IRAN and US Exchange FIRE | KNICKS Pull Off HISTORIC Victory (06/11/2026)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: IRAN and US Exchange FIRE | KNICKS Pull Off HISTORIC Victory
Date: June 11, 2026
Hosts: A & B (with guests and callers)
Intended Audience: Veterans, first responders, and blue collar Americans

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode of The Antihero Broadcast dives into two major stories: escalating military exchanges between Iran and the U.S., and the New York Knicks' record-breaking comeback in the NBA Finals. Alongside these headlines, the hosts cover policing topics including recent incidents involving law enforcement officers, officer deaths, high-profile police chases, and cop-on-cop mishaps. The tone is unfiltered, irreverent, and direct, providing gritty analysis for their working-class audience. Throughout the show, the hosts are joined by regulars, including law enforcement professionals and a recurring left-wing abolitionist, resulting in lively (and sometimes confrontational) exchanges.

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KEY SEGMENTS

1. Iran–U.S. Military Escalation

• [04:07 – 08:12]
  • Coverage of breaking news on the most recent military clashes between Iran and the United States, highlighting the rapid violation of a two-month ceasefire.
  • U.S. Central Command launched self-defense strikes against Iranian military sites in southern Iran following a U.S. helicopter being shot down.
  • Iran responded with ballistic missile attacks targeting U.S. assets in Bahrain, Kuwait, and Jordan; Jordan intercepted several of these missiles with limited casualties.
  • Hosts emphasize the cyclical, toxic nature of the conflict:

    "That's like the toxic couple that said they're gonna work on it and breaking up after two months and everybody's like yeah we kind of saw that coming." – A [05:17]

  • Both express skepticism about negotiating with the Iranian government and imply further escalation is inevitable.
  • Quote:

    “They want nothing but death to America and the western side of the world.” – A [06:50]

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2. First Responder & Veteran Community Shoutouts

• [08:12 – 11:04]
  • Offer prayers and shout-outs for injured or fallen officers including:
    • Officer Ariel Cruz (Lawrence Mass. PD, recovering from ICU).
    • Sergeant Philippe Smith (New Jersey State Police, passed away unexpectedly).
    • Officer Dustin Krish (Carrollton, GA PD, passed away after a year in ICU from a vehicular accident).
  • Emphasize the inherent dangers faced by officers and the ongoing mission to support them:

    “Nobody else is out in the middle of the road directing traffic, getting mowed down and, and all the other stuff we see. So got to support those guys. That's what we're here for, right? Entertainment for the boys.” – B [09:54]

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3. New York Knicks: Historic NBA Finals Comeback

• [11:04 – 26:42]
  • Discuss New York Knicks pulling off the largest comeback in NBA Finals history, overcoming a 29-point deficit against the Spurs.
  • Blend serious sports analysis with humor and first-hand fan reactions, including violence against Spurs fans in NYC, but also moments of unity among fans.
  • Lively banter on the superstitions of sports fans:

    “I'm very superstitious. So now thinking I shouldn't watch anymore. I just let them win without me watching because I was disgusted by the performance.” – B [13:51]

  • Nostalgia and cultural reflection on what a Knicks victory would mean for New York, especially given the city’s drought since 1973.
  • Memorable moment: Play-by-play of the comeback tip-in and eruption of fan celebration.
    • Quote:

      “There is going to be a statue out front of Madison Square Garden of that final tip in when they win the championship. That is going to be the play, the Rocky statue. That's going to be Jordan. That's going to be new moment.” – B [14:58]

  • Light-hearted debate on Taylor Swift's presence at the game.
• [Key Timestamps:
  • [11:52] – Heartwarming viral video of Knicks and Spurs fans
  • [13:49] – Largest Finals comeback breakdown
  • [15:33] – Finals format explained & fan reminiscing
  • [25:28] – Highlight reel commentary

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4. Viral Videos: NYPD, Property Damage, and Fan Violence

• [20:15 – 27:56]
  • Highlights the aftermath of the Knicks' win: wild fan celebrations, fights, and city property being damaged.
  • Discusses viral videos, including a Spurs fan being attacked and having his jersey forcibly removed.
  • Commentary on NYPD body cam etiquette, and risks fans take wearing rival team colors in public.
  • Quote:

    “Can you imagine being in the NYPD and like hitting a NYPD cop in the 90s and what would have happened to you?” – A [23:03]

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5. Police Pursuit Breakdown: Jacksonville Ironman DUI Chase

• [28:03 – 42:27]
  • Discusses a high-risk police pursuit involving a DUI suspect driving through an active Ironman race in Jacksonville, FL.
  • Critique of tactical decisions, especially a motorcycle officer’s dangerous maneuver to box in the suspect.
  • Emphasis on balancing officer bravery with practical safety:

    “Never, ever, ever do this to yourself or your family and put yourself in this situation. Never. There is nothing worth it to be on a motorcycle and get in front of a car.” – B [31:41]

  • Candid discussion about police pursuit policies: when to pursue, when to disengage, and the administrative challenges officers face when following or breaking policy.
  • Timestamp: [33:13] – The critical pit maneuver, debate over agency policies
  • Quote:

    “I'm risking my life to save lives. I ain't playing no games. I'm turning in my papers over that I wouldn't look people in the face and go, you're really writing me up for this.” – A [39:43]

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6. Cop-on-Cop Shooting: Pasadena “Horseplay” Incident

• [43:10 – 63:54]
  • Analyze dashcam and bodycam footage from Pasadena PD where one officer, in “horseplay,” points a gun at a colleague, and is then shot through the windshield by the other officer—again, as a supposed joke.
  • Broad condemnation of this reckless culture:

    “I've never in my life pointed my gun at another person that I didn't intend to shoot. Never once. Never once have I ever. As a joke. Never, never once.” – B [43:11]

  • Special guest Dominic Izzo, former police officer, weighs in:

    “This is the greatest thing in the world ... That was a 100% justified shooting. You cannot... Someone pointed a gun at me. I don't give a. I can't tell if it's horseplay.” – D [54:25]

  • Debate over discipline vs. criminal charges for officers: “If this was a citizen's home, you'd be in cuffs and in front of the... judge, end of story.” – D [55:01]
  • Broader conversation about generational changes and seriousness in police culture; critique the "grabass" (juvenile horseplay) prevalent today.

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7. Canine Use Controversy & Sheriff as Public Performer

• [66:19 – 75:51]
  • Review a controversial Brevard County incident where a police dog is deployed on a compliant suspect during a recorded “riding shotgun” segment with the sheriff.
  • Analysis of civil rights, use of force, and the thin line between legitimate police work and showmanship.
  • Critique of lack of standardized policing procedures:

    “That's prevalent ... on every single one of these stops... One cop is screaming, ‘put your hands behind your back;’ another one's saying, ‘don't.’ ... and they shoot him.” – D [74:44]

  • Broader implications for federalized, standardized policing.

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8. Debate: Abolitionist Perspective & Systemic Issues

• [78:35 – 105:42]
  (Features regular guest ‘Ryan’, an anti-police, leftist abolitionist)
  • Discussion pivots from practical policing to larger systemic critiques about capitalism, poverty, crime, and billionaire-driven inequality.
  • Ryan’s central argument:

    “Cops don't keep us safe. And clearly they don't even keep each other safe. What keeps people safe is dignified employment, a roof over your head, food on the table.” [79:47]

  • Delve into the roots of crime: not “bad people,” but desperation caused by poverty, poor mental health, and inequality.
  • Extended debate about whether police or systems of incarceration truly keep society safe, or whether they perpetuate a racial-caste system; reference to "The New Jim Crow."
  • Ryan criticizes the focus on low-level crime versus endemic, billionaire-level "white-collar" corruption.
  • The hosts acknowledge the flaws in the banking and corporate sectors, but maintain, “You have to have police and you have to have law and order, and you have to be able to take people out that are acting crazy ... we have to stop those people because they're going to be in any society.” – B [106:28]
  • Debate on utopian models and the inevitability of human greed and conflict, regardless of system.

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• Military Escalation:

  "We forget a lot that we, we don't want to be in the Iran war. Right, we don't but we also forget who Iran is." – A [06:50]

• Knicks' Comeback:

  "I turned the TV off. I sat on my phone, I played my damn stupid game. I play. I had no idea they were coming back." – B [13:51]

• Officer Horseplay Shooting:

  "This is the greatest thing in the world ... That was a 100% justified shooting. And if that was me, I would go You. I'm not." – D [54:25]

• Police Pursuits:

  "There's no scenario where you put a motorcycle in front of a car to... stop it like that rolling traffic stop ... there's just so much bad." – B [35:06]

• Abolitionist Perspective:

  "Cops don't keep us safe. And clearly they don't even keep each other safe. What keeps people safe ... basic economic survival." – E [79:47]

• Inequality & Systemic Corruption:

  "The impact of harm from government, corporate corruption and white collar crime, I will argue is vastly greater than [street crime]..." – E [96:24]

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ENGAGEMENT & TONE

• The hosts use dark humor, blunt language, and personal anecdotes.
• Lively debates with guests, including sharp exchanges about law enforcement generational differences, abolition, and structural solutions.
• Show aims for authenticity over polish; language is often direct, sometimes combative or profane, always rooted in blue-collar candor.

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IMPORTANT TIMESTAMPS

| Segment Description | Start Time | |---------------------------------------------|------------| | Iran–US military escalation | 04:07 | | Police & first responder obituaries | 08:12 | | NY Knicks’ historic comeback (sports) | 11:04 | | Knicks fan violence, viral videos | 20:15 | | Jacksonville police pursuit breakdown | 28:03 | | Cop-on-cop "horseplay" shooting video | 43:10 | | Law enforcement discipline & culture | 54:25 | | K-9 deployment controversy/Brevard Sheriff | 66:19 | | Abolitionist perspective & community safety | 78:35 | | Debate on prison/inequality | 88:06 | | Wealth, utopias, and human nature | 106:03 |

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TL;DR

The Antihero Broadcast, in signature raw style, covers Iran–U.S. military flare-ups, cop culture (from heroism to fatal “horseplay”), and the Knicks' historic victory. Guests spar over law enforcement policy, pursuit procedures, and abolition, with tough talk on billionaire corruption and human nature. Expect gritty candor, dark humor, and discussions on policing, community welfare, and the impossibility of utopia.

Transcript

[A]

We're live at the Anti Hero broadcast. Got a crazy show for you. Gonna talk Iran us launching at each other. We're gonna talk about all kinds of crazy cop stuff of cop shooting, another cop playing a game, a crazy Jacksonville pursuit, all kinds of stuff.

[B]

The New York Knicks. Your New York Knicks. Yes sir.

[A]

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[B]

TV team for life.

[A]

Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, whatever it is for you. It's Thursday, June 11, 2026. The anti air broadcast is the news entertainment broadcast for veterans, first responders and all blue collar Americans. We go live Monday through Friday, 1pm Eastern Standard Time on YouTube Facebook Annex. So if you like the show, please go subscribe. Give us a like. This show is brought to you by Ghostbed. Go to ghostbed.com forward/antihero. Save 10 on their already ridiculously low prices, pillowcases, mattress toppers, cooling patented technology sheets and their award winning mattresses. 60, 000 5 star rating and reviews in house customer service and free shipping on those big mattresses. So if you want to save 10 and you want to let Ghostbed know that we send you, go to ghostbed.com forward/antiheroes then you save 10%. I already said that. That's what happens when you get out more.

[B]

I'm gonna bounce out and back bounce back in. My sound's up. Let me give two minutes.

