Tyler (1:54)

Nice. Yeah.

Mike (1:55)

Gaming channels coming?

Jimmy (1:57)

Yep. Game channel's coming, baby. We had a long time. Does Tessa play? Does Tessa play?

Tyler (2:05)

Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know what. I'm sure she doesn't play warhammer, but I'll figure out what she plays and we'll start getting that linked up.

Mike (2:13)

Play Blackjack. Does that count for the gaming network?

Jimmy (2:16)

We actually, Mike, you were brought up last night in the conversation. Dial on. He said when GTA 6 comes out, you two need to role play as cops.

Mike (2:26)

Yeah, the rest of us will be.

Jimmy (2:27)

Either that or you can live out here.

Mike (2:28)

I play called. I play Call of Duty. It's just very sporadic.

Tyler (2:33)

All right. Mike, how are you? Jimmy said you were hard in the.

Scott Sinister (2:36)

Paint in the comments, so obviously.

Mike (2:38)

Well, what a sound. Cut. Rob's opening statement. I didn't even listen to it yesterday and heard it was that he has a podcast coming down his throat, which is probably the sound bite of the. I know you caught it because you clicked and what a thing to say. Like, I'm gonna go on camera. I'm already a. And I'm Gonna clip. I have someone coming down my throat. Like, I. I just. I just wouldn't. I try not to use that.

Tyler (3:05)

And it's pre recorded. I would have been like, actually, hold on.

Mike (3:07)

Yeah, dude, let's get the coming in my throat part. Let's. Let's re.

Scott Sinister (3:10)

Let's re.

Mike (3:11)

Let's run that back. Let's run it back. But no, I was going. You know, I made a comment about that I posted. And then, you know, people, the same comments. A bunch of nobody cops and, you know, regular military dudes suck and some other ones. But here's what I'm gonna say. I've tried to back off of this. I don't like to talk about, you know, our career.

Scott Sinister (3:27)

It's.

Mike (3:28)

It. People don't like cops and all that, and they Gloria glorify these guys. A regular street cop that does 20 years. And Jimmy knows this. He's already. We've already discussed it. We'll see a hundred times more death and destruction and terrible things than a guy overseas. You go for a certain time, you see some terrible things. And. But you go. And Tyler said over and over you go every day. You have no idea what's next in war. You know what you're going into.

Jimmy (3:53)

You're gonna.

Mike (3:54)

You're gonna have to kill dogs. You're gonna have to shoot people. You might have to take a kid out.

Scott Sinister (3:57)

It's horrible.

Mike (3:59)

But you could go like, we talk about your emotions of a cop every day. And I'm not sticking up for the job. I don't do it anymore. But you go from granny's dead on the couch to a robbery to a sexual battery of a child, over and over and over. And a big bad Navy SEAL is a. And he can't handle a little bit of criticism or somebody talking about him, and he brings his wife into it and his kids into it.

Jimmy (4:23)

It's just.

Mike (4:23)

Just bad, bad. So that's kind of what the comments were. I was kind of expressing that, you know, that back and forth with some people.

Tyler (4:29)

Was that on our real.

Mike (4:30)

Yeah, it's under the comments. It's not much. You know, I don't really get too involved, but I. I slide in, make my slick comments. I do. I don't care. You know, but the more you talk about it, somebody. Oh, somebody's saying it's all we talk about. Here we are talking about it again. But it's like, we didn't talk about it. You're getting sued if you're. If you think a guy suing you for 25 million.

Scott Sinister (4:52)

Here's the day conversation.

Tyler (4:54)

Those made punks in the comment section. I want to say it's all we talk about. It's all Andy stumps posted this week. It's all Andy stumps posted for a week and a half. Is any stump allowed to post it? But we're not. The motherfucker's talking about us.

Mike (5:08)

Yeah.

Tyler (5:09)

So, yeah, I'm gonna get my money's worth. I told them that. I told them. I told everybody that, dude, if you play this game, dude, I'm gonna get my money's worth. You're going to get back into the spotlight, Rob. And this is a. I mean, this isn't a lesson on media, and it's not a lesson on how to do anybody's job, but this would be a. It would be retarded to sleep on this.

Mike (5:30)

I don't think we would have. I'm honestly, with the change in our show and the change of our. Our setup and our different, you know, group of guys we have, I don't think he would have ever came up again, ever. Maybe in a slight jab here somewhere, maybe something.

Tyler (5:44)

Dude, I wouldn't. I don't care. I don't know why he would have never cared. Rob's the only person that cares about who actually killed usamanlana. Rob o' Neill's the own. I call him Osama bin Lama. Osama bin Laden. Rob's the only that cares about that. He's the only one.

Jimmy (5:59)

When. When I posted the reel that I posted that, I thought that was Rob's parting shot at us. And I was taking my parting shot at him, and it was like, okay, we're moving on. Go yourself.

Tyler (6:12)

You.

Mike (6:13)

He thought he won. He thought he won that day.

Jimmy (6:15)

He thought he had.

Mike (6:16)

He didn't do. Just like everything else, he doesn't have the right information and not that doesn't do the right research. Knee jerk, probably drunk reaction to seeing Brent leave was his. I, they're gone. It's over with. He had no idea what was really going on.

Tyler (6:30)

So, I mean, Jimmy had it right when he said. When we broke it down yesterday. You know, I've always said it, you gotta fire me or kill me. That's the only way you're gonna stop me. I. I mean, the cockroach thing is. Is a good analogy, like, survive anything. I would rather pick, like, another species of animal that can survive any.

Jimmy (6:52)

What's funny is I was quoting you.

Tyler (6:54)

Did I say cockroaches?

Scott Sinister (6:56)

No.

Jimmy (6:56)

No. But we had that conversation before, and you were talking about like, these guys are like cockroaches. I fired my best shot at him and they won't die.

Tyler (7:04)

Yeah, yeah. So we have today. It's. It's Wednesday. Friends day, baby. We have a guest. Me and Mike have gone to his show. We've been friends with him for a long time. He is actually a huge supporter of the show. He's. He's a war veteran and he's a blue. He's a fellow regular guy. He's a fellow blue accordion like us, baby. We're gonna bring him in now. Scott Sinister.

Scott Sinister (7:33)

Yo, what's going on, guys?

Tyler (7:36)

What's up, man?

Scott Sinister (7:37)

Nothing much, man. How about you?

Tyler (7:40)

Hey, dude, I've been. I've been stoked to have this interview for a long time. Even, like in the old format, we were trying to get you. Get you into Orlando at some point. And then when you came in, I know you, you were super booked, so you couldn't make the squad cast that time. But. But yeah, man, we just want. We just want to get to know you. Every guest that we have on has some kind of tie to our community, was first responders or, you know, military or veteran. And you're. What I respect so much about you is that you. It's not that anybody would be ashamed, but a lot of people do not or emphasize or show anything about maybe military service when they're in the entertainment sphere. And it's. It's just because we know how people can take one thing and be like, oh, I'm gonna label him this now, because he, you know, we all went to war. We all realize how most that, like, 95 of that war was. But when you're 20 years old, you don't know. You think you're doing, you know, God's work and. But, man, let's kick it off, dude. You know, tell us a little bit about yourself. What. What. What made you. Your upbringing, what made you join the military? And then, boom, we'll move on to the good stuff.

Scott Sinister (8:56)

Yeah, well, the military. Oh, dude, I was. I enlisted when I was 17, so delayed entry.

Jimmy (9:07)

What year?

Scott Sinister (9:08)

27 or. No, excuse me. 2009. 2009. I left in 2010, so I enlist. Yeah, I enlisted when I was 17 in 2009. Dude, this is. I gotta think about this for a second. That's a long time ago. Yeah, so I was airsofting a lot, which sounds really, really lame, but I was airsofting a lot.

Tyler (9:33)

That stuff's fun, dude.

Scott Sinister (9:34)

And that's. That's kind of how. That's kind of how it started. I was a horrible student in high school, was totally not about to like, graduate. And not because I was like, into any sort of like, bad. I just like, I prioritized like music. My love for music was like the. Probably like the, the biggest passion. And yeah, like, when I turned 17, I was like. My mom was like, you know, where. Where are you gonna shout out to the horrible students? Yeah, um, yeah, my mom was like, my. Wait, can you guys hear me? Am I speaking too loud? No, you're good, you're good. Okay. All right, perfect.

Tyler (10:13)

Good.

Scott Sinister (10:14)

Um, yeah, my mom and dad were like, you know, what are you going to do when you graduate? And I was like thinking to myself, like, if. If I graduate, they didn't realize how bad it was. But basically I, I just told them. I was like, I. I don't know. I know what I want to do, but I don't know how I'm going to get there. And so the guys I was airsofting with, thankfully it was a good, good group of dudes. And a lot of them were joining the military. Most of them joined the army and one guy in particular joined the infantry. And actually a funny sort of sidebar. My recruiter actually recruited like two other people from my school and like two of my cousins. Like, we all had the same recruiter was really, really weird, but he was like one of the best army recruiters in that region. Like, had like this big ass award for it on his desk.

Tyler (11:08)

What's the scale of. Oh, like bringing people in like that?

Scott Sinister (11:11)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Because I was like. Yeah, essentially. But yeah, so originally when I, When I had, where. When I was like talking to that recruiter, I. I wanted to be a pogue. Which is super funny now in hindsight because the way I got introduced to the infantry was literally I was probably like 24 hours from going to MEPs, like after I had like done the ASVAB and all that shit. And the, this infantry recruiter was, you know, over hearing a conversation that I was having with my recruiter and he was like, hey, what are you going in as again? And I was like, ah, you know, I want to do like this. It was like some like, I can't even remember what the identifier was, but just a, just a straight pogue. And he was like, dude, before you go down there, man, let me show you this video. And it was like this quick two minute, like montage of like, probably like Ranger and sf.

Tyler (12:15)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (12:15)

Just doing like crazy kicking indoors under night vision. Fast Roping, dude.

Tyler (12:20)

Your own helicopter, bro.

Scott Sinister (12:22)

Dude, it looked like Blackhawk down in real life. And I was like, what job is that? He's like, 11 Bravo. And I was like, yeah, how do I get that job? And he was like, oh, dude, you just. You just. You just say you want it, he'll give it to you. And I'm like, anybody.

Mike (12:36)

Anybody can have it.

Scott Sinister (12:37)

Yeah, no, for real. He was like, yeah, bro, anybody can have it. And I was like, ah, dude. So literally, my recruiter's like, look, man, he was a combo guy, so he was a pogue. And he was like, with a pogue unit and everything. So he was. He was like. That was. That was his whole thing. He was like, dude, look, you don't have to listen to. I'll never forget the guy's name. His name was Sergeant Babis. So if you're out there and you ever see this video, you.

Tyler (13:01)

But. Same way.

Scott Sinister (13:04)

But. But yeah, he was like, he's like, look, man, you don't have to listen to Sergeant Babas, man. You can, you know, you can choose something else. You can go with your first pick. And I'm like, nah, man. I'm like, I want to be infantry. And that's. That's how that happened. So I want to be cold and.

Tyler (13:19)

Hungry all the time.

Mike (13:22)

My video was like, you remember that projector with the. That spun the two big wheels?

Scott Sinister (13:26)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mike (13:27)

That's how they showed it to me. They were like, yeah, it was.

Scott Sinister (13:30)

Lights were on, guys.

Mike (13:32)

Yeah, I had the same video. Just mine was like, they were, you know, riding on horses and.

Jimmy (13:36)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (13:40)

Yeah. So obviously now with like the. The geopolitical state of affairs that we're. We're find ourselves in, I'm, you know, I'm definitely, like, reflecting a lot and reminiscing about, like, damn. Like, it is really crazy, like, because I, you know, I. I was in Afghanistan when I was 20. I turned 21, had my 21st birthday overseas, and like, yeah, I was. I was ready to die for this.

Tyler (14:06)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (14:07)

You know.

Tyler (14:08)

Yeah, I learned about. I went to Baghdad in 2008, and around 2012, 2013, around when I got out, I started learning about Paul Bremer and the Department of State and how he disbanded the Iraqi army and sent a bunch of military age males with no job, completely destroyed their economy. And then all of a sudden, these people that ended up being ISIS later on down the road were like, hey, you guys need money? Well, we'll pay you per bomb you blow up. And they're like, okay, so we actually incentively or essentially created our own enemy over there. It's crazy. I didn't know any of that until I was older.

Scott Sinister (14:50)

Yeah, that kind of seems like the, the, the thing that, that always happens somehow. Somehow we always are involved with engineering our own, our own enemies before they become our enemies. Yeah, yeah, we talked to a very common theme.

Tyler (15:06)

What would you guys call Elizabeth Lane, an independent investigative journalist?

Jimmy (15:11)

Elizabeth Lane?

Mike (15:12)

Yeah.

Tyler (15:12)

Yeah.

Mike (15:14)

That's just polite ways.

