Justin (3:04)

Yeah. So what are we asking if Justin's old enough to podcast? Yes, I am old enough to podcast. I 43 years old, if that means

Mike (3:15)

anything in my comment in my DMS before we came on.

Justin (3:19)

Yeah. Oh, so you are going to talk about it.

Mike (3:21)

I'll talk about a little bit before why we're killing time. The big level of like anti hero. I don't even check comments. I don't worry about everybody on me there. But locally, I, you know, my episode drops at noon today on. Yeah, and another episode update on the sheriff and his buddy. And I got one of his, one of the captain's buddies is just up my ass. The whole normal routine they go through. You're a disgrace cop. You hate cops. Didn't you get demoted? Didn't you have to resign? Like all the normal stuff? I'm like, yeah, check out my podcast. I can't cover all that. And then they threaten me and all that stuff and.

Justin (3:59)

But coming in, like, coming in with like old news, like, old. It's like, yeah, hey, you know, where have you been the last two years?

Mike (4:06)

And I always come on, I'm like, tell hey, if Cliff with Cliff is the sidekick. And I'm like, tell him, tell him to come on. He can talk about you. Come on and talk. You know, it's a fake profile or just a picture. And then I always end with thanking them for following me. Support. I start saying dumb. Then I send them like a sponsor picture and say, don't forget to check out my sponsors. And then it's usually how it goes. USA let us down last night.

Justin (4:31)

Totally, completely.

Mike (4:32)

You have no idea how bad. USA let us down last night because G Money was going to rock the world with his.

Justin (4:42)

Yeah.

Mike (4:43)

Oh, God.

Justin (4:45)

I mean, so. So we're talking about the World Baseball Classic in Miami. Last night was the final between the United Team USA and Venezuela. So it was billed politically as a little bit of a, you know, Venezuela versus usa. But then you've got this, but you've got this hot streak of states winning. You've got Team USA for women's hockey, men's hockey, both winning the Olympics that even, even the sled hockey from the Paralympics, those guys won. So it was like a big deal. And then coming into the game last night, all the US Hockey team sweaters or you know, jerseys got sent and so these guys all walked in on their walk in wearing US hockey jerseys that supposedly were the game winning hockey jerseys. I don't know why they would send that. But okay, so that was pretty cool. And you know, so there was like all this hype and build up. But you've got to know for those that don't and maybe didn't watch the game, you've got the highest population of Venezuelans non living in Venezuela, live in South Florida. So that was a home game for Venezuela if, if I've ever heard one or seen one. And us tried to help out, you know, but the game was not there.

Mike (6:04)

USA looked flat. Venezuela looked like they wanted to be there. USA looked tired, like they were just kind of going through the mo. Judge Owen over four, three strikeouts and yeah, it took them to what, the eighth inning when Harper hits a two run home run to you know, tie the game, bring them right away, give it back in the next inning and lose. And it was just like they still, they just didn't look. I didn't see the fire in Team USA like I saw from the Venezuelan players, everybody. It just didn't look. Didn't look great.

Justin (6:35)

Yeah, I mean, you know, a funny thing or cool thing personality wise. You got Pat McAfee who does an afternoon show on ESPN and on YouTube, he own show in Indianapolis and then flew to Miami and was at that game with some of his boys from his show. I mean someday maybe Anti Hero will be that big that you know, you guys can, can fly to an event right after doing the broadcast. But you know, maybe, maybe I'm trying, working on it. We keep working on it, working on it. So yeah, you know, so you know it was cool to see that he was there but he was super disappointed because he was really pushing it on his show, you know, on, in the lead up to the, to the event and, and it's been a small, not a small event but not a very big deal. But it's a tournament, it's a preseason tournament before spring training or kind part of spring training for these guys. I just think it's a little, you know, a little odd. I don't know the complete makeup of Venezuela, the their baseball team, but most of their guys live and work in the United States so that's kind of thing.

Mike (7:44)

My wife's like, so here's, here's my wife's take on it. She's like, that's. This is all fraud. She's like, they live in America. She's like, they're America. I don't care where they come from. She's like, they're. They might be Venezuelan. She's like, but without America, this would be a nick rant. Without America. She's like, they don't have a job. They're paid. This is bull. She's like, they should all be playing for America unless they live in Venezuela. And I was trying to explain, like, the World cup and how that were in hockey. And she's like, I don't care. She's like, they're in America. They're American. So she was. It was pretty funny explaining it to her.

Justin (8:13)

But, yeah, no, I mean, it's a fair. It's a fair argument. It's. It's. Those are things that I, I want to think about. But ultimately, I'm just like, hey, I'm just proud to be an American, and I'm here and live in America, and I'm glad that people can come over here and have opportunities to. To play and, and better themselves. And, you know, it just. It means that our guys got to work harder. But, you know, I mean, we have a huge talent pool. I've dealt with it a lot in soccer because I'm a big soccer fan, and I watch all the. That or the lack of that happens with soccer in America. And, and, you know, you'd think we. We could be the best. But, you know, there's. There's a lot of other sports. We have a lot of opportunity in America, and it, and it gobbles up the youth and, and, you know, they play all kinds of sports.

Mike (8:56)

Yeah. So it. And you're right. And we own, like, major sports, obviously, other than, like, soccer that is huge over in Europe, like those European leagues and all that, but we own all the other major sports. And it's like, if you. Other than Japan, Japan's baseball is. Is legit.

Pat Brosnan (9:15)

They.

Mike (9:15)

A lot of the Japanese players stay there. They make really good money. A few, obviously, the Otanis come over, but every other country, obviously very poor, doesn't have, you know, their, Their entire world is to make it to United States, to get paid real money to be a player. So I don't knock the hustle, but I can see the argument, like, well, now you're an American. You're an American citizen. You came Here, like, like, I see we could make the statement that, well, you know, now you're gonna go play for your country.

Justin (9:42)

I read an article leading up to the, to the Baseball classic that, you know, it's. It's pretty interesting because they, you know, baseball, America's pastime and America and stuff like that. And, and then we're kind of like, well, how did the sport grow in these odd places, you know, there? And so, and the thing is, is it's American influence in those places. You've got GIs that are living in Japan that are bringing the base, the game of baseball, you know, after World War II and stuff, over to Japan. And so they're learning about baseball and then they're playing it. And Japan doesn't necessarily. I'm gonna maybe speaking on my ass, but Japan doesn't necessarily have like, their, you know, major sports. So baseball became huge, other than maybe wrestling, but, you know, and then you've got these, you know, Latin American countries or, you know, like the islands like Cuba, Dominican Republic, that have huge baseball, you know, growth. And it's, it's because of American influence in those countries and, and how it grows into there. You know, you've got American influence in Venezuela. Pre communism, that was the oil industry coming down there. So people are moving down for the oil industry and they're living there and they're running companies down there, and then they bring baseball to those countries. So this is, you know, a pretty interesting article.

Mike (11:09)

I respect the hustle. I mean, obviously you're in a poor country, a regular job. There's. You're never going to be rich. You're never going to be, you know, unless you get in the government or whatever. And a lot of those governments are corrupt or have issues. So it's like, what can I do? So these guys start at like four or five years old, and that's all they do. And yeah, just from Podcasting weekly, my easy first world problems. It's hard to do the same thing over and over again. It gets redundant, it gets old sometimes. And it's like these kids are like, becoming like, massive, you know, athletes that are like, scouted at 14, you know, they're so far ahead of, like, the times and how hard they work. So I can never, never knock that. Like, I see a country where these guys are making 25, 30 million dollars a year, and I have to learn to play this sport, which isn't easy, obviously. If it was easy, everybody would do it. So it takes years of dedication, practices, all that hard work. I don't ever knock that man. You know, you come back, you come here and then.

Justin (12:12)

Yeah, so yeah, that's, I mean, and then you think about baseball and I think back to my youth of the, you know, sandlot, watching them run around the, the town to just buy a baseball because they lost the baseball and they're scraping up coins. So baseball is one of those easy things that you. Kind of similar to soccer where you need two goals and a ball in a field and that's all you need. And so that's why soccer's easy to grow even in the poorest areas. You know, baseball you need, you know, because they've got stickball too, that you can kind of play and get the, the, the, the semantics of baseball down. But, you know, you just need a stick or a bat and a ball. You can catch the ball bare handed, you know, but if you got a, a glove or a mitt, you can kind of do it. Versus the hockey of the world, which is like one of those rich sports or I mean, I'll go all the way rich. Wouldn't go, go polo this or, or horse racing. But you know, you've got to own a lot more equipment for hockey. You've got to own a lot more equipment, you know, even sometimes for football. I mean, except for flag football.

Mike (13:14)

Yeah. And the rule, like rules, like think about like it's, it's a little harder to throw a baseball game together where nine on nine rules umpires like versus soccer, they set up like you said, you set up two poles on each side and throw a ball down and, but they could, you know, it's obviously easier to learn. Not easier, but more easy to, to organize and get together and learn that skill. Then obviously baseball takes a lot of other things. So.

Justin (13:42)

Yeah, for sure.

Pat Brosnan (13:44)

All right.

Justin (13:45)

All right. Well, yeah.

Mike (13:46)

Ready?

Justin (13:47)

Looks like our. And if, for, if the chat can chime in, I'm getting like a little bit of like a lag or whatever once in a while. If the chat wants to chime in on it, let me know if, if you're hearing it. If not, I'll just power through today.

Mike (14:01)

I'm going to give you. This is Patrick Bronson. He's a Fox News commentator, a long time NYPD cop. I talked to him last week. He was brought to us by G Money. This dude's a real deal. Not some man, you know, just walked around. He was on the robbery. I'll let him describe talk about himself but this isn't like, hey, just another dude. This guy did some, some real old School, nypd, police work. So let's bring Patrick in. How you doing?

Pat Brosnan (14:30)

Hey, man. Very cool. Thank you. How are you?

Mike (14:33)

Good, good, good.

Pat Brosnan (14:34)

Let me get centered, guys. Who am I with there? Justin and Mike. Yep.

Justin (14:38)

Hey.

Pat Brosnan (14:39)

Hey, man. Pat Brosnan. How are you?

Mike (14:41)

I'm just a date today.

Pat Brosnan (14:43)

Hang on. I'm good with eight tracks. I'm not good with this, so if you got it. If you got an old holler you want me to tune, I can do that for you.

Mike (14:52)

Great. I'm gonna try to. Are you gonna try to do the height and everything is way ahead of us.

Pat Brosnan (14:56)

Yeah, right.

Justin (14:57)

He's got a ptz. That thing. Man, that's nice.

Mike (14:59)

Tyler's really short, so we don't even try to fix him.

Pat Brosnan (15:03)

Well, listen, I. I only have certain limitations, bro. I mean, I. Tyler, you know, you're on your own there. Good morning.

Mike (15:10)

Tell us a little bit who you are and why you're here, and. And your. Your resume is impeccable, so run us through it.

