Epstein's Suicide Letter Released, Kodak Black Arrested, Bank Robberies, and Crocodiles (05/07/2027)

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast: Episode Summary

Episode: Epstein's Suicide Letter Released, Kodak Black Arrested, Bank Robberies, and Crocodiles
Date: May 7, 2026
Hosts/Guests: Tyler, Mike, Nick, Dominic Izzo, Ryan Miller

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Episode Overview

This high-energy roundtable episode from The Antihero Broadcast combines dark humor, veteran insight, and blue-collar perspective to dissect headline news and hot topics from Epstein’s newly released suicide note to bank robberies, rapper Kodak Black’s arrest, the controversial state of police pretextual stops, the economics of homeownership, and more. The crew’s banter is irreverent and lively, mixing law enforcement insight, skeptical takes on both left and right narratives, and some memorable rants about culture, policing, and justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jeffrey Epstein’s Suicide Note – Release and Controversy

[03:00–08:30]

• Background: A purported suicide note, allegedly written by Epstein and found by his former cellmate, was released after a judge ordered forensic review. There’s skepticism around its authenticity and why it took so long to surface.
• Discussion:
  • Tyler summarizes the basics and questions why no previous forensic review occurred.
  • Nick breaks down how handwriting, paper, ink, and fingerprints could be analyzed for authenticity.
  • Mike expresses frustration that public focus is on Epstein’s death, not on the broader criminal network or abuse victims.
  • Mike: "We're focusing more on whether or not he killed himself and less on who the f--- was destroying children's lives...I want to see justice for all the people involved go down. To hell with...I mean, it's coming, dude." [07:49]
  • Nick notes that the release occurred only because of a NY Times FOIA request.
• Memorable Tone: Deep skepticism, frustration, and humor about conspiracy theories and bureaucratic failures.

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2. Florida Bank Robbery by Former Corrections Officer

[08:37–10:52]

• Story: A female ex-corrections officer in Port St. Lucie, FL, desperate due to financial troubles, was arrested after a complex investigation involving tips and confession.
• Hosts’ Reaction:
  • Jokes about Florida being notorious for such crimes.
  • Surprised that the suspect was a black female, as "robbing banks is usually a white person's thing" (Nick, [10:04]).
  • Discussion about another corrections officer pawning and losing his duty weapon repeatedly.
• Quote: Mike: "Florida's good for these types of crimes, but right here in my neck of the woods..." [10:21]
• Tone: Wry, bemused, tongue-in-cheek regarding the Florida crime stereotype.

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3. Kodak Black’s Arrest for Drug Trafficking

[11:02–12:43]

• Story: The rapper was arrested in Orange County, FL after a series of missteps, including leaving personal items in rented luxury cars linked to social media.
• Investigation:
  • Instagram posts cross-referenced with items found in the car.
  • Drug trafficking charge upgraded after discovery of narcotics.
  • Hosts reflect on Kodak Black’s long history of legal trouble at a young age.
  • Mike: "Our man Kodak Black going on the van..." [12:02]
• Quote: "He's only 28 too, seems like he's been around forever." [12:07]
• Vibe: Amused, critical of repeat offenders’ poor judgment in the social media age.

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4. Georgia Police Department Shut Down – At-Will Firing

[13:42–18:37]

• Incident: Entire 10-person police agency fired without recourse due to conflict with the mayor, likely linked to a personal dispute.
• Discussion:
  • Highlights at-will employment law in Georgia and Pennsylvania, sparking awe and indignation.
  • "They can fire you no matter what. No recourse, no lawsuit...Just out of here." – Mike [17:05]
  • Jokes about at-will firing being used for personal vendettas, lack of job security.
  • Reflection on old-school law enforcement turnover, arbitrary discipline.
• Quote: Nick: "You can walk in, look like the guy banging my wife, and I fire you because of that reason. Nothing you could do about it?" [16:19]

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5. Traffic Stops, Racial Profiling, and Pretextual Stop Ban in Los Angeles

(Major Segment – [19:31–61:51]; Discussion continues in multiple rounds)

• Headline: LA City Council passed a 14–0 vote to ban pretextual stops; echoes similar moves in Virginia.
• Hosts’ Perspective:
  • Strong law enforcement perspective defending the use of stops for discovering crime (e.g., guns, drugs, trafficking).
  • Point out that statistics show stops yield significant numbers of guns and drugs.
  • Argue that policing by "pattern recognition" is not racism, but based on demographics and crime data.
• Notable Exchange:
  • Mike: “Criminals rarely show up and turn themselves in without ever being investigated...It takes traffic stops.” [22:07]
  • Dominic Izzo: “How do you define [a pretextual stop]?...That was your real reason to pull them over? Yeah, that's the reason to pull them over!” [33:20]
  • Debate about whether “must-cite” policy (writing every stopped person a ticket) is fair or will just increase complaints.
  • Hosts and Izzo are frustrated that policies are motivated by "political correctness" and statistics rather than practical crime fighting.
• Quotes:
  • Mike: “If you hear drug sales, cocaine and guns, and you say...that's probably a black guy. Oh God...Whoa!” [41:48]
  • Dominic Izzo: "Pattern recognition is a thing and it's not racism." [40:35]
  • Tyler: “All crime suppression is...making it harder for them to operate on the streets.” [24:20]
• Memorable Humor:
  • Running jokes about “frogs over hogs,” Florida crimes, and Kermit the Frog.

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6. Body Worn Camera Controversy

[71:13–81:52]

• Debate: Should ALL cops have body cameras? Should that footage be live-streamed for transparency and accountability?
• Dominic Izzo:
  • Advocates for full transparency, even suggesting 24/7 live bodycam streams (with minor exceptions).
  • “You do that, you're gonna eliminate a lot of the problems.” [73:35]
• Tyler & Mike:
  • Raise privacy and morale concerns: "Do I need to be monitored 24 hours? No."
  • Acknowledge bodycams protect good officers from false accusations but can be used by admin for witch hunts.
  • Discuss how administrators often manipulate camera footage to suit their narrative.
• Ryan Miller (later):
  • Argues from a leftist position that bodycams are still surveillance tools and often serve "biometric harvesting."
• Tone: Spirited, occasionally heated, but respectful; nuanced and layered discussion.

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7. Economics of Homeownership & Class Commentary

[82:36–87:25]

• Ryan Miller:

  • Critiques the American notion of homeownership, arguing most families are "landless peasants" due to perpetual debt/mortgage, with true ownership always reserved for the bank or investor class.
  • “There are greater than 20 to 1 empty, vacant housing units for every single unhoused citizen living on the street. This surplus of housing is to inform working class people to keep showing up to your job.” [83:57]

• Host Responses:

  • Mike: Agrees few Americans truly "own" their homes; at best, leave debt for their heirs.
  • Tyler probes the psychology of class betrayal—what if activists get rich? Would their tune change?

• Discussion: Tension and guilt around whistleblowing and economic survival for "middle-class" workers.

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8. Power, Conformity & Working-Class Pressure

[87:25–89:51]

• Conversation: On why most whistleblowers in policing, corporate America, or elsewhere don’t speak up—risking jobs/guilt of losing ability to provide, vs. the pressure to conform to wrongful group policies or injustices.
  • Tyler: “The pressure of the modern day man who was providing for his family and then he loses his job...now my family's gonna have to move.”
  • Ryan: “We have to be mindful of what are the trappings that keep us...constrained to our jobs.”

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9. Police as Enforcers of Property & Political Orders

[89:51–92:36]

• Ryan Miller:
  • Argues police are fundamentally "enforcing the superstructure" that privileges capitalists/banks; “tough on systems, soft on people."
  • Advocates for abolition of police/prisons (leftist stance).
• Mike:
  • Pushes back: Most working cops are decent, want to help, but leadership/the system is corrupt.
  • “I believe have the same core values that we're doing this for the right reason. It gets lost in them upper levels of management.”

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10. COVID, Policing, and Individual Rights

[92:36–96:03]

• Discussion: How pandemic rules fractured police and civilian trust, with some police eager to enforce restrictions, others seeing it as governmental overreach.
• Notable Story: Mike was kicked out of his own gym by fellow cops for being inside during a lockdown, illustrating the contradictory enforcement of rules.

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11. Surveillance, Big Data, and Flock Cameras

[98:38–99:39]

• Ryan Miller’s Critique: Flock license plate reader/camera tech, Palantir monitoring—creeping techno-surveillance state.
• Mike’s Anecdote: Worries about surveillance being used for personal or political vendetta, e.g., being put on a watchlist by a powerful sheriff.

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12. Racism, Crime, and Drug Policy: Who Goes to Prison?

[101:56–107:57]

• Deep Dive:
  • Hosts discuss the “pattern recognition” of who gets arrested for what (race, class, neighborhood, type of crime).
  • Mike acknowledges targeting of black men in the war on drugs not as racial, but as economic/power-driven; disparities in cocaine vs. crack sentencing.
  • Ryan & Mike agree that drug laws were racially targeted and that system creates a permanent undercaste via felon status.
  • Ryan: “You're going to be prison labor." [107:40]
• Key Quote: Mike: “White people were the ones dropping [cocaine] off in the hood and said, here's your 20 bricks of cocaine...So they went after [crack]—that was a black targeted law.” [104:48]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “We're focusing more on whether or not [Epstein] killed himself and less on who the f--- was destroying children's lives...” — Mike [07:49]
• “This surplus of housing is to inform working class people to keep showing up to your job. Because you don't want to be like them on the street.” — Ryan Miller [83:57]
• “Pattern recognition is a thing and it's not racism.” — Dominic Izzo [40:35]
• “If you hear drug sales, cocaine and guns, and you say...that's probably a black guy. Oh God...” — Mike [41:48]
• “Stop being soft on crime.” — Mike [35:12]
• “You do that, you're gonna eliminate a lot of the problems.” [on 24/7 bodycam transparency] — Dominic Izzo [73:35]
• “Most working cops are decent, want to help, but leadership/the system is corrupt.” — Mike [91:15]
• “You're going to be prison labor.” — Ryan Miller [107:40]

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Segment Timestamps

• Epstein Suicide Note: 03:00–08:30
• Florida Corrections Officer Bank Robbery: 08:37–10:52
• Kodak Black Arrest: 11:02–12:43
• Georgia Police Dept. Firing: 13:42–18:37
• Pretextual Police Stops (LA Policy Debate): 19:31–61:51
• Body Worn Cameras: 71:13–81:52
• Homeownership & Class: 82:36–87:25
• Economic/Social Conformity Pressure: 87:25–89:51
• Police as Enforcers for Capital: 89:51–92:36
• COVID Lockdown Policing: 92:36–96:03
• Surveillance Tech (Flock Cams): 98:38–99:39
• Racism, Drug Policy, Prison Labor: 101:56–107:57

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Episode Tone & Language

• Language: Unfiltered, blunt, darkly humorous, often profane.
• Perspective: Strong pro-law enforcement bias among hosts, but tempered by skepticism of government and corruption. Guest Ryan Miller provides a left-wing, anti-capitalist foil for debate.
• Audience: Veterans, law enforcement, first responders, and blue-collar Americans—delivered in their language and cultural context.
• Atmosphere: Fast-paced, irreverent, combative but intellectually curious.

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For Listeners Skipping the Episode

This summary provides a comprehensive walkthrough of the major stories, the hosts’ perspectives, notable guest banter, and timestamped guidance to critical segments. The episode is especially relevant to listeners interested in law enforcement realities, criminal justice controversies, policing policy debates, and the intersection of class, race, and power in America.

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Transcript

[Tyler]

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[Mike]

It's all good.

[Tyler]

They're here.

[Mike]

They said it's almost May 8, but we got an action packed show today though. So I'm, I'm excited about that. We're actually like ahead of the game today. We got topics, we got overlay, we're. We're jam up, dude. This is a massive operation. Are we going to, Are we going to Boston?

[Tyler]

I don't know, dude.

[Mike]

I. I guess like 200 over in the last two days.

[Tyler]

It's under 200.

[Mike]

No, the price has gone up 200 on the whole package. So we gotta make it. We probably should figure that out today.

[Tyler]

All right. Yeah, as far as I know we're going to Boston, but the people on the other end are playing games.

[Ryan Miller]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Anyways. Yeah, we got a hell of a show today, so I mean, first things first, we'll just hit it right off the bat. The Epstein suicide note. So as you guys know, there was a Epstein suicide note that was found with his body. The entire Epstein cases completely and utterly the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. That being said, there was a suicide note that a judge has determined needs to be released for forensic review. So, Epstein, did you believe? I mean, obviously, I know you're not really that big of a conspiracy theorist, but you're probably not believing the dude, the narrative.

[Mike]

That was garbage. There's a email that they update, like, every year that claims, like, he knew who was going to win the NBA championship for the last 10 years. And then every year it changes with, like, who actually won it. There's so much garbage out there, man. It's like, how do you know what you're getting is true?

