Friendsday w/SHERIFF DEREK SANDERS (02/18/2026)

Summary

The Antihero Broadcast – Friendsday w/SHERIFF DEREK SANDERS (02/18/2026)

Episode Overview

This “Friendsday” episode of The Antihero Broadcast, hosted by The Antihero Podcast, features a wide-ranging discussion for veterans, first responders, and blue-collar Americans. The centerpiece is a detailed, candid interview with Sheriff Derek Sanders, Thurston County, WA’s youngest-ever sheriff, who speaks on leadership, agency reform, community-police relations, use of force, and the realities of running for and holding office as a young cop. The hosts and Sheriff Sanders dive into transparency, accountability, navigating both community and political pressures, and setting new standards for law enforcement leadership.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Current Events & Culture Chatter (02:03–10:35)

• Pop culture banter: The hosts discuss recent tabloid stories (e.g., Shia LeBeouf’s troubles), viral fight videos, and the increasing challenges of discerning real from AI-generated content.

• Community conversations: Reflections on Patreon interaction and building an engaged, no-BS “for the boys” community, not fixated on war stories but shared working-class experiences.

• Internal agency politics: Insights on “admin nukes,” misuse of departmental vehicles, and the persistent gap between command staff behavior and frontline morale.

  “People are sick of hearing the budget crisis...then they watch command staff recklessly do whatever they want.” – Host (10:22)

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2. Viral Video Context & Introductions (11:43–15:32)

• Sheriff Sanders' rapid rise: Brief bio, emphasizing his age (originally elected at 29), proactive leadership, and the transformation of a previously struggling agency.
• The incident: Before Sanders joins, the hosts play and dissect a nationwide-viral video of a calm deputy facing intense, critical questioning from a school administrator during a routine collision report.
• Host reactions: Admiration for the deputy’s composure and anticipation of Sanders’ perspective.

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3. Interview with Sheriff Derek Sanders (15:32–57:42)

A. Background & Style (15:32–19:59)

• Leadership by example: Sanders continues to work patrol and make arrests as sheriff, underscoring his hands-on, visible approach.
• Election story: Elected in Washington's capital county (305,000 residents) after defeating a 12-year incumbent, driven by a desire for more effective leadership.
• Agency transformation: Jumpstarted staffing, pay, and facilities improvements, focusing on accountability and reform.

“There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t like working the road and don’t remember that’s exactly what I do all this for.”

— Sheriff Sanders (17:06)

B. Running for Office: Inside Story (19:00–25:47)

• Motivation: Initially, Sanders considered leaving policing, but seeing widespread apathy, he entered the race when no one else would.
• Loneliness & risk: Running against his boss alienated former friends; campaign years felt isolating.
• Community-first shift: Successful messaging focused on explaining value to the public, not just solving deputies’ problems.

“It was a very lonely year. I spent a lot of time just sitting in my car… Everyone wants to side with who they think is going to be the winner, and no one thought I was going to win.”

— Sheriff Sanders (24:54)

C. Bridging the "Admin vs. Deputies" Divide (25:59–32:13)

• Proximity as leadership: Sanders stresses the importance of leaders “showing up,” not hiding in the office, and building relationships through visibility on the job.
• Handling discipline and transparency: Publicly posts about terminations for misconduct, balancing accountability with morale.
• Pushback on oversight boards: Supportive locally if justified by scandal; otherwise advocates civilian “advisory” boards over punitive oversight boards.

“If you spend all of your time locked inside your office…that’s a pretty easy way to guarantee there’s going to be a rift. I don’t know how anyone can consider that leadership.”

— Sheriff Sanders (27:21)

D. Civilian Advisory Approach (32:25–34:17)

• Role of community boards: Explains differences between oversight boards and advisory boards. Sanders wants district-sourced panels to ride along, audit, give input on policy, and help bridge perception gaps.
• Mutual accountability: Recognizes that public power in policing is “borrowed” and needs constant attention to maintain trust.

E. Standing Up for Cops & Use of Force (34:19–42:50)

• Backing deputies: Relates defending deputies even in “ugly but lawful” incidents. Notably stood by a deputy whose foot was on a suspect’s head during a dangerous arson arrest, explaining the necessity and doctrine behind the tactic (Graham factors, defensive tactics).
• Honest about optics: Although lawful, Sanders acknowledges tactics may look bad to the public and welcomes feedback, but commits to transparent, truthful explanations.

“I think that’s an example…I try to be really overt when I think deputies are doing the right things for the right reasons.”

— Sheriff Sanders (39:21)

• Defensive tactics and optics: Cites Gracie method—sometimes head control is best practice, even if controversial. Importance of teaching techniques that work and look better.

F. Handling Power & Ego (43:34–47:47)

• Lessons in humility: A senior politician advised Sanders:

  "Your position is of the utmost importance. You are not.”

• Career planning: Sanders describes how opportunity more than ambition pushed him to leadership; still dreams of going back to “graveyard cop” work someday, but is open to further public service if needed.

G. Facing the Next Election & Agency Challenges (47:50–57:23)

• New challenger: His own union president is running against him, emblematic of ongoing labor tensions—acknowledged, not resented.
• Approach to discipline: Differentiates honest mistakes (“train, not fire”) from true misconduct (“terminate”).
• Viral video handling: When the aforementioned school confrontation video surfaced, he immediately recognized his deputy’s professionalism and issued formal commendation.
• Areas for self-improvement: Sanders wants to slow down after years of “150 mph” transformation, focus more on building relationships with jail and patrol staff, and prioritize time in the agency over constant community campaigning.

“When I took over…the second worst-staffed sheriff’s office in the entire state…What I’m hoping to really do in the next term is slow down a little bit...My goal now is really to spend more time with my employees.” (55:51)

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4. Aftermath, Reflection, and Real Talk (57:42–72:32)

A. Host Debrief

• The hosts agree: Sanders is impressively mature, humble, and pragmatic, especially given his age and the challenges of his liberal-leaning county.
• He’s lauded for visibility, willingness to engage tough criticism, and using social media effectively for transparency, which older leaders often avoid.

“He’s young enough to take advantage of the social media train...a lot of these older sheriffs or chiefs...they’re not in the social media generation.” – Host, reflecting on modern leadership (65:10)

B. Law Enforcement Culture & Diversity Debates

• Discussion shifts to broader topics: recruiting, specialty assignments, diversity targets and their consequences, and the realities of hands-on policing versus public image/PR roles.
• Some skepticism aired about “check the box” hires vs. operational competence, with hosts criticizing policies that move officers (especially women/minorities) into specialized or non-patrol roles too quickly, potentially undermining agency credibility and morale.

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Notable Quotes

• “Your position is of the utmost importance. You are not.”
  — Advice to Sanders from a senior Congressman (44:58)
• “People can see what happens. That’s never really been the problem...What people are just now starting to get, I feel like, is why.”
  — Sheriff Sanders (43:10)
• “At this point in my life, right here, right now, I’d like to continue being the sheriff…and if I weren’t the sheriff anymore, I would like to go back to being a graveyard cop.”
  — Sheriff Sanders (47:47)
• “Some people gotta be fired. That just is what it is. And also, really overtly supporting your staff when they do good work. If you can do both those things, I think the public is on board.”
  — Sheriff Sanders (29:49)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:03–10:35 – Current events, Patreon culture, and cop/admin disconnect banter
• 11:43–15:32 – Sanders intro, viral school video, and discussion
• 15:32–57:42 – Full interview with Sheriff Sanders. Agency reform, election, challenges, use of force, discipline, advisory boards, public relations, and leadership.
  • 25:59 – Admin vs. rank-and-file: leadership principles
  • 34:19 – Use of force, defending deputies, community optics
  • 43:34 – Ego, office, career trajectory
  • 55:51 – Self-critique and “slowing down” for relationships
• 57:42–72:32 – Host reaction, culture talk, diversity debates
• 72:32–end – Extended banter, listener interaction, and closing episode plugs

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Episode Tone

The conversation remains candid, irreverent, and direct, typical of the blue-collar/veteran milieu—no-nonsense, but consistently focused on honest critique, real-world leadership, and the human realities of law enforcement work.

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Takeaway: Sheriff Sanders represents a new breed of law enforcement leadership—young, visible, candid about mistakes, focused on community ties and rigorous internal standards. The episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of policing, honest leadership, and the actual work of transforming agencies from the ground up.

Transcript

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[C]

Dude, good morning.

[A]

Did you see Shiloh Le Bluff? Bluff got arrested again.

[C]

No.

[A]

It is all over the tabloids. So he went down to Bourbon street in New Orleans and this is like. So there's a video of him getting like, I don't want to say knocked out but like fighting. And he went down it. You can't find it anywhere, but it exists because there's still shots of it. But he goes, he gets drunk, he ends up at an establishment. Bouncers kick him out, he assaults somebody outside, he batters somebody outside. Misdemeanor. He leaves the scene and he comes back and he does it again. And I think that's where he got his, you know, he got hit, gets treated by an ambulance, taken to the hospital and then arrested at the hospital. I every, every tabloid keeps saying terrorizes and quotes Terrorized New Orleans. But I'm assuming that's probably like a. An array type thing. Like they have a statute that says something silly like terrorize.

[C]

Yeah, everybody got some different language or verbiage for something. Resisting arrest and called this in there, and that's called there. So there's another video of some black kid getting, like, smacked around. Did you see that one?

[A]

No, but hold on, I got it.

[C]

Okay, There's. There's.

[A]

There's a lot. Oh, yeah, yeah. Daniel. Daniel. It said he was Cormier's manager that got hit or hit the guy. Okay, so Daniel Cormier's manager is involved in some way. Okay, all right. I. I actually might have that, but let me see.

[C]

Share screen for those joining to see the sheriff. He'll be on in about 10 minutes. He's. He's got a trial today as well, so he's gonna squeeze us into his life. So we're gonna go over some of these current events and then have him on here shortly. Yeah, I saw the elbow as well. Yeah, he got it. He got it. I saw. But I'm again, AI, I'm scared. I'm like, I almost posted it. And I'm like, is this AI?

[A]

That's really the only video that there is. I mean, there's some other videos of him, like, with his shirt off, like, trying to challenge the crowd. I think the crappiest part about this is, is that he was going through all that years ago. He was doing that all the time, and he got sober and then he went on a bunch of podcasts and stated, you know, talked about God and talked about sobriety and the problems that come with alcohol and drugs and where he's at now. And, you know, he's obvious. He's a kind of a looney Tune anyways. I mean, he gets. He gets his body altered based on movies that he permanently altered based on movie roles. And he's one of those victims of the Disney Channel stuff when, you know, they were kids and probably. Probably molested and.

[C]

But whenever I think of him, I think of like that video of him at the stoplight, like, smoking weed, right? That's him in that video. He's like.

[B]

Or.

[A]

Say Jesus Christ, say it. Say his name. Or the video with him like this. That's. It's a meme.

[C]

So, yeah, you know, I think that whole. I mean, obviously now with the Epstein stuff coming out, that whole generation of Hollywood and those young kids and, you know, there's accusations about Bieber and all these celebrities and God knows What these kids were going through back then when they were. When they were young actors in that wonderful world of Hollywood and Scientology and the other religion.

[A]

But yeah, no, that's the. The. The knockout. Does look like there's a chance it could be AI. It was just. I saw it once, and usually when something like that happens, it. It's as you scroll, it's everywhere. So that would be the indicator. Let me see if I can't find it. I wish I had a real producer. I know Justin's listening. Justin's producing for us today. What? Okay, I say I. I wish in house, like a producer. But if you find that video, this dude getting knocked out because the way the video ends is that the big dude that hits him is walking out the door, and the little dude goes and starts punching him in the back and the video ends. Like, why would you end the video there?

[C]

I was concerned it was AI because there was two incidents with that kid in the same day. Like, he said, somebody's gonna smack him. And he gets smacked in one video at a different location. And then the dude I saw was like, you're the one that got smacked before. And he's like, yeah, ain't nobody else gonna smack me. And the dude destroys them. I'm like, is this going on? Like, how come nobody's getting arrested?

[A]

Yeah, I don't know if I'm. I can't remember who posted it. It was just on my timeline. There's sh. There's old Shiloh. That's another video. Cool. Justin's doing it.

[C]

Is he?

[A]

Yeah, that's Justin.

[C]

Not looking real well. Horrible.