Pat Brosnan (15:18)

So, guys, I'm a son of the Bronx. I was born in the South Bronx, went to school there, lived there for 34 years, right on the charms, De La say, the Grand Concourse, right next to Yankee Stadium. I was actually an English major. I went to a college in the Bronx. I thought I would be. I don't know what I thought I would be, maybe an English professor at some point. Instead, I went on the NYPD. I was on there for a little over 14 years. I was in a robbery squad for 10 years in the 46th Precinct, which at the time and still has the distinction of being the most dangerous square mile in North America, based on reporting of the seven major crimes, population density, and demographics. The reason I know that is I did my graduate paper on that when I was in graduate school, and I affirmed it as a material fact. So I had a lot of fun there. A lot of fun and games. It was the rock and roll 80s and 90s. I was there, if you can believe it, for the opening day of crack. Just like Major League Baseball, crack has an opening day. I actually have ascribed it for years, with no basis in fact, to the High Holy Day, St. Patrick's Day, what else? And that was yesterday. So I always felt the opening day of crack was around St. Patty's Day. But, yeah, we were there in the tumble down rock and roll Bronx for quite a few years. I was a super active guy. I was involved in a lot of shootings, a lot of action, just the way it was. I got hurt in a shooting in 95 of January and at the time I was in the robbery squad, but I was also Mayor Giuliani's bodyguard. I was running his protective detail at the time. His first round when he took the city from David Dinkins and straightened things out. And then all of a sudden I was retired. So, boom, I'm out the door. I'm about 35 and had no clue this is all coming to an end like that. I would have stayed 100 years. Honestly, I loved it. I honestly, it's hard to believe I would have done it for nothing. I would have did it for free. I felt I had a front row seat to the best show in town, the best show in the world. And I had a floor business, believe it or not. We used to scrape floors, fix floors, hardwood floors, pickle them, bleach them, stuff like that, repair them. So I was making about the same in the floor business as I was as a detective. So to me it was found money. It was really gravy. I was making the shackles and the floors and I was having the time of my life. Never wanted to take off. Killed me to go on vacation. Always freaked out over other guys getting pistols off the street when I wasn't there. I always felt they were my guns, they had no purpose in taking them. They were slated for me and my partners. And it was just a bizarre, bizarre thinking. But listen, I loved it to death. And all of a sudden I was out. And so I was lucky. I had great contacts with Rudy and at the time, Commissioner Bratton, Bill Bratton. And I was able to connect with a prize fighter out of middleweight champ. Actually he fought Hagler to a standstill named Mustafa Hampshaw. He put me in touch with the King of Saudi Arabia's brother who was the prime minister. There was 11 boys, so he was the heir apparent. He was number 10. He was the king to be. And I wound up, I want to traveling extensively with them and living with them and protecting them with a team of 32 guys that were my team from Rudy's days. I brought the executive protection guys. We lived with them for quite some time, had that detail for a while. Was able to scrape up some seed money so I could start a small investigations and a little security, but primarily investigations. I did that for about eight years, did some travel around the world, had a small team. We handled some pretty cool stuff. A lot of COVID surveillance, a lot of very comprehensive diligence. A lot of sneaky little stuff that we were able to do to gain actual intelligence for our Client base. Then gradually it morphed into a security business. And I started with about 50 guys, not even 20 guys. I sold the business 29 and a half years later. Typical overnight success, right? 30 years in the gutter would switch place for my life and then all of a sudden I'm out the door last December and the largest security company in the history of the human race, allied universal, that's 23 billion with a B in top line revenue. They scooped us up a little piece of comparatively, but we were national. I surrounded myself guys with the best and the brightest and I paid up for them at the top guys, the top guys from the CIA, top guys from the FBI. I had police commissioners, four star chiefs, I had them all, they were all great. Some were PhDs, some were lawyers, some were top ranking law enforcement officials. And we grew the business to the time of sale to about 7,000 direct employees. And we were operational boots on the ground in over 500 cities and 43 states when every major state, I mean we weren't in Utah, the Dakotas, Hawaii, Alaska, Montana, there's just no crime there. But we were in all the cities that, that were, you know, that had problems relating to criminal activity and, and heightened gun violence and, and now I'm in the counter drone technology business. So I went right into another crime fighter. Well, I had no interest in doing anything else but staying in crime fighting. I've been doing time and I was really fortunate. I partnered in with a company in San Francisco and we're doing some really, really cool stuff with the government and with private folks. So there you have it.

Justin (21:10)

It's a long elevator pitch for, for, for counter drone. Were you guys out there working during the super bowl that was just out there in last month?

Pat Brosnan (21:20)

Yeah, we were, we were support, we were supporting their drones for police responders with our technology. We were at seven major league, seven World Series. We've been the field of dreams with a whole range, a range of both industry, military and very highly attended venues, some music venues, top level sports venues. And it's pretty interesting because if you think of the acronym dim, which is a great way to kind of, to compress our operating capabilities, think of detect, ID and mitigate. So we have about 70 patents on that technology. So we have the ability to detect to id. Think of a license plate reader in the sky. We can identify who the registered owner is and we can identify where the pilot is standing within three feet of where his feet are anywhere. And then we can mitigate. We can mitigate with a kevlar Net. It's pretty cool stuff. It's really amazing stuff. And listen, I. I partner in with it. These guys did all the. They did all the stuff. I mean, I barely know the dim part, but the reality is they did amazing stuff. And now I'm in, and I'm kind of their global spokesperson as well as a partner, so it's very cool. Super amazing. Yeah. Thank you. No, it's. Hey, you know, it's the future, let's face it. Look what's happening, you know, look what's happening in the Ukrainian war and look what's happening with Iran. Yeah. Drones are here to stay, man. They're scary, you know?

Justin (22:57)

Yeah, yeah. Anti Hero has a correspondent that's in Ukraine and talks about the. The drone warfare and, and the stuff like that. And. And I can't imagine, you know, being in the trenches or some of these videos that we've seen on social media, just hearing the sound. I mean, I know from. From working special events as a police officer myself and being a drone pilot, like, you hear that noise and it's like, okay, there's a drone up somewhere. Let me see where I can locate it. All right, I was doing what your technology group does. I was doing it as a human being with experience and just trying to say, all right, what's. What's the intentions of what they're doing? Are they just taking pictures or filming, or is there something attached to it? And then. And then where are the. The locations that that drone could be piloted from without any technology? I was trying to do it just as a human with ears and eyes, you know, so it wasn't as dangerous.

Pat Brosnan (23:48)

Yeah, well, you know, Justin. But it's the human experience, the. The context and nuance that you bring from your life experiences and expertise as well. The police officer, someone who's involved in it, that is extremely supportive, or rather vice versa. The technology is. Is extremely supportive of that skill set, you know? I mean, yeah, for sure. When you, when you think that a bad guy can go on instacart, get a $500 drone delivered to his crib in 24 hours, pay for it with a prepaid Visa card, not have to register it, because the registration, as we stand here today, it's going to change, but hasn't changed yet. Executive order issued on June 6 dictated that they must register. You don't have to register. You know, what is. It's an honor system madness. So there's no titling, no registration, no licensing. You know, it's like having cars and just hey, don't worry, you don't need a license. Don't bother inspecting, insuring, titling or registering. Just go. That's what it's like is the Wild West.

Justin (24:54)

Yeah, yeah, you're totally right. Yeah, with the wild west for sure, with the drone stuff.

Mike (25:00)

But I want to go to the hood stuff. I want to go to the.

Justin (25:03)

Yeah, go all the way back. Go back.

Mike (25:06)

You can't skip over with me. You can't skip over 14 years of robbery in the worst square mile in America. So tell us where that is and tell us what your daily with. I mean, we all see New York on the TV every day back then. Tell us what was going on in an average day for a robbery unit detective in that freaking hellhole.

Pat Brosnan (25:26)

My absolute pleasure. I, I often when, when I do try to, to visualize, but to convey or first conceptualize what it was like then. Today, when the city is infinitely safer, I always turn to the movies. I said, take a look at Death Wish with Charles Bronson. Take a look at Taxi Driver with Robert De Niro. Mean Streets with Harvey Keitel. Take a look at them. And that was the Bronx in the early 80s, late 80s and up to the mid-90s, until Rudy came riding in and basically straightened stuff out. So just to give context, at that time there was 100,000, maybe a hair over 100,000 robberies, reported robberies in the city of New York every year, probably from 87 up until about 94, 100,000. We were the mug and capital of the world. That's what they used to call New York City back then, mugging capital world. And just to give you context for Today, it's not 100,000, it's 3,097% fewer robbers. So if someone goes down to the city today, and I get into these discussions with folks regularly, they say, hey man, I was in the city, I went by the guard and there's a guy shooting dope, there's a bunch of bums doing this. They arrest it. I said, there's a perception of the city being ridden with crime. There's a perception of the city being dirty, being populated by these zombie type homeless. But the facts do not support it. The facts support a far safer city. We went from 2205, 91 murders just to switch into the murder business. And I wasn't in that business. I was in the robbery squad, I was in the gun squad. Really the stick up squad. That's all I did. Today there's about 300 murders, 2200, 300, 100,000, 3000. So what does that mean? When there was 100,000 robberies, we'd come into the squad, there was only nine of us, eight guys and a female. And just in the four six alone, which was one square mile. And to tell you, to give you geography, it was Fordham Road in the Bronx. Everybody knows Fordham. It's a very well known thoroughfare. It runs east and west in the central West Bronx. It went from Fordham and we went south to the Cross Bronx Expressway. And we went from Webster Avenue, another main north, south thoroughfare, and we went to the river, okay, so we went over to the river from Webster and went down. So it was only one square mile. But in that one square mile, if you can believe it, was 200,000 documented folks. 200,000. And that's not counting for where, you know, there's an apartment and there's six on the register on lease, and there's another six came in from another country. So it's probably significantly higher. But the census supported 200,000 in one square mile. So the density was unbelievable. And the inclination a lot of times were for folks who were working there at the time and even looking back at it, was to envision that it was really all bad guys, all bad people. But it really wasn't. There was a lot. There was an inordinate amount of really bad actors, but there was a lot of good folks there too. There was a lot of people who were there who were banded by their children, older parents who were trapped in their apartments behind four or five locks and a police bar and they couldn't get out for groceries. I mean, it was really, really, really, really dangerous, to give a very significant example. And I was in conversation with some buddies of mine recently, and it came up about two weeks ago. We were talking about there was, I think two shootings or two murders in Brooklyn about two weeks ago. And I said to one of my buddies who was on a thread who worked with me in the 46 at that time, I said, hey, John, we turned out on New year's morning in 84. We were brand new rookies, could be 85, 84, 85. And we were doing a day tour at 8am to 4pm in the 4 6. And there was four dead guys, four on four separate corners, completely unrelated from the overnight madness of New Year's Eve. Now that's that I've never had anything. I never had three on separate corners. I don't know that I've had two ones, but we had four unrelated. And they won 183rd, Creston, Walton and Jerome Avenue, all within like two square blocks. And that, to me, really drives home the point of how absolutely insane it was. But I gotta say, I worked with amazing, amazing male and female officers in the 46 we had in that one command. Think about parking. Impossible. I used to come in on a bike all the time. On a motorcycle. There's no parking for a car. We had 500. 500 officers assigned to that one building. 501 precinct, one square mile. 500. When I got there in 84 of January, there was maybe 225. When I left the 96th of January, there was 500. So it was unbelievable. There was no lockers, there was no parking. There was no cafeteria. Was nothing but madness and nothing but violence and nothing but radio runs. 30, 40, 50 on a 4 to 12. So it was. It was a real deal. I mean, again, I go back to Death Wish and those movies.

Mike (31:04)

Sounds like it. What was. So you got all that going on. You talked about Giuliani. I know from growing up outside of New York City. I know when Julie Giuliani came in, he flipped a switch and he said, we're done with this crime. What was that? What was that like for you guys as 2200, all this chaos, and you got a guy comes in and says, work done. What was the transition into that hardcore police work like? And how did that. How did that happen?

