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Mike
What they did to your family. You're lucky to make it out alive.
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Pat Brosnan
Streaming on Peacock.
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Mike
These men are going to come after me.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Taking them out.
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Mike
It's my only chance.
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Pat Brosnan
Put a bullet in her head. From the co creator of Ozark.
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Mike
Looks like a family was running drugs.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Execution style killing. It's rare for the Keys.
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Pat Brosnan
Any leads on who they might have been running for?
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Mike
The cartel killed my family. I'm gonna kill them.
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Pat Brosnan
Awesome, Mia. Streaming now only on Peacock.
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Mike
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
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Mike
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
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Mike
JV Team for Life what is up?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
It is Friday, April 24th. This is the anti hair broadcast here for veterans, first responders and hard working blue collar Americans. Special co Host the man with the lisp is not here today. He's doing something else. I fired him in South Carolina. But as always, today's show is brought to you by Ghostbed. Go to ghostbed.com forward/antihero to save 10 off over 50,0005 star rating and reviews if you needed to replace something in the bedroom, replace your mattress, your sheets, your pillow tops and they have coolant patented technology sheets. As always, everything is made in America and free shipping on initial purchases and any returns you might have. And Elevated silence go to elevated silence.com use code anti her 15 for 15 off your silencers. Jim is a real blue collar hard working American who will walk you through the process. Atf. Don't worry about them. Jim will take care of you. Anything from 22s all the way to 50 cows. Make it silent. It's better for your ears. Your ears won't ring so go to elevated silence.com use code promo code ANTIHERO15 for 15 off hello hello hello. You guys have a special guest today so everything will be run right. We'll get to the main topic here in a second, but today's show is going to have. We're gonna have Nick G. Money in. We're gonna have Pat Bronson, who the nypd geopolitics, Real deal cop and Dominic Ido, who could not make it yesterday, will be on shortly after the break. I have to leave. We're going to cut it down around 12:30. Have to go to the doctor to make sure my heart still works and that I'm alive. So gonna be a little shorter than normal. I saw the comments that said there's a lot of news and some of the headlines we have are obviously the, the thumbnail the Delta forest operator arrested. We have the shooting in Baton Rouge. We have the attempted cop that was going to attempt a terror attack, it seems like in also in Louisiana. So here we are.
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Mike
Here we are.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
We got research ready to give opinions. We got opinions today. Big opinions. We got some videos to watch. We got some good stuff. As always, we appreciate everybody in the chat. Don't forget to check out our where am I at? Hold on. Me s. Don't forget to check out our Patreon. As always, Patreon sees everything first. I got all the behind the scenes stuff from South Carolina. The trip. You got to see Tyler attempt to back up a trailer. It's very comical. New designs and also special discounts in the Patreon for everybody as well, especially in the OG Council. They get a huge discount on all our merch. So please join the Patreon. We'll be very active in there. I don't even know where Tyler is, but he's not here. All right, back to the comments, everybody. We appreciate all the 99 centers are in here. So let's go. I mean, I was just hit the hot topic right out of the RIP Gannon, Ken Van Dyke indicted by the government for, I guess you would call it insider trading almost. Because these new markets like Poly Market and Kachi and all these, I know you don't really pay attention to those. I know you pay attention to everything else with the news, but you're essentially allowed to trade shares per se as they're beating. Like you can't gamble in Florida unless you're on one site. There's some states that don't offer sports gambling, but here you can gamble on anything at all. How do you feel about just that ability to gamble on current events? What do you think about that?
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Mike
Well, what regulates it? What entity? What governing? Oversight that's regulating what you do, how you do it. How it pays, how it's collected. There's got to be some regulation body, right? So that would be my first question is how is that being regulated? Are they doing their job? Are they sleeping? They take it a nap, they don't care. They're also getting paid. They're also benefiting. But obviously it's a problem to be able to place bet on what you think is going to happen. But then the people that are involved in the thing that may or may not happen, it's like betting on a sport, like a game, right. And you go, is that player throwing the game because he has some vested interest on whether or not the bet wins or loses?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
And, and in sports, we've seen, and I know you're not a big sports person, but in sports we've seen, you know, massive incidents. Goes back to like Pete Rose. Pete Rose was betting on his own team to win or lose, which is a huge deal when you're, you're the manager of the team and all that. But sports, usually the, the, they come out pretty soon. You, you know, the one guy last year was throwing pitches in the dirt at a certain time. So little more regulated. But you're right. In this case, it's almost like betting on wrestling. We know WWE is staged. The entire event is staged. Everybody knows it's staged. And there's only like two or three people in the world that has kept very secret about how the outcome is actually going to be. Well, here you're betting on events like, will we drop bombs on Iran? Will we attack Venezuela? Will Joe Rogan's podcast be number one? To me, that entire market can be manipulated, manipulated. Like, I can go, all right, there's a billion dollars bet that Joe Rogan's going to be number one. We don't want to lose a billion dollars, so we're going to make him number two this week.
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Dominic Izzo
Right.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
And then you just move it.
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Mike
There's a lack of authenticity in those events occurring. When you have money, anytime money's involved, you start to question, question the authenticity of the outcome of those events.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, and, and this is not, this is the one that finally made the news. It's kind of like, I guess his argument is going to be, well, everybody else is doing it back in January, this is when this Maduro raid happened. But there was already incidents with the Iran war. There was bets on when we were going to invade Iran. Iran. And they said 50 new accounts were made moments, minutes, right before we officially attacked Iran. So those 50 accounts bet an ungodly amount of number of money and then immediately got paid out. I'm going to look at it from this side. You're going to look at it from the very lawful, like what's right is wrong side. I know that, but I'm going to look at it from the gambling side of things. The house never cares if they're winning. So if, if Poly Market and, and Kashi and all these companies are making millions of dollars and everybody's getting the bets wrong, gonna be like, yep, you got it wrong again, buddy, who cares? But when they start paying out half a million dollars at a time and they're like, hm, how did, how did another incident was $550,000 paid out that the Isotola was going to be killed and that Iran in Iran and it happened like all these bets came in just before it happened. So they're going, wait a second, we're losing money. Hey guys, you might want to take a look at this. That's my pea brain version of like the conspiracy is Kashi, Poly Market. These people don't care if they're raking in dollars. The second they start losing money. It's like, hey, you guys might want to take a look at this.
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Mike
Yeah, it's a poor business model to be okay with losing money. I don't think there's any, there's any company on the planet that is okay with losing money. So I think once that starts to occur then they have a vested interest in reporting those things happening to protect themselves from losing money. On the flip side, right, the law side, I, I understand if you're raking in the money, maybe you're willing to roll the dice a little more on the government finding out if you're doing illegal.
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Nick G. Money
Right?
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Mike
Like yeah, we could be held liable for this, but who cares because we're making 20 million, 30 million, whatever, millions of dollars, billions of dollars they're making you kind of tend to like weigh the risks versus reward. And is there any possibility, what is the possibility the government's going to find out we're doing this? Yeah, but I think apparently, you know, I read that they're making, they're prohibiting more and trying to tighten up on what is allowed on Poly Market. So I think and the government, just like with the Internet, when the Internet first came out, we were really behind making laws as it pertained to Internet crimes. It took way a long time to catch up. And with AI and a lot of this other stuff, like there's a, the government is starting to take notice of what's going on still on the Internet. But even ChatGPT is part of a criminal investigation. Open AI for basically providing a manifesto to that FSU shooter a few years ago where it told him what gun to use, what ammo to use. Close range shooting. How beneficial is it best places in a college to. To shoot people. What's more efficient? What gives you a better outcome of death? So I think the government is potentially starting to take notice. But I think then you wind it back, you can keep going backwards. What interest does the government have in investigating these things? At the end of the day, the government's only going to do what is what interests the government.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
And I'm going to play I love America. I love cops around. Find out the second we've. We talked about this before the show. The second Dan Crenshaw allegations, Nancy Pelosi allegations. All these allegations for years and years and years going back 20, 30 years of insider trading where they get tipped based on their congressional positions and their political positions that you might want to go invest in this or support our company. We'll give you these many shares. If I'm gonna play like simple dumb, you know, not play it. I am dumb, Mike. I go, the second a regular dude has a little inside information and he goes, puts a little money on it because he's got it, they crack down. And it's morally, Ethically, yes. Should you know about a massive raid that affects your team, everybody else, and go, I'm gonna make money off it. Ethically, no. Could it put them in danger? You could always make the argument, yeah, that like dangerous. Like, oh my God, there's a spy. Maybe there's a Venezuelan spy or an Iranian spy that has access to these files from that company and somebody tips them and goes, hey, man, we just got a 500000 bet that you guys are gonna be bombed tomorrow. Like, you might want to look. But none of that other stuff seems to really, you know, Crenshaw dodges it. Pelosi, oh, it's okay about other politicians, but the regular dude, regular guy does it. And now here we are, headline news.
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Mike
Yeah, the argument is Pelosi and Crenshaw and all those political figures are in the circle jerk. This guy's not in the circle jerk. So he's got no, no interest in being protected. Those people that are doing corrupt are in the circle of other people doing corrupt. But I think this is kind of like a red herring where it goes, yeah, we didn't kind of go after Pelosi and Crenshaw and all these Other people that allegedly maybe did these criminal things. And then you go after someone who does and you go, look, we hold people accountable.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yes.
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Mike
So like, don't worry about that over there. It's almost just like a, a good enough to appease people that they enforce laws and go after people for doing corrupt, but not their own. Not if you're in the circle and
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
it looks like up to 60 years. You know, obviously everybody knows that the, the being court martialed, you lose a lot of your rights. You're not given the same due process that you are if you're a regular civilian. Some of the stuff I can like looked in based on the charges with the US Code is basically any. It's a federal crime to publish, divulge, disclose, or make it known in any manner, to any extent, not authorized by law for information you obtain. So by this guy going, sitting in a briefing, essentially getting information like, hey, Friday's go time, he opens up an account, he bets a large amount of money, then he opens up several smaller accounts, it looks like, dumps a couple more bets in there, like leading up to it and then payout. And the odds were like outrageous. That's another thing. Even the casino, if you place online and you make some massive wager for like a long, long shot, I can assure you they're going to dive in and go, how did this guy know that the worst team was going to win their first game after like 19 losses in a row? This is strange. So something is crazy, Ray. But here's the thing. I said it earlier, like when you got a guy drug selling drugs and he's only selling a little bit of drugs, and I go jump out and grab him, he goes, oh my God, look at all the other people selling drugs in this case. It's like I, if I were him, I'd go, why is it a lot? Why are we allowed to do it? I get, ethically, I'm not supposed to do it, I shouldn't tip it. But I can go online and physically bet on when a country is going to be bought, bombed. I mean, if you go to God and Jesus and all the other things people want to go to, which is cool. You're now like allowed to bet on like death.
