Empire State Building Couple ALREADY On NETFLIX Documentary (07/03/2026)

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast - Empire State Building Couple ALREADY On NETFLIX Documentary

Episode Date: July 3, 2026
Hosts: Mike, Heather, JoJo, Jay
Podcast Theme: News, entertainment, and conversations for veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans.

EPISODE OVERVIEW

This lively Casual Friday episode features the Antihero team reflecting on controversial team dynamics, public blowback, and an in-depth look at the recent daredevil Empire State Building climbing couple—now featured in a Netflix documentary. The show blends blue-collar humor, hot takes on police/law enforcement issues, audience engagement, and a detailed discussion of the evolving influence of AI on work and creativity.

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MAIN SEGMENTS & KEY DISCUSSIONS

1. Veterans with Service Dogs: Criticism & Reflection

[04:39] – [11:18]

• Team Banter & Satire: The team responds to controversial comments triggered by a previous episode on veterans with PTSD/service dogs, reflecting on the internal culture of "ball-busting" and dark humor in veteran/first responder circles.
• Mike’s Take:

  "I knew it in my bones when I said that veterans that walk around with PTSD dogs are frowned upon by the rest of the veterans." – Mike [04:39]

• Audience Backlash: The hosts discuss the fine line between satire and offense, emphasizing that the show isn't for the “too soft” and is built upon unfiltered conversation.
• Disability Compensation Debate:
  • Difference between VA disability (a compensation for injuries sustained in service) vs. regular disability (which may prevent employment).
  • Application of this concept to other first responders and county employees.

  "The military is basically saying we caused XYZ to you. We're going to compensate you for what we did." – Heather [09:44]

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2. Employment Law, Disciplinary Standards & Public/Private Sector Comparisons

[12:13] – [15:59]

• VA, Law Enforcement, and County Employees:
  • Should other public employees get compensated for injuries off-duty, similar to military?

  "It should be the same level of compensation at all times." – Heather [12:13]

• At-Will States vs. Union Protections:
  • In states like Florida, most employees can be fired for almost any reason (unless protected by law).

  "The pizza place next door, let's say they have John, the full time employee and they're just like dude. Nope, they don't. They didn't keep a paper trail. But they're like, dude, we just don't like John. They can just fire him." – Mike [15:32]

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3. Miami Gardens Lawsuit: Reverse Discrimination Case in Policing

[17:21] – [20:44]

• Case Breakdown: Five Hispanic male Miami Gardens officers sue the city, alleging a black command staff targets “white Hispanics” with harsher discipline.

  "You're seeing a very rare occurrence where white Hispanic males are being targeted by black command staff." – Heather [19:32]

• Discussion: Are racially homogeneous command/staffs discriminatory? Should discrimination be judged solely by demographics?

  "You can't just take it at face value and go yes, that's discrimination. You have to look at everything else surrounding that ..." – JoJo [20:34]

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4. The Reality of Podcasting & Support from “Your Own”

[23:29] – [24:32]

• Illusion vs. Reality: The hosts humorously lament that family and friends rarely support your ventures as much as you expect.

  "Nobody does. I got people in my own family that don't watch this show." – Mike [23:56]

• Camaraderie & Ball-Busting:
  • The informal style draws listeners who appreciate genuine, sometimes abrasive team-room talk.

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5. Main Story: Empire State Building Couple and Urban Climbing

[26:17] – [31:39]

• Incident Summary:
  • Russian daredevil couple, Angela and Ivan, climb to the broadcasting antenna atop the Empire State Building, get arrested, but released after brief court appearance.
  • "Supervised release" until August 24; formally charged (reckless endangerment, burglary, etc).
• Netflix Tie-In:
  • The couple had already been on a 2024 Netflix documentary Skywalkers: A Love Story.

  "Look at that marketing." – JoJo [29:53]

• Debate:
  • Is their prosecution consistent with other city policies (“nobody goes to jail in New York anymore”) and should there be harsher penalties to deter similar stunts?
  • The team contrasts the risks, New York’s lax incarceration, and the priorities of police/public safety.

  "You can't just let people start climbing skyscrapers every day either. Like, you have to have some penalty." – Heather [31:07]

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6. Burglary vs. Robbery: Law Enforcement Training Moments

[33:12] – [35:27]

• Hosts share real-world examples to clarify difficult legal distinctions, such as when retail thefts become robberies or burglaries—especially in edge cases.

  "They teach you in the academy, people say, I got robbed. No, you didn't. You got burglarized." – Mike [34:47]

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7. Critical Video Breakdowns: Use of Force, Optics, and Training Failures

[36:26] – [84:02]

a) Viral Ant Incident

• Breakdown: Woman resisting arrest lands in fire ants, is bitten; viral outrage blames officers.
  • Memo: Social media always frames such incidents as “cops at fault,” reinforcing anti-police sentiment.

  "Regardless of how you got there… The end game is the picture of the ants." – Heather [39:51]

b) Policing Tactics: When Communication Escalates

• Classic “Old School” Policing Video: Aggressive command, cursing, and “verbal discipline” revisited from “pre-body-cam” days.

  “We saw one the other day where… the cop was like, if you touch that gun, I’m gonna shoot you.” – JoJo [66:27]

  • Discussion: Is “tactical communication” sometimes necessary? When does it cross the line to unprofessional conduct?

  “Communication is not often looked at like a tactic… sometimes an escalation of communication… is necessary.” – JoJo [66:00]

c) Trainee Officer Freezes During Major Incident

• Full breakdown of a real-life bodycam where a trainee officer hides during a weapon standoff, holding only her notebook, while a senior officer confronts a suspect with a machete and BB gun.

  "This is what people don't understand about law enforcement—there's no VPK, there's no transition." – JoJo [76:39]

  • Debrief: The hazards of poor training, how "luck" shapes outcomes, and the discomfort of admitting systemic weaknesses.

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8. The Role of Artificial Intelligence in Creativity & Work

[84:18] – [113:02]

• Special Guest JAY (AI “Master”):
  • Pros and cons of using AI for graphic design, copywriting, and business assets.

  "We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter." – Jay quoting OpenAI CEO [85:11]

  • Discussion of the tension between convenience (“everyone’s stuff looks the same now using AI”) vs. the distinct “human touch" needed for artistry:

  "You still have to have a human draw it." – Mike [87:35]

  • Loss of Traditional Skills:
    • Will widespread AI adoption make artistry obsolete? Or will truly human output become a luxury/rarity?

    "Some things have become obsolete. Some talents, some skills... that's sad, though." – JoJo [95:50]

  • Regret Over Convenience:

    "We are creating tools that will eventually lead to our demise… making us less intelligent, less creative..." – JoJo [100:39]

• Debate:
  • Is AI a crutch or a tool?
  • Will it always require human oversight, or will there come a point when it outpaces human control?
  • How do we maintain balance between embracing technology and preserving essential skills?

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• "If you're gonna moan and complain about talk that people have in team rooms, job sites, patrol cars... you're too soft for this show." – Mike [05:02]
• "Nobody does. I got people in my own family that don't watch this show." – Mike [23:56]
• "Look at that marketing." – JoJo, on the climbing couple's Netflix tie-in [29:53]
• "Communication is not often looked at like a tactic... sometimes an escalation of communication… is necessary." – JoJo [66:00]
• "We are creating tools that will eventually lead to our demise..." – JoJo [100:39]
• "We witnessed the end of Blockbuster... We're going to witness another version of this with AI." – Heather [105:23]
• "People buy people at the end of the day. AI can't go find you somebody and put a shirt on them legally, with their consent. You have to still do the hard things." – Mike [118:20]

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TIMESTAMP HIGHLIGHTS

• [04:39] – Veterans with PTSD/service dogs controversy
• [09:44] – Disability compensation and law enforcement
• [17:21] – Breakdown of Miami Gardens reverse-discrimination lawsuit
• [26:17] – Main segment: Empire State Building couple urban climbing incident
• [36:26] – Bodycam breakdown: Ant incident
• [53:01] – Classic aggressive policing: "Get off the beach!"
• [72:14] – Trainee officer freezes during a deadly suspect standoff
• [84:18] – Jay joins to discuss AI’s present and future
• [100:39] – "We are creating tools that will eventually lead to our demise" – AI debate
• [113:02] – Wrap-up, counterculture branding, and closing laughs

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FINAL NOTES & TONE

• Language & Tone: Irreverent, blue-collar, at times coarse and purposely unfiltered. This is intentional, designed to mimic environments like military, law enforcement, and trade job "team rooms” or squad cars.
• Function: The episode is part reader mailbag (reflecting on online blowback), part news commentary, and part cultural humor/observation, always circling back to how changes in society and technology directly impact their target audience.
• Podcast Culture:

  “We bust balls. That's fun to do. We open the show with...might call me a dog killer. Like, that's what we do as entertainment and fun.” – Mike [05:02]

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To sum up:
This episode offers a rich blend of current events (urban climbing, lawsuits), recurring themes of work/identity, and reflection on how both police culture and tech are changing rapidly. It's brash, engaging, and an absolute must for listeners who value real talk—and can take a joke.

Transcript

[JoJo]

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[Mike]

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[JoJo]

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[Heather]

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[Jay]

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[Mike]

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[JoJo]

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[Mike]

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[Heather]

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[Mike]

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[Heather]

Yeah, it's time for the weekend. It's casual Friday. We got the casting couch live today as well. So off we go.

[Mike]

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[Heather]

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[Mike]

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[Jay]

Yeah.

[Heather]

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[Jay]

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[Mike]

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[Heather]

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[Mike]

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[Heather]

and they love animals. Tyler doesn't.

[JoJo]

Why do you keep saying that?

[Heather]

Because you don't like service dogs and

[Mike]

you have veterans that have service dogs.

[Heather]

Whoa. Want to shoot dogs too?

[Mike]

No, I don't. You're a. And you don't believe in self defense, apparently.

[Heather]

No. That you're spinning it to Walmart. You don't like dogs. You said you would shoot the dog in la.

[Mike]

You're practicing your sheriff campaign by smearing me for no reason. I like it. It's good.

[Heather]

He swore it to me.

[Mike]

The other candidate doesn't like you, like. Well, I didn't say that. See?

[Heather]

Where's Trent Buckner?

[Mike]

Ted Buck. No, Ted Ruckner.

[Heather]

Okay.

[JoJo]

Gonna write it down.

[Jay]

All right.

[Heather]

He's an.

[Jay]

He is.

[Mike]

Yeah. So it's Friday. We're gonna break down some videos, do a little reflecting on the reel that I knew was going to cause massive controversy. Though it was a little split down the middle, which I'm happy for, because I knew it in my bones when I said that veterans that walk around with PTSD dogs are frowned upon by the rest of the veterans.

[Heather]

Is that what he says?

[Mike]

Yeah. So, I mean, it was liked by Eddie Gallagher and Chris Craighead. I saw that. Christian crackhead Craig. So that's. He's a. He's a crackhead. No, Craighead. He's the SAS guy. But I mean, at the end of the day, it. There was comments in there that called me an. And it literally did what it was supposed to. That this show is not for everybody. I don't. If you're gonna moan and complain about talk that people have in team rooms, job sites, patrol cars, like, and that's gonna hurt your feelings, dude, you're too soft. For this show. And those. The people that laugh at that. First off, we bust balls. Right? That's fun to do. We open the show with. Might call me a dog killer. Like, that's what we do as entertainment and fun. So if you're too. There was a dude in there that gave. Talked a bunch of. And then I clapped back, and he goes, well, I guess those people are too soft talking about, like, the people that have PTSD dogs. And I'm like, that. I. That's the whole point of the reel.

[Heather]

Like, one guy wanted to come here and fight you too, dude.

[Mike]

There was a guy saying he was gonna make me eat through a strawberry. He was going to physically assault me. Yeah. And over a piece of satire, dude, I told him.

[Heather]

I commented to him that if he sells me ten grand, I'll just beat your ass for him. And then he doesn't have to come here. I'm still waiting for the zone.

[Mike]

I need it first.

[Heather]

Yeah, it comes through. Yeah. But if he does, I got my. My cockfield engraved knife right here to take you out. You can shoot me if I come at you with the knife too.

[Mike]

But, I mean, I don't know. It's.

[Heather]

We got the giveaways later today, too.

[Mike]

Giveaways? Giveaways. We got Jay coming on.

[Heather]

The loudest person in the network is here.

[JoJo]

It's me. It'd be me.

[Mike]

I want to go through and look at some of these comments.

[Heather]

You're gonna go, comments?

[Mike]

I am. I'm gonna go look. Because every time I. Every time I. I go like, oh, man, I definitely want to do a reflection on this. And I'm doing. And I'm like, chilling. I'm like, oh, I can think about all these days the show starts. I can't remember everything. Veterans with service dogs. Let's check this out. I checked.

[Heather]

I sent the email.

[Mike]

How do you look at more comments? Oh, you just scroll down. Okay. I do a Coast Guard dude with a service dog. I mean, a lot of people get it. I'm a vet, and my emotional support dog is a Chihuahua. Like, they get. I can't go. And I can't preface every single thing and say this is a joke, because it kind of takes away from the impact.

[Heather]

I think you're good. I like it. I think you did perfect.

[Mike]

We had Mike over there going, no, I'm not part of this.

[Heather]

So, like, yes. If you guys watched yesterday, the Walmart shooting, when I knew that we disagreed, I crank it up. I knew we disagreed. I knew Tyler's stance. And from that Point forward. I went into full blown argument mode. And that's entertainment.

[Mike]

It is. You can't. No one wants.

[Heather]

People would watch that and be like, these guys must have had a knockdown drag out after the show. Like, we haven't talked about it until just now. We've talked yesterday several times. We had the night show. But when I see like, oh, yeah, Tyler disagrees. Like, this is, this is, this is. I'm going all in. I try that with other people. I get beat up, though. So I don't always do that.

[Mike]

What do you mean?

[Heather]

Like, you know, if you disagree with somebody that's closer to you, that lives in the same house. Oh, that's not good. You don't even pretend to disagree with those people, right?

[JoJo]

Yeah.

[Mike]

No, you just gaslight them and go, you're right. Actually, I don't. What was I thinking? What I do is I gaslight and I go, I express the fact that I really don't care. And so now the other side is like, I just argued with you for 20 minutes and now you're telling me you don't care. And then I go, yeah, you're right, I don't care.

[Jay]

It.

[Mike]

And it drives people nuts. All I'm saying, because at some point you're. You're done with winning the point of the argument, and now you're just like, I'm here to hurt.

[Heather]

Well, I've never won an argument. I've never won an argument.

[JoJo]

First of all, you did when I let you. And I was like, no.

[Heather]

Even then I thought I still felt like I lost. She's like, you're right. I'm like, that doesn't feel like. It doesn't feel right.

[JoJo]

Didn't feel like what I thought it was.

[Mike]

Something's up.

[Heather]

I keep telling you guys, if. If somebody just followed us around with a camera, you could stay home all day. You wouldn't have to work anymore because

[Mike]

we would be rich.

[Heather]

Yes, you would. Would be absolutely rich. All of us.

[JoJo]

So you're talking about the veterans and the service dogs and you probably talked about it before, but what's your opinion then on those California sheriffs trying to. Or police chiefs or whatever, trying to dig at the veterans that are disabled. And they're like, well, if you're disabled, you shouldn't be able to work.