Pat Brosnan (31:32)

Beyond transformative. Beyond transformative. But I'll give you one quick story to give you context. In 86, before I went into narcotics, I went into narcotics in the 46 as an undercover. I went out on Thanksgiving morning, and my. My premise was if I'm working on a federal holiday, everybody's working. That means the guys down in Central booking, the zeros in arraignment, the zeros down in the courthouse, I'm putting them all to work. So the lieutenant, who I didn't get along with, said, listen, Brosnan, he said, no college today. Said, really? He said, no college today. So. And so officer is making turkey and other officers making eggnog. It was Thanksgiving. I could have cared less. I was eating in the car. I had no interest. I said, yeah, right, Lieutenant, Right. You're right. Sure. So I go out and I'm with my partner, and we. We smash a door down on 182nd and Mars. We lock up 18, 1 8, 18. Just a shooting gallery. Drugs. I think there might have been one little pistol. Not a big collar, but just a lot of volume, a lot of. Lot of drugs, Fair amount Of drugs. You know, individual packets. 18 guys and girls, and I shoot a pit bull. You gotta understand, just for good measure. Yeah, well, he can't charge at me. I hit him with a four cell mag light on the top of his head, but he was a double pit and their heads are like this. And I hit him with the mag light and he went like a cartoon into the corner, scraped his feet on the linoleum, and he was coming at me to take my throat out. And I put six in them. And now he's dead. So the lieutenant was. Was so furious that he actually threw up in the sergeant's room. He started throwing up. And it wasn't just the colony. I told you bros. And I thought, I said, now we had all the paperwork for the pit bulls. So this was the kind of madness that went on. But I had a rule. I'm working Christmas, everyone's working. That's just the way it is. This is the way it is. And that was pretty crazy stuff. But to get back to your question. So when Rudy came, I'll give you an idea. And I remember very well because it came up recently in a brief interview I did with Rudy. I had Rudy on my show. I have a radio show on Saturday mornings on AM called Pat Brosnan live from the Batcave. And I do it 30ft underground in the bat cave, right? So I was reminding Rudy, we came back from Staten island on a fundraiser one evening just before the election. The election was around early November for mayor in 93, so it was just before Halloween, maybe two weeks before. And we stopped, we said, let's stretch our legs. So me, him, and my partner, John Fleming, get out of the van. Another girl that was with us, communications director, stayed in the van, Christine Ladigano. And we take a walk on 42nd street and 8th Avenue, Times Square, which was a movie set for Taxi Driver. I mean, this was insane. I said, rudy, let's, let's take. Because I had to call mayor then. He wasn't mayor. I was calling him. Rudy said, rudy, let's take a walk up the 7th and come down. I want you to see what the cops got to deal with here. This is the real deal. This is Saturday night. This is nine o'. Clock. It's dark. It was warm even though it was October. So we take a walk up and he gets hit on. Nobody hit us because we look like cops out of central cast. And we had, you know, cheesy mustaches. We looked like right out of sin. They didn't go near us. But he was a former U.S. attorney. He had a different look. So they hit him for heroin, for methadone, for speed, coke, weed, prostitution, you know, hairless Portuguese boys, 10 years old. Every amazing vice was slammed on, on the one walk up to seventh and then he got double slam coming down on the south side of the street back to 8th Avenue. We get to the door of the van, he looks at me, he looks at John. We go in the van. I could tell he's furious. He goes, that's all going to end. I said, when you're mayor, it's all up to you. And the first thing he did to your question when he became mayor, one of the first things was he took the handcuffs off the uniform patrolman who had been metaphorically handcuffed from the post nap commission paranoia. Right. Or worried that, hey, the cops on the beat couldn't make a drug arrest because they would be susceptible to getting paid off. This was the crazy thinking. Totally false, by the way. I've never seen it. Rudy took that all the way. He said, uniform cops are to enforce the numbers laws, are to enforce the vice laws, the narcotics laws. And this is the ruling. And that changed the city. That's really what transformed Times Square, transformed Harlem, transformed East New York, transformed the southwest Bronx because the cops were allowed to do their job. Rudy was absolutely amazing.

Mike (36:41)

Yeah, I remember going there as a kid and before he took over when I was young, and then going back years later, I'm like, you know, it's hard to see change in most community. He changed the entire dynamic of that area, like completely overhauled it. It was amazing to see that all the peep show buildings and all that garbage that was going on, I remember he got rid of all that. He just cleaned it up and it was, you know, that's where I look at if you can do it in New York City, good leadership can do it just about anywhere. It can really happen.

Pat Brosnan (37:08)

If you put your mind to it, you're 1000% right. And you nailed it. Because he transformed it from again, a Death wish set with Charles Bronson to Disney World. I mean, I recall down there, my children were very young. I remember going down maybe 95, 96, right after he took over. And not only was it lit up like an emergency room because he put in tremendous lighting through Times Square. It was clean. And when you bumped into somebody, because you got to walk sometimes in the street a little bit because it's just so crowded on the sidewalk, especially around Christmas, which was when this was in the past, when they Bump into you. They pick your pocket, right? Or they tried to, you know, maybe not me, because again, look like a cop. But you know, somebody who didn't look like a cop, they would try to pick you by. That's the way it was now when they bumped into you under Rudy's transition of the city into Disney World. They apologized. It was unbelievable. It was really, really unbelievable. And the horror of it, the absolute criminal side of this is that when that low functioning retard de Blasio came in, he reversed everything. He reversed all the great work that Rudy, that Mike Bloomberg, that Bill Bratton and that Ray Kelly did. All the great work got reversed and then Eric Adams only made it worse. And I can't even begin to think of how bad Matt Damme is going to make it because he, he's just nothing but a terrorist. I mean that guy is a bad bad guy. And he's just warming up now. Don't forget he's only in 90 days. He's got a long time to further destroy us. So, you know, I love the city. Obviously, you know, it's a son of the Bronx, the city. I'm one of the few guys who loves it, warts and all. I go in all the time at offices in there. I work there, I still do, I go in all the time. But the reality is it can really become almost like what's old is new again. To the extent that we can snap back into that time war. Because the bad guys don't go and colonize the moon. Let's be clear. They're always here. And their guns are still here. Because guns work for 200 years, right? Put a rub it with oil, the gun works forever, right. Especially revolvers. So the pistols are here, the bad guys are here. Sometimes it's the children of the bad guys. I've learned bad guys don't age out. They just have another generation of bad guys. So this is scary. Mamdani is terrifying.

Mike (39:32)

Yeah, very.

Justin (39:35)

When so like, so 900 quoted, 900 violent criminals. What separates some of the ones that you'll remember forever versus like the ones that blur, you know, kind of just sure, you know, run of the mill, you know, like what's some of those violent ones that, that really stick out in your mind?

Pat Brosnan (39:54)

So there's always a couple and they kind of fall into either the best cases, the scariest encounters, you know, violent encounter, all the most violent guys. You know, I caught a case and again I was always in a robbery squad. I wasn't in the murder business. I like the stick up guys, I like the kids with the guns. My thing was I would search a hundred cars and cabs a night and then stop counting. And that was every shift and I only did 4-12s and sooner or later we surface a gun. So I, I personally, with my partners probably recovered north of 500 guns. Majority loaded, majority revolvers and semi autos. A few machine guns, not many, they were rare. A few shotguns, and they, they were all violent bad guys and some more than others. I got into it with a guy in a cab who had done about 10 years in Attica, as it turned out, and he was super diesel. I mean, he was, it was, it was a real tough one. And, and I was probably, at the time, I was a powerlift and I was probably 250 and he, he was lighter, but he was, he was really a tough guy. And it kills me because you hate when you're fighting with a guy and you say, oh my God, this guy's at least destroying me. He's actually, you know, he was actually stronger. And we're fighting for his gun. He had a.45 and I had three.38. I always carried three. I carried a Model 10, a Detective Special and a Spurless.38 Ruger, always carry three. And my reasoning for carrying three was two six shots and one five shot. So I had 17 rounds. And the weapon of choice on the street at the time was the glock, which was 16 rounds. And I'm sitting in Supreme Court and this is just a little rabbit hole, but I, I will ultimately get to the answer because that's what the judges used to say to me all the time. Brosnan, you're going somewhere with this, right? You're going to eventually answer it, right? So I'm in front of Judge Steindland, who is Judge Judy of television fame. It's her husband.

Justin (42:00)

Yeah.

Pat Brosnan (42:00)

Jerry Sheindlin. Just through some crazy luck, I was in front of him all the time. I was in front of him for trials. I was in front of him for suppression hearings. I was in front of him for weapons suppression hearings. They're called Huntley's and Wade's. And he took a bit of a shine to me because I was in front of him all the time. So I'm telling him this story and I'm saying, you know, we're fighting for the gun. And, and with brawling and a round goes off and, and next thing you know, I said, I get the gun from him. So I have the four guns. So it's a jury There. So he says, maybe I missed something, Detective. Take me through it. Where's the four guns? Where did the four guns come from? I thought he had a gun. You had a gun. I said, you, Honor, and I hit him with a question. That's what a good sport he was. He let me question him. I said, you, Honor, what's. What's the weapon of choice today? And this was probably early 90s. He said, A 9 millimeter. How many ride how many rounds, you, Honor? And he carried a gun. He had a full carry, and he needed it 15 and one, which, of course, I said, so 16 rounds. So I was carrying two six round, two six shooters and had a five shooter, 17 rounds. He goes, makes sense to me. Carry on, Detective. And that's a true story. And that was a really bad guy. But the worst guys I came across, and probably my. My best case, to the extent that I feel it gave. It was a great case to the extent that it showed how when you go full boat, no matter how long it takes, you can get your guy. And these were really bad guys, the name of Thomas Cross and Felipe Concepcion. And they robbed a bodega on 188th off of Fordham Road, and they shot the stock boy in the forearm. And based on that, I caught that case and I started chasing them down. I learned that they did a few other bodega stick ups. But then I was. I was contacted by a detective up in the 50th Precinct in Riverdale, a quieter section in the Bronx, named Rick Fogarty, who I knew from Narcotics. He said, bro, I think your guys were involved with a triple murder in Riverdale a couple of months back.

Mike (44:09)

So.

Pat Brosnan (44:09)

Whoa. And they were. But there was a survivor, so they went into the wrong apartment. You can't make it up. This is how retarded these guys are. They went into 2B instead of 2C. And inside 2B was an African American woman in her late 30s who was a manager at a local Chase Bank. Meanwhile, they were looking for Colombians because they were doing a drug rip. But this is how idiotic they are. And two young Spanish girls, they laid them on the floor and they executed them point blank in the back of the head. And then they searched the apartment for money. What they didn't learn, they killed. Sue was one of the girls whose name was. I forget her name, but she was a young Spanish girl, very friendly with her because she was my surviving victim. They left their surviving witness when they struck her in the head. And they called it the Miracle of Montefiore. When she went to the hospital, the doctors called it the round, which was a small round of 22, circumnavigated her head like under a ripple of skin and didn't pierce her brain. Never seen it, never heard of it before. But we had a surviving witness. Wow. So that surviving witness and her boyfriend, who was not inappropriately named Crazy, as it turned out, last name was Torres, they became my best buddies. I bolted onto them. I bolted onto them. And I had a van, a custom van, an older van I used to pull motorcycles with all the time with the trailer. And that was my surveillance fan. Didn't look like any police fan. And they were with me night and day and day and night searching for these guys because they. She could identify them as a surviving witness. And Crazy knew them for the street because he was. He was what they called at the time a. A second story man. He was a burglar, a B and B guy, Not. Not a home invasion guy. He would go in, into nice homes, not in the Bronx, like in Westchester and Greenwich, and go in and burglarize the place, right? Take VCRs and stuff. So, yeah, we're searching, search and search. Can't find them. Can't find them. I learned that Thomas Cross was a bit of a lothario, and he had a bunch of girlfriends and identified three of them. And all three had a red heart on their thigh, on the outer flank of their thigh with Tom. Tom on it. Right, playboy. So we learn one of the girls is pregnant, and we go to Union Hospital, myself, my partner Chris. And we put on doctor scrubs or stethoscopes, and we're just playing the role. We figure he's gotta come and see the baby. I mean, who doesn't come and see the baby? He didn't come and see the baby.

Justin (46:52)

Gotta see the baby. Yeah.