Tyler (15:15)

Yeah, yeah, she was here. She was here, I think it was last week and I was talking to her and man, we're trying to explain to her that you know, when you're, when you're 20 or there's just no telling. I could, I could scream off the rooftops right now to 20 year old kids about what it's really like, you know, war and like you said, global economic or global policy and everything that goes on. I mean, dude, you're, you're like, yeah, cool, man. I wanna, I wanna serve my country. There's just no changing that.

Scott Sinister (15:49)

That's how, that's how it starts off. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we can get into more geopolitical stuff I guess later in the interview, but.

Tyler (15:59)

Well, that stuff started back in 1939, dude.

Jimmy (16:07)

I mean, I, the first of all, I mean, I think your path.

Scott Sinister (16:10)

When did you, when did you go in 2002? Well, 2010 is when I, that's when I left to go to Fort Benning.

Jimmy (16:17)

Oh, wow. Okay.

Scott Sinister (16:18)

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Jimmy (16:19)

So you're, you're nine years behind me.

Scott Sinister (16:22)

Oh, damn. Oh, wait, what, what year did you go?

Jimmy (16:25)

I went to Benny in June 2001.

Tyler (16:27)

Jimmy's prior 911. He joined before 9 11, dude. Yeah.

Jimmy (16:32)

911 happened when I would. We were on the, we were on the road march out to the moving target range. Oh, that's the 911 happened.

Mike (16:40)

Damn. I joined around Desert Storm.

Scott Sinister (16:42)

How about that?

Jimmy (16:43)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (16:43)

Oh, man.

Jimmy (16:44)

Dude.

Scott Sinister (16:44)

Yeah, I actually remember, I remember you briefly touching on that in person. I was like, yeah, like sometimes I feel old, but I can't imagine you guys.

Mike (16:55)

April 1996, man.

Tyler (16:59)

What made you want to get out of the army and not be a career guy?

Jimmy (17:02)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (17:02)

Okay. Yeah. So. So like I said, I knew that I always wanted to do music like that was going to be like what I'm doing right now was my final stop, but I just didn't know how I was going to get there. Yeah. So obviously like the, the, you know, the incentives are, are pretty much what sold me on, on the army specifically. And the fact that I Kind of. I'm a big, like, personal control kind of guy, you know? So the Marines didn't appeal to me because they're like, what? Because I was like, well, can I be infantry, you know, in the Marines? And they're like, nah, because my dad was in the Marines, so, you know, my dad was kind of like, oh, how come you don't, you know, become a jarhead? I'm like, you know, he's watching this too, by the way, so jam his ass up a little bit. But, yeah, you know, so it was. It was really mostly because I couldn't pick my job. And I heard the army got all the cool. So, like, all the new stuff, and I'm like, oh, dude, if I'm gonna be a war fighter, I want the new stuff, man. I want to be out there looking like Ghost Recon. And then, of course, that wasn't me.

Tyler (18:02)

But I remember all the recruiters names. I remember. I. I mean, I grew up in suburbia, right?

Scott Sinister (18:08)

Yeah.

Tyler (18:08)

And it was 2007 when I was talking to the Marine Corps recruiter named. Sorry. He would always call me. And before I met him, his name was Sergeant Liljohn. Well, it's Sergeant Little John.

Scott Sinister (18:19)

Yeah.

Tyler (18:21)

So I'm like, what? I can tell. I can tell he's African American. And I'm like, man, this guy. They have nicknames. They have nicknames, bro. He's Sergeant Lil John. And then I met him, and his name tag says Little John. And he's like, my mom's Native American. I was like, oh, I get it now. Okay.

Mike (18:41)

Wrong. You picked the wrong race to stereotype.

Scott Sinister (18:44)

Yeah, that's funny and crazy at the same time.

Tyler (18:48)

And I was like, oh, I really. I really want to do infantry. And he was like, can't guarantee it, bud. I'm like, you can't guarantee.

Scott Sinister (18:56)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm like, dude, why. Why wouldn't you. Why wouldn't you just approve me wanting to go and die? Like, why. Why wouldn't you say yes after.

Mike (19:07)

After talking to Tyler? Like, man, this guy might need just to be in the kitchen scrubbing pockets. We don't know. We don't know if we can give him a gun.

Tyler (19:14)

Yeah, my name is Little John.

Scott Sinister (19:17)

Yeah, we had a.

Jimmy (19:20)

We had a spotted eagle and a cloud. My. My fo was named Wayne Cloud. That's not a joke. He was a Sue. He was a Sioux Indian.

Tyler (19:33)

Oh.

Scott Sinister (19:35)

Yeah, There's a lot of natives in. In the army, especially.

Tyler (19:40)

Yeah, there are tons. Which I'm surprised there's not weird rules for I mean, and I don't mean this in any derogatory way, but yeah, Native Americans have a lot of different rules when it comes to their territories and their reservations. I'm surprised that they don't have like their own military unit, to be honest.

Scott Sinister (19:59)

Yeah.

Tyler (19:59)

But yeah, I had one too. My, I had Staff Sergeant Topalm, you know, and he was, he was, he was more of a cholo just because he grew up in the army.

Scott Sinister (20:07)

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (20:08)

He didn't know him. He was bald and tattoos. You're like. But he's actually Native American.

Scott Sinister (20:13)

All the guys I knew because I briefly for like a year was in like a, like a. I guess you'd call it as like a scout, infantry, scout platoon. But there, there was a guy in there and he was like high speed as. From what I remember, super squared away dude. But. But yeah, anyways. So your question was what? Oh, how did, how I basically kind of how I got to where I'm.

Tyler (20:38)

Yeah. Like, why weren't you a career guy?

Scott Sinister (20:40)

Oh, oh, oh, dude. Yeah. So I joined with full fully knowing, like this is not like I'm just gonna do, you know, do my time and kind of get out and then, you know, go to school and you know, hopefully do what I need to do. But yeah, I mean I, that was like why I initially joined. And then like while I was in, I obviously became like, you know, especially like, you know, inter deployment, post deployment. I was like very patriotic and I still am, you know, to like a certain degree. Obviously there's some nuance with it now, but. But you know, when I, when I was in, I was like, yes, like I'm doing the right. I'm fighting for my country. I like, I was like really passionate about it. So I, I thought about staying in, but I'm like, man, like I just really, really, really want to be like back then it was like I envisioned myself like being the front man of some huge metal band which I obviously the future ended up, you know, panning out a lot differently. But like, I never pictured myself as like a, a rapper. But I mean with the, with the, the age of like, I guess accessibility and everything's done like online and in a digital sense now. That's just kind of like what ended up happening. Like the rise of studio projects and one man bands and one man shows, all that kind of thing kind of, you know, it just blossomed into that. But, but yeah, I mean I always knew that that wasn't going to be, you know, my final stop.

Tyler (22:13)

Were you doing Music at all before the army or did you just kind of know that was enough that you were.

Scott Sinister (22:17)

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I knew I wanted to do it. So like at 14, I. At 14 I was basically. When I like picked up the microphone, I had a bunch of friends that were in like a death metal band that like. But all the spots were full guitar, drums, bass, all that. And so. But they didn't have a vocalist. And I was like, well, I was like, I want to play, you know. So I was like, I'll try, I'll try my hand at vocals. And so I started just like making sounds in my room. And. And one day I kind of thought to myself like, damn, like, I think this actually kind of sounds like some that we listen to. Which at the time was like, you know, Cannibal Corpse, you know, Behemoth and like that. And so I was like, I think I got something here. So I had my mom go out and buy me a like a little cheap little plug in USB microphone plug and play from like Best Buy. This is back when Best Buy had like a. Yeah, yeah, they used to have like a music section and kind of like it was like a little meal with car center. Dude, it was Best Buy used to be sick. But yeah, so went. Got one of those, came home, plugged it in and I, I started making the sounds in like this little free program called Audacity. It was like a free audio program and I sent it to my friend who played guitar in that band and he was like, oh, this actually does sound kind of cool. He's like, let me, let me whip up a little like instrumental for you. And like you could just kind of write some on it. And so he did that. I sent something back and they were like, okay, yeah, like, we want to have you in the band. And so that, that became like my first band. It was called Gutted Remains. And there's like a different. Yeah, yeah, there's like, it's you know, super death metal, but there's a digital footprint for all this stuff too. Like if you type in like Scott Gonzalez Immortus or Scott Gonzalez Gutter Remains, there's tons of like stuff that will come up. The only live performance music video came later.

Tyler (24:13)

Did you know how to do all that before you tried out? Or was it like you. When you kind of like Ford like fib an application a little bit like, I can do it, you know.

Scott Sinister (24:22)

Well, well, it was. Yeah, it was like. It was kind of just. It wasn't really A take my word for it kind of thing. But it was like, hey, I'm gonna try my hand at this and just like, try to. Try to be good. And. Yeah, like, that's just how it happened. Like, I was just making the sounds and you know, based on it was a lot of, like, imitating, like listening to death metal and like trying to sound like that. Trying to make those sounds and then. And then, yeah, like, it. Eventually it just kind of. It caught. It caught on slowly. I wasn't good at first by any means. I was trash.

Tyler (24:59)

Did you play at all in the army? Did you like. Or did you just maintain skill while by yourself?

Scott Sinister (25:04)

Yeah. So when I was in the army, there was like a pretty big break because I was not around any of that stuff anymore. But when I was in Afghanistan, I started like an electronic. Like, it was like a dark electronic project. The. This. The sound is kind of popular more in like, Europe. But I. I had listened to, I guess it's like. I guess what you would call industrial music in layman's terms. But I had. I was working with a girl at the time. I started this project with her called Nexium, and we made the first. I recorded the first track, this kind of. Again, lots of in betweens. But the last two months of my deployment, this was like during the winter. And I was in RC East. So if you're familiar with Afghanistan, if you've had multiple deployments to Afghanistan, RC east occupied.

Tyler (25:59)

The.

Scott Sinister (25:59)

The main battalion was up at battalion headquarters was in Gardez. That was the. The FOB that it was at. So I'm trying to think Paktia Province was the name of the province that. That we were. That was like our. Our ao. So I got sent up there the last like two months because they needed a competent RTO radio telephone operator that was like pretty much what I handled at a platoon level for a lot of patrols. And so they needed a guy that was like, you know, like Johnny on the spot with it. So they were like, hey, you're gonna go up there. And originally the assignment was for two weeks. And where we were at was like, there was hella snow. And yeah, we just. Air was red when I was supposed to go back for like a long time. So pretty much I just never went back. Like, I just stayed there the last 60 days. And yeah, so I had a lot of free time. I was working 12 on, 12 off outside in like this huge battalion talk. And yeah, I like. I said nothing but time. So I would like get off shift, go to the Gym and like, go back to, like. I had like a. I actually had my own little room, which was kind of. Kind of sick.

Jimmy (27:18)

You had your own shoe?

Scott Sinister (27:20)

Yeah, yeah, no, it was. It was. It was sick. There was like a bunch of officers and in there mainly, too, so. And they. They all worked nights, so I would get off, because I would get off at like 6 o', clock, hit the gym, get some. Get some child and freaking be. Be back in my. My room by like, 8. And I would just, like, write some lyrics and like, I. I bought like a little setup off of Amazon as the little setup, basically, and I recorded the very first song of that project in. In my little. My little room that I had.

Tyler (27:57)

In your tan T shirt, your bd.

Scott Sinister (27:59)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, probably like wearing RV shorts or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (28:05)

Most likely in your reflective belt.

Scott Sinister (28:08)

Yeah, no, no, didn't. I. No, we didn't have all that on this. On this. On this fob. Wasn't necessary, but. But yeah, so. And so I carried on that project after I got back for, like, three additional years. So I actually basically had the project, like, towards. Right before I got out. I got out in 2015, released the first album for that project in, like, 2016, and then my bandmate died of a drug overdose. So when she passed away, like, it was towards the end of 2016, and I hadn't used my GI bill yet, and I was working at a comic book shop out here, like, in greater Atlanta, in a city called Duluth, and I was like, I think I'm gonna go to school, like, for music. And. Yeah, so that's. So, like, I literally filled out the enrollment sheet, like, online at my work while I was working one night, and I was like, I think I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna go for it. Where'd you go? The Atlanta Institute of Music.

Tyler (29:20)

Okay.

Scott Sinister (29:20)

I. I graduated twice from that school. Burned the entire GI Bill. Just burned the whole thing. I went to two different programs there, audio recording and audio post production. Was that. That was a degree program? So the first one was Assert, and then I went back to finish the degree because it was like, okay, we.

Tyler (29:39)

Actually have a college degree.

Scott Sinister (29:41)

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's like. It's an associate's degree of. For, like, something very specific.

Tyler (29:48)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (29:49)

Did you.

Tyler (29:51)

Did you. Did you learn any, like, music theory or anything like that, or was it all production?