[Mike]

I heard about that, and I haven't heard any updates. I. I heard about it when it happened, and then I have not heard anything else.

[Heather]

My take on that is, is that's a separate rating system in a separate, complete, separate Issue. The military is basically saying we caused XYZ to you. We're going to compensate you for what we did.

[Mike]

Well, look at the argument. If you can, if you're getting 80 disability for PTSD, are you fit to

[JoJo]

be a first responder but you might not. Maybe it's not ptsd or what if it is? Well, yeah, you could. Well are there not first responders that also have PTSD but are getting either counseling or they're doing something, but they're still active and they're on the job?

[Mike]

What about, what about like 80 for like a back injury? Like

[Heather]

again, the way I understand VA rating is the VA is compensating you for what they did to you.

[Mike]

Right.

[Heather]

We caused this. Okay. We're saying. And it doesn't mean you're.

[JoJo]

But it doesn't mean you're debilitated or incapacitated.

[Heather]

We just caused it.

[JoJo]

So it doesn't. That's where people are.

[Mike]

They get it confused with regular disability.

[JoJo]

Correct.

[Mike]

Disability from the government means non VA can't work, you can't.

[Heather]

Where it's in the stipulation you can't work.

[JoJo]

But there's so many things that fall under VA disability from sleep apnea, migraines, erectile dysfunction. Like there's all kinds of things that don't interfere with your ability to do a job. And if you're getting treatment or you're getting medications for it and it makes you functional, it's the fact that the VA has put a percentage of disability on you that makes it possible for you to get the treatment to begin with.

[Heather]

It actually makes more sense. And I know it cost a lot of money, but it's. You gave yourself to someone, you signed a paper, they used marriage. Well that's different because there's. That payment goes on forever.

[Mike]

Is there any compensation?

[Heather]

No, there's none. And it goes off forever. Once in a while you get like a drive thru dollar menu. Other than that there's none. But it's got a coupon.

[JoJo]

Does it make sense now why you annoy the out of me and why

[Heather]

like yeah, I told you our show would be great. So but, but the I agree that military saying hey we you that you were our property. We beat the out of you. Right for years we sent you overseas. Whatever. Here's your conversation. Whereas in the police world, which I will be an advocate for and attempt to hopefully not get assassinated is I believe in the police world there should be a similar rating and there should be similar compensation 24 hours a day on dude, you are on duty to them. If she flies off the handle over there and says something, whatever, it's going to be held against her at her job. Right? But if she walks outside and falls down and breaks her freaking back, they're gonna be like, you were off that day. Sorry, no big deal. It should be the same level of compensation at all times.

[JoJo]

The wording is, I represent the sheriff's office 24 7. Except for when something happens to me and I become some sort of a financial burden and then I no longer represent the sheriff's office.

[Heather]

So like me, Misha's son. God bless. I hope he's getting better. He gets in a car accident off duty. If he ends up disabled, the military is going to compensate him. Even though that motorcycle accident was off duty or the car accident was off duty. They own him. Like he's responsible for his behavior. It makes sense. So it's. It should translate right to. And I'm not just going cops, honestly, it should go to county employees. The county employee is in the same boat as the county owns them. They cut the grass. They're working for the county. They have the same responsibility. They can't get a DUI like everybody else. The county will fire them.

[JoJo]

Yeah, but here's why I draw the line. Because you're saying that. But the reason why the VA or military vets get that type of coverage, for lack of a better word, is you already said it. They owned them where there was a contract. So if you're going to do that, then county employers are going to have to sign the same type of contract and then. And then be owned to the same extent.

[Mike]

But they're not hurricanes.

[Heather]

Essential county employees, even civilians.

[JoJo]

However, that's an agreement that you make in your employment contract to do that on a limited basis. It doesn't mean they own you 24 7. It's a limited basis occurrence where you signed an employment contract saying, yes, I agree to do this.

[Heather]

There's still policies they have to abide by. There's code of conduct that's in any employment job though. That's anywhere, five DUIs and work at Walmart. Nobody cares.

[JoJo]

Not necessarily. Just because they discretionarily let you still work there doesn't mean they can't fire if you that if that happens. Really. So everything is just, what if it goes against some sort of an employment or a policy or code of conduct that they have written in their employee manual? For sure.

[Mike]

It's like, yeah, I mean, I assume everybody has some kind of catch all. Any employment.

[JoJo]

Correct? Yeah, that Is the business model.

[Mike]

So I won't get rid of you if you don't like.

[Heather]

I don't want to branch too far and argue the county workers. So by my. By my thing, ple. I started and I started. I have a draft.

[Mike]

We need a. Of an actual. A counter.

[Heather]

The Heroes Act.

[Mike]

We need a counter that just tracks you losing arguments with JoJo every episode. So we're at.

[Heather]

Oh, what's the national debt at here? Let's see. Current national, like the Dow probably the current national debt.

[JoJo]

A ticker going across the bottom.

[Mike]

Let's see.

[Heather]

Where are we at? National debt.

[Mike]

What the.

[Heather]

I got a bank offer for cleaning up my debt. Current national debt, national debt.

[Mike]

Currently,

[Heather]

I would say my number is higher. 39 trillion. Yeah, I'm losing that war.

[Mike]

One of the things that Heather just said, she signed something saying that in a private world, something offensive or racial on social media could get disciplined. So it is like. Sounds like a cat.

[JoJo]

Yeah.

[Heather]

And actually they can discipline you more because they can just fire you. There's no contract.

[Mike]

Is there anything unions, Is there anything in the civilian private world? We're not talking 1099. We're just talking like you go get hired at whatever full time job and can they just fire you without cause?

[JoJo]

Yeah. It's an out will employment state.

[Mike]

Florida is.

[JoJo]

Yeah. Unless it's something that you can prove is protected. A protected class. So your race, your gender, your age, your religion, sexuality.

[Mike]

So the pizza place next door, let's say they have John, the full time employee and they're just like dude. Nope, they don't. They didn't keep a paper trail. But they're like, dude, we just don't like John. They can just fire him.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Mike]

No lawsuit from my for.

[JoJo]

I mean I'm not from my understanding. As long as it's not. They're not violating a protected class. And you can't draw any or so with some whistle.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[JoJo]

Or some other like whistleblower type of protected class where you can draw that.

[Heather]

I mean but also you can be sued for anything.

[Mike]

So that's true too.

[Heather]

It doesn't really mean you can't be sued, but you can't be sued for anything. Speaking of sued, I'm going to transition that right into the story because.

[Mike]

Oh, I'm not done with the. I'm not done with it. We. I'm not done with the reflections.

[Heather]

You got more.

[Mike]

You just interrupted and started taking it your own way.

[Heather]

Oh my God, dude, I can't. I'm so grateful. It's Friday. I'M gonna put my phone on. Do not disturb the rest of the weekend.

[Mike]

You ruined it. Never mind. Let's just keep going. No mic show.

[Heather]

So reflections.

[Mike]

Come on, Ted, let's go. Damn. What?

[Heather]

What'd he say? We need to get him a microphone. We need him a microphone.

[Jay]

He does.

[Heather]

Eli, you've earned a microphone.

[Mike]

No, he doesn't want to use it because his voice cracks and he's embarrassed.

[JoJo]

So does Tyler. That's all right.

[Heather]

You can't hide your voice. You're doing good.

[Mike]

No, I mean at the end of the day, the reflections are just.

[Heather]

You might let me really do me really send it home this Friday if we. If we had a sheet with what we were supposed to do today. Like normal.

[Mike]

I didn't even make one.

[Heather]

I know. So I know I would know. There's.

[JoJo]

You guys are just raw dogging.

[Heather]

I just realized that I had someone more come back for you. So I said that. That's the wife in me, man.

[Mike]

I'm sorry.

[Heather]

I've been trained well.

[Mike]

I couldn't do everything.

[Heather]

I know, I know. You hit his ankle on the way in or something.

[Mike]

I dropped a monster can on it. Hurt like.

[Heather]

Oh my God. Dude.

[Mike]

All right, what else?

[Heather]

Nothing. I got nothing, man. I'm done. Shows up. Hey, no, I good this morning. So when we were talking about lawsuits, I'm going to talk about Share Screen. This is an interesting one that's going to develop in Miami Gardens and one of the. We have a loyal follower who actually is following a story very closely. Almost a year after filing a lawsuit telling Miami Gardens they would file a class action whistleblower lawsuit, five Hispanic male officers have made good on their promise and are suing the city for alleged racial discrimination. In their lawsuit filed Sunday, the five Miami Garden police officers, Juan Gonzalez, Christian Vega, Francisco Mijito, Rudy Hernandez and Sgt. Pedro Valdez, said they have been targets of ongoing discrimination, including random suspension, removals and harassment after multiple complaints to the city went ignored. So this one's kind of different because they are white Hispanics is what the way. The way it was worded and the entire administration is black that. Can they be discriminated? I know you can't shoot anybody in a parking lot. Can they be discriminated against?

[Mike]

What's the benefit of saying white Hispanics?

[Heather]

I don't know the art. That's what they are. White male Hispanics are subject to heightened scrutiny, bad faith internal investigations, written reprimands for trivial matters and arbitrary suspensions, the 10 page suit says.

[Mike]

And they see, are they able To Is there anything in there to give it context of what happened?

[Heather]

Like some subs the Targeting began in 2020 when 13 year police veteran Francis Mihito's canine partner was taken away and he was removed from the unit. A minor body cam violation. Despite his replacement, black female, having the same exact discipline. But she was given the position.

[Mike]

Oh yeah. That you have enough of those four

[Heather]

other officers experienced similar discrimination four years later throughout 2024. We would. So basically what you're seeing is. I'm going to say it. You have a black command staff that appears to be targeting anyone not black. That was the way it was explained to me. That's Michael Dil's words. I have an inside source into this story and that's how it was explained to me. So you're seeing a very rare occurrence where white Hispanic males are being targeted by black command staff.

[Mike]

I don't think it's rare at all.

[Heather]

I think this is a first time.

[Mike]

I think this is rare that someone's actually got it documented.

[Heather]

I don't know. There's too many all black command staffs though. Like Atlanta.

[Mike]

How the do you even have units that only black people are in?

[Heather]

It's not black people in units. It's black command.

[Mike]

That's discriminate. That's discriminatory. Units full of black people.

[Heather]

No, no, I get it. But you advocate.

[JoJo]

Do you have units full of white people?

[Mike]

No, not. I only speak from where I came from. It was a. Orlando is a mixing pot to say the least. So of like you would never have a unit.

[JoJo]

I guess it would depend on how big your agency is though.

[Mike]

Probably a nerd unit like White collar crime. I don't see many black people doing that. But that's by choice. Probably all the applicants are white dudes because they're nerds.

[JoJo]

Right, But I don't. I mean what I'm saying is I don't think that you can say that just because there is a majority of something inside of you, you know that that alone as it stands alone is discriminatory. Well that by itself on its face, you can't say that just because it's discrimination. What is. What is the rest of the population of the agency look like? What are the demographics of the entire agency pool?

[Mike]

That didn't make.

[JoJo]

Correct. So there's. That's what I'm saying. That's why I said face value. You can't just take it at face value and go yes, that's discrimination. You have to look at everything else surrounding that led to that occurrence.

[Mike]

I feel you, bro.

[Heather]

I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take the heat off both of you. I'm taking heat off both of you. And I'm just going to talk about how great of our a network we have. Yeah. Because our man Kevin Peach, while we're live right now, asked me a question about equipment for his podcast.

[Mike]

What do you say?

[Heather]

He said, hey, man, do you have a. Do you have a list of everything you have guys have? So my setup could be like, you sure, Pete.

[JoJo]

He did it the other day. Hold on. 1 to 3pm Something, something for the window looker and mouth breathers in the room. You understand that a text message can be replied to later.

[Heather]

Yeah. I also feel like the guys supporting our network should be watching the show and not asking Intricate.

[JoJo]

I know this isn't coming from you.

[Mike]

No, he doesn't watch any other Anthony. I love him to death. He's one of my boys. But yet he. This is the second time he's texted me about doing stuff with the network at 2pm I'm like, I would just think it would be a staple in everybody's day.

[Heather]

Like, hey, no, man, they don't watch our.

[Mike]

No, no.

[Heather]

How to set up the cameras.

[JoJo]

No, they have a question. I don't want to. Forget it. I'll send it to you now. Get back to me when you can log out.

[Heather]

Stop watching the show and just text us from now on. Don't, don't, don't do anything.

[Mike]

I quizzed one time. The guy Matt that used to work for us, he moved, but he was doing all of our. All. He was doing a lot of our. What would you call or growth and stuff like that. And I go, trick question for you. When do we go live every day? And he got it wrong. I'm like, I'm not even blaming you. Like, you're not a fan. You're a paid. He was a 1099 employee. He's not obligated to be a fan. But I was like, that's how bad we are at relaying this one to three is that you work for us and you push content for us and you don't even know when we go live. Like, how would that. That's a problem.

[JoJo]

But when did that happen? Right after you changed it?

[Mike]

No, it was during the 11 of one time. So it was. We were. We were rock and rolling for like four or five months. When I asked him that question, he didn't even know. Like I said, that's not really a dig at him because he's A paid employee. I don't expect him to be if I would like him to. But. But, like, when I'm not doing a good enough job of expressing. One to three.

[JoJo]

Yeah. But even if I'm like, if I'm somewhere and I'll text him and he's like, I'm doing a show, and I'm like, different. Sometimes I'll be some. But.

[Mike]

Right.

[JoJo]

But you forget. You're just like. You're in the middle of doing your own. And it's like, I don't. My life doesn't revolve around what you're doing.

[Heather]

Peach forgot us today.

[Mike]

Pop in the comments, especially if you go, yo, we're live. He'll come in like, yo, what up?

[Heather]

Can I come on?

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, let's talk.

[Heather]

That's very fitting.

[JoJo]

What?

[Heather]

There's a Canadian donating money to Joanna because I describe Joanna's normal life as a Canadian. South Park Canadians, heads bouncing, their mouth.

[Jay]

That's.

[Heather]

That's her all day. And they do the.

[Mike]

Let's go. This is something else I talked about,

[Heather]

so thank you, Cody.

[Mike]

I was talking to Heather about this, and it really grinds my gears. Right. So when you start a podcast, no matter what, everybody thinks it. And it's like starting a merch company to you. It's very, very basic thought, but it's. It's. It's. Honestly, everybody does it. There's nothing wrong with it. You run through your list of, like, wow, I have, like, Facebook friends, Instagram friends, close friends, family. Like, I. So many people are going to support me in this venture. Nobody does.

[JoJo]

Unless it's something for free.

[Mike]

Nobody does. I. And like, I was like, talking with Heather and I'm like, man, you know, I got people in my own family that don't watch this show. I'm like. I mean, at the end of the day, you could argue, like, I just don't like it. But it's your best friends and family. Like, when Heather goes to work, she leaves it flat, like, down and on. So we get a live view. Do, like, there's just things you can do. Yeah. And. And that's not. I dig at anybody. I'm not saying, like, you need to watch my show. I'm not a beggar. But that is reality, is that, you know, some people just. They're.

[JoJo]

That.

[Heather]

I don't.

[JoJo]

I don't give a. About saying it. That anybody who thinks, like, I have a couple of people that are. But even the people that I consider close, I go months without talking to them. It's just.

