From Cop To Senate feat. Alexander Duncan

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Antihero Podcast – "From Cop To Senate feat. Alexander Duncan"

Introduction

In this compelling episode of The Antihero Podcast, hosts Brent Tucker and Tyler engage in an in-depth conversation with Alexander Duncan, a retired Beverly Hills Police Department officer of 13 years and the son of a dedicated police officer who served an impressive 34-year tenure. Now, Alexander is embarking on a new journey as a Senate candidate in Texas, aiming to bring his extensive law enforcement experience and strong family values to the political arena.

Guest Background and Career Path

Alexander Duncan shares his unexpected path into law enforcement, initially intending to pursue a career in medicine. However, influenced by his father's suggestion and the practical need for a job after high school, Alexander joined the police force at 21 years old.

[09:36] Alexander Duncan: "I started right at 21... My whole plan was to go to college, go to medical school."

Despite his initial reluctance, ride-alongs with seasoned officers ignited his passion for policing, ultimately leading him to apply and graduate from the police academy immediately after college.

Challenges in Law Enforcement

a. Recruitment and Training

Alexander discusses the critical issues facing modern law enforcement recruitment and training. He emphasizes the importance of genuine motivation over those attracted solely by good pay and benefits.

[17:19] Brent Tucker: "The military is the same way... They joined for the benefits, not the passion."

Alexander highlights that recruitment has declined, especially post-George Floyd protests, leading to an influx of individuals who may not be committed to a long-term career in policing.

Notable Quote:

[15:38] Alexander Duncan: "You need to have some type of other employment and real work, life experience. Because if you don't have that, it makes it difficult."

b. Culture and Leadership

The conversation delves into the deteriorating culture within police departments, particularly focusing on the Beverly Hills Police Department (BHPD). Alexander recounts a significant vote of no confidence against the BHPD chief, driven by concerns over leadership and departmental direction.

[50:28] Alexander Duncan: "The association got together and put out a vote... Because this guy's not representing us."

He criticizes the privatization of certain police functions and the over-reliance on technology like Real-Time Watch Centers, which he believes undermines traditional law enforcement methods and accountability.

c. Privatization of Police Services

Alexander expresses frustration over the city's decision to hire private security companies, which diverted responsibilities away from the police force and led to inefficiencies.

[55:19] Tyler: "They tried to privatize law enforcement."

He argues that private security lacks the authority and training of official police officers, resulting in inadequate responses to incidents.

Personal Transformation and Values

Two years prior to the podcast, Alexander experienced a profound personal transformation upon finding faith in Christ. This spiritual awakening shifted his priorities from career-driven ambitions to fostering strong family values and community service.

[74:12] Alexander Duncan: "I found God, and it really just transformed my whole life."

This transformation motivated him to relocate to Texas, seeking a community that aligns with his values and offers a supportive environment for raising his family.

Transition to Politics: Motivations and Goals

Alexander's decision to run for the Senate stems from his desire to protect Texas from what he perceives as the encroaching influence of liberal policies. He emphasizes the need for veterans and law enforcement professionals in political positions to bring practical, real-world experience to governance.

[88:09] Alexander Duncan: "We need people that never wanted to be a politician, but they're just fed up and they go, hey, I want to serve."

He advocates for term limits and increased transparency in politics to combat corruption and the undue influence of lobbyists and super PACs.

Notable Quote:

[89:18] Alexander Duncan: "We need people that never wanted to be a politician, but they're just fed up and they go, hey, I want to serve."

Perspectives on Current Political Climate

The discussion touches on the political landscape in Texas, highlighting the state's longstanding Republican dominance and recent polling suggesting potential shifts. Alexander critiques current leadership, including Attorney General Ken Paxton, and expresses concern over foreign ownership of public assets and the privatization trends in essential services.

[81:32] Brent Tucker: "The state of Texas has not put a Democrat in office on a statewide election so essentially a federal election for 30 years."

He underscores the importance of grassroots campaigns and voter engagement in primaries to effect meaningful change.

Closing Remarks and Future Plans

As the podcast concludes, Alexander emphasizes his commitment to serving Texas and the broader United States with integrity and practical solutions rooted in his law enforcement background. He calls for increased participation in elections, urging listeners to support candidates who prioritize service over personal gain.

[102:46] Alexander Duncan: "We need to really protect Texas because, if Texas falls, America's going to fall with it."

Notable Quote:

[100:50] Alexander Duncan: "If you stand for something, stand for it. If you have an opinion, give it."

Conclusion

This episode of The Antihero Podcast offers a candid and insightful look into Alexander Duncan's journey from law enforcement to political candidacy. Through honest discussions on recruitment challenges, departmental culture, and the necessity for experienced individuals in politics, Alexander presents a compelling case for his Senate run. His emphasis on service, integrity, and community values resonates with listeners seeking meaningful representation in government.

Transcript

[Brent Tucker]

And we'll move on to the next chapter, your life. You know, at some point you moved to Texas, and according to my research, you loved California politics so much, like you wanted to bring it to Texas. Because you're like. Because we're like, hey, you guys are too red. Let me show you the way. And you know, in a effort to turn Texas blue. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

According to my research, that's my biggest thing. I always tell people it's like, I did not come to Texas to change anything. I can't, because I live love these values. I love the freedom. Like, that's why I came. I'm not bringing any of this trash with me. Trust me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, hold on.

[Tyler]

We're not recording.

[Brent Tucker]

Want to buy a rifle?

[Tyler]

Do you want to buy a shirt to support military dance? People want to see their sausage get made.

[Brent Tucker]

An appropriate level of inappropriateness. Something happens in my family tonight. The Delta horse isn't. Isn't coming to rescue my.

[Alex Duncan]

My family, my kids.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, it is first responders that are. That are going to save my family.

[Tyler]

They want the culture to be down. They want people to not want to be cops. And the people that do want to be cops are now walking the job, scared to do the job.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm going to try to act like it didn't happen, although we. We all know it did.

[Tyler]

JV team for life. What I like most about you is when you don't sit like you're over 6 foot for some reason.

[Alex Duncan]

Like, slump down in a chair, get more comfortable.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. If, if, if you look like you're too much taller than us. I just have you like, bring your feet back in a little bit. We've had to do that before.

[Tyler]

We've had some brick shafts.

[Brent Tucker]

Chris, Curious. Yeah. SWAT guy from Fort Lauderdale. I swear he's six, eight.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's not, it's not exaggerated. I mean, he's. And he's not like a skinny six eight. He's like a jack six eight. I'm like you. Not only is your seat gonna have to go down, you also have to push away from the desk a little bit to create an illusion. But that's who I want on my SWAT teams. Yeah, give me that guy.

[Tyler]

He's coming. He's going through a door.

[Brent Tucker]

He's go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's going through a wall. If he wants. We wanted to. Yeah, that's. And that's the guy you want on your police force. Like, that guy shows up. I don't. He probably has some funny stories still, but how many fights you think Chris has been in, Right?

[Tyler]

I mean maybe someone that's mentally ill.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. No one's fighting that.

[Tyler]

It's always. I feel so bad. It's always a small cops that know Brazilian Jiu jitsu, they know how to fight, but because they're small, they are always fighting every time.

[Alex Duncan]

Just with female cops too.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And dudes with jack, dudes with tattoos that get out of the car, they never fight, even if they don't know how to fight.

[Alex Duncan]

Well, a lot of police departments used to have height requirements. Like back in the day.

[Tyler]

Like, remember that was it. You know, somebody told me that Florida highway patrol.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You should require you to be a certain height.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

A lot of agencies had it and I think in like, I think it went away in like the 80s for us short kings. But there's something to be said about it kind.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, there's something to be said about that. I had to think about that for a second. I almost said maybe we. That you should, should still be a thing to some degree. But I don't know. I was just listening to what's that guy Dominic or. Yeah, oh yeah, he was, he was telling a story. But he used to be a, a bouncer at this uh, or, or do security at this like 80s 90s, like just wild bar. They didn't get into fights all the time and so they changed their. The owner had this bright idea, I think we'll talk a California mindset. I think we'll probably talk about here a little bit. It was like, hey, maybe some of the reason that people are fighting is because we have these like these aggressive looking security people and it creates this aggressive like culture. He's like. So I'm gonna put in people who don't look so aggressive and try to bring down the hard presence of this place. Well, do you think people stop getting into fights?

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, I'm sure that worked out.

[Tyler]

No, opposite.

[Brent Tucker]

The opposite. And now you got these people who can't break up fights that didn't last long. They, they put the, they put the big guys right back in there. But anyway, he was telling the story about this short guy that showed up. He was like 5 foot 6, but he was like 6 foot wide. So yeah, he was short, he was a jack dude. He's like this dude just come in as a wrecking ball like so hit.

[Tyler]

You at the waist.

[Brent Tucker]

Didn't even see a cup where that come from.

[Alex Duncan]

What did just Florida have? Have you heard of 30 by 30?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

Law enforcement, my department was huge on that.

[Tyler]

Oh, they're all. Yeah. So the, the height requirement that we were talking about in the 80s was that men that had to be six feet.

[Alex Duncan]

I mean. Well, I guess, I think it kind of.

[Brent Tucker]

I guess it works out, you know, unless Brittany Griner wants to be a cop, which I don't think she. He does. That'll. That'll. It just works itself out, doesn't it?

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, things used to just work themselves out.

[Brent Tucker]

Things used to. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Until we started getting involved.

[Brent Tucker]

We're going to talk about that and a lot more. Welcome to the show. You know, I almost went right in with the, with the introduction and skip everything that we've done for 150 episodes.

[Tyler]

Fluid, fluid. Welcome back to the Anti Hero podcast. Part Delta Force, part Street Cop. All truth. I'm Tyler, owner of Counterculture Inc. Go to Counterculture Inc. Threads.com use promo code Anti Hero and get 15 off. The best in counterculture. Graphic TE's, stickers, team room, flags, hats, beanies, zip ups if you want them during the summer. Ranger panties. We got everything. Counterculture inkthreads.com use promo code ANTIHERO15OFF.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm Brent Tucker, owner of FRCC. We have coffee, cigars, and by the time this one airs, bourbon as well. Use FRCC 15. That's FRCC 15. To get the world's best coffee, cigars and bourbon.

[Tyler]

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[Alex Duncan]

Not yet.

[Tyler]

Not yet.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Alex Duncan]

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[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Tyler]

We end it. When they end it.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. No earlier than. No earlier.

[Tyler]

No earlier. Is that a thing?

[Brent Tucker]

We're making it. We're making it.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And no, we just added a new feature to Patreon we will be uploading episodes to Patreon early. And I, and I, at first I was like, well, no. And I was like, these guys pay us money every single month to support us. The least we could do is give them early access. And a lot of people were complaining. I didn't know this. I turned off monetization on YouTube. I was like, it's not worth the money. We run our own sponsors and YouTube was like, cool. We're still running ads. We have the right to do that. We're just not giving you any money now.

[Brent Tucker]

Are you kidding me?

[Tyler]

Yeah, somebody on our Patreon message us and like, can you drop it here? Because we don't. Me and my wife love watching show, but there's so many YouTube ads. And I was like, that's insane. I turned them off and I did my own Research and YouTube is a feature they just started. Yeah, well, they'll run them and they'll just take all the money.

[Brent Tucker]

So I guess we'll turn that back on again and get our 1257 from. From YouTube. It's so true. Times 40.

[Tyler]

But yeah, if you sign up for our Patreon, there's no guarantee of how early. It's just, it'll at least be a day early and no YouTube ads.

