C (2:53)

Help, but tomorrow we'll run it the whole. Are they one day a week or the whole? Every day they want.

A (2:57)

They want one day. But they wanted Mondays because they know Mondays are the largest crowd. So we have to figure out a.

C (3:03)

Way to come Thursday Thursday is twice in one day.

B (3:06)

We can do that when we go live. That'll be massive.

C (3:09)

So.

B (3:14)

Well, yeah, so this is one of the things that Mike can talk about. I mean, I'm sure you probably can too, but I bet Mike understands this. A lot of times when you have these civil. These civil trials that end up going to discovery and things like that, there's a lot of criminal stuff that ends up coming out. That's why people don't want to go to discovery. In this case, we didn't even go to discovery and he's already admitting war crimes.

A (3:38)

What's the war crimes? Is it the, the somebody shooting somebody when they're dead in the face is a war crime?

B (3:44)

So. No, that. I mean, we. I mean, we train that. I mean, think about it. When you guys trained, you know, doing Battle Drill One Alpha, right? We, we trained putting security rounds into the EPWS as we passed them, right? That there's good reason to do that. The problem is once he's dead, according to Rob, when the guy was already dead and on the ground, and while he was standing next to him, somebody shot him right there. So everything's secure. We know this guy's dead. We're all doing, we're doing ssc, we're doing all that stuff. And then somebody walked up and popped him. That's mutilating an enemy corpse. That's a war. That is a war crime. What's even worse, though, is making false official statements to the higher ups, right? That's. That's a crime. That's a punishable under the ucmj. And remember, this is the official narrative that the President of the United States went off of. So according to Rob, he is the reason why everything looks so weird is because he was covering for somebody who committed a war crime. And that's why he didn't tell the whole truth. And that's why it looks like there's deception, is that he's covering for somebody who committed a war crime.

A (5:10)

Well, it doesn't look like deception. It is deception. He's admitting to being deceptive.

B (5:16)

But I mean, what, what he basically admitted to is if it is to. To cover his own story, he admitted to being an accessory to a crime. Right? That's a problem. That's a problem for everybody.

A (5:33)

That accessory. He would be an accessory because he did not say anything.

B (5:39)

He's an accessory because he propagated the lie officially to other people. He knew that what the truth was.

C (5:47)

He.

B (5:47)

He said, I was sitting right there pouring water on Osama Bin Zladin's face so we could take a picture. And while I was doing that, somebody shot him in the head. Okay, so now we have the war crime. And instead of going, dude, what the did you just do? Okay, hey, we're. We're gonna have to. We're gonna have to tell the bosses this is what happened. So instead of doing that, they all lied about what happened.

A (6:13)

I mean, according to. People are saying this is the. This is a made up lie.

B (6:18)

Oh, I. But okay, I. I can go with you on that one.

A (6:22)

It's like the Twilight Zone right now in my brain.

B (6:27)

It's a lie to cover a lie. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.

A (6:31)

I saw that comment.

C (6:35)

The biggest thing I see from a legal standpoint, having testified in court extensively, is, yeah, if I get online right now and I'm a cop and I get online and I say, yeah, yeah, I lied on this report this day. I saw something and I lied about it. You are done. Your. Your career is over. You can never be allowed to testify in court again. You committed perjury. You lied in an official document. You're done. Like if. If a cop comes out today. And I don't care if it's minor like a traffic crash, if they're like, yeah, I really didn't like that guy. So I kind of fudged the at fault driver and I wrote it just so it. You know, it's a little twisted. You're done. You're never, ever, ever. You're Brady listed. You're ineligible to testify. You're maybe lucky if you can like sit at a desk, probably get fired. So to go to court as the victim of a case now, like admitting you've lied on official government documents. I wouldn't. I wouldn't even let the case get to court. If I was Yalls attorney, I would eat him alive. On the fact that the man has admitted that he has bad character and he has the ability to lie on documents. How can we even take his complaint at face value when he's an admitted fabricator of evidence? That to me is the entire case. I don't see how it goes any. I don't see how good past that.

B (7:57)

I mean, if you ever wanted to torpedo a case, this is the way to do it. It's. It. It's all over but the crying now.

A (8:06)

Yeah, our. Me and Jimmy are in a group chat with Tim. How do you say it? Our lawyer.

B (8:12)

Palatore.

A (8:14)

Palatore. Me, Jimmy and Brent are in a group chat and He, Dude, Tim's on it. He's on, he's on Rob. Every time Rob opens his mouth publicly, our lawyer is already figuring out how to, you know, how to use it. And I mean like not use it, but like, it's, it's. Rob gives us free ammunition.

C (8:32)

It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't. Like your credibility is shot when you admit that you lie. And it's not like, oh yeah, you know, you know, I lied to my wife. I took the garbage out. I didn't take the garbage out, but I told her I did. You know, this is like we lied on official documents, many of us, which brings a credibility. How do you even bring the other guys in? How do you keep. Bring the other guys in and swear them under oath and go, you've already lied. You've been. We've.

A (8:54)

What this also does is this gives the people that don't think Osama bin Laden's dead a lot of ammo that.

B (9:01)

You shot him or that he died in Tora Bora of kidney failure long before the raid ever took place.

A (9:07)

Rob asking the chat gp, my cook.

C (9:11)

I mean, I mean, you know, it's disappointing. Like, everybody talks about silent professionals and these are the guys that, the top tier operators and these are the guys that do all these cool things and they just told you, like, we lie. We lie about everything. We lie about our reports, we lie about what happened. We can't get three or four guys that walked into a room to agree on the most critical or the high highest, you know, mission in history, United States. And I just keep defaulting it back. If par. If military and police are somewhat similar and everything has to be accurate. There's uniform, you know, UMCJ or whatever it is, and then there's court.

A (9:49)

I don't.

C (9:50)

Can't lie. You can't lie.

B (9:51)

You.

C (9:51)

You.

B (9:52)

Well, there's, there's several, there's several different instances of problems here. Number one is, you know, this would be. If I was getting ready to give you the, you know, take you to get your article 15 or courts marshal, this would be conduct unbecoming of a non commissioned officer.

A (10:11)

That's the thing.

B (10:12)

Be. Yeah. You didn't know that.

A (10:14)

I had no idea they, they could use conduct unbecoming in the military.

C (10:17)

Sure there's. I'm sure there's military laws against lying. I'm sure there's laws.

B (10:22)

It's in the UC J. It's in the ucmj.

A (10:24)

I know that.

B (10:25)

Yeah. Did you, did you go to pldc?

A (10:29)

No, I Went to wlc. Yeah.

B (10:33)

Pld. Yeah. Well, I mean, these were the things that, like, I. I mean, they. They kind of drilled into us like, hey, your. Your standard is higher the higher up you go, right? So he was an E7, which takes an act of Congress to make him an E7, right? So he's held to a pretty high standard as that. I mean, leave out, Leave. Leave out that he is a Navy SEAL and that he was a tier one operator. All right? He's a. He's a non commissioned officer in the United States Navy. As an E7, that's a problem. He knowingly and willfully lied to his chain of command. Right. Making a false official statement to your commanding officer, That's a pretty big deal. This is dereliction of duty. That's a big one right there. I mean, like, you could throw the ball book at him. Just.

A (11:23)

Can you still. Can you go back and punish somebody?

B (11:26)

There's no statute of limitations on war crimes. So what he's basically doing is he is admitting to a war crime. He's admitting that he was. He. He didn't mit the work, that he did it, but he was there.

A (11:40)

I know. That's the hideous part. Dude, is that, like, he's admitting to war crimes he didn't even do?

B (11:44)

That's right.

C (11:45)

He continues to throw the bus over everybody else around him. He continues to drive the bus over everybody else around him. Poor me. My poor daughters. You just told your daughters you're a liar. You just said how devastating it is for your daughters to hear negative things about you. You just got on a podcast and said, hey, kids, Dad's a liar. Dad watched things happen and lied about it. Dad wrote a report that really wasn't accurate. You guys don't do that. You guys, be good kids. Don't cheat in college.

A (12:12)

But dad.

C (12:13)

Dad kind of lied about some things and, you know, made up, wrote a book and did something.

B (12:18)

I lied, though.

C (12:18)

I mean, dude, characters out the window. Dude, his character.

B (12:23)

I'm not saying that they're gonna call him. They. I mean, they can. They can recall him to active duty. They could. They could do exactly what they did to poor Eddie Gallagher. I don't think they're gonna do that. I mean, but let's be clear. They certainly could. And there's plenty. I mean, I've seen guys get called back to active duty for war crimes. They had been out for six months and was like, hey, get your ass back in. You're under investigation by the army cid. You're coming back. And they're back in the battalion, just waiting around.

A (12:53)

Did somebody give me a timestamp on when, Rob. I heard this from Brady saying it now, but I did hear this. Rob literally blamed his wife's miscarriage on the mean words y' all said. I. I didn't see that. And I only watched the. The lawsuit portion. Get us a timestamp and we can play it now.

B (13:12)

Yeah, I mean, I. Well, you know what, Rob? I mean, I, I'm certain that this lawsuit didn't exactly help my family and I didn't do to you. So, I mean, if. If you want to make that argument, I can make it back if that. You know what?

A (13:27)

That's your family.

B (13:29)

Huh?

A (13:30)

What it do to your family?

B (13:32)

My family. Oh, my wife had a miscarriage too, right after this.

A (13:36)

Well, that's not because of the lawsuit.

B (13:37)

Yeah, but if he could make the.

A (13:40)

Argument right now and blaming the law.

B (13:43)

What I'm. My point is, is that, like, I can make that argument too, Rob. You know what I mean?

A (13:48)

Yeah.

B (13:50)

So, I mean, that's.

C (13:50)

I heard my knee. I hurt my knee after all this.

A (13:52)

Yeah. Mike's gotta have surgery too, because.

B (13:55)

Yeah, that's. That's my point. Is that like, that dude, that. That's never gonna.

A (14:01)

That's not blaming. Blaming the death of another person over me. That's just the most. That's the most. I mean, I was calling it sociopathic earlier, but to. To take your wrongdoings and then blame a tragedy because someone. That's like killing somebody in a DUI and then saying, well, the other person was driving and didn't use their turn signal. That's why that person's dead, you know, like, it's the most asinine thing I've ever heard in my life. To blame your wife's miscarriage over some guys calling you out on your. And you. You don't look in inward in yourself and go, maybe I did this all to myself. If the miscarriage is because of the stress on my marriage, maybe it's because of me.

C (14:50)

And that's the question he wouldn't answer when asked multiple times. Do you think know if you would have just kept quiet and been a silent professional, none of this stuff would have happened to you? And he dodged that question several times, like, hey, man, aren't you the one that decided to bring this out and say, I did this and create this entire thing? He did it at the, you know, he started the ball. There's guys have never talked about it that were there, and they. They obviously won't and then there's this guy. So he started this whole thing.

B (15:19)

Let's be clear. We. Who do we know that was on the raid? Chesney, we know was on the raid. He has almost no public footprint. Bis was on the raid. He wrote a book. Rob was on the raid. He wrote a book. Do we know anybody else?

C (15:37)

Nobody else, really.

A (15:38)

No.

B (15:38)

There's a rate of 30 plus number.

A (15:41)

One man that everybody is. I think. Poor guy. I think they're all closing in on him. I don't think.

B (15:46)

I mean, if I were Rob, I. I would be. I would be seriously concerned now, because Tim's gonna use this and go, case dismissed. And, oh, by the way, you should really start investigating this for, you know, federally, because there is no statute of limitations on this.

C (16:07)

And Tyler.

B (16:10)

Yeah.

C (16:10)

Two hours and two minutes.

A (16:14)

I'm gonna go find this.

B (16:15)

There's no statute of limitations. And this is a. I mean, no, not. It's a federal charge. Right. It's going to get you locked up in Lenworth. Of course, there's no evidence. Or is there. Is there evidence? I mean, it's not like we can go to the crime scene. You know what I mean? It's all eyewitnesses saying one thing or another.

A (16:36)

Yeah.

B (16:36)

I don't know how you'd investigate this, Mike, how you invest.

C (16:39)

Yeah, they wouldn't. I don't.

B (16:40)

I.

