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B
Good morning, Tyler.
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A
So I think yesterday at night there was A deputy that was slain in the line of duty. That's gaining a lot of coverage, right?
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B
No, it was during the day yesterday. It was a. I've been sent a bunch of videos. It was an eviction.
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A
Oh, he was pronounced dead at 11:59.
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B
Yes, but it was. It was an eviction. Another eviction case in California where a detective was killed and then they ultimately killed the shooter.
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A
Yeah, I saw. I saw during the press conference, the sheriff, which. There's a lot of clips of him talking. He's. He seems like a no nonsense, you know, Grady Judd type sheriff. And, you know, he. He was. Soon as the cameras went live, he got a phone call and he answered it and he said, you know, hey, I'm live on the news. And it was his second in command, his chief deputy, or deputy chief, whatever they call it, and informing him that they just killed the bad guy. And then he hung up and was like, I can't tell you what I was just told to me. And then he started going into it and then he came back and did a press conference where they advised that they. They killed the shipbag with a Bearcat, which is awesome.
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B
Yeah. And this is gonna be an episode. I'm. I'm pretty wound up about this chain of events over the last few days with cops and. And the thin blue line, the brotherhood. We always joke about immediately making decisions based on short videos because even there, you know, there's people pushing back about them running him over with a bearcat is. Oh, it's an armored vehicle. Like, he can't do anything. He can't shoot them. As a. That there are certain calls, certain times. Unless you like, even like a school shooter. The school shooter still got a gun around him. He's dead. The only scenario in a school shooter lives is like, he does all the bad stuff and throws a gun out the window. And then he's like. And even then, I think he was reaching for it. Right.
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We're all.
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B
We're all. That's the joke side. Like that you would still obviously can't. But this dude with a rifle, actively shooting. I don't give a. If we're in a tank. You haven't given up. The entire public's in danger. All the citizens are in danger. Everybody in the neighborhood's in danger. Run that over. And that sounds like what they did. And I am 100 behind that type of policing. Like, you don't get. So. Oh, he's. And it kind of transitioned into the one we'll talk about second, which has been Crazy online with the bat. But I get we're not judged, executioner and jury all at the scene, but there are times when you have to kill people by any means necessary. Yeah, some are good, some are bad, some have many circumstances to consider and some are like, I killed a detective. Okay, sorry, you shouldn't have been. You shouldn't still have the gun in your hand. Should have done it anyway, so. But you're seeing such a contrast, man and guy. I think guys are so narrow minded and I think Cops are becoming CNN, dude. Cops are seeing 15 second video clips or little clips and they're just murdering their co workers. Which is exactly what I'm saying. We're dead. We're just cooking everybody. Because here's the thing. If I. You went through some you wanted, you know, you got. You had to hold on to your side of the story. I've had to hold on to my side of the story for years before I left the job. We were convicted on certain things without any of our own terms. Where's. Where's a dude's opportunity? Like we don't get an opportunity to say like what we saw, smell, felt, that's the entire job is what I perceived and felt and dealt with at that exact moment and what happened before, during and leading up to it. And no, no. And it's Instagram. Dominic's right. Instagram's a bunch of morons in the comment sections with no accountability. And they just say that. But they say the wild thing. But they're cops. So what is
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meme Pages, dude? I mean, I like the guys. I do like the guys. A lot of those dudes are good dudes and they, they use humor and most of the time they do. What meme pages should be doing is making us laugh because the ridiculousness of the job. But we've talked about this an extent. What You've got to put a face to your opinion, dude. You want to start critiquing cops? You want to start arguing in the comments? My opinion is. My opinion is you got to show your face, make another profile. That is not so you don't associate yourself with the memes if you want and, and stand on ten toes, dude.
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Like Tyler, though, man, my, you know, my admin will be really upset with me, man.
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I'm not scared to pull the trigger. I'm scared of getting in trouble.
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I'm not scared, man. But you know, I got a job and I need my, my truck payments, dude. Dog, you know, I'm real serious about it, bro. But man, I got to do what's right for me, man. It just, it, it, you're right. I mean, it's not right. And you and people get on me for saying the job is dead or like I'm a bad guy. I'm not cool for cops. I'm, I, I talk to the dude like Dominic and I talked to the dude that's involved in this. Like, I care a lot. I care about Sal, like beat a dead horse. I will go to war for you. That's what the hat's about. Not a real war. Not gonna go to Iran, but I will go to war for you. If you need me, I am. I'm ride or die. But what we're seeing is guys aren't ride or die in their own profession. How can we get out in the public and change that perception or have each other's back? And there's times cops, they got to go, dude, they did dumb. But we cook kill ourselves in the comment sections and make decisions. That video that came out of the guy in, in Jersey is 17, 16, 17 seconds. An entire police world convicted this dude immediately. Yeah, and I'm gonna get, I got a lot of other topics. We'll go, we'll talk about the Cali one and then what we want, you know, go from there. But it's unfortunate what I'm seeing. And you're right, I'm a mean page. I really stay out of this stuff. On Copville, you see what I, I collab. The antihero reels. You will rarely see me talk tactics and seriousness on Cockfield. That is its own brand and that's where I keep it. Then I put my real name in my bio. I put this show in the bio. You want to talk for real? There's who I really am, and here's where you can find me. Memes, funny jokes, not real serious tactics, but over here, something different. And that's where if you're not willing to do that, man, I don't even think you got to seat the table.
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A
And we look at things like Dallas 2016, I believe the guy that murdered five Dallas police officers, was it 2016?
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B
I don't remember the year, but I remember the incident very well.
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They killed him with a robot, dude. They're like, at some point, at some point, there's no more messing around. You deserve a die a dog's death. And just like, you know, Trump said about the, the Al Qaeda leader, I think it was, you know, he died like a dog. Like, you're gonna die like a dog. You know, there's no more honor and, and doing what you did. And I have a, I have a, A real. Here. It's. It's pretty. Not to get super homo on everybody, but it really encapsulates already what happened. You know, there's a Bearcat with a bullet in the windshield. I don't know enough to know if that's a hundred percent from this call, but very rarely is a police agency going to roll around with a bullet hole in a Bear Cat.
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Our SWAT van had taken around and it was very low in the windshield. They put a flag behind it and they left it. So it's possible.
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Okay, yeah, so it is possible. But that being said, there's a Bearcat with a bullet hole in the windshield. Possible. That should. Right there. That's a testament and a. That's a testament and a. A Look at this job. The Bearcats got a bowl hole in the windshield. Oh, who needs Bearcats? Maybe the people driving a Bearcat with a bullet hole in the vehicle. And then there's. There's a picture of what looks like a. A team guy after it's all done. And when somebody of that caliber. When I say caliber, when somebody loses their life as a cop, that, that, I mean, that guy looked like he had some years on the job, especially in the job he was doing. It's safe to say he's been there for a minute. It stretches everywhere in the agency. It's not just SWAT guys responding to a cop that was down who nobody knew. And it, you know, it. The impact is, you know, you're. You're in the academy together, right? One guy goes investigations. The other guy goes operations, canine motors, swat. The other guy goes in, you know, and they don't. And they might not big ages. They might not see each other for a long time, maybe never see each other, but they, they knew each other when they were young cops.
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And so I'm gonna say, before you go, I hate that I know what you're talking about, because this is. That the example you just gave is what Myself and Terry Sweeting, 23 years under. Just under together, zone partners away. Five years, nothing. I still walk outside because on the side of every patrol car is her memorial ribbon. And I look at that when I go past my. My wife's car every time I go to the mailbox and I look at that and it's like. It's like a sister. And, you know, I'm not being silly. A sister, a family member. You're like, how the. Is she dead? How did she get murdered? Like, I know this person. Just like I knew my mom. Like, I knew my brother. Like, I knew brother, sister, anybody else. It really is. It's the most surreal, like, sickening thing to think, man. All the times we laughed.
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I got.
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There's an old wedding picture from one of the Zone guys getting married back when we were all friends, all of us there. And it's like this person that I knew for half my life just about is dead by a homicide. She was murdered on duty. And it's like. It's deep, dude. And I don't like to talk about it because it's not about me. It's about her and her family. I don't really. I'm not here to get sympathy, but I can attest to the fact that that stings, dude. That hurts. And it. Every time I see that, I'm like, dude, like her kid or Hunt, like all that stuff, dude. It's hard, man. It's a really shitty situation.
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But here's a real. That I saw this morning that, you know, like I said, it's pretty encapsulating of the incident.
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It's fresh.
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What's up.
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It.
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So pretty emotional stuff. Yeah, Mike's probably crying like a.
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It's just guys have. You know, the deputy, she kills a Navy vet. Like another vet. Like a guy. Family and eviction, man, same thing. An eviction. And. And it sound. People say just an eviction. And I know Squealer and I talked about just an eviction. That is the word, the civil process. And people don't obviously. What do civil processes include? That includes eviction, domestic violence injunctions, child removals, protection orders. Like, you're. These guys are being told, hey, you're out of your house. Like, we have no idea where. We don't care where you're going to go. Unfortunately, that's the nature of it. Once you're evicted, hey, I don't know where you're going, and it's not really my problem. Sorry, but you have to go. Or, hey, your wife filed injunction and you can't see your kids anymore. Or, hey, your wife just filed for divorce. Those civil things sound so silly and
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people taking all your guns.
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Yeah, we're altering your life and you got an hour to figure it all out and get the out of your house. You know, it's coming. Everybody knows it's coming. You have a process that goes into it, but you're walking up to tell somebody. Like, domestic violence is the number one. Like, I think shooting situation for cops. Like, other than traffic stops and all that, like, you're walking up to a situation that is. Been so bad that it's led to the point that the courts have gotten involved and they're taking final. Today is the last day action on you. People's mental health is shot at that point. Good, better, indifferent. They are stretched thin and they are very volatile. And it's a serious call that we're just kind of like, eh, just an eviction. No big deal.
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I'm gonna bring in Jerry. Jerry. What's up, Buddha? You're muted. I think you're muted on your own end. If you could unmute yourself. I can't unmute you.
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Yeah, they chose to mute themselves,
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but yeah, I mean. And looking at that thing, man, that does it is an emotional video because Jerry, I'll bring in once I see that mute thing undone. It is emotional and it. It sucks because you know what? We're forced to a point where an officer being killed is what brings that cohesion together. Those guys that ride to and from the hospital, everybody out there, you know, most people are probably volunteering their time and that it takes an officer killed. Outside of that, you don't see these anymore. You don't see that show force, that show of blue for. And we're gonna lose that too, eventually. In 20 years it's gonna be. I hate saying this, dude. In 20 years there's going to be officers killed with no escorts. It's just going to be a regular like a. He was on the job. It was a job. And I. I hate saying that, Mike, but it's got to be said so people can hear it and go, I would never let that happen. Okay, well, we've sat here as an industry or an occupation for 300 years and we said we'd never let this happen. And now we're allowing district attorneys and council members and chiefs of police and corrupt sheriffs throw dudes under the bus and ruin their lives. And we're not doing anything about it.
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Well, some people are.
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Yeah, we're trying.
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Jerry, can you hear me now?
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Yep.
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C
Okay.
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I can hear the emptiness of the moving house.
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C
That's right. There's a big echo in here because there's a lot less furniture.
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The Numb Chucks. The Numb Chucks are packed up and headed back home.
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C
Oh, yes, absolutely.
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Heading back home. Back to their rightful spot.
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Beat down Broward they're headed. Right. What do you think about that shooting out there, Jerry, in California and how all that, you know, watching that video and seeing all that emotion like, what is that from an older school guy? What does that, what does that bring to your mind?
