Special Forces Medic

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Antihero Podcast - Episode: Special Forces Medic

Release Date: July 21, 2025

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Introduction

In this special episode of The Antihero Podcast, hosts Brent Tucker and Tyler are joined by their old friend and guest, Chris Eisenhower. Chris brings a wealth of experience as a Special Forces (SF) Medic, and the trio delves deep into military training, deployments, medical careers within the SF, and the critical importance of mental health and neuroplasticity.

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Reconnecting and Shared History (00:00 - 11:39)

The episode kicks off with Brent and Tyler reminiscing about their shared past in the Special Forces, highlighting their journey through selection and training. They reflect on the camaraderie and challenges faced together.

Brent Tucker [00:50]: "An appropriate level of inappropriateness. Something happens in my family tonight. The Delta Force isn't coming to rescue my, my family might get like it is. First responders that are, that are going to save my, my family."

Chris introduces himself, detailing his transition from Delta Force to a Physician Assistant (PA) role within a Special Forces battalion.

Chris Eisenhower [11:19]: "We were not Green Berets together. Aspiring Green beret together. Just hoping for our chance to go to selection."

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Military Training and Selection Stories (11:40 - 30:08)

Chris shares his challenging experience during the Special Forces selection process, including a mishap with his vision correction that temporarily booted him from training.

Chris Eisenhower [13:07]: "I went to jump school. Do my first jump. Glasses fly off my face, made like I hit the ground. Can't see a thing. Nothing. I'm like, oh, how am I gonna get off this DZ?"

The conversation moves to anecdotes about life in the barracks, interactions with sergeants, and the rigorous demands of Special Forces training.

Brent Tucker [26:12]: "They are part of the Alpha company. It's a team of warriors."

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Deployments and Operational Insights (30:09 - 50:00)

Chris recounts his deployments to Afghanistan, detailing his roles and the intense operational environments he operated in. He emphasizes the importance of teamwork and adaptability in combat situations.

Chris Eisenhower [35:25]: "They are the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Like, we'll do anything for you. Get shirt off your back."

The discussion touches on the dynamics of Special Forces units, leadership roles, and the personal growth experienced through these high-stress missions.

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Transition to Medical Roles and PA Training (50:01 - 72:21)

Transitioning from combat roles to medical positions, Chris explains his journey into becoming a PA. He highlights the rigorous academic and clinical training required, drawing parallels between military discipline and medical expertise.

Chris Eisenhower [67:57]: "The Army's PA program is a phenomenal program, but it takes everything that sucks about the army and everything that sucks about college and puts it in one thing."

Brent shares his experiences with hormone therapy, discussing the impact of testosterone levels on mental and physical health.

Brent Tucker [86:11]: "I know you're going through it, so let's talk about that life."

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Mental Health, Neuroplasticity, and Innovative Treatments (72:22 - 123:04)

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to mental health, discussing the prevalence of PTSD, TBI, and the stigma surrounding seeking help. Chris introduces the concept of neuroplasticity and its role in healing trauma through innovative treatments like ketamine therapy.

Chris Eisenhower [80:05]: "Neuroplasticity is the brain's ability to reorganize itself by forming new neural connections throughout life."

The hosts delve into the use of ketamine as a treatment for PTSD, explaining its mechanism in inducing a hyper neuroplastic state to facilitate effective therapy.

Chris Eisenhower [90:01]: "We're inducing this conscious sedation. You're just like if you went to the dentist and you consciously sedated to take your wisdom teeth out or whatever. Same thing."

Brent and Chris discuss the challenges of modern mental health issues exacerbated by social media, reduced human connection, and societal pressures. They advocate for a more integrated approach to behavioral health, combining traditional therapy with biochemical interventions.

Brent Tucker [95:37]: "Most men need to suck it up. But maybe another bad example of it, which is this, when someone fat comes in, what they're looking for is everything else other than what their problem is."

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Personal Stories and Reflections (123:05 - 133:48)

The conversation turns personal as Brent shares his struggles with low testosterone and its effects on his wellbeing. Chris provides insights from his practice, emphasizing the importance of balanced hormone levels for mental and physical health.

Brent Tucker [98:33]: "I was completely miserable due to low testosterone."

Chris elaborates on the interconnectedness of various health factors, such as vitamin D, K2, and cholesterol, and how modern diets have impacted overall health.

Chris Eisenhower [107:03]: "Our food in the United States is garbage. It's absolute hot garbage."

Their dialogue underscores the significance of understanding and managing one's health proactively to maintain peak performance and mental resilience.

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Innovations in Medical Practice and Community Support (133:49 - 134:09)

In the concluding remarks, Chris introduces his medical practice, Emerald Medical, and discusses ongoing initiatives like Operation Field Trip, which provides free ketamine and behavioral health treatments for veterans and first responders.

Chris Eisenhower [116:03]: "Any vet or first responder that shows up, we will give them ketamine treatments and behavioral health treatments for free."

Brent expresses his admiration and support for Chris's endeavors, highlighting the positive impact of such initiatives on the community.

Brent Tucker [134:05]: "I love what you're doing, Chris. Man, I couldn't be more proud of you."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Antihero Podcast offers an unfiltered and in-depth exploration of the life of a Special Forces Medic, the challenges of military training and deployments, and the critical intersection between military service and medical practice. Brent, Tyler, and Chris provide valuable insights into mental health, innovative treatments, and the importance of community support, making it a compelling listen for anyone interested in the realities of military medicine and the pursuit of holistic health.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Brent Tucker [00:50]: "An appropriate level of inappropriateness. Something happens in my family tonight. The Delta Force isn't coming to rescue my, my family might get like it is. First responders that are, that are going to save my, my family."

• Chris Eisenhower [11:19]: "We were not Green Berets together. Aspiring Green beret together. Just hoping for our chance to go to selection."

• Chris Eisenhower [13:07]: "I went to jump school. Do my first jump. Glasses fly off my face, made like I hit the ground. Can't see a thing."

• Brent Tucker [26:12]: "They are part of the Alpha company. It's a team of warriors."

• Chris Eisenhower [35:25]: "They are the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Like, we'll do anything for you. Get shirt off your back."

• Brent Tucker [86:11]: "I know you're going through it, so let's talk about that life."

• Chris Eisenhower [80:05]: "Neuroplasticity is the brain's ability to reorganize itself by forming new neural connections throughout life."

• Chris Eisenhower [90:01]: "We're inducing this conscious sedation. You're just like if you went to the dentist and you consciously sedated to take your wisdom teeth out or whatever. Same thing."

• Brent Tucker [95:37]: "Most men need to suck it up. But maybe another bad example of it..."

• Brent Tucker [98:33]: "I was completely miserable due to low testosterone."

• Chris Eisenhower [107:03]: "Our food in the United States is garbage. It's absolute hot garbage."

• Chris Eisenhower [116:03]: "Any vet or first responder that shows up, we will give them ketamine treatments and behavioral health treatments for free."

• Brent Tucker [134:05]: "I love what you're doing, Chris. Man, I couldn't be more proud of you."

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting the key discussions and personal insights shared by the hosts and their guest. Whether you're a veteran, first responder, or someone interested in the complexities of military medicine and mental health, this episode offers valuable perspectives and actionable insights.

Transcript

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So the reason your shit is brown is because you're shitting out red blood cells. A red blood cell lives between 90 and 120 days. When you are younger, you metabolize through them and break them down faster. Because you are a younger man, your body, those, those processes in your body are more efficient. But when you boost your testosterone to the levels of 19, your erythropoietin and all the other stuff that's in your body doesn't catch up. You don't magically move your bowels faster, do all this stuff. So you have these, Are they like just this extra sludge in the tank?

[Brent Tucker]

Chris, I'm not just saying this because you're my friend. It's just easier to say it because you're my friend. I love the way you break things down.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Thanks.

[Tyler]

We now know. Hold on, we're not recording. Do you want to buy a shirt.

[Chris Eisenhower]

To support military dance?

[Tyler]

People want to see their sausage get made.

[Brent Tucker]

An appropriate level of inappropriateness. Something happens in my family tonight. The Delta Force isn't coming to rescue my, my family might get like it is. First responders that are, that are going to save my, my family.

[Tyler]

They want the culture to be down. They want people to not want to be cops. And the people that do want to be cops are now walking into the job scared to do the job.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm going to try to act like it didn't happen. Although we, we all know it did.

[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

You want to do the test recording with that we're doing now.

[Tyler]

No, I did it for you.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Tyler]

We'll sabotaged your mic so now you're super low.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, that's okay. I will fix it.

[Tyler]

You see the whole episode like that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Anchorman quotes.

[Tyler]

We quote Anchorman a lot.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. How can you not?

[Tyler]

Especially when Drew reads the comments. But Drew just reads it. What's in front of him.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he'll read what's ever on the screen.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The.

[Brent Tucker]

I can't believe you're already here once and I wasn't even here. Yeah, that's. I don't. I don't miss a lot of lives. I really don't like. I've only.

[Tyler]

It was just that one month. Yeah, it was. What was it? June?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that was busy. June. Yeah, I was. I don't want to get into it too much, but. Yeah, it hurt my feelings.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The one. You're here.

[Brent Tucker]

You know what you did.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, I do.

[Brent Tucker]

You know. You know. You know one. Right. But she did it anyway. I expect a Tim Kennedy quality apology from you. I want you to fully take responsibility unequivocally on something that you may or may not have done directly or indirectly by mistake by coming on a Thursday Night Live without me. And then I'll somehow be expected to accept that apology. Wouldn't be accepted anywhere in the world.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Try.

[Brent Tucker]

Try giving that apology to your girlfriend or your wife may or may not have. That's. That's really. That's where all apology letters. That. That. That's. That's where the threshold trying to convince that babe read this. Is this an apology? She'll let you know what an apology is.

[Tyler]

And then if you're asked at any point today for a funny story, you know, don't hesitate to bring up people in your past that you partied with.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, man. Ah, we did have.

[Brent Tucker]

Gosh, we had some good times. When's the last time we saw each other? I don't even know if I could pinpoint it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, I mean the last time that I really saw you, I mean, we talked on the phone, but like. Yeah, yeah, like jsoc, Skyped or whatever. One day from when you're on Giant. Yeah, whatever skip you were in. Yeah, that's about it.

[Brent Tucker]

It's been a hot minute.

[Tyler]

How long ago was that?

[Chris Eisenhower]

I mean, five years ago, we talked on the phone pretty. I don't know, a couple of Every couple months.

[Brent Tucker]

Pretty much.

[Chris Eisenhower]

But at least texted.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. You know, I don't. Do you remember? Gosh, got to think of his name. Ended up going warrant intel support guy. Adam. What's. Yeah, what's. What was his nickname? Pork Chop. You know, ran into Pork Chop in Syria.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I can see that. Yeah, yeah. He's a.

[Brent Tucker]

Invited me out there to the. To his CIA compound and I was. And running in or out of her beels like, yeah, I'll come see you. Love to come say hi to you.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Now he's like the. The mall dives or some like that's his new assignment. Oh, really?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, Jason. Jason's. Well, he's still working for the agency. Just won't say his last name. But I ran into him overseas. The old 20th group. Mafia, I'm telling you, runs deep. 20th group is everywhere. It's really is surprising of it. The amount of connections 20th group paths is.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's crazy. Like, it's been. It just running into dudes like everywhere you go. But you're also always like one or two degrees of separation from anybody you want to find for sure. Any place.

[Brent Tucker]

I was just talking to a guy about a Ukrainian operation and I, you know, want to know a little bit more about it. He's like, yeah, this guy, John Nettles coordinated this was like. I know John.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Just.

[Brent Tucker]

Just a classic 20th group old school guy who's connected in the contract world to everything.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Everything.

[Brent Tucker]

He's been doing it for a long time.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Like running, contracting, coming back to drill, contract.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, what are you doing?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Why do you have this giant beard? I'm a contractor.

[Brent Tucker]

Or his own contracts. He ran his own company. He did a lot of things.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Anyway, is the little microphone all the way to the edge of the table? Yeah, let's get it to the edge. How's that? Just.

[Brent Tucker]

Just because it's black and phallic. Don't be scared of it.

[Tyler]

It's intimidating.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Don't judge.

[Brent Tucker]

Intimidating.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Don't judge.

[Tyler]

Never go back.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, never do.

[Tyler]

Never do.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, I've done a lot of hernia checks as a doctor. You got what you got.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. You know, kind of just gonna pull up your. Your inner former male cheerleader and get. And get close to that thing, will you?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Talk about that all you want. That will never offend me.

[Brent Tucker]

I know. I'll. We'll have a story about that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, yes.

[Brent Tucker]

You're the second male cheerleader we've had on the episode the other day. Green Beret male cheerleader. He went to first group and he was. Oregon is that where he was at? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he loved it. Again, unashamed of it. He's like completely.

[Chris Eisenhower]

He had such a. Completely unashamed.

[Brent Tucker]

And when he said that, because I knew you, I'm like, no, I get it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I get it, actually.

[Brent Tucker]

You all ready?

[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Tyler]

Start going till like two in the morning.

[Brent Tucker]

You, you may recognize our guest today from the live. You were already on a live before without me. No, no big deal. Just because we're old, old friends doesn't mean you can come on a show that I'm on without me. That's. I think that's normal. It's probably fine. Fine. I haven't forgot about it. Trying to. I'm trying to, but I haven't forgot about it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I've got an apology letter, statement, if you will.

[Brent Tucker]

And with us, we have backstabbing Chris Eisenhower, old, old friend of mine.

[Chris Eisenhower]

We.

[Brent Tucker]

We were. We were not Green Berets together.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, we were UN Green Berets. Like, shit shows.

[Brent Tucker]

Aspiring Green bra together. Just hoping for our chance to go to selection. Just so many stories from that alone. We both ended up going to selection, making it through the Q course, and had our own careers. He is also currently. He's was an 18 Delta, transitioned over to be a PA for a group. He's now a battalion. Battalion. PA for an SF battalion. He's also the CEO of Emerald Medical and even spent some time as a JSOC medical officer.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Dude. Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Welcome to the show, Chris.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, it's good to be here.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, also, I'm sorry. Former college cheerleader extraordinaire.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, go Knowles as well.

[Brent Tucker]

It's. We'll just call it college. I don't even want to say the name of the Florida State. Bring that Florida State trash. This Gator podcast.

[Chris Eisenhower]

How dare you.

[Tyler]

This college.

[Brent Tucker]

So that's how this podcast is gonna go. That's. Man, I thought. I thought it felt different just because we hadn't seen each other for a long time. But then I realized it's because you are different now. You're an officer. I don't even know you anymore.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I know. I went to the dark side. It was. That was going to bullock.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The E7 18 Delta was a significant. You know, from that to Bolik was a significant emotional event. Sure. It's like.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm sure the. We'll get to that. I don't want to get off, you know, off the timeline. I just had to make my jab.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's. Let's start from the beginning as far as. No, let's start before we met, because I don't even know if I know this. Where were you before we met? Where'd you start out at?

[Tyler]

Where'd you come from?

[Brent Tucker]

Were you. You're an 18x ray.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So when. When we met, I had probably been in the Guard, like, a month.