[A]

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[B]

Having a terrible day. Like every 10 seconds it goes like it like they're static. I don't know what it is. Not my setup. I backed out back in. So we're gonna fight through.

[A]

You're good on our end, dude. Does anybody hear? No, you can't ask him that now because they'll with us now.

[B]

We're good. I can. It's not doing anymore. Maybe it was my connection.

[A]

All right, first, first thing we have to talk about

[B]

every time it's every 10 seconds. That's all right. I'm gonna pretend it's not happening.

[A]

All right, first thing we have to talk about is the U. S. Iran helicopter shoot down incident. I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen. The BBC is the only one that I've seen kind of covering this in full extent but it seems to be aerial type things. Let's pull it up. Can you put it up, Eli? U S and Iran exchange strikes cross Middle east for a second day in a row the US And Iran have exchanged strikes across the Middle east for two consecutive days, further straining a shaky ceasefire agreed between the two countries in April. Doesn't really seem like a ceasefire. The U. S Central command has said it had completed a wave of self defense strikes targeting military surveillance and radar sites in southern Iran hours after President Donald Trump vowed US Forces would hit Iran hard. They responded to the attack with a round of strikes targeting U. S Military assets across the region of Bahrain, Kuwait and Jordan. Iran's foreign ministry said early on Thursday that the overnight attacks violated the two month old ceasefire rendering it practically unbelievable.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

It said in a statement that it that responsibility for the extremely serious consequences of this criminal act lay within the leaders of the U. S. Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard corps said it had fired ballistic missiles at a U. S Command center in Jordan. He said it destroyed a large number of U S fighter jets and facilities after firing 12 ballistic missiles. Oh man. Jordanian state media reported 20 missiles had been intercepted and shot down by the country's air defense. The missiles had been fired towards as rack in central Jordan and reported without any human casualties or material damage caused. Meanwhile Bahrain's interior ministry said it air raid sirens were activated and that falling shrapnel from intercepted Iranian drones had damaged homes and vehicles in the capital. An 11 year old girl was treated for minor injury. Kuwait's army posted on x 2026 here folks that its anti air defense systems intercepted hostile area targets. It goes on and on and on. Obviously a ceasefire that lasted two months was violated isn't really, that's like the toxic couple that said they're gonna work on it and breaking up after two months and everybody's like yeah we kind of saw that coming dude.

[B]

I don't even know if they really at all. I mean they stopped kind of reporting everything but he's been threatened to bomb them like every three days.

[A]

I mean I, I don't think you can negotiate with people like Iran. Not trying to sound like a, a warmonger but I mean there's certain people that they don't live in civilized society. They, I mean we forget a lot that we, we don't want to be in the Iran war. Right, we don't but we also forget who Iran is. They want nothing but death to America and the western side of the world.

[B]

Like death of their own people.

[A]

Yeah,

[B]

of course they're not gonna like us.

[A]

So obviously shooting down a U. S. Helicopter we have to retaliate. We cannot let that go. You know they didn't have to shoot down the U. S. Helicopter. I don't know, I, I don't know what that helicopter was doing. So you can't negotiate with Israel. Yeah. But it is what it is. Let's move on to. I mean I would love to talk about that in further detail but it, there's just, we're obviously gonna be talking

[B]

about it every day. Every day it's going to be something about Iran and the US With Trump going back and forth.

[A]

So it's, we wanted to touch on it yesterday.

[B]

We have another emergency broadcast at some point about this.

[A]

Yeah, that, yeah, I can see that.

[B]

I believe we're going to be on emergency.

[A]

It'll happen at three in the morning though. That's a crappy problem. And then I'll have to, you know,

[B]

before we go on to the next topic, I don't want to forget this. We want to shout out to one of our OGs in the Patreon Mish had a fellow officer that was drug in a traffic stop. Officer Ariel Cruz from Lawrence Police Department. He was in ICU for a little while. He's up and we don't like that, but he's getting better. And we went up and met those guys up there. We went to their briefing. They are jam up group of guys working in an absolute hell of a neighborhood with some, some, some stuff that goes on up there. So, you know, we're gonna put our. Put our hand together and pray for officer Aerial Cruz from Lawrence, Mass. PD who is out of ICU and hopefully recovering well, man.

[A]

All right, keeping the, keeping it going. Uh, we got a request, uh, for a New Jersey state trooper that just recently passed away. The association mourns the sudden passing of Sergeant Philippe Smith, a dedicated member to the association. Proud veteran and devoted New Jersey state trooper. He is an armed forces veteran. Sergeant Smith served both his country and his people of New Jersey with courage, integrity throughout his military career and his law enforcement career. Beyond the uniform, he will be remembered as a loyal friend, a caring man, and a proud father who loves his family deeply. We extend our deepest consoles to his family, friends, and fellow troopers during this difficult time. Rest easy, brother. End of watch, May 8. We were a little late to the game. We had this in our request folder. So just wanted to give Philip Smith's. Trooper Philip Smith's family our condolences and, and our prayers.

[B]

And while we're there, there's one. It's crazy how this can happen, but Officer Dustin Krish from the. It's hard to pronounce. Carl Carlton, Police department in Georgia, was in a car accident directing traffic June 11th of 2025, and then passed away on June 9th, a year and almost a year later. Yep, Never really recovered. Sat in and out of icu. Can you imagine the strain on that family and all his co workers to a whole year in and out of ICU and in a coma and, you know, a year later doing your job, man, just directing traffic and, and you end up smoked by a car and then, you know, your family suffers for a year and you pass away. It's unfortunate. This job is. I know we make jokes and we, we know we get hard on cops and, you know, times it's warranted, but, you know, nobody else is out in the middle of the road directing traffic, getting mowed down and, and all the other stuff we see. So got to support those guys. That's what we're here for, right? Entertainment for the boys.

[A]

Let's move on to the Knicks. To it. I. I love the.

[B]

What.

[A]

What we're gonna do for. There's a lot of violent videos out there of people beating people up in spurs jerseys. There was a video. I saw an actual video of a guy that. Yesterday, the video went viral where he was jumped kind of savagely and lawlessly. And. And it was. It was kind of disgusting how it happened, but he walked away from it. Somebody. He walked away still wearing the jersey, and somebody. A Knicks fan took it off him, said, give it to me, man. Get out of here. Go, go. And they were trying to get him out of there. So it's not obviously all of New York City that's doing this, but there was a video that Mike sent to me that I thought. I thought was very heartwarming.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

Dude, it is heartwarming. It's. It's sports bringing people together. And I thought it was very. I'm not even making a joke. I think this is a really good video. Go ahead and pull it up. Let's see here.

[C]

White people could say the N word today. Triple T. I'm. And I got their back. The white people. I can't say, you better. No. Boys, boys, come on. I'm not gonna hurt him, but I'm giving a pass out. I love you.

[A]

That's it. I just thought it was cool.

[B]

Sports.

[A]

Is it not?

[B]

Sports and gambling? No race.

[A]

Shorts and gambling.

[B]

Sports and gambling.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Unite, people.

[B]

Yeah. Or divide. I saw one. I saw one video yesterday where the dude, he was holding the sign, like, stole, like, a subway sign. He's like, look, the sign, it said one minute later, he's beating a Spurs fan with the sign. Like, run around. I mean, it's. It's been pretty violent. But let's. Let's talk about the game, and I'm gonna. I have a confession to make. I turned it off. I watched the beginning of that game. I was devastated. And they were up 29 points. The spurs were up 29 points. The largest would end up being the largest comeback, I believe. One of the largest leads in finals three. And then the largest comeback. And I turned it off. I literally turned the TV off. I sat on my phone, I played my damn stupid game. I play. I had no idea they were coming back. No idea all that was unfolding until my uncle.

[A]

Did you find out last night or when you woke up?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. My uncle, in a group chat, was like, holy, what a tip. In. I'm like, what? The game's over. Like, what is he talking about? And then I, like, opened it and I'm like, oh, I couldn't believe. I. I couldn't believe it. I. I couldn't believe it. Like, I watch back the highlights now and I'm like, I'm very superstitious. So now thinking I shouldn't watch anymore. I just let them win without me watching because I was disgusted by the performance. I was into the point where I thought it was wwe. I'm like, there's no way a team could play this bad. Even on, like, on purpose. They couldn't play this bad. Like, it was so bad. And wow. It's not going to bring New York together. There's going to be violence. It's going to burn. But for me in Florida, where I don't have to see all that, it's that for. For a New York sports fan, that is like, there is going to be a statute out front of Madison Square Garden of that final tip in when they win the championship. That is going to be the play the Rocky statue. That's going to be Jordan. That's going to be new moment.

[A]

Well, the tonight, Today was tonight's game five in San Antonio.

[B]

No, no to go. What's today? Thursday, Saturday night. They go two nights.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Travel, they have a rest day. So game five will be in San Antonio Saturday and if necessary, game six back in New York on Tuesday. Which I'm mixed about that because it's like house. And I don't want them to lose, so I don't want to even risk it. But how shitty is that that they're gonna win? If they win game six, five, they'll be away. So New York's not going to actually get the championship on their home court. But what a game.

[A]

Well, I mean, how many do they. How does this work? Because I watched Sports Counterculture Inc. Sports last night with Canine and he seemed even a little confused about how to win the championship.

[B]

Who.

[A]

What is it? Canine?

[B]

I mean, how to win it.

[A]

How to win it. He goes, I don't really know like, who wins if tonight. Like, who? How? Like, he was like, I don't know who has to win tonight.

[B]

No, he was lost. It's. It was 2 to 1. So the Knicks one is the one. Now they go and maybe somebody the court. Two games in San Antonio, two games in New York. Then it's 1, 1, 1. San Antonio had a record in the season, so they get the home field advantage. So you got two games played in San Antonio already. Now you have two games played In New York. Now they go San Antonio, New York, San Antonio. There's a. If it continues. So okay, weed or what? But there's no confusion on that. Knicks are up three to one. They just gotta win one of the next three games. And I would think it's gonna be, you know, I said it in the first game. You know, the spurs have had a lead of up like 14 in both game. Like every game they've had a double digit lead. And then the Knicks come back, except for game three. So now you have a team that was like they were talking, dude, they got that Wimby that can't stand skinny 7 foot 5, big mouth, thinks he's hot. Somebody just needs to knock him out. They finally did last night. Somebody knocked him down, but he was pointing head. I'm in your head. And like right at the pinnacle of the, the blowout, I turned it off. I'm like, this is insane. The next coach was putting people in, taking them out and taking them out. Put. It was like complete chaos. It was like, what is going on on national tv? And then it just turned around.

[A]

I thought a couple things about an audio delay. I just watched this in real time. I don't have an audio delay on my phone. So anybody with an audio delay, I've known this to work. Close out the video and reopen it. But on my. I watch on my phone too, to see what other people see, not just the producer side of it.

[B]

I said home field. I mean home court, home field. It's. It's a universal term. You're right. They play the court.

[A]

If the Knicks win one more time, they're champions.

[B]

They are the champions. And spurs have to win three games in a row. Champions. And Knicks have to win one of three in the next three.

[A]

And what happens if the. So this, if the spurs win the next. There's only three more games to play, correct? Three.

[B]

Yeah. Spurs have to win all three and they're the one of the next three. And like I said, New York hasn't championships since 1973. What's cool about New York? This is where I'm gonna go with it. You can hate it, you can love it. Every Nick alumni player that I've grown up since a little kid, I've been a man since I was born. I've watched go through the playoff, have terrible seasons, almost win. They almost won in 94, 99. Like I've. All these guys are at the games. So you have the entire Knicks team. Like teams like 20, 25 guys that have worn that jersey and battled on that floor that didn't get it done are all there now watching this team perform. And they're basically, you know, winning for the city. You're winning.