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C
Well, it brings back, you know, I've gone to, in my career at Broward, I went to six funerals of people I personally knew. And you know, it's, it's very emotional. I mean, one of the guys I went to, in fact, a couple days ago, it was his anniversary of the thing. It was a kid named Philip Billings who was working a detail at a Cadillac dealership and he got, he heard some noise outside, went out to investigate and there were some guys stealing some rims off a Cadillac Escalade. And one guy was hiding in the bushes. So he confronted the guy that was stealing the rims. The guy hiding in the bushes shot him in the head. And I had just done his one year anniversary. You know, he was on probation for a year and I did his yearly evaluation and the next day he was shot and killed. So it was pretty, pretty emotional to go through that. Met his family, he was, his parents were missionary, you know, very religious people. And it just couldn't believe, couldn't believe it. You know, I got, got called at home and went to the hospital and he was, you know, passed away. Is that the same incident with the Bearcat where they actually ran a guy over?
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B
Yeah, the one we're talking about.
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C
Yes. I like, I like what the sheriff said. You know, we, we ran him over and that's what he deserved.
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A
We talk a lot about the militarization of police and you know, people are so against it and the oppressive government and why do we need all this stuff? I'm going to show a video. This is not at any cop in particular. This is how it would be. I've been on calls like this. The craziness. We, we're barely allowing our law enforcement to have bearcats. We're barely allowing them to have the things they need to conduct combat in our streets. Because that sounds bad, but if we try, I, I believe now after seeing this video, even more that law enforcement needs to be trained in. What would you call it, Mike? Infantry. Like open field. To open tactics like squad movements. Yeah, to kill and destroy the enemy. Because we're asking people to go to domestics and, and be courteous on traffic stops and cops are getting written up left and right for not being nice and being too aggressive in the way they talk to people and too stern and you know, they're having to go into the office every day and hey, they said this about you, you know, you needed to be nicer. And all this. And there's no way we're going to train our cops to close in and destroy the enemy. But this video right here shows the chaotic nature of when the enemy is in our streets and they need to be neutralized fast and efficient. And this is what it kind of looks like. Again, not picking on these cops at all, because this would be nationwide. And that's all it is. Not much to that video, to be honest with you, like that.
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That's a war. That's not a police response type call. That is active like war. The guy's firing a rifle in a residential neighborhood with no concern of what he hits or who's behind it. You know what I'm saying? It's a war.
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Yeah.
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For that, for that few minutes, it's warlike time.
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C
Well, do you guys remember, you know, way back when, that situation in Hollywood, California, with the, the two bank robbers that were.
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1997, the North Hollywood shootout.
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C
Exactly. The arm armed to the teeth. And the cops, all they had were, you know, handguns. And then when one guy wound up going over to a gun shop or, or a pawn shop and commandeering a bunch of rifles to combat these guys, and they were fully armed. And that's when I think some of the, I think that changed, you know, the changed police work.
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It did it put rifles in all of LAPD's cruisers, which kind of then branched out to the rest of the nation. But simple things like they teach you as an infantryman or even basic soldiering, I would imagine, you know, that everybody learns this in basic or boot camp is movement by squad. I've, you know, he, he's three o', clock, you know, 20 meters. Everybody just starts moving as a group to kill the enemy. I'm not saying that those people in that video were doing anything purposely. Cowardice. I'm saying the confusion mostly because there's inner agency working and that is very hard to train. We all know that. But the fact that they're not like, they're not switching it on to move in and destroy the enemy, it just sucks. And I feel for them because that is a very hard mindset to just be having your coffee. Call comes out. Who. What the going on now? I hear rounds going. What the is going on? I see cops backing up, you know, and again, not calling them cowardice, but it would be nice to see those eight people communicate effectively. Move in and kill that.
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C
Well, I, I remember when I first started, I was on what they call field force unit, and that was, you know, back in the early, you know, late 80s, early 90s mobile field force. And then that really progressed because we additionally started getting more equipment and then wound up having a cut team and a grenadier unit. And that really kind of progressed into kind of like what you're talking about. It was almost like a little military squad maybe that could advance into patrol, like you said. Because by the time I left Field Force, we were, you know, pretty highly trained unit that could flank people and, and. And do all kinds of maneuvers as a group. And I think, you know, maybe that's what we need to progress to.
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B
Look, look how if you watch that video that you just played, they all group up and bump into each other almost like, what do we do? That is what that moment is. That is unprepared. Look how they just group into each other. Like, what do we do? They're all going to look each other, watch. They bump in. They're like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? We don't know that. And what are you doing in war? You don't stand six dudes in the same place. You spread the out. So that's where some of these tactics have to be taught.
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C
Well, that's got to be, you know, part of. To me, you're part of your active shooter training.
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B
Yes, because cops inherently, if they don't have anything to do, they start moving. Who's everybody's dealt with. The guy on the perimeter that has a job. He's supposed to be at XYZ and that cannot stay there. He's driving, he's looking, he's going. Sometimes your job is to do nothing. Spread out, get a good platform, you know, but they're kind of like, what, seven, eight, ten, nine people, two, three rifle shots.
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C
And you're.
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B
You're going through three people's arms. So, like, just basic tactics of like, let's not group up together. But if you're not training the basics, you're not ready for rifle fire in residential neighborhood. All at war. Because that's all at war. That is a moment of war right there. And they're not ready for that.
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C
Well, unfortunately, somebody's got to take charge, you know, so somebody there could have said, hey, you, you take right, You, I take left, you watch our back and let's move. You know, in a star, you know, like a star configuration or a T configuration, whatever, but at least start giving out some orders. And usually if somebody takes charge, you know, it shows like they know what they're doing. Somebody, they'll fall in Line.
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B
Correct. But I don't know that we have. And I'm not talking about this incident, but in policing we are running very thin on anyone taking charge. It's getting to the point where I keep saying that this power dms, learning through a computer generation that we've gone through like two cycles of generations is like, I don't remember the part about like getting shot by a rifle in the power DMS and hearing them rounds go by. Like, I never thought about that one. Like, yeah, of course you didn't. Like, like, this stuff is real, man. This is real as it gets. And to see how dismissed training and tactics and, and under funded, undermanned and under manpowered, you know, we're going to talk about the New Jersey one later. They only have rifles. Like very few guys in the agency have rifles for like you're talking in 2026. Agencies don't have rifles. MDTS, they don't have computers in 2026. Like, we have a huge problem in law enforcement and now we're seeing it Real Time 4K and it's, it's disheartening.
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C
But we didn't, I mean where I worked, we didn't get patrol rifles until probably the last five years of my career.
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B
But that's how long we went places though. Like, just remember those weren't, that really wasn't a thing until like the, the, the, the shootout and what in LA or Hollywood, like, we never thought about fully armored dudes with only their head visible in a gun that didn't, that never crossed the, you know, we never crossed that. And then we're like, okay, then the school shooting started and then all this stuff. And now it's like, you would think everyone would have rifles. There's places that don't. You would think everyone has tasers. I'll tell you right now, that New Jersey video, nobody has a Taser. The sergeant is the only one with a taser in that agency. There's nobody else in that group of men that has a taser on them in 2026. Not that it's the catch all and not that we have to start with it, but for all the.
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A
He should have tased them guys.
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B
Well, they didn't have them. So now what? You got to go back to your hands, feet, fists and guns.
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A
Look and look at just the people that call the police, man. I mean me and Mike joke about it with the communists that we talk to, but you call the police. I mean we're, none of us are cops anymore. We call the Police. There's something going on. Someone's in my house. You know, someone's. You got. I can't have a pacifist show up. I have to have some. I want somebody, especially in our kids schools. I need somebody that could switch it on fast and quick and, and make a decision that, you know, is. And I just don't think this generation of cops, you know, we, we all joke and bust balls, but dude, the, the citizens deserve a better police, in my opinion.
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C
Yeah, well, you know, that's, that's all to do with recruiting and the standards that they're, I guess, lowering to get more people. I don't know if they're, you know, I guess years ago when you guys were hired, even when I was hired, there was a waiting list to get hired so they could take the best candidates. Supposedly. You know, obviously a few idiots get through, but for the most part you had a competition to get hired. Now it's like they're, they're like incentive. You know, there's all these incentives to get hired and they're taking, you know, people that are, you know, 100 pounds soaking wet and they couldn't, you know, arrest my dead grandmother.
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A
Yes, yes, yes.
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B
I actually commented on a page yesterday, my dead grandmother could do more push ups than what I've seen them people do. Yeah, even when I, when I transferred from the city to the sheriff's office, there was a wait. I got told, hey, we don't have any positions. It took like seven months for me to get from, hey man, we know you want to work here till the. That was 2004. There was still a waiting list to get into. Now they'll take my dead grandmother. I could dig her up and bring her in. They'll be like, yep, phase one. Go ahead.
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A
Real quick, guys, real quick. The man who told us last night he wouldn't be joining us today, and I said that's he absolutely be here. It's G money. And he wants to pop in real quick and, and give his take on the shooting before he bounces.
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B
Right.
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A
So I'm not taking a shot at anybody. Right. But there was a clip a real
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B
couple months ago talking about if cops
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are violating your civil rights, it's okay to take shots at them.
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C
Right, I heard that.
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Who's to say that this, that this person, this shitbag, is being evicted from his home where he was absolutely convinced
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that his civil rights were being violated? There's convinced mental. Yeah, I get it. But I mean, it opened up Pandora's
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A
box and, and this Is exactly a, a repercussion from, from something like that.
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C
That's what, that's what the court system is for, not to, you know, take violence out on somebody, you know?
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A
Yeah, that's why I, I just, I
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was not happy with that statement because
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this gentleman thought his civil rights were being violated and he took shots and killed him.
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We don't know why he shot. But you, I mean, listen, I mean, you don't have a civil right as a, as a very hard to walk. It's hard to walk that statement back now.
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No, no.
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Mental midgets should know. You're taught from a young age you have the right to remain all these dumb things, you know, you can't stay in a place a human being knows they can't stay somewhere and not pay the bills. Like, I knew that in like third grade.
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Is that, is, is that why he was being evicted?
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B
Well, I mean, there's a whole host of reasons why someone could be evicted. Yeah. We don't know. And again, a judge signed an eviction order. It's not like the statement that he made was more like you're sitting in your living room and the cops come busting through your front door.
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A
I don't even think, to be honest with you, he was saying that they knew they were cops. He was saying that if, if somebody's coming and busting in your door and not identifying themselves, and they happen to be cops, but they don't identify themselves, it is. That's not how that reel sounded. So that's why. Okay, well, now I'm taking the accountability for that reel like 20 times,
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but I'm getting at it.
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You're right.
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B
I had two sergeants, not that I know.
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You know what I mean? Two within a year that were.
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B
My sergeants in my squad were murdered
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in the line of duty. One was fucking savagely fucking shot by a bunch of animals from an armed robbery. They stopped it. They, you know, he's pursuing him, stopped on a one way street and they got out and lit him the up and killed him.
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They blew his arm off.
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Steve, was Binsky murdered?
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His last words were, tell my wife and kids I love him. And he died terrible.
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And then a heroin junkie ran the
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other one and killed him.
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All within a year. So it is terrible to see cops.
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You know, my heart breaks for those guys and I really hope that they
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find, they find peace.
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And it's gonna be a long road
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for that cop's family and his squad mate. So, you know, I pray for them. I just hope they find peace. That's it, man. I just want to hop on and
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B
bring that point up.
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That is a good point, Nick. Appreciate it, man.
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B
Yep.
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A
See you guys.
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Bye, Nick.
