Is Trump DERANGEMENT Syndrome a Real Thing? (05/22/2026)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: Is Trump DERANGEMENT Syndrome a Real Thing?

Date: May 22, 2026
Host: The Antihero Podcast
Guests: Pat Brosnan (Contributor, Former NYPD), Ryan Williams (Retired Navy SEAL, Entrepreneur)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Antihero Broadcast dives into the concept of "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS), recent officer-involved incidents, and legal quirks faced by rural gun owners. The discussion features Pat Brosnan's direct insights on conspiratorial thinking surrounding Trump, practical policing wisdom, and the importance of critical security measures. Later, Ryan Williams joins to discuss transitioning from elite military service to entrepreneurial life, addressing the unique challenges veterans and first responders face when starting businesses.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Recent Officer-Involved Shooting: Laporte County, Indiana

Timestamps: 05:57–10:19

• The team reports and reacts to news of Deputy John Samuelson being shot while assisting a motorist in Indiana. The suspect had a gun during transport, which led to a confrontation at the hospital.
• Host's Take: Emphasis on officer vigilance, importance of searching all detainees, and the changing risks to police even in supposedly safe spaces like hospitals.
  • “Stay vigilant, be ready. The hospital is not—there’s no safe zones anymore.” (B, 09:20)

2. Pat Brosnan on Policing and Personal Safety

Timestamps: 10:19–13:30

• Pat shares old-school policing practices—how he always double-secured prisoners with leg irons and three revolvers for safety.
  • “You want to have the right tools with you... I almost would strip search my prisoners before they get behind me in a car.” (D, 11:41)
• On the importance of self-reliance, situational awareness, and the unpredictable dangers officers now face.

3. Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) — Dissecting the Phenomenon

Timestamps: 13:53–27:34

• Pat Brosnan defines TDS: As a "vicious brain-rotting, contagious psychological plague" that disconnects even highly educated people from reality.
  • “TDS is the most vicious brain-rotting, most contagious psychological plague in human history. It turns millions of otherwise normal people... into frothing cultists who are incapable of basic reason.” (D, 16:29)
• Example: Pat tells a story of a PhD lawyer acquaintance who believed Trump staged his own assassination attempt. He dismantles this theory with logic.
  • “Who killed Corey Compratore? Did Trump kill him?... I mean, everything has to be reversed if you really believe that.” (D, 14:41)
• He highlights the Washington Post–reported statistic that 34% of Americans believe the attempt was staged—decrying the scale of delusion.
• Host Critique: Similar thinking extends into other areas, such as gender ideology, driven by emotional rather than rational logic.
  • “That’s an extension, I believe, of this derangement syndrome...” (B, 17:32)

Memorable Quote

“If you believe it was staged, then you have to believe... Trump or his staff hand picked Thomas Matthew Crooks... to murder firefighter Corey Compratore in cold blood and gravely wound two other Trump supporters.” (D, 20:28)

4. Security Failures and Preventable Attacks

Timestamps: 29:46–39:24

• Brosnan analyzes high-profile attacks (Trump, Charlie Kirk) and outlines how basic drone surveillance could have prevented tragedy.
  • “The technology is here. We can identify swiftly and mitigate swiftly—hidden snipers, we can. It's extremely doable. And by the way, it's inexpensive.” (D, 36:17)
• He criticizes turf wars and compartmentalization among federal, state, and local agencies, hindering unified response.
• Urges use of available, affordable technology—drones, artificial intelligence, license plate readers—for both national events and school security.

5. Policing Technology and Political Pushback

Timestamps: 40:59–48:41

• The panel discusses Cambridge, MA banning ShotSpotter (gunshot locator) for being “racist.”
  • Brosnan strongly rebuts, explaining the technology’s neutrality and its crucial crime-fighting effectiveness.
  • “ShotSpotter is racist? I think it’s retarded... The technology doesn’t recognize color. It doesn’t recognize gender or ethnicity. It only recognizes the library of weapon ballistics sounds.” (D, 41:19)
  • He cites real examples where withdrawing security tech leads to innocent deaths.

Memorable Quote

“These decisions… these soft-on-crime judges, soft on crime prosecutors—we have to shine a spotlight... They have to be publicly shamed. They cannot skate.” (D, 47:10)

6. Viral Moment: The “Brutal Facts” T-Shirt

Timestamps: 48:41–49:43

• Pat’s unfiltered comment—“That’s just retarded”—sparks chat demand for a “Brutal Facts: Don’t Be Retarded” T-shirt featuring his likeness.
  • “The only thing you should be retarding is the spark on an old bike. You got to retard the timing… Other than that... Keep it out of law enforcement!” (D, 49:16)

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Segment: Small Business Talk with Ryan Williams (Ret. Navy SEAL)

Timestamps: 61:06–80:50

Entrepreneurship After Service: Hard Truths

• Ryan and hosts discuss the difficulties veterans and first responders face transitioning to business ownership:
  • “Most people want you to be successful, just not more successful than them." (E, 63:55)
  • The importance of humility and willingness to “be a new guy again.”
  • Challenges with scaling, finding genuine support, and mental health in the face of slow business growth.
• Practical Advice: Keep your day job during early business growth; the "burn the boats" advice is overhyped.
  • “When your business is growing, it actually eats up all your money. It doesn’t make you any money… I'm always a big fan of keeping your day job, running your side hustle as long as you can until you reach that apex point.” (E, 70:25)
• Paid advertising on social media is necessary—organic growth is hard to sustain.
• Success rarely happens overnight; expect 1–3 years for stability, even with strong backgrounds or public profiles.
  • “Nothing translates to anything else... you have to start from the bottom and treat it like a brand new thing.” (A, 68:04)

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Real Police Work: Rights and Rural Arrests

Timestamps: 81:05–104:49

Viral Case: Man Arrested on Own Property (Tennessee)

• Hosts break down a bodycam video where a rural gun owner is wrongly disarmed and arrested for refusing to ID himself after firing shots into the ground on his land (to scare chickens).
• The man expertly cites Fourth Amendment rights and police procedural failures, but is still arrested.
  • “If I have not committed a crime, you cannot detain me and you cannot take my id... There’s no crime.” (B, 87:40)
• Discussion of when and how police can enter property, detain, demand ID—highlights gaps in rural policing knowledge and the risk of “saving face” over doing right.
  • “This is why people hate cops, man. This is why people hate cops.” (A, 90:39)
• Hosts agree: these are the lawsuits and cases that should draw public outrage and result in settlements, not media spectacles over justified arrests.
  • “This is the worst violation of someone’s rights I can remember seeing.” (B, 103:03)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “TDS is the most vicious brain-rotting, most contagious psychological plague in human history.” — Pat Brosnan (16:29)
• “These decisions, this rhetoric... real people, innocent people, great people, stop breathing because of these decisions.” — Pat Brosnan (47:10)
• “Most people want you to be successful, just not more successful than them.” — Ryan Williams (63:55)
• Viral T-shirt moment: “Brutal Facts. Don’t be retarded.” — Pat Brosnan (49:15)
• “The constitution does not help you. You have to submit to arrest by the government who is 100% wrong, and then go to court. You have no way around that.” — B (101:36)

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Additional Highlights

• Security Tech in Policing: Advocates for drones, real-time crime centers, smart cameras, and ShotSpotter in law enforcement, and criticizes cities for regressing on technology out of political correctness.
• Entrepreneur Reality Checks: Repeated advice for veterans/first responders to “humble up” and expect slow, gritty business-building regardless of former glory.
• Audience Engagement: The audience plays along in live chat, sparking inside jokes and merch ideas (“Don’t Be Retarded” shirts).

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Overall Tone and Style

• Brash, blunt, unapologetically blue-collar, and skeptical of both government overreach and woke culture.
• Honest, irreverent banter between law enforcement, military, and working-class hosts and guests.
• Strong pro-law enforcement but quick to call out bad policing and government mistakes.
• Practical wisdom for veterans, first responders, and entrepreneurs with heavy doses of dark humor and reality.

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Conclusion

This episode energetically tackles the madness of conspiratorial thinking (especially around Trump), laments the erosion of law enforcement safety, rails against the disuse of policing technology, and delivers strategic, no-BS advice for those transitioning from service to entrepreneurship. The hosts and guests find plenty to rant, laugh, and commiserate about—making this a must-listen for Antihero’s target audience of veterans, first responders, blue-collar workers, and “the 99.”

Transcript

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I just want. Yeah, like you said, kick out the show. I'm still married to my beautiful wife, Heather. Are you still married?

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Okay.

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[A]

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[B]

You should have put Lewis on the table, man.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, Lewis, he didn't have to be here today. I. I guess. Lewis, did you mix the text from Mike that you didn't have to be here today? You didn't get the text from Mike? That's crazy that you didn't have to be here and ride all the way here on your scooter in that heat.

[B]

Oh, God, these dudes, man.

[C]

These.

[A]

Man. I hope Mike thinks about it. He's at his baseball game.

[B]

Lewis, you know. You know how. Let me tell you how this company works, Louis. I may be the half owner, but I. I am the minority when it comes to business. Tyler is the businessman. So when I tell Tyler, like two days ago, probably, hey, man, I'm not going to be there Friday, I know the boss is going to take care of notifying the employees and make sure everything is squared away. So What? Tyler was driving to the studio today in that ice cold air conditioning is jacked up truck with his arm out the window looking swole. He should have been like, you know, we don't need Lewis today because Mike's not coming. I'm gonna let Lewis know that Mike's not coming. So I guess he didn't tell you.

[A]

Lewis in a group text. I thought we do have a group not to use it. All right, while we wait on Pat Brosn guest number one, we're gonna talk Trump derangement system. And he's an expert on all.

[B]

Can you explain what Sizzleman syndrome. Yeah, you lisped it so it sounds like SISM.

[A]

But let's hit some other topics. First off, Indiana deputy shot. He is in the er. LaPorta deputy. I've never heard of Laporta, but I've never been to Indiana either. But he, the suspect is in custody. I'm gonna pull up the article right now.

[B]

As you pull this up. This show has a lot of jokes. I, you know, but this is what it's about. It's about making sure our guys are safe, making sure there's conversation and when somebody's injured or something happens, like we want to cover it, we want to let you guys know about it in case anybody knows these people. In case anybody can help out going forward with any child care or donations to help this family. That's why we're here. So you want to read that.

[A]

Laporta county deputy shot in the emergency room. Suspect in custody. Indiana State Police confirms that the deputy was shot at the Franciscan Health Hospital this morning. Oh, they confirmed it at the hospital. 33 year old John Samuelson was taken to Memorial Hospital in critical condition. This is a picture of him. Looks like he's canine out there doing the Lord's work. Indiana State Police says Samuelson stopped to help a motorist not far from Westfield. The deputy took the suspect, 22 year old him of Chicago to the hospital at the suspect's request. Officials say that Deputy Sampson learned the suspect may have been involved in an earlier criminal incident. We do not know what that incident may have been. Samuelson then returned to the hospital to discuss it with Grafton. An altercation happened. Oh, this happened at the hospital. An altercation happened in the emergency room during which the suspect allegedly drew a gun and fired. Deputy Samuelson was shot three times. Grafton ran into the nearby woods where officers found him and took him into custody. Officers found a handgun the suspect possessed. He. He is currently being held in the Laporta County Jail will be taken to Porter County. Officials say this is an isolated incident. There's no ongoing threat. Wow, dude. That's crazy. Dude takes a guy to the hospital, and this monster Savage shoots him. When he comes back to talk to him about a crime he committed, man, I'm telling you, there's no rule. There's no. There's no. We used to operate on a set of rules, dude. Like a set of code. Code of conduct. You're captured, you're in the hospital. You're going to produce a gun to shoot a deputy.