[Brent Tucker]

With us today, we have Alex Duncan. This should be a good one. A little bit, A little bit, I want to say a little bit different from Arnor, but also not because of your. Of your police background, sir, but by. But at some point we'll get into the political aspect of it that I'm. That I'm excited. I got some, some questions for you about that, but he was a police officer of the Beverly Hills Police department. Retired, served 13 years there. And also he is the son of a police officer. His father served in the same department, even had some overlap time, and he served for 34 years, sir. He's also running for the. A seat for the Senate out of. Out of Texas. And we'll be talking more about that. Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for coming to the great state of Florida. So we think that'll help you give a better perspective of what. Not that Texas doesn't. Doesn't know what freedom looks like, but gives you a little different for, you know, our view of it as well.

[Alex Duncan]

I love it. Yeah, thanks for having me on. This is great. Love your show. Thanks, man.

[Brent Tucker]

That's awesome. Appreciate it. The. You got into police work at an early age and that's something we, we talk about a lot. I've Heard you talk about it. Tell us about what, what got you into it and how old you are. Give us that story.

[Alex Duncan]

So I started right at 21. But growing up with, with a police officer father, I want nothing to do with law enforcement. Very like anti authority. Didn't want anything to do with it. My whole plan was to go to college, go to medical school. But when I turned 18, when, right when I graduated high school, my dad's like, hey, you need a job. Said, okay, well I'll start looking for a job. He's like, well, the department's hiring cadets. And it was, it was paying really well. At the time, I think it was like 18 an hour. No. Is just kind of almost like an explorer. But a paid position.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So I was like, all right, well I need a job. This is easy. I get to go to and from work with my dad. I'll do it. So I did that the entire time I was in college, but with no.

[Brent Tucker]

Intention to do it.

[Alex Duncan]

The job, no intention of doing it. But I started going on ride alongs with all these officers. I'm like, this is kind of cool. Like you're not stuck behind a desk all day. You kind of get to do whatever you want. You get to get involved in all this cool stuff. So it totally switched my mindset. Like my senior year, I was like, no, I'm going to apply. They just started opening up the hiring process. Yeah, like, I'll take a shot. So I applied, got hired. I started the police academy the day after my college graduation.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, wow.

[Alex Duncan]

So I just went straight into it.

[Brent Tucker]

What, what'd you get your degree in?

[Alex Duncan]

Psychology? Nothing useful.

[Brent Tucker]

I was thinking. Yeah. While you're saying that I was. Drew was a youth pastor for 20 years. You know, unless something drastically changes, Drew, your kids aren't going to be youth pastors. Right. Okay. I don't see my kids going into the military. So like, yes, kids, like there are generational military people, but I think we have such a broad, you know, so hundreds and hundred hundreds of thousands. Most people don't do what their dad does.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And so it's, it's funny that that like you said you had no interest in it, even though he ended up becoming one. I think the ride along thing is, is, is a, is a powerful tool.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Which made me think, I wonder if military guys, if you could do like a ride along in the military, like maybe that might be our biggest recruiting tool. Let some. I'm not talking about combat, but yeah, let some. I don't know how that would work.

[Tyler]

But the sub, the military subculture is, oh, I don't want to say it's not dark, it's just unseen because we see the recruiting posters, we're like, join us.

[Alex Duncan]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

Everything's clean.

[Tyler]

And then you get to your unit, you're like, these guys are some dirt bags.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, it's kind of like law enforcement too. Like the subculture of law enforcement, like this like image of, oh, we're, you know, we do the correct way and like, I mean, law enforcement, you're in such the gray area for so long that you kind of like, you start thinking like a criminal does. You're like, I could get away with doing this because I know how to get away with it because I've watched these criminals get arrested for it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And it kind of blurs the lines a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

I made that joke about a military ride along, but in the short time I thought, that's a horrible idea. Keep.

[Tyler]

All they do is smoke.

[Brent Tucker]

Keep that separated until we got you. Then it's too late.

[Tyler]

More bodies for unloading conixes.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh gosh, the. So you, you joined at 21 and you know, Tyler is a sheriff deputy right now, but also was in the military, so he definitely gets both sides of this argument. And I think joining the military young is a good thing, but you're following orders. Like when you're young, you have the least amount of freedoms and the least amount of leeway. You're just, just do what you're told. Shut up. I don't have to tell you why, just do it. And you can do that at 18, 19, 20. It's not until you're like in your mid-20s in the military that like you start having leeway. And law enforcement is complete opposite as, and this is an extreme. As an 18 year old, you can take away the rights of citizens. Like you can't do that. You know, as a military person, what were some of the struggles and maybe because you lived it, maybe some of the plus sides, like what's, what's, what's, what's your thoughts around being a law officer at 21?

[Alex Duncan]

I go back and forth because I think there's some good of it because you haven't been corrupted by life yet. But the people that bring in more life experience, they're usually better police officers because they know how to deal with the community better. But I like, I remember one of my first calls going on like a domestic violence call at 21 and like this 50 year old man's like, look at you, you're like 20 something years old. You're gonna tell me what to do? And I remember thinking after the call, I'm like, yeah, dang, I'm 21 years old. I'm not married. I don't have kids. I don't know what this guy's going through. And now I'm taking him to jail.

[Brent Tucker]

I am the law.

[Alex Duncan]

So it's like, it's kind of like. It was kind of a trip. I'm like, yeah, he's got a point.

[Brent Tucker]

Could. Could you imagine? I just. My first thought is like a young guy, you know, clearly he's not making right decisions because you're there. But being like, you know, you need to clean up your life, sir. You need to, you need to act right, like, the way you're living life. He's like, you haven't even lived life. Like, don't tell me. You know, I think the comment I.

[Alex Duncan]

Came back to him with was like, well, I don't have the problems you do.

[Brent Tucker]

Right? Yeah.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that's. I don't. So that. I mean, it's, it's. It's almost an unfair question to ask because none of us have. None of us have broken the code. Then what's the answer to that? You know, or if you is 21, too young? Like, you know, we've, we've thrown around like, like numbers like, like 25, you know, which is, you know, But I don't, I don't know. Is there an answer to that? Or you just take, take it as they come.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, I think it's like case by case basis, but I think one thing they have to really look at is you should have worked other jobs prior. That shouldn't be your first job, going straight into law enforcement. You need to have like, the customer service angle either from working, you know, just even working at a pizza shop or something, which I did when I was 16. But you need to have some type of other employment and, yeah, real work, life experience. Because if you don't have that, it's makes it difficult.

[Tyler]

They need to make the culture. We've talked about this recently. You have to have a culture where people want to be there and, and I don't know, how do you enrich a culture? That's a whole nother topic in itself. But then also say, I mean, you can't, you can't. We can't ask guys to come in at a. At the earliest 25 and then make them do 25 years until retirement.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. That's the Other problem in the whole retirement age.

[Brent Tucker]

The domino effect.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes. Because you don't want these older cops. Because what happens? They just get hurt and then they medically retire. They're, you know, depending on the state you work for to support them.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a tough job. Young guys get hurt and medically retire. Yeah. You got hurt.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, I mean, multiple, like disc issues in my neck, my back. And it's just from years because I worked all 13 years on patrol.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

So I was in a car every single day for 13 years. And it wears on you after a while, I think.

[Brent Tucker]

And here's the other I just ever. Like I said, everything's a domino effect. We started talking about that. So I want to say, well, if 21 or younger, you know, you first make it up like your first year, like, you have to be two up. But so, so few departments have the ability to be. To be two up. You know, it's. It doesn't. That doesn't. Briefs. Well, yes, but. But it's, it just doesn't play out well.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes. I mean, especially now, it's so hard. The recruitment is across the US Is law enforcement. Recruitment was down. No one wanted to be a cop anymore. Especially after George Floyd. And what we saw with my department in particular, you got a lot of people that they truly don't want to be police officers. They're like, hey, good pay, good benefits. Sign me up. I'm not going to make this my career. I'm going to do it because pays well.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. They're doing it in the military is the same way. And we, and we saw that the reason you joined almost says everything about, like, who you're dealing with and if you're going to join law enforcement for the benefits, you know, and just as a, you know, as a job, rather than what the job. Excited about what the job does. That's two different people. Two wildly different.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly. I. So I was at FTO for six years. I was a training officer. And I would always ask all these new guys, hey, why do you want to do this job? And when I got the answer, like, oh, I saw it paid well. I'm like, okay, this. I almost wrote them off, but it was the ones like, because I wanted to be a cop because I like taking bad people to jail. That was what I wanted to do. And when you don't have that answer, it's like, okay, you don't want to do this job for the right reason.

[Brent Tucker]

Which means you're not gonna do the job.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

They want the Stability. So. And then they're like, oh, so I don't have to do. You don't have to be proactive.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

Which means, man, they're not going to.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. And that's a huge issue because I would have trainees, and we'd be getting into tons of stuff, pursuits, making all these arrests. Day one off of training, they're parking in a parking lot, going like, did I not, like, instill this? And you, like, we did this every single day. And now you're just.

[Brent Tucker]

So as a 21 year old, how. How long. How long did you have an FTO assigned to you?

[Alex Duncan]

Six months.

[Brent Tucker]

Six months. That's. That's pretty. Is that. Is that. I'm. I don't know what this. Is. That. Is that usual. That the standard? How long do you guys. Is there a defined time, like, you have to have an FTO for this long?

[Tyler]

You as a trainer.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, you have them.

[Alex Duncan]

They.

[Tyler]

They go. A lot of them do different types of phases, whether it be a month or two weeks, and you go to. But, yeah, you spend, I would say, anywhere from four to six months.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, I think that's. I think that's a standard across. Like, in California, for sure, it's like six months. So you usually have, like, three or four different training officers during those six months.

[Tyler]

And you can never have enough training. I mean, I belong to people. Sometimes recruits get extended because they don't need to be fired, but they need to. They're not learning it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And they'll get all disheartened, and you're like, man, take it. This is two free weeks of extra learning. You're not on your own eating your choices. Right now. You have someone walking you through it. Yeah, I thought I told him it was a good thing.

[Alex Duncan]

Also, like lap. I. I actually like what LAPD does. So, like, your first six months you're training, but then you spend your next six months still working with the fto, but you're not, like, scrutinized like a trainee. So you get a full year of being with a training officer and partner, which I think that's very beneficial because, you know, six months, depending on where you work, you may get involved in stuff, but you may not. And then you're throwing out in your own welcome to the world.

[Tyler]

Are we pandering to the type of guys that are coming in that need, you know, like, it used to be LAPD and cop culture was. I mean, you see, I've seen the movies where they're, like, calling them boot and making, you know, it was a very earn your spot here. Like, almost like a military squad, right? And then now we're like, oh, well, you need more time. Like, you know, don't talk. Like, the fact that people can go, I don't like my fto. I want a new one. Even when I joined was like, oh, you're out.

[Brent Tucker]

Could you be like, I don't like my drill sergeant? Yeah, that's crazy.

[Tyler]

Jav. Team for life.

[Brent Tucker]

Tyler, how many critical incidents do you think we've covered so far in this podcast, man?

[Tyler]

At least five, six.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and they're not going to stop. You know, there's you, you cannot stop them all. So they're going to happen. And you really have, you know, two charters at that. Obviously, one is to stop them from happening, but since you can't stop them all from happening, you owe it to the people that you protect and depend on you to react to those situations in the most effective and efficient manner. And right now, really, whether, you know, you're a fire department, ems, law enforcement, you're stuck with essentially radios.

[Tyler]

And Apollo is the best way to manage resources during these events because it's designed by first responders for first responders.