[Brent Tucker]

No, hold on. It just hit me. It just hit me because you were. Is why I. Because you were an 11. Bravo. Because. All right, I gotta. I gotta try to, like, paint this picture. You're an 18x, but you weren't. Because you kind of had an interesting.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, path.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I mean.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes. Yes, absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

So tell that story how you're an 18x, but you're kind of in love and. Bravo, actually. And that. What the story. I don't want to tell.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I want you to tell, like, the Afghanistan story.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay. So 11 Bravo, we're in QPS together. We go off to the Q course together to start great things with Sopsy and all this. So I'd gone into. I'd started. I got a kind of head of Brent. I was going to go to the Q course. Well, my dumbass. I want to say dumbass, but. So I went to jump school. Do my first jump. Glasses fly off my face, made like I hit the ground. Can't see a thing. Nothing. I'm like, oh, how am I gonna get off this dz?

[Brent Tucker]

So.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So I took. I had leave before I went to the Q course. So I go and I got. I'm on leave. And I was like, I'm gonna go get Lasik. Nobody. This is 2003.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Army was frowning on this at the time. Someone got it, you know, and they got up the via in qp and they're like, all right, we gotta go do your SF physical. Like, cool. Went through. Did my SF physical. Like, 2020 vision. Boom. Go off, do great things. Somehow the SF physical that got lost from basic training showed up with my new SF physical. And one. I'm like, blind as a bat.

[Brent Tucker]

One.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I got 2020 vision. Go into the doctor's office. He's like, what happened to you? I was like, it's a miracle. He's like, no, motherfucker out. So, boom, they. So they boot me from training. And, I mean, it was a big deal getting corrective vision for getting my vision corrected. Boot me from training that you paid for yourself. Paid for myself.

[Tyler]

You wanted to be more operational and not lose your glasses.

[Brent Tucker]

So can't make it up.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No. So they boot me from training. Go up. Go to the board. Like, you're never getting back in. You know, it's an integrity violation. You're like, you know, it's like, okay, sure, whatever. Go. They're never gonna let you back in.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember, like, what. Why they. Why they hated it so much? What they have against. They have, like, their reason.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, yeah. So as a medically now, I've gone through all, like, understand case studies on. They had one single case study of a guy that somebody essentially had climbed Mount Everest and his eye froze and the LASIK flap fell off. That was their single case study of why you should not do this.

[Tyler]

Relatable.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So I don't know what to say to that. I don't.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So just, you know, if there's a mission. Army. The army does army, man. That's what we do, right? So we go. And so then I meet Brent. So I'm back and I've gone through. And like, so we meet up. We're. They're letting me go through NQP training. Like, okay, well, we're gonna try to send you back like them. We're, you know, they're gonna do the units doing the paperwork. I've got a good enough reputation for them. They're like, all right, keep doing your thing.

[Brent Tucker]

So he's selected, but he's still on a qualified Green Beret. So he's still in the NQP portion, which I was in. I hadn't even been to selection.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I wasn't even a selection.

[Brent Tucker]

You. You hadn't done selection.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Booted, right? Like, the day. First day of selection, they booted me. Like, I showed up on the bus and they were like, nope, you're out. So I didn't even go on to selection yet either. So I'm retraining. We're going to go to selection together. That's the whole.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You went to.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, this is where I got my. I'm getting. It's been a while. I went to airborne school after selection, but because you're an 18x ray, I.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Had our airborne school already.

[Brent Tucker]

You. You had it through the. The OSINT or whatever like you want to call it. Airborne school is part of, like, basic training. Straight to Airborne, Straight to Airborne Y. Got it, got it, got it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So we go back up there. I'm gonna start over. They're like, going with them. Get there, and they're like, no hard pass. Like, we. We've signed a lease. We have rented a house. We've signed a lease on a house. Like, yeah, we're the cuco. So you are not. Oh, so.

[Brent Tucker]

But you're on orders.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I was on orders.

[Brent Tucker]

So a federalized order and backup, just like a whole, like a whole picture are. Even though we're not qualified, our. Our company got deployed to go to war. And so they pulled us on onto those orders, even though we're not going to war with them. It was an easy way to pull us on active duty orders to go up to Fort Bragg to get on the Q, you know, to go to. To go to Selection, go to the Q course on their mobilized orders. Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So it's like a. A hack around funding.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, essentially. Right?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Well, yeah, they're. They're like, nope, not happening. It's like, great. So the sergeant major at the time, awesome dude. He. We're walking out of this meeting where I. I've just got my soul crushed, right. I'm like, I'm out of the army.

[Brent Tucker]

One of ours. You remember what sergeant Major was?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Andy Anderson.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And crazy. I got some funny other stories about him. Just a random. Small world, but they.

[Brent Tucker]

So closer to the mic.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So there we go. So he tells me. He's like, he looks at me, he's like, him, you want to go to Afghanistan? I was like, what? He's like, I'll just put you on oda. He's like, I'll just ojt you over there. And he did put me on Bird. I called, I called my mom. I was like, hey, I know I told you was moving. Going to Fort Brad, go training. I'm leaving for Afghanistan in two days.

[Tyler]

Whoa.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And I went right.

[Brent Tucker]

And because we were on those orders essentially to go to af, those mobilization orders.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was just there. It was, it just worked out.

[Brent Tucker]

It was primed. Like he could just, he could go. I just, he was already on orders.

[Chris Eisenhower]

As an 11 Bravo non qualified dude. Went to Afghanistan with an SF company, was on their B team, got moved out to. It was, it was absolutely the best. You talk about eye opening events in my life. Like, I wanted to be an SF guy. When I got back from that, I knew I had to be an SF guy. I was like, this is phenomenal. Like, it was like one of those things where you like kind of read about it, think, okay, it's going. Yeah, it's game changer. It was amazing. So we got to.

[Brent Tucker]

So many things. Let's rewind just a second before we got. It was a pretty nice house. It was a great house for, for bachelor status. Like, yeah, other guys would come to our house, but it was a nice house. And you know, like, at first it was me, you and Teddy. Was Teddy on the first. Oh, no, Mongo. Teddy replaced Mongo, I think. So me, you and Mongo pulled our BAH together to get a nice place.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And rather than make money of sorts, we might even lost a little bit of money at the time. It was kind of expensive, but it was nice. It was worth it. But before that, we were living in World War II barracks with, with, with the ODAs that were training up to go to leave. So when they left, we lost our barracks.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And then we had to go. We did go get a house.

[Tyler]

Were you able to keep BAH coming in while you were in the barracks?

[Brent Tucker]

Yes, if I remember right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Because one of our mobilization Orders.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, we're on mo border. So the BH was for home of record.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So it's this crazy thing, right? Well, then it was for.

[Brent Tucker]

It was for the rent I was paying back home.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The. Exactly. The. The other. One of the funniest things, like, funniest things I've heard anybody say my entire military career happened while we were on that doing. We were doing a detail. So we got stuck doing an ammo detail over the weekend. Teams are all training. There's a semi truck full of rounds. They leave us like five NQPs. You like, you guys are camping on this range all weekend? Okay, great. Right.

[Brent Tucker]

I got out of that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So we're sitting there, we're sitting on this range and one of the sfds is like, they gave us a Beretta with five bullets in it. Like, if anybody steals this ammo, shoot yourself.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, I love JV Team for life. Tyler, how many critical incidents do you think we've covered so far in this podcast, man?

[Tyler]

At least five, six.

[Brent Tucker]

And they're not going to stop, you know, there's. You cannot stop them all. So they're going to happen. And you really have, you know, two charters at that. Obviously, one is to stop them from happening. But since you can't stop them all from happening, you owe it to the people that you protect and depend on you to react to those situations in the most effective and efficient manner. And right now, really, whether, you know, you're a fire department, ems, law enforcement, you're stuck with essentially radios.

[Tyler]

And Apollo is the best way to manage resources during these events because it's designed by first responders for first responders.

[Brent Tucker]

It gives first responders a common operating picture which allows them to see where everybody is in real time, overlaid onto a map to see where they are. You can drop pinpoints and let them know where they need to go. And without constant talking on the radio, everybody knows where the incident is, where it's happening, and where they need to be.

[Tyler]

Apollo's an app based application. This is just download and go.

[Brent Tucker]

It's an app and so it works with androids, it works with iPhones.

[Tyler]

Apollo makes sure on the back end, everything works and you can just plug and go. They handle all the licensing, all the encryption compliance, all the security. It's all handled by Apollo. It's crucial to know where everyone is and what they are doing in order to effectively control chaos in one of these, either natural disasters or shootings or anything like that.

[Brent Tucker]

So if you want to learn more about Apollo Scan the QR code and ensure your department is ready to react to any crisis in its most effective and efficient manner possible.

[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

It's so funny because, like, at the time, again, like, we're in qps, we're about to go to selection. We're about to go like, we wanted to be these guys.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Join the. Kind of. Join the club. Get into the club.

[Brent Tucker]

And those guys were the Green Brays you wanted to be. Yeah, like a 320 was stacked full of studs.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was. It was like nom guys. Like, there's just experience, like, decades of, like, experience.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I told Sean Keane the story when he was. When he was here. Yes. We were at the World War II barracks, and before we deployed, we're back at our drilling station. Everything's really relaxed in qps. Were wearing baseball hats if we wanted to. Like, it was. It was our. And. And in hindsight, in a weird way, they probably shouldn't. I probably wouldn't let them be honest. I'd be like, hey, like, you have. You have to earn that. Like, unblocks your boots, do a couple cool things. But, yeah, you're not a team guy. No, but they let us call them by their first names. Everyone was, like, really, really laid back. So we get to brag, and Sean was on the dive team, and they. Him and a couple other guys went out for a run, and they were. They were coming back, and I was just being nice because I saw him. I was like, hey, Sean, what's up, man? And he stops, and we'll just pass. Hey, Sean, what's up? He turns around and goes, hey, Specialist Tucker, come here. I'm like, oh, okay. He goes, my name's Sergeant First Class Keane. We're on Fort Bragg right now. I'm a Green Beret. You're not. You're gonna go to the Q course. You don't know. You. You don't know Green Berets, okay. Until you are a Green Beret, I'm paraphrasing.

[Chris Eisenhower]

A little bit, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I mean, but that was the gist of it. He goes, roger that. He turned around, and a part of me was like, no, that's kind of. Look, he's a dick now. But he was right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

He was absolutely right.

[Brent Tucker]

Of course, as the story goes, ends up being my team sergeant, and we're good friends for a long time. And Sean was always good about that. He always knew when to be a Green Beret and really laid back, and he knew when to be Sergeant Keane or he knew when to be Sergeant Major Keane. He was. He was really good about it. But that was at the World War II barracks.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was.

[Brent Tucker]

Which are torn down now and absolutely infested with who? No mold. And when I say World War II, that's not like a ironic saying. No, they were World War II barracks that, what, 60 years later, like, we're. We're still living in them.

[Tyler]

They. They show barracks like them on Saving Private Ryan.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I don't think the same ones, but.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, that was, like, infested with asbestos and hepatitis and ghosts. Yeah, yeah, ghost. Oh, God.

[Tyler]

All the private. I didn't make.

[Brent Tucker]

And in a weird way, I know it's because we didn't know when the war was going to end. So when you got that. Probably didn't feel like it at the time. Or maybe you did, because I'm going to war. That's what we all wanted to do. Like, we wanted to go to war. Like, Chris just got the golden ticket. Chris is going to war. And we're stuck here going. You know, hopefully going to get selected. Maybe, maybe not. You know, maybe we'll get our Green Berets. Best case scenario, we get our green brace and the war is over. Chris is over there at war. Like, we were so jealous. It was like you just kind of showed up one day, like, hey, going to Afghanistan. Yeah. See you, boys. Yeah, it was almost that fast.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was that. Yeah. So definitely.

[Tyler]

Did you make him pay rent while he was gone?

[Brent Tucker]

We should have.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Retrospectively. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

In fact. Oh, no. Teddy took your place.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Teddy took your place. And then it was me, Steve. Me, Steve and Teddy. And then Teddy left. No, no, I'm sorry. Then Steve left. Then, dear. At the time, like, eight eventual Green Berets had, like, went through that house.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. 100 it was.

[Brent Tucker]

But it was so much fun in that house. Ridiculous fun.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So then I finally got back, and then. Oh, they let me go to the Q course. Like, they're like, okay, now you're. You've served your penance now you can go. Go to the Q course.

[Brent Tucker]

That's.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Hold on.

[Brent Tucker]

It's. It's not a flattering story. All these things just rushing back.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Were you with us when we. We had no. We had no furniture. Like we. We had a nice house. We were poor.

[Chris Eisenhower]

We had nothing.

[Brent Tucker]

Nothing.

[Chris Eisenhower]

What was on.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember what our first furniture was? That foldy black matte thing, the foldy black mat. I think we had some lawn chairs and they're in a cooler. That's what was. That was our living room furniture. Beds on the floor. Yep. Yeah. A TV on a tough box. The tough box was our TV stand.

[Tyler]

And 100 pound flat screen plasmas.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Yeah. Like one of the. Yeah. Way before these. Like for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

And we thought we were living it up because we weren't in the barracks.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

We were at a nice house from the outside. Don't come inside.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was. It was disgusting.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, gosh. Go. And going to it on a Friday night.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Thought you were. Thought you were living the dream.

[Tyler]

Guys. Were you guys bar side or clubside? Guys?

[Brent Tucker]

Clubside, actually. We would start at the bar. We would start at the bar. Go to. Go to the club.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, yeah. That was about. Yeah, 100%. Then there was that brewery. Whatever. It was almost walking distance from the house.

[Brent Tucker]

The brewery. What is that brewery? Oh, the Highlander.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, Highlander.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Oh my gosh, I can't believe I remembered that. Yeah, Highlander Brewery. That's right. Just a little podunk, like almost dive bar was really what. What it was. But that was. That was our go. That was our go to place.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was good stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know if I've ever really talked like. So how was. So you said you spent some time on the B team. Did you make it out to a firebase?

[Chris Eisenhower]

I did.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember which firebase?

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was Gardes.

[Brent Tucker]

Gardes. Okay. What. What they have you do like what was. Like, what would you do with them as an unqualified guy but a guy that like is. Is in the company. You know what I mean? Like what?

[Chris Eisenhower]

A little bit.

[Brent Tucker]

What do they do with you?

[Chris Eisenhower]

A little bit of everything.

[Brent Tucker]

Utility player.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Utility is like, all right, what are you. You're loving Bravo, right? Okay. It's cold. Ride this gun. You know like you ride this gun, you do this. And then it was. I mean it was great. Like it was. It was training. It was. I was with Kurt and Jeremy most of the time, you know.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And then so, you know, backstopping that. And then they would kind of Farm me out to whatever team needed extra help.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Then it was a great shot.

[Brent Tucker]

You end up leaving Gardez to go to another team or just like, just randomly it would go plus them up again.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Another. Another Andy Andersonism. I was in Bagram and they're like, okay, you're gonna support from the cell here at Bagram. I got off the Hilo one day bringing him some stuff. He's like, yeah, you're just staying out here with us. I was like, I don't have any of my shit. He's like, you got your body armor and whatever's in that assault pack, right? He's like, yeah. He's like, you'll be fine. So I, I lived out of like my body armor assault for like a month and a half before they.