[A]

Justin, you gotta click to exit full screen. Click to exit full screen.

[C]

Where's Lewis? Get Lewis back in here.

[A]

Oh, that's okay. I haven't seen this. That's him on the ground as he got. Yeah, they're holding him down, saying, stay down, stay down.

[C]

Two piece in that two piece combo, man.

[A]

But the guy's trying to hold him down. He did. He was trying to fight everybody. He was out of his mind.

[C]

He's not sober anymore.

[A]

No, that's the biggest letdown of it all. I'm not saying that a guy. You can't relapse and make a mistake by any means. I'm just saying it's like a. Kind of like a fan. It's a little. It's a little hard to see somebody.

[C]

I don't remember him. What was he in Disney?

[A]

Even Stevens.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

When he was a kid. I mean, I know you don't remember that because you Were already in the army when that show came out.

[C]

I had four kids jerk off. So I, I just remember that show. I want.

[B]

They're older than me.

[C]

I went, no, they're not. I went through that Disney phase. I just. I don't remember him. Maybe if I saw him. I remember, like, what about Saved by the Bell? You gotta remember that.

[A]

No, that was before my time, dude.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. All right, that's a lie. I'm lying. It wasn't before my time, but I don't. I didn't like the show. I gotta correct myself. I'm sitting here trying to sound like I'm not almost 40.

[C]

Had a great day in Patreon Tuesday, yesterday. All the boys were in there.

[A]

That was fun. We're building a race car.

[C]

That's an interesting message I sent you this morning. Right? Yeah, I, I interact. We interact with every Patreon member they join and all that. We always thank them for joining. And I send a message to a gentleman that joined Patreon again, paid. And I said, amen, thanks for joining Patreon. And he responded with, I got out of it because I was sick of the soft fanboy stuff because I was.

[A]

A member previously, but left because I was getting tired of hearing special ops war stories. Glad it's for the boys again. Didn't serve just a former prison guard, like. But that's literally the type of people that we are. That's the. Yeah. The type of community. So Jimmy would be like, don't you ever say that again.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[A]

I don't really have much other than.

[C]

My episode of Cobille drops at noon if you guys are interested after the show. Another admin nuke fired.

[A]

What? You're taking it to admin?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I got.

[A]

Dude, I got.

[C]

I got a. I might have to sheriff about this. When he comes on. We got a captain that uses his company vehicle to do whatever he wants, man. Go to the airport, two hours away, go to take his kids to school. And, you know, it's good for them but not good for everybody else. They think they're sneaky, but people are sick of it.

[A]

Clearly not that sneaky.

[C]

Well, there's, you know, people are sick of hearing the budget crisis and all the crying on the. On the meetings when they watch their. They watch command staff just recklessly do whatever they want.

[A]

I'm going to read the sheriff's bio real quick. Sheriff Derek Sanders served the citizens of Thurston county as a deputy for six years before securing an election win against the incumbent to become Thurston County's 24th sheriff. During his tenure as a deputy, he engaged in community service events, was awarded the medal of valor and two life savings awards, and a statistical top performer in proactive policing efforts. As sheriff, Sanders has worked with voters to increase staffing by 31%, led historic crime reduction efforts in 2024, helped deliver record pay increases for all of his staff, and secured a new headquarters building for the first time in nearly 50 years. Since 2023, Thurston county has gamerd national, garnered typo My Glasses on garnered national attention for being a highly proactive, community oriented police officet provides deputies with the best tech, ample training and trust to do the job they signed up for.

[C]

So I'll go back to how I first came in contact back in July, July of this year or July of 2025. I was getting a lot of messages about him. People were sending me his bio and some of the stuff.

[A]

Yeah, he's 28, right?

[C]

28, yeah. So I reached out and I said to him, people tell me you're a squared away sheriff. And he said, I appreciate that. We get our work done, hold ourselves accountable and have fun doing the job. Our community digs it for sure. And I said, well, there's not a good. That's good. There aren't many out there that do it right. So I applaud it. He said, thank you. So then I reached back out obviously last week to talk to him about coming on. So you know, he's very active. He got involved in messages and I received, you know, you talk, you know, I talk a lot of smack about admin, but I try to highlight the good as well. This was a guy that's a. Obviously a sheriff. I'd go after a lot of sheriffs, but I was told, hey, this guy's pretty squared away. You guys, you know, might want to talk to him.

[A]

So I here we are so. And obviously we have all seen this video. But just in case anybody has not seen this video before, we bring Sheriff Sanders on.

[C]

We'll just sparked it recently for people reaching out to me again.

[A]

And we're obviously going to keep our opinions to ourselves and very be very professional as the sheriff was himself. But this is the video that gained national attention. What am I doing here? Why are you here?

[C]

I was just doing a collision report, ma'.

[B]

Am.

[A]

Okay, okay. Are you guys going to be here much longer?

[C]

Until I'm done doing my, my job?

[A]

Because one of the teachers when I dropped off over there said y' all been circling since about 8.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, I'm just doing my job, so the quicker. Your job at the elementary school. Since about 8am I wasn't here. There was a collision here at the elementary school. You have a good day. I'm going to continue to do my job. You work for us and you're scaring these families. Okay. You should probably go do your job where your job lives, because I don't see that it needs to be right here all morning. I'm going to explain something.

[B]

The person that I was just working.

[A]

With left approximately five minutes ago. This was a collision report for them. I'm doing my job. Can you give them all their information? Can you maybe, like, for a second acknowledge that you could be a really upsetting site for people right now? I get it. I do, I get it. But, like, for us to be able to collaborate with y' all at all going forward, you're gonna have to show us some humanity. You're gonna have to show us that you understand the circumstances and the feelings that you evoke. Because, like, it would be so rad to feel like you're here for us. It would be so rad to feel like you guys get it and understand that you are actually the defending line between us and the fascism. But until, like, that's overt. Until that's overt, that you're part of our community. Well, ma', am, then I don't think you should be lingering.

[B]

Absolutely. All due respect, I'm not going to.

[A]

Continue to go back and forth.

[B]

I'm going to try to finish my job as fast as possible.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Keep in mind that you are cussing. We are in front of a school.

[A]

That is fair. Okay, I'll give you that. That's fair. Down.

[C]

I can leave.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, I'm not really, really not trying to bother you. Be thinking about these kids and these moms.

[B]

Look, I get it, ma'. Am.

[A]

You know what moms are going through right now, right? I do understand that, but let me just.

[B]

Please.

[C]

I'll get this out of the way.

[B]

And I'll be out of everyone's house.

[A]

I sure would appreciate that.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

You have a good rest of your day. Oh, man, I was getting flustered just listening.

[C]

I would have not been as nice.

[A]

You know, when you're, like, arguing with, like, your wife or something, you get really passionate about it and then you like. I was feeling myself get that way. That guy. Smooth like butter. But without further ado, Sheriff Sanders, everybody.

[B]

How you doing?

[A]

Hey, what's up, man?

[C]

How's it going?

[B]

I'm doing really good. Doing really good. Yeah, it's. That video's made its rounds, so.

[C]

So I know.

[A]

Objecting you to it one more time.

[C]

The sheriff is a working sheriff and actually has court at some point today, but he's still gracious enough to join us. You don't hear that very often that the actual sheriff of the county has court. What's that about?

[B]

I have court a lot. Yeah, I, I probably work patrol. I mean, during the daytime it's hard, obviously with all the meetings and whatnot, but at night time I usually try to get out once, twice, maybe up to three, four times a week just to see what's going on. And I do make arrests, so got to go to court.

[C]

So let's touch on that. What is it? So you run the jail, you run the, you're the, you're it, right? You run everything.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm the sheriff of Thurston county here in Washington. It's actually the capital county. So Olympia is the capital of Washington state. We have about 305,000 people in our county. So it's not a small county. It's the sixth largest county in our state. I got elected at 29 years old. I ran, I was a deputy for six years and was basically like, I don't really like how things are being done around here. So I ran against my boss. He was a 12 year incumbent and I beat him by 10 points. And then I'm kind of finishing up my first term here in office. And I'm also in charge of, you know, the jail civil patrol. We have a regional SWAT team that falls under the sheriff. So it's a big responsibility. It's a 67 million dollar budget and. Yeah, but there's not a, there's not a day that goes by that I don't like working the road and don't remember that. That's exactly what I do all this for.

[C]

So what, what is it like? So you're the, you're the boss, you walk into jail with an arrestee. What is that, what is that like? I mean, guys are looking at you, you're in charge of everything. Do I mean, they obviously treat you a little different or how does that go down when you come walking in the jail with it with an arrest?

[B]

Well, so the jail's interesting. So I, when I ran for sheriff, I did not have the support of the jail. They endorsed the incumbent and there was kind of the sentiment of like, you know, Sanders is bad. He's. He doesn't know what he's doing. He's 29 years old. He's going to ruin this place. And keep in mind, when I, when I ran for sheriff, the jail was basically shut down. It was only accepting a small sliver of crimes because of COVID and all that stuff. And one of my promises was, we're going to get out of this slump. We're going to go back to taking people to jail and having that authority to do that work. And so there was a lot of, I think, question marks for the jail. But since then, I feel like I've delivered for them. I've tried to. We gave them a record pay increase. You know, we bolstered staffing a little bit. We've given them new, new equipment and technology. So at first I think they were like, who's this dude bringing? I mean, you know, like the sheriff is bringing these people in. But now I feel like I have a good relationship with my, most of our correction staff. And it's interesting. Yeah, it's definitely interesting. And I will say on the patrol side, people seem to like it that, you know, the, the sheriff is out there with them. And you know, I don't, I don't really shy away from any of the 911 calls. It was funny. My first year in office, you know, we had this big pursuit thing going on in Washington state where we couldn't pursue vehicles. And I changed the policy to align with state law to let us Chase for DUIs. And you know, our deputies, you could tell they were nervous. They're like, well, you know, we just don't really chase cars anymore. And six days into the job, I'm in my class, a dress uniform on my way in and got into a pursuit with a dui. And we ended up capturing in my undersheriff or my, my chief at the time 40 him with a canine bite. And it was like, this is the tone that we're setting. If you're going to commit crime here, we're, we're going to get after it.

[C]

Beautiful. So you unseated a 12 year incumbent.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Okay. How, what do you think was the most important factor to come in as a deputy to be able to unseat a 12 year incumbent? What, what, what was your, what was your mindset and how do you think that happened? What do you, what, what did you do to make that happen?

[B]

Well, if you've been in law enforcement for any significant period of time, you know that a lot of your career comes down to timing. It's timing. A lot of it is timing. You know, it just so Happens that the one spot you wanted wasn't open. But, you know, a guy decided he had a better. A better opportunity somewhere and retired early, and it opens up for you. I think that was the same thing for me. There was the stars kind of aligned. There was a sense, I think, in Thurston county that things had gotten a little stale. And I say that in the sense that, you know, the. The sheriff that I, I ran against is the one that swore me in. So, you know, for a while there, I was enamored. Right, he swores you in. And then as you kind of get more seasoned in the work, your. Your eyes open up a little bit. You're kind of like. Like, we could do a lot of these things better. But I would say that one of the mindsets that I had going in that I definitely made the mistake of was when I first ran, I was really doing it for the people next to me. So it was the shoulder to shoulder. I didn't like how the deputies were being treated. We were having a mass exodus. We'd lost, I think, 12 deputies in six months somewhere in there, which at the time, that was about a third of our patrol division. So at that point in time, I was really doing it for the deputy next to me. And so I'm running this campaign and I'm telling the public how bad it is for us, you know, kind of the. The sob story, and it wasn't working very well. And then I had this epiphany that, you know, I can take care of my employees once I'm in office, but really the most important thing is to go explain to the community what I'm going to do for them. And once I had that epiphany, once I changed my mindset about really focusing on the community first, what I think their expectations are. Thurston county is very unique. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not oblivious to the politics here in Washington State and where I live, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to navigate. It's not impossible. The standards might be different. I would agree that the residents of Thurston county have much higher standards than maybe some other places in the country. Washington State as a whole has much higher standards in terms of we have a lot of training, we have a lot of expectations from lawmakers, but it's not impossible. I think that kind of gets to the sentiment of like, oh, you can't, you can't do anything there. And that's simply not true. The sheriff's office, we Chase cars, we put people in jail. We also show up to as many community events as possible. We try to get to know our people before we police them. So we. We've really put in the work, and as a result, we have, like, a really, really good relationship with our community.