[Brent Tucker]

It gives first responders a common operating picture which allows them to see where everybody is in real time, overlaid onto a map to see where they are. You can drop pinpoints and let them know where they need to go. And without constant talking on the radio, everybody knows where the incident is, where it's happening and where they need to be.

[Tyler]

And Apollo is an app based application. This is just download and go.

[Brent Tucker]

It's an app and so it works with androids, it works with iPhones.

[Tyler]

Apollo makes sure on the back end everything works and you can just plug and go. They handle all the licensing, all the encryption compliance, all the security. It's all handled by Apollo. It's crucial to know where everyone is and what they are doing in order to effectively control chaos in one of these either natural disasters or, or shootings or anything like that.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

You know, we talk about, you know, the. The. Because, yes, they're drastically difference. But there's so many similarities between.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, it's a paramilitary culture.

[Brent Tucker]

It really is. And. And the military hasn't been, you know, devoid of that as well. My little brother was a. A drill sergeant at A.I.T. no, when he was. When he did this, he was in. He was in the sergeant Major academy, and there was a basic training go on the same base, and some. Some. Some soldier was. Was jacked up in his uniform, and he goes to the sergeant major thing, which. And he's like, hey, hey. I think if I remember the story right, Drew, if you. If you remember the story better, you have to remind me. But he comes up and goes, hey, Private, come here. And, you know, addresses them, fixes them, since on his way, he gets told later, he goes, hey, you can't call him private. Like, that's. That's. That's derogatory. You have to call, like, the. The name that we use for them here is warrior. Oh. And my little brother's like, well, private is his rank, and a warrior is someone who's been to war. Yeah. And he is not. So I will not call him warrior. I will call him by his rank. But that's. That. That. You know, that culture. Hey, boot. Well. Well, that's what he is. And I'm sure you can't call him anything other than something. Something.

[Tyler]

He used to call us uplifting warrior, but it was condescending, like, oh, hey, warrior.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly. Oh, yeah, you. Yeah. When we were in. You don't want to be called warrior and basic training or AIT because something bad is about to go. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And I like the old culture because obviously that's what my dad went through. That's what I knew. So when I went through it, I'm like, I get it. This is just. You got to earn your spot, basically. And so we were very reminiscent of LAPD in the culture of how you treated trainees. So there are boots. They would wear a tie for their first year, usually, or six months. And then that became a thing a couple years ago. Why are you making these trainees wear ties? Well, it's because they haven't earned.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

Earned their spot yet.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And it's like, well, no, we're. You're hazing them by making them do that. Like that's, it's, it's too hot for them to wear a time like I wear long sleeves every day.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I'll show you not too hot.

[Alex Duncan]

It's like just deal with it for your six months and get over it. But now everything is just watered down hazing.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll show you hazing. So that way we know what words have meanings. Okay, that's, that's not hazing. An ironic thing about it not. It's getting less and less with this recruiting pool. But the good guys, the good guys want that because they know that that's. They, they showed up for something hard. They showed up to go through the rite of passage. They showed up because of the stories that they heard of and they, they want to be challenged.

[Alex Duncan]

Well, and then it means something.

[Brent Tucker]

And it means something. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And just this whole water. And then you're stripping away tradition, the tradition of what everybody else has gone through. Now you want to remove it. And we're kind of talking about like the culture of law enforcement is. There's almost no culture anymore because these agencies have stripped away the, like you feel like a family.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And that used to be how my department was. It felt like a family. When you were going through something, there was always people there that even been through it. But now people just show up, they don't care. They're just there to do their job, leave for the day, don't want anything else.

[Brent Tucker]

If you want to talk about restoring culture and this is just something that was, is a huge misunderstanding by the soft higher ups is that is actually part of your culture. Like if you want a family put, put people together through difficult times and that's where you get like you're bonding and so, and, and I do, I, I, I still have faith to some degree. And this younger generation, yes, like they are different. Every generation has its own, has its own challenges. You don't think the hippie generation weren't full, you know, I mean, but if you challenge, we don't even give them the option, so to speak, of facing something hard, dealing with it, and then cultivating them into something better. We just placate to them and they, they don't get that challenge. So that family, that culture, we, we could still have it, but it starts early and we've lost that early culture.

[Tyler]

When and when you make it too easy to obtain and you take away the. I don't know what you'd call that. The, the route you go to get there, like any unit loses its strength, the easier it is to get So, I mean, when you look at, like a. Like a cop, like, the culture was strong when it was difficult to become a cop and it was difficult to go through training and it was a difficult job, but it. The culture was super strong. Like, look at. I mean, I've talked about it before, but it's the easiest way. Look at, like the unit. It is the hardest group of people to be a part of, probably. And it's probably the strongest one still standing.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Even if the military becomes soft in general, there's things like that.

[Brent Tucker]

Someone has to hold the line. Yes, I. I got questions about Beverly Hills.

[Alex Duncan]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

I've actually been there before.

[Alex Duncan]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

But to say I've been there, that's such a, you know, I say to the sort of business thing, sit at a nice hotel. It was right by Rodeo, which I'm pretty sure is pronounced Rodeo. I don't know how you can tell the difference. Why, Just how you pronounce like that. Okay. And European or something. Yeah. And that. Yeah, I heard the stories and everything. You think, you know, that Beverly Hills is just over the top, ridiculous. And in that part of town. Of town. I was not. I was. That's what it was.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Ridiculous cars. I was like, man, I want to buy something here.

[Tyler]

My beard.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I picked up a tie. It was like a normal. It was like a 300 tie. Everything just ridiculous. I was like, oh, man. This. Like, the stories are true here, but I'm sure. But that's there. Like, tell us about the city. The city of Beverly Hills.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. So normally people think of Beverly Hills. They think of Rodeo Drive and the rich and famous people, and you have a portion of that. So.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

Anything like above Wilshire, these homes are. There's nothing under like $10 million, very expensive homes. But you go south of Wilshire, it's just all apartment living, kind of like any other major city.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

And the one thing that was interesting about Beverly Hills is our criminals didn't live in the city. So it's not like a la. You're living in the city, you're committing crime in your city. We had everybody coming from LA to commit crime because. Yeah. Who are you going to rob? Who are you going to.

[Tyler]

What?

[Alex Duncan]

Burglarize on la?

[Tyler]

So it's in la.

[Alex Duncan]

So it's still LA county, still the same problems, but it was kind of its own little island for a while.

[Tyler]

So the, The Beverly Hills that we know that we're talking about, what percentage of Beverly Hills is that? Is that like 2% or is it.

[Brent Tucker]

50 like the half.

[Alex Duncan]

The luxurious portion, 25% of it.

[Tyler]

Okay. So you have that, like, Miami down here. Miami is known for its touristy place and the hot nightclubs, but you go outside of that little pocket, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Most Miami is not Miami.

[Alex Duncan]

You know, when all these tourists would stop me and like, hey, where should I go? I'm like, well, you have Rodeo Drive, which good luck affording anything on there because it's so expensive.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

And they're like, well, we want to see people's houses, Mike, you could drive by them. You're not going to see anything. There's walls and gates up. So it's like.

[Brent Tucker]

Which is. Which is funny. All those rich people who. Who want to. Want to lean left and be open minded and don't want walls at our southern border have the biggest walls around it. Walls don't work. Then why do you have walls around your mansion?

[Alex Duncan]

Well, it's. It's also the left that wants to defund the police. Yet they use police services more than anybody else because they call instantly. Like, hey, I have a homeless guy sitting in front of my yard. Oh, this is.

[Brent Tucker]

There's a neighbor with a raccoon outside.

[Alex Duncan]

Talking about Beverly Hills. And like, the calls that we would get. These people are so out of touch with reality.

[Brent Tucker]

These are the stories I'm here for.

[Alex Duncan]

Because, I mean, we get calls. A suspicious person. What's suspicious? They're sitting in their truck. Yeah, that was a lot of them. They're sitting in a truck in front of my house.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

Anybody with common sense knows that that's a construction worker for the house being.

[Tyler]

Built next to you.

[Alex Duncan]

There's nothing suspicious about it. They got here early because of the traffic. Yeah, right. And they're just hanging out, so you're in their vest. And then they would get mad because I would just drive on by. I'm like, it's. It's a worker sitting there waiting for work. He's on a public street parked illegally.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. You don't own the street.

[Alex Duncan]

And then they would get mad. I didn't see the officer get out of his car and talk to this person.

[Tyler]

Oh, I love it. Well, that's a reason.

[Alex Duncan]

Why should I go talk to them when they're not doing anything wrong.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

That's like you want people to hate us more.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You are causing. Yeah, it goes back to. It's this. It's. It's a perpetual cycle that you're causing. And you probably don't, like I said, like, openly support police officers, but here you Are calling me, making me want to do something to piss off people, to hate police officers. It's just the irony. The irony is off the charts, off the charts out of touch.

[Alex Duncan]

I can't comprehend it because it just doesn't make sense to me.

[Brent Tucker]

Now, does that make policing hard in Beverly Hills? Because I'm generalize here. So unless you catch him in the actual, they're going back to LA and that's out, you know, out of your, your jurisdiction. So you can't really do anything about it, so to speak, unless you can catch them in the act.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. So as long as the crime occurred in the city, we could, we had like, we could go out to wherever we needed to to catch them.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

And like Beverly Hills in particular, they're very technology, like forward. So the whole city's covered in cameras, those ALPR cameras.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So we would get hits all the time on stolen cars coming. Because Beverly Hills is basically a pass through. Okay. You get off the freeway, you have to drive through Beverly Hills to get to like West Hollywood, to get to west la. So everybody's driving through. So we get these stolen cars all the time coming through. So we were chasing people all the time in la because Beverly Hills is only five and a half square miles, very small. So you're, you were constantly leaving, going out, chasing people outside.

[Tyler]

Was LAPD kind of like, did they always play the big man?

[Alex Duncan]

LAPD1 LAPD is here? Yeah, LAPD. So the sheriff department works very well with all the other local agencies, but lapd, they want nothing to do with you. So if like you have a, a crime that committed in your city and then there was a crime committed in la, okay. And you both show up. LA was quick to be like, we don't need any of you take off. We're gonna handle this like we don't want. We could call in 100 more cops from all across, you know, the city of LA to come support us. So it's kind of funny, but the sheriff's department, they'd be like, no, we need your help. Come like come support us.

[Tyler]

We'll see. Support you.

[Alex Duncan]

But LAPD is like its own world.

[Brent Tucker]

The you, you ever have any run ins with, with famous people, like being there in Beverly Hills or.

[Alex Duncan]

It's an odd question, but yeah, every now and then. And most of them were actually very cool, very respectful.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

There was, there was a few just like this person's just, they're in their own world, they don't understand anything that's going on.

[Brent Tucker]

I mean, you don't have to name them, but what was their name. But would their name be. If you did, I'll tell you, the.

[Alex Duncan]

Coolest guy I've ever met. The nicest one who comes off just like he does in movies.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

David Spade.

[Brent Tucker]

You know what? I'm not surprised about that. You know, who's come across as. As very. Like what. What's that saying? Like, if, if you're not a Liberal in your 20s, you have no heart, but if you're not a conservative by your 30s, you have no brain.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, there's. And there is, there's a little bit of truth of that. The, the, the age of it may, may. May vary. But David Spade's come out a lot, a lot more. I don't even want to make it like political, like conservative, but common sense. Like he. That's someone who's kind of aloof. And it's been in. You would think. And it's been, you know, rich, famous, running in different circles.

[Tyler]

I think they try not to go full Rob Schneider, like just below that.