[Brent Tucker]

And oddly enough, that's what you.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was great.

[Brent Tucker]

Didn't care. Like that's what you want to do. You just wanted to be forward. Like she just want to be a part of the magic. Like I'm, I'm around Green Berets. I'm in Afghanistan early. I mean this is early, but was.

[Tyler]

There FOMO when you went off to the Q course? Like what the guys are up to?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Are they going to get orders again? Like, yes, yes.

[Chris Eisenhower]

A lot of FOMO and every other conflict that we had been in since Vietnam was over. Yeah, it was, it was weeks long.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, like Panama, super quick.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Grenada, even quick. Even actually Operation Desert Storm wasn't Desert Shield was forever, but Desert Swords.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we felt like we were. That they not now we're like, this is the beginning of 2003, if I remember right. Is. Is when this is happening. So between the end of 2001, getting into combat, even though it's 01 to 03, it's really just a little bit over 12 months. So we're like, it's already been a year. Like it's not going to last. Yeah, forever. Like we're. We're one capture away from like Bin Laden and once we get it, we're done. Yeah. So yeah, there was, there was a real concern. I'm sure I can't speak with you forward, but us back in the Q course, like it's gonna be over or by the time we get there, just be nothing. Like nothing. Just cleanup operations. We'll be part of the pull out. And it was like I said, we were super jealous of you. And you got, you got your cib I did over there, which is cool. I mean, again, these are things like, people listen to it now, like, yeah, everyone's got a cib, but not everyone had a C. Yeah, not everyone had a CIB back then.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, it was.

[Brent Tucker]

There was a lot of people going through the Q course that don't have a combat patch in a cib like, those are things that came later.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like, I got. When I went through the Q course, I had a CIB and an SF combat patch, and I had instructors that did.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Was your experience different because of that or no?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes. Yes.

[Tyler]

Good and bad.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was. It was actually great because I ended up. So a lot of the guys that I end up doing significant things with it for me. Significant. I mean, I was at E4 and I was just like, kind of during the headlights, just doing whatever anybody told me to do. Just which. The other thing. Cool thing about being an E4 is they forget you're there. It's kind of like being the help. Like, you hear and see all kinds of. Because everybody's just like, oh, crap. That specialist. Yeah, you just got to blend in. Right? Like a wallflower kind of thing. Well, so I would go and like, one of my. Finally got there, made it through selection. And actually, what. This is a funny. When I did get to go back to selection, Brent was finishing the. Had finished. Was just finishing the course, was leaving, and he's like, oh, well, here's my luck. I'd left a pair of boots. Like, I. My dumb ass was packing it. I had, like, whatever. Left a pair of boots I was going to buy a new pair of. He's like, no, take these. He gave me these jungle boots that he had, and I took him to selection. I finished out the 20, 25 mile road marks, you know, because those. They're gutted boots or whatever he had. It's like, cool. But the. So anyway, the. The different cadre, different stuff. So my first. Okay, you're in the Q course selection. This guy named Dave is one of our Corsino.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, of course. Dave Cor. Yeah. Great old silver Star Dave.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So he goes. And he. He's up there. He's running all of it. Like, running everything. He's in charge of, like, all the students of the Q course. And I'm standing in this giant formation, like hundreds of people out here. It's like, Sergeant Hasenhauer post. I'm like, shit, what'd I do now? Like, I just got here. So I run up there and he's like, you doing all right, bud? I'm like, yeah, Dave, I'm good. He's like, all right, drop down and do like 15 push ups and then get out of here.

[Brent Tucker]

Dave was a menacing figure as a, as a swic instructor. He wasn't that like big of a man. Wasn't small, but it's like like five nine, five ten. Just wasn't like, wasn't overly muscular, but not a skinny guy. Just, just an average of sorts dude. But he walked around like a giant. Yeah. Like his presence was. Presence. Just a stern face. Like quick looks. Always looks like he's kind of upset at something and then you come to find out, ladies, one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Absolutely nicest dude. Like, we'll do anything for you. Get shirt off your back. Like if you, you need something. He would, he would show up if you really want to with people. He had this tooth that was like, screw in, like take it out.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. In our 08 Afghanistan deployment, he was like the mayor of the FOB and we, and we'd take him on missions because, I mean, he was a little bit older, but I still. It's a beast, a beast of a man. Like completely in shape always. Even though he wasn't operational, so to speak. Just he was, he was a proud Green Beret and so he will always look like one. And he was competent as could be. And if there was ever, he's the type of guy, you know, there's guys who want to bug you to go on missions and you're like, you want it too bad. Yeah, I know. You know I'm not going to take you because you want to go.

[Tyler]

You know, it's alarming how much you want.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, we wanted to go and we couldn't wait to find a reason to bring Dave on a mission. Love that guy. And, and, and he would, even though he was super senior Silver Star winner, he would come out on missions and know his place, you know, so to speak. Like, just like, what can I do to help? What can I do to help? Like, he didn't find work, you know? Yeah. He didn't come out there to get into another gunfight. He didn't come out there to continue his, his hero status. Just like you just always looking to fill a role that needed to be done and that's. You can't ask for anything more than that from a guy.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, that's what you asked for. I mean, the whole deal is finding team players. Right? And. Yeah. And that, that's the thing you figure out, like the thing that SF taught me. And it's like served me in every business thing I do and everything that is. You can do anything with the right team, and it doesn't have to be big. Like, the right 12 guys can accomplish anything. Like, you don't need, like, 50 people. You can't. You cannot make up with numbers. You cannot fake confident competence with numbers.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it's. It goes back to the same saying. That doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface, but, you know, it's. We're not looking for the right guy. We're looking for the best guy. I'm sorry. Gosh. We're not looking for the best guy. We're looking for the right guy.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. You can be the best at everything, but if you're not a team player, no one wants to work with you. You're. You'll. You're actually a bigger cancer. And I've seen it before, and I know you have, too. Guys are just performers, and they're a bigger cancer of that team than they are a bigger benefit to that because.

[Tyler]

They slip through the cracks.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Just.

[Brent Tucker]

They're just. There's a holes.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They're just.

[Brent Tucker]

They only care about themselves. They're not a team player. You know, they. The. They only want to do what they want to do when they want to do it. And yes, they're performers, and, yes, they probably know more about their job than everyone else. And they are just absolute. They're the best guy. They can probably run faster. There's. There's guys that just are kind of just naturally gifted. Naturally gifted guys sometimes for the worst because they've never had to work for anything.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's like in Michael Jordan as a coach. Right? Like, the Washington wizard sucked.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They got Michael Jordan telling you what to do, but just because he's. Do it that way. Well, you're Michael Jordan. We can't do it that way.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember what ODA number was there at, Edgar? Was it one one? ODA there? They have two there.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They kind of cycled out. It was new. We were doing old ODA numbers then. So three.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, still four.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, it was.

[Brent Tucker]

Seven.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was four. Four was there.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Obviously the B team, part of the B team. B team minus was there.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Was Dave Melvin a team sergeant back then?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Was he?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Funny, dude. Gosh. Besides that company just being full of studs and. And I'm not doing this, I promise you. I know sometimes when you look in history, you're a little bit kinder, like, to guys. I mean, like. And you kind of build them up to maybe not what they really. Your mind kind of plays tricks on you, you know, so to speak. But not only were they calm, they were fun. Just a group of the funniest studs I've ever been around.

[Chris Eisenhower]

That group of men, like, staying there, working with those guys, like, that changed the man I became, without a doubt. Like, just understanding those people, just. And now it's funny too, because you. I have really significant relationships with a lot of them, you know, just from. Even from the, the. The medical side and being where I am and doing the things that I do now, and just it is amazing to see how those relationships carry forward.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you know you're going to be in 18 delta at this time? Was that your slot at the company? You didn't even know. So you didn't. Which is even, I hate to say, even more hilarious.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You're going to be a Bravo.

[Brent Tucker]

Italian PA now. And he was first slotted to be a Bravo.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Slotted be a Bravo.

[Brent Tucker]

So you probably hung out with the Bravos because you thought you were going to be a Bravo, I'm guessing.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, like I was not doing medic shit.

[Brent Tucker]

Experience you could have got hanging out with the medics a little bit more.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No. 1 now I know I was like, man, I missed the opportunity.

[Brent Tucker]

So how'd that happen? How, how. How'd you end up switching from Bravo to Delta?

[Chris Eisenhower]

I was voluntold.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I. So test scores.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's. Here's something else. There's a lot of unique things about the guard. The most those people don't know on active duty, when you go to selection, you get selected, you go to the Q course and you're going to get whatever. You don't know what mos you're going to get whatever they give you, whatever. Whatever special force in the group.

[Tyler]

Is it. Is it a. Like a lottery, or are they assessing.

[Brent Tucker]

You and going Both? A little bit of both. You know, when. When needs aren't that big of a deal. I'm. I'm generalizing you. You can get what you want, but I'll make it up. But when, but when Special Forces needs medics. Regardless of your score, they're going to send more people to medics than they normally would because they need medics because.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They'Ll take you and intentionally fail you out, but give you the shot. So they'll send you the medic course and like, okay, you got two recycles. Don't fuck this up.

[Brent Tucker]

Right? Even though your test scores show you're probably not smart enough to be a medic, they'll give You a couple shots. And that's where the joke came in the pre Bravo course.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

Because that's where you go. You fail out, you go Bravo, Charlie. I don't know anyone Echo after. They always go Bravo.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

There's more times than not seems. Yeah, because.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Because now they've always been, you're really strong, son. Yeah, carry this. But yeah, so they would do that and you go and I mean, the first eight weeks of the 18 delta course was the hardest academic thing I have ever done. And I am three weeks away from finishing my doctorate.

[Brent Tucker]

Like I, I wish. I'm glad you brought that up actually, because. Oh, let me go back to like National Guardisms. This is what's different about the guard. You know, a 320 at the time was in Ocala. So you have the National Guardism of. That's. This is you already know what company you're going to. So you know what needs that company has. Like, you know you're going to an ODA at this location. And, and if, let's say this team, all, all the teams are full up on bravos and they're all full on Charlie's. Well, you can go be a Bravo or Charlie if you want, but you ain't going into an ODA because they're full on Bravos and Charlie's. So.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And, and there's no, there's no cycle like an active duty. Like you're not gone in three years.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You stay as long as you want.

[Brent Tucker]

Exactly. Yeah. Which is a bittersweet because that's why that 20th Group company was so great. They're. They, those guys in their first deployment, second, third, fourth, fifth, were together for 10 years, 12 years. That's almost unheard of an active duty. So they, they know each other and they have a lot of experience and.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They have a lot of civilian experience. That's the other thing that kind of is wild like you because sfs, when the Guard. One of the beautiful things the Guard does is you blend this crazy amount of civilian experience in all kinds of different things that you don't know where it's going to serve you. So you can have a, you can have a Delta that's also a general contractor and a civilian job. Right. So you basically have an extra Charlie.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Or you have a Bravo or We've had bravos that are PAs on the civilian side or it's crazy. You got a support guy that's a lawyer.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So like it's.

[Brent Tucker]

Our Charlie was a fireman, which means he was. He Was a paramedic. Yeah. And so this is. You get all this. You get this extra job. SF is already really good about cross training within each other, but now you get this really broad cross training from the civilian world while maintaining all active duty qualifications and standards. So it's. It's really cool. So which means you want to be a Bravo. While you were gone, someone. Someone took that Bravo slot, and they probably said, hey, you want to be here? You want to go to a team?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep. Need to be adult.

[Brent Tucker]

Need to be a Delta. Yep. Which is. Which is how I became an Echo.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

They told me the same thing.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

I want to be a Bravo, too. They're like, that's cool. You want to be on a team, though?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Then you're gonna be an Echo. I don't want to be an Echo. Well, hold on. You want to be on a team? Yeah. Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You're gonna be an E. Go. Like, go. Go home. But you can't stay here.

[Brent Tucker]

The. So now to this. You know, I had one of our roommates was a Delta. It's just when you go through the Q course, you go to whatever it is, it books a million on the weekend. None of your friends that you were friends with in selection, you were friends with an sut. You're an MOS phase now. All the other moss are still, like, friends and hanging out, and they're in.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Raleigh, drinking while you're reading.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And we're drinking every weekend. Like, it's classroom settings, you know, working out every week. Weekends are your own. And we're partying, and we're partying hard. I mean, I didn't go to college. This is. This was my college, you know? And your. Your Delta friends disappeared. Just disappeared. Hey, you want to go? No, man, I gotta study. Okay. Like, next night. Hey, you. You. You studied last night. You want to go out? No, man, I gotta study. All right. We're going to the pools today. When I go to the pool Sunday. No, man, I gotta study. And it was like that for months.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And they weren't just studying because they really were like that. Harder workers. I'm making a joke of sorts. It was like, I have to study because I'm scared.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, I'm scared if I don't. If I. If I get behind one iota, I will never make it back up.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Well, what they do, these guys is super interesting. So you got guys that, in a lot of cases, you know, probably weren't the best. Most auspicious high school student. If you're if you're really learning, you're learning how to study now, right? So then they're like, oh, guess what? You're taking college level anatomy and physiology 1 and 2 at the same time. Like, how's that work? No, you're taking them both at the same time and pharmacology and it's like. But there's this, it's crazy, this massive weed out thing. Like, they know that if you can get through this first eight weeks at this level, you have like an 85 chance of finishing the whole course. So that's, it's a statistical breakdown of how they can achieve success and still put these guys like in the Bravo course, Charlie Corsico course, whatever, and use them as Green Berets. They're just not gonna be Deltas.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm telling you. It's. I almost can't. It's. It's almost hard for people to fathom what those Delta 18 Delta students like are going from through, during MLS phase. Just, they're all. They just walk around nervous, scared, and, and with a book in front of their face for months. And it's just. And the guys who make it, you, that's. You want to. If anyone ever wonders why people have such respect to 18 Deltas, both in the SF and you know, everywhere else is because the type of training that they go through and what it makes to make it like, you can't help. You can't help but make an amazing product. And you know, and it's just, it is the best, best medics in the military, bar none. And I don't care who you ask. You go ask a Marine. Go ask anyone who's the best. Oh, 18 Deltas are the best. It's not even argued.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Being an 18 Delta got me my first job out of PA school. Really not being a PA like I got hired in an ER, not because I was like some shit hot PA though. You've been 18 Delta? Yeah. You're hired.

[Brent Tucker]

Where did. I don't even know what they call this phase of it, but where you go do like ER medicine.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, your clinical. Yeah, it's just clinical.

[Brent Tucker]

It's just called clinicals. Where did you go for it? Do you remember first?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, I went to Tampa for the first part. So when they break it up, it's Sockham. So Sockham is 18 Delta candidates, Rangers and Seals.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

All together. And then you do all that. And then I did my 18 delta rotations, my hospital clinical rotations in El Paso.