[B]

I'm gonna say the hard part was the gun on him the whole time during the ride to the hospital.

[A]

It probably was. But you know, when you're doing something like that, you're not thinking of a thorough search. I know. You should always thoroughly search anybody that goes in your car. That's a hard lesson to learn, man. Every time I had somebody in my back seat, we talked about this. I always. I was always driving in fear that I missed something.

[B]

Yeah, Mark, we'll cover that one later, Mark. But, yeah, I want to just.

[C]

And.

[B]

And God bless the officer, his family, anybody involved, but we are responsible to. Part of this would be education and that this is a. If. If. I don't know the circumstances. But as it sounds, please search every single human being that goes in the back of your car. I don't even. I always handcuffed all transports that were Baker act or some type of mental evaluation being asked for. Even if they asked me to drive them. My rule was, you get my car, you go in handcuffs. Not like Granny that needs a ride home because her car's locked in. You know, keys are locked in a car. But if you say, hey, I'm kind of not feeling myself, or I need to go get evaluated, I'm not doing so hot. That person has to be searched if they don't want to be searched. And you say, sorry, man, like, I'll, you know, good to go. Like, I. I don't. Yeah, so I don't. I don't. And I'm not saying that's what happened. Maybe he got armed later. But if. If just the way it sounds, please make sure you search everybody. Other than that, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna knock on anybody. He goes back to the hospital doing his job, he gets ambushed. Stay vigilant, be ready. The hospital is not. There's no safe zones anymore. You know, the guy you transferred to the hospital to get help 10 minutes later is trying to kill you. That's That's. That's America. That's. That's policing. That's where we're at. So, you know, God bless him, his family, hopefully. I. I pray they recovers. And that bad guy goes bye, bye or under.

[A]

All right, without further ado, we have one of our contributors, Mr. Pat Brosnan.

[D]

Hey, guys.

[B]

Hey. What's going on, Pat?

[D]

Cool, man.

[C]

Good, good.

[D]

Crazy story, you know? Yes, it's interesting. You know, when I was running around in the 4 6, the South Bronx as an NYPD patrolman detective, anti crime, I was a power lifter. So I ran like I had a piano on my back. No speed at all. I could pull six beans from the floor, but I couldn't run anybody down, which is one reason I broke these out. I found them laying around. I always carried leg irons. I always leg ironed my prisoners. Now, back then, it was pretty rare. I didn't really see other guys doing it. And the reason was, I knew if they took off on me, I'd have a real hard time getting them. I didn't want to lose a prisoner, because in the nypd, when you lose a prisoner, you could get fined as many as 30, 30 days, which would probably be 6 grand, you know, direct fine in the trial room. The NYPD trial room. So, to your point, and I couldn't concur more, I almost would strip search my prisons before they get behind me in a car, you know, And I did like the leg irons. And they also had a stomach chain so that they connected hands connected to the feet.

[A]

Yeah, well, you know what?

[D]

That's how they transport between arraignment. That's how they transport the prisoners. Corrections. Why? That wasn't policy, you know, But I never used them.

[B]

But I did. I'll tell them myself. I actually obtained that bid. They're still in the garage because I didn't turn them in. I have a belt, the belt. And then I have a pair of leg irons as well. I. I guess I never ran into the person that needed them, but I did acquire a set of each to make sure that in the event I ever did, I had them.

[D]

Hey, man, it's like a carpenter, right? You want to have right tools with you? Those are the right tools. You know, you. You can't let them get something that you could have missed. I don't know how you'd miss a gun. I won't speak to this nightmare scenario in the emergency room, but you nailed it. Everything's on the table. Doesn't matter where it is. It could be church. It's the emergency room. I mean, for God's sake, they open fire in commands in precincts. In New York, They've come into a precinct with an automatic weapon, just open fire in the muster room, you know, so it's. It's insanity. It really is. Your head's got to be on a swivel, you know, like I say all the time, carry a couple of guns. You know, the, The Bronx reload. I always used to say I carry three revolvers. That was my box.

[A]

On your person?

[D]

No, two off duty, always three on in. When I was in, you know, uniform and in plain clothes, I. I carried a detective special on my ankle and detective special and a belly band. And then I had a model 10, 6 inch, my service weapon, revolver on my right. Always. And that was, by the way, 17 rounds. Six, six and five. Which was the gun of the day at the time. Right. The glock was always 16 rounds. So I kind of leveled it out, you know.

[A]

That makes sense.

[D]

Yeah, well, the math made sense anyhow, but I digress. Good afternoon, guys.

[A]

Good afternoon.

[B]

We're.

[A]

Hey, do you have something covering the top of your camera?

[D]

No, I. No. Great question. I think that I am. I got some fancy controls here.

[A]

Oh, look at that. Perfect.

[D]

There you go. All right. Much better. Thank you. By the way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You had written when you. What you sent me earlier in the week. Is that an article that you wrote?

[D]

Yes, yes, I wrote and published it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Phenomenal article about, essentially about Trump derangement Syndrome. And, you know, I, I've, I've always wondered that. Nick covered it a little bit on the G Money show. He actually asked the psychologist, is this a real thing? Is this, is this something that they're trying to. Like that, like what is, in your words, Trump Derangement Syndrome? Because they, it's dangerous. Because they come up with these theories of. You know, I love, trust me, I love a conspiracy theory just like the other guy. Right. But to say that Trump faked his own assassinations is asinine.

[D]

Well, it's, it's beyond madness. But I will tell you, I just want to get this straight. I had a conversation with the female a week, maybe 10 days after July 13th. I had written a five page single spaced deconstruction and reconstruction of the collapse of communication, coordination, command and control at July 13, the biblical level security collapse. So I wrote this article and she's a PhD. Okay. So. And I know her a long time. I like her. She's good people. She works in a very Senior position. She's a lawyer. And I knew she was a Democrat, but I said, you know, Jane Doe, I'll give her Jane Doe. I said, jane, I'll send you this article I just wrote, maybe you'll enjoy reading. It's pretty detailed. She said, pat, you really believe that happened? I thought she was talking about something else. I said, do I believe what happened? She goes, you know, that was all staged. You know, he cut his own ear and then he jumped up and it was all a photo op. So I delivered the crushing, murderous, devastating single line that is so obvious that it's sickening. I said, okay, Jane, so who killed Corey Compratore? Did Trump kill him? And who wounded the other two? The Marine Corps captain and the architect? Who wounded them? Did he have a three shot derringer in the shoes that somehow he magically kicked off his oxfords that were tightly laced? So he did all of that in four seconds and he killed three supporters. So anyhow, we were in the restaurant, it was kind of quiet after that for a while and, you know, what are you going to do? But then when I see this, the Wall Street Journal, 34% of Americans believe Trump staged his own assassination. I mean, this is Trump derangement syndrome at its most psychotic. And that's why when I wrote the article, I just got up in the morning, I had to put it out that really 110 million Americans, 110 million Americans believed that Trump fabricated for cheap political gain. Think about that. Think about the insanity of that. Out of a population of 340 million, they believe this fever dream. And I gotta tell you, TDS is the most vicious brain rotting, most contagious psychological plague in human history. It really is, it turns millions of otherwise normal people. This is a woman who is not just a lawyer, she's a PhD. But it turns them into frothing cultists who are incapable of basic reason. Really, they don't understand what that means, that gravity is backwards, the laws of physics are backwards, the sun now must set in the east. I mean, everything has to, everything has to be reversed if you really believe

[B]

that, you know, and they also believe, they also believe that you can wake up a different sex in the morning and change your genetics and, you know, wear a dress and go in the wrong bathroom. These are the same people. It like starts to make sense a little bit going, these are the same people that'll tell you, a five year old kid can tell you he wants to be a girl now instead of a boy, or he wants to go like those P. That's an extension, I believe, of this derangement syndrome, that they believe that the Trump thing is almost like, well, okay, these same people now are teacher, like you said, teachers, lawyers. And they're influencing other people with these absolute insane ideas that are. They're not real.

[D]

Well, that's the transgender strain of this illness. We'll call it that. And there's other multiple strains. They're all first and second cousins. But for anyone to think that the president personally was involved in selecting, because if it's a stage, there's certain irrefutable facts. He had to select, hire and direct three verbs, three spectacularly unqualified losers to carry out murder plots against himself with real blood, real corpses, and a real Secret Service heroes blasted in the chest by a shotgun. You know, I'm in a. Kind of a bit of a unique position because I've stood at all three sites. I've been there actually all four. We don't count February 22nd, the gas can and the shotgun at the north gate of Mar a Lago. But I've stood there, I've measured the distances, I walked the paths, I've studied the roof line. I looked at the air conditioner that Thomas Matthew Crooks uses, a ladder to get to the sloped roof of Building 6. For folks, for Americans to believe that all of this was staged is. Is really incomprehensible. It's really. It's a whole nother level, man. I mean, I don't even know where to start with it.

[A]

It's crazy because, you know, you talk to people that are so educated. They're so educated doctors, you know, teachers, and. And you. And then they say things like that, and you're like, I kind of. I can't give you any more credit in my brain for being smart. If you're willing. If you're willing to go, listen, I don't like Donald Trump. Two, he staged his own assassinations, attempt like, I get it, man. Some people don't like Donald Trump. Everybody's political affiliation, and I'm sure you're just like us at some points. You just like to sit down with people and pretend you're like, I don't even want to know this person's political affiliation because I. It ruins my belief, my feelings for him. It really does. Somebody tells me I'm a Biden supporter. I'm like, man, I just don't like you now. So I don't ask. Most of the time in. In a. In an informal setting, you just don't ask. But when people like that believe that Trump has staged his own assassination, it's like you're mentally ill.

[D]

It's, it's, it's a massive too.

[B]

It's crazy, crazy, crazy.

[D]

It's insanity. And in order to run it through its, its arc. So in other words, if 116 million Americans believe that Trump staged his own three attempts on his life, then you have to believe that Trump or his staff hand picked Thomas Matthew Crooks, take him for example, on July 13, put him on the payroll or gave him cash and gave him instructions. Follow this because this is where the madness reaches biblical level. Gave Crooks instructions to just graze Trump's right here, somehow graze it as he turned to the jumbotron, right. Instructed crooks, right, Trump or his staff to murder firefighter Corey Comprtori in cold blood and gravely wound two other Trump supporters. So that's, and those are the facts that if you believe it was stayed, then you have to believe that Wesley Routh, Thomas Allen, Cole, Thomas Allen at the White House correspondents dinner, Ralph at the golf course, and crooks on July 13th in Butler were all instructed and paid for by Trump or his staff. And for anyone to believe that, I mean, really, I think you should just check yourself into the insane asylum for the rest of your life.

[B]

Well, check yourself if you selected them. Now, it's just like any other from when we were kids to adults. When you tell somebody something and say, don't tell anybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like now it's like, hey, you're gonna go down for trying to kill the president, but don't tell anybody that we, we staged this and you're gonna get interrogated, you're gonna go to prison, you're gonna have all these horrible things happen to you. But at no time during the rest of your life in prison can you ever go, I want out. I'm. Never mind. I'm part of this. I'm part of the show. Like that part to me is harder to believe than. It's, it's, it's nuts. And it's the same syndrome than we see these, that the mainstream media won't report is when you see these, some of these influence, go up and ask these people on the street, why don't you like President Trump? Or why don't you? They don't have any real answers. They don't have any real answers. They're just, he's bad, he's racist, he's a man, he's. Well, why? Why? I don't know. Somebody told me to somebody told me not to like him or the T. There's never any substance to why. And then when you get to substance, it's always he's, you know, he's faking his own assassination. He's like, it's just both sides of this are completely insane. There's really no normal logic on that side of those 110 million people. They're all insane.

