NYPD Hangs One of Their Own OUT TO DRY (04/13/2026)

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: "NYPD Hangs One of Their Own OUT TO DRY"

Aired: April 13, 2026
Hosts: Tyler and Mike (The Antihero Podcast)
Special Guest: John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant, Host of Finest Unfiltered Podcast)
Intended Audience: Veterans, first responders, blue-collar Americans

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Episode Overview

In this hard-hitting episode, the hosts dig into the controversial conviction and imprisonment of NYPD Sergeant Eric Duran for the death of Eric Dupree, a drug suspect who died during an arrest after Duran threw a cooler at him on a moped. The show examines the wider trend of law enforcement officers being “hung out to dry” by their departments and the justice system, particularly in liberal cities like New York. Former NYPD Lt. John Makari joins to provide inside perspective, discussing police culture, union action (or inaction), and the toll of politics on policing. The episode is peppered with candid banter, policing war stories, blue-collar news, and unfiltered commentary—a rollercoaster covering both the camaraderie and frustration of frontline work.

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Major Discussion Points & Key Segments

1. Use of Force & Internal Police Accountability

Timestamps: 03:45 – 14:45

• The hosts revisit controversial recent bodycam and citizen video footage, comparing a Texas officer punching a resisting woman in the face to the more lethal “bat shooting” (an incident in which officers shot a suspect wielding a baseball bat).
• Quote [06:48, Mike]: "Cops are seeing 15 second video clips and they're just murdering their coworkers. Which is exactly what I'm saying. I'm guilty of it."
• Debate: Does internal and civilian review clear use-of-force incidents fairly, or are outcomes swayed by internal politics, popularity, or community demographics?
• Emphasis on the difference between police use of necessary force (within policy) and the optics/public perception of those actions.
• Scenario discussion: What should chiefs/sheriffs do when presented with "ugly" but technically legal officer conduct? (e.g., trust command staff? Delegate to boards?)

2. Weapon Lethality: Bat vs. Blade

Timestamps: 15:24 – 22:16

• Hosts explore whether a bat or edged weapon poses a greater immediate threat, challenging the instinct to treat knives as uniquely deadly while bats can cause similar—or worse—injury.
• Quote [16:56, Mike]: "If we go into a room and there's a knife and a bat, and they give me first choice...I'm taking the bat."
• Extensive discussion of taser effectiveness in real life vs. theory, referencing international and U.S. cases where less-lethal tactics failed.
• Calls for realism about escalation and use-of-force, critical of mandatory de-escalation policies that don't fit violent, rapidly evolving incidents.

3. NYPD’s Sergeant Eric Duran: Breakdown of the Case

Timestamps: 24:02 – 33:54, 37:14 – 40:55

• Guest segment with John Makari
• Makari gives a detailed account of the episode: undercover narcotics team bust, suspect (Dupree) flees on moped (helmetless, reckless on crowded NYC sidewalk). Duran throws a cooler at him; Dupree dies.
• The judge (radical, politically appointed) convicts Duran of manslaughter (3–9 years), while another recent case got a 9-month sentence for beating a homeless person to death.
• Quote [30:50, Makari]: “Intentionally beating a homeless person to death, gets nine months. Eric Duran—15 years, unblemished record—gets three to nine years for doing police work.”
• Guest and hosts agree: the trend is for police to be criminally liable for split-second decisions made under duress, regardless of context or public danger.

4. The Chilling Effect: Policing in Anti-Cop Political Climates

Timestamps: 35:19 – 45:45

• Makari and hosts condemn NYPD leadership & unions for lack of solidarity.
• “If Duran is going to jail for untrained moped stops, then nobody should do moped enforcement again.”
• Quote [43:56, Makari]: "When I got dumb orders, I said, yeah, no problem, boss. And then I went out and did what I was going to do anyway... They will replace you in a heartbeat. They'll be hitting on your wife while you're sitting in jail rotten for three to nine years."
• Argue that the only path to change now lies in new political leadership—not likely in NYC, given recent elections.
• Calls for officers to reconsider working under such risk: "Remember, you promised your family you were coming home—not just from being shot, but from not going to prison."

5. Blue-Collar and First Responder Vulnerability (Beyond the Badge)

Timestamps: 91:09 – 96:07

• Hosts highlight how construction and industrial workers also face grave risks and corruption, referencing Philly garage collapse (3 dead) as blue-collar parallel to policing dangers.
• Wry observation: “Where’s the 30 by 30 initiative for construction workers?”

6. Civilian Police Roles, Explorers, and Cadet Programs: New Approaches or Just Risk?

Timestamps: 67:47 – 76:55

• Critique of departments using unarmed civilians for evidence, traffic, prisoner transfer—“What could go wrong?”
• Debate on legal and safety pitfalls: unsworn staff may hear confessions, face violence, and lack the training or authority for real crises.

7. Viral Policing Moments & Social Media Culture

Timestamps: 76:12 – 90:43

• Humor segment: Cops responding to wild viral incidents, including a cop caught on camera using a dating app while staged in tactical gear.
• Deepfakes and AI: The danger of believing first-to-post material; pushing the “24-hour rule” to verify stories.

8. Candid Q&A with Wyatt (Ukraine Correspondent)

Timestamps: 105:41 – 116:17

• Brief Ukraine war update: Russian fuel embargo, ongoing drone warfare, and how global politics (oil price sanctions) circularly impact the frontlines.
• Banter: "Don't die, bro." "Don't tell me what to do, you're not my boss!"

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Notable Quotes

• John Makari [30:50]:
  “Intentionally beating a homeless person to death, gets nine months. Eric Duran—15 years, unblemished record—gets three to nine years for doing police work.”

• Host 2 (Mike) [41:52]:
  “The judge has never had to throw a cooler... The judges never had to walk up to a scene where there's a two year old in a stroller with a bullet in their head and go, ‘oh wow, this is pretty bad.’”

• Makari [43:56]:
  “They will replace you in a heartbeat. They'll be hitting on your wife while you're sitting in jail rotten for three to nine years.”

• Host 1 [47:30]:
  “I think that cops just should leave the job and leave the sheep to slaughter... I don't, I've never seen a profession treat their employees like this.”

• Makari [47:30]:
  “They're just the enforcement arm of whatever political party. They hate it, but it's true. ... They're politicians.”

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Additional Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Scenario Play: Hosts roleplay as captain and sheriff—what would each do if an “ugly” but justified use-of-force case lands on their desk? (12:01 – 14:48)
• Union Leadership Critique: “Where are the unions? Why not say, ‘We’re not doing moped stops anymore if that means jail time?’” (42:17 – 43:56)
• Banter About Equipment: “Which hurts more, wooden or aluminum bat? Wooden bat, trust me.” (107:14 – 107:23)
• Outrage at Social Media Spying: “They’re burning a cop for being on a dating app… If he was texting someone, would they care?” (83:29 – 87:36)
• AI Deepfakes and OnlyFans: Skewering the rise of fake accounts and the ethics of AI content (102:28 – 104:55)
• Regular Show Call-Ins & Patreon Shoutouts: Engaged Patreon user community powering the inside jokes and Q&A.

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Tone & Language

• Gritty, Unvarnished, Candid: The hosts, both ex-cops, use direct language and gallows humor to process anger, frustration, and loyalty to the “job.” There’s abundant swearing and irreverent jokes.
• Blue-Collar Solidarity: Strong emphasis on the value of all working-class jobs—cops, firefighters, nurses, construction, truckers.
• Cynicism Toward Politics: Clear distrust of city leaders, police management, and “woke” priorities that make policing riskier for front-line officers.
• Brotherhood and Nostalgia: Frequent callbacks to the “old way”—more aggressive, less scrutinized policing—as contrasted with today’s “body camera/YouTube” age.

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Key Takeaways

• Modern Policing Is Political: Whether you survive a critical incident depends as much on politics and optics as legality or policy.
• Internal Support Is Often Missing: Departments and unions rarely back embattled officers—the “family” only extends so far.
• No Job Is Truly Safe: The episode ties blue-collar perils (like the Philly garage collapse) to law enforcement risks, underlining how ordinary work can turn deadly in seconds.
• Viral Sensation Is a Double-Edged Sword: Both public outrage and fake news can define a cop’s fate quicker than any trial.
• If You’re Still on the Job—Be Cautious: Don’t trust that you’ll be protected. “Coming home” means avoiding both bullets and prison.

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Further Listening

• Next Episode Tease: Ex-cop-turned-comedian guest, plus a live Q&A with “Tiger King” Joe Exotic, coming Wednesday.
• For more NYPD insight, check out John Makari’s “Finest Unfiltered” podcast (Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, 8:05pm EST on YouTube).

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For blue-collar Americans, this episode is a raw, cautionary take on the price of working the front lines in a nation increasingly hostile to the very people risking their lives to keep it running—on the street or in the shop.

Transcript

[Host 1]

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[Host 2 (Mike)]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2 (Mike)]

That's.

[Host 1]

That's a good time, man. Anytime you got five minutes, you go in those chats. It's a wild time. They got characters made. I saw the newest one was Officer Tyler.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Dilks is there. He's in there, yeah. And also there's a Sheriff in there too.

[Host 1]

There's a sheriff in there now with the actual picture.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I feel like I'm being watched.

[Host 1]

So these guys are all. It's all about fun, man. But. But yeah, Patreon's where we. We post. I haven't done one in probably a week, but I'm just. A couple times I gotta. I gotta post the. The rants and stuff, but to get to know us really. And the easiest thing is to. To get a hold of us. We get messages on Facebook, X Tick Tock, Instagram, and we still check them, but sometimes things fall through the cracks. But Patreon's obviously the one that we. We check the most. So if you got to get a hold of us or you want to collab with us or you want to jump on the show Keto 5 OIC. And then we still got to get you scheduled, brother. But yeah, go to Patreon, man. That's. That's where it's all at. That's where the fun happens.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

So, yeah, the OG Council. Yeah, it's a while is in there. It's.

[Host 1]

Hey, we got a big fan. John Chavius reached out to me actually. He's a huge supporter. He sent me some stuff. Stuff I want to show you later with Nick. All right, but we gotta. The only real reflection I. I know of is, you know, we broke down a couple police. One was a body cam, the other one was a cell phone footage. And we talked about it in the same week where we're. We're breaking down use of force and policy and all this stuff. And we, we broke down one a while back of a woman being punched in the face by. Was it a Texas cop?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

El Paso. El Paso Police Department.

[Host 1]

So we were pretty hard. Mike was pretty hard on him. I was all about it, man. Distractionary blows. Here we go. Best selling shirt on the website. But, you know, I was open, I was listening and you know, it's one of those things. Would you do it? Probably not. But he, you know, I was like. But she was actively resisting. She. We were talking about her being mentally disabled. We were talking about all this stuff. But at the end of the day, she. My argument was she was resisting. And Mike was pretty harsh on this cop and said, you know, we didn't say anything about being fired or anything, but, you know, at least some retraining. He. Mike doesn't think that it looked good. And Sheriff Mike Dilks over here is all of a sudden worried about perception and optics. But here's the. Here's the video of this cop doing what he did and we broke this down. But then here's the side by side of the sheriff, the. Or the chief, maybe El Paso Chief Police Department. Hold on one second. Here we go.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Acted within the law and policy of the El Paso Police Department. That's what I expect my officers to do. The investigation was done by internal affairs use of force. The discipline view board was conducted yesterday, made up of six civilians from the public and six members of the El Paso Police Department. And they found the actions of the officers.

[Host 1]

So that video was shared. And that chief said not only was an internal affairs investigation conducted, but there was also a six civilian panel use of force review board that said this officer was within the law and within policy. Now, that being said, I did bring up the fact that Mike was pretty hard on this guy. But when we talk about the baseball bat shooting, which was, in my eyes, my opinion, a little bit more divided than this video, I think everybody can look at the woman getting punched in the face and be like, yeah, I probably wouldn't do that, but I don't care because she was a menace and it was only a punch. Now I am, I am acknowledging the fact that this debate I'm bringing up, we are talking about a man losing his life and a woman getting punched in the face. Those are two totally separate things. But the premise of your video, Mike, that you made, that was clipped so well by our social media person. You said that cops eat their own. So I just want to watch this becoming CNN, dude.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Cops are seeing 15 second video clips or little clips, and they're just murdering their co workers. Which is exactly what I'm saying. I'm guilty of it. Dead.

[Host 1]

I mean, you see me there. I'm holding myself accountable.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

But yeah, so I'm ready. I'm great. I'm glad you brought this all up.

[Host 1]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Because I got something to spin off into the bat one as well. So those two officers, they were Hispanic.

[Host 1]

Could you tell El Pat, they all looked his fan.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. And the girl was white. Yeah. Okay. The demographic demographics of El Paso, Texas, Any guesses?

[Host 1]

I'm probably pretty much primarily Hispanic.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

81 Hispanic.

[Host 1]

So it's racist.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Not saying it's racist, but you can see we're a panel. What do we have in this country? Division. Right. And we have people coming across the border and all that stuff. But I'll, I'll take accountability. I still watch that video. There's a lot different. It's a lot different than the bat. Obviously. The bat we saw 15 seconds. There's an available eight minutes before that. There's some video that is. That incident there though is. Is pretty specific to that incident. She's obviously resisting. I don't say, and I don't say it's not within the policy. I don't say it's not within. Sometimes it's absolutely reasonable to punch people. Violence is fine in law enforcement. I look at it more like do you think it was necessary and do you think it helped or needed to be done? And if you watch that back a thousand times. He has control of her left arm, complete control of her left arm, pinned behind her back with the handcuff on. She asked for his badge number. She. He punches her immediately after and then loses all control. Loses all control. You can watch a badge number one, you can watch it over and over and over again and you will see that he actually. It causes him to lose control that he had gained by being on top. Is it within policy? I'm sure they're allowed to punch people. Is it, could it be deemed necessary? Sure. I'm not going to die on the Hill on that one, but that one to me is. I mean, I believe the demographics of a board plays into that. If that is a six person Hispanic board, you can't tell me that that's not jaded in any way. And I'm not saying that's the only

[Host 1]

reason, but wow, you are a politician already bringing race into it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Hey man, 81 Hispanic. I did this research. I'm ready, man. I'm ready at all times for any argument. But I would put everybody in that position. Yeah, it. Can you punch her? Absolutely. Do you think that dude like watches that video back and goes, hey man, punch that right in the mouth? I don't know. Maybe he does. Maybe all those people do. And I'm not saying, like you said, those people. I didn't, I didn't call for him to be fired. I didn't call for him. I just said I don't believe it was necessary. And if you watch the. What is what you're doing is trying to get them in custody.