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B
My only retort to that is, you can't combat mental illness. So mental and everything. Now they're getting to pass because, you know, the guy with the bat was mentally ill. We gotta. We gotta de. Escalate. We gotta be nice to him. But you're right. Your scenario was completely. That scenario is completely different. And we can't control that. A guy who thinks like, in that case, robbery, we know robbery is not. It's not violating his rights. It's robbery. You rob somebody. You know what you did. And you're right. The. The way it was clipped was different than the way it was intended, I think. But, you know, you can't just go every time. Well, I know I'm right. I'm just gonna shoot everybody. Like, that's. That's not what we were talking about.
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C
Let me get your opinion on something, both of you. You know, we go with all the less lethal options. You know, taser, pepper spray, all that's, you know, to ask, what. What's your opinion? If guys were carrying, you know, the shotgun that has the beanbag, do you think that's pretty effective? Because very rare. Do you see that being used? And if a guy gets hit pretty hard in the legs with. With that kind of force, they usually go down. So. And you can be at a good distance. You could be more than 21ft away and take a guy out with beanbag rounds. What do you think?
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B
No, I love it, but I love it. And I think that people would still find a reason to argue about it. Oh, you shot him. Made him more mad. There's always gonna be an argument, but no, I'm cool with the beanbag or even I know they have rubber bullets. The pepper ball guns have rounds that sting. I think all those are great options. But you're talking budget, and I'm telling the state of New Jersey, at this point, you can't breathe on somebody and it. Without it being excessive force. But I think a beanbag round is excellent. But then you got budget training, all those things cops, the agencies don't want to spend money on. Which to me, all this goes back to administration being full of. And not taking training and buying the right equipment. They'd rather have, you know, an AI system that writes reports because that's more important than protecting the citizens. So I agree with beanbag rounds are great. Pepper ball guns are great. To stop people. But you can't control what police agencies are buying and what they're spending their
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C
money on because those, you know, pepper spray and you know, you've seen a minute, a million videos of pepper spraying and the tasers being unaffective, but very rare. Do you see guys getting out of their cars with, you know, pepper balls or, or beanbag rounds not being effective and being at a safe distance in order to take a suspect into custody?
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Great options.
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B
I only had a pepper ball gun. We didn't bean bag. And I lit some people up with that thing and it worked every time. They didn't want no more smoke after that car was filled up or they were getting pelted with rounds that had CS in them. And it's effective, but you got to have training. You gotta have an agency willing to spend the money and you gotta have guys willing to take the time to deal with it because you'll get a guy that's pepper ball gun, has no gas and it doesn't work. So there's a big circle. But I agree with you that those options are very good.
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C
What do you think, Tyler?
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A
I think they're good. I just, man, it's, it's the reliance on things. It's the age old tale of, you know, just because they're good tools. It, it's the subconscious of the group mentality of maybe relying on tools way too much when and, and in fact lethal force is 100 necessary and maybe needed in a situation. I can't tell you how many times on a hot call the supervisor was so worried about getting a beanbag gun there that it's almost like they weren't paying attention to the call. And I think it's like, hey, get me a. I mean I forget what they called it, but give me less lethal. That's what we would call the beanbag. And everybody knows we have less legal but less lethal over the radio meant the beanbag shotgun. And so, you know, I don't see anything wrong with hey, get a, get less lethal guy en route to this call. The less lethal guy has gone to the training. He knows the distance, he knows the time to take a shot. He just needs a command from someone on scene, take the shot. Outside of that, I really don't as a supervisor or someone commanding the scene at the scene. Right. I know there's going to be like we saw in this interview, there's going to be a command center where they're making big decisions that is maybe a half a mile away, maybe a Mile away from the actual scene. But the people on scene get. As long as I make the call to get the resources there, let the resources work itself out. If. If the beanbag, depending on department policy, is allowed to take a shot, take a shot like that's. I got you there. You. If you're in route and we have to kill this before you get there, so be it. It is what it is.
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Yeah, I. I mean, I. You know, calls that were, you know, violent calls. You always, you know, the first guy there, you know, like, let's say the guy's with a knife or a bat and he's at a distance, the first guy there goes lethal. The second guy can go less lethal. So you always have the option of both. And depending on what the guy's doing, you know, you try the less lethal. If it doesn't work, then you got to go lethal. But you know, you always have to. The initial guy has to go lethal because he's there by himself. So then as the backup units come, you know, one of those guys can go less lethal. And then you have options to go
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either way before we get to the super chat, that is. Or we'll get to it. Good, good. I'll read it if you want. They train cop to be. You do your job right way. You get written up, sleep in a parking lot. It's promoting. Couldn't agree more in today's world. The other confusion. Yeah, thank you so much. I don't want people to forget though. There is no obligation. Even if, even if less lethal is at the scene, you do not have to exhaust. Well, first you gotta de escalate. Then you gotta ask him what he had for breakfast. Then you got to be nice to him. You can go right to if like this. I'm gonna stand by like the sergeant did. You can go to lethal immediately if it fits the circumstances. You don't have to go, well, I'm going to tase them first. I'm going to agitate them more. If it doesn't work both ways, you can choose to. And then if that's your choice, you want to beanbag them, you want to tase them, you want to pepper spray them, you want the rocks at them, you can do all that stuff first. But nothing says you have to. That's where I think a lot of people are getting confused. Well, they should have. They should have shot him in the foot. They should have tased them. They should. I don't have to. If I get to the scene and it fits, XYZ pow Pow powder.
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Here's what I have to say about that. Mike, in your career, very lengthy career, how many people did you kill? Shoot.
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B
Zero. Zero.
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Jerry, in your career, how many people did you kill or shoot? I.
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C
The only thing I killed was a pit bull.
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Okay. I. Shorter career than both of you guys. Nine years. Never shot or killed anyone. So that being said, cops used to be. Get hired for their. Their. The ability to think for themselves. Right? You are being trained. You are being invested in. You are out there wearing a badge, taking away people's rights and possibly their lives. In combined 60 years, no one, none of us have shot anyone. And it just goes to show, none of us wanted to kill somebody. And I feel like we take that away from the cops. There's not really. I don't know, I never met one. I'm sure there's anomalies out there that slip through the hiring process, but I never knew a copy that wanted to kill somebody. So when we look at it, if a cop kills somebody, it's because they had to. It's not because they wanted to. And I would. I'm guilty of looking at that video, and I will admit it right now on live, essentially, tv. I looked at that with the. This we're going to move into. Are you guys cool with moving into New Jersey?
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B
Yeah, absolutely.
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Okay. I looked at that video at face value. I didn't really. I watched it once, but I broke it down with Mike essentially, and JoJo for the first time, and we've covered it since. And I stood by what I said. I kept saying, well, it looks bad, and you got to be smart in 2026. And I am a victim of the propaganda machine that is making us think like. And, you know, my mind in 2026 goes into, why would you do that? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And I am a direct result of this propaganda that they're pushing that what is police work. It is ugly. We watched you. We watch your videos and joke all the time, Jerry. But I. The world wasn't ready for Cops when they saw Jerry Worms out there. Jerry's like, you guys want to come see how the sausage is made? Come on. And the whole world got to see it. We weren't. We weren't back then. And Cops was a fun show. Statistically, that family sat and watched on prime time cable. We were a country back then. And now we get body cams. And of course, Cops is never going to show anything that's. That's anybody dying or anything like that. But now we allow people to see the worst of the worst because it's their right to see it. And now because of that, the public turns on us and the public turns on the protectors and the protectors lose their things.
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C
Well, you know, everything, the criticism is always, you know, you got to be transparent. So a lot of these body cam footage sometimes is released way too soon because the, the department is, you know, we gotta, we gotta be transparent and show what happened. And you know, the cop was in the right, so we have to protect ourselves. You know, it's all about liability and lawsuits and all that crap.
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B
Yes.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And here, now that we're here, I'm going to cook because I'm sick of it. Here's what cops do. And we talked about a little bit, the beginning meme pages. We are our own worst enemy. I've said it all along. The brotherhood, the. You have a bunch of cops, some that work very close to this guy, convicting him without even hearing his side of the story. How dare you? You get accused of anything in your little IAs and your little texting some girl on the side or your little pursuit. Everybody needs to listen. This is what I felt. This is what I saw. This is why I did it. A bunch of cops have convicted and just murdered this dude all over Instagram. Like a bunch of. For 15 seconds of video with no context.
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A
You can't do it. You can't do it.
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B
You can't do it. But every time these guys get in trouble at work or do something stupid, they want to be heard. You don't understand, Sarge. You don't understand what I was thinking. You don't understand what I saw. It is a bunch of these guys. I've seen it for two days now. This dude over in the comments, judging him beforehand. It is sad that our profession has gotten this. We have enough trouble with politicians and administration to beat our dicks in the dirt that now our own people are taking a 15 second clip, going full left wing, CNN, Ben Crump on their own people and convicting a dude with 15 seconds of video. You guys suck. You all suck. And I'm. It's disgusting that this profession has come to that. And that's why the job is dead. 100, dude. I don't care if you like it or not. Take that out of it.
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A
You.
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B
You pull 100 dudes at the academy, they're going to say, can you shoot a guy with a bat? Yep. Absolutely. Deadly weapon. Then they see it. 15 seconds. Oh, but not that time. Don't take anything else into consideration and just murder this dude, right? Murder this dude in the media. Disgusting, what these cops are doing to this guy.
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C
But when did you think the.
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A
When.
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C
When did it change? Where? You know, let's say during my time, if I shot that guy with a bat, maybe I wouldn't hear two words about it.
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B
You would have shot that guy at cops running. I think you were still borderline back then. Honestly, like, you were close, right? Tennessee versus Garden. It would have been bad. But I'm saying the fact that you suggested it. Yeah, I know you caught a little flack, but it was fine. Here's where it really. This is where my. My thing is. How many cops, till this day, there's one sitting in the middle right there. Will defend Derek Chovon for kneeling on a handcuffed dude for nine minutes. And it's okay. And I'm not here to debate that one again. I'm just. I'm just using an example.
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A
Well, at time. Time, everybody got time to do it. Initially, they wanted him crucified. Everybody jumped on the bandwagon. Now I think it's rightfully split, right? It's rightfully split.
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B
But 99.9 saw that video. He's innocent. He's innocent. He's innocent. He's innocent. No weapon, handcuffed and squirming around a little bit on the ground, not resisting, no weapon. Couldn't. Couldn't physically kill anybody unless he bit their jugular vein off. Was a zero on a scale of 1 to 10 to 100 of danger to the community. But a guy with a bat who walked around for seven minutes beating innocent people's cars, walking through communities and terrorizing everybody, and then raises the bat where cops take off running. I have the video to show it. Other guys took off running for the 30 millionth time during that contact. And the dude walks up and sees a guy raise a bat, sees his deputies or police officers running from the guy with the bat and kills him. They say, that one's no good. But Derek Chovon, nine minutes. You're good, buddy. Nuts. Nuts. And you're right, it changed with the time that we developed the George Floyd. And it did get more split. These guys have already convicted this dude for 15 seconds. They didn't bother. Then you show them the video, the updated video. They're gonna stand on their hill. They're never alpha male, mean page cops. Big bad boys are never gonna change their opinion now because they bought into it. They're never gonna go.