Pat Brosnan (46:53)

Yeah, he gotta see the baby. But he didn't come. So the long story short, I go in America's Most Wanted on my birthday. At the time was actually my 30th birthday. I spent it in Washington with John Walsh. And I appealed to the public. I said, these guys are wanted in connection with a triple. With one survivor. They killed a businessman in. In Orderdale, New Jersey. I didn't have that case, but that was another murder. And they had one or two other shooting murders that were not mine. I had the robbery of the bodega where they shot the guy in the army. And I went down and I got a million tips. And amongst the tips, I get a tip that he. It's from his aunt, his mother's sister, that he's in Tennessee. And they were watching, of all things, on February 25, on the 30th birthday, when I did the first air, they were watching. He's watching America's Most Wanted with his aunt and other folks, cousins, I guess his face comes on with Concepcion, Felipe and out the door, grabs his coat, he takes off. So I get this tip. I get on a hook with the special agent in charge in Tennessee. He's, of all things, he's bowling. I said, you got to put your bowling ball down, bro. We have a mass murderer wanted in connection with five confirmed. Five confirmed murders in the Bronx. And he just split out of his aunt's house. And we have a surviving witness prepared to identify. So this guy puts his bowling ball down. They stop buses, they stop trains, they freeze the highway. The whole thing, he gets. Gets out under it, whatever. So we don't. We stay glued to it. So I drag in another girlfriend, and I'm going somewhere with this. And she was engaged to a pro ballplayer who was a good guy. He was about 7ft. He played in. I forget who he played for. Was pro basketball player. I said, listen, bro, I don't want to blow up your engagement with her, but she's been communicating with Thomas. And she sent him $90 in a Valentine's Day card because it was February. I had the Valentine's Day card. And I warned her, that's harboring a fugitive. That's an E felony. You're getting in leg irons. You send him a penny, and you don't tell me where he is, you're going in. So he flips her. We get him on the phone. Long story short, we set up the hotel where he's at. We get him, the FBI gets him. We bring him back. We get Felipe on a roof in northern Connecticut. We bring him back. They go in for 55 years. Guess what they do? They put a $50,000 contract on my life. So I told the captain from Internal affairs, listen, man, I'll kill myself for 50,000. I don't have any money. I said, they don't have to kill me for the 50. I'll take the 50. And that's a true story. They went. They went in for 66. Zero years. And what's funny is I had a bunch of his booking pictures. I had them made up. And about a month ago, a buddy of mine mailed it to me, actually. Sorry. I saw him in. In Florida. He gave it to me, he said, you sent this to us, this picture of Thomas Cross with the numbers for our wedding. When you gave us. At our wedding card, I used to stick the little pictures of Thomas. That's how bad I was. Two years. So I, I have it. Actually, I should show it. I have it in the upstairs office. But that was a great case. You know why they went in for 60? They were bad guys. I, I actually, we had to relocate a bit. My family had to relocate. I had radio calls outside my house where I lived at the time in, In New York. And. And I always said my neighbors wanted to make up neon signs that said, this is pat. Like this way on each side of me. Because it was a lot. Well, there's a radio car up front. And I carried a shotgun. I carried a shotgun and a point and a vision wide radio. Because the feeling was that they put it out to the Latin Kings. And their M.O. was they bumped you on a dark road like the Sawmill Parkway, these different roads, the Bronx river going north. And when you stop to check out who bumped you, they opened fire. So I had a shotgun and my three revolvers. But anyhow, all good clean fun. And, and that's. That's probably the best case, to be honest. That was. That was a great case. Great end to it, you know?

Justin (51:01)

Yeah. Yeah, Mike. And these were the days of no vests, really. He's got these guys robbery unit.

Mike (51:09)

So some of the chat is being funny. We're gonna get. I want to get to some funny stuff. We. We got a little saying around here called distractionary blows. When you kind of. You give them a little here and there. What. What? You know, you're way before body cameras. What was the street level justice like back then with the, with the locals, when you had to go like, you know, guy wants to tell you something around the corner. Guy want. Without getting yourself indicted.

Pat Brosnan (51:35)

Believe me, my attorney checked the statute before I went on your show.

Mike (51:38)

How did the respect. How did that work?

Pat Brosnan (51:43)

We. Okay, I'll give you a perfect example. So there was a guy named. Probably my second best case it was on, was profiled twice on Top Cops with Sonny Grasso was a gang called the Park Avenue Posse. The leader of the posse was a guy named Joey Aponte. Joey Aponte was a mad dog killer. He killed seven people in the Bronx. In our area, in our precinct and bordering precinct, in about 45 days. The Bronx fielded a task force that detected the robbery guys, the homicide guys, and it was all about get Joey. It was wild. So we'll get too long on it because it's complicated. But what comes down to the justice part of it was he had a brother, a fat guy, right? He was a drug dealer. And me and him never got along. I see him in the street all the time. And I said, your brother's mine. You know that, right? You know, he's. I'm gonna take his deed. He's going. He got, I'm. Your brother's mine. I said, fella, man, they go on and on about brazen this bra and that. Finally, my partner winds up killing him in a movie theater. Joey. And in a midday, midday matinee for. Not Friday the 13th, the other one with Freddy. With Freddy Krueger, whatever that one is.

Justin (52:52)

Nightmare on Elm Street.

Pat Brosnan (52:53)

Yeah, Nightmare on Elm street, because the Bronx, the Daily News, had it the other day, and the next day on Friday, they said, nightmare in the Loe's paradise, because that was the theater. And. And Joey got. He bought the farm. And he was such a bad guy. His mother conceded to the press that he needed to be shot. But couldn't they have shot him in the leg? But it's just. Was amazing. So I bump into Fat Boy on the street on a. Off of Fordham Road. I don't know, he was just walking around. I pulled up and. And, you know, he sees me, says, oh, man, you and this and that and this. So I was in plain clothes, and we get into it. This is the street justice. So I'm with my partner. I said, you know what? I'm gonna whip your ass right here. Because he's talking smack. He's saying, you know, I could take you if you have. I said, I got news for you. I said, I'm whip your ass right here. And I had. I had a regular belt with pants, and I had, you know, my Model 10 here. And of course, as you know, a couple of pistols hidden, I keep them on, but I take off my. My gun belt and I hand it to my partner. I didn't destroy him deliberately because it was almost too easy. He was a fat guy. I was in shape. He didn't have a chance. But I gave him a good beat down. And it was in front of a crowd. And I got to tell you, never a complaint. He never made a complaint. I mean, I didn't kick him when he's down. I just outboxed him and got him on the floor and crushed him. But the point was, it was acceptable. Then he was out of hand. I played fair and square. There was no dirty pool. I was a Little concerned. A little bit concerned that CCRB would get it because you really can't fight when you're in uniform, you know, and there should have been an arrest and there wasn't. And I wound up getting him in for four years on a kilo in the back of a cab, I don't know, a month or two later. And he beat it. He got lucky. So he was gloating for a long time, but it was. That's how we would. That's just an unusual example, but, you know, sometimes you just had to deal with it that way.

Mike (54:46)

I'm sure that probably happened quite often. I mean, you know. Yeah, a little bit more. And obviously the respect thing and. And there was a better understanding, I think, on the streets back then when, when the boys in the robbery unit jumped out, it was, we weren't going to run our mouth and throw snowballs at them and do stupid things like that. They were going to be dealt with.

Pat Brosnan (55:09)

No, 100%. And, you know, it's interesting, I have a photo, I. I probably have only 6 or 10 photos of my time in the department, which was north of 14 years, because there was none of this. Right. This was the death of policing. But I have a good one and I. I have six guys against the wall. I'm in uniform, I'm probably 21, and they're right on the edge of a really bad building. But the guys on the far left could have bolted at any time and no one ran. People say, why would they? I was searching for pistols. If I found them with weed or something minor, I would just have them fluff flushing into the sewer. I mean, I wasn't taking them and wasting my time. I was looking for the pistols. The reason they didn't run was they had a kind of a weird, I don't want to say respect, probably combination of fear and apprehension, but also a little bit of street smarts that, listen, we live here. He's here every day, this hump. I see him going by, searching everybody. He's going to get me the next day. And they wouldn't run. And the other thing was, if they did run and if they fought you for a pistol and you had to punch them and knock them out or, you know, during the course to get the pistol, Never made a complaint. You know how many civilian complaints I had with a lot of arrests? Over 900 arrests at 3. 1, 2, 3, 3 civilian complaints. And not one of them was substantiated. And one was for cursing, almost for being discourteous, and one was for force. The point was when I would search guys if they didn't have a pistol, I'd shake their hand, I'd buy them a soda, I'd give them a coffee, I'd laugh, whoop it up, just say, hey man, it's cool. Nothing personal. I said, you know, someone said, you had a pistol, you don't have a pistol. I'm good with it. And, and I also wouldn't make a big deal out of a joint. I would never get involved in that silliness, you know what I mean? And, and it really was not really not respect, but just bizarre. No one could believe, especially the internal affairs guys, that I didn't have a mountain of complaints because of all the interactions. But I knew how to deal with people because it was not personal. It was never personal. They didn't rob my mother, you know what I mean? They didn't put a gun to my daughter's head. It was just, I said, it's not personal. Don't carry a pistol. Yeah, right.

Mike (57:20)

That's the street. That's that. And, and I didn't work at a massive area like that, but that's that street level cat and mouse respect game. That's hard to explain to people that haven't ever done it. Like there's just a give and take. They know your job. It's not today where everybody's screaming and throwing stuff and acting like morons because you can't do anything anymore, but you had that. What I see is mutual respect amongst the community, that he's doing his job, we're doing ours. And if we do anything but what he says, eventually it's going to be really bad for us at some point.

Pat Brosnan (57:50)

Absolutely. And if you, conversely, if you don't, I mean, it was used to be funny, I, I would lock guys up on overtime. Right. I was an overtime animal because, you know, no one's overpaid in, in the NYPD anyhow. And I always had a rule when I locked the guy up, I would always try to get in a workout. We had a great gym downstairs and I try to get in on overtime because you're never going to better pump than if you were making the overtime rate. And I would take the prisoner with me because no one's watching your prisoner, let's be clear. That's just on tv. Nobody says, hey man, I'm cool. You go catch a two hour workout and I'm going to keep an eye on your prison. I'm going to feed them and take them to the head. No One does that. No partner might. And I would take them down. I would cuff them to the crossover cable machine to the base of it. I get him a soda, I get him a sandwich. I'd give them the daily news and I would do a full two hour workout with cardio, I swear to God. And they would pat this. Hey, pat, pat this, you know, Jose this because it was never personal, never. And I never smacked them once they started then I did. I used continual force. I just didn't. Because it wasn't personal. I didn't know them. I had nothing to get. You want to carry a gun? Well, you can't carry a gun. I'm going to take it. And you might do a bullet, maybe six months on Rikers, you know, you're not going to go away for 10 years for it. So it was, it was, it was, it always worked for me. I just didn't, I didn't hate them. I honestly, I honestly didn't, I didn't have, I didn't even know them. And I found workouts was great. I get a full workout in, I do it at 50 or 70 an hour and overtime. They were happy, they were eating, reading the paper. I, I'd never, maybe I gave like a two pound dumbbell because I couldn't have them throw something at me and it, it would just made it less likely they were going to try to run on me because let me tell you, speed was not my strength. When I got them I could only. But if they ran, I was going to lose a prisoner. And I knew that. And that's why I carried leg irons. I always carried leg ons, always, always, always, always, you know, and I actually found them. They're around here somewhere. I did find them, God help me, while I was looking for them the other day. But I do have them and you know, I just, I, that was just, that's just my operations. And even the 4 6, a lot of tough guys, lot of tough females. Be honest, I never saw, ever saw indiscriminate brutality. I just didn't, it was just, hey listen, these active guys were very aggressive. We're very proactive. You guys are doing the wrong thing. You're going to go down to central book and you're going to go to night court. You're going to be arraigned, you're going to stand in front of a judge and guess what, you're getting out. I mean I wouldn't tell them that, but the city was again back to a movie, bonfire, the vanities, the Judges couldn't wait to get them off the docket and get right out. No one stayed in. I saw a guy, 500 pounds of weed. 5, 500 pounds. It wasn't my collar, but I remember coming in. It was hefty bags, but they were in garbage, big plastic garbage containers. So. Wow, 500 pounds of weed. You guys got to do a dime that, right? 90 days and a fine.

Mike (60:51)

There you go.

Pat Brosnan (60:52)

They couldn't get rid of it quick enough. The Bronx judges just cycle them through the system, put them in the Bronx house of detention, give him a fine, and move on. Who cares about weed? I said all right. I mean, I didn't care. I was in the robbery squad. It wasn't my business.

Mike (61:06)

Pat, how much time do you have for us today? I know you got something after this.