[Host 1]

So you don't think that the leadership in the individual department, whether how big it be, the, the head honcho, the chief or sheriff, you don't believe that that person clearing it and announcing it's cleared, whether whatever functions. You use an internal investigations team and a civilian review board just if the sheriff or the chief clears it and says we're good. You don't necessarily believe that.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I believe it. But do you? If that guy was late Every day and had three private previous write ups. If he's Tyler Hoover, do you think he's getting cleared there? You can't factor. You can't take the human factor out of. Just like the baseball, the strike zone, the electric strike zone. Now, there's mistakes. You see how many mistakes these professionals make? You can't take the human factor out of this equation. So who is the cop? How well is he liked within the agency? Is he somebody's son, daughter? And I'm not saying he is, but that same incident, if that chief came out and we flipped the script right now, and I had it for you. Dude's fired. I'm like, look how bad? What are you gonna say? You're like, yeah, I can see. Where? I guess. Yeah, I guess. And I can. I can eat crow whenever I want. I mean, I love it. Bring it. But I don't. Look at the. The baseball bat. One was eight minutes. And then we watch 15 seconds. The rest of that context is important in this case. You can see she's resisting. I agree. I can see she's resisting arrest. She's not cooperating. But to punch somebody's skull against the ground when the goal is to gain compliance, and there's video that just got released.

[Host 1]

Somebody's skull against the ground, delivering a distraction.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

It's all the same.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Hey, I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. But just be able to be like, yeah, I'm the dude that punched the chick in the face all over Instagram. Like, I couldn't get her in custody.

[Host 1]

I wonder if he's proud.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I couldn't get her in custody, so. With a partner. So I. I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to die on that hill. Like, I took a guy to the ground and never threw a strike punch or anything and got demoted for the arrest. So I know which way these things can go if you're not well liked. So I'm gonna say, all right, let's play.

[Host 1]

Can we do a scenario?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, sure.

[Host 1]

All right. Just. All right.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

I'm your.

[Host 1]

I'm a captain. You're. You're a chief or a sheriff. All right, it's Monday morning, it's 11:13am you just got done golfing. You're coming in for an hour of work today. And I go, hey, Sheriff, I was like, man, something happened last night. Yeah, I need you to see it doesn't look good. The optics don't look good. I play the video. I was like, hey, I just. I'm Not Internal affairs, but based off what I saw, it is within policy and he didn't break the law. But it looks awful. What are you doing as a leader

[Host 2 (Mike)]

if you present it to me like that? Unless it's absolutely egregious, to the point that I would be willing to lose my job and lose my world over it, I would look at it and go, I hate it. But if everybody else feels that way and they see it that way, and it's not like he killed her and, like, strangled, I'd be like, okay, if that's your.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

I.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You have to trust your command staff. You have to put. So I would trust that if you're my captain, you're Tyler. I ride or die with you. I know you're not going to do me wrong. You're not doing it because it's a friend of a friend. You're not doing it because, hey, I know this guy and I know his wife trials together.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I would look at you and go. I would also say your name. You're putting your name on this. And if you said, yep, okay, I sign off on it, it's good to go. And I would get on TV and say exactly that. Hey, man, it was within policy, was reviewed by our agency and xyz, that's the type of leader you should be. I should trust you that if you bring it to me in that manner. Now it has to go both ways, though. If you bring it to me and go, hey, Sheriff, this is terrible. This is the worst thing I've ever seen. And I watch it and go, man, it sucks. It's pretty bad. But, man, terrible. Like, worst thing you ever saw. Are you sure you don't have an out for this guy?

[Host 1]

Yeah, this guy, me, over nine years ago.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Then I would do it and I'd be like, hey, man, we gotta let. We can't judge it based on that. You don't like him. Let's look at. And that's what that is. That. That conversation then goes, That's a good conversation to hand it to an independent board and go, here you go. Here's where it can go. Greg. Tony fired Krikovich and he put Greg Lacera on Brown County. There was a viral video of him pepper spraying a young gentleman and take him to the ground. It went viral. It was a complete chaos.

[Host 1]

Was it a future astronaut?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yes.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Okay. Krikovich got fired and Greg. Greg Lacera got put on desk duty for three years. The incident went to the civilian all civilian review board of Broward County Sheriff's Office. And all of them found the force justified. Three years they sat, one fired, one on desk duty. I got rehired, got all his back pay, Everything's fine. And Lucera got all his stuff back, so it can go just that way.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

If you're that powerful and you don't have anybody to answer to like Greg, Tony, you can go. Yep. Good. Bored. No. Good. Two white guys. I don't like them.

[Host 1]

Who?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You guys are fired, and you guys on desk duty. And you can go ahead. You know what, Tyler? Go ahead. Spend all that money on your attorney. You might get your job back, but you're not gonna get three years back. When I sit on your ass at home and I. And I move on without you, and you come back and I go, yeah, me. Okay, you got your money back, and

[Host 1]

I'm gonna fire you the first chance.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. The next time you're on video like that, you're out of here. So in my opinion, you have to trust. I have to trust you as my captain enough to present that to me. And unless I see something so bad that I go, man, I think you're wrong on this one. You know what? Let's just send it to the board. Whatever the board decides, you and I, handshake. We'll agree that. We'll go with what the board says. Okay, so that's, that's how I would handle that.

[Host 1]

Do you agree with leaders going in front of. I've never seen this before, and I don't understand why, but maybe there's a political reason, like a legitimate. Like if you're a sheriff or a chief, you probably have someone trying to help you with the politics of it, and a sheriff or a chief going up there and going, listen, personally, I don't like this. I train. I don't like this. However, I stand behind my deputy because he didn't do anything wrong.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes, I'm okay with that.

[Host 1]

You're okay with doing saying both?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes. Black female, white, male cop. Same call, same video.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah, same video. Miami.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Same video. Like, what are you gonna say? Like, is he gonna get. A white, Old, white chief is gonna get. So I, I, I can't help but know, be. Be cynical, because I understand how this works as well. That's an easy one to wash. Two Hispanic cops resisting white. Is it the best?

[Host 1]

No.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Do I think they should be fired? No. I would pull him in as the chief. I would pull him and be like, hey, man, officers. You know, I would pull him in and be like, that's where like, the, the the, my exception, what I felt should have happened to me was they pull me in and go, hey, we're going in a different direction. We have an election in two years. Like, let's, you know, let's not make the resisting arrest cases anymore. Let's be a little more liberal with those and not drag people to jail like we used to in the mid-2000s. I've been like, okay, yes, sir. Will never happen again. I didn't get that opportunity. So. Yeah, before we go to the guest, I want to play it back on you.

[Host 1]

Oh, I got something to play back on you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And, and you. I know where you stand on this, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna play. So when we, if, when we go to the back call, same. Everything's the same.

[Host 1]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

If it was a sword or like some type of edge weapon, machete, do you think it. Does it change much?

[Host 1]

I'm gonna have to go back to my mindset a week ago to be fair, to be impartial to this. So I, at the time, without really looking into this. Yes, it did change it. Okay. For some reason ablated an edged weapon to me was like different. But then you look at everything. I mean, go watch the walking dead. Look what one swing of a baseball bat.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. So that's what I'm getting at. So by nature, actually, it could probably harm you worse. That's what I'm saying. I told when me and G Money got into it, I said, if we go into a room together and there's a knife and a bat, like a 6 inch, 10 inch knife and a bat, and they give me first choice on weapon. I'm taking the bat. Yeah, I'm taking the bat. All day I've reach. I hit you in your arm, you're going to pass. I get you in the shoulder, you try to stab me and I hit your hand, you're done. Can you throw an edge weapon? Yeah, unless you're.

[Host 1]

But that's not.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Unless you're some animal.

[Host 1]

You ever tried throwing a knife? Yeah, knife even. Knife throwing, even axes.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

People go throw the ax and they can't get it to stick in the wood. And. And so once you. And what happens when you throw it is it's no longer with you.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

So you get one shot and you better hope it like goes through my heart, goes through my eyeball. So. So you would agree that by nature, as cops, we're more inclined to go, it's an edge weapon. We can do much more faster. I look at it like an edge weapon. Or a bat is very similar with the distance. Okay. Everybody said tase, tase, tase. Okay. Either one, let's say taste. I'm gonna play you a video.

[Host 1]

Do you have anything against trying to tase?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No. But there was no tasers at the scene until the sergeant got there.

[Host 1]

And that's a lot. There's a lot of blame to go.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And he witnessed all that stuff ahead of time. And I still stand by it. He heard it. He knew it had happened. He runs up as guys are retreating from the bat. Took action. I'm good with it. Now I'm going to show you. This is in France. This is very similar situation. This is an edged knife or weapon. A sword. And watch. What? Watch what happens. Wish, wish. Third application of the change of work and the sword in the under. Three officers stabbed, injured. Life with a sword based on two failed tasor deployments. I'll play it again.

[Host 1]

They don't have. I don't know if they have them.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

They didn't. Here is your table.

[Host 1]

Let's go.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

He's backing up. Let's go back to an aluminum bat

[Host 1]

you could do that with too. I bet you a sword is heavier than a aluminum bat.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

So what is this suspect doing? Backing himself into a corner. And he's taking a defensive stance very similar to the other guy. He's not advancing. As soon as the taser goes off, watch what he does. He's walking away. Now he's agitated. Taser application and they still go re naked.

[Host 1]

Kick the sword away.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

So my point to this is, would

[Host 1]

you not beat the out of that dude?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

That's right. So my point to this is walking away. He's leaving. You can see his feet turn as if he's going to leave. The taser goes off. It catches him partially, maybe pisses him off. He advances with it and he's sweet. What is the difference if he's swinging a bat right there or a blade? It's pro. Obviously you didn't see the officer's arm fly off like in the movies. Like, yeah, he probably caught across back. Probably got cut. Three people were. Three cops were injured before they got him in custody. What is the difference? And this is where de escalation doesn't have to happen and taser doesn't have to happen. They should have smoked that dude. You are walking down the street with a sword no different than a bat in my opinion. If I get hit in the head with a bat, I probably. If it's a dull sword or it catches me wrong, I'm probably better off with the sword hitting me and let a bat flush across the skull. So my point is, what is the difference? And there is your taser application, and there's your two failed deployments.

[Host 1]

Good infomercial for getting rid of accent, period.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And there's another video just came out where a girl is trying to drive stump somebody with a taser 10 that doesn't even do that. There's another one. Like, there's so many, but. So I'm not saying that you shouldn't try the taser first if you're comfortable, but there is a situation where multiple cops, dude walking away, edge weapon, same size as a bat, same distance parameters. Everything's pretty similar. He's walking away, Taser agitates him. He attacks. He gets three swings off, injures three cops. They finally get a third deployment of the taser that works if you, you have one taser, big sarge tries to tase him, hypothetically. Doesn't work. He charges with the bat, semicircle. You're gonna shoot him. He's moving your cops around. I'm just saying.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Not much different.

[Host 1]

What do you think about this? Let's get ahead of this. One more scenario before we bring on John. Through edged weapon, throws it at you, misses, you're done.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Can't do anything.

[Host 1]

Well, can you shoot him? No. What if he's running at you to possibly get that edge weapon again? He showed a propensity to try to kill you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I'm good with it. I mean, I joke. I know I get a lot of hell, I am a proponent of violence. I have to be very careful. You know, you ever decide to do anything different than podcasts, you have to be very neutral. Right. But so I present a lot of people. I present a lot of things. I talk about Copville being just that, entertainment here. I try to be a little more serious. I, I, you could argue. That's not out of the question. It's not out of the question. He throws it at you, you miss. And what if he's running by you and he's going, the knife's over there and he's coming kind of at you? Yeah.

[Host 1]

I happened in Orange County.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I think you can Absolutely.

[Host 1]

I think that guy dropped the knife and he went to go run and grab it or a gun or something. It fell on the ground, and they were tussling, and then the guy broke free. Free and went running at the weapon and the deputy.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

The key to this is because I got an argument with some people and meme pages and people in my DMs. When I posted the second video from the other angle, where you see the two cops run is there are a group of cops in Jersey that, because of that icat. That is mandatory de escalation, which is the biggest crock of next to 30 by 30. You don't have to de escalate. That is not mandatory. It is an option. If I look and go, hey, he's 60 yards across the field. I think I got him. I think I can get. No, sir, you're gonna get shot. Please drop. Like, please, like, all that stuff. And he gets closer. There's a point where you go, hey, man, like, I'm not gonna wait till he gets over here. De escalation is an option. You don't de escalate on every call. And you don't have to go through the old school. Well, level one is present. Well, I'm here. Level two is. I told him. Level three is let me get the baton out. Level four is. I tried that. I tried the Taser. Oh, he's pointing. What next? Like, I gotta. No, you go, hey, man, drop the bat. No, you already showed you have an ability to threaten my officers. I'm done. And that's no different. That could have happened. I'm not saying that would have happened.