Scott Sinister (29:56)

Yeah, basically. I mean, they only teach you, like, basic music theory, like, when you get there, so. I'm not. I'm definitely not. Well, Versed, like, like an actual musician would be. But I mean, I definitely like, the whole point of me going to that school wasn't really because I needed it, but I wanted to legitimize myself as a musician and because like I. School is, I guess it's gotten over the years like less important to me. But back then I valued the education and I valued the knowledge that I didn't have. And it's like I maybe am not like, I learn really well. For me personally, I learned really well in like a. I guess kind of like a school type of environment. I don't really learn. Like, I can't. I can't really pick up on from like YouTube University, you know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not that great at like self teaching myself a bunch of. But yeah, no, I mean like it. It definitely helped a lot learning the basics so that I could like take everything with me on the outside and like the, the biggest thing, what I was gonna. I'll just end on this was I wanted to be able to sit inside of a room with other musicians and like be able to describe and contextualize better like what I want. If I'm trying to be like, if I want to direct guys and say, hey, like play this, like this. You know what I mean? Like, I can actually like, you know, I know a little bit of lingo to kind of, you know, hang with a crowd of proper musicians.

Tyler (31:29)

Do you. What. What instruments do you play?

Scott Sinister (31:33)

A little bit of guitar. I wouldn't even call myself a guitar player. So I'm. I'm primarily a vocalist.

Tyler (31:38)

Okay. I saw you in the, in the 1. The music video looked like you were playing bass and singing.

Scott Sinister (31:44)

Yeah. Based. Yeah, I had a bass for that. So I learned like a majority of that song enough to kind of like mime it for a music video. So. So yeah.

Tyler (31:53)

So you're. You're in the world of metal, the bands. I was gonna ask this as like kind of like a branding question or like a. Almost like you would like a business question. Like I remember following you when you made the announcement that you were kind of branding everything under Sinister as opposed to you had. Because it seemed like at the time you had your route, which was the metal route with the band and all that stuff and the music for that. And then you also did the trap rap. The trap. Is that what it's called? Trap rap?

Scott Sinister (32:26)

Yeah, yeah, it's basically that's. That's pretty much what it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (32:31)

So when did you. And why did you decide to kind of like. Like I could only imagine one dude on tour is easier to fund than five dudes on tour.

Scott Sinister (32:41)

Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (32:42)

So your business, I'm assuming they're all 1099.

Scott Sinister (32:46)

Yeah. Yeah. So like the.

Mike (32:52)

It.

Scott Sinister (32:52)

My mind has changed a lot over the years. Like I. It used to be that I was going to have like I was going to make everything and I mean at this point I technically have, but now I am branching off. I think at the time you followed me, I don't think I had this other like full on death core project that I have now called Hate Within. So again, I. I have a lot of really crazy ideas and thankfully I have enough people that believe in me to support these crazy ideas and are willing to like join up in these projects to compose music for them. But yeah, at the time, because I think you probably started following me in what, like 2023 or something? Like end of 2023. Ish.

Tyler (33:33)

Yeah, I think so.

Scott Sinister (33:35)

Somewhere around there. Because I remember I was hip to you guys when you did the first, that one show that got like mega canceled. You and Brent did. What was, what was the festival? Shell Shock. Shell Shock Fest. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think was in 2023, right? That was, that was 2023.

Tyler (33:55)

Oh, it was 2024.

Scott Sinister (33:58)

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Oh, dude, we're getting more in 2026. Okay, yeah, it was 2024. Okay. Yeah. So I had just started. I had just branched out like, and added this whole other new metal project, 2024, so almost two years ago now called Hate Within. So. But yeah, like to your question though, what made me want to just have everything under one, one banner, under the sinister banner? Was that, was that what it was?

Tyler (34:33)

Yeah, yeah. I just kind of. I didn't know if it was just easier, if it was smarter financially, if it was smarter like energy wise. Like, I mean if you're, if you're all over the place. I know. Like for instance, I. We, like, I merged, you know, me and Mike and Justin, who's backstage right now, we own Counterculture Inc. Media.

Scott Sinister (34:53)

Right.

Tyler (34:54)

And I own an apparel company and I was going to events and I was like, well, I, I rebranded the apparel company to Counterculture Inc. And you know, the, the on paper it's different threads and stuff, but I was like, it's just easier the less umbrellas. You have to like bring it in. So, you know. Yeah, I know that case.

Scott Sinister (35:17)

So initially it was like that and because like when I, I thought Hate within was biting off way Too much. And so I was like, I am going to like, bring everything back in and like, okay, I'm going to have everything just under the Sinister banner from now on. But then again, like I said, my mind changes so much and I'm like, yeah, I don't even care about necessarily, like, working efficiently anymore. Like, in. In that regard. Like, having too many projects or having too many brands, I guess in your case. I think, like. I think depending on, like, Sinister taps into like a whole different market, which is like the rap, trap rap scene, basically. Right. But because of who I am as a metal guy, which is very unique.

Jimmy (36:02)

For.

Scott Sinister (36:03)

For like the trap rap scene, it's like, it could like, all of these things could all like, like my fan base, I don't know. They. They all like, they probably hate each other. Some of them probably are cool with each other, but, like, there's. There's like deval metal heads that love other strictly metal that I do that will not listen to any rap. They're like, rap is like, all somebody.

Mike (36:28)

Has to do is walk into your show and you can see the. Yeah, no, well, I. I love the different types of people listening.

Jimmy (36:37)

I. I've listened to Tyler's played your music. For me, that's as much as I know. So, like, I'm. I'm kind of like the every man in this situation right now, dude.

Scott Sinister (36:47)

Honestly.

Tyler (36:49)

Yeah, go ahead.

Scott Sinister (36:52)

Oh, I was just gonna say that's. That's kind of like the weird beauty of it though, too, is like, I definitely have fans that are normies. And I. I don't. Jimmy, I don't mean that in a. In a negative, like, in a derogatory.

Jimmy (37:04)

I was 11. Bravo too. You ain't hurting my feelings.

Scott Sinister (37:07)

Yeah, but it's just like, you know, it is what it is. Like, I did a feature with. That's not to get too sidetracked, but we can talk about this later. But I did a Collab with. In 2024 with a. Like a pretty big. Like, I would consider them like a. A list, man. Yeah. Nothing more. And that really changed a lot for me in terms of, like, appeal for Sinister specifically. And so, like, now I have fans that are totally, like, they. They look at what I do and they're like, you're the only artist in this genre that. That I know that makes this type of music, like. And they'll try to, like, listen to other, you know, adjacent artists, I guess, and they'll be like, ah, it's like too much or I don't get it. But it's like that affiliation with nothing more, I think, is really what attracts them to me. I think if I never had that, they would have never even listened to my music before, which sucks. But in this case, it's fine because they did find me through nothing more, and they. They appreciate what I do outside of nothing more, which is. Which is cool.

Tyler (38:10)

How did that. How did that collab happen? Do you personally know anybody from that camp, or are they from the Atlanta area?

Scott Sinister (38:16)

No, not at all. They're from. Those guys are from Texas. And the way that happened was actually really funny. So their son plays a lot of Fortnite, a lot of video games. Okay. And so at the time, I was making a lot of this, like, TikTok funk music that's, like, using a lot of, like, gym reels and Fortnite montages and Call of Duty montages and shit. And so I have this song called One Shot, One Kill.

Jimmy (38:45)

That's the song I was listening to.

Scott Sinister (38:47)

Yeah. So, I mean, all the military guys like that, so. For obvious reasons, but. So I guess his son was. Was like, play. Played that song a lot while he was playing Fortnite and told, like. I guess they were looking for a collaborator to fill in for this. This song. And they had. Johnny, the vocalist, had told me that. Trying to remember, like, basically he did something on it, and he just didn't like what he did. And I was like, dude, you're like, an amazing singer. What do you mean you don't like what you did? And so, yeah, I mean, as the story goes, they, you know, Johnny messaged me directly on Instagram, which doesn't happen. He even told me. He's like, I never do that. I just so happened to, like, find your page and, you know, saw what you do and, you know, had remembered you from our manager son who plays your music, this song in particular. And. And, yeah, so that was. That was basically how that happened. He, like, sent me the song, and I was like, you want me on this? I'm like, dude, this is like. Not only is this a banger, dude, this is like an anthem right here, dude.

Tyler (39:56)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (39:56)

Crazy.

Tyler (39:56)

Oh, man, they are. They are well past their. Their due recognition. I remember, yeah. That I heard him in 2016, like, this is the last or whatever it's called, and.

Scott Sinister (40:09)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (40:10)

And then, you know, I was like, man, these guys are incredible. And they're just not. They're just one of those bands that I believe the industry. I don't want to use the word shelve, but I do believe that they, they can pull people into the, more of the limelight, more of, you know, and those guys are finally getting the recognition, you know, for. They're really just their awesome music and they're very technical and they're very like good musicians and they're able to also throw that into metal, which is kind of hard to do because if you're too technical and you're too, and you're like that good at music, sometimes it doesn't appeal. So you like getting that mix of both is perfect.

Scott Sinister (40:52)

They were also my very first experience with like playing with in ear monitors on stage. So I played with them over here at the Tabernacle in Atlanta, which is like a, I think it's like a thousand cap room. But they were, they were, I think it was, I think it was the first tour for the Carnival album that they, they had done. And they're like, oh man, you got it. You got to come play it with us. So I like showed up, played it with them, which was a really, really cool experience. But yeah, weirdly, almost nerve wracking. And I'm not, I don't, I don't get nervous easily in that like when it comes to like stage performances. But I felt so like restricted because I'm like, I have this like in ear monitor pack on and, and like usually I'm like spazzing out, going crazy. I'm like, damn. I gotta kind of be like contained because I don't want this to fly off. Yeah, yeah. No, seriously. So I'm like, damn. I'm like. But yeah, so I, I, it was like my performance for that was like very concentrated and focused which for better or for worse, you know, but I did.

Tyler (41:58)

It's crazy you, you've mastered the art of performance because you know, we talked to, we talked to Waylon Revis from A Killer's Confession and we were just trying to like we're as outsiders looking in like you like, we're looking at you. You're Scott just having a conversation. But citizen stage is wild. Like you have, I don't. You know, you have veins in your head, right?

Scott Sinister (42:19)

That's pretty much. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (42:22)

For about an hour.

Scott Sinister (42:24)

Yeah, yeah, I've, I've noticed that. I never, I never used to when I was younger, I think because I like when I first got out of the army, dude, I'm not gonna lie. I was fat. Oh yeah. Yeah, I was fat. I went through a fat boy phase. Terrible. And so like. But I was doing sinister though in like 2017. And I was still. I still had that weight, and when I was doing the yell thing, I didn't really notice it much. But now in recent years, that I've, like, cut down a lot of weight. Yeah. Now I see it in, like, the side of my head and, like, my neck. And.

Tyler (42:59)

So you. What was I. I know when we went and saw you, you had been embraced by the Juggalo culture with the Juggalo community.

Scott Sinister (43:09)

Yep, they're in here right now.

Tyler (43:12)

Ouija Mac. Yep, yep, yep. That was. That was. To be honest with you, I was a metalhead grown up. Never really had much engagements with Juggalos. And so they're really nice people. I've never.

Scott Sinister (43:28)

Yeah.

Tyler (43:29)

Never came in contact with a Juggalo. I don't mean to sound like they're, like, an alien. Like, they're very proud. They're very, very proud. I don't. Honestly, to be honest with you, dude, I don't know of a. I don't want to call it a demographic, but I don't know of a category of people who are more proud and less Embarrassed isn't the word, but less timid about what they represent, and they're very, very proud of it.

Scott Sinister (43:54)

Yeah, no, they definitely are. And that's. That's been a thing, man. I'm gonna butcher this. But probably since, like, the 90s, I think, whenever. ICP. I think ICP was an insane Clown Posse for anyone who doesn't know. Were around in, like, the early. Early 90s. And, like, I think the Jugular thing got started sometime around. Around then. And they've been doing the Gathering of the Juggalos since 2000, I think, or, like, maybe 98 or something like that, but I got to play that, too. And that's, like. That's, like the. That was, like, the culmination. That's the super bowl, pretty much it. Really?

Tyler (44:33)

For.

Scott Sinister (44:34)

For that. Yeah, it definitely is. But, yeah, it's. I think, honestly, you know what? I don't know if. Because Whalen is in or was in Mushroom Head at one point. Right. I don't know who they got now.

Tyler (44:50)

Same type of. Same type of.

Scott Sinister (44:52)

Well, dude, Mushroom Head has. Has, like, a long history with performing at the gathering, and they're, like, pretty. Pretty well liked. Yeah. In the Juggler world. Yeah. Yeah. They're like a pretty big.

Tyler (45:04)

Or.

Scott Sinister (45:05)

They were.

Tyler (45:05)

At least Waylon was in Mushroom Head, I think, for 11 years.

Scott Sinister (45:09)

Yeah.