C (16:40)

Again, we're. Hypothetically speaking of this. They're not. They're not going to do anything like this. That'd be like prosecuting every military that guy got got out and fabricated. I think the biggest on this is when you sit here. Let's. Let's fast forward all that stuff goes. And you sit him down, and let's say it makes it to court, and your attorney walks up to him and says, you're.

B (17:01)

You're.

C (17:01)

Ladies and gentlemen, Jerry, I want to play some things for you. And you play about 10 clips of him saying that he lied about everything and lied and lied and lied and we lied, we lied, we lied. Then you just look at him and say, can you explain to the. You know, are you lying now? Are you lying then what. Are you capable of lying all the time? I think it just creates such a cloud of honesty. And are you lying about the level of defamation that you felt? Are you lying about your kids being upset? Like everything comes into question when you go on camera and say, hey, guys, I lie all the time. I've lied about reports what happened. This is the first time you're going to hear this. There's a New part of the story. Like at some point, like I said, in the cop world, that's where I try to bring it back. You'd be done. You would never be able to walk into court ever, ever, ever again. You'd be un, you'd be non testifiable, untest, whatever the intelligent word is. You'd never be able to testify.

B (17:53)

It gets even worse to me because like, not only did he just, did he cover himself in dishonor, but a lot of the artifacts from that raider at the museums and at nine, you know, in New York and here at the Coudt Museum, like, this is a massive, massive part of the SEAL culture. And now the SEAL teams in general, not just SEAL Team six, not just Red Squadron, not just the guys that went there. Everybody, everybody is gonna be like, oh, oh yeah, the SEAL teams. There's a bunch of liars. This hurts, Jocko. This hurts. Sean Ryan. This hurts everybody. This hurts. Andy Stump, it. It hurts every single person.

C (18:36)

Nobody said that. I'm surprised none of them have said that to him. Like, hey, dude, like, you're bringing the character of the highest level of military operators into question, that you're telling the world we all lie. Even if they do, even if it's all like it, we're not, we don't, we're not going to write this down because this happened, you know, might get a little cloudy, let you know he pointed a gun as we killed him. Let's keep it real simple. Even if they did, you've now opened the door to bring the question of character into again, what if we're all lying? They're all liars. They all make stuff up. That just leaves, that just puts a bad, a black cloud over all those tier one guys that everybody's like, man, these are the top guys.

B (19:15)

I, when, when I played that clip for my dad and he was like, yeah, we had to get our story together before we went and talked to the, the, the colonel in charge of the Ranger regiment so that we could tell him the truth. And he's like, Rob just proved what everybody in regiment already thought about the SEAL teams was that they're a bunch of lion cowboys and that they, they really had no business being who they were. They lied to the commander of the Ranger regiment.

C (19:41)

And that goes into, that goes back into mental. If you're physically capable of things, that doesn't make your character good. That doesn't mean you have a good brain in your head. That just means you can stay in cold water for an extreme amount of time. You can swim better. You can stay hungry for seven days and not. And not need food. You can do all those things. But that brings into. Just because you can physically tolerate those things doesn't mean you're honest. Doesn't mean you're going to do the right thing when confronted with a situation. Are you going to lie like that? Just like I said, it muddies the water for all those things that I just. It sucks. It sucks for. It sucks to hear it that way and then to be. No. So nonchalant about. We just lie. We're lie. We're liars. We're all liars.

A (20:26)

All right, let's see. I need to know if you guys can hear this.

C (20:29)

People can arrive to a place like, let's just put it to bed and move on. Well, I would be happy to do that. Yeah. But then I got this podcast coming down my throat every day for 40. My wife's getting pregnant miscarriages. Because it doesn't matter what I feel. How are they affecting my family?

B (20:44)

This is up what you're doing.

C (20:46)

And that's how you get a 25 million dollar lawsuit for defamation, not for a debrief.

B (20:54)

Oh.

A (20:57)

Rob O', Neill, you little slimy ginger. I've never wanted to punch someone in the mouth as much as I want to punch Rob o' Neill in the mouth. I'm not going to, though, because that's illegal. But to blame your wife's miscarriage on another human being for your wrongful actions, like Jimmy. I'm just getting so flustered, I can't growl.

C (21:24)

Start growling.

B (21:25)

Yeah, just. Dude, this, this right here, man. I mean, it, it's. It's so infuriating because it's like, hey, dude, you. You have said some pretty egregious things. You want to know who's really probably stressed out about this right now? Is all the Navy SEALs who really did go over there and do some really hardcore and. And kept her goddamn mouth shut and. And were studs. And now you're with the. I mean, he may not know it yet, but it's going to be like, oh, you were a Navy seal? Yeah. Those book deals are about to dry up, bro.

C (22:00)

Yeah, he's a what? A beta. Beta. I mean, I've been through hell and back in my career and he, you know, he threw them my I in my face. And we all know everything. We all got attacked for something, but to blame something like that on. Dude, you blocked the page. It's not like it's on the mainstream media. You have to go look, for this stuff, we're not cnn, Fox News. We're not blared all over billboards. You're making yourself a victim over what, how old the episode was what, a year and a half ago?

A (22:34)

Dude, September, I think.

C (22:35)

And then a dude wrote the book, didn't cause him that. The dude that wrote the book that said he's a liar, that didn't cause a miscarriage. None of this other stuff did. But you guys directly, what a dude.

B (22:47)

I, I mean, I think we could go back and count how many times we went after Rob, right? And let's be clear here. The whole reason I went back at him was when Brent Tucker left and went to go start the Tier one podcast, Rob o' Neill came out and. And the boys got receipts. The last time I said this and said, hey, I, I told you guys not to hit your wagon to a falling star or be careful who you wit your wagon to something to that effect. And then he said, you guys can shut the up the operators.

A (23:18)

Yeah.

C (23:18)

Who, who, who brought. Who resurfaced it after being through the pain of miscarriages and the kids crying at school because we're so sad that our daddy got made fun of. All that stuff had passed. Nobody's talking. Nobody's talking about Rob o' Neal for months. In a year, he sees an opportunity to. On you guys because he thinks this show's failing and he jumps on with his little dick beater in his hand and he. And he. And his little. And he jumps online and we got.

A (23:46)

You now you're going down.

C (23:47)

And then it kind of regroups and it's like, no, we're not going down. We're regrouped and we're still here.

B (23:51)

That's it. I gotta sue him now because my wife had a miscarriage.

C (23:55)

What a.

B (23:57)

He's fired every bullet he has out of the gun and he's looking at us like, these cockroaches just won't kill Doc.

C (24:03)

Dude, my wife's been through real on her own. She didn't need. Oh, yeah, her own. She's a tough woman. She's not suing anybody. She's not crying in the closet. She's been through tough on her own. This dude is a weak, weak beta male. And I've kept my mouth shut for a long time. And I've tagged him a couple times in comments. Like, I. This dude is a man. He is a. He is a dude. Like, I can't believe that I. I remember going to New York and looking at his uniform at 9, 11. Before I knew any of this, when I was a naive young man, younger man and thinking, man, these guys are great. And to hear this dude who throws the N word around, who gets drunk, who everything he's done. If you were a cop or anybody with real status, you're. You'd be buried somewhere. But this dude keeps crawling out of the mucky, nasty swamp and has something.

A (24:51)

To say and he never takes accountability. I know he said, oh, I had a drinking problem when I, when I reached out to Anti Hero the first time. That was when I was raise your hand, everybody. Everybody listening right now and all the audio platforms and everybody's saying this. Who's not had a drinking problem. Congratulations, Rob. You squared yourself away as a grown up. Wow.

C (25:13)

Yeah. Good job. Wait A way to weather that storm. We've never had that problem.

A (25:19)

He blink instead of blame. Instead of saying, I got a DUI because I had a drinking problem. I yelled at some dude and called him the N word because I was drunk and disorderly and got arrested. That was because of my drinking problem. He never addresses it. He just on a one off podcast goes, yeah, I mean I was drinking a little bit like, no, Rob, no.

B (25:43)

I mean, I think maybe that the all them years of drinking may have caused some serious. I mean this may be a object lesson to all of you of how far down you can go, how high you can reach and how far you will fall by just because of your drinking. This is an object lesson right here because what we're really seeing here is sociopathy that I don't understand. There is some serious cognitive decline in a person who should not do this. This guy was trained to resist interrogations. He was trained to do certain things. He can't do it. He was trained to make good tactical decisions. He can't do it. Now this, this right here should be the poster child for Alcoholics Anonymous.

C (26:29)

He said around stop drinking. Sat around and sat around and thought this thing was falling apart and jumped on the Internet to be relevant about something else. It the bed. Nothing he said was again, lied about everything. We were down, we were dumps. The whole show was over that sunglass wearing faggots done like everybody's done. And here we are and that didn't work. And then it's like, what's next? How do I get myself back in the spot? He probably doesn't. He doesn't even get that next interview with Andy Stump. If he doesn't sue Anti Hero. He's done like he's done with interviews. Nobody wants to talk to him anymore. He's irrelevant.

A (27:02)

Great point.

C (27:04)

Exactly. He's not on any more podcasts ever again. The story's done. You're irrelevant, Rob. You're irrelevant. Unless you go get arrested again or something, you're irrelevant. But you sue. And now you're back on the little. You're back on the podcast again. There you are. That's. That's, that's the tactic, dude.

B (27:22)

I mean, hey, we cut some bangers on that one. The three of us.

A (27:25)

That's all one good one, man. That's all one good one. You Rob o'.

C (27:29)

Neill. It really sucks because. And then the.

A (27:34)

Oh, yeah, kids, kids. Someone clip this and show your dad is a little. Your dad is a little. Go show it to his college girls. Ass little dad. Don't do that.

B (27:49)

I mean, Tyler only takes it.

C (27:50)

Tyler always takes it. One level.

A (27:51)

It's Patreon, dude. We can say that.

B (27:54)

Yeah.

C (27:55)

I mean, my kids have suffered, dude. You're right. Yeah, you're right. You know what? Show it to them. Because, you know, they had no problem putting me in the newspaper over some I ate. My kids got called. Your dad's. This. Your dad's a. My kids have all suffered too. My wife has suffered. Jimmy's family suffered. Everybody's suffered. We don't sue people. We don't cry like we drive on. Drive on. We're the 99. We're not the jerk off boys. We're the hardcore dudes that sat in holes and sucked it up in the cold, sucked it up in the heat. We don't have. We don't sue, we don't cry. We get up every day and we do our thing. That's what we do.

B (28:34)

You do your goddamn job. That's. That's what. And, and this really just goes to like the prima donna mentality of, of these tier one guys. Not all of them, but quite a few of them that come out in the public. It's like everything needs to be catered to me. It's all about me. I'm the best. You guys, you other guys. Yeah, I'll pay you lip service to how you guys. Yeah, you guys did your part 2. What the reality is, is that you don't have a. You don't give a flying about what we did. You don't care. You never did.

A (29:05)

They're all. Dude, I'm telling you, dude, they're. They are all made material. I shouldn't say all. I shouldn't say all.

B (29:12)

Sorry.

A (29:12)

No, not all of them, but majority of them. The ones that the tier one operators that I've had interactions with do made things. They are cowardice. They won't look you in the eye. They stab you behind the back. They call people and try to ruin business deals because they're.

C (29:29)

Easy, easy, easy, easy. Because you're gonna get. You're gonna get me going. You're gonna get me going.

B (29:38)

Hey, listen, listen, look, man, remember what I mean. This, this is. But this to your point, right? What did Rob say in that interview? Well, Bis was going to the master chief and tattletailing on me all the time while I was over at JSOC trying to drop a warrant packet. And that's why I had to go back to damn neck and explain to the master chief that I wasn't getting a book deal, even though I really was, because Bis went and tattle taled on me. Right? So this is stuff that they do to each other. If they'll do it to each other, what the do you think they'll do to us?

A (30:05)

And they did it when there was no heat, there was no pressure. They started doing this as soon as they got out. There was no, like right now, like right now would be the time I would expect people to start cracking and turning on each other. Right?

B (30:18)

Yeah.

A (30:18)

Like right now. What's going on? Not when the public has no idea. They're so egotistical and self driven. And self driven is not the right word. Self. They care about themselves. Selfish. There you go. That's the word I'm looking for. They're so ego driven and selfish that they started their own little in house fighting immediately.