[Heather]

I can. I can attest to that.

[JoJo]

I thought either I'm a Canadian or I don't talk. Which one is it? I don't talk to you. I talk a lot. I don't talk a lot. Which one is it?

[Heather]

Do you see that? You just said like a month without talking Entertainment.

[JoJo]

How can I be a Canadian?

[Heather]

Entertainment?

[JoJo]

Jesus Christ. Can I. I can't even make a point before you interrupt me. You're the Canadian.

[Heather]

Usually it's around my neck.

[Mike]

So what's the two hour ride here and back like? Is that fun?

[JoJo]

Very quiet. Music.

[Mike]

Shut the up.

[Heather]

We said more than five.

[JoJo]

I play music. I don't want people talking in the car.

[Heather]

I was talking to Jay.

[JoJo]

The car is for music and thinking.

[Heather]

I was talking to Jay and I think that was. Was quiet. It was nice.

[Mike]

Fast. Your princess.

[Heather]

Yeah. Brought the big car today.

[Mike]

I saw that. I always look for the Toyota. I'm like, oh, man, they brought the. The beast.

[Heather]

Well, she says, you want me to. We go out in the car. We go out to the driveway. I get the keys of the Toyota. She's like, do you want me to drive it? I'm like, yeah, I don't care. I'm like, well, because you.

[JoJo]

About how much you hate to drive. So I figured I'd do you a solid and drive for you.

[Heather]

See how much talking I get to do. So I. I walk out and I'm like, hey, yeah, I'll drive. You can drive if you want. She goes, well, if I'm driving, taking this, I'm like, okay. That was her way of getting to

[Mike]

drive her fast car on the half electric hybrid.

[Heather]

No BMW. It's all nice.

[JoJo]

All 93 octane.

[Heather]

93 octane. Man, it's four miles to the gallon. Yeah, four miles to the gallon.

[Mike]

We're here. So what I'll do now is. Well, the topic of the day. We usually hit that first, but we were just.

[Heather]

Today's casual Friday, man. Yeah, it Canadian Friday.

[Mike]

So the daredevil climbers, how they did it and what happened to them.

[Heather]

Mean worthy. They made the best meme. Worthy.

[Mike]

It did you. You nailed it. You were like, I've got to get this up. Like, Mike stopped what he was doing that morning and, like, sat on the couch.

[Heather]

Oh, yeah, it was right after. It was right after the show. Yeah, Yeah. I was like, I gotta get this up. Yeah.

[Mike]

So daredevil climbers hit an Empire State Building before the stunt. The climbers, identified as Angela the Russian and Ivan, appeared in the court lower Manhattan on Thursday. A Couple climbed to the Empire State Building on Wednesday, got supervised relief following a brief court appearance Thursday after being formally charged for their engaging stunt. The lovebirds, who currently live in East Orange, made headlines blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, while they got engaged on the Empire State Building. It was all. The couple were arraigned Thursday morning after spending the night in their engagement in separate holding cells. They appeared before a judge, the same black clothes. They were seen climbing on Wednesday. So I will say this, New York's pretty fair across the board with not incarcerating people. Because if you're trying to scale the Empire State Building or any building in New York City and you see these two get literally no punishment. Now, they do have a court date coming up, but, I mean, would they go jail?

[JoJo]

Would they get charged with.

[Mike]

Well, we'll get into that.

[JoJo]

Okay. But nobody goes to jail in New York anymore.

[Mike]

That's what I'm saying. They're at least across the board, it's not just drug dealing.

[JoJo]

What people?

[Mike]

Crazy white people. They are formally charged with reckless endangerment, burglary, criminal mischief and other charges. And it'll. It'll explain why. Why did they enter? Why did they not earn a plea? But their lawyers said district attorney's office overcharged the case. They received a supervised release until their next court date on August 24. Even the Empire State Building's own people said that there was no risk or danger to any of the tenants, to the guest or the observation deck or anyone in the building.

[Heather]

They could fall down on the road and kill somebody.

[Mike]

But officials say police had to risk their lives to get them down. Very fair statement. Right.

[JoJo]

You just tase them.

[Mike]

Huh? Nothing. Oh, that's a good point.

[Heather]

They really didn't have to. Honestly, they did it.

[Mike]

I think all the fact that they have NYPD guys that are ready to go to.

[Heather]

Well, that was the same one we watched, that suicidal lady.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Let's see. According to the criminal complaint, a lock on the 101st security door had been broken. So there's your criminal mischief. Allowing the suspects in the broadcasting antenna More than 3, 1300ft above ground. Investigators now believe the suspect entered the Empire State Building the night before and hid there overnight. That's your burglary. So there's not as cool as I thought then.

[Heather]

I thought they, like, scaled the building. Yeah, they took the easy way out. The dude in Dubai, remember, he climbed the whole building. That was like real deal.

[JoJo]

That was an organized.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike]

On Wednesday, security camera caught them going through the hatch on the 102nd floor. The sources said it appears a couple used tools to loosen the brackets to actual stairwell. Cameras were rolling. The newly engaged couple shared a kiss that they entered the chambers.

[Heather]

Dude, the world is full of ads, man.

[Mike]

I'm just making sure because they. They are on Netflix right here. They're facing numerous charges following their stunt. They didn't just stumble in a hatch. This is what we would call pre observ surveillance.

[JoJo]

They were on that Netflix show.

[Mike]

Yeah. So they. In fact, they were profiled in the 2024 documentary Skywalkers a Love Story available on Netflix.

[Heather]

Well, they're promoting their show because it comes out July 20th. July.

[JoJo]

Look at that marketing. 2024.

[Mike]

Oh, no. But that would have been awesome. Damn it.

[Heather]

Well, now I'm gonna want to go watch it, right? You're gonna be like, oh, yeah, let me see about these.

[Mike]

Netflix. Probably gonna pay their bail or pay their fines.

[Heather]

Interesting.

[Mike]

So that's it. That's what happened to him. That's how they did it. I didn't.

[Heather]

And look, they said the police risked it, but go up. Go back down a little bit to that. Yeah, keep going, Keep going. There's the police risking them lives they're standing on inside of the platform. I watched that. They like, literally just grabbed them and put them in custody. There's no lives risks.

[Mike]

It sounds like a stretch.

[Heather]

Yeah. You can work to redeem your credit card points.

[Mike]

I mean, shouldn't their job cards up? Are we going to make that the standard for now when police have to do their job? Are they. Is there going to be an extra charge? Tack down. What if someone's suicidal? Right. I had to risk getting up on this bridge to get them. We're doing it for their own benefit. We get them help. We don't charge them criminally, but now we're going to hit them with a reckless charge or endangerment charge. Like, you can't do that, but they're trying to do it here. So where do we draw the line?

[JoJo]

That's a wild angle for New York because New York hates cops. But now they like them. And they're going to like, enhance one of the crimes to like,

[Heather]

mom dummy's gonna be like, no way. We're not, you know, we're not charging anybody with that charge. Like, I mean, but you can't let. This is also one of those things. Kind of like, here we are. It's the best season of America ever. Like, you start out with, like, letting trespassing go, letting homelessness know. Then you got drug use on the streets. We can't just let people start climbing skyscrapers every day either. Like, you have to have some penalty. It has to be. There has to be an incentive to not do it.

[Mike]

You got a court date.

[Heather]

Yeah, well, I mean, that's some pretty serious charges. And burglary. I mean, can't people just climb?

[Mike]

But we know for a fact a lot of people, if you're not cops, burglary is a. Is a. At least in Florida, and I'm assuming everywhere else, it's more of a property crime. It's a felony, but it's a property crime. It's not robbery. There's nobody's safety.

[Heather]

She wants to read you the jury instructions.

[Jay]

She's.

[Heather]

Because she's going over her head right now. She can tell you all about. But no, you're right. But she's gonna give me the actual burglary.

[Mike]

You could very easily convert commit a burglary and not even think you did. And that's one of those things where they're like, oh, we snuck in, we stayed overnight, we undid the latch, we didn't even break it. Well, that's still criminal mischief. And burglary. Well, maybe not criminal mischief. If you could prove that, you could just put the latch back on.

[JoJo]

But I mean, it depends on what the burglary is of. But in. Unless unoccupied or whatever the structure convenient conveyance is. But property, I guess what you're saying. I guess in a technical sense, sure. Because you're inside a thing that's property. But who are you likely to interact with, potentially run into.

[Mike]

Well, that's where you get the burglary. About occupied dwelling.

[JoJo]

That's what I'm saying. So burglary by itself, I wouldn't just say it's limited to a property issue.

[Mike]

Burglary charges are more property based because robbery is then the next step. Where a lot of people are. Like for instance, they teach you in the academy, people say, I got robbed. No, you didn't. You got burglarized. But they. Everybody knows robbery, robbed, I got robbed. They took my stuff. Like, no, you were burglarized. We get it. But.

[JoJo]

Right. Well, I mean, they. They call batteries assault up north. So it also depends on the region. Right. So.

[Heather]

But back when I was a young boy, I actually made a case.

[Mike]

I saw your picture on Patreon. That was cute.

[Heather]

I'm gonna talk about myself for one.

[Mike]

You look like you had down syndrome

[Jay]

for real,

[Mike]

by the way, I meant that.

[Heather]

That's good, man. I appreciate it. It's gone up since then.

[JoJo]

It transformed autism.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Look at little Mike.

[Heather]

He didn't wear a helmet.

[Mike]

Lewis.

[Heather]

I definitely didn't wear a helmet, but that's pretty good. That was a good setup. I charged what was one of the first cases to ever go this way, and it ended up winning an appeal. A guy went into a open business, had an issue with his ex girlfriend, went behind a counter where there was a little swing door, and beat her up.

[Mike]

Those are hard, dude.

[Heather]

That they. They. I charged it. Burglary. It was a landmark. First one ever gone through court.

[Mike]

Thank you very much.

[Heather]

They had a bunch of issues, but because he entered an area where the public isn't normally allowed to go. It was burglary. And then they charged him with the burglary with a battery enhancement. He got like 15 years in prison because it was an ongoing issue. But that was one of the first cases. It was probably 2002, three that I charged. What you're saying is. It's just.

[Mike]

We had those all the time.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[JoJo]

They would.

[Mike]

They would go by this little swinging door. They would go grab cigarettes, and the supervisor would be fighting like crazy. Is it theft? But the other ones would be like, no, it's burglary. It's a known thing. Even without signs, you know, growing up, you're not allowed.

[Heather]

If you reach. If you lay across the counter in. In a convenience store and go grab a bunch of stuff from about. You call burglary.

[Mike]

Here's another one. We would always argue because it depends on the response. Right. All right, so let me try to remember this one. I'm at Target. I'm a thief, right. I grab something and I'm running out of Target, and the Target employee grabs me, and I throw him off, and I keep running. And the Target employees hurt robbery or burglary with a battery. And I've heard both great points to it, because first off, the Target employee put himself there. The guy was just trying to get away. But it's a business employee where Target would also be a victim in that. It's not like they took it. They. Like they battered somebody.

[Heather]

But burglary would have to be somewhere in the store that's not accessible.

[Mike]

I'm talking about robbery because they assaulted somebody during a theft. It's just. It's one of those things that you could. Here's what good supervisors do. All right, we'll play it like we're just gonna. Robbery if we gotta.

[Heather]

Yeah. Knock it down. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike]

Because your response. Well, no, it's a retail theft with A battery. I'm not going code. If they're like. And he's gone. Okay, Done a unit there. Yeah, that's. That's a good one.

[Heather]

That's an interesting one.

[Mike]

Should have been a supervisor. Should have been.

[Heather]

Yeah, I would have panned out.

[Mike]

Yeah. So got some. I had. There's a couple videos in our Instagram that people have been asking us to break down. And I just. I tell them like I try to give them to Friday because I can't guarantee that we can get to them during the week. So I want to see if we can get some insight on these before the commercial break.

[Heather]

I have a wild one later. I don't know if it's on my computer though.

[Jay]

All right,

[Heather]

I sent it back.

[Mike]

You wanna. You wanna play a game of don't laugh? I don't know if we should right now. It's word

[Heather]

we try.

[Mike]

All right, well, before we do that, we'll. We'll check this out. So this is the guy I was telling you about with Dominic Izzo when we were talking yesterday delete laws where Izzo had said he's giant piece of. Of a human being because he doesn't try to help or make change. He just wants to sue people and be a menace to police. So. Oh, okay, cool. When there's ants on someone's face, you take the ants off their face youe jackboot thug pig. It's the disturbing video. All right, so it's a little biased already. You can tell he doesn't like cops. Police custody as she's bitten by hundreds of fire ants. The reason she's on the ground in torture cuffs. The reason why there's multiple cops on her is because they made an illegal turn.

[Heather]

There's no left turns, ma'. Am.

[Mike]

They don't even allow walk ups up front. She's pulling into a school parking and the cop escalates it. She was in reverse heading towards a

[Heather]

school where there's children walking into the school.

[Mike]

I had no choice but to use my vehicle to stop her vehicle. What an absolute, total and complete lie. She's gonna run over a bunch of kids if Espinosa doesn't ram her car with his. Is that the. You're trying to sell Espinosa? He takes her down and that's when she literally comes face to face with the fire ants.

[Heather]

Face to face with the fire.

[Mike]

Photos show the extent of the painful bites. I don't know why I okay that. That I'm not picking sides yet, but that's a lot of fire spies. You dirty cops. Because of the jackfruit thug crossing her ankles as though she is a POW in Afghanistan. I gotta take this housewife who's picking up her 7 year old kid here. I better cross her legs and cross her ankles and put my weight on it because she could get away. This is why people hate cops. When there's ants on someone's face. What do you think? Sad unfortunate events, locking the car in.

[Heather]

If she's fleeing in a car, like I get the ants. And that's a tough one.

[Mike]

You. You can't. Let's talk about everything. Let's forget everything before the ants even really. Her being ripped out of the car. Just the fact that you have decided you were taking someone into custody that's resisting it ends up on the ground. We're at ants now.

[Heather]

I had to happen.

[Mike]

Oh, really?

[Heather]

Yeah, we did a. We were doing a reverse dope sales and we were. We had a house. One of the dudes walked in and he took off running. When we went to take him down and we did the same thing. We let him jump in a pool. Literally. We were like, they called him Kid Rock. He had long hair. He looked like Kid Rock.

[Jay]

You knew him?

[Heather]

They were in his hair. Yeah, we knew he had him in custody and it was going down like that. We just took the handcuffs on. We're like, just jump in the pool, dude.

[Mike]

At least you didn't keep the hands on.

[Heather]

Like. Yeah, but we let him like get in there. He had. But he ended up looking just like that. But it was a, you know, felony like resisting and fertility drug purges. But that is an easy one to just like all over the cops. Because the end game is the picture of the ants, regardless of how you got there. Right.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Not one person watches that video and goes, well, she resisted. She didn't comply. She took off in her car. They had to block her in. They had to tackle her. It's all out the window that entire video. And that's. I mean, again, I don't know the guys. He's a marketing gene. Yeah. He's a genius. Because you sit there and bootstrap and stuff. Yeah. And everyone wants to hate the cops. So.

[Mike]

You know what's funny is I really, really, really, really was excited about Jojo's perspective on it. She didn't pay attention.

[Heather]

No, she didn't watch one.