[C]

Good, good. So one of the things. Oh, God.

[A]

Tyler, I was just gonna ask. What, you know, when you went and ran for sheriff, was that somebody. Was that people, like, you know, when you. When kind of like when any promotion process, we always say the best leaders are the ones that people have told you you should do it. And you're like, man, I don't know. I never really thought about it. Or was this something in you? Like, in order to make change? We always talk about it. You. You want better corporal, sergeants, lieutenants, yet the guy will sit there and cry about it, but never take the test. Was that something that you felt inside yourself?

[B]

So this was one of those scenarios where I never had any intention of running for sheriff or getting into politics at all. Just wanted to be a B cop, really wanted to be a canine handler, maybe join the SWAT team at some point in time. Like, that was my career path trajectory that I anticipated for myself when I felt that things were getting really stale. I had two options ahead of me. One, I could leave, which I started that process. I was about halfway done with my Texas peace officer certified through T coal to. To transfer down south. Because I'm like, this is just getting to be too much. And when all the police reform laws after the George Floyd killing happened, like, it just fell apart. Like, you could tell how shallow things were. Like, all we really relied on as an agency historically was the ability to do the work. And there wasn't much left when that was taken away from us. And so we saw that kind of exodus. So I actually was out looking for people to run. I said, hey, you know, hey, chief, you should run. Oh, no, I'm not going to run. Hey, you should run. And the one thing I got back from people was, I'm not going to run. But you do. Well. And I'm like, well, I'm. I'm 28. So. I'm 28 years old. Like, I don't need to be running for sheriff. And then it got to the point where, keep in mind, I told you, this is. This is the sixth largest county in Washington state's 305,000 people. No one ran against him. No one declared. And so at the last minute, I put my name in that.

[C]

So how far out from the election.

[B]

Oh, I declared in April, and then the election was in November.

[C]

You were in a crunch. Course at that point, if you're in.

[B]

The political world, you know, seven months ain't enough time.

[C]

No, usually it's two years. Usually everybody goes, like, two years out is when everybody announces. What did the client. How did your. How did the climate affect you in the building when you finally announced? Like, what was that like walking around there every day?

[B]

Oh, it was that. That was the toughest year of my life, probably. So that was in 2022. So I. I declare it. And at first, it's really cool. If you ever run for office of any kind, you'll find that it's got these big ebbs and flows. So at first it's really cool because, you know, deep down, people are like, yeah, this place is stale. Like, I would be interested to see what change could look like. But then, you know that cops hate change. They hate things staying the same. So we got into this immediate mode where, like, even some people who were my district partners, who I considered friends, they kind of distanced themselves from me. You know? Know, I'd pull up to roadside with them after a call and they'd be like, hey, man, I gotta. I gotta run by. Well, I gotta. I gotta go anywhere other than here.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Kind of this weird thing. My peng.

[C]

My penguins need to eat. I gotta go home and feed my penguins.

[A]

Like, I got.

[B]

And I think it kind of got to this point where people are like, you don't have a chance winning, and I don't want to be associated with you when you lose.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it was like. Okay, so it was. It was a very lonely year. It was a very lonely year. I spent a lot of time just sitting in my car by myself because here's the other thing I had to accept, too. And this was really hard for me. I really like proactive policing. I really like getting out after it and doing good police work and finding stuff that doesn't want to be found. Well, when you're running for sheriff, the first thing your campaign team will tell you, stop all that. Stop all that. Because if you go out here and you. You get into some crazy stuff, it's going to be used against you. So it was a hard. It was a hard year for me to sit back and kind of like, just handle the 911 calls and do the work. But that's not my style. That's. That's never been my energy level. So it was definitely a lonely year. And naturally, everyone wants to. To Side with who they think is going to be the winner. And no one thought I was going to win.

[C]

I bet you had a lot of friends in January of 23 though. I bet you had a lot of close friends around January that year.

[B]

Yeah, not so lonely after that.

[C]

Yeah, the circle grows real fast, huh?

[B]

It does, yeah.

[C]

One of the things I always get after, not if you follow anything I post on Cobb, I kind of get after admin. So I want to talk like overall, the nation, nationwide, the thing I get from guys is this massive disconnect between administration and the guys and there's like a wedge with command staff where it's, we're allowed to do this and we're going to tell you to do that. How do you encourage your command staff to minimize that disconnect and what do you do as an agency to keep that disconnect down so that there's not like these guys and these guys and it's one big separate group? And how do you keep it together?

[B]

Well, I don't want to pretend like I have this all figured out. So this is not coming from a place of expertise. We have our own issues at the sheriff's office just like every other agency does. We've had major, major rifts with our union, just disagreements on how discipline should be imposed and different things like that. But I, what I will say is I think what you really find in all of this is that your relationships are proximal, right? So the more time that you spend around a group of people, the more likely it is that they're going to like you and respect you and want to be around you. It's like a shift, right? So when you work in a shift on and police work, your, your team, but then the other team you might talk some crap about, you might not know them as well. You might see something in the pass on that makes you laugh and you're like, oh, those guys are dorks. But then if you wouldn't actually spend some time around them, your, your opinion would likely change. I think that's the same thing with admin and, and rank and file. Like if you spend all of your time locked inside your office, never talking to people. You know, you say you have an open door policy, but that door sure is closed often. If you're never out there in the field, if you never stop by your jail, if you never check on your people, that's a pretty easy way to guarantee there's going to be a rift. I just, I don't know how, how anyone can consider that leadership. And, you know, I've started to have the honor and the ability to go to some leadership classes, which is super cool. So some leader classes and some different things that I didn't have an opportunity to do as a deputy. And the first thing that clicked in my mind when I'm there is like, okay, it's really great that as the sheriff, I'm, I'm going to these classes. But like, how do we start getting our own rank and file people to these classes before they become formal leaders? Because it seems like something that we kick the can down the road. So I just think that getting people formal leadership classes so they understand the, how relationships are built and what influence actually is. And then also the ability to have your command staff go out and do things. You know, the chief of detectives is showing up to detective call outs. My patrol chief and I go to every single SWAT call out. We go to all of them. We go to all that stuff. And it's not even so much that I'm there directing traffic because these people know way more than I do. I'm not a SWAT operator, I'm not a SWAT expert, but I can stand by and say, what do you need? So I just think that some of the things like that are how you start to bridge that rift with the understanding that it is a labor, a labor relationship. So there are always going to be points in time where we disagree. As the sheriff, I would love to pay all my employees half a million dollars a year. It's not going to happen. That's not how that process works. So I try to control what I can control, which is the working conditions, the policies, the procedures, trying to do the things that actually encourage people to go out and get their jobs done. And then I have one more thought on that too, and that is that discipline is a big piece in law enforcement. The community has a very strong interest in discipline. The deputies have a very strong interest in discipline. One of the things that I think is interesting that I've caught on to as a trend around, around the country is a lot of cities and some sheriff's offices probably have these like voluntary police oversight boards. So they bring in these panels to kind of like oversee their police departments. In a lot of cases where there isn't even a pattern of abuse or, or corruption, they're just kind of proactively having these, these oversight panels. And here's what I think is really interesting about those. We've had a massive influx of laterals over the last couple years who want to come Work at the sheriff's office. And that's really great. To me, that's validating. At the same time, in this region right here, I fired more deputies and more employees than any other agency. And I publicly post it. I say, hey, so and so got a dui. We terminated them. So and so got arrested for a felony. They're terminated. They don't work here anymore. So we, we don't share their names. We're not trying to get people docs, but we do share that misconduct. And you kind of take your lashings in the comments section for a little bit. But then I watch all these police oversight boards. We know that there's misconduct that occurs in these agencies, and they don't. They don't even tell the public about it. And so I'm like, you guys are getting the worst of both worlds. You have this oversight board that's causing all this fear and discontent inside your agency. But then when people do mess up and they get fired, you still don't talk about. Talk about it. And so my whole thing is, I think you can really improve the morale of your deputies by holding people accountable. Yep, some people got to be fired. That just is what it is. And also, really overtly supporting your. Your staff when they do good work. Like, if you can do both those things, I think the public is on board. They're ready, like, they're. They're looking for that.

[C]

I. I did see some stuff looking at oversight. Are you a fan of. Of a civilian oversight board? How. What is your feeling about that?

[B]

It depends. I think that if you've got a department that's got, like, a long standing, you know, patterns and practices of corruption and abuse, then there's not really much alternative. I mean, we see these cities, these big cities that go through a new police chief every 12 months, and there's no stability. And at some point in time, I mean, you've got to get creative about how you're going to kind of like, rebuild that trust with the community. On the other hand, what I don't believe in is proactively bringing in a panel that's designed to critique and kind of like demoralize your staff when they're like, wait, wait, what did I do wrong again? I've been here for 13 years and don't have anything in my file. I've never seen anyone commit serious misconduct around here. And so we're in the process of doing a community advisory board, which is much different, as you know. But these oversight boards, they actually have authority. I mean, one of our local boards has the ability to basically weigh in on promotional stuff. I mean, it's, it's significant. It's, it's not just, you know, a Tuesday meeting where they're, they're drinking coffee and talking about the cops. It's significant. So, yeah, kind of, kind of in the middle on, on oversight boards and how effective they are.

[C]

Yeah, let's bring civilians in is always tough. And you're right, if it's an agency that's obviously got massive problems that everybody can see, I can see the need for it. But I guess what you're saying is if you're running a good agency and you feel like you're holding everybody accountable equally, you don't see a need to bring in civilians to police your agency?

[A]

No.

[B]

An advisory board makes a lot more sense in that. In that.

[C]

Explain that to us. What is your advisory board? What are they going to do?

[B]

So the advisory board is basically a panel and what we try to do is we're trying to set up the bylaws for it right now is that it'll be pulled from every district. So we have five patrol districts. That makes it pretty, pretty diverse across the county. And from that panel, basically they would, they would have unlimited access to ride alongs. They would get obviously tours. There's a potential to put them through like a civilian academy if we start that back up. So getting them competent in police work and then from there allowing them to be kind of the, the relationship between the community that I can't always get out to. So they would have the, the ability to weigh in with me about policy, about procedure. If they have questions about a call, some body cam footage that they saw and they want those answered, they would be able to then take that information and disperse it out to their, their own communities. Whether that's the business community, whether it's, you know, a group of marginalized people at a church who don't feel like they have kind of that nexus with law enforcement. So it's, to me it's just an ability to have a sounding board. And one of the things that's really hard about being the sheriff and it's just, it's tough. It's. Is that you don't know if you're doing a good job. You truly don't. Like, like Facebook likes don't count. Viral videos on Instagram don't count. What counts is whether or not the people right here in Thurston county are happy with the service they're being provided. And there's no report card for that. It's just if you run every. If you run again, you get to find out.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If you don't end up on Cobbill, you're doing somewhat. Okay. So let's, let's.

[B]

Okay. All right. Good, good.

[C]

I've got.

[A]

Oh, go ahead, Mike. I just have a question. So, you know, obviously we saw how you treated your, your deputies when. I mean, I don't even want. It was a routine call for service. Everybody probably can agree that he did not deserve the, the way he was talked to by a citizen. You standing up publicly is something that I just don't think we see a lot of. Even, even in a clear cut case that most people would say that that deputy did not deserve to be talked to you like that. A lot of leaders probably still wouldn't publicly stand up because somehow that's you siding with, you know, your guys. But as far as use of force goes or like here in Florida, technically we're allowed to smash your window with a baton and drag you out of it if you don't get out of your car. Technically, there's nothing the most policies state that you can do that however, it looks awful. It never looks good when you do that. I'm sure that will change throughout time. But as of right now in Florida and most policies, you're allowed to do that. So something of that nature that is not against policy, that is within policy, but looks really bad in the public eye. Maybe like we always say, like the public is to see their sausage being made. Would you still take a stance on defending a deputy that did nothing wrong and was. Was within policy? Because we see it all the time. That did look bad and we're looking into it. And then they'll go, you're good, you're good. Go back out to work. I'll handle the media. You know, and it's like you're not standing up for them. I just figured, I was, figured I'd asked if you, if you would do the same for proactive policing.