[Alex Duncan]

Rob Schneider sure woke up to everything that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

Going on.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I'm not surprised that. But. And, and also glad, Glad to hear it. The one story I have, my one time at Beverly Hills. But, but it's. I saw it. Which either. Which either means how lucky I was to see it or how often it occurs. We were at some. Like, it wasn't on Rodeo, but it wasn't too far from it. And there was this like, big clothing store and I saw a bunch of people stop. A Tesla cyber, a Tesla model X suv. It's a hundred thousand plus vehicle. Four or five young black people, just. That's who they were. Run out with baskets, fill them all with clothes, run back in and take off. And there was a police officer right across the street. And I was like, hey, man, did you see that? And I was like, maybe he didn't see it.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And because I don't know. In fact, I'm only looking. I don't think he did. It happened pretty fast. And he was like, okay, thanks. I was like, well, I have. And I got their license plate. You want the license plate? Like, sure, if you want to give it to me.

[Alex Duncan]

Oh, great.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, what. What is going on here? Like, you don't. You don't care.

[Tyler]

Like maybe lunch.

[Brent Tucker]

Brent, that was crazy. You know that, that, you know that thing. Like, you know, some of those California politicians are like, hey, well people, we have to raise the theft limits like a thousand dollars because these people are just stealing Bread to eat. Yeah. And I'm like, well, the one I saw, I'm pretty sure they weren't stealing bread. They got out of their cyber, their Tesla Model X. Yeah. What are we doing here, guys?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I know. Florida raised it. I mean, and I get it. Raising it to. Because the Kate from petty theft to grand theft is a misdemeanor to a felony. They raised the amount because there was so many theft cases, they had to prioritize them. So they were like, well let's, let's make it. Instead of. I forget what it Sundays. Instead of 750, it's now thousand dollars to get to grant that value. And you can say like hey, my phone is valued at a, a thousand dollars. If you said $999. And I said, are you sure?

[Brent Tucker]

It's a mystery.

[Tyler]

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[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, the. The theft. So those run outs, they would happen pretty much weekly. We would have that. And that's all they did. They'd run in, steal a bunch of stuff, hop back in their car and take off.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And then I'm from. From the look of the price tags on all those clothes and, you know, if you think about a laundry basket each, they probably stole $10,000, like, retail value of that stuff. That's crazy.

[Alex Duncan]

And then overnight, we'd have people drive cars into the. Even on Rodeo Drive, they drive a car in through the window to smash it out, and they. They be in and out in less than five minutes. Just with these purses that are ten grand a piece. And they are. They're coming out with handfuls of them.

[Brent Tucker]

But, you know, in hindsight, now that you just said that maybe wasn't overly concerned because it's like there's. We have cameras everywhere. Like, you can give me the license plate. We. We have the license plate. You know, maybe just, you know.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. And that's where there's.

[Tyler]

That.

[Alex Duncan]

That's where the technology kind of came in to honestly not hurt us. But we usually just go after them right away.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

And then now you have supervisors that are, you know, lie. It's all about liability. It's like, well, we know we have them on camera.

[Brent Tucker]

Liability.

[Alex Duncan]

Got their license plate. So we'll just write up the report and go after them later.

[Tyler]

And, dude, I hate it. But as old as I get, as older it used to be. Chase it. Go, go, go. Get him in the act now. There's so much technology that when a crime's committed, the chances of catching them after the fact. And at the end of the day, have SWAT hit their house. If they're in. We can. They can monitor them. They can put units on them. They can identify them with cameras and. And license plate technology. And the whole, like, the liability of catching someone after they just committed it, where they're on heightened alert. They're in defense mode rather than getting them when they're not expecting it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, here's. Here's. Here's my devil's advocate to that, and oddly enough, I agree with you. But the amount of manpower it now takes to do that, and we're already with law enforce the hour with law enforcement's, you know, lack of manpower, like, you're now adding more manpower where one. One or two guys could have stopped it then. And I don't know really what. What the right answer is.

[Alex Duncan]

I don't know.

[Tyler]

The citizens have to be okay with paying for it or get us some cowboys out here, save us some dollars.

[Brent Tucker]

In fact, that's the right answer. That's right. Take it to the city council. Take it it to. Take it to the. Take it to the citizens and be like, hey, we can deal with it one or two ways. Yeah, how do you want it dealt with?

[Alex Duncan]

You either want your cowboys, go out there, stop these, you know, criminals in the act. Let's do it.

[Tyler]

And you set a precedence to criminals?

[Alex Duncan]

Yes. Like, hey, I can't go here because I'm going to get caught. Same thing with these police pursuits. Like, I, I love these pursuits. Right. It's fun. Like, I've probably been in 30 of them over my career. It's always fun, but most of the time they end up in bad crashes and, you know, people have died over it. Like random innocent people. And it's like, yeah, okay, I get that. Like, yeah, we're chasing a guy for some property crime and he just killed this family.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So I get that side of it. But at the same time, if you say there's agencies that have just gotten hands off, like, hey, we don't chase anyone. Well, what does that tell me?

[Brent Tucker]

That's.

[Alex Duncan]

It tells me if I'm a criminal, I'm gonna run, I'm get away.

[Tyler]

And then you. They'll somehow sometimes catch these people and they'll be like, why'd you run? Like, I thought that's what everybody did.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, you ran for a misdemeanor crime.

[Tyler]

I would have given you.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, yeah, you just created a felony over. You were just going to get a ticket for your misdemeanor arrest. And yeah, you just turn into felony.

[Brent Tucker]

So, you know, you talk about these, these cameras and how beneficial they are, and everyone is so concerned, you know, about big government and cameras and, you know, I, I don't like peop. There's. There's people that want to, want to fight it and I, I get it. Like, it is, it is intrusive, like into your personal life. And I can argue that. I can also argue, like, the fact it's like, well, if you're not doing anything wrong and it's on public property, like you, there's nothing you can do about it. There's a lot of benefit and, you know, I am for limited government. I can see how that can be a slippery slope, but I really don't. Yeah, I hate to not. Like, I'm a pretty opinionated guy and when I have opinion, you'll know it, but there are things like this I don't know the right answer to.

[Alex Duncan]

Same. Yeah, it's very helpful. But I'm the same way. Like, I Don't want to be surveilled everywhere I go, every time I walk out on the street and have my license plate recorded every time I drive through an intersection. But then it's like, but we are stopping a lot of bad people with it and it's leading to a lot of arrest. Same thing with like our cell phones. I mean that catches talk about what's.

[Tyler]

Catching these criminals nowadays is, it's an age old question. What would you rather have more of? Freedom or security?

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. You don't get both.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, you can't.

[Brent Tucker]

You really don't. I always thought it was real ironic the, the, the conspiracy theorists that are like, don't get the COVID vaccine because like they're gonna chip you. Like there's like, there's nano bots and there's chips. I can think of 20 reasons off the top of my head not to, not to get the vaccine. And that's, that's not one of them. But the same people who will tell you that carry a cell phone in their pocket and their face is recorded, their voices are always listened to. We have your location everywhere you go, everywhere. And, and you paid, you paid $1,000 for your chip. Okay. So yes, you know, let's not, let's not, let's not act like that's the other, like, you know, the other part of that. You, oh, you don't want to be surveilled because of cameras. You're already surveilled.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, you're surveillance.

[Brent Tucker]

Pay for it. You're your own surveillance. And, and you can't live without it, you know, so. Yeah, that's just the other like part of that is why fight it? It's here, so let's benefit off of it. But again, I just, I almost hate saying that out loud. It's, it's.

[Alex Duncan]

I, I hate it.

[Tyler]

Or they're sitting there chain smoking while they're telling you that they're not getting there. And it's like, or they're eating cheeseburgers five times a week while they're not going to get the.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, don't be a hypocrite either. Like, if you stand for it like that side, then go all the way with it. But don't like, don't be wishy washy like, oh well, you know what, I'm gonna smoke my cigarettes and. But that's going to be what kills me.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember the first time you saw your dad on the job or ran into him on the job or you know, or something of of that.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. So I think it was, like, my first deployment with a FTO on day watch because he was a motor officer for 29 of 34 years. So he rode a motorcycle for 29 of those years.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Alex Duncan]

And he showed up to one of my calls I was on. I was like, oh, this is pretty cool. Like, my dad's here, too. And then we'd go to lunch with him and stuff like that. So I'm like, so for the. I think his last four years, I got to work with him and see him on and off on calls, and he would show up to my calls or my traffic stops sometimes. So that was. That was a cool experience.

[Brent Tucker]

It's. It's a. It's a weird thing to be concerned about, but to some degree, like, you. It's your dad. You've called him dad your whole life, and he shows up, and how can you not be like, oh, hey, dad. And then be like, you know, keep it professional. I'm.

[Alex Duncan]

You know, I would always charge. I would always try to, like, ignore him on the actual call. And then when it, like, finished, I would go off and talk to him. I'm like, okay, I can't act like, you know, this is my dad here.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. So obviously, the opposite happened. Like, oh, he's here. I don't want to. You know, let me. Let me get as little time, because I can't mess up if. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

Then I was, like, ultra aware. Like, okay, I don't want to look like a fool now in front of my dad.

[Tyler]

Did they ever have any stupid rules where you couldn't. If you couldn't work in the same area?

[Alex Duncan]

No. So being a motor officer, you kind of had. And just. You could go wherever you wanted. And our department was pretty cool with that. We had actual. I think there was three of us that had fathers that were in the department.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay.

[Alex Duncan]

So they're kind of. They're cool with it, and. But then, you know, that's how you build.

[Tyler]

That's how you build a family environment. And your culture is you try to keep as many of those as you can. Father, son, where they both are happy.

[Alex Duncan]

You know, and they're bought into it.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And then they're gonna have sons that come in. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So, yeah. We couldn't talk about Beverly Hills Police Department without talking about, you know, and you'd already kind of alluded to it with the culture of it not being great. This will be news to everyone else. Not. Not news to you. They. They have problems. They. They voted a no Confidence. And. And their chief of police. Yes, that's what they do. Their photo. Yeah, I'll let you tell the story. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So the. The association got together and put out a vote, and there was a vote that they no longer had confidence in this chief. Yo. Basically to tell the city council, like, hey, we want him out. We've already done our vote. Are you gonna listen to us or not? Because this guy's not representing us. Well, he's created this poor culture and environment we're currently in. And the last I heard, it's kind of going nowhere. The city council.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what I'm afraid of.

[Alex Duncan]

Hands off on it. Like, no, we don't. It's all politics.

[Brent Tucker]

Politics. But I love, like, I love the move. You know what I mean? Like, you have to do something. And if. And if nothing else, like, you have brought awareness, like, hey, this. This guy's not good. Like, we. It's. Yes, it's. Who voted on the.

[Alex Duncan]

The association.

[Brent Tucker]

Association, right. And almost unanimously. And then they had. And I looked at. At the story, that high attendance and it. And it was overwhelmingly a vote of no confidence. I mean, yes, at the end of the day, it's just kind of for show because there's really nothing they can do about it. But, man, it's. It sends a powerful signal. It. It does. And if. And if more departments would do that on. Not for nitpicky, like, you better be a bad police chief. Yes, but that is. That is an option. Like, it really is.

[Alex Duncan]

Well, and it could be a way of like, hey, you think you're doing a great job? Look, your people don't think so. So maybe there's something you need to change yourself.

[Brent Tucker]

But.

[Alex Duncan]

And look inwards.