[D]

And again, you're correct. Because, you know, it's one thing to say, I hate him, he's Hitler, he's a doddering, incompetent 80 year old, he's an omnipotent mastermind, whatever those characterizations are. It's another thing entirely to say that somehow Trump or his staff reached out to Ryan Wesley Roth. Let's use that loser. From September 15th at the golf course. This is a predicate felon. 100 criminal charges. He's been charged 100 times criminal charge in state and federal courts, including a weapon of mass destruction. Somehow he came into the orbit of Trump or one of his staff was spoken to, retained and directed. Okay, two, get this. To shoot at Trump on his own golf course with the SKS rifle. So he wouldn't, you wouldn't hire him. Yeah, but no, yeah. You wouldn't hire this guy, like I used to say about crooks to give you a sponge bath.

[B]

No. He couldn't pump gas at the gas station. You wouldn't even bring them to the gas station to pump gas. But you're going to make them responsible for.

[A]

Yeah, hiding.

[B]

Assassinate the president and go down and act it all out properly, like.

[D]

All right, man, exactly right.

[B]

You're going to get it right this time, I promise.

[A]

You know, and like the it. These things are crazy because I mean to like, let's look at, let's go back all the way to 9 11.

[C]

Right.

[A]

We do know that there was some hairy information sharing between government entities that, that could or could not have give us any more intel that we needed to know. I think everybody agrees on that. People start getting into the conspiracy theories. How many people would have to be involved, how many for that to be pulled off. Then you get really bad, you get people saying like, Sandy Hook didn't happen. You got, you got 26 kids that are deceased with families and you're gonna sit there on the Internet and say, well, that didn't really happen. They were just going after our guns. So those things exist and people we all know, but then they go and say something like this, it's like, it's the same thing, like how, like how many assassination, what would you call them? Like assassinators, Assassins could you keep on the payroll and be like, hey, you might die during this, so thank you. Yeah, and you're probably gonna spend the rest of your life in prison, but don't tell anybody that Trump hired you.

[D]

In the case of crooks, you're gonna get shot in the left side of your face and expire on scene, Right?

[A]

So, yeah, yeah, in case it's one millimeter.

[D]

Yeah, but he probably was getting 30 or 40 bucks an hour, right figure, plus travel time, so it was worth retaining him. You know, this, this is just such madness. I mean, it requires a complete expulsion, a complete rejection of the rules of physics and gravity and the sun setting, like I said. But also logistics, as you mentioned. How many people would be involved to take the towers down? Honestly, logistically impossible, probably to even to calculate Sandy Hook again. But that's not 34% on a Washington Post survey. Because if you, again, if you go, you know, say we go to

[B]

these

[D]

White House correspondents dinner, right, Just a couple, couple of weeks back, this guy, this supreme loser, Cole Thomas Allen, right? 31 year old guy from California. So he was directed according to that theory, because it all follows logically. If Trump staged it, that meant he told Cole Thomas Allen, listen, do me a favor, leave California, travel cross country. I'm going to need you to stop in Chicago, but when you get to Washington, you go over to check into the 10th floor room at the Hilton, and then when you think it's appropriate, Cole, charge down 10 flights, burst through that unmanned stairwell door, which we've discussed, sprint through the magnetometers, boom. And then with your 12 gauge and your 38, blast a uniform Secret Service agent point blank in the chest. Thank God he survived. And by the way, you're going to be doing all this, this is Trump's staff telling him the President, the Vice President and the Cabinet will be right nearby in the Imperial Ballroom. But listen, good luck and best of luck and you're, you're doing a great job.

[E]

Go get him.

[B]

Kill everyone and don't mess up.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it insulting?

[D]

Don't occur any overtime, don't incur any overtime, right from the police department. I don't want to see an overtime slip on it. I mean, it's, it's, it's comical. It's, it's actually common. We can laugh because it's comically absurd. Yeah, but guys, 34%, even if it's inflated, let's just say it's 14%.

[A]

Yeah, it's horrifying.

[D]

It is. That's the word.

[A]

And I mean, does you. When you went to these sites where you get. Were you given a little bit more access to. Due to you being Pat Brosnan or could anybody.

[D]

No, I carried my ID, because I don't have. I have a shield. But I, I had my police id. I went there on a motorcycle. I went down a 37 Harley. So the people there were very interested in the bike. They took pictures of it. That was part of my head fake because I really wanted to get to Building six and I really, really wanted to jump up on the air conditioner and go up on the roof and replicate what, you know, where the assassin's nest was. But that wasn't. That wasn't allowed. But they gave me broad play being X nypd. And I told them, I said, listen, I'm a FOX contributor Newsmax attributor. I do a bit of writing. I said, I analyze this. I want to see it. I want to walk the 157 yards. I want to measure 157 yards. And by the way, no different than I did what, 345 Park Avenue. I went down the next morning. I parked my truck, my pickup, exactly where that Animal parked his BMW. And I walked and I timed it. 11 seconds. I did the same thing with the sergeant up in the Bronx, Duran. I went over to 192nd and Aqueduct. It was my old command, and I walked it. I actually put a motorcycle out of Fat Boy. I went up on a sidewalk, and then I measured the sidewalk. The sidewalk was 64 inches, just shy of what, five feet? Pretty damn narrow when you put a big bike on it. I mean, I don't see how anybody could have got out of the way of that bike. And that's the cooler case, right? You know, so, yeah, I like to go to the. I like to go to the crime scene. I just do. It's, it's. It's not. Wasn't far. I was down in South Jersey when I went over. Took me two or three hours on a bike. It was a fun ride, actually, to Butler City is an hour away, you know, for me. And obviously the Bronx is a half hour away. So, you know, I just like, I like to be able to speak intelligently as it relates to the pure facts, you know, pure measurements. Put an eyeball to the crime scene. No different than when I was running around as detective. You know, I, I would go to the crime scene and study it very closely. It's like everybody did, really, that Was taking it serious.

[A]

Well, let me ask you this, and this is if it's too broad of a topic, by all means, we can cover it another day. But I've never asked you your opinions on anything referenced to Charlie Kirk assassination. Just, just go. Just going to security alone. Just let's break it down by security.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

You know what?

[D]

I did not go there first. I apologize for interrupting. Utah was too far. I couldn't get there. You know, I was in the Bronx. But I'm instantly familiar with case. Extremely. Okay, yeah, yeah, extremely. And I'll tell you why. I'm involved with a counter drone technology company. I'm a partner, it's called Airspace Defense. Were based in San Francisco. One second. That's my motorcycle Springer going on my bike. You can't tell you how many times that happened live on tv. What's that motorcycle? That's Knucklehead. So this is great. I'm glad you brought this up. So we have this kind of drone technology which is extraordinary. We have 71 patents. So I'm not doing a commercial for what we do, what we do, but I'll give content. Well, I'll do that too. But I'll give you the context as it relates to the campus building is the Osher campus building. I think Oscher, he was on the southwest corner, the shooter. So I spoke to my CEO and the engineers and what we do is think of the acronym DIM D I M Detect ID and mitigate. And what do we do? We detect idea, mitigate hostile drones in airspace that were contracted to protect. So we do the World Series, we do major events. I don't want to say. Yeah, we do some really, really high profile events. So I spoke to the engine, I said, guys, if we had put our technology and all of this is a platform and a little, it's a laptop really, with a drone for first responder. Right. A DFR that a DFR is a drone that you get from Walmart and it comes the next day. It's about 800 bucks. Not a fancy drone, nothing big, but if you take the, the stream of video, the imagery that comes from that camera and you put it through our technology, our patented technology, here's precisely what would have happened. We would have done a, what we call a factual baseline at the campus. We would have sent the drone up, the police drone would have went up and it would have said, all right, I see there's roofs here, there's terrain here, there's hills here, there's antennas on these roofs, whatever. With the Terrain, right? This is what it looks like. This is real. And then at the time when the first attendant gets on the stage, say, Kirk, you say if he was up first, then the drone does a grid patrol. That's all there's a grid patrol, an outline grid of what we call the danger zone, say 500 yards east, west, north and south. So I just want to make it kind of simplistic for the viewer and the listenership. It's just a drone up in the air doing a patrol that we've given it instructions. What the danger zone comprises. The OSHA campus building was certainly in there. It was 200 yards. What our drone technology would have identified and what a drone for first responders with our technology would have identified as a patrol that would have said, whoa, that's different. There's something on the roof that wasn't there before when we did the factual baseline. Looks like a black Hefty bag, and it looks like an umbrella or maybe a broom is sticking out of it. All this is happening in milliseconds. Oh, no, that's a prone human with an AR15. Like this, guys, like this. And then what happens? The drone gets redirected. It goes within five yards of the shooter and it issues commands. Drop your weapon, you've been identified. Drop your weapon, been identified. And simultaneously, just think, all this technology is there. Three things would happen immediately, via phone, point to point, just in case there's signal issues, and a phone call. The stakeholders, the police, the security would be informed that there's a man with a gun on the roof on the southwest corner of the OSHA campus with a rifle. And that is a fact. So Kirk could have been saved by technology. They just didn't do it. And that's a fact. And it's sad. It's very sad. And the same with Trump, we would have spotted. The irony is that Butler, the only one who put a drone in the air with Butler, the only one, was the shooter. Not the state police, not the SWAT guys.

[A]

Are you serious?

[D]

Not one other drone. The only drone was put up in the air by Thomas Matthew crooks at 2:00 in the afternoon.

[A]

Hey, Mike, I will say this. That's where. That's how we've always done it. That's where that comes into play. Because it gets dangerous. We've always done these. We've always done these security gigs like this, right?

[D]

And there's also the territorial wars. You know, guys, we're all in the military and the police departments. FBI don't like the secret Service, they don't like the local guys. SWAT hates everybody who likes the. You know, so there's no unified command. And we saw it when you referenced the towers before, right? You're rather cryptic reference to the turf wars, which I get it and I know of it. That was all, that was all non information changing because. Because of it. Just territorial dislike, you know, and it sucks out loud. And. And we've gotten a lot better at it. But I'll tell you, Butler, holy Christ, I bet you if you interviewed all your police and military friends and you went through them all and said, have you ever heard of anyone ever getting struck in the ear by a bullet that size from a weapon that size? I had three colonels, one, two, three, working with me at Brosnan. They were in a command center, they ran hurricanes, they ran active shooters. And I asked all three and they were serious. 2430 year veterans. Never, never heard of, never heard of such an incredibly lucky event where a bullet of that size. I think it was a 410. I could be wrong, but it was this big because I had it on Fox and I demonstrated it in my range. I demonstrated the ferocity of that round in an indoor range that I have. And I got to tell you,

[C]

it's.

[D]

It's a. It's a crazy world. That's all I can say. I mean, listen, carry a gun every day. Practice. Get a comfortable holster and keep practicing. Practicing. That's what I tell everybody. Put your head on a swivel, grow eyes in the back of your head, grass in the side of your head and trust Nolan. And look twice and look three times. Listen, man, I get on the train, I'm watching all the time. You know, July 4th, it's 90 degrees. There's a guy wearing a. A full length leather right, sweating away. This is a guy I'm going to keep a real close eye on. And I, I always have my pocket full of fun like, you know, bad, bad Leroy brown. I got that 38 airweight, 11 ounces of magic. That's it unloaded, but it's never unloaded. But I digress. Again, sorry. Yeah, but that's the scoop though, with the, with the technology as it relates to counter drone technology. The technology is here. We can identify swiftly and mitigate swiftly. Hidden snipers, we can. It's extremely doable. And by the way, it's inexpensive, which is even more amazing.