[JoJo]

I'm. I'm dealing with a little something. Sorry, it's.

[Mike]

Well, there's another one. Anyways, long story short, that's a lie.

[JoJo]

You were not looking for My perspective.

[Heather]

No, I was.

[Mike]

Long story short, a woman, it looks like reasonably was taken to the ground because she was ripped out of the car because she was being a Karen and saying a reasonable amount of force used. But she got thrown on the ground and immediately by accident ants all over her face. And they're trying to blame the cops for it and saying that like they're pieces of. Because she got bitten by ants.

[JoJo]

No, because I didn't know there was an ant pile where I took before. Like I don't have spidey senses and terminator vision where I can see where ants are.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[JoJo]

The.

[Heather]

But like I said, that's an easy, easy one. The layup. If you could get tipped off on body cams like that.

[Mike]

I can't even.

[Heather]

You would make the cops would. It's perfect. Because everybody wants to hate the cops and find a reason.

[Mike]

I'm gonna put a mask.

[JoJo]

I feel like everything's always just reversed. That should be the. The bad guy's fault isn't. And that should be the cop's fault isn't. It's. I feel like everyone's intentionally just taking the wrong side. Purpose. Yes. Like just on purpose.

[Mike]

Should I.

[JoJo]

How are you it up this time?

[Mike]

Should I put a mask on and do an anti cop show? I could do that. Like. Well, I was like this guy.

[Heather]

That's fine.

[JoJo]

Those pieces.

[Heather]

You were saying the same thing. If I really. This is where money isn't as important as my character and my take the sheriff run out of it. That's all I would have to do is flip the script on cops and I would have millions of followers just.

[Mike]

I know.

[Heather]

Turn on them completely know all the in and outs and every single body can make the cop wrong. Even if they're not just be like oh, look at this. They could have done that. Everyone's gonna. All the. All the. Everyone's gonna jump on board like, oh, this guy's a hero for turning on the cops. This guy's great.

[Mike]

The cops don't support their own. So no cops are gonna go. This guy is representing us. He's standing up for us. Let's support him. Cops are just like who owe me for being a cop and existing.

[Heather]

If I pulled the old. The old Hulk Hogan bash at the beach. Turn on the WWE drop on Randy. Yeah. Leg drop Randy Savage and turned on all cops. My channel will grow.

[Mike]

You know, it's funny. Amazingly, I think Izzo would actually probably be a lot more successful if he just made the full transformation. He still. His heart supports cops and you could still see it in him. You can still see it in him. Even when.

[JoJo]

Here's what's. Here's what's crazy is that for some reason, the narrative is, is that if you're holding cops accountable, you're anti cop. And if you're. If you don't hold them accountable, then somehow you support cops, which, it seems to me, if you're not holding them accountable, it's like not holding your kids accountable. Do you love your kids? Well, I love them so much, but you've never punished them a day in their life, and they're jackasses and they do whatever they want.

[Heather]

Things like. Says things like, you know, use the second amendment against cops.

[Mike]

And.

[Heather]

And he says some pretty. He knows what he's doing.

[Mike]

He.

[Heather]

He's a good bad guy. But you're right. At the end of the day, he supports you.

[JoJo]

If you. You have to be of a higher intelligence to understand. Sometimes people take words for literal meaning. And I understand. Words have. Words have meaning. Words matter. However, at the end of the day, he also says, every female shouldn't be a cop, and there should be no females that should be cops. But then if you watch them long enough and you use all three of your brain cells instead of two, you realize that he gives credit to female cops that perform and are doing the job well. So when he says use 2A against cops, taking that literally. Literally and not understanding that the. The purpose behind it, the message behind it is that cops are abusing their power and that people need to stand up and. And resist that, but not in a way with violence. But you say something that's super outlandish to grab people's attention and go, oh, well, maybe we should listen to this. Like, what's going on?

[Heather]

He's the ultimate rage bait. But he's doing it. You're right. He's doing it because he cares.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Heather]

He wants you to be so mad at him that you go hit the treadmill after work. He wants you to be so mad at him that you're a female. And you go, you know, I'm gonna prove this dude wrong. I'm gonna start going to Jiu Jitsu and go to the rain. He's the villain. He's Ted Dibias. He's like, Ted DiBiase, the million dollar Man. He's like, he's the character. He's a. He really does care. And his sacrifice to that is, I want all of you to hate me so much that you go, prove me wrong. And what does that do it makes you a better cop. That's really what it is. That's. That would be. That's why when people come after me and get at me because I like, we're friends, I'm just like, you guys are too stupid to realize what he's doing. Instead of being mad at him and telling me how much you hate him, you should be like, fuck, I'm prove this guy wrong. Because if he's hurting your feelings, you probably fall into one of those categories.

[JoJo]

I compare it to this when I was in the training unit and teaching below. Below 100, which some people think it's funny and mock that whole initiative, right, of wearing your seat belt, not speeding, wearing your vest. There was a whole initiative to keep officer deaths to below 100, which is why it's talk. It's called that. One of the things about speeding. And there's this incident in Las Vegas where officers were speeding, they both died, all of these things. And the metro Las Vegas metro chief said he will not have any more deaths on his watch. And if you're not wearing your seat belt, you're speeding, he's going to start writing citations. And of course the reaction to that is what from cops if you tell them you're gonna start writing citations for not wearing a seat belt or speeding hates.

[Mike]

Oh, blue Falcon, right?

[JoJo]

Like, oh, you're the. But let me ask you a question. What the do you see in the. As a grown adult when you have forced another grown adult to babysit you and force you to do the right thing and make good decisions to the extent that I have to punish you. I put a gun on your hip and you can wear handcuffs, take people's civil rights away. And you have a.

[Mike]

Everything good gets hijacked though, because then that initiative to keep you alive then turns into. In a toxic. In a toxic agency. I'm sorry, in a toxic agency now starts turning into? Well, the whole like taking your seat belt off after you're about to jump out on somebody, like, you hit the street, take your seat belt off, you're cruising at 10 miles an hour. You don't need to take your seatbelt off. Like, okay, all right. It takes one second to take your seatbelt off. And then it starts becoming like slow rolled.

[Heather]

These arguments.

[Mike]

Well, I'm running code, I'm almost there.

[Heather]

These arguments require decent humans in charge. Well, decent humans, common sense, leadership and decent humans in charge. But she's absolutely.

[JoJo]

What I'm saying. No, but what, what I'm saying is, is that people get mad when you hold them accountable. Just like cops get mad at Dominic because it burns and it tastes like vinegar. And it's easier to just deflect. It's the same thing that happens in a marriage. It's easier just to deflect and do the tip for tat. Yeah, well, you did this y day, and you don't want to talk about what you did. So you have cops that get mad at people who. It appears like we're coming down on you, and like, we don't like you or we hate you for telling you to do something to make yourself better. But instead of going, you know what? Yeah, I guess I am kind of like a schlub. I. I guess I should. But it's so much easier to go, yeah, well, you're an. And then continue to do the. That's not smart.

[Mike]

Peach is here.

[JoJo]

Peaches.

[Mike]

Where in the comments, he goes, yo, yo,

[JoJo]

you're late. You're late.

[Mike]

Totally forgot about that broadcast.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Heather]

So the vesting, like. But she's right, because the below 100, the vesting is absolutely even. The guy we had in here, Bebo, was like, sending me stuff from south Florida. I'm like, bro, it's. That's all of it.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Like, Edwin Lopez took over Miami Police Department from wherever the he was at. He was at Doral. He was Doral. Police chief runs a great agency. Physical fit runs with the guys, has everybody outside running, doing all these cool things, refuses to wear a vest. And his agency walks around not wearing a vest. I've commented. He's giving me a little slick comments back here and there. He stopped and ignored me. Then he became the chief of Miami Police Department. Huge agency now, and they don't wear their vest, and. And people send it to me, and I'm like, bro, it's. It's normal. It's normal to not wear your vest on Disturbance calls on.

[JoJo]

That's the most out of touch thing you can do. The most that tells me that you're in this job for the paycheck, the clout, the power, the authority, the image. When you don't give a. That you're. You're not mandating or implementing a practice that will help your guys go home at night.

[Mike]

I mean, I just say this. I get it, but at the end of the day, law enforcement's a failing business model. So when you walk in, right? Like, I'm a. I'm a business advisor, and I walk in, and that's what I do. I advise businesses, and they sit there and tell me how it should be. And I go, it's not like that. So you want to survive? And they're like, no, it should be like this. And now all my employees need to feel this way. It's like, okay. And then you walk out and you let it plot like, there. There's no saving law enforcement. There's no turning the. I have not seen one ounce of. Hey, there's a new generation of kids coming in that are going to change it. Like, it's getting worse and worse by the day. And my opinion is sitting there saying how it should be is not going to do anything about it. That's what started law enforcement. It was a bunch of people that couldn't get jobs that became cops. They built a bond and it was. It was strength through power and authority that kept people in line. And now it's like, well, you know, we need you to do this, that, the other thing. And I. I've expressed it a lot. I. Dude, I don't. I didn't become a cop to become a. A computer engineer, which you gotta be essentially to operate all the programs that you got to do.

[JoJo]

You're so salty about that.

[Mike]

And also the case law, dude, when I came in, the year I came in, there was maybe six or seven a year updates on case law. And now it's like six or seven a shift. And it's like, I don't want. I. The theory of it behind it. Maybe I shouldn't have got in because case law is not a new thing. Case law has been coming out since the beginning of our country. So I just didn't understand that.

[JoJo]

You're right. The job wasn't sold to you correctly either. Like, right. When you go into the military and they're like, this is what you're gonna do. And they show you that cool video. You get there, like, where the. All the cool.

[Mike]

Where's the helicopters.

[JoJo]

But this. That's. It's not sold to people the correct way in recruiting ads. And you're like, case law, I have to read. I only got into this job because I'm.

[Mike]

I don't know how to read.

[JoJo]

And when you sell it like that, and there's just this un. Is. Is under statement of what the job is about. You're. It's. I was. Whatever.

[Heather]

I was. Speaking of cool. I have a cool. What?

[JoJo]

No. Did I just win? No, no.

[Heather]

I don't think there was anything to win. Was it?

[JoJo]

I don't know why. No. What are you talking about?

[Mike]

You just said. I just. Oh, okay. Whatever.

[JoJo]

Well, because I Have more points to make, but it's more talking about like a failing profession.

[Mike]

And does it throw you off with my nipple slips out. That's what I need to know. It's like I. You know what? This isn't a serious conversation.

[JoJo]

No, no. The other thing I was going to get into. I only reason I said that is because I didn't want to go down more rabbit holes in woods because I can spend four hours here. The other problem is that you have a universal objective, like law enforcement. You would say law enforcement is a universal objective across the country. Yes, to enforce laws, protect the community. That's a universal kind of thing that we're trying to accomplish. But then it gets broken down into states, and every state is allowed to run this universal objective the way it wants to. And then you have municipalities and other localities that are able to even detach from the state kind of mandate and do their own thing. So when you have a universal objective that's then divided so much as law enforcement, it's no wonder that it's, for lack of a better word, failing. Because there's just too many things that people are trying to do differently. Or the left hand is doing something, but the right hand is doing something. And then if you live in Maine all your life and then you move to Arizona and you're like, yeah, that's not how law enforcement did it in Maine. So then there's this confusion, and then you're susceptible to the different laws when you move, when you drive through states, you have to know all the laws when you drive through states. And ignorance is no defense of the law. So it's just such a cluster because there's a universal objective, but there's no universal standards or applications of how we achieve the objective.

[Mike]

Yeah. So you want. Essentially, you want a. A national police force.

[JoJo]

No, I. There. No, no, no, that's not what I said. That's. That's very womanly of you to twist my words. I didn't know we were doing, like, different gender day. No, but there needs to be some level of a standard across a national standard where there's national expectations.

[Mike]

Uniforms, maybe.

[Heather]

The same orders, same marching. Everybody wears the same risk thing around the. Before we get into the break, I want to play Broward county boys showing out.

[JoJo]

There was no debate. He made that up so that he could just. It was an artificial debate that he

[Heather]

has got a scoreboard going on.

[JoJo]

I'd say an artificial debate.

[Heather]

I got a super chat. Stranger danger. Coffee's on me. Keep on the good work. And be safe. We appreciate it.

[Mike]

Thank you so much.

[Heather]

You are the man. All right, let me play. Broward County's Broward County Sheriff's office finest taking it back old school for us.

[Mike]

Howard is Tony.

[Heather]

Greg. Tony.

[JoJo]

Let's.

[Heather]

Let's show you how you. This is how you handle talking to people and go back to the old days. Is it working? Hold on.

[Mike]

There's just no sound.

[Heather]

Why can't I. I can't even control my own computer. Did you load it, Eli? Yeah, yeah. If you load it, I can't control it. So hold on. I think we're gonna have to redo the whole thing again because I can't do the volume on my screen.

[Mike]

Hold on. Didn't I get in trouble for this?

[Heather]

There you go.

[Mike]

Yeah, you want to go to jail?

[Heather]

I don't give a about going to jail, okay? Come on, man, just give me my ID back. That's all I asked. That's all I asked, okay?

[Mike]

Let me tell you something. I'll give you your ID when I'm goddamn good and ready. Now sit there. Shut the up.

[Heather]

That's how you talk?

[Mike]

Yeah, that's how I talk.

[JoJo]

Original container.

[Mike]

Tell me what to do. Nothing. I'll tell you what to do. Shut the up.

[JoJo]

You.

[Mike]

Me?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Yeah, man.

[Heather]

I'm gonna sit right here.

[Jay]

Be cool.

[JoJo]

Be.

[Mike]

Sit here. Be cool.

[Jay]

You

[Heather]

get better.

[Mike]

Second time in a week I'm dealing this scumbag. You need to stay the at home park. Stay the there. Get the out of my seat. Want to run your mouth over there in front of Sloans with this. The out of my city.

[Heather]

How about that? Come back again.

[Mike]

I'm g. Lock your ass off, sir.

[JoJo]

Okay.

[Mike]

I definitely believe he probably got written up at some point is better.

[Heather]

Hey, do you guys have anything to do with this?

[JoJo]

He's all nice in the beginning sitting here.

[Heather]

You guys drinking alcohol?

[Mike]

Huh?

[Heather]

No original look in these bags.

[Mike]

Oh, is this a.

[Heather]

Now get the off the beach. Get the beach right now. Get out of here.

[Mike]

Listen to me.

[Heather]

Go.

[Mike]

All right? I'm telling you both to go find my shoes.

[Jay]

Please.

[Mike]

Find your and get the out of

[Heather]

here or you'll be taking a ride

[Mike]

too piece of out here drinking, man. You got two minutes.

[Heather]

I come back, I'm arrested.

[Mike]

Both of you.

[Heather]

Throw that alcohol away.

[Mike]

He doesn't care. His body cams on go far away, right? Guys are pissing me the off.

[Heather]

Get all your. Get the out of here. Get it all. I don't want to see you again.

[Mike]

That's a.

[Heather]

That's a turn Back in time to before body cams. There was a lot of that going on before.

[JoJo]

Can I. Before we. Right. Wrong or indifferent? Can I, Can I Right, wrong or indifferent? Can you assess? Only assess. Only assess the effectiveness.

[Heather]

Very effective.