Pat Brosnan (61:11)

I'm. I'm cool. Yeah, listen, this is fun. I. I can hang another 15, 20 minutes. Listen, I'm going to the dentist, so I'm trying to delay it. So you guys are doing me a favor.

Mike (61:20)

You know, we got like a minute and a half video in the middle. We got to run for our sponsor, and we'll be right back after that.

Pat Brosnan (61:25)

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, guys. I'm here, man.

Mike (61:27)

Yep.

Justin (61:32)

Oh, it's not on my. It's not on on. It's not on this board.

Mike (61:37)

No way.

Justin (61:38)

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Mike (63:13)

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Mike (65:01)

You were taking notes on those questions, right? Just. You want to hit him with some of the questions the chat had before he's got to go.

Justin (65:06)

Yeah, yeah, the chat. Well, let me show, let me show this one video. The chat brought up. The, the bomber that was in front of. Is that Mandami's house or where they were? I'm gonna bring this up, add it to the stage. Show this. There's a video. I muted it. That way we could kind of talk over it. I, I liked how the guys did some work. Like he shoved that leg out there. Hyperextended. I mean, you got, you got a chief right there, right. You got a two star, I think going, jumping the fence. So you got, you got the whole crew and, and I'm proud of the boys and girls for, for getting out there and, and really, you know, converging on this guy and not just like letting him get, get out of there. So just kind of let it roll. But, but yeah, that's kind of one of those things. Who's the crew that's out there in front of the mansion or the, the, the brownstone where they're at?

Pat Brosnan (66:05)

So various. There's officers from the command assigned to Gracie Mansion. You know, there's also Hercules officers They always on standby. They're the counterterrorism guys out of the Joint Terrorist Task Force, which is why there was a two star there. And I listen, I don't know him. I love seeing the tape of him vaulting the barricade and the sergeant running. But to be very frank, and I salute them all, they did an amazing job, right? The officer who, to your point, shoves off with his right foot and takes him down with a classic tackle. I don't know his name. And we need to know his name because this is another example of the unheralded heroes granted a two star. Fantastic. I guarantee there's no other two star that would have done that that I know of or likely. But let me tell you, who was the guy who actually took them down? Because these guys had some wicked, wicked, wicked mother of Satan witches concoction wrapped with probably 100 bolts. And, you know, I gave the analogy, I was on Fox, of a Benelli Marine Corps shotgun, which I think is the most devastating weapon around, right? It lets eight.33 caliber rounds go. I said if those two improvised explosive devices had detonated that day, right, it would have been like four or six guys in a circle 360 with Benelli's opening fire and unleashing hell. That's how bad it would have been. It would have cut people in half like the Boston Marathon. Terrifying.

Justin (67:41)

To your point? To your point. An account that I've followed for a long time. They make some good swag off duty outfitters out of nypd. They're, I think they're active guys on the job, but they, you know, are behind this account. They said that Officer Grant.

Mike (67:57)

Pull.

Justin (67:58)

Pull. Garen ran towards a terrorist who had already thrown two explosive devices, knowing full well the suspect could have been wearing secondary explosive. There's no guarantee of safety, no time to calculate risk, and no certainty. He still didn't hesitate. He tackled him head on, fully aware that it could cost his life. And, you know, I'm briefly given the statement, so, I mean, that's from an IG account or an Instagram account by some, some officers. But, yeah, like, to your point, it's not in the news. You know, they, they didn't do a, a show and tell, giving them an award for, for heroism and stuff. But, you know, these guys aren't out there to get that award for heroism. They're out there to get the job done, you know, to protect the people that are out there. Not just the mayor, but the people that are out there.

Pat Brosnan (68:45)

A thousand percent. No, a Thousand percent, Justin. The fact is I just learned that now from, from you, from the IG account because it was not articulated or socialized in any of the mainstream news media feeds. And I know only because I was on Fox and Newsmax extensively, obviously it was a really, really big, terrifying incident. First I heard his name. Thank you. Please.

Justin (69:11)

I'll send you the, I'll send you the, the post that they made off duty outfitters, some friends of mine up there in New York.

Pat Brosnan (69:19)

Beautiful.

Justin (69:20)

So, you know, giving them, giving the, giving that officer some props and then everybody else, I mean they're all, they all didn't look like there was a question in their mind about what they were doing. Somebody just said, go. And they went, so, you know, good on them. One of the other questions comes from dude, Duder. And it said, you know, what was your experience with 911, you know, during. And then. And then post, you know, going forward.

Pat Brosnan (69:47)

Great question. I had retired in 96, inexplicably on Valentine's Day. So I was already out. But I had my business at the time. And I went down about two hours after the second tire went down. I went down on the pearl white Fat Boy, Fat Boy Holly brand new bike I had. And when I got there, I was only able to get into the city because I had police id. So I was able to get through all the, all the checkpoints to enter what they called at the time the frozen area because it was completely frozen around ground zero. And when I got there, my bike was black, completely black, was black for a long time. And I met with a client and we started operations at 4pm 1600 hours that day, protecting Gateway Plaza, which is a 2000 unit multi building residential set of series of buildings about 100ft southwest of the old South Tower, maybe 200ft in fact, Commissioner Ray Kelly lived in that building. And we were there for four months around the clock with 32 guys and girls, 64 actually. We had two shifts, 12 hour shifts. And it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. It was roasting, roasting, roasting hot. The fires raged for weeks. We were constantly filthy. It was unbelievable. But the great thing I take away from it is I saw so much unity between humans. I saw no racial discrimination, no sexual discrimination, no sex discrimination. Everybody was unified. Everybody was on a common mission on the bucket brigade, which I was on as well, to move forward on the mission. And at first it was search and rescue, then it was recovery, off to the Staten island, right with the remains. It was horrible. From the first minute when I got There, which was probably one in the afternoon. And it was one of those horrible events that kept getting worse as the facts came in, as bodies were recovered. And it was really like what I've always imagined from just books and medieval readings and stuff to be almost like what hell would be like. Dante's hell, because it raged at night, the fires rage in the holes. It was like unending and roasting, roasting, roasting, roasting hot. Yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was horrible.

Mike (72:18)

Horrible.

Pat Brosnan (72:20)

Yeah. And we navigated around there on golf kind of quads. You know, I ditched my bike. I mean, that was my way to get home. And we stayed down there. We stayed in Gateway. We opened a satellite office there that evening. We had airbags, air mattresses, and we had two apartments linked, and that's where we slept and ate meals and stuff and kind of deployed out of there as a staging area. And then we got around on quads, you know, throughout the frozen area. It was really. The word that leaps to mind, guys, is it was surreal. It was surreal and it kept getting more surreal. It was, wow, something else.

Justin (73:00)

Sheesh. Yeah, no, I mean it's, it's got to be, it's got to be super crazy with that. One of the other questions coming in. Ja. Just asked. I will transition a little bit out of it with. But back to your, the, the drone related company. You got World cup coming up this summer, the whole United States and then you've got Canada and Mexico as well joining in. So you got a lot of security and fears obviously for drone type issues coming up. You guys got a lot of prep going in?

Pat Brosnan (73:35)

Yeah, we do. We've submitted proposals for that work in both locations through our partners. And the probability is extremely high that we will be positioned there with our technology and our defense technology, both the counter drone identification detection and mitigation, and I only briefly touched on the mitigation. I'll give you a snapshot on it. We have the capability to deploy from our interceptor drone, which are much bigger drone, a Kevlar net that captures the drone, captures the drone and then it releases a little parachute so the drone goes down slow and doesn't hit some lady walking her poodle on Lexington Avenue, you know, so it's, it's all about safety and security of getting the drone down to shoot them down. People say, oh, shoot them down. Just deactivate them with different ways. Electronic. Yeah, but what happens when the drone falls out of the sky and it hits in person? So. Yeah, but the, you know, the, the long Answer is that yes, we'll be there. And. And at the 250th and other locations as well.

Mike (74:40)

I got a question. Do you. Having been at 911 and then to see what is now elected and going on with the government of the city, does. How does that. How does that make you feel?

Pat Brosnan (74:53)

Terrific.

Mike (74:54)

A lot of. I see a lot of memes that say, if you would have shown everybody on 91201 that a Muslim socialist was running New York City, the people at 911 would have lost their mind. Well, you were there. So how do you feel right now to see what we've done and what has been elected and the way the city is going to, after what we experienced,

Pat Brosnan (75:15)

discussed it. It's reprehensible. It's symptomatic and symbolic in my view, of a disenfranchised youth in the city who put Mamdami in his role. But the fact that his father's best friend, his de facto uncle, was an unindicted co conspirator on the attacks on the towers, which many people have forgotten on February 26, 1993, where six Americans were murdered and hundreds went to the hospital, critical. An unindicted co conspirator. And the comments that his wife and his mother have made, Mandamis, are beyond reprehensible. They sicken me to the core. Had that ever been mentioned on the 12th, first of all, no one would even in their worst raging, screaming at the middle of the night nightmare, have envisioned this. But it's here and it's terrifying. It's terrifying. What?

Mike (76:14)

I wanted to go that too. I remember right after 93 happened. For those who know, there was a bombing in the World Trade Center. What was the. You were working then, correct?

Pat Brosnan (76:22)

I was, yeah. Yeah, it was. It was actually my birthday.

Justin (76:27)

Your birthday?

Pat Brosnan (76:28)

You're. I'm a damn birthday again. Between Thomas Cross and the bombing. Yeah, I was in my lawyer's office office. We had a small investigations business while I was there called Sherlock. And we were just kind of setting up the office and I was with three buddies of mine from the Robbery squad and we just absolutely couldn't believe it. But there was, even though Ray Kelly kept ringing the fire alarms about it, that they're not done with us. This is part of a broader strategic and tactical plan. There was not a plan. It was nothing like 9 11. There was no enormous response other than the emergency response. There was no protracted response. There was, to my knowledge, and I was active duty. We were never assigned. We were never. And Had I been still active on 9 11, I'm certain myself and all my detective partners and police officer partners and bosses would have been assigned down there in rotating shifts at 12 hours. So that one was vastly underrated in terms of the broader picture in my opinion and in Commissioner Kelly's opinion, who I've had on my radio show two separate times and we discussed that. But he's a smart cookie. He's a smart cookie.

Mike (77:39)

That's why they drove a U Hauls right into the parking garage of the World Trade center and tried to essentially 93. They detonated them in the base or basement or in the garage.

Justin (77:52)

Yeah, yep.

Pat Brosnan (77:53)

The underground garage under the South Tower. Yeah. And again, I wasn't, that I wasn't assigned to and I didn't go down there. The 911 was much, much closer because I was down there in the capacity as a, as a civilian assisting with the cleanup, search and rescue to the extent that we could. And also I was there because we were protecting clients, portfolio assets, property and people tangential to the building. I mean, a couple hundred feet away. We had a few clients there. So I was there a lot there for a long time. I was very sick. Very, very, very lucky that I didn't get seriously sick. Many, many people have died since. More have died subsequent than have died at the tower when the towers went down.

Justin (78:38)

Yeah. Due to related cancers and other. And other breathing issues and stuff. Yeah, the. Oh, big time.

Mike (78:46)

And then you see like. And to continue off the first point, you see like Newark raising a, a Muslim flag and all that stuff and it continues like what, how, how does that make you feel? Like for those, you know, I'm sure you still have people somewhat connected, probably older, most retired, maybe some kids. But for that area of the country to see that happening and to have that going on, what, what is your thought to those men and women that have to still, you know, police up there and deal with that?

Pat Brosnan (79:12)

It's, it's, it's really the, the emotion that gets me is it's sickening, it's disgusting. But it's also sad. It's sad that our memories are so short. We're coming up on the quarter century, right. In six short months, five and a half months, we will be celebrating, not celebrating, memorializing symbolically the 25th year anniversary of, of the murders down at the towers and the melting of the towers. And to think that our memories are so short that we're allowing for this madness to continue to perpetuate and to continue to metastasize is Really a very sad commentary on youth, in my view, mostly, who just really don't care what happened then. That's something that happened a long time ago and it can never be forgotten. And I know that's a mantra. Never forget, never forget, never forget, right. It's like, see something, say something. It becomes a little bit trite, but it's not. You can never forget. I mean, I still go down to ground zero. I go down to the memorial whenever I'm in town or when I could get down that way. And you got to keep it top of mind.