[B]

Yeah, so I, I actually just did the other day. It actually made national news. Surprisingly, one of our, our civil unit who does eventually evictions, went out and tried to evict this guy. He's clearly got a crisis mental health issue. He has destroyed the house. That's why he's being evicted. He won't come outside. We know he's inside. He ends up lighting the house on fire with himself inside of it. So house is going up in flames. You know, deputies are out at the street taking cover behind Their cars. Because if someone's willing to light the car on fire, it's safe to say they might. They might do some other crazy stuff. So he ends up coming outside. Deputies 40 him and they, they take a probably a 30 yard, 40 millimeter shot and hit him in the hands. He keeps walking. He goes to the backyard, arms himself with a machete. Deputies are doing a really good job of not compressing too much time. They're basically just, you know, kind of shadowing him around. He takes cover behind a tree, does this, that and the other. Anyways, they tase him with the taser 10, like 10 times. He falls down, he cuts it with the machete, cuts the wires off. They end up continuing to kind of, you know, rotate around him and he tries to run back to the front of the house. He gets tased again. He falls down in front of the house. Meanwhile, you've got this massive blaze going, right? I mean, massive blaze. You can tell it's hot by the video. And so they go over there and they get him to roll over after a minute. And as one of the, as one of our sergeants is trying to handcuff him, the. The fire is hot. So the other deputy has a. Has his rifle. And I can see what's going through his mind, right? Like, first of all, this flame is really hot. I mean, it's really hot. And secondly, if he kneels down with the rifle and this dude decides to fight, that's a bad place to be where he's got the butt of your. Or he's got the barrel of your rifle. And so what he does instead is he places his foot right on the back of the dude's head. So he's basically standing back. You can see him kind of like standing away from the flame. He's got his foot directly on the back of this dude's head. The dude's like, really? You're gonna put your foot. Foot on my head? And he's like, yep. And so the, the sergeant's trying to handcuff him. And then as this is going on, the sergeant can't get the handcuffs on because the flames are too hot in his face. And so one of the deputies next to him actually says, hey, get your foot off his head. So we kind of have like this, this forced intervention, if you will, right? Not that it's excessive force, but the deputy recognized, like, it's not a good look, right? When you're just standing on this dude's head and he's not like putting pressure on it. He's just like, don't move. Like, don't move. We're trying to get you handcuffed. You're next to this big ball of fire. One of our sergeants, he's like 6 foot 8, 300 pounds. He just drags this dude out to the road and handcuffs him. So they get them all handcuffed. And that, that obviously caught people's attention, especially in a place like Thurston County. They're like, I really didn't like the fact he put his foot on his head. And so I actually went back and forth in the comments and 100 defended him. I said, listen, I, I don't think that that was the prettiest thing in the world. And maybe there was a better alternative. I'm not, not disagreeing with that. But what I can do is go through the Graham factors with you really quick about the severity of the crime. Arson, first degree. It was a duplex. So he lit it on fire with someone else living next door. So you have the most serious class A felony that you can get in Washington state. You've got the, the attempt to flee out the backyard. He's actively armed with a machete. He's actively resisting. He's fighting through tasers. Now the stakes are really high because we're next to this giant fireball with trees catching on fire. And so after all of that, I, I, I was basically like, listen, I don't think this was excessive force. Do I think that maybe it could be done better? Sure. But in the grand scheme of things, when things are moving quick, this is not a scenario where we're going to discipline this deputy or, or request the prosecutor look into it. This is, this is doing business. And it's not always really pretty. You know, sometimes they get to see the sausage get made. So I think that's a, that's an example of, of, of another time. And I, I try to be really overt when I think deputies are doing the right things for the right reasons.

[C]

Yeah. And I, I think my wife brought this up when I was talking to her about it. You, you, I think you said something along the lines of we can both be right at the same time, even though it's not. Doesn't look great. Like, there is not, there's nothing wrong with putting your foot on somebody's head. Nothing wrong with it. If that's the scenario that it requires it. And there's going to be. Half the people hate it, hate it. It looks terrible. He's a tyrant. He's a, he's a, he's a terrible human. And the other people and go, stop resisting. You won't get a boot on the back of your head. But I think you navigated that very well, that just because you didn't like the way it looked doesn't mean that it's wrong.

[B]

Correct. Yeah. Well, and if you guys are familiar with a lot of the Gracie tactics stuff, that's a big piece of what they teach. A big piece of like the entire Gracie model is okay, when someone has a knife and it's under them, it's totally legal to just keep hitting them with a baton until they give it up. But if you want to do the things that look better and don't look excessive, we can actually teach you things that are more effective at subduing people and don't look like you're just absolutely beating them on the side of the road. And so that's, that's what I can appreciate about our defensive tactics guys is like, it's kind of that search for, like this never ending proof, perfection of how can we continue to do better. And as you know, in defensive tactics, controlling the head controls the body. So, yeah, a foot, maybe people don't like the look of it, but absolutely, we trained to pin people down, you know, by their head.

[C]

Because it wasn't hard to move your body. Yeah, I think it wasn't a knee.

[B]

Well, true. Yeah, great point. Right. Like, that's, that's a politicized move.

[C]

You would have had a tougher time at all navigating what you just said. If it was a knee, you would have been in a real, real storm. So. But yeah, I mean, I like that mindset, is that you have to be able to look at the community and say, hey, man, I'm sorry you didn't like what the guy did. And again, obviously not excessive, but I, I know you didn't like the way it looked, but this is why he did it. And that's where I think your civilians coming along and seeing some of that stuff firsthand. And the way you guys train where they can go back in the community and go, hey, look, he didn't, he wasn't trying to hurt the guy. This is what happened. And I've seen them in action or why they train that way. And that's where I, I like that idea of getting, not civilians to be able to adjust your policies or interject with a discipline, but be able to understand why you do things and then get that back out in the community, maybe on Facebook or some of those Comments to help you guys defend, like, hey, we weren't doing anything wrong, this is just how things happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A two way street. Right. So if that board came back and said we don't, we just think it's such a bad look that you guys should never put your foot on someone's head again unless it's deadly force scenario. And that's another piece of feedback that we should, we should consider. Right. I'm not saying that you have to take that and, and put it into policy, but I think that feedback is important. You know, at the end of the day, the power that we have from our civilians is borrowed. It is borrowed power. That's all it is. So to some degree we have to balance that. Like I'm going to tell you how you need to be policed, but also you should have some input on how you're policed as well. That's both those things can be true.

[C]

Yeah, you're right. All right, I agree.

[A]

And I, I would, I know from experience dealing with the media a lot on our platform, people like explanations. They'll come at you sideways a thousand percent and as soon as you explain why, they go, okay, thank you for explaining. Bye. Man, you could have just asked me all the time.

[B]

I say that all the time. Historically, people can see what happens. That's, that's never actually really been the problem. Dating all the way back to, you know, the 90s, there's been video recordings of police activity. What people are just now starting to get, I feel like, is why. And the department, to explain the why, are the ones who seem to build trust at a higher rate and maintain it.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[C]

So one of the things I noticed as well is when people take power, I saw it here locally where a sheriff took power and he's much older than you and it changed him when as you became a very powerful individual. What have you done to keep yourself grounded, that your position is important and it's not about your ego and it's not about, you know, you, what have you done and what do you tell yourself to make sure you stay in that lane of like I have to make sure I work for my deputies and the people.

[B]

So we have a, a lieutenant governor here in Washington state who I really admire. He's very moderate, he's very balanced, he takes a very pragmatic approach. He leads the civility and politics caucus in the, in the Capitol, which if you've watched politics at all in the last decade, you know that it's the furthest thing from civil. So I can really appreciate that, especially as someone who's very moderate. And he said something to me one time. I was. Well, actually I saw it in a speech first and then I had a chance to talk with him afterwards. He said that when he got into Congress, he was talking with a member of Congress who had been there for, you know, 30, 40 years. And this is a very prominent member in Congress, very well respected. And that member of Congress told him, when he was a brand new freshman in Congress, he said, there's one thing you need to really, really remember during your time here in office. And he said, your position is of the utmost importance. You are representing a fraction of the American people. That's a huge deal. You are. You are the national. You a national leader. Your position is the utmost importance. And you are not. You're not important. Your position's very important. Yeah, it's very important, but you are not.

[C]

And that.

[B]

That's what I needed to hear.

[A]

Would, if. If the pendulum ever swing back like we always talk about, Every cop always talks about it, the pendulum swinging back. But if it ever came back around and people were. Were interested in leading, you know, your county as sheriff and you, let's just say you'd done, you know, you've done enough for you, it was the experience. Would you ever go back to being a road dog, a proactive cop again? Or is this something that you would want to take on further into politics because of this, the change that you saw just for running for sheriff, Could. Could that go even higher? Or do you want to go eventually back down to getting dope in guns and warrants?

[B]

So funny. Funny. I'll keep the story going. So the lieutenant governor, he kind of became a little bit of a mentor for me because I. I'll be honest, I looked around at the law enforcement leadership landscape like you guys might have, and I thought, there's not much I want to be like, be honest that I had a real. It's not a disrespect thing. It's not it. But I just looked around and I'm like, I don't know. Like I know what I want to be and I don't know who to get it from. That. That I think that was like how my. My mindset was. So I had to find non law enforcement individuals. So Denny Hack is our lieutenant governor. He is someone who's held almost every position. And so I asked him, I said, you know, lieutenant Governor, I. Everywhere I go at this point, I have people saying, you need to run for governor. And, you know, that can be uplifting, that people think that you are kind of destined for more than the office of sheriff. I guess that's how you want to look at it. And I said, but all I want to do is police work. Like, all I want to do is support police work. I'm obsessed with finding better outcomes for police for both the officers involved and the people they're dealing with. And so I asked him, I'm like, when did you start getting like, these higher aspirations? And it was, it was hard for him to answer too, because it's just, it's. I think it goes back to that. It's more about the opportunity than the desire for a lot of good leaders. It's not that we wake up necessarily. And I'm not saying I'm a good leader, but it's not that you wake up necessarily and you're like, yeah, today is the day that I'm deciding I'm going to be, you know, the governor. It's usually opportunity. Something comes up that, that you just like, you know what, maybe this is a sign that I need to go do something else. With that being said, at this point in my life, right here, right now, I'd like to be, I'd like to continue being the sheriff, and if I weren't the sheriff anymore, I would like to go back to being a graveyard cop.

[A]

Either one or the other, baby.

[C]

Is anybody. Has anybody filed to run against you?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Somebody, you know? Yes. Somebody works for you?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, you get to, you get to be on the other side of that?

[B]

Yeah, I get to be on the other side of it. And it's all good. I don't have any, any hard feelings. It's a democratic process. So anyone who else gets to throw their name in the hat and yeah, it'll be an interesting deal because he's my union president and like I said, there's labor issues. Right. And there's disagreements on how discipline should be handled. And I, I say that in the most interesting way because we've been really, our discipline model has been that if you commit, like to me, there's a difference between making an on duty job mistake and committing misconduct. Like, those aren't the same thing to me. Like, if you crash a car.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

In a pursuit, to me that's, that's different. I mean, hopefully, you know, no one's hurt, but if you curb your, your wheel and break your rim off during a pursuit, that's a lot different than stealing from the evidence room. Like, those are two different things, you know. And so for the people who go down, like the I'm gonna steal, I'm gonna lie, I'm gonna cheat, like I just, we just fire them. For the people who have gotten into car crashes and have made mistakes and, you know, left the PBT on the trunk of the car and you know, those types of things, we have been almost non existent on discipline. We have taken a training approach. So those individuals just get more training and. Yeah, okay. If you continue to stack up cars, like we all have an expectation that you're not getting a new car every week. So it's been interesting to kind of go through that labor process of discipline because I was always just the deputy on the other side of that. And so jumping directly into the management side of things has been, has been pretty, pretty interesting.

[C]

Without putting you too much on the spot, was your relationship with that person, okay. Before you became sheriff?

[B]

Well, that individual has only been with us for four years.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, so he, he, he. And he got hired on. He was a cop for maybe a year, so he got hired on right when I was running.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So yeah, but he, he was really, he, he really liked the former sheriff. So it's not like all these things make sense. At the end of the day, it's not anything too crazy.

[A]

I know you got court and all, and I really appreciate your time. But I did want to ask you, the, the video, when it, when that viral video, when it, when it, when it surfaced and you first saw it, did you know how you were going to approach it? Or did it take some like digging in yourself to kind of be like this, I need to do this. This is the right thing to do. Or were you like, man, this is, this is bs.