[Tyler]

So right here, purported Epstein suicide note is released. A federal judge released a note which Jeffrey Epstein's former cellmate said he found in a graphic novel. The New York Times has not authenticated. Mr. Epstein wrote it. They investigated me for a month, found nothing. The note begins, adding, the result was charges going back to many years. It was a treat to be able to say one's time to say goodbye. The note continued. What you want me to do, bust out crying? The note reads, no fun. It concludes with the words underlined, not worth it. Mr. Eprion's cellmate, Nicholas Tartar. Yeah, Nicholas.

[Mike]

That.

[Tyler]

He discovered the note In July 2019, after Mr. Epstein was found unresponsive with a strip of cloth wrapped around his neck. Mr. Epstein survived that incident, but he was found dead weeks later at age 66. And the now shuttered Metro. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Nick]

You met a gun.

[Tyler]

God, is he back? I'm not looking at the screen. I can hear that. I don't know how to say it. The note was made public on Wednesday by Judge Kenneth.

[Mike]

That's a perfect picture because he's blocked out by the hat. So it's. So far we're good,

[Tyler]

but essentially what they're doing is, is there. There needs to be forensic review of this note and the fact that there isn't. There wasn't a forensic review done on the entire cell. And the suicide note that obviously he touched is kind of paramount to an investigation. So we'll see well if this actually comes to fruition or not. But

[Nick]

come to what?

[Mike]

No, I was gonna let that go.

[Tyler]

Wait, one more time.

[Mike]

Yes, fruition. No, no, no, no.

[Tyler]

It's fruition.

[Dominic Izzo]

That's like, come, man. We're for.

[Mike]

Wishing for a new switch to show up. That's fruition.

[Dominic Izzo]

It's fruition.

[Mike]

And I'm illiterate. But I was gonna let it go.

[Nick]

That's all right.

[Mike]

Your cousins Are for wishing.

[Tyler]

Like for a switch we before wishing.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's what you were.

[Tyler]

Fruition. Shut the up. I'm the only one out here educated myself on this Epstein you're doing. I bet you Nick. Nick probably believes it that he killed himself.

[Nick]

Well, here's the thing. That note linguistically is correct. So Epstein has been known to use those phrases and words before in previous emails from the Epstein documentary or the Epstein files being dropped. But it was found almost two. It was held for two years. So it didn't come out till two years later from Tartaglion saying he found it in a graphic novel that Epstein left in. In the jail cell. So it hasn't really been authenticated through forensics and. And writing forensics. So it's a purported document. Right now I'm.

[Mike]

I'm assuming we're bombing Iran right now. That's why the Epstein suicide noticed something. Something else is going on. I mean, again, we're back again in

[Nick]

Epstein Epstein's tied to disclosure. You'll see.

[Tyler]

So, I mean, forensic review of that note, obviously there's going to be like, writing for like to. How there would be like a gun. Forensics team, they're not really looking for DNA of a person. They're looking for all the forensics that come with a shooting. Is there forensics that's specifically for writing like a letter?

[Nick]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mike]

Handwriting.

[Nick]

Yeah. They have a handwriting analysis, like the linguistics of the letter and also the actual handwriting style that was done with the letter and then also that. I don't know if they can carbon date the ink or, you know, they could check where the ink came from. You know, maybe. I don't know. Dude, there's all kinds of different. The paper, where the paper came from, if his fingerprints are on it. You know, there's still time that they can put it in a. A box and do the fingerprint check to see if Epstein's fingerprint prints were ever on the paper. There's a lot of things that can be done.

[Mike]

Here's. Here's my problem. We're focusing more on whether or not he killed himself and less on who the was destroying children's lives and. And molesting kids and murdering kids. Like, why are we concerned with what the guy's suicide is about?

[Nick]

Because the New York Times. The New York Times did a FOIA to get it released. That's the only reason why it's released.

[Mike]

Yeah, but it's just I. I don't care if he's dead alive. Like, I want to see justice for like, or. Or all the people involved go down. To hell with. I mean, it's coming, dude.

[Nick]

Pam Bondi's been removed. You have an AG in there that's actually handling business. So we'll see what he does with the Epstein list.

[Mike]

We'll see. We'll see.

[Nick]

I mean, I still think it's. It's going to be tied to disclosure.

[Tyler]

Well, we have a bank robbery by a corrections guy. Hey, Nick pick girl. Yeah, Nick pick the state. What state do you think this bank robbery occur committed by a former corrections deputy? What state?

[Nick]

Florida.

[Tyler]

Y. Y.

[Mike]

You bring it up.

[Nick]

Easy one.

[Mike]

Easy one, huh? Let's go. Share screen. Boom boom. I love this producing thing. Don't remove g money. There you go.

[Tyler]

Whoops. Sorry, bro.

[Mike]

Port St. Lucie, Florida Foreman's corrections officer, desperate to bid to resolve financial troubles, has led her to arrest for alleged brazen armed robbery at Port St Lucie bank in June 2025, unraveling a complex investigation filled with unexpected twists and a confession. Chief got on Thursday morning news conference said that the case was complicated due to the influx of tips from the public, which led to several potential suspects. What I talked about yesterday, the tips sometimes hinder these investigations, but bottom line, Corrections op. Former corrections officer state of Florida robbed a bank. Is that surprising to anybody?

[Nick]

I'm surprised to black chick. I thought that 100 would have been a white corrections officer.

[Mike]

White male, female, right?

[Nick]

Yep.

[Mike]

Well, right now would have been my first guest.

[Nick]

White male. But you said female. I would have guessed white female. That's usually like a white. A white person's thing. Robin Banks.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean Florida, Florida's pretty good for these type of thing. We had a corrections guy pawn his duty weapon several times a couple years ago, like on the weekends.

[Tyler]

Imagine being that broke on the weekends.

[Mike]

He would like. I mean that's the story. On the weekends. He would like pawn the gun for the weekend and then try to buy back on Monday. And one time he didn't get it back, so he used a different like a BB gun. Like he put like a fig gun in his holster for like the shift. Like it was bad. Whoa. So Florida's good for those type of crimes, but right here in my neck of the woods in the. They call it the Six Borough of New York. Port St. Lucie, Florida.

[Tyler]

Keeping it, keeping it, keeping it long. Well, kind of law enforcement related. We got Kodak Black.

[Mike]

Kodak in your neck of the woods?

[Tyler]

Yeah, Kodak. I mean, you told me he was arrested. Dude, Kodak Black's been arrested like a billion times.

[Mike]

So here's. This is where these guys make these dumb mistakes. So I'm gonna bring this one up as soon as I figure out how to do it. Boom. I always say boom. That's my go to word when I'm doing this. Kodak Black was arrested in Orange County, Florida for drug trafficking. And these guys are so smart that they, they rent Lamborghinis and they rent like high, high end cars and they make like rap videos and Instagram videos in them. And then they leave the items that they flash, like the rings and their chains and everything in the car. So it's easily to say. It's easy to say, well, there's the car he was in yesterday. Look at all the items on there. They did. They talked about a pink pair of scissors that were on the floorboard that matched the scissors in a photo on his Instagram earlier in the week. Started with some weed. They searched the car and he ended up there on trafficking narcotics. So our man Kodak Black going on the van

[Tyler]

anyways.

[Mike]

We good? All right.

[Tyler]

Nick. Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah. So he got charged with. He's only 28 too, which he seems like he's been a lot of trouble for.28. He seems like he's been around forever. But affidavit talked about. They're called the location for reports of gunfire, if you can believe that gunfire. And they found the BMW Lamborghini parked outside, smelled marijuana, began the investigation, and then they discovered the scissors, which led to a drug trafficking charge on Kodak Black.

[Tyler]

Wow. Kodak Black, huh? Is that the one that Orange County SWAT kicked in his bedroom door and threw him on the bed? What rapper was that?

[Mike]

No, I don't think. He's usually down. And he's from South Florida. He's usually down there. He's been in trouble a bunch of times.

[Nick]

Yeah, you kicked me off the screen. Am I dying?

[Tyler]

You got too much background going on.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mike]

How about now?

[Nick]

Is that better?

[Tyler]

A little bit better. What's going on out there?

[Nick]

I put the air conditioner on. It's hot in here.

[Tyler]

Yeah, don't. Don't do that.

[Nick]

My bad.

[Tyler]

Now here's the protein shaker.

[Nick]

Pepto.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we got some other guests coming on too, man. Is the one we talked about earlier with cancer coming on?

[Mike]

No, he's actually ironically flew to Boston.

[Tyler]

Oh.

[Nick]

What's ironic about that?

[Mike]

We're going to Boston. If you caught the beginning of the show. We talked about it.

[Tyler]

You weren't. Yeah. If you weren't late, you would have

[Nick]

known that I was on time 110.

[Tyler]

All right, what's next? What do you, what do you want to do, Mike?

[Mike]

Let's, let's talk. Go to the Georgia. You have the Georgia one ready? No, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. This is an interesting story out of Georgia. We talked yesterday, we talked yesterday about. And I think we talked about it last night on Hot Topic with Dom, how they. Pretty much anything can happen at any time. They can do whatever they want. Politics, small town, big town, you can just be out of a job. And in the state of Georgia is very unique. There is. They have to. They can have no reason. They can just say, you know what, you showed up to work today. You've been here for 22 years. You've done a great job. You're almost retired, you're fired today. Nothing you can do about it. And we talked about the sheriffs having so much power that they. You can't get rid of them. In Florida. There's no oversight. FDLE won't get involved. AG's office doesn't care. You can try the commission on Ethics. They don't care. But in Georgia yesterday there was a beef between an agency and the mayor. So the guys came into work yesterday morning in Georgia and they were fired. The entire agency was fired on the spot. Police department vanished overnight following a heated conflict over unauthorized access to the town systems and concerns over control. The 10 man department came in. There was a note on the front door of the police department. It was locked and it said closed. Contact the sheriff's office for Whitfield County Sheriff's office now patrols this county. One of the sergeants gave a statement basically saying, you know, this is. This was a beef with the mayor. The sudden dissolution of the Police Department left 10 people unemployed, including officers and support staff. Decision came less than a week after the town leaders and police officials publicly said they. This stupid ad got me. Public said they have resolved tension surrounding the role of the former town clerk. Pam. There's a female involved, of course, the mayor's wife. So there's an issue with the mayor's wife. Dispute with the count the town and the mayor. Behind every good found every bad man is a. Is a bad woman, right? Is that what they say? So they just close shop, Case closed, agency's gone, People out of work.

[Tyler]

Who's covering it?

[Mike]

The Whitfield County Sheriff's Office in Georgia now basically said, hey, it's our responsibility as the sheriff. Yeah, we come in, we take over and that's.

[Tyler]

That Lots of overtime for them.

[Mike]

Deputy job is definitely dead in that town, huh?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Literally.

[Nick]

That's. Pennsylvania is the same. It's an at will state. You fire you at will, there's a lot of yes.

[Mike]

Yeah, Georgia is the same way. Yep. Georgia's bad. That goes both ways. But yeah, they can fire you no matter what.

[Tyler]

Are you kidding me?

[Mike]

No.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yes, dude.

[Nick]

You can look like you can walk in, look like the guy banging my wife, and I fire you because of that reason. Nothing you could do about it?

[Tyler]

No. Nothing.

[Mike]

Nope.

[Nick]

You gotta prove it, dude.

[Mike]

Gotta prove it the guy.

[Tyler]

You got to prove your innocence kinda.

[Mike]

You'd have to prove like a, like. I mean, the problem is it's impossible. You'd have to prove you're not.

[Nick]

Yeah. If you're not a protective.

[Mike]

They don't have to have a reason. Yeah, they don't have to have a reason. You'd have to be a female minority. Something like that. But the guy that contacted me the way I found out about that was Georgia. He was a sergeant. And they literally called him in. They said, hey, you're being a little. You're making too many arrests. We don't like the stats, we don't like the press. Your guys are on your shift or mad that you're holding them to a standard and you're not needed anymore. And he's like 15 years into his career as a sergeant. He just walks in one day and they're like, goodbye. That's it.

[Tyler]

Holy.

[Mike]

No recourse, no. No lawsuit, no nothing. Just out of here.

[Tyler]

That's in Florida.

[Mike]

Georgia.

[Tyler]

Yeah, dude. Somebody In Florida says JoJo said Florida's at will only. But I thought you were only at will if you're on probation.

[Nick]

No, I, I believe with unions and, and civil service contracts, it's a little bit different when it comes to the at will policies of the state.

[Mike]

They signed a lot of these agencies in Florida signed like a. A policy in the place that you can't be fired for no reason. The protect. Because sheriffs were coming in years ago.

