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Tyler
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JoJo
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JoJo
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Tyler
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Mike
Beautiful. Beautiful.
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Tyler
Good morning, Mike.
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Mike
Good morning, Tyler. How are you?
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Tyler
Good. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously today would be a friend's day, but, you know, we're realizing that we're putting friends on all days. And so ideally, yes, this will be the day if we can schedule something with someone. But, you know, you know, we've been having people on every day. Yeah. So.
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Mike
And I think, like, we could, like we talked about structure is important, but if we have a friend or a person that can only come on in a Thursday or Friday, we're not gonna be like, sorry, dude, he can't come on the show. It's only Wednesday, so we have to be flexible.
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Tyler
Yeah. And then we have, like, breaking news. Like, if we wanted to wait, like, tomorrow we're covering the Australian soldier that. That's getting railroaded by the Australian government, but he's got a bail hearing today, and I don't want to do today and then have a. And then have more news tomorrow. So we're gonna cover that tomorrow. All jokes aside, he's not going anywhere. So unless he gets bail. So that's tomorrow. But then we were like, we got to cover our ncsf, but if we had a guest today, we really can't cover Iran at all. And then just lots of topics. You know, we have the New Jersey officer that just indicted. So today's gonna be a regular broadcast day, to be honest with you. So here we are.
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Mike
Here we are.
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Tyler
The talk. And I ran first. Lots happened in the last 24 hours, but Trump announced last. It was funny because I was telling Heather, I was like, yo, be ready tonight. If there's anything happening before 11pm We're. I'm gonna go to the studio. We're doing emergency broadcast. And she was like, yeah, pretty much figured that. And then as I said that, Nick texted us and was like, yo, ceasefire per Trump. And then we went and checked it out, and sure as it's just a different attitude when you're looking at Trump, now you're looking at Iran. Everybody's, like, really thankful for each other.
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Mike
He was going to obliviate, obliterate their civilization. Six hours earlier, he was going to wipe them off the map. And then it's like, never mind. They're. They're not so bad after all.
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Tyler
Yeah, they're not that bad.
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Mike
And. And I know I saw Ja earlier in the chat and, you know, saying he caved. Ja's been pretty steady on that mindset from the beginning that Trump is bound down and caving. You know, we, we mentioned that it maybe isn't going good yesterday or Tuesday, was it Monday? And Nick came in screaming at us that it's going great. I saw a comment that said leave it to G Money to be the only person in favor of the most un. Unfavorable war so far. Like the only war that even MAGA people are like, I don't know about this one. And all American Nick was all about it.
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Tyler
But yeah, I mean he's, he's very, very insightful. G Money is obviously, you know, having fun. You know, Dick is a very, very good actor essentially and he's a retired cop and we have a blast this. But he believes and he's a. Nick is a. And I see some people, we have a lot of Nicks. So we have Nick the gun guy, we've got Nick Prawl and we've got Nick G Money. So when we're. Right now we're talking about Nick, we're talking about G Money. But I mean at the end of the day you take all the theatrics out of it and he's this, he truly believes this. He's a red blooded American. He's very knowledgeable too. We were kind of worried that, you know, through some of our correspondence and people leaving and people come and we're like, man, you know, I, I know I'm not the best versed in geopolitics or smart at all, so. And you guys point that out all the time. But we were sort of worried about Lou, you know, like, how are we going to cover the stuff? And Nick was like, you know, I know this stuff, right? Nick was like a false Fox News correspondent for a while. Like Nick was part of the gop. Like he's, he's very versed in politics and he's also good on camera. So you know, it was obviously natural fit.
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Mike
Yeah. And you know, like it's. Some of this is entertainment so you gotta always factor that in that you know, we got, we. If we all sat around going, yeah, America, the conversation is going to dive fast. Nick the gun guy, I will call you after the show, I promise. I was supposed to call him last night. He was smoking a brisket and I
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Tyler
completely forgot so I gotta call him too.
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Mike
Yeah. So yeah, but what do you think? So what do you here? You know, we're both uneducated, we're a couple morons. We get on for being former cops that didn't put our time in and all that good stuff just Like, I only did 23, man. I didn't finish, dude. I'm a piece of. Wow, Nick didn't finish. Yeah, you know, none of these guys finished, so. But what, what does it look like for you, for as you've been seeing all this, we're gonna blow them up, we're gonna bomb them, we're gonna kill them, we're gonna in, you know, ruin their civilization. All this. And then all of a sudden, three hours later, hey, we're all good. What do you think about that?
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Tyler
I've seen it firsthand. I mean, we've done it. I mean, at the end of the day, you, you, you. Business is business, dude. And sometimes when you extend an olive branch and then talks can start happening, you're like, okay, like, maybe we don't need to be this aggressive. But it, I guess it's, it's important for opposing people to see that you're, you can be that aggressive. And so I think a lot of us, I mean, Nick brought up a good point too. Like, I gotta send Nick invite too, by the way. But he brought up a good point. He's like, you know, you talk, I'll do it.
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Mike
You talk. All right, you're talking.
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Tyler
He brought up a good point that it's the pussification of America. Like now we, we ourselves so hard on all these stupid wars. We shouldn't have been in that. Nick's argument is that this is a justified war and nobody's behind it because we're too scared to act. Like, instead of react.
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Mike
Yes, I was, I was having that conversation last night with JoJo and I'm like, you know, everybody forgets all. You know, we put the numbers up on one episode. All the Americans Iran is responsible for. But once you put a gap between like recency, we have a tendency of society like 9, 11. We all forgot about that, right? We elected a Muslim in New York. Like, we forgot all that stuff. So we forget all that stuff that happened and it becomes unpopular because you can't go, well, I did it because that, like that right there, that happened last week, that's why I'm mad at this person. You got to go back and see the history. And then is it good for the world to have this crazy lunatic regime? You know, they, I don't know if anybody's been paying attention. They're hanging like weekly, like young amazing athletes from Iran. They're getting them on some bogus war crime or anti government where they were like out in the protest. Like they've hung a great musician they hung a young kid that was like going to be an Olympic wrestler, publicly hung them in a bogus like made up trial for, you know, going against the government. And they're of course they're not just hanging regular people, they're, they do, but they're making a spectacle out of these like young, I'm talking like really good musician, really good athlete, just killing them in public because they were outside during a protest.
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Tyler
And in these talks, in these talks, I mean, is it going to be a regime changeover? Because right now these talks for no violence are just about the straight of Hamas. They're not really, it's we lot. If, correct me if I'm wrong, the last transmissions that have been put out publicly by each government are that this is solely a two week ceasefire that I saw somebody said Iran already violated. I'm not sure about that. But they're not, they're not, they're not even talking about the regime change, the full surrender because obviously, you know, at the end of the day
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Mike
we are
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Tyler
a beacon of light, freedom, Christianity, like not evil. Now I know we have some evil deep state stuff going on in our own government that we're handling as a country ourselves. I think we're doing a very good job as a population, as podcasts and you know, but at the end of the day, America is a beacon for hope and freedom and we show the world what it's like and then do, do we sit back and allow people to be hung for? I like essentially acknowledging Western culture, acknowledging freedom of religion, acknowledging that oppression is bad. You know, do we go in there and say, you guys can't do this, there's a regime change it, I know it's like force. You have to sometimes like, hey, I don't want to use force, but we might have to. And nobody in America wants that. We all want us. We don't want this war that ran. But then America's founded on being the beacon of light.
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Mike
Yeah. And you know, we can't police everybody because I, I, my algorithm goes crazy sometimes. I saw in Africa some of the governments are like, it's terrible, dude. I watch a video, they like murdered a mother's children in front of her because she's a Christian. Like just brutal. They didn't show the murder, but they showed her watching her kids. Can we go to every country and police? Because that's horrible. No, but kind of like policing.
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Tyler
They filmed her watching her kids be murdered.
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Mike
Yep. It was like one of those ones I wish I never saw. And I did see it like a lady on her knees, like standing around with like people around her and they're killing her two children and they're filming her watching her kids get killed for no more than being a Christian.
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Tyler
Just pure evil.
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Mike
Yeah, it's evil, but we can't do everything. So you already have an evil regime. Where I equate this to like police work is, you know, you'll get a lot of rich people say, well I don't ever see a cop car in my neighborhood. Yeah, we really don't need to come over. Like there's no reason to. Like you're pretty safe. You're behind like nine gates and a security guard company and all that.
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Tyler
You've got a lot of money.
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Mike
Yes. So we're not good. But, but where does more resources go? Where the crime is. So we're already at a place where there's war, crime or crime. So it's like now they're doing this stuff, they're hanging people. We're already here. Let's try to fix all that. Instead of like, let's just go in Africa and start a fight and you know this, let's do that. Let's go here and do that. We're already there. Just like when you patrol a shitty neighborhood, you're already there and you see a traffic violent. Well, it's probably going to be something bad here. Let me go stop this. I don't care what you say. It's not. You can spin in everyone. You're not going to find crime in a gated community where every house is $1 million unless it's blue collar crime. And you really can't find that proactively driving through the neighborhood, you're going to have to have.
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Tyler
But the rich neighborhoods are able to pay for security gates like so when we go, you know, like Europe, Europe's falling apart at their own accord. At the end of the day, I don't give a about Europe. I don't. They're allowing. They've never been based on real freedom at all. I, I do care for them, but I don't. They're not being slaughtered like, like you're saying, like if we were going to focus our resources anywhere in the world, Europe, for me, it would not be one of them.
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Mike
England, you know, they got their own. They, they made their bed. They have the resources to stop it.
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Tyler
Right.
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Mike
Choose not to.
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Tyler
Yeah. So you know, yeah, I would be. But here's the thing. Why, you know, if you, if you explained as the president, United States, I'm spending, I am sending special operations in some conventional units to Africa to stop this Neanderthal evil behavior. And you showed that clip of that woman, which you can't show on mainstream media. I get that, but I think a lot of the people would be like, okay, like, I don't want to be in for foreign wars, but this can't go on. Like, I can't sleep at night knowing that this is going on, but I'm safe here in America.
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Mike
I saw that four days ago, and I can't stop thinking. I mean, there's just a horror. The terror of, like. It reminds me of, like, Walking Dead. We all talk about Walking Dead. When, like, Negan came along and started killing people in the. In making a point, it's the same feeling I got. That was obviously a show, but it still hit home. It was very realistic then to see it in the real world and think, imagine you just want to live life, have your children, and the government comes and kills your children in front of you because you believe.
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Tyler
A different religion, like, real oppression right there. That is.
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Mike
That's crazy work. But then here in this country, everybody's oppressed. That's getting benefits and. And free housing, and, you know, they're struggling, man, it's horrible. Horrible money.
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Tyler
Yeah. So going back. I mean, so at the end of the day, Iran is. We're not seeing a. We lost the focus on regime change within, like, a couple days, and now we're just focusing on the straight of hormose. Horaz. How do you say it, Herm?
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Mike
Yeah, that's where the money's at, dude. They got to get the oil out of the region to. To pay bills. So it kind of goes along with what I was trying to say the other day, that somebody. I watched the reel for, like, five minutes where somebody explained this, and it's going in that order. Where Trump ends up being, like, the man because he's able to get all the oil back here and then use it to, like, reduce our debt because we got control of it all. Unless he's gonna pull it off. But it's kind of going the way this guy said. Very amateur dude, just ranting on the Internet. But it all looks pretty in line. Like, if he can get that oil and bring the gas prices back down and all that stuff, everybody's gonna go, wait a second. My gas is $2 a gallon. That was a great war, like, right? Do we really care about dead people? And it's America. Do we care that people are dying and bombs are going off? Because everybody's all the school children let let Seattle get gas or California get gas cut in half. I'm like, boy, this is great. This gas tank's cheap to fill up now like everybody, they're gonna forget all that stuff happens. Like keep the same I always say keep the same energy. You're mad about it. When gas is $6 a gallon, you better still be mad at if gas goes down to $2 a gallon, don't change your mind and go, well, yeah, you're right. It was just a good idea because why you're saving money.
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Tyler
But like, yep, that's the American. That's the American in everybody.
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Mike
Yes. Yeah, it doesn't bother. It doesn't affect me. I don't see it. And oh my God, I'm like, that's it.
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Tyler
Somebody said, somebody said in a comment I Yuma drew I'm keeping score correctly. Before the war, Iran had 1,000 pounds of uranium in the Strait of Hormuz was open her muse. Now Iran has £1,000 of rain in the street of I'm assuming reason for going there. Right?
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Mike
There's my dog's barking. That was our reason for going. Right.
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Tyler
Except the Straits closed.
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Mike
Yeah, we're losing money. So now we're back to making money. If we can make money on oil, like keep that's was one of the arguments was we didn't do, we didn't do anything we said we were doing. Then they said the restrictions on nukes was like ignored. Like, okay, we're not going to regulate. We're not going to make sure you're not doing anything. We just want the straight open. So then they get the straight open. I mean, dude, Trump was off the rail. I don't care what anybody says like him. I, I, I don't dislike him. I like him. But he was pretty Vince McMahon, WWE, like off the rails with those tweets, dude. Like, literally, I'm gonna obliterate your civilization. I'm gonna that's why we I get it, I get it.