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Mike
Yeah. And I, I think that's, that's why my question goes back to what's regulating Poly market and the best that they allow on there, like, it's almost anything else. Like, I can't even search Instagram sometimes there's words that are censored. Right. Hashtags that are censored that won't allow it to search it. But you can go on polymarket and put Iran war and bombs in the same bet and it's gonna just accept it and go, yeah, this is good to go.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I didn't think about that.
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Mike
Like why are we not like the FBI is any sequence of words that I type into Google and if there's anything that alarms them they're sending and it's the military to my door but
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
not for that and it to. I get it. Like people are nuts though. Like to think like there's bets on there that are so silly. Like Mr. Beast one of the biggest streamers. Twitch all those guys. Aiden Ross. Will Mr. B say jelly tonight? Will Mr. B say peanut butter tonight? Millions of dollars can be wagered. You can't tell me they call him and go, hey bro, do not say peanut butter every there's a billion dollars bet on the word peanut butter. Avoid it. And it's like you're manipulating the market. It sounds very illegal.
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Mike
Right. And I. But the problem is proving it. It's kind of that I go back to sports. Like if you bet that such whatever player is going to score the first touchdown in the game.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah.
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Mike
Like are we going to say that maybe he's not involved in someone influencing or coercing him not to do it?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah. I mean it harder. I mean guess it's harder to do out on a field. You're right. It's harder to do when you have to. All the other factors could he be. Yes. But he doesn' the play. He doesn't choose where the quarterback throws it or hands it. Defense is involved.
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Mike
What was the Bears play that we were all stunned at the.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
The last play of the game where he dropped back.
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Mike
They were like, have you ever played football before?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah.
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Mike
And then you watch some performance and it's like I remember my first time touching a football.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yes.
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Mike
So when you see those outlandish like they had a stroke in the middle of the play that doesn't kind of seem also as alarming or suspicious.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No. There was a basketball. There was a basketball player this past season where it was the season before where teams were blowouts were happening. All of a sudden he's like scoring extra points at the end of the game and they're like, what are you doing, dude? You guys are losing by 25 and it affects over and under. We can dive into that all day. But I think with this particular one, it, it, it's a bad thing what he did. Should he Disclose and bet on knowledge he has. No, but I look at it. Why, why can you do it? Like you said, why can I bet on bombing somebody? Right.
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Mike
And that's where I think maybe it hasn't caught up. But people used to make the argument that fireworks are illegal but you can go buy them. Well, because you can buy them for agricultural purposes right there. But no one's, but no one's really enforcing or following up on whether or not you're going home and using them to scare off birds or wild like other wildlife to protect your agriculture. So that was always the argument, why can I do this if it's illegal?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah. So that's the headline. I'm sure he's going to get, he's going to get smoked. Like he's going to get smoked. There's not. He's going to be the, he's the example. He's going to be the example. He's going to get murked in the, in the media. I'm sure many other people are doing it. I, you know, they said that they found it based on just the transactions and that these companies have been providing and. That's right. Just one more time. They're not turning in the guy that loses 3 million. Forgot that's $3 million and loses like, hey, sorry buddy, they're not turning in the thirty thousand dollar bets over and over and over that probably lose. But the time they go, hey man, this dude.
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Mike
Yeah, they took 100 grand.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Like, wait a second, we might want to look at this one.
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Mike
Well, how much of that money is
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
even Poly markets, they, they collect like a portion. There's like a market.
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Mike
But I'm saying it's not coming out of their pocket.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No, that's how the betting is.
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Mike
Right.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
500 dudes lose.
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Mike
Yeah.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
And then you pay you a thousand.
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Mike
But that's my, my question is then how much of a vested interest does poly market have if, if the bet is winning?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah.
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Mike
Like I would think that they would make more money off the win. Wouldn't they have more of a stake.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No.
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Mike
In them winning even off of a, I don't know the, a twisted shady.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I don't know what the rake is. If they take a rake, if there's a fee that they pull out. I'm not 100 sure on that, but yeah, you know, it's like it goes right back. We'll wrap it up on the statement is that when somebody learns how to count cards in blackjack, it's not illegal to count cards on blackjack. You're allowed to do it. But the casino will walk up to you and go, hey, man, we appreciate your business. You're doing really good. We don't want it anymore. You cannot play blackjack. You can go play poker. You can go play slot machines. We don't want your business anymore. And that essentially means unite account cards. You're taking our money. And that's not why we built this building for you to take our money. We built it to take your money. So just like trespassing? Well, I didn't do anything. Well, doesn't matter. Wawa says get out, or Speedway says get out. Casino says get out. You're too good at this game. And you can actually be kicked out of the casino for being too good.
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Mike
Well, I think at the end of the day, polymarket's interest is not necessarily winning or losing money. I'll just say that I think their interest is not being on the receiving end of a criminal investigation from the federal government. I think that's their vested interest.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
They're crooked enough as it is. I'm sure. Doing stuff, the last thing they need, and they go, look, guys, we were helping you, all right? You want to dive into that? Which one you want to dive into? We got a couple videos to play. You want the. That ruling, the lawsuit shooting, use force, Whichever. All right, let me go here. We got. I'll let you guys watch this. And then some news about this incident. I think this is it. Let's talk about this one first. You haven't seen this yet. I want you to do this. This is a video. This video here is a. A DUI video. This is where I get into the cops doing things silly, saying stuff on body camera. What we. What we talk about with. Are you really down time and your body cams run. You say stupid things. Watch this video.
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Pat Brosnan
Back In December of 2024, Brianna Longoria
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Mike
was pulled over 7th street in Monroe.
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Dominic Izzo
I realized it was for me.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I thought you were saying I ran.
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Dominic Izzo
You did run.
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Mike
You did run around. But also, your. Your lights in the back aren't on.
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Pat Brosnan
On 7th Street, Brianna was put through a series of assessments. An eye test, walking test, and breathalyzer
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Mike
triple zeros, like I thought.
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Pat Brosnan
Despite blowing zeros, Longoria was put in cuffs.
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Mike
So I just.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Oh, I am.
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Pat Brosnan
In a police report, the officer wrote Longoria, quote, showed several cues on field sobriety tests.
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Mike
Was supposed to be the best time of my life when I had so much going on. I'm in a cop car. You know, I didn't deserve that.
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Pat Brosnan
A lawsuit filed By Longoria say the officers discussed pressure to make DUI arrests while processing her. In this video, you'll see what Brianna's lawsuit claims was said they're going to
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
kick me off squad if I don't get a dui.
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Mike
But I have seriously pulled like, no, they're tights that I don't care. But I'm like, I can't just conjure one up.
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Pat Brosnan
I have tried blood tests came back negative for drugs and alcohol and the charges were eventually dismissed.
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Mike
Was a disaster, a nightmare.
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Pat Brosnan
Phoenix police won't comment on ongoing litigation, but the case is currently under review.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
What do you think about that one?
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Mike
What's the under review or.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, still under what?
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Mike
Was there a dre? Like under anything?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No, zero. They did a complete panel. Drugs? Nothing came back. Based on what? Just the interaction alone. It didn't. She didn't show impairment to me and I was very little. But no, no, nothing. Was there nothing in her system? No. No drugs, no alcohol, Blue zeros, nothing in her bloodstream. It seems like there was pressure from the agency to get DUIs, and this lady went to jail for it.
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Mike
Right. Similar to ticket quotas.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yes, yes.
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Mike
That are extremely illegal. So I, I without. We saw a very small snippet of that, that lady's behavior and whether or not she would be perceived to be under the influence. For me, I don't have enough to say that, but that's. It's not uncommon for that to happen. Right. Where you're getting someone, some supervisor shitting down your neck to go out and produce some sort of stats. I mean, there's entire kind of nights or objectives that work around that. Send us your stats. What did you do? How many tickets did you write? How many arrests you make? What were the arrests for? Obviously there's some competitive nature there, but if you feel like it's. It's a requirement or you're going to suffer some loss or some punishment or some adverse effects from not doing that, that's a massive problem. And I go back to body. Cameras are great. I think the majority of cops wouldn't leave home without one. I think it's probably saved a lot of cops asses rather than hanging them out to dry. Either way, I think they're great. However, what it's done is really highlight, I think what society has put forward for a long time and calling into question the integrity of law enforcement. And I think it's a legitimate, like complaint that they've had about law enforcement. We go along well, cops are good and not all of Us are bad, and that's great. Not all of us are bad. That's true. However, there still has to be some attention and merit given to the fact that society is not just making up for all of these years of having some gripe about law enforcement lacking integrity or being corrupt.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
And I'll. I'll bring G. Money's getting ready to come in. I'll bring him in a second. But the last thing I'll say about that as well is when Dominic and I go crazy and you do, too, about Tick Tock videos and dumb stuff being said, think about that conversation. Even if the. Let's say the female cop did nothing, she was. No ill intentions, no ill will. Thought the lady was dy. Maybe just missed it, Right? Thought she was D. Whatever reason, that silly conversation that seems so benign to talk about. Oh, I need it. They're gonna kick me off. I don't get DUIs, and that could be a real problem. Like, they should be getting real pressure and feeling some type of way. But that silly conversation is now on the national news. No different than a rant on Tick Tock or something. And you're gonna end up one day and you'll be like, oh, man, I don't. I don't want that. I didn't want to be on the news with this. This is. I didn't mean it that way. I didn't do it that way. So.