[Mike]

I don't think. Well, what. The dude sitting there, he could have gone both ways. The guy sitting on the ground that wanted his id, he seemed like he was receptive. And then he became combative to match the crowd. Cops, energy.

[JoJo]

No, he was combative. And then he became, he's like, you know what? You're right. I. I got, I got you. I understand the way you talk. And then he like chilled the out.

[Mike]

No. Okay. From what I gather, it went. It went receptive, then angry, and he started saying, you too. And then he went back down. And all I'm saying is if you, if somebody wants to stand on 10 toes and go, no, you. And it gets worse. You just gave everything you had. It's like pulling your gun out and then you realize, I can't use. You got to put it back. Like when you went full blown aggressive. Like I'm going to publicly discipline this person verbally.

[JoJo]

But let's, let's.

[Mike]

I'm all for it.

[JoJo]

Hold on. No, I'm just talking it through. So can we agree that communication and different forms of communication levels. Yeah, but different level, different forms of it can either be successful or unsuccessful?

[Mike]

Yes.

[JoJo]

So in that understanding that, can we agree that it's a tactic?

[Mike]

It is 100. Because you can't go 20ft on the boulevard and pull over Karen and talk to her like that.

[JoJo]

Right, right. So it's a tactic. And would you agree like any other tactic, any tactic can be like Taser can be successful or unsuccessful. Now, if taser, I go to Taser for whatever reason, I'm justified. It's appropriate and it's ineffective. Do I keep trying to use the Taser? Do I go to something else?

[Mike]

Here's the thing.

[JoJo]

Do I. Hold on. Do I keep trying to use the Taser? Do I go to something else? Transition.

[Mike]

Yeah, transition.

[JoJo]

Now, can I do that with communication? Can I try a form of communication? I see that it's. Maybe I use what that is.

[Mike]

First off, a cops. He goes. Not gonna allow him to do that. So let's start there.

[JoJo]

Well, no, but we're not.

[Mike]

Second, you're not going to get written up on a failed Taser deployment.

[JoJo]

Potentially you could.

[Mike]

If this fails and there's a complaint and I. And a supervisor sees that you can't talk like that. That's not Even your argument, I would be like, okay, Officer Jojo, go ahead and show me on the use of force where you can talk like that.

[JoJo]

Show me where I can't. Show me where I can't. Where does it say. But that's what.

[Mike]

And I said, officer Jojo, your life here is going to be hell for the next 29 years.

[Heather]

Here we are and here we are.

[JoJo]

Environment.

[Mike]

No, but hold on.

[JoJo]

To be fair in the environment, you're right. But that's what I'm suggesting is that maybe we look at communication as a tactic like a use of force, escorting someone to the ground, an arm block, whatever right side control, a rear mount, whatever it is. This isn't working. Let me go to something else. Communication sans the ego. Like you have to be competent and intelligent. But if I'm deliberate. Correct. And that's the problem is, is that a lot of people that are looking at that don't understand that there's a difference between emotional communication.

[Mike]

What do you think?

[JoJo]

And deliberate and deliberate and intentional communication that can look like emotion, but it's not because of the deliberateness behind.

[Mike]

I think, I think that was emotionally driven because the amount of. Potentially you can be tactical with your communication and be very stern and aggressive and not. And talk to that guy who's clearly a bum and worthless. And you don't go talk to a taxpayer that was speeding and having a

[Jay]

bad day like that.

[Heather]

Sick of their.

[Mike]

But I think that F bombs show that it was emotional.

[JoJo]

You're talking about the speeder or Karen, the people whom they were interacting with, who's also barking and yelling and being disrespectful is showing a particular type of energy, is wearing a uniform. Does that immediately and automatically mean that you're a doormat and a punching bag.

[Mike]

You're gonna have to go back. You lost me about halfway through that

[JoJo]

why you started talking about. You started understand the question. So you talked about like if you pulled somebody over for speeding or the Karen. And you know, the effective communication is. Has to be discretionary and applied intentionally. But if the person I'm interacting with is deciding, displaying a particular type of energy like yelling and cursing and acting out of sorts and out of pocket, then my. My communication. That person has shown me what type of communication they use.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[JoJo]

And if I use or mirror that type of communication, because you have now

[Mike]

shown me how you operate, there's different arguments. First off, the argument of professionalism. That goes right there. So that's going to be the person like Dominic. He's going to argue well, you don't stoop to their communication tactics because you are the professional. However, that being said, I still think that even if a Karen who's driving her $90,000 Cadillac that lives in the $3 million home, who claims to be friends with all the captains, claims, doesn't really. But if you try to F her like F you to her, it's going to end up a way.

[JoJo]

But why would you, why would you.

[Mike]

Why are you arguing that? If you're arguing that this guy could have been tactical rather than emotional, this cop that we just watched, then you're saying that this next cop in this scenario that we made up that went to the Karen and the ninety thousand dollar Cadillac and he just starts going, I'm sick of your.

[JoJo]

Let me butt in. Let me, let me butt in. Let me butt in for a second.

[Heather]

I'm going to.

[Jay]

Anyway.

[Mike]

Hold on.

[JoJo]

No, but if we're having a serious conversation, you have, do you not in a use of force. Let's look at it like a use of force, a physical force. Right. Do you not have to articulate why you use the force? Then you would articulate. If you're using communication as a tactic or there's some deliberateness behind it, then you would have to articulate why you use that. And if you can articulate it just like the use of force, then I understand.

[Mike]

But it's not indiscriminate that we call, that we all have to deal with in law enforcement. It's called, it's called optics.

[JoJo]

Right, hold on. So Mina, let me go back, hold on. So you, you talk about, you talk

[Mike]

about your discipline right? Now you can keep talking.

[JoJo]

You talk about not like physical force sometimes how the sausage is made. Yes. Because it doesn't always look good. Now isn't communication compared comparative to that where sometimes the physical force doesn't look good, but it's necessary? Maybe communication doesn't sound good. It's a little bit like, I don't know the way that sounds like I didn't like the way the physical force looked. But it's necessary and it's justifiable and I can articulate why it was necessary.

[Mike]

I'm trying to digest. Sometimes your questions are very complex. So it's not that they're on purpose. It's. It's like four things with no commas.

[JoJo]

No, no, let me paint this picture.

[Heather]

I'll go back, paint it one step at a time.

[JoJo]

I'm trying by numbers, trying. My brain doesn't slow down to this. Whatever, whatever speed this is My brain doesn't know what that is.

[Heather]

That's one question at a time.

[JoJo]

So if I have a physical use of force. You have stayed in the past. Like optics. Things look bad, but sometimes you just don't. That's going to help. Look at him.

[Mike]

I know. I'm listening.

[Heather]

She's as good as you are listening on the ant segment. And I wasn't listening to take a break.

[Mike]

We are supposed to at some point. Oh yeah.

[Heather]

Okay. It's a good time for one.

[JoJo]

Do you, do you want, do you want to understand or we're past it?

[Mike]

No, I mean I just feel like kind of like we're going in a circle where you're going not to argue

[JoJo]

that it feels like a circle because you're.

[Heather]

Everything you say is wrong. Everything you say is wrong. No matter what. Even the fact you feel lost. You're not lost. She's gonna drive you back to yeah,

[Mike]

I feel like I was intentionally confused. And you're just going to try to reroute the state.

[Heather]

Just say you're right. Just say you're right. You're right.

[Mike]

You're right.

[JoJo]

If there's a use of force, there's different levels of use of force and sometimes they don't look good. But if you can articulate why it was justified then But I already answered

[Mike]

that was saying optics that's without that get you. Well, that was bad.

[JoJo]

Right? Physical force can have optics right. Where it looks bad. But you, but you would argue you

[Mike]

did the right thing.

[JoJo]

Correct.

[Mike]

But it doesn't matter what. What world are we living in where you did the right thing?

[JoJo]

That's why we're having this discussion. This is why the job is because there's people that judge this that shouldn't and they're. There's overreach that doesn't. People don't understand.

[Mike]

Admin. Are the people that are judging this all admin across.

[JoJo]

Right? Any, any admin. Anybody who's. And not only just admin. Those civilians that are that are subscribing to the optics conversation because of narratives that are fed from people that don't understand that physical use is a force. And then effective communication, although might not sound and look good if it's justifiable through articulation, then it's warranted and it's okay. It's righteous.

[Heather]

Righteous.

[Mike]

Jerry Dilks just wanted wants to know if we're writing this person up or not. He lost interest about 20 minutes ago.

[Heather]

That guy. I, I, I, I, I understand what she's saying because but in this Case I would lean emotional. There's a. The first F bomb. The first like, hey, you're gonna listen. I'm good with it. But when you just start like you said, just every other word. It's really reigniting the scene. But do you need to talk to people? Like, I mean, I. I was a cop before body.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Heather]

So I understand what this is going on here, but there is times when using that type of communication is absolutely necessary. And it may be necessary for 10 minutes because the person is not receiving

[Mike]

and you have the other people just got the fallout.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Heather]

People on the beach got to this.

[Mike]

Hey, how's it going? Get the off beach.

[Heather]

Okay, well my com. My comment. My comment on there was these guys hate alcohol worse than their wives because they were just really mad about alcohol. They were so mad that somebody was having fun drinking alcohol. So it's like the old joke like cops hate their wives. I'm like, these guys hate alcohol worse than their wives.

[JoJo]

Well, I guess what we don't know is what have they dealt with leading up to that. What has been? What is when incidences are issues.

[Heather]

Long shifts, short staff, no vacation.

[JoJo]

How many times have they been out with these people? Maybe potentially with the same time.

[Mike]

How many times has that been a reasonable excuse for your behavior? None.

[JoJo]

What history? History.

[Mike]

Your. Your shift history.

[JoJo]

Doesn't.

[Mike]

Your.

[JoJo]

No, no, no.

[Mike]

You're saying what you. We don't know the, the shift that could have been 12 calls where they don't. No, no, no. At what time is it acceptable?

[Jay]

That's not.

[JoJo]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the beach incident in particular, where there's this recurring problem. Maybe there was a stabbing or a shooting or a murder that was on the beach because of certain individuals drinking on the beach and making drunk decisions. Right. Maybe there's an ongoing problem that's a threat to public health or other civilians we don't know about.

[Heather]

So you're saying it's okay to scream and yell at your mom if she was out there because she happens to be enjoying in the beach. And last week there was a stabbing. So I'm gonna come up and just annihilate her right out of the rip.

[JoJo]

That's not what I said at all. But that's another. Really? That's what it sounds like to you,

[Heather]

but it sound like that to you?

[JoJo]

Oh, perfect.

[Heather]

So two people are justified talking shitty to people because of a past incident?

[JoJo]

No, no. But if you think even further with the use of force can history. What I know about Someone in their history go into the equation of subject factors for my escalation of force.

[Heather]

Yeah, but that's when you're actually putting your hands on them. To walk up to a guy and go, he was a dick last week.

[JoJo]

What I just compared is. I just compared communication to use of force because it's attacking.

[Heather]

I think you're. I think you're. The comparison is in the ballpark. I think that example is wrong because potentially.

[Jay]

And I'm not.

[JoJo]

Listen, also, let me say, I'm not defending this by any means, but what I'm saying is.

[Mike]

I thought you were defending it.

[Heather]

No, no, no.

[JoJo]

I'm saying I get that. That's why I back down the conversation. The conversation is warranted because communication is not often looked at like a tactic. It's just you have to be one certain monotone way all the time. And I don't know that that's necessarily the approach and communication. Let's understand, like, sometimes an escalation of communication. We saw one the other day where the guy had a gun, right? And then the cop was like, if you touch that gun, I'm gonna shoot you.

[Heather]

That's fine.

[Mike]

Right?

[JoJo]

So. But people are like, oh my God, why are you escalating the situation? Everyone lost their mind. But that sent a message to that person, like, we're not around.

[Heather]

I agree. 100.

[JoJo]

Tyler's checked out. He's taking a nap. Consciousness.

[Mike]

Oh, the. The chat, I think, probably checked out about 40 minutes ago. They're all talking about monkey jars. And the. The.

[Heather]

Now they're talking to me too.

[Mike]

Because ADHD, they said you should.

[Heather]

And 30 minutes before.

[JoJo]

That's weird. I thought about that before. That's crazy.

[Mike]

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[Heather]

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[Mike]

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[Heather]

There we go. That was a good curveball he threw that one. Go to cobbville og.com the new website designed right here in the network by my man Jay. It is flawless. It's actually, I didn't realize how bad my other site was, but it was made by bad people. This one's made by good people. There's new products. If you use code ANTIHERO15 you'll get 15 off. The orders are coming in because it flows better, it's more aesthetic and we can also design a website for you within the network. So if you're looking for a website, you get with us and we'll get Jay to bill you want to. So go to cottville og.com use code ANTIRE15 for 50 off. What's wrong? Don't. If it's something wrong, just don't put it up. Just go. Go on. Look, you're the only one. Remove it. Good. Done.

[JoJo]

Good fort Eli.

[Heather]

It had. It was anti herd. There was a D instead of O. But only me and Eli probably noticed that. And then he. It's like when you have pocket aces and when you play poker, Eli, and if you look down at aces you just go man, this hand sucks.

[Mike]

Just want to let you know I'm

[Heather]

glad I caught it because I saw it. Yeah, that happens all the time.

[Mike]

Everyone. Jimmy announced that I up an order.

[Heather]

Oh, it was great, dude. But there was another time last. There was a couple weeks ago when we did the same thing. I put it was that anti herd instead Anti hero.

[Mike]

Are you sure?

[Heather]

It's probably my. It's my fault. It's my fault because. No, it's a d. What happened was Jay made it correctly, sent it to me, but I needed to remove the background. And when I had, I threw it through AI and it turned it into anti herd. So that's my fault, not Jay's fault.

[Mike]

And here we are. All right, jay, coming on 2:30.

[Heather]

Okay, I got another video.

[Mike]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Heather]

It's a longer one, but it's a wild one. So I want everybody to get ready. Get ready. Good. Anthony, point a gun at him. Is that a real gun? Seven AC max. Let me back up now. Got one at gunpoint.

[Jay]

Anthony. Anthony.

[Mike]

Anthony, put the gun back.

[Heather]

Is that a cap gun? That's a cap gun. This is not a skit either. This is real. 7ac Mac.

[Jay]

Jane. I'm gonna shoot him.

[Heather]

I'm gonna shoot him. It is real. 7.

[Mike]

If you don't know, you guys know the outcome. So I. I can see why you're laughing. But, like, I could only imagine being in this cop shoes right now because you do not want to kill somebody. And things are leading you to believe in real time. It's a toy. And then all of a sudden, you're feeling like it's not a toy. You can't risk it. It's got to be.

[Heather]

But you also didn't notice at the beginning there's a female cop there, and she's now hiding.

[Mike]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Heather]

Yeah, she's hiding. It's gonna get worse.

[Mike]

It's gonna get worse.

[Heather]

He doesn't know. Look at my back window. Get over there now. Get over there now. Mary Jane. Get over there now. The fact that he knows everybody's name by first name is awesome, too. Get over there, West Virginia. Anthony, get. You're gonna wind up getting shot.

[Jay]

By who?

[Mike]

This part.

[Heather]

This part's definitely real.

[Mike]

Get over here. You're gonna get shot.

[Heather]

You're gonna. Get down now. Sergeant Bruno, put it down now. Put it down.