[A]

I lost you. I do not know if everybody else lost you.

[B]

You lost me. Try telling the Reset the box.

[A]

No, no. So we can. Everybody else still hear you. So do the audience.

[B]

Tell them to reset it. Because I'm dying over here. So much stack by myself. I guess you guys can hear me. All I hear is static. Yeah, there's his resetting. I've been listening. I've been struggling through it. Of this crackle in my ear since the start of the show. And I've been grinding like the New

[A]

York Knicks waiting on it. There we go. I got you now. Keep going.

[B]

Staticy. My. But there's something static that's coming through, but it doesn't bother anybody else. So I'll deal with it. But, yeah, they're playing for a city. They're playing for an entire organization. You're talking 1973, older than me. And if you hate, you can. You hate basketball. You don't have to like it. Just take all that out of it. Look at the story. You have a franchise that can win something that hasn't been done since 1973 for all those guys that have played throughout the years.

[A]

So I got a couple more videos of that stuff going on. Here's one.

[D]

What the.

[A]

A bunch of people on a bus have a police body cam. And it looks like. Have you ever seen that video where somebody played a magic trick? Hold on. What's this?

[B]

Wait, wait.

[D]

Double tap it.

[B]

Is it going to record?

[D]

Is it going to record if you double tap?

[A]

First off, if that's one of those ones with the camera built inside it, they're all putting themselves on camera. I mean, I guess maybe it's got to be synced.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Unless. Yes, It'd have to be synced up, and then it'd have to be downloaded down the field. There's a way. As long as.

[A]

As long as NYPD does not get that back, they're good. But if the NYPD gets that body cam back somehow and syncs it up into the docking station, all those guys are going to be on camera.

[B]

Five. Five.

[A]

Here's the guy from the infamous video that we saw. We've all been seeing where he got jumped. This is him walking away. Bloody nose, but he didn't. Doesn't look like he suffered a lot of injuries, but people are definitely trying to help him out in New York guy getting the Gursi off him and getting.

[C]

Oh, my go.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

They just want a disperse jersey.

[A]

Yeah, let's see. Damn. Yeah. That's one of those ones where you get in a fight, right? And the guy doesn't really get you with anything good. But the fact that he was on top when they broke it up, everyone's like, well, you lost. Like, I didn't lose. I had them. But I don't know.

[B]

You can be in control and be on the bottom. But yeah, knew that.

[A]

Let's just give them that one.

[B]

They definitely.

[A]

Can you imagine being in the NYPD and like hitting a NYPD cop in the 90s and what would have happened to you?

[B]

We can ask Pat about that.

[A]

Yeah, dude. All right, It's a couple more. Is this the acceptable property damage that you mentioned, Mike? Like, is this acceptable city property? Stomping on a sign. Now. This sucks. It's a yellow car. Which means maybe it's an expensive car or it's a taxi, one of the two, but man, like, that's pretty shitty. If that was your car,

[B]

It.

[A]

What'd you say?

[B]

That's because Mark City can't win the championship. That's why it's not happening there. We're the New York Knicks, baby. How come you videos when the Dodgers won the World Series in la? How come what going to show all these videos when the Dodgers won the World Series in la?

[A]

I didn't. Because I didn't. I didn't even follow that bed here at the Garden.

[C]

They can't believe it.

[B]

Do it again.

[C]

Let's do it.

[B]

Let's do it. Brunson tries a three pointer.

[D]

That's good.

[A]

Is this the comeback documented?

[B]

This is all of it. Dude, look at them big shots, man. Look at the score, just eating away at it.

[A]

You think Taylor Swift's really a Knicks fan? Or you think she was just floor seats with a shirt on?

[B]

No, she's not a Nick fan. I saw so I was scrolling and I refused to watch and I saw the meme of her. Like I saw her dancing and I wanted to kill her because I thought that, like, they're getting blown out. Stupid dancing on the sideline. I had no idea they came back. Look at that. Ken fires up a three.

[C]

No good. The tip's gone. It's gone. It's gone with 1.2 remaining.

[B]

Harper lost it.

[C]

Inside Castle hasn't lost it. That's it. It's over. The greatest comeback in NBA playoff history. The next pull off comeback and lead it three games to One.

[B]

All right, now we just need the Giants to win. I think we can do the pursuit before Donald.

[C]

Okay, what we winning Tip y' all gonna need? Marines, Green Berets, National Guard, Navy. Call Donald Trump and tell him, press that button, cuz he turn it. Sit the down. We gonna take a pistol on the. I called nypd.

[A]

I don't know, man.

[B]

Send the nukes.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Press the button.

[C]

Like another one.

[B]

I'm telling you, bro, I've seen like 20 of these.

[A]

This guy goes on to say, like, it's super up, because he's like. To be honest with you, a lot of people can't afford stuff. And they have a nice, nice. He's like, those jerseys are very, very expensive. And you feel like you have one nice thing, and it's like someone taking your Jordans off your feet. Like.

[B]

Yeah. 150 bucks, dude.

[A]

All right, dude. What do we got next? The pursuit video.

[B]

Yeah, let me. Let me preface this, because we. We talk about, you know, there's. The pursuit is always going to be the pursuit of happiness as well. It's always going to be, you know, something we talk about. Very important. I got to figure out which one it is. So I'm trying to stall and.

[A]

All right.

[B]

So we always talk about pursuits. Good, bad, and different. One of my biggest knocks on. You got me?

[A]

Yeah. Yep, I'm here.

[B]

One of my big knocks on the pursuit is like, if we never do it, how do you learn how to do it right when it matters? Or if we're gonna. You know. And there's always. There's arguments to speeding. Should we just pursue somebody for speeding? I'm an advocate for pursuits, but I believe in certain areas, conditions, you have to back off, maybe get a helicopter up. There's other things, but I want you to watch this one in particular, to me, seems as if this should have been ended immediately. And then I want you to look at what vehicle is used to do what. This is Jacksonville. This is a DUI driver that enters the area marked off for an Iron man race. So you got bikers and runners. I think these bikers are okay. It's an Iron man race. I don't know if they'll pass you in Chick's test, but I think these guys are okay. But here's the video, and the sound will kick on in a second. But this guy's sitting here. These are Iron man racers.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Do what you need. Get his driver, stop before he gets in that.

[B]

It looks like a good time to take him out. Right? He's Driving through. He's almost hit a bunch of people. Good time maybe. All right. It's gonna get worse.

[A]

It's gonna get worse.

[B]

You haven't even seen it yet. It's gonna get worse. But yeah. Roll and oak. Oh, he broke it.

[C]

South.

[B]

I heard the law never listen. Ladies and gentlemen, any cop, any young cop, if you make it to motor unit, never, ever, ever do this to yourself or your family and put yourself in this situation. Never. There is nothing worth it to be on a motorcycle and get in front of a car. That's all I got to say about that.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Speeds 50.

[A]

Here's the thing. You. I don't know. I. I'm not gonna Monday morning this one too much. But when you do decide to make contact with the vehicle, you. You shove him into another car he just hit.

[B]

Well, you. You're speaking too soon because it's going to get worse. But. Or better. But yes, there's a pit. There's a way to take this guy out. That is not the play.

[A]

He.

[B]

He did not. Was probably not paying attent. There's no way he meant to do that. He did not mean to do that. I think he probably took his eyes off the road or was looking at something else and ran into him because that's not trained in any even pit. But yes. Now watch where he finally thinks it's time to do a pit. Remember, this is during an iron man race where it's blocked off. You have people riding bikes and running immediate end to this. I don't care if he's dui. If he's having medical issues. You have to take this dude out immediately in that gas station parking lot. But now watch when he decides to finally do a pit.

[D]

That's it. I'm gonna gotta stop this guy. He's gonna kill someone. If he's heading towards the runners.

[E]

Stop him.

[C]

Pit. Pit. Pit.

[B]

Now look at. Look at this. Approach.

[C]

Do not move your hands up now. Put them up now.

[B]

My. My point there is I like Jackson. I think they do run it. We talk all the time. Very good agency. They're very transparent. But there are times you have to do things to stop people, and that was one of them. And what I saw, the motorcycle pulling in of a moving DUI vehicle. That guy gets killed, right? The dude driving the car is a piece of 100%, goes to prison the rest of his life for murder. Would you want to know that your dad, brother, cousin, uncle, aunt, friend, neighbor, dog, groomer, decided to move a motorcycle in front of a vehicle and Got run over and killed. But you want to think, man, that's how they went out. They put themselves in front of that vehicle to put themselves in that position. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want. No.

[A]

I mean I love the aggressive mentality but you should be smart enough to know you're on a motorcycle, dude. You're gonna do nothing. Like had that been a car and they tried to do some effective wedge. They were like, oh, he broke out. Like he broke out of what? There was nothing holding him there. He just went right.

[B]

Yeah. You. You're talking about a D which is the. The driver of that white vehicle is the. They go. They should go to jail for a very long time for what just happened. But there is no scenario where you put a mic motorcycle in front of a car to. To stop it like that rolling traffic stop to. I don't know. He was like threatening to run into it. There's just so much bad. We'd have an ODMP and we'd be morning have another officer funeral which we don't need. And that would be a reckless reason to die. Now the guy in the car should have took that dude out way before. I don't know the policy. I'm not gonna knock him.

[A]

I was gonna ask you if you knew their policy or not.

[B]

They probably don't have a very little argue.

[A]

Mike. You could argue the pursuit in the middle of an iron man could be something possibly not worth.

[B]

It's getting that deadly force, man. You know, you have knowledge that there's innocent people running and biking in a. In an area they believe is secure and a 4,000 pound DUI is running through stop sign. I think you're at the point where you would. I would be comfortable with losing my job by crashing that person into a building or tree. And they die and I go, okay.

[A]

Yeah. It depends on how it's spun too. If it's. If. If you got a good chain of command and it's spun the way you just saved countless lives by doing that. Or they could totally you and turn around and go. You use unnecessary force. You should have broke it off. You should have radioed it in. You should have told us where he was. We should have stopped the race. You're the one that made this worse. It could go both ways. You know it just as much as

[B]

I do usually that reckless. That would be. I know. Way before pit. I remember one specific incident way, way back when Roy Raymond was still sheriff. Who was the sheriff I got hired under. So he left in 08. I think I remember they took a guy out. We didn't have a pit. We didn't have a real pursue policy. We were way back. We had that. We had. The agency had been involved in a death of. A death of four people at one point before my time. The sheriff has had killed four people. An accident due to a hand in hand. They thought they saw hand in hand. They killed four people. And they were like, we're done. So this board and these oversight committees came in and they made our pursuit policy. 0. We had a guy driving the wrong way down the road, dui, like middle of the day. And buddy absolutely took him out and the sheriff pulled him in, said, here's your letter of counseling. I have to do it based on the policy. You're a hero and you're. You're the man. Thank, thank you for doing what you did. And that's sometimes that's how it's got to go.

[A]

And in this case, are you an advocate of that? That sounds.

[B]

Back then the policy said you had to. So the sheriff said, you're. You're a hero, you're stupid letter.

[A]

But the sheriff couldn't make a call to say, this is the most moronic thing in the world to give this guy counseling statement. I can't trust in a police force as a citizen if the sheriff can't make a call to say, you did the right thing. But I've got to do this. Like, it doesn't.