B (30:37)

Yeah, they started it before they got out. Right. And, and all, all that we are. I mean, and this is the reality. All that we are is another chapter to the back and forth soap opera that is Rob o' Neill and Matt Bissonette. I don't even know what the happened on the objective anymore because I don't know that I can believe anyone.

C (31:00)

I don't care anymore. I don't. You know what? I thank you to thank them. I thank them all for their service. Thank you for your service. Guys like, you did your job. Just like they would say to a cop, you did your job. Yeah, you did your job. You go save a little cat from a burning building, you drag grandma from the fire pit, you take a bullet and kill somebody. You know what they tell you at the end of the day? You did your job. You did your job. Congrats. Yeah, I mean, congrats. You did a job. That's it.

B (31:26)

If we wanted applause.

C (31:27)

The higher you go join the. The higher you go, the more responsibility you have to just do your job. That's it. I mean, you're a sergeant in the. At the sheriff's office and you get involved in critical answer. You know, you do. You give all the credit to your guys. They participated. You give all your credit. It goes down when you hit a certain level, tier one. That's your job. Yeah, your job is really crazy. Your job is to, you know, repel of a helicopter at 2am and kill a terrorist. That's cool. You did it.

A (31:56)

Great.

C (31:56)

You trained for it. You had no other job. You had no other responsibilities. You got to work out. You have to do the mission over and over and over. And you did it. And I, I commend you. I think you. Thank you so much for your service. You did your job. Cool.

B (32:11)

Yeah.

C (32:11)

Just like I did mine. I did mine.

A (32:14)

Welcome to the world of the Internet, dude. But here's the other thing too, is that I think they enter new. They enter. They enter this Internet sphere and they feel like they're owed the same amount. Like it kind of like, oh, I left this corporation as a CEO and I'm moving to this corporation as CEO. Like, I worked my way up to CEO here. So it's going to laterally transfer to the next organization. And it doesn't. It doesn't because at the end of the day, 99 of dudes that did their job, that are still doing their job are like, cool, man. Like, thanks for motivating me and inspiring me.

C (32:48)

Yeah, look.

A (32:49)

Look at our service. But yeah, you don't. You're not a better person.

C (32:54)

And look at the platform we've built and this is what we do. It's like, it's not about what Tyler did. It's not about what Jimmy did. It's not about what Mike did. That's why I built Cotteville from where it is. I don't talk about my tactics training, all the stuff I did intentionally because I am here to Highlight the grunts. The 99. Just like anti hero is. We're here for you guys. We're not here to tell you what I did and I did all these great things. No, we did it. We know you're doing it. You're still doing it. We're here for you. We're here for you guys that are doing this. That's the highlight and that's. That's. These guys don't, man. They get out and they. It's all about themselves.

B (33:32)

Couldn't Couldn't be more important. Couldn't be more important.

C (33:36)

Yeah, you have to be that. We have a responsibility to push the next. The guys that are still grinding to keep driving on and keep doing it, because we're not doing it anymore.

B (33:46)

And I mean. I mean, let's. Let's be real here. Like Colt, right? Colts in the chat all the time. I posted a story last night. You know, it's the. The gates that all three of us walk through, you know, up on Honor Hill when you get your cross rifles, right? And it said, you know. You know, it was like a key man lore, right, Going through those gates. And he's like, I cannot wait for this. And I'm like, I can't wait for you to be a part of the brotherhood, bro. Like, that's. That's it, man.

C (34:13)

Yeah, I have a buddy that's got two Purple Hearts, two. Two point Ranger tab, all that stuff. My Mike, his name. I'm gonna say his last name. Name's Mike. He messages. He watches our show every now and then. Really good, dude. And he said to me the other day, he's like, you take all that and throw it away. That blue cord you put on is the number one piece of equipment on your uniform. It's not the Purple Heart, it's not the Ranger tab. It's the blue cord of just the. The dudes that are ready to go do the job. He's like, all that other stuff, your police career, he's like, bro, you put the blue cord on. He's like, you're at, dude.

B (34:46)

I mean, the. The two things that I'm most proudest of are my combat infantryman's badge and my blue cord. That's it.

C (34:52)

Mine's my. My aerosol badge is number one. Then my blue cord.

B (34:57)

I mean, like that, like, you take everything else away. Like, I. I don't give a. I gotta see.

C (35:02)

It took me a long time to get to that point. I remember taking a picture of my blue cord. I still have it. To my closet on a flag that was flown on the. My uncle got it for me. It's flown in Saudi Arabia, I think at the US over there at the. He was a contractor for. And he brought home a flag. He's got his name on it. And I have my dad's chain he gave me when he died. My dog tags on my blue cord on this flag in my closet. And I took me years to look at that blue cord after being in alcohol, going through all the stuff with the cop. And I looked at that thing. And I was like, this is bad, dude. Like, of all the things I've done, that's the one where I'm like, that's cool. Like, to have the brotherhood and the people and everybody that, you know, chose to go do that, going, what is your job? I remember my mom asked me, what is your job? When I came home from MEPs. I'm like, I don't know. They show me a video with a bunch of dudes shooting guns and jumping out of airplanes. And she's like, so what do you do? I'm like, I think we just kill people. Or, like, try not to get killed. I'm like, I have no idea. She's screaming at me, you're supposed to.

B (35:57)

Be a doctor, an engineer.

C (35:58)

What do you mean? I'm like, oh, it just. The video looked really cool. It was awesome. But, yeah, it took me years to respect and understand. Like, it's a big deal.

A (36:10)

And nailed it. He said, the difference between the podcast and the broadcast, we are a family. And all the work we've done, this is why we're all here now. It's close to them. Exactly. This is I. When people talk in the comments about, oh, I'm like, dude, we're just dudes trying to have good times with. I'm trying to say that so it doesn't sound gay. We're dude trying to have good times with other dudes, but that's.

C (36:36)

We're just a bunch of dudes hanging out with dudes. We're having a good time together. It's like a P. Diddy party. It's a P. Diddy party with extra lube.

B (36:47)

That's part. We're Spartans, right?

C (36:48)

We're Spartans.

A (36:50)

Yeah. Jimmy's blue cord is on the rear view of his number eight truck. Mine's on the rear view of my. My Ram. I will say, it's been there for about 10 years.

B (36:58)

It's right here, dude. It's right here.

A (37:00)

Jimmy's got his whole universe. The museum room.

C (37:05)

I should bring that. I have. Like I said, I have it in my. It's in my closet. The flag's in the flag holder. It's got my uncle's name on it. My dad's chain, my dog tags, and my blue cord are all together.

B (37:15)

I. I mean, like, I. I look at that thing. I look at those classes that I have sitting in my closet. I can't. There's no way I could even put that thing on.

C (37:23)

I still have a BDU top. I should bring it. I still have my BDU top. Maybe I'll bring it this week.

B (37:30)

If I tried to put that thing on, I would explode out of it.

C (37:34)

Yeah, I was 160 when I went in. I think 155. Or a medium regular. Medium regular top and a medium regular bottom, I think.

B (37:45)

Yeah, not anymore, dude.

C (37:48)

That vaccine, those vaccines I took, like, blew me up.

B (37:52)

I, I, man. Yeah, my. I, I don't even know what I'm, why I still have that thing. I'll be honest with you.

C (37:59)

Like, I, I only wore my class A one time because I was only in a very short time, but I only wore it once. I was in the OP4, dude. We were like, it was like, we were like the narc unit of the military. I actually wore the OP4 uniform, which was the OD green complete top and bottom with the made up rank and beret. I wore that more than I wore actual BDUs. We wore that 90 of the time.

A (38:24)

Whoa, that's crazy, dude.

C (38:26)

So I spent more time not in a uniform in three years than I did in one because we wore an alternate uniform and they got one class A thing.

B (38:34)

When you got, did you guys wear the, the Russian uniform with the, the blue beret and all that?

C (38:39)

No, it was a black beret. It had OD green. And then we had like the weird red and yellow symbol here. And then our rank was based on stripes and designs on our lapel, on the collar, on the shoulder.

B (38:51)

But they, they based it off of, like, Russians, right?

C (38:53)

Yeah, it was, yeah, it was all. And you had, you guys had to try to figure out who was what and based on the breakdown, dude.

B (39:00)

Yeah.

A (39:01)

Oh, go ahead, Jimmy. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

B (39:04)

No, I was just gonna say, you know, Mike, I guarantee you did some cool, funny.

C (39:11)

Oh, the guarantee. It was crazy, dude.

B (39:14)

And like, because OP4, I had the most fun being OP4.

C (39:18)

It was good, dude. I was gone. Like, people don't realize. Like, so we were gone a lot. I was in the woods. I was in the woods. Two minimum, two weeks a month gone every month except for July and December. There was 10 months of the year we did operations. July, there was a break. In December, there was a break.

A (39:35)

Yeah.

C (39:36)

Every other time. Yeah, I was gone. We went out ahead of time, buried. We used the old plugger. We, we put, we put MREs and water out and, and plugged the locations a day, a couple days before, and then we were gone for weeks, man.

A (39:54)

Jimmy, we're getting requests to see some of your weaponry.

C (39:57)

Can we, we can do it.

B (39:59)

Well, I, I can we do it?

C (40:02)

Not the, not the little gun, the bigger guns.

A (40:05)

We're on Patreon.

C (40:06)

We don't want to see the other weapon tree. And we're fired.

B (40:10)

Goon tape.

A (40:13)

What is that? What kind of gun is that?

B (40:16)

An AR pistol.

C (40:18)

You just.

A (40:19)

Oh, sick.

C (40:20)

Sour optic. Yeah, I can see, I can spot a sick from a mile away, man.

B (40:28)

So, you know, Crimson Trace Tack light hair arms flash suppressor or not. Mostly because this thing's short barrel. It's a 12 and a half inch barrel. So it's, it's a little gassy. So yeah, it's, it's nice. It's, it's a little bit shorter than what we carried in Iraq. It's pretty much, you know, this is like the ultimate, like I'm gonna have to clear my house gun. I'm not shooting anybody over, you know, 250 meters with it, so. But there's the goon tape right there. Right where I'm gonna put my hand right over my, where my little.

C (41:03)

I got about 12 guns in this house easy, maybe more.

A (41:06)

And then got 12.

B (41:07)

John Avery, John Avery has my, my bolt gun which used to belong to Clearwater swat and they got rid of it. He's, he's going out there, I guess he's trying to, you know, kind of get back into it for a little while. I'll go grab it. But that gun belonged to Clearwater swat. It's a great gun, man. That's, it was such a fantastic gun. Clearwater SWAT got, they got HK 417s for their snipers.

C (41:41)

It's Clearwater's flat looking for that gun at this point. Is there, is there a boat, is there a BOLO out for that gun? Maybe keep the serial number up. Don't put the serial number up.

B (41:51)

Yeah, so I mean, that one, that's a great gun too because it's got an accuracy international stock. It's got a surefire flash suppressor. Takes a can. You know, I got a good, good optic on it. And the last time I had it out at the thousand yard range, I was, I was about 8 and a half minutes angle. I was doing pretty real, I was doing pretty good. So. And, and then of course I got the Glock. I mean, which, you know, doesn't have a, doesn't have an RMR cutout for it because I haven't trained with it and I would probably, I don't want to stick to RMR on there and then have to use it and be like, God damn, why am I shooting so high.

C (42:35)

You can buy like the zeroing kit for the house. They're pretty accurate to just get it close.

B (42:39)

Oh, yeah.

C (42:40)

But I mean, it's not from in the clearing the house. I mean, you know, you're never going to be more than what, 15, 20ft anyway.

B (42:48)

Well, the. The problem was, and I didn't realize this until I. I picked up Justin's gun was I was. My eye. I'm always looking for the. The leaf site. So I'm like, justin, I can't see the dot. And he's like, yeah, your. Your eyes are too low. You have to bring your eye up. And I'm like, oh. And it's like shooting at the goddamn birds.

C (43:11)

I got my wife good yesterday. I. My light. My optic. My light on my Smith and Wesson is rechargeable. So I cleared the ground. No, I clear. I cleared the gun, put my. Put it. And I keep the charger in the bathroom in our master bathroom. So I put the gun on. The gun light on charge, and I put the magazine on the counter between the two sinks. She came home to pee and she saw the Smith and messing. Smith and Wesson magazine on the counter. And she said. She was like, holy. Did I go to work without my mag in? She does it because she does. I'd be honest. I swear to God. Every day drops a mag. Drops, unloads a gun and she does about 40, 30, 40 dry fires before she leaves the house every day. So she thought she's. Of course she didn't forget, but in her head she went, why the. Is there a Smith and Wesson mag on the bathroom counter? Did I forget to load my gun? And she flipped out.

