NYPD ATTACKED WITH SNOWBALLS (02/26/2026)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: “NYPD ATTACKED WITH SNOWBALLS”

Original Air Date: February 26, 2026
Main Hosts: Mike, Tyler
Guests: Justin (Donut Shop Podcast), Eric (Retired NYPD), Ryan (Compassionate Veterans), Dominic, Nick (veteran affairs SME)

Episode Overview

This episode dives into a controversial incident in New York City where NYPD officers were attacked with snowballs by a large crowd, spotlighting issues of respect for law enforcement, weak political and police leadership, shifting policing culture, and broader debates on crime, social responsibility, and public discourse. The hosts bring on various contributors, including a retired NYPD sergeant and a Marine, for robust, often provocative discussions spanning policing, race, American decline narratives, and veteran affairs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Honoring Fallen Officers and the Risks of Law Enforcement

Timestamps: 02:43 – 04:42

• Tribute to Sgt. Charles Sanden (Lawrence Police, died two years ago) and Special Agent Michael Walter (shot and killed, 2017).
• Hosts emphasize supporting police, acknowledging the risks and sacrifices:
  • [03:35] “Anytime we can shout out these guys that have given the ultimate sacrifice for us and the community, we're always going to do that.” – Mike

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2. The NYPD Snowball Incident – Media, Public Response, and Leadership

Timestamps: 04:49 – 13:22

A. Event and Political Response

• NYPD officers confronted by a mob throwing snowballs; city leadership, notably Mayor Mamdani, downplays the event as “just a snowball fight.”
  • [05:16] “From the videos that I've seen, it looks like a snowball fight. You said that there were kids throwing snowballs.” — Eric (reading mayor’s comments)

B. Hosts’ (and Guests’) Reactions

• Hosts and guest (Eric, retired NYPD) express disbelief in leadership’s narrative.

  • [08:12] "Dude, it's imploding. New York City for some reason, just loves chaos... This is not about snowballs. This is about leadership. This is weak leadership.” — Eric
  • Strong metaphor: upper NYPD leaders “should just be walking around with ball gags at this point.” — Eric [08:29]

• Worry escalation: What’s next after snowballs? Ice, bricks, bottles, feces?

  • [09:18] “And luckily it's just snowballs because it's going to get worse. Next it's bricks, then it's bottles. What's next?” — Eric

C. Symbolism and the Erosion of Police Morale

• “Uniform means nothing anymore. It's just material on a hanger. It means nothing.” — Eric [13:10]
• Discussion of cultural shift: lack of consequences, emboldened mobs, loss of respect.

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3. The NYPD Union and Policing Culture Shift

Timestamps: 12:53 – 14:34

• Unions seen as ineffective, “self-serving,” late to call for assault charges.

  • [13:22] “The unions, unfortunately, most of them are in bed with the enemy.” — Eric

• Institutional inertia and repetitive, ineffective tactics (“packing courtrooms”).

• Call for proactive, not just reactive, stance.

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4. Is This About Race?

Timestamps: 15:18 – 17:41

• A chat comment asserts “this is 100 a racial issue.”

• Hosts challenge this, noting ambiguity in identifying aggressors’ races in video.

  • [16:01] “I don’t really foresee this being a race issue as much as just a city that doesn’t respect the police officers and admin not doing anything about it.” — Tyler

• Several jokes riff on the notion (“maybe those snowballs were white supremacist” [16:01]), using dark humor to dismiss the race argument.

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5. Policing in Decline: NYPD, LAPD & The Shift to Small Towns

Timestamps: 17:42 – 24:15

• NYPD and LAPD no longer “goats” of policing (“greatest of all time”).

  • [20:11] “No longer is the NYPD considered the goat…now you say the NYPD, they're like, wow, what is going on in that city?" — Eric

• Overtime and staffing crises, administrative insanity, and the flight of both cops and residents (esp. to Florida).

• Small town and suburban agencies seen as remaining bastions of “real” policing.

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6. Shifting Standards in Recruitment and Police Leadership

Timestamps: 23:33 – 24:43

• Lower hiring standards: agencies waiving interviews and requirements, desperate to fill ranks (“they’re waving everything”).
• Leadership’s disconnect and self-serving nature—failure to look out for “the boys” on the ground.

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7. Social Dynamics and Heated Banter

Timestamps: 31:14 – 44:45

• Ryan (“Communist Marine” from Compassionate Veterans) joins to spar over policing, social inequality, government surveillance, race, and the role of police as enforcers of property.

• Accusations and humor about sexual orientation, use of slurs, and double standards in racial/sexual discourse.

  • [33:48] “You try to like, push that. Somebody says something like that, they're automatically trying to come out. And I think that's pretty silly.” — Mike, to Ryan

• Ryan accuses the hosts of laughing off racism, introduces the idea of “agent provocateurs,” and the imperial boomerang (militarization at home after empire abroad).

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8. Surveillance State, Militarization, and Policing Purpose

Timestamps: 44:15 – 46:58

• The group debates if police “militarization” (e.g., armored vehicles) is about safety or state control.

  • [45:03] Mike argues for practical necessity (hostage situations); Ryan counters with a critique of empire returning home.

• Discuss limitations and manipulation of crime statistics for political ends.

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9. Class, Blame, Drug Use, and Social Policy

Timestamps: 50:51 – 53:52

• Ryan discusses engineered urban inequality (redlining), hosts retort with focus on individual responsibility for drug use and government policy (and personal anecdotes).
• Discussion on homelessness, vacancy, and billionaire landlords.

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10. Social Discourse and Disagreement as “American”

Timestamps: 55:07 – 57:05

• Tyler: “To me, being an American means doing this right now, what we are doing right now. It is freedom to talk to each other. It is freedom to push that out to people that want to watch it. And it's freedom to disagree.”

• Ryan references mass incarceration and “the New Jim Crow” as America’s true crisis.

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11. Police Culture: The Dominican Segment

Timestamps: 71:26 – 91:54

• Dominic Izzo (controversial police media personality) delivers comedic rants and impressions (notably Alex Jones), but also soberly critiques cop culture:

  • Advocates that disrespect for police (like the snowball incident) should be deterred by simply “stop responding to calls in those neighborhoods.”
  • [73:27] “Arrest every parent involved. We're going to arrest your, you for your child's battery to a peace officer.” — Dominic
  • Points out changes in parental support and discipline.

• Lampoons younger officers for social media habits and ineptitude in court and report writing.

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12. Law Enforcement and Its Critics

Timestamps: 90:06 – 94:04

• Discussion about Dominic being frequently misunderstood: he critiques bad policing, but will “die on the hill” for justified uses of force. Says he’s often yelling at “alternate reality” versions of himself.

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13. VA Disability Benefits and Alert for Veterans

Timestamps: 95:02 – 113:02

• Nick joins to offer clarity on a new VA rule: vets’ benefits may be reduced if medications have improved their symptoms.
  • [97:46] Mike: “If, especially let's say mental health...the medication is helping, but you can't go tell them it's helping, so they may change it or diagnose you or add medication. Now you're like, well, I really don't need more.”
  • Nick urges public comment to formally rescind the rule change.

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14. The “Communist Marine” — Reactions & Veteran Brotherhood

Timestamps: 105:09 – 108:41

• Nick (as a fellow Marine) states, “I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him,” objecting to Ryan's views, especially on Somalia/Mogadishu.

• General agreement among hosts that robust debate with dissenters is valuable—even if some guests’ politics are “way out there.” The platform remains committed to giving a voice across the spectrum.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [08:12] Eric (on NYPD leadership): “This is weak leadership. That's why I say all the time, the upper echelon, the NYPD should just be walking around with ball gags at this point.”
• [10:00] Mike: “But this is…a mayor saying criminals first, police 50th...It's just happening and it's falling apart.”
• [13:10] Eric: "To me, the uniform means nothing anymore. It's just material on a hanger. It means nothing."
• [20:11] Eric: “No longer is the NYPD considered the goat…now you say the NYPD, they're like, wow, what is going on in that city?”
• [55:07] Tyler: “To me, being an American means doing this right now, what we are doing right now. It is freedom to talk to each other...freedom to express one's opinions...freedom to get frustrated with each other.”
• [45:03] Mike to Ryan (about armored vehicles): “Would that be a better option for you and your family at that time, or would that be a worse option for you and your family at that time?”
• [97:46] Mike (on VA ruling): “Fear of losing your benefits…that's kind of where you see it?"
• [107:09] Tyler (on featuring dissident guests): “…is it OK…that the anti hero broadcast uses him as a contributor…or is that something that you wish we didn’t do?”
  Nick: “I think it’s all right. …If you want to talk about what you want to talk about, I can’t stop you and I won’t stop you. I’m a libertarian…”

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Episode Flow Highlights/Timestamps

• [02:43 - 04:42]: Fallen police tributes & policing sacrifice
• [04:49 - 13:22]: Snowball incident, NYPD leadership, symbolic decline
• [13:22 - 14:34]: Union response, cultural shift in policing
• [15:02 - 17:41]: Is this about race?—debate and humor
• [17:42 - 24:15]: Policing as profession, large agencies’ decline, small-town surge
• [31:14 - 44:45]: Social/ideological clash—Communist Marine, free speech, race, surveillance
• [71:26 - 91:54]: Dominic Izzo segment—cop culture, impressions, criticisms
• [95:02 - 113:02]: VA disability rules and impact on veterans

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Tone and Language

• Candid, irreverent, and confrontational, with unvarnished police humor and gallows wit.
• No-holds-barred banter—guests and hosts frequently challenge each other, occasionally lapsing into language and jokes some may find highly offensive.
• Heavy use of sarcasm and in-group references, sometimes drifting into dark or self-deprecating humor, especially relating to police and veteran culture.

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Conclusion

This episode functions as a microcosm of “counter-narrative” blue-collar podcasting: it’s part news digest, part cultural grievance session, and part experimental open forum for veterans, cops, and disaffected working Americans to hash out serious—and sometimes not-so-serious—issues in policing, policy, and American society. The snowball incident is used as a jumping-off point to illustrate perceived social decay, failures of leadership, and the search for solidarity and common sense in a time of turbulence.

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Transcript

[Mike]

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[Mike]

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[Tyler]

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[Justin]

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[Mike]

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[Tyler]

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[Mike]

Lewis is always on. So start off the show on a little serious note here we have obviously a lot of loyal followers, a lot of loyal people that watch us. We are all about police, all about pushing the job. And we have an anniversary that's not a good anniversary. Two years ago today, Sergeant Charles Sanden of the Lawrence Police Department died unexpectedly. He served in patrol, community policing, canine motors. It was a staff instructor, auto theft guy, patrol supervisor on the midnight shift.

[Tyler]

Hold on.

[Mike]

And he was.

[Tyler]

Don't. Not yet.

[Mike]

Go ahead, bro, go. He was a patrol supervisor on night shift. Officer of the year in 2020. 2019. He made sergeant in 2021 and he was posthumously promoted to lieutenant. And March of 2025, he left behind his wife and teenage son and teenage daughter. This is the two year anniversary of his unexpected death. One of our guests that came in studio last week, this is them squad yesterday, I believe yesterday, day before, doing the little memorial for him and we appreciate his service, we appreciate the service to his community and we feel for his family and grief for all the guys back there up in Mass that are real, real good dudes up there. Also, one of our other loyal followers reached out for his buddy, Sergeant Michael Walter. Michael Agent Special Agent Michael Walter was shot and killed on May 27, 2017 in Richmond, Virginia. While I'm guessing investigating a suspicious vehicle and our follower was there at the scene when this happened and unfolded. So anytime we can shout out these guys that have given the ultimate sacrifice for us and the community, we're always going to do that. We support the job, we support police. And unfortunately this is the other side of things we don't like to talk about, but we have to, we appreciate him, his family for his service and doing the job that not many are really cut out to do. All right, that's what I got.

[Tyler]

We got Justin in studio too from Donut Shop podcast. What's up Justin?

[Justin]

What's up everybody?

[Mike]

Hope you enjoy my camera. Yeah, very nice camera.

[Justin]

I changed the lens.

[Tyler]

Hey. So obviously Mayor Mamdani of the New York City hole that it is now address the snowball incident. So what we're going to do is we are going to play his press conference where he was asked about it and he alluded to the fact that he thinks it looked just like a snowball.

[Justin]

One sided.

[Tyler]

Let's do that right now.

[Nick]

He says that the people who were

[Mike]

involved in attacking the police officers should

[Ryan]

be charged criminally with assault on a police officer.

[Tyler]

I wonder if you agree with that,

[Mike]

if those people can be identified.

[Eric]

I don't. From the videos that I've seen, it looks like a snowball fight. You said that there were kids throwing snowballs.

[Tyler]

Do you know that for a fact

[Eric]

or is it possible these were adults?

[Mike]

I can just tell you from the video I saw, it looked like kids at a snowball plane.

[Justin]

You gotta be shitty.

[Tyler]

They're blind.

[Eric]

I, I think that there were two officers who were facing lacerations on their face. Oh,

[Mike]

look, I, I've, I've seen the

[Eric]

videos of this snowball fight.

[Mike]

I think that it was a snowball fight. Kids at a snowball fight.

[Tyler]

You can't think.

[Mike]

We investigated ourselves and the investigation determined that we were, didn't need to be investigated. So snowball fight.

[Justin]

It Was a snowball fight.

[Tyler]

Snowball fight. Argue It's a snowball fight. Up until this point, that's not a snowball fight. That's a mob.

[Mike]

Yeah, they should all be pepper. Mean if it was NATO.

[Tyler]

Got one more. Sounds like a Trump video just for.

[Mike]

Just make everybody love dice.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

All right, that's battery. I would arrest him. I mean, I would think that New

[Justin]

York probably even got a stricter definition than Florida.

[Mike]

People support the behavior.

[Tyler]

I mean, that being said, we have a retired NYPD cop. Let's bring them on now. Eric Dim. What's up, fellas? He's been on the anti hero podcast. Back in the day, when we talked about the downfall of the nypd, we just didn't know it was going to fall so hard so fast.

