't go outside in the

[Dom]

parking lot now, he's the aggressor.

[Mike]

I agree.

[Dom]

How could you? I mean, I get it.

[Mike]

You say leave, and then you stand there and you go, okay, you have to. If he doesn't leave, if he stops walking, he's trespassing. You're following him, him telling him to do something he's already doing. Yeah, he's leaving. He's not going fast. Nowhere in the statue does it say how fast you're leaving, but he has not stopped moving. This is the same thing he pulled with the guy at the. With the trooper that spit on him.

[Jerry Worms]

Yeah.

[Mike]

God. Told him to leave. And at no point did Sean stop leaving. He walked backwards and he asked questions. Would you like. Would you like to talk about the hundreds of millions of dollars that the Southern county law enforcement.

[Dom]

I am leaving.

[Mike]

Immediately began to leave. That's how the law works.

[John Hobgood]

Yes.

[Jerry Worms]

I'm leaving.

[Dom]

Get off the property. I am leaving.

[Mike]

I'm getting off the property.

[Dom]

I am leaving. You will be placed. I am leaving.

[Jerry Worms]

I am leaving.

[Mike]

I'm going to place you under arrest. Do what you need to do.

[Dom]

Identify myself as a police officer, so

[Jerry Worms]

do what you need to do.

[Mike]

I am leaving. I am leaving. You're such a tough guy. You're not gonna do it, then do it.

[Jerry Worms]

Do it.

[Dom]

I'm leaving.

[Mike]

Okay. I'm leaving. I am leader I'm not resisting. I'm not resisting. I'm not resisting.

[John Hobgood]

You were warned multiple times.

[Mike]

I'm leaving. I'm making my way to my car.

[Dom]

So here. If they made it hard for him

[Mike]

to get his footage, so now he got it. If you look in the background, I think. Is it there. You can see his truck is in the back. So he parked his. So he parked his billboard billboard truck in the parking lot. But listen, man, I said this, this morning. We have real crime out there. This is Suffolk County, New York. It's right outside the city. There's a lot going on. They don't like him, okay? You don't have to like him. You don't get to treat him any differently. The lady standing in the lobby was a visitor as well. She knocked up the door. She knocked. She was waiting for something. They didn't tell her she had to leave. They didn't give her. They didn't want him there. You tell him to leave. If he doesn't start walking, then he goes to jail. That's fine. Because that's. I pulled the statute up and it says that, you know exactly. He has to.

[Jerry Worms]

That's a bad arrest.

[Mike]

It's a battery.

[Dom]

Oh, yeah. 100.

[Mike]

It's a bad.

[Dom]

When you don't have the element needed for the crime. It was. You were told to leave. Okay, he's leaving.

[Mike]

They told his truck. Didn't let him get. Somebody come get a thousand dollar private property.

[Dom]

So don't need to do that.

[Mike]

But I'm saying he didn't. The illegal arrest led to the towing of his vehicle.

[Dom]

I'm saying that. I don't know. It was just a general order where I worked, but a general order came out stating that we are not to tow anything on federal property unless we are towing it for evidence.

[Mike]

Correct.

[Dom]

Sorry. I'm sorry.

[Mike]

Yeah. So it should have been a private property. And maybe they did. I don't know what they did.

[Dom]

Maybe some kind of we thing where they're like, oh, we are the PBA and we don't want to hear. But then it's almost like, no, let

[Mike]

me clear this for Pride. It's. This is a pb. This is not. This is the dinosaur. This is not a. This is not a police building. So it's not. It is private property. It's a PBA building. It is a private PBA union building. But my argument is Amazon doordash. Everybody on earth can walk to that lobby and actually go in. They lock the door. They saw his billboard truck coming and they locked the door. Before he got in there. But he can. But anybody can walk in. And there's two receptionists. So if you see a building that has a receptionist, you know, like a doctor is a private building, you can still walk in and be like, hey, I want to talk to the doctor. No, you need to leave. Okay, I'm leaving.

[Dom]

So it's an invitation. Yeah. Go tell whatever they're going on out there to calm it down.

[Mike]

But so in my opinion, and, and your. Your hardcore cops, fuck this guy. He's a bull. It's a dude with a microphone. It's a guy with a microphone. Do you like him? No. Does he piss you guys off? Yes. I am telling. I talked to Sean this morning. Talked to him this morning. He is the most straight up dude. He will train cops. He will help you learn the constitution. He will advocate for good application of the constitution. He just has a gripe with this place about something we have talked about. And I went on Sean's show is police unions tend to protect bad cops. It's a fact. Especially up north. They will buy guys two, three years of hiding their allegations and stuff, let them catch their retirement and get rid of it. So down here it's a little different. We don't have that power of the union.

[Dom]

No, no. But up there there's pros and cons to unions.

[Mike]

But they. How many times have you seen a bad cop keep his job? You've seen it.

[Dom]

I've never seen it here because we don't have it.