B (44:01)

So she carries a Smith and Wesson for department, but shoots for Sig.

C (44:06)

Sig. Well, we had a. We had a. We had a. We had a Sig in the leg.

A (44:12)

Even the jimmy to just ask those awkward.

C (44:14)

No, it's a great question. But we had a. We had a Sig in the leg shooting. We had a guy shoot himself with it. Yeah, that's how I got. I bought 5 cigs for 250 a piece. When they got rid of them, they just. He dumped them.

B (44:28)

That's right. You did tell me that.

C (44:29)

I didn't know it was because another lawsuit where it's not on. Like I've seen. I've seen the video. He's. He's got his gun belt on. He's taking his vest off, fiddle around the front seat. And he had a negligent, unapproved. Unapproved Stock on the gun altered from Sig and a holster that Sig doesn't recommend because the trigger cut is too far down. I'm not gonna say what happened. There's been multiple versions. Some people think the vest caught the trigger. Something happened, but he shot himself in the calf, so they went. SWAT stayed with it for about another six months. The agency transitioned to the miserables gun on earth. FNN 509. FN 509. And so she carries a Smith and wet. You can carry whatever you want. So that's one of the approved. And that's her second favorite. Obviously, the 320s are her gun, though, right? No, it's ours. It's hers. She bought it.

A (45:22)

Oh, wow.

C (45:22)

Yeah, we can buy our own gun as long as it's on the approved list and we qualify with it and you're prepared to lose it if you shoot somebody.

A (45:29)

Now, when you say we, do you speak on like, I used to do that, or do you speak as. Like you're a spouse? So when you say something about her, you just say we?

C (45:39)

No. Yeah. When I say we, obviously, I still. No, I know. That's what it is, though. That's what it is. I'm so used to being.

B (45:45)

We're issued.

A (45:46)

We're allowed to.

C (45:47)

Yeah. Yeah. So it's. It's habit. Poor peach got a staccato, and then he got in the shooting, and they still have it.

A (45:58)

Oh, man.

C (46:00)

Staccato gives. Unfortunately, it's myth and Wesson doesn't. One of my good friends killed somebody with a Smith and Wesson that he bought, and Smith and Wesson did not offer to replace his gun while it's in evidence, so he had to go buy another one. Staccato will do that.

A (46:17)

Downloading some stuff.

B (46:18)

Wow. I. I've never really. I'll be honest with you. I've never shot a staccato. I. I didn't even hear about it until I started talking to SWAT cops. I had no idea what it was.

C (46:29)

Nice. It's nice. It shouldn't. It shouldn't be a cop gun. It should not. It should be. It's a competition gun. I mean, that's what I said.

B (46:38)

Like a comp.

C (46:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys carry it, but, you know, beaver tail has to be engaged in the. In the safety, and I get it. If you train, you should be able to do it like. Like in your sleep. I just look at what we see on the tv with cops drawing guns fast and how quick things happen. I think a strike fire gun is Better. That goes bang. Like a Glock or a Sig or a Smith and Wesson. I know it's going to go, but it's a nice gun.

B (47:05)

Look, I. I loved Sig for the longest time. I did. I loved him. I like the way they fit. I like everything about Sig. And then when I started working for DOS, they made us carry the Glock 19 like there was no choice in the matter. You got it, you got to train with it. You get. And so I went and bought one because I'm like, I gotta qual every three months with this thing. I need to be good at it. So, like, you go back. So, like, you come back from being, you know, between your rotations, the first thing you do is go out on the range first day, hey, go out and qualify. By the way, if you unk, go home like, you're done, it's over. So, I mean, I'm at the range shooting Glock 19 and I got to the point where I was like, this. This is the AR15 of pistols. Glock 19. It's gonna go bang. It's very reliable. I could do a lot of to it. Is it the jet? Is it super sexy? No, but I could do what I want with it.

C (48:07)

I agree. 100. I mean, that whole argument is like Chevy and Ford. I get it. Like, I have the opposite. I carried a Glock 21. I shot like. We transitioned to the Sig. I got real serious about shooting. I became an expert of the expert, excellent shooter for me with the Sig. And then like even going from the Sig to the Smith and Wesson. I'm a very. I'm autistic. I'm very habit oriented. It has to be the same. When I had to start shooting at Smith and Wesson, I hate it. Great gun. Not knocking it. I just got good on the Sig and I love it.

B (48:38)

So, yeah, I mean, that's. I. I really like the piece. 365. The P365 is. Is to me, that is a gun. If you get some of the little bells and whistles for it, you could take that gun to combat with you and be okay. Like, hey, this is my. If my. If my rifle goes down, I can go to the P365 with the extended mag and the, the optic or the sights that come on it stock. It's. It's great. It's a great, great pistol. I love the way it feels. Got 15 rounds in it. Like, that's two less than what you get in a Glock. 19 or four less. So yeah, 365. But what did I do?

C (49:26)

I can't even get back to the goddamn show.

A (49:28)

I'm gonna read some.

B (49:29)

Oh, you're still here, Mike. We still see you.

C (49:31)

Yeah, I'm pulling up the. Did you see the SIG makes a 2011 platform now.

B (49:36)

I. I think. Well, you got adjusting that.

A (49:41)

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B (51:23)

I think it's grams.

A (51:25)

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B (54:01)

And we are back, baby. You're so back, dude. We're so back.

A (54:08)

Go to counterculture incthreads.com that's my apparel company. That was my first business ever. I learned all the tricks of the trade just slinging shirts. Still doing it five years later. Counterculture Inc spreads.com use promo code ANTIHERO Save 15 on all of. All of our. All of it. Every single thing. But I wanted to show you guys something first. So nobody say what this all says because I want to give Patreon first dibs at it. I'm gonna put it up today. It's gonna have no image on. On the website, but this is the. This is the shirt. That's that we're gonna start marketing. But I want to get Patreon first dibs. So this is the front, and everybody listening will have to be like, I gotta see it, you know? But I. I really do want to give people that subscribe to Patreon first dibs on it. We had. We had this made. They just came in the mail today. And then this is the back.

B (55:03)

Yo, that's awesome, dude.

A (55:06)

Yeah, so we also got another batch with this. This same back. But this is more for the boys, for the crew, for anybody that. That wants to rep it. So. But. But yeah, this is the main shirt. It's got a whole message behind it. It's a mindset. You wake up every day type thing. So you'll be seeing more marketing on that. But just want to let you guys. I'll have the link up here today. It'll say Patreon will probably just be like a mystery shirt. That's what this shirt right here is what you'll be getting on the front and on the back. And so that being said, Mike, we gotta get. We gotta. You gotta have Lewis make you one of these cool things. Dude, what is these?

C (55:52)

Hold on. I got something new out, too. I want to. Where the is it? What is it? Hold on, let me look. What is it? Lewis is gonna make? Lewis is gonna make me something.

A (56:03)

Yeah, dude, if you give him your logo, he'll make you something.

C (56:06)

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let me show. Let me show everybody. I haven't dropped it yet. This will be a new. This is new on. All right, you can keep talking to. Pretend I'm not here.

A (56:20)

Well, we're. We're.

C (56:22)

Are you.

B (56:23)

Well, I'm.

C (56:23)

I'm not ready. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

B (56:25)

I started looking.

C (56:28)

Okay?

A (56:29)

And then. All right, hold on. Shut up, Jimmy.

C (56:30)

No, no, no. Here we go.

A (56:34)

I don't know why it is funny.

C (56:36)

All right, you can put that up. You can put that up.

A (56:40)

Hold on. Right here.

C (56:41)

So bam. Bam.

A (56:44)

Oh, you finally did it, huh?

C (56:46)

There it is.

A (56:47)

You did it.

C (56:48)

The war hat. I haven't dropped. It'll be. I'll put it out as soon as the episode ends. Red, black, multi cam, green. Multi cam, black and olive green. The war hat, it's unpublished. Also, the war. I also did a sticker as well. So here's a sticker. You guys want to be able to jump in on that.

A (57:11)

Did you do any research as far as like, you. We talked about it. You cannot like patent just a word, right? It's not possible. No, there's no like. Okay.

C (57:23)

No, it has to be specific now.

A (57:25)

I mean like a font or a design. Like if it was like, that's pretty unique, handwritten.

C (57:32)

I'll give you the example is State Boys, one of our big allies on the Internet. And hit the way his logo reads State Boys, three Z's at the end, his font is. He actually won and got a patented and copyright for that. So there's County Boys, there's City Boys. Their logo is violating his now copyrighted logo because it's the same font, same spelling, same exact way. So this one is sold. You know, I checked. It's on ebay. It's on, you know, 30, 40 different people sell different version of this hat. So that's the fitted one. That's the, like, what I'm wearing now. That's a fitted, like, flex fit hat. This is a black one. Obviously there's. But I took it down.

A (58:15)

Oh, okay. Sorry.

C (58:18)

But yeah, I'm gonna drop those after the show. The sticker. Sticker in the hat and then I'll do a snapback as well. I just didn't like those snapbacks that I. I saw this morning. I'm gonna keep looking for a better one.

A (58:30)

All right. All kinds of stuff for y' all to buy. Pay those bills. Yeah, well, by the way, Patreon gets 20 off. Mind you, at Counterculture Inc. Threads, we.

C (58:42)

Do a cockpill too. How much is that going to be? I've actually gone way under what they want me to charge for the hat. They suggest I charge 32.99 for the hat.

A (58:55)

Yeah, hats are. Hats are the worst thing to try and sell because they cost so much money to make and you can't sell them like a shirt really. If you wanted to, you can make a shirt for very cheap. And the cost of a shirt goes anywhere from 30 to $40 online, depending on what you're. So you make a shirt. You really could if you were skilled at marketing and branding. I don't do this. I couldn't. Matt was telling me about some. You could make floppy ass 100 cotton shirts. Shitty design on it, but it's a good brand. Like a. It's like branded and people. You could pay $4 to make it and you could sell it for like 60 bucks. So the shirt margin is crazy. Hats Is insane.

C (59:38)

For some reason they want, they want me to charge 32.99. That's their suggested price. And I'm like, ah, I'm gonna go 26.99 for the hat. So it makes it very affordable.

A (59:50)

What are you gonna say, Jimmy?

B (59:52)

I don't remember. I, I was beaten into the corner and told to be quiet. No, I, I was looking at, I was for this, the shadow cast made because I had a couple of people ask because it's such a dope ass looking logo. Like, I'm like, I gotta, I gotta talk to Tyler Mike about that Natalie dude.

C (60:09)

He's gotta get with Natalie and she does the.

A (60:12)

Oh, he's already got it made.

C (60:14)

Oh, takes five minutes. I could have this thing out before you.

A (60:17)

Yeah, so here's the thing, Jimmy is like the biggest thing is, is production, right. So there's two types, there's two ways to do it. And there, there's pros and cons to each one, both as a buyer and a seller. There's you, you print it, you buy it, you print it, you baggage it, you package it, you bag it, you ship it yourself. It is a nightmare logistically. And you have to have all the money up front, but you control the quality of the entire process. You get to write the little note, you get to guarantee it gets there whenever you want. If. If somebody has a problem with it, you handle it. Then there's drop shipping. You don't have to pay a dime and they make it on demand. But that comes from another location, like another factory. It's not you and your home or your, your, the print shop you contracted. And so the, the printing now you come up with a design, you submit it and you put it on. Like Mike does all the stuff, you put it on everything. It's like probably 98 foolproof, you know, and then. But after that, everything's out of your hands. But you, you collect. But they take a little bit more. Not much more to be honest with you. Drop shifting, they don't take much more. But that way you don't have to have everything on demand.

B (61:33)

Well, yeah, I'm gonna defer to Yalls judgment. Yeah, you're gonna be like, Jimmy, you're gonna do it this way.

A (61:40)

You have 500 bucks in a website. Or would you rather just get a website and not 500 bucks? Yeah, or, or you could sell. Or, or you can, you could sell Shadowcast on Anti Hero too.