[Eric]

Oh, dude, it's imploding. I mean, you gotta laugh. New York City, for some reason, just loves chaos. I mean, from former Mayor Bill de Blasio into Eric Adams, and now Zara Mumdani is just. It's imploding within. And right now, I think Zora Momdani is just going to take it off the cliff. I mean, this is not about snowballs. This is about leadership. This is weak leadership. That's why I say all the time, the upper echelon, the NYPD should just be walking around with ball gags at this point. And they'll do it.

[Nick]

They'll do it.

[Eric]

If they were told to wear ball gags, that's what they would do. These guys have taken a knee. So Zani saying that it's just a snowball fight. No surprise. These cops have no support right now. I feel sorry for them. This is not a snowball fight. A snowball fight is with kids throwing snowballs at each other. Listen, I grew up in New York City. You could throw a snowball, but you could also throw an ice pellet. And that's what they're throwing out here. This is not a snowball fight. First of all, Zora Momdani, if you saw he can't even bench 135 pounds, and he's gonna say he's just a snowball fight.

[Mike]

That's right. That's right. There's a guy who came in, benches, bench press 315. So we're good. We're in good hands with, hence, repeat.

[Eric]

And look, you know it. You can see these cops. They. They're young cops. They're in good shape. These aren't small guys, but it's a symbolism. That's what's going on right now. There's no support. There's no support. This is not a snowball fight. And you said, I heard you say this is a mob. They're charging towards him. And luckily it's just snowballs because it's going to get worse. Next it's bricks, then it's bottles. What's next? And meanwhile, you see the flip side. An NYPD sergeant, Sergeant Eric Duran is now facing a sentence. He's losing his life, his career for throwing a cooler at a fleeing felon.

[Nick]

Right.

[Eric]

Using his resources that are in and around him. And this guy's losing his life. And this is a snowball fight. What would have happened if the cops would have just gathered together as a mob, start throwing snowballs back? Be a different conversation.

[Mike]

Well, if the, the protest or whatever they are, the Snowballs had knives, Mondani would have came and visited him. Probably because I know he's a very sympathetic to guys with knives. But in this case, it was only snowballs. And I don't even think this makes the news, but I talked to a guy from NYPD that got shot last week. No visit from the mayor. Nobody cares from that office. Nobody came to see him. One in the chest, one in the shoulder, live, thank God, wearing his vest. But this is, you know, for, for a guy to look at this, this is almost as bad as the when. When. When half the house refuses to stand up for America's first and immigrants second. This is on TV, a mayor saying criminals first, police 50th like, and it's right in front of us and nobody. It's just happening and it's falling apart. The country's falling apart.

[Eric]

I got no issues with Zonram, Donnie. We know exactly who he is. The people voted for him. I have issues with the upper echelon and the NYPD who literally gets on their knees. They might as well be wearing ball gags because they'll do exactly what Zorami says. And that's the problem. And then the cops with the boots on the ground, they have to face the repercussions because of weak leadership. That's self pandering. Because they want to get a star on their shoulder or they want to pave the way for their son or daughter. That gets detective in 18 months. That's what this is about. That's where my problem is. Zoram, we know who he is, but I have a problem with the leadership of the nypd.

[Mike]

Would you say the job is dead?

[Eric]

It's. It's been dead.

[Mike]

Right now those guys in Vegas that

[Tyler]

I Mean, and at the end of the day, I mean, if it was a couple, a couple people, I would have said it. Turn them loose. Have a real snowball fight. Have the cops pelted him a snowball. It would have been perceived a certain way, but it would have also been like, hey, at least the cops are engaging in this quote unquote innocent snowball fight. But like Eric said, if the cops had turned around and started pelting people, now they're outnumbered 40 to 1, so they can't do that. But let's just say it wasn't even the cops started making snowballs and pelting people in the face. It wouldn't be just a snowball, it'd

[Mike]

be a act of aggression and they'd all be gated and arrested.

[Justin]

Yeah, and plus there's like 40 people in that one video that you keep showing. It's, there's like 40 people or more behind them. You know, they're going up against a true mob.

[Mike]

Just think as a kid growing up, like, and I'm, I'm old now, right? I'm, I'm almost 50. But can you imagine in your wildest dream at like 2016, 14, throwing a snowball at a cop? Like, not in a playful manner, like, I can see, like the community service guide stops by, you're having fun, but to walk up to a cop and just smash him in the back of the dude, you get your ass hand,

[Tyler]

deliver it to the back.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your mom and dad would beat your ass anyway if they found out. The cop would be the last person to worry about.

[Eric]

They would kick your ass and then bring you home to mom and dad

[Mike]

and then watch mom and dad kick

[Eric]

your ass in front of them. Correct?

[Mike]

Correct.

[Justin]

Sanction it.

[Mike]

Make America tough again.

[Eric]

Yeah, but we, listen, we, we've gotten to the point where it's a complete cultural shift because, and this is again why I say I have a problem with the NYPD leadership and the union. Listen, the union said they should be arrested for assault, but it's a little too late. The only response we normally see from the unions is packing courtrooms. And to me, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. We have to actually take proactive stance to stop issues like this. The unions, unfortunately, most of them are in bed with the enemy.

[Tyler]

Right?

[Eric]

I mean, it sounds good.

[Tyler]

The unions have any power in New York City?

[Eric]

No, no, listen, I, I guess they have power for themselves. Very self serving. And they get their 2.5% raises. They never have to Wear body cameras. I say the union guys should start doing appearances. Put them on the street, put their boots on the ground, and. And they'll sing a different tune. Yeah, they're saying that they should be arrested for assault. I. I hate this response. It's always, let's have the detectives go out, let's do the investigation. How about we actually stop them from throwing snowballs and then we don't have to have a full out investigation because it's a complete cultural shift. This is about symbolism. To me, the uniform means nothing anymore. It's just material on a hanger. It means nothing. These cops right now just if, if anything, I think they were testing the waters to see how Zora Muhammad would respond. Right. It's not even 90 days into his tenure as mayor. And now we know. So next it's gonna be bottles. Next it's gonna be bricks. Next is gonna be feces. I know. Listen, I was there during the George Floyd riots. I lost 20 vacation days for jumping on top of a car because there were three idiots in the crowd trying to pick up a wheelbarrow. So I wanted to get a better vantage point. I lost 20 vacation days. So you know what? I'm the most complained cop. This would be my 125th CCRB. No doubt about it.

[Tyler]

You do.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mike]

He.

[Tyler]

Eric holds the. The record in New York City for the most complaints. But we saw this. We saw this with the water. The water guns. What was that two years ago?

[Mike]

Yeah, it was all over.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we saw this coming. It's. It's a progression because everybody said, oh, it's just water guns. Now we're moving into physical objects, which it's just snowballs. And then what is it? It's. It's bottles of urine. Feces, rocks it. That's how it. That's. Yeah, that's how this happens.

[Mike]

Yeah. Or.

[Justin]

Or you set up snowballs with razor blades in them and let them freeze. Like he was talking about like ice balls.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And.

[Justin]

And then you're throwing those mixed in, and you're one of 30 snowballs that's flying at somebody. Nobody's. What, are you gonna track that down?

[Tyler]

We'll put a rock in it.

[Mike]

Yeah. Bring that super chat and see what he thinks.

[Eric]

Spot on, brother.

[Mike]

Well, this comment says, boys, this is 100 a racial issue. You have to start saying it or you will lose your audience. How do you feel about that, Eric?

[Eric]

Seriously?

[Mike]

Yeah, you can say whatever you want.

[Tyler]

I don't really know what that guy means.

[Mike]

Yeah, I'm a little confused. On that one as well. I mean, I, I would think the Minnesota sympathy towards the Somalians might be a racial issue.

[Tyler]

And, and we're pretty vocal about what's a racial issue. I mean, what is it? I mean, if any broadcast out there is telling you guys what a racial issue is, this is it. Yeah, I don't really foresee this being a race issue as much as just a. A city that doesn't respect the police officers and admin not doing anything about it.

[Eric]

Well, maybe those snowballs were white supremacist.

[Mike]

Those snowballs are white like those cruise ships.

[Eric]

I don't know if it's happened in Florida, but I'm sure it is. But New York, man, if you're a white guy, if you're an alpha white male, forget about it. If you're alpha white male or alpha white female, you're doomed.

[Tyler]

You're done.

[Mike]

You have. You have a book of words and things you're not allowed to say. You have a whole script of ways you have to walk and then you're the, the, the other side gives you everything. You have to take it all. You can't say anything back. You have to take every insult, every jab, every joke is okay. And if you have to filter everything that goes out, that's what it's like to be a alpha white male. If I knew one, I'm not one, but if I knew one, I've been told that's what it would be like to not be able to say anything that's on your mind. Or if you do, you have to go, oh, man, was I allowed to say that? I know I got called every racial slur and every nasty name you could pop, but I responded with this. Is that okay? And that's kind of what's like living right now.

[Tyler]

I. I just don't double omegas. I don't know what he's trying to get at. I don't know if he's.

[Nick]

What.

[Eric]

I don't.

[Tyler]

Again, it's. I mean, it's blacks throwing snowballs at cops who represent white people.

[Mike]

I didn't see any blacks.

[Tyler]

I didn't. I saw a bunch of people in mass.

[Mike]

I didn't that and I saw people bundled up. It's hard to tell race.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I don't. Our opinion. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

[Eric]

No, I think your buddy hit. Was it Clint Ludwig? I think he now, he said, keep an eye out for black ice.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Black guy dangerous, bro.

[Mike]

That's hilarious. Clint's good for one liners, but.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Thank you for the super chat, brother. I mean, Eric, at the end of the day, do you. Do you foresee the pendulum swinging back for NYPD at all or the city of New York in general?

[Eric]

No, I mean, listen, we. They vote Democrat after Democrat. We got to the point where we vote Democrat socialist. All the promises made by Zonram. Donnie. We told the young people it's not going to happen. And sure enough, it fell flat its face already. He's already going to increase property taxes by 10 or tax the rich. And if you text the rich where

[Mike]

they go in, they're leaving.

[Eric]

Well, you know, open the floodgates in Florida. That's. That's where they're going to.

[Tyler]

Yeah, all the Florida realtors are posting about it. They're like, this is the best thing to ever happen to.

[Mike]

Well, I'm being told by Florida realtors they're selling the houses through virtual appointment. They're not even. People aren't even coming down here. Yeah, they're making a virtual appointment. They're doing that little drone video of the house. They're like, sold. I'm on my way. Oh, yeah, they've been, They've been doing

[Justin]

it for the last couple years since the pandemic. They've been doing it sight unseen for New Yorkers.

[Tyler]

Just.

[Justin]

Your house sells to somebody from New York and you couldn't even have a showing.

[Mike]

Yeah, we almost got New York pizza down here in Florida finally, man, we're almost all the way there.

[Dominic]

We get.

[Mike]

We could pipe the water and we'll be, we'll be there.

[Justin]

Just a nice pipeline of water.

[Mike]

That's all we need.

[Eric]

The thing that worries me, and I do just happen. I've been saying this for a long time and I've been saying that it's just a matter of time before the nypd where a cop loses his life by the hands of another without a firearm. We're headed there and it's. I wish I was wrong, but I think it's coming.

[Tyler]

Are the.

[Mike]

There was a question in there. Are the FDNY treated any better?

[Eric]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, unfortunately, it's starting to get. Things are starting to tail down, but the FDY is still, still a stronghold. There's a brotherhood there. People love firemen. It's. It's a definitely, definitely a different sentiment, which I can't blame. A lot of cops leave and they become firemen. It means it's a good job. They take care of each other. There's much more camaraderie there, as far as I know. I can tell you. This. The leadership that I see in the fdy, It's. It's changed a bit with dei, but some of the leadership in the FDNY is far better than the nypd. Like, those guys are getting on their knees, and the nypd, These guys are standing on their knees. So they'll give. These guys. I'm telling you, they'll wear ball gags. They'll. They'll. They'll. They'll summons their mothers. I mean, look at the vaccine mandate. Look all the cops that lost their jobs. These guys were never fighting for them. Where were the unions then?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Sad.

[Tyler]

Wow, man. Just a pillar in law enforcement was the l. The LAPD and the nypd, they were just there. They are the beacons for the movies, the TV shows, the camaraderie, the how to be a cop. And it's just. Ah, man. I started noticing a couple years ago, and I was like, man, this is awful, dude.

[Eric]

Yeah, you know, it's. It's. It's. It's interesting that you say that, right? Because I traveled the entire country. I've been trying. Traveling three and a half years by rv, and I've met cops all over the country, and I've met people all over the country. And no longer is the NYPD considered the goat. You know, there's a long time where you would say the NYPD people would be pressed. Now you say the nypd, they're like, wow, what is going on in that city?

[Mike]

I don't know, man. I don't know that there is one. Is there, like, you think, like, go to agency, like, LAPD put out a memo last week that they are out of money. Yeah, they can't. They can't pay any over. It's March. As of, like, March 10th, whatever the day was, LAPD is out of overtime. You have to flex. Which to me isn't. You're gonna. Okay, so I'm gonna accrue vacation time because I can't work overtime, but then I can't take off because our manpower crisis is absolutely.

[Tyler]

So that just gives them a bunch of hours to take for this, for something.

[Mike]

When it was. Because I remember last year, LAPD, they did have the money. They authorized up to four 18 hour shifts in a row. You could work because they were so short, or 16 hour shifts. It was like four in a row. You had to take a day off, and then you come back and work four. Another four in a row. Four in a row. And now it's like, no, you can't work at all. You have to flex all your time and hopefully it's there, but you can't take off.

[Tyler]

It's the perfect administrative model. You get no overtime money. You get a bunch of hours that you can't use and we are going to take from you for this.

[Mike]

Oh, by the way, at 500, 500 hours you're capped.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So sorry, you can't, you can't, you can't go over there.

[Tyler]

We, and then we, then we tell you don't come into work. We don't let you pick vacation days. I remember that was happening a little bit where I worked is that they were saying, yeah, you, you got to go home. Like I don't want to burn it. I got, it's Tuesday. I don't, I want to take a weekend. We don't have any weekends for you to take off. You got to go home right now on a Tuesday.