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Tyler
And now. But we're falling in the same trap. Well, now I don't like it. Now I don't like it because I want something to about Because I'm an American.
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Mike
She doesn't want to hear me talk, so she shut the door.
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Tyler
You know, I'm an American and I want like something to complain about, you know.
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Mike
Well, they're always going to want something to complain about, but at least Nick's
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Tyler
keeping that g money's keeping that energy up.
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Mike
Yeah, I mean I support the President. I'm Not, I'm not saying I don't support him, but I just, I want to see that. I would love to see Gas come all the way down because now it's always the, you know, we put the Biden stickers on. I did that. I did that. Now there's the. Some people are putting Jewish related stickers on there now with the high prices or Trump, like, you voted for this. Let Gas come all the way down. Let's see if it happens and then see what everybody says. Then was it, was it worth it? Was it a good deal? We'll see.
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Tyler
Yeah, I tried finding. First off, let. Let me show you something. X. Is it x dot com. Please don't be born. Please don't be born. Okay. Yes. And I'm logged in. Awesome. All right, so if you go to Trump, Donald J. Trump. 11.2 million followers. So now I'm going to bring you guys with me on this journey to looking at Trump's tweet or Twitter or Instagram. So here we are. Donald J. Trump pinned, obviously a pin post. Cool. February 28th was his last post.
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Mike
You got to get on True Social. That's where he gives more.
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Tyler
Okay, so he's not. Why isn't he posting on X? Because all these screenshots, him and Elon
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Mike
Musk had all that, you know. So Trump is bigger truth. He's bigger on True Social.
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Tyler
What the. Is True Social his own?
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Mike
Here, let me bring it up. It's his own network. I'll bring it up.
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Tyler
The White House posts pretty hourly, but again, we have determined. Okay, so the United States will work closely with Iran, which we have determined has gone through what will be a very productive regime change. There will be no enrichment over uranium and the United States will, working with Iran, dig up and remove all deeply buried B2 bombers. Nuclear dust. It is now and has been under very exacting satellite surveillance. Space Force. Nothing has been touched from the dark attack. We are and will be taking tariff and sanctions relief with Iran. Many of the 15 points have already been agreed to. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So that was three hours ago.
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Mike
Yeah. Then he had more to say. I don't know if he put it on there.
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Tyler
No.
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Mike
Three hours ago. Three hours ago on True Social. He also wrote, a country supplying military weapons to our. Will be immediately tariffed on any and all goods sold the United States of America 50, effective immediately. There will be no exclusions or exemptions. President Trump. So he's doubling down on you. Cooperate with Iran. We're tariffing you 50%.
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Tyler
Yeah. I mean, here's. Okay, so propaganda and media are huge in anything you do, right? We've seen that. We've seen people tell us one thing and then turn around and get on camera and say an exact other thing. And we're like, what the. The are they doing? Are they mentally ill? You know, so I get it. It's. To some extent, you know, I had to talk with Michael. Yeah, man. I. All I want to do is be a broadcast for two hours a day that we. And we just entertain the. Out of people. I want a fun environment. We can cover news topics, trends, we can cover drama. But at the end of the day, I don't want to really be as affiliated with anybody. I don't. I want us to be our own thing. And, you know, we keep getting, you know, we'll catch a stray here and there, and it's like, do we address it? That's the biggest thing is do you address it? And so, like, Trump right now is like, you know, going back and forth in his tweets, which made you say the other day, is it possible he might start having dementia? And nobody wants to go like, Mr.
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Mike
President, he started cussing a lot. He started using. He swore all the time, but he just. It seemed to get a little excessive, you know, when, like a guy, you know, you gotta cuss when you work as a cop, you gotta use the F word here, there, but when you do it a little too much, you look at the guy like, bro, did you. Did you not have coffee this morning? Like, you cuffed a lot? Like, all of a sudden he just starts swearing all the time, Which I don't have a problem with it, but it seemed more than normal, like you're losing an argument. So you start using cuss words to, like, make it sound worse.
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Tyler
Emotional.
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Mike
Yeah, it's like. So that's where I was. Like, he's acting a little different. We got a super chat there. Just two bucks from rubble. Maidable rubber. Yeah, rubber material. Thank you very much.
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Tyler
I'm assuming you went to type something. I do that all the time. I go to Super Chat and I just donate money because I forget to put the message in there. So if you write anything. Black Hammer, I don't know where.
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Mike
Not KY Jelly, probably Kentucky, but go ahead.
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Tyler
Well, that's where my online Black Hammer. Ky. Oh, yeah. I think day one listener new to the live supporting for the bluegrass date. Hell yeah. Also, what's the Bluegrass state? Is that Virginia?
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Mike
Kentucky.
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Tyler
Is it Kentucky?
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Mike
Pretty sure.
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Tyler
Oh, yeah. You can't make me sound like an idiot. Kentucky, we don't know.
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Mike
Can somebody tell Tyler what the Bluegrass State is?
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Tyler
Blue Grass, Kentucky.
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Mike
This is from Kentucky. I'm just. I'm just gonna go with it.
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Tyler
You might have put ky. These guys have crazy screen names.
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Mike
I get a lot of questions right on Jeopardy for no reason other than, like, my process of elimination goes quick, and I'm like, ky. Probably not ky. Then he says, bluegrass State. He's got KY in his. Like, that all goes through my head pretty quick. Two to our dollars from Rubbermaid. Don't forget rubber made there. He gave us another two bucks and said, oil prices down. Gas prices keep rising. Yeah, the price of oil did die. I believe the barrels went down.
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Tyler
You're going to lose me talking about that. So go ahead, Mike, if you can explain conundrum, go. How does that work? Oil prices went down, gas prices, prices.
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Mike
Well, they're still. There's still. Well, here's why there's still. It's got to catch up. So crude oil is down to 72, 23. There's. It's got to have time to balance itself out. We love. Obviously the oil was short. Prices go up. They got to make sure it's like interest rates. It's all. It's all scam. Let me just start with that. It's all scam. There's. There's a certain group of people, I think, behind all of it, but interest rates go up, gas prices go. It takes time to recorrect itself. Look how long our mortgage rate's been insane. These don't have enough money yet. Chase doesn't have enough money yet. At 7% mortgage rates for 6% mortgages, like, they don't have enough money yet to bring them down.
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Tyler
When Tucker Carlson suggested. I don't really know if he's like, like, really meant it, but he said on it he was doing like a TED Talk or some. Some interview with a big crowd. And he said, I. I don't like change. I hate change. But he's like, at some point, what if the entire world got together or the entire country and said, let's not pay our credit card debt. If everybody did it, it would force the banks to lower the apr. You can't have everyone in the world not pay their credit card debt. And the same with mortgages. If everyone got together and did it, they would have to lower it. They'd have to.
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Mike
Well, if you remember, maybe Nick can help us out here. His great president promised back in January a 10 cap on credit cards. Still ain't seen it. Still ain't seen it.
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Tyler
He did.
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Mike
Yeah, right here. CBS news. Back in January 21st, President Trump. Yeah, well, look, look, this is black and white, too.
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Tyler
If he's wrong, he doesn't want you to be able to see it. He's just gonna read stuff.
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Mike
No, no, no. I'm always right. That's my wife right here. Boom. This is back in January and I closed it. What a. Hold on.
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Tyler
Idiot.
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Mike
Idiot, idiot.
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Tyler
Everybody make fun of Mike now in the comments. Leave me alone.
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Mike
Yeah, please, please make fun of me. I can handle it.
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Tyler
Lewis ain't here. It's a Wednesday.
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Mike
Do you know what. Do you know who I live with? I can handle all the smoke. All right, try this again. All right, so There we go. January 20th. Set a deadline, January 20th of this year for credit card companies to lower their interest rates to 10 for one year. Now that date has arrived. Most banks and card issues have largely kept their rates unchanged while also pushing back against the idea. Trump announced the cap on January 9th, giving banks in this year's 11 days. Well, we are, we are past January 20th. We are April 8th today. And my credit card rates are not locked at 10, I can tell you that.
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Tyler
So that just seems like it's gonna. That's something that would take forever.
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Mike
No, it's a wave of a pen for that. No, but he. Well, I don't know what he was complaining was. But all. You know, you're supposed to say all the banks. So you're talking most credit cards, if you're not excellent credit, you're looking at 25 to 30% interest. That's a significant, obviously, savings for people. So we're talking about money and economy and savings. Imagine if your minimum payment goes down a third or two thirds. You're supposed to be paying 30. You're only paying 10%. That gives you time to buy the staccato, buy your truck, jack your truck up, put the rims on and get more debt. But at least the interest rate is lower on the new debt. But he promised that. He said he was going to do that. You can make the argument. I could put my blue hair on and say, he just got us in another war. Now we're even more broke because our gas prices are high. And now I can't afford gas and my credit cards are still up. This man promised me. Where's the. Show me the money, dog. Show me the money. Where's the interest rates? They're still way high. That would be it. Imagine that we talked about you know, we had American Financial that we came with, great partner of ours, we. That helped with debt. They do a great program. They're great people. Imagine if you had that option with a much lower interest rate on the rest of your stuff. Like, hey, I'm gonna put 30 grand. I'm gonna get this debt paid down. I still got another credit card or two I didn't want to include. Now the interest rate is a third, two thirds less than what it was last month. That's a significant savings for families.
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Tyler
Yeah. The hard part is. The hard part is not going back to credit cards. And there was a post from one of the guys from the Daily Wire today. I saw. It was in Heather's stories. But he was like. He listed all the thing. All the problems that we have, and he's like, iran should be last. And. And one of them was, you know, families can't survive, dude. Like, you take our dollar to some of the most beautiful countries out there, they don't want you to know that. You could live beachside like a king in other countries with amazing food. They don't want you to know that.
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Mike
I know if my algorithm on my personal page is nothing but that, you can go to all of South Asia, beautiful places, where they'll interview locals and say, what is rich in this country? US dollars, $3,000 a month is rich. Not kind of rich. Beautiful beachfront condos with gyms and. And every amenity in the world. You can live like a king at three grand a month.
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Tyler
Yeah. I want you to know that here in the greatest country in the world, that's why it's so important for them to. To make sure we're proud, because the American in me would never do that. But, you know, we can barely survive, like, I mean, to do anything in one week. I had my truck. Everything broke on my truck. It was three grand to fix that. And all the brakes and rotors were all up, so it was time. Three grand on the truck. And then, of course, that same week, the irrigation system in my front yard broke, right? That's. That was 6 or 700 bucks right then and there.
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Mike
Boom.
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Tyler
No one's got. I mean, I'm telling you, right? Rich, dude, I ain't got four grand just sitting around. I mean, we have money. We have savings, but the Heather does not allow our savings to go beyond a threshold. Sometimes I don't understand what the threshold is, because I'm like, wouldn't this be what we have savings for? But no. And so, you know, that's what you have to put credit cards.
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Mike
Why do we stay? Think about this. Okay, so if 30 years ago, there was no Internet, right?
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Tyler
Oh, we have Nick in here, by the way. Do you want to bring Nick?
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Mike
I don't know who started interrupting us. Phony. He'll be mad what we said. Let me finish this. Like 30 years ago, 40 years ago, all the scams. You remember Wolf of Wall street, they were lying to people about, you know, investing. If somebody came to you then without be able to show you, like, you can live in the Philippines, or you can live in Vietnam, or you can live in one of these countries like a king, you'd be like, you can see it now. I don't understand why more people don't take advantage of that. I don't know that we're conditioned to just go, I'm gonna suffer. I'm gonna stay. But you could literally. You don't need a truck. You would never need another truck. You could literally sit on the beach all day in one of those countries. You live at three grand, dude, you're set. The rest of your life, you don't.
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Tyler
You're rich. You're rich.
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Mike
Imagine having 5, 8, 10 grand, dude.
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Tyler
So the only place I go is to get food. I. I live five minutes from the studio, which you could build your own studio. And I have a home gym. I never.
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Mike
Dude, I follow it. It's my algorithm. On my personal page is nothing but Asia. Deals on houses and beachfront resorts, and it is cheap. The flight there is the most. The most money you're gonna spend is to get there the second you pull in. You are a millionaire, dude. A millionaire. If you make what I make in retirement, you're a millionaire. So here we are, though.
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Tyler
I wanna. I want. I want Nick right now to talk us into why, as Americans, we should still stay proud in our country.
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Mike
Even though I'm going to leave. Me and Tyler are leaving for Philippines after the show. Nick, keep us in America.
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Nick G Money
What the. You mean I have to convince you why you should be proud to be an American?
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Mike
What if American. Tell me why I should stay in America.
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Nick G Money
Dude, this is still the greatest country on earth. People that hate this country refuse to leave. Right, Right. The entire world wants to come to America. I don't care. All these Europeans and South Americans and Asians can talk about Americans and how bad they hate the country, and they can tell who the US Tourists are. They all want to live here. They all want to come here. They all want to be us. We're the best country in the World, dude, even with all our flaws and our problems, still the greatest country. We have a lot of that we need to work out right now. Like communism and the blue haired cult, but this is still the best country in the world. This is the only spot in the world where there's no real class system. Now that might piss some people off. Yes, there's uber rich and there's poor people and there's a war in the middle class, but we can do something to fight against that. People who are poor can become rich. You can change your class and it can go both ways. This is the only country in the world you can really change your class. You can't do that anywhere else. It's not going to happen.