[Brent Tucker]

And so I want to break that down. Too, because. And they're not wrong by saying it. Sometimes other guys say this and they're not pretending to be someone they're not. It's just like common vernacular. So they use it. And so if it's like, oh, I was a Ranger medic, you know, kind of like an 18, I was in 18 Delta. And they say that. And I'm not mad at them for saying that because they, those guys go through what he calls like, you know, sock them, which is Ranger medics go to that school.

[Chris Eisenhower]

School.

[Brent Tucker]

Like who all go. They have their own school now. But a lot of different medics will. Navy medics, Navy SEAL medics, I should.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Say the special boat medics and the.

[Brent Tucker]

Special boat medics, they go to the first part of the 18 delta course. But again, they just use it as a slang. But they're not 18 Deltas because they leave. And true Green Beret 18 Deltas stay for a lot more training after that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So when I was there, it split up a little bit. The soccer course when I was there was six months long. Now it's nine. So the range of medics also makes. Get the nine months of it. And then the 18 Deltas do a follow on three months. The, the whole course, when you take leave and everything into it is 13 months long. The. Yeah. So when it whittles down to the last. Like you're doing the, the 18 delta part and you're just like, oh, it just. They ramp it up.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Or two. And it's interesting.

[Brent Tucker]

So when you're doing your, your clinicals at these hospitals, like you're. Tell them what you know, what you guys are doing there.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So in clinicals, in the hospitals, like the trauma rotation, you work at a trauma at a trauma center. So like I was at Tampa General and they find hospitals that have high acuity gunshot wounds pretty much is what the criteria is.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And then you're just working in the ER or you're riding EMS in the busy stations to do as much. As much comparable trauma medicine as you possibly can. Now, there is no comparison. And you've obviously, you've been in enough gunfights and IEDs and everything else to know that like, short of something very substantial there, it's not, it's. It's as close as you can get.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, I see now that you're saying that like, usually it's like a single gunshot wound.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And he, and he, and he. And an ambulance got there and he.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Was out there right now. And you're not sitting on him.

[Brent Tucker]

And he's probably in a pretty considerably for. Because you're in America, a pretty clean environment. You got a lot of things going for you.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes. You know, get shot in America. If you gotta get shot somewhere, get shot in America.

[Brent Tucker]

I grew. I agree with that statement. The. But this is nothing. Just how cool is that? Like, even though it's not the same when. When 18 Deltas work on Green Berets, even if they're fresh out of the Q course, more than likely that's not their first gunshot wound.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

That they're working on. Like they've seen it before and done it before. Before.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know who made that sweetheart deal, but kudos to. To the SF regiment for. For getting that across the finish line.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They've done something.

[Brent Tucker]

It couldn't have been easy.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm sure that'd be some legalities in the way of that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Well, that's why they do most of them in Florida now because Florida.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Almost all trauma rotations are in Florida because they have such a good relationship with the hospitals and stuff out here.

[Brent Tucker]

Also probably because of our really lax gun laws.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Yeah. Actually.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. You're not wrong.

[Brent Tucker]

Man. You get. You get through that. Were you a first time go and everything in. In the 18 Delta School?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Was that a Just pure fear of having to do any. That. That twice 100.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I. The only thing that I did the entire Q course that I was not a first time go at was starting a fire in Sear School.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

That was it.

[Brent Tucker]

That. That is the canteen and you got to get the. The water boiling in three minutes or something like that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Whatever that is. That was my only.

[Brent Tucker]

I know funny enough, you say that when we were that series, the last thing you had to do. And I don't know. I don't know if they're. Especially that time during the war. I don't think they're. Thankfully, you got it the second time. I don't know if they're holding 18 Delta back.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I was like. I was like, you're really gonna kick me out of here if I don't boil this water. All the things he's like, you got what you got, candidate?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh man. The How's.

[Chris Eisenhower]

How's.

[Brent Tucker]

How's your Robin Sage experience?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Robin Sage was great. I actually didn't get to be an 18 Delta and Robin Sage. I was the 180.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, were you really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, because our. The way they switched the. The pipeline scheduling during. While I was in the 18 Delta course again because they Always got to shuffle the deck for somebody's OER bullet, but they switched it up. So we went to Robin sage with like, 35, 18 deltas. Like, we had to. Oh, wow. Yeah. We had to get this whole class.

[Brent Tucker]

Of guys through anomaly right there.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It wasn't. It was crazy. So every team had, like, four Deltas.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. So the 180, which is the 180 Alpha, which is like the. You know, played the role as a warrant officer.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Which. Yeah, I don't. I just realized this. When you go back to be an officer. Let's say you're an enlisted Green Beret, and then you go officer if. Outside of medical. If you want to be an 18 alpha, you have to go back through all of it. All of it. Pipeline, not selection. You already selected, but you have to go back through the pipeline. So back through sut, back through mos, obviously. Mos as an officer.

[Tyler]

With other officers.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Your own class. Yeah. But warrants don't do that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, I feel like they should at least maybe go to Robin Sage. You know, they did do.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Or they have a warrant version of that. But I mean, you think. Yeah, but I mean. But you think of, like. But when you really dive in on what a warrant does, what are you getting a very senior guy. So when you have a captain coming in.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

He's coming in to do command and control for a very finite amount of time. Right. That warrant could stay there till Jesus comes back, like. And that's. That's when he'll get relief.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, it's. It's probably. Now that we're actually teasing this up, it probably would not be a good thing to have true 180 Alphas and Robin Sage, because they would just help. Help the officer out. You know what I mean? They would. Because I'm saying that's. If you go back to be. You're already long to have, and you go back be an officer. But if you're, you know, from the infantry and this is like, you know, your first time, a 180 is just. Just gonna walk you through. Through. To give you all the answers.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Absolutely. But then you got all the guys that go through. I mean, the. The guys that go through prior enlisted have a really hard time going back as an officer because you got to turn off E7 brain in your voice, in your head, and.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You know, like, task your people and sit back and take it all in and do the stuff that officers do and look at the chessboard, not move the pieces.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you have. Did you did you have a good Robin Sage team?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was good.

[Brent Tucker]

So keep up with any of those guys from Robin Sage?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, about three quarters of them, but, yeah, half of them were out of 320.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, that's my team. Just got stacked with.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Dudes. I know.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember a cool Robin Sage story? I'm not just putting you on the spot or. Or something. You didn't. Robin says, like, this is, like, this is a really cool. There were some parts of the Q course that were underwhelming to me. You know, I'm sound like a dick for a second selection. Wasn't that there were part. I said there were parts in selection that challenged me immensely.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

But for the most part, it's a lot of waiting. It was. Yeah, it was a lot of waiting. It wasn't very.

[Tyler]

I was.

[Brent Tucker]

I was in really good shape, and so that. That helps go in shape. The phase two was. Was. Was what was real basic, but it was good. It's what we needed. MOS was good, but it's not what I wanted because it was a bunch of nerdy radio stuff. But it wasn't until you got to Sage, they're like, okay, like, this is some special operation stuff. Like, we got to do some cool things in Sage.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I would say, yeah, I do have a pretty good one. So we were doing the. The guy was like, okay, we're gonna hook you up. We're gonna. Which, you know, hook you up, right? It's like, great.

[Brent Tucker]

Never will be hooked up.

[Chris Eisenhower]

We're gonna get hooked up. It's like, all right, we're going to do a lot of walking on our pre lanes before you actually do your infill or obviously, can you do the lanes training before you actually get infilled or any of that.

[Brent Tucker]

Right? Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

We're like, all right, so we're heading out on this lane. Well, some of the trucks that are the. The whatever. The trailer 88 mics are doing a thing and we wave them down. So we've got like five miles to move. And we're like, it. You know, so we wave this truck down. We're like, hey, let us get the back of this truck driver's house. Point. He does. We jump out.

[Brent Tucker]

SF thing to do.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Jump out. The guy, the. The Cadre is like, great execution. Sorry, you got caught. Walk back. Oh, and then walk back here.

[Brent Tucker]

That's it. And Robin saves the time for that. Like, they do. They encourage you to be unconventional outside the box.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So he did it. He's like, Great job. But we got to the. Where we got back to the point, there was five pizzas waiting for us, which is cool. So that was cool. So then we're. We're finally doing our infill. Yeah. Blackhawk pilots. Because we're infilling us on Friday night. They're coming in. We're like. He's like, yeah, you guys are gonna get to fly. You know, we're gonna infil you off birds. Perfect. Bird comes in pilots. Like, ground fog flies away. It's like you're walking now.

[Brent Tucker]

So that's the worst. They play with you like that. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, in training, like, oh, yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Gotta get this.

[Brent Tucker]

This hurt guy out of here. You gotta get to this. This lz. There's a Blackhawk waiting for. For you if you don't get there in time and you know you'll never.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Get there in time.

[Brent Tucker]

And you're like, nah, they don't have a Blackhawk waiting for us. When you get close, you start hearing the like, the blaze. Like, oh, and you run out a Blackhawk here. Like, yeah, we'll get out of here. Let's go, let's go, let's go. It doesn't matter. As soon as you make it to the clearing, the black off takes off. And they're like, oh, you missed it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Here they go.

[Brent Tucker]

They just came under fire and had to leave. Hot lz, I guess you're welcome the rest of the way back.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, it just.

[Brent Tucker]

It just hurts your heart.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It did.

[Brent Tucker]

And they get you every time with it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Every time you think every time you're like, it's an abusive relationship. It's like. It's like, oh, it's gonna be so nice this time. So then we do that. Well, then we walk and we're walking all night doing all the that we do. And so we got. Finally got to the point where we're just like it. We're running the roads. Like we're not. We're just tired. Right. And so as the car's going by, we're jumping off and.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Got John Bros is with me, you know.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And so we're there, we're jumping off, and we're just diving in the ditch. And that's kind of just our stupid ass SOP Just to get to where we're going, right? And him jump off into this ditch. And we're just falling. Like every other section that we've jump into for miles is like, you know, you're just falling into a ditch. Whatever. Now we're just falling and it was like boom. It was like a seven foot drop. And we just dove off into this. I was like, oh, God, I'm gonna die. Crawl out of that. And then, then they infilled us the last mile and a half. In the back the of a cement truck.

[Brent Tucker]

In the back of a cement truck?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, in the barrel of the cement truck. Like, that was interesting.

[Brent Tucker]

The cadre had to be one to turn that barrel on.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, yeah. You know, they did, you know, like fine all the ruck sacks.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh my gosh.

[Tyler]

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[Brent Tucker]

Setup, JV team for life. Oh, the. So you finally get to the Q course, which again, like for you was. Was. Was a long process because. Because you took a break to go to war.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like, I started the Q course as a. I said the day I showed up there, I'd been in the army for six months. By the time I finished, I was an E6.

[Brent Tucker]

Wow. Was there a port? Was there a part of you because you had essentially quasi. Been a part of an oda. Seen it, you know. You know, the inner workings, like you've seen it in and in combat, like, operate that you're like, I know too much. Like, that's. This is stupid. That that's not how we're going to do it. I've. I know because I've actually done it, you know, like that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

There was a piece of that. But what was like. So every single phase of the course, I had somebody that I had worked with operationally as a cadre in every single phase of the course.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes. So that was. That was super interesting because there was a lot of things where they would just smoke my bags, but they were going to make sure I understood what the. I was doing.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Because they knew where they were sending me back to.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, there is this notion in NSF that if you go to Swick, it's because you're a dirt bag and your teams, Your team wanted to get rid of you.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And. And like, like all things. Like, there's a hint of truth of that, but I'm telling you, all my Q course instructors were impressive. Green Berets, all of them. I think those dirt bags end up going to us. They kind of hide them behind them somewhere.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Admin slots.

[Brent Tucker]

Because I didn't see dirtbag Green Berets stranding me.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like, it was, you're not training anybody, you know, like, they're not letting you get near students. There's a.

[Brent Tucker]

You're not going let them get near students.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, you're maybe at Swick, but you're not. You're not dealing with students.

[Brent Tucker]

I did. I just. I did, man. I had some amazing, amazing men mentor me as, As a Green Beret. They. They knew their. They were. They were in shape. They carried themselves. We talk about this with, with police. Like, what. What. What's the term? That. A command presence, you know, type thing. And they had that. They just walked into a room, you're like, oh.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like, I mean, there's something about the whole. The whole thing is like, you. I don't know, it's like man camp. Like, you, you know, like, you're gonna come out of there and be a grown man, you know, like, you're. You're gonna figure it out. And that's the.

[Brent Tucker]

So you come back to a 320. Did you have a full time job then? What was it like? I mean now, now you got a full. Now you got to grow up and figure out what you're going to do for a living. That's, that's the bad part about being a National Guardsman.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

There are active duty slots. You're either going to be a guard bomb or you're going to go find a real job and a job that will allow you, allow you to be a Green Beret at the same time. What. How was that for you?

[Chris Eisenhower]

That was interesting. So I went, I went back. I guard bummed a lot. Well, we guard bum together. Yeah, the, yeah, we ultimate guard bombing. But the yes, I did that.

[Brent Tucker]

I went explain what a guard bum is.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay, guard bum is you jump from orders to orders to try to maintain some kind of salary, insurance and ability to feed yourself, which is for a single guy.

[Brent Tucker]

It's great because I, I jumped on a South America deployment, I went to sodic, I went to die school. Like all these schools are open to you. And unlike active duty, again, where they, where they get to tell someone, hey, you're going to sniper school. Hey, you're going to the dive team. Hey, you're going to this school, that school, you kind of can't tell anyone the guard that you're going unless they're federalized order.

[Chris Eisenhower]

There's no, it's the choice, right?

[Brent Tucker]

So what they do is they say, hey, all these schools, these are the slots we have for schools. Who wants them? And as a guard bomb, he's like, I'll take that one. And I'll take that one next. And I'll take that one next.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. The other thing that I figured out, this is like a life hack kind of thing. If you're coming off of any federal.

[Brent Tucker]

Order a little closer to like, if.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They'Re coming off any federal order where they give you a DD214, you are eligible to claim unemployment in any state for a year, per year, any state, regardless of where you live. So if you fly to Boston and you walk out of Logan Airport, you get a Cassie and you take a ride down about four miles to the first unemployment office you find and you file for that, they're like, okay, and that's a thousand dollars a week.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, a week.

[Chris Eisenhower]

A week. That's 52 grand a year. And it would be extended for 18 months. I was like, this is great. Tax dollars at work, right? You know, ultimate bum. Right. But what I did with, what I did with a lot of it so got out of the Q course and then we got ready for the next deployment. I guard boned for like year. Kind of just worked. I mean I was coaching gymnastics, working part time jobs and doing a few college classes, taking all my pre med classes. We went on that deployment to.

[Brent Tucker]

Were you doing that because you knew you wanted to be a PA or no. Was there a reason you were doing that? Like GI Bill.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Bah.

[Brent Tucker]

Just working the system.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Just working the system. But yeah, so it started to go that direction. Um, and then I had gone and done a. In that time, I went and did a direct sport trout. Right.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't know that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So I went. You were just finishing.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And I went up there. Do a direct sport tryout. Because you were up. Were you up there? You were before Alex.

[Brent Tucker]

Same time.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, same time.