[Eric]

I, I, I think, you know, honestly I, I think it's at the point where it's small town cops that are actually the goat of policing right now. It's a small time cops. You go to the small town areas where they actually still support the police. These guys are still rocking and rolling. I've been to some small towns where these guys, I mean, I tell them about civilian complaint review board. I'm the most complaining cop. Like what, what is that? You know, they don't even know. It's, there's definitely, if you're gonna be a cop right now, I'd say it's small town. That's the way to go.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You look at like I have, I had a guy, Jordan Ennis, who is at Sandy Springs, which is just outside of Atlanta. And they actually have a waiting list, like 10 person waiting list. And they're a decent sized agency as well. And there are still, they're planted throughout the United States. But like for a long time Florida was a spot. Everybody was coming to Florida. There were a bunch of squared away agencies. But that's kind of lost its steam down here. Like when I can start naming like this one and this one, that's all I can do is name a few. And I'm not saying all agencies are bad in that, you know, you just don't hear about them. There's places I'm sure that are great. They don't make any waves. They just have guys doing their job and that's fine. But when somebody comes to me and says, where do I go? My list is very small. I'm like, well, when they start mentioning the west coast of Florida. I'm like, you don't want to be over in Lee county, anywhere over there. Like, you don't want to go here. You better read the headlines and look at their social media.

[Dominic]

That's the other thing.

[Mike]

You know, you see a bunch of, you know, people dancing around on social media is like their recruiting video. It's like, I really don't know if I want to go there. So it. It gets really difficult. And then they just throw money, like, down here. They're just throwing money at people. They're paying for you to move. They're paying for you. They're waving, Sykes. They're waving physicals. They're paying 20, 000, dude. Yeah, they're waving all. Everything. Giving you a $20,000.

[Tyler]

You got orange County. No. Yeah, they. You gotta have an Orange. You got to have an oral interview to work at McDonald's. You got to sit down and talk to the manager and one of the little booths in front of everybody while they're ordering their cheeseburgers. You're sitting there in a tie, which. It's a job, dude. I'm not on that. I'm just saying, like, even the most entry level positions, you have an oral review with somebody in management. There's agencies getting rid of that. Because what happens in an oral review or an oral interview is you look great on paper. Wow, this guy looks immaculate. And then they say something like, would you ever be able to take the life of somebody if you have to, as simple as that question is, tone, eye contact, all of that really matters. So if they go right there, that's all. If they go. If they go, oh, yeah, I can absolutely do that. I can't wait. Very important.

[Justin]

There's a mid range also, Mike, Here you go. For the sro.

[Mike]

More like social media.

[Dominic]

Social media.

[Mike]

Community affairs.

[Justin]

Yeah, that too.

[Mike]

Justin.

[Justin]

I did it all. All right.

[Eric]

This chat's hilarious, by the way.

[Justin]

Unhinged.

[Tyler]

Eric, are you gonna be getting back into podcasting ever? I mean, I know your family went through a lot this last year, and I just. I can't thank you enough for even coming on here. But is. Is getting back into the sphere of public speaking your thing, or are you just gonna relax for a while?

[Eric]

No, I. I haven't stopped. I took a hiatus for just about two months, and I've been doing it live. When live? Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Still. Still rocking with the finest unfiltered. Still doing.

[Tyler]

Okay, so, yeah, that's my bad. I'm a.

[Nick]

You guys.

[Mike]

You don't even watch me And I'm his friend. He ain't watching. He only watches to come in and talk if there's a problem. If there's a problem with your episode or the thumbnail's wrong, he'll come in and tell you. Otherwise, you won't hear from him.

[Eric]

No, I'm still. I'm still rocking, like I said, with the finest of filter. Monday, Wednesday and Friday, we turned to a whole network. There's a couple of shows. We got retired detectives, so we doing different shows. Retired chiefs. So it's. It's going well. It's been a rough year. You know, losing. Losing a child is. There's nothing like it, man. It really is. Just, uh, every day I wake up and. And wish it was yesterday, you know, but. Yeah, just trying to paint through it and the best way I could describe it's like holding 100 pound weight, which Zora, mom, daddy can't do. And every day it just gets a little bit lighter, but you're always holding it. So.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Eric]

You know, and anyone out there, listen, if you have a loved one suffering from cancer, you know, please reach out to me. I've done so much research on it, and it's just. It's really a debilitating disease. I'd rather see a cure for cancer than aids. It's. It's terrible, so. Especially when it comes to children. So, you know, anyone out there, you have a loved one or yourself suffering from cancer, God bless you.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, what time?

[Eric]

805 live Eastern Time for me. I'm still on the west coast, so it's 505 in the morning for me. But 805 live Eastern time. We go live Monday, Wednesday and Friday. It's myself, John and Marlon all retired for the nypd. John and Marlon were both affected by the vaccine mandate. Marlon was actually terminated without any due process. He had no idea. He calls a job. Yeah, he was fired. He didn't even know. Just insane.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Tyler]

All right. And it's on the finest unfiltered YouTube, right?

[Eric]

It's on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, Apple. But yeah, YouTube's definitely the. If anybody can go over there, like, subscribe, we appreciate it.

[Tyler]

Yeah. All right, brother. We'll be in touch, man. I can't wait to see what you guys come out with with this psychotic Mayor Momdani.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah, when I make my way out to Florida, come check you guys out. By the way, the chat is awesome. Thank you guys. Appreciate it.

[Mike]

Appreciate coming on, man. Thank you so much.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's a good point. You're traveling the country, still haven't came down here. Will do.

[Mike]

We got you.

[Eric]

All right. Take care, brother.

[Tyler]

Later, man. So that is Eric Dim. He's been on the show before. He did. He lost his.

[Mike]

We glazed over that. He's got the most complaints in history of the nypd.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Mike]

Most formal complaints in history of the police department. I love that guy. That's the guy you want to work with, man. Because you really gotta set that you really don't have to do. Hey, Eric did it, man.

[Tyler]

Oh man.

[Justin]

That guy's a cop bill contributor for sure.

[Mike]

But you know what, talking to him, you immediately know he's a good cop.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Like this. That you were like, yep, there he is. Like he's got the swag. He's got one of them. Yep. You couldn't be like, yeah, that's the guy. Like he knows the job's dead.

[Justin]

He's worried about the boys.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Make sure the boys are there.

[Justin]

And there was a, there was a question in the chat, but it wasn't really the, the point in the conversation about it. About with leadership and stuff like that. And that's always one of the biggest problems that we're finding is that the leadership is forgetting about the boys, forgetting about the, the boots on the ground, the troops and stuff like that as they're getting up there. And they're thinking more about their survival themselves.

[Tyler]

Me, me, me, me, me.

[Justin]

And they're forgetting about. And that's the morale.

[Eric]

Not be fun.

[Mike]

But that's what I mean when I say the job is dead. Yeah. We have forgotten to. We have to help each other and not be so self served that we ignore everything going on around us and just go, I want to make sergeant. I don't care what happens to him. I don't care what happens to happen to him. That's my goal. It's like, no, we gotta, we gotta make sure everybody around us is doing it well as well and make sure everything else is happening before. That's kind of like a brotherhood. That's the real brotherhood. If there's gonna ever be another one, because I think it's died. Is make sure everybody around you is eating too and, and getting is good before you just go, I don't care what's happening to them. He's in an eye for. And I kind of know it happened, but I'm not gonna say anything. You keep the blinders on. You got to keep an eye on everybody. That's my point of that whole movement.

[Justin]

I'll tell you what I'm recording an episode in two weeks with my former chief, like a couple chiefs ago. And, and he was great because he came from two other agencies so he had other pensions. So this was his third stint. So he was kind of walled off from like the, a little bit of the drama to where he didn't worry about what the electeds, you know, he'd take their, their things that they're saying. But he was, he did a lot of things for the agency, turned our agency around and, and stuff like that. Granted, towards, towards the end, I guess he kind of was seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and really wanted to like focus on a, on a number or a finish line probably. But you know, he did some great things for our agency and a lot of that was because he didn't have to cave to the pressure from the outside and he was able to do what, what he wanted to do and what he felt was right.

[Mike]

That's the double edged sword of chief versus sheriff. Yeah, there's a good points to both of them, but the sheriffs get, can get out of control and there's. Nobody can stop them until four years later the chief can get out of control and the mayor can go, you're gone. Or city council and they can also influence them. So there's really, to me there's not a perfect leadership model in law enforcement because he either got too much power or not enough. There's really nowhere where you got like unless you have a really good city council and then a good chief or a sheriff that maintains his integrity and doesn't lose his mind. You kind of stuck between. Every day can be a different day and everything can change in a minute if you don't, if they don't like you for something, some reason.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So it's tough.

[Tyler]

All right, we got a, we had a new user join as a member of YouTube. Thank you so much user. LG3BN1FBG3G.

[Mike]

Oh, it's a peptide. No way. You got that right.

[Justin]

No, we have a peptide as a, as a goon.

[Tyler]

Next up we have the. I gotta ask him what he likes more. Communist Marine or Marine Communist. They both have a little.

[Mike]

Marine sounds better.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Communist Marine. I think flow is a little bit better. But either way, Ryan miller of compassionate veterans.org is joining us right now. And he did, he watched it. He came in, wanted to see what we were talking about to be able to give his opinion on current events that we're talking about. So therefore he's got a book too. What's up, Ryan?

[Justin]

The commie ring.

[Ryan]

Good morning, comrades. Thank you so much for inviting me to be here again. And I think one gentle invitation I will offer is I'm not the communist marine. I am just a one among many.

[Tyler]

So I think that's the only communist marine out there, dude. I don't know, is there more Marines that are communists?

[Ryan]

Maybe you've never heard of Smedley Butler, but that'd be another topic. I took a lot of notes. Can I address some of the things that I heard? First off, you started this podcast with a memorial offering to some fallen police officers. And so I thought I. I too would join and invite folks to remember Christopher Dorner of LA Police.

[Mike]

I. I don't know. I'm.

[Tyler]

I'm on.

[Mike]

I'm actually on the fence on Thorner. I. I think some of what he did was.

[Tyler]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Fill me in because I. I thought

[Mike]

you can tell, you know more about. I followed the story very closely and everything that happened.

[Tyler]

He an active shooter?

[Mike]

He was. But there's. I think he's going to get to the reason why he might have done what he did. So I'm gonna let him talk about it.

[Ryan]

Can't corner the Dorner. But what I will say is that four white dudes laughing about racism in the United States is a big part of the Chris Dorner issue. So I'm glad that we brought that up.

[Mike]

No, no, no. Yeah, it's a whole story. It's a whole story.

[Ryan]

Oh, and also, I mean, condolences to my guy Eric on his fallen child. I will notice that. You know, I'm not going to kink shame, my friend, but I noticed all these, like, unhinged silver rings on his knuckles. And then I heard ball gag three times and on his knees.

[Tyler]

So we're talking about NYPD Cuck Admin. Dude, that's what cucks do. They wear ball gags.

[Ryan]

It's. This could be something that he's trying to tell us about his own lifestyle.

[Mike]

Can I point out something? And I'm not gonna.

[Tyler]

You.

[Mike]

You kind of always go back to that. You try to like, push that. Somebody says something like that, they're automatically trying to come out. And I think that's pretty silly. Like, you can go. You can have that opinion and you know, but I think that's a you. It's kind of your go to is every time somebody says something you don't like or sexual, you try to push it, which I'm completely. Like I said, if you want to

[Ryan]

Shoot me your email. I can send you some articles. That site, Homophobia is repressed desires.

[Justin]

I'm gay.

[Mike]

I made fun of ball gags in Pennsylvania Police Department or Pennsylvania. I am gay, everybody.

[Eric]

I'm out.

[Mike]

So I can say all the words now. Today. Okay, I'm gay. If Michael Dilks is gay, I'm out of the closet. So here we are everywhere. We're gonna reunite. There we go.

[Eric]

I have a question.

[Tyler]

Can gay people say. Can gay people say. Are they allowed to? Or no, like, black people can say the N word. Can gay people say.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's kind of like a question that. A question that I was having for you guys, you know, like, we just want to, like, throw around these slurs like, it's cool. Do you say the N word in private? Do you say the N word in private?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I say it with an A.

[Mike]

But, like, after joke, 50 years of hearing it on the radio, I say with an A when I'm singing the songs that people put out, when an album cover has it or that the G, the name of the band has it, I'm thinking, okay, I don't even just want black people to buy that album. Or do white people's money count too?

[Tyler]

I don't even say it in private. I say it. I just don't say it on air because I'm not. A lot of people. A lot of people, including yourself, would be affected if we were saying things like that, and we got shut down. This whole operation's gone. But, I mean, if I. I kind of like the Morgan Wallen thing where I, like, Mike pisses me off.

[Mike]

No, I'm just kidding. I don't do that.

[Ryan]

All right, well, hey, listen, I appreciate the honesty. You use the N word with an A on the end. That's.

[Tyler]

That's between rap music and sing along.

[Ryan]

You don't need.

[Mike]

You can't say it.

[Ryan]

You don't rap along every lyric. If you look like.

[Mike]

No, no. Where is that? Can you find that in your book where the rule is that I can't sing a song that I'm paying for?

[Ryan]

All right, listen. Come out. Come out here to Oakland.

[Mike]

All right, There we go. Hot dog.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Ryan]

Look at you, my bro. Someone's activated. Okay, well, listen, I.

[Mike]

Double standard is. I think your double standard is silly. And every time somebody says something you don't like, you try to make them. You have to be gay to say this. You have to be this to say that. This is America. Say whatever I want.

[Nick]

America.

[Ryan]

I agree, man.

[Tyler]

Here you are.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Do you, bro. Hey, American exceptionalism is thing I want to ask though, in terms of snowball fights, have you guys ever heard of Agent Provocateur?

[Mike]

There we go.

[Tyler]

I have heard of that, but I would not be able to even layman term define it. I know that that's the government is in there provoking things to get a reaction out of everyone in the world watching. Right?