[B]

Yeah. I believe the city just purchased a New York purchase, like $6 million worth of drones for the World cup that's coming. So I'm sure that unfortunately for, unfortunately for Charlie, Kirk and even the President, they weren't using that technology. But ironically, for, I mean, World cup,

[A]

how does, how does somebody in all those levels of authority and government and law enforcement not think of, in any of these situations to be. I want, I want 40. I want 40 drones up, 40 of them and rotate it like. I want drones everywhere. Drones. Like they're so cheap. Buy them, Buy them all. Go to Walmart and buy all the drones and bring them back here and get the nerds in a little command post and we could have superiority of everything from the sky. Yeah. And it just blows my mind because

[B]

we have that same technology Pat's talking about at all the schools, because when we would do like the football games, they would put a sniper up in the tower above the school. One of our snipers took his gun out of the bag at the, at the car and went to walk up. As soon as he. As soon as the camera saw the gun, all the whistles and bells go off, everything. Everybody gets notified in two seconds. That's all over school campuses. That's in place. But now that it's. It used to be, you know, the original license plate leaders, it had to be a camera for that product. Now you can take it just any camera and install software that allows it to read tags as well. So you're saying the similar thing. It's not. You don't. You can get a regular drone. The software is going to use the regular drone camera to now act as a agent to find guns or things that just didn't stand out as different. That, like you said, that's seconds. You could have that program that immediately this drone has picked up something on a roof that's different. Get them off.

[D]

And how.

[B]

I believe Charlie Kirk would have rather stopped his show or his, his event five times to make it maybe clear up an unknown that ends up being nothing and still be here. So you gotta have to take the little interruptions with the, with, with the, with the technology. But the technology is absolutely there to do it. And there's no reason now they shouldn't be using it.

[A]

There's no reason.

[D]

There's no reason at all. And those interruptions are called the cost of staying alive. The cost of staying alive. The cost of doing business. Had that Hefty bag been identified and then subsequently it's a prone human with a rifle, there should have been a tackle like an NFL super bowl tackle taking Charlie Kirk down and off the stage. That's how that works. Get Them out of the, out of the scope, the laser scope that's zeroing in on them. And you nailed it with the schools. I'm very familiar. We had it ourself in many schools. All the weapon detection technology with smart cameras, we call them smart cameras that identify. I think we had a library of 22,000, maybe not that many. That might have been the sounds of the weapons with the ShotSpotter, but we had a library of every weapon from a Derringer to a.500 caliber everything. And it would be able to identify immediately and say, whoa, that guy's not walking into school with an umbrella. He's walking into the school with an AR alongside it. And then all the, all the mitigating steps come into play immediately. It's magic stuff not to use. It is the height of irresponsibility. It really is. It's horrific. And like you said, you get on your, you get on your phone, Walmart, Instacart, you have a drone at your door for 500 bucks. You power it up and you're gone. It's like magic. It's at the door in 24 hours and you just throw it up in the air. Couldn't be easy.

[B]

I want to get your thoughts on this. We talked about it yesterday. I don't know how much long you have. It's Cambridge matches. Massachusetts. Yesterday ruled that shotspotter is racist. And they're removing, they're removing it. They're getting rid of shotspotter because they're

[D]

never going to learn.

[B]

What, what are your thoughts on shotspotter being racist?

[D]

I think it's retarded. I think, I think even suggest it is a, is a light of retardation. That, that's, that's, you know, we're knocking on the Washington Post article again. Shotspotter is racist. So let's, let's take, let's take that apart. So for, for the viewership and the listenership, I'm sure they understand what ShotSpotter is. It's. It's advanced technology that can differentiate between a backfiring Harley Davidson and a.38 caliber round.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

And then they immediately make the proper notifications. And that's the way it works. That's how they mitigate. It does not recognize color. It doesn't recognize gender. The camera, the technology doesn't recognize ethnicity. It only recognizes from a library. And I think that's where the 22,000, the 22,000 round. Percussive the sounds of the weaponry and the rounds, the guns and the rounds, the ammunition, the Ballistics is sword. And it, it identifies it immediately, which is important because for patterns, you know, for patterns where there's been shootings with similar, say a.44 or whatever, it might have been used. So that to me is sickening, reprehensible and I got to tell you, indefensible. Because when someone is not arrested who has fired a weapon in the commission of a robbery or a murder or whatever the crime is as a result of removing the shots, bought out. Let's file this free. Because it's gone, because it's racist. And they go out. And now a bullet after that shooting, which was not identified, there was no police came screaming up with lights and sirens and locked them up 50 yards from the scene. Right. Because of the technology informing the movement. But now that same bad guy, he doesn't go to the convent and read to the blind children, okay? He reoffends. These guys never get better. He reoffends and maybe a bullet like we had in Brooklyn kills a 7 month old in a stroller or 78 year old out on a park bench recently in Queens. And that to me is complicity and collusion of the worst. When these judges and I tell you we got to put a spotlight on them or whoever in this case, that's if you release defendants, but that you remove pragmatic, intelligent and, and seriously mitigating technology because of some insane thinking that it's racist in some way. There's, there are real damages that could come from the lack of that technology. There's real. People could die.

[B]

And you would look at, you're taking away something. I could see where you go, well, I can't either. But for the devil's advocate side, I could see where I go. I'm a liberal and I go, well, we're gonna have to spend $5 million to bring ShotSpotter into the city. And I, it's, you know, I, I don't think it's right. It's going to target the wrong people. Okay, you know, you want to play that game and you didn't have already have it then, whatever, it's still retarded. But now you have it. Now you have it. You know, it's working because we, we just went up there to Lawrence, Massachusetts and they have ShotSpotter and they had showed us a call from earlier in the day. Like you said, on a good day with a cooperating neighborhood, with people that want to help the police, it's going to take probably two or three minutes for a 911 call to get received and actually understood about where we're going. So now you're two or three minutes behind the curb. Then you have to dispatch it. Then you have to respond 5, 6, 7 minutes. On a good day in a really busy area where maybe there's cops around, the shot spotter gives you immediately bang, bang, bang. Look at the screen. Oh, my God, we got shots fired. We don't have to wait for a call. We don't have to wait for anybody to tell us it's happening. We know it's happening. We're dispatching it real time. And like you said, it's updating direction. The gun was going this way. There's several shots, and the trail of shots was going east. Let's start pushing our resources east. Let's get, get a helicopter up in the air. All those things that happen like that. It's racist. It's not the gun's fault. Or in this case, finally, it's not the gun's fault, but it's not the criminal's fault. It's not the, you know, lack of parenting or, you know, behavior. It's shotspotters fault. It's racist. That, that's, that's the. I mean, it's almost, it's almost crazier than the, than the Trump deranged syndrome. It's like now it's technology deranged syndrome, where technology showing crime is racist.

[D]

It may not be a first cousin, but it's definitely a cousin of tds. There's no question, it's crazy. And when you plug that in, as you well know, and I'm sure a lot of your audience does, when you plug in that technology, the ShotSpotter technology, into an RTC, into a real time crime center, okay? Where now it's working in conjunction with linked cameras. Now we're tracking the guy in real time. Precisely what they didn't have at Brown University. I eviscerated them in a published article. I tore them to shreds. And by the way, I went to Brown. I went up. I didn't attend the school. I went to school in the Bronx, but I went up to Brown after the shooting. And before the shooting, I knew Brown. I had a rape case up there, so I knew the grounds well. And I told the president in a live interview when she stated the lack of cameras in the. I think it's the Hollywood engineering building, which is where the four students were murdered and nine were critically wounded. And just as a side point, the snitch who identified the guy was a homeless felon who lived in the basement of that building, let that marinate for a while. He's the guy called the FBI. I'm calling for the basement because I live in the basement illegally and I'm a felon and I'm in the building. But I didn't do the shooting. This guy did with the limp, right? So I told the President, I said. When she said the lack of cameras in the engineering building and elsewhere on the campus had zero to do with the shooting. I stated publicly, I think it was Fox. Could have been Newsmax or both. I will debate her anywhere on the planet. I'll pay my own expenses. Anywhere she wants to debate that, I will eviscerate her on that. The fact is she had 34 cameras. I counted them outside her presidential palace residence on property where she gets paid $3.2 million. She had 32 cameras. You know how many cameras are on the Hollis building? 0. 0. So anyhow, I mean, you know, there's a lot of first cousins of tds, right? There's the transgender madness. There's a racist shotspotter. But the really sad part about it is that real people, innocent people, great people, stop breathing because of these decisions. That's the real problem. They stop breathing. They die when they should, when they didn't have to. Not like they had terminal cancer, they got hit by a bus. They die as a result of crimes that occur and they're allowed to occur. And offenders that are allowed to roam with. Armed. Armed. And they become collateral damage. They become collateral damage. So these decisions, this rhetoric, these soft on crime judges, soft on crime prosecutors. We have to shine a spotlight. And you guys are great at it. And listen, I'm with you all the way. They have to be publicly shamed. They have to be publicly shamed. They cannot skate. They should not be allowed to skate. And they've been skating. They skate. You know, cop does something wrong, he's on the front page of the Times. A judge releases a guy that goes, and then murders a 68 year old feeding the pigeons in Central Park. The judge just, you know, continues sipping a cappuccino in chambers and nothing changes. That's got to stop. That's. That's not cool.

[A]

Well, Pat, I mean, before you go, we just wanted. The chat blew up when you said when they, They. I don't think they expected you to go. Well, that's just retarded. So they want a hard facts T shirt with a picture of you that says, don't be retarded.

[D]

Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, I'm sorry. Say it again. My. I'm breaking up a little bit. They want to. Or what?

[B]

They want to design a shirt. Yeah, go ahead.

[A]

You want a brutal fact shirt with your. With your picture on it that says, don't be retarded.

[D]

We can make.

[B]

We can make that happen.

[D]

Brutal facts. Don't be retarded. I love it. The only thing you should be retarding is the spark on an old bike. You got to retard the timing, okay. To kick the thing over. Other than that, it's an operative verb. Keep it out of law enforcement. Put your heads on straight. Practice. Get a comfortable holster. What else can I say? Guys, this is great. Love it, love it, love it. Anytime, man. This and these are great topics. I mean, we unfortunately have a lot of content. We do, yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. For days. Four days. Thank you so much, Pat.

[D]

My pleasure, guys. Thank you.

[A]

All right, man, your 50.

[B]

One minute mark. Oh, want to burn?

[A]

One minute.

[B]

Are we gonna. I got breaking news then. For one minute, just in. Tulsi Gabbard has resigned from Trump's cabinet effective June 30, due to a illness. It's. It's. I need to get your tinfoil.

[A]

An illness?

[B]

No, her son. Her husband. Her husband has a rare form of bone cancer. She said that she cannot continue to effectively do her job. So she is resigning from Trump's cabinet effective June 30th. That just broke today. Tulsi Gabbard's out. Almost his whole original cabinet is just about gone. Everybody's leaving your hat out.

[A]

Hey, you know what? I don't want to put that. I don't want to put that bad stuff out there. And if he really does have bone cancer, that's.

[B]

No, he does. He does. I mean, obviously, but it's just the timing and everything going on. Tulsi Gabbard no longer in Trump's cabinet, effective June 30th. Heard it here first, maybe.