B (61:53)

Like that's, well, that's what I was thinking was that it would be, it would Be under you guys. I don't, Yeah, I don't care about.

A (62:00)

You've got to send the image to Mike and tell him what color shirts.

B (62:03)

You want it on. Yeah, yeah.

C (62:06)

I mean, I, I, we could even. I mean, I think the easier way to do it would be on Anti Hero just have a sub category, sub.

A (62:14)

Channel for shadow cat. Any images that you come up with, Jimmy, you send it to Mike. Mike puts it on a shirt. Hat, sweatshirt. Boom.

B (62:22)

Okay, boys, now we know by the way the shadow cats dropped this morning. So Elizabeth.

C (62:30)

The hat and sticker are now live on the copper website.

B (62:35)

I mean, I, I don't know if you saw it or not, but I got the cop bill patch on my, on my.

C (62:41)

I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah.

A (62:43)

I'm so crazy about. I love shirts and stuff so much. I've been looking at how badass that van shirt is on Jimmy. I know what it's like to walk into a store and you see that shirt and you're like, I don't even care for vans. I just like that shirt. And there's nothing on it. There's no dude, it's just a van shirt with the green on the arm and the, like, it just catches your eye.

B (63:08)

Yeah. And, and so the thing was though, is that like, if you look at the counterculture logo that I'm wearing, it goes, I mean, like, it looks like, damn, dude, that's a, that's a good ass outfit you got on, you know? Yeah, and got my band shoes on, you know, it was awesome. So I, I mean, like, I, I literally had another shirt on this morning and I was like, it was a short sleeve shirt. I'm like, it's a little chilly in the house. I want a long sleeve shirt. And I looked, I was tearing my clock. Where the is my van shirt? Put that on. I'm like, damn, this looks good. So, all right, people, like, see the bad shirt and go, what's the CC, man? Oh, that's counterculture, bro. Get it. We had skateboard decks at one time.

C (63:56)

All right, Patreon, the CO stickers and hats are up. And use code PATREON20 for 20 off on Copville OG dot com. If you guys want to jump in.

A (64:05)

On that, use code Patreon for Counterculture Inc. Threads. Just Patreon.

C (64:11)

Don'T buy his shield by mine. It's funny. Is like, this is the only counter. This is the only area where we're not in business together.

A (64:20)

Yeah. I mean, if you look at it, I mean, it, it just, it's another it's my passion. Cotville's always gonna like. I think Mike has the ability to really build like a Cotville universe both media wise and apparel wise. I just like counter cold. I like having a clothing line. I like just like I look at Jimmy's. I, I've been obsessed with your shirt, Jamie for like the entire episode going, should I try and do something like that? You know, not like has nothing to do with anything. I don't even wear vans. I don't even care for vans. But I think branding is really like, you know, fun to do and obviously Anti hero is like my full time job. But anytime I get so I'm always on kittle trying to create designs and then I'm like, I have the sweet design but the problem with having your inventory is you gotta come up with like 500 for a shirt drop.

C (65:13)

And yes. And I, I, you gotta stay on time. Like you know it. We're just, our hands are in too many jars. It's trying to stay on top of the clothing line. Yeah, really good. When I had a business partner but my, the business partner now is us doing this. But when I had just a business partner for just the clothing line which I'm getting ready to the dogsoverpeople.org I'm getting ready to jump full, full into that. I'm bringing on somebody, one of our followers, tac, donut, techno and I have been talking. I think I'm going to bring him in as a partner. I need somebody to run the Instagram, run the website, deal with the customer service. I'll do the designs, I'll get them up. But you know as well as I do it's difficult to do all this and then advertise and run a podcast and run up.

A (66:00)

But you get so busy and you're like, dude, I haven't even thought about this business in like two and a half days. Yeah, yeah, a week.

C (66:07)

It's like crack too. Like you smoke it. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna do an ad for a shirt and then I, or an ad for my website. I sell like 300 in a day. I'm like, dude, great. And then two days later I'm like, I don't feel like doing that, Addy. Now I gotta do that.

A (66:18)

You have to do it every day.

C (66:20)

It is, it's a full, it's a mess.

A (66:23)

So.

B (66:26)

If, if there's ever another divorce, this one's gonna be way more messy.

C (66:32)

No, I mean, no, I mean, I.

B (66:35)

Don'T think it's gonna get online.

C (66:36)

We'll just get online and make memes about each other. It's simple, dude.

A (66:41)

You know, Profit off it.

B (66:43)

That's what I, that's what I don't understand. Like, if, If Rob was smart, like he would have kept this an Internet beef and we would have just been back and forth.

A (66:55)

He's mentally ill, bro. It's not smart.

C (66:57)

Just like the other. That's not. That's mentally ill. Yeah. Like he couldn't. He could have capitalized on that.

A (67:03)

He couldn't handle it 100. He tried. He. That guy tried running it. Everything into the ground because of it. His. Oh my God, dude. That guy's ego. I've never seen someone just try and destroy so much because it wasn't his. I just. It blew my mind. And it was at a point in time he could have. He just wanted to see others fail so bad that he was willing to burn everything down with it. I just.

C (67:30)

And that was the hard part to get by was like, you know, nobody's looking at it, nobody's liking it, but when somebody's talking about you, it's, you know, as a person, it's tough to go. I'm just gonna ignore it. And then every time he engaged though, it was like it helped. Helped him. So. Yeah, he could have, he could have done well with that. Like if we like, like I said we ever staged a coup, dude, and went at each other, I would we capitalize on that like there's no tomorrow.

B (67:58)

I mean, I, I mean at this point, I mean he's a. He's a old. Has been. I mean we could sell tickets to on pay per view. Dana White would do it.

A (68:08)

Jimmy versus Rob o'. Neill.

C (68:10)

But the.

B (68:11)

Oh, I'll train.

C (68:12)

I think the thing with Tyler and I is the transparent of all of us. And, and it's a transparency. There's just nothing. You know, it's Patreon. I think your old business partnership was very one sided in that one person wasn't very interested in anything and one person was doing everything.

A (68:30)

Yeah. So. And I have. I legitimately have PTSD from being like, I'm in. In my business dealings. I'm so paranoid that someone's gonna call me a thief that like, I'm over transparent. I know I call Mike sometimes and he's like, all right, cool, man.

C (68:47)

Yeah. You're like, hey, I moved this from now. I'm like, I don't give a. Like, I mean the. I remember, I remember, I remember. And that's where it was. Just blew my Mind, because I saw, I was able to see it from the outside, see it from the inside, and then go, that ain't it. And like, you know, it's funny, it's funny that everybody else was warned around you to be careful except me. It's almost like I already knew there's nothing to worry about, but so there was. It's funny. Everybody else was called within this organization at some point from somebody and said, be careful. Be. Watch out. Be careful. I never got that call from anybody. It's weird.

A (69:26)

That guy wouldn't even look you in the eyes, dude.

C (69:29)

I don't think he ever has.

A (69:34)

I forget this gets listened to by thousands of people.

B (69:38)

Dude. I, I, I'm, I'm. My, My dad is, is blowing me up now.

C (69:46)

Jimmy.

B (69:47)

Yeah, I mean, I had to, I had to turn it off.

C (69:49)

The Elizabeth Lane people. Don't forget. Jimmy and I are on the Elizabeth Lane show coming up. I don't know. When she drops it.

A (69:55)

Yeah, it'll probably be like she drops it on her platform pretty quick, and then she waits like five days or something to drop it on YouTube. Mike, you seen Minnesota finally sent state police to assist the ice processor. I saw that this morning.

B (70:06)

Yeah.

C (70:06)

There was also a test yesterday. Know we have a really good source on the ground. There was a shooting in St. Paul yesterday, but they didn't hit anybody. Agent fired his gun at somebody with a knife. Arrest was made. Everything went smooth. But, yeah, I mean, that's a, that whole situation is just. I mean, you wanted to talk about Sean Paul Reyes, too, I think, and get in all that.

A (70:29)

Yeah. All right, so. And this is Patreon. So, you know, we're like, I made, we. When I made the clip of the Eye of the Tiger thing, it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Obviously. We're used to that. I think when we push more people away, we actually draw more people closer because they're like, oh, these guys are, like, actually real. Like, they don't care about appeasing people. And, and one of those people that initially got pushed away was a contact that Mike had worked very hard on. Like a professional contact that gets. Worked very hard to. Because people are weird in the space. They're so used to people taking advantage of them that they keep people at a distance until you build almost like a, A personal, professional relationship with them. Like following each other on social media. That's a big like, oh, he followed me. Like, you can't rush it, right? You can't. It's like watching a baby deer. You're like, okay, maybe I'll wait, like two weeks and be like, yo, what's up, man? And. And Mike had spent time. His name's Sean Reyes, right?

C (71:26)

Sean Paul Reyes, Long island auditor. He just dropped. He just broke 1 million subscribers. We've all seen him with his videos, going up to police. And, you know, I got contacted through Dom and Lance Fisher, and it was right. You're right.

B (71:39)

I'm.

C (71:40)

I made the contact, but I've never, you know, never said, hey, can you help me? Can you do a podcast with me? I just let it kind of simmer. We talked. It's been about two and a half, three months, and he saw the reel and he unfollowed all of us.

B (71:54)

And.

C (71:54)

But he actually, when he reached out to Dom. Dom, Dom. Dominic Izzo, who was where I got one of the contact. And he said to Dominic, you know, I can't. I really take this stuff serious. Like, I saw this stuff. I can't. These guys joking. So Dominic reached out and said, hey, man, I think you should talk to Sean. He's willing. Like, I said, well, I don't know if he's gonna talk to me. I was like, he didn't text me. I'm like, you. I'll talk to him. I'm like, see if he's willing to talk. So he read me the messages back and forth. He said, yeah, so I text Sean Reyes on Saturday or Sunday. And I was like, hey, man, like, I would like to explain to you why we do what we do. He said, call me Monday. So yesterday, after the show, on the way home, I called him, I talked to him for about 45 minutes, and I explained to him that we have a massive platform of degenerate cops, degenerate 11 Bravos, and military guys that they only respond to dark humor. They're not going to respond. All right, ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a shooting in Minnesota, and we're going to discuss it. Like, they need to be dark humor. They're all ptsd, have some type of fucking mental health disorder, like, we all do. I said, so the only way to keep them engaged, we have to be dark, crude humor. But somewhere in there, as they come in to listen and see the funny, we kind of get serious for a little bit and say, hey, you know, we don't want to be killing everybody. We don't want to kill everybody, you know, so it was a good conversation. He understood where I was coming from. He's. He's very pro law enforcement. Like, people look at him and think he hates Kyle. He does not. He just loves the constitution. He's an immigrant. Came here legally, legally legal resident. He just loves the constitution. And he's not, he's not anti cop by any means. He just agrees that, hey, you know, the left does things that they shouldn't do. The right does things he should. We should never be cheating, cheering deaths. Shouldn't have cheered Charlie Kirk's death. We shouldn't be cheering this guy's death. He hates when people just say kill them all. Like, and I can understand that. And he was pro mask but anti Covid shot. He's like that. You have a right as a citizen. Decide if you want to wear a mask and if you want to get a shot. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm wearing one.

A (74:05)

Some of these people are a little self righteous in the fact that when he determines a, a moral code, like a moral strand of DNA that he could live by. Anybody who doesn't live by that is wrong. Like, well, Sean decided that masks are good, the shots are bad. Like, that's like it was.

C (74:21)

No, I think he a little bit. But I think he no, because he refollowed me after the conversation. He understood where I was coming from when I said your way of doing it my way and doing under two different ways. But at the end of the day, I think our message is pretty similar. We just don't think citizens should be getting mowed down.

B (74:38)

I, I, you'd think that somebody in the this sphere would understand different audiences. Like, there's, there's just, there's just different audiences out there, bro. I mean, yeah, there is, but.

C (74:50)

And I think it was knee jerk. He admitted he kind of like I tried to explain to Tyler when I called him yesterday to give him the update was just, you see something and you're like, I totally disagree. And your initial, like, you growl like Jimmy. And then you're like, well, it. I'm just gonna ignore this. I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna ignore this. I'm passionate about it. I'm just gonna ignore it. Any kind of like ignore, like it. I'm not. I can't watch this anyone. I'll be mad when I open my Instagram. It's his right to follow unfollow whoever he wants. I didn't get like, you what you asked. So Todd, I don't get like, he says it's his way. I think he just has parameters of like, this is what I think is.