[Tyler]

But having people have accountability means that they would have to have accountability. And a lot of people are like, like, oh, this person. And any type of leadership role or managerial role, if everyone's like, how did this person get here? Then the people above them have to go, how'd we he get here? And I think it's kind of like just pretend that they're okay with it.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, the one thing you take away from them is if something happens and then. And then you as the police force essentially just call it. Which is what the association is. Right. It's. It's. It's your voice. As. As a. As a police force, it takes away the city council from going, oh, I didn't know there was a problem.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

How are we to know that? Like, oh, you know, like, you knew this. And they're so risk adverse. Which again, double edged sword. Right. They're so risk adverse, they don't want to do anything like fire the police chief, which they should. But now there's, now they're on the hook that if something bad happens, you knew about it. This is now balls in your court.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. Because they always want to play ignorance. But we didn't know. It's like, well, how many people had conversations with you until it's an email form.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And then they're like, okay, now we know about it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. So some of the things that, that came up in this vote of no confidence was concerns about leadership and direction. That's very general. Very general. But. And we've talked and that's, that's culture. Culture can be very general, but they do go into some, some more specific things. Arbitrary reassignment of sergeants from specialty assignments with no apparent reasons or justifications for doing it. Yeah, that, that is odd. Do you know anything like about those or that particular complaint? There's more.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, it was kind of one of those things. So our sergeants, if you got. It wasn't really a promotion, but as a sergeant, if you, after you worked patrol, if you wanted to go be the detective sergeant or sergeant of traffic, you'd put in a memo, you get selected, and you could stay there as long as you wanted.

[Tyler]

Lateral transfer.

[Alex Duncan]

And the chief wanted to have the discretion of just removing those people and placing them wherever he wanted. Wouldn't take their bonus away. But hey, you know what? I don't want you in traffic anymore. You're gonna go here. Or you know what? We don't even like what you're doing. We're just gonna put you back in patrol. You're gonna keep your bonus, but it's a way to. You're gonna be out.

[Tyler]

Oh, you don't want to do what we want you to do. You're gonna go back to control.

[Alex Duncan]

And that's what it is.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

It's a control issue.

[Brent Tucker]

The other one, which is odd, which is a focus on downsizing, I don't know, which is a weird allegation that you think a police chief would understand, you know the needs and would always fight for more police officers. I don't think you could ever have too many. I really don't. But for him to focus on it, I think is an, is an odd allegation.

[Alex Duncan]

So this is very interesting. And this is where the city was actually on board with it.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

So I want to say it was during, during the George Floyd stuff. The city had this bright idea like, hey, we're gonna, you know, our people want to see more law enforcement. Well, what if we go out and hire a private security company and have them drive around? So they hired this private security company who was in their. Their marked security vehicles, and they would park on random streets, be driving around, and the city started think, well, I don't need to hire more cops. Just hire more security. So that became a huge issue with us because it's like, no, we. We want more cops. We need more cops.

[Tyler]

Because security is cheaper.

[Alex Duncan]

Way cheaper. You don't have to pay benefits. You don't have to.

[Tyler]

You're paying for their training.

[Brent Tucker]

They also can't do anything.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly. So it's like. And then they were calling us all the time. Right. So security's calling us all the time for stuff we normally wouldn't even deal with.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

Hey, this homeless guy is doing this. It's like, okay, we don't have time for that.

[Brent Tucker]

Right, Right. Another thing that briefs well. But. But in application is. Is horrible. Right.

[Alex Duncan]

Like early.

[Tyler]

They tried to privatize law enforcement.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Still early in the game. But.

[Alex Duncan]

But that's the direction they're kind of looking ahead.

[Tyler]

They've already privatized medical services, and I place it like Detroit. Like, there's just contra. It's contracts now. They can't. They don't have enough money to fund.

[Alex Duncan]

And like, that's what it is. It's a cost saving.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

Because it's like, look, and liability wise, hey, it's not on us. It's on the security company. They did this. We just paid.

[Tyler]

And there's going to be an Eric Prince of the law enforcement world that's sitting and waiting like, I have a solution to your problem. You don't have any money. You have high crime. I have the best contracted former law enforcement officers that can come do the job for you at a good rate.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly. Well, we've seen it with fire departments, too. Like a lot of the California wildfires.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So like these rich suburbs, they would hire private firefighter crews to come in to protect their homes.

[Brent Tucker]

Good for them.

[Alex Duncan]

So it's like, I mean, people always find a way to make money.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, some. I know it's been going on for a long time. I don't know when I eventually found out about it, but it. It upset me. It still upsets me a little bit talking about, like, privatizing parts of the police force, which is like meter maids and parking tolls is. Is. Is completely private.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's to Me, that's kind of crazy. Like, how are you. You're a private company. You, you are completely incentivized to make money and you're giving out tickets.

[Tyler]

Red light cameras.

[Brent Tucker]

Red light cameras.

[Tyler]

That, and that goes back and forth. Every city debates that because somebody wins, you can't beat them. I've, I've seen where people try and fight them and they literally have video footage of you.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, because not just a photo, it's a video too.

[Tyler]

And they all have these stipulations where they don't have to put prove it to you, you have to prove it wasn't you driving. And you don't have a right to face your accuser.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly. That's why I've always been anti those cameras. It's, it's just a money maker for the city, dude. I think if you looked at the stats, I don't think the, like accidents and stuff go way down because of them. It's just a money making.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, this is. I had to look this up to make sure I was right. And this is where it gets even crazier. The city, Chicago basically sold. Now they're gonna buy. Well, we didn't sell it. We leased it. Don't play war games. They lease the rights to its parking meter revenue for 75 years to a group of private investors out of Abu Dhabi and the UAE for $1.15 billion.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's where it gets a little crazier. So the parking meter system in Chicago is owned by foreigners. Yeah, they sold it to them so they could get the immediate like revenue from it in the contract. This is where I hate everything about it. So if they close down the street for, let's say, a parade, there is going to be revenue loss because of the parking meters. And they have to pay that company tens of thousands of dollars. Whatever that, you know, those parking meters would have, would have brought in. So not only do they. Did they. Does a foreign entity for the next 75 years own it. Anytime they close it down, they have to pay them.

[Alex Duncan]

That's crazy.

[Brent Tucker]

To close it down.

[Alex Duncan]

I, I don't like anything foreign controlled, don't like public. And we're dealing with a huge issue right now. I don't know if you. I think Defense Secretary Hexseth came out and talked about it, but foreign owned land throughout the US so China owns. Yes, I think somewhere around 200,000 acres of land in Texas. And it's like, how in the world do we let an adversary of ours own farmland near military bases? This is common sense. Like, that should not be happening.

[Brent Tucker]

So it's almost unheard of anywhere else in the world for some. For a foreigner to be able to own land right. In a country.

[Alex Duncan]

I can't go to Mexico and own land.

[Brent Tucker]

Can't do it in Mexico. I can't do it in Colombia. I can't do it in Thailand. Almost every place I've been with the Sitlo foundation, sometimes we say in these places, and I think, oh, man. Wonder. Wonder if I should, like, buy a place here then, because it's really cheap and then Airbnb it out or something like that. And this is how I found this out. And every time I'd look into it, like, no, you're an American.

[Tyler]

You can't.

[Brent Tucker]

You cannot own real estate or land in this country. And I was like, that actually makes sense.

[Alex Duncan]

It does.

[Brent Tucker]

How do we. How can you own a piece of America and not be American? That is a. That is a problem.

[Alex Duncan]

It's crazy.

[Brent Tucker]

It's.

[Alex Duncan]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Brent Tucker]

Makes no sense. Go back on this. On the Beverly Hills pd, some other things. You know, he was criticized for being overly reliance on the Real Time Watt Center. And I think that that goes to something we talked about, but I think that probably ties into the focus on downsizing where an overly reliance. And to me, it goes. It also goes back to this. The similarities that law enforcement and military have that military can tell you this. And overly reliance on ISR has been a problem in the military. Like, it's not. It is not the same as boots on the ground. And that's the exact correlation is. It's great. Adds to the guys on the ground, but it is not a replacement for. For police officers on the ground.

[Tyler]

It's supplemental.

[Brent Tucker]

Supplemental, right. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So with that Real Time Watch center, that's where private security was working in, too. So they were monitoring the cameras. So you have private security right inside of the police department that's supposed to be like, restricted access, but now we're just opening it up to. We don't vet these people. We don't do backgrounds on them. The company just says, yeah, these are our guys. They're gonna sit in here and watch these cameras. And what really started happening is the newer officers were so reliant on them for information.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Alex Duncan]

That. And then these guys, they're. We're humans. So no one's gonna be perfect. They're like, hey, I'm exactly where you're telling me this car is. Where is it? Oh, actually, it left five minutes ago. So it's like, right, well I could have been looking way down the road where they're probably exiting the city. Yeah, but you were, you know, too slow on the camera.

[Brent Tucker]

Now I could be wrong on this, but everything, not everything, a lot of these seem, seems to be budget focused. And I'm not giving the, you know, the police chief some sort of pass. But I do understand like, yeah, as you get up in leadership position like you, you do have to deal with things that guys on the ground don't deal with. And he's to going and partner's like, well he's probably fight. Like all this seems to be budgetary related. He's probably fighting a budget and he has to work within a budget. And then I thought this is Beverly Hills we're talking about. Do you guys have a budget problem in Beverly Hills?

[Alex Duncan]

So that has always been a huge argument because we always have a surplus is never hurting for money. But they always want, the city council always wants to act like they don't have the money to pay for stuff. So you think we would have the best equipment, the best cars? Yes, we don't. And it's always because they nickel and dime all the small things. But yeah, like that's where it comes.

[Tyler]

Where I, I think you guys would be in marked up Ferraris.

[Alex Duncan]

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[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

Booth.

[Tyler]

I was here last year, exactly a year ago, and I saw one of the vendors had a booth like this and I was like, I have to see what they got. I went and looked at the thing and it said Go Go panels. I went and checked it out. Holy you. If you have any type of vendor booth setup, you need to go with Go Go Panels. And I'm not even just saying that. I promise you. I tried everything. I tried tables, I tried the big greats that you guys probably remember. My looked like a flea market, right. I go to gogopanels.com the best customer service. I talked one on one with them. They made sure I knew how to do everything. Although it's super simple, this is just plug and play. It's like a giant set for children. You just put it in the connectors. There's no screwing, there's no hammering, there's no nothing. And it sets up. There's no stands. And the whole goal of this is to build a store. You want to build a store for people to come into. And I've literally built a store with Gogo Panels. So guys, I know all you guys have companies just like me. If you're doing vending, considering Gogo Panels as your go to for your vendor setup. JV team for life. Here's a. Here's one thing. So I've never been to Beverly Hills, but I'm assuming there's a strip. Does that strip have the ability to all get together as a conglomerate and pay the city of Beverly Hills for more police presence? Because that's that the thing.

[Alex Duncan]

I'm sure they could.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

If they wanted to. You know, hey, we, we some form like taxation.

[Tyler]

This strip has all gotten together. We've created a. Essentially a big company where we now pay you assets per year. So now we expect you to have more cars here.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, I mean, that.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a good point, but what's the, the point you just made is, is the problem of police chiefs is that because they're appointed, they. They're really more politicians than they are police officers at this point. And, and I agree with you. Your job now is that, yes, is to fight for the boys. Still. Like, you still have to fight for the boys, and you have to tell the city council what they don't want to hear. And like, no, we need more funding. This is, this is the only way around it. Which goes to one of the things they. They said, which is they accused him of, is misrepresenting the current staff levels to the city council. And, and now you're not. Not only you not fighting for the boys. I'm assuming everything they said is true. So I have to say that, like, I haven't done a deep research into this, but if what they're saying is true. So I guess it'd be hard to fight for a higher budget when you're misrepresenting the current staff levels to the city council.