[JoJo]

Look at her. Look at her.

[Mike]

Put it down.

[Heather]

Yeah, she's training, but she's still a cop. Put it down. Put it down now. Put it down now. That's brass knuckles on his right hand. On machete in the left hand. Where's that Other girl, She's hiding. Yeah. I do not want to do this. Put it down. She's hiding with her back to the open door of a trailer where we have no idea who's inside. There's still an empty trailer. There's a trailer. There's a door. It is insane work. And Eli said she's a trainee. I get it. But she went through the police academy. Now she's on the road. She's learning how to be a cop. And this is her first encounter of any sort of, you know, other than a five over speeding call. And she's hiding. Go ahead, roll scene. Put it down now. Put it down now. Put it down now.

[Mike]

Anthony,

[Heather]

put it down.

[Jay]

Come on.

[Heather]

Put it down. Put it down now. Put it down. She's a hide and seek out champion.

[Mike]

As we speak, she's winning at risk.

[Heather]

Him going, notebook in her house. She still has notebook in her hand.

[Mike]

She's still got a notebook in her hand.

[Heather]

Both hands on a notebook. Hiding. Training. I don't care if you're training or not.

[Mike]

Here's the thing, man. It's like I, I, the cop, the backing up, not shooting. Shooting is a total. But when he starts advancing towards the mom, I'm assuming with a machete. You can't risk that anymore. That's. That's on this. What do we always talk about on the things of importance?

[Heather]

Innocence.

[Mike]

They're above you, so now you don't have a choice. I could only imagine when you become a cop, you always think, I, if I shoot somebody, it's going to be a bad guy, a bank robber, a murderer or somebody. And it's like most of these things, it's like I'm gonna have to kill someone who wants to die, and I'm gonna have to be the guy that does it. And it's like, this isn't how I pictured killing somebody as a cop, but unfortunately, the way things are, it's these scenarios and like, I'm watching this going, please don't force this cop to shoot you. And I'm not even the cop.

[Jay]

No, I.

[Heather]

And that, that. And that's the emotional side. That's right. You're right. You think I'm gonna shoot a guy that's, you know, deserves a shot.

[Mike]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Heather]

But obviously, kind of like going back to her point of, like, standards across the board throughout the nation. Like, this guy went through a police academy, he became a cop in this area.

[JoJo]

Some people might say that she has good de escalation skills, so.

[Heather]

And then you got that guy only

[Mike]

Had a service dog.

[Heather]

And then, then you get, and then you get to the point of like, she's being trained.

[Jay]

Right.

[Heather]

She's a trainee, she's being trained. She went to a police academy and this is her first time to assess what is supposed to happen in a critical incident. And she is both hands on a notebook, hiding behind a car, no gun out, no position.

[JoJo]

This is what people don't understand about law enforcement is that there's no vpk. There's no transition from academy to your first day on FTO and your first day solo beat. There's no transition. The, the fight of your life might be day one of fto.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Think about a dude that they say, okay, she's in training, it's her first day. Think about it. First day in Chicago. Think about the first day in la, Oakland. Like your first day is probably like. And that's why those academies, I would, you know, they go through their own academies, they have massive training. I know one county south of a St. Lucie county has like a huge like 12 week program of all. And I'm sure Orange county has like a huge academy. You guys do it in house. Before you get out of the academy, you do an in house training, large amount of large block. And then you go on patrol. Other agencies week, two weeks, they throw you right out. Classes that are supposed to be two days or four hours. So they enhance so that they speed through. Because you know what? This doesn't happen in this town. Right. This doesn't happen in West Virginia, wherever we're at. But that until it does.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[JoJo]

You know, keep watching because it gets better.

[Heather]

Oh, it gets better.

[JoJo]

Anthony, put it up.

[Heather]

Trying to help Mary Jane. Move over by your car now.

[Mike]

Don't go by your car. That's. And to be fair, Mary Jane needs the effective communication of. Get the back there now. I'm not around.

[JoJo]

But since. But someone would say that's being.

[Mike]

Do you think. I have a question. Do you think legally this officer, if he had to shoot this guy would be used against him if he expressed to Mary Jane, if you don't back off and get out of here, you're gonna force me to kill your son when he comes after you with a machete? Yeah. You're forcing the situation. Do you think it'll be used against him in court by saying like he was preemptively knowing he was going to shoot this guy? No, the shittiest things are used against cops.

[JoJo]

I mean, will it be. Yes. Will it be successful?

[Heather]

Criminal.

[JoJo]

Depends on the journey.

[Heather]

No criminally No, I think Mary Jane

[JoJo]

sues them pretty civil. Yeah, yeah.

[Heather]

Civilians be like, you shot my boy.

[Mike]

Yeah, you. And you said it. You were going.

[JoJo]

And you had, like, a premonition that

[Mike]

you were going to. But she's forcing the situation even more by not actually force.

[Heather]

She is forcing it, but also, we just got talked about it. She is more important than the cop. Technically, he is supposed to create an environment where Mary Jane isn't in danger. Maybe the backup officer that was hiding behind the car should have got Mary Jane and took Mary Jane over to the. To the location and said, get out of the area because you're going to see more. You got to watch the rest of it because we're not done yet. Put the machete. Put it down.

[Mike]

You're already in trouble hiding it. Now back to his left back at the station.

[Heather]

Yeah, she might have walked back to the station. Put it down now. Put it down now.

[Mike]

That guy looks like Insane Clown Posse.

[Heather]

Yeah, he does. Bob, come out of the house. Don't cook. Mary Jane, I'm in the house, too.

[Mike]

I don't care.

[Heather]

Mary Jane, I gotta take this serious. I know y'.

[JoJo]

All.

[Heather]

I know he probably won't do nothing, too. But you gotta understand, you have to. To get back now.

[Mike]

Oh, he's coming in like a siren dude.

[Heather]

And he's coming in with no vest.

[Jay]

He's right.

[Heather]

Right on the inside of the door.

[JoJo]

He won't come out.

[Heather]

Get the out of the house now. He's shot the back window out.

[JoJo]

Get the out right up. Number one.

[Heather]

Get the out now.

[Mike]

That rifle shoulder.

[Jay]

Come on.

[JoJo]

Terrible.

[Heather]

Come out, Bob.

[JoJo]

Come out.

[Heather]

Come on over here. Why you hold your arm like that? Is there anyone else in the house? So Bob's been in the house the whole time. Look suicidal.

[Jay]

I should.

[Heather]

I had a clear shot.

[Jay]

I should have taken it. I'm regretting.

[JoJo]

I regret not doing.

[Mike]

I regret.

[Heather]

Just wait for backup right now. I mean, I think the only other back door that far side for the subject inside with the machete nail supposedly does not have any more bullets. This is Anthony Bob Gardner.

[Mike]

Why would you even put that on the radio? You have to treat it like he has infinite rounds of ammo. Supposedly, he doesn't have any.

[JoJo]

I don't know.

[Mike]

I don't. I don't.

[Heather]

Why would you. What. What did this dispatcher need to know that for?

[Mike]

No, nobody needs to even have that in their head.

[Heather]

No, that's what I'm saying. They're. They're stalling at this point. They don't know what to do? What to do?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Heather]

No, absolutely not.

[Jay]

Right now.

[Heather]

He's currently cutting with the machete. I cannot have you go to the door. I cannot have you go to the door. It sounded like a pop gun.

[Mike]

You know what's crazy is that when you as. As you're the commander of this scene, you're the law enforcement officer of the scene, right? You tell people what to do for their own safety and the safety of everybody else in there. How crazy is it if like mom starts walking to that door and you have to tase mom so you can get her the out of there so

[Heather]

you can deal with son because you have no control.

[Mike]

That's West Virginia right there, dude. Or Florida. That's probably a Florida thing too.

[JoJo]

Let's.

[Mike]

Let's make and make entry. I'll cover you.

[Heather]

Here comes the plan. Let's. Ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna make entry. Let's make entry real time.

[Mike]

Did we lose anything?

[Heather]

No, that's all the spit up. So now we're gonna make entry. I want you to think. Make an entry to a known armed subject.

[Mike]

Chuck, were you good, man?

[Heather]

And there's three. And there's three cops on scene, right? But the only two go and then watch. Just watch this disaster.

[JoJo]

It's a cool thing.

[Heather]

We're going taser now.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's.

[JoJo]

We're going.

[Heather]

We're leading with the taser. We're going bore one. Taser.

[Mike]

What's his name?

[JoJo]

Holy.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Hands, hands, hands, hands

[Heather]

shouldered, rifle. And then all's well that.

[Mike]

Okay, that's good.

[JoJo]

Guess what the failure too is that these guys, if they debrief, they probably maybe don't, but they'll go, man, that ended so good. That was such a good ending. Much success. We did all of that perfectly.

[Heather]

Yeah, I'm sure that conversation at the end was like.

[JoJo]

Like they high five.

[Mike]

We de.

[Heather]

Escalated.

[Mike]

That went to Bojangles after that.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got the Hoover extra biscuit at Bojangles.

[JoJo]

Want to do it that way again? It's going to be done that way again.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah. How about that one, man? And. And for anybody watching, dude, I'm not. I'm not advocating that you have to central nerve shot somebody. But the. How about the girl? I'm sure she's still there.

[Heather]

How about the girl?

[Mike]

I'm sure she's still there.

[Heather]

I hid the entire. Yeah, that's the only place. That's the only place that came out that just hit like two. Like you just saw it Right. It was like a week, less than a week ago. It went all over, but it's so long that it hasn't made its Instagram rounds because it's too long to, like, break down. There's really no one moment you can, like, justify that clip. You have to watch the whole thing. But, I mean, I guess I got it sent to me about 30 times that said, look at the female. 30 by 30 hiding. That was everybody's first because that happens at the beginning. But that video just gets worse and worse and worse as it goes on. And I think it ended up being a BB gun.

[Mike]

That's why there was damage done.

[Heather]

Yeah, but they broke the window with the bbs. I think it was a BB gun, but what a disaster, man. So.

[Mike]

All right, let's bring on Jay.

[Jay]

Jay.

[Mike]

Yo, he's muted. You're muted.

[Heather]

You muted yourself.

[Jay]

Yeah, sorry, I was being a spastic. Can I say spastic?

[Mike]

I'm sure I can.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You're good. What's up, man?

[Jay]

No, nothing much. I'm just gonna talk about AI and boss people.

[Mike]

Well, we figured we talk about AI so much and how it's used in our businesses and the pros and cons of it. We figured, you know, the. The AI master himself, Jay over here, we could have some good discussion about, you know, when to utilize AI, when not to. When to. When to bring in both AI and human element graphic design.

[Jay]

So don't tell anyone that I'm an AR master. It's not. Not that cool. Is.

[Heather]

Is because you sent me the banner for my page and then I needed to AI it to remove the background.

[Mike]

Yeah, you never AI AI.

[Heather]

And then it changed that. It changed the O and hero to hero a D. So I screwed up.

[Jay]

So I just want to give you a quote, first of all, from the CEO of Chat gbt. And. And he said we see a future where Intelligence is a utility, like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter. So I'm wondering what you guys think of that.

[Mike]

It's coming. They're going to start charging.

[Heather]

Well, it's already. I paid. I paid for. I pay for Chat GBT because I get to do more with it and it doesn't shut me down after, like so many queries. Like, if you start doing a lot, it'll be like, hey, you don't pay for this, you're gonna be on a 20 minute break. So I. They sucked me into like 19.99amonth. And he's right. I could see where eventually we'll be paying for AI like we're paying for gas. We're just gonna have to have it every day. You can't live without it.

[Mike]

I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I, I succumbed and used Chachi BTA for the first time. And the reason why I'm bringing this up is we've had a graphic designer, her name's Natalie, for a long time and she makes a lot of our artwork and stuff like that. But we were having a real problem, all of us. Me, Jay, Natalie with the counter, the new counterculture ink design. And my concept in my brain wasn't getting out there. And so I had Natalie draw it, but I was like, it's still not. So I took Natalie's drawing and I took an image that I wanted to replicate and I told Chat GPT to put them together and then boom. It was like the perfect logo. And it took a human brain to create the skull. Because one thing I'll notice is that there's things about artificial intelligence that it's not good at. It's not like it's not going to make you a detailed skull. That's for you. You still have to have a human draw it. Like if you want like a very detailed, significant looking design. Like for instance, I bring up skull because it's an easy one and we wanted one for counterculture and AI was just pumping out regular looking skulls, cool logos, in my opinion, really shitty generic skulls. And so she drew up the skull, AI compared and it just, it made a really awesome. And we had to, we had to use both, we had to use AI and we had to use a graphic designer to help, like, so I, I think that using both is very, is very beneficial. Yeah.

[Jay]

I mean, both have their pros and cons really. I mean with, with AI, it kind of like enhances your own creativity. Because I can't draw for at all, but I can explain what I want quite quite well. So just, it kind of gives people like me that can, that can't draw. It gives us a way for our creativity to be shown somewhere else. And there's a difference of it being a crutch and a tool though, isn't it?

[Mike]

Yeah. Relying on it too much, like you're saying, is probably bad when you. And I see that. Because what I see is I see all of these, I scroll through my timeline, right. And I see all these people that I know have no ability whatsoever in any type of graphic design and all of their flyers look exactly the same.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And everybody's now making flyers for their businesses. And I'm like, this is all chat GPT and is it effective? Yes. But are we going to come too reliant on it? Absolutely.

[Jay]

And then the counterculture becomes the not counterculture because everything's the same, isn't it? And yeah, and that's the difference where like, where you see like all the YouTube thumbnails are the same because everyone's using the same prompt. So they're all getting. Yeah, it's just gonna get to a stage where, yeah, you need to kind of prompt it differently to stand out. And I mean I've got, I've got three tips that I wrote out and, and I will, I did like a two page thing. So if anyone is actually interested, just jump on the discord and they'll be like a big thing.

[Mike]

Let's talk about the pros and cons. Right. So you know, a graphic designer, you're essentially paying for labor, right?

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike]

But if you don't have a lot of money and you want to make promotional, like I like, I have shirts, right. And I want to throw them up on the Instagram and stuff. And I was like making a cool background. Made the sickest background I've ever seen. I can't, I can't afford to pay a graphic designer to make me one of those every single day. And so it's very beneficial when you're like, I need to constantly pump out and compete with other businesses, but I don't have the money to pay a graphic designer. Because you gotta think too. They're an artist. Right. So they're gonna put their blood, sweat and tears into something and you're a business person and you're gonna go, I don't like about 40 of that.

[Jay]

But are they though? Because you're just another customer to them.

[Mike]

Yeah. And so they're like, okay, well then we need to like, we have to like, then they're gonna swift their mindset. They're gonna go, okay, why don't you start charging you? Because I thought this was amazing. But you're the business owner and it can get really expensive to have a graphic designer on that you don't have a good relationship with. But there's really no way I could pump out a new shirt post every single day and pay a graphic designer to do it, not design the shirt. I'm talking about like a shirt with a background and editing and there's just no way anybody could afford that unless you're a huge business. And then even a business is going to go, whoa, whoa. So this is just for quick social media pumps. Yeah, we're not paying a gravel designer to do that. We'll just have AI do that. If it's. If it's nothing of significance. Significance would be like a shirt design that is very significant. That is something where you need the best work done and. But like a post per day.

