Spirit Airlines, RIP Ted Turner, VA Downsizing, Cruise Ship Death Virus (05/06/2026)

Summary

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The Antihero Broadcast

Episode: "Spirit Airlines, RIP Ted Turner, VA Downsizing, Cruise Ship Death Virus"
Date: May 6, 2026

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Overview

This episode of The Antihero Broadcast brings together the show’s signature banter and blue-collar irreverence to tackle a range of current events impacting veterans, first responders, and working Americans. The hosts — Mike, Tyler, Jake, and guest Peter B. — mix heartfelt tributes, candid takes on major news, and cutting satire. Core stories include: the abrupt shutdown of Spirit Airlines, the passing of Ted Turner and his deep impact on wrestling and TV, a deadly virus outbreak aboard an international cruise ship, the ongoing downsizing of the VA and its fallout for vets, plus discussions about law enforcement culture and the challenges facing both officers and future recruits. The episode concludes with an interview with Nick McCarthy of the Code 33 Project, a mentorship initiative for new police candidates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Remembering Ted Turner — Cable Pioneer & Wrestling Icon

(04:40 - 09:37)

• News of Ted Turner’s death at 87 prompts an in-depth look at his legacy in media and pro wrestling.

• Tyler and Mike reminisce about Turner’s impact: founding CNN, TBS, Cartoon Network, and most notably WCW, which challenged WWF/WWE in the '90s wrestling wars.

• They discuss Turner’s fandom, business mistakes, and the effect of wrestling creative power in WCW’s downfall.

• Notable Quote:
  "Ted Turner, let me see, let me pull—You got Ted Turner, you got founder of tnn, founder of tbs, cnn. ... And the most important ownership in history of my child, owner of the WCW World Championship Wrestling. That went head to head with wwe." (05:10, Tyler)

• Touches on the human realities of family inheritances and how wealth changes end-of-life dynamics.

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2. Fallen Law Enforcement: Trooper Kevin Trainor

(03:05 - 04:11)

• Somber acknowledgment of the line of duty death of Massachusetts State Trooper Kevin Trainor, killed by a wrong-way driver.
• The hosts emphasize the daily and under-acknowledged risks that officers face.
• Notable Moment:
  "Trooper Kevin Trainer was killed about 2am last night. ... God bless his family and all his co workers and we hope if there's anything we can do up there, anybody gets in touch with us, we will absolutely help in any way we can." (03:05, Tyler)

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3. Cruise Ship Hantavirus Outbreak Horror

(10:27 - 14:54)

• Coverage of a cruise ship (MV Hondius) outbreak of hantavirus: Three dead, five others ill, and the ship anchored off the coast of West Africa.
• Spirited debate about cruise ship quarantine protocols, logistics of food and supply delivery, and the broader risk of infectious diseases returning to the U.S.
• Anecdotes about cruise ship disappearances and passenger incidents reinforce concerns about cruise travel hazards.
• Memorable Exchange: "Three people were evacuated from the hantavirus hit cruise ship...three people that are dead and five more people sick from this virus." (11:15, Mike)
  "I got some news last night that G money might have the vanta virus." (12:57, Tyler — sarcastic dig at a regular guest's absence)

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4. Spirit Airlines Abrupt Collapse

(15:23 - 23:36)

• Spirit Airlines abruptly ceases operations nationwide with no warning for employees or travelers.

• 17,000 workers instantly out of a job; chaos at airports.

• The hosts blast Spirit’s management for inefficiency, failed mergers, and a lack of employee and customer transparency.

• Political angle: Elizabeth Warren’s vote and government intervention are said to have played a role in the airline’s failure to secure a bailout.

• Clip and Commentary:
  Clips show stranded employees, no severance packages, and lost insurance.
  "Employees were showing up to work with no flights on the board. ... It's the latest Spirit sent to all staff Saturday stating the company will be permanently closing all of its operational locations." (18:22, Mike)
  Notable satirical moment: Meme mention of Elizabeth Warren kneeling on a Spirit plane (23:01).