[Alex Duncan]

Correct. And that's right in the middle of their contract negotiation. So the association is in contract talks for their next contract. And one of the key things was, hey, our staffing is down. And they're like, well, no, it's not. You know, the chief told us you're at this number. Well, that number was counting everybody off on injuries, everybody off for different things, knowing that, playing with the numbers. Playing with the numbers because we know they're not coming back. And instead of just saying, hey, look, these people aren't coming back, we got to start looking ahead and filling these positions. It's like, no, no, we have. We have these numbers. It's like, no, we don't. And we could see it because everyone's getting forced hired to work extra shifts and come in when they don't want to. But.

[Brent Tucker]

And the last thing to put it on, we'll put a ribbon on this, which is hiring out. And this, this one chaps my ass, actually hiring outside candidates for critical command staff. I have a problem when outside entities are hired to be the police chief. I just think that's a bad idea. Like, how bad? One, like, how bad is your police force? It's a slap in the face to meet the police force. How bad is your police force that there's not a candidate here that can run it? Well, now we have. Now we have a really big problem. And two, how are you going to have someone that comes in and knows nothing about the city they're supposed to protect.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

So for the.

[Alex Duncan]

I want. I know at least the last 40 years, we have not had a chief from inside the department.

[Brent Tucker]

Wow.

[Alex Duncan]

So they've all been outside. They've all come from lapd. That's different areas. But the problem is. So they come in, and who do they go right to? Their captain. And usually, you know, and I think this goes across the board with most law enforcement. And it's. It's so sad, because most of the leadership at these departments, they're not those officers who know what's going on. They didn't work the streets. They. You know, their whole objective was to climb the ladder and get to where they are.

[Brent Tucker]

So it's the blind leading the blind.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. So they're so out of touch, and they come out with these policies like, this is ridiculous. This is never gonna work.

[Tyler]

This isn't Philadelphia 1988.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Beverly Hills in 2024. If you.

[Alex Duncan]

If you would have worked patrol long enough, you would know this stuff doesn't work. You know, you're creating an additional burden on your officers. But they. They're so out of touch. And I was telling him earlier, the best guy I ever worked for that was a captain. He did 18 years as a patrol officer before he started promoting. So he got it when he. And you would come to him with stuff, and he's like, that makes sense.

[Tyler]

I get it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

But this. It just falls on deaf ears. You'll tell him something like, yeah, but, you know, we're looking at it because of this way. I'm like, well, that's just not the real world. It's not right. But that's who's in charge.

[Tyler]

But. And that's. I mean, I've never thought about it the way you're looking at it, but, like, that's how every small agency around the country gets their chiefs as they. Chiefs retire from these giant places that hire from within. Like lapd. Exactly. They hire their chiefs from within, or they appoint them from within. But then once they retire, their next goal that they've already been setting out for years, that I'm gonna go work, I'm gonna go to the state I've always dreamed of living and be the police chief in some small town. Because I really don't think that small municipal. Municipal agencies exist for anything but people to make money. And when I say that is because Beverly Hills. And I could be wrong. And I'm not trying to sound like. I'm not trying to Take away from it. But at the end of the day, Beverly Hills could be taken over by lapd probably within five years, manpower wise.

[Alex Duncan]

Oh, easily.

[Tyler]

But it means a lot for Beverly Hills to have their own pd because they're able to tell the citizens of Beverly Hills, we police it the way you want us to police it. We don't have to rely on.

[Brent Tucker]

You have a vote on this.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes.

[Alex Duncan]

And they want, you know, higher level of service. You know, with LA being so big, or even with the sheriff's department, they take over a city, you're getting the same type of service because they're just.

[Tyler]

You're waiting a long time.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. Waiting a long time.

[Tyler]

In Beverly Hills, you're gonna have a way faster response time because you have dedicated officers to that area.

[Alex Duncan]

Oh, I mean, we, we get people complaining if even for like a simple report call, like, if you're not there within 30 minutes, they're calling back going, hey, where's this officer at? So they expect, like, if they have an issue, they expect you to be there immediately.

[Tyler]

In Los Angeles, you're lucky if they come.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. Deal with your own problem. If we have. If we have time will come.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, do you. And we'll move on to the next chapter, your life. You know, at some point you moved to Texas around. According to my research, you loved California politics so much. Like, you wanted to bring it to Texas. Because you're like. Because we're like, hey, you guys are too red. Let me show you the way. And you know, in a, in a. In a effort to turn Texas blue. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

According to my research, that's my biggest thing. I always tell people, it's like, I did not come to Texas to change anything. I came because I love these values. I love the freedom. Like, that's why I came. I'm not bringing any of this trash with me. Trust me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, but you act. You lived. So you brought your family to Texas. They lived. And you still worked for Beverly Hills for, for a time while you lived in Texas.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes. So I was going back and forth. I was usually doing two weeks on, two weeks off, just flying back and forth because the pay in California, nothing compares.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

It's still cost effective to get on these flights and go work. And now. And I would just stack it. I would work a bunch of overtime. Luckily, my parents are still out there, so I'd stay with them. So it worked.

[Brent Tucker]

But it still had to be tough, though. I meant to. Yeah, but you. I'm. I don't put words in your mouth, but I Mean, it's pretty obvious, like, like it was, seem to be a sacrifice you were willing to do to have your family lives live somewhere else.

[Alex Duncan]

Correct. I want to say, like, two years ago, I started going through, like, a hard period in my life where it was before I found Christ. Like, I was always a believer in God, but never had a relationship. Never lived my life like that.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

And, you know, I think it was just a combination of the culture and just very angry. And then, you know, I wasn't good to my family, like, hurt my wife and everything. And I'm like, there needs to be a change. I found God. And it really just transformed my whole life. Like, I used to live for the job, I think, and live for striving for things that really didn't matter. And it was when I found Christ, I was like, man, this is, this is it. I finally feel what I was always looking for. I feel fulfilled now. So I really changed a lot about my life. And I was like, you know what? We need to, we need a good change. We need to go somewhere that has family values, you know, still has God at the center of everything. Like Texas. Like, man, God is like number one there still.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm slightly confused though. Was, was, was Florida full? I mean, why, why?

[Alex Duncan]

Florida was another option.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. All right, all right. Well, we're on the option list. Yeah. I hate to say it, like, it really is kind of like, to me, like, one of two. Like, I, I, I really can't see myself in Texas or, or Florida.

[Alex Duncan]

It's got to be Texas.

[Tyler]

Beautiful. But I, I, California is definitely for visiting.

[Brent Tucker]

It's for visiting.

[Tyler]

It's beautiful. And the pop culture surrounding California is awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

And the food.

[Tyler]

Driving down the interstate, you're like, that's the Hollywood sign. I've seen that every, in every movie I've ever seen. But, you know, and I'll tell you.

[Brent Tucker]

I, I visited Anaheim once and I, I literally, I walked around almost, and I haven't gotten kind of excited, like, very political till, like the past couple years and get off on that tangent. But and thinking, like, how beautiful California is. Yeah, California's. I know it's such an old person thing to say, like, the trees, like, the trees are amazing. The mountains, the coast, the beach, the weather. It was summertime. I was in a hoodie, walking around at night. Like, it's just a beautiful, beautiful place. And kind of being upset and being like, your politics ruined this beautiful state.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes. I mean, the entire west coast, even Oregon and Washington, beautiful places, but just politics have ruined it ruined it. And when you're starting a family, like, our kids were young, they were two and three when we moved. And we made that decision because it's like, we cannot raise our kids here. I do not want them ending up like these kids we deal with all the time. Like. Like, we need to find somewhere that has the same values as us because. And it's terrible because it's beautiful, but just ruined.

[Brent Tucker]

Where'd you end up moving to? In.

[Alex Duncan]

In Texas, Just outside Fort Worth.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

I needed to be close enough to the airport still. I wanted to be out. Out in the rural area, get some land.

[Brent Tucker]

It's been.

[Alex Duncan]

And it's been amazing. Like, the people in Texas, by far the nicest people I've ever met in my life. Like, where they take being a neighbor, like, that's. They're neighborly people. Like, you need help, I'm there to help you. It's great.

[Brent Tucker]

It got in my algorithm. I must have watched too many videos. I don't even follow this page. But now it's in my algorithm too much. And it's this, like, town that's like 30 minutes outside of Houston, and it's this realtor that keeps on showing these beautiful homes. It was like, would you like to live in this 4, 000 square foot with a pool, five bedroom, all granite marble place for $500,000? Yeah. And I sit there and I watch it. It's just an amazing house. And I'm like, on three acres of land. Yeah. I'm like 500, 000. Like, oh. Like that's a two million dollar house here in Florida. Like, it's just crazy.

[Alex Duncan]

The only issue is the property taxes in Texas. They're a lot higher. So. And that's been a problem.

[Brent Tucker]

You're 100 disabled. Do they take with taxes?

[Alex Duncan]

Move to Texas because veterans, Veterans get a good benefit over in Texas. There's a lot of benefits for veterans.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't need one more reason to. To look at those videos even more every time it comes across. Like, I get that in Texas for 400,000.

[Tyler]

Can Andrew hear a podcast?

[Brent Tucker]

You remember, I want to get in, like I said, the next chapter life. And you move into Texas, obviously is, is. Is a part of that. And you are running for Senate. What? In fact, we'll back up a little bit. And really, it wasn't until I started like, you know, digging in this little. That we said it on the podcast a lot. And I don't know why I haven't said their side of it where I Was like, I. I want more veterans in. In Congress and in politics. I do.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Not saying all veterans are great, but I see who's in Congress right now, and I think veterans can do a better job. You know, I think it's a better option.

[Alex Duncan]

Eli Crane got Morgan Littrell from Texas in there.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, yeah, we still have our Dan Crenshaws, but that's okay. We're not. We're not perfect. But as a group, I think it's a better pool to pull from. And I've never actually said we need more law enforcement and politics in Congress. And I think that's. I think that's just as vital. I think it's. I'm almost embarrassed that. That. Especially on this podcast. I don't think we've ever said that. That.

[Tyler]

No, I don't think so either. We've talked about veterans, but.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. I think veterans and law enforcement. Because you actually bring real life experience.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

You see how these policies actually.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly.

[Alex Duncan]

People. So the veteran angle, especially with international relations, like, who better than someone that's been overseas knows what's going on, knows what our military needs.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

Those are the people that should be making decisions.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

And then like law enforcement, who's worked the streets, who knows how these policies are going to trickle down. Yeah. Affect people like these.

[Brent Tucker]

So you have the external effect and the internal effect of, you know, of policies, and that's who we need to fulfill or have more representation of.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Look what's on the news. It's always global conflict and criminal stuff. That's criminal.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

That's always. So you have veterans that can say, hey, we do not need to be in this conflict. Or. And then you have people with prior law enforcement that say, this is how, you know there's this much crime going on. This is how we handle. I've seen this before.

[Brent Tucker]

This is why it's happening.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Politicians don't understand the why. They really don't. If you don't understand the why, how can you put forward some sort of legislation, policy, or even advocate for a fix to it if you have the why wrong.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly. And especially most of these politicians, most of them are attorneys. They go to law school, work for some firm, and then their whole goal is to be a politician.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Alex Duncan]

We don't. We don't need that. We need people that never wanted to be a politician, but they're just fed up and they go, hey, I want to serve. I served my. Either my country or I serve my community now. I just want to take it to a higher stage and actually put it into real practice. That's who we need it is.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, you threw a stat out that's that was mind blowing to me earlier and hopefully I can throw on that's equally mind blowing. And the one you said earlier was you don't think Beverly Hills has had a in like a promoted from within the chief for 40 years. Did you know the state of Texas has not put a Democrat in office on a statewide election so essentially a federal election for 30 years.