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Mike
I agree with that.
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Tyler
And, and then, I mean, what do you think about Americans that are working hard and can barely pay the bills, let alone save, let alone retire, let alone get out of debt? I mean we're, we're all middle class dudes. We're all dealing with that. What, what do you say about that?
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Nick G Money
It's per. It's your own personal growth. Dude. I'm broke right now for my own fault. I went and got loose, did some I shouldn't had, and I'm paying the piper for it right now. It's my own fault. But if you work hard, you do what you need to do, you can pull yourself out and live a comfortable life. You can't do that anywhere else. The entire world, the entire world is going through being broke and can't afford living or housing. Go look at how a lot of these people live. I believe just the medium. Like if you're making 30 or $40,000, like you're, you're top 1% of the world.
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Mike
Where else does that happen except here? You're broke.
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Tyler
Yeah, yeah.
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Mike
Rent. Rent is two grand a month now, man. Is higher than my mortgage. My mortgage is.
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Tyler
That's we're talking about Nick. You know, people high up people like all these. Tucker Carlson is saying if the entire world got together or the entire country.
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Nick G Money
Dude, that dude's off his rocker. Him.
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Tyler
What do we do about it?
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Nick G Money
First off? I mean, dude, do you want to. Do you want to talk about this for an hour? I mean that's not like a 30 second quip to talk about how, what we can do about it.
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Mike
Give me the AI like three paragraphs. Synopsis.
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Nick G Money
All right, so what do we do about what? The rent being too high. Like that politician.
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Tyler
Yeah, too damn high.
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Mike
Have you ever seen that black guy that ran on that?
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Nick G Money
I know I know people are going to be like, oh, you're a dick rider, dude. You're, I don't know what the kids. Glazing. I'm glazing. Trump. Didn't Trump just do something to where he stopped corporate America from being able to purchase single homes? That is the, one of the main factors in our rent being too high. All these corporate businesses like BlackRock,
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Mike
like
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Nick G Money
Vanguard, they're buying single dwelling homes for the middle class and they're getting rid of private ownership. This has been the game plan for a long time. They, they speak openly about it at Davos and the World Forum. You know, that's, and Trump did something about it. He stopped corporations being able to buy single dwelling homes.
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Tyler
How do you do that executive order?
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Nick G Money
I'm not sure exactly I can give you. But he did.
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Tyler
Yeah, he did. He did stop it, didn't propose it. He actually put a stop to it.
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Nick G Money
I, I believe it might be an executive order. I don't know that much about. I can look into it, give you a better answer.
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Tyler
I'm not gonna bullshit about Trump saying that he was Gonna lower all 10, you know, the, the all credit cards APR to 10 for now, for, for a short period of time to let people catch up.
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Nick G Money
That's a great plan. I mean, that's part of, I mean, you know, a very terrible man got rid of interest one point at one time. That terrible guy did a lot of good things for the infrastructure of his country before he went crazy. But interest is, is a, there's people that are preying on the poor and preying on people trying to pull themselves out and it's predatory and it's a good move. I don't think there should be a cap on interest. And at the same time, again, you know, I'm kind of conflicted because this is a great country and you should be able to make up your mind if you want to make up your mind. If I want to go be able to take a loan at 30, I should be able to do that. But there's a lot, I agree with that.
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Tyler
A lot of people say it's like people being taken advantage of, like, hey, our, our system and our society is going to put you in a bind, in a position that you can't get out of unless you take this. But this costs way more and they can never out of it. And that's where I, I am conflicted because would you rather live a life where you have no options or would you rather take what options you have? And it's Your choice if you want to take a credit card out for 30 APR. Because I do believe if done right, you can get yourself out with a credit card, but it has to be done right. I don't believe a lot of Americans have that. I, I don't have that discipline to, to get themselves out of it.
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Nick G Money
Right, right. Yeah. I mean, I had a credit card when I was young. I can't even tell you what I first purchased with my credit card. Maybe offline. I'll tell you, it won't be, it won't be on air.
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Mike
A three hour massage.
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Nick G Money
Close.
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Mike
He put cat on the credit card, man. Did you, did you use the cheeks to swipe it? Was it like a right atm?
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Nick G Money
I got this plastic card burning all in my wallet.
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Mike
Take it. Oh, boy.
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Nick G Money
Yeah, man. Listen, dude, there's like, I think Josh said something about the, the, the troops that we had injured.
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Mike
Right here, hold on, I'll put it up, I'll pull it up right here. Nick, what about the soldiers killed and all the equipment and aircraft we lost? Just for things to be worse than when we started the war?
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Nick G Money
I don't think things are worse. Gas prices are going to go down. We're not relying on, on the oil from, from the Middle East. The world is. Unfortunately, prices are determined on a worldwide scale. Even though we're not part or getting our oil from that area or region, it still affects gas prices around, around the globe. It'll go back down again. I mean, there's no reason why it should be that way. But that's the way the economics and the currency of, of the oil works. You know, it's very, it's hard to get into and explain, but it's, it's affected globally. We're in a much better position. We are right now. Iran's been killing Americans for 47 years. Right. Israel was going to strike Iran. If we didn't do anything, Iran would have attacked our bases. We would have lost a lot more equipment and a lot, a lot more men sitting by. Unfortunately, you know, it's, it's like, you know, rolling downhill. There's always a cause and effect. The, the, the cause would have been Israel striking Iran without us involved. And the effect afterwards would have been us getting caught with our pants down. A lot more soldiers, a lot more people would have been hurt if we didn't get involved and do what we did. You know, it's, I just don't understand the thinking when it comes to this country. I know a lot has to do with tds, a lot of people rode with Trump. No new wars. This wasn't Trump's war. This was fucking Obama and Biden's war. This was that. He's cleaning the up. They have been a thorn in our side for a long time. Presidents haven't had the balls to do what Trump just did. I don't agree with everything. I shouldn't have to give that caveat either. But that's the world we are today. If I say positive things about Trump, I'm a glazer and I'm a dick rider and all this. And people hate my guts because I trust me, dude. People like that, they'll, they snap. You know, it's, it's wild, dude. But there's that I don't agree with, with him. And look, look at RFK Jr. Said. I don't think there's been a president possibly in the history of our country that understands the dynamic of the office and how to yield that power, especially in negotiations. Say what you want about him, but he's, he knows what he's doing. And there are so many different nuances and factors that went into this Iranian war. From England, which I mentioned prior. Right. To other countries being involved, alliances, NATO. There's so much in play that people aren't looking at it partly has to do. I was talking to someone about it last night. They said we're programmed to think that way. I always like to say one level thinking. You know, like an onion, there's many, many layers to peel back. And people don't get past the first layer a lot of times because they're lazy. You know, they like to get their information through headlines and memes or what other people put up on Facebook and do no research on their own. Which there's a reason why that was vilified during COVID Do you understand now that was what doing your own research was a sign of being right wing, a white supremacy. If you do your own research, educate yourself was a term that was supposed to be associated with the right. And again, white supremacy because they don't want you to find out what the. Is really going on. There's a lot of things that, that you can do yourself and a lot of outlets and places where you can really do your own research. You know, it's not saying you're not stupid, people aren't dumb, but if you allow yourself to be fed and treat it like a mushroom, you'll be kept in the dark and fed your entire life.
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Tyler
And that's what I say. I had a converse. Go ahead, Mike.
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Nick G Money
Go ahead.
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Tyler
I'll just add a conversation with somebody the other day. And it was about that. And it was about, at some point, you cannot be a doormat your entire life or you're going to end up in the breadline in a communist state, or you're going to take what's given to you and you're going to say, yes. Can I please have some more? Right. At some point, someone pushes you, or you can see, I'm about to get railroaded right now. And I'm. I'm not going to take the state. I'm going to take a stand. I'm not gonna. I'm not going to be passive about.
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Mike
Got so bad. You couldn't suggest that China started the virus. You were labeled like a racist for saying during my tick tock garbage. One of the main things, one of the reporters pointed out that I said that Covet was a Chinese virus. They've tried to create that app. Yeah. I swear to God, of all the dumb. I did. And he said China, like, because Trump was saying it. But if you just think about that social experiment, they. And I still believe it wholeheartedly, that was a social experiment to see how far they could push the envelope. If you suggested that the disease came from China, it was like, oh, my God, he's a racist.
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Nick G Money
He.
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Mike
You can't say that. It all pointed there, just like the Hunter Biden laptop. All this ended up being true. But they tried to condition us so hard to control us so much that the word China. If you suggested that the disease came from China, you were a racist. That's how crazy got during that mess.
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Nick G Money
Yeah, that's. And now racism has been so watered down, it doesn't mean what it means anymore. No, like, you know, that was your go to, oh, you're a racist. And people would back up and be scared and they wouldn't want to be cancelled. And it just doesn't have that effect anymore. I think we're tired of it. Tired of hearing I'm a racist because I'm white. I want to do my own research, come up with my own opinions about something.
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Tyler
I'm gonna. The. The girls podcast is dropping a rather dicey reel this afternoon that someone just made and is definitely not out of context. But. But going to that and it's going to piss a lot of people off. But at what point, kind of just taking a little segue and we'll go back to it. But at what point can white people be the laughing stock or, or of the entire nation? Right. Like, we Got the Drew ski thing, right? He made. It's hilarious. The Erica Kirk thing was hilarious.
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Nick G Money
Funny dude, but,
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Tyler
God for bid. You make a black person joke.
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Mike
I think it's. I think. I think we're getting. I think it's getting okay. I watch a white comedian,
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Nick G Money
blackface.
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Mike
Yeah, I saw a dude. There's an Asian dude we follow. I know you follow him as well, Tyler. That does some pretty funny skits. And then I saw a white guy. I have to get it out. He was cooking on stage. And it was. It was as joke as it could get. It was pretty bad. I think if you're still in a uniform, you're done. Or if you're in any position of power, you're done. But I think generally in the comedy world, it's becoming. Okay. My. Just my.
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Nick G Money
Yeah, man, we gotta thank. Gotta thank Joe Rogan for that one. For real. I don't think he's much of a comedian.
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Tyler
I think he's not funny.
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Nick G Money
But, you know, him and his good.
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Tyler
I just think that I like falling under comedy. I like being a comedy. I like being very comedy. Because at the end of the day, we could say. We say what we want. As long as we don't get canceled, like, like, physically canceled. Like, I know they can't cancel us, like, morally or ethically, but as long as they don't, like, turn our channel off, we're good all day. Because they could be like, did you hear what they said on the anti hero broadcast? And they're. Everybody's gonna be like, I wanted to dress up. Of course they said that.
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Nick G Money
I would. I. I'd dress up and put blackface on as Drew right now.
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Tyler
It. So we're not there, Mike. We're not there yet.
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Mike
I didn't see who did it.
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Nick G Money
Jake Paul.
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Mike
He did.
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Tyler
Well, I didn't know if it was AI. Is it real?
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Nick G Money
No, he's really. He's really doing it.
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Tyler
He did a skit.
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Mike
Well, there was a whole movie called White Chicks where two black dudes dressed up as. Well, that was like 20 years ago.
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Nick G Money
Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel and complete black everything. You know, as I forget, who's a basketball player who's imitating, you know, Justin Trudeau? It's different strokes for different folks. If you're lib, you can get away. You can get away with it. Tropic Thunder. You know, it's dude. But I don't know. September 11, September 12. The. The pendulum swung so far to the right. People love Cops. Again, patriotism was. Was through the roof. You could Feel the love for this country. And it didn't. It didn't last long. It really didn't. It'd be nice to get back to it because there was a time where, you know, everyone started getting along. And at the same time, you know, I was up in. In Brooklyn, I walked into a bar, and there's white, black, Asians, all intermingled with each other, having a good time, laughing. And it was like, see, this is what the media don't show you. A lot of it's orchestrated. There's not that much racist going on. There's a lot of people getting along, but you won't see it, and they don't want you to believe it. And then they love to portray the, the black community as just a bunch of savages from, from the ghetto that are just out of control. They don't show you the good stuff. This is, this is the NAR narrative that they're trying to create. They're trying to create that division. Same time, all they're showing you is the white people are racist. Look at them. They hate black people. So this is their plan. Dude, it's no longer conspiracy. There's plenty of evidence out there showing that. This is what, what the people in the ivory towers are doing to us. It's easier to divide and conquer. But if you go out in the real world, it's not like that people are getting along. No, well, I'm interactions every day.
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Mike
That's where, that's where I blame both sides. That's why I blame both sides. The old usual suspect goes both ways. If it's a school shooting or a child, some type of child case, it's always a white guy. The usual suspect. Well, that's what I'm saying, but that's. Yeah, but I'm saying they usually throw usual suspect. And then if it's something violent, you know, the blacks are labeled usual suspect. But what you don't. Normally, it's, it's. It's good. But both sides are guilty of that, you know?
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Tyler
Do you guys remember this? Nick, I want to watch this. And then.