[Tyler]

I remember wife and house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

Oh yeah. I worked with an old address and soul. Bill Starr. He worked. He was a cop for like 60 years and he died like a week after he retired. Cook County Sheriff for years and he moved here and he told me back in. You remember? I'm sure Nick remembers. Back in the Johnny Carson days, they had the, the dude that would like hold the envelopes to his head and do the fortune and all that swami. He said, yeah, he said they called they got that new sheriff took over, and they literally called him in one by one. The guy was like, put an envelope and you're fired. They had the termination paper. These are lieutenants, sergeants, high ranking people. They're like. And you're. You're captain now. You're a patrolman. You go to night shift. And they were holding them up, joking about like, that's how it was. You could just be terminated on the spot, transferred on the spot, no recourse, no contracts, no nothing. You just gone or moved or life ruined. Which they do it now. They just. They just slow it. They slow down with no Vaseline and they slowly stroke you to death. They can't just fire you anymore, but they make it. Make it happen. But back then, they could just. Gone.

[Tyler]

They asked, what about his pension? I'm assuming we're talking about the first

[Ryan Miller]

guy where, if you ever.

[Mike]

Yeah, your pension is going to stay. Like, getting fired doesn't change your pension. Whatever you put in, whatever you've invested,

[Tyler]

you just got to try to get something in that same retirement plan.

[Mike]

Yeah, like most places don't. Like, you'd have to roll it. So you'd have to roll it from one to the other, but you're gonna start at zero. Most likely in another agency, unless it has the same exact one. Yeah, most municipalities have their own. Obviously in Florida, we have deputies and. Or sheriff's office. In counties usually have a Florida retirement system, which means you can hop place to place and it just continues.

[Tyler]

Oh, real quick. I was going to talk about it here, but I was like, you know what? I haven't really prepared it at all. So I'll prepare it. The Night Shift tonight. Rob o' Neill updates. I'm sure. I'm sure other podcasts will be going live, too, to talk about the same updates. But it's funny,

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Tyler]

I was in a group chat with. I was in a group chat with. It's just weird, man. I can't. I can't. Not right now. I will fill you guys all in when I legally can, but I can't say that stuff on here. There's on here that just wait and they send to other people. Look what he said. Look what he said. So people don't even have to watch this to catch me saying one syllable wrong. And then I, you know, I'm. Then I get over even harder than I already have been over. So. But yeah. Rob o' Neill updates tonight. So

[Mike]

what, Tristan, what'd he say? He's gonna tune into the other podcast for updates,

[Tyler]

Los Angeles versus the police. Yeah, that's crazy. But that this has already happened in Virginia. So what happened in Virginia, like last year? Two years ago. You can't stop cars for non moving violations anymore. So what are you doing, Nick? It looks like you're reading the teleprompter, but following the ticker,

[Nick]

I'll zoning out.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay. Like tail lights, blinkers, anything non moving related. You. You're not gonna be able to pull over for it. It looks like the city of Los Angeles is trying to push for that as well.

[Mike]

Yes. So. And there it's such a backwards argument. So obviously I'll explain this from my, my perspective. You can't. You have to.

[Nick]

There's a super chat.

[Tyler]

It takes too long to go.

[Mike]

Go ahead and read it.

[Tyler]

Were you. Oh, I was gonna let you finish Mike before.

[Mike]

Yeah, the gong went.

[Tyler]

All right, finish Mike.

[Mike]

I'll do the super chat. The city council is voting tonight to bring back the police officers and demand the mayor resign. Since the Tyler was late, he's back, so he's probably talking about the Georgia story. So they're going to have a meeting tonight. But in LA, my, my problem is they said so 40 stops. There was only two tickets written. Is there one of their main arguments? So are you advocating that we write a ticket for every single stop? Which is a stupid argument because do you want your citizens over ticketed? They're trying to spin it like racial or whatever. Whatever that may be.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

In order to combat all the things. Drugs, right? Get rid of drugs, human trafficking, illegal immigration, guns, terrorism. Guns. In order to combat that. I will tell you guys, if you haven't tuned in yet in a long time, you haven't been around the police world. Criminals rarely show up and turn themselves in without ever being investigated. They don't just drive up to the station and go, hey guys, I've been trafficking kids for like 20 years. I'm just gonna head and turn myself in. It takes like traffic stops, investigations, and obviously traffic stops are going to prevent most crime because you have to transport the legal product from one place to the other, or the illegal gun or the illegal, the captured human. Everything is being driven around some way or another. Why is there a million interdiction schools? Why are there so many, you know, enforcement things? So they're saying, basically because 40 stops were made and only two tickets were written. It's a problem. Like I, I don't, you know, I guess if LA wrote a ticket to every person, would that fix it? So they're saying basically like you said, traffic stops, including tint, minor speed tag registration. They're basically saying you can't pull a car over anymore is what we're headed to. You can't stop cars anymore. That's the most insane thing. And it's very California. It's very California. But what do you do? How do these guys out in California, how do you find crime? How? How?

[Tyler]

I don't know, dude. I don't really know how that blows my mind because you're right, everybody sticks to the drugs argument. Like, well, we don't really care if you find dope and drugs. Okay, fine, like, but what about the guns that are used to kill people? Well, we don't care if they kill each other. Well, what about the guns that are used to kill it let them kill each other. But then they end up striking kids like, you know, or your 14 year old that gets in the life and has a gun handed in his hand so then commits the capital one crime if there wasn't that gun to be handed to him. And people say you can't stop gun violence, you can't stop crime. But we all know that. And I got hired by, when I got hired in Orange county, the sheriff came and talked to us and he was like, listen, we don't expect you to end crime. We just want you to make it harder for them. That's it. That's all crime suppression is, is making it harder for them to operate on the streets.

[Mike]

Can I, I'm gonna do a poll, I'm gonna do a mock question for you and G money.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

I pulled a guy over and he was, he, he was making, he was doing illegal credit card transactions and laundering money. What color was he?

[Tyler]

White.

[Mike]

Okay. I pulled a guy over and he was on his way to meet a 14 year old boy who he was chatting with who he knew was 14, but he was going to go through with it anyway. What color is he? I stopped a guy with a Glock switch and three bags of cocaine in a Crown Royal bag. What color is he?

[Tyler]

Black.

[Mike]

Okay, so the argument in LA was so they, although they had, they had admitted 72000 pretextual stops between 2022 and 2025 led to 30% of those stops. They found drugs and guns. Pretty good number, right? Yeah, but because 86 of the people arrested were Hispanic or black, it's not right. If a guy is driving from point A to point B to have minor sexual relations which should be put through a wood chipper, you're not going to find that evidence most likely on a traffic stop. Right. You're not. He's either going to be set up in a sting or he's going to be caught through ICAC or something on the Internet. But if a person is transporting drugs or guns, you're going to find her on a traffic stop. I don't care how you want to spin it. I have to say this. Unfortunately, the majority of drug dealers are minorities.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

If that's breaking news to anybody, I'm sorry. You can call me racist, you can call me all the things in the book. That's 23 years of experience. The majority of drug dealers are minorities. So you're going to arrest more minorities for drug sales. Now I'm going to let you in. Another clue. The majority of drug users are white. So you're going to get more possession charges and. And most out of white people. And you're going to get more sales and delivery charges out of black people. Not basis, just facts. So the fact that it. Those numbers are. Are used to be like it's detrimental or it's not the right thing to do. I don't. I don't understand.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's just PC, man. It's the same thing. Like I heard Tampa PD back in the day, or they still do. You had to write a. You had to write up every encounter you had with a civilian because they wanted to prove that you were stopping out with just as many white people as you were black people. Because a black person in the hood at three in the morning on a bicycle with a mask and a backpack, they treat as the same as a white guy walking to work at 9 in the morning. Right?

[Nick]

Same thing in Philly.

[Tyler]

And I know there's black dudes that walk next to white dudes on their way to work. And I'm more. And I know that there's white kids out there selling dope, but it's just the numbers and they want to make it all fair.

[Mike]

Let's blast these two super chats before we keep going. $2 from Pride Assassin for Tyler. Operation Vigilant Piglet is a go. Pl is a go. And 6 Jedi says I had to sit through that meeting and they voted 14 to 0. It was brutal to listen to. Here's another thing. I'm going to let you guys in one more tactical redaction. Thank you so much. 9.99 g. Money. Turn the AC back on and I'll send a nice super chat on your next show. If you decide to show up and not fake the illness again. Very good. If you see a white guy walking down the street and you're gonna make a joke, you're most likely gonna joke.

[Tyler]

Hold on.

[Mike]

Like he's a child molester or something. And then you see a black guy and you're gonna make a joke. He's a drug dealer. That's not comedy. Here we go. You gotta kick him out again. I know.

[Tyler]

Turn that off. If I want to make a clip out of this, I can't have a in the background because it's trying to be funny.

[Mike]

Oh, we got another super chat November 6th. Jimmy. I mean, G Money, aka Jim Money, you're on my nerves today. Do not listen to the tactical guy up there. No more ac, no more ball scratcher, no more gong. Unfortunately, he's in timeout right now for doing all.

[Tyler]

That's me.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right. Is your AC off, Nick?

[Mike]

White Star. 999 frogs over hogs.

[Nick]

Yeah, I still don't know what that means.

[Mike]

It's the Kermit the frog thing.

[Tyler]

I think it's like an evolution of the Kermit and the Hogs. And then now everybody's just going nuts with it because it was Kermit. It was like two night shifts ago, maybe three. And Peach, AKA Kermit, was there. And then we. And then obviously we know everything else that they were joking about.

[Mike]

The producer forgot to send Dom the link. Taking care of it.

[Tyler]

Lewis,

[Mike]

I would so perk so here. I guess I'm a little jaded. And Jake said that if you want to throw that super chat out while I'm doing three things for that one, Jake said, per capita, do you think most users white? Here's what I guess I say that based on my. How do I word this? If we're talking traffic stops, I would say, per capita, more white users are driving around. Black users, I think, are in their own neighborhood, probably not driving. And there is an epidemic in black neighborhoods where there's multiple people using cocaine and drugs. So in my experience, for traffic stops, which I was specifically sticking to, per capita, you're going to arrest more white users driving than you are black users driving. That's my experience. Maybe in certain neighborhoods, you're going to have more users that are black than white, for sure. But my experience, you got to take into.

[Nick]

You got to take into consideration what the demographic was, where they're taking these reports. You might be in an area that's all black and Puerto Rican. You're going to have black and Puerto Rican head stops. Just the way it is they don't, you know, they, you know, dumb as a fox. They just want to give stats that support their argument. And not to mention when you stop these car stops, some of the biggest cases in American history were solved through basic car stops.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Son of Sam. Son of Sam in New York was found by a parking ticket that was written as a serial killer. I mean,

[Tyler]

well, do you believe the conspiracy that it wasn't the Son of Sam that committed those murders. He was just blamed for it. And he was too. There's this whole like never heard organization that actually ties in the Manson family to all them. And Son of Sam went down for stuff he didn't do apparently. But that's just a theory. So I understand was arrested though. The traffic ticket thing is pretty awesome. The fact that they, they could not catch this dude and it was that it was a parking ticket, that's pretty dope.

[Mike]

And one more super chat. One second. Pride Assassin Dogs over hogs.

[Tyler]

That should be your new shirt.

[Mike]

But to get back into that like you, you can't. You're right, Nick, because you go, what do we all say? I don't care what any company says. Black, white, doesn't matter what kind of cop they are. They all say if they're proactive, like let's go to the hood, right? What does everybody say? We're gonna go to the hood. We're gonna do traffic. We're gonna look for crime. You're not gonna go to a gated community with 2.5 million dollar houses and look for drugs trafficking. You're not, it's not happening. So you're gonna have skewed statistics with traffic stops that lead to arrest. Because you're probably going to go to the high crime area, which doesn't mean what color you are. It means where do we have the statistically, the statistical data to show that the most crimes are being committed and it happens to be a certain place, then you're going to go patrol that neighborhood and then you're going to stop people. And people are probably going to be a certain race that live in that area where you're stopping them. And you can't, you can't turn that into racism. I don't care how you want to do it. You cannot flip that into racism. It's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

[Tyler]

Kenny says the Oklahoma City bomber was stopped the traffic stop. And then Jake said Timothy McVeigh was black.

[Mike]

Hey, Mike.

[Tyler]

Hey.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Nick]

What's your shirt say? Is that one of the shirts you

[Mike]

sell that's one of Search Tyler sells.

[Nick]

All right. Can you stand up? Can I look at it? Chiron's in the way.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Nick]

All right. The town, right?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

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[Tyler]

Look at you guys hooking it up.

[Mike]

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[Tyler]

All right, so you want to bring in Dominic.

[Mike]

I want to get his. I want to. Yeah, let Dom come in and we'll bring you back after. We appreciate it.

[Nick]

See you guys.

[Mike]

Because I want to get Dominic take on this whenever he's ready. Dom, you good? It looks good.

[Dominic Izzo]

Ever seen Nick and I in the same room at the same time?