[Host 1]

And what. We also need to make sure we. We always forget about the boiling water story. You need to make sure you have a right to be there. And I say rights because everybody dig down in probable cause or reasonable suspicion or they're detained. Whatever it is your situation that you're in right now, currently, that Mike was just talking about, you got to make sure you were rightfully in. So if you harass a mentally ill person in their own home.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

One more video that's going pretty. Before he comes on. One more that's going pretty wild.

[Host 1]

Yeah. We have John Makari, former NYPD and host of the finest unfiltered podcast, is going to help us break down this Sergeant Eric Duran story. His sentencing, which is the most asinine thing I think probably to ever happen in cop work to this day. But I think Mike. Mike's got a video.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

If he's ready, we can watch it after. I was just. Jacksonville dropped one again. No, there was an old video, but I can get it. Hold on. Get off my story real quick. And then we'll go to him because he's not gonna cry like Nick.

[Host 1]

Yeah, Nick will cry.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I've been here for five minutes.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I have so many videos that I post.

[Host 1]

If you could believe somebody. I think somebody changed their name in YouTube to M M D R and Samurai. Don't dump my Axon stock, dude.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I made this whole video. Hold on. I know where it's at.

[Host 1]

Okay. We're all waiting.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's all right. It's our show. That's a guy that sat next to me one time said, this is my show.

[Host 1]

All right, Lewis. Lewis is like, we'll just find it tomorrow.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, I got. This is my meme version. So it's gonna be a little. It'll be a little more comical, but we're almost there. Don't forget to check out what's his name? Lewis, the cuber on YouTube.

[Host 1]

I want to level up.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Mike needs a level up. Right, Lewis? He's failing to get these videos through chat.

[Host 1]

Liz, what's up? Because it's Monday. $5. She paid for my coffee. Thank you, Liz.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Thank you so much, Liz. I don't like coffee.

[Host 1]

You don't like anything.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I do like coffee. I'm just saying I don't get offered coffee.

[Host 1]

Oh, we'll split this one.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

All right, good. All right, let me remove. Remove something. Remove this one and then add video. Here we go. Add video. We're almost there.

[Host 1]

You think having Lewis do this would actually have been faster than you?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No, because I had to get the video. All right, this is. This is Jacksonville shooting. Guy with a knife jumps out and runs, and I slow it down for you. So it's meme worthy, but I want you to hear the loudest noise in the room. Okay. Put your hands down.

[Host 1]

Put your hands out. Put your hands. Here I come. Oh, here I come.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Oh.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Click. I added the music one more time for those.

[Host 1]

Out. Here I come. Oh, here I come.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Oh.

[Host 1]

Click.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh. So Jacksonville does. Jacksonville sheriff's office kills the most. I believe the most people, they killed six already this year. So they do a critical incident debrief of every shooting and release it in full detail. I am told unofficially. Allegedly. Not only was the gun empty, there was no round chambered. When they pulled the ammo to do the crime scene and dump their mags, she had non issued ammunition like her own. Bought ammunition in the gun. Female sergeant.

[Host 1]

We're just glazing over the fact that she just took off running. Well, well, well.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

The guy had a knife. Well, there was other officers there. Did she go, hey, guys, run with me? And that's why I don't have all of it. I like 15 seconds, but it's all there. But he actually. I don't have the full Video he actually, thank God, has the wherewithal. Not only does she run, but when you run, you're taught to run this way so you can still. She runs this way. And shooting over her shoulder.

[Host 1]

She's shooting behind her.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And then her partner, as she turns this way to run, is. He is right there getting out of the car next to her. Yeah, and he follows her tracks and he shoots the guy as well. And, yeah, she's shooting after she reloads the gun because she hit him. Somebody hit him. They killed him. I don't know who. Maybe her slut. Her ball rounds that she forgot to put hollow points in. But we have a super chat up there, Lewis.

[Host 1]

Oh, man, I'm brand new to the. Oh, this is MDR and Samurai. I'm brand new to the pod, you know, came across to find us unfiltered. 30 years between NYPD and NYC mes experience. A little donation to pay for John's visit.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Thank you so much.

[Host 1]

Thanks, man.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And it's your show now.

[Host 1]

You can bring them on. All right. I'm gonna let. Do it, Lewis. Do it produce stuff. Ladies and gentlemen, John Makari. And I'm saying your last name, right?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, it's Makari. You guys got it?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Pleasure to be here.

[Host 1]

Everybody from up north, I always butchered their names. They're always Italian or just up north. So you retired nypd, correct?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yep. Retired NYPD lieutenant.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Forced.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Retired NYPD lieutenant. I refused to take the vaccine, and so I had. I had a choice to get fired in seven days or retire. So I retired early. I served just a little over 18.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, so some of our people call you a quitter, man. You didn't do the full 20, brother. God damn it.

[Host 1]

You. I said this. I tell people all the time, dude. I was like, people, I. I did nine years. Mike did 23. It still gets. Still gets for not fully retiring, like, with it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Anyways, I didn't get a gun issued.

[Host 1]

And I'm like. It's like saying Derek Jeter did 19 years, but he's not a real ball player because he didn't do 20 years. Right?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

I mean, but look, you know, they. They held my feet to the fire. It was like, look, pull your pants down, bend over, spread your ass cheeks. Put something in your body that you don't need that we told you not to take. And then. And if you don't take that, we're gonna fire you. And they're like, I'm the quitter. I'm like, you guys all took a knee. You took A knee for. And then you took a knee for de Blasio and Adams and put a vaccine in your body that you didn't want, you didn't need. And so, you know anyone that calls me a quitter, I'm like, all right, well, what are you. If I'm a quitter, you got to be below that, you know?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, Beta. That's what I call it.

[Host 1]

And we've had your co host, we've had your Coast Eric on here a couple times, actually. And I. I saw your post about. I mean, we can only do. When I say we can only do so much, what happened to Sergeant Eric Duran, we've been trying to cover. Obviously, we were never nypd, but I mean, just across the nation, maybe across the world, cops are looking at this like this is a turning point for cop work right here. And I saw your post about the back to back comparison of someone else that was convicted in New York City, pled guilty to murder, and they got like some crazy low sentence or something like that.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, kid got nine months for intentionally beating a homeless person to death.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Beautiful.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Intentionally beating a homeless person to death. You got Sergeant Eric Duran, 15 years in the NYPD, unblemished record, serving in narcotics, going out and doing the work that New Yorkers don't deserve and the politicians don't even want. And he goes out and one of his undercovers does a drug buy off of Eric Dupree for $10. They move in. Police. Police. Police. Eric Dupree gets on a moped, no helmet on, jumps on that moped, starts blaring down a sidewalk filled with people, elderly people, women with children. He's blaring down the block on the sidewalk, total danger to everyone's life. Reckless on his own part, including his own. Sergeant Eric Duran takes a cooler, throws the cooler at Eric, at Eric Dupree. Eric Dupree falls and dies as a result. Now, did the cooler kill him or did his reckless behavior, did he die as a result of his reckless behavior? I personally think him not wearing a helmet, him making those, Those. Those. All of those decisions, those poor decisions. Prior and not resisting arrest caused his death. But Sergeant Eric Dupree ops for a bench trial, meaning that they want the judge to decide. Judge is a radical. Judge made the same decision where he gave nine months to a guy who intentionally beat a homeless man to death. And he says that Sergeant Eric Dupree is guilty of manslaughter and that he deserves three to nine years in prison. And just for the record, Sergeant Duran obviously is A threat to no one. The individual who, who murdered a homeless man for absolutely no reason on a street is a. Is a large public safety threat. He's walking around the streets in New York City immediately when that decision was made, Sergeant Duran didn't even get a second. Didn't even get a second to say goodbye to his family. Didn't get time to plan his affairs. They handcuffed him and they brought his ass to jail.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

That, that to me is the. That is absolutely insane. From our narcotics background, obviously it's a, it's a, it's a shitty job. Nobody really cares about drugs except the drug guys. The community goes, oh, he's just selling drugs. You have exactly what just happened. The recklessness of a person when they're getting ready to get by. Busted. I've been on them where they speed out of parking lots. They speed, they should be shot. You're right. In a car, motorcycle scooter, you're going down the sidewalk in the most reckless fashion. He throws a cooler to stop a felon from fleeing and running over people. And at no point is that taken into consideration that the bad guy is the reason that all that happened. I could see any other twist, but. But that to me is, is absolutely insane. And the fact that this can happen in America is, is the most devastating news I'm hearing for police. And it seems to be that whole northeast tri state area with o' Malley the bat now over in New Jersey. This case, they're just. I don't know why anybody wants to be a cop up that way anymore. It makes no sense to me. When you're trying to protect and serve, you're doing what's in the best interest of the public, and you get fried and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Host 1]

Yeah, dude.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

You know the thing that bothers me the most though, is you have law enforcement justifying it, saying, why'd he throw the cooler?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

The crew.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

The cooler isn't a trained tactic in the nypd. And you got a lot of police podcasts out there and you got a lot of police people currently on basically turning their back on Eric Durant. And I'm sitting there in Thursday's comstat, which is like a weekly meeting that the NYPD does. They're actually the chief of department for the NYPD is giving a kudos to Bronx Narcotics for continuing these buy and bust and the amount of arrest they're making. So while their sergeants being sentenced to three to nine, they're still out there doing this type of Work. And in the same breath, in the same breath, he's pushing for more enforcement off of mopeds. Because what's occurring in New York City is robberies off of mopeds, shootings off of mopeds, drug deals off of mopeds. All of this third world crime that's been brought to New York City.

[Host 1]

That is true. That is some third world shit.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

And none of these dudes are trained. NYPD doesn't train you how to stop a fleeing person off of a moped, so why are we pushing for enforcement on it? So if Sergeant Eric Duran deserves three to nine, then the rest of you deserve three to nine for running around when someone, Anytime you get unlucky and the guy dies as a result of your actions. You know, it makes no sense to me, man. Like, cops today, they don't know the environment they're dealing with in. And they don't understand it's all being politically controlled and they're going along with all the politics of it.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

It's crazy.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I agree. And it's also a location thing. I want you to keep remember that. I don't remember the exact. Happened last week. Pay attention to the Palm Beach County Tasing of a guy on a motorcycle. He didn't die, but they had a guy fleeing on a motorcycle. They tase him as he's getting ready to take off, hits the gas, goes out and hits another car. Nobody was injured, but it's good old Florida. I can see where that's gonna be like, man, you know, we're okay down here. Up there, you do something similar. They're so liberal and they're so backwards that the cops become the victims. Like you said, of course somebody's trained on a cooler, but if somebody's trying to kill you, trying to do something crazy. We don't train on running people over cars either, but it happens every day. Like, we don't learn that you have to take measures sometimes in the, in the interest of public safety. That is outside the box. And I commend him for stopping that guy from fleeing down a sidewalk and running some important people over. And the fact that politicians, other cops, and paste eaters can't look at that and go, the bad guy doesn't get to act crazy. We have to stop him from acting crazy. This is a situation where he did that.

[Host 1]

It wasn't, you know, I, I can, I can get behind. No, I, I really can. Vehicle pursuits nowadays, when you, what, measure the crime versus the, the risk, plus the technology we have in 2026, I could see a property crime, letting them go and not chasing them. I could really get behind that. Absolutely. I want to chase everybody. I think everybody should be chased. But I can see where the point is on the other side, a guy on a moped, he's the only, it just blows my mind, dude. He's on a moped on the sidewalk. The only people that are going to get hurt are other people on that sidewalk that aren't on a road for a reason. Dude, they're on a sidewalk.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, yeah. They're walking down sidewalk for a reason. Old ladies, people just. And you get run over, break a hip, you break a femur break. You can, there's no reason that, that, that should be, he should be arrested for that. And it's absolutely disgusting.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Well, well, look what just happened the week prior, right? You had two scales on a moped. They drive by, start shooting at somebody, they kill a seven month old baby and graze his two year old brother. And so what I, what I've been saying is, how about Sergeant Duran was on that scene, those perps are fleeing on that scooter and he throws that same cooler, those same politicians are going to be calling him a hero.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Correct. I remember this video.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Then, then, then Felix versus Bonds comes into effect, then it's okay, then it's justified. So it depends on the political narrative that how we're going to dictate whether cops should go to. And, and the fact that he even, even if you want to say that, that it was no good, he definitely jail time's out of the question. This is coming out of a city where we don't believe in jail for repeat violent offenders. But if you're a cop who we said, oh, we deem that you did something out of a character or out of your guidelines or that was reckless, you, you deserve to go to jail.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's nuts because, you know, obviously the, the point of jail was supposed to be rehabilitation. 15 years as a cop, no problems, doesn't just kill people randomly. He does something in his mind that he thinks is in the best interest of the public. It's not egregious, it's a cooler. The dude's reckless, no helmet, taking off, selling drugs on top of it. Like we don't know, everybody wants to stop the war on drugs and everybody's overdosing. We want to stop drugs. Then you do stop it and it's a problem. And then you give the guy minimum three years in jail when you know he's not a criminal, he's not going to reoffend. Because it's not, that's not the nature of this incident. So it's, it's absolutely sickening all the way around.