[Ryan]

Absolutely right. So this is where, you know, UN uniformed agents of the state join protest and cause ruckus. Right. You can Google Agent Provocateur Oakland, and you'll see this highway patrol guy. Right. That was start in trouble. So this is an actual thing that happens to discredit protests. And I think we need to like be aware of that as we're having this conversation. In terms of America first, immigrants second.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan]

It's important to think about, you know, one, the Statue of Liberty, give me your tired huddled masses. But also America first is a slogan of American fascism. So that's something to think about as we're like promoting this slogan which is consistent with the United States.

[Tyler]

I, I agree. I think that it. It's definitely a con. It's like the Second Amendment. It. the time when the Statue of Liberty was gifted and erected, it was a different world, just like the Second Amendment was a different world. It's very arguable what it means because it's very broad. But I think immigration all is. Is America First. Americans first is what you guys are saying. America's first immigrant second. But I think it's more once you're too. Once you're a legal immigrant. I consider you an American. When you're an illegal immigrant. I don't. That's just me though.

[Ryan]

Well, the Pilgrims were the first illegal immigrants.

[Justin]

I, I got a question. I'm turning it back just to a couple points. What's up, Ryan? How's it going?

[Tyler]

The.

[Justin]

You said the Agent Provocateurs. So if, if you're using that in. In that specific. So let's just say there's a few plain clothes street crimes NYPD detectives that are there nailing wallop in these officers with snowballs. Like, but what's the. What's the purpose for the government? Like, as someone who has worked in government myself, like what. What purpose am I cause. Trying to cause. Because all it shows to me is that it's maybe going to encourage future snowball fights or snowball throwing in other areas of the city, perhaps because I haven't heard any rhetoric from what we were talking about earlier. Any command the mayor Those folks that are not like, whatever I want to say, not condoning it, but just saying that this is improper. Guys, you got to respect our officers at least, like, let them move out of the area. If you want to have a snowball fight or whatever, they want to consider it. But if it's provocateurs trying to cause something, what would. What would you say is something that they're trying to cause?

[Ryan]

It's basically like a pr. Like a propaganda technique to discredit protests in these social movements. It's a way to restrict our civil liberties, right? In response. So I'll tell you. I was in Oakland protesting, and I ride my bicycle to, like, help stop traffic and things like that.

[Tyler]

And you don't have to tell us you ride a bicycle.

[Ryan]

Hey, this is a good story, though.

[Eric]

Concludes.

[Ryan]

So listen, so I. I write up ahead of the protest, and I meet a officer that's, like, you know, blocking the freeway, because out here we like to stop freeways and block bridges and ports. And I. And I had a conversation with him, right? And I said, hey, man, you're an American. I'm an American, right? I wear all my military stuff out there. And I said, what does it mean to be an American in the age of the criminalization of dissent, the emergence of the surveillance state, and the militarization of the police? As I gestured towards all of his riot gear, and he said, you know what? He looked at me, he said, hey, man, I hear you, and I can't answer that while I'm in uniform. I was like, hey, dude, I respect that, man. Just think about that before you, like, crack some young kid's skull just trying to, like, help change the world.

[Mike]

So as long as you're not.

[Ryan]

I want to ask you guys that, right? This is the Edward Snowden surveillance state. We got body cams that are biometric, you know, harvesters. What does this really mean? You know, we have free speech zones, right, where you protesting is allowed, and we have, you know, L. Rads and, you know, the militarization of the police, like, does that not concern you guys at all, or is this good to go?

[Tyler]

I say this a lot. I say this a lot. I think the destruction of the nuclear family is bad. I think that turning the public against law enforcement is the second thing that they're going for. It's going to take a couple of years. But here's the thing about law enforcement in the. In the government is that I've said this a million times. Law enforcement is not stormtroopers of the government. Law enforcement is an extension of the population. We are representative of the people. To enforce social contract theory, you expect people to not be able to break in your house illegal and burglarize it. I know you're not that crazy to think your stuff is everybody else's in the world. So therefore you'd call the police. I'm an extension of you. I do what you're not allowed by law to do. If you go hunt this guy down and beat him up, you're going to jail. You by you, by extension, I am representing you. So therefore I think it's very important to. While we have these discussions and debate, as society, we really need to try and separate law enforcement from the government. Because if you took a lot of these smaller local population things out of the picture, I think a lot of us all agree on the same thing. Body worn cameras, you do not like the idea for many different reasons. We don't like the idea for many different reasons. But if, if most of the population is like, I don't think body worn cameras are a good idea. We don't have body worn cameras. Whether you think it's because it's a violation of your rights as a human being talking to a civil servant, you don't need to be recorded for public record. We don't think that the public needs to see the nastiness of the world and then try to critique law enforcement on their job. Two separate, totally different reasons. But at the end of the day, if 90 of population is like, let's not have body worn cameras, let's not have body worn cameras, we're gonna agree that's just an example. But I just want to put that out there when we talk about these things. Law enforcement is not the government. Even though their paychecks do come from the government. I understand that the government is paying, paying them because they owe the people good law enforcement.

[Ryan]

Yeah, a couple things on that. I think I agree with you that law enforcement does defend like property and property owners. The rest of us maybe not so much. I think that's something to like really think about. And I think also this idea of like we have to separate the officer from the government, it's kind of similar to what we do as in terms of like separating the warrior from the war. And I think that there is unintended impacts of harm from that. Right. Like, do we say the same things about 1930 German soldiers? Oh, those were like honorable guys just feeding their families, earning a living or were actually. These are stormtroopers. Right. Some of the worst people in the world.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I mean, I. I respect your opinion. I see what you're saying is a senses. I do see what you're saying, but what. Yeah, I mean, what do you got, Mike?

[Mike]

No, I mean, the, like, the what. What upsets you so much about the armored vehicles? Because I hear this a lot.

[Ryan]

What upsets me about the militarization of the police.

[Mike]

The armored vehicles.

[Ryan]

Yeah. This is a good place to bring in what's known as the Imperial Boomerang. And this is when the tactics and the tools and the technologies of the Empire that were used in foreign lands to dominate, return home for use on the Empire's own citizens in an empire in decline, which is where we're at.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan]

That's why we got drones flying over San Francisco.

[Mike]

Right.

[Ryan]

That's why all this militaristic technology that we use on them. Oh, it's coming home now, isn't it?

[Mike]

But. Okay, so let's say your family. Your family particular is barricaded with a guy inside that's got them hostage. And in order for the police to get closer, they have to walk up to your door and make a. The choice to go inside and save you and your family. And they keep walking up, and the guy just snipes one at a time, Shoots them right in the skull as they get close to the door. Or they get in an armored vehicle and they come and smash through your front door with. And they're able to go in and get your family. Would that be a better option for you and your family at that time, or would that be a worse option for you and your family at that time? Are you going to spin it to some massive military operation? So it really doesn't matter at that point? Your family doesn't matter because the government's only doing it for the bigger picture.

[Ryan]

Yeah. This is a good question. I'll just say in brief that, you know, cops don't keep us safe. I'm curious, since we're bringing up New York, how there has been less police, but there's also been less crime? And I think there is, like, a correlation.

[Mike]

Give me cops got shot last week in NYPD that you don't know about to tell me that, hey, I'm in the hospital. I got shot. There's not less crime. There's being less crime reported. So that's all I got to say about that.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And that's government.

[Tyler]

That. The government does do that. They skew analytics all the time. So we've. We've known this as cops the uniform crime statistics, that whole UCR and then

[Justin]

they changed it to a whole nother reporting where they redefined how these crimes are defined for the FBI to be able to track them. And it just. From like 2015 to like 2016, it. It like skewed crime stats insanely well.

[Tyler]

I mean, because what would you rather have let. Let's say you were robbed. You were robbed. A robbery here in Florida is a physical force in, in the taking of property or a, a crime therein. Right. So you were punched in the face and somebody stole your cell phone out of your hand. What sounds better to the voters knowing that this happened on 123 Street? Somebody was assaulted and they had something stolen from them. Two misdemeanors. Or they were robbed by force. That's a felony. That sounds scarier. So when we report big number data to the people of the community, they're like, oh my goodness, this sheriff, this chief, he is bringing crime down. Sure.

[Ryan]

I think, you know, a lot of times these statistics can be used to reinforce propaganda. And I think, you know, when the majority of city budgets are used on police instead of social services, it creates conditions of desperation that result in street crime. What I will say is like, where is all the law enforcement for white collar crime?

[Tyler]

Right.

[Ryan]

This is the Epstein files. This is the Epstein files era.

[Mike]

Right.

[Ryan]

Why aren't all you guys hunting the pedophiles?

[Tyler]

That's the difference that I'm trying to tell you. That's Local law enforcement is every day, every day doing stings and task force to, to stop predators. The, the big, the big. What do we call that? Did the deep state that we all agree on that we don't like that that's what. That's the Epstein file. That there's nothing. That's all. Do you think the FBI director is a law as a cop at heart? No. He's an appointed person.

[Mike]

Not only that, if I tell you that we took down a white collar crime ring of fraud or that a cop got a DUI last night on the and driving his car, which story would you rather see in the news? Do you think the news is going to sit down and report we uncover another fraud. Chase bank did this. We uncovered another fraud that nobody wants to hear that you're only going to get the juicy news story that sells, which would be violent crime. Violent crime is going to be put on the news. Violent crime is going to be put on the news. But it's happening even more than you want to believe it's happening. Because in a Little town that I policed. We just. We caught a double homicide suspect yesterday from one town over. It's not going to make the national. Nobody cares about that. Nobody knows that's going to happen. So you can. Like those other crimes are being investigated, but let's. What about the Somalian fraud? That's billions. $10 billion. You're. I'm sure you're on board with J.D. vance leading a task force to go investigate the fraud in Minnesota because they took $10 billion of your tax dollars from you.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Mike]

You would want that back.

[Ryan]

You know, the Department of Defense hasn't passed an audit since who knows when. And so I think that's a little drop in the bucket. I think the global war on terrorism.

[Tyler]

We got to bring you back.

[Mike]

Do you care about the Somalian fraud in Minnesota or No?

[Ryan]

I think that the entire United States is funded on fraud.

[Mike]

You answered my question. You don't want to talk.

[Ryan]

Isn't this. Isn't this.

[Eric]

I get it.

[Mike]

I get it. You don't want to talk about black people in a negative light. I understand. I understand.

[Ryan]

I think it's consistent that four cops want to like, focus on black crime

[Mike]

in the United States and build million dollars.

[Ryan]

Allegedly.

[Tyler]

Right?

[Ryan]

Let's look at it.

[Justin]

There you go.

[Mike]

There you go.

[Ryan]

Isn't that.

[Tyler]

You're gonna die.

[Mike]

Let's talk about ball gags again. We'll get back onto that.

[Justin]

We'll bought the shirt.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Innocent until proven guilty, am I right?

[Tyler]

No.

[Mike]

But you won't say one negative thing about Somalians. Not one. It's not possible that they committed $10 billion in fraud right in front of your eyes. And there's no kids say.

[Ryan]

All the Blackhawk down propaganda about Somalia has definitely given us.

[Mike]

We paused it for 30 years to catch up to. Yeah, you're right.

[Justin]

You're right.

[Tyler]

Hey, I'm mean to ask you this total kind of off subject.

[Justin]

You.

[Tyler]

The hat that you were last time had San Francisco upside down being in a state of duress. Right. That's like an upside down flag. Mean we're not okay right now. And I was like that. I. I was talking to Mike offline and I was like, I don't understand why. It doesn't seem like he would say that. Like. And I'm like, because it is upside down. We all know San Francisco is upside down. I. I was like, man, I don't think we'd agree with Ryan on that. And he goes, no, he's saying. Because there. This is. We're trying to clarify. He was like, no, Ryan's saying, because there's no socialism, it's upside down. Is that. Are we accurate with that?

[Ryan]

I think, like, one. I'm just pretty cool and stylish, and that could be part of it. And the other side of it, I

[Justin]

think, is like, that.

[Ryan]

Can we ask. Can I ask you, though? Like, why do you believe San Francisco is upside down? What do you think of the

[Tyler]

people Poop and homeless people is a good one for me. Sure.

[Ryan]

Have you ever heard of red. Redlining?

[Tyler]

Is that a sexual term or.

[Justin]

No, it's.

[Tyler]

It's like choke yourself while you jerk off American terminology.

[Justin]

Or it's a terminology of. Of putting, like, other side of the tracks, like moving people into a certain area.

[Tyler]

Oh, no, right.

[Ryan]

It's urban planning. It's. It's engineered inequality.

[Nick]

Right.

[Ryan]

And San Francisco is the first country, or. Excuse me, the first city in the country that implemented redlining.

[Nick]

Right.

[Ryan]

San Francisco has a problem of pandering to developers and tech and displacing its own native citizens. So San Francisco is, I think, one of the best cities in the country. And it's got a lot of issues because of the economic inequality that is.

[Mike]

Is there anything to do with, like, drug use and that there's thousands of people on drugs.

[Ryan]

What are the conditions that lead to chaotic drug use, in your opinion?

[Mike]

You'd make a decision to put a needle in your arm at some point in your life and then continue to do it?

[Ryan]

What are the roles?

[Tyler]

What are the rules?

[Mike]

I've been down and out.

[Justin]

I've been broke.

[Mike]

I ran out of gas for, like, three years trying to survive child support. And I never decided to put a needle in my arm. So I'm just, you know, lost my father very young. I got a lot of stuff, but I never decided to do drugs and continue to do it. Why would somebody start to do that? That's the government's fault. That's our fault.

[Ryan]

My condolences about your father. And I'm curious, like, did you have systems of support and people around you to support you through that grief?

[Tyler]

Probably not. No. No.

[Mike]

I was. I'm an alpha white male. No. People were like, hey, bro, get over it. And I was like, yeah, you got it. Matter of fact, I gotta go go help a socialist that hates police because he just got ran over by a car and I gotta go dig him up and make sure his family gets a report and all that. I didn't have time to take. I got, like, three days off, like, you know, everybody else, and then I went back to Being a police officer. So when that happened, I was like in a very specialized unit doing narcotics investigations. I kind of got like, hey, bud, your dad's dead. Now get back to work.