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Oh, I probably should state like one of those. What are they called? Like a. But we put at the beginning of the episode, like what do you say? Like what do you call that? What do we run a disclaimer? Yeah, that you will not have guns like this if you order tank tops from counterculture ink threads. But if you do have something to work with, the tanks look amazing. So go to flatlinefibercode.com Use promo code 15 Save15 on your slings, your ifacture dump pouches and your baseline bag. Since they're founding in 2019, they have strived to create the highest military gear with real world functionality trusted by SWAT teams, high level military units, police agencies and civilian shooters across the globe. They make gear you can trust. Made in America with a lifetime warranty. So go to flatlinefibercode.com use promo code ANTIRE15SAVE15. You know how I'm a pro is I can still do these ad reads while Mike laughs at me.

[B]

Well, I'm laughing at you. I'm Laughing at the comments because they're pretty good.

[A]

What do they say?

[B]

There's things like Tyler looks like that one kid that wants to be big body fat. I see.

[A]

I'm sorry, you might need to pan that camera out, Louis.

[D]

Yeah, it's a little bit more.

[B]

Even though. Even though today's not their day, he's not obviously been taking his creatine because his brain his. Jumping up. Oh, my God, Louis. He's not that big. Don't worry about it.

[A]

And we go live Monday through Friday, 1pm Eastern Standard Time on YouTube. Facebook Annex. So if you haven't subscribed and you like our channel, please subscribe. We're actually having to kind of like redo the algorithm in the last year due to the kind of structure changes that we did. So people going and subscribing to our channel really helps the algorithm go. Okay, this is the type of person that likes this. So now we. They're. They're constantly trying to identify who would be a listener of our content.

[B]

Who the would want to watch this. That's what they're trying to say. Before we get to the top, I know we got some topics, but there's one that I don't have. What's the thing called at the bottom that you make?

[D]

A chiron.

[B]

I don't have time for a chiron. People have been talking about the story.

[A]

I made one in real time, dude.

[B]

You may make one in real time for this. You may just go with it. All right. There was a. There's a story out of Chicago, everybody. There's several people, if you can believe that. Share Screen It's a unfortunate story. As you can imagine. Chicago officers beaten and had his teeth knocked out in the McKinley Park. Chicago Police officer's family said he is lucky to be alive and he was attacked on Tuesday night in McKinley park neighborhood. Officer Kevin Magnon has been has a long road to recovery. Amanda Woman were in custody Wednesday night and the charges were pending against them. Magnan's family insisted he was targeted because he was a cop. Tuesday night at 37th in Marshfield, officers responded to a frantic 101 call for an officer in distress. Police say he needed medical attention after he was assaulted on the job. Kevin was writing a ticket and had a Brett and he had brass knuckles. So he was arrested with brass knuckles. He had. He had brass knuckles. I'm pretty sure brass knuckles are illegal in every state. So this dude was knocked unconscious, teeth knocked out while he was writing a ticket.

[A]

So.

[B]

So a couple people mentioned in the chat I Wanted to cover it. We do keep up on breaking news and, and these stories, when you guys want them, we'll give them to you. But that's another cop assaulted, doing his job. Family obviously dealing with all that in, in Chicago's bad enough as it is. And you know, mouth is rearranged.

[A]

Here's a conundrum. You have to act like everyone can kill you except you will not last acting like everyone is going to kill you. And I. Let me explain. These instances are happening in times where it's almost routine, right. Going to check up on a follow up a guy in a hospital and a gurney and an ER room writing as basic ticket. These are what I know the industry hates routine, but these are routine things that cops do. These are. Cops are getting attacked in these routine things. So in order to not have that happen, you have to act like everyone that you are around can and will kill you at any time. And then by doing that you, then you get complaints.

[D]

Yes, yes.

[B]

You're aggressive, you're mean.

[A]

You're not that guy.

[B]

Yeah. Why, why are you reaching? Why is your hands near your gun? Why, why are you standing like that, officer? Oh, I don't know. Because, you know, guy in Chicago got his teeth rearranged, knocked into the mouth at the top of his mouth while he was just taking a call. Another guy went to the ER to check on a guy that he just got done transported and he gets shot three times. But you know what? You have like, you have to, you should know that officer. Dude, you were trained. Shouldn't you know like who's going to kill you and who's not going to kill you? Shouldn't you be able to tell like why did you wait so long to pull your gun out? Why'd you pull out your gun so fast? Why did you stand that way? Why'd you talk to him like that? All those things are going on. It's. Until we get rid of those 110 million people, I don't know where we send them somewhere and we get some common sense in this country. It, it's, I'm gonna say it again. Cops would not be involved with anyone if they weren't breaking the law or doing some level of, of something. That's it. I mean all these calls, all these shooting, all these things, all these use of force, all they, they start with somebody breaking, breaking the law.

[A]

Dude, it's not even bro, Cops are being killed stopping, trying to help motorists. Remember that cop that was gunned down for just simply stopping and checking on Somebody on the side of the road.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

It's not even bad encounters anymore. Usually that's a good encounter. Someone's like, oh, I'm either, it's either I'm good, thank you so much or I do need help, thank you so much. But there's usually a thank you so much at a really life changing moment for somebody and law enforcement. That cop didn't have to stop. That cop stopped being genuinely to make sure you're okay. It's like, holy crap. And then they're killed for it. Listen guys, the a cop, you're a cop right now in 2026, it is a lottery system and when your number's pulled, it's pulled.

[B]

And I. Yeah, well, well, yes, but that's where vigilance, training, survival, that, that you're 100, right, you're 100, right. But then we can beat this. We could spend, we could be online the next year talking about the same thing. But then when you're hiring and targeting small females and insufficient males, people that shouldn't be doing the job, all the stuff we're preaching goes right out the window again because there's people that they're hiring that aren't even capable of doing the job. So it's just, you're right, it's, it's just a ugly, ugly vicious cycle. And I think unfortunately we're going to be covering a lot more stories that involve tragedy. It's going to be a very tragic, you know, world that we're going to live in when good. You know, these dudes are like good, hard brain dudes are getting killed and it's like, well that's getting worse and worse. The criminals are getting worse and worse. But let's bring in these people.

[A]

You can pull her out of your, out of your pocket.

[B]

Yeah, you can put her in the window. Dude, I, I can't talk. But the tick tock the cops, it's, it's the death of us. It's the death of us, you know.

[A]

Well, we got our next segment got Ryan Williams, the best looking man from the soft community.

[B]

What's up?

[E]

It's a small community. What's up guys? How are you?

[B]

Good.

[A]

How's it good man? Like I tell everybody, man, we're big on small businesses, they're fun, they're effective and you know, you like us, you own a handful of them have owned. Will probably own more. And so I like this segment. You know, a lot of dudes want to get into it. They hit me up all the time and they're terrified. And, you know, I give them the best advice I can, but, you know, you've got more experience in this arena coming from government work, which is totally different than free market. Totally different. You have to learn everything.

[E]

Yeah, it's a wild ride, dude. It's a. The transition is hard. I mean, people talk about it all the time. And I think, well, it's funny coming from the spec ops community too, because, like, I think you guys have heard that, that saying, like, you know, we eat our own. And. And it's true, bro. Like, there's. There's been so many little. What do you call it when little sayings that turn out to be true. Like, like when Mike and I were first starting forged clothing in 2007, everybody was happy for us. We're both getting out. And everybody was stoked for us, like, dude, this is so cool. We're happy to support whatever. And then we started to get a little bit of success. Like, it started to work. And then people were like, yeah, those guys, they're selling out. They're prostituting the Trident, all this. And I realized, it took me, it took me a couple years to realize it, but most people want you to be successful, just not more successful than them. And it's, it's rang true. And the more I talk about this in our show and with other people, it's not just our community and the seals, it's any kind of like spec ops unit or I would imagine same thing with like, SWAT unit or professional athletes or like anybody at the top of their game. I think what happens is they, and we see this too, when dudes get out of like a spec ops community or some, some high level community, like a professional athlete, they get out. And doctors and lawyers go through this as well. Anybody's achieved something at a high level, they think that that applies to everything else they'll do. You're a good CEO, you're a good doctor, you're good whatever. And like, oh, I'm good at everything. Then they get out into something new and they're not willing to be a new guy again. And that's really what it takes, is you got to understand that you might have some carryover with skills and capabilities and, you know, some assets and connections, but you're a new guy in a new realm. Like, we're new to the podcast realm. And I don't know. That's why when you're on our show, I'm like asking you about all this stuff because, like, you're way ahead of us. And. And I'm a new guy in that. In that realm, and I have to. But I've fallen on my face enough that I know, like, okay, I have to be willing to be a new guy again and realize I don't know and learn from people who are ahead of me and made mistakes and had successes and, like, okay, what's the fastest track there? Because it's so much less painful and less expensive to learn from other people's mistakes than to make your own. But of course, we're all dudes, so we're gonna, you know, make our own mistakes, and, well, that's different for that guy. I'm gonna do it my own way.

[C]

And then.

[E]

Yeah. Yeah. And then you realize you're also just. In a different way. Yeah, man. It's. It's a. It's tough, dude. It's. Entrepreneurship is by far the hardest thing I've. I've ever done. And it never ends, too. We're just like. We're dealing with, you know, today that's, you know, new to us, and we're like, all right, cool.

[A]

Well, new problem. I'll go ahead.

[B]

I was gonna say, isn't it, like, some you. I've been, like, off on one about what you said. Isn't it crazy how as men in. In these fields, we're conditioned to always tell each other how. I'm so proud of you do. I'm so grateful, so happy. So. And then when you find out, like, 1% of the people really meant it, like, they really met.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it. We're all, oh, dude, you got promoted. That guy, you know, they walk away. Like, that should have been me.

[E]

Yeah, Because I think it should have been.

[B]

Yes. And that's the. One of the biggest. Of all the things I've. I've come through in law enforcement 23 years, that is the one that really stings the most is because we are told, oh, everybody's going to care. Everybody's going to want to. Want to see you succeed.

[E]

And it's like they secretly want to. They secretly want to fall on your face.

[B]

They either want something free. They want you to succeed if you're like, hey, man, you. But I think even they would take the. They give back the free stuff just to watch you fall and then call you and go, hey, dude. Oh, man, I saw your company failed. Oh, that sucks, dude. And it's like, exactly.

[E]

And it took me.

[A]

It's just.

[E]

Sorry, go ahead.

[B]

It's crazy. No, I'm just saying it's. It's a sad Sad thing. In this alpha male, we're all a team. We're going to die for each other, but they really don't care.

[E]

Dude, it took me like 15 years to realize this. I only. I only learned this a couple years ago. Is that when they talk, it's because when you come from a community, that is some kind of achievement. Rather that's doctor, lawyer, swat, spec ops, whatever, there's some kind of achievement. So when you do something beyond that, they feel like it lessens their achievement. So they're. A lot of times they don't even know it. They can't even articulate in their own head why they're mad at you, but they're mad at you because you are chipping away at their own value of what they've accomplished. And it's. It's. Yeah, it's. It's. It's hard, dude. You got to figure out your friends and all stuff. These chats are funny. Yeah. Ryan, thoughts on. On selling custom molded dildos, we actually fulfill Chatterbait. I don't know if you guys know the. The brand Chatterbait or one of our clients. We actually have custom molded.

[B]

Get out of here.

[E]

Private label Chatterbait dildos that we fulfill.

[A]

Getting a tour of the warehouse. He's like, give him chatterbait.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. You can make money in anything, dude.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

You know, the team guy is the COO of that company.