[Host 1]

What do you think went wrong, John? I mean, honestly, in the, in this case, I've. It. Was it doomed from the start or did somebody drop the ball in this court process?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Dude, the, the problem is, is, is the political structure of New York is, is doomed. And cops don't realize we shouldn't be doing buy and bust anymore. We shouldn't be doing moped enforcement anymore because this is what's going to happen. This isn't, this shouldn't have came as a shock to everybody. I, you know, we've been doing the finance unfiltered for about three years now. Telling everybody like this, they're gonna, they're gonna turn their back on you. The minute there's a problem, the minute that a situation goes bad, you're going to jail. It's not if you, you're going to jail like if somebody dies as a result of what happened. Same thing with the Taser. If the, the story you just told. Yeah. In Florida, Florida supports its cops. The majority of counties in Florida, they support their cops. But if that same incident happened in New York City and the dude shoots a guy fleeing on a moped with his taser and the guy falls off and gets hurt, fine and dandy, nobody's gonna care. But that guy falls off and dies, you're going to jail. You know, there was that viral video, I don't know if you guys ever seen it, where the kid with the khaki pants, NYPD cop, they're running after a guy in a scooter. He jumps out of the car, he jumps over, grabs the guy off the scooter and it went viral. And everyone's like, this is how you do police work. And almost. And I said at that time, I'm like, well, guess what? If that guy would have fell backwards and hit his head, that cop will go to jail. But yet today it's okay to, it's okay, it's okay to lauder them, so it's okay to load them when everything's okay. But the minute somebody dies as a result of enforcement action, you're going to jail. In the NYPD, Graham vs Connor does not come into account. Felix vs Bonds does not come into account. There is an anti police settlement that's been there for the last 10 years. The last two mayors. This judge was appointed by the last two mayors. He was appointed by Bill de Blasio. And then he was reappointed by Eric Adams. And this is a guy, it's okay to keep a guy who murders homeless people for absolutely no reason out on the streets in New York City, but it's too dangerous to keep a 15 year old, 15 year sergeant who never injured anybody in his life, who's trying to do his job and you believe made a mistake. We don't believe. But that guy goes to jail for nine years. It's crazy.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. And I go back to the whole, obviously this wasn't a jury trial, but the whole reasonable, like the reasonable person. The judge has never had to throw a cooler. The judges never had to deal with a by bus. The judges never had to walk up to a scene where there's a two year old in a stroller with a bullet in their head and go, oh wow, this is pretty bad. These people might be criminals. These guys sit on the bench, they have all the power in the world. No care in the world. They change. They do whatever they feel like that day. They do whatever's best for their career. You know that came down from somewhere else and said hey, you gotta fry this guy. Make sure it's done. And that, that is the entire. When I say the job is dead, that's what I'm talking about. The fact that guys can go to prison for doing what a reasonable person would do. I would fuck. I've thrown shit at people fleeing it all the time and bikes car like it. Dude, like that's. You're committing a felony. Yeah, I've thrown mag lights through windows. I've thrown. So I guess I imagine if I hit the guy with the mag lane, he crashed into a tree and died. I would have been charged with murder, which is insane. I didn't drive the car, I didn't flee the cop didn't do anything wrong. This is, this is a really bad one.

[Host 1]

Do you think, what do you think is obviously you're identifying the politicians as, you know, New York City, which I mean it's probably been New York City's biggest flaw since its start, but I mean can the, the massive amount of NYPD boots on ground make change or is this going to have to be the people of New York re electing new leadership, which again the cynical side of me says they're never going to do well.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

So one, I, I blame the leadership totally in the nypd, I don't believe there's any leadership. They're just, they're just the enforcement arm of the political party. Whatever is in New York City, they're going to send you guys out. They look at cops as chess pieces. They don't care. We're going to lose a few of you. So one, I think it's there, but the other part of it is the police unions. Police unions are non existent. You haven't heard a statement from the police unions. What the statement should have been is we're no longer. Since Sergeant Duran wasn't trained in throwing a cooler, we're not trained in doing. Removing people off of mopeds. So we're not gonna, we're not gonna do moped enforcement anymore. So let us know how we're gonna. How, how you want us to stop these robberies and these shootings off of the, the scooters? Because we're not trained in it, right? And if we, and we know what happens when we're not trained, we get three to nine years in jail for doing our job and trying to apprehend free and fleeing felons. So what do you want us doing going forward? So. And you don't even have that pushback. So you know, the, the only way through really is the vote at this point, I believe. And, and that's gone because you had a million people just elect a democratic socialist who says he doesn't even want the police. He wants to put a Department of Community Safety. He thinks that, he thinks that the idea to stop a emotionally disturbed individual charging at you with a knife is not to have the police respond there, but he's going to send social workers who work bankers hours with weekends and holidays off and their response times probably about two weeks.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

What do you think about. And you said that they're still out there. I'm going to ask you a tough one. Do you think it's wrong for those guys to continue to go out there and do that job? Or should they? I don't know how the strike stuff works or union stuff works up there, but do you look at the cops like there's a time to take a stand? Like we're not doing this anymore? Is that in your head or what do you think about them?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

So I, again, I think that, I think that a lot of us come on the job young. We don't understand the politics of our cities and our states and what's happening. We don't even understand the internal politics of the job. And you go out there with all the right reasons, but you don't understand the sacrifice that you're making. And in New York City, the sacrifice you're making is much Greater than the majority of law enforcement departments across the country. In New York City, we're not allowed to strike. It's actually illegal. We'll be arrested because of the Taylor law.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

They took striking out.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

But, like, look, you know, I was a cop for a long time. I left as a lieutenant. I was a supervisor most of my career. But, you know, when I, when I got dumb orders, regardless of what rank I was in, I said, yeah, no problem, boss. And then I went out and did what I was going to do anyway. And for you to go out there headstrong, to go out and be like, I'm the guy. This is never going to happen to me. I'm getting guns. I'm getting bad guys. My city loves me. My job needs me. They will replace you in a heartbeat. They'll be hitting on your wife while you're sitting in jail rotten for three to nine years.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

What's the one question I always ask cops? What's most important? What's with everybody's answer? My family. Well, if your family is that important, you need to take everything he just said into consideration. And I'm not telling you to be a coward, and I'm not telling you let crime go. But you have to be prepared to be just like this sergeant, if you're going to go out there and get guns and drugs and, and do wild. Remember, you told your wife you're coming home. And that doesn't just mean getting shot. That means not going to prison. So that is on you guys. When you say, I'm going, I'm coming home tonight, honey. Well, I didn't get killed, but I threw a cooler at somebody who's a piece of. And now I'm in prison. So you guys got to remember, the guns are cool, the drugs are cool. But you promised your family you were coming home. And in this state, it doesn't look like you can go. You can not go home. Not from just getting killed, but from doing your job. And that's dangerous.

[Host 1]

I think that, that cops definitely need to. I'm more of an aggressive approach. I think that cops just should leave the job and leave the sheep to slaughter. I, I don't, I, I don't. We debate these all the time. And, you know, Mike says, you know, well, if cops are going to enter the job, they need to know. And I'm like it, dude. Don't enter the job. I'll tell them right now. Don't enter the job. I don't. I mean, I, I would. I've never seen a job or a profession treat their, their employees overall in general like this. And there's so much liability. The fact that they're even like the last five years to talk about qualified immunity going away. That's the whole point of being a cop. It's like, you know, not only can you go to prison now they can take your house from your wife. Where's she gonna live? Like, it just, it blows my mind, dude. And I just, I, this, this whole thing right here should send shock waves through law enforcement. And I really believe that the union, even if they, you said, you mentioned that the unions are garbage, which they're pretty much non existent here. But unions to us are stronger up in the northeast because they have more power. But the fact that they're not out there saying and they, and if I'm wrong, quote me and I'm gonna get to everybody's super chats. You got a lot of supporters, John. But I'm gonna. The fact that they're not out there going, we will not rest, we will not sleep until John is freed from prison. Please continue to go out there and keep the people safe. You know, nypd, please keep doing what you're doing. We are going to stand up to, for this because without you guys, our city will fall and we will protect our own. Sergeant Eric Durant. I just don't see what's wrong with standing publicly behind somebody like that. But I haven't seen it because again,

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

a lot of, a lot of these are self serving political appointments. Like these guys, they don't care. They haven't done police work in 30 years. They never wore a body cam. They don't deal with the complaint systems the way we deal with them. They, they have not been out in this sediment. They have their, their, their version of policing is not what the reality is on the ground ground. And they truly don't care. Like I look at, I look at, I look at the union heads up north as politicians. I do not look at them as police officers. I don't look at them as cops. And it's the same true for, for the management. I don't call them chief. I call them the politically appointed management because that's what they are. They're politicians. They hate it, but it's true. They, they're just the enforcement arm of whatever political party, hey look, you got a Republican mayor in New York City. Those guys will be great. They'll be great chiefs. They'll be telling you, let's go out there and stop and get the bad guys. And then the Minute you get a democratic socialist, they're going to spin on their head and be like, we know making drugs arrest doesn't keep us safer. And I was like. And I literally watched it happen, dude. And I'm like, what do you mean? We know you, you, you, last week you were just beating the crap out of us that we didn't, that we didn't. 250, so stop questioning. Frisk enough people now this week, because we got a new mayor. You're telling us that drug arrests don't keep us safer? I don't know that. And I know for a fact they do. I know for a fact that they, they bring business in. They actually make our community safer. I watched New York City transform from a city of crime into something that like, looked like Disneyland on 42nd street where you could walk around 3 o' clock in the morning and not get bothered. And I'm watching it transition totally back. And all the same guys that helped do it came into power and now they're making that city of crime. They're rebuilding it. It's, it's. And it's all politically, it's all politically motivated, politically driven. And you know, unfortunately, we're looked at as dumb brutes. We're looked at as, you know, we're looked at as knuckle draggers, honestly. We're looking at as like, we don't have a place in society where there's that dumb masculine profession that we don't really need. And screw all those guys, because what are they going to do anyway? And some of it's true, dude, because I, I wouldn't know if they didn't force my hand, I would have never left. Because who the hell is going to pay me? What am I good at? Who's going to pay me that much money? What am I good at? I'm good at. I'm not afraid to go bully bad guys, you know, and so, and where does that transition out there? And so that's why you get a lot of guys that won't leave. You know what I mean? And because they're like, how am I going to, how am I going to feed my kids? Like, where am I going to make this money? Where am I going to get these benefits, this pension, how the health care? So, like I, that I understand why guys don't leave. But when, you know, going out there and going headstrong like, this is the early 2000s and this country still believes in the broken windows of policing, which it doesn't any longer, you're out of your mind to do. You're not paying attention.

[Host 1]

And the scary part is, is that we've seen it time and time again. Especially it seems like in the northeast a lot is that you can be cleared. And two, three years later, the crazy leftist politician that comes in goes, give me the last 10 police shootings over the last five years. Let me. I'll put them all on my. Put them all on my desk. We're gonna. We're gonna fry somebody today, baby. And it's dangerous.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's dangerous. Just like he said. It's like you could all. We could all look around at something and go, there's nothing to that. And they can go, no, there is. And who do they really have to answer to? That's the real thing is like when that happened, you tell the family, sorry, your. Your son's a drug dealer. Like, he was fleeing. He was going to kill people on the sidewalk. Adios, let him sue you.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

What? There was no reason to do that other than what you're saying. Judges with an agenda, politicians with an agenda. Because we could all look at that and go, don't drive your. Don't drive like an. On the sidewalk.

[Host 1]

Don't run from the police.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Don't run from the police. Don't sell drugs. And there's somewhere that doesn't apply. But in this one, you go, we're sympathizing with a drug dealer who's involved in the same behavior as guys that are shooting up stores and doing robberies. He's on a bike selling or a scooter selling drugs. It's like, you don't get to do. That's simple. That's like one in one. That's like, you don't get to do that. Like, I can understand if you got blown away with a shotgun. Like, okay, you went a little far there. But when you're trying to stop at the point.

[Host 1]

He purposely didn't. He didn't draw his weapon.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No.

[Host 1]

He threw a cooler at him.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I'm one. I always think now if he just would have pushed him, probably the same result. What do you think? If you just push him off the scooter and he died. They probably would arrested him.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Anything you would have did that, dude, whatever. You threw your night stick, you pushed them, you clotheslined them, you grabbed him and he slapped his head back. You're going to jail. You know, my buddy Juan Perez, he had to resign from the New York City police Department. He had to put his papers in under investigation. Goes to a night 911 call emotionally disturbed person in the East Village. He gets there, guys acting a little weird. He tells the guy, listen, do me a favor, have a seat right there. Guy has a seat. He's working with some rookie. Rookie goes in the car. He turns to the rookie, Juan Perez, and he goes, where you going? And when he does that, the motion, the ADP jumps up, puts him in a headlock. Juan Perez breaks out of the headlock, punches him four times. He gets indicted three years later, right before his retirement, by Alvin Bragg. Alvin Bragg says, I don't like this. The guy killed himself a year later as a result of you beating him up. He didn't beat him up. He defended. He was putting. He was literally put in a chokehold, which we'll go to jail for, for being the police.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Shoot the guy that's got the cop in a chokehold.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

And what they said is, he didn't need to punch. The fourth time, the three punches were good, but the fourth punch, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, what do you do? The guy's fighting for his life. And on the. Out on the streets in New York, and he had to. He got found guilty. He almost went to jail. He got found guilty of assault. He almost went to jail. They gave him like three years probation. He had to leave his career early. Doesn't have a good guy letter, doesn't have a retired ID card, is not considered basically retired. He's retired, under investigation. So he basically left. Not in good standing with the job. Kid did absolutely nothing wrong. And he almost went to jail for defending himself. Because the standard in policing now is, I don't like the way it looks. It doesn't look good. And it's like, well, police work doesn't look good. It never looks good. And especially when you look on camera, it looks even worse.