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Mike
Well, how I look at that is if you know your body cameras on, which I assume that she did, I would hope. And you still have the confidence and comfort of saying that with a body camera on. It makes me wonder what has been said over the years before body cameras were a thing.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, G. Money. The glue I can count on. Always count on G Money to be there. We're driving, but we're always there.
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Nick G. Money
Can you hear my blinkers?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I can hear you blink. I'm very. I'm very observant. I can hear you.
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Mike
Thank you for following the law.
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Nick G. Money
Yeah, right.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Good job. Seatbelt on. No seatbelt, though.
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Nick G. Money
I'm pulled over.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Oh, okay.
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Pat Brosnan
Why is your blinker.
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Mike
Oh, your hazards are on.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Oh, yeah.
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Nick G. Money
Yeah, my hazards are on.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Give me. I want your honest. I want your honest Critique. Scale of 1 to 10, G money scale 1 to 10. How was my intro to the. At the live event?
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Nick G. Money
9.5.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
The only one hires. Which one? Yours?
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Nick G. Money
Yeah.
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Mike
Way too generous. Way too generous.
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Nick G. Money
You use a little too much.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I don't think I did. I said no. I said, suck my dick. And I said,
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Nick G. Money
Several times. So, no, I deducted. I deducted 0.5 for that.
- [24:21]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Well, yeah, there was. There was the fireball ratio to rum. That was a little. So I knew I was gonna do. I wrote that earlier in the day. I, like, tweaked it, wrote it, got it ready. And I was like, I'm never gonna get all the way in character if I'm sober. Like, that was good. Dude, I'm pretty wild, but I'm like, I'm not like stone cold wild. So I was like, let me get like two or three drinks. Just at that point, everybody thought, you know, dog means hammer. No, that's just. I was like two or three. And then I just kind of eased out the rest of the night. Didn't do anything silly, but I needed that. That loot, you know, that lube, man, you know when the darts are going just right, like you said, the pool table is just going right. You have a little bit on you. You're able to get a little more in character.
- [24:59]
Nick G. Money
Yeah, man, I. You kept me up all night, dude. I was fired up. I was cursing. I couldn't even get to sleep. I was so amped up after that speech.
- [25:06]
Mike
He grabbed a pair of handcuffs and went out. You're ready to go out and rest somebody.
- [25:10]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
That was my entire contribution to the show, though. I left after this, left the stage after that, never came back. And Tyler's a little upset with me. But that's the other part that comes with a few drinks is, you know, I tend to wander.
- [25:23]
Mike
Two year old Mike, stop paying attention.
- [25:25]
Nick G. Money
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not complaining about cuss words. I was just saying I took off points because he used too much. There's other curse words he could have used.
- [25:34]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Okay. I don't even remember saying it. I just watched it again.
- [25:37]
Mike
How's cunt? No, you can't say that. No, no, you can't say censored for that.
- [25:42]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, but it was. It was just to reiterate, it was a great turnout. It was. It was. You know, Kenny Red Ninja put on an amazing conference, like just short of 300 people, like, every day.
- [25:53]
Nick G. Money
Yeah, I'm proud of Kenny, man.
- [25:54]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
That was awesome training, great guests. Like, everything was. Was good. Great vendors. You know, we met some really cool people, made some contacts to come on the show. So very impressed with that conference. Like, it was. I've been to a lot of conferences put on by national organizations with money they could burn. And Kenny was on a budget. And he did. He did a good job with.
- [26:13]
Mike
Yeah, one of the things we took away, we were watching a lot of the. The cops that are there, and I'm sure any cop has probably made this observation going to conferences. But whenever you see cops seeking out, training on their own and going to those conferences or either aren't mandated or aren't required, you see an overall consistency of the fact that they aren't sloppy, overweight, obese, disgusting humans. So kudos to those guys for showing up to training on their own and representing law enforcement, at least in a. An aesthetics. Aesthetically appealing way that proves us to be professional and put effort into.
- [26:50]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
There were people as far as Margate, Florida, which is south of Fort Lauderdale, down there. There were people from Nevada, Nevada State Patrol. There it is. There was a huge turnout. And funny. Funny thing is there was a. There was just maybe five or six females. That was it. It was funny. Like, the first day, it was like, I guess they were a couple. They walk over and females like, oh, I don't know if I should come to this booth. You're pretty rough. And I was like, ah, you know, it's funny comedy. And then by the last night after the rant at the bar, she was like, all right, you're not so bad. I was like, see, I'm not so bad. I did make a really good joke because, you know, me and Heather from one of Kenny's instructors kind of go back and forth pretty heavy. She's a proponent. I'm not knocking it. She's a proponent. Her belief, she loves 30 by 30. She pushes it. So I offered to buy Barf I off. Yeah, I offered to bar. He'd love that. I knew he'd love this. So I offered to buy the first hundred beers. The way I understood was $3 draft. So I said, I'm going to drop the first hundred. Drafts are on me. When we got to the bar, though, I made the announcement that due to the 30 by 30 initiative, 30% of the beer has to go to the women. So then, sorry, guys, you guys only can get the first 70 beers. And even though there's only two women in the building, the other 30 are off the market. They're allocated for just them.
- [28:08]
Nick G. Money
Great.
- [28:09]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Great. It was. It was. It went over funny for everybody else, but I.
- [28:12]
Dominic Izzo
That's pretty funny, dude.
- [28:13]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No, that's. Yeah, I was. That was Drunk Mike. Drunk Mike's way funnier than this. But, yeah, it was. It was a good event. Good people. We had a good time. And Tyler cut a real. We'll put that out later, but. All right. I got this video. What's going.
- [28:28]
Nick G. Money
Oh, yeah, yeah. Joe ring. That's pepto bismol. I think I got a bleeding ulcer.
- [28:32]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
So not gonna go to the doctor. We're just gonna sit on the side of the road eating. Eating hot dogs and. And gas station food.
- [28:38]
Nick G. Money
Where are you? I slammed the Johnny hots hot sausage yesterday. Little meatball gravy sharp provolone on there. It's awesome.
- [28:46]
Mike
And that's why you're where you're at right now.
- [28:47]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Are you on the run? You're on the movie?
- [28:50]
Nick G. Money
I can't say what I'm doing, but I'm working.
- [28:52]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
All right. Yeah, we hit bucky's. We did the bucky's yesterday.
- [28:55]
Nick G. Money
I want to go to Bucky's, dude.
- [28:56]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I ate, like, ridiculous amount of food at chick fil a. And then Bucky's rolls up about 32 miles later. I'm like, you know what? I gotta have a sandwich from Bucky's.
- [29:03]
Mike
He.
- [29:03]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
You can't go wrong there. So we hit Buc Ees, the cleanest place on earth. I don't know if anybody's been to a buck.
- [29:08]
Nick G. Money
Yeah, you're telling me that, dude. How you're very impressed with the bathroom.
- [29:12]
Mike
The bathrooms are phenomenal.
- [29:13]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
You have no idea.
- [29:14]
Mike
The nicest. The nicest hotels. I've been in the nicest restaurants. Those bathrooms, amazing. They're great. I could sleep there.
- [29:21]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, it's great. It's. It's an unreal operation. All right, so you want to. You know about this? You want to talk about it? What the. The use of force lawsuit video that just came out?
- [29:31]
Mike
Yeah, sure.
- [29:31]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Go ahead. You want to talk about it first? You want me to just roll the video?
- [29:33]
Mike
Let's just roll it.
- [29:34]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Roll the video. Here we go.
- [29:46]
Mike
What the happened?
- [29:48]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
That's like. Yeah, yeah, Eventually.
- [29:50]
Mike
Yeah. They. The new trend now is to play the really exciting part of the video first for three seconds and then roll back and start the video from the beginning. I don't know why that's a thing, but.
- [29:58]
Nick G. Money
Yeah, I don't like that.
- [30:01]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
You sure you still there?
- [30:03]
Mike
Hey, wake up. Come out with your hands up. So it's a homeless person in the bushes call. They were called there because there's a homeless dude in the bushes.
- [30:13]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
There's a homeless guy in the bushes.
- [30:15]
Mike
Let's go.
- [30:15]
Nick G. Money
Come on.
- [30:16]
Pat Brosnan
Get out.
- [30:18]
Mike
Keep your hands up. Keep your hands up. Keep your hands up. Let's go.
- [30:22]
Nick G. Money
Paraka.
- [30:27]
Pat Brosnan
Let's go.
- [30:28]
Mike
Keep your hands up. Let's go. Come on.
- [30:33]
Nick G. Money
No.
- [30:34]
Pat Brosnan
Get out.
- [30:37]
Nick G. Money
Can you Go on the other side.
- [30:46]
Mike
Keep your hands up.
- [30:50]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Let's go.
- [30:51]
Dominic Izzo
Come on.
- [30:52]
Mike
Let's go. Let's go.
- [30:55]
Dominic Izzo
Come on.
- [30:57]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Step out.
- [30:58]
Pat Brosnan
Hands up.
- [30:59]
Mike
Let's go.
- [31:03]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Hold on. Let's go.
- [31:05]
Pat Brosnan
Let's go. Now.
- [31:13]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I'll tell you again.
- [31:18]
Dominic Izzo
He's got to stick. He's got stick.
- [31:30]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Set him up. Hey, go get the first aid kit. Okay. Do you have your knife?
- [31:36]
Mike
Cut the shirt.
- [31:36]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, Cut the shirt off. Okay.
- [31:41]
Dominic Izzo
All right.
- [31:42]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Cut it off.
- [31:42]
Pat Brosnan
And then we'll get them on the side real quick. Slow motion.
- [31:58]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Stick. Taser deployed. You guys are watching, not watching. If you're listening, this is. They're showing the video in slow motion now. Shots.
- [32:16]
Mike
So that happened in 2021. It's back in the news. Because they were cleared criminally. No, criminal. They could not prove that there was any criminal elements there to the shooting, but the family won 17 million dollars. Did he die? Yes.
- [32:36]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
17 million dollar payout to the.