[B]

Like I said, smacking him on the wrist right here.

[A]

I know, but why? He doesn't deserve a smack on the right. That's what I'm saying. Like, yes, if I was in a situation, I would take that too. I would take that in a heartbeat. But that's like the same as a sheriff seeing a use of force, knowing it's right, and then telling the public, oh, that looked dirty, that looked bad. And then looking at the cop and going, I got you. Don't worry.

[B]

It was a good policy though. So he had to. It makes sense just to do it.

[A]

It doesn't make sense, Mike. It makes no sense if it's against policy. Did he do the right thing? I'll ask you this. Did he do the right thing?

[B]

By.

[A]

It's the most idiotic thing in the world to say I have to do this because that I have to do. This mindset trickles down to your captains and your lieutenants who feel like they have to write you up because you said, but here's the award too.

[B]

That's different. There was an Four like five years earlier, a family of four got murdered at an intersection in a pursuit. So Hot topic. So he says, this is what I have to do by policy. Here's your little paper that means nothing. There you go. Thank you for your service. You did an amazing.

[A]

I would forever roast you if you wrote up a hero and said I'm

[B]

just telling you back then it was a different time and people. You had a family that lost four people that would have sued the sheriff's office for not disciplining the guy because it was a hot thing. We couldn't pursue anybody. Like it was impossible back then. So I get what you're saying. It's stupid. It is. It's absolutely stupid. And. But at the same time, back then with the climate, you had to kind of play the game. Now we have a pursuit policy that allows it. So. But think about this. I mean this is a no brainer.

[A]

I'm risking my life to save lives. I ain't playing no games. I'm turning in my papers over that I wouldn't look people in the face and go, you're really writing me up for this. Oh you know how it. You know how it is. The optics like dude, that's why I'm not in this game anymore. Because it's. And it gets more by the day. Hopefully Dilks for sheriff isn't writing people up for saving lives.

[B]

We can change that. But I'm just talking about situation at the time. I understand it but here it's. This is one of those little star on the page like you didn't. You don't really study for when you go this is common sense that this guy has to be taken out. You have to. You have to take this guy out. Like there's. It's common sense that has to be done. You cannot allow.

[A]

Do sheriffs do you know of typically rewrite or change at all the questions asked for supervisor for like not tryouts but what do you call that? A sergeant exam?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean they changed the policies. What is on there. But normally pursuit officer involves shooting those.

[A]

Well I would say that would be to know who you're getting in that position that immediately it's against policy. Would you do this? And you gave him everything. No trick questions. But it's against policy. Would you do it? Any that said no out. I want dudes that are gonna be like, well yeah, I would. Okay.

[B]

I was involved in the pursuit policy rewriting here and we put like a caveat in there that any they deemed necessary by the watch Commander. So in situation where it's like. It's kind of like, hey, there's a parade coming up. This guy's only going 50. Like, we don't know. Get rid of them. Get rid of them. We're not gonna. We're not gonna let this happen. So this is one of those get rid of them times. Like when he walked pulling that gas station. I think it's like, you know, he's already been reckless. He's going through an area that's secured by cones where innocent people are running and dry riding bikes. And you have to go, I'll take this one. Even if I get fired. You're right. I'd get fired. I'll be like, fire me. I'll be all over. I'll be over the news like the jiu jitsu guy, telling everybody how I saved a bunch of lives. And you.

[A]

I'll get picked up somewhere else.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you would. So I just wanted to highlight the. The. That's a multi layered video. There's the pursuit issue, and then there's the guy on the motorcycle that I. I can't get behind that at all. I can't get behind.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

Yeah, I. I mean, that's like Lewis on a scooter out there trying to take somebody out. Like. Like, I would be very disappointed in you if I had to go to your funeral because you did that. I'll be very disappointed. Like, that's not even a cool story. Like, if you blaze of glory or get shot by your buddy in the back parking lot where we'll talk about later. That's cool. But this wasn't cool.

[A]

All right, I think we should. We've got the cop on cop action. Do you want to save for Dominic or do you want to rock with me and you?

[B]

Good. Do you. We have Dominic. Did we send him the link first of all?

[A]

Nope.

[B]

I'll do that.

[A]

Do that now.

[B]

Like the producer invite guest. I got it. I got it because I got his email. Yeah, yeah, I'll get. You want to do the. Yeah, we can do the. We'll save Dominic. We'll save for the. The Wayne Ivy stuff. But I'll. I wanted to go over the shooting. Hold on. Cop talk live link. All right, so this is something I think you would probably do.

[A]

Shoot my partner.

[B]

Yeah, we'll watch the video. This is something that. This is. I have been a cop for 23 years. I've done dumb things, played jokes. I have never in my life pointed my gun at another person that I didn't intend to shoot. Never once. Never once have I ever. As a joke. Never, never once. And let you guys watch what happened in this situation.

[F]

Video showing a Pasadena police officer being shot by a fellow officer. This chief is calling it a horseplay incident.

[B]

Horseplay.

[F]

Here it is. This is dash cam video from inside the Pasadena police parking garage.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

It's going to play over.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

That's the initial. So let's. Let's. You're going to get the whole video. What you're going to have is. Looks like they're probably in. This is a huge agency. So they're in some type of shift change. And here is the body. This the dash cam of officer pulling

[F]

patrol car, pulling up behind two officers standing by another vehicle. That's when one of those standing officers quickly draws his gun and points it at the officer in the vehicle.

[B]

After a few seconds, he pulls a loaded firearm out. That is a joke, right? This is funny. He points a loaded gun at his buddy in the car. So his buddy says, well, we're playing jokes.

[F]

The weapon, what you can't see is. The chief says the other. The officer in the driver's seat does

[B]

the same through the windshield into the shoulder, 5 inches from dude's dome thing.

[F]

But that officer's gun goes off. The shot goes through the windshield and hits the shoulder of the other officer. This happened in September of last year. The department just releasing that video today. The chief says the officer who was shot has recovered and disciplinary action has.

[A]

You know, the only one female cop, she does nothing wrong.

[F]

Pasadena police.

[A]

She did it. I know I would be just confused. I was gonna even try to take a dig and go look at her, scared to run up. But who thinks that just happened? But you hear it go off. You look and you're like, there's no bad guy. Maybe no one was shot. You slow down and you're like, what the. Maybe you thought it was a discharge. And then you see somebody like this. And then you start running again.

[B]

Like, I mean. I mean, what did I just watch?

[A]

Dude, that was just chilling is like, that was funny. Like, didn't go like, what the are you doing, dude? Like, don't do that around me. Don't point your gun at a cop around me. Don't around out. Like, don't put me in that.

[B]

I. I don't. I don't know if it was a sig. So before the jokes start, I'm not. I'm not sure what kind of gun it was, and I don't know the discipline. They called It. Horseplay. You know, recently in Bravard, where we're going to talk about later, there was a case about four or five years ago where two dudes were. Two cops were playing Xbox, drinking two, three in the morning, and buddy blew his friend's brains out playing games, same way, pointing guns, and he ended up going to prison. There's alcohol involved in that one. And it was, you know, in a. In a room. And, you know, I don't know about this. There is no scenario. Again, we got the motorcycle guy. Now at a guy. What scenario would you point your gun as a joke? But I. I can't. I can't. Figure it out, man. Figure it out. I mean, it's bizarre. Look. Hey, look at you. Me? Good draw. Yeah, good draw stroke, right? Got a joke, too. Think about how lucky that dude is that it didn't hit him in the face. Dude.

[A]

Holy, man.

[B]

I mean, horseplay. Would you fire that guy?

[A]

Would I fire that guy?

[B]

Would you fire both of them? Both of them?

[A]

Yeah, I would. I would. I would fire both. And I would really be questioning the. The. The third guy that thought it was funny. In all reality, if you think that is. There wasn't. Here's the thing, man. I'm gonna look at the camera go. There wasn't an ounce of. On your face. Right? I get it. You're not gonna jump in front of a gun or maybe tackle your buddy. But there wasn't even. It was like, I've seen them do this before. So therefore, how many times has this happened? Oh, they. They've been doing this. They've probably done this 23 times, and no one said anything. You've got guys pointing their guns at each other. I mean, is that how bored you are? You got to take it to that extreme?

[B]

I can't. I just. I know the uncomfortableness, too. We had a class one time that these guys came and instructed at our range, and they basically instructed us to point our guns at each other. Loaded rifles. It was this just, like, tactic class, and they put, like, ropes up and. And it was. It was. Some of it was really good, the actual drills, but at one point, because I will say I. I knew that. I knew the training supervisor at the time very well, and she was very serious about firearm safety. And there was no question in the world about gun safety. You never. Never even clearing the gun. There was a system. It was very strict, very. You couldn't. You couldn't mess it up. And I remember the fear of it. And then it was like, hey, man, somebody, I Think finally said, hey, dude, we. We can't do this, man. You can't keep having us do these drills like this. We're not going to point rifles at each other like loaded guns. So even in that scenario. But I can never think of a time where I think it would be funny to pull my gun out and point it at you. Because that happens, right? Let's just say that happens and I kill you, dude. Everybody's life is ruined. I mean, it just doesn't make sense. So that's it. That's I. And do you think here's where I'm gonna go. I'm not gonna go. You know, do you. I believe. And this, I'm gonna ask you this. We. We get on these new school cops and all that. You think this happened in a lot back in the 60s and 70s. I believe it was. I bet they pointed a lot. And then it got real serious. Right there was the real serious of the Internet and videos and. And cameras around the station. Now we've gone full circle to these dumb kids are getting hired and think it's cool to point guns at everybody.

[A]

So the difference, the caliber and men in the 60s and 70s were just different than people today. They were just.

[B]

They wouldn't have told anybody either. They would have just took the dude to the er. He would have been back on in like two hours.

[A]

I don't know, man. He took a shot out of the bushes. We couldn't find anybody.

[B]

Well, I'm not gonna say what really would have happened. They would. They would have took him to a part of town and been like, hey, master got shot. So there probably would.

[A]

Somebody shot Spotter existed.

[B]

Somebody probably would have went to prison after confessing to attempted murder on a law enforcement officer. Yeah, but not without that. Yeah, I think we've gone full circle now where kids are so reckless and so stupid that they think it's funny to pull a gun out and point it at each other. Which I get. The 80s we still get the dummies that like play with their holster and pull their gun out and. And we have a couple here where gu shot themselves in the thighs in schools because they're, you know, playing with it. But damn. Point a gun at another cop and then pull the trigger.

[A]

All right guys, we'll. We'll be right back. We got Dominic Izzo in studio. I'm gonna get his take on this before we move on to the next topic. We'll be right back after this. Commercial break.

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Right on. Before we bring in Dominic, see some people asking about the live tonight. That'll be Counterculture Inc. Live. The Orlando edition is tonight. That's us. That's our hometown. That's our territory. We're the OGs. It will be a sick show that will be on The Counterculture Inc. YouTube. Join us at 8:00pm Eastern Standard Time. We'd love to see you there. It's a place where we can get to know you a little bit better. Without further ado, Dominic Izzo.

[D]

Hi, gents, how are you?

[A]

Hello.

[B]

Good, Dominic.

[A]

Good. Really want your take on this?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

That was the greatest video I've ever seen. Greatest video I've ever seen. I don't think people understand how awesome that is. For police culture, there's two different ways you have to look at it. Number one, so far there's been only discipline and there hasn't been. So it's September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June. So we got 10 months, right? 10 months since the incident. And there's been no criminal charges?