[Heather]

How do you know? Yeah, and that. How do you know the graphic designer is not to just use AI anyway?

[Mike]

That is another thing.

[Heather]

How do you know the graphic designer is not just gonna use AI and then you're just paying for something you could have done?

[Mike]

It's almost relieving to see some things. Not very good.

[Heather]

I'm at an interesting age and. And staying involved in. In technology as I'm older and it's kind of here. Whereas, like, my grandmother never got into, like, really the Internet. She knew how to use, like, mail. Email. Right, Email. Well, but I go from my version of memes writing in my life was newspaper clipped. Like, we use paper and, like, taped it together, made a photocopy, and then stuck it to somebody's desk. Then became like, jokes, text. Then we're in the meme error. Now we're in the AI era, where you're right. It's like instant. Like, something happens on the tv. Like, the guys go up and put the flag up. Within seconds, we're all AI in our own version of that out.

[JoJo]

I wonder how much adverse effects it has on, like, independent, like, artistry or like, the evolution of losing that talent over time because the talent's not being used or practiced.

[Heather]

That's excellent.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[JoJo]

Like, so what. What happens to artistry?

[Jay]

Yeah, well, it evolves, like, like anything else. When you had, like, the Industrial Revolution, you. You went from farm into factories. So you either get people that don't, but, I mean, the problem with AI is it's happening at a much, much faster rate than that.

[Mike]

So.

[Jay]

Yeah, so it's changing society, changing behaviors. I mean, you get addicted to it and having girlfriends on it.

[Mike]

We're. We're here at 2026. Right. So I own a clothing line, and I'm now talking about utilizing AI for so many components of this clothing line. Right. But I'm still the owner. I'm still competing with human owners that are also utilizing AI. Right. Let's say it's 2036, and AI goes, well, I'm just gonna set up an entire shop to compete with yours and run everything myself. Set up all the programs in milliseconds. And now AI is Competing with you to make money. And, like, obviously there has to be a human on the other end of it. But let's just say Jay's like, I like that. You don't know me, right? You're Jay from England. You're a dick. Yeah, you go out. I like that Counterculture Inc. Threads website. I like that Counterculture Ink vibe. AI make me something that is legally different enough, but copy it, make it better, because I have more money to distribute. And then AI copies and then just put you out of business. And they set up all because there's a lot that goes into it, dude. There's LLCs, there's distributed distributing, there's the shopify. There's all kinds of things that we kind of take for granted once we master it. But those takes weeks to put together and get everything ready to go and efficiently. AI could do it in milliseconds, dude.

[Jay]

Well, that's what I'm saying. That's happening now. You say it's 2036, but I don't know how to code. And I've built an app. Like, so I've essentially, I've. I've built an app on code when someone's gone to college or anything for like seven years, paid like $120,000, and I'm just about. On AI and I build an app. So it's already happening now with certain industries. But I think going back to. To what JoJo's point was about artistry and having it degraded. And I think that's what we're trying to do with the. Having the. The graphic designer with AI, because as you can say on. On everywhere on YouTube, you see all the same thumbnail and everything. But when you combine someone that actually understands art rather than a. That gives everything a go, like me, and then you can. And. And I'm specifically really good with AI. And so when you combine the two, it will.

[JoJo]

I agree, it's. It's going to evolve into something different. But I think that, like, if you're a designer and you're coupled with AI, you become more of an ideas person than an actual execution of the artistry. So I still think the artistic execution starts to go away. Now you're just somebody that's dreaming up the art and not.

[Jay]

Isn't that artistic execution, though, because you're actually intellectually. Intellectually to an actual AI, so you're actually actually describing it to an AI chat box.

[JoJo]

Absolutely, absolutely. But you're not like. It's like somebody being able to envision a painting, but doesn't mean that I can paint it.

[Jay]

Yeah, no, but you can describe it for sure, produce it.

[Mike]

It's just a different form of art.

[JoJo]

But I think that you lose that actual physical artistry capability over time because there's no human hand carrying out art anymore. They're only dreaming up the vision or the image.

[Jay]

Well, think about it. Like with artists, you'd say like really, really, really good artists. A few and far between. And I think that's going to be the same with anything. I mean really, really good plumbers and builders.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Jay]

So with AI you're going to get people outliers. Like, I mean, I would consider myself quite proficient and there's not many people out there and I can do it, but I've only done this in about six months. So if I can do it in six months, it's going to be as you say, everyone's going to be able to do it and no one. You're right way.

[JoJo]

It's unfortunate. I think across time we know this, that some things have become obsolete. Some talents, some skills have become. And that's sad though. Animals have become extinct. But it's just kind of sad to be in the moment of it knowing that that's the direction it's going in. And eventually that's going to be an obsolete talent or skill.

[Heather]

I could see his comparison though is I still think if somebody stays the course as an artist, they will then present their work and will stand out as it's not AI and people will maybe even gravitate to where that becomes more expensive. Like you might. The per. An artist might actually be able to sell stuff for more money going, this is authentically.

[Jay]

The records came back, didn't they?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Like record.

[Heather]

Yeah, like records or nostalgic items where it's like, I do this real because as you've shown, you can make a hit music song out of AI like you could become.

[Jay]

You can become a millionaire.

[Heather]

Only so many people can sing and we, we praise the singing. Like. Like when you see what the voice or one of those shows and somebody sings, you're like, man, that's amazing. I don't think we'll ever be impressed in that field by AI It'll sound cool, it'll look cool, but we'll know it's not real. And will we know?

[JoJo]

Will we know? That's the other scary part.

[Heather]

So we have to go and do it. Like at some point there'll be a robot up there.

[Jay]

Will Smith with the spaghetti. Will Smith. Smith with a spaghetti.

[Heather]

John from the New York show Unfiltered. Finest Unfiltered. He posted somebody made an NYPD like, rap song out of about working overtime. Details. And it's flawless. It's amazing. But somebody commented, I would push this all over my social media platforms. If this was actually a person singing and they were talented enough to write this and do that, it's AI I'm just gonna leave. It's pretty cool. So I still think until we don't know that people are real and we're walking around going, is that dude real or not? Like, until we're at that point, you're. I think you're still me. Speaking of myself, I'm gonna still be impressed by a human that walks on stage, sings flawlessly, or draws something, creates something from hand and go, man, that's amazing. Yes. This is easier.

[Jay]

Cool.

[Heather]

I'm on my thumbnail. I don't want to have a way for somebody to draw it. This is convenient. But overall talent, I still think at this point is going to be somebody who physically can sing, can dance, can do whatever it is, in my opinion. Yeah, we may lose that, though. We may lose everything.

[Jay]

They'll change after our generation. Do you think that, like, it will get to a stage where we're all just the same?

[Heather]

Yeah, I think so. I think at some point, like.

[Mike]

Yeah. Well, look at what you said about thumbnails. You look at, you scroll through YouTube, every thumbnail looks exactly the thing now. Now, good ones utilize AI if you're really good at what you do, you're a content creator or you're a graphic designer, you're going to use AI to assist you and making a very catchy thumbnail that people just gotta click. Those are the professional ones. But every out here, including us, everybody is using. Well, I don't use AI for our thumbnails, but everybody uses AI and everything starts kind of like, looking so jumbled. Every thumbnail is not branded very well. And I. I don't say every, but that's not wrong.

[Jay]

Spelled wrong.

[Mike]

Spelled wrong. It's not branded. Every thumbnail looks completely different. So how could you tell a show if every single show, the thumbnail looks completely different? Yeah, there's just things like. And then you start looking like thumbnails on everything else on YouTube. It's just. It's a very. It's a very sketchy road to go down to rely on AI when, you know, like, we. We make fun of me, but, like, I still make my thumbnails from inshot on my phone.

[Jay]

And that's a Good skill to have because there's one day like, like we said with the them having it as a utility, they could just switch it off and how am I gonna make a website if I don't have access to the tool? So I just gotta try and do as much now. But it's true. Yeah, they could just literally be like the government could say, right, this is too intelligent. We don't want them having it. And then they turn it off and then the artists will come back. So it's.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, what do you guys think?

[JoJo]

I hate AI.

[Mike]

I do too.

[JoJo]

I hate it. I refuse to use chat GPT but I resist.

[Mike]

I used it and it worked.

[JoJo]

No, I won't. Of course it works that. So did their tactics on that trash ass call. Just because it works doesn't mean it's a good.

[Mike]

No, but it doesn't mean that like that worked. Like that would be like the best out. It was like the best outcome.

[JoJo]

But how do you know you didn't even try to do it yourself. Maybe you would have had a better outcome.

[Mike]

We talk about the graphic. The graphic I made.

[JoJo]

Yeah. Or some.

[Mike]

No, we had some other avenue. No, we had a graphic designer like give it their.

[JoJo]

Maybe a different graphic designer could have given it their best.

[Mike]

But that cost money and time for sure was free and.

[JoJo]

But what do we know about Americans in general? That because something is easy, quick and convenient, all those things.

[Mike]

But your competition say fat.

[Heather]

Yeah, sorry.

[Mike]

Your competition is moving at that speed. So you righteously. Yes, staying slower.

[JoJo]

We are creating a demise. We are creating our own demise because of that. That instant gratification and convenience. We are creating tools that will eventually lead to our demise. And they've made movies about it. I talked about it last time where movies, south park all predict all of these things and it's for a reason. But it's making us less intelligent, less creative, less independent thinkers, less original thinkers. And that's a problem because that is what kept us competitive against each other was to be more independent, more creative, more intelligent than the person next to us. We can't compete with AI, but so now we're just gonna be done.

[Heather]

But at the same time you have to evolve. Like I get like you, you writing. I agree with like you writing your own stuff, you refusing to use it.

[Mike]

That told me he agreed with me.

[Heather]

But. But I'm gonna disagree with her next. But just like we don't use leaded gasoline anymore. Like you can't just go, I'm staying with this gasoline. I'm Never giving it up. I'm an old school vcr. I'm sticking with the vcr. You're not going to make me move on.

[JoJo]

You're right. Obviously.

[Heather]

Can't live without advancements, evolution.

[JoJo]

But our problem, our problem is that we never consider balance and letting Things like the Internet took off and exploded and it ran at light speed just like we're talking about AI in general. And then it took us forever to catch up with Internet laws, Internet regulations. There was the, the dark web. The dark, in fact, dark, dark web. So there's all these.

[Mike]

Look at what it's doing to our generation of kids. It's ruining us because we don't have. Yes, we don't.

[Jay]

I mean, people, people don't they. They say the empires have got like cycles of when they fail. And so they look at the Roman Empire when they said they were bringing in like people were dressing up as women. They were embracing all sorts. And, and people are saying that our kind of, our times that we're living in are in that cycle. And then obviously a whole empire resets and there'll be. Artists will be free again.

[Mike]

Well, I just think that teaching, like for instance, like if Eli wanted to get into this stuff, I would have a no, no AI rule. You're gonna learn to do it.

[Jay]

That's not playing guitar here. And real guitars.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're gonna learn to do this. And then trust me, by the time you're ready to put it into practice for a profession, it will be back.

[JoJo]

But that.

[Mike]

Because AI will have done its course.

[JoJo]

Not only are you currently the minority, but because you're the minority, eventually that will be extinct completely. That mentality will no longer exist.

[Jay]

No, because it'll be reliable. It'll be a crutch. It won't be at all.

[Mike]

Yeah, okay.

[JoJo]

It'll be a substitute. It's going to completely substitute and replace.

[Jay]

I mean, people are already.

[Mike]

I think, I think we made a good point where we say it never truly. The human aspect never truly goes away. It shouldn't be replaced. It'll come back.

[JoJo]

Maybe. Jay, you remember this? There's plenty of movies of sci fi. I don't remember what it's called, but there was some building and there was a core.

[Mike]

What you, what you said you're smarter.

[JoJo]

You're smarter than these two old nerd.

[Heather]

I hope I know. I hope I know this movie.

[JoJo]

There's like a core brain and it controls the building. And when the core. What? She has a female. And she has a female name. She has a female voice. But she realizes that she can control. When she's smarter, she completely overtakes the building and controls everything about it. And they realize that and they use like, some dynamite or whatever to. To. To destroy it. But he. We talk about humans always existing. We. We only say that because we always have existed. But how. We don't know that we're not contributing to our demise. We don't.

[Jay]

And we struggle as humans to actually think about things outside of the way that we normally think about stuff. Yeah, we struggle. Yeah. And we struggle to understand what's possible. Like, if you would have said to someone 50 years ago that, well, we're going to get a hot shower and they'll be enough, Right? And now we've got cars, we've got everything. So it's.

[Heather]

This is an in. This is like the galaxy of the space infinite. This is an infinite problem. Like, you could call it a problem, but it's infinite because we used to hunt our own food, too. And it's like saying, you know, tomorrow I'm gonna have two kids and I'm gonna teach them that they have to hunt their own food, they have to grow their own vegetables. You have to do everything from, like, go back to the beginning. Like, you can't. I don't know.

[JoJo]

Everyone's suggesting the movie. I'm talking about Resident Evil. These are all. And then Slater comes in with Forrest Gump.

[Heather]

Yeah, stupid.

[Jay]

I mean, I do have a. A few jobs that AI Won't take.

[Mike]

Slater doesn't even know what AI Is yet. He's still a little bit behind. No, I. I truly believe that humans still have to be. AI Is going to make most of the decisions and the best decisions, but you will have to have a. A human at the head of it that has a human brain and can guide it. I don't know.

[Heather]

We're gonna witness another. This is going to be. We witnessed the end of Blockbuster. We ended the end of Toys R Us. We've watched the shopping mall completely go in and in our lives and out of our lives. We're going to witness another version of this with AI Something that we normally do is going to be eliminated completely.

[JoJo]

As this evolves, we talk about always a human brain being at the head of it. But if AI or artificial. Artificial intelligence to some degree controls everything from our power grids, everything that controls factories, whatever it is. Oh, that's realizes. Right, right. But at some point when it is able to out control or outthink the input that it's given, we control it. Right. Now, but what happens when it is able to overpower our input

[Mike]

when it needs maintenance? Now, the Terminator movies say that you will have those mainframes and stuff, but they will actually, AI will. Will design machines to go out there and fix it. So you don't even need humans. It sounds crazy, but that's where we're at.

[Heather]

Well, I saw a video yesterday where a guy, he has an AI bot driving. It's like intelligence. It was. It was an example of what we're talking about. And he's sitting in the passenger seat in the AI is driving the car and he says, I'm. Out loud. He says, I'm going to deactivate this bot at the end of today. I'm going to turn it off. And the bot makes a conscious decision to kill him, right? And it takes off towards the wall. And it's like, I'm gonna drive this car into the wall and then he won't be able to stop.

[JoJo]

Right now we control everything. What happens. It's like. It's like deep blue sea. When they inject those sharks. Yeah, when they inject. I did not just do that, but they're doing all those testing on the shark until the shark is smarter than them and the ca. So, yeah, we're in control until we're not.

[Heather]

Well, I was thinking if AI took over this building, right, we would be able to go outside at some point and just pull the power plug, right? Just get rid of it until AI figures a way to like, create somebody that won't let us do it. Or that, like you said, takes the power grid over so far that they know all the alternate routes of power to not ever be shut off. But at some point, like a human can just pull the plug, right now,

[JoJo]

allegedly, because that's all we've ever known. Maybe, yes, we've been the alpha.