- [32:38]
Mike
So a lot of the comments are obviously, this dude's homeless. He's actually got a bag of cans in his hand and the stick is used to pick up cans so that he can go and get money. And the family, obviously, for whatever reason, I'm not saying they have any obligation. I'm. I come from more of an unconventional, untraditional mindset that just because we're family doesn't mean I have to put up with your. Or be exposed or subjected to your. So maybe he was homeless for good reason. Doesn't mean he needs to. Needs to die. But now the family, because he was homeless and had an encounter with the cops are now $17 million, Richard. Right. So this. This case. What do you think about that? I want. I want Nick's opinion, obviously, first on when you see that from just the immediate, obviously superficial video.
- [33:22]
Nick G. Money
Well, obviously you two think it's a. It's fine to shoot him because he had a bat.
- [33:27]
Dominic Izzo
You're wrong.
- [33:27]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
You're wrong. So you're judging me? I don't think it's right.
- [33:29]
Mike
How do you think that?
- [33:30]
Nick G. Money
I don't think that was a difference from the other job. The guy had a lethal stick in his hand.
- [33:34]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
You could have someone that you want my. If you want, I'll give my opinion.
- [33:37]
Nick G. Money
Don't even start with me. Don't even tell me. This is big. You cannot do this.
- [33:42]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Listen, you have to look at all of them individually. Hold. No, it's not.
- [33:46]
Nick G. Money
No, it's not. In fact, he was charging at her. There's a point at the other end of that. A.
- [33:50]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
There's a knife at the other end, what were his. Hold on.
- [33:55]
Nick G. Money
Are you with me?
- [33:56]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No, let me explain.
- [33:57]
Nick G. Money
Are you with me?
- [33:58]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Let me explain. Let me explain. Explain why.
- [34:00]
Nick G. Money
I'm not letting you explain.
- [34:02]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Let me just say what, mind? I didn't even say anything that I don't agree with or not yet. You don't even let me talk. I know, Let me just say. No, just let me say this. What was the commands they gave him? To come out of the bushes, right? Not drop the stick, not put anything down. Multiple times they told him. What did he do? He came out of the bushes with the stick. I'm not going to argue with that. He can, yes, he can kill her. Yes, he can beat her, he can stab her. I'm not going down that road of just, I'm not going to give my opinion on justification or not. I, I, I don't, I don't care to go that far. You can shoot a guy with a stick 100 of the time if you feel that you're in danger. What I'm saying, though, is you could create distance. They had a guy behind him. And when you come out with, the only thing if you're going to argue is he came out with a stick. In my opinion is you told him multiple times to come the out. You knew the stick was there, it was in his hand, and he came out with the stick from there. You could say tased the tase, caused whatever, but yes, I'm not going to say that they're not justified to shoot a guy with the stick. I'm just saying if you're going to order a guy out of the bushes and he has a stick, you might want to address the stick first. Like, hey, bro, no sticko, put it down. Come out without it. That's what I'm saying.
- [35:09]
Nick G. Money
All right? You know how you handle that? You walk up, you kick them. Yo, dude, get the up. I'm telling you right now. Get the up or I'm gonna drag you out of those bushes right now. And he would have got up. Get the out of here. Don't come back. If I get called again, I'm gonna take your ass all the way down to the airport for it. And you're gonna walk three hours to get back here. Do you understand me?
- [35:32]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I'm okay with that.
- [35:33]
Nick G. Money
Yeah, get the out of here. And he would have left.
- [35:35]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I get it. You have.
- [35:39]
Mike
Can I. Okay, so when we say it's the same, I don't know that it's exactly the same. So we know that they were called there For a homeless person in the bushes, which is what they do. Anybody that's seen homeless people, they generally hang out in the woods, in the bushes and not. Not be seen. That's where they sleep and all that. So you compare it to the guy with the bat. What were they called there for with the guy with the bat?
- [36:01]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Aggressive behavior.
- [36:03]
Nick G. Money
That's. It's semantics at this time. Doesn't matter what happened prior. Doesn't matter what happened prior.
- [36:09]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
It does, though.
- [36:12]
Mike
Hold on.
- [36:13]
Nick G. Money
He's coming out of. Of the bushes with a stick with a knife on the end of it. Hostile.
- [36:18]
Mike
Yeah, they're so. But it does matter. So I understand. Like, having opinions is fine. Having opinions and Is fine. We all have them, but they have to be informed. They should be informed. Opinions. They should be informed.
- [36:32]
Nick G. Money
You guys have opinions. I'm right. That's the difference.
- [36:35]
Mike
Okay, fair. Good. Greatness.
- [36:38]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Hold on there. You got to leave it there.
- [36:39]
Mike
No, I don't.
- [36:41]
Nick G. Money
Move on to the next one.
- [36:42]
Mike
No, I definitely don't.
- [36:43]
Nick G. Money
Next.
- [36:44]
Mike
Informed. Informed. Informed opinions are better. There is a established rule by several cases, one being a federal case. Is that him not wanting to listen to me.
- [36:55]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
He muted you.
- [36:56]
Mike
Am I muted?
- [36:57]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, you're done.
- [36:57]
Mike
That's okay. Everyone else. Everyone else likes to.
- [36:59]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I wish I had that button.
- [37:00]
Mike
Everyone else likes to learn. So there's an established rule that prior behavior, prior indications of violence can't hear. You have to be permitted when examining the defendant's state of mind and what propensity of violence or what threat that victim, the victim being the dead person presented. So in this one in particular, and the reason they were found justified, there was a couple things. They noted that the taser was used first and it failed. They noted that she was already backed up as far as she could go because there was a bush line and then there was a busy street behind her. You can argue tactics and they can. It's like being in a hallway of an apartment building, although you're blocked by a wall. If you were to, you know, go perpendicular from a door, you can go down a hallway and create distance, but regardless. But then it comes into. There was three separate encounters that she had with him where he either assaulted somebody else, was in a physical confrontation with her. So she had knowledge of this person's history and that being violent or threatening of violence. So that's where those things come into play and why it actually is applicable. That although the dude with the bat shooting was indicted, things that should be hopefully looked at is whether or not there was any prior indications or propensity of violence. And it does matter. We can't just say that all of those things and all of that knowledge doesn't matter just because it's what we feel like saying.
- [38:27]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, I agree. And I. Again, I'm. I know. I'm with you, but, no, you can't bring a stick with a knife on the end out and present it to the cops like you can't do it. Can't do it. So I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't put her anywhere. I don't think she deserves it. I don't think they had $17 million.
- [38:42]
Mike
Right. So. But here's where I'm confused, because Nick's saying you can't come out with a stick and a knife on the end. Right. And do all those things. Prior knowledge. So you would agree then that it's similar to the bat and then that shooting.
- [38:52]
Nick G. Money
No, bat was standing still.
- [38:55]
Mike
He wasn't. But that doesn't also.
- [38:57]
Nick G. Money
He posed no threat at that time. When he was standing there, where was his threat?
- [39:02]
Mike
He. Nick, listen for a second. Nick, listen for a second. The commands they gave him were to come out. He came out with his belongings. You told him to come out. When did he raise the stick at her? When did he raise the stick at her? No, he didn't. He actually backed in to the bushes when he got tased. But he probably did.
- [39:21]
Nick G. Money
We watch. Are we watching two different videos each time? No, I don't want to watch it.
- [39:26]
Mike
Watch it again. Okay, so when he got Tased, he fell back into the bushes a little bit. But if you're asking someone to come out of the bushes, which way do they have to walk to? Towards you as the cop. They have to come towards you because you told them to. When does he raise the stick at her? Listen, he doesn't switch hands. He doesn't raise physical.
- [39:44]
Nick G. Money
I think we can all agree if it wasn't a female cop there, this never would have happened.
- [39:49]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yep. Okay. I like it. All right, we'll get. I want to get more into this. You guys have open mic? Maybe we'll come over there.
- [39:57]
Nick G. Money
Now, hold on. Now, I got. I gotta teach you something, Mike.
- [40:00]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Good.
- [40:00]
Nick G. Money
You know who Dan Bongino is?
- [40:02]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yes.
- [40:03]
Nick G. Money
Say his name.
- [40:04]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Dan Bongino. Good.
- [40:06]
Nick G. Money
You know who Pat Brosnan is?
- [40:08]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yep. I said his name wrong, didn't I? Bronson. Yes, Bronson.
- [40:11]
Nick G. Money
You keep saying bra Charles.
- [40:14]
Mike
That's because he knows a Bronson.
- [40:17]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
There's twins and there's twin dudes I've been chasing around since I was a kid new cop and they commit most of the crime for my whole career. So Bronson is just burned into my brain. And when I see it, the letters don't. The letter bronze none. How to say it again?
- [40:30]
Nick G. Money
I remember you guys butchered Dan Bongino name too. I was laughing.
- [40:33]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
That was Tyler wrote it on the whole paper. Wrong Brosnan. All right, we're gonna get Pat Brosnan on next. Nick, thank you so much.
- [40:40]
Nick G. Money
All right, see you guys.
- [40:41]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yep. Let me get this super chat up here because Clint threw it up. Tyler, thanks for the invite. Meeting up, y' all great. Especially Jojo. It was like hanging with friends. We knew for 20 years. 99 cent for life. Thank you, Clint. It was a amazing for those meeting. Yeah.
- [40:59]
Mike
You, your wife, Mike, Fritz in here.
- [41:01]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Clint, their wives. Great people. It was right. Clint walked in, they all sat down. We started talking. Two hours of just like we knew each other our whole lives. And it was excellent.
- [41:12]
Mike
Really solid, like genuinely good people.
- [41:15]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yes. Yeah. Really good people. And Clint can tell just the same amount of stories and filled a two hour block of meeting meetups as well as he can call in. Clint was in the best position. He was to his left was Tyler, Jack and Justin Donut shop. And to his right was his family, me and Jojo. So Clint would turn this way. I got one. He would tell a whole story and then he would spin this way in the chair and go, hey, guys, I got one. And then he would come back this way. Hey, guys, I got one.
- [41:42]
Mike
It was like speed dating. It was just flint.