[Tyler]

Are you joking about the socialist thing?

[Mike]

No, but I'm saying, like, if somebody gets run over by a car, I can't go, hey, my dad died yesterday. Like, I got to deal with this. I went right back to work. And so I, but I didn't, I didn't, I didn't decide to start sticking a needle and arm and on myself in the street. I just kept working.

[Tyler]

But what would you do to fix. I, I understand you identified the problem. What would you do to fix San Francisco if you. I, and I get it, that's a loaded question. You're like, I'm not a politician, I'm not a financier, but just in general, what are some implications that you would do to San Francisco to make it better?

[Ryan]

There are zero ethical billionaires. So I would say that we need

[Tyler]

to

[Ryan]

displace the billionaires.

[Justin]

Right?

[Ryan]

We need to, you know, in San Francisco, there for every single unhoused citizen, there are six vacant, empty housing units. So we don't need to build more. We need to out ban BlackRock from owning properties. We need to ban investment banks from.

[Mike]

Did you watch the State of Union address? I'm sorry? Did you watch the State of the Union? Okay, Trump actually brought that up. You might want to watch.

[Tyler]

What'd he say?

[Mike]

He brought up the fact that billionaires are buying up properties and then re renting them instead of allowing homeowners to actually own a home. So you might agree with that one sentence that he said. You might want to watch.

[Ryan]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Mike]

Well, you might want to watch if you want, if you want. Your Trump was right once there was, hey, he talked about that exact thing that he is. He doesn't agree and he wants to put a stop to banks and corporate and large investors buying up all the houses that are for sale where citizens can't buy them, then re renting that. So to take away the American dream that Americans will never be able to own a home. So for that one 30 second statement, you guys might have been like right there to agree because that's what you just said.

[Tyler]

You would have had to have gone to your, your rage room. And Trump and me agree on one thing. But no, he did say that though,

[Mike]

and I agree with that. That's that I think that is happening. They're buying up properties they'd rather we Talked about this last time, like hotels. I'd rather have an empty hotel than to drop the price down to 79. Yeah. So yeah, I agree with you on there.

[Ryan]

Absolutely. Thank you. So, yeah, basically invest in social services for the community.

[Mike]

Right.

[Ryan]

Defund developers. Defund this like surveillance state these flock cameras, right. We got these robot taxis called Waymos. I'm not sure if you're familiar with them.

[Tyler]

I don't know what that is.

[Justin]

Those are fun to laugh at.

[Tyler]

What is it?

[Justin]

It's a robot taxi with multiple cameras that has dry no driver, drives around the city, sometimes slams on the brakes randomly because it sees a ghost and

[Mike]

records our citizens for deep state government to know who everybody is and know their identity and location at all times. Yep.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Mobile surveillance and biometric harvesting tool masquerading as a taxicab.

[Mike]

Genius, right?

[Ryan]

This San Francisco and Silicon Valley is the, is the technological epicenter of the military industrial complex. Right. That's why the, this is like a radical region of the country because the oppression and the, the state machine is so powerful here.

[Tyler]

Well, you said something, you asked, what does it, when you were talking to that officer, you asked him what does it mean to be an American? And to me, I know a lot of people are highly critical of you coming on the show, probably on your end and people that are like, what are you doing talking to those bozos And a lot of people on our end. To me, being an American means doing this right now, what we are doing right now. It is freedom to talk to each other. It is freedom to push that out to people that want to watch it. And it's freedom to disagree. It's freedom to express one's opinions. It's freedom to get frustrated with each other. To me, when I grew up, that's what I saw is that both sides of the aisle, let's say just politically, not ideally, but politically. And the best thing is voted on for the American people. And that's what I always thought politics was, is that there's two sides. One super rah rah conservatives, the other ones too, oh, what's a love and hug? And every issue gets ran like this and it's what's best for our country. And so to me, that's what we're doing right now. We're allowing people to make their own decisions and to come up with their own conclusions about what's best for this country. With conversation like this, I really appreciate it.

[Ryan]

I think these under discussed conversations that we like sweep under the rug is a big part of the Problem. And what I want to notice about the comments section. Hi, everybody.

[Mike]

About last time, rough section.

[Justin]

It's a dust bowl.

[Ryan]

But my friend was talking about how he was so glad that he never had to kill anybody in the line of duty, Right? And then I want to notice that in the comments section there was this other cop that was like, that attitude is part of the problem, right? This guy was like some proud killer. That's a cop. And I think it's important to notice.

[Tyler]

Was this on Instagram, the comment. Okay, I didn't see it, but okay, yeah, rough.

[Mike]

I'm. People hurled. I think Instagram's the most. No, I'm not gonna say it. They're the most wild. I want to call them brain dead, but they say the wildest things in there. And then obviously comments don't have to be backed up by Face to Face, which again, I applaud you to sit here and have this conversation with you face to face. We agree, we disagree, but we talk like humans to each other and get some type of dialogue that somebody clips and makes money off of. But the Instagram comments to me are very, I don't even pay much attention to those because they'll just say whatever they want and there's no, there's no backing it up with your own real feelings.

[Justin]

Part of the fun thing about Instagram on some of these reels that I get sent of just anything in the world is, is looking at the comedy that comes in on these comments. And some of it's just crazy, hilarious. So not in defense of some of the ridiculous things that people might say when you guys are fighting or debating politically or even emotionally, but sometimes people say some crazy.

[Mike]

It's the kid that wants his desk move into the hallway. He wants to get the funniest rise out of the, of the group. And I'm funny, get the most likes on that. So a lot of people just hurl whatever sounds funny. And I, I, I mean, yeah, I don't mind it, I'm sure. I know you don't like jokes, certain words and being said. And I understand your position. To me, I'm. You can't really offend me with anything.

[Justin]

You just.

[Tyler]

I've been called white here.

[Mike]

I'm not allowed to be offended anyway. But even if I was going to be offended, I would, I really don't get offended.

[Tyler]

You've been conditioned your whole life, brother, to not feel.

[Mike]

Yeah, pain.

[Ryan]

I just noticed that, you know, you guys are in Florida, which kind of puts a lot of this conversation in context. I do think California is like the Florida of the west coast because we just failed to ban slavery in the state of California, like last year when we voted last. So I want to acknowledge that we're a lot closer than we. Than we think. But I do want to notice one note that I took at the beginning. It said, because therapy is too expensive. Right. As part of your intro and as a therapist, I agree that the affordability of therapy is a problem. And I also think that replacing therapy with podcasts is another part of the problem.

[Tyler]

Well, he used our own intro against this, Mike.

[Mike]

Oh, punch in the gut.

[Tyler]

Well, I want to leave it with this. Leave it to you. The floor is yours for anything else before we go on a commercial break. And in fact, next week.

[Mike]

Have you followed that story?

[Tyler]

No, I've been telling you that, like four times. I don't really know.

[Mike]

I know all about this. I know. I followed the story day by day, the manifesto, the whole background behind it. I actually kept a close eye on it. And I will say this. I know your reason is solely racial, but he also was treated very poorly, I think, by administration, something that we talk about. He was down. Administration took advantage of him, lack of promotion. He was treated completely unfair by co workers, and he snapped. And that's something we actually do this podcast for mental health. We do talk about that type of behavior where at some point somebody goes, I've been treated like for so long. And he lost it. And I followed that story very close. That'd be a good topic.

[Tyler]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ryan]

So just let me leave you with this. Just want to invite you to check out Michelle Alexander's book, a new Jim Crow Mass Incarceration in the Age of Color Blindness. And if we can look at the 13th Amendment right, which banned slavery, do you remember what the exception was? Unless convicted of a crime. And if we can notice, like my friend said, some neighborhoods other side of the tracks have been under resourced and over policed for decades. This is where we get the outcomes of racial policing and black and brown poor people filling our prisons.

[Tyler]

All right, Ryan, thanks again from compassionate veterans.org the website has been pinned this whole time. One thing we can all agree on me, Ryan, Mike, is that veterans need help, and we will do everything we can to get veterans help. So therefore, hopefully we will see you next week. Ryan, if you don't cancel on us

[Mike]

like last week, he'll be here.

[Ryan]

Hey, I'll definitely give you my wages back.

[Tyler]

All right, let's see you next week. All right, guys, we're going to a quick commercial break. We will be right back with Dominic Izzo. Robin

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[Mike]

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Oh, we got a third guy.

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Back When I called Justin about get doing it with us, I was like, we need a drummer. We need a technical guy, I don't think.

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But also the Red Billios is every show, Justin's usually in the background.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Running all the comments. Lewis is not here. Justin is producing from home. So when you guys hear me and, and see me and Tyler's ugly faces, Justin's in the background doing all the work.

[Justin]

What was it? Yeah, no, yesterday. Yeah, yesterday I came in because my camera was already in my backpack to come up here. So I'm coming up with no camera feeds and stuff like that. But yeah, Donut Shop Podcast, as per the dictator Tyler, I try to drop an episode weekly because you got to bang the drum once a week and, and drop podcast episodes So I drop mine on Tuesdays, usually at 7 on on YouTube and then I'm also a co host on open mic on Fridays.

[Tyler]

Oh yeah. With me and Nick. Yep.

[Justin]

We do the Tyler forgot. No, just the way you say it. So we got open mic on Fridays. That's usually shooting the show idea is to kind of wind down the week and and talk about, you know, some of this podcast life that we've got going.

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[Tyler]

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[Dominic]

Hi, kids.

[Mike]

How's it going? Dominic? Good.

[Dominic]

Justin, you're the. You're the tech guy for everything, right? I try.

[Justin]

Dominic, hello.

[Dominic]

I want to ask a question. If you ever. Do you subscribe or have ever experienced the Mercury retrograde effects when you're doing all the.

[Tyler]

The work you gotta do?

[Justin]

I'm sorry, I'm.

[Mike]

I feel acting up.

[Dominic]

Glitchy. Any. Anything. Anything glitching at all lately?

[Mike]

Izzo has. He's got a. There's a reason he's asking this dude.

[Dominic]

Mercury retrograde Anybody doesn't know my, your computers up. It's, it's, it's, it's real. It is.

[Justin]

I'm an Apple guy, so everything's fine.

[Mike]

We're all fine here. But we experienced it last night. We thought right. All of a sudden during the show, my, my app, my iPhone actually went down. Like just froze. Maybe it was the thumbnails.

[Tyler]

Wrong. Is this something my wife would call demonic?

[Justin]

I mean, we were talking about it probably. Yeah, we were talking about it with Megaphone and then I was talking about on the phone the other night.

[Tyler]

Oh, Streamyard and Megaphone have all been having problems this week.

[Mike]

Yeah, there it is.

[Justin]

And, and part of it is I was like, dude, everybody's all, all these systems, they talk about how they work on the Google cloud or the Google server and stuff like that. And it's like, bro, one good hit to that Google server and like the Internet air quotes is freaking done for.

[Tyler]

Somebody wants you to sing I want to be ninja.

[Mike]

Nope, That's the one that Thompson curse said you can't do. He said you can't do an Asian accent. That's all you do.

[Tyler]

I want to see Dominic do some kind of act.

[Mike]

No, you don't want to see.

[Tyler]

It

[Mike]

ends in R and we don't need that one.

[Tyler]

One.

[Dominic]

And you say you want me to do an accent.

[Tyler]

No, never mind.

[Dominic]

I, I, I, I used to do. There was a woman who called up once and I was on a fluke. I used to do a political show and a woman heard my impression of this person and literally asked me, would you call my mother? She's the biggest fan of the planet. And I was, I streamed live and it was bad but I, I, I had said this, this is, this is Alex Jones from Intro Infowars. I heard that you are a big, a big fan of the show and the interdimensional alien with the gay frogs that come down from the planets. And we have to understand we're in a spiritual war and they're drinking your baby's blood and all this. I'm gonna eat my neighbors. And this woman bought it.

[Mike]

That's really good.

[Justin]

Dominic is doing a call in now, so he doesn't have video.

[Dominic]

I have my partner Ashley and I when we're on the air, we used to call businesses and we'd be like, I just need to know, do you have a mask mandate policy? Because the gay frogs that I lick, they, they, they have made me immune to the COVID 19 vaccine. And when I come to your show, this is yes, this is Alex Jones. I used to. All the time.

[Tyler]

Wow, that's good.

[Justin]

Dude.

[Mike]

You missed your calling of jackass. Dude, that could have been you, man. With before the. Before the crank yankers. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That's really good. That's a really good accent.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that was good impression.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Dominic. So obviously the. The topic of today was the. The silliness that is snowballs. And I agree it is silly because when we grew up, all of us grew up. You don't. If you pelted a cop with snowball, that would be the last time you pelted a cop with a snowball. What's your thoughts on that whole thing?

[Dominic]

Isn't. Is it not. Does it not fit the definition of battery?

[Mike]

It does.

[Tyler]

It does. Especially when it's hand delivered to the back of your head.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And your hand connects you.

[Dominic]

You can. There's a time and place for all that. Like I saw a couple years ago was the cops who were getting water

[Mike]

pelted with the pistols.

[Dominic]

Water pistols. And I'm like, what are you gonna do? There's two of you versus 50 kids. And it boils down the easiest way because you can see who it is. I say just stop responding to calls.

[Tyler]

Okay. Like in that area.

[Dominic]

Oh yeah.

[Mike]

I.

[Nick]

If.

[Dominic]

If it's gonna start being an issue where. Because back this particular issue was a certain culture that has a certain type of pigment to them. You know what? Deal with it. Deal with your own. But I don't know any other solution because once you open that door, then it is. There's a bigger solution. Arrest every parent involved. We're going to arrest your. You for your child's battery to a peace officer.

[Tyler]

Like take that child to the front door and do just a swap. Like, yeah.

[Dominic]

100% like. Yeah. It is what it is. You know, you just let failure to do X, Y and z. No. Yeah. I think it's completely disgusting.

[Mike]

What would you have done back in the day?

[Dominic]

Nothing. You can't.

[Mike]

I did back in the day. Yeah.