• Reflection on why airline industry layoffs cause more uproar than other mass layoffs.

• Spirit’s reputation:
  Hosts and guests joke about Spirit's notorious safety reputation—yet note it never had a major crash.

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5. VA Downsizing and Its Impact on Veterans

(44:04 - 49:53)

• VA began shedding tens of thousands of positions in late 2025—first major net workforce decrease in decades.

• Massive delays and denials for health care, particularly mental health, are worsening for veterans due to staffing caps and shrinking resources.

• Discussion about political responsibility with both Trump and congressional influence cited.

• Debate over how government decisions reflect real care and support for veterans—often falling short of their proclaimed priorities.

• Quote:
  "I called the va. I call five numbers in the Central Florida region. Every single one hung up on me. ... I was able to leave a message, and nobody called me back." (44:54, Mike)

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6. Law Enforcement: Culture, Downfalls, and the Next Generation

(29:23 - 56:38)

a. Police Misconduct and Departmental Double-Standards

• Florida Corrections Deputy Acevedo arrested for battering handcuffed inmates and orchestrating a cover-up, hammering home that police are not immune to arrest for criminal behavior—although often slowly and after the fact.
• Frustration with perceived delays in holding officers accountable is highlighted.
• Discussion about the myth of preferential treatment for cops (31:04, Tyler).

b. Law Enforcement Benefits and Medical Retirement

• Guest Peter B. shares his challenging experience with medical retirement from Mississippi law enforcement: delayed, undercut, and forced to sue for what he was owed; spent all of his settlement just to survive.
• Explains the harsh reality for cops who are injured on or off duty, especially regarding medical retirement and income caps for pensioners.
• Notable Quote:
  "They medically retired me after an injury, then drug out my retirement process. Supposed to be, by law, 90 days to respond...they took nine months, then denied it." (53:27, Peter B.)

c. Law Enforcement Recruitment, Police Academy Culture, and Softening Standards

• Interview with Nick McCarthy (Code 33 Project, 63:04 – 85:54):

  • Mentoring new recruits, focusing on mindset, honesty about the demands and not sugarcoating the job.
  • Argues against soft recruitment and the dangers of "TikTok police," plus the value of real-world life experience (not just a clean record).
  • The group debates college degree requirements for police and promotions: “Work ethic matters more than a degree for policing.”

• Memorable Quotes:
  "We're not there to, you know, do the Dougie on Tick Tock for views. We're there to take jail." (66:15, Nick McCarthy)
  "The best cops are always people that have actually been handcuffed before in their life because they know exactly what they're doing to somebody." (67:26, Mike)

• Advocacy for agencies to promote based on documented work, investigative experience, and critical incident handling, rather than educational credentials alone (79:29, Tyler).

• Recognition that changes in law enforcement practice are driven by shifting cultural and political winds, sometimes prioritizing public relations over field effectiveness.

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7. Show Personality, Community, and Inside Jokes

• Regular shoutouts to and playful roastings of Patreon supporters and OG Council members.
• Repeated banter about absent co-host “G Money” with running jokes about him faking sick, and even a “new podcast” meme depicting him as a California surfer.
• Commentary on their own blue-collar roots, technical mishaps, and a tongue-in-cheek rivalry over who is the real “regular dude.”