[A]

Really? Yeah.

[B]

Great dude, man.

[A]

He.

[E]

He taught himself the code and then went out there and. Yeah. Just worked his way up. And now he's a COO of. I think they're like a 1.2 billion dollar company.

[B]

Of course they are. The transition, random porn is killing it.

[C]

Right?

[A]

The type of dude that would take to start a second career and learn from the bottom. I think it's a different type of person. Yeah. And they already achieved so much. If they're smart enough to go, I'm gonna go code, which means I'm either going to spend a lot of time on YouTube, I'm going to go to community college. But I've seen some things where some advice was given by really old men. And they said, stay in your lane. And they said, if you're going to venture out, they followed up with exactly what you said. You are at the bottom. You're at the bottom for a reason, because you don't know what you're doing. And I see all kinds of people come out of whatever industries we started with, and they're like, they're very upset that they're not Seeing the success rate that they had envisioned in their head. And I tell everything.

[E]

They deserve it.

[A]

Yeah, well. And it doesn't translate to anything else.

[B]

It doesn't.

[A]

Nothing translates to podcasting because everybody, if you're in any type of sphere where people are consuming your content or your products, whatever it is, they like you for what they have you as. So I've seen tons of short form content people, right. Go. Millions and millions of views, baby. I'm starting a podcast. What the is 18 views because they have you set that you're their short form guy. Ah, my tick tock guy. I don't want to watch you on a podcast. It's not that they're saying it, it's just that that's not what you are for them. So when athletes come and do podcasts or cops retire and start a podcast and they're like, I have so many damn stories and no one to listen to me. It doesn't always translate. You have to start from the bottom and treat it like a brand new thing.

[E]

Oh, exactly, man. I was looking at our numbers just this morning for YouTube and we're still super low. I think we just got like 10, 000 followers on there, but we've been doing it for just over a year and I was looking at it and our first months were so low. They, they don't even register on our, on our scale anymore. Like, they don't even register at all.

[A]

That loser on a graph.

[E]

Yeah, basically, yeah. Big L. Yeah, totally, dude. It's disheartening, man. I'm actually glad I didn't see that before because it would have been like, well, at the time the graph looked good because they make it a lot smaller, you know, but looking back, I was like, holy, dude. I'm glad. There's a lot to be said for just ignorance and just pushing forward and just doing it and, and not looking at it and be like, this is my vision. This is what I want to do. I'm having fun with it and I really, I really enjoy it and I think we're onto something and then, you know, give it a year and, and reevaluate then. Because most, most businesses take like

[B]

probably

[E]

about a year to take off. They're usually about a year and a half to three years before you can actually like make money off them. And that's, that's in any. But I mean, granted there's unicorns, there's. There's some businesses that do really well out of the gate, but all the businesses that I've Started have been very, very slow rolling. And it wasn't until like year three or four we could actually, you know, spin off enough money where we could, you know, pay the bills with it.

[A]

Obviously, everything dictating is different. Do you suggest somebody play it safe, start a business while they have security funds coming in for maybe a job and really, really lock down their business plan and their brand? Or do you think someone should have all of that ready to go and risk it for the biscuit?

[E]

I'm so glad you said that. Yeah. Because the sexy thing to say is like, burn the boats, go all in. And it sounds cool and it makes a good T shirt, but dude, I really don't like that advice because the problem is what people don't realize that, like I said, most businesses don't spend off enough money. And if you have, you know, a couple years of finances built up where you can do that, awesome, your business is definitely going to take off faster. But the problem is if you're also paying your bills with the business. This is what people don't understand, understand about growing a business, is that when your business is growing, it actually eats up all your money. It doesn't make you any money. So, yeah, it's weird, you know, and so when you're growing, especially like an apparel line or something like that, it eats up all your cash. So I, I'm always a big fan of keeping your day job running your side hustle as long as you can until you reach that apex point where you're like, shit, I don't have enough time in the day. And then you're, you're faced at that point, like, okay, will this business, if I spend the eight hours or whatever I'm spending on my day job on my side hustle, will it make up that. That amount of money? And I, I went through that. I was teaching at SQT as a civilian instructor for like 8 and a half years. Great job. Was making like, I'm including. We're. We're definitely milking the overtime. But I was thinking we were probably like 110 or something, which in San Diego is. I mean, it's as a single, dude.

[D]

It's.

[E]

You can live, but it's not like you're not like balling, but it's also. That's paying the bills, man. So I was like, dude, and I'm starting industry threadworks at the time. And it had grown, but it wasn't. I was going to the print shop in the morning and then going to work, then leaving work, and then Going home and doing emails and customer service and tech packs and all. And I was maxed out on my bandwidth, dude. And it got to the point where I was starting to not do a good job on my day job as an instructor, and I was too much of a pussy to jump, dude. I should have, looking back, I should have jumped like six months earlier that I built and sold three companies while I still had a day job. And that was the first company where I was like, dude, I think this could work, but I can't do both at the level that I need to do it. And I should have pulled the trigger and jumped six months earlier. I was just too much of a to do it. But once I did that, that extra time that I was able to spend on my. My side hustle made up. Made up the difference real quick. So it. But it is that Apex point because if I jumped a year too early, it. I don't. It might have fallen on its face because I wasn't making enough on that to pay the bills.

[A]

Yeah. And I, I think it's a young man's game to do that when you just. I don't know if you talk about that.

[E]

Yeah, it's different when you got like, real world responsibilities, mortgage, you got a

[A]

family, they are gonna eat that sandwich with you. And a lot of guys go, hey, man, when should I jump? And I talk about that Apex point that you just brought up. And I'm like, at some point it's, if you can't do both, you gotta pick one. One's job, one's a hobby. Right. Or. Or you got to go all in. But, you know, if you're an entrepreneur, a young man, single bedroom apartment, you really. As long as you can pay your bills, you're the only one eating that sandwich for to really grow. And I'm speaking from experience, watching my family, I suffer might be the. A harsh word, but feel the impacts of a slow season or a bad move financially within the business. It's hard. So I tell everybody at my age, I would not suggest it. I would not. I would do this if. If you're in your mid to late 30s and you're trying this and you've got a family, I would not suggest it.

[E]

Yeah, I was 36 when I. When I had that Apex point.

[A]

And.

[E]

But like I said, I was single or I just, I just met my wife, Disney, and we weren't married. We were just kind of hanging out and she still had her day job and everything too, so it was, it just worked out it was good timing for me, but looking back, it was like, yeah, I, I should have jumped earlier.

[B]

Did you think, like, one of the things you talked about, the mental, the mental health issue that's going to. Cause when you start at the bottom, you have to be ready to be all alone. Like, you're gonna have low numbers.

[A]

Low.

[B]

Yeah, low numbers. Low. Like Pocket. But you talk podcasts, it starts very slow, and you got to turn that noise off of like, oh, look at this guy with 8 views, 10 views. Like, it has to start somewhere. And I don't know that a lot of people are mentally ready to, to, to ride that wave or ride that low. Especially guys with that come from elite military units or come from policing where everything is. I'm a, I'm swat. I did all the cool stuff. And then it's like 11 people watch my episode, like, now what? And you have to weather that storm. Or in the business, you make a T shirt and it sells one. You know, one shirt, you're like, well, I thought this was going to do better. I don't like to think a lot of guys because of that get rich quick. Like, I know it's going to work. And kind of piggybacking what Tyler said, like, as a meme page, I, I, my memes can get, you know, 5 million views no problem. Right. My pod, you know, my video that somebody sees my dumbass talking doesn't. So it's like, it doesn't translate. You have to be ready to go. I'm at the bottom and I really have to stay here to not go nuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

And there are some tactics to it as well. I've noticed, because I, I nerd out on the data. We're big on data and numbers. And so when, like, there was a. Another Liberty Risk podcast and we started and they're a little bit ahead of us, I first noticed them. We're both around 500 followers and they're cool dudes. Actually met up with them in San Diego game some shirts just chatted about stuff and. But it was funny. They, they wanted to go like this

[A]

show your gun and your waistband. Like, we don't have a problem.

[E]

It was funny. They, they hit us up and they're like, hey, guys, love the show. We've done a couple episodes like, hey, love the show, but we've already. We have the name in here. And they, they thought they had the trademark. They just know how trademark trademarks work. And like, hey, we, we were, you know, hoping you guys change your name. Like, well, that's not happening. But I didn't want to tell him, too. I've had the trademark on liberty risk for 14 years. You know, I just didn't do anything with it. But I didn't want to tell him that because I didn't want to be a dick about it. But. But what ended up. The important part about that is that we ended up growing past them quite a bit. I think they're maybe like six or seven hundred followers now, like a year later. And they've been doing it for like six years. And some of these other podcasts are. They've got great content, like Paul from Transition Transition Drill. Great, great show. I was on his show. We've had. He's had some of the other guys, some of our guests on. Great, dude. It's a really good show, but he's not a very big show. And I think there's a couple tactics that if somebody is interested in getting out there in this type of thing, dude, paid ads is the way to go. I think we touched on that last week a little bit, but, dude, yeah, nothing moves these days without paid ads, no matter how good the content is. Because you can get it in front of people, but there's no incentive for them to actually, like, follow you or they'll be entertained. But they're like, ah, fuck off. Thanks for entertaining me for 30 seconds. And then they're done. They never think about you. So these paid ads, kind of the algorithm works and it does get you in front of these people and the right people. It's just. It takes money to grow it. Like, I think we're like 80 grand into all the things we're doing with our stuff. Now, granted, probably only 15 or 18 of that is ads. Most of it is just apparel, like, funding all the product and stuff. You know how the peril stuff is, man. It's just expensive to get all the. All the inventory. But, yeah, there's definitely some moves that you can make to move the needle faster.

[A]

Sure, yeah. How long do you suggest giving paid ads to work?

[C]

Well, the.

[E]

The way that we do it is, like, the specific tactics of it. If I have something below 90 seconds, I'll boost it. Don't boost it on your phone, though, because then Apple will take 30%. So sign in on your computer.

[A]

I learned that the hard way two weeks ago.

[D]

Right.

[E]

And then we just boost that. I. I do it for 10 bucks a day for three days. See how it goes. If the shares are good, like, if it's above, like 50 shares. And I just keep Going until the share rate kind of levels out. Then I stop, I stop putting money into it and by that time we've usually launched something else. So it's going as well. So I always have a couple of these things going and that's the primary reason we're able to get usually a couple hundred new followers every day. We also started doing this thing called manychat which so every new follower, it will shoot them a DM in like five minutes. That gives them commercial for that.

[A]

The irony, they had to pay to have a commercial to tell you about this show you. That you have to pay to get out there. It's, it's not.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. So we try that and we offer a couple things. We offer like our, our Patreon, our website, sorry, the merch. And then also our YouTube. Just the main channels that we have that actually make a little bit of money and that hasn't been working. But also it's like we've only got a couple hundred people on there and the ratio is super low. So you're only going to get maybe a small percentage of people that are going to click on that and then a smaller percentage on that. So if we get a thousand people, we'll probably get maybe 20, 25 sales, something like that. But anyway, I'll let you know if it works. We're just trying it out right now. We just got to try a bunch of. And see what works.

[A]

Yeah. All right, man, I've taken up. I know you got a meeting. Everybody check out Ryan Liberty Risk on Instagram or Liberty Underscore Wrist and then the Liberty Risk podcast on YouTube. It's a good time I was on there. It, like I said, it's a, it's a, that's a show for the boys for sure.