[Host 1]

Yeah, you can't see your sausage get made. Guys, there's a reason why you don't watch those behind the scenes McDonald's videos. What they do to those animals and what you're actually.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And what they're doing now with the body camera, which I've happened in my case, they start breaking what they're not supposed to do. When it comes to a reasonable officer, slow it down to like thousands of a second and go, like you said, the fourth punch. Well, in your brain, you've already made that decision to throw the fourth punch. I could see the 54th punch or the 13th punch maybe not being warranted. But when you got somebody choking you and you start to punch them, it takes your brain a second to catch up to what's going on. I can understand one extra and the guy doesn't like. I can understand if it killed the. But, no, you can't. In a high. A rapidly evolving situation, your brain is already doing things, and you're committed. Try it. Try to tell you to stop. Four times I want you to punch me. On the third one, I go, stop. And you're gonna. You're not gonna. Your brain's not gonna let you do it.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

I mean, watch UFC go Paramount. Plus every Saturday night, watch it Guy. Dude, knock someone out. And he just continuing to go, because that's how he's trained. The ref breaks. We don't have referees. And I personally think cops are way more controlled than when you even see the fighters, because they're way more trained. They're trained to keep going, as opposed to us, where at some point we're. At some point we'll reassess, Be like, all right, is this. Whatever.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

And.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

And so it's for that millisecond when I'm already in that. Like, how would you know that? Like, that's.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

That's like the shootings when a guy fires an extra round or two, and they're like, oh, my God. Well, bro, your brain is already a way ahead of that. Like, you know, the guy's not going down. Like, Hollywood, holy. He's still up. And then you fire that one or two, and it's like, oh, my God, he fired the next. Well, your brain can't just stop like that. You're already. It's already in motion. It's already happening. So the fact that. And experts testify that all the time. Time.

[Host 1]

And.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And you get a piece of defense expert that'll come in and, oh, no, that's not how. And it's nonsense. And that goes back to what we're all talking about. It's like, before you get into this job, remember the difference in your entire life could be a third and a fourth punch of a guy trying to choke you in that area. Like, you could be indicted or fired because of the fourth punch was already on the way. And they go, oh, my God, it's terrible. So you want to get the super chats?

[Host 1]

Yeah. All right. Hey, we got some super chats from the mo's at the finest. Unfiltered. What's up? What's a mo? What's that mean?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, like. Like, you know, it's like Italian. Like, all the Italians, you know, like,

[Host 1]

you know, John McCarr is a mamaloop, but he's Our mama loop. What's that?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

It's another thing. It's like a, you know.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Man, you get the thing over there, man.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

We got another one from Joe Mango. This is. Is. This is for Lieutenant Makari, his favorite area of north North Jersey. He knows what I'm talking about. And then the MDRN samurai back with another $10. Can social workers just fix the problem with EDPs on the phone and just let police respond to the calls anyway? Sheep need sheepdogs to keep them safe from the wolves, whether they like it or not.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I don't. The social worker thing is a disaster. You're up there, you guys have like 50 different positions that are people without guns up there. And they're like so many units that are just like, unarmed this, unarmed that. NYPD has a ton of that, don't they?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Well, nypd, like, we got traffic agents that don't. You know what I mean? They're like. They're like the public safety guys, but

[Host 2 (Mike)]

they look like cops, except they don't

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

have a gun, but they look like cops. You got the school safety agents that look like cops. And. But like, what. This whole. This whole thing is just like, I don't know how. What you guys know about the violence intervention program, but this whole new community, this whole community safety plan with these social workers, that's the model that they're trying to go to. They're trying to make New York City like the London model, right? Nobody's got cops. You know, these. But. But the funny thing is, is, like, they. They don't work. It never works. They go to these situations, they make the situations worse, they escalate the situations, and then what do they all ultimately wind up doing? They call the nypd. And what does the NYPD ultimately doing? What the only choices they ever have left to do. When someone charges you with a. With a knife, they shoot. You know, it's.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And you know, that's another thing. It's like when you called the police, did you not know we were coming with, like, guns and all that stuff? Like, then you don't want us there, but you need help, but you don't want the cops. Yeah, don't shoot him. Oh, he's got a knife now. Like, what do you want me to do? But I see a ton of, like, NYPD videos. Tick tock. This and that. And it's people getting ready, all those dumb videos that come out, but none of them have guns. And I'm just like, with all the problems that real cops are having, getting Attacked up there. I can't imagine sending out fleets of people unarmed that look exactly like a real cop. It doesn't make any sense to me. Doesn't, doesn't, doesn't make a lick of sense.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Especially when you watch an actual cops get abused on the streets of New York City. When you look at all the influencers now that are out there and basically these cops are, you know, they force them. Give me a business card, give me this, give me that. And you see all these cops just complying with it, not arresting anybody, not, not enforcing laws that we have on the books because they're told not to do it. And if they're getting abused, what do you think's happened with someone that doesn't have that type of arrest already? He's not carrying a firearm. They're getting abused out there.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

It's hard.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

The whole, that whole thing is crazy. The whole Explorer program is crazy to me too.

[Host 1]

Explore.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Like, here's what, here's what, we got the time. Yeah, my Explorer program issue is kind of like putting those civilians out is you're taking a younger mind and you're telling them this is what you want to do because you're undeveloped. We always argue, men, what, 30, 35 for men? We're morons. And people don't develop till they're a little older. You take a 15 year old kid and tell them you're going to get to dress just like a cop. I want to be a cop and I'm going to do it. Do you think they really want to be a cop? I didn't even, it didn't cross my mind until after getting out of the infantry. Crossed my mind when I was like 24. Like, okay, I'll do this, but you're taking these young kids and then you're taking these people that probably have some affinity to the uniform and the job and you're putting them out there like, go ahead, go ahead, we're good. Go out there and you'd look just like us, man. And then the dude with a knife walks up and goes, hey, here's a piece of cop. And they can't defend themselves. They have no training, no gun.

[Host 1]

What do they wear? Like, it looks identical.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's identical. It's identical.

[Host 1]

Nypd.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, they have, I watched these chicks get ready. They put everything on except they're like, what he's talking about, like aids. Oh, agencies have explorers. Yeah, I know, but these guys got full blown. Everything's the same gun belt, everything looks identical patches. And they're not Even cops.

[Host 1]

Well, John, what are you. What are you doing nowadays, man? How you said your podcast and rock and rolling for three years.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, yeah, me and Eric Dim Bethel, we got a couple other shows on it. Finance Unfiltered. We're on YouTube. I think we just cracked about 180, 000 subscribers. Well, you know, we're on Spotify, Apple, all that stuff. You know, we hone in on the politics that affect New York City and the nypd. And, you know, sometimes we cover national issues as well. So. But we. We talk a lot about public safety, so it's a good show. We have everybody on. We had Zohra Mandani on. We talk about all the issues. Yes. Not good. I mean, I started asking. I. I started asking him about, you know, the vaccine mandate. Like, you're down cops. Are you gonna rehire the cops that way you fired that you forced out? And he's like, no. You know, and like all this stuff and, you know, he didn't. He last. He lasted about 20 minutes and then he ran out. He never even got to the public safety portion of it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

He walked out.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

I mean, he went out civilly. He was like, oh, I gotta go, I gotta run. But it was like. It was like 20 minutes. Like we. We kept hitting him with questions. And did he get the free transportation through?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, he was gonna give everybody.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

No. No. So last night he just had his first hundred days in office so fast. And free buses just went to fast busters, the free grocery stores went to cheaper groceries. Nothing about freeze the rent. And he's saying how great he's doing with public safety and how crime is at historic lows in New York City, but he's gonna bring forward this new way of policing. It was the most insane thing, but the dudes a rock star. All these young kids love him. All these transplants from all over, they love him. And, and honestly, like, the people that support law enforcement, support common sense, they need to replicate what. What these socialists are doing. And they need to get. They need to get young people more involved in politics because there's no way we're going to beat them. And this is going to get way worse if we're just running the same old tire campaigns. So we do a lot of that. We have, you know, we have all politicians from every. Every army on, come on, campaign on and talk. We talk about the issues. Public safety, mainly.

[Host 1]

All right, well, everybody go. When do you guys drop?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

We do Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays. 08.05 on YouTube, 805 Eastern Standard Time.

[Host 1]

Yep.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

8:05pm Eastern Standard Time.

[Host 1]

I like that because I'm always five minutes late. So why don't we just do 1105,

[Host 2 (Mike)]

then we'll be 1115. My son, my son's up there. He. Just keep an eye out for him. He just landed in LaGuardia this morning, so. All right, New York. He went to AMDA up there. The American music and drama, the two years.

[Host 1]

John's down here with us now.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, really?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, yeah, I still, I still have my house in Staten island, but I. I'm in. I'm in Ponte Vedra now, so. Oh, okay, you guys.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, he drives through there. He might get run over.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, yeah, well, I'm by. I'm by Jacksonville too, so, you know, I keep.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, they shoot. They shoot my hands on the steering

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

wheel when they pull.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Seven. Seven people, I think. Up to seven, I think. So Be careful.

[Host 1]

All right, John, thanks so much for your time, man. Dude, we got to have you in studio sometime and we'll, we'll coordinate a little bit. Better get, get you in here for a full day, man. It'll be a good time.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Pleasure, gentlemen. Keep up.

[Host 1]

All right.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Keep what you're doing. I love the show, guys. Thanks.

[Host 1]

All right, later.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Later, guys.

[Host 1]

Lewis is just watching the interview.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Ready on the commercial, Lewis?

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[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

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[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

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[Host 2 (Mike)]

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[Host 2 (Mike)]

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[Host 1]

No, we're leaving.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No, Monday to Thursday, though. We're coming back Thursday.

[Host 1]

Yeah, we're gonna be coming back Thursday night just because we've got a broadcast

[Host 2 (Mike)]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2 (Mike)]

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[Host 1]

John Mattingly is going to be there. They're teaching all kinds of crazy. And you know, and it's. And it's. If you're A government worker. There's a lot of management stuff here too. But let's be honest with you, it's a cop conference. None of you guys are going to be paying attention in the morning. You're gonna be hungover as so it doesn't matter. So join us. Myrtle beach, four days straight we'll be at Justice X.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

All right. To go back into. I'm going to share something where we're just talking about with like explorers volunteers and all that stuff. We had a guy on that we like pretty much Sheriff Sanders from out there in Washington. Good guy, right? So let's go here and let's look at what they're doing out there. I want you to, I'm going to read this to you.

[Host 1]

Okay.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

They have this gentleman here, he is a cadet.

[Host 1]

He looks like a cop.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

He does look like a cop. Guess what his jobs are. Cadet will be conducting numerous administrative tasks transporting arrestees to jail after patrol deputies place them in custody. So they're going to take a guy that's been arrested for a crime, cuff him and hand him to an unarmed. No, this is, this is Sheriff Sanders is, this is chair.

[Host 1]

He needs to come back on and explain this.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

They're going to help deputies and detectives log evidence. Not a problem with that. Respond to non priority calls for service like found pocket property, parking complaints, disabled vehicles and scenes where traffic control is needed. Unarmed volunteer, not sworn. We had a couple of shoot with a shooting, a big shooting in that Roger shooting down in Palm beach was a, was a disabled vehicle. We had a deputy killed in Miami. That was a traffic crash that they responded to.

[Host 1]

I, I see what they're doing. I get this. What they're doing is they're civilians now because so many people don't want to be cops, but they want the benefits of working for the government. They have civilian roles where they're going and they're taking after the fact reports. But I love them, dude. Anytime a burglar hit the board that was done with, I'd be like, I'm just gonna wait for the one of the civilians to do it. And they dress kind of like us. They have a different color, they kind of look like light brown, I think or gray. And they drive cars that have the emblem but they're just enough to where you know, they're not cop cars and they're civilians and they go out and they try to take the work workload off. But here's the thing is that these civilian roles mean that people are choosing not to be police officers. But still Getting the benefits of a secure job. Now they don't get the 3% danger increase or whatever the that is, but they are still getting the benefits of a government job. That used to just be, hey, you want to be a cop, you got to be a cop to get these benefits. Or a firefighter. Like they're getting the benefits. So what I see what they're doing is they're saying you guys are going to. This is going to be a starter role for you. Was more like before you go to the academy you start learning this. But I really feel like there should be somebody with them at least in twos. You obviously don't have enough to put them with a cop with them unarmed,

[Host 2 (Mike)]

but they give them tasers.

[Host 1]

Well I always said this to the civilians in the agency I used to work for. They, you know, they'd go do reports a burglary, a stolen car. How many times do people come back?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

How many times is it and it's like a criminal. Yeah. Or they come back. Well, they don't show up with it.

[Host 1]

I, I've, I've actually shown up on season. But you're not taking a report for this big dog. I'm not like no, this is civil. This is a drug. This is. You're not doing a report for this. I'm not even gonna let the civilian take a report for this.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

This is what I was getting at was because I posted some explorers. A lot of time people like those are police explorers. If you take a 12 year old kid, 13, 14 year old kid, young, just like they're supposed to join the boy scouts, girl scouts, if we're allowed to call it that anymore. I don't know if there's some other name for it now but. And you tell them, you put them around people like cop stuff like cops was popular still. Cops are outside. We're all looking what's going on in the neighbor's house. You take a young undeveloped mind and say hey man, you're going to be. We're gonna make you a cop one day. All right, great. And then they go up and go. You don't know if they're ready, they don't know if they're ready. And then they get to a certain point where they're like committed because they've been an explorer now for six years. Soft beta haven't done anything physical fit. But now you've been trained. So let's continue the police academy. It's very dangerous. Now you're getting to here to transport. I want you to Say this out loud. An unarmed civilian cadet transporting an arrestee to the jail. What could go wrong?

[Host 1]

I'm gonna hit you with. I'm gonna hit you with some. Let's talk legalities. What do bad guys in the back seat love to do? Assuming they're not freaking out, being psychotic, what are they allowed to do? They love to talk.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Talk. Or give statements about the crime.

[Host 1]

What is a civ? And what point in the. And when I. I don't think I've ever arrested somebody where they weren't with an official badge. At what point are they. If they start talking to a civilian? Is that what if you Mirandize them and said, I want to talk to you. Okay. Now, a civilian, he's a kid. He's gonna go, why'd you rob that store? Bad guy in the back seats. Like, I don't know, man. I just felt like doing it. Okay, you just admitted to a crime and you were asked by a civilian, how does that work?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Host 1]

It's.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I mean, that's the. That's the. To me, that's the. I get it. That's the legal side of it. I'm looking at.