[Dominic]

But nothing. I literally realized there was a change in law enforcement when driving on the street one afternoon and I got my window opens. Gorgeous day. And this kid goes, hi, princess. I go the. And I back up. And I look at the kid, I go, excuse me. And he's shaking in his boots. And I went, I. What can I do? Literally, I've brought home. I know I've brought it. I brought home a kid once, name was Grady. Grady said he was gonna shoot me if you ever saw me on scene. I walked back up. I said, Mrs. So and so your son says he's gonna shoot me if he sees me. And she goes, what'd you all do to him? I'm like, yeah, there's no.

[Mike]

The worst I ever. It got me. I was brand new, like, six months on, and I got flicked off. Keep going by, and I pulled him over. I was way out of my jurisdiction by the time I caught up for flicking you off. I was. I was new. I was new. And I'm like, yo. So I pulled over and I said, oh, I thought you were flagging me. I thought you needed help. I thought you were smart enough to go, yeah. And then I got done. I'm like, I don't think I can do that. Like, I'm like. And I was like, I'm 22 years old, brand new. And I'm like, I don't think you can get away. And then obviously, that was when I worked Vero. When I went. Started working the hood, it was like, oh, well, getting flicked off is very minor, very normal, very, very minor. Compared to they say hello. Yeah, I had a black twerking across the front of my car at one point. I'm like, this is a little different than the middle finger.

[Justin]

I had one when Obama first got elected. These guys were running by us, and

[Mike]

they were just like, obama, Obama, Obama.

[Justin]

And I'm like, is that an insult? Like, what are you trying to do to me?

[Tyler]

Like.

[Justin]

Like, is that your force field? Like, I'm not allowed to come by you because you have a black president now. Like, I was like, I'm not getting it. Kenyan president not making me mad.

[Dominic]

Half white president. Kenyan president.

[Nick]

What?

[Mike]

Yeah, he was. His mom was from.

[Dominic]

Yeah, his mom was white. He's just as white as he was black.

[Mike]

They never brought her up. No, he never brought the white family up. It was always.

[Justin]

It's interesting. Yeah, it was never interesting.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Soros said, no, they're off limits.

[Tyler]

Yeah, he's black.

[Mike]

So that would make. Oh, never mind. No, no, that would make the video of the.

[Tyler]

Of the.

[Mike]

The Lion King video a little less. Because he's half white. Well, you saw that. What's his name?

[Tyler]

Oh, my God. Every meme I saw. Could you not. Could you not look more like an ape than that guy?

[Mike]

He got thrown out for bringing that into the State of Union.

[Tyler]

It's like he's always starting something.

[Dominic]

He's always got thrown out.

[Justin]

Last time, you know, thrown out last year.

[Tyler]

Did he really? What he do last year?

[Mike]

Yelling and screaming and carrying on, and

[Tyler]

he's an Elected official.

[Mike]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah?

[Tyler]

From where? Some Southern state probably Grant sausage says for $5. I meant when Mike and the commie were on screen about the comment made. Not you, big hefe. My apologies, Texas. He was calling you gay, dude, not me.

[Mike]

Oh, that's fine.

[Tyler]

Oh, I think he called you Chad. It was. He was like, there's a gay guy on one side and a commie on the other one. Then he said, there's a Chad on one side. And I mean, as long as you're

[Mike]

talking about, I'll do anything for five bucks, dude. Whatever you want.

[Tyler]

I don't know if you caught it, Izzo. If you came in on time. Mike was screaming, I'm gay.

[Mike]

I'm gay.

[Dominic]

You got a piece that with his

[Mike]

comment this week when he talked about, like. Well, I couldn't get a word in edgewise because he was talking. I wanted to tie the ball gag into the Pennsylvania State police and I couldn't get it out. And I'm not allowed to say unless I'm gay. So I was like, I'm gay. Like, here I am. Now what? Now I can say whatever the I want, dude.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I mean, think about that concept.

[Mike]

Just the. The word is so bad. You have to be just this that you can. It doesn't.

[Justin]

Faggots.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mike]

He said you can't say it's the

[Dominic]

best word on the planet.

[Mike]

We all said south park, man. If south park says it, it's okay.

[Dominic]

Yeah, next explanation ever. Every one of us, at least from the 80s and whatnot, we had friends and our friends were gay or ords.

[Mike]

Correct. South park did a whole episode breaking down the difference. They're like, no, he's not gay. He's just a. Okay at all. He's just a. Right. Like, that's. That's what you said.

[Dominic]

Harley Davidson writers.

[Mike]

Yeah, your sexual orientation.

[Justin]

I mean, what about English calling people cunts?

[Dominic]

Oh, my favorite word. Now do we actually know what the proper acronym of that is?

[Mike]

No, here's.

[Dominic]

No, it's.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dominic]

I thought you're gonna say cps. Everyone confuses. And they say, see you next Tuesday. Which bothers me here is why the word hunt is a universal, phenomenal label for anybody can't understand normal thinking. Cunt.

[Mike]

I love it.

[Tyler]

Great.

[Justin]

I mean, it's perfect because that's what. That's what you're talking about, you cunts. You know, like, like get it through your head. Come on, guys. Like, yeah, I can't pull it off.

[Dominic]

My mother in law is British. Like she's from there. Yeah, I don't have the balls for that one.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dominic]

That man is such a cunt. So many quotes.

[Mike]

No, no,

[Justin]

that's, that's perfect. I. Yeah, I mean I like it. Normal thinking.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I think, I think you know, it's all perspective. Anybody that was critical of Dominic or Dominic perturbed them and got them emotional. I think once you bring on a communist they're like, actually Dominic's not that bad.

[Dominic]

Now there's some weird lately I'm getting some weird Mercury retrograde where I actually couldn't believe it but I've actually people in my comment section going, dude, I used to hate your guts and now I see you're kind of right with and I'm like, I still think you're a piece of but thanks for admitting. Well, yeah, I, I don't.

[Mike]

I, I had that last night. Somebody figured out they liked you last night. It during our show.

[Dominic]

Didn't see that one but.

[Mike]

Oh yeah, somebody.

[Dominic]

You guys posted me making facial expressions on the last reel you put up. Oh, you're signing with Izzo now. It's like, dude, listen to what I. I know it's my fault. They can't get past how I say something and that's why they can't stand me. I'm just loud and that's why they can't stand me.

[Mike]

Well and obviously Tyler, the context clipping is very, very well where Tom, you know, wants all cops to be shot on the spot but when you break it down, I think that's where it gets the narrow mindedness is like when you're going with, you're going in on Aurora, Colorado and those unjust shootings are bad for good shootings. So that shooting is bad for the guy that gets in one. That may be questionable but is okay because now you have so many bad ones. Everybody goes, well they must all be

[Dominic]

and you'll get they cops do not know how to stay silent and defend when they need to be. Case in point is oh, Colorado. Yeah, I would have shot him too. You can't do it. Can't do it. And then when they need to step up to the plate and defend a shooting like all the way on the the west coast with the autistic 17 year old with the knife behind a chain link fence. 100, you light that up. Well, you know there's a fence there and it's, it's, it's just like I got vindicated once again. I took so much, lost thousands of followers with the whole ice ice Ice. I'm like, these tactics are horrible. This is bad policing. Now it's coming out, whistleblowers going, yeah, these are pointing pistols at each other. In training, they can't basically drive cars. I'm going, I've been saying, but they want to die on, yeah, you should shoot a woman who's accelerating a car towards you because they want that same coverage and harrumpness. God forbid they get put through. So it's okay to criticize bad policing because it'll still justify your God forbid you ever have to use it.

[Mike]

Yeah, I agree. And I think that you pointing it out is exactly that, because I know you will absolutely die on the hill on a good shooting. You will go to war for a good shooting all day long, defend it. And we watched one the other day where I thought the kid in Jacksonville was running with the gun. And the guy shot me. Like, great shoot. Like, the kid's got a gun, he's pointing it back. We're like, I'm not gonna risk getting. And just, you know. And it's like, people are like, no, it's. Oh, hates cops.

[Dominic]

And I'm like, I get the other side of it, too. I get like. Like, I did. I. I got the deputy chief of that department that was involved with the shooting with the kid. With a kid, 17, autistic, with the knife. He texts me. He goes, thank you for doing that video. We're taking a lot of here. And I'm die died on that hill. I'm like, this is a great shooting. It was lawfully justified, needed. And people. Oh, you're calling for cops to murder. So I can't win. You know, it's like, you know, the racist. I'm so racist.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mike]

The point that you're talking. My biggest point to all this, just like the communist that comes on is it's generating conversation and it's getting it out there, where normally people are just going to ignore it. And they need to know, like, Sal shooting, you need to know that you can do everything right and still go down. You're pointing it out all the time. And then you need to see, like, hey, man, you just can't shoot a guy because you're not physically fit. You have no other tools in your belt, and you just go, well, it. I'm killing this guy. Like, you have to find that ground, and they all have to be exposed.

[Dominic]

I'm very curious because about two minutes before I got on, I posted a recap of a Mustang, Oklahoma, police shooting. A female shows up on scene Mental health subject tases him, doesn't do anything because the taser doesn't complete the circuit. And then she shoots him. And the police chief says, well, it appeared in the video he had something in his hands. And the chief said, well, his words exactly. It appeared as if Barbosa was going to potentially cause the officer harm. That is the best amount of work. Like so he didn't display that he was going to. And then when asked, when asked what was in his hands, well, at the time, Officer Wright had no idea what was in his hands. And later the investigation turned out to be a pair of gloves. So you just said, now cops can show up and go, I don't know what you got on you. I can light you up now.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I, and I push this back on the guys saying that or like this, the two A guys that want to carry a gun around and get into a. Let's say you see somebody getting assaulted in a grocery store and you want to pull your two A concealed carry out and some cop runs that come around the corner and he's going to smoke you. And that's. You're trying to interject in doing the right thing here. You have, you can't. That's like saying, well, I stopped this car and it's got dark tinted windows. I assume the guy had a 50 cal right behind the window. So I just lit up the car right ahead just to get it out of the way. You have to, you have to make sure. Now there are times when you can't make sure. We all see the jokes, the kids pulling their cell phones out and I handed my ID to the little cop. There's, they're making a mockery of it. But there are going to be times when in a high tension, hot, rapidly evolving situation where a guy reaches for something that does look like a gun, that's the one we want to defend when it looks really good. Not like he kind of thought that he might have. Should have known that it might have been a gun. That's not the one we want to die on.

[Dominic]

It's going to be even harder when everybody and their mother on the street now is afraid of their own shadow.

[Mike]

Yeah, no, I agree. Well, they're not trained and they're scared to death of the job. That's a huge problem. They were seeing it every day. That the one we pointed out this morning, we were talking about the female that's not even a cop anymore but still represents herself.

[Dominic]

That's the last I'm making this public announcement. If You're a female or you know, a female cop. All of you. Anybody who doesn't know, believe it or not, I'm really not anti female cop. I'm anti this generation of female cops. They're embarrassing. And every time, you know, because I've said it before, I've got a video up from a couple years ago where I go over the concept of female cops, everything on duty. But then again, so do male cops. So I can't. I. Every criticism I have for them can be applied to males. But yesterday I reach out to abroad because people love sending me all the time and they love going, dude, do something on this person, this person. And I contacted a brand new Baltimore cop two days ago and she's like the Latina with the thickness and. And I slide in her DMs. I go, listen, people are looking at your private stuff, sharing it with me and you gotta stop. I'm like, you're hot. Be a whore, do whatever you want, but don't risk your career. And she's like, oh, thank you, I saw that, blah, blah. So I'm going out of my way to help them. Like there's some I just won't light up. Go yesterday to tell this one, listen, you can't post online. Too, too young to do this, too fat to be a stripper, have to go to work and wear the uniform. I go, I don't want to see you get in trouble. And she puts you rights back this well. Yeah, like I know and I've done the job and I'm integrity you. I'm not helping you anymore. You guys, y' all sink or swim

[Mike]

you until they end up on the. Listen, I've been drugged through the mud on the stand. And actually one of the rulings in my favor just got overturned by the 4th DTA. Everybody that said what they said, I'll do the episode on that. But you have no idea what it's like. I've say time and time again, most cops don't end up on the stand for anything but a traffic ticket. It in general, most street cops will not end up in a homicide case.

[Dominic]

What'd you do?

[Mike]

Well, I got there and I saw the guy dead. And then the detectives took over. All right, you know, I did the crime scene log or something very minor. When you get drug on the stand. I was on the stand for two straight days going over a 700 page wiretap affidavit. It sucks. And then when they have, hey, what about this picture? You had 17 beer glasses at A bar. Like, did you drive home that night? What'd you do that night? What'd you do? How'd you get home? And then you got this picture and that picture. It's yes, you just brought up a great point.

[Dominic]

We need cameras in every single courtroom in America all the way from traffic site traffic citations to domestics to the Walmart thefts. You want to see how stupid police officers are? Watch the morons who are majority of them who can't testify.

[Mike]

Yeah. And you put them in the hands. It's a great thing because what do they. Most cops are scared to stand up in front of the class, introduce themselves at this generation. They're scared to stand up in an academy atmosphere and say, hi, I'm a Michael Dillson from New Jersey and I, I want to be, I want to help people and I want to be a cop. They're terrified. Now. Go into a courtroom with 12 jurors, you have never seen TV cameras and all that and you're twerking on camera talking about, I didn't get cracked last night so I wrote a ticket and they're going to play that in front you're.

[Dominic]

I want to know how stupid with today and how they use chat GPT to write reports and I want to see them testify because there's a big difference. For those who don't know, you're not allowed to have your report and you have to testify from memory. And the how I really want to know. Like I never thought about this. You go to, you go to a court case, it could have been a retail theft, could have been a domestic. You study your report, study report. You fresh. Remember you're sitting there waiting to be called up on stand seven hours later. And then you don't have the luxury of having your report and you have to match what went on on the scene to your report. How do you do that when A, you speak ebonics and then B, your report is written in like the queen's English. And you put those things together, you can't be on the stand. Well, I seen him do this, so I asked him a question. It's like, how do you really articulate.