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Nick G Money
Yeah, this is old man. When I came to the United States, I was fundamentally, culturally and psychologically when I came to the United
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Tyler
Is the slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures or psychological subject warfare. What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their Country. It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. This is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students exposed to the ideology of the enemy. In other words, Marxism, Leninism, ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism. The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to lack of moral standards, ideological subversion. So that right there goes to kind of show that. That all they got to do is pit us against each other. And, you know, now like, oh, that's racist. You're a racist. Everything's racist. Everything's homophobic. Let's make. Let's force people to think that men and women's bathrooms is okay and you're a bad guy. Let's. Let's make people. Let's villainize people for questioning. The biggest hoax ever. And then when people started questioning it, they were signed. Some people were killed. Scientists were killed during COVID Like, that's already happening. Yeah.
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Nick G Money
Look, man, I'm not the brightest guy in the world, but I remember I called up, I was on Crystal's radio show. Pretty, pretty new at ended of COVID I remember looking, I'll scratch my swishy pants, dude. I'm going to titty bar after this.
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Mike
All right, all right.
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Nick G Money
So I. I remember just doing my.
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Mike
One guy that eats cheeseburgers, one guy scratches his nuts uncontrollably. Pick your poison.
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Nick G Money
That's what happens, dude. When you got a big package, you have to adjust a lot. Yeah, just call it how it is, man.
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Mike
Go ahead.
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Nick G Money
I don't know. As I was rudely interrupted, kick my piss bottle over my bed. So I remember looking at the data. South Korea has a similar health problem pro healthcare as we do. And I remember running the numbers because I'm not that bright, but I was able to look at the formula and I came up with like, it was like 99 point, like 6, 8% not deadly. You know what I mean? And that's pretty much what the numbers came out to be. But they were acting like, you know, that the world was going to end. And, you know, for the most part, if you really look at it, everyone that they incubated, they murdered. They should never have incubated people. They're the ones that killed them. Fauci's telling you that smokers were at the, at the, the highest risk people, besides the ones with, you know, one or one or more comorbidities, which was that the, the receptor that covet binds to will not bind to that receptor if you're a nicotine user. So believe it or not, smokers and nicotine users were one of this. Besides, healthy, healthy individuals were, were the most safe during COVID They flat out. And they knew that and they flat out lied to you and told you that smokers were the risk. They weren't. If you're doing nicotine, you get a better chance of not getting covet. And then, then you have, you know, people in sub Saharan or like jungle conditions that were taking Q certain zinc and vitamin D to fight off malaria and other viral diseases. And they barely got Covid because of that regimen. That's another just those vitamins helped you recover from COVID like 50% quicker. And if you're taking it as a preventative measure, I don't know what the exact data was, but you had a better chance of never even getting Covid. And if you did, you would have been asymptomatic. There was just so many things that they fucking lied about, you know, and I'm not even getting into the vaccine itself and what really went on. Or like you said, it was definitely from China.
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Mike
You know, it's just when he said that, dude, I'll. That'll. I'll never forget that.
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Nick G Money
Why do you say he's a mass murderer?
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Mike
Because it's amazing, dude. Amazing.
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Nick G Money
Yeah. You wonder why we don't have faith in the government? Why ain't Fauci arrested by now? Yeah, well, like, he's a mass murderer, dude. Yep. During the 80s with the AIDS epidemic, he murdered a lot of gay people with the azt. I had to take AZT one time, took it for a day and I, I'm glad I threw it out. I got some dude's blood all over me. Never, knock on wood, made it this far.
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Mike
That first credit card purchase went downhill completely between.
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Nick G Money
Between everything that resulted in a. A month of Cipro.
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Tyler
Before we take a commercial break and get into the New Jersey indictment, I wanna the comments. Nick, I commend you for speaking your mind and being a proud American because people love to talk and dude, I
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Nick G Money
don't even read them, dude. They're such miserable people. They're just like I said, if you're gonna be. If you're gonna be a Republican on the right, conservative, middle, have a dialogue. Instead it's just straight up nasty insults because they don't have anything else. They can't think for themselves. There's one dude in the comments asking me about why. Why did Trump fire the chaplain? Do you also want me to ask you why? Tell you why Trump was scratching his nuts at 3am like the dude. I'm not here to defend the guy. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I don't know about that.
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Tyler
Yeah, the one person said it looked like a party city out of 4th of July. Again, from an anonymous account with no dude, come.
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Nick G Money
Come and talk to me. Come and talk to me. I'll debate.
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Tyler
You're. You're the best, smartest guy, your best friend. The Marine communist was the first one to comment. First one.
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Nick G Money
That dude rides my dick, among other people. I don't give a about that dude or anyone else who wants to sit in the comments and constantly slander me.
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Mike
Slander. Get them, Nick. There's lawsuit material there, man.
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Nick G Money
I don't give a. Dude. I just keep going.
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Tyler
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Tyler
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Nick G Money
Okay. So I'm not downplaying covet either. I know it was. It's a real disease. People got injured and got hurt and people died. So in no ways am I downplaying that at all. And one other thing I want to say. You know, you guys are doing a live show two hours a day, five days a week. I don't know if people realize how difficult that is. And it's a testament to what you guys build here because it's. It's good and it. It shows people. The show's growing. People like it. It's not an easy feat. So kudos to you guys. Good work.
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Mike
Thank you.
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Tyler
Thanks, man.
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Mike
Very nice of you.
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Tyler
You want to take it away, Mike?
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Mike
Yeah. We're going to go into the shooting. So I'm going to go. I have the article first. We'll go with that. Boom. This is out of Woodbridge police officer charged for fatal May 2025 shooting. A state grand jury. This is the same area as Sal up in New Jersey. A state grand jury, a Woodbridge police sergeant this week over a fatal shooting of a whatever that city is resident last May. According to the new attorney general, Jen Davenport, the grand jury charged Woodbridge Police Sergeant Marco Bruno with first degree manslaughter over the slaying keywords of Amir Allen, 35, during a confrontation with local authorities following reports of an assault with a baseball bat. I'll let officers to a closed convenience store. While refusing orders to drop the bat, Bruno avoided arrived and aided his own order. So I'm gonna let it stop right there. And you know, we're very transparent. There's good ones, there's bad ones. We judge these things. Monday morning quarterback. We do all those things. I'm gonna let the body cam play, and then we will go from there and I'll let you guys decide. There's a long version which is like three minutes. It leads up to everything. I'm gonna play the typical media. If you want to watch the whole thing, we can make it available, but I'm going to play the typical media. He gets this call. His guys are already on scene. There's a guy with a bat. This is the sergeant's body cam of how he handles the call. As soon as he gets out of the car. Drop the bat now. Drop the bat. Drop the bat now. Drop the bat now. Drop the bat. Drop the bat. Drop the bat. There you have it.
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JoJo
Play it back.
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Mike
We'll play it back one more time for everybody at home. So if you watch the whole body cam, you can see multiple officer on scene already engaged in conversation. He gets out of his car, sprints up, cuts through the the, the sea. And this is what you see one more time. Drop the bat now. Drop the bat. Drop the bat now. Drop the bat now. Drop the bat. Drop the bat. Drop the bat. So I'll, I, I, I got the expert with me. For those that don't know, I'm expert. JoJo the expert. I think she's very well versed in this. Not. But not determined to be an expert, but is very down the middle when, when, when these things happen. So you want to take it away. What you see, we'll let the chat kind of engage and let G Money and Tyler interject. But what, what do you see?
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JoJo
I prefer to hear what.
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Mike
Okay, you guys, you guys say first. Tyler, give your distraction.
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Tyler
Oh, God. Man, it. I saw it this morning. Everybody was sending it to me. I thought it was going to be a let's protect this guy because we just saw an indictment that was very or a verdict that came out for manslaughter. That was wrong. But looking at this, I didn't take any of the account that there was already people establishing some sort of dialogue. He wasn't charging. The distance rule, I think is a little bit different with an edge blade weapon rather than a baseball bat. The 21ft thing. Everybody says so. And he did sprint up there and I mean outside of it looking bad, the you or the drop the bat. And then what you didn't see was the post. Like there was no that you can't use this against the cop. But the cop had no empathy for. He just killed the dude. He was like, get on your stomach now. Get on your stomach. So at the end of the day, it looks to me, it looks at face value. Looks like a bad shoot.
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Mike
Nick G Money, I don't care about
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Nick G Money
the get on your stomach or drop the bat. That's fine. But you can see he pushes his way through the crowd of cops. First off, I would have been pissed if I, if it's, if I'm the first guy on the scene handling that and that dude just comes in and takes my job over. It's my job. I'm the one handling it. I don't, you know, you're there to back me up. You know, I'm the one that either established ever poor or whatever with this guy. He's got a baseball bat, you know, you're about 10ft away. He's not gonna hurt anybody. There's 15 of you. I mean, excuse my language, but what a. You could have took that dude down without killing him. I don't like. Good.
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Tyler
Do you know if anything was. If tater taser was utilized at all or anything like that?
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Mike
I don't have any of that. I didn't.
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Nick G Money
I watched the video, a good minute of it. I didn't see anyone with a taser.
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Mike
And like I said, all I got sent was his body cam in full. So we have that clip if you want to go back much later. My version, you know, there was the one that just went down up north at Dom's. Been helping the officer. The guy had a machete walk towards him. He shoots him, gets fired. I agree with you. Edge weapon, totally different circumstances. Could a bat be deadly? Of course it can kill you. But again, you can't really throw. Throw a bat and kill anybody unless you really throw it really hard and really fast and really accurate. You have time. There's. There's multiple officers. No. Nobody deserves to get hit with a bat. But in this one, I would also agree. Like, it seemed when we hate. I hate to say this, and we get accused of this, it seemed like that guy wanted to kill somebody. Like if I watch that completely down the middle and, and, and unbiased because I'm pro cop all the way, it seemed like, get out of my way. I'm getting one tonight. That's what it looked like. And I would hate to be that guy.
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Nick G Money
I mean, Justin says someone said I have non lethal cover, which I believe I heard that too.
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Mike
Yes.
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Nick G Money
Like a couple seconds before he shot.
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Tyler
I thought he said, I have lethal.
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Mike
Oh, he did. He said had lethal. Lethal cover, which lets you know somebody's got a gun on him already. That means if he does anything, that dude's gonna smoke him. I don't want. I don't want to go crazy, but I think this is a time where you might try the taser or something or first and then you have somebody already with the gun on him.
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Tyler
With 15 people or however many were. Were saying was there. There's a lot of dudes there. Somebody also said, I have lethal coverage. You almost have to wait. You almost have to. I, I would feel so much better about this video if that officer had been standing there, didn't run through, push his way up to the front. If he had been standing there and this body cam showed a guy with a baseball bat, Start charging. It's a clean shoot all day. It is a clean shoot. We're not backing down because then you get into the whole, do we want to preserve life and back up while we just sit here and negotiate with a guy? Sure, if we can get more resources here. We're waiting on a beanbag gun. He's 45 seconds out. It'll take him two minutes to get this shot off. We can start walking backwards that the supervisors call. As long as everybody's okay with it, you can still shoot him too.
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Mike
He was. And he was a supervisor. He was a sergeant. So your. Your turn.
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Nick G Money
Really?
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Mike
Yeah.
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JoJo
So I don't want to get into the. Whether it's justified or not justified. I think it's so easy, and I have done it. We all do it. There's such a limited video here, but one of the pieces of information, I think is consideration and kind of going over talking points and thinking points, which I think we've kind of gotten away from, because we have an opinion about something, and then we get really invested in that opinion, and then we marry it and we stay committed to it, even when other information gets presented to us. So one of the other pieces of information is that that dude was already using the bat attacking vehicles that had occupants inside of it. So does that offer any type of context? Right. Where his intentions, what his intentions are, his propensity, what he's capable of. He's already exhibited that a little bit. So coming bringing that into kind of a consideration. The other thing is, I can see what you guys are saying about that dude rushing up there, right? It does. It seems like he's got maybe, maybe an ulterior kind of motive or interest. However, I'll kind of bring this as like a side piece. It doesn't matter what your intent is, right? As a cop, it doesn't matter. You could have evil intent all day. As long as your use of force is reasonable and necessary, given the circumstances in front of you. It doesn't matter if the intent is evil. Likewise, it doesn't matter if you have good intent. Well, he didn't intend to kill him. He didn't intend to hurt him. You know, it was. Maybe it was an accident or it was something else. And good intentions won't make an unreasonable use of force justified. So those, those things, intent is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you think, well, he had an ulterior motive. Or he was looking to kill someone that day. Those things become irrelevant when you really break down Graham versus Connor and use a force and all the standards and throw prong test. So but if I have as a sergeant you can say everything is different. People supervise differently. I come on scene as a sergeant, I'm there kind of overlooking people have opinions about how involved a sergeant should be in the use of force. Right where you're kind of, you should be directing your guys of, of more what to do and make sure that all the pieces and. And the gears are kind of working appropriately and effectively and with the best outcome. But going back to a bat not being something that is looked at as. As lethal and that 21 foot rule is absolutely a myth. That was never, that was never a real thing. That started in the 80s, I believe on a range somewhere in Utah where a sergeant on the range was trying to kind of illustrate a point and then it spread like wildfire. There's so many other factors, mitigating factors that come into that. You have the athleticism differences between many people where people move faster than another person or sl lower than another person to so to apply a universal rule like 21ft as some standard of safety like your, your safety bubble becomes erroneous. But a bat we would still say is a weapon. I agree. If someone has a bat and they're in their garage and you're down the driveway 40 yards from where they're standing and you're behind a car, the lethality of that bat definitely decreases. But you're in public here where there's civilians, there's innocence. There's people that be that come before not only the suspect, but the cops. Sometimes I think we look at these uses of force and we think that the cop had only their interest in mind. But who other, who else's interest are those cops invested in? And it's those civilians and innocents who potentially were already victimized by this guy. So his ability to move and become mobile is relatively easy. And what we don't know by the video is how close innocents are to this guy. If he decides to go mobile and start running with a bat, what is his threat level to those innocents? So I need to contain this guy because he's already shown a propensity. I need to contain this guy and control this guy sooner rather than later where I give him the opportunity to think how he's going to overcome the influx of cops coming on scene. He starts to run with a bat and he focuses in on another innocent. Or a civilian. Now I have a subject running from me. So I've just made my situation a little more complicated. I've allowed it to get a little more complex and complicated and depending on, depending on what the backdrop is. Is the backdrop now safe? But if he starts to run, my backdrop is a home or a car, a schoolhouse, whatever it is. That backdrop changes as the subject starts to move and change you. He creates distance. Now he's harder to hit or he does charge at him, right? So he starts to charge and now he's swinging a bat. And now I'm trying to shoot a dude who's maybe aligned with my partner. Now I got to try to shoot that dude without shooting my partner. So now I've complicated the situation again. So I think sometimes, again, these are just talking points and thinking points. And if, if, if, if I were the defense, I would start to look at that where it's not just protecting ourselves, but I have to contain this. And then if I don't. You guys all heard the whole I have lethal coverage.