[A]

None.

[B]

I think they do that on purpose. I think they let the gap of the incident go long enough and then just kind of sneak it out on a random Wednesday and go, oh, by the way, here's his body cam.

[D]

Well, here's. This is a bunch of things people have to realize why the police deserve no respect. If this was a citizen. How many times have you guys ever been to where horseplay, they called it horseplay. If this was a citizen's home, you'd be in cuffs and in front of the state or district attorney the next morning and the bond court judge, end of story. There's no. Nothing. Nothing that even remotely it is in dispute about that. Number two, well, there's no such thing as an accident. Accidental discharge. When you're a government official owns a gun, it's a negligent discharge. They talked about that in the discipline. But I love how the chief, instead of condemning it, it was horseplay. Right, Horseplay. But I'm going to tell you, if I'm the officer who shot, this is the greatest thing in the world. Number one, if you're a defense attorney out in California, use this for your defense. The next time Pasadena is involved with a man with a gun call, you get to say, now, my client was just doing horseplay with the officer. Just horseplay. But this is why the police officer. I hope to God it's been 10 months. You were smart enough to do this and you, you kept your mouth, your mouth shut to your union rep, was there. That was a 100% justified shooting. No, wait a second. You tell me that you cannot in incredibly easily articulate. Someone pointed a gun at me. I don't give a. I can't tell if it's horseplay. We're not trained like that. That was a lawful justified shooting. And if that was me, I would go You. I'm not.

[A]

Anyway, you're right.

[B]

And you could sue the department for having one of their officers point a gun at you.

[D]

Doesn't make a difference.

[A]

It was a emotional distress.

[B]

Who pointed the gun first. You could sue him. Yeah, it was a justified shooting. And I can sue the agency because one of their officers negligently pointed a gun at me.

[D]

Awful justified shooting. And where they're stupid is opening up to that horseplayer. There's. This is the greatest video I've ever seen to show the embarrassment that law enforcement is right now. Apparently they can't tell what a justified shooting is and it's horseplay. So they just open themselves up for the public. For police officers go, well, how do you know, officer, if my client had intent to shoot you or were they horsing around and then you saw flat out that was gun pointed at you. You're cheating and discipline kick in. I am addressing a threat that was pointed at me. End of story.

[B]

I, I guess where you're. You're also right because you take the citizen even shooting out of it. If a normal citizen was horse playing in public and pulled a gun out, waved it at his buddy, that there were 911 calls. Officer response 100. They would go, they would, they would go to jail. So you have. I guess it's multi layered as far as I know. This is like a police garage and all that stuff. But if this was in a garage and this happens, they'll be arrested.

[D]

Does this make sense why I am so hard on cops? Because of this. All of us. I did this. I got disciplined for having my gun pulled out on a. It was a white hen pantry clerk. They investigated me for three months. Nobody ever told me about it. I went to. I went. I was in the parking lot. The white hen clerk I saw every day got my coffee before I went to work. He pointed his finger at me and said, bang, bang. I'm in my car, my, my Camry, my personal car. I pull my pistol out and I show him. I go, mine's real. I'll see you later. Put it back in my holster. I didn't point it at him. I didn't know it. Three months they were investigating me and they said if I had lied, they would have fired me on the spot. They go, can you tell us what happened on this day? I go, I don't know what happened. Did you X, Y and Z? Yeah, of course I did. I got a two day suspension for that. So I understand this. And anytime I criticize these Cops out there. It's because now the cameras are everywhere. Everywhere. And you tards, you children are ruining your profession. And if that cop got shot and you're killed, 100 would be justified. 100. I would sink my teeth into defending the cop who actually pulled the trigger.

[A]

I never would have thought about it that way. Dominic, he's always got the good, good angles.

[B]

And that's where I think.

[A]

Mike, I'm serious. Real quick. Like, you roll up, a guy pulls a gun on you, and immediately you're like, did he know I was just talking about him two hours ago? Like, what's going on? Like, he's pointing a gun at me.

[B]

No, it just create the entire situation. Yeah, creates it. What if they were having the old. The cop sharing situation that happens in the agencies and they happen to be sharing a spouse? You know, we're sharing a dispatcher or sharing a records clerk or something. So that all factors in. But I think, like I said, the.

[A]

The

[B]

lack of leadership combined with this generation of cops, that they're taking this job to be funny. And that's where the dancing and all the stuff, other stuff we talk about goes right into this. There was a time you just don't. You just don't do this. You don't. But when you start seeing cops dancing. And Orlando, when we talked about the getting twerked on the Atlanta area has cops just dancing out of control. And it's a big joke. This is really what it's become. And I think we're getting ready to see. This is going to be a common thing. I think we're gonna have a lot of material to talk about. You're gonna see a lot of stupid things like this continue to happen because people are getting into this job as a joke and they're not taking it serious. There's no way you can't pull your gun.

[D]

It's been since the lockdown. And to be honest, you have to look at it one more angle. You guys are very tactical vehicle. Do you want somebody who's going to be looking down the barrel of a gun and not responding, having your back, going to calls?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So I honestly don't think that cop did a thing wrong. Who pulled the trigger. Well done. Well done.

[B]

I look at your situation and I don't. I don't have. Now it's. I don't. I'm gonna say this. I don't think what you did was that terrible. If you showed him your gun. Like we all show each other guns. You didn't point it at the guy. I mean, is it the smartest thing in the world? No, but, I mean, I carry my gun on me. I could do the same thing. Just lift up. Yeah, I got one too. Like, I mean, I know that.

[D]

No, well, this will. This would be a punchline. I got strung up because of another cop. I was in Rolling Meadows, or, excuse me, on Schomburg and Rolling Meadows and off duty. Rolling Meadows cop just happened to be walking from his car to getting coffee at the time, saw it, asked what, caught what town I was from, and then he. He made the complaint about me. So again, one of my brothers in blue was the one who dropped the dime on me.

[B]

But you were. Yeah, that's just. You're. Again. But you didn't point it, like, hey, I got one.

[D]

If. If a member of the public saw it, it doesn't make a difference.

[B]

Yeah, you're right. You're right.

[D]

A member of the public could just. Well, ma', am, did he have his gun pointed at the. The clerker? No, I couldn't tell. All I saw was a gun was out. So it doesn't. I. I took the discipline. Yeah, you're right. And I never did that again because I.

[C]

You're right.

[D]

I Up.

[B]

But that's more. That's more horseplay.

[A]

Rip.

[B]

Ripping around through the, you know, point. I just. I don't understand. There's a lot of jokes to play. There's a lot of funny things we do. I. I can't imagine being so. Lack of having such lack of awareness and. And the seriousness of the job to actually physically pull my gun out in the middle of the station parking lot where there's cameras and everybody's walking and pointing at somebody. It doesn't even make sense in my

[D]

brain, you know, it will. It. No, here's why. Is because we didn't grow up in the generation of police that everything was a joke.

[B]

Right.

[D]

During my time, social media, we had social media policies against us. You couldn't do this stuff. As you see now. You put a comment on a video that I was just like, yeah, this is it. Where the guys are doing. Not everything is a two man job. And you had said your comment was, oh, here, let me look at a thousand other police departments embarrass themselves, and I'm going to do the exact same thing. So now it's the same thing as anything else. You cheat, your wife catches you, you apologize, she forgives you. You're gonna feel not so bad. Mike, maybe I could do it again. If we keep giving these cops the subconscious past that everything is grabass in the department. It's not. It's not far fetched that they're going to be horse playing and doing this stuff. So this is. This is par for the course. That's all it is.

[B]

No and I. I agree with the lacks staff atmosphere and the lack of taking the job serious. It. It transfers I think with an agency and I would. I would be very. I would. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thing happens a lot at this agency. I wouldn't be surprised at all because it takes a lot of other incidents to get to the point where you're comfortable pulling your gun out in a

[D]

parking garage where you know there are other. And cameras. Yes.

[B]

That's what I would like. My first thought was if I was the chief I would go pull a year's worth of video and have somebody watching it and go how many times did these. Because it does horseplay is. I don't even know how you call it horseplay. We had it. We had a guy that sexually harassed a woman in an agent and they downgraded it to horseplay as well. So horseplay can be very very different things. You can. You can harass a woman, you can shoot your partner. Horseplay is very very crazy word we use these days. But I would go back and watch and say bro, we had like 13 of these happen in the last two months. Like this is nuts. Lost control of this agency. I guarantee it's not the first time that happened. There's no way.

[D]

No. And horseplay's everywhere. I may I gotta still find it. I might have the disciplinary memo from it was promoted to sergeant but our sergeant who was one of us came from patrol got promoted sergeant after four years and great guy all this stuff and he said guys got in photo memo. You have to stop playing the ball game. And everybody knows the ball game is gotta. You leave your nuts on fill. You got. You can tap the nuts. You don't guard them. It was specifically in a memo in quotes. Stop playing the ball game and oil checks here you have grown men. We all have guns and badges and we're walking around. You don't got your covered. I'm tapping you right in the nuts. Horseplay. We did it all the time. But I'm glad that somebody came up and said knock this off your professionals.

[B]

Yeah and there's. There's a time there's. I get. We got word men we joke. But yes I I think it most other profession you won't see that at the bank right now, you're gonna see that, you know, Steve at the bank, walking by and smack like it's not, you know, but we call ourselves the professionals, and we want to be held to this super high standard, but we have to tell a group of cops, don't smack each other in the nuts. Like, it doesn't seem.

[D]

It's so hard because I. I. I on Cops because I did this. I'm the guy who, you know, while you and I are on a domestic and you're talking to the victim, I'm behind you because I went to go clear the room, and I looked in her room and found her giant pink dildo. So I'm wagging it over my crotch trying to get you to break a smile while you're interviewing her. I did all that. I. Around like crazy. Can't do it today. You cannot do it. And sadly, it leads to this, because guys aren't disciplined. I was disciplined. These guys aren't.

[A]

Mike, do you want to move on to the Brevard thing? Broward,

[B]

I think we talked about.

[A]

We did. Yeah. Us3. All us3 actually talked about this

[D]

latest video. Latest video with the guy who shot a. Allegedly shot a cat and killed it with a BB gun. Yeah. Goes after. He's got his whole warrant team out there, and. And he's again assigning guilt. Doesn't say allegedly, doesn't do anything, and he talks about animal cruelty, yet his department will sic a German shepherd on you, especially if you're black, like it's the 1960s Chicago riots, and that's animal crutism. He is just.

[B]

And then I got an update to it, so initiated, finally. So we're at Bernice.

[A]

Pulling on to Bernice,

[D]

And that's why was he in the pastor side. That's why I tipped over.

[B]

Yeah, he isn't the best.

[D]

Let's not rush the car unless he's the dog.

[C]

Step out of the car, James, with your hands up, or you're gonna get bit.

[B]

Remember what the command was. Step out of the car with your hands up and watch what the guy does.

[C]

This is your last warning. Step out of the car. You're gonna get dog bit. Now to us with your hands up.

[B]

They even added the dramatic movie music before they violate this guy's civil rights.

[C]

Hands up. I'm down. I'm down, I'm down, I'm down.

[D]

That is a textbook level of compliance. Textbook level. You can't.

[B]

You can't get out of the car. And I challenge everybody to do this. Go out to Your car, sit in the passenger seat, open the door, and then try to get out without touching the door or with your hands up. It's very difficult. What are you doing? He's moving, right? Most people, I bet, can't do it, but that they edited video and I think they even made it. If they tried to edit it to make it look better, they made it look worse. Because I don't know if there's more time and more get out of the cars. But at the moment, he is absolutely. Hands up. Getting out of the car is the exact moment they released the dog.