[B]

No, this one was easy. Yeah, this was super easy. So the story is that the night, the night, so the day it happened, that night, I got a DM from someone on Instagram and they just basically said like, FYI or something like that. And people send me stuff all the time. It's by sheer happenstance that I even clicked on it because I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of messages. And so I look at it and I'm like, oh, it's. It's Deputy Amino. I just swore that guy in. And I'm watching it and I'm like, oh, wow, this is, this is interesting. And I'm waiting for him to like, do the thing right? To like, yeah, yeah, disrespectful thing, you know, because I can like. It was irritating me a little bit of Just like, okay, like, I get the concern. I. I will. I will fold. I will understand the initial concern of, like, hey, is everything okay? I see you're parked in front of the school. Is it safe to go in? Are my kids okay? Like, that part I'm all good with. Once you get your explanation that he's there for a collision report, like, now's the time to just go about your day. And so he did a really good job. And it was just shared to her profile at that point that I could see. So I left it alone. I was like, yep. I made a note to myself in my notes to put a letter of commendation in his file because, you know, he did a great job.

[A]

That was it.

[B]

I was done. I was. I was all over it. I was like, that's pretty funny. I sent it to a friend, and I went to bed, woke up the next morning, and was like, oh, I see. Okay, this is. This has gone nuclear. It's gone nationwide. And so that's when I decided to put my. Our own explanation out so that people weren't confused about kind of what that. What that interaction was. And, yeah, no, for me, it was very. The outcome of that was very easy to decide, though. Just put the letter in his file.

[A]

Done beautifully.

[C]

What time much time do you have, Sheriff? I don't want to keep you too long.

[B]

Six minutes.

[C]

Exactly. What kind of case you got today? What are you going to court for?

[B]

So in 2023, I'd just been elected. I was out working the road on a Saturday. I had just made an arrest. One of my deputies transported for me, and I was over here kind of in the area of my home. And so I was on my way home to grab some lunch when a vehicle pulling a junk trailer pulled out in front of me, failed to yield the right away, and I swerved to miss the driver to not hit him broadside, and I hit his junk trailer and got knocked unconscious and airlifted to the hospital. So he ended up being high on methamphetamine. And so I now have trial for that today, two years later. So three years later.

[C]

Yeah, that seems like a long, long process there, Mike.

[A]

Mike wants to know why you're not wearing your vest.

[B]

So. I am not wearing my vest because I. Like I said, I am in my driveway right now getting ready to go back in.

[C]

We're gonna put it on before you leave, right?

[A]

You're gonna put it on before you leave, right.

[C]

All right. The best goes on under there. If you got two more minutes. There was a bunch of layoffs. I'm gonna give you a little bit. What do you think is, if going into this next election, what do you think do you need to most improve on for yourself to make the agency better? What would be if somebody said, hey, you know, you've been here four years. What do you need to do for yourself to make this place a better place? And why should you win the reelection?

[B]

So I talked earlier about how. So leadership is influence. It's your ability to influence others. And your ability to influence others has everything to do with your relationship with them. So that's kind of how I look at leadership through that. That kind of like that tiered system. So you have your overarching leadership. You have the influence that you're able to spend and get people to do things that you need them to do. Not order them, but get them to want to do things. And then that's ultimately really dictated by your capacity for relationships with them. So, you know, the people that I've never met in my agency, which there could be, it's a big agency, they're less likely to do things because they believe in me and more likely to do things because they're being told to do them. Whereas the people who have spent time around me may be more likely, more inclined to be influenced by the things that I'm saying, the vision that I have. One of the things that's been unfortunate. So to give you just some context, in the last four minutes, when I took over the sheriff's office in 2023, we had the second worst staff sheriff's office in the entire state of Washington. We were sitting at about 0.56 deputies per 1,000 citizens. If you know anything about kind of the. The per capita ratio, the. The state average in Washington is 1.3. The national average is 2.3, and Washington is dead last in the country. So you're basically dealing. You're taking over the sheriff's office. That's the worst staff in the worst state. Additionally, we were the lowest paid in the area. We don't have our own police headquarters. We are basically just hodgepodged across the county. Our fleet was falling apart. I mean, everything. It was. It was kind of one of those things where it was like, I took office and I'm like, wow, if I just get one of these things done, then we've improved. We've improved.

[C]

One guy. One guy. We're fine. Yeah.

[B]

And so my first year in office, I met with my county commissioners who were super supportive, and they said, hey, listen, we know that everything's terrible, there's no money. So if you want, we will put a ballot measure on the November ballot for you for funding, but you're gonna have to go out and get it. So my second year, my first year in office, I went right from campaigning for myself to campaigning for the agency. And so we ended up passing a public safety sense sales tax, generating about $7 million a year for the sheriff's office. With that, we purchased 33 new FTEs deputy support staff. We purchased new building Axon body cameras, tasers. We revamped our entire fleet. We, we've done all those things and it has been non stop 150 miles an hour for the last three years. What I'm hoping to really do in the next term is slow down a little bit. We don't, we don't have to go under 100, but we don't have to go 150. My, my goal really, and you'll, you'll hear the criticisms inside the agency is we don't ever see the sheriff. And I'm like, that's because I'm out in the community trying to build you support. I'm trying to meet with county commissioners and city electeds to, to rally people to say, hey, we really should care about how poorly staffed our law enforcement is in the state. Like those are the things I've been really working on. Now that some of those issues are smoothing over, my goal now is really to spend more time with my employees support staff. I only get to the jail maybe once a week. It'd be cool to get there a little more often.

[A]

That's more than most, pops.

[C]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

But you know, those are some of the things that I would like to be able to do is build some, some stronger relationships with my own staff. It's just when you're, when you're going this fast and everything needs to be be fixed all at once, you just. There's only 24 hours in a day.

[C]

Yeah, well, I, I commend you for coming on. I, obviously the page takes a lot of shot at administration. I talk a lot of junk, but I've always encouraged people to come have a conversation. I hope this shows other administrations will Absolutely listen. We'll, we'll let you talk. And Sheriff, I, I greatly appreciate you coming on.

[B]

Absolutely. Happy to come on whenever.

[A]

So thank you. Thank you.

[C]

All right, see you guys.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Be safe.

[C]

Put your vest on.

[A]

I thought Efren with Efron noticed. As soon as he came, I was.

[C]

I had the question. So I was paying more attention to the questions in the comments. But yeah, he's.

[A]

I'll give it to him.

[C]

He's in his. There was a mix up on actually on AM versus pm. I assumed AM and he thought I meant pm. But he was still able to fit us in before court. So that all worked out. But yeah, he will. He always wear. Actually you go to his page, you'll see him in his vest. All the times he's always got.

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[C]

Yeah.

[A]

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[C]

So I went, My wife was very interested in this one, obviously being admin. So on the break, I asked how, how it went. She said, I would have done better, but you did okay.

[A]

What are they confrontational, man?

[C]

No, she's great. She actually helped a lot of the questions because, you know, I get, I, I, you know, more comedy for me. I'm, you know, I'd be cutting it up. But I think a lot of those questions I asked were generated by her, who's still in law enforcement, has a vested interest. But I think overall, I mean, that dude's pretty squared away, man. Like, I, I would, I would think walking. And I don't know him other than what I see on the Internet. So I don't work there, but based on my career, he seems like somebody I'd want to walk up to and be like, hey man, like, let's get at it.

[A]

Well, first off, you know, he's fighting an uphill battle as a young sheriff. No, I guarantee you when he tells somebody to do something, it's kind of like, I mean, we all deal with it. You're, you're the young squad leader, you're the young sergeant. You know, I don't want, like, hey man, I get it, I get it, all right? But I'm telling you to do something. Oh, okay. Like older than you. You wouldn't be doing this but for his age.

[C]

Very mature. His answers are very mature. Way beyond me at 28 I was a disaster.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah, I was thinking about that this morning. 28 years old.

[C]

I just got 28. I just got divorced the first time from. I was a mess. I was a disaster.

[A]

You would have been one of those corrupt sheriffs.

[C]

I was already corrupt. That's why I was investigated, man. I was already, I was mid. Drinking and acting crazy at that point. So there's no. I couldn't even barely work a zone at 28, let alone be the sheriff. But I mean, you know, you got to take it. Obviously it's his story and. But my initial assessment is I would think I'd want to work with him.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[C]

Tough area. I mean to even be that, that aggressive enough to come on and talk with that climate out there and a lot of the anti police stuff was out in that area. So I, I mean you gotta think too.

[A]

He took a, he took a, a leap of faith coming on our show.

[C]

Yeah. He had no idea he. Other than like I said July, we went back and forth a few times and I think I took a shot at him once in my story. I couldn't find it and I mentioned it and he didn't know about it. So I didn't re, I didn't rehash it. I think I took a shot at him one time on my story for his kit setup.

[A]

I mean, I don't know. He didn't have like we always say he didn't have to come on here. You know. How many residents of Thurston County, Washington do you think watch this show?

[C]

No resident. Well, there's some people though like when I mentioned to some people he gets sent to me quite often. So there's people that definitely are interested on Cottville that want to hear about him. Yeah, there's no. Karen isn't watching.

[A]

It's not like we're a thirst in a public broadcast channel where he's going to be able to reach like half of his no constituents. You know, he came on here but you know, maybe he'll get some good lateral transfers or maybe he'll get some good, you know, social. But the cool thing about him being young dude is that he's young enough to take advantage of the social media train because a lot of these older sheriffs or older chiefs, it's not their fault, they're just, they're not in the social media generation so they have to hire a social media person and if that person sucks at what they're doing because we've seen it People will say, I'm a social media person. And you're like, you're the worst social media person. If they don't give somebody good, then they kind of fall off that or they become that agency.

[C]

That's a laughing stock of that comment right there. I was going to get into it, but we didn't have time. There was. He did take a pretty strong stance against the ICE shooting. He didn't, he didn't, he didn't like ISIS shooting in that Renee Good case, which the other sheriff, I think, that he's talking about actually was like, I'm glad she's dead. Like, so it was like. I think there was some back and forth about that, but I think his mentality as a leader and as a guy that's willing to come on a podcast and talk is very important because that starts that accountability and transparency where a lot of these. My sheriff won't even walk out of the building. He's a coward. He would never get on a show. And then like you've always said, if guys would just go on Mike's show, if an admin would get on there, they, you know, it would make their agency go, hey, this dude went on cop Bill. This guy was willing to talk. Can't.

[A]

Came on to laugh it off. You got it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, yeah, we were in the right.

[C]

My gun's on upside down. You got me like up and tell.

[A]

You to find it.

[C]

Like, I'd be like, fine, yeah, like the highlights magazine. Like, find the error. But, you know, when I say you're out of touch, like, one of my themes is they're out of touch. Like, this guy is he, he got it. He's figured it out. You're right. He walked in, he had no idea we could have on him. He had no idea what was coming. But he sat in his driveway, got on the phone and, and, you know, we pushed him a little bit, we asked him some questions. Well spoken dude. And I would like. I said I would work for that dude. Just on that conversation, I'll be like, I'd work with this guy. I'd go to the jail with this guy, going to call with this guy. I'd want to work with him. And that's, that's what I'm looking for. These other guys, like, dude, you see these we post and they're like, they're so out of, so out of touch. And they think they're so special, they don't have the time to talk to people.

[A]

I wonder where he got his Funding from.

[C]

Yeah, you're right. 300, 000.

[A]

I don't know. And I don't know what's. What's polite to ask. Like, I was. I was gonna crack a joke at like, what'd you do with your pay bump? But I'm like, that's somebody's salary. You don't ask that.

[C]

But I can go back and there's. We could actually dig into the election if we want to. Like, I'm keeping on this next one and see how it goes. They're public. You have to have to report. So you'd be able to see how much he raised, where it comes from. That's all public representation record.

[A]

So you only had like, what, seven months to.

[C]

Yeah. April, November.

[A]

That's the. I mean, they must have really not liked that sheriff.