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Nick G Money
What?
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JoJo
I don't know if you picked it up when they said drop the bat. Drop the bat. I'm pretty sure buddy says nope. He does, but shows you what, right? Like there's, there's probably not going to be. It's reasonable to assume there's not going to be a compliance there. I don't have to wait till someone charges me or starts swinging a bat at me to use appropriate levels of force with someone that's armed with a deadly weapon, a potential deadly weapon. I don't have to wait for those things to happen.
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Tyler
I think you're right. I think we're all a little, little. Even veteran cops are a little conditioned to start thinking this way. Mainly because it's survivability in the job. Not like actual surviving, like not dying, but like survivability is like a 25 year career. If you're six years in, you're like, Man, I got 19 more years and I don't want to go through this. So you start thinking like, maybe I need to get with the program, maybe. And, but clearly that sergeant, maybe he's got a lot of years in experience and he knows he's got guys in there and he's worried in his car as he's getting there. Someone's gonna get cracked in the head with a bat. Because I know our district attorney, I know our chain of command. I know these new guys aren't going to take that shot. I'm gonna go take that shot. That's speculation, by the way, that no one's interviewing. Sure. I'm just saying, I'm just trying.
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JoJo
It's a talking, it's a talking point. And when I first watched that, I first watched the video and I was like, oh my, my visceral reaction was like, yeah, that's, that doesn't make me feel great. But once again, opening my mind and not having that, just almost like you said, a conditioned response. And, and if I go, okay, let me, let me try to zoom out. Instead of having this myopic view, this one dimensional view, let me, let me zoom out and look at the broader context of what is the environment look like? What did the past five minutes look look like? What was he doing to innocence? Right. Like all these other, all these other contextual cues that I should be considering when I'm trying to determine, like, am I hanging this guy right away? Am I going to crucify him immediately? Because my visceral reaction is it doesn't look great, it doesn't make me happy inside.
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Tyler
Would, could one, could one reasonably think, I mean, context is everything. You had said that he had had some kind of previous encounter with citizens where they were essentially assaulted by him.
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JoJo
Well, they were, I believe they were in their cars. Just to be, you know, clarify. I think they were in their cars and he was attacking their cars at the back.
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Tyler
Yeah, but as a cop, I would still, you know, if I showed up on scene and they were like, I would, that's assault.
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Mike
But, well, if he's in Florida, he's getting shot probably through the car window by a citizen because everybody's got a gun down here. So that, that, that justifies the shooting right there. Let me just. Context, let's context. What? Manslaughter. What he was charged with manslaughter in the state of New Jersey is the actor recklessly caused the death under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life. That's basically what they got him for. He, he caused, Recklessly caused the death under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the human life. So they basically said, well, do you think first degree, but first degree manslaughter,
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Tyler
do you think it's reasonable to think without or with the context we have, which is not much that maybe law enforcement could have said. I've had enough training in this to know this guy might not be in a right state of mind? Not like, not. That's. I think that's where my mind would go. I mean, I left the job at nine years, but I would show up. I'm Picturing it now in the middle of Orange Blossom Trail. Dude in the. With a baseball bat. I'm not go. I'm, I'm probably not knowing. I'm not going to shoot him if he's not showing any agitation. I'm just gonna stall it until we block off every intersection because we don't care. We will block everything off for hours while we negotiate with a guy with a baseball bat until someone beanbags him in the nut sack and we can take him into custody like that. To me, I don't.
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JoJo
Yeah, I think that's a possibility for sure. And you're again, it comes back to context which is why his, his testimony is so crucial. And it sucks that we just, we put each other through the wringer before we've even heard from the person that pulled the trigger or can, you know, use the deadly force.
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Tyler
Thing is we won'. We won't. We'll hear from maybe the union, but we're never going to hear from him until his day in court.
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JoJo
And that's crucial because one of the things in uses of force is, is officer factor. Right. My training, my ability, my perception, all of those things. It's not, it comes from a reasonable person standard but you can't ignore that. Still one of the, one of the elements in use of force is the officer factor. And I think that we tend to just forget that just because it's not the way we would have done it. We're all guilty of this. We're all. I wouldn't have done that. Nobody gives a right because you weren't in that position. So just because you would have gone hands on with someone with a baseball bat doesn't mean that's the standard. Doesn't mean that's what's required for someone to do like good for you. I mean Dom Dominic Izzo de armed somebody with a knife. Right? Great. That's, that's great that he was. It doesn't mean that that's now doesn't mean that's the standard now to handle people with knives. That's not the standard. It's great if you can accomplish it. That's what training, that's where training comes in. But it doesn't create this universal standard across the board where everyone is now committed to doing something because it's the way you would have done it or it's a plausible reality. Yes. Surrounding that dude containing all of those things are legitimate. But with that you need time and again taking into the account that he's already shown a propensity of violence because he's already attacked people or their cars where they were inside of them. Same thing. You already have a propensity. So I don't know that time is really on your side because let's say they do. That's oh, we're, you know, working up, you know, a containment or perimeter.
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Tyler
If you got somebody with lethal coverage, isn't time on your side?
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Nick G Money
They had all the time in the world.
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Mike
I think where I will agree with her though is that rapid evolvement of involvement of the case or evolve evolving of it where he starts running. Now what if Sarge has to aim towards the other cops to do it? We watched that one video from years ago where the guy walks around with a knife for like 40 minutes and they back up like nine miles. It could have killed him.
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Tyler
The guy passed the fire truck.
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Mike
Yeah, yeah, he's in the plaza. So though it didn't start to escalate to that point, I guess what does? Do we have to wait for it? Because again, if there's civilians behind him, he takes off running and he goes over and cracks some 2 year old in the stroller across the head. With all gonna be like, this dude should have killed him right away.
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Tyler
Yeah.
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JoJo
Let me just point out that lethal coverage is not what gives you time. Containment does. Right. So that's why like if we have houses, someone's in a house, we have what we said, we have all day to work this out. Once that person breaks that containment, whatever it is, and you have a problem. Right. So if somebody's within their house and you have a perimeter outside the house, that person breaks free from the house and now they're coming at officers are breaking that perimeter and they have something in their hand now that they're a threat to neighbors or innocence around them. Your time advantage severely disappears.
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Tyler
Right.
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JoJo
You don't have time anymore. Now it's kind of in the moment making decisions like going there's, we don't have time, this person's about to hurt somebody.
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Tyler
As a supervisor, if you had a situation like this and you had the ability to contain in the open, what as I know the biggest thing is backdrop, right. Houses contained. The backdrop issue is not that big. You have an open intersection, parking lot, whatever this was. Yeah. You have the ability, you have everybody coming. You can start setting up a perimeter. But at the end of the day, if he takes off running, he's not contained because then you can't shoot him.
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JoJo
Right. And you know, think about it, think about a perimeter. What's, what shape is A perimeter, usually in the square. Right. But then who is always in your backdrop?
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Mike
Somebody.
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Tyler
Each other, somebody else. Yeah.
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JoJo
Right. So your, your perimeter or your containment cell isn't going to be as effective as you think it's going to be. If it's out in the open and you're using people as your perimeter, you're always going to be each other's backdrop.
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Mike
Yeah, it's tough. I mean, and it's, it's this open is eye opening to the fact that we see it and go, well, that's bad. And, and I still don't think it's great. But you had, without factoring that stuff, the other sad thing about his trials, he's never going to take the stand. He's never going to get up and say that it's going to be a normal trial. It'll be, yeah, an expert talking for him. But,
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Tyler
and that's the crappy part about podcasts, is that, you know, yeah, we want to be the broadcast for stuff like this, but if we were a sports broadcast, we could be like, hey, we're interviewing the wide receiver. How. What happened with that catch? How did you miss it? How was that penalty not thrown? How did the rep not. They could sit there and talk about it all day long. When something happens like this to one of our own that we want to cover, you're never going to hear them talk about. It'll be years. And no cops can come on, no act of first responders. Nobody can come on and address issues. I mean, they can, but they choose not to. And so that's, that's what makes it harder for us is, you know, this isn't, this is life and death. We like to make light of all the things we talk about and have fart jokes and stuff, but at the end of the day, we cover things that this guy might not have his freedom for the rest of his life.
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Nick G Money
Yeah.
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Mike
And let's touch on one other thing, and I hate to compare it, but let's talk saladradi versus this one. Same demographic, same location and they're charged the same. And we all knee jerked, went, this one's not good. Right. Our first words, everybody's mouth was, this is bad. Then you have s, which is to me, clear cut. Good. And now you have that much disparity in two, in, in similar incidents. Right. In the same area where one guy's got a gun and pointed at somebody, he shoots him and he's, he's arrested. And now you have a guy with a bat standing still, he shoots him, he's arrested. The state of New Jersey is very up as well of how they're handling it Seems all of these. You're just indicting. It seems like everybody. Time a cop shoots somebody, they're getting indicted. And now it's the cop's responsibility to sit indicted for three years, go through all these hearings and prove his innocence. Which is not what the system was created to do. So that's another side of it. I see that causes a huge issue as well. Like same place, same location, very different incidents. But they're categorized the same as like the cop murdered somebody. And it's getting. That's where I see it getting a little scary. It's basically cops.
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Tyler
Oh, the verbiage you pointed out, slain. That's a very, very choice word to use. Nick, what's your thoughts on everything?
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Nick G Money
Ah, I couldn't be more on the other side. I think it was just a terrible. You had a lot of what ifs. But that wasn't what was going on. The guy was standing still. There was 15 cops around. The containment wouldn't have been that difficult. There's many different avenues you could have went. I've been in that situation, so I know what I would have done and what I have done. That wouldn't be it. And especially from what I understand, he might have been there for a while, went back to his car, then ran back up. I don't know. Video will lie 100 of the time.
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Mike
I have the video. I have the video you want. Let's. Let's speed through that video. I have it. Let's.
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Tyler
Before we got time, Nick would have taken him hostage.
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Nick G Money
I would have hit him with my car, maced him, and then tackled his ass.
- [83:51]
Mike
Here is like a 1999.
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Nick G Money
It wouldn't have been no thing.
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Mike
I'll speed it up a little bit so we're not here all day. But this is the unredacted video of the whole response. So we'll go body cam on.
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Nick G Money
This is the sergeant's body cam.
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Mike
Yeah, this is from in the car, if it's gonna work.
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Nick G Money
Okay, so he just pulled up then? Yeah. I mean, yeah, just. It's just terrible, dude. He does. He's not even involved in the situation. He just shows up.
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Mike
Like, where you. Where we pick it. Yeah, where we pick it up. I'm just gonna get rid of it. Where we pick it up is the. The two minutes before that is him driving. He exits the car. And then you see him where we picks up what we showed. He runs straight from his passenger, driver door right through everybody. And then does what he does.
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Tyler
Physically pushes. Pushes somebody out of the way with his gun out.
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Mike
He already had his gun out.
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JoJo
To be fair. To be fair. That's what the guy at the machete had to do. Also when those two people were just standing there spectating instead of being cops.
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Mike
Yeah, three. I think there were three.
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JoJo
I think the other. The. The radio traffic of one. I think one of the officers came over the radio and was communicating that he was attacking vehicles that had occupants in them. So like you're hearing that and you're receiving that information, you understand the. The gravity of the situation, the magnitude of it. And you might end up with severely hurt or injured people unless actions taken. Right.