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8. Other Noteworthy Segments

• SWAT Team News: San Antonio SWAT officers involved in a justified shooting, discussion of elite units spending more time on competition than active policing (27:07 – 28:54).
• Department Procurement Scandals: Lively accusations that retiring command staff often move to companies awarded major agency contracts—“put on the polo the next day” (42:46, Mike).
• Fun, Oddball Suggestions: Humorous suggestions about police tactics — including "Texas Tickle Fighting" and throwing snakes to subdue suspects (113:08+).
• Political and Cultural Rants: Segues into broader constitutional, social, and internet border debates, including sharp jabs at Texas Governor Abbott and Ohio political races (92:14+).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On End-of-Life Wealth Battles:
  "No matter how much your children and your spouse love you, the only thing on their mind is that money." (08:40, Mike)
• On Spirit Airlines’ Demise:
  "Spirit Airlines was ran the most inefficient way possible. ... They've had tons of times where they could have done different with their money, and they just ran it into the ground." (16:20, Mike)
• On VA Downsizing:
  "I spent an hour trying to get a hold of somebody at the va, and not one person called me back." (44:54, Mike)
• On Modern Police Recruiting:
  "You can be in uniform dancing around and doing whatever it is they do. But that's, that's not what is expected of you when you get to the street..." (66:15, Nick McCarthy)
• On Training and Promotion:
  "Bring me your last five felony investigations... Show me the dedication you put into cases and that led to some flipping an informant or getting a burglar caught." (78:21, Tyler)
• On Law Enforcement Burnout:
  "It's a hard, I think it's hard to explain to someone that you're expendable, you're replaceable and not just like on a superficial level." (57:05, Jake)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------| | 03:05 | Tribute to Trooper Kevin Trainor | | 04:40 | Ted Turner’s Impact on TV, Wrestling | | 10:27 | Cruise Ship Hantavirus Outbreak Analysis | | 15:23 | Spirit Airlines Shutdown Explored | | 23:36 | The Only Airline Without a Crash: Spirit Lore | | 29:23 | Florida Deputy Misconduct, Law Enforcement Culture | | 44:04 | VA Workforce Cuts and Consequences | | 53:27 | Peter B. on Medical Retirement Ordeal | | 63:04 | Code 33 Project Interview with Nick McCarthy | | 66:15 | Critique of “TikTok Recruiting” and Soft Policing | | 78:21 | Shifting Promotion from Degrees to Casework | | 92:14 | Texas, Abbott, and ‘Borders on the Internet’ Rant | | 103:00 | NYPD Political Speech, George Floyd & Kneeling |

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Tone & Style

• Language is blunt, irreverent, heavily laced with sarcasm and in-group humor typical for the show’s target demographic (veterans, first responders, blue-collar workers).
• The dialogue is candid, sometimes coarse, and often self-deprecating, especially when discussing their own careers or industry absurdities.
• The camaraderie is palpable, evidenced in recurring jokes, light ribbing, and topical digressions.

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its unvarnished perspectives on both headline events and cultural trends within law enforcement and blue-collar America. The hosts balance criticism of political and institutional failures with the humor and fraternity of those who’ve lived the life. Audience members are not just listeners, but participants in an ongoing “team room” conversation about what matters to the unsung working class — with plenty of laughs, a little righteous anger, and a refusal to take themselves too seriously.

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Transcript

[Jake]

I should.

[Mike]

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[Tyler]

JV Team for Life Good morning.

[Mike]

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[Tyler]

Don't forget to check out our Patreon. We actually have a Patreon guest in the house. We introduce here in a moment Patreon giveaways. So join the Patreon. You get to see Tyler running, dying. You get to see all the background when G money calls out sick. We make sure we update the Patreon first. So check out the Patreon. And we we have a special guest in the house from Patreon, Peter B. From the OG Council man, thank you so much for coming by.

[Peter B.]

What's going on guys?

[Tyler]

What's going on? You. You actually brought gifts for everybody as part of the Patreon giveaway. You want we should have had one ready to show but we're not good enough for that. But you want to explain we are much. You want to talk about yourself and why you're a member of the council and why you ended up here sitting with us.

[Peter B.]

Oh gosh, that's a lot.

[Mike]

So you just compliment us dude. That's all.

[Tyler]

That's your layup to Tell Tyler you're like, damn, Tyler, you're taller than I thought, man.

[Peter B.]

You know, it is what it is. But no, I love the show. Came out, made all those lights 3D, printed some lights to give away for everybody but former law enforcement, technically medically retired, although it didn't go as planned. Spent 10 years with the state of Mississippi.