Tyler (45:10)

Yeah. And they do. They also have a very, very, very, like, cult following out of. I think they're out of Cleveland So. But yeah, man, I just thought it was. It was super interesting. We deal with the same type of thing on our show, and I'll let these guys speak on a little bit, but the. For the. The constitutionalism versus law enforcement, and we can kind of get into what's going on in today's world. Definitely want your opinion on it because it is touchy so that we say it all the time. We are not for one of the one or the other. We might laugh at some people doing dumb things like picking up flashbangs, because.

Scott Sinister (45:49)

Yeah, I don't know why in any.

Tyler (45:50)

Situation you would do that. But, you know, somebody throw a grenade.

Jimmy (45:53)

At you, don't pick it up. I mean, how hard is that?

Tyler (45:57)

Or be quicker. Gotta be quicker.

Jimmy (45:58)

Yeah, be fast.

Tyler (46:02)

I'll.

Scott Sinister (46:04)

When I say this, it'll segue into what you guys are or this. This whole geopolitical conversation. But post Charlie Kirk shooting, that was my. That was my. The moment. Because, like, I had already kind of been on the conspiracy tip for a while, but, like, when that happened, I was like, something's going on. And it wasn't because I necessarily, like, was a big Charlie Kirk fan. Like, the only my extent of, like, knowing who Charlie Kirk was. And granted, I disagreed with him on a lot of stuff, but my wife and I had watched, you guys know that. That YouTube channel, Jubilee, where they do like, the debates and it's like called Surrounded. And it's like one guy with one, like a bunch of crazy opinions and like, debating everybody who has the opposite opinion type. So he. He had one on there. And that was like my first exposure to him or sometime, like, I think it was like after. After I got off the Ouija Mac tour. But so we sat and watched that, like I said, definitely did not agree with all the points that he had. We were like. Because some of it's pretty jarring. But in retrospect, after he got killed, what I went back and realized about him when I started watching some of the clips and like that. That specific Jubilee interview was that some of the stuff he was saying was, like, insane. And one thing in particular about, like, some girl asked them, like, you know, if your daughter had like a. An R word baby, like, would, you know, would you still force her to give birth to it? Because he's, you know, he's a pro lifer. And he was like, yeah, I would. And it's like, okay. A lot of people will be like, oh, yeah, him for that. And it's like, in real life, would he actually do it? I mean, we'll never know. But, like, would any reasonable person let. Let their, you know, force their daughter to do that? Probably not. Well, and I love to probably be understanding about it.

Tyler (48:03)

I love the division in our. In our society right now, because that is something that's brought up in every debate. I'm pro life. You are pro abortion. Right. Okay. We're having a debate about edit, you know, and then it gets brought up, well, what about a. A baby that came from the R word?

Scott Sinister (48:21)

Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (48:21)

What. How many times. I mean, on one hand, does anybody know you. No one knows that. Anybody that's happened to. Statistically.

Scott Sinister (48:29)

Yeah.

Tyler (48:30)

Happened. Absolutely. Probably. Probably. Right. But now we got to go into proving that it happened that way. First of all, you got to prove. Right. That's hard enough. I mean, the. The victims that go through that are traumatized already, then you got to go through the court process grueling. Then you got to go through. But anyway, so that an outlier like that is something that will sit there and debate on and hate each other over it. Like, let's all agree. Okay, fine. You know what? When that case comes up, we'll visit that particular case.

Scott Sinister (48:59)

Yeah.

Tyler (49:00)

Let's talk generalities. Like.

Scott Sinister (49:02)

Well, one thing, the last thing I wanted to say just about that specific or him specifically, was that I realized that I'm like, you know what? I definitely don't agree with that, with that sentiment. But what I respect is the consistency. Because even if he didn't believe that and even if he wouldn't actually do that in the moment, in the heat of the moment, he didn't bend, and he was like, yeah, I would. And it's like, I respect it. I respect it. I respect the consistency a lot.

Tyler (49:30)

Like. Like, you don't. Hey, let's say. Let's say people out there hate Trump. They gotta respect his game, dude. He'll go out. What he said when he made fun of John McCain, and everybody's like, whoa, that's too far. When he goes, well, he's the one that got captured, you know.

Jimmy (49:49)

Well, you know. You know what's funny, dude, is, is my grandpa will tell you that John McCain got himself shot down. So.

Scott Sinister (49:57)

Yeah.

Jimmy (49:57)

And they flew together. So.

Scott Sinister (49:59)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, when it comes to. I guess. Well, I don't know. What do you guys want to segue into with this?

Tyler (50:12)

Really? Just. I mean, like I was saying. Yeah. It could go anywhere. Well, I was kind. I was trying to relate to. When you talk like you're. You have an audience, you're entertaining. Right. You love them all, you need them all. You're trying to build a community, but there's so many different people in there. And then you bring up one thing, you put out one single something, do one collab. Half of the people are like. And that's kind of where we stand. We're like, mike is a huge constitutionalist. I'm a huge constitutionalist. Jimmy's a huge constitutionalist. But we are also pro law and order to maintain our country. So you have very, you know, very, very, very opinionated and vocal ICE supporters. Right. Like, don't. With law enforcement. Don't get in their way. You won't get hurt. Let them do their job. And then you have the constitutionalists that support us and are like, well, hold on, at what point is this tyranny? And we just try to make it like a conversation.

Scott Sinister (51:13)

Yeah.

Tyler (51:14)

Everybody kind of like melt into it and have debates and have opinions. But it does. Like, the polarizing supporters, I guess, is it's. It's challenging to grow to make it a community. So you're taking two separate groups and you're trying to make it one group under your support system. And it is a challenging thing to do.

Scott Sinister (51:34)

Yeah, no, it definitely is. And I mean, even like, I remember, I think you and I had briefly talked. This ties in with kind of what you're saying about playing a shell shock fest. If you, like, back when you guys thought you were going to do a second one, you're like, yeah, would you be down to play it? And I was like, oh, yeah, dude, for sure. You know, but you were like, yeah, look, I'll give you the heads up. We're. We are a little controversial after the first one. And I was like, yeah, I mean, like, you know, I don't really care. You know what I mean? Like, I had.

Tyler (52:08)

What happened with that was it was a hardcore band from the mid 2000s called Evergreen Terrace.

Scott Sinister (52:12)

Yeah, yeah.

Tyler (52:14)

And they are all our age now. They're all in their 40s. They're all huge liberal to like, liberal agenda people. Like, yeah, I'm talking like, as. As liberal as it gets. And they're very anti law enforcement. But because it wasn't on the stage that it was on in the. In social media and pop culture, they were okay with doing a PTSD charity event for first responders and veterans. Right. That. That's where I think everybody could get on the same page. Like, of course I don't like this and I don't like that and I don't like this, but the people that are stuck doing it that suffer from ptsd, they do need support. So we all could get on the same page with that. And then, long story short, somehow Kyle Rittenhouse ended up in the mix as a guest. I let people run that page and run that event that had no experience doing it. And I don't know how that slipped through the cracks of, yeah, let's bring in politics into this. This will really help.

Scott Sinister (53:13)

Yeah, yeah.

Tyler (53:14)

Well, as soon as that got leaked, it was all on full blown. The whole hardcore scene was, as Rob says, coming down our throats. And then we. And then. I'm telling you, bro, I know. I know how this works. I've been under invest. Well, I've been under investigation, but I've been in investigations. And it was offloaded to Antifa to keep fighting the fight.

Scott Sinister (53:40)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (53:41)

Then the horde really came. First off, it was just hardcore people that was like, get Kyle Rittenhouse out of our scene. You. That was. That was the first initial push. Then the horde of people that had no interest in hardcore music were destroying us, ratioing us on Instagram, flooding everybody calling everybody involved, calling every sponsor they have, calling everybody's place of business like it was. And so I started looking at these people. They're all antifa. I'm like, well, that's strange that it was pretty much offloaded to Antifa.

Mike (54:14)

That and that.

Scott Sinister (54:15)

Yeah.

Mike (54:15)

It goes with what you just said with Charlie Kirk. And I'm. My point is, regardless if you agree with him or not, he gave you an opportunity to talk very peacefully.

Scott Sinister (54:24)

Yeah.

Mike (54:24)

Let you say you're absolute anti his belief. He debated it with you, and he set the microphone down and off you went. And in this scenario, like that shows you bring in one little thing about politics and that some people will try to ruin your life, sabotage, and create so much, so many problems for you. That is where I agree. That's where it's wrong to me. And that's kind of where I stand with ICE and impeding the federal agents. You can't create a scenario that disrupts law and order and chaos. And like Antifa doing that to that concert venue, the outcome was supposed to be good for a lot of people, regardless of their political beliefs. And that's where the politics kills good things.

Scott Sinister (55:07)

Yeah. You know, actually on that note, it's. It's really hard to live in the United States right now, though, and not have some sort of political opinion, though.

Jimmy (55:20)

Yeah, that's fair.

Scott Sinister (55:21)

We. We are in a very politically charged country. It's just And I think we always have been. Whether people want to like, accept it or not. The US is, is always going through some political. There's never been a time that I can think of recently where we haven't been. So yeah, it's really hard not to have any sort of political opinion. I think it's also really hard to always remain apolitical on every single subject, you know, because everybody has opinions. But so which is, I mean, that's something I try to do my best and I think like, I think I do a pretty good job at it. It's not that I'm like trying to like, I never want to be one of those people that's like, oh yeah, I don't want to tell my, or talk about my, like, you know, my stance on this or whatever. But a lot of times, genuinely, I have never paid attention to geopolitics as much as I have within the last like four or five months. Like, I've always just been like, focused on, on what I'm doing, trying to be successful. So.

Mike (56:31)

Yeah, you know, it's when you influence people, it's when you influence people. I'm gonna. My best example. And he talking about my family. I hope they don't watch. I had a family member that raised their child to be super far left. Like everything from very young age was. No Republicans. No, no. When I raised my four children, I. They heard my version of what I believed in. At no point did I ever try to convince them or change them, tell them they should think a certain way. And I think they all four grow up very, very right down the middle. They agree with some things on the left, they agree with some things on the right. But when you take someone's brain out of it and you raise them or guide them to be a certain way, and I think that's what we're seeing in today's world is like you can't like even a band, you can't like a band that would play at a military PTSD event because that's too far. Right now we hate them. Like, you have to operate somewhere down the middle of like, you know, you have to be able to hear both sides of the story and make your own un violent, non violent way of living in that sphere and not go crazy on either side. And I believe both sides have absolute maniacs on both sides. I'm not taking a side, but there are psychopaths on both sides of this argument. And somewhere in the middle I keep saying, this is all of us just trying to get by man trying to be cool with everybody, trying to have a good time, trying to raise money, trying to do a business. And unfortunately, you can be canceled or just completely on the rest of your life for going too far in one direction.

Scott Sinister (58:00)

Dude, like even to.

Tyler (58:05)

Now.

Scott Sinister (58:05)

This is, it's, it's leaving me now. Tyler, you brought up something when the, when the podcast first started. Now I can't even remember what it was.

Tyler (58:13)

I'm gonna give you some time to think about it.

Scott Sinister (58:15)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Scott Sinister (61:00)

I. I do, I do. I'll probably have to write it down.

Jimmy (61:02)

Write it down.

Scott Sinister (61:04)

Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (61:04)

We'll be right back.

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Tyler (62:41)

We're back.

Mike (62:43)

Short change.

Tyler (62:44)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (62:45)

Oh yeah. Nice shirts.

Mike (62:47)

I saved. I saved it for the second half. I saved it for the second.

Tyler (62:51)

I went up Mike. I one up Mike. And he was like, damn it.

Mike (62:54)

No, I was gonna. I had a plan. I was thinking about. I'm gonna start changing every week at the break. So today was the first day.

Tyler (63:00)

What I really wanted to do, which we didn't get to, is I wanted to paint our face like black metal musicians. When you show up like, what the hell are these guys doing?

Mike (63:09)

I'm gonna start paying my face to be more like, don't, don't.

Scott Sinister (63:13)

You don't have to do that. But yeah, no, no. So what I was gonna say before I forget again was. Hold on, I gotta look at my notes. Almost forgot. Oh, dude. Yeah. At the beginning of the interview when you talked, you mentioned Tyler about not being open about being prior service. Yeah, yeah, I'm. I, I like, I own it, I guess. Like, it's in my caption in my bio. But I've had a lot of people give me for that. Like both on both sides, both ex military guys will give me for it. And people who just, I don't know, hate military. Yeah, that. Yeah, that too. The minute they find out, oh, you're ex military. Oh, so you're right wing, huh?

Mike (63:56)

You're one of them.

Scott Sinister (63:58)

Whoa, chill. Like all these presumptive, you know.

Tyler (64:07)

I guess. Well, what the military did help me do was help me learn how to strategize brand, work hard, have a mission set. Like all these great things that I out implement into the things that I want to do. Yeah. Got a little bit of training from the military.