[Host 1]

What about when he has a gun in his waist?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. They missed a gun. Or the dude's like, as soon as I got this car, you know, I'm gonna choke this.

[Host 1]

I'm gonna headbutt this child.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes. Because he's not. Guess what? He doesn't have a gun or training or experience in fighting. I mean, I look at Saunders and I'm like, man, he was a great

[Host 1]

dude to have on great idea himself. He's 10 years younger than me. There's gonna. There's gonna be things that slip through the crack. I. When he came on, as much as I think it's cool, I think it's maybe something that needed to happen. And that's why I asked him about the longevity of his position and his intentions, because I think he. I think Getting Sheriff at 28 years old proved a point. But there's so much wisdom that comes with age. That's why we don't have presidents that are 30 years old.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Could a president, a 30 year old make a lot of change? For sure, he could relate to us. He could figure out what this generation needs. But at the end of the day, there is going to be decisions that he makes that aren't wise because he has no wisdom.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And here's what. Here's what the time. Here's what happens with the times. And this hits home. And this hits where? Last week we talked about how many times we heard the term just an eviction. Right? It's just an eviction.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

We've lost.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I lost a very dear friend.

[Host 1]

We're gonna get to lunch on time.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's just we lost a deputy, a detective last week to an eviction. Now we're going, well, it's just a civilian position. Like, like it is going to take one of these people to get mowed down, murdered, captured, cut to pieces, killed when somebody finally goes, huh, maybe that wasn't a good idea.

[Host 1]

To your point, let's just keep it non crazy people. Because people for some reason don't understand that there are people out there that will attack a uniform.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Yeah. So let's take that out of it. These, these people, these civilians are going to calls, right? I call you, I call the sheriff's office. Office, dude, my car was stolen. I'm pretty sure I know who did it, dude. And I'm like, yeah. And I tell, I articulated like, yeah, it sounds like a theft. It's not civil. We're gonna send you one of our civilians out there. And he shows up and he's taking the report. And the guy goes, that's my truck barreling down the road right now. And what does that civilian do? Because I'll tell you what they do. They get on the radio and they go, they don't even know to scream. They go, can I get another unit here? And like a road unit and the dips back, share with them what's going on. They're like, the guy that stole the vehicles back, everybody, lights and sirens are coming into this person because it's a problem, but they don't know. They're like, oh, he brought his car back.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he. I mean, it's just dangerous all around. When I saw transporting prisoners, I got sent that probably about 15 times. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't like prisoners in the backseat. I'm still like, I searched this guy, took his underwear off everywhere I saw. Still have that thought, what if I was in his butthole? Like, what if I missed the gun in his butthole? Like, I'm nervous. Like, I don't like it. You should always have that feeling of like. And you got some civilian just cooling it out, man. Back on.

[Host 1]

What do you want to listen to on the radio?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, I'm going to the jail, man. I'm not a real cop, but I'm going to the jail, dude. Like, oh my God.

[Host 1]

And we have to have every civilian that gets hired has to get the brief. Do not wear. Women are notorious for this.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

This.

[Host 1]

Do not wear your department issue jacket with the patches on the sleeve that for some reason they get issued. They dispatchers do it all the time. Evidence technicians do it all the time. It's cold out, so they go into the gas station on their way to work with their big sheriff's office jacket that says civilian usually on the patch, but it's a patch that looks 95 like a cop. And they want to wear it because they're proud to wear a uniform. But to me, you know, if you're gonna wear a uniform, you need to wear a uniform you don't like wear.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

How about this? How about. Hold on, can I pause the story from. Oh, yeah, here we go. Boom. What do you think of this one? I posted this on my story in that category. Share screen. Instagram Share Add to screen. Look at this and tell me what you think of this. This is a police officer who is bragging about taking her baby.

[Host 1]

Little man.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

We don't want to put you in there too often, baby.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

What do you think about that?

[Host 1]

All right, I'm gonna have to be frank with you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Okay.

[Host 1]

I am not the person to weigh in on this because baby seat. Not kidding, baby. No, I. When I was a single dad, when I just started taking my kid to daycare, I did it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I'm talking baby seat.

[Host 1]

No, not baby.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And I had people tell me I'm a seat. I'm a car seat installer. Professional. Because agencies pay people. It's not even installed right. But I have done it as well. So I'm not going to get on the high horse that you should never. Yeah, you should. My wife will kill you. Like, she's like, never, never, never, never.

[Host 1]

Child in a target.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

But you have a female who's back from leave, not in uniform, no gun on her. All her equipment's tossed everywhere. She takes her baby to the station, puts her baby in the back patrol car. Bananas, bananas. It is bad bananas. I can see again. And I. I can. I'm not gonna fight, especially the woman at home. It's not good because we get ambushed all the time. But your kids in this car with you. You're driving down the road, you're in a market unit, you're in uniform, you're ready to respond. You might have to throw your kid on the side of the road and go, hey, kid, get out. We have a. Now can somebody ambush you and shoot you? Correct. But to Go pick up a baby in your patrol car like it did in the age she posted on Tick Tock.

[Host 1]

That's one where I'd be like, that's an issue.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. I'd be looking around like, hey, I've been caught. Like, I used to try. I used to take my car to Publix like, mine marked. And I remember one day I was coming out, and I was on that huge diet. I was buying, like, three of those huge packs of eggs. And here comes the sheriff, and I'm like, hey, Sheriff. And I'm like. He said, how's it going? And my car was like. My market, it was like, three cars away. And I'm like, I'm gonna. I think I forgot something. But go back in. Like, I didn't want to walk up to my car that's on a loan. Just your baby in the car. And you put on Tick Tock, dude.

[Host 1]

Opsec, man. People want to do bad things to people. So there's a couple things that happened recently.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Throw a fit.

[Host 1]

I can see him. He's hyperventilating back there. We had this. This crazy thing happened. The doorbell guy. Did you see that doorbell?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, yeah. Did you see the room clearing?

[Host 1]

Well, everybody's saying that it might be. People are like, is it AI? I don't think it is, but it was. It's pretty nuts, man. When you think about you, you. Yeah, I'll send you. Unless you got the video. I'll send the videos. I mean, every. Okay. Everybody's seen the guy that shows up.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

I know.

[Host 1]

Don't have it, dude. My wife sent it to my personal page, but I gotta send it. But the guy walks up to the doorbell, he starts screaming frantically in it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I might have it. Hold on.

[Host 1]

You got it?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Maybe.

[Host 1]

My wife sends me so much stuff.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

That's what I'm looking.

[Host 1]

I gotta scroll through it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I think she posted it.

[Host 1]

All right, I got it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You got it?

[Host 1]

Okay. Boom. There's two of them. Boom. So we've all seen the. Where he's actually in the doorbell screaming, let me in. And he's smashing, punching the ring doorbell. But here's one. I'm gonna pause it up. He's actually in the guy's house. Oh, yeah. Victor, you around

[Host 2 (Mike)]

little girls? That part sounds like he's there for the right reason. Said, you want to rape little girls? You try me. I swear to God.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

For the police department.

[Host 1]

Oh, wow.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Look at that.

[Host 1]

See, that's what I'm saying. Like, oh, watch the building clearing.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, you gotta go back. That's what I was looking for.

[Host 1]

She just opened that door up.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No guns out. There's two more dudes coming. Watch this. Watch the dudes walk.

[Host 1]

I've got a good one.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

This is building clearing 101. For a guy that's in there beating up like. That's what I posted. That was my part. Okay, like, what the dude? Like, you got. You got that call and you walk through the house like that without a gun out and like, just open the doors.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Bananas.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Bananasville Police Department. Oh, we're still clearing more announcements. Oh, I heard a gun come out for a minute. Where the. Is she

[Host 1]

all right? There's another one where they actually fight.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, I saw that one.

[Host 1]

Then this guy claims he goes, were you in the military? He's like, yeah. Everybody in the comments are like, oh, that's so nice of him to consider, like. And then other people are like, dude, you're the guy. You think this guy was in the military? The guy's screaming, screaming in sand. God, I'll kill you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Do you understand me? Might be a former sniper.

[Host 1]

Get the out of my house.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You think you can shot me?

[Host 1]

I will say nothing. There's no. You liar. I can hear her.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I can hear you. You son. Who the do you think you are? My name is Henry.

[Host 1]

Get the out of my house. I gotta hear screaming.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

One.

[Host 1]

Not there. Get the out of my third room.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Walk the out. What's the third room?

[Host 1]

I mean that essentially it's. I mean, it. It's more of that. It's, you know, he's got a shovel. This is horrifying for a man that has a family, a wife or kids or both that are at the house when you're not, man. He got inside. That's the crazy part. I didn't know this dude got inside.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, you know, so thank God my wife can shoot.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, scary dude.

[Host 1]

My wife can dab you're in the throat. She knows where the gun is. I don't know. My wife intimidates. What do you call those solicitors? She makes them real. She's not.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Don't you.

[Host 1]

She's really. We have a sign. They walk right by it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I don't.

[Host 1]

But she, she, she tells solicitors like, I, I. You walk by the sign and she like, yeah. So I don't know what. I don't know if really there's much you can do in that scenario, but there's the doorbell guy.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Here.

[Host 1]

Here's one thing I wanted to ask you, Mike. Your opinion. I know you saw it. Take a guess what what happened? What happened in the world of policing and over the weekend, that's just. Here, I'll show it to you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh,

[Host 1]

my wife asked me, are you gonna cover this? And I go. I told her, oh. They honestly.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

See my comment right there?

[Host 1]

I was like, I. I don't think you're gonna really.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I thought this was America. You can spend that. Every one. That dude's in the very back of the stack. They're. They're downtime.

[Host 1]

Yeah. A lot of people don't understand when you're. You're. When you're in or around that bearcat, it's not like you're ready to kill. It's.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You're using forward. There's, like, usually, like a qrf. You're just downtime. You're waiting, waiting, waiting. Everybody gets their phone out. I don't think it's right that they zoomed in on his phone. I don't think.

[Host 1]

I think that's super up. That clearly shows they're targeting law enforcement, because that's obviously a police or a news camera. Yes. These guys. Look at him, dude. These guys are pros. This guy. I mean, at the end of the day, if he was texting somebody, would they have cared? He's still on his phone. If he was playing Candy Crush, do you think they would have cared? No, the world wouldn't have cared. Maybe his admin would be like, hey, dude, don't be on your phone. But the fact it's only because he's on a dating site, I love it, dude.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You know how much that dude's catching? Oh, dude.

[Host 1]

Hey, hey, Jerry.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

She deserves. She. It should be mandatory that chick goes on a date with him. Mandatory, dude. For catching all that hell. I mean, what's the most, you know, a best. A best functioning male as well, you know? Everything's running good, dude. Plumbing's working. Everything's going well, you know?

[Host 1]

I mean, clear. You take it. I'm telling you, man, you take those Alpha dudes, you. You get. Those SWAT guys are not gonna come. You know, they're not. They're.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

They're a different breed.

[Host 1]

They're a different breed. They like to put their wieners.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

At least it wasn't Grinder.

[Host 1]

I'm open. I'm hoping he's not married. That I hope to God.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, I never thought of that.

[Host 1]

It. You know, a lot of people say he gets what he gets, and that's true. And. But I. I just hope that for his family's sake, if he is married, for his wedding, for his.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I Can't relationship. I can answer that. For his relationship, though. I was looking at this site because I wanted to make sure I never got back here again.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I needed to know where these

[Host 2 (Mike)]

sites are, so that way there's never a confusion. This girl I definitely don't want to ever see in public because she liked my profile. I don't want to ever see her. So I was making sure I knew who she was. Like, yeah, if he's married, that's a bigger problem. I just, I remember the whole breakdown and nightmare of like, traffic cam ability to zoom use the traffic cameras and stuff was that we're not allowed to like, look in people's cars and houses. There was a huge, like, issue with like, privacy. So why can the news from that and, and the other thing first, for a search warrant for the police, in order to get PC, you have to use your eye. If you're in a helicopter, you can't use the, the camera on the helicopter to zoom in. So why are they zooming in on the dude's phone?

[Host 1]

Because they're just trying to burn a cop. They don't need anything. I remember when I let him cook, I went into my. When I, you know, when people were trying to frame me for. I said, I looked at him. I was done with my interview that I didn't have to go to. And I said, this guy doesn't care to ruin my reputation. This guy doesn't care to tarnish the reputation of the agency, and this guy doesn't care to tarnish the reputation of police in general. This guy's a psychopath. And then I was like, by the way, you've used them in our block training for what not to do. And they were like, oh, yeah. So at the end of the day, they'll ruin this guy's six months. He'll probably get probation. They're gonna be like, we have to do something. Yeah, he'll kick him off the team for six months. But at the end of the day,

[Host 2 (Mike)]

anybody knows that guy. I know 6 Jedi's is out that way. Anybody knows that guy. Get us in touch with him on the slide. I'd love to talk to him because, I mean, that's.

[Host 1]

I don't think you can sue. You can't sue the news channel.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I wonder if it's in any of the laws in California with that privacy law, because he's in. I guess he's in a public place. But again, you're using a camera to zoom in on somebody's personal phone and in a In a trial, that would not fly. In a suppression hearing, that would not fly. You couldn't use it. The damage is done, though, as well. All right, hold on. We got a guy here. Talk to this guy, man.

[Host 1]

Miami Dade Sheriff.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah. What? Hey, do us a favor, like, reach out to me on Copville. It sounds like you have some issues I'd love to talk about, or if you're not a cop and you got somebody with you, I would love to hear about it.

[Host 1]

Yeah, Mike. Like, more than in the con.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I like to.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I like to call what's called accountability because I've been very accountable. So Miami Dade sharers, if you got something, message at Copville, OG and let's talk.