[Brent Tucker]

We were selection together.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay. So I was up there. You guys were in the, you know, I was up there for the direct sport trial. Went through it. They're like, yeah, you know, you did great. But you don't have enough experience as a medic. Because I had combat experience but not medic experience.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Deployed medic experience.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So went. And then we did. Went on the next. We went on the 2000. I went on the 2012 Afghanistan deployment.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. Came back from that and they called me right back up, like, hey, you ready to come back? I was like, absolutely. So I was trained to come back. And I tore my bicep off.

[Brent Tucker]

Why'd you do that?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Because I was an idiot.

[Brent Tucker]

How'd you do that?

[Chris Eisenhower]

My third.

[Brent Tucker]

My bicep and Iraq. I'll tell you that story after this.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So I had been like back, you know, back in the day, obviously back into the cheerleader thing. I was a gymnast. I was coaching kind of a part time job. I was trying to demonstrate a thing that I was too old to do and I tore my bicep off. What were you doing? I was doing a backflip and just bicep just came.

[Brent Tucker]

Just unraveled on.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. This ravel is up here in my chest. Oh. So it got screwed all back together and all the things. So obviously that went by the wayside. So in all the healing process, I took all the rest of my pre med prereqs and I was sitting there healing and doing all things and applied to med school and the army's PA school and I got into med school and PA school the same day and in the med school wanted $300,000 to be a doctor. And the army was going to Pay me and give me retirement points and move me to for Sam.

[Brent Tucker]

And I was like, I'm going to be a PA.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So I went to PA school, and that's how I ended up being a PA.

[Brent Tucker]

I.

[Chris Eisenhower]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

So many questions about the PA side because it's not uncommon for 18. That's. That's who our PAs are. They Delta. So it's very, very common. Do you have to go be an officer for first?

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, I went as an OCS candidate. Because it's a special commission. Because you're special staff.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The Army's PA program is a phenomenal program, but it takes everything that sucks about the army and everything that sucks about college and puts it in one thing. Like, none of the cool about either one of those things occurs in that program. Right.

[Brent Tucker]

How long is that program?

[Chris Eisenhower]

27 months.

[Brent Tucker]

Good gosh.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Whoa. So you get a matt, you get a bachelor's degree and a master's.

[Tyler]

You're expecting the war to be over at that point?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. 100.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The didactic part of that was, the schooling part was difficult. I would again say the first eight weeks of 18 Delta course was harder. But yeah, 18 Delta course does not make you a PA. You become. You are. If you think of it as if you looked at medicine, you would think like an 18 Delta is like a NFL player. A PA starts to get into the coaching side. Like you're getting that nuanced into what medicine is, Right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay, so you know, $18, you know your position, you know, trauma medicine, you're that. And you can, you can, you know, fill in. In these other gaps. Right. Pas, you're diving into, like, all kinds of stuff. Subspecialty medicine, like more. More science, less hands on, mechanic stuff. So you understand the science exponential. Eventually better when you get out there. The rotations, though, the. The clinical rotations. After being in 18 Delta, that was the second easiest year I've ever had. The army. That was by far like. It was like, okay, I could do this. I can go work in hospital, see patients, and I got supervision. I can go ask questions. Yeah, no problem. Like, we got this. There's no problem. It was great.

[Brent Tucker]

What is the silly questions? What's the difference between a PA and a doctor?

[Chris Eisenhower]

So a doctor, PA is a master's degree in medicine.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. And you can get a doctorate in medicine as a pa, but a doc. So when you're a doctor, you can be. That can go a couple different ways. You can be an MD or a do.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, DO stand for doctor.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Of osteopathic medicine. It's kind of a mix between.

[Brent Tucker]

I knew that ass after Tyler, obviously. Osteopathic medicine. Of course. Yeah, so.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, exactly. I messed that word up forever. You got. Yeah, no, it's good. You're golden. But they get a little chiropractic in there, too, for that. They get some adjustments and some other stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

So they mix some snake oil in there. Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Chiropractic without physical therapies.

[Brent Tucker]

That's snake oil.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You need to get physical therapy with chiropractic.

[Brent Tucker]

That's all right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Personal opinion, but. So that's. That's kind of the deal. Right, then. But a doctor goes to a residency. You finish and you go to a residency. So when you go to a residency, you know, er, orthopedic surgeon, pediatrician, whatever it is, that's your job. You are that kind of doctor. You cannot just switch jobs. Like, you can't go be an ER doc and then go decide you're gonna go do surgery. Okay, Right.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

But a PA can go work under any doctor they want, really. So, like, if you want. So if I was at erp Pigeonhole. You're not pigeonholed.

[Tyler]

You have general studies.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep, exactly. So you are a generalist of medicine. So then my. Then following on to that, like, you specialize in what you do as a pa. So. I worked in the ER for a long time. I did. And then I did a lot of tactical medicine stuff, went to JSOC and did some stuff with them. And then I went and did the 20, you know, the SFPA thing and the battalion PA thing, which is phenomenal experience. I love it. Because it's. It's that you're still interacting with all the soldiers, and you're just making sure that they're good to go, right? You're like, okay, we need to do this. We need to. And it's.

[Brent Tucker]

Everybody loves the pa. Yeah. He's the nicest guy.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And he is. Yeah. Everybody likes to go with trucks, right? Everybody's favorite truck.

[Tyler]

He's a nice. This guy telling you to suck it up.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And you go, yeah, it hurts.

[Brent Tucker]

People just show up at the randomness of places or randomness of times, like, hey, how's everyone?

[Tyler]

Hey, Sergeant Major. You're not doing anything.

[Chris Eisenhower]

But. But it was. But what worked out for me is, like, I would get going. You know, you keep enough. You keep current on all your stuff, and you've been in 18 Delta. You can still be plug and play for a lot of things. So, like, hey, you're a PA, but you also know how to do 18 Delta shit. You know, SF and you know how teams work and you can still do your job because you just have more medical knowledge. Like if you can go still do all of the cephalics, all of the, all the skills, you're absolutely a plug and play asset.

[Brent Tucker]

As a does at a battalion level. Does the PA continue to lay on training for the 18 Deltas? Is that, is that part of it?

[Chris Eisenhower]

That is the goal. That also comes into logistics and guardism and can you. But yeah, that's. That's the end state.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. That's very cool.

[Chris Eisenhower]

What's.

[Brent Tucker]

What's your rank?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Major.

[Brent Tucker]

You're a major.

[Chris Eisenhower]

That's so crazy. It's absolutely so.

[Brent Tucker]

And what is that? Was that slot, man? Are you looking to. To be in an 05?

[Chris Eisenhower]

I would say it's pretty unlikely, but.

[Brent Tucker]

Pretty unlikely.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I mean, just time.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Time wise.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Time wise. I mean, I'm 24 years.

[Brent Tucker]

Well. But look, it's so proud of you, man. I am. I'm so proud of you. It's. It's crazy coming from, from the, the our beginnings and if you'd have. And if you'd have told each one of us, hey, you're gonna go do that and he's gonna come back and he's gonna be an 18 Delta. And you're like, no, no, me 19 probably like, no, no, he's gonna be an 18 dozer and he's gonna go on to be a PA and he's gonna be a major. And we'd be like, what? Yeah, we do those things.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I know. Like I, it's, it's wild just being there because you look around and you're like, how the. Did we become the guys that are in charge? It's like, how are we the people? Like, where's the adult?

[Tyler]

Not trying to jump too far ahead, but what is your. As a major in your position, are you able to have general influence on the army's decision for non traditional remedies for medication or.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, no. Like I, No. So the arm and I do a lot of work with them. And the army is absolutely going down that road.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. 100 they are. The army is doing very significant studies in the non traditional stuff. So my, my doctorate, like I said, I finished my doctorate. My doctorate is in behavioral medicine, which is, you know, the medical side of behavioral health therapy. And my. All my thesis stuff is in psychedelic medicine.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So that's.

[Tyler]

Now it's not naproxen. Water.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's, it's, yeah, whatever you want. Yeah. So. And it goes, it kind of goes like this. Like if you look at it from the standpoint of, well, same thing with like cops. Like, you know, recruiting is up for the military now, but it hasn't been that way in the last like four years. Right. And then the other thing is it is really hard to get the candidates that are available through any kind of special operations pipeline. The people that can make it through just don't exist right now.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like it's, and it's a different, it's just a different generation, different mentality, different everything. But like even just look at school, pe.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I mean it's like, it's like non existent, you know, like all of you can walk. You don't have fog. This mirror, okay, you're alive. You made it. And that's because if we've had this.

[Brent Tucker]

Weird thing like, oh, that's body shaming.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. It's like, no, you're fat.

[Brent Tucker]

You used to have to do pull ups and you used to have to do sit ups and push ups and they time you and now they're like, no, no, we can't do that because if the fat kid can't do a pull up, he's going to get mocked.

[Tyler]

I mean it was kind of a shaming. You didn't want to be the slow kid. You didn't want to be the kid that had to do the flex arm hang because you couldn't do pull up.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm not, this isn't me pro bully, but I just, I can't go completely anti bully. Like that's what pushes people, the fear of a bully. Sometimes I have to be able to do this.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So I look at this like we, we have taken this thing that was like, yeah, you can be very extreme with, with all of the things right where it could be, it can be too much and you can have all the things that's 100% real, like high school, horrible experience for almost everyone. Right. Like that's a universally homeschooled, universally horrible experience.

[Brent Tucker]

The only person bullied me was over there, my brother too.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And, but, but what you look at is you, you have to have standards in anything you do. It doesn't matter. And now we've, you know, and then you look at how technology changes all different things. But like I'm so in my private practice, kind of completely shifting gears from the military. My private practice is what I'm wearing now or like what you guys are. Well, not that I Don't usually wear tank tops. But, like, basically, like, that's how I see patients. Dogs with me. Like, it's chill. Yeah. But if you come in there and you're like, what's wrong with me? Oh, you're 40 pounds overweight. You know, like, first thing, like, that's number one. So let's, you know, like. Because it's not there, it's like, why I can't figure this out. I was like, okay, what's your diet look like? What's this? Like, what is. What is human performance? What is it? Because, you know, you go into the behavioral health side. Like, I understand trauma medicine all day. My own struggles with behavioral health, with suicide, with substance abuse, with alcoholism, all the things that go with that. Like, I've been the patient with that, like, openly. I mean, I will. I will absolutely talk to anybody about it. Like, I tried to kill myself twice.

[Tyler]

That's so beneficial.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And. And it's. Yeah, it is. And it's. And when you are completely open and honest about it, when you get the point and you can tell this story, like. Like, I. Like, I got a dui. The cops that arrested me, I now are. I'm under contract with that department to be their behavioral health.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

On call.

[Brent Tucker]

Wow.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like, all of that stuff, like, it's. It's nuts. And if that guy had not arrested me, I'd blow my brains out.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's on my way to suck start pistol. Now, the. The deal with that is that it's kind of like not the Phoenix Rising story, but I understand that stuff for such an intimate way, like, as a patient, as a provider, as a scientific level, the neuroscience level, all the. The things. And everybody, every single human being has an aspect of behavioral health. And we always think about it like we're going to just deal with it. But you go see your dentist twice a year, right. You go see your doctor at least once a year. You go, whatever. Nobody checks in with, like, their behavioral health professional because they're like, I don't want to be crazy. But the other thing. The other problem we have is that people identify as their behavioral health diagnosis. I am bipolar. I am depressed. No one ever says, I'm a broken ankle. I am cancer.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, Like, I love that mindset of it because you may have seen we. We in a weird way. I don't even say any weird. I don't even say we. My opinions are myself. I'm. I'm not that pro mental health in the traditional sense that, you know, that we see it because everyone's a victim and everyone. And, and so it's just my, it's just my, my theory on it from my life, from my life experiences, guys that go to that like, hey, let me go talk to a stranger that's never dealt with these problems. It's a bad, it's. It's a really bad like comparison. But it's. To me, it's like, I want to learn how to swim, but this guy's never been in the water and he's never swam in his life. But he went to college to know about swimming. I don't want to learn that from you. What do you have to tell me? Let me go find a swimmer. And so for me that, to correlate that, I think we need to do a better job as teammates, as other men who have been through it and say, hey, like let's, let's, let's talk about this or unpopular opinion. Deal with it, deal with it until it gets too big to deal with. I know there's a lot to unpack there. I think people just because they're told you can't deal with it. So there's parlor problem. You can't do it. As soon as you see something bad, you can't deal with it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Seeing that.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not buying that.

[Tyler]

No.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And I don't know. You don't. That's exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that's not true.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So here's kind of how it works. And I can dive into neuroscience. But what you're, what you're talking about, there like there's two, there's two sides that there are absolutely people that they are not going to be affected with it the same way, whether it's because of their spirituality, their neuro, their neurobiology, their brain chemistry, whatever it is, that's 100% real thing. Right. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them. So if you think about trauma from the standpoint of traumatic events, the average person experiences five traumatic events in their life. Loss of a parent, loss of a pet, car accident, maybe they got mugged, whatever.

[Brent Tucker]

Five.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The average first responder has probably five a day. Right. The average soldier, kind of the same thing. Where these things where you. Where now we've isolated them out. Our brains don't work that way. Our brains firewall off traumas and they go in our amygdala. So like when we have like flashbacks or triggering events or whatever, like the stuff that pisses you off, the things that you know, it's because your brain is trying to protect yourself. And we. I'm talking in your ego, not your ego. And like the Sigmund Freud, I want to touch my mom since. But your ego. And like the Carl Young sense of like, I want to. It's protective.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And we, but our career fields thrive on some level of ego because it makes you competent. It gives you the ability to go and, and face things that should be terrifying.

[Brent Tucker]

Right?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

Like anything, a healthy dose of ego is a good thing.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It is. The, the issue with it is using it for what we do is absolutely necessary. You need it because it's like SOPs. You have to have that. The issue is we don't unpack it correctly. We don't AAR it or debrief it correctly. Right. Because you have these things that are kind of, they're in your short term memory, like they're stuck there. So that flashbacks are just these trigger feelings of like, where they're stuck in the end, if you can let them go and you can do it through like emdr, there's all these things you can do. Right. So what, what ultimately happens is we go through all these traumatic events and our ego won't let us get help. Now the other side of it is also the reality is going through these events is a trauma. It is so a trauma by its nature. Like, this is semantics really, because we're trying to talk. We're saying the same word. We're not talking the same thing. You are victimized, but doesn't make you a victim. Okay? But you have to admit that something bad happened before you can deal with it. Like if you're just sitting there with a wound like, and your legs rotting off, you're like, ought to be fine. It's like a little Monty Python thing.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a flesh wound. Right?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Deny, scratch. Denial is not treatment.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and we will end up saying the same thing. And, and usually. And some people, because I don't, I don't take 30 minutes to explain my whole take on it. It's a generalized take. But my generalized take, I believe, is the majority of it. And just to make it short, most men, if you ask me, need to suck it up. Most men. But maybe another bad example of it, which is this, when someone fat comes in, what they're looking for is everything else other than what their problem is. And you tell them you're fat. And to correlate this to the military, and we've seen it, there's so many men who now, yes, I get what you're saying. Everyone deals with the difference, but they have a very, very small problem that they're turning into a big problem.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

And what you need to tell them is. And that's, that's what I'm saying is you need to suck it up. Like that's. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Now, when these, when these are real mountains and you've. And like anything else, like a triage, you know, of sorts, when you've tried this and this and this and this, it doesn't work. It's professional time. And that's not what. That's not where my, My problem lies.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's.