[D]

My favorite part is when the dog is biting on his forearm and they're going, give me your hands.

[B]

Yeah, like that's what I'm saying. We talked about this again. I would not want to get out of the car with that dog barking knowing that they're mad at me, knowing that there's a problem. So what I. With the update to this was. And I will see how. I'll keep an eye on it. But.

[D]

So this is the second fighting. This is the second dog biting that was beyond unnecessary and was excessive in the last month that we've seen on. On tape. I, I don't condone this, but I ask. I have to wonder.

[A]

Earlier

[D]

it was, it was just. That was Leo's last month. I can't remember. Was guys who were doing a search warrant and some drunk black guy is just annoying them. So they released the dog on him and he bites the dog. At what point? And this is. I don't want this to happen, but should the public be surprised the day the black community is tired of this and they start fighting back.

[B]

So here was the update as I brought it back up. Was family considering legal action use of canine during Brevard man arrest. The family of a Melbourne man is considering legal action against Bar County Sheriff's Office following use of canine. The sheriff's office posted the video of the arrest on its Facebook page as part of the department's riding shotgun segment. So he has a whole segment where he rides shotgun. And I, I, you know, people ask me, would, would I do that? Would, would, whatever. I don't have the problem with the going out and being engaged in things, but obviously when there's a complaint or there's an ultimate decision to be made about the agency, the sheriff has to make that decision. So one of the knocks was if you, you know, if you're. And I get it, and I'm not saying he does this, but there are sheriffs who want to go hang out the book. Right. You want to go get in when you kind of like can't get involved in a lot of that stuff because you have to be the voice of was this force justified? Do I have to discipline this guy? And if you're present, you either got to do it immediately which would. It would have been like, hey, this dog bite is bad. I'm writing you all up. Or you're part of the problem. So how do you.

[A]

How.

[B]

How do you separate your sheriffness from your. The patrol guy on the road that's going to get sued with all the rest of these guys.

[D]

I want to see the whole footage. I wonder if. If at any point in time Wayne Ivy said release the dog. I don't think the canine handler is that irresponsible. I don't think they would be.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder if point that with the share of there you felt more obligated to perform. Right. This dog. I better show this. This dog is. But that is something here. And this is what I would do if I was ever in charge and I wanted. I would make it very clear during the car wind over either when I was in the past receipt. But I'd make it very clear that do not act like I'm here. I'm gonna come out. I want to interact. I want to be a good boss. Right Boss. Good sheriff. Do not treat me any different than a day one training. And I mean that like do not do anything good luck. Do I. But you could if you were a good leader. Because this guy's lying. He's not good guy during the rest of the time. He's not well liked. He's not. Yes. So if you were actually a good leader that I said that to you, you would know. Well, I know Mike personally. This is really what he is. He's not going to do something silly and behind my back. So I will act one. But a guy like this will. It'll never happen. I get contacts from his deputies all the time and people text me that this is all a sham and he's just on camera as a politician. So of course they're going to release the dog because the sheriff's there and says to do it. I would be interested too if he said release that dog. I hope he gets everything he deserves.

[D]

I think that'd be criminal at that point. Oh, well, I don't like the whole thing at all.

[B]

It's pretty close, man. It's pretty close to being. It's not pretty. And I said that

[A]

I was gonna say do you know how easy that lawsuit is, dude, that's like, do what I say or I'm gonna shoot you. And then I shoot you.

[D]

There's been. There's. Well, that's. That's. That's present in almost every single, like, felony stop. Because it's still 20, 26, and guys still don't understand. One person speaks. Everyone else, shut your mouth. There's been video footage. I can't recall where it was at. Guy was on a felony stop, and he's walking towards the car. He's got his hands on the. On the hood of the car. And one cop is screaming, put your. Put your hands behind your back. Another one's saying, don't. Hands off the car. And they shoot him like, you know, two, three times in the stomach. And the guy did exactly what they said. And of course, how did they. Well, he was reaching for a gun. No, he did exactly what he was told. So this. That's prevalent under present on every single one of these stops you saw Wayne.

[B]

That's where. Being a real cop. That's where. Here's where I'm going with this. The felony stop was. If that's what that was, that was garbage anyway. You don't stand in front of the car. You were all open to. If he jumps out with a gun, he would have shot every person there before they could react. They don't have their guns out until the very end, and they're not using the car for cover. So if it was so exigent. Right. That you need the dog up there to bite him, why weren't the other tactics matching the seriousness of the call, which is being at the rear of the car, not exposed. One guy's hands and commands. Get out of the car, spin around, lift your shirt up. Do all that stuff we've been trained to do. It's. It's embedded in good cop's head. On how to get the person out of the car. And what else is going on? You have all the time in the world. He's the passenger of the car. The driver appears to be out. He's the passenger. He's not going anywhere. So it's just all around. I'm all about police work, you know? You know, you know, I have different versions of goon and not. And all the different stuff. We. We all the tactics or tactics.

[D]

I don't care if you're all about

[B]

guys going to jail and using canines when they're used appropriately, but you can't highlight. And then they posted it like we should be talking about this. Like, it was hidden for three months like the shooting of the cops in Pasadena. And somebody dug this out. He posted this with. On his own page and thought it was a good idea.

[D]

It's actually making the case for federalized policing. Because I'm surprised. I don't know how big Brevard county is, but 85% of. I think it's 70 to 85% of police agencies in the United States have sub 20 guys on their. On their department. And if anybody has ever worked for a good old boys club, you know that it's a free for all. It's literally a free for all training is done, what they think they should do. So their tactics like this are literally completely unscrutinized and they have no oversight other than, hey, all right. Make sure that we have it in the file that once a year you guys did baton training, OC training. You know, you went to the range, you qualified so that if they're ever sued, they can pull up the paper, say, no, an officer is opassed. That's all it is. There's no standardized training. And I think that the more you have this going up and people see, all right, this is a problem. I think it's a better argument for federalized policing on a national level.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, federalized policing has lots of good arguments. The only thing stopping is like, constitution.

[D]

Yeah. The 10th amendment. Every, every. Every agency should be disbanded and should have sheriffs. That's it.

[B]

He's got about 840 sworn, which is pretty big.

[D]

So. 840 sworn and ultimately speaking, he's responsible for all of them. Do you really think, based on what you saw in that video, do you think that it's safe to assume because he hand picked who was going to be in that feature video to make him look good? Do you think if that's his level of elite, that his basic road deputies, they've got the greatest tactics on the planet.

[A]

No.

[B]

They may have body cameras.

[D]

That's another thing I just read somebody posted up that that's his and Grady Judd's argument for my body cameras is it's an invasion of privacy for sometimes sensitive circumstances that the citizens go through. What a crock of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, guys,

[B]

I have a camera crew.

[A]

Yeah. We violate the rights of the camera crew.

[D]

Yeah. You're welcome. No, I'll say. So you.

[B]

Are you.

[D]

Mike, tomorrow.

[B]

You want to come online tomorrow night?

[D]

Yeah. Are you busy?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

All right. We gotta talk about your campaign. We're gonna be. Tomorrow night. 8pm's Eastern. No, you weren't. You. I'll criticize you.

[B]

Sorry.

[D]

I'm gonna be asking sheriff's candidate Mike Diltz the important, necessary hard questions that no one else will ask. And we're gonna get this elected. So I guess I'll see you later.

[A]

Man,

[B]

I'm at a Jimmy moment.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

I was eating bologna on the break before looking at me.

[A]

Do you. Did you put cottage cream cottage cheese in the fridge out of a tub of cottage cheese.

[B]

Just open it up and eat it, dude, like a man. What else you do?

[A]

What is wrong with you? All right, there he is. Right? What's up, man? Sorry we're late.

[E]

Good morning. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Can you hear me? Radio check,

[A]

each one of us. Good.

[E]

Sounds good. And, you know, I just want to really empathize with the baloney conversation. As a working class, landless rent peasant, you know, our food choices are definitely part of the equation.

[B]

So it's easy. My dogs like it. I can afford the roast bee, but I like the baloney man

[A]

with the common man here.

[B]

I'm gonna jump in with Ryan here as well, though. I am a landless peasant as well. I. The bank owns everything I own, even though I. They say it's mine. So I agree with you.

[E]

I appreciate this. And it seems like, you know, that's. That's awesome, these generous concessions, right? And, you know, maybe I'll even be more open and willing to, you know, make some concessions of my own. I even like what I heard. Some of the things terrified me about what this Mr. Izzo talks about, but I also hear that he's got some, you know, concessions also. And I think that's really important, you know, because we, you know, put like, veterans in the military on this pedestal, for example, and we have to look at the shape shadow that that pedestal casts. And oftentimes we, like, avoid acknowledging the shadow. We ignore it. We put these blinders on, and it's the 500 pound elephant in the room, which is what leads to veteran suicide.

[A]

Yeah, What I miss?

[B]

Did you see the video of the cops shooting each other?

[E]

Pasadena, right? California, west side.

[B]

West side. Yeah. How's that? What do you think about that? What do you think? As an outsider, what do you think about that video?

[E]

Honestly, in the abolition movement, there's this phrase that cops don't keep us safe. And clearly they don't even keep each other safe. You know, what keeps people safe, right, is like a dignified employment. Right? A roof over your head, food on the table. Right? Basic economic survival. Maybe You've heard of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right?

[A]

Food, water, shelter, relationships.

[E]

This is what prevents what if. What is described as criminal activity, which is probably. I don't think it's described as, like, desperate adaptations.

[A]

We're gonna have Ryan come back out. Mike, tell Ryan to come back out. Come back in, Ryan.

[B]

Ryan, I don't think you can hear. Tyler, can you bounce out and come back in real quick? Roger.

[A]

Thank you. Damn, bro. I've been blown off, but damn. I was like, if Ryan's usually very polite, he lets people talk, he'll stop talking and let people talk.

[B]

He was talking right over you.

[A]

I'm moving my mouth.

[B]

You should have heard what he was saying about you.

[A]

I got served something.

[B]

Oh, cool.

[A]

I'll bring it up on Counterculture tonight. All right. Can you hear me, Ryan?

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so what I was going to ask you is when you say these things, like, the things that. The higher. What is it? The needs. Hierarchical needs.

[E]

True.

[A]

What happens when people try to take hierarchy? What happens when people try to take the roof over your head, try to take the food off your table? Don't you think there's needs to be a police force to. Because there is bad people out there. They're going to want what you have, the security that you have. Someone's going to try to take.

[E]

Isn't this interesting? Right? How do we do this? We do this with sheriffs. Isn't that the role of the county sheriff is to evict tenants from their housing units? And I've slept outside before, you know, camping. But it's a terrifying experience to do it unwillingly. Right. Unpredictably, often. And I can understand the lengths that people go to maintain, like I said, these hierarchy of needs especially. You know, it's really interesting in the context that in San Francisco, for every single unhoused Citizen, there are six vacant empty housing units. Nationwide, it's greater than one to 20.

[A]

Well, I have a question is. Let's say. Let's say you came across money, whether it be lottery, family, auto, you earned it. You know, your. Your 501, you know, blows up and you're like, hey, we just got a million dollars. What we're going to do is we're going to invest in a lot of properties, right? We're gonna. That's what we're gonna do because we want to give shelter to people. You're gonna start a new initiative where you actually try to break this mold of the things you're talking about. But let's just say Some people are destroying it from the inside, not being good tenants. You've owned everything in your 12 step program to work with them, and they have to get out. Are you going to call the police to get them out, or are you just going to allow them to stay there, eat that chunk of money and move on and buy another house and let them have that house?