[Host 1]

All right. There he is, baby.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, boy.

[Host 1]

G Money.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Hey, guys. Finally made time for me. Thanks a lot.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, it's 12:30, right when we're supposed to. Actually, it's exactly.

[Host 1]

I told him 12.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Exactly. Oh, he told him 1220. All right, my bad.

[Host 1]

I. We got a lot of stuff to cover with you, Nick. First off, I want to cover with you your favorite person in the world.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You look terrible. Don't worry about it.

[Host 1]

What is this, Nick? What is this? Have you seen this?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Our savior Donald Trump saving America from the evils of the world.

[Host 1]

I mean, seriously, is it something that he posted? It just started.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Somebody else called out the Pope, dude.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Somebody else that he didn't. If he, if he would have posted it, dude. It's a terrible look,

[Host 1]

but somebody else.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yeah, I'm pretty. I'm almost positive somebody else. Adam something. Adams. Adams, Joseph.

[Host 1]

Northern provision states that President Trump post an AI picture of himself as Jesus healing the sick. Pope Leo is weak on him. Crime and terrible in foreign policy talks. Furious. I don't know. I, I. Dude, that's the sad.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

He's trolling the poo.

[Host 1]

You know what's funny is, you know, AI has gotten so out of control that we don't question. I'm friends with a. We're friends with people that post a lot of. On Instagram. They're not even waiting to see if it's true. We just gotta wait and see if it's AI. It used to be if you're gonna be the first one to report on something, you really got to try to make sure it's true. And you hit about 70, 80%. It's probably true. And you post it, right? Because you don't want to be the last one. Because once it's 100 verified to be true, it's old news. But now we're not even looking for if it's true. We're looking to see if it's AI.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes.

[Host 1]

And I don't even know.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Host 1]

No, you go ahead.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

A good rule of thumb is to wait 24 hours. After 24 hours, the real story starts showing. It starts showing itself, usually every time.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Isn't that the same for STDs?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Two weeks. For STDs, two weeks.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Okay.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yeah. You can get gonorrhea from a blow job. So just be careful out there.

[Host 1]

All right? Be careful.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I'm good.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I mean, this. This big page is stating that Donald Trump posted that, but I don't. Do you see anything on.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Not on True Social. I don't see it. I do see this posted. Dude's what, nuts, man.

[Host 1]

What do you post?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

He posted a picture of his casino, his Trump Plaza Hotel on the moon. It's nuts, man. Absolutely nuts. I don't see on True Social where he posted that picture. He was at the UFC fight the other night.

[Host 1]

Hey, we got a request from one of our blue collar boys out in Philly. I talked to you. Is he frozen or just staring? He. They. They said they wanted us to cover it. It's. It's huge in the blue collar industry, and it happened right in Philly. So I asked Nick if he heard about it. He said he had heard about it, but apparently a parking garage collapsed.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Collapsed?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yeah, in the Grace Ferry section of South Philadelphia. Parking garage that was being put up by Chop Children's Hospital Philadelphia something the neighborhood in South Philly, which is congested already with traffic, did not want. They farted tooth. And now. And listen, Chops are a major contributor to the city of Philadelphia. Billions of dollars annually each year. So they're pretty much going to get one what they want, but the neighborhood was fighting it. They didn't want this. This parking garage tower down there. And apparently, you know, the scuttlebutt around the neighborhood is, you know, permits were given out when they shouldn't have been given out. You know, pretty loose, and corners were cut and everything wasn't being followed as it should have been, which, I mean, makes sense and wouldn't be the first time in Philadelphia where corners are cuts and permits were given out when they should. So yet two people were stuck in the rubble for a couple days. They just retrieved their bodies today. Yeah, Matthew Kane and a Mark Scott Jr. Apparently, Matthew Kane was from Philadelphia area. Scott's family refused to make any comments about it. And then you had a guy who was pulled from the rug Almost immediately. He died at the hospital. Stephen Chevchuk was a Ukrainian immigrant who apparently immigrated the United States legally and. And was working, but he died at the hospital unfortunately. So. Yeah, so three people from this. Yeah dog man, they just knocked the building down today or, you know, overnight. And apparently they did a pretty shitty job of doing that too. They. I believe they damaged some local businesses from taking it down.

[Host 1]

Wow. All this. You wonder why the. The city corruption, man. The blue collar guys that are building it. The building a structure that nobody wants but the money's wanted by the politicians and then this happens.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Can, you know this hospital, man, they get what they want.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Yeah, I know.

[Host 1]

Well, yeah, I. Cancer kids get what they want.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yeah, dude, I'm talking about. I'm talking about the. The business itself.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Kids, huh?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Eminent domain, taking over houses for the greater good. You know, it's what communism does.

[Host 1]

Yeah. So the blue collar boys asked her to cover that one.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Man, I've seen. I've seen the corruption through L and I throughout the years. I knew a bar that was in my district and the way they passed L and I, every time the inspector came in, he got an envelope. True story. I won't reveal the business. It was a bar or, you know, where it was. And I remember the inspector dying. I was like, so what are you going to do now? Like, yeah, we'll just see. We can't grease the new guy coming in.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And the importance of this is to show like blue, the dot and the job. Everything's dangerous. The whole world is full of dangerous jobs. And I understand the police world is most highlighted when cops get killed. In it should be protectors of all of us. I get it. But that's our. Our message is that every day out there, hard working. Dude, I don't want to put a garage together with concrete on the million years.

[Host 1]

I quit the next day.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes. Here you are. So you got guys mining, you got guys oil workers, you got truck drivers, you got guys building buildings. Those guys are they. We have to have them. They're super important to society and it's great that we can.

[Host 1]

Why don't they be the 30 by 30?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, oh. Because it's not possible. No. Yeah, exactly. That might be the smartest thing you've ever said since I've known you. That might be the smartest thing you've ever said. Where's the 30 by 30 concrete on the oil fields? Yeah. Where are they at? Where they putting the big wheel on their walking exact. I want 30 in that category. You're Right. Good point.

[Host 1]

I love. There was a meme or a real going around for a Taylor Swift concert. And she was sitting there on her concert telling all of her Swifties. I know you're one of them, but telling all of her Swifties. We don't need men because there's like 95 women and then 5% gay dudes like Mike at the concert. And it went. Somebody actually took. Found footage of Swift's concert being built. All men building it, erecting everything, security, everything handled by men. So women could go have a thing where they talk about how they don't need men if the jokes write itself. Could you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You think 30 women can handle the. That job? Concrete job, Nick?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Absolutely not. You might be able to find 5% that could do it if that.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You think 30 should be cop.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

No, none of them should be cops. They shouldn't vote either.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I get him to say that. So I sound much better.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

They shouldn't be voting either.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, we're going deep now. But it shouldn't be voting. He said.

[Host 1]

All right, I got. I got. I got some good ones for you. We got. We got a really big supporter. We actually have a family of supporters. They're. They're three generations of supporters, and I'm getting them all loaded now. I need about 10 seconds to do this, but three generations of people, that's usually police work, that's usually firefighters, it's usually military. Lots of generations of men continue to follow in their. Follow their father's footsteps. But it. It's just. It's so inspiring to see. See this gonna get canceled now. And so I, I know everybody. I know you two can see what I'm pulling up. But it. And the last one is. It's really good. First off, there's the John Tavius, the Martin family, and they're all huge supporters of the show. I know Lil. John Tavius III is a huge supporter of us. He's more technologically based. But then there's John Tavius Martin senior, and he seems to have his life. He's got that wisdom to have his life together. John Tavius Martin Jr. However, is the one that's really. He's in trouble all the time. We don't have anything on him. He's not really too much on social media. He's in and out of jail. He's really. His life up. But the entire broadcast and the Martin family are trying to get John Tavius Jr. Back up on track. But we've got some. You know, look at this one from little John Tavius TV Martin iii.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Hey, Tyler.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Mike from the Anti Hero show.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I haven't made it to a show

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

yet because I am staying away from all my kids.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Moms, keep up the good work.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Peace.

[Host 1]

I mean, you just can't.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

And then. But God, this is blackface, dude.

[Host 1]

No, it's not. This is. This is the Martin family and his comedy.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Right? This is a comedy show.

[Host 1]

Yes. Grandpa weighed in.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Mike, this is John Tavius, Martin the first. Have you seen my son? His kids were asking where he went. Tell him to come and see me.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Owes me $10.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, my God.

[Host 1]

But you know, John, Little John Tavius is a big supporter of our T shirt companies. Did you know that? First off, Nick, he's a big. I did not know that. You launched your podcast already with little John Tavius. Why don't you tell me that?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

I didn't know that either.

[Host 1]

Yeah, stop lying, Nick.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I'm percent this is John Tavius. You can see me out here with G Money live on the G Spot podcast, telling G Money. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, you don't have to lie to us, Nick. I know you want to make it the feature, like big and hit Tuesday at 7pm Eastern Standard Time, but he could have told us, dude. He's a big supporter of ours too. But I mean, you got. Dude, little John Tavius is buying our merch.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Check this out, Mike, It's John Tavius. Can you tell this man that we cool? I got the Cotville T shirt.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Look, use hood 15 for 15 off.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, my God, dude, hood 15 will

[Host 1]

get you 15 off at cotville, og.com or counterculture ink threads.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I don't have to worry about running shirt.

[Host 1]

I mean, just so much.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

John Tavi is here. I got this new t shirt from countercultureinkthreads.com use a discount code. Hood 15 for 15 off.

[Host 1]

And you ain't just big support from the Martin family. And we hope that John Tavius Martin Jr gets his life together, pays his dad back $10, and it's a good father figure to little John Tavia. So that way, way Lil Jon Tavius,

[Host 2 (Mike)]

you've just back to back. Outdone yourself. Back to back.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

I don't know how good tattoos.

[Host 1]

I mean, I. I gotta give it to the 99. They. They put us in contact with Lil John Tavis. They spent a lot of time, especially the counterculture gaming dudes, linking us up with little John Tavius. Lots of time.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, my God.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Well, it was fun, guys, while I lasted. It's good, good run.

[Host 1]

It's real you can't tell anymore, can we?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Nope. That's why the 24 hour rule is a good rule, dude. Yeah, it's gay.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I think that video is still gonna be there in 24 hours.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yeah, listen, it's gay, dude, to be like, I just broke news. Like, unless you're working on a story and you're breaking the news that no one else has, it's. It's a different world, man. It's not like it was 40 years ago when you run into the phone to call your, you know, your editor to say, yo, man, I got a breaking story. And New York Times is first. That shit's over with, dude. Everyone's breaking the news. Most people are just getting it from a news app that put it out the fastest. Just wait 24 hours, dude. You can talk about it, say, listen, it's not confirmed, but this is a story that's out. And then you wait 24 hours and you find out if it's real or not.

[Host 1]

I mean, what everybody's doing is, I'm seeing it now. I mean, they're posting things that I'm like, are they. So they're trying to build Instagram pages. I get that. Be the first one to post it, the viral video that goes out. But I mean, they're posting clear cut AI, like, clear as day AI. And I don't know if they're just doing it to be funny, to see how many people they can get to follow, or if they. They're moving so quick they can't even see that it's AI, Bro, it is bad.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's bad. I see a page where it's like, all white dudes that are commenting on, like, videos, bro, that's so bad. And I get them sent to me. It happens all the time. Like, look at this chick. And I'm like, the chicks on all fours in the gym, like, leather uniform on, like, you guys, that's not real. No, it's not. You haven't seen it either, so shut your mouth. Wait, wait, there's one where she's doing, like, the different position. That's AI, Dude.

[Host 1]

There was one, but I thought there was. Okay, I thought Dom covered it, said she was fired.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No, that's a different one.

[Host 1]

Oh, okay.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

There's multiple. And it's getting so good. What they're doing is they're just changing the uniform color and changing the location, like, different background. They're starting a only fans link. And then people are thinking, this is a real person. And then look how custom you can make it. You could be like, nick just paid $30 for a custom video. Plug the name in, make it do what it wants to do, hit send, and he pays.

[Host 1]

Is it unethical or immoral or Christian?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Immoral.

[Host 1]

Immoral.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Immoral.

[Host 1]

Immoral, unethical or unchristian to create an AI Only fans to have dudes sign up.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Only fans is. The line is already drawn at the only fans.

[Host 1]

But if you're not violating anybody's human rights and you're not exploiting women, if you're. If it's just AI and cuck, dudes want to sign up and think it's real. It's kind of like tying a rope to a bicycle and letting somebody take off on it. You didn't do anything wrong.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No, it's like selling them counterfeit money. You see the skits? They gotta. They arrested the guy over here that was here.

[Host 1]

I sent it to you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes. I had a guy walk up with AI and he walks up to the cop and it shows a guy breaking in John Tavius.

[Host 1]

Where.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Breaking into his car.

[Host 1]

And he's like, hey, dude, Will Jon Tavis.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

He walks up to the cop and he's like, hey, this dude just broke your car. And it's a video of the cop car getting broken into. It's all AI and like, the cop runs out. What have. Like, does all that. Yeah, we watched it here.

[Host 1]

No, we didn't watch that one.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, we did. We watched it somewhere. Yeah, we watched it.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Watch it on here.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, we did.

[Host 1]

Last week, the Seminole county guy.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, before the rest was made. Yeah.

[Host 1]

No, it was a different one. Dude. This was here in Seminole County. The guy was at the Academy Sports next to my house at the. I know it's real. It's not AI, because I. I've been at that checkout like 100 times. And the guy comes up and shows him a video and they do a pip of this deputy who looks like he would. He's a kind of a goof troop. Anyways, gets runs out. Runs out there and he's. Dude, he's checking the back of the car, the tail end of the car. And then they arrested him on like all kinds of crazy charges like tampering with evidence, making a false police.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

That's what that is. That's false. False advertisement. Dude, what do you think? Fake Only fans is that. Is that is the game that skewed that. You can have a. You can be paying for fake stuff.