[Mike]

No, you guys haven't. You guys are both.

[Dominic Izzo]

No.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Dominic Izzo]

How do you know? We're not the same person.

[Mike]

I know you and I disagree on some things, Dom. Not very many, but some. What do you think about the ruling 14, 0 to stop pretextual stops in Los Angeles?

[Dominic Izzo]

I think it's a stupid thing ever. How do you. How do you define that? How do you define that? Wait, you mean so, oh, you can't pull somebody over for not using a turn signal, then you find drugs in their car and. Are you really. For you. That was your real reason to pull them over? Yeah, that's the reason to pull them over. Oh, look, there's Joe, who's a sir 13. And I know. I heard through my CI that he's going to have some guns on him because they got something with the Kings later on, so I have to look for a reason to stop them. Oh, an equipment violation. Isn't that the foundation of traffic? If they're saying that, this is the problem that I have with that. Because if the court is saying that, then they're openly acknowledging that the only other reason for stops are to generate money.

[Mike]

Yeah, because otherwise.

[Dominic Izzo]

Otherwise not to go long, but otherwise every single traffic stop on the planet would be hate. Oh, Mr. Dills. So, no, you were doing 15 over in an authority. Can you just slow down?

[Mike]

Yes.

[Dominic Izzo]

Done. No need for a citation at all.

[Mike]

Yeah, and like JoJo said, pretextual stops, it's still a violation. It's not like you made it up. It's not like you went, I think this guy has drugs. I'm just going to pull him over for no reason. Like you can't tell me that. Or that leads to. I have to stop every single car that has a violation. You're going to increase the traffic stops and tickets by millions. That means, hey, I think there's drugs in this car. I'm stopping it oh, never mind. It's an old white lady who's going to church. Oh, sorry, ma'. Am. You have to get a ticket because I stopped you. Because I don't want it to look pretextual. So now I'm on to the next one. You either write. So we write every single person a ticket, every stop, or we have a. It's 2026. Certain people commit crimes in certain places. I think that's pretty well known by now. Get over it. Stop being soft on crime.

[Dominic Izzo]

They leverage the black community for every stupid argument they have. I'm going to tell you here's why I'm good actually with getting rid of pretextual stops. Because now, now they just set the standard. Okay, well, if you can prove you knew the legitimate reason and the intent in the cop's mind for why they pulled somebody over. Oh, I want to get in that car because I know they've got drugs and guns, then that means that now you have to eliminate discretion. So now every time I say, hey, you can't cite somebody because they, they click their, their tongue at you. They pissed you off and now all of a sudden you were going to give them a warning, but now you're going to give them a ticket so you can get an attitude ticket. Fine. Now we need to get rid of those too. So that means every single stop is a must. Site stop.

[Mike]

That's exactly what I'm saying. That's. That's the only way to combat it. And I'm surprised the cops haven't figured that out yet. You know What? The next 40,000 stops, every single person gets the maximum. He got nine violations. So you'll be here a while. Your tires, your tag. We're gonna give you all of them.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah, I don't. You write everything. You keep your command staff off your back. You'll get complaints, but you'll get to go to court and get overtime. So I don't understand why you don't write everything in your mother, their mother. I don't get it.

[Mike]

Well, I get it, but in this specific thing, you can't. Well, I don't know. I've never trafficked guy. Because those guys are just right ticket after.

[Dominic Izzo]

How else are you going to get into the shit?

[Mike]

Right? That's what I'm saying. You have to, have to stop cars.

[Dominic Izzo]

I heard you guys talking before. I don't know why. This isn't even an issue. If, if we know that pattern recognition and culture, you, you culture is simply a group of people who all share certain attributes could be, oh, we're all speak a language. Like we're all Italian or we're all Cantonese and Chinese or whatever. And you can go to like New York and Chicago are the two big ones, where you've got the neighborhoods, Chinatown, Bronzeville, Little Italy, all this. And you can take a guess of what type of person is going to live in there, what they look like. They didn't come at the turn of the century over on the boats to Ellis island and go, hey, we're Asian. There's some. Look at those redheaded Irish people. Let's go move in with them. You stuck with your group. So culture is comprised of two. Two main components. How you look and what language you speak. That's it. I don't know why this is an issue. And then marketing. Why have we not marketed or outlawed? Or why does the. Why does Congress not come up with laws for menthol cigarettes or cognac and say you can no longer feature black people in your product placement ads because you're marketing towards them? Because that's the same damn thing. So, you know, I mean, you're gonna get the. The rich white kids, you know, have their heroin and they love that. Heroin and coke, but they're just smarter about how they hide their crimes. Yeah, I have this argument with Dr. Rashad Ritchie years ago where he said that Chicago PD had a statistic done that X amount of people that they stopped didn't have contraband out of this and that, blah, blah. And he never answered the question. I said, well, what was the reason that everybody was stopped? Well, it's because they profiled no speeding. Was it? Was it did failure to use a turn signal? Was it? Actually, nobody wants to talk about that. They all talk about the end result. So Clearly I stop 10 cars all for a lane violation because I know where to plant my squad car at. Because people are going to do this or they're going to blow through a stop sign. And out of those 10 cars in the last month, I had 20 arrests. Or, well, the math. 100 cars or 20 arrests and they were all blacks.

[Mike]

What'd you get?

[Dominic Izzo]

Weed arrest. Well, what predominant culture is non stop celebrating cannabis in their music, in their movies, in their clothing. So I don't know why this is. This is all by design. You outlaw drug, you populate it, you make it. You make it a part of a culture and then you design laws that keep people in prison for it. I've been talking about this for years. It is meant to keep black people who are stupid when it comes down to this dumb conversation to, to keep going to jail.

[Mike]

Yeah. And I, I, I say this again when I argue with Ryan about the, the rap lyrics. Like, they make music that has these words in it, right? And they sell it to everybody or they put it out. We just talked about Kodak Black getting arrested. What demographic. I'm going to quiz you guys real quick. What demographic makes every music video about drugs, money, drinking, women, and shows it in their videos all over Instagram in the world? It's black people, right? So if I'm a human being. If I'm a human being and I'm a cop and I go

[Dominic Izzo]

in the music industry, I get it.

[Mike]

But that's what the video is about. So if I'm Lincoln, I'm like, I'm gonna make a drug arrest tonight.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah.

[Mike]

The country music singer singing about his dog, a girl, and beer, and his car got set on fire by his wife. But these other guys are singing about, like, the cops, they got AK47s and they're talking about all the drug money, and they're fanning it out. I wonder which one I'm going to stop tonight. If I'm going to look for drugs, is it the country?

[Dominic Izzo]

My DUI numbers up. I got to get my D. Then

[Mike]

I'm going to the country guy.

[Dominic Izzo]

I'm gonna go, I want DUIs and suspended or no valids. Oh, I'm gonna start looking and profiling Hispanic drivers.

[Mike]

Why is this?

[Dominic Izzo]

This is a issue. And it's meant, it's meant to vilify cops. And you know what? You know who you never hear interviewed on it is street cops. They're not allowed to talk because of policies to sit there and come forward and say, yeah, when I first started, I didn't have a bias, and I literally looked for the vehicle infractions, if you will. And there was this pattern every time I stopped somebody for their kids jumping around in the back seat, no seat belts on and whatnot. And I looked. Well, nine times out of ten, it was black family. And then when I smelled weed, it would come from black people. And then when I smelled intoxicated driver, it was the white males or these Hispanics. I don't know why we don't talk about that. Pattern recognition is a thing, and it's not racism.

[Mike]

They make it racist, though. I don't, I don't understand it. Like I said, I just did the quiz beforehand. Anytime you hear a sexual offense of a juvenile or some type of pedophile, you automatically think, white guy, white Female teacher. Yeah, they're getting, they're catching up fast. They're catching up. But it's like, it's okay though, right? It's okay to think that. But if you hear drug sales, cocaine and guns, and you say, oh, that's probably black guy. Oh God.

[Tyler]

Whoa.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah. And the buyers, well, for the cocaine, I don't get my sister. We have a place called Rockwell Gardens. I don't even know if it's still up around here in Chicago. And my sister calls me one day, she's like, I just had four. The jump out boy stopped her. So what's a white girl like you doing in this neighborhood? I thought I was going to buy drugs. I'm like, yeah, dude. If I have a, if I have a car of four black guys at 2am driving down the road, yes, I am going to look for a reason to stop it. Not because I'm nefarious or I'm maniacal or benevolent. It's just a high probability they have illegal content in the car. If I see a group of four white kids leaving the apartment complex that was in our neighborhood at 2:00 in the morning, those just bought something. I'm going to try to find a reason to stop them. Why is this big deal?

[Mike]

Simple, man.

[Tyler]

It's called cop work. And I remember even in 2016, dude, when I got hired, I mean, they would try to come in there and tell us that that's racial profiling. That's discrimination. That's discrimination too. And so we had some, you know, I was, I was a younger cop, but. Or I was brand new actually. But we had some senior guys that switched agencies that were going through with me and they're like, listen, so if I see a white guy in an old busted van leaving a black neighborhood at one in the morning, that's discrimination If I stop him. And they're like, yeah, like how about a black dude in a mask and a book bag at 2 in the morning in a really rich white person neighborhood? And they're like, yeah, it's discrimination. You can't do that. She was like, my son has been stopped for being in a white neighborhood. Like, well, I don't care what colors

[Dominic Izzo]

your son black, okay? He's part of a culture that has a high probability of certain criminal activity that is attributed to them that we see on a non stop basis. I will not. You see it all the time with these increasing issues of crazy black people walking up and elbowing people and stabbing them on the street. I will now that it's 2026. I will purposely avoid black people. If I see them walking towards me and I happen to be in an urban environment, I will give them the widest berth possible. Or I will grip the pocket knife that's always on my, my pocket. I just. Should I not know if I get knocked out or stabbed, curb stomped, Is that my fault for being.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you're. You're racist for being analytical. Like using practicality to problem solve and to avoid survival instinct really is what now you're racist for? You know, if I jump, if somebody just got bit. Here you go. Jumped off in California, got bit by a shark the day prior. Is there a probability to think that if I jump in that water, a shark might bite me too? So if I don't jump in that water, do I hate sharks? No, I really. Everybody knows I love sharks.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah, but are they mud sharks or are they sharks?

[Mike]

Oh, God. I want to take it down today

[Tyler]

real quick while we're on the, the black people stuff. No, I hate that. I hate it when people tell. I'll tell my kids, man. You know, you're a black kid. When law enforcement comes up to me, you just comply with them. You do whatever they say. Like, that's what everybody should be telling all of their kids. Like, yeah, they're trying to say, like, oh, the police will shoot you.

[Dominic Izzo]

So you need to remember I just worked in a small neighborhood. Right, but am I wrong? You guys worked in a bigger area than I am. Would you say that? Who's got their hands at 10 and 2 and is purposely just read, officer, what can I do? Windows rolled down, ready to go, dome lights on. Is that the white guy or the black guy? Who, who more often does or more

[Mike]

often the white guy. But who's the one that comes up,

[Dominic Izzo]

you pulling me over for? And they've got the fat white broad in the passenger seat yelling, you're just

[Mike]

pulling him over because he's black.

[Dominic Izzo]

I mean, who, who is that up? Well, I gave that away on that one attitude. On that stop, I will go a step further. The biggest attitude on the planet that cannot behave themselves to save their lives, and I still never base a citation on it, is obese black women on traffic stops. But okay, so you don't want to behave. Great. The furtive movement. This, I mean, hell, I, I don't think there's anything wrong with a black father, black mother saying, hey, you got some trigger happy cops out there. If I were you, I, I would, I would be hands attended to and pay attention like Crazy, because the biggest of the problem is, is we are, we're putting scared of their own shadow kids in these neighborhoods in Chicago, you know, what do you think happens with, or any suburb for that matter, where we're at now? All we see non stop are these videos of these out of control black youth because they love to pump the, the visceral knee jerk reaction into our sites. Now you got these kids in the academy who are all white, suburban or northwest side or whatever. And, and when they're hearing it from the old salty CPD guys or other ones, you can guarantee the N word is used. Well, when they get out of the academy and then they're stuck in the shittier neighborhoods or you do get that one ghetto car rolling through your pristine all white suburban neighborhood, do you not think that they're going to automatically see them as savage animals and have their hand on their pistol far more readily? It's just both sides of this equation have been completely conditioned and it's how they want it.

[Mike]

Yeah. And I, I would, I would argue this. Let's take race out of it. If you took like a fifth five year old or six year old and you put down 30 blue M M's and one green M M and you would say what, what do you notice? Oh, there's one different, right? There's one different. Regardless of the color, it doesn't matter. So when you start getting into one white car in the middle of a black neighborhood, it's different. Human nature goes, wait a second, what's going on? It's not racism, it's your brain going, well that's different. Like, right, that's very different. That's, that doesn't apply to color or anything. It applies to what is different. That was always my argument on traffic stuff. It's just different. What's different about it? They're black. No, it just doesn't fit where we're at. Like it doesn't make sense. We're at a baseball game and there's some dude dressed like a football player. It's like that guy looks really weird. Like what, what is he doing? Right.