[E]

You know, it's interesting, man, this is a great conversation, right? Because in San Francisco, where I work, in public housing units where tenants have these really strict lease compliance requirements, right? Well, what's interesting is that these are like Americans for Disability ADA buildings, accessible buildings. These have the. Our buildings have city and county contracts, and they are in such disrepair that folks that are amputees have to crawl up six and seven flights of stairs because the elevators don't work again. And an elevator. And actually WI fi is also included in their entitlements to their leases, but it's unidirectional. They can't call the sheriff and say, hey, evict my landlord, because they're not meeting the obligations of the lease.

[A]

But I think I might. Unless I missed it. Did he answer my question?

[B]

No. What I think what he's trying to say is, let's pretend you don't live in a high rise. Let's pretend Ryan lives in a. In a beautiful, single occupied dwelling. And you're living life. You're cooking your vegetable, or you're growing your vegetables and you're eating. Everything's going great, and somebody shows up and says, you have to leave because this is mine now. What do you do?

[E]

Like, myself.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

Depends who's.

[A]

Who's. Well, you asked, like, you asked him a naughty question.

[B]

I show up as. I'm just another peasant, landless peasant. And I'm like, but Ryan's landless, peasant house is nicer than mine. I'm coming to take it. No cops involved. When I'm not the sheriff, I'm just another dude. I show up at your door and I'm like, hey, bro, I'm taking. It's a walking dead. I'm taking this. This is mine. What? You. You just defend yourself.

[E]

Oh, you know what? I actually love this idea. Right? Honestly? No, no, this is great.

[A]

Great. Like.

[E]

And I'm trying to, like, riff on it with you, right? Because this is like a hypothetical.

[B]

Right?

[E]

So, like, let's go.

[A]

Right, right.

[E]

I'm actually. Listen, listen, listen, listen, Comrade, comrade. Like, I would think that myself and most like proletariat revolutionaries think that this is actually a good idea. And really what you and I and me and this chat and everyone that might be watching on Instagram later needs to do is actually come together, organize in an organized way. And these banks that own all these properties, like you just said, right? These landlords, these absentee landlords that have these portfolios of, you know, housing units and call it their profession, right? This parasitic class, we need to do exactly what you're saying. I'm saying, hey, you know what?

[B]

There's still gonna be people in that world. I don't care how perfect we make it. It's human nature for me to go, all right? There's no banks. We all have our castle. We have. There's still human beings that have the mental capacity or the non mental capacity that we're gonna go, I want more. So even though I have this one, I want that one. And I'm gonna go over that one. That's where you're not gonna. Mental health, all those issues, you're never gonna stop somebody from going, I want his too. You're never. There's going to be somebody walking amongst us in this perfect world that is still going to do that.

[E]

This is like an interesting idea also, right? And I, you know, kind of mostly agree with you. And the answer to this is a society that is not so socially stratified, right? Like this gap, this wealth gap between this, the wealthy investor class, right, and then the rest of us, right? Which creates that animosity, like you're saying, right?

[A]

I can tell you right now, the poor do it to the poor. The wealthy do the wealthy. I'm not. I'm not poor by any means. I'm not wealthy by any means. But I'm telling you, people will you over in business, they will take what's yours for themselves. It doesn't matter, dude. It doesn't. And I'm not yelling at you. I'm sorry. I'm just saying, like, these people, no matter what class you're in, they don't care. They'll write you off and they'll steal billions from you, and you might have billions and go, damn it, that sucks. Or they might take your dwelling and go, this is mine now. Unless you have Sheriff Dilks, I. You can call Sheriff Dilks and go, this insane person, Tyler, likes my dwelling better. And he's like, I'm coming inside. Please. You know, I don't want to have to shoot Tyler. Please come deal with Tyler. It's the. The point.

[E]

I think we agree on more on this session than we might have ever have before. So I'm I'm with you on this.

[B]

Right?

[E]

And like this,

[A]

JoJo sent a super chat for you, Ryan. Yeah, you got. I forgot to pay for questions. I forgot I had to pay for questions. Tell Ryan that I think he probably has some legit points about prison systems, but I need to understand more about what his alternative would be.

[E]

Yeah, this is a great question. And, you know, I just want to acknowledge I was raised in the house that mass incarceration built, such that my beloved stepmother is retired from the California Correctional system. She was a guard in the tower with a rifle at one point and then ended up retiring as a, a correctional counselor. So. And I've toured Vacaville, the state prison there. They had like a family day where we can go and like, tour the prisons. And I was looking through this cell, right? And you know, I'm on my toes because I'm a kid, you know, and like, it's really neat and orderly. And then what happened was the inmate, right, the human being in that cell moved right from off, you know, beyond the window to like, right in front of me and just scared the crap out of me right as this kid. And I grew up on like, Miami Vice and Cops and America Most Wanted and all the, you know, 80s and 90s cop copaganda dramas, Lethal Weapon, right? And all this, Beverly Hills Cop. I grew up on all this, and I thought that people in prison just made bad decisions and deserve to be there. And then I read this book, no Bullshit. Completely shifted my worldview, my perspective. And it's called the New Jim Crow. Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, written by Michelle Alexander. And it informed me that this country was built on indigenous genocide, indigenous displacement, dispossession, slavery, right? And there were these systems to keep particular social classes as the underclass, the oppressed. Then the Emancipation Proclamation, Civil War occurred. There had to be a new system. This was Jim Crow. Separate but equal. Drinking fountains, schools, oil, all this, right? And then that was legislatively abolished with Brown vs Board of Education Civil Rights movement. And there had to be a new system to maintain this particular portion of the population as the underclass. And this is the war on Drugs.

[A]

I zoned out about three minutes ago.

[D]

No,

[B]

I, I, yeah, I mean, I, some of that I agree with, but at some point there's also so many people committing crime, and maybe what you're talking about started that way, but now there's just, you just can't keep up with it because they're just, every day there's people Breaking in cars or people breaking in housing. Maybe, maybe we got here because of what you're talking about, the landless peasants and, and the bank, what, all that stuff. But at some point now it's kind of like we bought, like, unfortunately, we can't reverse the clock and go back and go, let's fix all these problems. I'm sure we would do. I would. I would change a lot of things. We probably, I don't know, I wouldn't be communist, but I would definitely change some of the banking rules. And who can be. You know, the fact that we are working for about, you know, six or eight different people that are controlling everything with all this money, that probably isn't the best idea. But at the same time, we're here. So here we are. We got crime, rampant drug addicts. We. We can't just go, you know what? We made a lot of mistakes before. We're just gonna stop. We're not gonna do putting bills in jail. We're not gonna do any of stuff. We're just gonna fix it. Because we would all. I think most humans that have a decent heart would be like, let's fix it. There's no reason just to watch people suffer, but we can't wave a wand. So now we're stuck with crime, drug addicts, and we have to, like, put them somewhere so that they're not, you know, like your. Your hut not getting broken into. Right? So that's where. I just don't know what your solution to where we are now. I agree with the past. There's a lot of things we could have done in the past that probably we wouldn't do again if we knew this is where we're going to end up, because here we are. So what do we do now?

[E]

Yeah, this is a great question, right? We can't change the past, but we can predict the future or even move toward a different future if we, you know, acknowledge the past and allow that to inform us to move, move forward in a good way and right relationship to all of it. And I think, you know, in communities where folks are all poor, right, the mental health challenges aren't as bad actually, as folks where there's this disparity. Right. San Francisco, the wealthiest city in the country, has this population of unhoused folks, right. That this billionaire mayor is sweeping and displacing left and right. It's really horrific, honestly, and like, heartless. So what is the solution? Eliminate billionaires.

[A]

Right?

[E]

You get the 999 million, right? Okay, you're good. You Won capitalism, right. Generations beyond, you will never have to worry. And everything beyond that goes to the

[A]

state

[E]

estate taxes when you die. Especially if you're a wealthy, wealthy person. You shouldn't be able to hide all that in these foundations or these creative ways. And listen, if we want to talk about crime, comrade, I think we have to really acknowledge late stage capitalism and like corporate scamming, government corruption. You want to talk about banking policies. Maybe you're familiar with Glass Steagall and this was the law that required investment banks to be separate from regular consumer banks to make sure that risk was separated. Right.

[B]

Bill Clinton, I would like to see you talk more about this. This is, this is your subject because you're going to lose everybody with communism and they're going to just talk. You are on the point, but you're on the right track. But I think you are the rules of, in like hedge funds and all these things that none of us will ever benefit from, then nobody realized billions and billions of dollars are being protected through scam. Loopholes for that are only available to billionaires. So I'm on your team on that one. I'm 100 on your team on that one. But I think some of the stuff, like I said, we lose each other when it comes to like lawlessness almost. And no cops, which.

[E]

Well, listen though, do you remember Enron?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[E]

And all like the, the cops unions and the teachers unions that had their investments in Enron and how that corporate fraud, that corporate scam eliminated folks's retirements and pensions. Right. And the suicides that, that included and the downwind death that came from that.

[A]

Right.

[E]

We don't, but we talk about. Oh, street crime is such an issue.

[B]

No, that's, that was a huge. And. But there's only one or there was a few people responsible for that. Right. And then that's it. But that impact was. Yes, that was felt by a lot of people. A lot of people. But I agree with you though. Like, I know, like one of my ones that pisses me off is Steve Cohen, the owner of the Mets has destroyed the Mets. And I'm a sports fan, so it doesn't seem like I'm reaching, but I believe he sold the team out to build casinos in Queens, which he got approval to do. And what do casinos bring more money? They're making like $7 million a day on gambling. So he sacrificed everybody else's happiness to get more money.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then it sounds silly, but there's a whole city that roots for this team. So it's an easy analogy for me in sports, but there are. There. He's a criminal. Steve Cohen defrauded millions and millions of dollars and didn't do any jail time. Paid some fines, but no, I agree with you that there are elitist corporate people that are doing things with billions of dollars to protect themselves and they'll never suffer in their life while we all suffer. So that side of it, you have me. You have me sold on that.

[E]

I just say, like, the. The impact of harm, right? The impact of harm from government, corporate corruption and white collar crime, I will argue is vastly greater than.

[B]

It's hard to street on though, right?

[E]

It's hard to put and directly contributes to the conditions that street crime engenders.

[B]

But it's not cool, right? There's no gun, there's no shootouts, there's no, you know, bus. There's no canine bites. So we ignore it. But no, I agree. But it's. And it's harder to investigate, right? It's harder to look into. Well, harder and also easier to ignore. Right. Because nobody's dying on the side of the street.

[E]

Can I ask. They are.

[B]

You can't see that they're dying because of that. Yeah.

[E]

I would love to, like, hear your guys's perspective on something and because I've been like, in this mill that, you know, social media world for a long time and there's been this like, anti human trafficking campaign for a long time, right? Some. Some bro vets, some dudes, like, consider this. They're like, righteousness, protect the children. They, you know, deployed overseas to liberate these kids and stuff, right?

[A]

Yes.

[E]

And these are like your. Your NVG Goggle bros, right? Like, you're going to.

[A]

You're always going to get a fan of me when you shit on soft dudes. I love it.

[E]

Hey, and I'm just wondering, bruh, like, the Epstein list exists.

[B]

Go get them. Right?