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Tyler
I was gonna ask, do you think that it could also be that maybe that that cop was having a lot of preconceived like I'm gonna end this.
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Nick G Money
I worked, I worked with cops that I knew were going to get into shootings. It has. There's a mentality of some cops that will look for it, that want it that I already knew at one point in their career they will get into a shooting because that's the pre. Disposition. That's what they think the mental reps people do in their mind. Yeah. You know, and just some cops you just already know. Sure. You've worked with some that you're like, this dude will end up shooting somebody eventually.
- [85:52]
Mike
And being on jobs. The sentencing parameters for this, just think about this. 10 to 30 years is minimum. Minimum 10 to 30 years.
- [86:01]
Nick G Money
I know you said intent doesn't matter, but now when it comes to filing charges, it's all about the intent.
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Mike
Well, in this case it doesn't matter. It's basically he caused the death. They're not gonna.
- [86:13]
Nick G Money
The intent. The intent matters when charging whether it's murder one or murder three.
- [86:17]
Mike
Obviously they can also murder.
- [86:19]
Nick G Money
Well, did they can. They can make an argument that it was that he had no intention of trying to talk that guy down. No intention of. Of de. Escalating. He showed up, pushed people out of the way and just shot the guy and killed him. His intent from the beginning was. Was to kill that man.
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JoJo
When I talk about. And like I said, I'm not, I'm. There's not enough for me to say this is justified or not justified. Does not. My only, my only objective here is just talking points and thinking points that sometimes we might overlook that that's all. But when I say intent doesn't matter, that's not a Joanna opinion. That is like interwoven in the fabrics of Graham versus Conor. That's not, that's not in me opinion. That's one of the Mechanics that Graham vs Conor is designed around is that intent is irrelevant as to whether or not either it's justified or it's not. And if it's justified, evil intent won't make a justified use of force unconstitutional. Likewise, good intent won't make a unjustified.
- [87:12]
Nick G Money
He had intent to kill that guy. That doesn't mean anything.
- [87:15]
Mike
Not if it was justified.
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JoJo
Right. So that's what.
- [87:18]
Nick G Money
It's not justified.
- [87:22]
JoJo
I understand the core of Nick.
- [87:24]
Mike
I understand G Money's night wagon is unjustified.
- [87:28]
Tyler
So it matters.
- [87:30]
JoJo
Let's not forget how easy it is to be indicted.
- [87:33]
Mike
Right?
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JoJo
It is extremely easy to be indicted. And I think a lot of people are under the, this misconception that if you're indicted you're like, oh well, you must be guilty of whatever they said because you got into. It's such a big word and it has such weight to it. And it's really not hard to be indicted. And it doesn't prove anything necessarily pre trial, but I think people allow it.
- [87:53]
Mike
Maybe I'll do a breakdown because I have an expert, not my diagnosis of an expert, and actually have all the body cam and why don't you learn?
- [88:02]
Tyler
I'm assuming, I'm assuming that's going to be hot topic tonight, right?
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Mike
Yeah, well, yeah, that's a good one for sure. Maybe I'll bring her on there too as well. I have all of it
- [88:11]
Tyler
tonight.
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Mike
Yeah, I have all the redacted body cam. I have the 911 calls, I have the EMS rate, I have everything sent to me as far as entire case. Well, do you see those files? Not load. I can load it, but I'm not going to sit here. I haven't looked at it either. Some of them may be 40 minute body cameras to get to that one spot. Like the sergeant's body cam that I tried to load is like not eight minutes and it's like five minutes of him driving.
- [88:32]
Nick G Money
I think they tried, I think they tried tasing him right after he hit a car from my right. I think I heard a taser go off.
- [88:40]
Mike
I will break it down all the way. So I'll get with Dominic and we'll, we'll, I'll get the body cam pulled up from each one and we'll kind of go more in depth. But I, this is what I wanted for this show. This is like let's show, you know, the reaction and then we'll, you know, we'll break it down. Let me see what this says. Hold on one second.
- [88:56]
Tyler
Does not look good. But also like she, like Joanna said, it's and indicted. I, I don't even believe in that system anymore. I believe that in indictments are now used to. They know the weight of that. We're going to indict this cop.
- [89:10]
Nick G Money
Oh, you're going in front of grand jury where there's no defense at all. It's a prosecutor. Totally one side.
- [89:17]
Tyler
You don't even have to be there. You don't even have to know what's going on.
- [89:20]
Nick G Money
No, you won't know. You're not going to know what's going on.
- [89:23]
Mike
So New Jersey also has another thing called I'm getting this real time called iCat, Integrating Communications Assessment and Tactics. And a law enforcement officer by the Police Executive Research Forum teaches officers to de escalate critical incidents, especially those involving people in crisis by integrating critical thinking, crisis intervention, communication and tactics. So that is mandatory that they any person in crisis, even with a bat in New Jersey, they have to put those factors into their brain that they're responsible to try to de escalate first. I don't know that I agree with that. But that is what New Jersey has determined that this guy is. These people are supposed to go, oh man, he's in crisis. I have to try to do XYZ before I go to Z. So that is not very. That, that, that is not good. For officers to have all that on their plate and then make a split second decision on a guy with a bat or a knife or a gun or any other scenario.
- [90:17]
Tyler
New Jersey flee New it doesn't look good. The fact that they were able to roll him over and detain him within a matter of two and a half seconds. I don't think that looks good. You know, usually. Well, usually in a shooting there's 20, 30 seconds. I'm just guessing, I don't know. But where we've determined it's safe, the threat is neutralized. Let's move up, let's move up tactically and render aid to this person. They were there within two seconds, flipping them over on his stomach. Which kind of gives the impression. It gives an impression. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but I'll play that part. But it just kind of gives the impression that it wasn't that much of a threat. He's down. These guys are in here already rolling them over. It's just I've never seen anything like that, so it makes it a little, a little weird.
- [91:07]
Mike
He's knee on the back, neck dead.
- [91:10]
Tyler
Yeah, I just took six shots, and out of the nine minutes, six.
- [91:13]
Mike
That's a pretty good number too. That's a, that's a good, good number from right there. Why didn't he shoot him in the leg?
- [91:20]
Nick G Money
He should have shot the bat out of his hands.
- [91:24]
Mike
Yeah, and I, I, you know, I, I, I get that. That's a good angle. Because we're, we're men. We're alpha men. We always think kill the bad guy and we don't think about all those other factors. And then, like I said, there's a whole statute these poor dudes have to worry about up there and hold a directive where they have to consider de escalation, even in a weapon situation with a guy who's in crisis. So the easy term here is get the out of New Jersey. Like. Yeah, because I'm telling you right now, if this was Florida, I'm telling you, we wouldn't have, we wouldn't be talking about this.
- [91:58]
Tyler
Yeah, and you made a great point. If a civilian can choose somebody that's, that is, you're, it's not even, it's taking the police part out of it. You felt in fear for your life. So in Florida, if I can shoot somebody hitting my car with a baseball bat. If I could, not saying I would. Not saying I can. But if that's the mindset, then the police can also defend themselves if.
- [92:19]
Nick G Money
The difference is he was attacking at that point, and when the cop showed up, he was standing still.
- [92:26]
Tyler
Did he show, did he show propensity? No. Well, not at that moment by attacking a car.
- [92:33]
JoJo
But let's consider. I'm telling you to drop the weapon that you just did this with, and you say, nope.
- [92:38]
Tyler
Well, I'm a criminal.
- [92:38]
JoJo
Are we gonna have a, are we gonna have tea and crumpets with your bat?
- [92:41]
Nick G Money
Oh, maybe start a dialogue with him, like, what's going on, why they did. Can we.
- [92:47]
Mike
Then he shot him.
- [92:48]
Nick G Money
Yeah, that dude didn't.
- [92:49]
Mike
It was a, it was a very quick conversation.
- [92:51]
Nick G Money
And the sergeant.
- [92:53]
Tyler
Okay.
- [92:53]
Mike
Very effective too. It definitely stopped the threat.
- [92:57]
Tyler
Yeah.
- [92:58]
Mike
But yeah, somebody asked if there's going
- [93:00]
Tyler
to be riots, but I don't know if you guys noticed something about this, this suspect. There will be no riots.
- [93:07]
Mike
Well, his name was. Interesting name, Name was. No, it was.
- [93:13]
Nick G Money
Yeah.
- [93:13]
JoJo
Amir.
- [93:14]
Tyler
Amir, the only guy in the, in the chat that's British, said, tea and crumpets are great with jam and double cream.
- [93:23]
Mike
What if he didn't Understand English? Yeah. No tea for you.
- [93:27]
Tyler
Somebody said.
- [93:27]
Nick G Money
He said, you know what? I changed my stance. Good shoot. He should have just shot him as soon as he got out of the car.
- [93:35]
Mike
That guy, based on his. Based on his name.
- [93:39]
Nick G Money
Yep. He's a terrorist. This is a terrorist attack. Good shit.
- [93:50]
Tyler
Oh, no.
- [93:51]
Nick G Money
Savage.
- [93:52]
Mike
That didn't take long.
- [93:53]
Nick G Money
He took him right to holler him, good job. Get him an award. Start a GoFundMe and get this over with.
- [94:02]
Mike
But can you. Can you, like. Like, does that. Not to me. It's like the whole racism we were talking about earlier, where it's watered down when you start charging every cop with murder, like Sal. And then this guy, like, these complete. These are so polar opposite. But charged with, like, similar things. So it's like you just gonna start indicting every cop that shoots somebody? Every single one.
- [94:21]
Tyler
Yeah.
- [94:21]
Mike
You know, Every single one. Is that what we're doing now in New Jersey? Just everybody goes to jail, like.
- [94:26]
Tyler
And the sad thing is, look how we're breaking this down. Look how we're all breaking this down. To understand an indictment it should be. I came up, a guy had a lethal weapon. I told him to drop it. He said no. He already showed a propensity. I shot and killed him.
- [94:41]
Nick G Money
No.
- [94:42]
Tyler
So, yeah, you should be back to work in four days.
- [94:45]
Nick G Money
In 2002, I got a call with. To his to see man with a gun. I pull up, all the neighbors are out. There's black guys standing in the grassy area, you know, with a. With a building behind him. There's no one behind them. And everyone's saying, he's got a gun, he's gonna kill himself or he's gonna shoot a cop. So it's me and him. I got my gun out on him. I'm trying to determine whether or not he's got a gun in his pocket. And he's telling me he's got a gun, and I'm talking to him, and I had time. So wait. It waited. Waited. He pulled the hand out. I didn't shoot. I'm glad I didn't. But the point I'm getting at, I was worried about me being white and him being black. If he didn't have a gun, what was going to happen to me? That was in 2002.
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Mike
Yeah.
- [95:31]
Nick G Money
So I, I, you know, it was like that back then.
- [95:39]
Mike
What is that?
- [95:40]
Nick G Money
Is that him?
- [95:41]
Mike
Yes.
- [95:43]
Nick G Money
Good shooting.
- [95:45]
Tyler
My gardener.
- [95:47]
Mike
Oh, boy. I should have showed that the next. And then we.
- [95:52]
Nick G Money
Yeah. If I knew his name was Amir, I knew this is a terrorist attack. He's One of his activated cells. I guess he didn't get the
- [96:00]
Mike
C4.
- [96:01]
Nick G Money
I guess he didn't get the call that the ceasefire was going on.
- [96:09]
Tyler
See, it's fire. I'm here.
- [96:11]
Mike
He did six shots. Six shots later he did
- [96:17]
Nick G Money
on camera, just let you know, you know, 23, 24 years ago, that was on my mind. So God knows what, what it's like now.
- [96:27]
Mike
I, I hate to say it, but when I, when my IA was what, three years ago, when my buddy called me, he's like, hey, what dude you arrested? Like, what color was he? I was like, he's white. He's like, oh, you're fine then, wasn't it? But that's still, that still goes through people's heads, man. Like in the Miami shooting last week, like that, that definitely gets brought up. I'm surprised there's not. This was a year ago. He just got indicted. This shooting was a year ago. We never, I never heard about it. I think the bat kind of throws a curve to me. You're gonna have people go, but you're gonna have people go both directions where it, it's not so it's 100 this way. You can, you're gonna argue to the end of time about who's right. Can you shoot them. And there's no clear cut by any demographic. There's no clear cut yes or no on this one, I don't think, because the old OG guys are gonna say, oh, don't bring a bat to a gunfight, you know, that kind of stuff. And then, oh, he was just an under misunderstood man having a crisis. You happen to have a bat, you know, should have been nicer to him. It's going to go both ways. So you're never going to get something
- [97:32]
Tyler
they want to know. They want to know JoJo's take on what the, he explained it more in the comments. The. So Jojo, we have, if, we have, if I, you respond, you're not a sergeant, you're just a road deputy. Or one of your deputies responds. And I'm a business owner and I'm like, dude, I, I, I podcast, right? And you're like, okay. And I'm like, yeah, dude. And one of the guys that I pay sometimes, every month I pay him well, he, I allow him to take a camera home for like months. And we fired him. And we fired him when he was home with that camera. And he said he was going to bring the camera back and he never brought it back. Crime or civil.