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That's a dangerous about That's a danger about buying into something so fast and giving your opinion so fast. If you're not going to change it, not flow with the crowd. I'm not saying change your opinion when everybody else does. I'm saying look yourself in the mirror and go, yeah, I up. I was wrong, right? I did it. I judged that video. And I was thinking, 2026. How could you be so dumb, Tyler? Not. Not what's right for policing. Right? So. But it. It's. If you're gonna weigh in, I highly advise you, don't weigh in. If you weigh in defending a cop, and then you start changing your narrative based on some things that come out, I think, as a cop and as your brother, totally acceptable to do. You started by defending the cop, and people are gonna say, oh, that's wrong, too. Not in the brotherhood. If you want to try to say the job's still alive, by all means, go out there and try to slaughter your brothers as soon as a video comes out. The right mindset should be, hey, I don't know. If you don't want to say anything on it publicly, don't. If you don't want to walk around your department and defensively, don't. If you want. If you don't want to get on Instagram, don't. But to go the opposite route and chastise this guy for something you know nothing about, and you should know better because you don't know what he saw, smell, heard, felt. You don't know any of that. And then to have to go backwards and go, oh, wait, maybe he was in the right. That's a lot harder to do.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And how about we just stay neutral or just say. Because I'm not here to tell you. I'm not saying it's 100, okay? I'm just telling you you can't lock into one side or the other. So use of force, deadly force, in fear of great bodily harm to myself or others, Some version of that. In every state. Right. So what would be some of the indicators that people are in fear? I'm going to show you the video that probably nobody's seen yet of the surveillance camera that catches the moments as the shooting is about to happen. And I want you to watch the behavior of the cops we watched on Hot Topic. Seven minutes. I sped it up for context. Seven minutes, they followed this guy around multiple cops. 10, 12. He aggressively came at them, tried to threaten them, walk through residential neighborhoods, hit people's cars that were occupied with the bat. And the one argument I always Hear well, we wasn't doing anything when the sergeant walked up. In fear of great bodily harm or death to yourself or others. You tell me when you watch this video if anybody appeared to be in fear. Okay, I'm gonna bring this to the stage. I'm gonna bring this up. And this is surveillance video from the scene as it unfolded.
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A
This is multiple body cams, correct?
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B
No, this is surveillance video from building. You'll see him walk in. Yeah. Okay, so here comes a guy with a bat. You have multiple cops. Tell me if anybody appears to act like they're in fear. When he. This bat back, He draws his line and he raises it. And look at these guys running for. There's a sergeant running up. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go back. So as he's raising it, his deputy, his cops are running backwards. You'll see him run up. That's what he witnesses with his own two eyes. Is anybody appear to be in fear? You're telling me the sergeant wouldn't perceive somebody was in fear of death or bodily harm when his cops are running backwards?
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C
Shitload of them running back.
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B
Yes. And they're drawing their guns. This guy over here to the right, I don't think has his gun out yet. He's kind of got it out. He's drawing.
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A
See that car in the background doing that U turn pretty quick, though.
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B
Billion. I'll go back to the beginning. You got people. Look, cops running down the road trying to stop traffic. Innocent people over here. This is a citywide problem at this point. No Tasers. None of them have Tasers. Bat. He looks like Negan. Dude. On. I'm gonna pause it.
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A
He looks like. He does. Yes.
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B
Walking dead. Negan has already, for seven minutes, walked around the community and terrorized everybody. You see his cops run. And Sarge running up saying, I'm not dealing with this no more.
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C
Well, see, those guys. Those guys were basically, in their mind, said, we've got to do everything we can not to have to shoot this guy. I mean, that's for seven, you know, we went on, like you said, for seven minutes. I mean, that's a long time.
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B
Just remember what the sergeant is coming up from your right up here where my mouse is. He sees this happening, and so sprints to get up here, because these guys are in fear. Running backwards and scared. Look at him running. Drop the bat. Drop the bat. No. Okay. Adios. I'm not. I'm not. Like I said.
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A
I mean, I didn't see that. I didn't see.
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B
I Know, I know. I, I know.
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A
The one thing I was selfishly asking, and I say selfishly, I mean it. I was selfishly asking for
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C
to, to,
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A
to see that aggressive stance, to see that like this with the bat and to see the fear in the officers. And the sergeant's body cam, I will say does not show any of that. However, surveillance camera and the other body cam that we're gonna watch clearly show that. And I made my decision like a rookie CNN anchor to base my assumption about what should have happened off what I saw.
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B
Do you think the grand jury got to see all that video?
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A
No.
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B
Do you think, did the media get to see all that video? Nope. They saw the sergeant's video. And you will see in the sergeant's body cam, you do watch close, you'll see him cock the bat back. You can kind of see everybody going, he's running, it's raining. But that's. They picked the best one in true fashion. And that's where I get on these cops. You let the media pick the best video, didn't do any additional research and decided it was bad. And even now when you bring it out. I'm not asking you to change your mind. I'm not just going to change your mind. I'm asking you to reevaluate the situation. When other grown cops, big, strong, alpha male, jersey bro, we pork roll big bad Jersey cops. The guy cocks the bat and they run backwards with drawing their guns. Would a reasonable person think that they were in fear of great bodily harm or death because they sprinted backwards and pulled their guns? Sarge watches that with his own eyes. After hearing seven minutes of radio traffic of he's beating a car, he's beating a bus, he's walking around, he's refusing to stop, he's attacked, trying to attack, brain dead. But anyway, let's go to.
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A
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A
All right, so let's.
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Let me go back to that, let me go back to that video and I want to just zoom in. In. Maybe it was a, you know, I can get a little bit more of a zoom on it. I'm going to play that one more time before we go to the next one. So let me get that back up. This is a little bit better, a little bigger. And let's play that one more time. There you go. Negan.
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A
He ain't around, dude. That's not like a dude in distress holding a bat. That guy is like, I'm walking the up.
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B
No. So you know, I'm not here. Like I said, I'm not here to convince anybody or change anybody's mind drastically. But that's big Sarge, dude. That dude sprinted from his patrol car after watching his guy or hearing on the radio the whole way there that this guy's terrorizing the neighborhood, refuses to comply, sees him threaten his guys again with a bat.
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A
And sprint season by. I think every. It's gotta. You said it twice, but I want everybody to know he physically sees his guys move backwards like that. If I pull up and my guys, it's like anything. These are your guys? These are the guys you work with. Yes, they are your subordinates. And yes, you do have to do paperwork on them and you do have to do their evaluations. And yes, there's admin wall, but these are your guys. It's almost like a teacher in a classroom. You're responsible for these dudes. Even though we all want to say, hey, every man makes his own decision. You have to be the one that makes the phone call. Your husband was cracked in the school with a baseball bat and we don't know his status. Right. So you do have that feeling there, that protection. I went as far as to say when I was talking to Jojo offline yesterday, maybe this guy just knew in his heart of hearts. It's 20, 26. These guys all have three or less years experience, they're gonna get hurt before they pull the trigger. I'm gonna go make that call so they don't have to.
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B
Oh, that sounds like a. Like that sounds like you're protecting cops, right? You want. You've heard for seven minutes that cops aren't willing to take that shot. They're not willing. And there was plenty of times, and everybody concedes that he should have been dead an hour ago or seven minutes ago. Yeah, we can't kill him for something he did seven minutes ago. If he completely gives up and he walks out and he goes, hey, I just killed 90 people over there. The guns inside, I have nothing on me. He has threatened to harm them multiple times to the point they could have been shot. Doesn't mean sergeant gets to walk up and shoot them. But with the sergeant having that information and having heard that all the way to the scene and then witnessing another aggressive act and watching his own people flee the scene again, run away, you're right. Sprints to the front and says, it's me. I am him. I will deal with this goddamn guy. I'm not gonna let my cops or the community suffer any longer. Drop the bat. No. Drop the bat. No. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Some are even saying six shots at the. Says it like, I cannot believe the pation of law enforcement at this point. Because I can tell you in Jerry's day, you told Jerry there was a guy with a bat on the corner. You would expect him to be dead before you got there. You would be.
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C
I can't.
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B
Am I lying? Am I lying? Would you expect a guy with a bat to be still there? Seven minutes, aggressively.
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C
Not for seven, not for seven minutes. I mean, it went on. It went on too long. I mean, you know, there you, you in your mind, like you said, like Tyler said, we're not here to, to go out and say, I today I want to go kill somebody. I mean, you don't have that mindset. You try to do whatever you can not to kill them, but it gets to the point where it's you or me. It's. It's him.
- [61:34]
B
Every, every alpha male cop would say that every morning they're getting ready with me. They're. They're taking their crave creatine. They're getting ready. They're doing their push ups in the morning and I'm going home tonight. And all my guys are. If you're not saying that in the mirror in your mind every day when you leave the house, please quit now. But if you, when the guys that are saying that you're gonna let your brother get smoked across the head with a bat and then you're gonna be on video going, hey, man, did you notice? You guys followed him around for seven minutes and didn't do anything. And do you notice, like, your buddy's skull is laying next to his body and we're taking him to the E.R. hopefully we're gonna put it back together, but, you know, you didn't get indicted today. Great, great job, buddy. You didn't get arrested. You didn't get on cnn. Good job.
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A
What? I will say this and be prepared, everybody. I don't want people to think I'm flip flopping. I will. The cop in me, the blue line that's always going to be in me, is going to defend this cop based on merit and he was not in the wrong. I'm not blindly defending anybody. I'm, I'm defending this cop's actions because he's not wrong in what he did. That being said, you will hear, you will hear me say job preservation is job preservation. I will argue in generality, if you want to be a cop in 2026, you need to make smart choices.
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B
Look at it.
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A
This is not a him or me situation. The guy was literally standing there, just literally standing there.
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B
A human being with eyeballs watched what we just watched and he says he's just standing there. I can't fix that, dude.
- [63:07]
A
Yeah, that's just going to be a difference of, that's more of a liberal mindset. If you don't, if you don't want to go, hey, man, I, I trust the police. And going home at the end day, I need the police out there, then I, I give them my trust to neutralize a threat if they feel threatened. If you're going to sit there and publicly defend the fact that this guy shouldn't have been shot by the police, really, there's no debating you. I'm sorry. Yeah.
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C
Well, you know, the mindset you're, that you were talking about, Tyler is the, the, maybe the cop today who wants to have a long career and collect his pension and all his benefits, is basically going to avoid as many calls as he can. When it comes to a violent call, he might, you know, do a traffic stop on the way or do, or, you know, sit behind a tree for a little longer and be the last guy on scene because he doesn't want to get involved.
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A
This is the most. But this profession is the most ridiculous profession in the entire world. Look at a USC fighter. The guy does combat for a living. He's probably at some point going to get a manager when he turns professional. Right. When he enters the usc, he's going to get a manager that manages plenty of fighters. They're going to strategize his combat. They. He is not just gonna pick every. I'm gonna take every single fight. I'm gonna fight all the time, every time. Because I want to go out there and prove I'm the best USC fighter. There's called something. It's called growth strategy and maybe profession like endurance, like preservation. Yes. And I'm just being a realist. If you're gonna go out there and be first one on every hot call, I love that. And you deserve to have a badge, probably more than most people out there. But you have to be ready for what you just signed up for if you were going to do that. We see guys now five years in. It's not that they're cowards. They might not race to a call that can. I'm gonna sound a little underground here. Maybe this isn't for the ears of civilians. Maybe a call that might finish itself before you get there. Right. I want to be the first one to two 12 dudes shooting at each other. I'm gonna get in the middle, and I'm gonna stop it. Oh, I just shot John Tavius. Shot John Tavius. He's 14, and he's unarmed. I'm going to prison for other mile. Or I run in there, I get killed or. Yep. Two people or two groups shooting at each other. Happens all the time. I'm gonna. I'm gonna run lights and sirens. I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna strategically look at what I'm looking at. All cars sped off. Hey, I'm gonna let dispatch know where the cars are going, color of the cars, and I'm gonna go eat. Like, I don't know, like, at some point, you have to be smart in this profession. It's not cowardice. It's just called strategy. Any occupation.