[Dominic Izzo]

They want us to get rid of intuition until it comes down to their agenda. I, I, I, you know, blame it on toxic food and how, you know, the black culture's diet in urban settings are, I mean, just high sugar, some really poisonous crap, booze, whatever they're lacing drugs with, you know, they want that lack of education. It's just, I've been very public about this the last 10 years. The black Community by design. In my personal opinion, especially in these liberal cities, they are the perfect farmed out product. To be a politician and say, okay, I need to create money. Well, if I want to focus my criminal activity, I'm going to have to do it in these black neighborhoods. But then I'm also going to sit there and then gaslight the people and say, you're picking on the black people. Ever see that? Older I can't remember what movie it was. Guys dreaming it's a black and white film or TV show. Whatever woman comes up, slaps him in the face. He wakes up, she goes, oh, honey, were you having a bad dream? That's what the government does to the blacks. And the blacks have been eating it up for centuries. And that's the best way to do control over them. So it's. This is. It's by design.

[Mike]

100 and that is more. It's easier seen in the black community. But in like white trailer parks in like Alabama, they're eating the same food, they're eating the same garbage. They're just not. It's just not as popular because they're not as concentrated.

[Dominic Izzo]

They're in there. Their behavior is similar, but different as well too. And their drug, their drug of choice is different.

[Mike]

But if you, if you look at them, it would be easy to go, oh, these are some Alabama trailer, right? And that's not racist, right? Because I can say that because they're white. Look at this Alabama trailer park.

[Dominic Izzo]

Fat.

[Mike]

Their teeth are missing. You know, it's like they're driving a Buick century up. You're like, oh, look at them. You can say it because they're white.

[Dominic Izzo]

And they stay there, though. That's just the problem is they stay. They don't migrate. The biggest problem right now with the black community is you're seeing migration into other air. The trailer park people, they don't go to the rich, white suburban neighborhoods and break into the auto dealers there. You know, they. They stick to their area.

[Mike]

They.

[Dominic Izzo]

They reproduce with their cousins. It is what it is. You don't grab.

[Mike]

They grab a catalytic converter here and there. They.

[Dominic Izzo]

They don't flash mob and go ahead and destroy like crazy. You just. Culture. But that's just it. It's culture.

[Mike]

There's no street takeovers in the trailer park.

[Dominic Izzo]

What. Well, what does each culture do that has crime that is linked to their culture? And that's what people don't want to talk about.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right. Super chat. Nick. Nick. Prawl White star sand sharks over mud sharks.

[Dominic Izzo]

Good call.

[Tyler]

All right, we're gonna take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more. Dominic Izzo here in a moment.

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[Mike]

Chad, that's a white guy name, right? If I say Chad, who, what color is he?

[Tyler]

Definitely white.

[Mike]

Let me. Before I bring. We bring G money, I want you to comment on this. This is one more quote from that article about the pretextual stops. This is, this is. We see tv, we see all the videos, and this is what they gathered from it. The reality for black and brown Angelenos they call them, is that going about everyday life can turn into a life or death situation. When police officer chooses from what they will pursue, harass and harm based on the color of our skin, our accents, or our zip codes. Nothing to do with crime. Nothing to do with who commits the crime. Nothing to do with statistics. The LAPD wakes up every single day, short staff working 16 hour shifts multiple days in a row and goes, we're only going after the black and brown people, nobody else. That's what they want you to believe. What do you think, Nick?

[Nick]

Where'd that quote come from that is

[Mike]

in the article for the vote in Los Angeles that the reason why pretextual stops are bad? That's. That.

[Nick]

Is that from an official or just some.

[Mike]

That's from one of the people that are pushing it. Some of the.

[Nick]

So you can go. Go look at all the police interactions across the United States every year. I think there's like 9 million plus. I could be wrong. And it's very minimal. The, the bad apples and what they're trying to say here with the stops, this is what policing has been based on. Car stops have led to some of the. The most major breakthrough cases in American history. You take that away from police, you're taking away a huge tool in solving crime and also preventing crime. It's. It's just. It's fear, racial fear mongering at its best. It's what they've always done and it just lets them get away with doing.

[Mike]

Dude, check this out. Look how hard they made it on cops. Because if you're going to do a pretextual stop in the department in 2022, they required officers who conduct pretextual stops that they must believe that the public safety is at risk, and officers must then provide a clear reason and document it on body camera. So what do you say? He looked like a drug dealer.

[Dominic Izzo]

How do you prove anything is a pretextual stop?

[Mike]

I don't know, but they want them to. If they do a pretextual stop, they have to justify it on body camera. Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

Hey, guns and drugs. I don't know. I just. So. So here's the next step to. To eliminating the more problem is. Okay, you're right. I'm not going to do any pretextual stops anymore. But what I'm going to do is find traffic violations, like to sit at the side of the road. I know that people drive on the shoulder to avoid the people who are turning left. I'm going to stop everybody that does that. And as part of my process, I am Officer Izzo with the so and so Police Department. Do you have your license insurance on you? Great. Also. Yeah, you can't do that. Blah, blah. Hey, do you have any guns, knives, drugs, weapons of mass destruction in the car by chance? No. Do you mind if I take a look really quick? I'm gonna ask every single person for consent search.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Dominic Izzo]

So what's the big.

[Ryan Miller]

It's the same.

[Mike]

Then you're gonna. Then you. Then you have to write them all a ticket. Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

So I have to.

[Mike]

You have to, though, in order to keep it in order by. I get it, and it's a. But in order to stick with LAPD's thing here, every single person is going to get a ticket. Now, what does that do? Increase complaints, increased issues with internal Affairs. Now this guy, he stands at that corner, writes a ticket to every single person. You're a piece of. That's what they wanted me to do.

[Dominic Izzo]

Nick, you were on in, like 201 or 203.

[Nick]

Yeah. 99 to 2011.

[Dominic Izzo]

Do you remember the transition when all of a sudden traffic stops went from verbal warnings to. Now the bean counters wanted everybody doing the racial profiling?

[Nick]

Yep. Yeah, we got a pet stop form in Philly because of that same thing.

[Dominic Izzo]

It was like back then. Well, it. I'm writing everybody a ticket now.

[Tyler]

That's.

[Dominic Izzo]

That was.

[Tyler]

That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point.

[Mike]

Stopped this old lady on her. Like I said, I had a guy stop. Her husband died like three months early. She forgot the information, renew the tags. But she's white. And if I don't write this white lady a ticket, like, oh, my God, I'm gonna look racist. So sorry, ma'. Am, your husband's dead. Here's a. Like it almost leads to everybody. It just. Everybody getting a ticket is not the answer in my opinion. And now you're almost targeting people that make simple mistakes.

[Tyler]

The people that force this hand of the police. And the cops are not the ones writing the ticket. So yeah, we could absolutely go. Yeah, let's write everybody ticket. But you also can't go. I'm told to do this. I have to write you this ticket. Yeah, you're gonna not look racist. You can't say that. So you gotta look like the. And it's still the people versus the police. Admin's a bunch of. They're not gonna push up against this. They're not gonna push up against.

[Mike]

I'm here.

[Nick]

That was not me.

[Tyler]

No, I know.

[Mike]

That was wild.

[Dominic Izzo]

Everything Tyler said too. It eliminates like Mike, you, you were going around the concept like I keep complaining about you can't pull the black woman out of the car for what you say, littering just because she pissed you off the previous five minutes. How you solve that and you remove that argument from every single stop is every you pull over has to get

[Mike]

a traffic signal or you have to get them all out. Every single person, one of them. Everyone out and sweating this hot Florida sun.

[Dominic Izzo]

Lady, we're freezing at 2am when it's 20 below.

[Tyler]

I mean because it's, it's never happened to me. But imagine if you got in, you know, you're in court and you're like we've pulled, we've looked at your body worn cameras for the last 50 traffic stop for you, Deputy Hoover, like, okay. And the only people you force out of the car are Black people. Like 2:12 people sitting in a box next to me. Yeah, that look, that sounds bad but it's where I work, the time of day I'm working. You know, it's just, it is what it is.

[Dominic Izzo]

This, this is going to backfire on them and it actually, it protects cops even more because now you're setting the standard. Well, you're, you're racially profiling anybody. Everybody. We know that crime is not going to change with them. Their behavior, behavior is not going to change with them. Their patterns aren't going to change with them. So now you just set so that. Well, you eliminated pretextual stops. Okay, we wrote everyone a citation. What happened? The same amount of people who were black still committed the same amount of crimes. So now we did it. We just spent five minutes extra writing a citation versus a verbal war written warning and cutting you loose. So now you can't say, well, hey, we went through all your body cameras. You, you released 99 white people, but you wrote 99 black people. Why is that now? It's the same thing. You all wrote them a citation. One group is just going to have more crime on them after that.

[Mike]

And here's what Instagram did for us. Just like we said, body camera is going to highlight the problems. And we're seeing it. We see it with body camera. Instagram pages don't care what color the person is. They put up the hottest, craziest, craziest police calls. Right. That's all they want to do. They don't go, hey, give me all the black ones. All of them. What do we primarily see when it comes to hey, man, don't reach in the back seat, don't grab that gun, keep your hands on the dash. And they don't happens to be more black people than white people that end up in those officer involved shootings. That is provable. Go to Jacksonville sheriff's office and start looking at all the officer involved shootings this year. Go to most agencies, go to all these pages. They don't hand these pages want clicks, likes views and they want to make money. So they're going to put up the craziest calls or the all the officer involved shootings and all those situations and what do they happen to show more of? There was just another one in Jacksonville that I watched yesterday that Joanna showed me another one in Jack. Dude's got the guy in the car's body armor and a gun. Four black dudes in a car. It just seems to be more prevalent that we see that.

[Tyler]

But what let's look at this as we segue into it. The New Jersey baseball bat guy that has everybody split down the middle and up in arms. Had that guy been black, that'd be all over national news. Yes, right?

[Nick]

Oh, 100.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just think it's really, it's just our own. That's.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah, but black. Do black people really play baseball?

[Mike]

Yeah, they do.

[Dominic Izzo]

That's why, listen, IG Jackson is the only one I remember from my youth.

[Tyler]

But, well, white people are the only.

[Dominic Izzo]

If you had a hockey stick, it'd

[Tyler]

be a real problem. White people are the only one to stand toe to toe with 12 cops with a baseball bat. Typically, even if a black person is going to do it, it's going to be a machete.

[Dominic Izzo]

My first fto, Greg Vanko told me this and it has never not been true. If you're chasing a black guy versus a white guy. White guy, stop and look 50 yards from where you lost him last and search every bush under every car. This that black guy, get a warrant because you won't see him again.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

Always the truth. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Mike, you got anything on Sergeant Bruno?

[Mike]

Yeah. So the update, which I, I think this starts to, you know, we had 16 seconds of video, right. What starts to change a little bit is the person he shot was a habitual domestic abuser. He beat a woman near to death several years earlier, broke her skull, fractured her brain, fractured her skull, caused a brain injury, went to prison for three years and got out. The call this night was a domestic. He assaulted a female, smacked her around, yanked a chain off of her, caused the domestic. That's what led to this initial call for service for the people that don't like the shooting. It's not going to change what anybody doesn't like in that last 16 seconds, if not. But now you take that into consideration. What I think Jojo was saying and what a lot of people are saying, what goes with case law and decision is this. Those crimes were committed in that city. He went to prison before in that city. Bruno's been there 15 years. I would reasonably believe Bruno knows him and knows his history, knows his violent past, knows he's capable of smashing someone's skull into the point that they went to the hospital and he got three years in prison. And then on this night, again, same mo, same behavior, same thing. So this was actually a domestic call that spilled in the streets and it was categorized in the media as a person with mental health issues. Well, like I always say, you're beating the out of a woman. That doesn't. Mental health does not trump that. You are a domestic abuser. First, you can have your mental health crisis later, you just beat the out of somebody and you have to pay for that. Not by murder. I'm just saying the call type was a domestic, another domestic. So I start to look at this and go past history, the call we're actually here on, and the knowledge that the officer has and it starts to open that door up a little bit more, I think, for why somebody would think this dude is. And he was 6 to 250 pounds, he's a big guy. That, that lends a little bit to it as well.

[Dominic Izzo]

Guarantee I'm not here to argue the

[Mike]

shooting again, I'm not here to go down tactics, but there's a lot more to it that's starting to come out.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah, the name like Marco Bruno. He's far more like my height. So you got like 5, 8, 5, 9 versus 6.