- [98:13]
JoJo
Way more, we need way more information than that, right?
- [98:15]
Tyler
Yeah, you're, you're there. I'm, I'm upset. I want my camera back.
- [98:20]
JoJo
Is there something that shows what agreement existed about the camera being given to him? Was it only on the understanding that he was to have the camera because he was doing podcasts and couldn't keep it after? Where's any kind of communication proving that he said he was going to bring it back. I'm going to interview him. What's his perspective? So depending on what's said and what's agreed upon, he says, yeah, I was going to give it back, but I didn't have time. Right. So then I'm probably documenting that. Right. Giving some, maybe benefit of the doubt because I'm not a gung ho, everybody goes to jail type of person that still doesn't. The camera still doesn't get returned after some documentation. And now the police are involved and now it's been told to us that they're going to return it. Maybe file for a warrant, but potentially civil, depending on what information is collected and what understanding there was about the camera?
- [99:09]
Tyler
It was implied that, you know, if it's only for. I wasn't giving it to him because I'm a cool guy. I was giving them to him because he was, you know, it was implied. But there's nothing in writing, no text, no email saying that this camera is being leased to you or being able to use professionally. Upon any termination of employment or voluntary withdrawal from employment, you are to return the camera. There's nothing like that.
- [99:32]
JoJo
So I think it depends on what his, the interview with him ends up being.
- [99:36]
Nick G Money
Right?
- [99:36]
JoJo
What does he admit to that was the understanding or expectation with the camera or if he says not. I thought, I thought this was mine.
- [99:42]
Tyler
Well, can I show you something else, Officer? So my co worker, my co owner, my co host Mike, put out this big sticker pile. We don't want to press charges for this, but we're letting you know the type of guy that you're. You're dealing with 150 stickers. My, my partner Mike came in and said, hey, these are up for grabs if anybody wants any. This guy that has my camera went and took all the stickers and then took all of the chips next to the stickers and took them home. And he's gonna sit here and tell you that he had no intent. He would. He thought, he thought. And then you talk to Jimmy. Oh, sorry. You talk to him. He just, he sits there and tells you over the phone. I had no idea. I had no idea. I plan on it. I plan on it. I just. I, I'm in between homes right now. I, I, Once I locate the camera, I'm going to. I'm going to. I have no intention of. I just don't know where the camera is because I'm in between homes.
- [100:40]
Mike
You just define for him. Yeah, that's fine. It's still civil. The only time I can make it criminal in my mind would be when you can prove you, He, you, you wanted it back. He acknowledged. You have proof that he acknowledged he has to give it back. Then he goes a certain amount of time and doesn't you know what that
- [100:58]
Nick G Money
report would have looked like if I answered that call?
- [101:00]
Mike
None. Zero.
- [101:01]
Nick G Money
I told you I would tell you, go to civil court, and the report would have read, info requested, same given, done. Drop my numbers, hold me off the headquarters.
- [101:15]
Mike
I don't. And also I would tell you. I would have told you when you started telling me about the stickers and the chips. I said, sir, that's irrelevant to the actual camera. It didn't happen. It's not. Doesn't. His character doesn't come into that specific incident.
- [101:25]
JoJo
Yeah, you said they come out for grabs.
- [101:28]
Mike
Yeah, potato chips. I don't know, man. Tyler was bent up about those, man. And then I brought a whole nother box of the same brand. He hasn't eaten one bag yet. So I think.
- [101:35]
JoJo
I didn't want that brand.
- [101:36]
Tyler
I wanted the barbecue.
- [101:37]
Mike
I bought barbecue back. You still haven't eaten them. I think the C4 is the best case. But you let that one go. Somebody in the chat said, that was enough.
- [101:45]
Tyler
We weren't the victims. You would have to prove that we were the victim because they were actually given to us.
- [101:49]
Mike
It was given to us.
- [101:50]
Tyler
Oh, there's. See, there's a lot of things involved. My argument that day was like, I'm a road guy. I've got six calls on the board. I'm like, this is civil. Like, I'm sorry.
- [102:02]
JoJo
Confusion over chips and stickers. But we're gonna just tell somebody that shot somebody? Like, nope, it's definitely clear.
- [102:07]
Mike
Yeah, we don't win.
- [102:08]
JoJo
Nine do figure out stickers and chips.
- [102:15]
Tyler
I always say, oh, my gosh, are you serious? Because I'm a big advocate on somebody on their worst day, they want a soundboard and they. And then at the end of the, at the end of the call, I'm gonna go, I am gonna document this for you because this is so.
- [102:29]
Nick G Money
Do I gotta sign?
- [102:30]
Tyler
If you look at somebody, you say, you were done wrong. They go, I know. And then you go, do you want to press criminal charges? And they go, no, I don't want to go to court.
- [102:39]
Mike
Like, I gotta go to court.
- [102:42]
Tyler
What they didn't say is, I just wanted to to somebody. I want someone to hear me. Yeah.
- [102:49]
Nick G Money
Document to sign for the cameras you're sending me.
- [102:52]
Mike
It's online now, Nick. We want our cameras back at some point. We just don't know when.
- [102:58]
Nick G Money
As long as you send me New Jersey shipping and handling, I will send New Jersey.
- [103:01]
Mike
If you come at me with the camera, I'm going to shoot you where you stand.
- [103:05]
Nick G Money
No. Well, no, you won't. If I just stand here with the camera, you're going to shoot me.
- [103:09]
Tyler
Serious question. Kind of using this baseball bat scenario, but we're going to create a new scenario.
- [103:15]
JoJo
Go.
- [103:15]
Tyler
Okay, you get a call saying, I just. I just got threatened by someone who says they were gonna throw a shooting star at me.
- [103:27]
Nick G Money
Is he an Arab?
- [103:29]
Tyler
Get there. And they're Asian. They're Chinese.
- [103:32]
Nick G Money
Oh, yeah, dude, you're justified.
- [103:35]
Tyler
They. They showed a propensity. They already threatened to throw a shooting. Is it a shooting star? Throwing star.
- [103:44]
Nick G Money
Throwing star.
- [103:45]
Tyler
Rolling star. And then you get there and they turn around and they look at you and they're Asian.
- [103:50]
Nick G Money
Oh, man, he's got it in his hand. Yeah, absolutely justifiable shooting.
- [103:54]
Tyler
No, not even in his hand. He just looks like somebody that would throw a ninja star.
- [103:58]
JoJo
No, it's been three different things. I'm gonna need you to identify.
- [104:02]
Mike
Rapidly evolving situation.
- [104:06]
Tyler
Sarge, he's Asian.
- [104:09]
Mike
Intense. Rapidly evolving fictitious story that we can't keep up with. That's what we have here, folks. Justin pointed out something earlier. I want to definitely, like, he. He makes it clear. Like he says, like, do you guys understand, like, how difficult this job is? Like, right there. That. That is an understatement. Because there are hundreds of calls going on right now with that same scenario. Like, oh, this guy.
- [104:31]
Tyler
He did.
- [104:31]
Mike
Then you're like, oh, my God, lady. Like, there's nothing I can do. Like, what do you want me to do? And if you say that and have that mindset, you're going to get in trouble. But you can't just go, hey, dummy, this isn't a crime. Like, sorry, you have to, like, take the report. But the time. Nick doesn't, but the rest of us do.
- [104:46]
Tyler
Meanwhile, this is listen. And this is it. You're the sergeant on the phone. Your radio is going off. You're listening for it. You're on the road. You're listen. You know all these tone out calls. And you're like, you're trying to have this conversation where some places you work, it is. It's almost like you can't not take the call. It's almost like, what are you gonna do, not take a report all three days? Like, this is the one report call you got. And you work a very slow zone. As a supervisor, I really don't want to hear a lot of pushback about how it's different. Like I said, if you got six calls holding in your zone, you've already taken full reports, there's three hot calls going on. It's a little different. I think when you find out your deputy or your cop blew off, not even blew off, made the decision, it's a little bit more understandable. You could always go back and go, you're gonna have to eat crows. Start tucking that tail, sweetheart. Go over there, take that report. It's not a laziness thing.
- [105:38]
JoJo
Yeah. The job being difficult somehow created a massive impression because there is an absolute deficit of cops that just blow off, slough off, make a career out of figuring out how to make every call of civil or had no report needed. And that if we're going to talk about society having an issue with law enforcement and we feel like, oh, you know, society just hates us and they just, they don't understand, I don't know that we're doing a lot to favor ourselves when we go on calls. And even civilians are like, I feel like this is something because the statutes and people say, I know the law. Listen, sometimes they do, because the statutes are just as accessible to them as they are to us. Because I know if I don't, if I'm not familiar with a law that's obscure and I haven't read in a while and haven't charged someone with in a while, I'm probably going to go back to my computer and look it up on the state statute website, which
- [106:36]
Tyler
is exactly what a civilian started pandering to society in the last 10 years. To the point where everyone calls us for their, for their smallest problems. And yeah,
- [106:50]
JoJo
I'm not talking about those. I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about the ones where literally they choose. They treat us like QVC customer service because they just want to talk to somebody. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about legitimate. This is a crime or should be investigated like a crime. But we go, I just can't help you. That's. That's.
- [107:07]
Tyler
I can't.
- [107:07]
JoJo
Yeah. Or someone says, can I have a report oh there's really nothing to write down.
- [107:10]
Mike
The other thing is when we prejudge the report based on we know the state's not going to prosecute this. So I'm not taking report to that person. That theft of something silly is their life. Like they lost their. Their bike got stolen off the port. They made me are broke. They don't have enough money to buy another bike. And we just go.
- [107:25]
Tyler
But depending on the department. I'm the detective Mike and I go to you and I'm like thanks buddy. You know, there's nothing I can do about it. You didn't want to tell this lady. Now I gotta eat it. Well and now it's on me.
- [107:40]
Mike
That's schematics of your department. We would handle that ourself. We would put a like a quick attempt to locate out. Wait a week. We don't find it. Yeah. Unfounded. We would work that anything under a felony, road patrol and even some minor things. If you can handle it on road patrol we would handle it. But to that person to go and simple three pair or three sentences. Right. It's garbage. But to that person to hand them that card and go hey, I know your bike's gone. I'm going to write a report here you go. Versus Sorry lady, nobody's going to prosecute that anywhere. Never going to find it. Take a. Take a hike.
- [108:09]
JoJo
And there is something that has that cops don't understand the value in documenting instances, situations, alleged crimes that maybe you can't solve right now, but that information could potentially help you solve a crime in the future. And because you documented it well.
- [108:23]
Tyler
Great advocate of that. Big advocate of if a car break, for instance, like a attempted car breaks. Tons and tons and tons of guys would blow off calls at 6 in the morning. Someone said there was somebody outside my. They didn't get in nothing. They didn't even get in the car. And I'm like. They'd be like I know reported that. I'm like dude, you're gonna get fried. Because if I was an auto effect detective or. Or detective in general and you're telling me that you could have had surveillance fingerprints of something that could have led me to. I don't give a. If those people don't want to press charges, that's fine. But the other six houses that are going to come out in six hours and go to work. They're the ones that when they do want to press charges I could have used that. And so I totally agree with being able to even.
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JoJo
And I'll just As a couple examples, this is not me tooting horns. I don't toot horns. I have zero ego and that's why I don't finish this on. But even just documenting like vehicles, phone numbers, even if it's not like fingerprint stuff like that, it's more obvious. But I'm writing a report and maybe there's a robbery, right? And I go and identify the suspect through some camera footage because I went through extra hoops getting camera footage. Now I also have the vehicle that was associated with, with the robbery. It's the victim. It's the victim's vehicle. But now I'm able to locate the victim. The victim says, I don't want to press charges. Well, what I learned from the victim was the victim was also a suspect a month ago and people who ran for me on some bikes, right? So now I have a suspect is a suspect today, is a victim tomorrow as a suspect the next day. And the more information that you can collect about people, the more likely you are to find them in the future, whether they're a victim or a suspect. I, I took a cell to. And it became a violation of a domestic violence injunction. Out of a cell too.
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Mike
911 hang up.
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JoJo
A 911 hang up. I'm sorry, a 911 hang up. Right? Because just deep diving the phone number, finding vehicles, searching this, searching that, looking into court documents and so there's just that. I, I don't know that there's the. Sometimes we're losing the commitment to solving even the most benign, mundane crimes because they won't have, they won't give you the most attention, they won't give you the most accolades or recognition. You're not going to get a point plaque for it. I'm like, I don't have time for that. And I get it. Some agencies, I get it, maybe they don't. But then there's some where you do, you just don't feel like it or the payoff is not that good or the recognition is not that good. And I think that we're, we're getting away from that. Where sometimes law enforcement, it looks like it's just something I can do to collect a paycheck.