[Tyler]

So awesome. And we will absolutely show one of those lights after the break. Make sure we get that.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, we'll get it. We'll get it during the break.

[Tyler]

Before we get the show rolling though. There's always something shitty happening in the world of policing and we lost a. Gotta get that banner down. I got it. We lost a. An amazing dude described by his co workers, Trooper Kevin Trainor of the Massachusetts State Police was killed senselessly by a wrong way driver. I know we joke about traffic and stuff, but those things are very important. Important to be able to stop those people, pit those people and enforce that. So one of a guy described by. Who you want there, who you want your backup to be, Trooper Kevin Trainer was killed about 2am last night. So shout out to the Massachusetts State Police who are grieving. God bless his family and all his co workers and we hope if there's anything we can do up there, anybody gets in touch with us, we will absolutely help in any way we can.

[Mike]

Yeah, is. Do you. Was it a wrong way driver? Like a drunk driver?

[Tyler]

I don't have more information on the status of DUI or not, but it was. It was a wrong way driver up there.

[Mike]

We have JoJo in the house producing for us.

[Tyler]

No camera though.

[Mike]

No camera, but you can hear.

[Tyler]

That's why I saw somebody say the show was on time. So now you know, JoJo was producing. So we are.

[Mike]

I forgot my coffee. That's why we're on time. I had to go.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you were.

[Mike]

I'm really disgusting coffee that we had here, so.

[Tyler]

Oh, that was a cheap shot.

[Mike]

What? No, I like my coffee. Any other coffee's gross to me, but it. Black coffee is black coffee. I drink the New England thing from. I'm pretty fancy.

[Tyler]

Where do you stop every morning?

[Mike]

I don't stop. I make it at my house.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I bring it here.

[Tyler]

You brought a sandwich yesterday from the house?

[Mike]

Yeah, dude, we're living that way.

[Tyler]

That's a dollar menu.

[Mike]

That's a real dollar menu.

[Tyler]

Wrapped up tinfoil sandwich.

[Mike]

All right. But first and foremost, you know, in the. You know, we grew up watching wrestling. Dude. When Mike hit me with this news this morning, sad news of Ted Turner Ted Turner has passed away at the age of 87. The pioneer of what we know, what we knew is cable television. CNN was the first 24 hour news cycle ever. They actually poke fun of it in Anchorman. That's the whole point of the premise of the show or the movie. But Ted Turner. Let me see, let me pull.

[Tyler]

You got Ted Turner, you got founder of tnn, founder of tbs, cnn. We'll give him a. We'll give him a pass on that one. Cartoon Network. We all go to Cartoon Network, owner of the Atlanta Hawks, Atlanta Braves, Atlanta Thrashers. And the most important ownership in history of my child, owner of the WCW World Championship Wrestling. That went head to head with wwe. Almost took them down, other than some bad business decisions at the end. But it made my childhood and my early adulthood great. Because before we had Internet streaming, I used to have to have two TVs set up in the house.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah. 28 channel. Channel 28 USA and channel 31. Back, back, back.

[Jake]

Is this dude Jewish? How do you know those people?

[Mike]

No, I think he got in the game before they did.

[Tyler]

Yeah, way.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

But yeah, he, yeah, he was like. I mean, that WCW run was epic.

[Mike]

Yeah. And I'm wearing my NWO shirt in memory of Ted Turner today. WCW man. And if you want to know really, the, the back and forth, go watch the Vince McMahon documentary on Netflix called Mr. McMahon and it'll show you head to head. You know, he. Ted Turner was just a huge wrestling fan and he was like, I have all this money, I just want to make my own wrestling thing. So WCW had bad leadership, like worse creative than wwf, but they had the money to bring in the talent.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

And that's what Ted Turner did for years. They competed and then eventually, I forget why, Ted decided to sell, but they lost it. I mean, yeah, it was.