Scott Sinister (64:22)

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Jimmy (64:23)

The military also, by the way, gives you a really good cross section of America. So this motley crew of knuckleheads from that are every color under the sun and every race or religion under the sun that you hang out with that are like your bros. Like, I don't know how that makes you right wing. I think if anything, it makes you more middle of the road because you get a more of an understanding of people because you don't have a choice. You got to be with this guy. He's in the platoon.

Scott Sinister (64:50)

Yeah. You know what's funny? I. I think it's just like, for some reason, people just associate either the military and law enforcement or like the military with the government and think like, oh, well, you guys gotta, you know, if they tell you to go shoot a bunch of civilians, that's what you gotta go do. You're just following. Or I'm just like, I don't know. I don't know what goes to people's brains.

Tyler (65:10)

Yeah, but we are at that point all the time.

Scott Sinister (65:12)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No 100%, but yeah, no, people are. People are. People are stupid. But yeah, I deal with that still to this day often. Like I said on. On both sides, like, I get active duty guys that'll be like, man, you piece of. Like, you know, they're like, there's a lot of people that are like. Because I guess, I don't know, maybe I'm not your typical infantry guy. Like, I don't have the infantry look, you know, I'm not like either.

Jimmy (65:39)

I don't know, dude. No, I. I think like looking at you on camera, you look like Jeff Strucker to me.

Tyler (65:45)

You do now. But I want to know. I want to know. Scott.

Scott Sinister (65:49)

Yeah.

Tyler (65:49)

When are we getting this back?

Scott Sinister (65:54)

Never, man. Never. Yeah, dude. You know, funny, funny story real quick. The guy who took that photo is a former army Ranger.

Tyler (66:04)

Really?

Scott Sinister (66:05)

Yeah, he actually shot two of my music videos too. But yeah, I did a number of photo shoots with that guy. Yeah, his name, his name is also Brent, but yeah, him and. Him and another guy named Mike. They. They used to be out here in Georgia. They've relocated elsewhere now. But yeah, I used to shoot a lot with those guys.

Tyler (66:30)

Yeah. So one thing that we kind of resonated together is, you know, you said your dad was retired law enforcement.

Scott Sinister (66:37)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (66:38)

So same here. And I had the same thing. We had the same path, dude. My dad was a cop. Really all I knew. So I'm prone. I'm just gonna use words so nobody freak out. I am prone to more. What would you conservative style values. Because of my dad being a cop, he retired. You know, I remember the Bush Cheney stickers on his, you know, 2002 Tahoe. You know, like, Bush is gonna save the world from the evil. And I was always in bands and I was always in a crazy crowd of people that weren't that. And I was odd, man. My going away party for the band, you know, they were like, oh, Tyler's going to fight for Bush. You know, we're gonna miss them. And you know, and I'm like, I had no idea what they were talking about. Like, what's wrong with Bush? I'm just joining the military. Bad guys in Iraq.

Mike (67:32)

Well, I.

Scott Sinister (67:33)

And that's, that's a whole. The like. Obviously in retrospect, you know, that's a whole different thing now. But yeah, like, I. I guess I've. It's not that I like care one way or another if people like know that about like my dad. Because the thing is, is like, I guess to. To preface this, like my dad. Yes. My dad is a retired police officer, but he never. He worked in an area where there was crime, like actual crime, you know, so a lot of like people that are, I don't know, living in the suburbs where there's like petty theft or like, you know, not a lot of crime people are getting arrested for like, you know, smoking weed or something like that, you know, I don't think my dad was really doing stuff like that. In fact, I can pretty Much. Guarantee you. I know for a fact he was not doing stuff like that. He was actually, like, chasing real crime. But, yeah, Tyler.

Mike (68:37)

How to do that. Tyler doesn't.

Tyler (68:38)

Shut up, Mike.

Scott Sinister (68:41)

But. But, yeah, no, I mean, I forgot where I was going with that.

Jimmy (68:48)

Well, I mean, just politics and, And. And everything else. Right.

Mike (68:53)

Well, I think you said joining the Army. I didn't. I joined, I believe, under Clinton and like, I didn't even think you did.

Jimmy (68:58)

You did join under.

Mike (68:59)

I don't. I didn't think about who the president was. I didn't care. Like, it didn't matter. Democrat or like I was just going to do, like Tyler said. I was going to do what I thought was the right thing to do, which was defend the country and stand up for America. So it didn't matter. I didn't care. Nobody talked about politics. Nobody said a word about the president. Nobody talked about. It was about America. It was about, you know, camaraderie, doing the right thing. And it's different.

Scott Sinister (69:22)

Oh, yeah, sorry. I don't mean to interject, but I remember now. Sorry. So, yeah, no, my. My dad never, like, forced any. He never forced, like, political opinions onto me. Like, all of everything that I believe in now. And him and I differ a lot. Like, he calls me nowadays and we. We just. We're just fighting the whole time. Like, really? Yeah. Like, I'm trying to, like, get him to see things, like from the, the lens that I'm seeing it under now because I'm. I'm. You know, I don't really know how to put it without sounding a certain way, but I am very obviously, like, conspiracy oriented now. I'll just say that that's putting it very lightly, but so what. Yeah.

Jimmy (70:07)

Can I.

Tyler (70:08)

What.

Jimmy (70:08)

What got you going down the conspiracy road?

Scott Sinister (70:12)

Well, do you believe in the moon landing?

Tyler (70:15)

They tried to cook 6 million pizza. No, it didn't work.

Scott Sinister (70:18)

Yeah, it's. I don't. I don't have. I don't have a juice box within arm's reach, but.

Jimmy (70:25)

You'Re in good company, my friend.

Tyler (70:29)

If you're not asking questions. Yeah. If you're not asking questions and then you get shunned for asking questions, that's the problem.

Scott Sinister (70:35)

So. And. And it's not. It's not one of those things where it's like, you know, I'm.

Tyler (70:41)

I'm.

Scott Sinister (70:43)

How do I say this? I have to tiptoe around this because I don't, you know, now you don't really have to. Well, yeah, but the whole new thing now is like. Like I. I told my. I told my Discord. I was like, hey, this is. I used to hold real. I mean, I still hold really conservative values, but you can hold conservative values and be a Democrat. Like, conservative just means tradition. Conservative does not mean. It doesn't. It's not a political alignment. Right. But a lot of people get that mixed up. So just to clarify that. So I am very conservative. I grew up that way. And I, I still maintain that I voted for the first time this year. I am part of the crowd that is like the Jake Shields where I'm like, I kind of regret that. But that's just. That's just me.

Tyler (71:31)

I saw he was it. It's. It. It's. I mad respect for Jake Shields for breaking that barrier. I. I believe. I mean, we. He's. We have to phrase this because I don't want people. As soon as they hear words, they go, yeah, yeah, he's very opinionated about certain things and I. To have the balls to, to give it a. I don't. We might not. I might not even agree with him, but I, I really respect people that believe in something and they go and say it and they make people question things.

Scott Sinister (72:07)

Yeah. I, at this point, with my. Because I don't. I don't know if I'm really, like. I don't think Sinister is really getting any bigger in that sense, but I think I. I can be open about it, I guess. And I mean, my. Like I said, my Discord kind of generally knows where I, Where I stand. I've been open about it with at least my Discord crowd on that subject. Like, we literally have a. Like a little channel in my Discord called New World Order. So it's just all. All conspiratorial. No one really ever posts in there anymore. But we were for like a week where it was just like, just craziness. But yeah, I mean, I think everybody's pretty hip to.

Tyler (72:50)

Okay, wait, wait, can you guys. Can you guys see that?

Jimmy (72:52)

Yeah, I can hear it, but it's not me.

Tyler (72:55)

It's the Mossad. They're. They're in the chat.

Scott Sinister (72:58)

But, dude, don't even scare me like that, man. I legit. I was like, oh, no. Yeah.

Tyler (73:05)

I don't. I don't know. I've never had that before myself.

Scott Sinister (73:15)

I just. I just muted myself.

Tyler (73:19)

All right, so what we're going to do is process of elimination. We're going to. Mute.

Scott Sinister (73:26)

Is out.

Mike (73:28)

Tyler's got the pocket.

Scott Sinister (73:29)

Damn.

Jimmy (73:30)

I know what it is. It's the fan in the computer.

Mike (73:34)

Tyler's got the thing. It's that second phone he carries around, so.

Jimmy (73:39)

Dude. So, like, I mean, I really. First of all, it really sucks that you. I can tell, like, you. You're kind of not. You're very careful about how you. How you say what you say.

Mike (73:52)

And he has to.

Scott Sinister (73:53)

And. Yeah.

Jimmy (73:54)

And you have to be right. It sucks that you have to be. But you make a valid point, which is that the world that you live in, in the United States, you don't have a choice.

Scott Sinister (74:04)

Yeah. No, you. Yeah, you have to have an opinion for sure.

Jimmy (74:08)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (74:08)

It's like, it's impossible to not have some sort of opinion on what is currently going on. And anybody who tells you that, like, because they're trying to play. Play it safe, anybody who tells you that they don't have an opinion is lying.

Jimmy (74:23)

No, they're. I mean, I. I think if you were gonna give this show a color code, we would be like, reddish purple because there's a lot of, like, things that we look at. Yeah. That. I mean, dude, these two dudes were cops. I grew up. My. My granddad was politically right of a goddamn Attila the Hun, you know, like, that's how I grew up, you know, And I came from a military family, so. But here we just kind of do whatever the we want. It really, really sucks that you are in a position where you. Because of life, you've got to be very careful.

Scott Sinister (75:04)

I'll. I'll say this. I'll say this, and maybe this will. This will blow the. The door open for. For more elaborate conversation on this, but I have recently transcended the whole right versus left. And for me, democracy is an illusion. Democracy is an illusion. I think it's a lie. I think it's all social construct to get people to stay divided. I mean, how can I think you're.

Jimmy (75:30)

With the right group?

Scott Sinister (75:31)

How can we unite against the hidden hand, the powers that be, if everyone is so concerned about trivial right versus left?

Jimmy (75:40)

Here, here. I'm gonna give you my. I'm gonna give you my spill. I mean, we all, you know, you and. You and me and Tyler, we fought in the same war. Right. Is there a group of people that you know of that benefited most from the war in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Scott Sinister (75:54)

Oh, yeah, of course.

Jimmy (75:55)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (75:56)

Okay.

Jimmy (75:57)

Is it America?

Scott Sinister (75:58)

No.

Jimmy (75:59)

Is it the Iraqis or the Afghans?

Tyler (76:02)

Nope.

Jimmy (76:02)

Okay.

Scott Sinister (76:03)

Right. Yeah. Do they.

Jimmy (76:04)

Do they seem to have a lot of American equipment?

Scott Sinister (76:07)

100. Yeah. No, look, so America is a completely lobbied, like, for lack of better words, straight up hoed out country, like, we are getting hoed out. And yeah, it's, it's apparent. It's mainstream. Every political commentator is talking about. It's impossible not to hear about it. I don't, I don't even think it's a conspiracy anymore. I just kind of call myself that because people like labels. I personally don't, but, yeah, like I said, I don't.

Mike (76:35)

Ah.

Scott Sinister (76:37)

I don't know if this is really going to ruffle feathers with viewers or even with you guys, but I don't really believe in voting anymore. Like, that was the first and last time I will ever vote because I feel like it just doesn't. It doesn't matter.

Tyler (76:49)

I hear. I'm not, I'm not trying to advocate for one side or the other, but, I mean, you. If you, if you could try and tell me that Biden won the election against Trump, I. That's the most asinine thing I've ever seen in my life. They actually have video footage of people throwing away voting ballots. Like, that's. Oh, yeah, they try to explain there's a reason why they don't explain the electoral college to you when you're a young person in school, because even a young kid would go, so that doesn't make any sense.

Scott Sinister (77:18)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I think the, Like I said, I think the whole idea of democracy sounds good on paper, but there's, like I said, there's, there's that, there's that magical, hidden.

Jimmy (77:33)

I mean, you know, at the risk of being the nerd that I am, we're not a democracy. We never were a democracy by definitional republic.

Scott Sinister (77:43)

Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy (77:44)

A democracy is. Is the wolves voting on which sheep to eat?

Scott Sinister (77:48)

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Jimmy (77:51)

So we were supposed to be a constitutional republic by nature, and that's really what we lament now that we're not because of what you already said, which is that we have been lobbied into oblivion by spirit Special action groups, the biggest of which resides in a country in the Middle east that has a vested interest in us doing military operations around the world, which, again, but you were a grunt, so you, you got your cross rifles and your blue core, just like I did. Do you regret being an infantryman?