[C]

That's the way to do it, though, because had he have done it, I watched it happen here locally. Like, the guy that ran against our sheriff announced like two years early. That's a nightmare. They transferred this dude. They put him in an ia. They moved him from division to division. They tried to tell him he wasn't allowed to go. He's a school resource captain. They tried to tell him he wasn't allowed to go to school events in his uniform. Like, what are you nuts? I'm a goddamn cop. Like, they tried to keep him from going to football games on Friday night where his entire staff is, like, protecting the football game. You can't wear your uniform there. He's like, you've lost your mind. Like, I'm a captain. They tried to keep him away from the uniform, away from the spotlight under any circumstances to ruin his opportunity. So I'm sure it was not very fun for him for those eight months.

[A]

I was gonna say, man, they can. I mean, can you imagine the eggshells you walk on for that long? Like, just the wrong call. That sheriff's just waiting to fire you.

[C]

Waiting to social media, his avl, his emails, his court. Missed court. Like, anything, anything.

[A]

We can fire this guy and make him. And make his character bad. But I commend him. Dude, that's a hard spot to be in, running against your sheriff. I mean, you did that. Is that. Was that your scenario or you were. You supported the sheriff?

[C]

Supported. I would have supported him when he ran four years ago.

[A]

Yeah, Okay.

[B]

I would.

[C]

I. We supported another candidate that worked in the sheriff's office, and I watched it. I got transferred for it, you know, Ruined my life. I watched it unfold. You know, it's. It's Ugly. It's ugly. And they, it sounds like they have a bigger agency. Obviously their population is about 100,000, almost double my area. So that's a lot of pressure, man. And then you're in a liberal part of the country. You got to be careful how rah rah you get about what you're gonna do. You can't be out there going, we're gonna pit them all. We're gonna knock people. Like, you got to navigate that climate out there as well.

[A]

So yeah, if you're too much on that side, you won't, you won't, I mean, and be successful. I don't think.

[C]

I really like that he supported the guy with the foot on the head, man. Like, it's not the greatest thing to look at, but you gotta control his head. Yeah, you don't step on. But I, I really respect that he could articulate that and say, look, suck it up. It didn't look great, but it is what it is.

[A]

Well, I mean, you look at it like a lot of. And I understand why people have social media people, because it's social media going through and replying in comments, that's, that takes up so much time. That's, that's a lot of time of your day that you'd be out on the road, you'd be doing meetings and you're having to sit on Instagram and reply to these people. But that's the new age of like, no one watches those Sheriff on Channel 6 anymore at 6 on the 6 o' clock news. Like that's not a thing you get out to the people through social media. And I can only imagine trying to be a sheriff and also like keeping up in the comments.

[C]

I respect him. He answered me back in July. I sent him one message, he responded just some meme page and he interacted and we went back and forth and I mean, that's the right way to do it. I think he's hitting the right area by being involved in social media. And nowadays that's just as important as your performance. Like you could, you know, you got to interact with the community at this point because social media itself is all about transparency and interaction. So he's pretty active on there, which I commend. Like, I really enjoy that type of leadership. That doesn't mind. Hey, I might get it wrong, but here I am, I'm, I'm here talking about it. You know, there's a discussion to be had.

[A]

I bet you he goes for Lieutenant Governor.

[C]

Yeah, we'll see what happens on the real Life hopefully wins. I mean, I've not heard.

[A]

That's crazy. Somebody is his age, like young, is doing it the same thing. Like he's setting a precedence there that maybe nationwide. I mean, how cool would it be if like that was a thing, like 20 years?

[C]

A little. He's very mature for 20. Like he, you could tell his maturity is pretty up there. Like, I'd be a clown, dude. I'd be like, we're choking everybody. We're beating everybody, you know, but it has to be mature. It has to be for the right reasons and. But yeah, I, I, I like, I like his message. Somebody wanted to ask about distractionary blows. We didn't get there.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, there was a couple questions too. Yeah. I mean, we didn't even get all of our questions in. He must have virtual court if he's probably doing it on his computer.

[C]

No, he said he had to drive. He told me he had that much time. He probably has to be there at a certain time. He knows the travel distance. He's an in person court. But you can't ask much more than that. I'd love to see more sheriffs come on, more people get on and I think that's, that's the way to get back in touch with the guys and back in touch with the community. I mean, look at me, I on these people constantly. If one of them came on, you know, immediately, it's gonna have to be some type. I can't just scream and yell at them. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to talk and they're gonna have an opportunity to get digs back at me, get their points across and just what's that? No. Follows me.

[A]

He followed you?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, we can get, we can, we can get this guy back on. I'm sure he'd be, I mean, he's running for every election, so I'm sure he'll take any opportunity to. Maybe we'll get him back on in a couple weeks. Give him a chance to see how the campaign.

[A]

Do you think he'll collab on the reels?

[C]

Yeah, I think he would. Well, I don't know. It's pretty, I looked at his page. It's pretty structured. He might, he might share it in the story.

[A]

Interesting. What's that say, Mike?

[C]

It's the guys like him that I was talking to you about. That's the change the job needs. I agree. And I'm mature enough now. I know nobody wants to believe this, but I'm mature enough now that I could, I Could. I could be the sheriff. I could. I could understand you gotta discipline people. But like, when I think about him without trying to talk about myself in that scenario, I think about my. Whenever I hear somebody say that, you might not like it, but it doesn't mean it's not. It's not one way of doing it. Like you, you. Like you talk about. You're right. He's right. You can beat somebody's breaks off if they're not pulling a knife out from underneath them or they're using to give you their hands. You can do it. There's nothing wrong with it. You can do jiu jitsu and you can use techniques that look better. Doesn't make either one of them wrong. So that's what. That's a great message is just because you watch it and go, oh, God, I wouldn't have punched that guy in the face. Well, okay. I did. And I would. So it's.

[A]

I wouldn't drive an electric car. And you're like, well, they're good for the planet. And I'm like, I don't care. I. I don't care that you drive one. I just want to drive one.

[C]

You wouldn't ride in the passenger seat. I think it's great.

[A]

I'm not a. But that's fine. I think a little young, however, that could be a good thing because he's not totally staying by the job and motivated. That's true too. I think. I think you would do good at sheriff because one of the other things that I've noticed too is as leaders is you have to trust other people's opinions. Like, you're really good at getting a consensus of the room before you'll give your opinion and go. Before we act like, am I wrong? Am I wrong?

[C]

And that's maturity is like, there was a time where. Yeah. Like, I was a dope cop. You couldn't convince me otherwise. Nope. We're hitting the house just like this. We're doing it this way. That's how we're doing it. And there was no way to change me. That was the 30, 35 years old. 30, you know, brain underdeveloped. Not on TRT. But now, yes. I try to go like, is it. Is this the best way? I'm still kind of stubborn and, and. But I do want to hear what everybody else's ideas are at least. Or have conversations. Sometimes it's tough to have conversations with me because my brain goes so fast. But when I can slow myself down, that's kind of why I talk like.

[A]

This are great, because I have you for 42 more minutes, and you can't go anywhere. But, I mean, I'm talking like a regular. When you're done with the conversation, Mike, you're done. Like, you're.

[C]

That is. That is a flaw that I was telling. Who was I talking to about this?

[A]

This is you in a hoodie. Like, your hands are your hoodie. This is what you do. You go like, all right, he's checked out.

[B]

Let's talk.

[C]

I think we were talking about it last week, or. I can't remember where it was, but there are times and I feel bad. I'll be in publix. I'll be in the store, and I'll be talking to somebody mid sentence. I'll be like, all right, dogs, I'll see you, man. Like, I'm like, I didn't even let this say anything or he.

[B]

Like, I. I just.

[C]

You're right.

[B]

It's.

[C]

I try. And that's why here I'm. I, like, stare at the camera.

[A]

Oh, God. Just keep.

[C]

Don't say anything.

[A]

Don't.

[C]

Don't. Don't move your eyes. Don't move your mouth. Like, I'm over here. It's autism. Yeah, it is. It's fine. Autistic people are very strong, right? I'm very strong.

[A]

Starts pacing, pacing.

[C]

Oh, now it turns. So this one from Sheriff Sanders episode to what's Wrong with Mike's episode. I like this.

[A]

Let's.

[C]

Let's keep going. This is. I like where we're headed. I like where we're headed here.

[A]

Hey, welcome to my world, dude. People think I'm well, which is fair. Well, all right. So this is a comedian. Has nothing to do with police work, but it's fun.

[C]

This is autism. So you have autism too. You just transition to something completely outrageously out of context. Just.

[A]

And we're done with that.

[C]

A train went by.

[A]

All right, so he goes to people. He just. He's obviously a conservative, but he does the whole, like, dude, it's. His page is funny. Josh Cider official, but here's one video.

[C]

Hey, how are you, sir?

[A]

Good.

[C]

How are you?

[A]

Good.

[C]

I have some terrible news.

[A]

Are you the owner of the house here?

[C]

Yes, I am. Unfortunately, it looks like you no longer are. My name's actually on the deed to the house. You're kidding. No, I'm not.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

My name's on the deed to the house, and I was looking to move in today since this is mine. Looks like you've been living in my house.

[C]

So I don't know whose name's on your deed, but I find that hard to believe.

[B]

Why? Why is that?

[C]

Because I've been living here for 40 something years, and. Me and my wife name is on the deed. Okay, well, that.

[B]

My name. Me and you have the exact same name.

[A]

That's where I think the issue is.

[C]

Okay, so can I ask you. I'll get you my deed. Huh? And you get me your deed.

[B]

My deed?

[C]

That this house belongs to you.

[A]

So you're asking me for documents?

[C]

Well, I wouldn't have to prove who I am.

[B]

Yeah, or your id. Excuse me, bigot. Are you asking a black man for his ID? I thought IDs were racist.

[C]

Well, I think they are.

[B]

I mean, is this not your sign?

[A]

Yes, it is.

[B]

Okay, so why are you asking me.

[A]

For my ID if you think IDs are racist?

[C]

Well, because.

[B]

So maybe IDs aren't racist. Is that possible they're just there to.

[C]

Prove who we are? I think so. Okay, so can I get you to.

[B]

Take this sign down?

[C]

Absolutely. Because this is, to me, is totally crazy.

[B]

Okay, good. And can you.

[C]

You're gonna turn.

[B]

Okay, thank you.

[C]

I appreciate that.

[A]

I don't know, I just thought that was really.

[C]

I don't. I just don't like. I don't know about these people going to people's houses like that, man.

[A]

Oh, that's dangerous as. Dude.

[C]

Yeah, Efren asked about that. The Shane Burbank. I didn't get a chance to ask the server about that as well. That was a pretty controversial topic. Maybe we'll bring that up on the next one.

[A]

Wait, what?

[C]

So here, I'll read it to you. So a former Tacoma police officer who was hired as a sheriff's deputy in a neighboring county, despite his involvement in the violent fatal arrest of manuel Ellis in 2020, has resigned just two days after taking his job. Thurston County Sheriff Derek Sanders said in a written statement Wednesday that he failed to anticipate the community's strong objections to hiring of Deputy Christopher Burbank, which Sanders said included death threats to Burbank's family. Burbank resigned, effectively effective immediately. There was an unarmed Black Death guy, face down, hog tied, and kind of a George Floyd type scenario where he wasn't, like, kneeled on for 27, 000 minutes.

[A]

Was he secure?

[C]

Yeah, he was. He was hog tied in on methamphetamine and he ended up dying. And Burbank was one of the officers originally charged. Sanders hired him, and then there's kind of like a little Bit of speculation if Burbank decided to resign or Sanders said, hey, dog, I can't. I can't do this. So that was one I wanted to get to, but I wasn't going to jam that in there during the conversation. That's something we can get to at a later date.

[A]

Yeah, we'll bring him back.

[C]

I'm aware of it. And I will ask. I don't mind asking, but, you know.

[A]

I don't scare my head. Malone, for the membership. Now, you can go back and watch all my dumbass videos I did when I first started this, and they're all.

[C]

The dumbass ones you did last week. Either one. You can go right back to last week, too.

[A]

You don't have to have a membership for that one, though.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah, I got some more.

[C]

You got more?

[A]

I got more.

[B]

Dude.

[C]

All my episodes helped me. So many views. I got this.

[B]

Isn't it you.

[A]

This is a little old, but it is so good. Check this out.

[C]

Check this out.

[A]

Check this out.

[B]

Isn't a good look for you. You think I care about my look?

[C]

No.

[A]

Oh, no, no.

[B]

Trust me, when you guys. It is evident by how you look. You don't care.

[C]

We get that.