[Tyler]

The big. First big move was Bret Hart. Montreal Screw Job. If you go back, I'm kind of a history.

[Mike]

Oh, the first big move. No. Was Kevin Nash.

[Tyler]

No, no, no, he was before them.

[Mike]

No, he wasn't.

[Tyler]

But the. Okay. They went over the first big move though. Those guys creeped over. But the Montreal Screw Job is where it really caught light. Where Bret Hart had signed with. Yeah, he had to title, but he said he wasn't. They told him he wasn't going to drop the title. And then they did a quick submission

[Mike]

and threw it on Michael's leg lock,

[Tyler]

spit on him and all that stuff with them. But I just started watching the Hogan documentary yesterday.

[Mike]

Is that good?

[Tyler]

Yes. I watched the first episode and what. It breaks down a little more for people that back then, obviously we didn't have the Internet was wrestling alliances. It was like Vince McMahon's dad had the New York area. There was the South Georgia area, and then Minnesota, where Jesse Ventura was. Was the three most popular spots. Hogan's from Tampa. He's woke up one day, he's like, I'm gonna be a wrestler. You got. Got himself into the Rocky movie as a big guy. And he's like, I'm gonna be a wrestler. But he's like, he's the worst guy to work with. He had no talent. He was just a big dude. And he actually got turned down by wwe. Originally in New York, and then he started traveling around, ended up in Minnesota. Then he gained that gimmick was Ted. I'm sorry. Vince McMahon Sr. Gave him the name. He was like the Irish name Hogan. So his name became. He's an Italian Terry Barello. But, yeah, Hulk Hogan started Madison Square Garden, and the rest is history. But I just got one episode into. I know there's a lot of drama this rounds. Hogan with some of the. They say some of the downfall of WCW is Hogan's creative power.

[Mike]

Well, Hogan had all. All mat. He had final say in all creative control. Part of his. Yeah, part of his.

[Tyler]

Like, one of the most famous matches when WCW finally started to fold was that match with Jeff Jarrett where Hogan didn't want to drop the title. So he's. They changed it last minute. Jeff Jarrett walked out to the ring, laid down the middle of the ring during. And just laid there. And Hogan stepped on him and they called it. And he got on the mic screaming

[Mike]

and yelling, Russo came out.

[Tyler]

Russo came out. Yeah. So childhood is gone.

[Mike]

Ted Turner obviously died in his sleep, which is awesome. Surrounded by his friends and family, which I. That's how I want to go. I want to go with no pain because they're pumping me full of stuff. I'm on my way out. And I was. About the up thing. I was talking to Heather this morning, like, you know, no, if you got that much money, you know, no matter how much your children and your spouse love you, the only thing on their mind is that money. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The only thing on their mind. I shouldn't say only the biggest thing on their mind is like, once this dies, I have to start fighting for this money.

[Tyler]

Most of those people. Those people that big have it all figured out.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[Tyler]

I've been on death scenes where they actually. No, like the Family was tearing the house apart for the insurance policy. Dad's dead on the couch. And I'm just standing there, like, taking valuables. They're like, where's. I know it's around here somewhere. He left me the tv. No, he left it to me. And I'm like, oh, my God, dude, these people so rip.

[Mike]

Ted Turner not. And it's so crazy that, you know, I know wrestling. So I'm giving Ted Turner more of a shout out than a state trooper that was killed in the line of duty. And it's just because everybody knows Ted Turner is. When a first responder dies. We try to, you know, but like, I'll. Guilty as. Guilty as charged right now.

[Tyler]

I feel guilty because I don't feel guilty.

[Mike]

Guilty as charged right now. Ask me. Ask me what. That guy's English. He's ready.

[Tyler]

You'll know.

[Mike]

I was producing at the time.

[Tyler]

But look, Trainer, Kevin Trainer.