- [110:49]
Tyler
Well, I started getting around the time was it verbo, verbo and Airbnbs are starting to become a problem. And I told somebody, they go, it was a manager for some kind of. It's like he was like airbnb. I'm like, okay, whatever the a company it is, he knew everything and he's Showing me a statue. And I'm like. I'm like, yeah, this is civil, bro. Sorry. Like, they start writing these statutes. I have no power DMS on it. I have no supervisors that know what the going on. They're leaving me out to dry. They're like, whoa, dude, this is crazy. I've never seen the statue. And I'm like, it's punishable. And they're like, yeah, dude. And I'm like, I'm just gonna rely on three months ago. I'm gonna pretend like I'm not. This is you, you know, you rent a Airbnb in the hood. You're mad that 20 people broke the snow cone machine when they had their big party. This is your fault. This is civil. And then there was some kind of like, they got kicked out early. So then they. They called their bank and had the card declined the charge. So the Airbnb people couldn't charge them for like the next day or something. It was this whole show. And I'm like, how does this fall on me? All of you guys are pieces of you guys all were bad tenants or trying to get money in the hood. And now I have to unfuck this whole thing. And I remember my first, like, verbo car issue. I was like, it took me like six hours. I'm like, wait, so what? And all my chain of commands learning about it too. And it's just. It's craziness.
- [112:23]
Mike
The other thing I was going to say is you notice how we get made sure your tasers, you know, you gotta check your taser. You gotta do all these other things. They don't bother putting out case law and updated information. Like, nobody at the agency seems to stay up on that as well to like, hey, we have this massive issue with like Internet crimes or like Internet stalking. And all these things that we got got out of control because of technology. Yeah, they never kept up on that. And you got to suffer. Civilian going, look, bro, this is a statue. I wish somebody else. Why did my agency put that out? Why didn't the state attorney come, if it's that big of a deal to tell me about this? And you got some dude going, hey, man, did you know this? I didn't know this statue.
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JoJo
So devil's devil's advocate, nobody is required to tell you the onus is on
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Tyler
you to be here we go to
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JoJo
be to take self initiative.
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Tyler
I just saw her picture in the hallway. Major Jojo. That's what. That's how you get there.
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Mike
I think there's going to Be a new law any day now. I'm going to check the statute today, make sure.
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JoJo
Yes, that that is. Your job is to stay up with case law, not like. Well, nobody brought it to my doorstep.
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Tyler
I agree.
- [113:25]
Mike
But you pay all these captains and lieutenants and. And then way up high, they should also be worried about those things. Making sure you're going to tell me to de escalate. And I can't say that you want
- [113:34]
JoJo
them to shoot the gun for you, too.
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Mike
I want to shoot the gun for me, but I want to know when I can and can't shoot the gun so I don't guess at when I get on the scene, you tell me
- [113:39]
Tyler
what the difference is between me and a captain other than I don't do Excel spreadsheets. A captain or a lieutenant or even a road dog sergeant. They are smarter than me and they've known this job. So when I'm some dung young cop for the five years or under, and new case laws coming out, new statutes are coming out, what separates me from them? Because if I have to know everything, I don't need them. We don't need them. We need a chief and a bunch of Indians. That's all we need. So what separates me from those admin people?
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Mike
Brains.
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JoJo
So a lot of administrative work, Right. But here's how I look at it when I talk about why should you train. Number one, your freedom. Number two, your job and your life. You may not care about one or all of those, but to rely on someone else to bring you information that protects your freedom, your job and your life. Seems to me I have a pretty high vested interest in doing that for myself and not being mad that someone else didn't bring it to me because they make more money.
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Tyler
Money.
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JoJo
And on the trial, on the stand, if I get indicted, guess who has to be there defending myself. It's not gonna be my captain that sent me the case law.
- [114:43]
Tyler
I'm talking about blowing off an airbnb civil case, not shooting somebody.
- [114:47]
Mike
He's still mad about that case.
- [114:49]
Tyler
I'm telling you, it was my ego. I got this guy. I was a hood cop. I showed up, knew what I was gonna say. I was very polite. It started not going my way. And when that dude showed me statue I had never seen before, I was mad. Now I have to eat crow, and I don't want to do that. It's lunch time. Y' all know how it is.
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Mike
Chipotle's out.
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Tyler
I'm making light in the sense that I was wrong. But I started that's it was that plus a million other things where I was like, maybe this isn't the career for me anymore.
- [115:19]
JoJo
Tell them about our biggest. Yeah, tell us our biggest fight. Fight. Verbal fight.
- [115:25]
Mike
Not. Not today you don't. Not the one right before the show.
- [115:32]
JoJo
So here's right. Someone who's been a cop way longer than me. One of our biggest fights was when I brought up the fact that the cops are not required. Have no duty to protect Steve Lavender.
- [115:43]
Mike
Steve. Oh.
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JoJo
But right through. Yeah, they have no duty. And that blew his mind. And I'm. And so I. And I started being in the training unit, I started bringing that up more and everyone was just kind of like, and now we have non criminal barricade. That whole thing where we don't have a duty to go in and save someone from wanting to shoot themselves. But that was my moment early on when I didn't know statutes in case law. And I'm like, this is terrifying.
- [116:05]
Mike
Did you use air quotes when you say way longer than me?
- [116:08]
JoJo
Possibly. That was one of the things that was terrifying to me because these are the things that govern my decision making. And how am I not aware of things that are so critical to what should be governing my decision making? And that is where the onus. And we're not pushing that on cops, we're not pushing that on cops to say, this is yours to know this onus. This is your responsibility. This is your obligation to know this. So I think that should have been when you have those moments of like, man, this, this civilian. Instead of, you know, getting, getting our feathers rustled, we go, you know what? I think I'm going to start learning more case law and reading more case law. And I, I encourage guys every time they get in their patrol car when they're sitting there drinking their coffee, getting their brain warmed up for the. The day. Pull up a case law. Maybe it's one you've already read, maybe it's a new one and just read a case law. Read a policy. Reread your use of force policy, your pursuit policy. Reread something. Study it while you're drinking your coffee. Who's doing that?
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Mike
Tyler.
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JoJo
I will come. I will drive there.
- [117:03]
Mike
We'll be there tomorrow. We'll be there tomorrow so we can have this conversation.
- [117:08]
Tyler
Hey, anytime. I'm in an argument with Mike and I know I'm right and he's wrong. Can I just Venmo you 20 bucks, tell him he's wrong. So then he'll come on here and say, I was wrong.
- [117:16]
Mike
You don't have to pay her.
- [117:17]
Nick G Money
It's.
- [117:17]
Mike
Any chance she gets to tell me I'm wrong, she'll pay you. Actually, like, hey, you. Can. You want me to tell Mike here's $20. Can I go tell him he's wrong?
- [117:26]
JoJo
Well, someone asked if we. If I tell war stories, and I ab. I don't tell war stories, but I will argue if there could be a camera following Mike and I arguing case law, statute, jury instructions, arrests, probable cause, it would.
- [117:39]
Mike
Josh says you're too smart for all of us. Like, you're. You're. You're making everybody in the chat smart. So we're very upset that their brains are. Their brains are working today so we
- [117:48]
JoJo
can listen to Tyler fart with his mouth for the next five minutes, and that'll bring back the IQ we haven't
- [117:52]
Tyler
even heard Nick talk.
- [117:55]
Mike
He's just a talent. He's the talent. What do you got to say about it?
- [117:59]
Nick G Money
I don't need to be. Listen, I don't need to be front and center. I'm fine sitting back.
- [118:03]
Mike
Except unless there's episodes about you.
- [118:05]
Nick G Money
Then. Then you brought me on to talk about my career. Shut the up. I talk. I told one story.
- [118:15]
Mike
All right, next week, we're gonna learn
- [118:17]
Nick G Money
about Nick today and G Money and what made him that. And used two talk for 20 minutes.
- [118:24]
Mike
All right, Nick, let's wrap it up, man. It's been great having you.
- [118:27]
Tyler
Hey, we're working on the G spot with. With G Money. He nailed. What is it? Nail it every time. Hit it every time. What is it?
- [118:35]
Nick G Money
I hit it every time. That's correct.
- [118:36]
Tyler
It's a political show. That's the beautiful thing about beautiful. It's the G spot with G Money. Hits it every time. But it's going to be a legitimate political show. We were working on that last night. We got the logos done up, working on a time slot and all that good stuff.
- [118:50]
Nick G Money
More towards, like, political show. But, like, what the Demand show used to be.
- [118:56]
Tyler
I don't. I still don't know. He sent me a picture of a woman with fake breasts in a bikini and goes, what about having her on? And I'm like, do you know her? And he goes, yes, biblically. I'm like, what the are you talking about? Naked, like, co host with you. And I still have no idea what
- [119:13]
Nick G Money
you are referencing having a segment where she comes on and nice.
- [119:18]
Tyler
You know her?
- [119:20]
Nick G Money
Yes. In a bikini or something like that. Or someone like, you know, a woman. You know, I might do like a. Like an award for, like, are you
- [119:29]
Tyler
Gonna be like, are you free Every Tuesday at 7:15?
- [119:33]
Nick G Money
Yep.
- [119:33]
Tyler
Just come by my house and wear a bikini.
- [119:38]
Nick G Money
She'll get a new bikini each week.
- [119:40]
Mike
Oh, boy.
- [119:40]
JoJo
Stack sells.
- [119:41]
Tyler
Yeah, we're gonna have your views go up the man show. But a political show. I like it. I like it. I like it, Nick. I like the annuity. I think you're onto something.
- [119:50]
Nick G Money
Politics. Titties.
- [119:52]
Mike
Tomorrow we are home run doing. We're doing the show again, right? They are the film.
- [119:59]
Tyler
Yeah, tomorrow. Oh, yeah, but I'm over here.
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Mike
I'm over here. Start. If those are food groups, I'm over here starving, just so you guys know. I'm over here. I'm starving over here. That dollar menu is starving, Just so you guys know.
- [120:13]
JoJo
Trying to kill you slowly.
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Mike
Yeah.
- [120:15]
Tyler
So, yeah, tomorrow we're gonna do the night shift.
- [120:18]
Mike
All right, so we'll be live 11 to 1 in the morning.
- [120:21]
Tyler
11 to 1. We're gonna cover that. I might have someone from Patreon. He actually messaged the group in Patreon and said that he wanted to talk about the Australian soldier that's being hung up to try.
- [120:33]
Mike
Yeah.
- [120:34]
Tyler
And he asked to come on the show. So I said, okay, we're gonna cover it tomorrow. I'm gonna do all the deep dive I can on it. But at the end of the day, it seems like it's a really bad. Just as bad as Eddie Gallagher, somebody doing the Lord's work we sent him over there to do, and now the government's trying to make a point and turn on him. So we'll cover that tomorrow. Yeah, right.
- [120:55]
Mike
We got tonight, 7pm Hot Topic with me and Dom. I think we're gonna hit that shooting that we just discussed. Look at a little more body cam. And then, you know, everybody's always welcome tomorrow night to show up at the studio. We order pizza for you, we feed you. So you're ever in the area, please come by.
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Tyler
Yeah, Nick, you should come by tomorrow night.
- [121:12]
Mike
Yeah, you should come by tomorrow.
- [121:13]
Nick G Money
You can order pizza to the van. There's that.
- [121:18]
Mike
Send me the address. Look for the guy in sweatpants. Good. Gray sweatpants. Gray sweatpants and no underwear. Headed to the strip club. Funny story. We're going to the Marlins game. We're going to Marlins game. Right. In May. And she says maybe we should stop by this place on the way there and it's called the Pink Pony Club. No idea what it is.
- [121:38]
Tyler
Well.
- [121:38]
Mike
And I. I was smart enough ahead of time to say, no, I don't think we should go there. And then what is It. It's a. It's a gentleman gentleman's club. But based on the name and the question, I was like, no, babe, we should probably stay away from that one. She's like, why?
- [121:52]
JoJo
I just figured there was gonna be
- [121:53]
Tyler
a lot of good burgers.
- [121:55]
Mike
Yeah, they got great steak at the Pink Pony Club.
- [121:58]
Nick G Money
The Lila's Den in Philly has some. Has a good steak.
- [122:01]
Mike
I bet.
- [122:01]
Tyler
I'll never. I'll never forget. We were in Dallas and Reagan picked us up from the airport, and we were driving by a place, and he goes, what about. What about eating here? And me and Mike were both out looking the other way, going, are you?
- [122:15]
Mike
Yes, it was. There were girls in, like, thongs, bikinis at, like, some restaurants. Yeah, they were outside on, like, the road. And I'm like, no, we're not going there. Take me to in and out.
- [122:26]
Tyler
Take me in and out.
- [122:28]
Mike
That's a different in and out. That's a quicker in and out. You're done. And out. But, yeah, I was like, no, I'm not. Definitely not gonna have my.
- [122:34]
Nick G Money
It's more expensive.
- [122:35]
Mike
In and out, whatever that place was.
- [122:37]
Tyler
Swishy pants. That's what Nick's gonna do. If he ever hits it big, he's gonna open up a gross, grimy strip club and call it swishy Pants.
- [122:45]
Nick G Money
Past that point in my life.
- [122:47]
Mike
No.
- [122:47]
Tyler
All right.
- [122:48]
Mike
He would just go there, not. Not own it.
- [122:51]
Tyler
Blow off his money there. Tomorrow morning, 11 o', clock, we'll be back. And tonight, 7 o', clock Eastern Standard Time. Hot Topic with Cobbill and Dominic. Jv team for life.
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JoJo
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