Mike (80:22)

And I just thought about that. We're gonna have the 25th anniversary with Mandami down there doing, talking about the. The incident. Like Trump will be there, obviously. But to think that, that we've come this far, that this guy who's making cops pray and do the religion thing, he's going to be the guy in charge of the city to talk about a terrorist attack, the worst terrorist attack in the history of our nation. That is like, you just said that. And that pops in my head and I think, what a, what a shit

Pat Brosnan (80:50)

show that is, you know, Two days before his election, I was asked on Fox, what do you think about this guy maybe three days before? I said, he's a rattlesnake. He's extremely dangerous. He's young, he's charismatic, he has a following. He is a master manipulator. He is so bad. He is so bad. I said that he makes de Blasio look like Winston Churchill and he makes David Dinkins look like Mother Teresa. Because you got to give context of the other horrific leaders. Dinkins was horrific, terrific. The city burned under his watch. And de Blasio was nothing short of an anarchist with his wife. I mean, he was looking to burn the city down. But he's so bad, comparatively. Pam, Tammy, I think of Winston Churchill and I think. And Rudy Giuliani shares this with me, and he has shared it on my show twice. He's been on a couple times. I said, how bad, Mayor? How bad is this guy, this rattlesnake? And he said, pat, he's fatal. He will be fatal to the greatest city, greatest city in the world. And I hope he's wrong. And I said that. I hope you're wrong on that, Mayor, but I fear you're not.

Mike (82:06)

And somebody said, you know, take the race and all that out of it. He ran on this socialist platform, free transportation, free. This, the same thing they always run on. In his first third 90, he's already increase the price of Transportation. He's going into the teachers inert, like teachers fund for money. He's telling her. So everything he ran on, he's already fallen apart and it's been months.

Pat Brosnan (82:30)

So he's a typical, he's a typical politician in that regard. Right. He just feeds you a line of garbage. And then when once, once he gets the keys to the city, he just does what he wants. He doesn't fulfill any of his promises. Unlike our great president who does the opposite. Opposite completes everything that he promised. But there is something critical to understand. And folks who've been around the mayor, as I was with Rudy, is there's a city council and you have to have a majority. And the majority is 26. Right. 52. You need 27. And he doesn't have that many fawning sycophants who are marching to his twisted drumbeat based on public records and publicly available data that I've been able to uncover. So he doesn't have them yet on his team sufficient to, to really, to implement this wicked, evil radical agenda. The stuff he was talking about was, it was so over the top. But that's not to say, guys, we're only 90 days in. He's got a lot of time to, you know, to incentivize, intoxicate, indoctrinate folks on, on the city council to his way of thinking. And that's the fear that he will be able to, because he, he is, he is a, a very, very convincing and manipulative speaker.

Mike (83:50)

Yeah. I mean, for a young crowd, this new generation that doesn't understand that people have to pay for things and that all these programs, money, if you listen to him talk, you're like, well, hell, I want all that for free. I'm just, I'm gonna vote for this guy. Like it sounds good when you're hearing it, but then when you actually have to fund it and hard working Americans have to pay taxes to fund it, it doesn't usually work out as smooth as it sounds.

Pat Brosnan (84:15)

Absolutely not. So we're keeping our fingers crossed that that's just pie in the sky. But he, he has been able, if you think about it, he's been able to pull off a tremendous feat by getting the keys to the kingdom. I mean, he's the mayor of New York City. It's a big deal. That's a big, big deal.

Mike (84:34)

Yep.

Justin (84:38)

One, one of the, I guess one last or whatever. In behind you, you've got a military order, the Purple Heart. One of the guys was asking.

Pat Brosnan (84:45)

Yes.

Justin (84:46)

That came over your shoulder.

Pat Brosnan (84:48)

I I was injured in the line of duty and I received that from the Military Order Purple Heart at a ceremony up in the Bronx. You know, I was pretty, not super uncommon. It was pretty relatively common for guys who got hurt, you know, as civilians. Well, as para paramilitary. Swan Swan active duty NYPD members. They did generate them once. Once, once a year. And you know, thank you. Yeah, it was a very meaningful recognition.

Justin (85:19)

Yeah, well, not cool that you got injured in the line of duty, but a nice, a nice recognition for, for this accident. Sacrifice.

Pat Brosnan (85:26)

Yeah, no, and a terrific bunch, you know. And, and, and I was for a while I was the president of. Co founder and president of New York State Shields. New York State Shields started in 89 in November. Just give you a quick thumbnail, which is why I had relationships with other organizations with my, my radio co partner John Fleming. We started with 80, 80 members in VFW and Yonkers. And when I stepped down in 95, we had 7,000 members. And it's still probably the largest fraternal group. And I was able to make tremendous relationships, contacts, colleagues and friends with that organization. And that organization would be all about recognizing the behavior that you pointed out with that officer whose name you mentioned. We would bring him up and give him a check and a beautiful award at a beautiful dinner. And we did it monthly, the first Tuesday, 10 months a year, not in the summer, up in the northwest Bronx called the New York State Shields, which is by the way, how we had Rudy as our first man of the year in 93. And that's kind of started our relationship as well in some way. 92. So those organizations are critical to supporting the esprit de corps of the officers in the field. We very rarely honored bosses unless they were exceptional like that two star. We honored the guys who were sleeping in central booking on the tile processing guys at arraignment, sleeping in the courthouse, waiting to process the prisoners out to Rikers in the Bronx house. Those were the guys we were interested in because I was one of them.

Mike (86:59)

We call those the 99 centers here in our like anti hero family. Those are the guys that do 99 of the work. They're just the regular guys.

Pat Brosnan (87:07)

Yeah.

Mike (87:08)

Nothing special about them other than their heroes. But they don't get the recognition everybody else does because they just call it the Red, you know, the regular police network.

Justin (87:16)

The regular guys just doing the job. Just doing.

Mike (87:18)

That's our, that's our people are the guys that are the presenters.

Pat Brosnan (87:21)

You absolutely nailed it. And it's funny because my partner John Fleming used To say, I used to say, I think 10% of the job does the work. You know, I mean, the work to me was not taking cats out of trees and crossing streets with old ladies. It was locking up bad guys, putting them way up to Attica. And he always argued, and I have conceded that he was right. Fewer than 5%. So to your 99% rule, it was fewer than 5% doing 99% of work. And those were the only guys that we were interested in recognizing and acknowledging no interest at all. And hey, the guy's a great boss or this guy did something else. I wanted those guys, the guys that you referenced. And that was our operate, our operating mantra at the shields, which was a pretty, pretty solid organization, I gotta say. It really did some good stuff. So I'm with you. We're, we're directly aligned in, in that. And you know, when we first spoke, you mentioned that analogy with, as it relates to the military and it stuck to me, you know, and then I, I realize, you know, that that's absolutely spot on.

Mike (88:29)

I always get the questions about law enforcement and everybody wants, I want to do this, I want to do that. I always tell them, and I'm sure you're going to agree, but you were in a really cool unit. But at the, at the core, we have to have hard charging young cops coming through the ranks that just want to do patrol. Learn that job. That is the most important function. You'll be a detective one day, you'll be sergeant one day. But every time you go do detective, you're going to probably come back to patrol. And that's where the real grind happens. That's where the real, you know, the stories are made. That's where the most important job is that core law enforcement. Everybody goes, oh, you're just a patrol guy. No, you are a patrol guy. You are the most important function in this entire entity.

Pat Brosnan (89:12)

You nailed it. You couldn't put it better. It's interesting because I've been saying the almost the exact same thing. It's the, the unheralded patrolman. He's walking the midnight shift, frozen solid, sweeping rain, freezing cold. His feet are cold. And he turns a corner and there's a stick up of a cab. And now he's in the middle of it, he's thrown into it, right? They say years of boredom or hours of boredom, I forget the analogy. And then moments of sheer terror. And those are the real heroes and those are the folks that we were extremely interested in identifying and recognizing their achievements at the New York State shields. And that to me was the absolute, absolute most important thing is because no one, no one cared. They're out there grinding it away. But they're the front line. And you're right, you got to go through patrol. Patrol's where it's happening. Especially in the heavy commands. But not to discount the light commands either because crime can surface anywhere. And I say that all the time. Whenever I have an opportunity to bloviate, to mention to younger officers, I say, listen, put your head on a swivel. Trust no one. Triple check, don't double check. And grow eyes. Not just in the back of your head, grow eyes in the side of your head, bro. Watch everyone. Trust no one. Sit facing the door. Search every. I mean this is. I'm still that way. I mean I have gone, not gone into a restaurant in 40 years. Wait on, sit facing the door. I don't leave the house in this country, out of overseas. I can't. In any of these 50 states, anytime you see me, including the beach, carrying airweight, 357, 11 ounce, six shot, doesn't matter. I'm the only guy left in America wearing a fanny pack. But let me tell you, in that fanny pack is a little 11 ounces of special treat for anybody who wants to be a little special treat, you know, but it's true. I mean, listen, you know, you get guys, you know, and it's important that they get it. You know, you're in a very quiet command that's not so much New York, because New York's nuts, but could be. Look, look at the Catalina foothills. No one wants to say it and I don't want to go down the rabbit hole with this with you guys because I respect your time and I'm super appreciative of being allowed to join. But I would like to discuss that because there is a big secret that no one wants to articulate. I did broach it recently on Newsmax because I'm tired of no one facing it head on. I like to say what no one else will say. The sad reality is when you live personally, say Guthrie, the mom lived, she lived in an affluent area, multimillion dollar homes, very nice, beautiful spot in the Catalina foothills. Those officers. And forget the low functioning knucklehead masquerading as the sheriff, that guy is useless. But they're appointees. That's a.

Mike (92:03)

That.

Pat Brosnan (92:04)

We'll just cast them aside. But the other detectives, the other officers are probably fantastic people, super people, dedicated to protect and serve, trying everything they can. But they have no experience. The reason they have no experience, and this is the supreme irony that I'm is because there's no action. How do you know how to investigate a homicide unless there's homicides? So if there's no homicides, you only know what you see on tv. You only know what you can Google. Right. If there's no armed robberies or we don't know what that crime is yet, is it a burglary, a robbery, armed robbery, a home invasion, an abduction? No one knows. I don't know anyhow what the hell happened. But if you've never done it, if you've never investigated it, how would you know how to solve it?

Mike (92:47)

Yeah.

Pat Brosnan (92:47)

And that to me is the supreme irony of law enforcement in super. Not super. In affluent, super low crime areas. And I've seen it time and time and time again.

Mike (93:00)

Yeah. Would you agree this is how I, this is my analogy is there, there are things that just can't be taught in a book and there are feelings. And I worked a couple homicides. I wasn't nothing near what you did, but I worked a few homicides, worked some drug cases, pretty big ones. You just got like, you get a feeling. Like you get this feeling and you kind of. The book doesn't matter. It's your, your feeling goes, I've done this before, I felt this before. I think I should do this. And without, I get into like car chases. Use the same analogy. If an agency never chases a car, ever, what happens when the little kid gets kidnapped and now they have to chase a car? They have nothing to reference.

Pat Brosnan (93:35)

Difference.

Mike (93:35)

So do you get that same thing, like there's just a, like an unteachable type feeling from working that type of crime that starts to take over the investigation 1,000%.