[Alex Duncan]

That's right.

[Brent Tucker]

For 30 years. I say that to say this, it's yes, it's a little older, it's a couple weeks ago. But I'll tell you the reason why here in a second the incumbent John Cornyn trails the state AG Paxton by 16 points. Trails them by 16 points. And Paxton when and these mock polls when put up against a generic Democrat loses. So the guy in the lead, I won't say right now because I'm coming out here in just a second but this is like 10 days ago. Some things have happened since then. But yeah, but the guy trail, the guy in the lead right now is going to lose if that's right to a Democrat. And that hasn't happened in Texas in 30 years.

[Alex Duncan]

I know and I saw the same thing and I couldn't believe it because Paxton has been a great attorney general. He was one of the reasons when we're going to move to Texas we're like, hey, this guy's solid. Like he's fighting Biden on all these things. He's winning these cases. Like this guy is really a conservative.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

He's not this fake Republican. Like he's done great things for the state and when I saw them like how is he going to lose to a Democrat? Like and then I don't know if you've heard who's now potentially going to try to run for the Democrats, but it's Jasmine Crockett. Who's that?

[Brent Tucker]

No. Oh.

[Alex Duncan]

Just YouTube.

[Brent Tucker]

Like oh my God.

[Alex Duncan]

Because you will lose your mind.

[Brent Tucker]

I did not know that. I wish I would have. We'd have, we'd have had some clips pulled up on who Jasmine Crockett is. She's just an absurd loud. She's so opinionated and doesn't know what's and it gets proven time and time again how wrong just lies about everything.

[Alex Duncan]

In just race baiting anti American. But now she's throwing her name out there, possibly running for the seat. I'm like that would just destroy the state.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh well while we're talking about Paxton. And, and you said that. And this is. And I, I intentionally kind of didn't dig into this. And this isn't like, I got you thing. You're there. You're the. No, I have questions for you. So Paxton was charged with bribery and corruption in 2023 and was impeached. Correct. Okay. That being said, he was later acquitted for those. I just have questions for that usually. And don't, don't get me wrong, I, I'm gonna say this, like, I don't know how it can happen. I have some, some answers how it could happen, but if you're impeached and you're brought up with charges, usually like, other attorneys aren't going to take this to court if they don't have nothing. Right, Right. So how, like, how did, how did that happen? And then he was acquitted for it. So they either did have nothing. There's a story there. Like, what is the story with that?

[Alex Duncan]

I think of a lot of it was political.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

And of course, money's always involved and who knows what actually happened and why they did it. But he was acquitted, so obviously they didn't have enough of anything to go after it. But who was a major proponent to push that impeachment? John Cornyn.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

So. And he was in line with the Texas House, who he got a bunch of support from, which that's a huge other issue right now in Texas is the Texas House. It's full of, you know, Republicans, but just, they're not. The Democrats are kind of controlling the Texas House right now. So that's a whole other issue. But they were a big proponent on impeaching him because they didn't like what he was doing. So kind of. Kind of. Same thing with Trump. We don't like what you're doing, so we're going to use the system.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly. Right. Yeah. Of course, the, the polls I cited were less than two weeks old, but I'm sure if they did these polls again, and they may have. And you may have these numbers, but I've changed because Paxson is now also had some issues with a messy divorce and a mistress. And this isn't me trying to, like, stir up dirt and, you know, pit people against each other. I mean, these are. But these are things that. It happened.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's going to affect, you know, the, the polls. Do, you know if that has affected the polls yet?

[Alex Duncan]

The polls haven't come out yet. But everything I've seen on social media, there's still a lot of support for Paxton.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

Because it's, it's.

[Brent Tucker]

It.

[Alex Duncan]

We're all humans. We're all gonna make mistakes from what I've.

[Tyler]

Personally or unintentionally.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, either one.

[Brent Tucker]

But Tim Kennedy response. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

As long as. If I'm always saying, if there's somebody that repents and they own their mistakes, I'm not going to hold that against the person because, you know, people can change. Like, I'm an example of that. I did a lot of horrible things over my life, but I came to the realization, like, I can't do this. God is here. I submitted in.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

It was just total submission to God. So I could. If it worked in my life, it could work in other people's lives.

[Brent Tucker]

Right?

[Tyler]

Yeah, but that's politics. If you, if you made a mistake in your past, it's just gonna be brought up and.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

For everyone.

[Alex Duncan]

But the thing is, just own it. Just say, yeah, I did that. Like, I'm sorry. I should never have done these things. I've changed my life. If more people did that, there would be more respect for, for the office. But so many people want to just excuses, you know, it's like, if you just were real and just owned what you did, more people are willing to forgive you.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Yeah, I. I have to say this a lot, you know, and. And Tyler's had to deal with the same thing, but it doesn't really matter if it's. If it's a business, if it's a podcast, if it's running for politics. You have competition. That's right. And, you know, and these, these are your competition. But I've always said, hey, like, we're not going to build up our brands by pushing down other brands. We're just going to tell you how we're different generically and what makes us better. So, like, that's, that is. That's your challenge. And what's, what's. What's your answer to that?

[Alex Duncan]

So kind of like we were talking about, it's like, do we want the same old politician that's different name, same suit going in there, that they have a legal background, but they've always, you know, their drive was for office for, you know, either it doesn't matter what office, any type of elected office. Was that your motivation? Or do you want someone that is not a career politician, but has worked, but just wants to continue serving? And that's where I'm coming from. Like, look, I worked for 13 years as a police officer for a radical leftist state. I know how these policies come down. And what they do.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And I just want to serve. I'm not looking because I don't want the title of senator. I just want to serve in another capacity.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And that's what I'm looking to do. So it's like, if you're sick and tired of the same old politician, then let's start getting in these veterans, former law enforcement people that just have a heart for service.

[Brent Tucker]

I agree. I really. I really do agree. Of course, it'll be an uphill battle, as I'm sure you're both aware of and, and welcoming you, you know, you got into. So it's not like, you know, you wanted. You wanted the challenge, you know, you know, corn has got like, $8 million in the bank, and the super PACs haven't even thrown in, you know, their. Their money out waiting to see what's going to happen. It takes money to win these things.

[Alex Duncan]

A ton of money. And that's another problem with politics, is.

[Brent Tucker]

It's. It is.

[Alex Duncan]

The problem is money. Money controls everything. It's like, you could go in there with. And that's why I'm a huge proponent on term limits. We got to get. Let these people go in, serve, and not be corrupted by these lobbyists in PACs, because they ultimately control everything.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

You could have a certain mindset, but, like, oh, it's just gonna hurt me politically when I run again. Okay. I'm gonna vote this way.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Alex Duncan]

It's like, it shouldn't be about that.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, the one thing I wanted to bring up is, yes, Trump had a few big donors, but the amount of money that Trump raised on $50 and under which they consider the grassroots funding was. Was insane. Yeah, he. And. And that's something I want to bring up to. To our audience. I want you to succeed like I do. Christian law enforcement, you know, the right reasons. And yeah, sure, you can't fight super PACs. Well, say. I say that, but that. Or people will think that, but that's absolutely not true. If enough people did that type of, you know, $50 under donation goes a long way. Like, and, And. And success begets. Once you get that momentum and it gets more momentum. Like, it. It really is a thing. And. And we want to be a part of that.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, that's great. I was just going to say the podcast thing we saw with Trump, he capitalized on the podcast because it allows you to see people in, for the most part, as a real, genuine person and not these scripted TV interviews where we're gonna sit down. I'm gonna have my answer already coordinated of what I'm gonna give. And it's like people just want someone real.

[Tyler]

That's. And that you saying that. Correct me if I'm wrong, Brent, have we had any politicians on as a guest.

[Brent Tucker]

Not as a true guest.

[Tyler]

We had Dan Crenshaw come on remotely and speak about specific. A specific topic. But it was not. And that was on a live. And there's a different animal. I don't think we've had Apollo because we stay away from it. Yeah, we. When it was. When you were brought up by. I want to say, I want to say it was Justin or I don't. I can't remember how you brought. But I, I, as soon as I looked into you, I was like, former law enforcement. We need more of this. Like, why. Why are we not funding this?

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, that's what I always say too. Like, even if it's not me, I just want to see more former law enforcement, former military get involved because that's how the change starts. We just need people to get involved. I think I said it on Justin's show, but I had a FTO tell me, hey, don't complain about things unless you're willing to step up and make the change. So that's what really drove me is like, hey, I'm very opinionated. I got a lot of things, but I'm not going to just sit back and complain and watch it go nowhere. Like, I'm going to throw my name in the hat. Yeah, it's up. No battle. But if I don't do anything, I'm just sitting there and.

[Tyler]

Yeah, and the one difference between law enforcement and what you're doing now is that you. I mean, I know you're somewhat limited. We talked about financially and exposure and things, but at the end of the day, the more you put into it, the more you're going to see success. Where in law enforcement, you could be the best candidate for a leader and you're just never going to get it it right because they don't want you.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly. That's a whole different beast. You should, you should try to get Eli Crane on your show. His name came out of Arizona. Former seal.

[Tyler]

I've heard it.

[Alex Duncan]

He started that bottle breacher company.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, the bottle breacher company that, that became famous on off of Shark Tank. Yes, that's right.

[Alex Duncan]

He's great. What's his name? Eli Crane.

[Brent Tucker]

Eli Crane.

[Alex Duncan]

He's a representative out of Arizona. But he's. He's one of like the guys that's like, yes, this is what we need. This is who we need in there.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Alex Duncan]

And he had both angles, you know, veteran business owner, so he was able to incorporate a lot of that.

[Brent Tucker]

The. Yeah. You know, we talked about donating, and. And like I said, it's not all about money, but it's about money at.

[Alex Duncan]

The end of the day.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I work again, I've said I work for the Sentinel foundation, you know, rescuing kids. And it's tough to talk about it. Like, you ain't rescuing kids without money. Like, you have to talk about money. It's not all about money, but it is. It's about money. So please go to duncan4senate.com.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And you can. You can donate there and just let you know. I will right after this show. It's already on my phone. I will personally go there and donate money to the cause and I'll put them. I will put my money where my mouth is, and I will. I will. You know, you can. You can vote for change with. With your wallet. You can. That's. In fact, that's. That's. I think it's the most effective way for change.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. Especially with these grassroots campaigns like we were talking about. It's all about name recognition, and that's where the money has to go, is getting your message out, especially statewide. And it's, you know, the commercials, social media advertisements, people vote for what they're.

[Tyler]

Comfortable, what they know. Like, you go, and if you don't. If you know a name and you're like, I don't have any issues with this, and they don't know who the other name is, you're naturally going to vote for.

[Alex Duncan]

Well, and that's where people need to get more involved of actually researching stuff themselves. Like, you hear a name and you just know, oh, hey, Cornyn, he's been in office since 2002. Say he's a Republican.

[Brent Tucker]

Right? So I'm gonna see the R next to his name. Yeah, they know the name.