[Mike]

Kevin Trainer. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Trooper down. Well, I mean, that's. We're all guilty of that. I mean, the dude's famous. It's get more headlines. People argue that all the time, that all these celebrities get headlines and the cops, nobody cares. Like, yep, I know. Wayne Ivy gets a lot of headlines.

[Mike]

You said we were sleeping on it.

[Tyler]

Okay, we'll talk about it. Good one.

[Mike]

The next thing on the pipeline is, you know, you're a big cruise ship guy. Yeah. Have you ever thought of a scenario where someone goes to the destination, catches a virus from the natives, brings it back on the cruise ship, and it spreads so fast like a horror movie that they don't know what to do with you when you're on your way home?

[Tyler]

As long as the casino is secure and quarantined, I don't really care.

[Mike]

I don't think anything. I don't like. Okay, so we'll. We'll cover it right now. The cruise ship death.

[Tyler]

I never heard of this thing either. It's a weird. What's the name of it?

[Jake]

It comes with an H. Yeah, something.

[Tyler]

Hulu virus.

[Mike]

Hantavirus. Hulu virus. Fanta virus. So boom.

[Tyler]

Lewis would have had this up already.

[Mike]

Yeah, but. Yeah. So three people were evacuated from the hantavirus hit cruise ship on Wednesday. They were. They were currently anchored off the coast of West Africa.

[Tyler]

Oh, they're in West Africa. Oh, you didn't tell me that.

[Mike]

I think they got the virus from Honduras. I wasn't. They didn't say.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay.

[Mike]

They. So they went from Honduras to Africa, I think. And then by the time they hit Africa, they were like, we got Three people that are dead and five more people sick from this virus. And now everybody is freaking out because I believe this is a U. S. Based cruise ship. So it's coming back to the states and they're not going back. Or they're gonna make them dock and just, you know. But do you tell the staff employees too like, nah, dog, you ain't loading down that door. Nobody's coming out. How do you do it? Do you airdrop supplies? Like cruise ships don't have that much food.

[Tyler]

You could go in port without letting anybody off.

[Mike]

Yeah, but then how do they feed them the port?

[Tyler]

They load the little. They drive a little tow truck, the forklifts, and they put the food on the boat like they do everywhere else. You can pull in the port and not let them off.

[Mike]

You're a cruise ship expert?

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, there's a. They put a big rope out and it ties it to a dock and then they drive the stuff on.

[Mike]

How do you know? What if all of a sudden they lowered the doors and people just started running out?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah, it's fine.

[Mike]

Another. Another passenger. Previously on board the Hondius. MV Hondius is what the cruise ship called. Tested positive for. Hantavirus and it's being treated as at a Swiss hospital. So they're offloading people that are infected based on the fact that three people have died.

[Tyler]

I. I got some news last night that G money might have the vanta virus. Oh yeah, he didn't. He couldn't make it on his.

[Jake]

I'm turning the whole thing off.

[Mike]

You get it?

[Tyler]

Van to virus.

[Mike]

Van Tova being in the van. I did okay. You shut his mic off.

[Tyler]

Hey, caught out sick last night.

[Mike]

He did G money, boss, I can't make it.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we had. I mean, you should have seen the money that was coming. Trying to come in on that three minute live. I did. To announce it.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

He's very important. I'll give him that.

[Mike]

I had people calling me, worried.

[Tyler]

I had a group chat. I had people texting me. I had to go on live and make sure everybody knew.

[Mike]

It was so debilitating that Nick couldn't tell anybody. We had to. Yeah.

[Tyler]

We haven't heard from him.

[Mike]

Has anybody heard from Nick?

[Tyler]

Did he send. I think he sent something this morning. Let me look. Usually like. Like a boomer. He sends a real first thing in the morning. Out of nowhere they sent up 924. He sent a gif of tiger king, but no context. It could be dead. Could have been somebody else that sent it. We have no, we have no confirmation. We just know he lost about a thousand dollars yesterday in super chats. That's all we're aware of.