Pat Brosnan (93:47)

And I think that's called collective wisdom. Or, and, and it could be married to its first cousin, collective nuance. But what it really is, is you've done it before, you've seen it before, you smelled it before, like a wolf, you sensed it before, you've done it before. And as a result of that, you are much more susceptible to, in my view, to identify clues that would maybe not surface if you didn't do it before. And I saw that, you know, I learned, you know, relatively quickly, I suppose, how to study people's gait. This was something I was, I took very serious and I studied it, by the way, I studied it. I interviewed guys were 15 years older than me. One guy in particular, Bobby Gallagher, who was known as Bobby Guns. He was the legend And I made it my business to find out where he was. Introduced myself, and I was a kid. He might have been 20 years old. I was probably 24. I said, teach me. When a guy's walking, what am I looking for? Well, you're looking for a shift in the gate. If he's carrying a shoulder rake, his arm's going to move this way, if he's running, he's going to. All of these clues helped build my. My portfolio, right. My business portfolio. Unidentifying guys. And also aided me tremendously in being able to articulate in a court. So the gun didn't get suppressed, so the guy didn't get acquitted, and he didn't get a. No, no. True bill on the grand jury. And actually at the end, you know, maybe 10 or 12 years in, I actually became recognized as a subject matter expertise, worker on Karen. You know, it's a weird thing, right? It's like identical. Beekeeper. Right? What the hell does it mean? Well, it meant a lot because it was. It was about being able to convince the court and the training syllabuses in the academy on methodologies to identify when someone's wearing a gun. We don't know if it's illegal. Could be a guy who has a full carry, could be a cop. But you want to be able to notice that. And I still notice it. I still spot guns, you know, every so often, and it drives me crazy. I can't toss them. But, you know, that's. That ship is fast.

Mike (95:55)

Nick introduces. And I'll be honest, when you get into the podcasting world, I'm sure you get interviews. You hear, oh, we got an old guy. Guy was a New York cop. He was in your life. And then we. As soon as I spoke to you, I look, I remember looking at tire like. And everybody in the chat said, like, this is the guy. Like, this dude did all the work. He knows what he's talking about. He's got it. And that is something, I think when you have. You get around a couple other guys and you're like, yeah, this guy, it's not fluff. It's not. You got the it thing. And I think that was.

Pat Brosnan (96:23)

Thank you.

Mike (96:24)

Robbery. You got robbery experience in New York PD not just. I walked around the be. I didn't do it. And I was immediately drawn into, like, what you're talking about. I think the chat is as well. Like, they're really impressed. We appreciate it so much like this.

Pat Brosnan (96:36)

Thank you. You've got my pleasure. Yeah, thank you. You know, it's it's, it was a good run. I had a great run. I learned a lot. I worked with amazing men and women who were very proactive at great district attorneys who taught me the law and to make sure that it stuck because it wasn't worth it to me to just get a pistol off a guy and melt it down. And then he walks and he goes, gets another gun for 150 and then some lady on the corner. And I used to, and I'll leave you on this, guys, you'll like this one. Once I learned that, I didn't know it, but when I became aware that I could go into a grand jury when they let a guy walk, I never, I didn't notice till about mid career. Know how the hell I learned it? I used to pick the DA's brains like I picked the robbery guy, Bobby Gallagher. I said, can I go in for last licks? If somebody lets someone walk on a pistol that I grab and they let him walk because they say, hey man, we believe it. Even though he never reported, he was probably a victim of a bunch of robberies like he said, which of course was nonsense because he would have reported it and I would go in and scold him and it gave me pleasure. It meant nothing to anybody but Pat, I go, and you guys feel good, right? I got last licks. I'd come In, I'd say, 16 grand jurors in the Bronx, let's say they didn't know who I was because I. Well, they did because I had to testify. So they did know me. I come in at the end after they voted no. True Bill. I say, you guys feel good about this, right? You feel good, man, you feel good about you live in the Bronx. I live in the Bronx too, man. I live in the Bronx, I'm not gonna tell you where, but I tell you, I live in the Bronx too. Been here for 34 years. You feel good. You're a young lady, you probably have a few babies. Let me tell you, you released that guy, he's going to get another pistol. He was never the victim of a robbery that he didn't report. And certainly not 10 of them. He hasn't been pistol whipped like he said. And that's why he got the gun, for protection. He's a stick up guy, he's a shooter. And shame on you. Shame, shame, shame. Swear to God, the DA's used to think I was just nuts. I mean, because, because it, nobody cared but me. But I gotta, I gotta, I gotta rise out of it, man. You know, to me, it was worth it. So I got to scold the grand jury, whatever that's worth.

Mike (98:36)

We'll get you out of here. We got one last question and we're get you out of here. Would you ever run for New York City mayor?

Pat Brosnan (98:44)

No, I, I don't think I would. I think it's, I think it's, I hate to say it because I'm, I'm really very optimistic guy. I think it would be extremely difficult for a guy like myself with my background. Background, my ethnicity, my history in the street, my, my, you know, my career in the NYPD as well as private career. I think I, it would be an impossible lift. And I think they'd be lined up. I would be almost the Antichrist to come in. And it's a shame because I, I, I wouldn't mind. You know, I always wanted to help, and it's beyond help. But listen, I think another Rudy could surface. I do ask Rudy this, is there another Assistant U.S. attorney or U.S. attorney Bureau Chief or some DOJ person who could come in and clean this place up? Because it's a shame to see the destruction and chaos and devolution, right? The degrading of such a great city. It's the greatest city in history. I mean, you don't have to love it, but you still got to recognize it. You know, it's, you can get pizza at 3 in the morning, which is the best pizza in the world. You know, you can, you know, you get.

Justin (99:52)

We've done it.

Pat Brosnan (99:53)

Yeah, right. I know. Everything's open all the time. You know, there's no crime. That's nonsense. There's a couple of junkies shooting dope outside the Garden. There's some homeless knucklehead. You're not going to give you a hard time, you know.

Justin (100:03)

Yeah.

Pat Brosnan (100:04)

You know what we used to do when I leave you in the business in bronze and security? We, we had vans, multiple vans, maybe 10 or 15 vans with retired lieutenants and sergeants all always that rank. And we would just remove the homeless from the, from the ATM lobbies of the TD banks and Citibanks and Chase too, but mostly TD and City. And we come in, some bum would be set up, sprawled out, and he'd be plugged into the power with his laptop. You can't make it up. And I say, this is a New York story. And we take them out, rotate them through the system, and they'd be back 24 hours later. And that's New York for you guys. This, this was a pleasure. I'd love to stay two more hours because I have a dentist appointment and I'll do anything.

Mike (100:49)

No, tell everybody we'll get you out of here because we're going to wrap it up on our own. But tell everybody where to find you, how they can get in touch with you on your social.

Pat Brosnan (100:55)

Absolutely, absolutely. Hey, folks, you, you can reach. Well, you can find me at 9am from 9 to 10am on AM970 under Pat Brosnan live from the Batcave. And it truly is a bat Cave. It's 30ft underground under a nondescript building somewhere in Gotham. If you missed the show, it's 9 to 10 Eastern time. You can catch us on a global podcast. Run all the social media aggregators who are on iHeart and Rumble and YouTube and check us out. We, we do some good stuff. I get some great guests. I'm certain I'm gonna have these gentlemen on. I'm hoping to have you guys on and we'll reverse the seats. And that's where you can find me, live from the Batcave. Thank you so much, guys.

Mike (101:39)

Thank you.

Pat Brosnan (101:41)

Thank you. All the best.

Justin (101:45)

Yeah, that was awesome, man. Yeah. As the chat said, he is great. One of the things that I queued up. Are you, are you leaving? You got to go take a piss or something?

Mike (101:52)

No, I'm good. Let's go.

Justin (101:53)

One of the things I was gonna, one of the things I was gonna bring up when, when you guys were talking about, you know, if you work in a small city, you got a small place like that that, you know, you're not getting that kind of experience. We mentioned it at the beginning of the show. We'll bring up Justice X Academy training opportunities for officers, especially if you're that type of officer that's not getting the information or not getting the experience through your job. There's all kinds of different presenters, there's interdiction guys. You know, if you're, if you're not in an area that, that runs an interdiction type team or squad or canine, stuff like that, learn about it. And then you may actually learn about it. Make some connections with other agencies and you can move on from your agency that maybe you don't get that kind of experience or that kind of running around. It's a, it's, it's a place that got you the job, got you certified. But, you know, maybe it's time you've got niche, you've got something that you want to, you know, you want to affect in your career. You want to do, you know, justice, sex Conference in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, might be a place to. To get that started. And it's runs from the 21st. The graphic that shows on the screen the 21st to the 24th. All kinds of classes. That's the schedule that Kenny put out. And Counterculture Anti Hero is going to be running Anti Hero broadcast through while. While you guys are there, I'll be behind the computer, hopefully assisting. And then Counterculture is going to do some live stuff, and we're going to be meeting and greeting and saying, what's up?

Mike (103:26)

Yeah, we'll have a booth merch, live streaming during the event. Probably have to pop out while they're doing the classes, obviously, but that 20.

Pat Brosnan (103:33)

What's the 23rd is Wednesday, right?

Justin (103:36)

23rd is the Thursday.

Mike (103:38)

Okay. The 22nd. The night of the 22nd, Wednesday, we're getting flyers made up. There'll be a live show at a bar about 15 minutes outside of Myrtle beach in Conway called the Rowdy Rooster. Former deputy did like 18 years, and then he started a pretty big country bar up there. So for that night, we'll do like a live meet and greet event with everybody from the conference.

Justin (103:59)

First time I'm hearing about it. I love the communication.

Mike (104:01)

No, it's your liar.

Justin (104:02)

We talked about it yesterday during the show. You probably talked about that actually happened yesterday.

Mike (104:09)

I finalized it yesterday. But okay, you're gonna be there anyway. The flyer's not made up, so I

Justin (104:15)

just pulling me around for.

Mike (104:17)

To make Justin feel better. I just finalized it last night with the owner of the business. And this is the first everybody's hearing about it. That that's the actual event and the location. And we're going to do a flyer. We're gonna have Natalie make up a nice thing. Your donut will be on it. Everybody will be happy. But yeah, there'll be a live event that up while we're up there as well. I know Clint is coming. Can't wait to meet Clint. I know Jack is coming.

Justin (104:40)

Jack's gonna be there hanging out.

Mike (104:42)

Come hang out. It's gonna be a good event.

Justin (104:43)

And maybe if we can make. If we can make Jerry Worms feel bad enough, he'll eventually.

Mike (104:49)

He'll make it.

Justin (104:50)

If we can get his house figured out and all that kind of stuff.

Mike (104:53)

It's gonna be tough for Jerry. Yeah, we're gonna do another. Our next event will be. We're shooting for June in West Palm after that one.

Justin (105:00)

Good, good. Because I'll be gone most of that month anyways. I'll be in Ireland. I'll be in Ireland for 10 days.

Mike (105:08)

What part of the month? What part of the month?

Justin (105:12)

17th to the 27th.

Mike (105:14)

All right, so we'll shoot for the beginning of June.

Justin (105:16)

Yeah. Just definitely not the sixth, because that's my wife's birthday, so she's not going to give me up for that.

Mike (105:21)

So maybe that's.

Justin (105:22)

It's a crazy month. Yeah. Do it on Flag Day.

Mike (105:27)

We'll see. But that was a. That was a. The chat was awesome. Good questions coming through the chat. That was a. That was. That was a great guess. Tyler always makes fun of me. Whenever I have anybody who's over like, the age of 50 in mind to, like, have as a guest, he's like, oh, you can interview this old guy, blah, blah, blah. Well, Nick G Money set that up. Big props to G Money for setting that.

Justin (105:49)

Yeah. Up.

Mike (105:50)

And then we talked to him, and I was two minutes into talking to him, and I'm like, bro, this dude's a G, man. This dude is a G. This guy. This is the guy. So if you hear some of the stuff he talked about is you just know, like, he did some real, real, like.

Justin (106:04)

Yeah, I was. I was pulling up some of, like the one court case that he was talking about with how the. The girl had gotten shot and it kind of wrapped around her forehead and stuff. I was trying to do some background and see if I could pull it up. Not to cross reference his. His claims, but just to see if I get pictures or anything from that. Just for.