[Host 1]

I don't. Is there something in only fans saying it has to be real people?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yes, yes. Monetize you and kick you off the platform if they find out you have fake.

[Host 1]

I didn't know that.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

I look into it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's our expert witness.

[Host 1]

He was trying to. He was trying to make his toes look like chick toes. Come on, baby. Yeah, come on.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You ever want a man,

[Host 1]

I'll give

[Host 2 (Mike)]

you $50 for a pick of Heather's feet.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Don't do anything for me, dude.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

We gotta.

[Host 1]

Well, they might do it for 20 of the male population.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, and if 20 pays 10 bucks, man, you're making some money.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

My feet picks all that. All right, Send them some dirty socks.

[Host 1]

Oh, why, it's here.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Are you ready for. Why you want to hang out with us while we have Wyatt?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yeah, from Ukraine.

[Host 1]

Yeah, of course. I mean, not really, but I don't want to be mean.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Wyatt.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Hey. How's it going, bro?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You've been sending me videos.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

There's.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Sometimes they're too big to get in Patreon, but I want everybody to know you're. You're still with us, you're still giving updates, and you're still keeping us posted. What's the word over there?

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

I have no idea how Patreon even works, so let me know if I can change something on my end.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's a. It's a mic problem.

[Host 1]

Mike's gonna be giving away stuff soon.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Hopefully right here you might see some of the prizes I already got him. He doesn't may 1st.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Well, to kick things off, I went out and I found a drink that was exactly 43 and a half rivna, which comes up to 99 cents. So for you, your goons, hooligans, OGs, vagabonds, scallywags, and yes, you rush cunts out in Western Australia, I love you guys.

[Host 1]

Cheers, man.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

99 cents.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No, you're good.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

All right.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I thought maybe was a headset for you.

[Host 1]

Plug it in for him.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I don't have to do it. All right.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Referring back to the start of the show and the baseball bat incident, just for all of you out there, if you do decide that you want to use a baseball bat as a weapon, a wooden bat does a lot more damage to the human body than aluminum. Gonna go with. Trust me, bro. Just trust me. When making your choice. A wooden baseball bat does more damage when hitting somebody compared to an aluminum bat.

[Host 1]

Really? I thought. I mean, but, like, the wooden bats are a lot heavier, so you gotta be able to swing that heavy of a bat.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

That's a user issue.

[Host 1]

I mean, look at it like police batons. The asp. The collapsible ass that we use is very lightweight aluminum. Metal as aluminum, steel, aluminum.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I don't know.

[Host 1]

But I mean, we. They used to use wooden billy clubs. What do you think hurts more?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

They were like PVC. It was like the PR24s, those things. They're wood at some point, but for a while they're there like that,

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

choking somebody out. It stayed like a permanent.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I think that hurts worse that pvc.

[Host 1]

Like, which one was that?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Pr. The one with the L. Like it's a stick and it's got the little L on this.

[Host 1]

Right after they were wood first they had slap jacks. Yeah, My dad always carried my dad when he. I mean, in the late 90s, mid 2000s, from that like nine year period, he was grandfathered in to carry his wooden. Everybody knew him because he had the. Obviously the little loop and he would carry his wooden baton and he was allowed to. But if you were hired after they got rid of those, you couldn't. You had to carry that.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I still. They still had PR24s in the car when I started. Dude, you had to do the little training and practice blocking.

[Host 1]

They're kind of cool.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, you can do a lot of damage with it if you want to just beat people up. There's no. There's no real control with it, but I mean, you can choke people with it. Like Nick said, it's good for that. The only thing I ever used to ask for was breaking windows and getting people to stop chewing crack. I pull it out and just shove it in the side.

[Host 1]

I used to wake up bums with it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Just poke them.

[Host 1]

Yep. Poke them somewhere else.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

I had a coco bolo stick with lead poured down the middle.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, that means.

[Host 1]

I don't know what that means either.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

You hollow out.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

You hollow out the night stick and you pour lead in the middle of it.

[Host 1]

Did you really do that? Yeah, yeah. He also took a guy hostage once, so I believe it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

Perfectly fine.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

What else? Why, what else is. What's the. What's the. What's the word? Everything calm. Any. Any drones flying around?

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Well, the news at the moment is about the, the Easter ceasefire. Zelinsky had announced his desire to have a 48 hour ceasefire over Easter. Putin rejected it and then like two hours later announced a ceasefire for Easter

[Host 2 (Mike)]

it.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Short answer, Just like every other ceasefire he's agreed to, it was not followed, but the front lines did quiet down quite a bit. My specific area, we didn't have a single bomb all night, but both sides on Actual out in the Badlands, both sides made a big effort to claim and extract all of their bodies and get as many of their wounded out as they could. Because there was, you know, mixed reception to the ceasefire. A lot of people did abide it. Not allowed for a lot of bodies to be brought out. But as soon as 24 hours was up. Yeah, they're bombing us again. A couple hundred drones over the night.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yay. Sounds fun.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Now, most of my updates have been going to the Patreon, but for the audience at home, because the apac, Fury and straight of Hormuz situation, fuel prices have skyrocketed. Trump lifted the oil sanctions on Russia to try to ease that, to let them sell fuel to the global market. We have taken issue with that and we've been bombing the ship out of their oil ports as a result. Since that money goes to killing us.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Whoa, what a circle, right? What a circle. Trump lets them sell gas to our oil to keep our gas down, which leads to them trying to kill Ukraine,

[Host 1]

which means Ukraine is now bombing Russia

[Host 2 (Mike)]

more in response to the US lifting sanctions. It's a nice little circle.

[Host 1]

Yeah, we're all a big family here in the world. Yeah.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

So your, your fuel prices aren't coming down. That's our bad. Feel free to yell at us for that one. Can't deflect blame on that.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It was actually like I paid like 3.98. It was down below 4.

[Host 1]

Thanks, Wyatt. That's good to you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

That was that one bomb you guys missed.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

I left that one alone just for you guys. The tanker going right for Florida.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

There you go.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

So we've been bombing their oil. Trying to read my notes here.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You're. You're a guy. What do you think about all that? That circle jerk of Trump, Russia, geopolitics. What's your take on that G money?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

So, just touched on something earlier. Nick Adams was the original maggot influencer that posted the picture of Donald Trump depicted as Jesus, not Donald Trump. So again, fake news. Everyone running around, sharing, talking out their ass. But if Trump was the one, I wouldn't agree with it. But I agree with his assessment of the Pope, especially the last Pope sucked. He's a communist. I don't think Jesus, his whole idea of the church was that, was to create its own country nation that owns more land than anybody else in the globe and sitting on more money than God himself at the Vatican. Stolen treasure throughout the the land for years. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of it. So no longer Catholic. I'm A Christian, but not Catholic.

[Host 1]

Hey, Wyatt, somebody told us to ask you about Chosen Company.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Was that a documentary?

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Yeah, they did have a documentary made about them. Currently it no longer exists, but they were. When the war kicked off, the International Legion formed up. It was a bit of a shit show. And Chosen Company, group of American and Brit veterans formed their own army company focused on, you know, western doctrine, fast attack to tactics. And they, they actually, they did a lot of good. They were a very good light infantry force. They were functioning, I want to say two and a half, maybe three years. They had been balanced between a few different brigades. Eventually they dissolved. I hear that they're going to be reforming soon. Their commander is current, is Ryan O'. Leary. He's currently over at 3rd Assault Brigade Tempest Group. But I hear that they're going to try to reform Chosen Company. The idea with them is try to be as western as possible, not be bogged down with Ukrainian bureaucratic mass with poor. How do I describe. I don't know what the word I'm thinking of to try to function, like I said, as American as possible as a unit without interference from Soviet minded officers. Yes. For questions about that. I believe on Twitter he's a Ryan o'. Leary, Chosen Company. I. I don't have bad things to say about them. I make fun of them like I do everyone. But as a unit, I don't have bad things to say about them.

[Host 1]

All right. Yeah, people, and you gotta, we gotta. We gotta get you in the 99 defending yourself over here. Efron saying you eat hot dogs without chewing. That's.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

It's an acquired talent. Acquired talent.

[Host 1]

Somebody, somebody said you work for FOG in Ohio. I will say this, Everybody was like, how do we know? How do we know why it isn't just in the States putting on a baklava? It's nowhere in the United States is it dark right now.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Not only that, I've heard the bombs going off outside this apartment. So unless that's pretty.

[Host 1]

Well, I mean, Chicago is pretty shitty, but pretty realistic.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Also, Mike, while you were gone on your. On your swingers cruise, we worked it out with the guys that when Lewis graduates, he's going to come out here and join a drone team for a little bit.

[Host 1]

Damn Lewis.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Singing Cuban and droning everything but producers.

[Host 1]

This is gonna make a lot of money one day.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Yeah, he better remember us. Remember all that pizza. I know.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

He's a wunderkind. Hey, Lewis, do you have your passport ready? You got to get on that paperwork. It takes a few months.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You have your Passport, Louis, I have no. No passport here. You can go to Puerto Rico.

[Host 1]

That's it.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

All right, bro. We appreciate you coming on, man. They keep firing this stuff away. I'll keep getting it out there. And as always, man, be safe. And we're thinking about you, dude. Don't, don't. Don't end up blowed up.

[Host 1]

Yeah, don't die, bro.

[Wyatt (Ukraine correspondent)]

Hey, hey, don't tell me what to do. You're not my boss. But you guys take care. Let me know if there's anything I can do on my end. So stay dangerous and don't pay taxes.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Hell yeah.

[Host 1]

Better, bud.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Almost done. I want to play just a little clip from our guests we're have Wednesday.

[Host 1]

Okay?

[Host 2 (Mike)]

You cool with that?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

This guy is a former Jersey cop turned comedian. He's going to come on Wednesday. I'm gonna play a little. A little bit of his stuff.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

All right, everybody get together. Recruits, hurry up front, center. All right, listen, I am a white belt. Yesterday we learned the art of get back.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Very effective on the street. Use it on the sixth floor.

[Host 1]

Naked guy. Okay?

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

He'll.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It'll always work.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

Anyway, today we're learning some techniques about grappling, okay? Some jiu jitsu, right? So this is. This is how you start in your stance, okay? Everybody pay attention. Pay the attention. All right, listen, you just sit down here. You tell them, get in my guard. Get in my guard.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Get in my guard.

[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

You need to to slide your butt across. Get in my guard.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

So he will be on. He's good stuff. And he. He's taken off quick. His page has grown almost 10,000 followers, I think now. Efren Islam, Zakaria. He's a former Jersey cop.

[Host 1]

G Money hates him. You said Islam. Islam doesn't matter now.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

He did. Like, he's one. He definitely fits in with us because he only did 15 years.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

He was funny.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

He's from Jersey. He does comedy. I talked to him. He's blowing up. People are sending. First I thought I was like, oh, tik tok Cop guys are sending it to me.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

And then I said, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. You can't use that language. Blowing up.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Oh, my bad.

[Host 1]

Not Islam. Islam.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

So, but anyway, his page is. His page is exploding. Exploding? No. Exploding page is detonating. This page is just cutting the heads off people with the cop. But now his pages blowed up. People are sending me the videos. At first I was like. And then I started looking in. He does some pretty good skits. He's a turn cop turned comedian. So we're Having on Wednesday to tell us his story and how he ended up where he is.

[Host 1]

CC said it's 10 bucks. It's for supporting me when no one else would. With the boys 99 for life. This show is obviously for the boys. And Nick is launching his live broadcast, his live podcast Tuesday 7. 7pm on the counterculture Inc. Network. We made the. Me and Nick made the intro for us.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

I can only imagine it's really.

[Host 1]

It's pretty cool.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Don't forget canine couldn't get to us today. He was busy at work. But he'll be on tonight. 7pm Counterculture Sports with K9 is live. Tuesday nights is Nick. We had a whole lineup now. Whole week. We put a reel out there.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

It's a show.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

It's a show.

[Host 1]

Sorry. That's what it's like when you tell everybody where the antihero broadcast network. I'm like, I'm pretty sure he's just made up three of those words. But I'm like, no, we're just the anti hero broadcast. He goes, all right, hey everybody. Join the anti air broadcast network.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Joe Exotic. Oh, we're gonna have him on Joe Exotic Wednesday, right?

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Good.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Oh, 30 minutes.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

We'll have the. We have the community coming on at noon. And at 11:30am we have a 30 minute block where all you're going to get an opportunity to super chat and ask the tiger king himself live on the air, questions about himself courtesy of G Money, who tracked all that down and did all the work for us, the talent. I'm gonna pass the glue bottle over to you, man. You're ready. You're in the lobby 20 minutes early. You're always on time. You're always. You're always sending the stuff. You're. You're probably the new glue. Definitely not. Tyler. He's falling asleep over here.

[Host 1]

No, I'm not. But anything else? I'm starving.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

No, me too.

[Host 1]

It's lunchtime, boys. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Let's go.

[Host 1]

And tomorrow during the day, we'll see

[Host 2 (Mike)]

you at 11am for the enter broadcast entertainment show.

[Host 1]

First hours obviously for everybody on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. The second hour is exclusively for Patreon where we dive in, you know, deep into the drama.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

So Anti Hero broadcasting, no network. What are you.

[Host 2 (Mike)]

Is he saying? Done for the day.

[Host 1]

I can't put him down because he's gonna put himself right back up. He's got Access tomorrow, live, 11pm Eastern Standard Time. Facebook, YouTube, Twitter. There he is. I will see you guys tomorrow.

[Nick (Co-host/Guest)]

Okay, bye.

[Host 1]

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[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

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[Host 2 (Mike)]

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[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2 (Mike)]

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[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

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[John Makari (Retired NYPD Lieutenant)]

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