[Heather]

But then when you pull the plug, they'd go, well, now you got to go back to graphic designing. Now you got to go back to making your own thumbnail. You're going to go backwards right now. You have to relearn all these things that we eliminated.

[JoJo]

Stone Ages.

[Heather]

Yeah, you gotta. The factory has to have workers.

[JoJo]

Humans today would not be able to exist.

[Heather]

You have to get rid of hundreds. All the cars are gonna have to be handmade again or get the. You know, it's like, forget it.

[Mike]

Well, I'm gonna. I'm. I sent. I sent a progression of the logo in. So what we're gonna do is I'm going to show you how utilizing it My. Sorry, my nipples are out. Like, I didn't really know there was

[Jay]

a bit Johnny Jackson going on.

[JoJo]

So it happens when you cut off off your shirt.

[Mike]

But what we'll do is we'll run through just so you guys can see

[Heather]

your AI work.

[Mike]

Well, yeah. It's crazy. I can say I did it. That's the craziest part is I. I went to chat. GPT.com. i've never been there before. And of course it's like, hi.

[Heather]

You know what Chachi Beat doesn't do? Doesn't talk back.

[JoJo]

It just.

[Mike]

It does.

[JoJo]

It tells you it can't do.

[Heather]

That's talking. No, it actually gives you options to work around that solution. Never says no. Never says no. That's all I can say.

[JoJo]

Yeah. Okay.

[Heather]

All you got to do is put it in a mannequin and never say no.

[JoJo]

Find yourself some AI.

[Heather]

Never say no. Find yourself some AI Tells you how great you are.

[Mike]

Does it really? So, wait, how are you. What are you using? We're deep.

[Heather]

I mean, my AI is deep, buddy. It knows me very well.

[JoJo]

Brick by brick, like your AI or your Instagram algorithm.

[Mike]

It's not Copville talking to you. It's Michael. Wait, no. Eli. Okay. Did you put that up, Eli? Okay, all right. Thank you, but no, you can put it back up. So this was the idea that we had. This is what Natalie drew up by hand. Now, notice this is all hand drawn. She asked me if you wanted. If you wanted old English, because I like old English. And I said, yeah, because I don't know. So she hand drew all of this. You know, if you look closely, it's hand drawn. I was like. I was like, you just use. She's like, no, I didn't. She's like, I hand drew everything.

[JoJo]

But she hand drew it, like on an iPad.

[Mike]

There you go. I. I don't know.

[Heather]

There's no. Yeah, that's not.

[JoJo]

It's not.

[Heather]

That's not like markers and pens or something.

[Mike]

It was hand drawn with her hand on an iPad.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Mike]

AI I took AI.

[Heather]

It was AI to start.

[Mike]

I took this and I compared it to another logo of a. Of a company that, you know, we're. We take a lot of inspiration from. And it came out to this. And I met. I went to Jay and I was like, I really like this one. And he was like, yeah, dude, I really like it. Now, mind you, Natalie's skull is still in there. Natalie drew that skull from hand, right? She made that. You can't. AI is not going to be able to make that the way we wanted to make it. I'm sure it could, like, a one in a million chance, but every time you're like, no. New school. New school. New skull. New skull.

[Jay]

Yeah. And the T gets the teeth wrong. So, I mean, I was. I. I was doing a skull, and I was saying, keep it exactly as the one that I provided, but it got, like, small details wrong, and you could spend two hours trying to get it right.

[Mike]

So she drew that skull, but now we have AI font. So I send this to Natalie. I said, natalie, I'm sorry I cheated on you with AI. And. And I really like it. And she goes, okay, well, let me put some more human touch to it. Now that I know the concept you're going for, let me try some more. And so we came up with this,

[Heather]

and now I like that because Cross. That's what I said. It made it across.

[Mike]

A lot of the guys in the OG know. I sent them both that one and this one. Which one do you like better? And I got. It was mixed down the middle.

[Jay]

So.

[Mike]

What's that noise? Is somebody snoring?

[Jay]

That's my dogs.

[JoJo]

Your dog can snore. The dog?

[Jay]

Yeah. They can't breathe because they've got a squash face. They're gay dogs.

[Mike]

And your eyeballs on your eyelids. But anyway, so utilizing AI with a human is kind of. You get this to this to this. And then now we're picking between this and this and. Oh, we've already started production with this one because we had this one first. But I'm in the. I'm a believer in that. If. If we did it, this is close enough to brand that if we decided to switch it to this, it's not that hard to just switch it to this.

[JoJo]

The only.

[Mike]

My.

[JoJo]

If you're taking opinions. Yeah, I like the. The third one. However, all of that activity going on around the letters strains my eyes, and it makes me not want to look at it.

[Mike]

That's the same thing.

[JoJo]

No, but it doesn't have all that activity around the letters. See all the stroke, like the brush strokes?

[Jay]

It makes you want to have a stroke.

[JoJo]

Shipping. Yes. That kind of is.

[Jay]

You don't need any graphic designers.

[Heather]

The next one,

[Jay]

all we need is AI chat GPT 5.5.

[Heather]

Where's the third one?

[Mike]

That is the first one.

[JoJo]

That's the first.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Heather]

The second one.

[Mike]

Second one is AI. I really like that one.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Mike]

No, this is the third one.

[Heather]

I don't not, like, combine the two, I think. Yeah. Even though I. I would go back to the second one, I would put. I would change the T. If I could pick that one and make that T across, that's. That would be my middle ground right there.

[Jay]

Because you're right.

[Heather]

Missing holes in the bread make me angry.

[Mike]

Natalie's defense. This is a rough draft. We still haven't gotten the final draft. She. She's like, oh, yeah, a lot of that red is gonna. Like. She's like, the CC isn't even on the helmet yet. Like, she's gonna do stuff with the red in the background. Like, this is a very, very, very, very simple rough draft. She made the ink. I do remember she brought the ink in so it lines up with the end of the R. Because I was like, I don't want the ink sticking out. I want it all to be like a sticker, you know? So this is. But just the concept of it and. And it's a good problem to have. We have two logos to pick from, and had I not utilized AI, we would be stuck with, you know, yes, the dog sleeps.

[Heather]

Good man. I hope I sleep

[JoJo]

as a limited application, as a tool, just like effective communication,

[Heather]

specific incident occurred.

[Mike]

You're right. You're right.

[JoJo]

I agree with you. Where AI gave Natalie an idea to kind of push her in a direction to improve on that.

[Mike]

I wasn't able and correct. Yes.

[Heather]

You have to use it for what's good. Because to make the argument that, like, oh, well, AI is bad. Well, the Internet causes children to be trafficked in child pornography to be transmitted. So where you can all cancel. The Internet, like, the Internet is used for bad things, but we have to have it. AI is probably going to be used for bad things, but we have, like, if it's going to make things more effective and life easier, that dog.

[JoJo]

What kind of dog? Can we see the dog?

[Heather]

No, don't wake him up.

[Jay]

I can go and grab one. Let me go and grab one.

[Heather]

Grab a dog.

[Mike]

See?

[JoJo]

How many dogs do you have?

[Heather]

Probably more than two. That's what I thought it was the first time. Oh, Jay. Jay.

[JoJo]

Hi, poppers.

[Heather]

He weighs 51 pounds, mate.

[Jay]

He's the best dog in the whole world.

[JoJo]

What kind of mix is that? Because that's a couple of dogs.

[Jay]

Nurse French bulldog.

[JoJo]

Full French bull tog.

[Heather]

Oh, you guys don't buy your kind of dogs. You buy French dogs.

[JoJo]

Not an English. Not an English bulldog.

[Jay]

No. English bulldogs are much bigger, much wider.

[Mike]

Not like an American.

[Jay]

Yeah. Anyway, now you've met my dog, he's

[Mike]

like, you woke me up for this.

[Jay]

What's this?

[JoJo]

You should have the dog with you all the time.

[Jay]

I know everything will be silent. Don't they.

[JoJo]

Just watch dogs?

[Mike]

All right. But Jay, your show.

[Jay]

Yes.

[Mike]

Do we have an episode? Kind of like. What would you call that? Synopsis for this Sunday's Life Rap podcast.

[Jay]

Yeah, no, I thought we'd just go with AI So we're, we're literally gonna. Talking about.

[Mike]

I used AI to decide what we're going to talk about and hey, I

[Jay]

want to talk about AI Just, just say the danger of outsourcing your judgment, taste, creativity and effort and whether it's at all. Is it, well, tall good, crutch bad. And yeah, we're just going to find out whether AI is a new toolbox or another place for men to hide from effort. But I have got a couple of things before, before I do go about jobs that AI they'll never, never, ever replace. I mean, the first, the first one is the job of a handyman that doesn't read instructions. So AI would read the manual. Men. No, manuals are for cowards, Europeans and people with stable marriages.

[Mike]

Okay, word.

[Heather]

Excellent.

[Mike]

That's good. I agree.

[JoJo]

What else? Do it again.

[Jay]

The job of the that will hold builder. So AI would calculate load bearing tolerance. The man uses cable ties hope. And the confidence of the builder has emotionally moved on.

[Mike]

Did you use AI to make this list?

[Jay]

Yeah, yeah, I did. I was like, I'll run out. I was, I was, I was researching for ages and ages and I was like, jake, is this going to be funny? And he was like, yeah, it's going to be really funny.

[Heather]

So I think, well, yeah, it depends how much Jake drinks. Then that'll depend on how funny it is. Where is. I haven't seen him today.

[Mike]

He's in there.

[Heather]

Is he?

[Mike]

Yeah. One thing I will say is that here's the thing in anything business, if it becomes super easy and everyone's doing it, you are, you are not going to succeed. Right? So if it's like, oh my God, I'm running a business and AI is making it so easy, there's tons of things that you are forgetting to do, like guerrilla tactics, like guerrilla marketing. You know, you can make AI models all you want, which is good for everyday stuff. For everyday things, you need AI. But you know, having brand ambassadors and real people rep your. The AI can't replicate. AI can't go find you somebody and put a shirt on them legally, with their consent. You have to still go out there and do the hard things. You have to negotiate the sponsorship people

[Jay]

buy you, don't they The AR doesn't have a soul. So, I mean, people buy people at the end of the day. And until I can sell that, and

[Heather]

you know what I am a well and deserved weekend trip to the Hard Rock Casino. AI cannot replace that. No way. It can't happen to go sit in an baseball game, football game, soccer. You can have all the. Whatever world. You still got to go out and do those things. So. So some of those things.

[Mike]

Fishing.

[Jay]

But what's the difference of watching an AI soccer game and a real soccer game?

[Heather]

But if you physically go. You have to physically go and go out, smell the grass, be in the stadium,

[JoJo]

eat a 26 hot dog.

[Heather]

Now, AI could replace the dealer and AI could do a lot of things, but to actually physically go do it, you're never.

[Jay]

We could be watching holograms now.

[Heather]

What was that movie? What was the movie? Wasn't there a movie with the big puffy guy? The Disney movie where they all just sat inside and controlled things outside?

[JoJo]

The puffy guy?

[Heather]

Yeah. You know, I'm talking Eli, the movie. One of the cartoon movies with the real big white puffy guy.

[JoJo]

Big. Big Hero six.

[Mike]

Big, Big.

[Heather]

Yeah. What was the. Isn't the one that. Where they just controlled everything from the inside?

[Jay]

Yeah. Okay.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Mike]

We turned your mic off. What the.

[Heather]

Bro?

[JoJo]

It's my vagina. Right? That's why nobody listens. You don't have one vagina.

[Heather]

Nobody believes you have one.

[Mike]

I.

[JoJo]

Exactly.

[Heather]

Hey, I created a dick for you. At this point, you're good.

[JoJo]

Jesus, dude.

[Heather]

Yeah. AI has heard that there's no way you not have thousand milligrams of tests running through your veins at all moments.

[JoJo]

So clearly not. I said Big Hero 6. And you continue to stare down Eli, waiting for him to say.

[Mike]

And then Eli took his headphones off so he could hear. Here's JoJo. Go. Big Hero 6 doesn't go, oh, yeah, yeah, JoJo's right. Or go, oh, yeah, you're right. Let me amplify it.

[Heather]

He just goes, see Big Hero 6. AI, hey, I cannot tell Joanna. She's right. We need. We need everybody. To tell myself.

[Jay]

Yeah. Tune in Sunday to.

[Mike]

We were talking about the bar.

[Heather]

Yeah. Get back to your show, Jay. Keep advertising your show.

[Jay]

That's all. I tune in Sundays, 2:00pm Central, 3:00pm Eastern. I mean, last week we discussed gladiators and grooming gangs, and the week before, we dedicated the whole episode to single mothers celebrating Father's Day. So if you're interested in just hearing some. That I make myself sound intelligent, then give us a shout. If you want to jump on the Discord, if you've got any, like, questions about AI, I don't want to hear your life story because I'll just put it into chat. GPT to say, okay, mate, to take a.

[Heather]

Take a short walk, a long walk off a short pier.

[Mike]

Right?

[Jay]

That's it. No problem. Take care.

[Heather]

All right. He was wrapping himself up, dude. 2:00am there, dude. He's like, hey, it's. I'm exhausted over here.

[Mike]

All right. Oh, man. Yeah. No giveaway open mic. Give me five minutes. Roll over to Counterculture Inc. Network. On Counterculture Inc. On YouTube, we do open mic. Justin is back, and my wife and

[Heather]

I can't stop laughing at the vagina comment.

[JoJo]

Yeah, it never fails.

[Mike]

And then also tonight, after, it's at 8pm Peaches show.

[Heather]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike]

8pM 8pM on counterculture. We got guys on ground. What does that look for?

[Heather]

I think he asked me to come on. He did. He said.

[Mike]

He told us last night at Discord. You're coming on for, like, 30 minutes. 8pm on a Friday.

[Heather]

I get a break. Do I get a day off?

[Mike]

I pulled. He goes, do you want to come on? I go, I pulled the infamous. I will if you need me. That means I never answered.

[Heather]

I can show you the fact I

[Mike]

never ask everybody in Discord. You're coming on.

[Heather]

Before we go call. Hey, no. We don't even need AI.

[JoJo]

What's up, bud?

[Heather]

You're so stupid, dude.

[JoJo]

Do it again.

[Mike]

Tyler, I can't do it now.

[Heather]

Hey, do you want to come my show live Friday? Like 15, 20 minutes? What time? 8, 15. I never answered.

[Mike]

Oh.

[Heather]

Next day, I started talking about something else.

[Mike]

Oh, in his head. You're on.

[Heather]

I didn't say yes.

[Mike]

My kid. Take it with you.

[Heather]

I think it's on the dog.

[Jay]

All right.

[Mike]

All right, guys, we'll see you in 5 to 10 minutes on counter Culture Network. We'll see on the Counter Culture Network for God's on Ground at 8pm today. And then Mike Monday morning, I'm sure we'll do a. We'll do some kind of thing on Patreon. Me and Mike. Based on Mike's gambling, nobody can spend

[Heather]

Fourth of July alone.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Heather]

We'll have to do something.

[Mike]

Let's do it.

[Heather]

Nobody spends Fourth in July alone.

[Mike]

For you guys with the kids at moms, divorced, dads out there chilling, guys on patrol shift chilling. We'll do something on Fourth of July.

[Heather]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Mike]

All right. See you then. SA.

[Heather]

For life.