B (75:26)

Right and it's the constitution and as he ever.

A (75:28)

Has he ever sat down with or confronted someone and came to terms with, like, an explanation or they came to an. Like a. An understanding? Or is it just him trolling people because he believes things are wrong? No, that's where I can't get behind things. It's like I. If I went and just forced my opinion on everybody and just trolled the. Out of them without conversation to be like, why did you do this? Like, okay, we can agree to disagree. Or is all of his confrontation trolling and then gotcha.

C (76:01)

No, it's not. If you watch it, if you leave, it's kind of like. Like the auditor video I was in. If you leave him alone, he's not gonna say. He's not. He's not like the black guy in Boston that's walking up to cops going, hey, you're yelling at him. He walks into a public place knowing he's allowed to be there. And the content is derived from cops not knowing the law, which then leads to the interaction. If you just go, hey, man, you're free to record. Appreciate your time. You're an independent journalist. Do what you got to do. There is no content. The content derived is derived from people not knowing their. The rights of him. Can you still go, all right, he's baiting people. You can say that, but it's kind of like anything else. If somebody's talking, you're a cop, and you punch them in the mouth because they're running their mouth in front of you. Now, how to do that? So he agrees a lot. Like, our conversation ended in agreement. Like, we ended with a complete understanding of both.

A (76:55)

Yeah, I do think he understands the fact that in order to stand out, you have to have shock. Right? Our shot. Our shock is we get people's eyeballs with shock, and then we tell them our real message. Right?

C (77:09)

No, he agreed. He agreed. He agreed. He said, I didn't. I didn't look deep enough into it. He said, I didn't look deep enough into it. I didn't hear. I said, if I challenge you to go watch my Sunday episode and see my take on it. I said, no, Tyler doesn't want anybody to die. Like, but we have to get the cops shocked with the crude humor and the dark humor to listen. And then at the end of the day, it's like, hey, man, you know that this is the message. And I think that's. He understood, and. And he's not that guy that you can't reason with. I'm. If I didn't know it I know it after yesterday's conversation, because we agreed on just about everything. It's just. I said our delivery has to be different than yours, man. Like, nobody's going to watch us if we're just. We're cnn. We're here to tell you what happened yesterday in Minnesota. Like, it's got to be like. And we don't have a million viewers subscribers either. If we did, we could just throw out there and everybody, you know, continue to get watched. You know, we have to. We have to be in a certain lane. So it was, it was. It was fine. I mean, Dom is identical to him. Dom and him are identical with most of their beliefs. Dom just doesn't give a. Like, he doesn't care. You know, we can talk about Dom. He's gonna talk back. It's all. He understands the game. Sean Paul Reyes is more of a. He doesn't want to play the game. He just wants to, like, do what's right for the constitution. So it's a different version of entertainment.

A (78:26)

What are you saying, Jimmy?

B (78:28)

Oh, well, I mean, I. I just. I think that we work really hard for every single one of the ones that we get. And. And I think you. You guys specifically know exactly what we're going after.

C (78:38)

Yeah. And.

B (78:40)

And so it's like, hey, you know, what you got to do is understand that, you know, I. I had this conversation with my dad. He's been listening to the podcast now. He hadn't listened to him for a while because he. He just thought it was, you know, dick and fart jokes, I guess, but.

A (78:54)

A little bit of dick and fart jokes, like, a little bit.

B (78:58)

You know, I was just talking to him and I'm like, you know, Mike does this, and this is what he's really good at. And Tyler does this and he goes, oh, well, I think, I don't think any of you guys are stupid. I listen to all of you and it's like, you guys are all some really smart individuals. And, like, you've got. You clearly got a brain in your head. I know Mike's gonna shake his head, go, I. I gotta.

C (79:18)

I've never been called smart before.

B (79:20)

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, that's. That's a guy with a master's degree who retired as a colonel. And that's what he said. So you could take that one to the bank. For what it's worth.

A (79:28)

Now he's Michael's the old anti stump and tries to. Oh, I'm just an idiot. But I think that's Mike's years of investigation to get people to. To get people to like kind of like come to your level. It's like, man, I'm just an idiot, dude. Help me understand this. Although, you know, I think you almost forget consciously that you're very smart.

C (79:49)

It's all part of the game. I wish I was smart enough to know which lottery tickets to buy because I'm damn sure not good at that.

B (79:56)

Well, I mean, we can't all be Nostradamus, brother.

C (80:00)

I'm just a dude.

A (80:01)

Hey, when's our shirts come in?

C (80:07)

Let me see.

B (80:09)

What was the second thing we needed to talk about?

A (80:12)

That was it Sean Reyes.

B (80:14)

Oh, Sean Reyes.

A (80:15)

I've been kind of wanting to like keep throwing around the Patreon. I want these guys to. To ask questions and stuff because. Yeah, man, we're talking about bigger Patreon tier. First off, Squealer, dms. I have a question for you. DMS and Patreon. If it. If your name is. I'm pretty sure your name's Squealer on there, but just let. Just send me an individual message.

C (80:39)

He came on the other day on phone call.

A (80:42)

Huh.

C (80:42)

He was on my. He came on Sunday with me on a phone call in.

A (80:46)

Oh, really?

C (80:46)

Squealer?

A (80:47)

Yeah, yeah. I gotta ask him a question about Rona. But. But yeah, man, we wanna this upper tier, you know, it know what kind of made me not worry, but I saw when we had that live on Saturday, you know, what could be. And yeah, it made me. Almost gave me a sick feeling to my stomach to see the regular people in there going so fast. Like I remember, see, I know Dylan's, I know Colts middle finger skeleton. And like they would comment and they'd be gone with all the riff raff of people who don't know us. And I was like, man, that it like it. I swear to God, it made me feel sick. Like all of a sudden we get a couple hundred people watching and now we can't even pay attention to the people that were here, you know, from the get go. So that's why I really. I really want Patreon to be like very special. And even if Patreon does become. Does become. What do you call that? Populated. I want there to be a separate thing that we can still like, yeah, like 20 of us, dude. Like there will be forever. Like there will be a. That everybody will just know. Like I wasn't. Oh, we were all OG when we rebranded the broadcast. All of us. Yeah, us three gonna be.

B (82:12)

We're gonna know who the they are. And. And again, like, that's the kind of thing again. And, Brady, I see your question. You know, that's the kind of thing, again, that sort of makes us different from other places. Like, Pat McAfee doesn't know the OGs. I was there when Pat McAfee was. Before he was anybody, when he had 50,000 subscribers. I was there, you know, when he had Brendan Schaub on a couple of times, you know, like, he was nobody.

A (82:47)

And did Pat McAfee go five days a week from the start, or was it just a podcast? A weekly podcast?

B (82:52)

No, no, he. There was. It was a slow build, but, I mean, of course he had a lot more capital than. Than, yeah, you guys do, you know, but he started not going five days a week, and then eventually he got the right setup, got the right equipment, and he was kind of doing it five days a week. And there were times when it was like, dude, there's no sound for 15 minutes, and he has no idea.

A (83:16)

Really.

B (83:17)

Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean, you can't even find those on the Internet anymore. It's, like, scrubbed. He deletes a lot.

A (83:23)

Oh, it was scrubbed. Or was it. Is it paid? But I know a lot of his videos on YouTube are membership.

B (83:28)

They might be behind a paywall. It might be behind it. But, like, at a certain point, I think they all fall behind a paywall. So, like, everything that's four years old and older goes behind the paywall. Yeah, but, you know, again, it's like, back then. But he never really engaged with the comments to begin with, so I don't really feel bad that he doesn't know. But again, we. We're kind of a different breed of cat. You know, we're. We're engaging with the community, so we know these at least as much as you can. And that's what makes it different. It's just. That's like, hey, you know, like, dude. My dad told me, like, when he came in, he was like. I was like, ah, my dad's in the chat. And they were like, what's up, Jimmy's dad? And he was like. And he. And he named him right off. He's like, it was guy named Colt. It was a guy named Clint, and it was a guy named Dylan. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, those are the regs. Those are the OGs, man.

A (84:27)

We should probably establish it right now, because what the. When we're. We're formulating the ideas for this bigger tier, obviously, we don't know how much to charge yet, but we're formulating what we'd offer. And like, one of the things is like, our. I can't speak for everybody, but I'm pretty sure Mike and Jimmy would be more on board than I would. Is our personal numbers out? Because at some point, like these people now, like y' all now is who I want to have my personal number and kind of like, moving on. It's like we have our, like, almost like a council of like, hey, we need guidance. We need 15 or 20 all to give us your opinion because we, you know, obviously.

C (85:06)

But I would think that top tier would come with a custom, custom top tier shirt as well type of design.

A (85:12)

Yeah, that's a good one.

B (85:16)

Whatever it is, they gotta have an icon. They gotta have an, like their own icon, either on YouTube or on Patreon. It's like, you know, it's like the OG guys, like, so when they're getting.

C (85:26)

Their ass beaten, arrested, they can be like, I'm a top tier anti hero.

B (85:29)

Stop.

C (85:30)

Hit me with the stick.

B (85:33)

Like, don't.

C (85:35)

I don't believe it, Tyler. But the order left California on the 23rd. That website, which is what says it should be here today, but the US Post office doesn't show it scanned in locally yet. So probably by the end of the week.

B (85:48)

Can I answer Brady's question, everyone?

C (85:51)

Whoever you want.

A (85:51)

Which one? Which question, Jimmy? When Rob. That one.

B (85:56)

He asked. Yeah, that one right there. He said. Yeah, Jimmy, when Rob tweeted a while back regarding keeping Red out of prison, do you think he's referring to the desecration of bin Laden's body according to Rob's new story? No, I don't, I don't think that's what it is. I think it has to do with how Amal got shot. I. What, What I think honestly happened is, and, and anybody that's ever been in a, A, a tier one unit or has been around him knows, like, they do not take negligent discharges lightly. Like that can get you fired from the unit, period. You can't have even one, not even one time. I think that there was something that happened, that Amal got shot. She shouldn't have gotten shot. She was shot in the leg. And that's why he had to say, oh, no, she wasn't shot. She. She was standing up in front of bin Laden. And when I had to shoot over him, like, I think this whole contrivancy is about how Amal got shot.

A (86:58)

I heard the word of the day earlier, but it apparently is contrivancy.

B (87:02)

Yeah, is. Is about where, how Amal got shot and why bin Laden's face was opened up. Because they, they said that they weren't going to do that. We lied, Jimmy. Yeah, that's, that's what I think. Now again, I wasn't on the raid, but I've seen enough, you know, I've done enough hits that I can go like, hey man, weird can, bad can happen when you're clearing houses. Even when you do it at 2 o' clock in the morning and the enemy doesn't know you're coming. I mean, I, I, my, like not really a war story. There's nothing really happened. We were going to do a hit in Iraq and it was in the summertime and in the summertime those like to sleep on the roof. I don't know why. That's what they did. So there was an outside stairwell that me and two other guys went up to clear the roof. Everybody went into the house. But the, the UAV told us, hey, there's, there's people sleeping on the roof and it looks like they have weapons up there. So we walked up there in the middle of the night. They were asleep. And then as we're going up and this is, there's no white light we're under nods and, and we start moving towards them. A guy sits up and sitting right next to him is an AK47. And I went, don't do it. Just like that. And he heard English and he stopped because I think he realized like, the Americans are here, it's over, it's, it's done. Now I would have been totally justified to shoot that guy, but that wasn't my mission. My mission was to capture them. We wanted to capture them so that we could interrogate them so we could get the next guy up the chain. I think something happened and that they did not want to come out and it made them look really dumb and now it's really making them look dumb. That's my opinion.

C (88:54)

Dumb ways to die.

B (88:58)

Yeah.

A (89:00)

Let'S see.

B (89:01)

I don't know. What do you think?

A (89:04)

I agree.

C (89:06)

I'm so sick of hearing about it. These guys, man.

B (89:09)

I know, I know.

A (89:10)

I could talk about it for days, Jimmy, to be honest with you, I can sit here talking about for hours. It just blows my mind.

B (89:17)

I know, I know Mike's done with it and I understand why. You know Mike, Mike's checked out on it, but for flux Raiders, for SIG365, at all. I don't even know what that is. I have no idea what that is. I have to look into that.