[E]

Yeah, we just had a, we just had a cop on our show today actually, we launched TJ Webb. He's got his own show, Catalyst Change. Yeah, Catalyst Change podcast. But his, his 19 year cop got shot six times. Super funny. We were talking about. He got, he got the nickname like stripper cop for a while from like some call he went on and then like it got in the newspapers. He was mistaken. They mistook him for a stripper. And all these Russian chicks live that down. Yeah, he had to go out and point to his patrol car like, no, I'm a real cop. Yeah, it's just funny stories, man.

[A]

All right, well next week, man, hopefully if you're not busy, you can jump on again. Dude, we love having you. We love talking this. I Could talk this stuff all day.

[E]

Yeah brother. I love your show. Thanks for having me.

[A]

All right man.

[E]

See you guys.

[A]

What's up next? We got a couple of them that we've had a couple articles. We haven't been the. The rested on his own property. I really want to get to that one. You've been edging me on that because I'm gonna.

[B]

I'm gonna bail on you soon.

[A]

Are we ending up. We're ending a little early huh? No, no good.

[B]

Like 20 more minutes. Let me get to this one. About to speed. I have to kind of breeze through it because it's another guy's YouTube channel but he's a lawyer and he does

[A]

some really good cop was arrested on his own property or the man was arrested.

[B]

The man. You'll see. Let me get it up. Share screen. So long story short before I this is the complainant. What what this story is is they're in rural Tennessee in the middle of nowhere and these two guys had beef about property line years ago. They go back and forth, back and forth and I'll let this kind of unfold. I'll try to skip through when the dude narrates it because it'll be here forever. But this is essentially all for service.

[D]

He can't stay off me and I've asked him to stay off me. So I'll come out here and was

[C]

just going to put up a fence.

[D]

I've not said anything to him. And he come out there and stood behind that van.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Y. I assume he shot up in the air.

[B]

He didn't see them but he assumes bullets were fired into the air. The cops go on Tuesday.

[D]

Okay so here.

[B]

So this is. That's the context of the call. This guy and him. These two guys get an argument. He says I assume he shot into there. These are massive 5 acre plots in Tennessee. This is not the city atmosphere. These dudes can shoot their guns on their property. They can do whatever they want. The keyword. Keywords here are he assumes he shot into the air. He has no evidence. He's just. It's not factual. It's just. What are you going to tell the cops? I probably fired in the ground or he did or you're going to pep it up a little bit. You don't like the guy. So he assume. Assumes he shot into there. Then we'll see the interaction with old old country Bob here.

[A]

Is that a man or a woman?

[D]

What's a woman?

[C]

Whenever a minute ago all my chickens was underneath my van once again. So I dropped Two shots in the ground to scare them all back to their coop. But it wasn't in the air. There was two shots fired and it was in the ground. It clears them out fast.

[B]

They demand to see his id.

[C]

My fourth amendment.

[B]

They asked for his ID and he says no. He's on his own property. I didn't commit. I haven't done anything before this. I skipped over it. They de. Armed him too. He had a gun on him. He has carried. Carried his gun on his own property.

[A]

They disarmed voluntarily. Like, was that an issue with him or did he.

[B]

Yes. He said no. He said, do not touch my gun. The guy reaches in there, grabs his gun anyway, and now they. Now they want his ID and he says, I'm gonna invoke my fourth amendment. You have no crime. So let's see how it unfolds.

[C]

Okay. Put aside when. Okay.

[B]

And they arrest him for failing to id.

[A]

He probably destroyed them in a lawsuit.

[B]

Yeah, I want to get back to video because it gets. So here's kind of like Heather. More initial contact. So you'll get to see kind of what happens there. Emerton, this is sergeant Meyer. She's gonna be one dealing with you. Anytime we deal with a call that has to do with a gun, I won't take it off your side. Okay?

[C]

No, you're. That's. I mean, if that's what you're going to do, then I'm saying it's not. Okay. As far as I'm concerned.

[B]

The officer ignores him. He places his hand.

[A]

Oh, my God. Destroy them.

[E]

Okay, look.

[B]

Now look. Think officer safety. Think officer safety. Right in this position. You have his gun in your hand.

[A]

Your gun in your gun hand. Yeah.

[B]

And now if you get in a fight, this gun is not in a holster. It's in his holster. I would rather you think about it. Would you rather. I'd rather just leave it on your hip, dude, if you reach for it, if you want your hand goes holster. I'm gonna shoot you like it's gonna be. But they're already. Demeanor wise. Look at how this guy's calm. No, I would not.

[A]

If I had to go on somebody's property and I know they had a gun, I would always tell people and supervisors included, do you want me to go make contact with this person? I have no lawful authority to. I know you want me to get some information, but they're known to be armed on their. On their property. Is it worth the. The confrontation? Is it worth me meeting them in person or as opposed to known person to Have a firearm on their own property. Write it up like it's.

[B]

Again, we have. We have no allegation of a crime yet either. You got a guy who says he probably shot the gun in the air. And then this guy. We already saw what he says, but that's all they have. And this is a property dispute amongst. You're in the middle of nowhere. This isn't the middle of the city. So let's. We got a call about someone firing

[C]

shots up in the air. Okay?

[B]

So that's why so many of us coming out. Zebulon responded that there's no standing on this man's property holding him. I'm not. But it's just an officer safety thing. As soon as we figure this out, if there's nothing wrong,

[D]

everybody walking around with it. Yeah. The female deputy then asked things.

[C]

Was congregated underneath my van once again. So I dropped two shots in the ground to scare them all back to their coop. But it wasn't in the air. There was two shots fired and it was in the ground.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

It clears them out fast. It's not the first time I've done it. I understand that

[D]

illustration about why you should not talk. Wants to protect.

[C]

I'm not gonna fight you. I'm not gonna resist, but I'm not gonna id. I've done. I've done no crime. Listen, listen, Listen to me. But I'm just telling you,

[B]

listen, we

[C]

don't want to arrest you, okay?

[B]

Well, you don't want to ID me

[C]

either, because I ain't committed no crime.

[B]

We have a right to ID you because we had a call for service out here. I'll pause it right there. This is my Sean Paul Reyes argument. This dude, if you look at that. If I told you that guy with the hat on with the beard was the smartest guy at this scene. You may believe it if you don't like cops, but let's take her. If she wasn't in the picture, let's say you just. There's a bunch of cops standing around. And I told you, the guy in the hat. This country redneck knows the constitution better than five or six cops. Now we've seen in the frame. You would be like, there's no way. He is absolutely right when he says, if I have not committed a crime, you cannot detain me and you cannot take my I.D. there's no crime. And he even says it. This dude talking with his gun already in his hand, doesn't say, yeah, there was a crime. He says, well, we have to ID You. There's a call for service that is false. That goes with trespassing. Cops don't understand trespassing. Cops don't understand detention. Sean Paul Reyes highlights this every single day in his episodes that just because somebody calls the cops on you doesn't mean you have to give up your ID and identify yourself. This dude is cutting his grass on his own property and his chickens are in the way. So on five acres of land, he fires two shots to get the chickens back into his coop. That's all he did. He doesn't have to ID himself. You fired shots off.

[C]

I didn't say that. I. She asked if I fired him in the air, so it doesn't matter if I fired Charles.

[B]

So we get a gun call. You see what I'm saying? We get a gun call.

[C]

What am I arrested for? Now you're detained. Okay, well, if I'm getting arrested right

[B]

now, we're trying to give you. Right now, we're trying to give you a chance.

[C]

Chance to tell yours

[A]

you're detained because of a 911 call. That is beautiful. No, no, here's the thing. And if anybody wants to know real quick, I'll give a 10. Second thing, a crime happens. Five foot seven, black male, white T shirt, blue jeans, walking down the road. If I show up on scene and reasonably in a time frame, I could say that matches the description and that guy is reasonably in the area on foot, I can detain him. Yeah, with. Because of all of those things, someone is saying a crime occurred. Right? Burglary, robbery occurred.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay, so we have that. This 911 thing. I don't know who dropped the ball, the dispatcher, the responding deputies, but there's no crime. I haven't already talked to him.

[B]

They're dropping the ball. They talk to him, he says, I assume he shot in the air. Without the assuming, which is still not a crime. It does. I. I assume he killed 11 people. Are you gonna go do a search warrant on his house? I assume he the three shots he shot down on the ground, he killed all his family or he killed three people. Doesn't matter what you assume. The facts are he fired his gun. He gave when he told you. Sir, I did fire my gun. It was in the ground on my own property, on five acres. It was in the ground to get my chickens done. This should have been over right there. All right, ma', am, have a good day.

[D]

But you're not IDing.

[C]

That's why I'm not refusing to ID. But until you give me a Lawful reason as to why I have to id. Okay. Because we gotta call for service.

[B]

We gotta call for service. It doesn't matter.

[C]

This is not a lawful reason to id Sir.

[B]

It is.

[C]

No, it ain't. Because anybody could call and make anything up if I hadn't shot those.

[D]

Fired those shots and he called it

[C]

up and lied to y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

We still go get his ID too in the ground instead of you shooting at them. Oh, isn't. But that's. Burden of proof is on them. It's not Bardon approved for me to prove I'm innocent, is it? That's why we're at. I'm just making a statement. It's not. You got cameras on your eyeglasses too? No, no. They just saw the little circles and I didn't know if it was. Those are blenders.

[D]

He expresses that he wants to protect his Fourth amendment rights. There are three.

[C]

The reason I'm not really wanting to hear. I really do want to really not. Are you going to arrest me for. Not for failure to ID because that's a secondary charge. You got to have a crime first and I have not committed any crime.

[B]

How do we know this was a detention?

[A]

This is why people hate cops, man. This is why people hate cops.

[B]

Look at this.

[A]

It's like this. Yeah.

[C]

Am I free to go? Not right now.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. What crime are you detaining?

[B]

So I want you to put this into perspective. I want you to put this in the perspective. This is where I'm going to go off the rails. I want you to put this in perspective where Dominic's argument and we get all the heat for saying cops, you know, people should be able to defend themselves. This man moved to rural Tennessee to live his life. He bought five acres of property. You shoot guns, you cut grass, you kill animals, you do all those things you want to do. You are on your property. A neighbor who has a five year issue with you that the cops already know they have this beef calls the police and says, I think he might have. He could have. I assume he might have done something. The cops go on this man's land. This is where even Ryan makes a little sense. This dude owns his land. This is his place of. He lives there. It's his castle. They go on his property, they detain him, they unarm him. They're ordering him to ID himself. He is smarter than all of them combined and they have no idea what the law is. How frustrating. If this dude decides to punch one of these dudes, he's going to go to prison for the rest of them for 10 years for battery. Elliot, this guy has done nothing wrong. Zero. Not one thing wrong. Doesn't have to ID himself. Doesn't. Where's. Where. Where's his justice Is. Is. My point is like it's really bad, man. This is a really bad one.

[A]

I want to ask you a question. Well, so I'll make a statement first and then ask. Law enforcement does have the right if I went to that call first off, you know me. I'm gonna go. Have a good day, lady. Karen, I'm not going. That's. There's no crime. You've. I've been here 27 times. Go yourself. Right, but let's just say you. There's something else alleged that you want. Okay, let me go ask. Like he took a dump on my lawn. All right, let me go ask him. You have every right to go to a point where you see no trespassing and it's blocked off. If it's blocked off, that is a thing saying I do not welcome the public. That is the mailman. That's Amazon. That's. That's the neighborhood kids. That's everybody. You are telling people you are not allowed past this point because it's not an invitation to the public anymore. So you can go to that point. At what point do you think Mike, and there might be statute on this. I'm not sure. No, you don't have a warrant, obviously and you don't really have to investigate anything. I guess it's like as a road deputy, how far would you take that before you go? There's no trust. I'm not going to hop a gate and then walk 500 yards.