[Mike]

Two of the best parents are both immigrants. He's Hispanic descent and smaller guy. But I just. Again, you got to take all that into consideration. You walk up to a guy, you know he's committed these heinous acts in the past. He just, again, battered a woman. And most of us don't like those people. So that, that's.

[Dominic Izzo]

Oh, you can't say that because then it looks like. Okay, well, the police administered punishment.

[Mike]

No, I get it, I get it. But the knowledge of the crime, to

[Dominic Izzo]

me, several, several times. I'm gonna. I'm a Babe Ruth. One of you. It's what he flat out said. He demonstrated by smashing an occupied vehicle. So he would. Good shoot. It was lawful.

[Mike]

Shoot. Yeah, I just can't.

[Tyler]

Origin of the crime.

[Mike]

No, it's just, you know, they said

[Dominic Izzo]

he had battered a woman.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, we're getting it. More and more, though, like his past history. He'd been out of prison for six months since the danger says a million

[Dominic Izzo]

times, if he wasn't a danger, why were 17 cops on that scene?

[Nick]

Yeah, because again, a bunch of.

[Mike]

Well, that.

[Dominic Izzo]

That's two things. Two things can be true at the same time.

[Mike]

And what's interesting is, and the news can go either way, this article is definitely written in favor of the police. It talks about the obituary of Alan, who was the suspect killed. It was only 58 words and not a single mourner was listed by name. Like, this guy had nobody. This guy was a bad person. Nobody really spoke up for him. He was a habitual woman beater. And, you know, six months after putting. After six months after putting a woman in the hospital with a brain injury, or six months after a three year sentence for putting a woman in the hospital, he was back this night to beating another woman.

[Dominic Izzo]

You know, nobody ever talks about the females who actually put the cops in that position by going back to the same bag who beat them. Yeah, imagine that. What it's like, hey, I arrested him five times in the last year for battery. You keep coming back. Now I. Now you put me in a position to have to use force on him because you went back to him again, he cracked your skull. And now I got to do X, Y and Z to keep everybody safe.

[Tyler]

There should be something like the Baker act or something where you can involuntarily take them because they keep putting themselves in bad situations. You can and you can take them against their will to a battered woman's shelter.

[Mike]

Yeah. And here's. Here's some of the context of the call 911 call that Alan had assaulted her and had broke every window of her truck out with a baseball bat. The woman said she felt like a jerk. I brought him back in my house and not being. She's not being named. He just destroyed my truck. He's destroying me. So he. He again he's in a habitual. Habitual domestic abuser. That's who he was.

[Dominic Izzo]

That all got dispatched too. Subject is actively beating subject. Something is actually destroying a truck with a baseball bat. All that information is going over the air.

[Mike]

Yeah. And then the whole whatever you want to call that hokey pokey that went on for nine minutes.

[Dominic Izzo]

Dumbasses who put themselves in harm's way. The comment section never blow. Never never seems to amaze me. Joanna sent me an article yesterday of a female cop who disarmed somebody with a knife. So I gave her praise. The amount of dumb in the comments section she's stupid. She should have shot him this and that. So it's like you cannot win in that but in the circumstance with the bad I agree. How many cops did you see? We're looking especially the one vantage point from the initial body camera. You see him he has his pistol drawn out and he looks to the side and he sees his superior offers don't they'll have their pistols so I'm going to put mine away like they put themselves in a circumstance and to putting to being having their heads teed off on. So I Bruno did the right thing. Sadly he was put in that situation and he did the right thing.

[Mike]

And and to go deeper like they. They started getting this guy was you know they interviewed Bruno's lawyer and it talks about he has a higher disproportionate encounter with mental health subject which he's got experience in and on multiple occasions because they only use chemical spray they didn't have tasers except for sergeants which he is now but at the time he has actually been injured multiple times in the line of duty due to going hands on with the only option which was pepper spray. So he's got training with special with subjects in crisis and mental health and he's also been injured numerous times fighting these people. So again that all goes into a decision that's made that you have to factor in when it's just not hey look at these 1215 seconds. This is why this guy did right or wrong. Past experience with the subject, past experience of your own fight. The lack of Weapon, the lack of technology. And that's the biggest thing I'm going to take out of this in New Jersey. Dump. Absolute dump of the state. Dump on police officers, way behind on equipment, way behind on mobile data terminals and their cars. Behind crazy dude. Then indict them when they shoot somebody. When you give them nothing to pull from, to help. Nothing. Their pool is empty. Dump of a state. I'm embarrassed I lived there so long.

[Nick]

The Nazi state, it's bad.

[Mike]

It's really bad. And it's just happening right in front of us. You know, we can joke and debate and argue.

[Dominic Izzo]

Shoot good.

[Mike]

Shoot batsheu. But when you take all that out of it, like what we just talked about, the fact that those poor guys in New Jersey are fighting this battle of no weapon, no. No rifles, no tasers, no technology. And then just on by politicians constantly. What the man do they. It sounds like you. Like you said, Nick, it's a Nazi state. They want it to fail. They just want a regime up there that. I don't know what their end game is.

[Tyler]

I don't. The fact that they don't have data terminals, you know, AKA computers in their cars. Like, how do you. I've never once been a cop where I didn't have a computer feeding me information.

[Mike]

Even as old as I am. 2001, 2002. We had computers, dude, in our cars back then. This is 2026, dude.

[Nick]

I push a lot of cars with no computers in it.

[Mike]

I'm sure Philly bigger city, like it's money. Like I was in a small agency which was able to purchase them. I can understand, but it's no different than my buddy Wayne Ivey, who I just went at it with. Brevard County Sheriff's office. No body cameras in 2026. Polk County, Polk County. J. Judd, no body cameras in 2026. Come on, man.

[Dominic Izzo]

All that man has to do is look at the president and go, hey, we need a grant and he's gonna get it.

[Mike]

Yeah, he's a huge supporter of the president. Both of them.

[Tyler]

I did. Why do you want them to have body cams, Mike?

[Mike]

They should. You don't think at this point for their own safety? We have seen over time that I've never.

[Dominic Izzo]

No, I've never seen who openly sit there and appraise for when citizens get the beat out of them. Grady Judd violates the constitution every day with his stupid due process assigning guilty. This guy did X, Y and Z. You don't think that he's got a. A salivating Group of savages, dogs who are waiting to get off the leash because they know they can get away with anything they want. Yeah, we need to see body camera footage of what those guys do with on the street.

[Tyler]

I'm sorry, I thought that was police work. Guys.

[Dominic Izzo]

There is. There's police work, then there's abuse, there's.

[Tyler]

How has police work gone on for a hundred years in this country? Modern day policing, let's say 70, 80 years without body cams. And now.

[Mike]

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because now you're. You're going to contradict because you're not what you got.

[Tyler]

What you guys aren't doing right now is you're not representing the everyday cop that gets burned.

[Mike]

Why do they need bubble down death,

[Tyler]

death by a million cuts every time they get in trouble for a body cam? You're not representing them. Now you've turned, you left that. Now you're representing the people.

[Mike]

Why do they need mobile data terminals then? Why do we need computers?

[Dominic Izzo]

Body cameras need to be streaming. We have the technology. Oh, you want to solve this problem? Oh, are you kidding me? Here's how you solve law enforcement in America. You set up a goddamn Facebook or YouTube channel and you say, hey, here is. Here's your lineup for tonight. You got Nick, you got Izzo, you got I'll call you Landon. A. The two of you, you guys. And we're on the street. And in this perspective right here, the viewer gets to see the 247 live stream as long as that thing is undocked. And yeah, you're gonna have to work around while the, the searches where the females and all that kind of crap or the bathroom breaks. But now all of a sudden, the public gets to see it in real time.

[Nick]

How can I have a beer and get a blow job screaming?

[Dominic Izzo]

There are ways to do it. You do that, you're gonna eliminate a lot of the problems.

[Tyler]

What problems are going to be eliminated?

[Dominic Izzo]

You're gonna. Your complaints against cops.

[Tyler]

Complaints, they still come in all the

[Dominic Izzo]

time because people want to get. People want to get people in trouble all the time. You can't avoid that.

[Tyler]

But they, but complaints against cops have come in way before body cams.

[Dominic Izzo]

Let me, let me ask you a question. You're a parent, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

Would. Would you be opposed to a 247 live stream of cameras and audio in the teacher's classroom where your kids are at?

[Tyler]

Well, it wouldn't need to be 24 7, but I see what you're saying, like all business hours.

[Mike]

Business hours.

[Dominic Izzo]

Would you be fine with that.

[Tyler]

I don't care. I don't want it though.

[Dominic Izzo]

Your, your kids, your kids go to a school where there was an incident, I don't know, 10 years ago of a teacher improperly touching someone. Would you, would you want that anywhere? Your kids are at church or whatever. Would you be fine with the option to log on and see, okay, my kids at daycare of the snap. Would you be fine with that?

[Tyler]

Here's the yes. And I get what you're saying. And I would, I would, I would want that.

[Mike]

Dodge the question.

[Tyler]

This wasn't, this wasn't the, the teacher's body worn camera, going into the teacher's lounge, having a lunch, having to turn off to go to the bathroom, having private phone calls. This isn't a teacher. This is a camera up. So if you want to have a police state where you have cameras on every block or maybe just in the

[Dominic Izzo]

car property when you're on duty, inside your agency or inside of your squad car, based on your policy. Does your policy not have written. You have no expectation of privacy?

[Tyler]

I don't know. I, I always believe that that is a thing. I believe that. I don't know if that's a thing.

[Dominic Izzo]

But government employee on the clock. You have no expectation of privacy.

[Tyler]

But I'm still a human being. So how are you going to solve that? How are you going to solve the retention? And I love how everybody goes, then get out. Because we don't, we don't have enough people there and we ain't bringing enough people in and we're gonna go. If you don't like it, get out. You're gonna get cuck men that are okay with being filmed all day long that don't have any license.

[Dominic Izzo]

What was it beforehand? Beforehand. It was nothing more than a bunch of bags who knew they could abuse people and go, let's go out there. You got all your Mark Lambs. Why did you become a cop? You get to drive fast, carry a gun and rough people up. Sign me up.

[Tyler]

Some would say we lived in a better time back then.

[Dominic Izzo]

You had discipline, you had fear of discipline. Right. Mouth off of the cops, you get your heads cracked open.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Is there something wrong with, I mean, if I do, I have to.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Off to my dad. Is he not allowed to discipline me? I mean, it's authority, I think, I

[Mike]

think it would be better for administration. Like we wouldn't be able, your supervisors wouldn't be able to treat you as much dog either if that thing was running. That's where I'd like To see it more the citizens.

[Tyler]

No. And that's funny too, because you're not allowed your expectation of privacy. Actually, I do believe that's a thing. But there was also. I know for a fact, because I asked to do it, you can't have it rolling in private meetings with your chain of command.

[Mike]

Got to turn it off. Ours was, you can't turn it on the station. In the station. You have to turn it off, of all places. So I. I don't. I don't like 24 hours, but I think every or constant. I see what you're saying, Dom. For your argument and your platform is completely that way. Obviously would stop accountability, but I also think it would stop sexual harassment. It would stop nasty that supervisors pull on you little sneaky. Where, hey, we're Hoover this day. We're going to call them in and. And tell him he's all up. It would stop that as well. But at minimum, every. I think cops should have body cameras. It's shown like evidence. It just, I think is better for us overall. Even though I got burned by body camera, but it was a targeted incident. I think it's better to have the video than not have it.

[Dominic Izzo]

My opinion, the access of where the public gets it and the amount of footage they get it.

[Mike]

The.

[Dominic Izzo]

The shooting we had out here when Rahm Emanuel was in office and he shelved that Laquan McDonald footage for like 18 months. That's the problem. It's not the body camera footage. It's how it's released. And when it's released, that's the issue. Because you spin the narrative, you'll get your. If. Can you imagine the narrative? It would put Grady Judd out of business if he gave his coffee every morning, held up a mug shot and said, we have this guy doing this and blah, blah, blah. And then at the same time, on a civil liberties platform, the exact body camera footage of the incident streamed. It would. It would destroy the colorful narrative that he's painting. So that's why he doesn't want to get body cameras. As you can't manipulate the facts and the evidence to tell the story how you want to tell it.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I don't know. I. I think that Mike saying, oh, well, body cam did burn me, but everybody should have body cams.

[Mike]

I did because it wasn't. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. But. But they're gonna use it. They're gonna tell the story how they want. But if we were able to access it all, imagine if those Meetings. That the word.

[Tyler]

Okay, where did, where. How did a body cam help you in that situation?

[Mike]

What do you mean how did it help me? It proved that I didn't do anything wrong and it shows that they're. They stretched the case.

[Tyler]

But how did you help you as you were a cop, you're sitting here saying it's going to benefit cops all around the world. How did it help you?

[Mike]

Shootings when a complaint comes in.