A (89:34)

What's the deal with counterculture gaming? Have we got any. We're getting. I, we got that email from that guy.

C (89:41)

That's it.

A (89:41)

Oh, it was me, Dom, But a guy that's always in the chat was talking about. It's like, it's a good, you know, at the end of the. Let me see, let me hear out one of the Anti hero top tier one. We'll call the anti hero top tier Tier one. That was good.

C (90:04)

That's pretty good. That'll be.

B (90:06)

That would be a. Huh. Hey, tyler was petty yesterday too, because. So I could see tyler doing that as well.

C (90:14)

We spell it t e a r though. Spell it. Tier t e a r. Tier 1. Tier 1. W y a n. Tier 1. Oh my God.

A (90:31)

Yeah, we were comparing, we were comparing, comparing video counts, video plays. It was just nice drop. We dropped two, we dropped two things yesterday. Both of them were more successful than something else that was dropped yesterday. And that is petty on me. I, I know it and I would never go publicly with it or say anything outside of our patreon, but you know, it's, it felt good.

B (90:56)

I mean he, he, I, he looked at me and he's like, you want to know how petty I am? This is how petty I am.

A (91:02)

And I went, I said it to my dude.

B (91:05)

That's dope.

C (91:07)

Dear one.

A (91:09)

But yeah, counterculture and gaming, it's just kind of in the formative stages. I know that I drive these dudes nuts, but I ha. Like, for me there has to be a brand and a schedule like it had. It can't just be like whenever somebody wants to game randomly. Like it has I.

C (91:25)

That see. But what are the broadcast different emergency broadcasts are very successful. You know who, you know who else broadcast without a schedule?

A (91:36)

Ocda am I. If the structure is to be unstructured, then that's good for me. That's the structure I need is that it's going to be unstructured.

C (91:43)

Like beautiful. The gaming is unstructured. You know who else is very unstructured is that guy that streams at night that I watch. Well, he has no schedule. He just pops on.

A (91:56)

We have to figure out if the gaming is going to be podcast about gaming or if it's going to be streaming gaming or a combination of the two.

B (92:04)

I, I really don't think talking about games is going to be interesting. I mean like, unless it's like, you know, I mean like you could. If you ever watch like guys that talk about games and they play it while they talk about it, you have to look at, like, Russian badger and, like, a few other guys that do it. And it's like, yeah, well, it's not just oversaturated. It's like, dude, I do not have the time, effort, or energy to be that good. But what I will do and what I'd like to do is go, hey, I'm gonna play this game. And I've seen guys like HLC and a few other people do this. Like, I'm gonna play this game. It's a MMO game. And we'll all play together. We'll all play together.

A (92:51)

Oh, so all counterculture can play together. Yeah.

B (92:55)

Like, that's what I think would be way better, is like, hey, we'll game together. Let's all go. Let's. Let's go play Starship Troopers together.

A (93:03)

No, it's not really. So mainly not even a YouTube channel, then. Just a. Just a thing.

B (93:10)

We'll be broadcasting it while we're doing it.

A (93:13)

Okay. Okay. Do we.

B (93:14)

So it's like. Yeah.

A (93:16)

Have we came any closer to figuring out how to do that?

B (93:19)

Not. Not within the last.

C (93:22)

I would think. Twitch. I mean, everybody's saying twitch or kick.

B (93:25)

I got home Friday. I. And. And then it was Friday I got home, and then. And I got home late Saturday, and I started getting ready for that. It was like my one day off. And then Sunday was gym, and then I was like, oh, I gotta go on to this thing. So I went and studied for that. I didn't even get to talk about because homeboy was just like. And then I was captured by the CIA. And then. But yesterday was busy. And then. Hey, but you know what, Mike? Did you look at the stream yard? Did you look at what time I went? I started recording.

C (93:59)

Let me look. Ladies and gentlemen, drum roll, please.

A (94:05)

All right.

C (94:06)

I. I'm very interested in 302pm Jimmy started Shadowcast episode six.

B (94:12)

Yeah.

C (94:13)

That's a world record.

A (94:15)

Hey, that's pretty good, though.

C (94:17)

That's two hours and two minutes post.

A (94:19)

You know what he said? He was like, hey, man, what I can't. What I can't help is a frago. If I got to start over, I'm like, jimmy, I don't. I don't care. It's just more guidelines than anything. We're trying to be more structured at the studio so we can get more done.

B (94:32)

Yeah. And. And, you know, but. But, I mean, that's. The soldier in me is like, you were told to start at 1500. You were in there starting at. Goddamn. Yeah. Why didn't you start at 2:45. Jimmy, you were not 15 minutes early.

C (94:50)

That's Tom Coughlin.

A (94:52)

Aqua Pong said. Jimmy, how did you come to be on the show? Thought you were Brent's friend initially. You want to give him a quick rundown of.

B (95:01)

I'm still friends with Brent, technically. I mean, like, first of all, I don't really like calling myself friends with Brent Tucker because, I mean, I've never gone out and drank a beer with the guy. I've never done that.

C (95:15)

Nobody has.

B (95:17)

Yeah, okay. Like a friend to me, like, is. Is very, very different. Brent was in the Defo with my. My really, really good. One of my best friends in life, guy named Greg Leach. And I Actually, if you don't mind, I'll. I'll put a picture up while I talk about this. If you don't mind.

A (95:40)

Tyler, If I minded about that Jimmy, I'd be a.

C (95:45)

Like you on his tattoo.

B (95:47)

Oh, okay.

A (95:51)

Yeah. What I mean, yeah. You want to. Want me to explain when you put up the picture or you want to explain too, as well? I'll.

B (95:58)

I'll. I'll explain. Explain. You can. You can explain your piece too, because obviously. Yeah.

A (96:02)

So Brett was like, hey, I have a guy coming that's gonna want. That's gonna come during the squadcast. He's just gonna come hang out. We were pretty used to that. Had two, three people a week, brand new, never met before. And so I was like, okay. And then Brent got caught in a snowstorm up in New York or something like that. It was bad weather. I don't know, some kind of storm. Wasn't able to make the flight in. Said, do you still want this guy Jimmy to come? I knew Jimmy was a veteran. I just didn't know much about him. So I was like, yeah, no, send him. That's fine.

C (96:37)

That's how we got Jimmy.

A (96:39)

Yeah. And so this was actually the live episode with Billy McQueen. Billy Queen. It's not McQueen, right? I'm thinking Lightning McQueen.

C (96:48)

Lightning McQueen.

A (96:49)

Billy Queen. Like Richard Alex. Alex Preddy. Richard Petty. So Billy Queen was here for the live and that's when Jimmy came and co hosted. Because I remember we. Remember when we put the Mongols cut on. Are we. We held it.

B (97:04)

Yeah.

A (97:06)

But Jimmy did a great job co hosting. Man jumped right in, was like, so, Billy, Tell me, tell me, Billy. And I was able to kind of like, run the. Run the squad cast, you know, like I kind of do typically. And Jimmy was able to ask, like, general questions that I just didn't have the time or energy to ask and care about. And then I remember talking to him for a while, a couple months. I'm like, hey, man, you got an act for this dude? You should start a podcast. And he was like, I've always wanted to. I've always thought about it, you know? And then Jimmy was like, hey, man, let me come back. And then one day he came back, and he just been here ever since.

B (97:38)

Yeah, it was. It was.

A (97:40)

You came back.

B (97:40)

One episode.

C (97:43)

Jimmy's never been. Jimmy never left. Yeah, that was the up and down. That was the rough time. Like, we weathered the rough time. We weathered the rough time before anybody knew we were weathering the rough time.

A (97:57)

Yeah, we. We knew Brent was gone, but Brent wouldn't make a statement, and we didn't want to be disrespectful. Huh? We didn't want to be disrespectful. Yeah, that. To Brent. But he wanted to do everything on. I mean, at the end of the day, he waited to put a statement out. We talked about this last Tuesday, and then he put it out on Patreon and didn't tell us that. He put it out in our Patreon. Like, we. We didn't. He was worried that we were gonna lock him out of things, and all of us were like, dude, you. We're not gonna lock you out of anything. He was like, I. You know, turns out it was to go take a bunch of sponsors and then tell them not. You know, I digress. But we didn't lock him out of anything. You know, he had passwords to everything, and, you know, that was a rough time. His way of the highway, dude. That's how it had to go down.

C (98:47)

Well, the interesting thing was, I'm gonna say, I don't give a. What's he gonna do to me?

B (98:53)

Yeah, dude.

C (98:55)

One of the things that I brought up when that was all going down was, you know, as an owner of a company, there's a thing called duty to loyalty to your company, which means you can't go compete against your own company. Yeah, I told him that. And then his next episode, he talked about that. You did it to him.

A (99:11)

Wasn't that. Isn't that crazy? Dude, that's the.

C (99:13)

Rob. That's. That's. That's. That's the. That's what I mean. I, I. And I. I don't dislike Brent at all. It's not. It's just some things like that. I know where I was standing when that conversation happened. We were. I was standing outside the county commission meeting when the budget was Going down. I walked outside to discuss the purchase of the company on the phone and we were haggling in the number. It was me and Brent on the three way. And I brought that up. And then he brought up counterculture as your version of doing that to him, which the whole point of counterculture was anti hero is part of counterculture. So it's not the same thing. But it's funny that I brought that up and then he brought it up on his next episode that you. You were. Had a loyalty. Yeah, it's. It's just little things like that that could have gone a lot. I. I don't. You know what, it's the cleanse that we were scared of. When everybody Left, we lost what, 6, 000 subscribers? We lost some significant numbers. But when it shook out, it was like, was it so bad to rebuild? Because I think had he have done it what I think is the right way? And this is Mike Dilks. This is not Antihero's opinion. This is Mike Dilke solely as a human being. It should have been. Hey, man, I'm. Everything he said should have been said the night he walked out and quit that night after that episode on the spot and never came back. So that should have been like out. In my opinion. That's good business. Regardless of your business differences, you guys built something together. And I don't think he agrees that, but you guys built something together that was pretty successful. And you know, for you and I, I always, you know, there's. There's always a possibility that you and I get to a point where we don't agree on something. Maybe we split in three years. Who knows? I don't foresee that. But I have enough respect for you that I would never just quit, walk out and take my ball and go home and leave you high and dry. Yeah, my word on that. So that's kind of what happened. And it's unfortunate, but I think like you said, trim the fat. We've rebranded, we started over. And I think I enjoy a smaller audience right now that, that we're very interactive with. And these guys are the OGs. They'll always be the OGs. And then as we get bigger, you know, everybody's. Everybody's part of the team, but these group of guys that. That weathered this storm and kept the good comments flowing that, hey, you guys are doing great. Like these. These are the guys. So, yeah, my loyalty is very, very. I have a massive loyalty problem. And I don't call it.

A (101:38)

You guys aren't allowed to change Your names, though, and try to keep your names the same on all platforms. So, like, like, Dylan, Matt, he. He cannot go change it to something.

C (101:47)

Else because Peanut Butter Sandwich. Peanut butter Sandwich.

A (101:50)

Like. Like Anti Air number one fan going to Tyler's Gay and then going back to number one fan then going back to Tyler's Gay. Like, can't. Gotta pick one.

C (101:58)

Even though I know Tyler's gay is definitely the best dancer.

B (102:01)

Yeah.

A (102:01)

All right, Jimmy.

B (102:03)

Okay, so that's Master Sergeant Greg Leach. Now, if you look down, you can see he's missing his trigger finger. He lost that when he was an SF dude. He got through Delta selection without that trigger finger. If you go to the next picture when you bring that up, that is me and Greg in Josh Madden's room in the barracks at one.

C (102:32)

Jimmy. Dude. God.

B (102:35)

Yeah, man.

A (102:38)

Yeah.

B (102:41)

So Greg was. He was a superhero. He was better at everything, effortlessly better, and, you know, was just diabolical about working out, like, even coming back from field problems when you want to clean gear and drink beer and, you know, eat pizza. He was like, I want to go run up the mountain. I'm like, you're a idiot. I'm not doing that.

A (103:09)

That does look like a guy that likes to run up mountains. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah.

C (103:16)

He.