- [65:58]
B
Absolutely. There's no way. If you get a call and you're the only guy within five to 10 minutes of a call, and it's gang shootings in progress. Sorry, I'm waiting down the road. Like, there's no. There's no reason you can't help if you're dead. So you have to draw the line between cowardice, which is amen. Like, school's getting shot up. You have to go in. Versus, like, active participants in a gang war. Like, sorry, dudes. Like, you guys can Finish it. You have no reason to go into multiple armed gang members shooting at each other and get yourself smoked. You have to be smart. You're right. Common sense plays. There are. Sometimes you do have to go. Like when we have a. Preserving cheap. Children are God's most precious thing. We have to. But you, you're right. There's still a way to do it. There's not one way to do it. There's a billion. There's infinite ways of doing it.
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A
What? I was arguing for you.
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B
But you're right.
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C
You're right.
- [66:52]
A
Oh, go ahead, Jerry. Go ahead.
- [66:54]
C
I can give you an example. Perfect example. You know, I've used this example. You know, you know, late at night, I pull over, you know, a dope boy car.
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B
I.
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C
As I'm pulling up to the car, all dark tinted windows, there's probably four guys in the car. I'm by myself. And you know that voice on the back of your head says, wait a minute, you know, I can't approach this car by myself. I know something's up. So what you do is you back off, you call for your backup, and then you do a felony stop on the car. And then you got the advantage. It's always better to have the advantage. You take a felony stop, you take them out one by one, and now you know there's two Uzis in the car, and you're saying to yourself, hey, Jerry, if you went up to that car by yourself, you'd been a dead man. But you backed off and then made the advantage your way. You know, that's how I looked at things as far as, like you said, active shooter, you have no choice. That's how we're trained. You know, if there's a shooting in a school and you're the only one there, as a school resource officer, you're going for the threat period.
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A
It shouldn't take a badge to for as a grown ass man, active shooter. I don't care if you're in the mall with your family. It is what it is, honey. Take the kids and run. I. I'm trained. I know I have a gun on me. I have to stop this. Yeah, but I, I see this, this comment here. Your mama, your mom said hello. That situation is starkly different than the following a dude around with a bat for seven minutes. Not acting in that kind of context is cowardice. I'm assuming he's talking about the back guy. Not acting as cowardice. I got an argument. Not an argument, a heated debate right before Mike and Jojo left. Actually, it was about. It was after night shift, and. And essentially, Mike was like, you guys are arguing two. Two great points. Two total different mindsets, right? Me and Mike, we walk up to the guy with the bat, but we're gonna use multiple officers. So it's me and you. The guy's doing the same thing. You look at me and go, you can shoot him. And I go, you gonna shoot him? Well, I. It's New Jersey, dog, man. Like, all right, then if you don't want to shoot them, then we'll just stand here and look at them like, well, you shoot them. Well, I don't want it. Like, it gets to that point. If you're there with us at the end of the day, if you want to be the best cop out there or you want to have a career in law enforcement, I'm sorry to tell you guys, and your mom said hello, I'm assuming you're law enforcement. If you're not, you got a huge nut sack for commenting that without being a cop. But if you want to be mad at me, that's fine. But at some point, it is. I am a cop at identity, and I don't care if I burn out at three years or one year or 10 years or there is. I'm going to make this a career. It's that simple. If you want to be the best guy out there with the badge, hey, you're gonna burn out quick. If you want to be a cop for 25 years, that's also an option too. But in no way as a profession. The cop work is the only profession that makes you understand that and make a choice. Every other profession is growth, strategy, and professional. And occupation, endurance, longevity.
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B
Law enforcement is longevity. And I, I, like. I started. I was playing one of the. Herb Dean, the referee on ufc. I was playing UFC referee, because I can see where you're both right.
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C
Your.
- [70:20]
B
Your. Your point was, I'm not doing it. I'm gonna dodge. And the other point was quit then. And I can see both sides. But ultimately, I think you should quit because you can't. You either have to do the job correctly, right way across the board and take that hard shot. And if you're in it for any other reason than just collecting a pension and a paycheck per Steve, you shouldn't be doing it. And I agree with that. I agree that if you are that scared to take a shot in a situation where it's warranted, why do I have to quit? I'm not. I get it. I'm not arguing this One, this isn't this situation. This is in general. You're right. Why then you shouldn't, like, you have a duty, a policy duty to protect people. You don't have a. You don't have a civil duty or you don't have a criminal.
- [71:03]
A
So what makes it so I have to stand out there by myself and get slaughtered by the district attorney and the corrupt city officials? It's on me. You're looking at me as another cop and going, tyler, if you don't walk that walk by yourself with no backup, you should quit. You should quit if you're too cowardice to get burned like that.
- [71:21]
B
Yep, Burger King's iron.
- [71:22]
C
Well,
- [71:25]
B
that you're getting burnt. I'm arguing that you should get a different job because that is something you don't want to do.
- [71:30]
A
I would argue you're a. If you work a job with where the next day your state attorney is going to fire you or. Or not fire you, fry you, and send you to prison for the rest,
- [71:41]
B
what do you do?
- [71:42]
A
We just watched an NYPD cop get sentenced to six to nine years for hitting a dude with a cooler agree.
- [71:46]
B
A cooler agree. That's garbage. But then you shouldn't be working. That's my point.
- [71:52]
C
Well, I.
- [71:53]
A
So you think only cops that are willing to go sacrifice their freedom in a corrupt situation should be cops? You think in the hiring put our name on the Bible right now You. You think in the hot. That's why we can't get cops. I've got tier three operators in here. That would probably be great cops. And they're gonna look you in the face and say, based off what you tell us, Mike and Jerry, I'm never gonna be a cop. This is a retarded profession.
- [72:21]
B
Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that. That's not okay.
- [72:26]
C
It like you're talking about a change. I. I did 31 years. Not once did I ever think about getting indicted. Ever. I went to work, I did my job. I thought I did my job with integrity for the whole time. And I. And I'm proud of what I did. And not once did I ever go to work saying, God damn, if I do this, I'm going to get indicted or I'm going to jail. I never, not once, I can tell you in 31 years did I ever think that I would get indicted for what I did. Ever.
- [73:02]
B
So you drag.
- [73:03]
C
How did I go through 31 years and never have that attitude?
- [73:08]
B
Because you.
- [73:09]
A
I don't think they were indicting people like they were. Like they are now.
- [73:12]
B
Jerry, I agree with that, but that's. That's. The point is. And you're both right, two people can be right. You're right. It's. And. And nobody should want to be a cop. But if you say yes and you put your hand on the little Bible and you raise your hand and you're going to defend and protect and do all those things, you have to be willing to go through that. And if you aren't, then you need to get out. And if that means we got 11 cops in the world, then so be it.
- [73:39]
A
The cop industry is a failing business. I say the same thing about the vfw, and everybody started going, wait a minute. You're making sense. When you put basic logic with four bullet points of survival. The VFW business model makes no sense. The police business model makes zero sense. And we're going to watch the decline of our civilization in the next 30 years rapidly progress when people won't be cops because we're allowing this to happen to our cops and we're telling them, hey, I wouldn't do it. But if you don't want to be a. You need to go out there and get fried after five years for making a judgment call. You know, it's just.
- [74:20]
B
You have to. You should have to scroll all the Cobville beans before you take the oath, because I. I have showed you all the problems with law enforcement. And if you're still ready, buddy, I'll ride with you. I'll ride right in the front seat if you're willing to do it after all that. But you have to be willing to do it after all that. I also see your side of it. Your side, though, says to me, quit. Get a. Do a different job. Don't say you're going out there to protect and serve, and then you go, well, dog, I don't want to get indicted. Well, that's respectable. I completely respect you going. This ain't for me. But don't continue to do the job. That's like saying, I'm not willing to cook burgers at McDonald's. Well, that's all we do. Well, I don't want to do that. I'm going to stand over here and do nothing. Well, you got to get another job. So I. I respect what you're saying, but that means you got to quit.
- [75:03]
C
I. I never thought of quitting ever. Not one time did it ever go through my mind that I would quit. Ever.
- [75:11]
B
Yeah, me and Tyler quit. A couple quitters. We didn't finish our career. We're Terrible examples of that.
- [75:16]
C
So now, Tyler, go ahead, both of you guys. Military. What do you think about what they're talking about males that are 18 to 25, they're going to start a draft.
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A
Oh, I haven't heard that. I have not heard that.
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C
Oh, it's. It was. I read an article yesterday. They're talking about males that are 18 to 25 are now going to be eligible to be drafted.
- [75:41]
A
I think that that says that. Man, that's crazy. I think that that is a testament to our country right now, to the division that we are seeing. And you know it. We. We commended ourselves. I don't know if that's the right word, but we took pride as a nation for not having to have a draft and having the most lethal fighting force in the world. We took a lot of pride in that. And now we're gonna have a draft and we're now going to be forcing men into wars. And you will never win a war when men are forced to work all the wars that we won, right, wrong or indifferent. If you didn't agree with that war, if you think there's some global conspiracy and no war has ever been legit, that's fine. But at the end of the day, we had guys dying, killing themselves because they couldn't go fight Vietnam. A little bit of a different time that Vietnam was.
- [76:37]
C
They stopped. I registered for the draft after I graduated high school. It's 18 years old. I registered for the draft and they stopped the draft like six months later. So if I was maybe six months or a year older, I would have been drafted to go to Vietnam.
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A
Just so everybody's aware. I know CC makes a lot of joke. The SS is actually the Social Security, like thing where they draft. I thought every mail was automatically Selective Service. Yeah, I thought every mail was automatically put into that. I didn't know that. That's the thing that you can I
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B
actually have the time Hop today on. My thing is my son receiving the letter when he turned 18.
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A
Yeah. So you're automatically put into that. So that doesn't change. A draft is different saying, we are going to draft from the Selective server. The Selective Service is the pool telling the government there's this many 18 year old, 18 to 25 year olds in the country. The draft, if they enact one picks from the Selective service pool, the Selective Service literally just means you exist. And it's like, probably like jury duty, you know, like, hey, we're gonna pull for jury duty from this list of people in this county. Selective Service is just A list of males in the country. But that is very scary, Jerry, because I don't want people going to war that don't want to be there.
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B
Do you want.
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C
Yeah, I got a son that's just turned 23. I mean, you know, would I. I'd rather see him working here as opposed to, you know, being drafted.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Do you want to watch any more of this video?
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A
Yes, I want to see the. The body cam that shows the other.
- [78:14]
B
The other cup, not the sergeant. All right, you want.
- [78:16]
A
Yeah, the other. Because we've seen the sergeant's video a lot.
- [78:20]
B
This is. You want. This is the one where they. You don't want to see the one where they chase them around for seven minutes?
- [78:25]
A
Oh, I don't care. We can watch whatever you want. I just want to see the one that you showed me yesterday, which shows another body camera. And it shows the same thing the surveillance footage shows. Is that this guy lunging at the cops.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's an aggressive move that people subconsciously, they want to see. Unfortunately, they want that selfish. I want to be able to justify this. Karen sitting down, sipping their coffee in their comfy suburban home. Who's going to judge the cops? She needs to see that for her to feel good about this police shooting, this not trusting the police.
- [79:00]
B
This is one of the guys that chased him around for the whole seven minutes. And this is, as you've seen, the surveillance video from the store that we just watched. This is the other side of the video where you're going to see the same scenario unfold, but from this cop's eyes. So let me go. Or body cam add to screen.