- [41:44]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah. But it was amazing. But amazing people. They showed up to the live. Another great thing. Pat Brosnan. Got that right. Will be on shortly.
- [41:53]
Mike
It's like your inability to say subtle. Sub subtle.
- [41:56]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, it's bad. All right. I don't claim to be many things. One of them. And you know, you live up to it. Let's see we got anything to play before Pat comes on. Let's go to this one more time. This is the dead horses getting beat. This is the Home Depot incident. We played it yesterday. I'm gonna play it one more time because this. I've gotten sent this video like a thousand times. Now, Like, according to Knicks, you can shoot all of them because they have sticks, right? Everybody can be shot here.
- [42:48]
Mike
Hold me back, hold me back.
- [42:50]
Nick G. Money
Come on, come on.
- [42:53]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
How you do it?
- [42:54]
Dominic Izzo
How you doing?
- [43:01]
Nick G. Money
Oh,
- [43:10]
Mike
The way they pulled her off by her belt.
- [43:17]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
You better tell. Yeah. You know, that'll be if you. If you're going to take any side of that female's cup saying she performed, she jumped in. That would be the one where you probably should sit out. Because nowhere in any academy training, any tactics training do they teach you to turn your back to an aggressor and back up into them where they can easily grab your gun or choke you or beat you or kill you and all those other things.
- [43:50]
Mike
So, yeah, I think my attention would. Oh, really, Lemon?
- [43:53]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, yeah, you can finish your attention one second, Pat.
- [43:57]
Mike
I think in those where you have to look at it right from like a 50,000 foot view, nobody was being violent or aggressive or threatening towards her at the time. At the time, really, at any time. I never really see anybody go after her. You get into a very heavily populated situation or area. My concern is, number one, for the innocence, which doesn't include the two people fighting. So the two people are fighting, can fight till their deaths. I have no. Let's Castle work versus Gonzalez. I have no obligation to protect them or to stop them from fighting. However, the innocents need to get out, and they're not being aggressive. So I probably have a higher likelihood of getting them to cooperate with leaving the store. Right. And not putting myself in between an absolute dog pile of people setting myself up for failure.
- [44:39]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Without further ado, let's bring in Pat. Thank you so much for coming on. It's Brosnan. I know it's Brosnan, but I have. I grew up arresting two twin brothers my whole career, and their last name was Bronson. I'm not confusing with any actors. I literally look at it, and I've written their name on arrest affidavits so many times that the letters are so close. I always say Bronson on that. Matter of fact, one of them just messaged me the other day, so.
- [45:05]
Pat Brosnan
That's funny, bro. That's funny. Yeah, Think of Pierce Brosnan, but no bucks. That'll make it easy for you, you know.
- [45:11]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
How are you this wonderful? This wonderful Friday?
- [45:14]
Pat Brosnan
Excellent, Excellent. I love the backdrop. I. I love the. The cell backdrop.
- [45:19]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, it's real, too. This is where my. This is where she locks me when she doesn't want to deal with me. She puts me in the cell back there. So.
- [45:27]
Pat Brosnan
So where. Where is that cell?
- [45:29]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
This is my. This is my studio. I built that.
- [45:31]
Mike
It's not real.
- [45:32]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, it's not a real jail cell, but it's a real backdrop. I mean, it's a real backdrop.
- [45:36]
Mike
It's not like a green screen.
- [45:37]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No, it's not a green screen. So this is.
- [45:39]
Pat Brosnan
I'll send you a photo. I have. I have a 1935 cell in my studio in a Batcave. I never seen another one. It's from Danbury City Hall. And I have one key. Exactly, one key. So I keep that key very, very close because I know who's going to get locked in there with some smart ass.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Well, that's what.
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Pat Brosnan
But a very cool backdrop. Good morning. So who, who do we have?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
This is Joanna. This is my wife, Joanna. She's.
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Mike
Good morning.
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Pat Brosnan
Oh, hi. Joanne?
- [46:07]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, she's. She's. Okay.
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Mike
Sometimes, sometimes. Usually when I'm not talking, I'm. Okay. Yeah, I start talking, things get kind of. Gary, Gary.
- [46:15]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
She wasn't on last with the cooler thing and she's in the train officers. And I know that was. That's still going on hot up there. So you guys, you wanted any new, anything new on the. I know we got Bond. Anything new on the cooler case up there?
- [46:27]
Pat Brosnan
Nothing really, other than that the, the appellate team has been joined by Alan Dershowitz. So he jumped in with Andrew Quinn and John d', Alessandro, who are rock stars. They just got obliterated with the rule of law by the judge Guy Mitchell, who is clearly Stevie Wonder. Even worse, he's actually deaf, dumb and blind. He just completely ignored a mountain of evidence, subverted his own witnesses, perjured witnesses. I mean, I, I've been reading the case pretty closely. So the good news is he's out. He's out on 300,000 bond. Good news is the appellate team, the appeals team, is strong and well informed and, and super skilled. The bad news. So the bad news is in the Bronx and in Brooklyn and probably in Manhattan, any officer who goes up on criminal charges and died on criminal charges almost universally elects to go to bench trial. Judge trial. Right.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Okay.
- [47:29]
Pat Brosnan
So that's extremely common and. Which is very wise given the makeup and a lot of the anti police bias that's running through the DNA of New Yorkers in the outer boroughs. It's the way it is. Right. Rhetoric has consequences. But the flip side of that is, is if you are convicted, as Sergeant Duran has been, the appealing. A bench trial is exponentially more difficult than appealing to jury trial. Yeah. Because judges are the ultimate. You know, it's the, it's the black robe cartel, let's be honest, they don't flip on each other. So it's, it's going to be a real uphill battle. He's got the best team. We're raising funds for him. You know, we're doing some stuff with my radio show and I just plugged it on newsmax I plugged it on Fox last night. So, you know, we're doing what we can. And I've been just, every second I have, I bring forward the record of this, this alleged judge, this anti cop hating, anti law enforcement enforcement hating jurist masquerading as a judge, an arbiter of facts. And he's a really bad guy. And I remember him, I remember him as an assistant DA in the Bronx in 91, 92, 93. And he was underwhelming back then, but this one really takes the cake. So fingers crossed.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Like you said, when we see crime running the way it is in New York and the lack of prosecution, the deals people are getting and the way criminals are being taken care of are almost just ignored when it happens. And then you see something like this where we've, you've already, you beat the horse like fleeing on a scooter. You did all the math, all the statistics of how dangerous that it situation was. And for somebody to look at that and go, well, let's go after the cops, the ones that are already doing the job that's dangerous, already risking it every day now let's go and make it even harder on them. And it's just not right.
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Pat Brosnan
It just illuminates the fact that being a member of the NYPD and working in Bronx county is the most difficult job on planet Earth, period. I actually went over last Saturday, took a ride over on a motorcycle and went to, went to the crime scene on 90th between 190, 192 on Aqueduct Avenue in the Southwest Bronx. And I put my bike on the sidewalk, I brought a small bike because I wanted to kind of replicate the facts relating to this. Animals riding his motorcycle directly at Sergeant Duran and his two detectives and by the way, the co defendant who was a prisoner. And that sidewalk. And I taped it, I brought a tape, I measured the sidewalk, 64 inches. That's a real narrow sidewalk. Just above five feet, really narrow. So there was no room, there was no other option. Zero other option. Absolutely horrific. Tight as hell. And the fact is it took me digging a little bit before I spoke directly to the attorneys who I know I've done litigation support for them in my company. We've been handled some investigative elements for different cases they've been on over the years, police matters. And the way the press conveyed this bike was as if it was Dorothy with Toto in her basket in the wizard of Oz, just pedaling along. And then there was a sense and a lot of people thought this, that it was an E bike, but no, it's a gas powered 320 pound motorcycle. Motorcycle.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
It's a motorcycle.
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Pat Brosnan
Yeah, yeah. Which. Advancing at 40ft per second. And according to the subject matter experts that the prosecution brought in a fellow named Dr. Yee, a preeminent bio. Biomechanical engineer in the United States, he analogized the, the impact of being struck by that motorcycle at what they established as 34 miles an hour. So they're getting hit with a small washing machine from a third floor window. That's how I think it.
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Mike
I think it would. I think the case itself already contains the outcome of being hit with a motorcycle. If being hit with a cooler can cause death, then being hit with a motorized vehicle can cause death. Right. Like it would be. It would be reasonable to, to presume that it's already. We've solved a cooler cause death. Right. The falling. But the cooler initially, according to the, to the courts, do you see a problem or is there not any comparison or a lack of comparison of the scooter and a vehicle? Because had this been a vehicle, there's so much case law that supports, right. The vehicle fleeing danger to society. Any means necessary to stop that. Right. It's, it's very wide and the force you can use and it being reasonable and necessary to stop a fleeing vehicle that poses hazard to. Is there not a comparison being made? Are they going out of their way to make them dissimilar?
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Pat Brosnan
So two things on the first observation, Joanne, and it's astute. A lot of people do believe that the cooler killed the drug dealer.
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Mike
It's the fall, the fall from the cooler.
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Pat Brosnan
It was. Well, it was the cooler pushed the bike south and hooked his handlebars on a tree. There was a tree overhanging against a fence and that ejected him and he smashed his head open on the curb. So certainly it precipitated it and it also stopped him, stopped him from murdering possibly two detectives and his co defendant, by the way. But getting to statutory elements of the law as it relates to use of deadly physical force, Article 7, both state and federal side, the operating mandate. And, and we saw this on the federal side a couple of months back with the ICE agent with the female forget exactly what state.
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Mike
Renee Gurney.