B (103:16)

He ended up in the Defo, man. He ended up in the Defo. And I knew that I had talked to him and I was like, damn. You know, it was sort of like, you know, like, when one of us makes it, all of us makes it, you know, sort of like from Goodfellas. Like, it's like, I'm like, damn, dude, you did well.

A (103:36)

You're there. You were there for his training. You were there. And it's like. It's like almost like when you look at. When you look at biology, you look at opportunity and you also just look at sheer will. Yeah, he was the good. He was the only guy of you guys that were going to go that far. He was. He was all guys shot, and it's like he did it. It's like when your boy goes to the NFL. Yeah, I don't have anybody that did, but if you were in high school, you all played on the same football team, but, you know, he's going to, like, he's going, we're not going.

B (104:04)

Yeah, we're. We're not going to get that far. We're gonna max out, you know, somewhere on a bell curve. But we know. We know where he's going. And, you know, so when. When I found out Greg had made It, I, I, I wasn't surprised at all. I was like, yeah, of course he did his, you know, foregone conclusion. I would have been more shocked if he hadn't made it. And then I, I, I kept in touch with him as much as I could. And then in 2018 when I started contracting for Department of State. Now remember when you're doing this contractor stuff, there's kind of a pretty wide shot group of people that start out in whips. Some of them are infantry guys and, and you know, guys from Ranger regiment, Ranger regiment, stuff like that, par rescue guys, white soft guys. And then there's some other guys who have a pretty s, pretty serious background in special operations and they are using it as the stepping stone to get to something else like GRS or Ground branch or. Some of them are very happy to just be WHIPS guys because it's like they're the biggest, biggest fish in this pond and they make the most money and they get to kind of do what they want and it's awesome for them. So some of them don't want to go any further. So I'm getting ready to work with these guys and I, I got a call from, remember I said we, that picture of me and Greg is in Madden's room. Well, I got a call from Danny Madden, Greg's or Josh Madden's widow, and she said, jimmy, Greg killed himself. And I was, it was like, what, what the, what the are you talking about? Well, fast forward several years. I had met many other guys who were in the Delta Force. I had talked to them. I had, I had and, and had conversations with them. And then I would bring up Greg Leach and they would all clam up. It was, it was like, dude, like what the happened? So, and I talked about this on Justin's podcast too, you know, but I reached out and Brent told me what happened and that you reached out on Patreon. Surprise. Yeah, I reached out on Patreon. I did. And surprise, surprise. I mean, and of course, you know, I, you, you, you guys were sure. We're used to people name dropping. I'm sure Brent was, but dropping Greg Leech's name got his attention. And then when I was like, yeah, here's pictures of me and him together. Here's where I was at with him, you know, and he was like, you know, and talking about things that he and I had done, he's like, yeah, this guy definitely knew Greg. So when I, when I talked to Brent and he told me, and this is, this is sort of applicable because of what's happened recently. Greg was a. Not a drinker. He did not drink alcohol. He. He was a Mormon. When I knew him, he didn't even like that I had Bud Light in the house because we lived off post together. And he had a massive drinking problem in the Delta Force Force. Massive. And it got him fired from the Delta Force because of it. He could not get it under control. And then two nights after he got fired, he killed himself in a hotel room in Fayetteville. That was. That was the end. And I didn't know that until I had talked to Brent Tucker.

A (107:48)

You didn't even know he committed suicide?

B (107:50)

I knew he committed suicide, but I didn't know why. I didn't know how. I didn't. I didn't understand. Understand. Didn't make any sense to me.

A (107:58)

So Brent told you, essentially. Yeah. Come to the squad cast and we'll talk about your buddy Greg. Greg, Brent. For whatever reason, I do believe it was weather did not show up. Jimmy showed up, but then Jimmy came a couple other times, and Brent kind of just avoided it. Like, avoided conversation in general. So that way he didn't have to talk about. You didn't get the chance to go, Brett, talk to me. Right.

B (108:26)

Yeah, that's what I wanted. I wanted to sit down and go, tell me about my friend, man. Tell me about my friend. I want to know what happened to him. Because the guy I knew was not like that. So what the happened? There's some contrivancy about some of the operations that Greg went on. Yeah. That. That are in the media that some people don't like, you know, certain aspects of. Of what Brett and. And may possibly Greg did. And I. I don't know. I don't know why Brent doesn't really want to talk about Greg, but I know that. I know that somewhere sometimes he does. And, you know, I don't know. I don't know what I can say right now. I really don't know what I can. I don't know what. How far you guys want to let me go, because I got things I want to say that I really want to get off my chest, but.

A (109:26)

I don't think. You cannot say anything. That's really up to you.

B (109:30)

Okay, well, here's the deal, man. Brent. Brit invited me to come on to the Tier one podcast, and I said no. I talked to the boys about it, and. And I was like. At first I was like, hey, man, maybe this will heal the rift. That was my first thought. And then I thought about it. I Called Tyler back and I was like, I don't think this has anything to do with healing the rift. I don't think it's going to change anything. I think this is really. There's something else going on here. I don't remember what I said, Tyler, but I was like, there's something else going on here. There's some sort of manipulation that I don't understand. And. And I was really nervous about calling you about it. Well, he's continued to ask me to come on and he wants me to talk about the moon landing, which is ironic because we just had that conversation on and on Elizabeth Lane's show. If you were going to invite me on the show, Brent, you should have asked me to come on and talk about Greg. There wouldn't have been shit.

A (110:32)

I'll give you an easier one, Jimmy, just talk to you about it. But sometimes, sometimes it's. When people are. Sometimes I'm not saying anybody in particular, but sometimes if people are so truly self centered that that's all they show is that you can see them through them like a glass window. That they only come to you when they need something. And then once they don't need what they. Once they don't need it anymore, they're. They're gone. And so if he was. If he. I feel like if Brent had said hey man, like six months ago, like we never got to talk, man. You've made the trip several times. Dude, get on the phone. What do you want to know? That one right there. What is a. What a regular person would do. But to be honest, I'm not. I'm not to some people. You're not to some people. Mike ain't to some people their own families aren't. To some people they are just. It's them and them only. They are out there on the. On the. In their head. They are in tryouts for life. Mono. E Mono until they are six feet under. That's just how it is.

B (111:38)

And, and. And here's the thing, man. Like. And. And I'm. I gotta give him credit. He did tell me. He did talk to me for about an hour about Greg, but it wasn't there. Was not. I didn't get the real resolution that I wanted because what I really wanted to do.

C (111:54)

And.

B (111:55)

And maybe this makes me a. You can tell me that this makes me a. And that's fine. All the other friends that I had that knew Greg are dead. Madden is dead. Fiskus is dead. Schoolcraft is dead. McLamrock's dead. I mean I Can go on and on. Phil Jenkins is dead. Dave Luff is dead. All those guys, they're all dead. I was alone. I wanted to talk to somebody who knew my friend because I'm the only one.

C (112:29)

Have you ever said that hurts me, man. Have you ever said that to him?

B (112:33)

No.

C (112:34)

He deserves to hear that. He deserved. You deserve to say it to him. You deserve. You deserve to say it to him. That's my opinion, you know.

B (112:44)

Yeah, you're right.

C (112:44)

Especially on the guys that you were. The initial conversation, if I'm not mistaken, you just said was about that. The initial reach out.

A (112:54)

If you hadn't reached exactly what it was about, we wouldn't be talking right now. So I'm thinking I'm thankful for that, selfishly.

C (113:00)

Yeah. But I think Jimmy deserves to have that conversation. It's like. I'll stop. Never mind.

A (113:08)

All right, well.

B (113:11)

Sorry, guys. I'm so sorry.

C (113:12)

I just ordered. I just ordered doordash.

A (113:16)

Nick. I gotta learn how to say this. Prowl, Prowl. Prowl says this is a show I came for. Been here since 2023. Only recently have felt comfortable speaking up just because just being a regular dude wasn't cool until recently. Thank you for making infantry great again. Amen, brother. That's what.

B (113:34)

That's a shirt. Make the infantry great again.

C (113:38)

Regular dude.

A (113:39)

That is a good shirt. Yep.

C (113:42)

I mean, just a regular.

A (113:44)

I honestly think that there's. The infantry is a team mentality, you know, cops are supposed to be a team mentality. First responders, like we're all. So none of us have an inflated ego to the point where we know we ain't without everybody else. That's what really helps build the 99, is that it comes naturally to guys like us to know that me, Mike and Jimmy can sit here and talk to her blue in the face. But if we're just stroking our own egos, no one. No one cares.

C (114:12)

I just don't know. I. I don't know. I just don't understand. When you're in a room with people like minded, I can see if we walked in and there was engineers or astronauts in the room or. Or whatever. But when you're in the room with like minded people that did the same job and then my mom raised me with manners and. And introducing yourself and speaking with people, I just don't understand not engaging in conversation. Especially when somebody traveled to meet you or took the time to come into your realm. And I just won't ever understand that. And I'm a very talkative person. Obviously. I talk to the wall. Jimmy is too. Tyler's a little more reserved. But if. If you, like, you know, if you came to my place, you just. You deserve to be spoken to. And. And, hey, man, how are you doing? Nice to meet you. Like, how. What's going on? And then you add the connection of a mutual friend in the military that is no longer with I. It just doesn't make sense to me. It never will. And that's about as best I can say without being a complete. So that's the best. That's the best way I can say it.

B (115:19)

Yeah. And I would rather be. I would rather kind of approach this with the emotion of sadness, because that's really the emotion that I have, because I. Yeah, I was angry, but it was really just sad. You know, I was bummed out. And my wife made a really good point. She said, just because he knew Greg doesn't mean he. Greg was his friend. But you definitely were.

C (115:43)

Yeah. Yeah. And I look at this, like. I look at this, like, honestly, and I'm gonna say this. People think I'm crazy. I don't want this to get too big. I don't want to not make money. Obviously, money is cool, but money's not everything. Comfortable. Comfortable enough to be. Like you said, like, McAfee gets so big, and now he doesn't remember. I don't want to be that big. And as Copville grew, it happened twice. Now, obviously, I answer everything, but you don't want to be so big. It's like you just generically throwing responses and. And then not really. Karen. About everybody. Like, there's a sport spot where it's just comfortable. I'd like to be very. And I'm comfortable now, but I would like to be comfortable enough that we're all comfortable and that we maintain the line. We maintain the line of what we started this for, which is the boys and 99. I don't want to be. Mike's on a crew nine months, the end of the year, and I never want to get to that point. I want to get to where we're all comfortable and we can continue to produce this type of product for everybody. Continue to engage, continue to make custom designs, do the small things. That keeps it what it was. And that's going to be a challenge if it grows. We have to stay true to that, to ourselves. That aspect is we're always for the guys. We're always for the guys.

A (117:00)

For the boys, baby.

C (117:02)

Yes. Yes. And Liz. Yes.

A (117:07)

And the one girl. Yeah.

B (117:09)

Well. Well, I mean, you know, Heather's in here sometimes too. So she could take charge of that.

A (117:17)

So yeah, we'll try to get counterculture gaming. I love the concept of it. I really do. If it's just because I don't understand the culture I'm not into it doesn't mean that that's not a huge. And it also just business wise, there's a bunch of video gaming. That whole video gaming realm is people that might be interested in our show for other reasons that we wouldn't be able to reach had we not reached them through gaming. So I'm into it. I'm all about it. And we'll get more info on info on that just as long just as well as the. The other tier and in Patreon. So that's it, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. We will see you tomorrow.

C (117:55)

Give him the guest. Give him the guest.

A (117:57)

Sinister. So he is a army grunt deployed to Iraq. He turned, turned rapper. He has. He's got a very weird. He called it trap metal. He's white and he's. He's. He could do the death core and he can also rap like crazy. So his name's Sinister. Sinister S I N I Z T E R. But we follow each other. You can. He follows us. We follow him. You can go there. He'll be on tomorrow. Talk his life story, talk some grunt stories, talk some rap stories. It'd be a good time. So we'll see you at 11am tomorrow. Jv team for life. Close your eyes, exhale. Feel your body relax and let go of whatever you're carrying today.

B (119:15)

Well, I'm letting go of the worry.

A (119:16)

That I wouldn't get my new contacts.

B (119:18)

In time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1, 800 contacts. Oh my gosh. They're so fast.

A (119:23)

And breathe.

B (119:24)

Oh, sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order.

C (119:29)

Oh, sorry. Namaste.

A (119:31)

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