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A
All right.
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B
No, I just. It up. Hold on. Screwed everything up. So here's where it's coming to an end. We're walking by that building. So here's the final. That building their end up is up here on the left. This is as we're finishing up here before charge runs up.
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A
This is the sergeant's body cam, right?
- [79:58]
B
No, this is. This is. The sergeant's not there yet. This is the right leading up to the very end. Watch. This is one of the guys that's been following him for now. 6 minutes and 32 seconds. Get the back. Get the back. Here's where the start. There's the aggressive move to bat.
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A
Coming up.
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B
Plants, Negan, walk from the. In the video we saw from the left. Turn around. One more time.
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C
How many rounds did that sergeant shoot for?
- [80:50]
B
Six.
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C
Six? Yeah. Yeah, six rounds.
- [81:05]
B
So there's that. And, you know, like we said, that is the that's from a guy who followed him. You see the time of that video? That video is six, seven minutes. And six minutes of it is him following that guy around. And we watch that on Hot Topic, he's multiple times, threatens them with the bat. So then, like I said, I'm not here to change anybody's mind. I just, I know, I know that you don't get to hit cops with a bat and you don't get to hit people's cars with a bat. You don't get to walk around public with a bat because it's a public safety issue.
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C
And Izzo was okay with that, right? With the shooting?
- [81:41]
B
He was okay with it on the 17 second clip.
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C
Yeah.
- [81:46]
B
Which sometimes he blows my mind. But you know, the, the difference, he's going, he's going big for the guy in Connecticut who shot the guy with the machete, who walked forward with the machete. I'll be honest with you, man. A machete and a bat aren't, aren't particularly different. And you go to a small knife. I said this, you know, Nick and I were going back and forth. I said, if we got locked in a room and we had to choose between two weapons, you got a, there was a, maybe a six inch knife and a bat. I'm picking the bat 100 times out of 100 is my weapon of choice if we're going to fight. So I don't know how you can say a bat's not dangerous.
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C
You saw the video of the, of the guy pulling up on, on a guy by himself and he got rushed and he got stabbed in the neck. Did you, did you ever see that video?
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A
I got murdered.
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B
That was horrible.
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A
Yeah, absolutely I've ever seen, I mean,
- [82:31]
C
he, that, that guy came up on that guy on the cop. He didn't, he couldn't even get his gun out and he stabbed him right in the neck and he bled out right there.
- [82:41]
B
But it's like in this scenario again, it just. Do you wait? Well, they waited seven minutes. Do you wait seven more? Do you wait till he actually hits one of you guys? Do you wait till he runs? And now you have a crossfire. Just because you don't like it and you don't like the way it looks does not mean it can't be justified. And, and you've, you've all convicted this guy on a 17 second video in the comments of Instagram. The brotherhood continues to prove me right.
- [83:08]
C
Well, that's, that's what Tyler said. You know, it's, it's, you Know, between the news and the administration, it's in the back of their minds that they're going to get if they. If they shoot this guy.
- [83:20]
B
And that's why you quit. I mean, I don't want. I don't want to go through indictment. I didn't want to get indicted. I don't want anyone, any cop to get indicted. But that's the price of doing business. And I, I. That's why I don't fault you for quitting the job. When they knock us, they try to knock us for doing 23 and 10, whatever we did, and we're quitters.
- [83:39]
A
Like this smart. I love police work. I realized that I had a big mouth, and I. Look, I was the guy in briefing saying, this is not. Like, I don't like this. This is stupid. Like, saying things like this is unconstitutional. You can't tell 22 young kids to go violate people's rights like this, because it's a problem for this portion of the city. You can't do that. You can't make us. You know, all the new policies that were coming out, we have to do this, that, and the other. You want me to respond in this way by all doing all this, too? You want me to do this? And I would. And I realized, like, I'm the only one. I remember when I left patrol to go to street crimes, I told them all in front of everybody. I was like, somebody's got to take my spot here and do give some kind of respectful pushback, because if you don't, you're gonna get mowed over. I went to street crimes. Never had to deal with any of that again. And then I left out. Oh, then I went back to day shift, but that was when we started doing night shows. I had to get better hours, so I went back to day shift for, like, nine months, I think. And then I pot smoked.
- [84:37]
C
But see, both of you guys work street crimes. I worked street crimes. Street crimes is a little this great. You're dealing in the gray area, not black and white. So, you know, street crimes, you can, I don't want to say violate people's rights, but you can push the envelope a little more.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah, right.
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C
Do you agree?
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B
Oh, 100, dude. That's.
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A
And you have the experience. Yeah. You have the experience to know what you're doing. My argument was a kid that's been on the road for a year and is 22 years old telling him to go do something. He's gonna do it because it's his job. They're not the People that get hired now aren't freethinkers, they're not war vets. They're not like, you know, they're going to do what they're told. And all it takes is one captain, who we've proven most of them are to tell all these four platoons of young kids to go out there and do something and it gets done and then some kid will do it and then get in trouble and then he's getting hung out to dry. And it was just always stuff like that, playing in the gray. I mean like I was a big advocate on street crimes of like, I think Mike says that you can, you can, you can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride. We're there to clean it up for the night. Dude, I'm a janitor for that 12 hours. I'm. Of course we're out there to show stats, but at the end of the day, we're out there for suppression. We are out there for crime suppression. We're not out there conducting a four day investigation where we take no one off the streets to bust one guy trafficking a big load. That's for another unit. That's what they do. I don't want that. You got a crack rock going to jail. No tolerance in this area. I already told you, John Tavius, there's no tolerance right here. I'm getting on by the captain. So you got a crack rock here, you're going to jail, you know, and if. And that.
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B
But that's the real deal. I had my gun out more in 18 months of street crimes than I did in my other 20 years. My gun was out every day because we were dealing with the worst of the worst of the worst. And, and we were proactive and things were getting crazy. But that kind of goes with what you just said. Like a kind of count to counter what you said. Oh, you shouldn't do the job. What if you want to get indicted. But when you go into street crimes, you're increasing your chance of indictment by about a thousand percent. Like you're putting yourself now regular cop. Now you're going to the very top of gray area. Worse people, worse neighborhoods.
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A
I don't think so because you're not responding. You're you, you're even worse.
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B
You're self initiating. So they go, my cousin played football and he was just minding his business. This pickup truck pulled up. He didn't do nothing wrong. And these guys jumped out with gear and military rifles and they hit them and they drug them away. Like you're everything is self initiated. So in my opinion, you're putting yourself at more risk because you can't go to admin. Well, oh, I got the call and there was a, you know, I had to go find this guy. No, you chose to get out and be proactive and you made the decision the second you get out of that car in that street crimes unit, that, that's self initiated. You're a way higher liability than you are to have responded to a report of a black male in the corner with a gun or a white dude with a machete.
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A
I just, I mean we, obviously we don't have the numbers, Mike, and there's no way to know, but I would think most of the things that we're seeing like this, aren't they like more patrol based responses? Granted, the cooler guy, the cooler guy was narc, so the cooler guy was being proactive. Essentially. If you're, to me, if you're not, if you're not doing patrol work, you're doing some kind of proactivity like narcotics. If you're investigation and you're going out there to make your arrest for an investigation, that's proactive to me. But yeah, I mean it could be argued that it's not.
- [88:13]
B
Obviously, yes, there's million calls, right? There's only a few guys running around. So yes, statistically we're going to see more road patrol function shootings and situations. But you're already saying like you're putting yourself in danger if you're proactive, just a regular cop now you're going to a specialty unit where all your job is, is to create proactive crime suppression. You're putting your, you're upping your numbers with less reps because you're gonna handle 30 calls a day, right? 30, 40 calls a day, 25 calls a day as a road guy, all kinds of street crimes. You might spend all day for that one fish and it's a bad one. And that is a critical situation from the time you start, which the road Guy might handle 30 calls that are routine or not anything really significant. So you're increasing your likelihood, in my opinion, by the type of people you're dealing with and the type of calls you're going, you're initiating. But yes, by, by statistics, road patrol is going to involve the most shootings and most critical incidents.
- [89:11]
C
But getting back to what Tyler said, so, you know, I was a sergeant for many years in all different, in three different kinds of units. Being row patrol sergeant at one time, you know, when I was working afternoons, I Had probably eight deputies. Four of them or five of them were on probation. So they're all less than a year. So as a sergeant, to, to make sure these guys are being taken care of, get the out of the office and go on all the calls with them. Okay? So how do you evaluate guys if you're sitting in the office just listening to the radio? You go on the calls with these guys, you're watching what they're doing. If they're not doing it the right way, you don't embarrass them. Let's say they handle a certain call and then after the call's over, you take them to the side and you say, hey, next time you might want to handle it this way versus the way you handle it. And you just start guiding them and giving them good advice so they can make probation, okay? Because if they don't make probation, the agency has wasted a year of putting this guy through the academy and going through fto and now, you know, he's not making probation because he's such a fuck up.
- [90:31]
A
So one of my, one of my biggest issues when I was on patrol is a hot calls. I mean, where I worked in Orlando, there was my shift on patrol. I mean, probably one to two real hot calls. A shift like hot calls, like, everybody's coming, but that baseball bat guy maybe is like a good example of a hot call. And my biggest issue, even with five years in as a cop, you know, before, before street got five years experience, my biggest issue was why is there not a sergeant on scene right now? It's been 15 minutes. Where are you coming from? Doing the radio. I want to know everything over the radio. Like, granted, I've got maybe just as much experience as the sergeant, and I might actually be smarter than the sergeant, but that's what they get paid to do. Lead, lead on scene. You are, what do they call that? What kind of frontline supervisor. You should be standing next to me dictating what everybody does at some point. Granted, again, I go back to, we can all make, we're hired because in theory, cops can make great decisions on their own. But when you need to start working as a unit and there's a lot of liability starts coming into play, like whether or not you could shoot a guy with a bat. The sergeant needs to be there, and if they're not there, they need to be heading there.
- [91:47]
B
He came. He came.
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C
I, I agree. 100.
- [91:52]
B
He took care of business, man.
- [91:55]
C
I mean, I, I'm saying, like, when I worked in unincorporated Pompano, the Unincorporated districts were always running short because the contract cities all had, you know, manpower issues, and they had automatic overtime. There are a lot of times my shift was running short. I'm the one on the road backing these guys up. I'm on all these calls. I didn't have time to sit in the office. I. I felt. I felt obligated. I need to. I need to be a backup sometimes on these calls. So you got to be out on the road. Like you said, Tyler, you go on these calls, you got to be there as a sergeant.
- [92:32]
B
I got promoted. I never stopped.
- [92:34]
A
I was just not just blowing Mike on air, but Mike was the type of supervisor that. And I think that's really why I like the type of person it requires to be. To be that type of supervisor is. Mike has no. Like, I got stripes. I'm not doing work. Granted, there's some things a supervisor cannot do he'll get in trouble for doing. If I'm at the. If I'm a sergeant, I'm at the jail too much. Someone's gonna on me for not being out there.
- [92:56]
B
I got told that you can't go to the.
- [92:59]
A
You can't.
- [93:01]
B
I could do the arrest of David, but they made me have my guys to transport, and I'm like, now I
- [93:06]
A
feel bad taking a report. Like, all my. If I'm a sergeant and all my guys are down three, and it's a crazy day, and I've got an easy layup report right here. I'm not gonna go. I've never been a supervisor, so I. I just know I wouldn't go. Yeah, give me a road deputy here. I'm gonna do all the talking, talk myself into this report, and then pawn it onto this guy who was never here for any of the info. I never do that.