[Mike]

The defense attorney goes, well, you wrote in your report that you observed a male with a jacket and you peacefully walked over. Where's that person at? Like, where's the person that wrote this? That doesn't sound the same. Did you write your report or did you, was it accurate or did you fabricate this or did somebody write it for you? Because I'm coming From the days when we all used to sit around, write our use for force reports together. How many times did you hit him in the head?

[Tyler]

Make sure we get this straight.

[Mike]

But imagine you get up there and speak in front of everybody. The defense attorney goes, well, your report reads far differently. You're like, who wrote this? Did you write it? I mean, Rock wrote it. Yeah, it was a problem.

[Dominic]

A lot of stupid cops.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Tyler]

Ted, My own regular guy says, tell people that are triggered by Dominic are upset because they talks about negatively applies to them. What he talks about negatively applies to them. Yeah, obviously somebody critiques you or you're not even direct. Let's say, Dom, you're Dominic. You're not really perspective, like going after someone specifically. You're just talking about a general thing. And I'm doing it. I might have two, one of two reactions. I'm either gonna go, he's right, or I'm gonna go, this dude, I don't like him because he's saying what I'm doing is wrong.

[Dominic]

Everything I critique, it's so. I wish I could explain this because nobody can get an insight where my head is when I'm watching a video. It's not going to make sense to people. I'm yelling at myself when I watch somebody shoot somebody for a pair of gloves or, or they couldn't take him into custody with a taser, or they have a baton in one hand, a taser in the other. I'm putting myself in that scenario going, you dumb. What would you do that. So it's really a. They shouldn't take it personally. And I, I'm blown away at everybody who keeps accusing me. Israel thinks he's the God of law enforcement. Never once have I ever. Yeah, I was a great.

[Mike]

I think that's one of the most.

[Justin]

He looks like Zeus.

[Mike]

He does look like a guy I saw. Yeah, the, the, the Hair timer video the other day. But I think that's one of the most common things that's misunderstood is they think you're telling everybody that you're better than them and they don't understand, oh my God. You're speaking from the perspective as if that were you in that scene, how upset you would be with the actions. Not because you're better, but because you're putting yourself in that real world situation going, holy, why did I fire my taser 11 times and drive this? Done this guy 11 times when it's obviously not working like, things like that. I think you're extremely misunderstood in that respect.

[Justin]

Let's start putting Dom Dominic's head on the people that he's talking about.

[Mike]

Yeah, and yell at yourself.

[Justin]

You'll be like, you idiot.

[Mike]

What the is wrong? So stop looking at her tits. This is a different video. Stop looking at her tits.

[Dominic]

He's six foot eight now and in a squad car with a parade of ribbons on his chest talking about a scene that never happened.

[Justin]

It's like a South park jib jab like with like the head bouncing around.

[Mike]

Well, we appreciate you coming on Dominic.

[Tyler]

Yeah, man. Never a dull moment with Dominic is

[Justin]

where are do the izzo was right.

[Dominic]

Is that a shirt?

[Mike]

That is a shirt on the website.

[Dominic]

Oh yeah.

[Mike]

Use code ANTIHER15. You can get your izzo was right T shirt.

[Tyler]

I would love a short piece.

[Dominic]

And if you go there with the gay frogs, you have to understand that these elitists are having sex with each other behind chambers and Donald Trump is one of them. And Obama and Donald Trump are actually brothers who are conceived by the same interdimensional alien being that came down from this planet and implanted frog gay embryos into the brains of the people on Congress floor.

[Eric]

You have to understand this is what's happening.

[Justin]

Amazing.

[Mike]

We appreciate it, Dominic. Thank you so much.

[Justin]

Dude.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Justin]

Interdimensional. Interdimensional impregnating.

[Mike]

Really, really good. Any follow up to that?

[Justin]

Anything you got to say?

[Mike]

I mean what do you think?

[Tyler]

About Alex Jones?

[Mike]

No, about like Dominic's view on things like why people on him when he's actually like.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

He says the things that he wants you to think about.

[Tyler]

I think that was a good point. Was it you that brought it up? Is that as people are getting. Was it one of you guys brought up? It was that the, the fact that people are thinking he's coming at me.

[Justin]

Well, it was, it was Ted.

[Mike]

What's up Ted?

[Tyler]

Okay. Yeah. Oh yeah. Dominic, every time he did something would have to say I'm an idiot and I did all this stuff in worse beforehand comma yeah.

[Mike]

But he does by the way out there he tells you all the dumb he did.

[Justin]

But, but we're looking at it from a social media perspective where someone's getting forwarded their first ISO video.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So it's I, I, it happened to

[Tyler]

me a couple years ago. I saw an is a video and I'm like who the is this misogynist sexist? And then I did the job for five years. I'm talking like five, six years ago. I saw it and I'm like dude, there's no way this guy is gonna last online. He's just blasting female cops. He was. I'm telling you, in from my memory, Dominic Izzo actually is a little bit more tamer than he used to be. If I.

[Mike]

Way, way, way more.

[Tyler]

So I'm right.

[Mike]

Yeah. He's calmed it way down.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

He said the.

[Tyler]

The.

[Mike]

The word. And I saw BC's favorite words.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I remember seeing him going, there's no way this guy's gonna be around. There's just no way.

[Mike]

Everything he's done, too. He's been on, like, major news networks. Yeah. He's been on his own news show Monday through Friday. Radio, podcast, television. He's done everything. And I heard. First heard him was like two years ago. I'm like, what the Is that annoying noise coming out of my wife's phone? And it's his voice.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I'm like, jesus Christ, this guy's got a opinion about it. And I just didn't pay attention. And then I. I reached out to him one day because we had a common enemy. We started talking. I'm like, this dude's got it figured out. Like, he's. He's willing to say the things that nobody else is willing to say, even a little more than me and I, you know?

[Tyler]

And now you're that voice on somebody's phone.

[Dominic]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Think about it like that.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That just posted me on Copville.

[Tyler]

This.

[Mike]

I was just dancing. This guy really loves war.

[Ryan]

War.

[Mike]

So speaking of war, there was a little. There was some controversy came out about VA, VA benefits and how they were going to weaponize the ratings.

[Dominic]

And.

[Mike]

And if you're taking medication to. Against you. So we got our buddy Nick Prowl coming on to kind of clear that up for us. And he's wearing a great hat.

[Tyler]

Oh, God. Nick, my dog.

[Mike]

What's going on, buddy? Oh, he's on. You're on mute. Hold on. Lewis has got to unfuck it. It might be you.

[Tyler]

No, it's on his end.

[Mike]

Check your ringer. Maybe you're on mute.

[Justin]

He's at war with his audio.

[Mike]

Nope. He has no volume. You have no volume. Nothing's coming into us.

[Justin]

Right at the reconnect.

[Mike]

There it goes. Go ahead. Good. Thank you. Thanks for coming on, Nick.

[Nick]

Yeah. Hey, guys. Hopefully I don't get flame this time. I know I rough feathers last Tyler already Flames.

[Mike]

I don't know if you can hear it. What about his hat?

[Tyler]

Oh, and he's wearing his cool guy marine shirt.

[Mike]

So give us an update. Give us an update on this VA bill and if it's real, if it's not or what we have to expect.

[Nick]

So back in mid February, they passed a, a bill changing how they're going to evaluate the claims based on like your symptoms if you're taking medication. So this is like for people who are putting in their first claims, if you get put in for reevaluation, you're going to get hit with it. They haven't said if they're going to enforce it or not. There's been a bunch of hearsay. They made a statement about it. But basically what's going on is, is they're trying to say that, say like for all of us who have back issues, if you've got back issues, if you've got mental health issues, if you get headaches and you're taking medication and it's making your disability better, they want to pay you based off of the symptoms that you're having after medication. So medications that.

[Mike]

This is more gonna. The way I read it. If you're 100 total and, and you're good, this is for guys in that 70, 80, 90 range that are on medication. They're trying to back you down from that and start removing some of those percentages to save money per se.

[Nick]

Yeah. So for guys like me, when you're going to the VA and you're getting help, they're constantly documenting all this stuff. Every couple years you'll probably go in for re evaluation for a lot of these things and they'll take the notes from those exams saying, oh, well, you weren't sleeping before you were on this medication. You're sleeping better now. So we're going to drop you from 70 to 50 or 50 to 30. So it's for the guys that like me who aren't gonna, I guess with the system and sit in there and try to get 100 because we don't feel like we really need it. We're happy with the care that we're getting and we're happy with the money that we're receiving for it. A lot of us are like using that money to help with our own lives and make things easier for us in the long term. And they're threatening to take it away.

[Mike]

So I mean, essentially you could go in there and be like, hey, I had a good week last week. I've been feeling a little better. They're like, sorry, you're which. But it affects you because if you, if you. Here's where the problem lies. In my opinion. If, especially let's say mental health, the medication is helping, but you can't go tell Them it's helping, so they may change it or diagnose you or add medication. Now you're like, well, I really don't need more. I'm doing well. But if I tell them I'm doing well, I'm in fear of. I have to be in fear of losing my benefits. Is that kind of where you see it?

[Nick]

Yeah, it puts us in a pinch because you can't say anything like, you should be able to talk to your private. Your PCP about any medication issues, anything that you're seeing, like, oh, I'm actually able to sleep now. If you tell them that, they could use that against you. But if you don't tell them that, like you said before, they could change the medication, they could increase it. It could screw you up bad.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, I never even thought about that. If you're taking medicine to make yourself better and you can't tell your doctor how that medicine is impacting you, that is very dangerous for you as the person taking the medicine. That being said, if you go, hey, Doc, this is working, the VA goes,

[Mike]

let me get that back. And here's where it's up. I didn't even think of this till just now. When you're going for a rating, anything you say to your primary carer in VA healthcare doesn't apply.

[Eric]

You have to go through that whole,

[Mike]

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're telling me. Only it doesn't. I can go in there and be like, yep, you have sleep apnea. Yep, you have mental health issues, but you don't have the claims in yet. So we're not worried about that. You can't get any benefits. You have to go file separate. But you're telling me back backwards, though. If I go into that hearing or that doctor's point, that's supposed to be confidential. I'm here with my therapist, and I say something that VA can use, they can dig it out of there and go. Go against you. That seems like a completely backwards system.

[Nick]

They made a statement two days ago saying that they wouldn't use it. And this is what Mike sent me yesterday. They made a statement saying that they won't use this after backlash that they got. My issue with that is if they don't formally rescind that, anybody who's in charge of the VA in the future can use that against us.

[Mike]

They don't have to tell you they're doing it either. They can just go like, hey, go. Go check this guy out and see what you know, do an evaluation on him.

[Nick]

They can do whatever they want. Because it's the va. So for them to not rescind it formally puts us at a big risk. And I don't want to fear Monger and I want to scare anybody, but what.

[Tyler]

No, it's true, I'll be doing is

[Nick]

going to the VA on the website, putting in a public comment saying, we want this formally rescinded. Otherwise, I mean, you got to load a gun on the table.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah. And they have been doing that because I remember when I went in for something, I was. I was asking to be evaluated for something else, and they said, well, now that we have you, we need you to come in for this. And they never said what it was for. The VA is very good at fogging the battlefield. Whether it's intentional or unintentional. It's. There's a lot of confusion going on when you're. When you're in the middle of a claim or trying to seek treatment. And they said, we need you to come in for this. So I went into the va, like the actual hospital, thought I was getting seen by something else. And I'm like, why are we talking about my mental health? It's because they were re evaluating me for one of my claims. Luckily, I was truthful and honest. And I remember someone telling me something one day. I was. I told them what was going on, and they were like, okay, everything sounds pretty much the same to you. Had I felt the need, as a straight white male that we always do, to go, I'm good, everything's good. I'm fine.

[Justin]

I.

[Tyler]

You know, as men, we don't walk around. Our closest. Our closest. Our best friends are our wives. And we're not going to walk around and tell our wives how weak we are and how we feel vulnerable at times. We're not going to tell our buddies that because we build businesses together, we work together, so we're conditioned to being like, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Until you put me six feet under, I'm good. You go tell that to the VA when you don't know you're being reevaluated for something, you're going to lose a lot of your benefits.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's not. You're not doing. And when, you know, obviously mental health comes and goes. It's not like every day you're one way or every day you're not one way. And if you're, like you said, you happen to be, everything's going well right at that moment. Everything doesn't mean your mental health has Changed. Your condition has changed. But if you go in there, like, yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm good. I'm having a great. And they take that as always. Better. Like, well, that's.

[Nick]

Let's not, let's not forget the elephant in the room here. If you're on medication and you're receiving disability and they tell you, well, since you're on medication, we're going to drop you. That causes a lot of issues with a lot of dudes who. I mean, I know a bunch of dudes who are psychotic when they're off meds. What's the gonna say, well, I won't take my meds.

[Mike]

Yeah. So I can stay unhinged and then keep my benefits. Like, that's what I'm saying. You got a bunch of guys running around going, I'm not going to take my meds, so I'm bad that way. VA doesn't take. That's just a dangerous way. And like, why did they drum. Why drum that up?

[Tyler]

Kudos to the government. They've already figured out a way. They figured out a way still.

[Nick]

So they've been employing what they're saying. There's been a couple cases, I, I can't remember the names of the cases where they got caught doing this. They went to Congress to get the bigger stick so they can do it officially, but they were already doing this to people. They just got checked in appeals.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

So like I said, I mean, we already don't trust the VA as a whole. It's a corrupt system. There's. There's good people in the va. There are. There's also a lot of. And a lot of bad, Bad actors in the va, so why should we give them any more leverage against us to take our away.

[Mike]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think. Other than like a broken leg or something like that heel. Because I remember, like, if you lose a limb or if you have a catastrophic injury, you can get 100 paid benefits. When you're not rated at 100, let's, you know. And then once you're better, they go, okay, you're not 100 anymore.

[Nick]

I would say that's misinformation. I know dudes without legs that are getting like 70, right?

[Mike]

Yeah, I think there's a. Yeah, no, I know. That's what I'm saying, because it's one. If it's one limb yet.

[Dominic]

It's.