[Tyler]

So you're inevitable. Like the, the one. But not the inevitable. The. The point for you where it went downhill. Your career, which it wasn't long. I mean after that happened, you were pretty much out the door. But yeah, that body worn camera couldn't have helped you at all or didn't help you at all. Maybe it could have, but it didn't help you.

[Mike]

No, they, they looked at it the

[Tyler]

way having a body cam because now that you're a civilian, of course you want one. But when you're.

[Mike]

I did want one as a cop. I was advocate for it. I still would. If I went back to work tomorrow, I'd want a body camera. My point is, is in within the agency, they can take the body camera that doesn't show you doing anything wrong and make it wrong. Who do you go to? I have nobody to go to. I had nobody to defend me. My union said suck a dick. The agency said suck a dick. I had nobody to complain to the criminal side of it though. It goes to normal people, normal human beings, not cops. Civilians and stuff. Look at that and go, oh man, that's pretty bad. Or jury sees the body cam. So I would want the. If I shot somebody, I would 100 want it on body camera versus not on body camera. I would personally.

[Dominic Izzo]

What we're doing right now is the next evolution of body camera because it doesn't matter what the video footage is. It's who's ever got the microphone and can spin the best argument for it. Yeah, it's. It will still be. It's art. We're gonna go look at a Rembrandt and then you're gonna see this and I'm gonna see that. So the body camera is a moot point. You're still documenting something that was seen on unseen. The best low light condition black and white footage, whatever it is. And now you got to have somebody to interpret it. It's the same way what we got lawyers and trials for like look, look at.

[Mike]

Simply look at my, my case. Enjoying his case versus what? The one I just put out. Joanna said put your wife up to some cackling lady calling me the C word and all these crazy things. Got suspended for 40 hours. I just put a whole episode together that G Money watched and said he made it like four minutes and he couldn't take any more of it because of how nasty this female was. She's still working, hasn't been disciplined. The sheriff office won't comment, and they're doing nothing about it. So it's like they can. Yeah, they can do whatever they want with it. But the point is, is now it's my job to get it to the public and go, look, they're not doing it. Same with the criminal case. It's better for body camera. I under. But I don't agree with the 24. I know what you're going for, Tyler, is like, you're right. Like, we're also adults. We. We were sworn to carry a gun and kill people. Do I need to be monitored 24 hours? No. I can see where somebody would make a case for it. But my. In my case, having the body camera, if there was no camera, they could have made it even much worse on me. Oh, God.

[Dominic Izzo]

He.

[Mike]

He did all these other things. Well, no, I didn't. Well, the. The caller said you did. We're out to get you now. They could have made me out to do. I could have got arrested. They could be like, oh, he choked him. Because the body camera got me out of being accused. I was accused of illegally choking somebody. But. But an expert looked at it and goes, that's not a choke. You got some body camera. I'm going to jail for choking somebody.

[Dominic Izzo]

When you transport somebody to jail, especially a female, you guys have to turn your cameras around and record it the entire time.

[Mike]

It has to be on. If we have a rear camera. Yeah.

[Dominic Izzo]

Why?

[Mike]

Yeah, because she can't say he raped her or pulled over and got a blowjob.

[Dominic Izzo]

Body camera. Save careers, man.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, gents, we'll continue this body worn camera discussion at a later date because I could go on for days. But we got Ryan.

[Mike]

That's a good topic.

[Dominic Izzo]

Yeah, I will punch out later.

[Tyler]

Gentlemen, who are cover.

[Mike]

Thank you so much.

[Nick]

I know, right? All right, see you.

[Mike]

They're gonna stay in next time. There's no way.

[Nick]

Yeah, I'm out.

[Tyler]

All right, up next, we got Ryan Miller. There was an issue with the link, I guess because I sent him the link from a different computer. It sent it to spam initially. Every time you send the link to somebody, initially it goes to spam. But the only thing I Can think different is we sent it from a different computer. Ryan, hello.

[Ryan Miller]

Good morning everyone.

[Mike]

Even he's got a different backdrop. The time change has killed everybody. Right. We all got different backdrops now.

[Ryan Miller]

You know what? We're adjusting to this different time slot. So thank the audience for being flexible and hopefully it's smoother next week.

[Tyler]

Hey, thank you for being flexible, by the way.

[Ryan Miller]

It's worth it, you know what I'm saying? I think we are sort of eventually maybe finding common ground. I don't know about you guys, but I am a landless peasant, which I imagine a lot of the comment section is also

[Mike]

I joke about that because I actually say to my wife, with our mortgage, I will be dead for sure. But I would be if I lived, I would be probably 80 something, 86 or something before I would actually own my land and home.

[Ryan Miller]

I love that. Right. Because the homeowner conversation is really the bank, if we're being honest.

[Mike]

I agree. I will never own my home. I will leave it to somebody. Eventually, due to my death and hard work, somebody in my family will have a house, but then they can remortgage it. Right. And take the equity to get another loan. Here we are. I do, I do agree with that part. Like I will really never be a homeowner. They say I am because I pay a mortgage, but I'm really not. I don't own it. Like if I stop paying it tomorrow I'm going to be homeless.

[Ryan Miller]

And this is the pressure.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan Miller]

And because like nationwide there are greater than 20 to 1 like empty vacant house housing units for every single unhoused citizen living on the street. And this surplus of housing is to inform working class people to keep showing up to your job.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan Miller]

Because you don't want to be like them on the street.

[Mike]

Yeah. You know what Ryan really is? He is a topic based. But for our fan base, if we kept completely the military and police out of it and he talked only about this, everybody would love him. You realize that, right? Every. If we only talked about banks, if

[Tyler]

we talk about BlackRock and the. The elite and the new World Order, he would.

[Mike]

If we never brought him in as the comm. A communist Marine and brought him in as the guy who hates the big banks and the. That the government sucks in the banking it. He would be the most popular show right now.

[Ryan Miller]

Well, there's a great book called Gangsters of Capitalism, the Empire, the Marines. I forget the subtitle. Right. Jonathan Katz is his name. And this is important to acknowledge that. Yeah, I'm Glad we have this common ground, this agreement that it's these capitalists, the investor class, the parasites of this nation that are the problem. And it's the military and the police that enforce this whole superstructure.

[Mike]

And we're back. We lost. We lost again.

[Tyler]

Do you think that like the haves and have nots argument or, or concept or ideology, do you think that a lot of people that don't have much, if someone were to be like, like, let's, let's go conspiracy. Ryan Miller is actually becoming very successful in spreading the word around, right? Well, we're, we're the elite. We're not gonna, let's, we're not gonna hurt Ryan, right? We're not gonna make him suicide himself, right? But he's causing a lot of problems for us now. He's on cnn, Fox News. He's actually making the change he set out to make. Let's give, let's figure out a way to give Ryan $3 million. And then all of a sudden you have $3 million. Do you think that as a human being you're going to lose a lot of that fight? Or would you turn around and say, absolutely not. I'm giving this $3 million to my mission, quote, unquote, whatever that may be. And then you still turn around and fight the good fight. Because we always said when we were going to Iraq, our platoon leaders would be like, hey, you know, these guys hate America so much, but you give them an Xbox and a pizza and a piece of ass, they'll love the Western civilization. So what's your thoughts on that?

[Ryan Miller]

Great question. I did hear Iraq, and there was a lady in the last post that had a pronunciation, my pronunciation of Iraq. So just want to say hello to her and uplift that. Like, this is part of the issue, right? Is like me as an individual being sort of blessed with a windfall of $3 million is not going to solve the problem for the working class, right? None of us are free until all of us are free. And so, and I do agree, I think what I'm hearing is that when we do sort of achieve power or the bourgeoisie status, we have an attachment to that and we have to like defend that. So I think there is something in the human psychology around power and our relationship to it.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, let's say you have a regular. You. Let's. We don't know what you do. We don't ask. But if, let's say you work 9 to 5 in a corporate office, right, and you're making, you moved your Way up. You work very hard, right? I'm, I got this great position, great hours, great pay and you see some things going on with your CEO or your main boss and you're kind of. And like, man, if I report this guy or I do the right thing, which, because I'm saying that, because we deal with this in the law enforcement world as well. But if I were to report this guy, he could just find like, I'm so I need this hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year. Like my family's based off this now. Like, I can't not have this money. And I, you're right, that power. But cops go through that too. We want you guys to go out, I'm paraphrasing, but essentially violate some rights tonight because the city ordinance doesn't like what's going on. All these problems are, are, you know, the tourists don't like this, that and the other thing. So let's go out then and, and enforce city ordinances that we just made up last week. And you're like, man, I don't know, this sounds really weird and, or anything like that. And then you're like, well now I don't have a job, you know, like. Or I'm not going to work for this department. I'm going to whistleblow against actual corruption. Right. Like, Mike exposes more corruption than law enforcement world than anybody has ever done. And if you're a cop, there you go. To do that, you're immediately terminated, you're fired. And it's that Pat, it's like, well, I need my paycheck. Absolutely.

[Ryan Miller]

This real working class pressure, right. To get our mortgages paid for, to keep food on our table prevents the whistleblowing.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan Miller]

And so, and the, the fear of retaliation from that is absolutely real, 1,000%. And so we have to be mindful of like, what are the trappings that keep us. Right. Constrained to our jobs. Exactly right. We have to, we're hand to mouth. The majority of us are like paycheck to paycheck, if we're really being honest.

[Tyler]

What about the. And the pressure of, I mean the pressure of the, the modern day man who was providing for his family and then he loses his job. Now he's, now he's got three, four, five, six people that were depending on him and now he's got that guilt of now my family's gonna have to move now we can't eat dinners now we can't do this, now we can't do that. But when you're riding high, you don't care about anybody else. Your family's good.

[Ryan Miller]

And part of. I think that scenario that you're talking about is also we have to include that, oh, the sheriff is going to come knock me, knock on the door, evict my family so that this, you know, property owner returns this house to their portfolio. And this property owner might have like several properties. Right. It could be a bank that has hundreds and thousands of properties. And we do have folks in law enforcement, right. That are. What's the word? Enforcing.

[Mike]

Right.

[Ryan Miller]

This social structure here, here's where.

[Mike]

Here's where I. And I agree with you, but here's where I tend to take a turn. And that's where I think if we could all get. I'll never be a communist, so I'm gonna. I'm stop there. But here's where I try to be like. I talked to Sean Paul Reyes, who was a huge Long island audits. He goes after people, cops fighting the rights and all that. I try to go on his show. I agree with you to a point. But this is where I stop is the. I would say the very large majority of the cops, the regular guys, they don't want to violate people's rights. They don't want to be bad people. They're doing the job because they really believe it's the right thing to do and keep people safe. And it sounds really stupid. I know we just want to help people. But most of them do very young age. They do. The problem, what I try to expose is it's not the police. It's the police leadership who is then in tandem with the government that is, I believe, is enforcing nasty and we're all focused on the wrong thing. So when you say police, and I'm not accusing of this, but what I think what everybody hears is you hate the cops. And that's not going to get this group of people or even me to go. Well, I'm kind of with them. I hate the crooked cops and I hate the administration. And my goal is to expose them. That's where I see we kind of almost are there. And then it just gets too jaded because you. Everybody just says the cops. Just like you don't like when people say the blacks or the gays or any other group of people that we shouldn't target just because they're who they are. There are a lot of good cops. I'll finish up. There are a lot of good cops that I believe have the same core values that we're doing this for the right reason. It gets lost in them upper levels of management.

[Ryan Miller]

I would agree with a whole lot of what you said. And this idea of tough on systems, soft on people informs me that I don't hate the individual police officer. I hate the institution of policing that has its origins in slave catching and union busting thing. Pinkerton. Hello in the United States.

[Tyler]

And one thing too, man. Covid really opened my eyes to law enforcement. I say it every time and I'll continue to say it. We law enforcement enforces social contract theory. Me and you have discussed this. In my eyes, that's what I believe. I believe that Ryan Miller has the law says he can't take it into his own hands. So he has the pays his tax dollars. He's supplied police to do that for him. Whether you want the police there or not, that's what I believe. You're off. You should be offered. But Covid really blew my, my mind when I was seeing we were showing up to houses that, you know, we call them. Karen's peeking out the door and going, they have more than four people over at their house. So they would call us. And our sheriff said, we will go to every call for service. They are packs there. They're taxpayers, they deserve it. Right? Wrong or indifferent. You show up and you'd see there's two types of cops. There's two. There's the one that's like, we, this is unconstitutional. As I don't care what the national government says about COVID I don't care at all. And then there's the cop that's like, we got to tell him to leave. And you'll see that debate between like a group of men like looking at each other like, no, no, absolutely not. So Covet, I think really opened my eyes seeing, you know, the gyms being closed, seeing law enforcement. And I sit here and say all the time, I would never do that. But there are cops out there that were dragging people out of fitness centers, dragging people out of the surf completely by themselves in the waves.