- [93:30]
B
My problem was I would get back in the car, look at myself in the mirror, and go, why the did you take this stupid call like. But I couldn't. That was like my own little joke to myself because I'm like, I'm. You're a. Sorry. 99.9 would be like this, hey, man, come take this call. But that's. That's important to do that, and it's important to lead that way. I guess not important enough because I got demoted, but I thought I was doing the right thing because that, to me, shows, like, hey, just like, they all claim that the sheriff. You know, the deputies are extension of the sheriff to the ship. The sergeant is the sheriff of the shift. You should be doing the same things your guys are doing, backing them up on the calls, taking reports and, and managing and, and you're right, you may not need the sergeant there, but when the sergeant comes up and kind of gives you like, hey kid, you're doing the right thing. Or let's, let's do that, you're like, okay, like you have to be an independent thinker, but it's always good to have that person on scene, especially at a critical incident. That's what we're, you know, that's what a sergeant's job is. And it's not every call, but the sergeant should be fighting to get there. Just like a road guy. Just like to, to, to help lead and help manage those people. That's your job. But most of the sergeants, like you said, are nine miles away, slung up with their third side chick just doing nothing. And you know, they don't show up to those calls. And that's, that's, that's part of the job is dead. Like guys have been promoted that don't hold the integrity of, hey, man, I know what these guys are going through and I need to be there for them for 12 hours, 12 hours a day. I got to give them all I got.
- [94:52]
C
Well, you know, you, like, you go on a call, let's say a guy's making a traffic arrest or, or he arrests a guy for dope, you know, in a car, and I pull up on the scene and you know, he's going to be tied up with, you know, doing the affidavit and everything. You have to remember everything when I started was handwritten. So I'll run over to the deputy and said, hey, give me a toe slip, give me a property receipt, I'll start filling this stuff out for you. And, and speeds up the process so the guy can get him down to the, you know, jail.
- [95:21]
B
Things, Jerry, the little things that make the guys respect you, like, you're not above putting evidence in, you're not above tone a car. You're not above staying on scene waiting for the tow truck. Just little things, man.
- [95:33]
C
And they respect you for that.
- [95:34]
A
Absolutely, absolutely. It's important to talk about this stuff. I know there's a lot of non cops and that, that support us and listen to us, but to get the, to understand the personalities of me and Mike and Jerry is that you have to understand where we spent most of our careers, professional careers, is this. And so we have a lot of our life experience built on this. And it just. But you can take this blueprint and literally put it anywhere where there's frontline leadership anywhere. Any guy that does a blue collar job and promotes, he's still able and should be able to do that job. And that is anywhere. He's just got experience, A and B, he's willing to take the risk of supervisor. Any supervisor position in any industry, there is liability risk to that. You now have people under you. That is not. I chose to never take that step. Right. And that was my choice because I know there's liability. There's. You get compensated for it for sure. But at the end of the day, that is being a supervisor is a choice. So on.
- [96:41]
B
Any.
- [96:42]
A
For like any foreman, you know, any. Where they. They. You know, I think really what you put on the white hat on the job site is when you really sell out. But that's more like our admin. That's like the captain coming up, get out of here, sir.
- [96:56]
B
Not the snow cone hat.
- [96:57]
A
Not the snow cone hat. Just the other. The white construction hat. I feel like those guys are a little maybe disconnected from the boys. But, you know, that's like I said, that's like our captain coming up and going, hey, and me, like, I know that captain only did two years on the road before he went to a black person unit and played with kids his whole career. And then, I'm telling you, dude, I watched kid. I trained people and I'm like, how the. Is she off patrol? It's been 13 months. And they're like, they had a specific job lined up for her. They were already talking to her. And as soon as she got off probation, they moved her in to the vacancy. That is where we want black people. There was a unit where there was no white people because it was community oriented. It was some kind of. And I get it. I understand. Like, I'm not. I get they do it, but the fact that they won't tell you that they do that, like, they need to be like, hey, really? Like, if we had a unit for Chinatown, hey, we prefer Chinese Americans on this unit. Like, I would be like, yeah, that makes sense. Like, you can relate a little bit. Yeah, they.
- [98:00]
B
They try to hide it in plain sight. No, I agree. And that's. I mean, I can go through my career now and look at you go to cops and I go to supervisors. And there was only a few men that when they got promoted, their. Their initial goal was, all right, this is a huge responsibility. I know what I need to do. I need to be more attentive. I need to be out there with the guys. Guys will get promoted, dude. And you would See them stationed seven hours a day, parked way in the middle of nowhere, seven hours a day completely defeats the purpose of getting promoted. And, but you wear that with a, you know, you take, you, you take the chances like I did. Like, I continued to do my job as a supervisor and ended up on the call that got me demoted, which was proactive police work. Not around with some dude's wife, not, you know, doing some looking people on the computer. Not some character thing, ethics thing thing. It was, I continue to do my job and I kind of look at like Tyler's version. Like, man, I could have just slung up, made 120 grand and you know, only did what I did. But that was impossible. It was impossible for me to do that. So, you know, you're right. It takes a very select person to make supervisor and continue to hold that accountability to themselves and make sure they're doing it for the right reason.
- [99:12]
C
You know, that, that guy Steve that always makes comments.
- [99:16]
A
That guy Steve, that's how that guy
- [99:18]
C
Steve, what's his name? Ladner. Yeah, the last hot topic. Yeah, I put myself out there a little and he comes after me a little and it's like I said, you know, I, I have a 31 year career that I'm proud of and you know, I, I, you know, I'm self proclaimed hero or whatever he wants to call me, but you know, he, he questions my integrity that, that I could actually do 31 years without being a fuck up and violating people's rights. So you know, there are, and I said to him, there are a few of us that are able to be proud of what we did and go to sleep at night and not have to worry about what we did, you know, for our careers. So not every cop, he acts as if every cop's a dirtbag.
- [100:09]
A
Yeah.
- [100:10]
B
No other poll, that's the polar opposite. You got the people that cops can do no wrong and you have the people that think they're all bad. And then somewhere in the middle is the, is the normal everyday person that like I always say, just wants to go to the supermarket, not get murdered, not get beat with a hammer, wants their kids to go to school and be safe. That's most of the people. The silent majority is most of those people. And that's, that's what we do it for. And like, you know, I come out, put myself on the Internet, after 23 years, I get anybody come forward and say anything they want about me. And I've had one person do that. They accused me of planting evidence on body Camera. And we quickly disprove that with the actual evidence. And then most of the messages I get are like, hey, dude, treat me like a human. Hey dude, you know, you were fair, you were tough, you were, you're a nasty dude on the streets, but you're really, you know, I appreciate what you did. So, you know, that's, there's a lot of guy, that's probably the norm. That's the normal good dudes just doing the right thing. And there's always going to be the exception to the rule. There's the guy that does some inappropriate or the guy that, you know, follows up with the DV vectors. Like the piece of. There's always going to be those guys just like there's always gonna be those people in society. But the, the majority are the dudes that just go do their career, handle the calls, and, and that's it. And then there's, there's still a lot of good ones, but we are losing the war with administration, politicians and indicting cops for throwing coolers for sure.
- [101:28]
C
Well, because of you, you know, I'm on Instagram now and my bad. I get, I get DM'd every day by cops all over the country. And they are proud, good cops that show me, they actually show me their camera footage, their body camera footage and say, hey, Jerry, check this out. Look what I did. I was chasing this guy and I, I used your line. I stopped, I'll shoot you in the back. They're all showing me this stuff and they're so proud to show me this. And it's, it's really, I, I have a lot of guys that I, that I converse with and it's really, it's really fun just because these are good guys.
- [102:06]
B
Yeah.
- [102:06]
C
And I've actually become friendly with some of these guys and it's really, it's really enjoyable for me. So I, I guess I can thank you, Mike, for making my life a little more enjoyable as I get older.
- [102:20]
B
Me and Nick.
- [102:21]
A
Nick.
- [102:21]
B
Don't forget Nick Hatton. Nick Hatton.
- [102:23]
C
Oh, no, he, he. Nick is always talking to my wife.
- [102:26]
B
Yeah, she's.
- [102:27]
C
Nick is. He DMS my wife like once a week.
- [102:31]
B
Yeah, he, he, he made the meme and he cut the reel. I just posted it. So between him and I, Yeah, it was a, it's. And I, I, you know, it's great that you are the guy that was brought back. Like I always say, man, Jerry would been up there in the Tennessee, just, just unknown to, to anybody that didn't have a really good Memory. And what you did and what that generation of cops did was just phenomenal. Real highlight of police work and, and good stuff. So. It's awesome, dude. Awesome.
- [103:00]
A
I think that's a testament to, you know, what the, the we, me and Mike can now serve the police community way better by doing stuff like this. And I have, I'm like, man, if we, if we can influence, you know, cops in general to start changing their mindset, whether they agree with me, whether they agree with Mike, whether they agree with Jerry, it doesn't matter. As long as we can start making them feel like there is support and building that support for, for cops. I think that's. I at least know that's my strong suit. I think that's Mike's strong suit too. You know, he was a very good cop, but he. The end of his career was around the time the pendulum was really way up here. And so now it's almost like, well, if you can't send Mike out there on street crimes anymore to let him do his job, then he's more effective here now as a voice.
- [103:52]
B
So just gotta remember that Cobbville is a meme page. It's just for entertainment. The real me is here on Anti Hero. And the guys get their feelings hurt on Cobb. I'm not stopping. I'm gonna talk smack about female cops. I'm gonna joke about the job is dead, but I'm gonna post all that stuff. It's not gonna change. I'm gonna stay true to the funny, dark side humor of that. You want the real stuff, though, it's over here. So I can't have guys get so butthurt about the Cobbville side of things. It's just a page, dude. That's the funny part. That's the jokes that we all make in the locker room and in the, in the, in the 69 in the parking lot. So you gotta get your panties out of your ass when it comes to Cobbville and then know that that's the entertainment side of things. That's my, that's my 53rd alter ego personality. That one. Dogs. Dogs is my first one.
- [104:38]
C
Look at my buddy.
- [104:39]
A
Yeah. Hey, we gotta. Before we leave, we've got to cover this unfortunate event with the Marine that was stabbed.
- [104:50]
C
Yeah.
- [104:50]
B
That's sickening, dude.
- [104:52]
A
It, it sucks. You know, you, you take warriors like marines and they're going to, they, I mean, they're gonna fight, dude. They're going to. I mean that's, that's an age old tale about the Marine Corps, man. You live outside of Marine Corps bases. Like, man, those Marines are always fighting. They're caged bulldogs, dude. They're caged pit bulls. They're. We train them and we shove them in a cage and say, we'll release you when we need you. And then, of course, they're just high testosterone aggressive dudes. However, in any type of fight situation. And I don't know what this Marine was involved in. I'm just saying, like, worst case, he was involved in a physical altercation. No one deserves to be stabbed in the neck. And that is, unfortunately, what happened to this young Marine right here.
- [105:50]
C
Oh, my God.
- [105:51]
A
God, oh, my God.
- [105:52]
C
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
- [105:54]
B
Oh, my God.
- [105:56]
C
Kaden. Oh, my God.
- [106:04]
A
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What'd you say? My person of interest?
- [106:12]
B
Huh?
- [106:14]
A
Cece said he has more pictures. I'll pull them up in a second. A lot of people were critiquing.
- [106:21]
B
I'll load them up.