[E]

Hey, comrade Luigi is a thing.

[B]

Yeah, so.

[A]

Oh, that guy.

[D]

Huh?

[B]

So you're saying that. Yeah, they're not going after those Epstein. They're going after.

[E]

Where y' all at.

[B]

Yeah, it's all.

[E]

It's all huffing social media. Huff and no puff.

[A]

Yeah. So you're saying that. Okay, I will say this. So you're saying for once I agree with your argument. Let's take care of our backyard first with child trafficking in the United States. And then once we end that, by all means, go out there and save the kids of Ukraine.

[B]

Child trafficking.

[A]

I do. I do, Mike. I see so many cool guy videos of, like, this, we're coming for you.

[B]

You touch our kids where.

[A]

No, you're not. What are you doing? Because it's you. You go after our capital or you go after our politicians, that's treason. You'll die if you don't succeed in your mission. So they don't want to. They want to go to Africa or these third world countries to do it, get paid a large sum of money and go home.

[B]

Well, even, even. And I'm not knocking this because I believe it, but that the ones that lure, like the pedophiles in and text them and then beat them up on Instagram, it's like, it makes good videos, right? And they're definitely terrible people. But we have a whole list of elitists that we all believe we're involved in, like eating children and drinking blood. But nobody's gone after anybody, right? It's just everybody knows it's happened. We all have our. There's a whole list, but nobody's gone after one people. One person on that list and said, I'm gonna go get that guy. I'm gonna get.

[A]

And I, and I, I agree with Ryan. I don't condone violence. I'm not sitting here saying, anybody do it, but damn, if you're gonna do it, don't brag about it, do it. But.

[E]

And this is interesting too, right? Because I think a big part of this phenomena is that it's exotic sized, where American exceptionalism is this idea of, we're different, we're not like the other empires. We are American Manifest Destiny bros. Right? And we. So they go to Thailand, right? They go to like these places that are known for high sex trafficking experiences, right? And known for Europeans, Australians, Americans coming to have sex with children, essentially, right? And this is an issue, and you know where a lot of this comes from is the US bases that have been part of that region, right? And what occurred, it was interesting. I was in this space of writer writers that are veterans, and one of them was a Vietnam veteran. And they told me about this tradition of where coming back from Vietnam on ship, they would stop in the Philippines, they would stop in Thailand. Why? So that these men can get their sexual violence out of their systems on these brown women before they got home to their often white partners and wives. So this is part of our military veteran culture and heritage. That shadow that I was talking to you about earlier that we got to talk about, because you know what also happens is there's so many mixed race children where US military bases are that are abandoned by their fathers in most cases, and in these countries, citizenship is determined by paternalism. So your father has to show up.

[A]

Right.

[E]

And prove that, you know, you exist. And they don't have access to social services. They got to go to special schools. They're relegated as, like, an underclass in their cultures. So, like you said.

[A]

Right.

[E]

Don't address our own backyard in this Epstein list. We got to go on these exotic location retreats and, you know, do all this ops.

[B]

Yeah. Because we got. And this is where I'm going to agree with you again. If we were told that Iran was trafficking that many people and that was happening over there, that'd be a reason to bomb them. Right?

[A]

Helicopter Special forces come in, liberating the

[B]

people of Iran from all these inhumane government. But if. Yeah. I mean, that Epstein list is a. Is a hell of an animal, isn't it? That's a. That's an interesting subject. That.

[E]

And Right.

[B]

We just.

[E]

We just.

[A]

Right.

[B]

We're cool with the aliens. We're cool with the 911. Now we're just cool with, like, a whole list of people that we believe did the most horrendous things you could absolutely do. And we're just like, yeah, who cares? Right? So.

[E]

And polls showed that after Operation Epstein Fury in Iran began, searches of the Epstein files reduced. Right. It was a direct correlation. So here we are right now. Now what. What are we going to do about it? I'm just a humble, you know, therapist.

[B]

Right.

[E]

I don't got no MVGs. Houston, the same. If that's your thing, that's your thing. You got worse to do.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

I couldn't agree more, Ryan. I could not agree more.

[E]

And so why. Why are these billionaires getting bunkers? That's the article that recently came out.

[B]

It's a lot.

[E]

Zuckerberg and Hawaii all over the world, right?

[B]

Why.

[E]

Why might that be? What might they be expecting?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. They can hide, right. Can't get to them.

[E]

And so based on your life. But, you know, in closing, because I got a dip. Mr. Izzo was talking about body cameras and these invasive sort of arguments. Right. And I agree. Liberals want body cameras, abolitionists want to dismantle the police. I was walking in Palo Alto, which

[B]

is

[E]

Silicon Valley, epicenter. I'm going by this cafe, and there are a lot of venture capitalists. I hear this pitch about these AI Bros want to take body cam footage to automate report writing, save a lot of time, and help expedite a lot of that. And that's how it's sort of sold. But there's this whole data collection in terms of your biometric data, including your gate, they can detect your walk. It's like your fingerprint. It's uniquely yours. So all this AI data surveillance, state infrastructure that you want to talk about corruption, right? Even Bernie Sanders is trying to convince the people to have ownership in data centers. Now, why is that? Because they are sinking in money, right? Huge, huge costs. Huge costs. And they want to socialize that debt, right? They want to make taxpayers have to pay for that, and then they privatize the profit, right? The profits are going to go to a few people. The debt goes to us. And if you remember the housing crisis, right, and the bailouts, here we are. It's got to start making sense to folks, I would hope. God willing.

[A]

All right. Ryan. Hey, I know you got a bounce, man. Thank you so much. You're the only one that doesn't cancel on us. Always on time, always with something to talk about. We'll see you next week, buddy.

[E]

I'm gonna be out of town the 20th to the 30th. Keep that in mind. Thank you.

[A]

All right, never mind.

[B]

No, he's only gonna miss one day. He'll be here next week. He'll miss the following.

[A]

Oh, man. Going from Dominic Izzo to a Marine communist, like, there's only so much my brain can handle. And then we. We hit it hard before Dominic for a straight hour.

[B]

So, yeah, I mean, I. I'm not gonna be very popular, but he. His views on the banking system and that billionaire stuff are very, I believe, very accurate.

[A]

I think, honestly, man, there's so much more. The. That's right. It's. There's half the. That we agree on, and the other half that we don't agree on is very detrimental to existing coexisting with somebody like that.

[B]

You have to have police and you have to have law and order, and you have to be able to take people out that are acting craz. So that I believe, you know, we have to stop those people because they're going to be in any society. But I think I'm. I'm there with him on the. The. The banking stuff. That is. That's real. These people invest in all these weird funds and all this stuff they're allowed to do with their money. It's just we're never. You'll never see that kind of money, man.

[A]

Ever. You'll never see money. Yeah, you have to be. They got ahead of the game 250 years ago when this country was created, and then a hundred Years ago.

[B]

Nick. Nick. You know, Nick G Money. The G Money show. Did he show up last night at all? It was on.

[A]

He showed up the last 10 minutes of the show. Yeah.

[B]

So he's, you know, he's huge on Trump. Huge on Trump. And I'm still waiting for this 10 cap on credit cards. Where is it?

[A]

Sounds like an idea.

[B]

Where is it? Where is it, man? Where, you know, interest rates on, you know, 6%, 6 and a half percent on mortgages.

[A]

Well, I'm assuming the problem is you can't do something like that because all the credit card companies are going to sue the federal government for the amount of money they are going to lose. So it's just not that easy.

[B]

But I would. I would make the banks then be the bad guy. Because you're making 10 interest and you're telling me that's not. You're making. Most of them are like 28, 27, 26. Right. And you're telling me you can't live on 10 with all that.

[A]

When was the Federal Reserve created? It was like, wasn't like the. It was, it was the, the 20th century in the 1900s when we went to our current banking system where everything was. You guys don't believe me, go look. Who was on the Titanic. The most infamous shipwreck in history were the people that were going to stand up against the Rothschilds and the. All these banks that have all these. They're the biggest banks out here now. They all, they all. They wanted to do what they did now. And there was a bunch of people on the Titanic that were going to openly step up against them in Congress or whatever. Years.

[B]

I mean, you know, I'd love to gamble. I'm never going to knock gambling, but think about like the gambling and where. I tell you, I talked about it on the show before. The Mets owner ruined the Mets. Steve Cohen. Cohen, He ruins the Mets, get rid of the players, and he building the casino for $18 billion. In order for that casino to survive, they have to bring in $7 million a day of people's lives being ruined by gamble. So just the whole system is rigged for rich people to get richer. And it's just way up there, man. And this guy defrauded people. He got fined. It's just. That's why I do.

[A]

Aaron's 137 says this system that I'm talking about started in 1913. When did the Titanic sink?

[B]

12.

[A]

1912, man. That's crazy. All the people on board that were gonna put a stop to this horseshit yeah.

[B]

So as long. And I did, like, Jojo's, right. It's gone on since Jesus. As long as there's people, we're all up. There's always going to be a problem. Somebody's gonna want more. There's never going to be a time when everybody's happy. Yeah.

[A]

Ryan wants to live in a utopia, which is the kingdom of heaven, where nobody has a bad emotion in them. Right. You ever heard of somebody dying? When they're dying, they say every emotion leaves you, including anger, pain, grief, sorrow. Everything leaves you. And it's the most euphoric feeling ever, which then synthetic drugs injected into your veins give you some kind of weird euphoria for about three minutes. That's what it is. So when you go to heaven, that's where everybody doesn't have the human characteristics that no matter what class you're in, you have and possess. That's why a utopia will never work on Earth.

[B]

I would a challenge in the thousand of his closest comrades. And we will wall off a area, we'll give them all a house, and we'll give them everything. And I would bet my life somebody's gonna want more. At some point. Somebody's gonna want more. Somebody's wife's gonna look. Yeah, garden's gonna look better. Somebody's. Somebody's radishes are going to look better than mine. Their tomatoes are growing better. At some point, somebody in that village is going to want more. And then they're going to go take it. And then it just.

[A]

It's.

[B]

We're back to where we started.

[A]

I'm telling you, people. People that have it all are going to try and take more. So the halves will take from the halves and the have nots will take from the have nots. The haves don't have to take from the have nots. They have the halves from take. It's just. Dude, the Utopia argument is never gonna work.

[B]

Isn't there? The rats, they put like a hundred rats in an area, and by the end, they all killed each other. Like, they had all the food they needed, everything was fine. And by the end of it, they just all just ate each other and killed each other eventually. This one wanted three girlfriends, this one wanted four. Like, it's just never, never gonna work.

[A]

All right?

[D]

And that's.

[B]

We have to have people to get involved in the middle and not shoot each other in the parking garage. All right, that's it.

[A]

Yeah, let's do it, man. I got a meeting.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Thank you guys so much. Join us tonight Live Counterculture Inc. YouTube. You gotta subscribe to the YouTube so you get the notification. We'll be going live at 8 for the Orlando edition of Counterculture Inc. Live, the hometown, the OGs. Our show will be better than the online kids, the JV squad that did one. It was good, but our show would be better. I got Peach coming over. I got Gator coming over. But Mike popping on. We got, from What I hear, CC's even popping on making an appearance. The Florida boys want to do it right, so we're gonna do it right. We'll see you tonight at 8pm Eastern Standard Time on the Counterculture Inc. YouTube and we'll see you tomorrow live 1pm Eastern Standard Time. Michael eat his baloney before the show. Thank you guys so much for joining us. We'll see.

[E]

Sa.

[A]

Team for life.