[B]

I wouldn't hop the gate anyway. Unless like. So here's, here's in my head. My next question to the guy would be. Would be at very beginning with why do you assume he shot in the air? Well, I don't know. Well, you got. I would say, sir, you live on five acres. He lives on five acres. No Slater. There's no houses within 100 yards. These are five acre tracks. Massive plots of property. Property. So I'm not going to go based on an assumption unless you tell me he shot at you or he came over here and threatened you with a gun. I would have said, hey, man. I would have said, hey, guys. You guys got a beef? We've been here before. It's obvious. These guys, if you listen to all the way back to beginning they've had a history of arguing over a fence line and a property Line. They don't like each other. I would say no, but then if the guy says, well, I really want you to come. Okay, you know what? I'll go try to contact him. Hey, man, so and so, yeah, I shot the gun in the ground because of chickens. All right, man, just keep. Stay away from your neighbor. You guys keep the peace. Don't you know. Don't you got the whole standard thing we do when we leave a call? You be cool, I'll be cool. I'll go to Chipotle. You don't ever see me again, whatever it may be. That should be the. The length of this call. Go write a report. I would definitely write a report and go. Hey, Johnny Smith from behind the house said he thought. He assumed he shot in the air. I talked to Bill Bob, Jim Bob over here. He says he shot in the ground for his chickens. The distance from the houses, blah, blah, blah. There's no crime. There's no crime whatsoever. So that's. That's how this should be going right now. Oh, that's not the view.

[A]

That's not the view or the view.

[B]

How do I fix it? Is that the view we want? All right, let me go back.

[A]

Let's keep walking.

[B]

Investigate.

[C]

Okay, should we move off of my property? Because y' all are currently trespassing and I'm resenting any. No, we're not. Again, okay, I'm just receiving any invite or any type of. Y'. All. Y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Y' all are. Y' all are on here because of y' all and yalls lawful orders, not because of being invited and not because this is casual.

[B]

Therefore there's not going to be much

[C]

something that is a secondary offense when you actually have no original crime. Then that's just something I'm going to have to fight in court. And that what you always say, no roadside court. Just do it after the fact. And if I have to sue the county, then I sue the county. No big deal. We have to. We have to see who. Who we're messing with. We have to run their IDs.

[B]

Here we go. I'm one more soapbox, and then I'll just. We'll get to the end of this thing. We have to see who we're messing with. This dude lives on the property. You know who he is?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Call dispatch. There's been calls before. This is incompetence at its highest level. I don't know if the. I don't think they're tyrannical agents of the government. They're morons. And they have. Even though it's Po Dump, Tennessee, they have the ability, just like my Kristen Moon video that I put out where she held a woman for 20 minutes yelling and screaming about getting her ID and all that made her get pictures of it. All they have to do is go to their car and go, chad, dumb Crocodile Dundee lives here. Look him up, get his information. You know who you're dealing with. You knew who you were dealing with at first because the guy that over there said, my neighbor, dumbass. They know who they're talking to. I think one, they don't have no idea how to get how to wrap this call up. And they're so stupid because, I mean,

[A]

wherever you got to be worried about saving face. And I think that's what they're worried about. They're like, they're all individually thinking, oh, instead of going. Instead of a leader going, crew meeting. Come here.

[B]

Yeah, there's going to be a crew meeting because I think the actual sheriff shows up and still makes a bad decision. So let's. Let's keep going.

[C]

See you.

[B]

Who, who you are, you say you are.

[C]

Just because somebody gave you a call to service doesn't mean I have to surrender my fourth amendment right. It does not. It does not.

[A]

Right.

[C]

No, no. Right now, this is an investigation. You can investigate if he has proof

[D]

that I shots fired.

[C]

Matter of fact, you didn't even say shots fired at him. You said shots fired at him. You said, how in the world do we know since you said they were shots fired, that you didn't shoot them at him? She didn't even say shot at him. She said shot in the air. Shot at him would come up on your part. You said that you shot in the ground. How do we know if you shot in the ground or shot up in the air? Because they called in, said you shot up in the air. How do we know if you shooting? Well, then they need proof or else they're falling. They're falling. Are you going to enter? Either they are 5 filing false allegations or your investigation will prove otherwise. But until you have the proof, the burden of proof is not on me to prove that I didn't shoot near. Now I'm sitting here telling you I'm not a so I didn't shoot in the air. Okay, we're not saying you're more on but no, anybody that does is though we either need an ID or name

[A]

it names behind your back. Imagine being able to build an app with your name.

[B]

Watch the hand. Tough job. It's still. It's Even It's. It's perfect. 30 by 30. Anyway, here.

[D]

The officers gave the commonly used justification that, well, we received a call, so we need your id.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

Dude, it's still a show. Even the handcuffing. Well, here's back to this.

[D]

Now, this is the first time I've been out in the.

[C]

So you.

[B]

You was out here in the driveway?

[A]

Yeah, driving. Driving tapes.

[C]

I stayed right there where the property

[D]

line went back, but I don't.

[C]

To be honest.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know that he shot back here.

[C]

I'd say he shot in the air, but still.

[B]

But there's no evidence. All right, so let's go back here. Here, look at this handcuff job.

[C]

And what about being arrested for right now?

[A]

I figured. I identified secondary offense.

[C]

You need an original charge. There's no disorderly conduct on private property.

[B]

They're gonna. They're getting. For disorderly conduct on his own property. That's what Jesus told me. Dude.

[A]

I'm telling you what, man. The guy that looks like that. Don't. With. He's been. When you grow your hair out like that and you wear a ball cap outside and you have that beard, that guy. I'm not saying he's anything wrong, but he's on his last. Someone said it in the comments. That man is on. He's been with so much that even buying this property probably pissed him off for the taxes that he had to pay. But he finally did it, and he's left alone. And then here comes the government up

[C]

and you don't have proof that it did. Right. Together. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

You are being disordered.

[D]

When you're not.

[C]

No, I'm not.

[B]

When you're not doing what we're asking.

[C]

No, that's not.

[E]

Disorderly.

[C]

Disorderly. Can you even be the complaint in the disorderly, or do you have to have somebody else?

[A]

You absolutely can.

[C]

Okay. All right.

[A]

Do you have anything else on you, sir?

[C]

Yes, I got a magazine. Okay. In this pocket right here. All right. Or. I'm not giving you permission to take any of my belongings in custody right now. Okay? I'm just letting you arrest. That's. That's a false arrest.

[A]

All right?

[B]

So that's the gist of it. I think you guys should all.

[A]

That's a false arrest. He's. And he's totally cool right now.

[B]

He's literally going. All right, I'll. If you guys want to look at that, you know, go back and look at the video and see who that page. That guy's a lawyer. That's Talking the whole time. This one really upsets me because like you and I both talk about, we work were for the people, right? We're employed by a government agency. But I still stand on the business that I worked for the people. This is the people. This is the guy. Matter of fact, this is the guy I'd rather be friends with than all those cops. This dude is a regular old country dude. Probably loves his country like you said. Loves his country but doesn't like his government because he doesn't want to be stepped on. He moves in the middle of nowhere, he can shoot guns, he can raise chickens, he can cut his grass. And he gets arrested for failure to identify himself on his own property. And they try to stretch disorderly conduct on his own property. He's been nothing but cooperative. He knows the law better than those cops. And this is where Dominic Izzo is, right? Is as a law abiding American, constitutional abiding person that's doing everything right, does he have to allow the government to unlawfully arrest him? I guess the answer is yes. Sorry, people, the constitution does not help you. You're not. The constitution doesn't apply. You have to submit to a. To arrest by the government who is 100 wrong, and then go to court. You have no way around that. Is that.

[A]

Here's what I'll say, and I know you got to go, so I'll wrap it up.

[B]

No, you're good.

[A]

We see all these lawsuits from families of quote unquote victims. People that are justifiably shot or forced used on them by law enforcement. They're getting paid out millions. This is one of those lawsuits that I would back 100. This is what lawsuits are for, is this gentleman. This gentleman deserves a lawsuit. It was human error in the government world. This gentleman deserves to be paid out for having his rights violated. And the dangerous and tricky thing about all of this is that. Mike, what happens when this happens again? Yeah, it's not gonna shoot him up. No, we're gonna have another Ruby Ridge because now the government can't back down. So you've got a cop playing on a tree with a. And I'm gonna profile this guy with a, with a. With a gunshot to the leg. This guy doesn't want to kill anybody, but he's standing his ground, Right? And a guy like this guy, I shouldn't say this guy, that's pretty shitty to say. But you got a cop laying next to a tree, you got a guy saying, I wish to take no further action, come get your officer and Leave me alone. The government is not going to back down at that point. We've seen that Ruby Ridge, Waco, they how they now have to show where the government. We can't let an ant push us around. They're the grasshopper from a bug's life. If people start doing this, we look bad. And that's how. And it all started because the government up.

[B]

Yep. And this should this. And like you just said, we see all the, all the kids that pull guns on cops and end up getting shot, pull water guns that are, that are real guns, get shot, pull out all these, all the. In the hood we see all these people Ben Crump's running all over to defend these people that resisted arrest, had guns, committed crime, all these things. This one's not fancy. This one's not going to be catchy on the media. I, I stumbled upon this one. This isn't one you're going to find anywhere. I stumbled upon this on a reel, very low key. And you watch it. It's boring, right? There's not much to it, there's not much action. So it's not catchy. This is the worst violation of someone rights I can, I can remember seeing. This is 100, no force necessary. This is a violation of someone's constitution and civil rights beyond all the ones that involve shootings, car chases, upside down cars, pit maneuvers, use of force, chokeholds. George Floyd. This is all worse because this dude is not doing anything wrong but living his life on his farm, minding his business and the government came on his property and arrested him. And this is, this is why Sean Paul Reyes has a place. Because if they don't understand the basics of trespassing and detention, they can't protect the constitution, they can't enforce the constitution. This was applied completely garbage. And I feel, I feel bad for this guy, man. I look at this guy like, I feel bad for him, man. And he was the small, he's intelligent, super intelligent dude, very knowledgeable in the law and the constitution. He knows.

[A]

I would hope that somebody, even if it's not the sheriff, if the governor or, or a local politician came and befriended this guy and said, listen dude, you were done dirty, you deserve your lawsuit. It will not be fought by my office. And I want you to know that this does not represent your, your governing authority.

[B]

Unfortunately, if you watch the video further, I believe the sheriff shows up and attaboys everybody and advocates for the arrest and off he goes. So as my buddy, as my buddy Christian used to say, it is what it is. Man. And. And you can't. You can't praise cops and you can't go crazy for cops when they do stuff like this. We will stick up for the guys who deserve it. The Magnanos, the. The Brunos and Eldradis and all these guys that we're supporting. Right. Being screwed. But when you do something like this, this is absolutely has to be addressed. And that's a sheriff's office, that's a group, that's a whole agency that's got it all wrong. So unfortunate.

[A]

All right, guys, that's it for today. We will. We will see you Monday, 1pm Eastern Standard Time on YouTube. Please make sure you're subscribed to our channel. And I will be rolling over to the Counterculture, Inc. Network on YouTube to do open mic to talk industry. Probably talk about Mike, because he's not gonna be there. He's going to baseball.

[B]

Let's go, Mets.

[A]

All right, we'll see you guys Monday.

[B]

Jv team for life.