[Mike]

I got thrown out of a gym that I worked at by my own agency. Those very guys, some of the guys were on SWAT with me, were there. And I'm like, I work here, it's closed. There's not a single other human in this gym but me. Well, you're not the owner. No, I work here part time duty. I have a memo. Doesn't matter, you got to leave. I'm like, you guys are nuts. You guys are nuts. I got thrown out of the gym I worked at by the SWAT guys.

[Tyler]

You should have grabbed a rag and a spray bottle. I'm working.

[Mike]

No, I was. I was working. I was working out in a gym, empty and anytime fitness, completely soulless. But me, because I wasn't the owner, I was thrown out by my own.

[Tyler]

Did they know what you were doing, Mike? Because I didn't even know that story. I know exactly what you were doing. You said you worked there. Did they know?

[Mike]

No, I had a memo. You have to do an off duty memo.

[Dominic Izzo]

I swear.

[Tyler]

I know, but I know. What you got a memo to work at a gym during COVID No, I had art.

[Mike]

I mean, come on, stay with me. I had already been employed there for years as an off duty second job that I had to get approval to be a personal trainer.

[Tyler]

So you were like off duty? You weren't.

[Mike]

Okay, no, I was completely off duty, going to work out, and I was thrown out of that place by my own guys. I'm like, you guys are nuts. Like, this is crazy. So I got. I was victim of the. Of the injustice by the man. I've been the victim. I know what it feels like.

[Tyler]

White male.

[Mike]

Yeah, they didn't beat me with a stick or anything or throw me in jail, but you know, I guess if. Maybe if I was somebody else, they would have. But you want to hit those two super chats before we get accused of being. Even though some of them are.

[Ryan Miller]

Can I just reflect just something real brief on the whole vaccination?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ryan Miller]

So like my maternal grandmother lived her life in a wheelchair due to polio. So I have like a unique kind of, I guess, lived experience that informs me towards gratitude for vaccination. I also think it's curious that like the Alpha Bro anti Snowflake crowd had such a problem with wearing masks and. But now that same crowd is advocating for ICE to be able to conceal their identities and wear masks.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Those are two separate arguments right there though.

[Mike]

I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying though.

[Tyler]

And it's like saying we're not wearing

[Mike]

masks, we're not going to listen to the government, but go ahead and wear masks while we seven year olds are

[Tyler]

wearing mass Spider man masks on Halloween. What do they want? You know, apples and oranges. To me, in my opinion, that's apples and oranges. Pride says next week tag me and I'll be nicer than my comments. Well, yeah, we don't. Right. We protect Ryan because a lot of people disagree with them and they want to be shitty and nasty to him. So we can't just let Everybody come on and be an.

[Ryan Miller]

I'm also not hard to find.

[Mike]

Oh

[Tyler]

now did we ever figure out if somebody.

[Mike]

What I was gonna say we're have our. We have our first ever Sunday Patreon free for all. I'm sure they'd love Ryan in there. We're gonna have like 10 dudes allowed to just run wild at, at each other in the thing.

[Ryan Miller]

So we'll make me an offer and I'll see if I'm available on Sunday.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

If you guys in Patreon want to see Ryan in there to start the bidding now when he gets 50% of the rake capitalism. Ryan.

[Tyler]

All right, well what we didn't do is we were in a rush time change link missed. I really I wanted to. But we'll. Next week we'll, we'll jump back in. I'm sure Iran's not going to unfuck itself in the next seven days. So.

[Ryan Miller]

Yeah. Let me just maybe notice one thing that I'd like to identify in what I heard in the studio as I was coming on was this whole like body cam conversation.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan Miller]

And this is the difference between a liberal and a leftist.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Ryan Miller]

A leftist wants to abolish the police and the prison industrial complex. A liberal wants body cams. And body cams, what we're. I don't know if was part of the discussion, but they're essentially surveillance and biometric harvesting tools. And in the era of flock and the panopticon of Palantir, I think this is something we need to talk about more. Especially if we're like freedom loving demo, you know, democratic Americans.

[Tyler]

I agree. I think the next topic that we have on Thursday should be body cameras because we've touched on it a little bit and I dis we, me and Ryan disagree with body cameras for completely different reasons, but we disagree. So in theory, politically, if we were in a democracy or a republic, me and Ryan could get together and go, hey, we don't want this. So whatever your reason, whatever my reason, I would.

[Mike]

Dude, I would jump in the flock thing as well because I know from being in that crime center that they violate every rule. They put people on watch lists, they have their administrative only things. And I will tell you honestly, I'm not joking when I say I went at Wayne Ivey who was the sheriff in the county north. He's very popular. He's on Fox News. I made a joke about his weight. Really. But it got to the point of some threats. It's got 150, 160,000 views and I Have to drive. The largest county in the state of Florida is Brevard county by size. I have to drive through that county an hour and 10 minutes every day to get from here to the studio. You don't see. Think that. I don't think that they could go flag his two cars, get that son of a going 85 and a 70, and write his ass a ticket. That is absolutely probably happening right now as we speak. And that just is me. What can they do to anybody they want to surveil, monitor, or make their life miserable? It is very easy to do that. Very easy to do that. There's no ever.

[Ryan Miller]

I also want to appreciate what Tyler was talking about, how this, like, tension between some officers are, like, just thirsting to, like, violate rights. And some officers are, like, more in touch with their moral compass and, like, have some sort of reservations. And I think the same thing occurs overseas with war crimes. Some troops are, like, really concerned. That's why the GI rights hotline is off the charts right now. And some other troops are, like, thirsting to earn that combat action ribbon for their war crimes. So I myself was a victim of having my rights violated by the Sacramento Police Department when I was protesting the police murder of Stefan Clark in 2019. I was arrested for failure to disperse. As I was dispersing, and I was handcuffed in a crosswalk.

[Tyler]

You were too.

[Ryan Miller]

I got about 4k.

[Tyler]

All the black dudes ran faster than you. Now I'm just. So, wait, so did you actually go to jail or did they release you?

[Ryan Miller]

I was arrested. I was arrested. I was processed in Cal Expo because there's so many of us. And it's this. It was this kind of really scary thing. Like, it was dark. We were walking down. Like, there's trees. Like, yeah, they could have probably put us in a ditch.

[Mike]

All right,

[Ryan Miller]

so RIP To Stefan Clark and all those that grieve him. No justice, no peace.

[Tyler]

Why can't he just. Is he Stephen or is it Stefan? Stefan, Stefan, Stefan.

[Mike]

Yeah, but I. I worry. I worry. Like, I said that the governor. I know, I know what they do.

[Ryan Miller]

Can I ask you guys one question to, like, think about too? Is like, this idea of, like, sunken cost, right? Where me is like just a four year guy in the Marines, right? I didn't have the 20 year, the 30 year sort of career where, you know, I missed all these kids, birthdays, I missed the funerals, right? Like, probably divorced, things like that. And we create these creative, like, justification narratives to like, oh, like, it had

[Tyler]

to be worth it, right?

[Ryan Miller]

Like, oh, you know, all the sacrifices that I made, you know, my family left me, my kids hate me. It's got to be worth it, you know, it had to be honorable. So just think about this idea. I'm curious if there's like short term cops that are like more critical of the system than like people that have spent their whole careers.

[Mike]

Yeah, 23. And I can tell you, I think back and there are like people that I appreciate really helping in certain calls. But at the end of it, I don't know that it was worth it. Mentally, I don't know that it was worth it to do that. When you start to see what the administration is capable and how you were. I know I was guided as a young cop and navigated around. I was in narcotics for almost seven years. We were on to the good old boys, guys that were really moving to cocaine. I'm gonna tell you guys a secret. White, rich white people are most of the traffickers of cocaine. On the high end level, rich white business owners are your major cocaine traffickers that have the ability to fly to Colombia, fly to Mexico and bring it back anytime. I can tell you we got near the rich white construction guys and the guys that had dentist office and massive companies. Somehow the cases got guided away and all of a sudden, all of a sudden 25 street level black guys got rounded up and went to the feds. Now I will be honest, that does happen that I don't know that it's racist. I just think it's more power and money corruption than it is racist. Because it is powerful white people that control that area and you're never ever, ever going to get to them.

[Ryan Miller]

And it may be Clinton that was responsible for this tough on crime in the, the crime bill.

[Mike]

I think Biden had a big cracker with Clinton. Right.

[Ryan Miller]

And how there's different sentencing guidelines for powder cocaine versus crack cocaine.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ryan Miller]

I would love if we talk more about the war on drugs, especially you know, Miami. Hello.

[Mike]

Absolutely. Written though, crack law. I worked it. Then the Feds it was 5 grams of crack got you 10, 20, 50 more grams of crack. Crack got you 25. So our deals were scheduled around yet 50 grams of crack. And why? Because black people made crack. White people didn't make crack and white people smoked it, but black people made it. So they went after that. And you could have a doctor with his kilo of cocaine riding around in his car and he wouldn't get any time. His time was very minimal because it wasn't, it wasn't mixed, it wasn't yes, it wasn't whipped. It was just straight cocaine. So they made it, they got rid of it, but that was that. I will give you 100%. That was a black targeted law that went after black people to who made crack.

[Ryan Miller]

Brilliant. Thank you so much for that generous conception.

[Mike]

White people were the ones dropping it off in the hood and said, here's your 20 bricks of cocaine, which will get me less time than your 50 grams of crack.

[Ryan Miller]

There's a book that came out like over 10 years ago now. Michelle Alexander, the New Jim Crow. Mass Incarceration in the Age of colorblindness transformed my worldview. I was raised on Copaganda. I thought the people, you know, inmates and felons, just made bad decisions.

[Mike]

Right.

[Ryan Miller]

I didn't know that there was this whole system that was designed for these outcomes. And so tell me how to go. We got to talk more about this because there's like, the reason why the fentanyl crisis is such a thing is because the US lost the war in Afghanistan, which was a 20 year heroin colony.

[Mike]

We have a super chat. Ryan. My boss is Vietnamese dude fleeing communism, a retired Marine.

[Ryan Miller]

Love to talk about this when we have more time. So sorry that the US and the French before the US colonized Vietnam. A lot of South Vietnamese people kind of latched on to the empire as a way to survive. And so I don't, like, hold any hard feelings against them. Really grateful, though, for Ho Chi Minh and the liberation.

[Mike]

It's interesting how much, like I said, when you sit, when you find out, and I, I always joke about casinos, how nobody is racist in a casino. Once you sit down gambling against the man in the house, we're all good. But in this case, where we differ on a lot of things, I can validate some of your truths that like the white people trafficked cocaine. They brought it to the black neighborhood, they dropped it off, they let the black people take the risk by mixing it, whipping it into coke, crack, and then they got bazillion years. Yeah, whip it, whip it. It's all there. And then they got a bazillion years in prison, and there was really no way to get back to it. And I'm not going to go down that whole path, but I will tell you, I was guided away from the rich white people in many investigations to just target the blacks and go, hey, look at these bad guys. They're killing people. People are overdosing. I'm like, but wait a second. There's. Somebody has to be. I know this black guy. That lives in the hood, that drives a86 Buick is not driving to Columbia to get this. Somebody else has to be bringing it to him. Right.

[Ryan Miller]

And part of it, right, like you give a young person a felony, they have to check the box on all their job applications. They're ineligible for public housing, for ebt.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan Miller]

There's this, the scarlet letter of a felon in this country creates a under caste, not a class. Right. But an undercast where there is no social mobility, there is no real redemption or rehabilitation.

[Tyler]

It's.

[Ryan Miller]

You're going to be prison labor.

[Mike]

Yep. So Ryan, we appreciate you coming on again. We'll get you on next week. We'll work on the time change and we'll work on that capitalism offer to maybe get you in there and get screamed at by 10 of our local, local people. So once I'll give you a discount. Thank you so much for coming on.

[Ryan Miller]

Thank you.

[Mike]

All right. All right, guys, as you see, Tyler had to bounce. We appreciate you guys so much. We have a business meeting at 3:15 for the Cumulus Media stuff that will update Patreon as soon as we get that roll rolling. We're working on the final details of the marketing campaign that's going to hit Dallas for Fort Worth. We're just working on the reels and the final stuff. So that happens at 3:15. So we got to get going a little early today. I was on time, Tyler wasn't. But as always, we appreciate all of you. We'll be on 8 o' clock tonight for night Shift. It will be remote because my ass is not driving to Orlando after all this. And tomorrow morning, Tyler and I are on the on a podcast at 8am with the guys up in New York that we had on. So we'll talk about that later tonight on Night Shift. But as always, we appreciate you guys more than you'll ever imagine. Join the Patreon. Keep in touch. We have a Patreon live event this Sunday. I believe it's seven for everybody in. Patreon's gonna get a link. I'm gonna set up a room and all you guys are gonna get to shoot the and talk and we're gonna start make that a regular. So until tonight at 8pm on Counterculture Rob O' Neal update. Watch our show. It's much better. We'll see you guys in.

[Tyler]

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