[Mike]

But I'm saying in other places you see bad cops that do things. And next thing you know that like the union steps in and union stepped in down here to Can't Fitness. The union threatened our sheriff's office. When the first sheriff still had a brain and he still wanted to do a fitness standard. They fought a fitness stand.

[Dom]

Wait here in New river county, which, which they did.

[Mike]

There's not much power, but they were. They threatened to sue him and he cut cave because he's soft. I would have been like, sue me. Yeah, like sue me. I'm gonna make sure these guys are in shape. But that's the little power they have. But that's where a union protected the slobs from having a PT standard. So all he did, he wants to ask questions. I'm gonna catch L. Because I'm a cop channel and I. I got mixed dms. I love this guy. I love this guy's guy needs to catch on fire. I that's what I get. But I text Sean this morning. I Said, hey, I'm doing an episode about your. Your episode. You know, I think. I think it was illegal. I don't think it was a good arrest. He's like, awesome dude. And he's like, you know, he's been a real good friend of ours, friend of the show supporter, and I have no problem with. Sean, if you're emasculated by a grown man with a microphone, what do you do with a murderer or a. Or a guy that's violent? How do you handle that? This guy's got a microphone, never known to carry weapon, never put his hands on anybody. You don't like what he says, that's pretty beta. Pretty beta.

[Dom]

All right, guys, well, that's going to wrap up today's broadcast. Jerry, got any party words for everybody? Anybody?

[Jerry Worms]

Well, I'm on Instagram now and I get DM'd, and I'm always good about answering DMS. So if you want to contact me and let have a question or you want to send me a video and ask me to evaluate it and I'll

[Dom]

have fun, I think that's the next counterculture show. Is Jerry committing Jerry to have shown Gary breaking down shows once a week? You know, like just giving it. Just giving.

[Mike]

We got an open slot Tuesdays at 7.

[Dom]

This is Jerry's Instagram. Can you put it up, Eli? Thanks, Jerry. Worms. Just spell. Make sure when you spell worms, it's W, R, M. That's right.

[Mike]

Not worm.

[Dom]

And then Jerry clarified his actual name is Gerald. Underneath here.

[Jerry Worms]

Yes. Thanks, Jerry with a J. Worms with

[Dom]

a U. Yeah, but yeah, go give them a follow. Great insight. And Jerry has been a great advocate for guys going through basic things. When you think you're doing the job and you think you're doing it right and admin hoses you and you just kind of need someone to talk to, you know, and it. It does. We didn't have many of them, but so there were. There were people still around in our agency that would go, you did fine. You did nothing wrong. That's just how it is. It's today's world, you know, and you need someone to tell you, like, am I going crazy? Like, no, you did the right thing. And so Jerry's very active in the dm.

[Mike]

Jerry is also a dog lover, rescues dogs, has two manly dogs. So he fits the manly dog category. He's got two big one shepherd, one Malinois. Jerry is also a dog rescue dog lover. So he cover. Jerry's the guy. He covers all the blocks he can get down in the Hood. He can raise a dog. Got a great family.

[Dom]

We're gonna have to ask Jake about the cooking. 90 of the time.

[Mike]

Yeah, that might be.

[Jerry Worms]

Oh, and. And my son. And my son just got a great job.

[Mike]

Yeah. Huge, Great job. Yeah.

[Jerry Worms]

There's a great news. My son is going to be working for a company out of Fort Lauderdale called the Moss Company. It's a energy and it's a construction company, and he's going to be a project engineer.

[Dom]

We got some smart people in your footsteps. That's the.

[Jerry Worms]

No, he didn't. And. And I also have to give a shout out to my lovely life, my

[Mike]

lovely life, lovely wife.

[Dom]

She's your life?

[Jerry Worms]

She's my wife. My wife is.

[Mike]

She did point out that she was in high school when you were on Cops, though.

[Jerry Worms]

That's true. She's 15 years younger than me.

[Mike]

Jerry did good.

[Dom]

He was watching Fox at Saturday night at 8. He was like, who is this guy?

[Mike]

Liz is awesome people, Wonderful family, wonderful son, great people. So.

[Dom]

And happy belated 40th birthday.

[Mike]

40th.

[Jerry Worms]

40th.

[John Hobgood]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Jerry turned 31 years 71 on Monday, right?

[Jerry Worms]

71.

[Mike]

71. He still gets down in the hood.

[Dom]

Hey, man.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dom]

You look like you're 40 to me, dude.

[Jerry Worms]

Well, I appreciate it.

[Dom]

Yep. All right, tonight we got. If he decides to do it, Hot

[Mike]

Topic, If I decide to do it. I have Lance Fisher on from the police department, who is a thin blue line audit, who is also going after Admin, who's an advocate as well, with Sean Reyes. So tune in 7pm on the Counterculture Inc. YouTube to watch Hot Topic with myself and Deputy Chief former Deputy Chief Lance Fisher.

[Dom]

And tomorrow we'll be back 1pm Eastern Standard Time. On YouTube, Facebook and X, we'll see. Jv team for life.