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Pat Brosnan
Yes, exactly right. And, and how that was justified. Because the question becomes how else precisely would you stop a speeding car or a speeding motorcycle that's about to crush you, likely kill you or cripple you or maim you? I mean, do you yell at the motorcyclist? Do you taser the motorcycle, do you hit it with a billy club? You have to stop it. And I actually thought it was brilliant and. And wicked fast because it transpired according to courtroom testimony, in 2.5 seconds, he had the decision at 40ft a second, he was advancing on him. He grabbed a picnic cooler that wasn't his. It was the children, because there was two children there with their parents as well, who were in harm's way and flung it at the motorcycle to stop what would almost certainly have been death of one of six different people that were in its path. So the law is clear on it. The law is clear on it. This judge, this Stevie Wonder judge, deaf, dumb and blind, just elected to completely ignore all the facts, ignore his own subject matter experts, ignore his own perjured witnesses. And he just went with what I believe was reverse engineering the case. I believe he came into the case as a judge, read the story and said, this cop he killed, he killed a guy with a cooler. And then he just was focused.
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Mike
He worked backwards from the outcome. Yeah, correct.
- [55:05]
Pat Brosnan
He reverse engineered his decision to fit with his framework of the facts, which, by the way, were completely inaccurate and proven in court. It's an unbelievable. It's probably the most devastating sentence and decision in my time in law enforcement, which is 40 years, first, worst one. And I've seen some real, real doozies in the Bronx, in Brooklyn, I can assure you of that.
- [55:29]
Mike
That's obvious. Law enforcement takes a brunt, a huge brunt when it comes to things that are done wrong or there's a lack of competence or ineptitude. And law enforcement always takes the fall. Right? That's, that's the fall boy. Whether it's a state attorney, a district attorney, a judge, whatever, wherever the, the, maybe the, the fault really lies. Kind of the frontline dudes of law enforcement take that brunt. But do you see an increase? I feel like I see an increase in the conversation and the highlighting of judges and state attorneys making like you're talking about just these ridiculous decisions. And for a long time there's really been no oversight or consequence. Right. They're just kind of like the untouchables. They have been. Do you see, like, more attention being going, hey, wait a minute, what, what's going on? And there's such a disparity. I think what becomes hard to, to kind of another caveat or an amendment to that is it's hard to do. It's already hard to be a cop. It's even harder if you're a cop that reviews case law that really tries to understand what governs our use of force decisions. And you can't. It's very difficult. If I were to read 10 cases that have similarities of use of force, I would have half of those decisions where a circuit court and an appellate court and then a Supreme Court all disagree with each other. If I got judges that can't figure out how to govern use of force, how are the cops that are reading the decisions supposed to make any sense of it?
- [56:58]
Pat Brosnan
Well, that's what. Great question and I'll get to your first question. Second. Well, the Supreme Court decided that they knew that they knew how objectively unreasonable it would be to include an officer's intent in the assessment of his decision to use deadly physical or physical force to subvert a crime. They made that decision back with Graham 45 years ago. And it's crystal clear. It's crystal clear. And this case is a textbook example, the Sergeant Ed Durant case, of that decision by the United States Supreme Court. And in Graham, the justices decreed that if the decision was objectively reasonable, in other words, if another member of law enforcement, not a civilian, another similarly trained member of law enforcement was in the exact same circumstances, would he have done the same thing to prevent what was likely crippling or maiming or murder of those other folks? And the answer is crystal clear. Of course he would have. Of course. That's what. First of all, you're mandated by the state constitution of New York. When you put your hand up at the police academy, it's not a trite matter. You're swearing to the swearing to the state constitution of the state of New York that you will protect and you will serve. So protect is clearly there, protecting not only his own team members, but the co defendant, the prisoner, the two children that were there and their parents where the cooler came from. But the serving part, Joanna, that's a big piece too. If you allow, or rather if Duran had allowed magically to get out of the way and he allowed Dupre the drug dealer to escape, escape into broader society and he reoffended, he raped a 12 year old the following Tuesday or shot a 7 month old in a stroller. Whatever the death, the death boom would land on Duran and a lieutenant and every detective there, they would be crucified for allowing an escaped prisoner to escape back into society.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Right.
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Pat Brosnan
This is after a completed felony by two completed felony buys. Because their responsibility, their accountability under the state constitution is to protect and serve. So there's that piece as well. Can't let prisons get away. What do you think, do people think that they go and they read to the blind children at the orphanage? Where do you think they go? They reoffend, they reoffend. They do stick ups, they do shootings, they do rapes. That's what they do. It's in their DNA.
- [59:47]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Just I have that quick segment, that video. So for people that are at home, it's going to go quick. But this gives you an idea of the decision that was made and how fast that's all unfolded to the Appellate Division. We'll be meeting with them in the next day or, or maybe Monday. You can see one more time, he's already speeding down the sidewalk towards people, innocent people. Detective right there to throw the cooler. So he's down here behind that tree. Like you said, he's coming, he's coming at them at that rate of speed. He's already committing like the crime. He's coming at them in a high rate of speed. Innocent people on the sidewalk and he throws the cooler at him.
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Pat Brosnan
I mean, and by the way, there's a piece that's not clear here and, and probably largely unknown to the viewing public is that the direction he is traveling on the motorcycle when he goes down is eastbound on 190 to 192 on Aqueduct Avenue in the northwest Bronx. He was on the other, he was at the corner trying to come off the curb and a radio car or a detective's car was blocking him. But he still could have got off because I saw the corner, I was there. He elected to make a U turn. He made a U turn on a 64 inch sidewalk and went east directly at Duran and the other two detectives. And my belief is that it was possibly in his mind, in his twisted mind, and he was a real reckless motorcycle rider. He had multiple steel plates in him. He had some serious, and I'm a bike rider and he had some serious accidents before. So he's a maniac on a bike. I think he wanted to get his, his compadre free because by running over the cops, that guy bolts. You know he's going to be gone, gone in the wind. He's got, I don't know if he was rear cuffed, I didn't ask. But yeah, he made a U turn up at the top of the sidewalk. So it's unbelievable.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
It's unbelievable. We'll wrap it up. That is, that is important information that again in a 15 second clip. Nobody will ever know that. Nobody on this Internet, these dead brains on the Internet will never take the time to go. He was Free and clear. He was gone. That incident occurred. The drug deal occurred, where the crash was. He fled the scene of the crash in another direction, made the conscious decision to then turn the motorcycle around and regain that high rate of speed back towards a prisoner, which we are responsible for that prisoner. For the rest, that is the most important person now. The cops are last, the prisoner and the citizens are first. He decided to stop that guy from continuing reckless endangerment to the public. That he chose to do by turning around and fleeing back towards the scene. That is his decision.
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Pat Brosnan
Absolutely critical that your listeners of viewers understand that. And to Joanna's earlier point, relative to whether there's any been any increase in highlighting horrible decisions by judges and prosecutors, I don't believe there is. But I know personally I'm going to begin doing it on my radio show, on my podcast, as well as on Fox and Newsmax. I've had it myself with it. They have to be crucified, they have to be outed. That's the trick. They have to be out. And social media is the perfect platform to out them.
- [63:01]
Mike
Yeah, I've run across. I've run across a couple of stories and that's why I bring it up. I have run across a couple where judges and their decisions and their blatant ineptitude and in application of law has been just made its way to some articles. And that's more than I've seen in the past 10 years. So I'm hopeful that it's.
- [63:20]
Pat Brosnan
Yeah, I am too. But the second piece of that, Joe, is it's, it's not just that. And I've seen those. I've read those articles and I've watched some of those shows that have mentioned that what's important is to identify what the re offenses were. So he lets John Doe out on a Monday and. And he rapes Jane Doe on Wednesday day, or murders a kid or sticks up a store and there's a bullet in somebody's head. That has to be articulated broadly, repeatedly and constantly. And the photo of that judge and the photo of that prosecutor who failed to put him behind bars for 20 years. It has to be socialized in a very meaningful way and continuously. And that's the outing. Like, why do they get a pass? You said, why do they get a pass? What's so special about them? No, bad, because if the shoe was on the other foot, my God, they excoriate the cops, they murder you. They murder you in every capacity, every single medium of reporting will devastate you, incinerate you they need the same. Exact same.
- [64:25]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yep. Well, Pat, we appreciate you coming on.
- [64:28]
Pat Brosnan
My pleasure.
- [64:29]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Knowledge and your insight is top notch. And appreciate all your service to community and for giving us your time of a day here today on Friday.
- [64:37]
Pat Brosnan
Well, my pleasure and a pleasure to meet the bride. Thank you.
- [64:40]
Mike
Likewise. Thank you.
- [64:42]
Pat Brosnan
No doubt. Great, great dialogue, guys. My pleasure. Keep up the great work, man.
- [64:47]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Thank you so much.
- [64:48]
Pat Brosnan
Judges.
- [64:50]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
We're gonna get there. We had a little vacation there last week to go up to Carolina, but I'm back and we're gonna start getting on that.
- [64:56]
Pat Brosnan
So no more Mr. Nice Guy. That's what they need, bro. They gotta be out. All right, guys, take care.
- [65:02]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Thank you.
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Mike
Hi.
- [65:03]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
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Dominic Izzo
turn my mic up. I had a flashback watching him speak. Man, the guy was like every older guy I ever grew up with in my life. Was a damn mentor at the bars I used to work at.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
He is so when I think of and going back to our time as new cops because we're the older, older dogs, that was, he was pretty much the, that was normal for that a guy in your agency around you to have that type of knowledge and insight and experience.
- [69:06]
Dominic Izzo
Thesaurus as he was speaking.
- [69:08]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, that's not normal anymore. He is an absolute like he's the exception to the rule now, like that guy. But we used to have many guys like that walking around the agency and now we have none.
- [69:18]
Dominic Izzo
It's an intelligent man.
- [69:19]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yes, yes. And he's very articulate. He knows it. And to go most guys that get up there and yap, he don't have the back. This dude was a robbery detective in New York. Shot like seven people. Been involved in many critical incidents. Worked with Giuliani to help clean up the city. Provided security at the 911 site with his private company. This dude is not somebody just Winging it. He is an absolute asset to the country, the community and obviously the show with all his knowledge.
- [69:49]
Dominic Izzo
Yeah, I was, I was.
- [69:50]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
So you gotta follow him. You gotta fly.
- [69:52]
Mike
Yeah, you're on the flat.