[Brent Tucker]

We just have an insane amount of people who are. Who are. Who don't really need it. There are a hundred victimizing themselves.

[Chris Eisenhower]

There are a hundred. Okay. There are a ton of people out there that their behavioral health. What would be a diagnosis is their identity.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. And if your disease becomes your identity, you cannot heal. Right? So. And the other thing is, like, we look at behavioral health like it's. It's curative. It's not. There's no magic cure for any behavioral health thing you got going on. The difference is healing. Right? The difference. And the difference between a cure and healing is in healing, the patient is an active participant. You're calling yourself on your own bullshit.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. So what's a therapist? Right? A therapist. All you're doing when you talk to a therapist is a disinterested party that can break down a fallacy of thought and mirror your back to you without you getting mad. That's it.

[Tyler]

Wow, that's a great breakdown of a therapist.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right, Right.

[Brent Tucker]

That really is. It's a really good definition of a therapist.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And that's what you're finding, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And I, you know, I mean, I think I used this analogy last time, but I talked about therapists, like, they're like strippers and bartenders. You got to find one you like. Right. And if you, if you don't. Relationships, it's not going to work because you want this thing. Well, then back to your point. Of course there's going to be that thing because so in my practice, like, every provider in my practice was an operator before they were in medicine. Every single one.

[Brent Tucker]

Love that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

My director. My director of behavioral health was a MARSOC sergeant major, and now he's a therapist. Well, you go in there and you talk to him, he's gonna call you on your. Because he was smoking dudes in Fallujah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

He's like, yeah, well, I've done that too. He's Like, I understand you're not mad about killing people. That was your job. Let's talk about the. That's really bothering.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. You know, and.

[Brent Tucker]

And you solved really, what took my. My issue. Yeah. With a lot of these things. It is, because you identified it, too.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And 100.

[Brent Tucker]

I love that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It was my issue with it too.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And. And I went through a ton of therapists because I didn't. I mean, I had training, degrees, all these things in this stuff. I was running a. For, you know, I was working for jsoc. I was running this stuff. I was like, you know, doing it. I was working. It's working. It's working. What I realized is my breaking down. I was just working harder and harder and harder to not deal with shit that was bothering me. Right. So I was drinking it away. I was working extra hours. I was exercising. I got to this point where, you know me. You know me a long time. I do not like to run. Right. Like, I was running, like, 11, 12 miles because my heart rate would go up so high because I'd have an anxiety attack that I would just run to mask it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Be like, okay, I'm running. Okay. I'm still running.

[Brent Tucker]

There's a reason.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay. Now. Now it's not a problem because I should have a high heart rate. You know, stuff like that. So you go through it and then. And then kind of. I left active duty and I lost my tribe.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And I then covet, hit, and I really lost it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And just melted me down. And I was like, what the. And I. So I went through all the stuff, and I was looking at it. I was, like, going through the things. I was like, man, like. Like, again, I will even to this day, like, art therapy that, like, you know, like, I don't. I break my crayons. I don't like it. You know, but there's. There's all these things. Everything you do in mental health is a tool. Just like nods are a tool. Flashlights a tool, suppressor's a tool. All these different things, like, whatever the modality is in it all. Mental health is about one thing. Neuroplasticity.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what I was thinking.

[Chris Eisenhower]

All of it, period. Right. I knew you were. I could see it.

[Brent Tucker]

I was like. I was like, there's only one answer.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The only one answer.

[Tyler]

Trying to say it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And again, for our listeners, let them know what neuroplasticity is.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay? So when you were a little kid, you would look up at the clouds and you see, like, shapes and Bunnies. And you were creative and you'd play pretend and all that stuff, right? That is the def. The definition of neuroplasticity. Your brain can take you anywhere it needs to go. As we age, our brain loses its ability to do that. If you have traumas, you lose your ability to protect you.

[Brent Tucker]

To protect you.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay? And if you have traumas, it kind of intrigues. And as we get older, we get set in our ways. So TBIs, PTSD, this. This whole continuum of things that we go through. Blast, overpressure, all these things fuck with it. Because you get. So when you think of old people are cranky, it's because they are triggered and groove their brains out to be that way. That's just where the thoughts are going. They're going through those pipelines, right? So when you do talk therapy, you're trying to expand and work through fallacies of thought because you have programmed the computer to go on that file pathway, right? That's what you've done. And then as we age between 35 and 45, we lose a massive amount of that neuroplasticity. Well, then if you have a TBI on top of that, now you have brain injury and lack of neuroplasticity. And then you get these things. So you're breaking the dag. Breaking. And so what do we try to do? Talk therapy. Let's fire up some of these neurons, use our computer, open some different files, go to some different websites, maybe some more positive stuff. Whatever, right?

[Tyler]

Talk about, like, in your head.

[Chris Eisenhower]

In your head? Yeah, like you're the. Yeah, like in your head. Like, if you're using the analogy, your brain is a chemical computer. Yep. Right. And then, like, neurons are just file pathways.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay?

[Chris Eisenhower]

So files are corrupted, and you keep going down the file pathway, it's gonna get shit, right? So what we're doing is using all of these tools to kind of run antivirus on your chemical computer. Talk therapy is a tool, emdr, which is using your eyes to cross midline in your brain, which is. If. So for you guys standpoint, it is the same reason that when you are moving and shooting and you're static shooting, your abilities are different because you're using different parts of your brain. Like, there's guys that are like kind of their groups all over when they're static, but they're like keyhole when they're walking, or vice versa, because you're using completely different parts of your brain to take those shots. So as we break that down, we're like, all right, so what else can we do? And we're talking about art, we talk about music, we talk about all these things. All those things kind of make your brain do other stuff. So then we use meds. We're like, okay, well, what are meds doing? Meds are masking symptoms.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. We're not fixing. We're masking. And we're putting you here because if you go up and you've got these emotions that now you do not have the ability because of injury, because of trauma, because. Because there is a very valid argument that. That PTSD is just a chemical TBI from an extreme amount of chemical, you know, neurotransmitters that get dumped in your brain. So then, like, how do we fix. How do we fix these problems? Well, let's see if we can increase neuroplasticity. It kind of goes back to, like, SOCOM started using ketamine for pain control on the battlefield in lieu of fentanyl a while back. You remember that? So what we found is guys that got fucked up and got ketamine, their PTSD symptoms were exponentially less because we disassociated them from. From the trauma.

[Tyler]

And that wasn't. That was an accidental.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, they kind of knew. Well, it wasn't so much an accidental finding. It was just like, admitting it, admitting it. And not, like. Because ketamine is an old drug, you know, and it's really old. They'd kind of used it for anesthesia and, like, you know, since the 50s and everything else, and get away from that and like. Oh, you know, and it's a party drug, and it's got this bad rapid vet tranquilizer and all the other stuff that happens. But reality is. Okay, we're doing that. What's it doing? It's chemically turning on all of your neurons at the same time. It's like, so any psychedelic mushrooms, acid, mdma, doesn't matter. They're firing up all your neurons at once.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They're rebooting the computer. Like, if your iPhone's jacked up, it's holding the button down to the apple comes back on. Yeah, Right. So when we do that now we have put your brain in this hyper neuroplastic state, and then we go do talk therapy. And your brain is able to form those connections that couldn't form before.

[Tyler]

Do the neurons stay lit up for a while?

[Brent Tucker]

It's not just when you do it.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, it's. Your first treatment is about 24 to 72 hours. Second treatment's a little longer. Third treatment, fourth like it's a six treatment cycle the way that I run it.

[Tyler]

But the talk therapy and all the things has to be done in that, in between.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep, in those windows and we scheduled in those windows and there's all these pieces that we do with it.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Chris Eisenhower]

So neural pathways. Right. So we're using that, we're doing that like I said, the essentially resetting the, the mechanism resetting the brain. So we, we've used the medication, whatever, you know, ketamine in this case. And we're inducing a hyper neuroplastic state. All therapy is trying to get to that point. We are just using a medication to speed up the process.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. The. Maybe it's an unfair question or maybe you have a like a hypothesis on it. We care so much about mental health right now. Yep.

[Tyler]

I mean it's mean as a society.

[Brent Tucker]

As a society it's, it's a focus. Everyone's so concerned about mental health, yet generally speaking, we're at the worst we've ever been with mental Health. How is that? And again, I'll give up. Maybe another unfair comparison. If we as a nation decided, hey, we want to focus on fitness, if everyone want to focus on fitness, we would be a more fit country. That's just, again, just hypothetically speaking. So why. Maybe you don't even agree with that statement. But if that's my statement, do you want. Do you agree with it? And if. And if so, why?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, yeah, we're obviously what would be considered a mental health crisis. 100%. Why?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Social media, lack of connection, loneliness as.

[Tyler]

A reason what to blame.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Other. Other problems.

[Chris Eisenhower]

What do you think about, like, okay, you had. There's a show like, like, okay, we're all of us grew up with like the bar debate, right? Like, we'd all get, you know, oh, I saw this TV show or whatever. No, that wasn't this. This one, you know, and then all of a sudden the iPhone came out and the Internet and you could just. No, you instantly prove them wrong. So there's no connection. No. You know, you can Google your way out of any of talking to anybody. You can ask AI any question you want and you can get a. Whatever answer. You can.

[Tyler]

You can be your mind with social media.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes. Yeah. So you numb your mind with social media, you can numb your mind with drugs, you know, all these things. But now we've got our way ourselves completely away from actual human connection.

[Brent Tucker]

That is a problem, right?

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's a huge problem. Right. So like, when I said like, my stuff with. That was like, for my personal stuff, it was like I lost my. My tribe, my. My thing, or that's at least how I felt. Right? Because it was that human connection. Because there was. There is an absolute difference. Like you and I can not see each other for six, seven, eight years. Sit down a room and. And it feels just like it was. That's yesterday, right? It's. It's easy because we have bonds, stress bonds. We have other things, but we just understand each other, right? You people need that. You need in your family, you need your friends, you need those things. That's a huge part of it. So narcissistic personality disorder said like a 10,000% increase.

[Tyler]

Diagnosed.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Diagnosed narcissistic person. Yes. Yeah, because you're freaking filtering out all your phone like all this stuff, right? Like all the things that go with it.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a. I know it's weird that you say that because I would almost think that it's. It makes all this. Social media could have the opposite effect that it makes people feel worse about themselves and, and you know, not. But it's had kind of a, well, a different effect. I'm sure it's had that effect.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Well but, and just because somebody's a narcissist doesn't mean they feel good about themselves.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean you're, they're giving, they're giving people, I mean this is going to sound terrible. They're giving people with 203 followers blue check marks because they want. And when I see somebody with a blue check mark with 200 followers, which is what the average person has, I'm like, what is, what are you looking for? Like why do you need that blue check mark?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So, but you're paying for it or something, right? Like they've just monetized. That's business. But like the, I think that it comes down to ultimately if you can take someone and what I do, like what I do day to day. So like a lot of my stuff with all this stuff is what you, what you're talking about. It's, it's suicide versus prevention. It's the day where the, it's where the, the stuff gets so bad that somebody's breaking. And I probably do this once or twice a week. I mean I've, I mean I do suicide response calls probably once or twice a week. Really?

[Tyler]

And what's that, what does it mean?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like something that's actively suicidal, like getting, doing medical behavioral health, like dealing with them and then working with them and doing the follow on care to take care of that person. Because that's the one thing like medically you ain't fixing that. You can fix anything else, whether you're dead. You're dead. Right? You ain't coming back from that. So, so there's, there's the, those pieces and it, yeah, I, I, I do agree with you. I think that there's a place of it. I also think that there's so many people that have been carrying the weight of that stuff silently for so long that finally like your, your 10 pounds of, in a five pound bag just starts pouring out. And when you get them to, you don't need to empty your rucksack. You don't need to like bare your soul. But when you can teach them how to like rebalance it, you can give them their life back.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a little bit different, but same same when, when I retired and I was at my lowest point, oddly enough the, the hardest thing for me was it's horrible sleep. Like it was, I wasn't, I was dealing with things this is horrible. Sleep. I always felt down. Like, you know, I'd been active and working out most my life. Like I can't go to the gym. Just everything. I just, I felt down. I know it's, it's not a cop out. You know, at some point, you know, I finally got like everything tested as I'm retiring and come, come to find out my testosterone levels were just basement. No vitamin D and no testosterone.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's, I'm not saying it's the magical cure for everyone and it wasn't the magical cure, but not having enough testosterone, not being able to work, like those hormone balances are so important in a man's life. I was finally able to work out again. My energy levels came back up. You need vitamin D, you know, for energy in life. And so, and sometimes it's just things like that, you know as well that I was, I was never. That's a, I don't know, maybe, maybe it is a statement. I want to say. I don't know if I was ever going to be the same man with testosterone levels like that, that, like, I don't. It was miserable. It was absolutely miserable.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It. Absolutely. So I, when I left, you only.

[Brent Tucker]

Know that looking back, you know, sorts.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So I, I would get mine tested about every 18 months when I was on active duty and when I, I went from like 795 to like 411 in like a 12 month period where it just tanked.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And no, I have hundreds of HRT patients and I do, I do significant, I do it all as a.

[Brent Tucker]

Mine was in the double digits.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

They made me take it twice. Because they thought it, they thought it was a bad reading.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, because it, and absolutely. And the way that that goes is, I mean, I just. Based on what you were doing, everything you've done, I mean, like, I mean, I know you've heard of operator syndrome. Right. Like, everybody talks about that. Right. And you can hang people and hang their hat on that. What it is. But, but here's. It's a, it's a cluster of things, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. And it's, it's a Venn diagram of where like the perfect storm of these things meet. And that's, that's what it is. And the reason. So if you look at tbi, you're talking about ptsd, trauma, behavioral health stuff. That's a software problem. TBI is a hardware problem. Okay. Right. So when you're figuring them out. Yeah. You're going to have symptoms that overlap and you can have symptoms that are caused by both.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And, and I say that oddly enough, because I, I could have, like, I could have went to all the therapy in the world, but it was, it was of sorts, it was never going to help me because, because I, I, I wasn't. Right. Well, chemically, I don't accept the word I want to use.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, so, yeah, all that stuff. So like the, okay, vitamin D, vitamin K2, like, all these things. Like, I mean, we, my pharmacy partner and my medical director, we have our. Built out our own, like, prescription supplements line based on that stuff because we, we do all of that for, for what, what we're working on and essentially just dialed it all in. It's like, okay, this is what pretty much every patient we have needs to end up taking. Like, and we look at their labs and. But are. We have a very specific patient population, like 3,000 patients and 80% of vets, first responders. And most of those are SF dudes, you know, cops or whatever. I mean, that's all my patients all over the place. And that's our niche. We know, okay, we can fix these guys. We can do medicine on whoever. But I know, like, these are my dudes and I know how to fix those dudes. And I can make it so that their quality of life is exponentially better. I look at that stuff too. Like, it's, the thing with it is there's a lot of, there's a lot of nuance to it. I mean, I, I look at guys that are like, oh, I want to run, you know, like this, this, and this. I was like, okay, that's great. I understand how that is making you feel right now. Let's talk about the risk assessment on what that's actually doing to your body. You know, and like, we can make you, we can get you back to really good levels. We can make you very functional, and we can do it in a way that is healthy. Save your kidneys, save your liver.