- [106:23]
A
A lot of people were critiquing the officer's lack of response to this guy bleeding out. I don't. I mean, it's. You're. You. This is about defending cops. You go from a fight in downtown, probably pretty routine. This might even be a downtown unit. They're pretty used to fights, right? Bars closing, fist fights going on, especially if Marines are in town. Seeing a dude standing there bleeding like that probably threw them, like, Wait, what? This isn't just a fight. They were just pepper spraying people in the middle of the road for fighting. And this guy has a neck wound, but he's still standing. So it's like, okay, what's going on? By the time, you know, this guy grabs him and puts pressure on the wound, I'm too late. But I don't really know what the cops could have done, to be honest with you.
- [107:14]
C
Well, let me ask you another question. Do you see these videos where people are more concerned about documenting everything than actually helping?
- [107:22]
A
Yeah, that. That.
- [107:24]
C
That people would rather film it with their cell phones than actually help.
- [107:29]
A
That is sad. That's a good point, Jerry. How could you sit there and watch someone bleed out and just film them?
- [107:35]
C
Yeah, they're just filming it. Put the cell phone down and. And put. And, you know, take the shirt off and wrap it around his neck. You know, do something. It's unbelievable, this. I mean, all these videos. People are documenting everything, but they don't want to help.
- [107:54]
A
Mike, you said you're pulling up?
- [107:55]
B
Yeah, I got it. Hold on. Image desktop. This is the suspect.
- [108:17]
A
That looks AI, but I got more.
- [108:20]
C
Hold on.
- [108:32]
A
Is there any. Does anybody have any information about what happened?
- [108:39]
C
What, what city was this in?
- [108:41]
B
North Carolina.
- [108:42]
C
North Carolina.
- [108:43]
B
I forget what city. It says it on there. It just. Man, those are tough, dude. Like, and, and then like I said, here we are back to the cops. Like, oh, they just stood there. Humans, dude. I'm not saying that. Yeah, do something. But you ready. Like, you wake up every day going, I'm gonna see a dude's throat sliced open.
- [109:04]
C
It.
- [109:04]
B
I mean, that's. It takes a minute processed.
- [109:07]
A
Justin said, yo, that's. Those cops have a lot going on. They did. You go from pep spraying two dudes fighting in the middle of the street to a dude like holding his neck. And then you're seeing the pool of blood, but you're seeing him respond. You're like, I mean, I've cut my finger and bled profusely. Like, you know, there's. That a lot of blood initially might not be an indicator of a life threatening injury. And this is all in a matter of 60 seconds. You know, these cops, like we're sitting here talking about how everyone's like, the cops didn't do anything. Like, okay, real quick. Stranger danger became a YouTube member. Thank you, brother. Means a lot.
- [109:44]
B
Wilmington, North Carolina. Jerry.
- [109:46]
A
So they're probably from. Is that, is that what 4 is in Jacksonville, North Carolina for jet. I know it's near Fort Bragg. It's like an hour and a half from Fort Bragg.
- [109:58]
B
So without, without, you know, we talked like Robocop. You know, we'd like to talk about that, but that the only way you're going to get a reaction that's a response from the police is RoboCop, because again, they're in. You know, obviously applying pressure to a bleeding woman is pretty elementary. That's for everybody there. Not even just a cops like, they're like, oh my God, look. And then they walk away. Oh, look, he's bleeding. Like, pretty elementary for everybody.
- [110:26]
A
John. John Tavius is suspiciously informative about military. That's weird. It's almost like he might somebody else.
- [110:34]
B
No way.
- [110:35]
A
Octavius. Maybe it's. Hey, it's Ja reunite Kerman and Miss Piggy. He wants, he wants your mom said hello. 1. Of course, applying pressure to a bleeding wound is pretty elementary. I'll tell you what, you seem pretty critical about law enforcement and I, and I respect that. What I don't respect is an image of Ralph eating paste and hiding behind no name. If you would love to come on and ask questions and put the heat on me and Mike Or, Jerry, by all means, shoot us an email, the antiheropodcast gmail.com or message us in the socials, and we will give you a platform to create. Come and criticize law enforcement as much as you can because it could always be useful. But you're hiding behind a picture of Ralphie eating paste. And unfortunately, at the end of the day, that is what it is, and you probably won't hit us up.
- [111:29]
C
Now, I gotta ask you, when I come back to Florida and I come up to the studio, I want to be. While you guys are talking to your comrade. I got to be on one of those shows.
- [111:41]
B
We'll get you there.
- [111:42]
C
Yeah, you get me there?
- [111:43]
B
Yeah, we have. That's like. I think we're gonna start selling bracelets like Disney. Like, you get a. A hundred dollars for twenty minutes with the comrade.
- [111:50]
A
I think we're gonna probably do that.
- [111:52]
B
It'll probably make more money than any shirt we can sell or anything else. So we're gonna have. It's almost like the dunk tank. We're gonna have the comrade tank, where. Yes, you'll. You'll get your opportunity with.
- [112:00]
C
Okay, what. What is the comrade gonna think of me?
- [112:04]
A
He's pretty respectful, Jerry. He's. He's. He's gonna tell you that law enforcement has never been great because it's an imperial thing of an imperialist society of capitalism and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, I mean, he will. You know, he. He'll do everything but thank you for your service. I mean, he'll be. He's not gonna do that, but he's. I. I don't think he's. I've never had to worry about him being disrespectful to somebody ever.
- [112:29]
C
No, he seems okay.
- [112:31]
A
I've.
- [112:32]
C
I've. I've listened to him a few times. I mean, he's a little off the wall with some of his, you know, his thoughts and feelings, but he's not. He's not very, you know, arrogant, where he's coming down on you really hard.
- [112:46]
A
No, no.
- [112:47]
B
Then we can. He gets scared, so we don't.
- [112:51]
C
But he doesn't. He doesn't answer certain questions, and that bothers me. Put his back to the wall. And he reminds me of Gavin Newsom because that's where he comes from, the same goddamn, you know, area, San Francisco.
- [113:05]
A
One of the questions we asked him was about Gavin Newsome, and he. He knows if he answers a certain way, the leftist side won't like it. So even though he believes Gavin Newsome is a Bad governor. We could not get him to speak on it at all. He'll flip it around.
- [113:22]
B
Brought up the one housing thing or whatever that he said. I don't like that about him. Like, he, he found one thing that went against his beliefs and said, I don't like that thing about him. You know, and that's like, you know, like, I don't like that. You know, Tyler drinks out of his cup. Like that's not really a big problem. But I don't like that. So it's like he wouldn't say anything bad about him in general. He just found one little thing and he won't answer a question. He's. We still haven't answered the Somali how, how we're responsible for Somalian fraud in Minnesota. Somehow that was a white guy's fault from 300 years ago.
- [113:54]
C
Well, I could tell you one thing. The fraud in California is worse than Minnesota. Yeah, okay. Worse. Much worse. You know, it's like billions worse. So what I'm, I just got some questions for him. I really, I can't wait to engage.
- [114:10]
B
Make sure you take your blood pressure medication that day. We'll get you, we'll get you there.
- [114:14]
C
Oh, no, I, this, actually, this is, this is enjoyable for me.
- [114:18]
B
Good, good.
- [114:20]
A
Jerry, you, you're on the outside. We run a good show. You, you entertained, even if you didn't know who we were. Are we entertaining?
- [114:26]
C
Oh, I, I, I, I check in all the time. You know, it's, it's, it's very engaging.
- [114:32]
B
Those videos you watched last night, entertaining.
- [114:34]
C
Yep. And I want to tell you something. I, I, I, I really enjoy when you guys, you got the wives on. That's, it's good. It bring it. You, you bring the class up a little when you bring the wives on. Good.
- [114:49]
B
Mrs. Jerry on, man, Liz is.
- [114:52]
C
Well, well, listen, I'll come up with Liz. We'll have JoJo, we'll have Heather. It'll be like a, it'll be like a love fest.
- [115:00]
A
The pineapples, I can see here it comes right now. Pineapples everywhere.
- [115:06]
B
Here it comes.
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C
But let me mention also I, you guys, I just want to tell you, I've been talking to Jack every week. I got a shirt on, as you can see. See his shirt? Yep, I got the Jack shirt on. So he's, he's doing well. He's planning to move to Florida sometime in the summer, and he's probably going to move to West Palm somewhere. You know, either, you know, some, some place that's not going to be far from me. Which is good. I talk to his parents all the time, and they have an open invitation to come and visit because his sister is in Palm beach. So he's looking at Palm beach so he can be close to her, you know, be close to me. And his parents are going to come and visit, and they can stay at my house. And his parents are great. I love. I love his. His family is fantastic.
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They are.
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And, you know, he's starting to study for the comparative compliance. So he's got all the book work, and he's going to study for that, and he's going to apply to a bunch of different departments. So he shouldn't just put all his eggs in one basket.
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B
No, for sure. And he'll be. That's 45 minutes to an hour, depending what part of Palm Beach. So that puts us on.
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C
Yeah. So I. I can't wait for him to move to Florida and we can all be together.
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B
I'll have his ass in the car. Going to the studio.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Hey, that. That West Palm beach show is going to be lit whenever we plan that. That's going to be a good time.
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B
We're. It's going to be June because we're going. We're not going out of town in May, so we're looking at June for that show. We'll start getting close on working on that.
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C
Yeah. And I'll. I'll get all my friends to come.
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A
Mike, look, my biceps are so big. It ripped my shirt. Yeah, you like that? Do you like that?
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B
All right. I got a. I got a lunch date.
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A
Oh, yeah. Good luck with that, dude. Let me know how that goes.
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B
I will.
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C
Hey, is JoJo back to work yet or.
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B
She's still on, like, duty or still waiting. Still here.
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A
Every day. Every day? Yes, every day. My wife's home.
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B
So the. The anomaly was the first surgery which went better than anything ever expected for a hip replacement. So all the. She was two or three weeks ahead of schedule all the way through that one and thought that was the norm. This time she had more the realistic version. So, you know, she's okay. Just didn't go as smooth. But things are. Things are looking. You know, she's getting better every day, so we're getting there.
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Well, I tell you, I. I really. When I listen to her speak, you know, she speaks very, very eloquently. And she knows her. And every single female cop should strive to be like her. She is the epitome of what a female police officer should be. And I really. I really have a lot of respect for her because she, she does it right. She does it the right way.
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B
Honestly, obviously biased now, but unbiased before I could absolutely see that when I first met her, worked with her, even though we had our differences about things. I had a short time of working with her for about three or four months as a zone partner when we were completely nothing going on. And I, I got to see that firsthand as well. Takes the job as serious as you poss. Probably should. And because of that sometimes it's taken as a. Almost an insult that she takes it so serious. Which to me baffles my mind because just like any, oh hey man, you're making this company too much money like an investing company or any other kind, like stop making us, stop making us look so good. So yes, I, I would wholeheartedly agree and kind of like everybody has a card. I have when I make fun of female cops, I have the wife card. And I'm like, well, I got a version of what you might want to strive to be. I can see it every day. So I, I couldn't agree. I got one black man, a communist friend. I got them all. So you got them all now I do.
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C
Your, your ex department in Indian River County Sheriff's office is completely missing the boat. She is an asset to that department. That she should be like hailed as a, as a teacher for that department. Giving them advice on how to be the right, do the job the right way, teaching them all the right things. And that department is missing the boat when it comes to her.
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B
Maybe we'll get a sheriff in there that can make all that happen one day. Yeah.
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A
Happy launch day, Mike. Hey, we gotta go. Okay guys, open mic today 3pm Counterculture Inc. Network. We're going to talk some industry stuff, some things going on with the episodes, all that fun stuff. 3pm Eastern Standard Time open mic counter culture network on YouTube. We'll see you there. Thanks Jerry.
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C
Take care.
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