Scott Sinister (78:27)

That. That's a question that I've had to ask myself. And I've actually, I've had a couple conversations with some guys that I served with, and we were basically, like, reminiscing about those days and the reason why we joined and all that stuff. And like, man, I. I'll Never say that. I regret it because I learned a lot like you. You can't. You can't. What I learned in there can't be. It can't be bought. You know what I mean? And, like, the. The life lessons, too. And I think being deployed to a foreign country, whether you're in combat or out of combat, you just get to see stuff for what it really is instead of propaganda, you know what I mean? And granted, I was young, so I didn't really know how to process a lot of that stuff until now. I'm like, you know, well into my 30s. But do I regret it? No.

Jimmy (79:33)

But let me.

Scott Sinister (79:34)

Would I. Would I do it again? No, let me.

Jimmy (79:37)

Let me. Let me say it a different way. I mean, and. And because we had this conversation yesterday, and I'm curious how you feel, and you're not gonna. You know, I'm not gonna throw shade at you if you don't. Do you. Are you proud of being a grunt, like, when you walk through? Yeah.

Tyler (79:58)

Oh, yeah.

Scott Sinister (79:58)

Like, without a doubt. Dude, I got my blue cord in my. In my windshield mirror right now.

Tyler (80:04)

That's my.

Scott Sinister (80:05)

Yeah, I go everywhere with that thing.

Jimmy (80:08)

Is that.

Mike (80:09)

And.

Jimmy (80:09)

And here's the. Here's the thing, brother. Like, we. That was probably the hardest the. The four of us had ever worked in our life to earn something.

Scott Sinister (80:18)

Yeah.

Jimmy (80:19)

At that point, that was the hardest thing we had done. The first really hard thing we had ever done. And we earned it. We earned it. And no matter how you feel about how they used us, the. The fact that I proved that to myself and I'm with all these other guys who proved it, too, is massive in my mind.

Scott Sinister (80:41)

Yeah.

Mike (80:42)

And I'm.

Jimmy (80:43)

And I'm curious. You know, it. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm just romantic and, you know, I watch John Wayne movies.

Scott Sinister (80:48)

I don't know. Yeah. No, I mean, I think. I think that kind of is actually a thing. I mean, that's the reason why a lot of young boys even join the infantry specifically or join the military in general. Is there. There is this romantization, especially in the United States of war and, like, going to battle and defending your nation. And I think, especially in the 90s, like, at least when I was growing up, like, I grew up on, like, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, you know, so, like, I grew up on, I guess, like, masculine. And so naturally, I just kind of gravitated towards the next masculine thing that I could do, which is become a grunt, you know, and so. Yeah.

Jimmy (81:36)

But I mean, informs your music Too, right? Because, I mean, let's face it, you have a demographic for your music too.

Tyler (81:44)

Well, not violin players. I was going to share this. So when we were talking, it took me like five minutes to finally get into my computer. But it's things like this video I'm about to play. This is what being in the infantry taught me. First off, there's, you can't quit. I mean, I remember low crawling with sand in my eyes and my mouth with my head down, pushing five gallon water jugs like a hundred yards with grown men screaming at you. And you think, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die right here. And it's the worst thing imaginable, but it's things like this. Like this video right here.

Scott Sinister (82:31)

Hey, don't touch.

Tyler (82:33)

Let's go la.

Scott Sinister (82:34)

Yeah, yeah, Let's go. What we do. You got this. Let's go get. Go get.

Tyler (83:13)

That video. To me, that video to me says so much. I mean, just like the. The first off, that guy's running off gross motor skills and like 1% of his body like that. The way his hands were. He couldn't even move his hands like this. He's sucking and everybody surrounding him and pushing him. There's no. Not one ounce in that video. Is there some kind of person saying, you can give up, you can do a little bit less? It is. You will go until you die, and then we will put an IV in you and then we will get you across that finish line. And I really feel like if you take that video, as harsh and as extreme as that might be to somebody that is not in the military, I never won. It's that mindset that they teach you.

Mike (83:56)

That stuff and they said, don't touch him, don't touch him. He's gonna do it himself. He's gonna figure it out. He's gonna get in his brain and he's gonna get it done. And that is. And that's. That is a great video. To sum up, you know, why wouldn't you want a lot of people walking around with the ability to dig that deep and.

Jimmy (84:14)

And you know, and it informs your music now, right?

Scott Sinister (84:19)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely does. And it's actually, it's. It's kind of funny because I have a lot of, obviously a lot of fans that would never serve, could never even, like, think about even doing anything like that. But I've also. No, I've had fans enlist because of me. Like, they're like, dude, you are the reason why I'm going to a recruiter and enlisting And I'm like, wow, that's. That's. That's. I mean, that's really cool. Obviously, I think I. I don't know if my opinion really changes nowadays on that just because of, you know, geopolitical stuff. I think. I think if you're willing to be brave enough to, you know, do something like that, I guess step up and serve and say that you will, I think that says a lot about your character in general, and I think that there still is a lot of useful tools for life that you can get out of serving, especially if you. Especially if you're in the army. Infantry.

Jimmy (85:17)

Yeah. You know, my. My wife says this to me all the time. She says, I. I wish I. I wish you were as loyal to a lot of other things as you were to your buddies in the infantry. Because when I meet an infantry man, I'm like, okay, you're. You're everything else. You're a grunt. You're a grunt like me.

Scott Sinister (85:40)

And.

Jimmy (85:40)

And because there's so few of us out there.

Scott Sinister (85:42)

Yeah.

Jimmy (85:43)

That I. I sort of look at it as this, like, what Mike's. You know, to Mike's point, like, you proved you could do this, just like me. Everything else aside, when you go be an infantryman, you are already thinking about, like, I'm gonna have to go down range. I'm gonna have to think about killing people. I know I'm gonna.

Scott Sinister (86:04)

You.

Jimmy (86:04)

You have to mentally put yourself in that headspace of not maybe, you know, and Mike. Mike will tell you, like, he criticizes the cops that don't put themselves in that mindset. You don't have the choice as an infantryman.

Mike (86:19)

You have to think, you have to get there. And what that does the rest of your life, even if you come off track and you fall, you get down, you always have that to remember. Like, I'm thinking about it right now. I'm banged up when I see that video. It's like, I want to. Makes me angry that I can't go out and make myself suffer like that right now due to injury. But it. In my heart and soul, even at almost 50, it's like, I know I can do that. You take me right now, flick my knee, put me back out there. My mind will not let me quit. Like, I will die before I quit. And that mindset, to have, you know, in the right, with the right objective, to have a bunch of people walking around with that ability to dig deep and have their mind in that place is. Is good for society, and it's good for the the country. But you want to get used in to do bad things. It's just as bad. You know, it could go the wrong way.

Tyler (87:09)

And I mean, Scott, I mean, just like that, I mean, how many opportunities have been shut right in your face as an entrepreneur, as an artist, as somebody that the only person that is 100 making sure it works is you? There's nobody else. Nobody owns your business. You're not a contracted talent. It is you and you only. And it's just like, it's that mentality. Like how many times in this podcast alone has opportunities closed has hit. Really hit the fan. It was, you know, it was uphill battles and that never quit. I mean it sounds so corny, but that never quit mentality. You either have to fire me or kill me. And it really reflects on anything you.

Scott Sinister (87:51)

Do in life, you know. You know what? I would almost compare and I mean this is going to be a crazy comparison but. And not many people are really going to be able to relate. But, but I will say this, when every time I go on tour it almost, almost, almost there's an aspect of it that reminds me of deployment. And the reason being primarily is because like everyone thinks that touring is this like amazing thing. You get to go and, you know, see the United States and it's this great thing and it's like, yeah, but you know what? I'm rushing. Everywhere I go, I don't have time to sit and enjoy whatever this state has to offer. I see probably the shittiest part of it, you know, wherever the venue is. And yeah, no, it's, it's underneath the.

Tyler (88:39)

Railroad tracks outside of the outskirts of down down, dude.

Scott Sinister (88:42)

Literally. And it honestly, like, the truth about touring is like the, the biggest payoff is every night being able to perform for the fans and the crowds and all that. But dude, getting there and during the day, it sucks. It sucks. There's nothing amazing about it. It sucks. You're sleep deprived. Like depending on the time of year, sometimes it's freezing in certain parts of, of the US and there's nothing you can do about it. You just have to sit there and endure and it sucks. And this last tour actually that I was on with Ouija Mac was a summer tour. I, I don't really mind the heat so much, but I was a two man crew. Like, I've never toured two men. And so I had to drive, perform like, and all this stuff sounds like really, you know, oh, why are you complaining about that? But it's like, dude, it's performing for 30 minutes. It's. It's a lot. And then, like, getting off stage, I. I'm. There's. I don't have a tour manager, so I'm the one who has to go. And I gotta settle up every night and make sure I get paid and make sure to remember that I get paid, because sometimes that's been a thing where I'm like, oh, man, I totally forgot to collect my check for the night because I'm so tired after like, you know, 10 or 15 shows deep.

Tyler (90:01)

You know, you know the importance of that 30 minutes. If you don't. If you don't bang that 30 minutes and the whole night's pointless. I'm not trying to speak for you, but I'm like, talking like, anytime I go on a podcast or anytime we. We go live, we have X amount of time to perform the best we can. If we just go on and do it. We're wasting our time. Yeah, wasting our time. We're not improving any. We're not. Like, you have to go and you have to perform and you have to capture X percentage of people as supporters, listeners, and you only get 30 minutes, no matter how stressful. And me and Mike have done not extensively touring like you, but I mean, we've been on road trips and by the end of the road trip, but we're done, dude. No showers, eating, like stressful. Everything at home still, still going. You're not there and it's. Yeah, it's a nightmare.

Scott Sinister (91:00)

You know, it's. It's funny. I was on a tour in 2023 with a different artist, where I got to be on it was like, it was called a bandwagon. They basically have like eight bunks on either side or total, rather. And I thought that tour sleep wise was fine because, like, you get to sleep in route, but the shower situation, oh, my God. Sucked, dude. And then the other thing that sucked.

Jimmy (91:28)

Was you didn't shower on deployment. That sucks, bro.

Tyler (91:31)

Yeah, well.

Scott Sinister (91:32)

Well, yeah, I know, right? The laundry situation on that tour was rough too, because I had. I had to overpack for that tour. Probably like 20 days worth of clothing just because, like, I don't know when we're gonna, like, have time to stop at a laundromat or something. Granted, we had, like, days off and, you know, there were. There were times where we were able to stop at, like, a place that actually had, you know.

Tyler (91:59)

Oh, I remember that, dude. That's like offloading px.

Mike (92:02)

There's a PX right there. Here comes Bucky's.

Scott Sinister (92:06)

Yeah. Yeah, dude, yeah, yeah, that's. That's the whole big thing now is Bucky's.

Tyler (92:12)

But yeah, but yeah, no, see, the relation of touring and being on deployment, because on deployment, every. Every time there's a second of possible comfort or something that you haven't had in weeks, you'll almost, like, risk the risk to getting that is like, I'll risk this. Like.

Scott Sinister (92:31)

Yeah. And you know the other thing too, that this is. These are all just like, funny little things, dude. I totally. I'm spacing right now, man. I don't know what the.

Jimmy (92:43)

Well, you know what?

Tyler (92:44)

No, no, no, no, no.

Jimmy (92:45)

Scott, Scott, you're not. Yeah.

Tyler (92:46)

What you're doing.

Jimmy (92:47)

What you're doing right now is you're going back in your mind and you're. You're. You're thinking about things and. And you're thinking about employment, thinking about touring, and you're not spaced.

Scott Sinister (92:56)

Yeah, well, it's a lot all at once to have to, like, dig through my brain and like. Yeah, man, through this, dude, it's.

Jimmy (93:03)

I'm right there with you because as you're talking, I'm sitting here going back in my mind about, like. I remember that. I remember that.

Tyler (93:12)

What's. What. Do you have any new tours? And by the way, I put a comment for people at 12:45. I really want to open kind of like opportunities for people to ask you questions.

Scott Sinister (93:24)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

Tyler (93:25)

Anybody that wants to ask you anything. But what. How easy is it to get a tour versus. Or is it hard? And what are the planning and logistics? And what is. What is something that you're like, what makes it worth going on a tour? Like, if it's presented or the opportunities there. What are some things you consider before saying yes to.

Jimmy (93:46)

To it? That's a great question.

Scott Sinister (93:49)

So the first part. Is it hard? It depends on the genre, really, because it can be easy. I think it's easy for, like, bands to go on tour, usually even, like, because I have a buddy of mine from out here, him and his band, they tour, like, probably more often than I do. Granted, they're smaller tours, shorter runs, and probably, I don't think, to as many people. But I mean, I think it's easier just because there's other active bands that want to tour and a lot of people know a lot of. A lot of other people in different states. So it's, you know, friends of. Friends of friends are coming out to these really, really underground shows. So. But I think also if you have, like, a booking agent, this is like the biggest thing, regardless of the genre. If you have a booking agent, it can be easier depending on the agent that you're with. I had an agent. I don't have a U.S. agent anymore. But last year I did for that, that tour that I did with Ouija Mac, we had the same. We were under the same agency. So that that agency got to double dip.