[B]

Trust me. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying this. Trying to be a social warrior. If you actually cared, you probably would care about the child who got raped and also the person got murdered by the person that we were looking for. But see, you don't care. No, I don't care because. Because you guys try. You just tried to Gay.

[A]

Gay Fed roast Karen. Dude, we are living in 2026.

[C]

Well, this all started. This all started in 2016 when Trump ran for president. This. That started the whole thing. Have debates with Hillary and that comedy. And now it's kind of just the cell phone is everywhere. People drop slick one. Like, I don't have a problem with those onliners. I have no problem with dudes talking. That dude in that car in Thorson county would have dropped to, like, a Karen. I would have been like, even better. You're getting a double award. Yeah, like, I don't have a problem with it.

[A]

Pride Assassin, back with gifting another membership. Did you gift it to somebody else this time or to yourself? Again, but thanks, bro. Man, that's awesome.

[C]

Lemon race.

[A]

The Lamont. The. The Lemon race. Dude, I was on a NASCAR kick last night. I started watching clips of Dale.

[C]

So you're gonna be. Oh, you're. You're gonna live out your childhood dream, huh? You're gonna get in that lemon and just. Man, just.

[A]

Apparently Jimmy and his meetings. He had. One of his meetings was with Clint who they talked about this and I.

[B]

Was like meeting balls.

[A]

I go, okay, can you tell me about it? He goes, I'm in a discord meeting. And then proceeds to send me a bunch of stuff. So I gotta go look at it.

[C]

Oh boy. We're living in a hell of a time.

[A]

Cartism. Here's another good one. I want you to see where it gets a little hairy.

[C]

Scary Harry.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if this is adrenaline or what, but.

[C]

You gotta get tased, bro. Bro.

[B]

Stop reaching.

[A]

Right here. Probably some profanity around this point.

[C]

I would think so.

[A]

But. Huh.

[C]

We got the driver with taser deployment.

[A]

Good shot, bird.

[C]

You gotta get tased, bro.

[B]

Stop reaching.

[A]

Right at the stairs, man. That's a little. That's what I was saying. Like I don't know if maybe he didn't realize they were on stairs because it goes down. Like they go downstairs and then they're on level ground and then somehow they go downstairs again. I don't know. That's San Bernardino kind of California. I think so.

[C]

I got one up there video queued up there. One of your people.

[A]

Oh, we didn't get. What.

[B]

Your license on you. Why are you driving so fast, girly? Why are you driving so fast? Where's your life? I just pulled out from the house.

[C]

What did you talk about?

[B]

Did you see you got the right car? Yes, I got the right car. Where's your license? What are you talking about?

[C]

I just pulled out.

[B]

You ran the stop sign at the house. Which is why we're talking. I didn't run the stop sign. Not over here. Over across of 38.

[A]

No, I didn't.

[C]

Okay, we're not going to fight this you because.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[C]

I need your license and registration.

[A]

Not you're about to get pulled out.

[B]

Of the car if you don't give me your license and registration.

[C]

My license and registration?

[B]

That's the point. Okay, then you shouldn't be driving some at the house. Come on. What the. At the. I'm asking you to you let me go. I think. No, I don't have my license. Get out of the car. I'm f to go. You let me go.

[C]

A bro.

[B]

If you're at the store.

[A]

Impeccable timing. That used to for started when the mail showed up. But I could. That could just be a cool.

[C]

Off on my mama.

[A]

Well, well, well.

[C]

Not on her dad.

[B]

Let me go stop sign. I've Been I said at the stop sign for the longest. What did you talk about? First of all, Man, stop touching your girlfriend. And she's uncooperative. I am. Cooper, whatever the you said, it's not funny. Did you call a stop out?

[C]

What's going on?

[B]

She doesn't have a license and she's driving. Look, she doesn't have a license and she's driving, okay? That's why she's being detained and she's uncomfortable. Not with the way she's acting.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Because she didn't know what was going. Okay.

[B]

That doesn't mean call your mom and ignore the cops.

[C]

We're asking for her in the information.

[B]

Regardless. Let us do our investigation.

[C]

Ain't that America, you and me.

[A]

First off, she fit in there. She fitting to get out. She fit and I'm fitting.

[C]

As you said. I was calling her. No, you weren't. We watched the lady.

[A]

I mean obviously we're. The main part of this video is the behavior of some people amongst people that live with us in communities together. But I mean I, I brought up the. They didn't start going hands on until the male cop got there. And I've seen that so much. I probably majority. I'd say 90, 95 of the time is women will sit there and talk until the male gets there and then it's time to go hands on.

[C]

You went all the way on that one, huh?

[A]

Huh?

[C]

I was just showing a video. You just on the whole. Did you not notice that you pointed it out? I mean, I guess I'll, you know.

[A]

You just wanted to watch a really good video for no reason.

[C]

You hate women. I get it. I mean you and Dom that was.

[A]

In my IA they said that he clearly shows that he hates women and police. Female police officers. I mean, hey.

[C]

Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize that. I didn't know you're going there.

[A]

Just get out.

[C]

She said get out of the car. You think she was a natural blonde?

[A]

The driver, dude.

[B]

Just ask.

[A]

You know, I got, you know, somebody called me out in the comments, right. When we did the jail, the, the. The prison guard, I made it into a clip, right. And put it in the video section. I guess at some point in there I did the like. And somebody was like dude, this really whistling the Lion King song.

[C]

No way. No way. Oh yeah. Yes, yes you did. I remember we had watched the other video. Yeah.

[A]

I mean because a two and a half hour. A two. Two and a half hour broadcast is really going to be. Only people are only going to see that. Who want to watch us every day. Like it's going to be our support.

[C]

When somebody dives in to do research and finds out how you really feel.

[B]

Yeah, but you.

[A]

You throw a clip out on the Internet, it's like. It's like serving it up to people. And I don't. I mean, was it out. Would you call that out of context, or was it pretty much cut and dry?

[C]

I mean, where would that take place? The Jungle is another name of the song.

[A]

Well, we were talking about it beforehand. I just can't remember what we were talking about. But we were like.

[C]

Oh, it was the Trump video. I know exactly what it was. I'm trying to avoid you saying it because it's worse when you say that.

[A]

A little something like this.

[C]

I remember. So you're humming. I didn't even notice your hum. That's.

[A]

That's good.

[C]

That's real good.

[A]

Yeah, it was in the comments of The. The. The YouTube. I don't really.

[C]

I'm gonna get there. The one that they're talking about. I'm gonna play that. We'll play that in a second. I'll have it here in a second.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Dom's been going off the rails about this video.

[A]

A new one?

[C]

Yeah. We did an episode on it yesterday. He's on Tuesdays and Friday. He switches somebody on Tuesdays and Fridays. Now Clint has got days on Tuesday. Clint's gonna have to call in tomorrow and tell us the. The trooper update. Do you see Clint's picture in Patreon with the mini horse walking by his house?

[A]

No. His picture on YouTube's a slipknot mask.

[C]

Is it? Yeah, I gotta get it off here.

[A]

Oh, sorry. I'm. I'm a. Correction. My ex wife who made those allegations was. It was her friend that said, I hated female cops, not my admin. Stupid.

[C]

You can't say it.

[A]

Well, I can't show a propensity of hating women.

[C]

We're past that.

[A]

We're past that. Look at my wife over here. HH in the comments.

[C]

Video. I'm waiting on this video.

[A]

You're downloading it?

[C]

I'm doing something.

[A]

Let me see if I got any more.

[C]

Talking about it. We're gonna have to watch his. I think it's too long.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Dom doesn't say anything.

[A]

Just go to. Let me just go to his Instagram.

[C]

Yeah. It's 2 minutes and 42 seconds.

[A]

Search. Explore.

[C]

I'm not allowed to sing anymore. Never mind. My bad.

[A]

All right, we're here. Which I'm gonna share the screen now. Hold on.

[C]

It's the one with the. The one on the right.

[A]

Upright this one.

[C]

Fourth one over.

[A]

I got him.

[B]

I got him, I got him.

[C]

Keep your hands down. No sense of urgency. Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back.

[B]

Bring it back.

[C]

Let me get this one.

[B]

Look at this fiddle. Get on your stomach now. Put him down now. Stomach.

[C]

Do not move. Do not move. You hear me? She has no idea how to handcuff.

[B]

Put your hand back now.

[C]

Should have put that knee right in the back of the elbow, right Compressed right down into the spine. The ground used her body weight. That's the only thing she would have had advantage on. But she didn't know how to use it. I bet she's got.

[B]

You.

[A]

Imagine that chick's your partner, dude.

[C]

Oh, you can hear. She doesn't know what she's doing.

[A]

This.

[C]

Get out your stomach. She thinks her boy here is gonna bail her out of a bad situation. She doesn't know what she's doing. At least he tries to get the legs in for there a little bit. All right, good job.

[B]

Put his body weight on him.

[C]

She's fumbling. She shot this guy because she has no idea what she's doing. This man died because this female cop didn't know what she was doing.

[A]

Who shot him?

[C]

She does.

[A]

She shoots him when the. When the. When the cops on top of him keep playing.

[B]

Let go him.

[C]

Stop, dude. Let him go now.

[B]

Let him go. Let him go. Dude, I'm.

[A]

Oh, bro. She gets that two hander on there. She's like.

[C]

She's got the black taser out, man. We're getting ready. Getting ready for business.

[B]

Let him go.

[C]

Oh, my God. Look at her hand positions on this pistol. Yeah, she doesn't even know how to use a pistol.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

I don't want to shoot him.

[B]

Let him go.

[C]

Hurry. I'm gonna have to.

[A]

Oh, what the happened? I got him.

[B]

I got him.

[A]

I got. Oh, dude.

[C]

How about that?

[B]

Holy.

[A]

He's just in a scuffle.

[C]

Yeah, I remember when this came out. She's like having. She's talking herself. That's her answers, too. I talked to myself a lot, but that. She's talking herself through that, and that is where she's going with her brain.

[A]

So you have to shoot him.

[C]

Oh, my God. She's talking to herself at that point. She's not talking to anybody else. She's having a conversation.

[A]

Don't shoot. I'm right here. Like, I'm. My. The depth. The other cop was on the Bigger side. And he was doing everything he was supposed to be doing. If he doesn't know how to fight, he was laying on that guy and not suffocating him. But that guy probably felt like he was suffocating. All that body weight with that vest, but hanging on. Just wait.

[C]

Was that deadly force? There was no deadly force there.

[A]

That guy was probably gonna run. Take off running if he got it. Worst case scenario. Worst case scenario, you get off him and he takes off running. If he touches the taser on the.

[B]

Ground.

[A]

That'S where at least you have halfway of a debate for a good shoot, right? I mean, we could sit there and cut that one.

[C]

I mean, you got.

[A]

It's better than what we saw.

[C]

I get it. Hey, man. 30 by 30, dude. 30 females by 20. 30. We're on our way.

[A]

Do you think we're even close?

[C]

No, we're at 14, maybe 15. I think it was somewhere in there. They want to double that in the next four years. That sounds safe. Like, look at that Hillsborough county video I posted on my story. Like a bunch of. Bunch of fat dumps dancing around the. I think she got arrested.

[A]

Do we know what? I don't know.

[C]

My wife will know. I don't know. I didn't do all the research on that one. I'm feeling film. 30 minutes time here.

[A]

Copville. You said it's in your stories.

[C]

Yeah. There should be a Hillsborough county group of. Dance around.

[A]

Let me share again.

[C]

There you go. Look at this.

[A]

Oh, all right. Why is there no sound. Girl.

[C]

Ready lo me.

[A]

Your country girl.

[C]

And that's the.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah, that's.

[C]

That's a hills.

[A]

That is. Can you imagine walking around that fair and seeing that this mockery of law enforcement. No.

[C]

Best at Florida. Just.

[A]

They're a joke.