[Mike]

The rating system is crazy. But I'm saying when I spoke to somebody, they were like, you can get. We can file for the 100 payment without being rated 100. But you're not 100. Yeah, but why would we ever encourage you to take, they should never be taking things away. And my point was being if you break your leg and you temporarily get 50 and your leg heals and you go back to full in your hypothetically I can see where they're like, okay, you're back, you're running, you're fine, you don't need that. But in any other method, when you start dabbling in mental health, when we have all these programs and all these initiatives, 22, all those things, why would you ever dabble with veterans mental health is that to me is insane to even start down that path.

[Nick]

Well, I mean we had the, the other Marine that was on earlier. That's just living proof that,

[Tyler]

hey, we've never, we've never asked a Marine on this show. Trust me. Marines have gone out of their way to tell us how that, how up Ryan is to their, to their there. But what as a Marine, a very close knit brotherhood. Something that I envy. I tried to be a Marine. I had a tattoo that's coming out of my T. I couldn't in 2007, they wouldn't let me. So my intentions were I, I love Marines. I really do. Marines, just whether or not you're an active shooter or you're elected official in government, everybody still says they were a Marine. They make it a point because being a Marine is so special and so significant. And I also love the fact that there's nothing, there's no X Marine, there's no former Marine. He's a Marine. Like I said, the worst people in the world, an active shooter. They're not going to say a Marine's not going to say he was an ex Marine. They're saying he's a Marine. We denounce him, but he's a Marine. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

I promise. Any infantry men in the Marines worth his salt, former or prior active duty, if you tell them they're a former Marine, you're gonna have a bad time.

[Justin]

I know that for sure.

[Mike]

I've heard that a lot.

[Nick]

What were you gonna ask though, Tyler?

[Tyler]

What, what's your take on him as one marine to another, you know, on the communist guy. Yeah,

[Nick]

I'm gonna be careful here because I want to get a job in the future, but people have their rights to their opinions. You can do whatever you want. I don't have any issues with people who are gay or choose to be gay, whatever. Just keep the away from me. Don't jam it down my throat. And I won't jam my beliefs down your throat because I have some beliefs that I'm sure offline we could talk about. I can't talk about on the show because I'd get you guys in trouble and I'd get myself in trouble. But I mean, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him. And I'm sure if he talked the way he does now while he was in, he would have had multiple tree line sessions. I can only speak for the infantry, but that would not last very long.

[Tyler]

He probably did not have a good go in the Marine Corps.

[Dominic]

No.

[Mike]

He claims back then he was, he

[Tyler]

was, he was radicalized. Yeah.

[Mike]

He was a conservative.

[Nick]

Well, guys like that, there's wild people in the Marine Corps, people that I've never thought would even make it as far as they did. A lot of times what happens is they go to the chaplain and they get an ETS and they, they end their service early because they, they're nuts, dude. I mean, I wouldn't want that dude next to me.

[Tyler]

I. Yeah.

[Nick]

What was his job?

[Mike]

We never found out.

[Tyler]

I don't. I think we did. I just think it was very unimpressive. But I could be wrong. Maybe we did not hear his job. Either way, as a representative of the 99, right now you're sitting here, we see a lot of people give their opinions and we can't address them all the time. But as somebody, when you say, like, oh, don't, don't force that on me or something. Is it. Do you find it okay. And you can be brutally honest.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

That the anti hero broadcast uses him as a contributor and a talking point and gives him a platform. Or, or is that something that you wish we didn't do?

[Nick]

I think it's all right. I mean, I ever. Like I said, it's a free country. If you want to talk about what you want to talk about, I can't stop you and I won't stop you. I'm a libertarian, so you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting people people. Now, the second he says some stupid about Mogadishu, I don't know if you saw in the comments earlier, I got really pissed off because I have family that bled and fought in Mogadishu in 1993 and they're fighting drug issues to this day. And so that. That thing I don't agree with at all. I don't like him bashing other vets as being bro vets or whatever. I I think that he should shut the up and stay in his lane.

[Mike]

And what I find interesting is he protects the cage. Me know I'll fly. He protects a certain class of people or his own belief people, but then everybody else can get it. You know what I'm saying?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

It's like, you can't say. You can't talk about this. That the other. But I can say you guys are all a bunch of, like, the government.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Like cis white male.

[Mike]

Yeah. That's where it's like, if you're gonna say it, I'm cool. Say whatever you want. But I'm gonna say whatever I want, too. That was my biggest argument, is like, I would.

[Nick]

I would love for him to go to Camp Lejeune or Camp Pendleton, go in front of the 6th Marine Regiment or even the first of the fifth in California and say what he says and. And see what that. What that gets him.

[Mike]

He wouldn't last long, huh?

[Nick]

I don't think he would. I mean, it lasted about his. It would last less than his career in the Marines, so. But, I mean, that's wild. That's wild.

[Justin]

In the comments, he goes, yeah, tree line there or tree line counseling or.

[Mike]

Or whatever.

[Nick]

Yep.

[Justin]

Is what he said.

[Eric]

All the while.

[Tyler]

All the wall, buddy, while we have you here, I think the Samuel Ting. I thought I like saying his name. Samuel Ting, like Daniel Son, but same thing. We have to just admit that our government hates us. Appreciate you boys. This. I. That came in when we were talking about the V.A. okay. So. Wanted to get his super chat, and

[Mike]

actually, I mean, I'm West Palm. They're actually very good, man. Like, I know everybody's playing. The location is different. Yeah, they've been. My knee is in great shape right now. I've never been better.

[Tyler]

Shut up, Mike. Every experience Mike has, he wins.

[Nick]

Don't. Don't get me wrong. I'm. I'm a part of the problem. I go to the VA Quite a bit, but.

[Tyler]

No, you should. You should. You're an infantry, I'm assuming. And I'm so. So. So I don't ask these questions. I assume you deployed.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You are in the infantry, and you deployed in a combat zone. You have. You should be front line. That should be a. A line. A fast pass. Were you in combat arms? Okay. Were you in the infantry? And then. Okay. Were you deployed to a combat zone? And I. And I'm not taken away from people that didn't do those things at all. But there should be a priority process, and anybody with a sane Brain would say, yeah, I picked fuel specialist because I didn't want to have to deal with this later. That guy over there that's got extreme PTSD or has a mobile issues in his right arm from an explosion, that guy deserves it, man. I chose fuel specialists for a reason, dude. Like, I got. I need my 10 for tinnitus, but that's it, dude. Like, you know, and normal people get that. It's when you say, oh, there should be a fast pass for a Marine grunt that deployed to a combat zone. If anybody disputes that, really. And we all know it wouldn't happen, first off, they're never gonna do that. But the idea of it, anybody that disputes that, it's kind of like, well, then what's your prerogative, dude? Like, you, Pogue. No, I'm just kidding.

[Nick]

Yeah, I. I agree with that. I don't think that that would ever happen, but I don't think anything less of dudes who didn't get the chance to. I mean, I have a lot of friends that. That haven't, and they're. They're more badass than I am, I think.

[Mike]

Yeah, but I mean, yeah, obviously we should take care of our vets, and you're. What you're doing counseling and all that, attempting to get into that social work for vet. We. All the things we're doing to help veterans. The last thing we should do is put a loophole to pull their benefits back. Yeah, that should be. I don't even know why that even gets onto a piece of paper or. Or through somebody's mouth to even start to talk about that. If you're gonna just investigate each individual person. If you think there's some type of whatever, then that's fine. But don't put, like, all the way through to a law or an initiative to, like, let's remove. That's like.

[Nick]

Yeah, I think that it's. It's just a up situation right now. And anybody who is collecting disability, anybody who's got a voice to the VA or even your local congressman's, like, write to them, text them, take 10 minutes out of your day. I did it.

[Mike]

Hopefully we're right where they pulled it back, and they're gonna not do it. And if we hit. If anybody listening knows, anybody that gets screwed by that or they start screwing with them, please get them in touch with us so we can make it known and get it out there that this is actually happening, because we will blast it for sure, because we do not.

[Tyler]

We are Ass Blaster podcast down the throat earlier According to Rob o', Neill,

[Nick]

I just want them to get off the wall, man. Like, I don't want that to even be an option. So if we can get them to publicly rescind it by overwhelming force of people coming to the VA and saying, this is what you're gonna do, I think that they'll do it. They'll listen. Because the last thing they want is, and I'm sure you've seen it, you go into the VA and you see some dude freaking out in the va, police take him away. I promise you, just about every single dude who's getting benefits, if they do that too, that's what's gonna happen. And they just don't power to stop it.

[Mike]

Yep. Well, Nick, we appreciate coming on. Give us that update, and we appreciate the support, man. You're. You're the. You're the man. You got about five war hats, so you're good in my book. Yeah, he bought the newest one with the. With the 99 logo on the back.

[Nick]

Oh, I screwed up because I bought.

[Mike]

He ordered it the next day I dropped a new one. He's like, damn it.

[Eric]

Yeah, I gave him.

[Mike]

I gave him a coupon for like 15 bucks off.

[Nick]

Thanks for having me on, boys.

[Dominic]

Yes, sir.

[Mike]

Thank you so much, man. We appreciate it, buddy.

[Nick]

Received than the last one. Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah. It's hard, man. People find something to talk about, dude.

[Tyler]

Hey, I tell everybody, man, you got on this show and myself included, when they get introduced to this green skull right here, this white skull in a green hat, everybody goes under some kind of weird scrutiny or some weird hazing process before the group accepts them. So just being your second time on. But I had thinking it wasn't my show. When they found the show, they were like, who's this in the flat Bill Hat?

[Mike]

Not only that, sunglasses. Not only that. If tomorrow is the one year anniversary of the Crenshaw episode, me, you, and Reagan. Because I lost Copville, tomorrow's one year that I lost the main page. And I remember reading back like, oh, this cop feels a piece of. Like, it's. Yeah, it's tough when you're not. Yeah, yeah, it's tough.

[Tyler]

Mike got it. And Justin, they spared Justin.

[Mike]

Everybody likes Justin.

[Tyler]

There's certain people like Jamie and Justin and everybody associated, they just get a pass. Dude. They're not con. Just. You're not a very controversial dude.

[Mike]

I'm not.

[Justin]

You don't.

[Tyler]

You don't go out there and piss people off for a living. That's not your prerogative. So I really feel like, most people are like, no, they're good. But when you say something that someone

[Justin]

disagrees with you, I just feed them sweet treats.

[Tyler]

Yeah. All right, Nick, we'll see you hopefully soon, man. Whenever you got an update, just let us know.

[Nick]

Sure, dog. Thank you.

[Mike]

Yes, sir, man. Thank you.

[Nick]

See you later.

[Tyler]

All right, we're nearing the end of the show, guys.

[Mike]

Starving.

[Tyler]

How did you guys like that? That is kind of the new. The new format of the show. Lots of contributors, less on, less on me and Mike to have to find things to A, talk about and B, go on forever about.

[Mike]

Give us, give us some feedback on that. Obviously, Tuesdays is Patreon. That's just you and I run our mouths. Friday's kind of laid back, same kind of thing, casual Friday, Wednesday's a guest. So Mondays and Thursdays, we're going to try to fill it like that, like, Like a news network. Guys, got 15 minutes. Pop in, give us, give us a topic, give us something to talk about. And that's kind of where we're headed with that.

[Justin]

Well, and it's so like. And if you look at it on the, the podcast side of the house, you know, you got to sit there and you gotta. You gotta have a guest talk for a whole hour or something like that to be a podcast. So it's like if somebody come in on a topic and talk for 15 minutes, you could put. You could stack four of them together and you've got an hour.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Justin]

You know, and then. And, and you guys fill with consistent conversation.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You know, you get SMEs in. I, I, we talk about it. At the end of the day, me and Mike can't know everything. We can't know everything. So that's why we have the SMEs. But you are now being roped into adjusting. Aquapunk says, who's that douchebag on the couch?

[Eric]

I got one.

[Tyler]

And cece says, aqua, he's some guy that reviews donuts.

[Mike]

Damn it. After two years of almost. Almost two years of knowing Justin, he's finally. I'm recording a donut shop podcast today for the first time.

[Tyler]

Justin just wanted to wait the last one.

[Mike]

He must be really low on talent at this point.

[Justin]

That's the biggest thing I'm trying to tell you. We've got this counterculture network, and I could sit here and do a merry go round of, of. Of 15 different guests, and I'd be done for the year or whatever with just counterculture folks. But, you know, I want to bring in other people, and I prefer in person, face to face ones and times.

[Mike]

Just.

[Tyler]

It's not you, it's him.

[Mike]

I know. I only live. You know, I live like an hour from Justin. It's not like, you know, you could have had me down south.

[Tyler]

I can. I don't want you to think it's your lack of talent. It's just me, but I'm just.

[Mike]

I might decline. I still got 30 minutes to back out, so.

[Justin]

I'm gonna get a flat tire.

[Mike]

I think I got an emergency.

[Tyler]

Tyler, I'm at the gas station. I'm not coming back.

[Mike]

Oh, dude, I just got arrested.

[Eric]

Sorry, man.

[Mike]

Hold down the fort for me tonight.

[Justin]

But yeah, he's going to get a protein.

[Mike]

Oh, don't forget about tonight. I'm glad you said that. Only on the Counterculture Network tonight at 8pm The Night Shift with Justin, me, you, and we have a Patreon Patreon guest coming in the studio tonight.

[Eric]

Sweet.

[Mike]

We'll get our pepperoni pizza.

[Tyler]

Yeah, man. Pepperoni.

[Mike]

Yeah. We're have a good time tonight. Breaking down videos. Justin will be here. Guest will be here. So let's be producing.

[Tyler]

Go to YouTube and subscribe to Counterculture, Inc.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

That way you get the notification that we're live.

[Mike]

Bring the Rubik's Cube tonight, Louis.

[Nick]

I'll be there.

[Tyler]

All right, guys, that's it for today. We'll be filming content all day here at the the studio. But we will see you tonight at 8pm Eastern Standard Time on Counterculture, Inc. Network.

[Justin]

Can we pepper spray you, Louis?

[Mike]

No. No. All right, y' all take care.

[Nick]

All right.

[Tyler]

Jv team for life.