[Brent Tucker]

What, what are safe levels to you?

[Chris Eisenhower]

So physiological normal. Typical. Okay, so let's take your typical, like, SF dude, RH.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Your baseline testosterone was probably between 1100, 900. When you're 20 years old, that's your level that will basically take you back to. Okay, so when you're, you're doubling and all the other stuff, like, you're, you feel great, you're building muscle, but you have side effects from these things. Right? Like, you're obviously so testosterone unopposed. People go on estrogen blockers. Like, I'm doing all this testosterone. I'm gonna do all these blockers. I'm gonna do this. Okay. Your nut shrink. You can't get an erection because you've got too much testosterone. People don't understand, you know, like, I'm taking all this testosterone. My dick doesn't work. That's because you yourself up.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

Which is a funny balance because when you're in the. A healthy or slightly elevated one, you got no problem with that. Then it falls off. Big problem.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It is because if you think of. Think. Okay. It's like a stove, right? Gas. Think of it like a gas stove. You have to have a pilot. Like light. Estrogen's pilot light. Once you knock the pilot light off, it's not gonna work. Doesn't care how much gas you got, man.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a good way to put.

[Tyler]

Write this down and use it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Chris Butcher. It becomes so sage and wise with age. Yeah. You're so dumb. When I first met.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I know, it's crazy, right?

[Tyler]

I was talking to somebody the other day, and what you said, kind of Brent, a long time ago on a podcast. I meant because you went through it when you. It's a slow. Like low testosterone is a slow new normal.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Tyler]

Once you're back, once you're feeling great again, you're like, holy. How did I decline to that? But you don't know. It's not like one day you wake up with low test.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Yeah. Even for you, 12 months is a fast way to do it. But at the end of the day, like, you. You fell 50 points a month. You know, like it's. It's. And that was. That's a fast one.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, let's say you. You fall 10 points a month. At some point you just feel, this is the new normal. And you're like, how did I get here? Yeah. And how would you know? Because it just slowly happens to you.

[Chris Eisenhower]

If you have teenage sons, the best thing you can do is pull a baseline testosterone on them.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

They know? Yeah, absolutely. Take them so they know what their baseline is when they're a kid.

[Tyler]

Oh, so they can reference it when they're.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that's a great idea. We went back to the. Did you give me an answer for the range? You threw out some other numbers. What's. What is. What is an ideal or healthy range for. For testosterone? For. For my. I'm 45. Like.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like on.

[Brent Tucker]

On meds.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. I run most.

[Brent Tucker]

What's ideal.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

What do you want them to get.

[Chris Eisenhower]

To generally like that between 750 and a thousand okay. Is where they'll. Where, where they'll feel the best. Because then you go like, okay, you've all seen them. Like, the guys that are on so much testosterone, they look like a tomato because they're bright red, you know? Like, that's because when you're on testosterone, you make extra red blood cells.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay?

[Chris Eisenhower]

A lot of them.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right?

[Tyler]

You gotta donate blood.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You gotta donate blood. So what happens? Like, you got these guys, they don't donate blood. They're like, oh, you know. Yeah, you're feeding all those muscles. But it's. Again, it's like a plumbing system. You got a high pressure pipe, right, Coming into the house. Low pressure drain field.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. If you have so much shit in your drain field that your septic tanks backed up, that's essentially having a fucking stroke. That's what you're getting when you get all those red blood cells. So the reason your shit is brown is because you're shitting out red blood cells. A red blood cell lives between 90 and 120 days. When you are younger, you metabolize through them and break them down faster. Because you are a younger man, your body, those. Those processes in your body are more efficient. But when you boost your testosterone to the levels of 19, your erythropoietin and all the other stuff that's in your body doesn't catch up. You don't magically move your bowels faster, do all this stuff. So you have these. Are they like just this extra sludge in the tank?

[Brent Tucker]

Chris, I'm not just saying this because you're my friend. It's just easier to say it because you're my friend. I love the way you break things down.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Thanks.

[Tyler]

We now know.

[Brent Tucker]

If is. Is there a. Everyone talks about low T, like, that's the, the rage.

[Chris Eisenhower]

If you're.

[Brent Tucker]

It's become. I want to say it's become cool. It's become normalized as. As it should. Is there something else that you would say to people? Just like back then, it would have been a little bit on edgy if you say this big, hey, like testosterone. But now we've kind of got that, like, as a, as, as a society. What. What's. What's next? Is there something else? Like, hey, people talk a lot about testosterone now, but, you know, there's. There's something we've. We've cured that, you know, say cure it. You know what I mean?

[Chris Eisenhower]

My. What's my big one? That I think is like the, the fallacy of medicine.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, but, but, but no, One talks about this, and this is just as important, or this is a. An important thing as well. What it. I don't care. Cholesterol, okay?

[Chris Eisenhower]

So when we were kids, normal cholesterol was like 350.

[Brent Tucker]

All right?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Now they're like, you need to be under 200, right? Well, your brain is all cholesterol. Every biological process in your body goes to cholesterol. The whole medical community can spurge me whatever they want when I say this. But the reason, you know, they're like, oh, like, we watch people, they get mental decline. They do this thing, okay? So the guy that's on keto, okay, that's a CrossFit super ninja, okay? His cholesterol's through the roof. He's on keto. Like, you're. If you only eat meat, you're gonna have high cholesterol, right? That's not the same thing as sitting in a chair, as a sloth licking Crisco off your chest. And, like, with a cholesterol threat, not the same thing, right? So then you look at it and like, oh, cholesterol causes this. This. Okay, well, what we do know is now we do calcium scores on your neck for heart attack and stroke, right? Going back to your vitamin D thing. So now we get calcium in our arteries. We have those thing. We're now looking at it like, oh, we got. All old people should get calcium. Score. Well, what do you need? So calcium, you need it in your bones. If you don't have vitamin D and vitamin K2, calcium will go into your arteries. It'll stay there, it'll line your arteries, break off, cause stroke, Right?

[Brent Tucker]

Wow.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So if you have vitamin D and K2, you will pull it into your bones. Vitamin D doesn't work without K2, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It doesn't work without K2.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Not effectively.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So, like, you. And so all of these things are chemical reactions that are catalysts for other biological functions, right? So we are missing these things, but we're also missing them in our diet. Like, our food in the United States is garbage. Is absolute hot garbage. Like, we strip nutrients out of food. We've. We've. Big Ag is breaking shit down. Monsanto's is destroyed. I mean, corn, okay? Folic acid, right? In wheat. Why can you go to Europe and nobody has fucking gluten issues in Europe. That's not a thing.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Italians are not fat as they eat pasta all day.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You know, Chinese people eat noodles, all that, right? Why? Because we stripped the. The germ and the wheat kind of and we spray all these crops with folic acid. So when any, any bread product you buy, this is fortified. It's got fully gas. We don't digest folic acid. It's not a thing. Like we have folate, but we don't break folic acid down that way. Like, it doesn't work that way. So we're like, so you eat bread in the United States, anything that's fortified grain product, basically, pretty much anything that's in a box is shitty for you if it's, if it's not on the edge of the supermarket. Yeah, it's not good for you.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a very simple way to put it. Yeah, yeah. If it's on the edge of the.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Supermarket, if you go down an aisle, whatever's down there is bad for you.

[Tyler]

Like, I remember when I was first, first got on testosterone, my doctor was like, cholesterol is higher, cholesterol is high. She was trying to push statin on me. I heard horrible things about statin. And I, my dad told me, do this, make a deal with her. Say, I will go get my arteries checked for a hundred bucks through a machine. And if it comes back that your arteries are clear. You won't. I won't. You can't put me on stat. She goes, okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And you know, yeah, absolutely. It is all that. But it's, but if you were Pfizer or Eli Lilly and you were selling a billion dollars worth of Lipitor a month, you'd be telling everybody they need a little cholesterol, right? Yeah, cholesterol. You should take this.

[Brent Tucker]

I want to talk about ketamine for just a second more because I just, I, I hear a lot of talk about it and I, I just, I don't know about it. And what I mean by like, I don't know about it as far as, like, what is a therapeutic of sort of like dosage? Like what, like what, how do you, is, do you just send me pills, you know, of ketamine? Is it injection? It has to be.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I do an iv.

[Brent Tucker]

So if it's an iv, I have to, I have to come to you, you know, to have that done has to be, I guess it's like a supervised type thing. Explain that like that, that process.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay, so let's talk about ketamine. So a surgical dose, Ketamine.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Is.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, let me take it back. This even, even an easier explanation. So say your daughter, little kid, two year old kid, comes in the er, breaks their femur.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

All right. We're like, oh, we got to set this bone, I'm gonna hit that kid with like 50 to 100 milligrams of ketamine real fast. Like, push, push, push. Knock them out, set the bone. They wake up 20 minutes later. Bones, face, legs, and cast. You're all good. That same dose or even lower is what I'm gonna give an adult over 45 minutes to induce the neuro effect.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Super safe.

[Brent Tucker]

And you say the neuro effect. What do I. I know you're talking like chemically chemical nerve, but what. What am I feeling? Am I feeling loopy? Am I feeling high? Like, should I. Am I gonna have. I know I'm being a little dramatic.

[Tyler]

Am I gonna cry?

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, no, no. This is what.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know. I just. Like I said, I don't know, but you know, you. You hear guys going down, like, ayahuasca thing, like seeing things. It's probably. I know it's not going to be that. That extreme.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, no. Okay. Never mind.

[Chris Eisenhower]

100. It's. It's a Grateful Dead concert.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm. I'm. I'm gonna come up and see you. We're. Have a good time.

[Chris Eisenhower]

We are. No, it is. It's a. It is 100 psychedelic experience. So I've done ayahuasca. I've done like all. Like, that's what I did first.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It got me through a very shitty place that I was at, right. I went to it and it. Like I said, I was actively suicidal. So I was like, looking. I was grabbing a straw for anything did it. My thing that I came away from that is like, you got to get to a certain kind of place to lay on the ground and be half dressed with a bunch of hippies throwing up. You got to get to a place.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So I was thinking about, like, how can I help guys like us? I was like, well, I got to put it in a way that's clinical, where they can come talk.

[Tyler]

Trust that right there, that description is why a lot of. I'm not going to Aruba or wherever they go.

[Brent Tucker]

And I hate to say it because so many people I. I've said this before. I don't know how to verbalize it. And it's just for me, I don't. I don't like the idea of it. I don't. But I've had a lot of friends do it, and. And they all. They all have good things to say about it, but I just can't pull the trigger to do that.

[Tyler]

I was gonna ask you a question.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Go Ahead.

[Tyler]

What do you do with guys that are interested in doing it, but they're devout Christians and I don't know, it sounds silly to people when I bring it up, but hallucinogens and all that stuff is considered the occult.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'll add to that. That's part of my, of my issue and one is a Christian and what the Bible says about, you know, always being in control of yourself. And me as a man, I want to be. And you know, I want to be in swipe. I want to be in control of my thoughts. I want to be in control of me. I don't want to give up control. I don't know if that's making sense.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It does.

[Brent Tucker]

It's why I don't get drunk, sloppy drunk on the weekends. You know, I can't.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So there is a. And I guess I look at it like this. You as a Christian in my, my thought process on it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Is God's in control, right?

[Brent Tucker]

To a degree. We also have free will.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay. We have free will. Right. Okay. So God's in control. Like, if you're going to go through something that's a crucible, like, if you need to go through it. And you. So. And I will. I will preface that with. I think when you come out of these experience, you will have more control over your thoughts and understanding of the way that your mind works than you ever had before.

[Brent Tucker]

So let's again, like, walk it down. I come up. You. You put me in a padded room.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's. So I guess I'll just walk it through. Like, yeah, my, my experience with it. So I, I, for me, like, it is not it. I think it's the closest to God I've heard that you can find on earth. Like, you. It's. It. So. And it's beautiful, but there's also parts of it that are scary. But if. You know. But that's. That's the thing, right? You will not look up on the face of God. Like, the whole, the whole process of that. So when, when you're doing it, we are from it. So going back to, like, why the ayahuasca thing was great for me, it was a very profound spiritual experience and not in a negative way at all. Like, and then. But where, where it comes to that is like, the reason I did this is because of that. That same question is like, if, if this can really help people, how can you make this something that they can actually digest, break down and say, okay, what. What am I doing here?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And so you come to see Me. And first of all, like, so Emerald Medical, my practice is partnered with Operation Field Trip, which is a nonprofit oper. Nonprofit charity event that. That we do that is funded by Combat Vets to Careers and the Take a Knee Foundation.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And we have raised a lot of money, and basically, any vet or first responder that shows up, we will give them ketamine treatments and behavioral health treatments for free. Like, you got to come to us. But we. It's funded.

[Brent Tucker]

Where's your clinics at?

[Chris Eisenhower]

So this is the. This is the kicker.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

We go to where we are needing.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So right now we're running operations in the villages.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Right. Okay. In the villages. They had some events there with their EMS and stuff that they needed some behavioral health support. And we.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Took our stuff. We're running up there. You can also come to my office. Run an office. So this is kind of the break.

[Brent Tucker]

Where's your. That's.

[Chris Eisenhower]

My office is in Vera Beach, Florida.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So Emerald Medical, we'll tag all the stuff on it. Whatever. Obviously, tag the other podcast. I guess we got to mention that later, too. But the. The. So you come in, we start an IV on you. You're laying on a, you know, comfortable bed. Like, you know, like, whatever. Like a. Just like a lounge. Chase Lounge kind of thing. Right. You know, put on some headphones. You put on a sleep mask and play, like, spa music. If you've ever had surgery.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You've had ketamine, right? Okay. If you've had surgery, you've had ketamine. Like, they induce anesthesia with it, right? So what do we do? So you get this little. This slow drip, and you're getting, you know, like. Like half a. You know, half a milligram a minute dripping into a milligram a minute over the course of the iv and it's just dripping. It's going in, and it's inducing this conscious sedation. You're not out. You're just like if you went to the dentist and you consciously sedated you to take your wisdom teeth out or whatever. Same thing. Same, same. We are just inducing it without doing any surgical stuff to you to let your brain reset. The psychedelic part of it has nothing to do with fixing it because it's.

[Tyler]

Like turning the lights on so you can go inside and fix.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. So like, now the. The psychedelic experience is kind of like a place, like the Bob Ross thing, like a happy side effect. It's a happy little tree over here. Right. But at the end of the day, here's what it is, we don't get a lot of points when said when you're waking up from a dream. You know how you're waking up from a dream? Like, you know, you're waking up, you're still dreaming? Yeah, I'm inducing that.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and how long. How you. Is it an overnight thing?

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's 45 minutes.