Mike (106:23)

That's the kind of guy that needs to get in front of like, some like, dude. Duder just said, like, that's the kind of guy that needs to get in front of these young kids, because these young kids are being influenced by other social media cops. And it's or two generations, I think, removed from the real FTO where you walked a beat and they said, hey, good luck. Go out there and find somebody. Or when I got dropped off in the hood and they said, bring back five names of dudes standing around like, we've gotten away. That they need to hear from that guy how important patrol is. Because I'm just a meme guy.

Pat Brosnan (106:50)

I'm a.

Mike (106:51)

Like, that guy can relay that information. Like, patrol is the backbone, man. That's where the best times are had. That's the most important job. And then when you really get good at that, then you go to the robbery unit, then you go to the gang unit, then you go to the narc unit. Like, but go be a cop, man. Learn the job.

Justin (107:06)

Yeah, I mean, I've Said that recently, me getting kicked out of the media unit and all that kind of stuff and going back to the road, it was, I was bummed. But when I, when I got back to the road, it was open arms from all the guys going, welcome back to the unit that everybody's kicked back into. And, you know, it, it really, it really kind of made a full circle to my collection career. And I, and I loved it. I had fun working the road. I mean, there's those days it's raining people getting in an accident in a major intersection, directing traffic in the rain. Yeah, those are not all the time, but, but getting out there, mixing it up, get, you know, dealing with the crazies of the world, dealing with people's problems on the worst day of their life. And it's the fourth time that you've dealt with something very similar in the same day. And you're just like, all right, all right, let me help you get through this. Let me work your way through this. You know, and it's, it's. Yeah, it was great. You know, it is. But, but it's. A lot of the new guys are jumping ship, run into other agencies because they're like, I'm gonna have more opportunity to get into specialized units and stuff. And, you know, may not always be, may not always be the case, you

Mike (108:15)

know, so, no, you got to do your time. And it's, it's, it's. I don't know, I, I mean, that's where you learn and that's. If you're not having fun doing that, the other, the other jobs are just more responsibility and you're just going to get more frustrated because you're still not going to have the experience you need to do that stuff. So, like, you know, I went in the dope after five years. My number's five. After five years of working, five year itch, you got the, but you know, it, you know the job well enough to make that transition to something new. Know, it's like, okay, but you like, dude, we got FTPs that are two years on. We got, yeah, 18 months on and 12 months.

Justin (108:52)

Or sergeants sometimes that are like four years on or five years on, because you can, you can make sergeant after three years if you have a bachelor's degree in some places. So it's like, you know, just. And I have a bachelor's degree. It doesn't mean that I'm going to be a good cop or that I'm going to be a good leader.

Mike (109:06)

There's a, there's a female Promoted here that had, like, two 18 months on the road. Went to, like, SVU detective, then went to, like, this. Never wrote a search warrant back there. Actually, one of the funniest stories was she didn't know how to write a search warrant. So she called one guy and said, hey, so and so told you to do the search warrant. And then called another guy and said, hey, so and so needs you to help him do the search warrant. And she got those two guys together to do the search warrant for. And then they were like, she's gonna

Justin (109:35)

make a great major.

Mike (109:36)

They found out. They're like, you were supposed to write it. And she actually admitted, I'd never done one as a detective for two years. And I don't know how. She's a sergeant now.

Justin (109:43)

She's a sergeant now.

Mike (109:44)

So it's like no job. Today is not leg day. I've actually already been to the gym this morning for 500 calories of cardio, and I'm gonna go back skip leg day today. I'm gonna give leg day a break.

Justin (109:54)

Yeah, it's. I mean, just three leg days a week is just tomorrow.

Mike (109:58)

Tomorrow's leg day. Tomorrow's leg day.

Justin (110:02)

Yeah. Feisty goat. Thank you. I know this was really the greatest show because I was one. One of the co hosts, so I'm sure that. Oh, no, not my stories. His stories. My bad, my bad. So there's some requests. Requests in the chat that we need some fdny. Nick says he's got a Philly firefighter that we can. People that put out real fires in Florida. Sadly, they don't put out real fires.

Mike (110:27)

Yeah, we put them out before they get there, and then they get mad at us. Yeah, I get the fire extinguisher, the hose out, and I'm like, hey, guys, I got it. And then they show up all mad, and they put their fan up, and then they walk around in the.

Justin (110:40)

And they leave, shake their backs because it's beeping.

Mike (110:45)

Tomorrow is Peach Tomorrow. Peach will be in studio, and we will have the commie on. So Marine versus Marine tomorrow morning.

Justin (110:53)

No, commie's still coming back. What are you guys paying him at this rate? You know, I mean, this guy's. He's paying off all of his bills,

Mike (110:59)

apparently made some reference about money, but he wants exposure. So right now it's. We got Dom is always on on Thursdays. We got the commie G money. And then tomorrow night, Cece will be in the house for night shift. I don't know if pizza staying or not. I know Gator's coming again, so we'll have a great show for tomorrow night. And yeah, I didn't. I forgot. I forget what we talk about. I just last night solidified that bar up there, so. Haven't even put anything out yet. I gotta get the. His. He's supposed to png Send me his PNG for his logo and then. Yeah, we are gonna have Natalie put together a flyer and then he'll put it out on socials. We'll put it out. But hopefully the guys from the conference will come. We got some guests coming, so maybe that'll be a. I won't get drunk either, I promise.

Justin (111:50)

Yeah, you may have missed it on Patreon yesterday. Tyler did say he's doing the commies podcast right now, so he. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Pat Brosnan (111:59)

It was a joke.

Justin (112:01)

I should just let it run.

Mike (112:03)

Convinced I'm like what?

Justin (112:06)

No, Tyler is gay. Said. Did Justin just say the commies pulling a train on Tyler? Probably something like that. But yeah, Tyler. Tyler took the train up to San Francisco and he's at the commies luxury apartment doing his podcast. Wouldn't that be. Yeah, just. I'm just waiting for you to let me talk.

Mike (112:25)

I need you to stand in the corner, face away from me for a minute.

Justin (112:32)

But yeah, so. And then I'm going up to fill in for you again on Thursday. Next week. Sunday I'll be up.

Mike (112:40)

I'm practicing. I gotta practice. This is what we do. That's when you call the pit boss over when I have a straight flush and he's got to come verify that big money I'm winning. So in the casino, the dealers usually. So I practice. I'm getting ready to win big money. I leave Sunday.

Justin (112:56)

Nice. Nice. Yeah, it's Sunday. Where are you going on it?

Mike (113:00)

Miami.

Justin (113:02)

Oh, out of Miami. Oh, wave when you drive by.

Mike (113:04)

Yeah, I'm going out Miami. At least Sunday. And I go to private island. Day at sea. Cozumel, Grand Cayman, Jamaica. Day at sea and back. I will be attempting to stream and say hi to you guys. The only time I drink, which is on cruises. So I will be drinking, I will be gambling. I will be missing you all so much, I promise. Oh, so you'll be.

Justin (113:27)

Ah, yeah. Well you got to be able to get on to collab for all your reels that I'm making of you.

Mike (113:32)

Oh, I pay for the Internet.

Justin (113:33)

Yeah, I pay for that. Next week, everybody donut shop podcast is going to be the Cop Ville episode I got. Oh, there it Is I got Copville dropping next Tuesday at 7am he came on to talk to me. You all know his background, so you don't.

Mike (113:48)

A little different too, right? I think it went very well.

Justin (113:50)

Well, it wasn't. It wasn't the atypical. You know, tell me about your career. You know, it was. Let's just. Let's just talk. Let's talk. So I. I just cut a reel a little bit ago for your first one, so that'll go out on Tuesday. So yeah, everybody check out Copville or Mike coming on. That we recorded a few weeks ago when I was up there.

Mike (114:13)

So yeah, I felt I liked that one. That was a good one. Like it wasn't. It was pretty laid back, I think. And those ones. I probably be more normal too. Like I'm a character sometimes, but I think that one was real pretty normal. I had my job as dead shirt on. You guys can buy that atthecomputer.com.

Justin (114:32)

so it's right there. It's. It's up front and center in that reel. I was like, oh man, it is right there. The microphone's not even blocking it. Like, it's like, dude, I got a

Mike (114:41)

message last night because I do drop ship. Tyler makes fun of me. Some dude got like a 4x4 mudding truck shirt. He's like, bro, I didn't order this. And I'm like, dude, I don't sell that. So I don't know how you ended up with it. He actually ordered the job is dead shirt and he ended up with like a, A truck. Like a four wheel. Like a mud truck. And I'm like, no.

Justin (115:00)

So my, my, the trucking business too.

Mike (115:04)

Workers from China sent the wrong, wrong shirt out. So we get that.

Justin (115:08)

We'll get that fixed up from, from, from Factory America. You know, that's. Yeah, that's good. No, Mike did not talk about air assault school. I don't think you mentioned it once. We, like I said, we didn't really go into your background because your background is fairly well known through many other issues.

Mike (115:29)

I got told that this morning I was demoted. Cop that had to quit. I got all that and some guy hating on me this morning.

Justin (115:36)

Oh, for sure. Yeah, you are.

Mike (115:38)

Gotta love it. So tomorrow is 11:00am don't forget. Justin, what are you doing tomorrow? Nothing. Nothing.

Justin (115:47)

Just because I'm retired.

Mike (115:48)

Yeah, you're retired.

Justin (115:50)

Let's. Let's check. Let's consult the calendar here tomorrow. Oh, I have a doctor's appointment. They have to go over my blood work to tell me my testosterone Is too high. Thanks to hp trt.

Mike (116:03)

Great testosterone. Before we end the show, I got a great testosterone story. Go to the gym with this dude. He's yoked. Orion just jacked. And every time I talk, I'm like, bro, you're 46. I'm like, there's no way. You're just on testosterone. He's like, bro, test out. I'm blah, blah. I'm like, there's no way. No way. Or there's something wrong. So he goes, I sent him. He's looking at VA disability. So I sent him to my guy for sleep apnea test. He comes back yesterday, pulls me aside, like, two days ago. He's like, bro, you're never gonna believe this. I said, What? He's taking three CCs a week. He misreads the label. And he said it was supposed to be 0.253 times a week. For 9. 9 years, he's been yoking 9. 900 milligrams of test A week. His blood was like oils. Blood pressure was like 230 over, like, 140. It was so bad that they sent him. They're like, you got to go donate blood. Like, right now. He got on the blood bus. They're like, you got to get off the bus. You can't. You can't donate blood. It's too thick. So we had to go to, like, a clinic.

Justin (117:11)

We have to use bigger needles.

Mike (117:14)

So he had to go to the clinic and have it removed. And I start. I was talking. I'm like, bro, I knew there ain't no way you were jacked like that off of one season.

Justin (117:23)

Just test.

Mike (117:24)

There's no. And come to find out, he's been taking triple. Like, that's bodybuilder. Like, when you're doing a show, you're

Justin (117:31)

running, like, Yeah, a super cycle 500

Mike (117:35)

test a week with some other stuff. And I'm like, can't wait to watch you, like, shrivel away, buddy. I'm like, I was on his ass. I'm like, you're a liar. But that's my tech story. That's why. And get it done, right?

Justin (117:47)

Yep. And I was so worried about my hemocrine hemoglobin being too thick and hurting myself just because I was borderline. This guy's probably double the legal limit.

Mike (117:56)

And.

Pat Brosnan (117:56)

Oh, my God.

Justin (117:58)

Yeah.

Mike (117:59)

At my peak, I've never even. I've barely maybe done when I ran one massive one, maybe almost that much, but for like. For like, eight weeks, and done. This dude's been doing it for years. I'm like, wow. Well, time to hit the button. You're gonna hit the button?

Justin (118:17)

Yeah, I'll hit it. Do a little plug for myself. Don't forget donutshop podcast.com to catch your videos. All the videos. Links to my. All the podcast things. And now, I mean, since. Since counterculture folks are loading videos, you can catch videos there, too. So wherever you want to catch podcast, donut shop, podcast.com, like, subscribe, follow all that kind of good stuff. And I'll see you guys next Thursday on Anti Hero. You'll see Mike tomorrow.

Mike (118:47)

Tomorrow morning. Appreciate.

Pat Brosnan (118:53)

Sa. Team for life.