[Alex Duncan]

But if you. If you dive into this person, be like, wait, this guy's a Republican. Like, there's. There's no way he's voting for gun control. He's. You know, that's where it comes down to. It's like, so people research stuff yourself. Like, you can't rely on the media to just tell you what you want to hear.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. So, you know, the, The. You mentioned already, like, the. The podcast aspect of it is. Is a way to get your name out.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

In a weird way, like, I think you said this, Tyler, like, podcasts is the new like news channel or it's new entertainment. Like I watch so little TV now I don't like. I remember just use. I used to have Fox News on the background all the time. Or I'd sit down, I would watch a show. I don't. You know, everything's either streaming. So I pick the shows I want to watch when I want to watch it or I listen to the podcast I want to listen to when I want to listen to it or while I'm traveling. So the podcast thing is, you know, is definitely a pillar of that. But what's your other. What's your other ways and plans? You have to get that name recognition.

[Alex Duncan]

So I have a kind of getting a very good following on X and that's like. Especially for politics. It's like everybody's on there every day and that's gaining a lot of traction where I've actually gotten the ear of Paxton senior advisor. So stuff starting to work. I didn't think like I'd be even my name would even be mentioned in this circle.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And people are starting to catch on. So I think. But I think social media is. Is it right now it's social media and podcasts are where people are seeing the message. It's where people are getting to know these candidates. And I think if Moro to actually go on it and just. I can't stand script like. Like most of these politicians, their staff writes their tweets and everything and it's like you could tell. But like Trump is a perfect example. It's like, no, this is, this is like the clearest day.

[Tyler]

Take his phone away for the day.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

But there's something for refreshing about seeing that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. It was really embarrassing when. When the Biden's press secretary got caught not switching the social media account and putting out a post on Biden's account and she thought it was the other account. Oh yeah, it was.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Brent Tucker]

It was embarrassing. Like you guys, you guys are propping them up in every way possible and you know, you've done a good job of it and. And again, I do. I know it's cliche to do, but I blame the media. Like it's, it's all. It was all in front of their face and they just refused to report about it or care about it.

[Alex Duncan]

It even goes worse. Did you see the congressional hearing with his physician the other day? No, he just played the fifth almost every.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So it's like how much cover up what's going on with this administration where your own physician is Taking the fifth. And of course he's using, you know, HIPAA patient, you know, confidentiality. But it's like, well, were you deceiving the people? Because you clearly knew that he wasn't.

[Brent Tucker]

Right talking about deceiving the people. Whether it be like the Democratic politicians that went on constantly on a barrage and be like no, he's, he's as sharp as he ever was. He's, he's a leader. He's great. Like don't worry about his health. And the same talking puppets on the media saying the same thing only to find out later definitively he was not okay.

[Alex Duncan]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

He wasn't even signing. He wasn't even charge of anything in, in the Oval Office for months. At the end, in fact his son was there making decisions.

[Alex Duncan]

Auto pin, auto pin.

[Brent Tucker]

It's, it just, everything just reeks of and what we already knew. Where is the, where is the, the you know, the outcry or taking responsibility of these people intentionally lying to us. And there's no, like, there's, there's no you know, downfall from that. You can just say whatever you want, lie about it and, and it's okay.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah. So I always think like going back to. I'm sure you worked with like the FBI on certain cases and everything, but if you lie to the FBI.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

You can't lie to a normal police officer. You can lie all you want to me as a police officer. Nothing happens. You lie to the FBI, you're going to prison. Yeah, no doubt about it. But why can our elected officials lie with.

[Brent Tucker]

You can lie to American people.

[Alex Duncan]

With impunity.

[Brent Tucker]

With impunity, absolutely.

[Alex Duncan]

So it's like why aren't they held to the same standard?

[Brent Tucker]

It's a good question.

[Tyler]

It's got to stem from the same type of thing where they, they're not subject to slander as far as to each other and from each other. You know you got literally just making make up shit about you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, right.

[Tyler]

And there's nothing you can do about it.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, yeah, I said this just the other day and I really believe it. We can complain about the politicians all we want and we have a right to complain about them. They're horrible. They're horrible. But if you look one layer deeper in that the pol. How dare we blame the politicians. They didn't force their way in there. They didn't just, you know, they're not royalty. They didn't get it because they're bloodline like a king. They were voted in by the American people. So if you don't like your politicians, America, we're to blame. It's us. We're the idiots. You know, I say that tongue in cheek, you know, but so vote for people. Like vote for change. I know that sounds like so cliche, but that, that is the answer to it.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, well, a lot of people think, oh, my vote doesn't matter. No, it does, especially in the primaries. That is where, that's where you get your good candidates and you got to look at these people in the primary, research them yourselves and look at what they stand for. And that's where you can make the changes in the primary because that's who you're going to put up against whoever, and that's where you're ultimately going to get an offer office.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a great point because yes, it always could change. But let's just talk about the seat you're going for right now. And the state of Texas again hasn't, haven't lost to a Democrat in three decades. So whoever wins in the primary is almost a shoe in right to go all the way. So. And your vote absolutely counts in the primaries, and that's a great point.

[Alex Duncan]

And most people don't vote in the primaries and that's what that's hurt.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And that's why we get.

[Brent Tucker]

By that time, it's too late. That's right. By that time it's too late. That's your only choice now. And now you're, you're voting between the best of the worst, essentially. Yeah, that's a great point. People of Texas, please get out, vote in the primary. Don't take our word for it. Look up Alex Duncan for yourself. You weren't hard to find. You weren't hard to research. You're out there. And now you're on podcasts, you're on Wikipedia.

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, I just want full transparency. Like, that's another thing with politics. Just be transparent.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

If you stand for something, stand for it. If you have an opinion, give it. And if people don't like it, okay, people don't like it. But yeah, don't shy away from what your beliefs.

[Tyler]

Nobody respects a man that doesn't have a stance.

[Alex Duncan]

What is that saying? You either stand for something, you stand.

[Brent Tucker]

For nothing, or you stand for nothing. Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a. Odd story, but I remember, but, but my grandfather's to me, the greatest man that ever walked this earth in our, in our lifetime. And we were working in a feed store that he started and this guy that was a customer of ours, I'm like putting his feet. And he starts ranting, raving about how my grandfather's a bad dude. Never heard anyone talk about bad about my grandfather in my life. I was probably 15 or 16. Still is even strange to me at the times. Like, why would you talk bad to me about my grandfather, like in a parking lot, you know, What a weird thing to do. You angry, man. But. But I want my grandpa. I was like, that, daddy. Like this, this dude said all these things about you. Like, why would he say that? And he just laughed because, well, there's a couple people don't like me. He's like, but you know what? If everybody likes you, then you don't stand for anything. And I, I'm 45 and I still remember that conversation with my grandfather. And it's rang more true and more true the older I am. It's such a weird thing to say, but somebody has to dislike you, right? Don't get me wrong. Not a. If everyone dislikes you, you're the a hole. You know what I mean? But someone has to dislike you somewhere or else you stand for nothing.

[Alex Duncan]

Exactly. It's funny. I saw, I think it was a David Goggins on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he said, you'll never meet a hater that's doing better than you. So it's like, yeah, if you don't, if you don't have haters, you're not doing something right because I got a.

[Tyler]

Couple.

[Brent Tucker]

Then we're doing great. Well, Alex, the. I'll. I'll leave the, the last part. I got one last question for you, but until then, the. The floor is yours. What do you want to say?

[Alex Duncan]

You know, my biggest thing is I'm doing this because I, I love this country, I love the state of Texas, and I just want to protect Texas because, you know, the left is after it. We have a rise of Islam in Texas, which is a whole other issue. We get on, but we need to really protect Texas because I've always said it, if Texas falls, America's going to fall with it. And I just want to serve. I bring, you know, real life worked experience into this position. And I'm doing it for the right reason. I'm doing it because I just want to serve the people and serve this country in a different way.

[Brent Tucker]

Well said. We're doing it for the right reasons, too, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have an anti hero friend as a senator.

[Alex Duncan]

That'd be pretty awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. The. No, we would never call you for anything outside of pure professionalism the last question of the podcast is, do you have a funny story for us?

[Alex Duncan]

I mean, there's a bunch of them trying to think of which one would be the best.

[Brent Tucker]

We've had some people. It comes right to them. Like, oh, yeah, I got one. We've had some other ones. That takes a little bit. If it's too long of a dead time, we'll edit it out. But we're. We're ending this with a funny story.

[Alex Duncan]

I'll do a funny story about a train trainee I had.

[Tyler]

That's gonna be funny.

[Alex Duncan]

So.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Alex Duncan]

Yeah, this is a good.

[Brent Tucker]

Wait, hold on. Like.

[Tyler]

Oh, a trainee.

[Alex Duncan]

A trainee. So a police officer.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, okay. Different. Sorry, go ahead.

[Alex Duncan]

Oh, both.

[Brent Tucker]

Both would have been funny.

[Alex Duncan]

So I. I get this guy, I think, for his. I think for his third phase, his last phase, which he should not even have been at his third phase. So my first day with them, first hour of the shift, we go out, and he's like, I'm gonna pull this car over.

[Tyler]

All right?

[Alex Duncan]

Pull it over. Who cares? It's some grandma driving this, you know, old car. But sure, that's a good stop.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. Get your feet good.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So he gets out, and I look over. I'm like, this dude doesn't have a magazine in this guy. Oh, God. And I'm like, when should I tell him? I'm like, obviously this isn't a safety issue, because I could see clearly who we're talking to, right? I'm like, I'm just gonna let it play out.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

So he. He does this whole thing. He's like, Comes back. He's like, I'm gonna write her a ticket. You're gonna give this lady a ticket for registration? For it being a month expired? Like, really? Say, I think there's some bigger issues you got going on. And he's like, sir, I go, are you missing something.

[Brent Tucker]

Besides the point?

[Tyler]

I guess. So what is it?

[Alex Duncan]

No. I'm like, you sure about that? And he's like, now he's checking his uniform, right? No, I don't think so. I'm like, you don't have a magazine in your gun? He's like, oh, what? So then this turns into a whole debacle because he's like, no, no, I had it this morning. I had it.

[Tyler]

Oh, no. Where is it?

[Brent Tucker]

Where is it?

[Alex Duncan]

Okay, you had it this morning? He's like, yes, I took it out of my locker. He's like, it was in my locker, and I took it out and I checked it, and I put it back in my holster. I'm like, you sure? I'm like, did you take this gun home? No.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. You sure?

[Alex Duncan]

He's like, yes. Okay. Go back to the department. You're gonna have to search everywhere for this thing, right? And then this guy comes strolling in. He was like, a friend of mine. And he's like. He's just laughing joke. He's like, yeah, I came up on an extra mag the other day. Got an extra magazine? Yeah, Yeah, I found it in one of the cars. When did you find this? He's like, like, oh, like a week ago. No, wait, wait. You found this a week ago?

[Tyler]

Going a week?

[Alex Duncan]

He's like, yeah, I've had it for a week. He's like, because they switched to a new gun, and they would only issue you three magazines unless you bought your own. So he had the department gun. He's like, oh, God.

[Brent Tucker]

Cool.

[Alex Duncan]

I got an extra mag for free. I'm like, hey, I think that's my trainees. I'm like, what car did you get it out of? And it was his old fto.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Alex Duncan]

And I'm like, man, this dude's been walking around, he's been going on multiple calls without a mag with one round in his gut.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. And now we have a possibly, like, integrity violation.

[Alex Duncan]

Yes. And. But I just remember, I'm like, okay, that. That's one for the book.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Can't have that. Can't have that. Is he doing well?

[Alex Duncan]

No, he didn't.

[Brent Tucker]

He didn't.

[Alex Duncan]

That was, like, the final straw. If you didn't know you didn't have a magazine, you're going to. First straight week, you thought you checked.

[Brent Tucker]

It and it had it, right?

[Alex Duncan]

There's something wrong.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.