[Brent Tucker]

It's 45 minutes. After the 45 minutes, you can get in your car and leave.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, you have to have a driver.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Okay, that's.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes, you have to have a driver. You can't get, you can't drive for. Because you'll crave some sugar. Because we're firing your. All your neurons in your brain. We're like lighting your brain up, making it super active.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, then my, then my brain is super active. I'm craving sugar all the time. But that's just probably because I'm a fat kid.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Maybe, but maybe so that, I mean, so we do that and then we schedule your behavioral health talk therapy appointment and we kind of go through it and then there's, there's some of it where they can describe, you know, they'll, they'll talk you through. Like, okay, I saw this. And this. And this is like, don't describe meaning the things that you saw your brain. So your brain, again, chemical, computer. Everything you've seen, taste, touched and smelled experienced in your whole life is in there.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It's all in there.

[Tyler]

So I'm supposed to talk. So I would talk with somebody about what I experienced?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, absolutely. And we talk about. And we do go through therapy and talk to stuff. But then the therapy, the talk therapy makes your brain neuroplastic. So all those walls you put up as why this is not going to work for me, you know, I. Fuck this, I'm too this. Like, you're going to just be a little more like, receptive to the idea of what soon? Because your brain is hyper neuroplastic. We're not changing your traumas. We're not changing your thoughts or changing your memory drain washing. It's nothing like that. It's giving you the space to do that. Just like I said, the therapist is going to talk back to you. Reveal your own fallacies of thought as a mirror. And then you're going to process through that, but you're going to do it with the neuroplasticity. Oh, yeah, that is kind of up. I shouldn't think that way.

[Tyler]

Well, I have a question. So let's say like people. Oh, thank you. When people. Let's Say they're worried about loot. They have their edge. That's how they get through life. There's a lot of downfalls in how they operate. But they're sharp. They're sharp because of all the things they've been through and the calluses they've built. This is how they look at it. If they go through something like that to fix all the bad stuff that being sharp like that does, will it dull that spear edge? So now they're not as like.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, it actually will make you better.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yes. So because you're a neuroplastic. Right. So think about like a cop. Right. Like you, you need anxiety as an emotion to do the jobs that we do. Like you need it.

[Tyler]

Exactly.

[Chris Eisenhower]

But when you're redlining and you're always anxious, it's no longer an asset. Okay. Because you need it as a tool. But if it's over here, it can never be used as a tool because it's like it's just always on.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Chris Eisenhower]

If we take you back down and now you get that tool back.

[Tyler]

So you still have the anxiety.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. But you can still. You're going to still have anxiety, but it's not controlling.

[Tyler]

You're not like a hippie.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah. Right. You don't.

[Brent Tucker]

This is maybe, maybe an odd question, but. And now it's not me masking anything. Like I'm. I don't need talk therapy. Like I'm. I'm fine. I'm fine. I am a little concerned and maybe, maybe I'm understanding wrong. I don't fully understand it about my brain and tbis and like not, I don't know, maybe best way to describe it. Firing on all. On all cylinders and would like that, that you know, neuro pathway to be lit up. To be lit up. Could I come in? Just, just for that, for like a, for like a reset. And you just trust me that I say I'm good when I say I'm good. Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Well. And no, because we'll do it.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm trying to, you know, window shop and you know, and.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, no.

[Brent Tucker]

And so you can choose. But, but if I feel like, hey, this is, this is what I want.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Absolutely. And I also think there's some. There's a lot of other things there too. I'll talk to you about the other stuff that we do for like tbi brain injury. Like there's some other things. But. Yes, absolutely. Okay. So what that. And what does that do for you? Because we will still like debrief it. But I'm not gonna Put you in therapy session. It'd be me talking.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

It'd be very much like this conversation.

[Brent Tucker]

You'll just be like, whoa.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like, you'll be like, you'll. You'll have your mind blown a little bit, but it'll be like this conversation.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I mean, I even have it where you talk about the. The. The Christian side of it. I have Christian therapists that do client counseling after this.

[Tyler]

Really?

[Chris Eisenhower]

I have. I have a lot of ministers that have gone through it to understand it, like, why they're, you know, because they're paid. Their. Their flock or whatever in their church are going through it and they're like, okay, well, I need to understand. And they go through it a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's interesting.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And it's to. It's to the degree of, okay, what do you. What are you offering it? You know, like, what are you trying to do here? And it is the end state, right? Like, but if you look at anything that comes forward, right? Anything that's affecting your mind, that same thing is like, well, you. You drink caffeine, you nicotine, you know, all these things. Like, you know, you take Lipitory, do all these other things. It's like, it. You get to the point where you're like, I don't even think it's like splitting hairs. It's just like, it's lack of understanding. And once you understand it, it's not scary. Right. Because it is a neurochemical reaction. It's a biological process.

[Brent Tucker]

Tell me about the podcast that you want to. Oh, you mentioned.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay, so it's the dose adjustment, and we're actually on Counterculture. We're just dropped episode three.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yesterday.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So we kind of got enough feedback from the live show that we started a medical. I love that medical podcast. We'll go over this. We're gonna start a whole section on trauma medicine and.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Like, edc, medical stuff and all that kind of stuff.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's a very. It's a very, very good love.

[Brent Tucker]

It was the name of it. One more time.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The Dose Adjustment.

[Brent Tucker]

The Dose Adjustment. Welcome to the wonderful and painful world of podcasting.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You don't have an episode.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Too bad.

[Tyler]

Go film one.

[Chris Eisenhower]

But it's.

[Brent Tucker]

But it's great. We talked about this last night on the Live. Like, this is.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And.

[Brent Tucker]

And I. And I think it should be anywhere. And this is why, like, podcasts are taking off, you know, so. Well, I don't watch TV anymore. I'm too busy. You know, I don't have a TV in my truck.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

But, you know, I can. But I still yearn for information. So how do I get information? Podcasts. I can. I can. I can pick what I want to learn, when I want to learn it, and I'm also not filtered. That's right. And yeah, that's.

[Chris Eisenhower]

That's the biggest thing about any of it is like, it's not trolls. It's not a narrative.

[Brent Tucker]

Something. Yeah, it's.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

What I like about your podcast is not saying that. Not saying that you won't in the future, but a lot of podcasts, when they start, they're automatic. They're. It. Rightfully so. The podcast is a marketing arm for a product that they. They're selling. So you just run your own advertisement. You guys literally are just providing information to people, and it's the most useful information. All the questions that me and Brent are asking right now. You talk about that stuff on your podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep. And unlike Fox News, I can't ask them a question. You know, it's a. It's a. It's a half joke. But, you know, people hear things from us. They. They reach out to us. We do our best to. To answer. I probably shouldn't say this, but I. I try my hardest. We still go on the Instagram dms. We try to answer people, even with our consider compared to the big boys.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, our 60, 000 followers on Instagram. We were just talking about this the other day. There's no way we can. I don't know how people keep up.

[Tyler]

Finding, like, new folders with messages in it, like general, unanswered, unread.

[Brent Tucker]

But at the end of the day, whether it be Patreon, which, you know, not pushing that, but for a. The. Basically a cup of coffee, you. If you want to, you can get. You can get a hold of us.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And the same thing with your podcast. If. If they really wanted to and they. They could. They could get a hold of you. Well, they can ask questions.

[Chris Eisenhower]

They can just call my office. Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Open up that door.

[Tyler]

Open up a new line.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, I mean. And that's fine. But I mean, we're like that. But that's. I mean, we're doing the podcast. You know, you say it's a. It's not a. It's whatever for product. But it is. I mean, it's the idea of, like, I. I want these patients.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You know, like, I. I think that we can help them. I mean, that's what Amir's doing too. I mean, we're actually so. Our. So Amir Is my co host on the podcast. He owns three pharmacies. I've got my medical offices. We're actually combining them. We're just making a tmc, like a super clinic pharmacy in the office.

[Tyler]

Nice.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So like we're doing the. Yeah. So you're doing that. I'm doing. Getting the stuff to do hyperbaric oxygen, doing red light therapy.

[Brent Tucker]

Hyperbaric oxygen is something I've been looking into a lot lately.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So we'll get to that. Because we're doing it like, so we're doing as a protocol for ptsd, tbi. Same concept. Right. Like all these things, like what are we. Because what are we looking at? And I know that like again, you're doing the thing like there's a million ways that people are selling human performance. And it is, it's. It is the niche thing and all that. That's cool. That's great. Right? There's million people out there. There's that. What? You can't even meet all the need.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Human performance is simply this. What is that person's goal standard or whatever that they're gonna feel. If you are 60 and it's like, if I fall, I don't break a hip. Great. You know, like that's fine. Right. If you can go be athlete and everybody's under the bell curve, where do you want to be in the bell curve? Yeah, like that's what you need. So if you're just going to be there and you want to be like the 50 guy and maybe make it to 55, take a men's one a day. Yeah, don't worry about it. You know, and I do love this.

[Brent Tucker]

About, you know, technology and advancements, you know, unlike whatever it is, heck, you can even really call it 20 years ago. But. But we'll just say the last generation, like you were stuck in that bell curve, generally speaking. And there's nothing you could do to move that needle. And that's just not true today. Like if. I'm not saying you could move the needle massively to 22. That's right. Yeah. We're not turning back the. The hands of time. But we can move the needle. You're not stuck there. You don't have to be.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, you're not. And you can. Yeah. So you can take, you know, if you look at all of it like everything, you got weight loss drugs, you got psychedelics, you got testosterone, you got creatine, methylene blue, freaking. We got Viagra. We got all the things that can make you like.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No Viagra. Is great for your brain. Like 100. Like we do like, do we do custom combinations of different meds for tbi of all kinds of stuff, like custom supplements for that.

[Tyler]

It's in his energy or Pre workout. The T1 RX Viagra is an active ingredient because it's prescription. What does Viagra.

[Brent Tucker]

It opens up your blood flow. Yeah, Yeah.

[Tyler]

I didn't know that you take Viagra.

[Brent Tucker]

No, no, but I'm not. Not opposed to it. It's for. For other reasons.

[Tyler]

Yeah, for workouts.

[Brent Tucker]

Workouts.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, it is great because we sell this pre workout. I go, I need some more of those pre workouts. I was like, how many you taking? Enough.

[Brent Tucker]

At this dose. What are you working out? Four times a day. Cuz he already went through.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, you went through all of them.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Chris Eisenhower]

But the.

[Brent Tucker]

You're going to be. You're going to be winning all the shape. How about a rest day?

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, rest day. But it is that. But I mean we just like our last episode was just on like erectile dysfunction. How like people don't. It's obviously people get embarrassed about it. Like it's just one of those things. Right. And then you go in like what do you. I'm doing this much trt. It's like, well, you have yourself the. It's. It's treatable. But the, the I really like short of really screwing your hormones up, most erectile dysfunction is psychological.

[Brent Tucker]

Really? In what way? As far as like stress and stressing yourself.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Stress and all. Yeah, like it's. It's in your head like go get. So. Yeah, because so. And basically the way you kind of talk that through is like if you wake up with morning wood, even if it's not like full like what it was back in the day, if you wake up with morning wood, you don't have an erectile dysfunction problem.

[Brent Tucker]

You have a. That's right. You just haven't let the stress of.

[Chris Eisenhower]

The day hit you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You woke up on a clean slate. And the rest of the.

[Chris Eisenhower]

You did it yourself.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, is. Is there anything else that you want to talk about or cover? I mean, you know, I want to make sure that, that you got all your.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No. So. Yes. T1RX.com that's a supplement. You know our, our line for supplements and medical visits and all the things we're doing.

[Brent Tucker]

T number one.

[Chris Eisenhower]

T number one Rx that drinkhalo.com is the cannabis side of what we're doing. And that's a whole other episode in Another Talk. But the. That. That's a great thing. The big one. Operation Field trip. Operation Field trip is still doing it. Oh yes. Taking applications. If you get on the waiting list, we will get to you. If anybody that wants to donate, they can go to take a kneefoundation.org and we'll take any donations we can get because every, every one of you know, every dollar helps. The stuff that we're doing, we have got it down to basically they get their, their ketamine, their doctor's visit and their therapy session for a $600 donation pays for a veteran to get their treatment.

[Brent Tucker]

Wow.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So we're basically running at cost as many people as we can.

[Brent Tucker]

I love it. I love what you're doing, Chris. Man, I couldn't, I couldn't be more proud of you, man.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Thank you.

[Brent Tucker]

I really couldn't. I love that, that you came back here. We're gonna hang out some more after, after this. But I'm not letting you go that easy because you're gonna have to tell us a funny story before you gotta. Before you get out of the hot seat.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I think Brent's going to regret that.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh man, I feel like I'm not going to regret it. Cuz there's only so many stories that he, that he can tell.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah, right.

[Tyler]

He's got a limited.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. That wasn't a challenge, by the way. It wasn't a challenge.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No. I will. So two things that I, I will. This was so. I knew Brent before he had ever had anything to drink. Like I knew burnt pre alcohol. Like completely pre alcohol.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Chris Eisenhower]

So Brent shows up, he's finally at the end of the Q course. Maybe had like 20 beers the whole time he's in the Q course. I mean he was, you know, church mouth, sober for most of it. I get back from Afghanistan, him and our friend Teddy show up. I got a cooler full of Coronas, walk off the plane, kind of hug my mom and dad, have dinner with them. Next day, you know, drink Coronas. We head down to Myrtle Beach. We get so brand, you know, he's like, I'm gonna drink with the boys. Me and Taddy are doing shots of tequila. We're drinking cruttus, whatever. He's like, I orders a drink, he picks something on the menu and this waitress comes back with this sand pill. Like a kid's sand pill with a shovel in it.

[Brent Tucker]

I remember this now.

[Chris Eisenhower]

This thing is like the only other thing that could be an accoutrement for this would be like a pink dildo. It was the gayest figure, like it was. It was cream this high. It was, like, strawberry 14 cherries, and it's in this pink bucket. And he is just trying to look as manly as he can, floating in an inner tube in a lazy river. Just floating around with his bucket of whipped cream. Yeah. You put this in a mug? Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you remember? You guys give me a hard time about that. I do. Not much has changed. I still, oddly enough, enjoy, like, fruitier drinks. I drink MC Ultras because. Because they're watered down. I still don't, like. I'm 45 now. I still don't like the taste of alcohol, but the reason why I put up with. With beer, because I can't stand the hangover of a sugary drink.

[Chris Eisenhower]

No, absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

It's.

[Chris Eisenhower]

I. I mean, I've been. I've been sober 16 months.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Chris Eisenhower]

And, like, you know, alcoholics, that's not for me anymore. There's days I definitely miss it. Like, I'd be like, I could really use a shot of tequila right now kind of deal. But it's. It's just not, you know, that's not there for me anymore. But, like, the. The other side of that list, this is another. Oh, man. What's the other. Now those are. We're good. And with that. We're good. All right. I was like, I got another one.

[Brent Tucker]

I feel like that's just whatever. It just feels. It's been enough time. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to have you on later for that story forever. Chris, I can't thank you enough for coming out and hanging out. Like I said, we're about to do some more of that.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Thanks to everything you've done. Thanks for everything you continue to do for. For vets.

[Chris Eisenhower]

Thanks, guys. I appreciate it.