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Dominic Izzo
I was enjoying that. You know, I watched the, I didn't watch that, the cooler video. I didn't watch the one that you played. I, I don't, I think I saw later. Whatever I, after watching that, I'm like, that was ingenious use of force. And I am a hundred percent okay with what he did. I don't even know why I looked at that for the first, it was the first time I ever watched that specific video. And I went, why was this man in trial?
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Mike
Well, what really highlights the how ignorant the court of public opinion really is, is that people are hung up on the fact that nobody trained him to use a cooler. And we're like, yeah, that's why it's fucking amazing. Because no one trained to do that. He thought outside the box and still found a solution to a problem. And then, you know, all the mouth breathers are like. But he wasn't taught to do it. But he's had any book.
- [70:42]
Dominic Izzo
Yeah, if you're writing a summons and you're outside your car and you've got your clipboard on you and deadly forces use. Your policy says you can use your clipboard.
- [70:51]
Nick G. Money
Right.
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Dominic Izzo
Then it's a nice aluminum one. Well, nobody trained you to use that sharp corner to jam it right in their face until they're no longer.
- [70:57]
Mike
Or correct a pen in an eyeball. Or if I'm getting curb stomped, I can reach for a brick. And nobody taught me to do that.
- [71:03]
Dominic Izzo
Hanging out in black communities like that.
- [71:05]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
We never, we never, we never practice running anybody over either. But you can do that. We never had that run over the run over day at the academy. But yeah, yeah, haven't watched that video again. I'm glad you saw it the first time also. You would watch that video and think maybe it was the initial you get on the ground. Ground. He takes off. No, he already had been told to stop, went down the block, made a U turn and is going at. Coming back at them at like 35 miles an hour on a motorcycle. Everything else innocence.
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Dominic Izzo
With all those factors put into play, everything else doesn't seem as good as the cooler out. The cooler seems like the safest option. He's not going to. In front of him, he's not going to use a pistol. Not going to use pepper spray. You use pepper spray? Well, you blinded my client. My client Went into a tree and died. Same result. Taser. Will you tase my client? My client seized up. He fell off the bike or whatever it was and hit whatever and died. All of those could result at the same outcome, which proves that it wasn't the detective's fault.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, and you don't get to drive a motorcycle 35 miles an hour at the cops. The other person in custody who you're responsible for, or the 9 million people that live in New York City.
- [72:20]
Dominic Izzo
I don't even think you need to go that far. I don't think you need to go far that says apparently you do. Well, it doesn't, because the argument again, too well, get out of the way. That's the Renee good argument, right? Well, you could go. I don't. You don't need to go that far. It's. They were attempting to defeat a subject fleeing the scene. And the cooler was the safest. It was a large object hitting another large object, which is his torso, knocking him off the bike. Every result, it doesn't matter what use of force would have been done. Tackling him would have done the same thing. Pepper spray, oc, any, any other thing would have done the exact same.
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Mike
A pebble on the sidewalk could have created the same outcome. Right. Where you lose control of the bike and you fall off. Or he could have caused it by the handlebar hitting the tree as he tried to circumvent the people in the, on the sidewalk. Because apparently that's what actually did it. The handlebar caught on, hooked onto the tree and caused him to fall off.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, yeah, that was, it's mind boggling. Mind boggling because, because they're there finishing the arrest of the other guy. It's not like they put themselves there and jumped in front of the motorcycle and went stop. And it's in the middle of the road and he ran out in the road. You can start to make some arguments. If he's on the regular road, he's fleeing and you go run out in the middle of the road, you could start to make some. But on a sidewalk where you're responsible for a prisoner, you're handcuffing, you're searching, you're getting information, you're doing your arrest and this guy goes and comes back at you. You don't. What can you do? Throw the arresty on the ground and smash his skull? Like, what are the options there? The options to make sure that guy doesn't hit anybody, Which I think his option, like you said, was an excellent choice.
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Dominic Izzo
I, I, again, there is a, there's not one use of force that the department would have approved that could not have resulted in the exact same thing. So I have no idea why. I had never seen like I had seen the aftermath of the guy running the tree, but I'd never seen the cooler like that clear before. I don't know why, but I just watched it. I went, what was the issue with that? That was brilliant. It was a good issue.
- [74:12]
Mike
The issue is the judge. And we're seeing that more and more where there's, it's, it's terrifying. I honestly, I've started to feel that way but I think that it's, it should terrify cops. That even if you're well versed on the information that governs your decisions, you could still get an absolute left field judge that has no idea how to apply case law and has no idea how to apply use of force and still hem you up. It's terrifying.
- [74:36]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah.
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Dominic Izzo
I still go back to the fact that it's the cops. It's the, it's the cops who, I think that guys like that detective and the other ones like Cell and Magnano and Bruno are lambs of the slaughter. Because they're the ones that are, it's a clear cut, right? They're resulting in death and they are the ones that, because all the other cops are getting away with and nobody is, you know, we can't weed out shitty cops. Well, these are the ones we're going to make examples out of.
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Mike
So I think it almost starts to feel like that that's. It's orchestrated like it's part of the plan. Because you have, you do you have the ones that. It's obvious that there should be some question of the application of force. And those are like, yeah, nope, we're good. Covers it. It's great. Good to go. And it's. How are you assessing and evaluating this use of force and so far off. So it's, I get what you're saying, but you still have, at the end of the day, you had the judges or the state attorney reviewing the case and saying, no, these are good to go. So while the behavior was one thing, you still have the state attorney and the judges excusing the shit behavior and then crucifying. What's that?
- [75:40]
Dominic Izzo
Are they elected, the state attorney? District attorneys are elected. Are the judges as well?
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, they're elected.
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Dominic Izzo
There you go.
- [75:47]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
But you're never gonna. In New York you're only going to get that one version of the judge. So.
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Mike
But I think that's this These conversations because become so important. The problem is, is that the people that are elected pander to the constituents, which is the public opinion. The public opinion is grossly ignorant. They just say things out of feelings or they go with a herd. They have a sheep mentality. And if the larger group of people are saying or thinking this, I'm just going to get behind it because I don't know how to formulate an independent thought. And so these conversations and this, these dialogues and coming out with this information is so important. And although you get sandblasted initially because you go against the grain, allowing people to just continue to foster wrong and incorrect opinions based on wrong information, opinions can be wide, but it should at least be informed and based on some presence of fact. And that's not happening. You just have people saying for any reason because they heard it once before, they have a feeling about it. No one's reading anything, no one's fact checking anything. Just like having that rule. It's an established rule. We've talked about the bat thing about the prior incident. And people are like, no, it's.
- [76:51]
Nick G. Money
That's.
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Mike
You don't have to. You can't take into account what happened before. It's literally a Supreme Court established rule that prior behavior, prior violence, even if it's not 12 minutes ago, even if it was a week ago, even if it was a month ago, can come in and should be assessed for the defendant's state of mind and whether or not it plays into a reasonable use of force. You have people going, no, you can't take that into account, like because some moron and Instagram said it.
- [77:18]
Dominic Izzo
It's not totality of the circumstances, it's partiality of the curse.
- [77:23]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
So obviously New York's falling apart. So I got two videos from New York to show what happened to me. And you know, cops get. Cops are responsible for everything. They're responsible to not throw the cooler, do everything perfect, make sure that guy is in custody. Nice and neat. Deal with the politicians, deal with the judges, deal with the community, and then deal with crime. And here's two videos that are. I'm gonna play one. It's just little reckless. Then I'm gonna play a second one. So this is, this is what's going on in New York right now. Recklessness in a city full of millions. You gonna stop this guy? You gonna throw a cooler? What are you gonna do? This guy's running stop signs, driving the bike lane. Oh, you yell, not, not too crazy. But this one.
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Dominic Izzo
What do you mean not too crazy?
- [78:07]
Nick G. Money
That's about.
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Dominic Izzo
That's.
- [78:09]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I mean it's New York.
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Mike
He's fallen into the narrative.
- [78:14]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I think you should. My opinion in that case, you should be able to blow the passenger window with a 12 gauge shotgun and stop that car. That's what I think.
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Dominic Izzo
Then the problem is the vehicle is going to stop into something else or
- [78:24]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
you crash into them and stop it. Either way you gotta stop them. Right?
- [78:26]
Dominic Izzo
Yeah. Be good with hey sacrifice of the person who we ran into was worth the, you know, 100 lives.
- [78:32]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
And then here's another viral video coming out of New York that's been all over the Internet.
- [78:39]
Mike
Right now.
- [78:40]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Right?
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Dominic Izzo
Do it.
- [78:42]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No, no. You stand right here. Female trying to cross the street. I guess this guy harassed her about want her phone number. And then this is the encounter that occurred. He's staying right here.
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Mike
Well, no, he got your.
- [79:03]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Kicked in the head. That was the United States of America.
- [79:10]
Dominic Izzo
Don't. Don't mischaracterize it. That was not a kick in the head. That was a stomp in the head.
- [79:14]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah.
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Dominic Izzo
That is black culture. That is American black culture. You do not see another group of people from their specific race that does that. That is black culture in America.
- [79:23]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
No one else. That all that all started over asking for a number, phone number. And then you have a person recording and you have them egging it on. That to me is. That's like a temp. That's attempted. That's. That's the guy that should get nine years in prison right there shouldn't.
- [79:36]
Dominic Izzo
That's a guy who. Other American citizens should come up and that guy should have had his guts and teeth stomped out. See, we. I have a very big problem with cops administering punishment. I don't like it at all. Because they need to be fair, impartial, do the job. American citizens administering punishment. We don't have enough of that shit. We do not have enough. We needed more males on that scene showing up. That guy doesn't have that person who did that serves no purpose on this planet. He is beyond rehabilitation. His life should be void. He should have been executed on the street right after that. I have no idea why that man give you.
- [80:16]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I'm going to give you one name that makes that almost impossible. Was it Daniel Penny? Daniel Penny took action in the city of New York by putting a chokehold on a criminal on a subway that was assaulting innocent people. Got indicted. He got found not guilty, thank God.
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Dominic Izzo
But moving away from the blacks. And it's as simple as that.