Tyler (94:53)

Oh.

Scott Sinister (94:54)

But it was. It's pretty, it's pretty for my genre. It's hard because you definitely have to know people. And in this trap rap sort of genre, obviously it's. It's kind of falling in popularity right now because of the way social media is. Everything's like, like sort of niche related now. Niche related content pushing. So it's really, really hard now to actually go on a successful tour where there's going to be packed out shows like the one I did with Ouija Mac. A lot of that is just attributed to he's just that big and the Juggalo community is really just that strong for him. So. So shout out to him for that, for bringing me on. I have never toured. I've never done a headliner myself yet. I've. I've done headliners out here in Atlanta. That's about. So for me to go on a headliner, difficult. But if I were to. Sorry, sorry. I don't mean to keep it interrupting. If I were to go like the tours I've been on have been because someone else invited me basically. So they are kind of, they are kind of like, you got to know somebody.

Tyler (96:03)

What, when this last tour. The Summer in Hell tour. Yeah, when you went. Anytime that you are going to double down in something, you have to think. And when it was presented as the, you know, when it was presented to you or invited to you, was it a quick decision or, you know, like, okay, if, if I, no matter who it is, jugglers, whether or not you, you, a conservative guy brings you on with a huge massive audience, let's say, like Tom McDonald, if he was cool, he's like, hey, you know, hey. In front of a huge crowd. Right. But is it the best move for when you're done with that tour and you're back on your own? Is it the best move? What was that? What was the thought process? And when you got invited on the, the Ouija Mac tour.

Scott Sinister (96:57)

Instant. We talked about it prior to going. Yeah, we talked about it prior to even doing it. So we actually brought it to our agents and they were like, oh yeah, it's perfect. Set the whole thing up. Yeah, same thing with. I toured with this Other bigger artist named Harper in 2023. And that was like basically by invite and a total no brainer because, I mean, I was a one of three on that, so I was the opener for that tour. But he's like big enough to where that's worth it. And they were like bringing me on the bus. So a lot of like the logistical concerns of like, okay, am I gonna have to rent a car for this tour and stuff like that, like, those are, those are things that I would take into consideration. So in the case of Harper, I wasn't gonna have to do any of that. It was like literally. But you're going to be the lowest paid person on this tour at 2:50 a night. I mean, if it's all straight profit and I, you know, I get to sell merch and stuff like that and I don't have to pay a merch guy, it's, I mean that's a no brainer because it's just money. So money is kind of the common denominator here also in that, in that sort of decision making. It's like I. Not just money, we'll say profitability because there's like. For the Ouija Mac tour, I had to rent a vehicle. There was a ton of overhead costs. If I have to cover my own, you know, hotel or something like that. Like, I think, I mean, to give you, I'm just going to throw out some kind of arbitrary numbers here. But before I even left for the Ouija Mac tour, I had to, I think I spent like over three grand before I even left. And that, that's not even just like rent my car rental and hotels. Oh, I'm sorry. I think it was actually closer to like five grand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No touring. This is why a lot of artists like don't even, like sometimes don't even go on tour or they'll wait a long time before they go on tour. But Ouija had to spend more than that because his overhead expenses as a headliner are way more expensive. And like the stuff he tours with, he's bringing a full crew and everything. And those people are all. Everybody's paid, you know.

Tyler (99:06)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (99:07)

So they're like, they have like a, you know, daily rate or at least like they're at least getting paid at the very least the nights that they're working. So I mean it's, it's a lot. So, yeah, profitability is probably like the biggest factor in, you know, deciding whether you're going to take a tour or not. And I've definitely Shot a couple down. And then I would not Tour with Tom McDonald to finish that one. The money. The money would have to be like APAC lobbyist money for me to say yes to something like that.

Jimmy (99:40)

Can I. What? Okay, so I'm. Explain it to me like, I'm five. I'm the new guy here. Why would you not want to do.

Scott Sinister (99:47)

That with that gentleman, with Tom McDonald? Well, for starters, I think. I think he's a grifter. And I mean, this is just like. I mean, he doesn't care about what I say. So I can, I can say this. He doesn't care about me. I'm small, but I. Yeah, I just think he's a grifter. I don't think he actually believes. First of all, he's Canadian, so it's like you don't even live in the United States. Get the out of here.

Tyler (100:08)

Jumping on the bandwagon. Like, you know, to me, that's the other side of the spectrum. Like listening to Peters, Morgan or Jim Carrey or somebody on. Like, you're not from this country. Yeah, yeah. You're like telling people from outside of the country telling us how bad our country is. Like, I really. You're the one person I don't want to listen to. And it's the same of the other spectrum, like, telling me how great this country is. Like, I mean, I respect it. Thank you. But I mean, you were really grifting.

Scott Sinister (100:34)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing is, I think a lot of his stuff and this is really common, especially in like the rap world, from what I've seen is it's, it's very, it's like performative and it's, it's. Like I said, it's just, he's. He's totally grifting.

Jimmy (100:51)

Dude. There's. There's so many of them out there too.

Scott Sinister (100:54)

Yeah, yeah, 100.

Jimmy (100:56)

I once made a meme about it the other day. It's like, are you grifting a thirst trap or do you. Or do we politically align?

Scott Sinister (101:04)

Yeah, yeah. And like I said, I think the other thing too is if you. Once you, like in the. In recent months, like I said, I've kind of transcended the whole right versus left sort of thing. And so I, I definitely would not. Like, he's somebody who very. Is very, very much pushing that. That right wing sort of, I would dare I even say Fox News type of agenda. And it's like, dude, like, this is corny in a way, and corny.

Tyler (101:31)

It is.

Scott Sinister (101:31)

Yeah, it's super corny. And yeah, I just.

Tyler (101:34)

He grabs the Facebook population, you know, like the demographic that still keeps Facebook the number one platform out of all. Yeah, the Fox News people is like, when you can rap and just talk about, like, I don't know, it's like, he's talking. It's not good, but it's playing off of people's emotions. And yeah, that's a good song. Like, okay.

Scott Sinister (101:56)

And I mean, it's good for. It's good for social media because, I mean, social media right now, especially with Instagram reels, favors, you know, reactionary content, you know, so it's. It's great for that. So if that's what you want to do, then more power to you. But. And yeah, he might make a lot of money, but it's like, at what cost? You know what I mean? And for me, I'm coming back into this whole thing where I'm. I used to not be like this. Granted, if you listen to some of my music, I was talking about some very degenerate. But nowadays I'm coming back into artist integrity. I. I'm very, very much big on that. And I. Even the stuff that I'm rapping about in my music that I'm currently about to start releasing for 2026, it is a lot more focused and conscious. Like, I'm still talking like I usually do. That's like the. The sinister way. But it's. It's. It's not like. It's not the same trap rap I got, you know, smash three baby mamas and, you know, this dude's rapper or this dude's, you know, baby mama and all that kind of ignorant. It's not. It's not that kind of stuff anymore. You know, I heard that.

Tyler (103:11)

What were the lyrics I was listening to this morning? Like, it came at you so fast, you think I'd have eight hands or something like that?

Scott Sinister (103:19)

Oh, dude, that's enough.

Tyler (103:22)

My song seven Years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Scott Sinister (103:25)

I think that's called Unleashed. Yeah, but it's like a lot of the wordplay. A lot of the wordplay I've.

Tyler (103:31)

I've.

Scott Sinister (103:31)

I've done over the years has, like, gotten progressively better. And sometimes I do try to be like, tongue in cheek. I'll poke at both sides, you know? So, yeah, I mean, I just try to. I try to have fun with it because I don't really believe in the whole, like, I think the. The world is a stage, and I think US politics has kind of just become a joke now at this point. Unfortunately, if the World is a stage.

Jimmy (103:56)

Then perhaps it is the artist that need to, you know, point the spotlight at it, so to speak.

Scott Sinister (104:03)

Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (104:05)

So we got. Yeah, we got something. Kurt Vice, who's a. I don't. He was. When you play in the Tabernacle, Atlanta, do you make sure you have a clear exit route? That place is a tinderbox. I don't know what a tinder box.

Jimmy (104:18)

Is, but it's something that can burn down really fast.

Scott Sinister (104:21)

Yeah, I think he's. Yeah. And it's also just like, they have a ton of electronics in there and. Yeah, I mean, like, they. They have, like, backstage. Honestly, backstage at the Tabernacle is like a maze, dude. It's crazy. Like, I get lost in there. Like, that's how, like, big it is. There's, like, bridges that go in, like, different parts, different sides and sections of the, like, backstage area. It's crazy. But, yeah, I mean, there. There's, like. There is a clear path to get out of, like, once I'm done. So, I mean, there's. There's that.

Tyler (104:54)

Shane, he had a couple questions. Do you have any plans to actually reach out to any particular artists for collabs this year?

Scott Sinister (105:01)

No, unfortunately, like, I'm kind of just doing my own thing. I've done enough collabs over. Over the. The last. Like, this is my ninth year as Sinister, so, yeah, I'm kind of.

Jimmy (105:13)

Do you not like them or. Or is it just difficult logistically or.

Scott Sinister (105:18)

That's a. That's a good question. No, it's not that I don't like them. It's, I guess, in rap, and this is almost exclusively a rap thing. It. It is. It's very cutthroat and it's. It's not that. And I gotta go back to work and.

Tyler (105:34)

Sorry.

Scott Sinister (105:35)

So I'll give it back to you. Sorry. Yeah, it's. It's super cutthroat. And not a lot of people are looking out for each other's best interests. They're usually looking out for their own interests. And a lot of people are, like, stepping on each other. And I'm not about to be anybody's stepping stone unless it's, like, something that's mutually agreed upon. Like the whole, like, Me and Ouija Mac collab situation, like, there was. There was benefit in him on the digital. The digital side with, like, Spotify and all that kind of stuff, but. And, like, you know, reaching a different audience, like, digitally. But then for me, obviously, it was the Juggalo community.

Tyler (106:15)

I don't know.

Jimmy (106:15)

I'll Be honest with you. Like, I'm over here. Like, I don't know what the. That is. Like, and I consider my. I mean, like, I'm a mainstream metal guy. Like, I started out with, like, Metallica and on all of that stuff when I was a kid. I don't know what the Juggalo is. I don't know.

Scott Sinister (106:31)

Oh, man, that's crazy. I'm surprised because, like, a lot of. Pretty much almost everybody.

Tyler (106:35)

I mean, I'm surprised you're not a Juggalo, to be honest with you.

Scott Sinister (106:39)

Yeah, I'm surprised they're. They. No, it's. It's what they call the fans of Insane Clown Posse, which is branched off into, like, a. Like a huge.

Tyler (106:46)

Huge. It's a huge community.

Scott Sinister (106:48)

Yeah, it is very, very big.

Jimmy (106:50)

I. I appreciate Insane Clown Posse. There's some stuff I liked, but, like, music, to me is about mood, right?

Scott Sinister (107:00)

Yeah.

Jimmy (107:01)

Depending on what I'm doing dictates what I'm listening to. I'm not gonna listen to ICP if I'm sitting at the beach drinking a Mai Tai. Right.

Scott Sinister (107:11)

Like, some people, the jugglers would. And they definitely do do that.

Jimmy (107:16)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (107:17)

But I. You know. You know what keeps the.

Mike (107:19)

The.

Scott Sinister (107:19)

The juggler community so strong, dude, honestly, is the. The tribalism, you know, with, like, not only just being a Juggalo, but, like, the. The. I don't want to call it.

Tyler (107:32)

Like, know what I saw the other day? I mean, I. I do not know why this popped up in my Facebook. Yeah, it was a jug. It was a support. A sober support group for Juggalos. Like, they have support groups inside. There's. For people that are getting sober. Like, they have communities inside their community.

Scott Sinister (107:49)

Yeah, no, they. 100, dude. Like, dude, the community is crazy. The gathering of the Juggalos, the festival they have is watching truly, truly wild. It was what I thought it was, but there were a lot of things that I saw there that I didn't expect. Which stuff? Like, that people trying to, like, get sober. And then there's a lot of people in the juggle community that are like, you know, they're. They're family men. You know, they're trying to. When you look at stuff like this, it looks crazy. And honestly, it is that crazy. It's crazier than just, like, those photos, but there's a lot of normal people in. In the Juggalo world, if that makes sense.

Tyler (108:29)

Have you ever seen the episode of Workaholics?

Scott Sinister (108:31)

I. I've never watched Workaholics before.

Tyler (108:33)

Oh, my God. It's okay, never mind. But they go to the. It's just a regular. It's a.

Scott Sinister (108:38)

It's a. Oh, okay.

Tyler (108:40)

And they did. They go. Actually they film a whole episode there. But yeah. Shane also wants to know who does your artwork for your shirts.