[C]

It is a joke, dude. It's a complete joke. And if you watch. This isn't. This is. I'm repeating somebody else's thoughts on this. I'm. I'm stealing this a little bit. But you look at what's going on, and I'll be honest, I'm gonna navigate this without. Don't hum any songs. You see an influx in. It appears to be targeted black female cops, black females, Atlanta, Hillsborough. They're targeting a certain demographic and then sex. Yes. And it seems to be happening more and more now. I'm not back to the drawing board. Women are inherently weaker than men. It's no way around it. You're now infiltrating and targeting a group of people that are weaker. And. And you're Creating a number. We want this many by this time. And then you're making it look cool by them dancing around and doing all these things. What about when you're that female who's got a partner in the middle of a fight? Are you ready to do the right thing? Are you ready to fight? Are you, are you going to just shoot them? Like, what about when you're one on one, like the previous call where the black female doesn't want to get out of the car? Like nobody is talking about. That's the reality of this job. The, the, the non reality of the job is dancing at the fair.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Simple. But everybody, while they're dancing at the fair, there's shootings going on in Hillsborough. There's fucking domestics, there's suicide attempts, there's guys running from traffic stops. We're pushing that version of the job out. And then when you stand on somebody's fucking head on a call, we got to, you know, that's the reality. That's the more normal, there's more heads getting stood on today than there are people dancing around the fair, like interacting with the cops that love them. So we're creating an image that is completely non related to law enforcement and not realistic. And then we're hiring people based on that image. And we are done. We are done. If we have a bunch of dancing fat black chicks as our cops in Tampa. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. If Hillsborough county fills their agency with those people, we're done, dude, we're done. We're done. You can't do anything. You're done.

[A]

I mean, here's the thing too. When they get hired, they move them immediately, immediately to community relations or POI or social media. Any way to get the black females or the Hispanic lesbians in front of the community so they can go, hey, we're diverse. We'll let the white males go out there and fight crime until it's time to burn them and then they're out. They have a trajectory on their career and they're never going to get themselves in a spot to where they need the union or they're in an ia they or they're also never going to get them in a spot themselves into a spot of real police work. They're just, as soon as they're done with fto, minimum road time and boom, they're in a community oriented squad.

[C]

And you are permanently, permanently generationally destroying that agency because let's say 28 year old sheriff Sanders comes in Hillsborough county and wins the election. You Think he can move 25 black females at once out of the specialty units back to patrol? Jesse Jackson will resurrect himself from the grave and show up at the door and. Yeah, he died last week. He will resurrect What?

[A]

Yeah, sorry.

[C]

Yeah, no, he's dead. He will resurrect himself from the grave and come back and fight that. You can't.

[A]

You.

[C]

You wouldn't be able to come in and move and undo that entire debauchery. You're done. So it would be all kinds of problems. And I'm not saying that black females aren't capable of doing the job. Don't get me wrong. Not just saying, but I'm saying if you have so many that have never worked patrol and you put them in specialty positions and you want to go, you know what? I'm going to redo this. I want to move all these people around. You're not going to be able to do that. You're absolutely not going to do that. You will be sued.

[A]

Sued. Sued.

[C]

Civil rights. You'll be sued. If it's females, minority, you just. You're creating an agency that has massive problems. And on a small level, I see it here locally, they promoted some females, a female sergeant that has no business even being a cop. What do you do when somebody else comes in and I win? Let's say I win and I go, she is not able to be. I'm getting. She's a lesbian female.

[B]

I can't move her.

[C]

What am I gonna say? Demoter? We had a. We had an Asian male get promoted under the same circumstance. He could take a test because he's a smart Asian guy. And he passed 100, 100, 100. They finally promoted him. They put him right in the courthouse. Years later, and somebody else comes in, wins the election and says, you. You're not at the courthouse of you in the road patrol. Within a year, he was demoted and had to go through all these problems because he had no business ever being in the position he was in. So you're creating entire agencies and shifts and of community affairs units of full of people that have never done the job, can't do the job. And if somebody comes in to go, you know what? Out of the grace of God, so and so one, he's going to redo the whole agency. He can't even do it. Can't even do it.

[A]

You know who would remove all those fat black lesbian women from their job as Colonel Bovino of the border patrol in his trench coat?

[C]

He would come in and he would do a lot. I thought you're going somewhere else with it.

[A]

Kiss in the car, gets in the box car.

[C]

I thought you were gonna go somewhere else, like somewhere painted faces or something. I got a video Clint sent in if you want to load that video.

[A]

Let's load that video. All right. You know him? Oh, that's not the right one. He's got the long horns.

[C]

Definitely not the right one. All right.

[A]

You know him?

[C]

That's Clint's neighborhood man.

[A]

Longhorns. Looks like something you'd say in a parade.

[C]

Clint talking about anything Hilarious. It's a horse, I guess. A little mini horse. But Clint. I could listen to Clint narrate anything.

[A]

Yeah, I could too.

[C]

Like, it's. It's that good.

[A]

Yeah. He should read audiobooks. He should read audiobooks, but of black women that wrote it.

[C]

Oh, boy. We need. Yeah, we need a spot for Clint to, like, until we can't talk too much. We need to get a spot for him to read something each week. And we just make something. Have him read the story.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Good evening. Good morning, everybody. It's Clint.

[A]

Welcome, though.

[C]

All he's allowed to do is read that. Oh, mini donkey. I'm sorry. It was mini donkey. It's a jackass, but yeah, he gets to read like. All right. Clint, read it. Might be a children's book. Might be a real story. We never know what it's going to be. Just read it.

[A]

That's it, man. Do you want to end it early today?

[C]

You want to end it early?

[A]

I mean, I wasn't. We. I wasn't really expecting the planning wise of the. Only the sheriff leaving at noon. I don't want to waste anybody.

[C]

We're here. We're good. You want me to put the hat on?

[A]

Can you do the next 10 minutes in an Asian accent, please?

[C]

So I was watching Tom Segura and he says that's the only one you're not allowed to do.

[A]

Really?

[C]

That's what he said.

[A]

Leave it to us.

[C]

He says you can do all the other accents and it's acceptable, but for some reason, Asian is not acceptable. Well, I'm. He's actually. He's hilarious too. If you haven't watched his latest on Netflix. He's really good.

[A]

I haven't seen the last one.

[C]

He's done a couple really, really good ones. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I mean, my wife has a follow up today. I gotta get her to the doctor. Oh, my God. I get ready. Tonight, 7:00pm on Counterculture. Dom Izzo, Dominic Izzo and Copville for hot topic. Well, I'm sure we'll be talking about Dominic's video. Females being cops, all the cool stuff. He'll say the things I can't say. So don't forget to tune into that. And then right after that will be Jimmy's Shadowcast live at 8:00pm on Counterculture as well. So you got back to back counterculture episodes tonight.

[A]

Yeah, he said there's updates. He texted us. Largest aerial buildup of combat capabilities by the U. S. Air force in Europe and the middle east since the gulf war.

[C]

So he'll be talking about that nerd stuff. Open and open Discord will come up, right? That'll be mentioned.

[A]

Guys, I'm on a really important meeting in Discord.

[C]

I'd say he.

[A]

What do you need?

[C]

We're still talking about discord about it may. We'll still be talking about. Still don't know what it is. Oh, somebody said you. You're smart enough not to get it. Somebody sent like a thing this morning about our show advertising today's show and they send it out in discord. It binged my phone at like 7:15 this morning.

[A]

I got an email.

[C]

I got a notification.

[A]

Yeah, I got a notification email. I'm not on discord, but I know the counterculture emails.

[C]

Oh my goodness gracious. We have a. I'm gonna have you walk me through. Dude, did you know we had a child area called the daycare?

[A]

Not anymore we don't. We're calling it something else. I don't care. Anything, JV team, whatever. Just don't call a group of children the daycare.

[C]

No, I don't think that's the one. Well, don't forget to go to cottvilleog.com. the best clothing line in the counterculture network.

[A]

No, it's not your use code.

[C]

Antihero for 15 off anthur 15. I had a pre workout yesterday. Got our own pre workout with the.

[A]

Dumbest logo I've ever seen.

[C]

The baddest logo I've ever seen.

[A]

What you. What they. You have all the AI capability at your hands and you put that logo on there.

[C]

Rocket fuel. What a cool name.

[A]

No, I'm not saying rocket fuel is not a cool name. It's not, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing the logo of two rockets on it.

[C]

Rocket fuel. It's going to the moon for the first time. That's where it's headed.

[A]

It'll make your butthole tingle.

[C]

Oh, we got peach. Peach will be in studio Tomorrow night for Night Shift for those interested.

[A]

Oh yeah, guys, don't forget you got to go to Counterculture Inc. Oh, thank you, Mike. You got to go to Counterculture Inc. YouTube to watch night Shift now. And also a lot of our shows, we're moving to the Counterculture Inc. Audio line feed whatever it is on Apple. Rather than have shadow cast and unfiltered and phase and open mic and Night Shift have all of their own channels, they'll all be underneath the counterculture umbrella on the audio platforms, which will give them a lot more exposure. If you're, if you're like, I don't know what open mic is, you're probably not going to go look for it. But if you come across it and you're listening and you like laugh, that's how that kind of works. So. But Night Shift will be on underneath the counterculture banner rather than Night Shift.

[C]

That's what we're doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All of them.

[A]

No, no, not for all of them. Just for the in house shows. Your show is probably has been going long enough to where it might not benefit from that. It might, it might not.

[C]

No, it. I think. Yeah.

[A]

You get good audio numbers?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, then you wouldn't.

[C]

So I get what you're saying. So instead of having to search I. I see you're just going to search counterculture.

[A]

Like Open mic will just be under counterculture like sports, Night Shift and the girls. And then if somebody gets big enough and they're. They want to be on their own line, there's no difference in anything other than it's just its own line. It just, it's like anything it they have, it has to be searched for on its own. And so right now newer shows benefit more being underneath that umbrella, but if they get big enough and they want to do their own thing, it's totally fine.

[C]

That was the point of Counterculture anyway.

[A]

Was it? Yeah, so. But get people like Nick exposure because that guy's a character. But he doesn't put out any podcasts.

[C]

He has a character. The Grinch pajamas. Gotta get him. No, him and Dom and the Marine guy on.

[A]

Yeah, we gotta get, we gotta, we gotta set up like pre recorded, like just battles or. We should do it live. People would probably want to watch those live. Why don't you host them on Copville?

[C]

What, them fighting?

[A]

Just, just people arguing. You mediate, set some rules. Like hey, you get.

[C]

Add another show to the network. You want me to do that?

[A]

No, you're still down one in the hole. We're still working.

[C]

How Many are you in the hole?

[A]

Oh, I really do. In all seriousness, I love how Pig in the Plug is doing. It's doing great. Lots of traction, great videos coming out. It's just. You really nailed it, Mike.

[C]

So for those that don't know, Tyler's a. Obviously, Jason and I are doing the show, picking the plug, but you don't rush perfection, Right? So he's in the process with the 10 toes stuff, gathering the good equipment, because, you know, in our studio, Tyler has one camera that's really, really good with a good lens, and he puts it on himself. And then everybody else struggles with, like, subpar stuff. So what we don't want to do is start out something where everything is all up. So what Jason and I are doing is taking the high road. Plus, I'm going to be gone for a cruise in March. I don't start a show and then end the show and have a gap in it once. Once I get back, it's gonna be like the rest of the year. I'm not gonna be able to go anywhere because.

[A]

When's your cruise in March?

[C]

I don't know yet.

[A]

All right, I'm gonna be gone. I'm gonna be in Cali March 16th through, like, the 21st.

[C]

All right, we're totally shut down, then.

[A]

All right. Is that the same week of yours?

[C]

It might be. Dana here is closed.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I could do a lot of remote. I could do remote. I'm gonna pack, like, a mic and my laptop and stuff, so I'll be able to go. I just.

[C]

We might be. Well, I can. I can stream from the boat, so we might be. Might be on a.

[B]

Damn. That was awful.

[C]

No, I can pay.

[A]

Every time you tried to get on, it was. Oh, you're saying if you have, like, something's coordinated and scheduled.

[C]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We might need. Justin. Justin, you're on the hook. Get the. Get the Tesla out of the garage.

[A]

Put the nice clothes on, sleep here for a week and hold down the fort with Jimmy.

[C]

Just have Jimmy run the company. That's what Tristan said. Tyler on vacation. Clint. Dude, I gotta get rolling anyway. Perfect timing. Don't forget to get your water.

[A]

Mike.

[C]

Oh, sorry to bother me. Yeah, I'm. Four shows on the network. I don't know. Let me go. I got another. All right.

[A]

We'll be back.

[C]

We'll be back.

[A]

Flagship broadcast tomorrow, 11am in studio. I'm sure something will happen between now and then.

[C]

SA.

[A]

Team for life.