- [80:33]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
But it's simple as that. He Went hands on in New York doing the right thing. Which you're right, all American males should see a female or any person of getting assaulted for no reason getting curb stomped. And that person that did that should be, well, ready to transport when the police or the ambulance arrived because they're not moving. That should happen.
- [80:56]
Dominic Izzo
This is my other problem is I, I didn't, I didn't comment on the video.
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Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
I didn't. I did.
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Dominic Izzo
Because now with how damn good AI is, I'm wondering how many videos are going to be circulated and you're going to get the impulse. People like when I first saw it, I went, oh, this guy, that guy
- [81:11]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
should have been dead.
- [81:12]
Dominic Izzo
How many people. Are they looking to sit there and create videos to create that kind of visceral reaction so that people will go out and bounce against one another?
- [81:20]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, warfare. Well, you. We were talking about a story with Chat GBT and AI recently.
- [81:26]
Mike
Yeah. Have you seen the one at the FSU shooting that happened a couple years ago? There's now a criminal investigation being opened up by the Attorney General of Florida. Up Meyer into Chat GPT and open AI because the shooter. What's that? Did I send it to you?
- [81:40]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah.
- [81:41]
Mike
Okay. Yeah. Whether it's. And just like with the Internet we were talking about earlier, there's, there's, there's a, A delay in the law. Right. Catching up to technology and the Internet and everything that goes on with that. So I think it's exactly what you're saying, but also it highlights the normalization that that violence is taking in this country where people just watch it. But I think that that lends to people being less outraged about things that they would have been outraged before. And so we accept a level of behavior and that's why cops are demonized for taking action against violent suspects, because violent behavior is now being normalized as well. Just let them be violent. They have. It's. At some point someone's going to say that you have an American right, a constitutional right to be violent. Right. So we're normalizing this.
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Dominic Izzo
It's both sides. And that's why I keep saying the cops are the greatest human beings in the planet because they're the ones that see something like that. They can't, they can't do what I want to do, which is, you know, strangle the life out of that human being. They have to give him his day in court. The other problem is on the other side of that spectrum of the desensitate. Desensitis. Desensitizing.
- [82:49]
Mike
Yes.
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Dominic Izzo
You get people like me that maybe for years we defended certain cultures. Now we're like don't care. Wall it all off. Let them murder each other. They I have no, no love for this community again until they learn how to behave themselves.
- [83:04]
Mike
And it seems like this country just operates on the pendulum system where we allow things to get completely out of control and then we have a hammer fist reaction and then it goes the other way where we're completely almost to the in the commie world of control and then it goes the other way. This is pendulum effect where we overreact and it's really hard for us to find some balance of how humans are supposed to behave.
- [83:25]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah, I got a perfect transition into that. So let's look at this story right here. Driver who killed one sheriff recruit and injured 24 others pleads not guilty to no prison time.
- [83:37]
Mike
Please. Guilty.
- [83:38]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Guilty. I'm sorry. To no prison time. So here's the story. Back in 2022 in California, Nicholas Gutierrez reportedly drove the wrong way on a road and killed a recruit. And there were 25 other Los Angeles county sheriff's deputy recruits on this vehicle. He got an eight year suspended sentence and will serve zero jail time. And that's where I go into guys driving the wrong way. Intent, no intent, whatever. He caused a huge problem incident kills an innocent person. I guess the recruit thing is in there. It makes it a little more juicy but just take that out of it. It's not even a police recruit. But here's a guy who can recklessly put people in danger, crash into somebody, kill somebody, no jail time. A cop has a fleeing felon with a record as long as a Monday throws a cooler in the and tries to stop a more danger. Three to nine years in prison.
- [84:33]
Dominic Izzo
Yeah, but that same argument. The same argument is the kid got lost, didn't realize he was on a one way street, was in a neighborhood he didn't know wasn't his intent, blah blah versus the cop said this end I can't stand it. I want to throw a killer and cool him or cooler and kill him. So yeah if, if that's the way that intent needs to not matter at all. And people both cops and civilians. No you you sorry you did it and yeah, and we'd be living in North Korea.
- [85:02]
Mike
I think. I think where the intent comes in and where it's separated is that usually 99.8% of the time cops actions are in reaction to another action. So whatever our, our action is usually a response to resistance or a response to some threat. So that's where that intent is removed and whether or not it's objectively reasonable comes in and the initial action of a suspect or criminal intent comes into play because they are the initiator of whatever the action or threat is. And so intent has some level of, of involvement.
- [85:34]
Dominic Izzo
Yeah, I think it's going to be based on your environment too. You know, it's like if you're always screwed over by women and then you start treating women like. It's like, well, this, this one's different. Well, my environment has always been screwed. Screwed over by women. Look at that cop who was in Houston who just got fired for the racist try tirade. Yeah, I watched it. I went, what's the big deal? She's saying what 99 of them think anyways. So it's like when you're in that, when you're in that environment and you're seeing the worst of the worst. I had a, I, I don't talk to him. My uncle is a retired Chicago fired apartment lieutenant from the Cabrini Green household. And he was there from the 70s through the, the 90s, and he saw it before it got torn down. Right. They just the worst of the worst element on the planet. And you could picture what his favorite word was, Chicago firefighter, because that's what he was around, you know, 24 hours on, 48 hours off, blah, blah, blah. And the cops were no better. So it's like when you're in that environment and you're still doing the job, you know, you can't, you cannot separate your intent from the reaction. You know it. And that's, that's, again, that's why I think cops are at. They're the best human beings. You can hate this group of people. Hate this group of, Hate this group of people. And you're still going out of your way to serve them more than anybody else will.
- [86:51]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
So they spend more time in those areas. Oh, 100 more time. Right. Dude, how many patrol cars we have, we have an area on the beach that every house in there is probably 2.5, $3 million or more. How many cop cars you think have driven in there the last year? I would say zero. Probably zero. There's a gate. Yeah. Other than that there's a gate. There's, there's, there's zero. But then there's places that have more crime. So there's going to be more cops. And you're right. You would, I would say cops will spend more time with certain groups of people and around certain groups of people than they will others.
- [87:26]
Mike
And on on the topic of the chick that went on a rant and got herself fired, it'll be interesting. And that always depends on how people respond to being fired or you know, something negative happening to them. But sometimes I don't know that cops understand that they have a First amendment right and that actually applies to them unlike private entities or private companies. There was one, and it's escaping me right now, but there was a dude that made. I don't know if he was out west, but made a comment on social media about Black Lives Matter and doing something to members of Black Lives Matter. Again, I'm not going to try to quote it because I don't remember it exactly. I'd have to pull it up. But he lost his job and then it got reinstated.
- [88:04]
Nick G. Money
Right.
- [88:04]
Mike
Because he had a First Amendment protection to say what he said. There is a limitation. What you say cannot be directly related or involved to your own administration. Right. But if you're making some generalized statement about anything that has to do with government or opinions about society, those things there, there, there is more latitude given to cops for First Amendment protections than your average citizen and what their private job allows.
- [88:31]
Dominic Izzo
She was also in a private. That was like for. Her stories were for friends only. So she got ratted out by somebody.
- [88:37]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Yeah.
- [88:37]
Dominic Izzo
But again I'm. I get it. I wouldn't want her working because it shows that hey right. You feel that way. You, we can't trust you. You know, you can feel that way, keep your mouth shut, do the job. But. And she also is conduct on becoming. But yeah, First Amendment issue. I, I just didn't like how many people were just crucifying her left and right. And I'm like you would say.
- [88:58]
Mike
And I'm not this in, in in bringing that up. That's not me defending or exonerating or. It's not. It's not. But I, I like to speak about things that are from a. A non biased impartial approach to things. And when, if, if law is law and facts are facts, then we should deal in those more than the gray area of just feelings and opinion.
- [89:18]
Dominic Izzo
Yeah, I, I think law enforcement would go so much easier if we actually recognized pattern recognition and cultural behavior in correlation to crimes and racism. I think we'll be a so much easier world if that was allowed.
- [89:32]
Nick G. Money
Yeah.
- [89:32]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Well, Dominic, I appreciate you coming on and I'm not gonna drop the word. I know you're not. Not now. So we appreciate you got your, you want to plug your show tonight. Who you got on tonight?
- [89:42]
Dominic Izzo
No, tonight I'm Actually taking the night off. I got some work to do.
- [89:45]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
You had Lance Fisher on, didn't you?
- [89:47]
Dominic Izzo
That was two weekends ago. Two weeks ago.
- [89:49]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
How's that go? How'd that go?
- [89:50]
Dominic Izzo
Uh, great. Oh, my God. Is he just.
- [89:53]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
He's starting to do a little auditing, which I like. He's not a real aggressive guy like Sean, but he's like, he's smart. So I saw him go up there and kind of walk around the parking lots and doing all that. But you'll be back next week. All right, thank you. Thank you so much, Dominic, for coming on.
- [90:07]
Dominic Izzo
Later, guys.
- [90:08]
Mike
Hi, Dominic.
- [90:09]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
All right. I have a doctor's appointment at 1. Tyler is short and not here. So we are going to roll Friday with long week. I hope we entertained you this week. We were on the run. We had all kinds of. Some people were saying that we lost our studio. We were homeless because of our backdrop during the week because we were on the road. But instead of just going on vacation or going out of town and doing that, we made sure we broadcast it every day. And we appreciate each and every one of you for tuning in all week. Shout out to like Clint and his family again, one more time. Shout out to Ja for always being in the chat.
- [90:43]
Mike
And I know that we don't get the comments a lot, especially they're not super chats, but I did see one roll by that asked me if I'm back to work yet. I'm not. I go for a follow up here in a couple weeks and we'll see what happens after that.
- [90:56]
Host (possibly Tyler or main show host)
Clint, Ja, Tristan, Mish Man, Mike, Fritz, all the boys. We appreciate you guys so much. If I missed you, it's because I don't like you. Just kidding, Jake. Everybody, we appreciate the week. Will we be back? Unless there's emergency broadcast this weekend, but you never know. There could be. We'll be back Monday morning at 11am for the broadcast. I'll be back in studio. Tyler will be there as well. So we'll see you guys soon. Take care. Jv team for life.