Scott Sinister (108:47)

It varies. So it's been my wife recently with a couple of them. There's a Russian chick who in 2022 did the logo that you've probably most commonly seen on a lot of my merch. The one that. He's. The one that. The one that Mike and Tyler have on right now. She did that and she did. What shirt do you have on Tyler? You got the Shallow Grave one? Yeah, it's a Shallow Grave one. Yeah. So my wife did that design that Tyler's wearing right now. And then this Russian chick I used to work with who's done a handful of designs, did the God Slayer one that Mike has on right now.

Jimmy (109:25)

Both of them are dope, by the way.

Scott Sinister (109:27)

Yeah, I appreciate it, man. Yeah. And like, recently I've. I've kind of like the. I did this EP called War Life Death. I was working with this Indonesian artist. So it kind of just varies, you know, just. Just on what. Whatever. I'm trying to envision who I think would be a good fit.

Tyler (109:48)

Shane also asked. This is a great question story about the mask. And I. My personal question is, was this before. Honest answer. Were you rocking the. The mass that you had assuming custom made before? Alex the Terrible was popular.

Scott Sinister (110:01)

Alex Terrible was first, so.

Tyler (110:03)

Really?

Scott Sinister (110:04)

Yeah, yeah, he was first. So I. I like. I saw Slaughter to prevail in 2015 on their first time they were in the US which was summer slaughter 2015. And yeah, I remember it because I was like, holy, who is this band? Because they were so sick live. And I saw the mask and he was like, performing in it, and I was like, oh, this is before, obviously. Like, before I became sinister. I just gotten out of the army too, so I was like, kind of brainstorming on, like, you know, image and kind of like, stuff.

Tyler (110:35)

This Water to Prevail Didn't. Didn't really come around until, like, Covid, like, popularity wise, like.

Scott Sinister (110:40)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (110:42)

2020. 2021, maybe.

Scott Sinister (110:44)

Yeah, yeah. They were like. They were pretty new in 2015. I think that was like, their first year that they were, like, really active in doing stuff. But.

Jimmy (110:51)

Yeah, no.

Scott Sinister (110:52)

So I was on ebay and I was looking for, like, a mask because I really wanted it because I was just, you know, I was a fan and I still have the mask actually sitting up There, it's just like a Alex replica mask. But the guy who I got it from was in Russia. This is back when you could order stuff from Russia at the time. And I know, right? Actually, I think it was even. It was the. The Russia Ukraine war. So thanks to another president for letting that one happen. But anyways, yeah, Trump's not making it any better, but he made a lot of money.

Mike (111:26)

He made a lot of money off that war.

Scott Sinister (111:28)

Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy (111:29)

The military industrial complex is making tons of money.

Scott Sinister (111:31)

Oh, yeah. But anyways, yeah, so I. I got this and I. I was just having a casual conversation with the guy after I bought it, just through like ebay messages. And he was like, yeah, I do this for a living. I made Alex Terrible's mask. And I was like, what's it based on? Because I was like, I didn't really believe it at first. And he was like, it's based on. Ever heard the game Darksiders?

Tyler (111:53)

Yes.

Scott Sinister (111:54)

So there's a game, an old game on like PS2. PS. I think it was on PS3, actually. PS3 or PS4.

Jimmy (112:00)

Not old to me.

Scott Sinister (112:01)

Darksiders. Yeah. And like the first boss, I guess it's like modeled after. So if you go play the Darksiders game, look up Darksiders first boss on Google Images too, you could probably find it. But yeah, he based it on that. And I was like, oh, that's a fun fact that I don't think not a lot of people know. But then I kind of had the idea for my mask to base it on like a video game thing like he did. So there was an old. It's kind of a dead game now, but it's called Smite. And there's a demonic. Demonic pack Anubis skin for like. It's like a. It's what they call a moba. It's massive online battle arena game. I don't know, I'm sure people watching are probably familiar with that. It's kind of like Legends, League of Legends, if you. If you know, if you're familiar that. That type of game. But yeah, so Smite, though, their whole thing was like they had different gods and stuff like that in there. Like a pantheon of gods to pick from. Well, Anubis was one of them. And so this was like a skin that they had for him. And I just thought it looked badass. And I was like, can you make a mask of this? And he was like, yeah. And so I paid him. Not a lot, actually. It was very cheap, but I guess because my money was worth A lot in rubles. So over like a seventh, seven month long period, he like made the mask. I have pictures of it from like when it was being built or being, I guess formed because it was made out of like clay and then baked and formed again and all this kind of stuff. But yeah, it's kind of a trip to look back at some of that stuff now. But yeah, that's, that's the story behind that. And then I adopted it for Sinister because I got it before I even became Sinister. I just wanted just my own thing. And then I was like, I think I'm gonna use this, this mask. Like, I think it'd be really cool to incorporate. And then. So that's kind of the. Oh yeah.

Tyler (113:53)

Like.

Scott Sinister (113:53)

Yeah.

Tyler (113:53)

Is it custom?

Scott Sinister (113:55)

Yeah, but it fits my head because I think it's just like a standard size and it has like a, like an adjustable strap on it too. But. But yeah, I mean, like I can't perform with it because it's kind of big. So I usually just bring it on stage as like a, you know, image thing, like a brand.

Tyler (114:12)

Shane asks, any existing tracks you plan to shoot for videos for soon?

Scott Sinister (114:17)

Man, this is going to be really disappointing. But I think, I think I'm done shooting music videos. It's not, it's not profitable. I'm shooting short form content now. That's what everybody likes, that's what everybody watches. So that's what I gotta do. But music videos, man, it's expensive.

Tyler (114:36)

Yeah, it's like what, five grand a pop less.

Scott Sinister (114:39)

I could, I could get them for less than that. But Even, even like 1 to 2000, it's like, you know, like the last one I shot for Up Sin and Virtue, where I'm playing bass for a metal track, dude, like 2,500 bucks for that.

Tyler (114:52)

Which do you make it back in YouTube? No, like if you get 30,000 views, I guess it's only because like, if.

Scott Sinister (115:01)

You think about, if you think about everything, like the production of the song, like I have to pay somebody to actually like, yeah. Compose the song. So if you think about that, that puts me in the hole. The music video itself puts me in the hole. I mean you're talking by that point and then the, the mix of the song, that puts me in the hole, like almost four grand right there. So yeah, you know, and then the song on Spotify currently sitting at like maybe110,000, which is like a little over maybe around like 400 bucks roughly. So definitely, you know, profitability. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's If I'm gonna do something like that, it's gonna be because, like, I really love this song, and I really, like. I see the vision behind it, and I got some other people who also have a vision for it.

Jimmy (115:42)

So we can always go just play airsoft again.

Scott Sinister (115:47)

Yeah, I know, right? Yeah.

Tyler (115:50)

A Slater asks my question would be, does he enjoy Harry Mack in his style? Who's Harry Mack? I don't know.

Scott Sinister (115:56)

Hearing Mac is, oh, man, that sucks.

Tyler (115:59)

So we will. When we are done here, we will Google Harry Mac. Harry Mack. Yeah, man. And obviously, we want to know, just a quick question. Do you believe in the moon landing?

Mike (116:11)

Oh, yeah.

Scott Sinister (116:12)

You asked me that earlier. Oh, man.

Tyler (116:15)

It's actually one of the most fun topics to debate because it's not controversial and it's not political yet. Yeah.

Scott Sinister (116:21)

Yeah, dude. Honestly, I think it kind of. It, like, my version of what I'm about to tell you, I guess almost inadvertently, is somewhat political because I think. I think they lied about it. 100 and there's a. There's a video on it, so. Trust me, what I'm. My answer, which is, no, I don't. It is backed. It is backed. There is a lot of evidence to support the fact that it was or fabricated, at least the initial one. And we're talking, what, 1969, right?

Jimmy (116:54)

That's correct.

Scott Sinister (116:55)

Yeah. So, I mean, that was the space race of what, 1955. Russia had a whole bunch of first this, first that, and the United States was terrified that, like, oh, you know.

Jimmy (117:06)

Yeah.

Scott Sinister (117:06)

If they're able to. If they're gonna have. They're gonna be a nuclear superpower if they can get ICBMs, you know, into space before we can. So what? Oh, let's just fake a moon landing. That'll. That'll. That'll show them. That'll show Russia. That'll scare them off, you know, so. So in short, that's pretty much why I think they did what they did.

Jimmy (117:26)

I. Look, I. I like your. Your way better than the guy that I had to deal with the other day where I just got waterboarded with his. I got kidnapped by the CIA. That's how I know this is true.

Scott Sinister (117:40)

Oh, yeah. No, I mean, look, I would never like the stuff I believe in, man. I would never. Except for my dad. My dad's the only person who's. I will, like, do that too. Like, I will waterboard and be like, you will believe what I believe, dad. Until morale improves. Like, he's the only person I'll do that to. And even then it doesn't work. But yeah, for the most part, like, that's kind of why, like, I don't always share my personal beliefs and views and stuff, because I know that it doesn't really matter. Like, a lot of people will just, they'll either think I'm crazy or, you.

Jimmy (118:11)

Know, I, I, I, I genuinely love the conversation. Like, look, I don't agree with you. I, I think I could prove it. But the, the back and forth is fun, right? As soon as it starts losing being fun and it starts being like, you're gonna believe me because I'm, I'm really emotionally invested in you believing me.

Mike (118:33)

Yeah.

Jimmy (118:33)

And me being right, then it's not fun anymore.

Scott Sinister (118:36)

Yeah, yeah. That's another thing, what you just said, dude. I'm totally, like, not emotionally invested in what other people believe. Like, I literally don't care. And that extends, that extends so far as to this, this part right here where a lot of people think that I'm right wing because I'm military or whatever. And then this other crazy, preconceived notion stems off of that, which is like, if you're conservative, you probably don't like trans people. You probably don't like gay people and all this stuff. And it's like, look, some of my biggest fans are gay or trans or. Yeah, both to be funny. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, I, I literally don't care what walk of life you come from. I do not care.

Tyler (119:19)

I think the world would be a better place if, honestly, we just all didn't care about other people.

Jimmy (119:25)

I agree. I don't give a, you know, like, nothing could mean less to me than who you. But if you're gonna keep bashing me over the face with, like, I like other dudes, and it's like, like, okay, dude, I got it all right now.

Scott Sinister (119:41)

It's the same thing. It's the same thing where I'll use, I'll use this as like a kind of something to kind of contrast that with where, like, at least in my scene or it's a really common sentiment that people are like, don't push your Christianity on me. Yeah. It's like, and those same people will be like, advocating for, I want to be accepted for X, Y, and Z. It's like, okay, look, it's, it's the same argument. It's just about a different topic. You know, no one, no one wants to be forced to believe or, or accept, whatever.

Jimmy (120:15)

It's a logical fallacy. Right? It's, that's all it is. It's just, it's just an inability to use your critical thinking to go, I wouldn't want this person to do this to me, therefore, I won't do it to them.

Scott Sinister (120:26)

Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's.

Jimmy (120:29)

Go ahead.

Scott Sinister (120:29)

Like, the, the thing is, is, like, I, I honestly, truly believe that we can all coexist, regardless of whatever someone's into or whatever you believe. I don't think it needs to be as deep as, like, man, I'm gonna fight you, or I'm gonna kill you, because you don't believe in the same thing as me. It's like, whoa, dude. Like, that's just so crazy that people think that way.

Tyler (120:56)

Yep. That's the times we're living in now, dude. That's why you gotta have a broadcast in 2026. There's endless things to talk about.

Scott Sinister (121:02)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tyler (121:03)

Hey, Scott. So where can everybody find you?

Scott Sinister (121:07)

You can find me on Instagram. It's probably the place I live at the most. And Facebook nowadays, so Sinister official on Facebook and then at Sinister underscore on Instagram.

Tyler (121:18)

And he's got YouTube video. He's got videos for days going back like seven, eight years. So go check them out on YouTube as well. Dude. Thanks so much for coming, man. Have you. It's, it's so cool to see people just totally different walks of life and where they're at now. But you can go back to, we all, like, Jimmy always says we all crossed through that little thing on Fort Benning after that awful road marsh that took all night long and got our blue cords, so. Yeah, yeah. But it was great having you, a great conversation, and I hope all of our supporters continue to support you as well. And then we'll see you soon, man. I was, I was pressing that tour thing as like a kind of like when you're gonna come back to it.

Scott Sinister (121:59)

Yeah, yeah, I know. I, I, I'll put it to you this way. I'm not, I'm not touring at all this year. No tour this year because I'm making new stuff. So 2027, I'll probably hit the road again.

Tyler (122:10)

All right, everybody, well, we will be back tomorrow with the flagship broadcast, 11am we'll be talking about most likely ice and the crazy people that pick up flashbang hand grenades and, and all that good stuff. So we will see you tomorrow at 11 live on YouTube X and Facebook. Scott, thank you so much for joining us and we will talk soon.

Scott Sinister (122:30)

All right, take care, guys. Thanks for. Watching.

Tyler (122:55)

Jv team for life.