[Mike]

But yeah, cruise ship virus. I don't think we've ever seen anything like that. Where a cruise ship goes out and comes back.

[Tyler]

I know there's a lot of really cool missing story. Cruise ship people dying or the one girl never was found. Right, yeah, there's some of those weird things, but I haven't killed. There was a documentary on a lady that ended up gone.

[Jake]

And yeah, they don't know. I mean, allegedly, there are some people that think she threw herself off the boat. There are some people that have spotted her out and about at different Caribbean or island countries. I forget what her name is, but nobody knows.

[Tyler]

Yeah, they went to an island, her brother saw her in the room and then she was gone. The problem with the spottings, I worked a high profile missing person case.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

She ended up being dead right in our town five years later. We had sightings as far as like Wyoming. I mean, I'm talking thousands in there. I am 100 sure right here.

[Mike]

It's like you've been watching too much Lifetime or.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You know, so. But yeah, cruise ships can be dangerous. Dude, there's a lot of stories now. People falling off, jumping off, kids falling over, people disappearing.

[Jake]

Well, there was the one that stepbrother killed like the sister or whatever.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Recently.

[Mike]

Have you guys ever heard of, like, people like biting on cruise ships? Oh, yeah, I, like, I may have

[Jake]

seen it personally all the time, firsthand.

[Mike]

Or fighting.

[Tyler]

Who's fighting?

[Mike]

Fighting in the port.

[Tyler]

We're talking about us? Yes.

[Mike]

Oh, not you people.

[Tyler]

Oh, well, well, you know, they said, you know, Spirit's gone now, so good segue Carnival is going to be very empty.

[Mike]

Oh, Spirit Airlines closing down for business. I think it was May 2nd. I want to say it was midnight on like Friday night or Saturday morning or something like that. Essentially what happened was they just closed up shop and didn't tell a soul. They told no customers, they told no employees. Employees were showing up to work with no flights on the board.

[Tyler]

No.

[Mike]

And they're like, oh, I guess the day is canceled. And they're like, nah.

[Tyler]

By the way, did you check that

[Mike]

memo in your email?

[Tyler]

Think about the logistical disaster that is to like pull the plug on that massive. There's planes all over the country just sitting there. Now who's got the keys? Like, where do they put the keys?

[Mike]

I think it's more like Humvees.

[Tyler]

I don't know. Whatever they got. It's like, now these planes are everywhere. Like, who's in charge of them now? They're bankrupt. Nobody's involved.

[Mike]

My buddy's a pilot. He's actually been on the show back in the day pre Brent and. And he told me this morning, he's like, all jokes aside, Spirit Airlines was. Ran the most inefficient way possible. They've had tons of times where they could have done different with their money, and they just ran it into the ground. They went bankrupt, I think twice already.

[Tyler]

They had a merger deal with JetBlue that fell through. It's blocked. And then this was. Allegedly was something to do with. What do they call her? Pocahontas. Elizabeth Warren supposedly cast the last vote that killed their attempt for the government to bail them out the day before it went.

[Mike]

I saw. They see the meme.

[Tyler]

Yeah. On the plane. But somebody. And then Elon Musk was kicking around. They were saying about him buying it. Like, that's pennies on the dollar. I started getting into how much money he has, and it's insane when you try to start calculating it.

[Mike]

Can you imagine? Elon Musk airline. Oh, dude, what would he call it? X?

[Tyler]

It would have good WI fi. Like, all that stuff would be good.

[Mike]

We're gonna. You just take off to the moon.

[Tyler]

But, like, the. You know, you think how many thousands and thousands of people were stranded throughout the United States. They were putting ticket cap prices of like 200 per ticket that other airlines were honoring to, like, help these people. But imagine you're on a. You take off on vacation and you land in Disney. You're from la. And then they're like, sorry, your whole airline quit. Like, you have nothing. Which hasn't really affected. I was looking at our plate, our flight, and it really hasn't affected the prices tremendously for other airlines, but we'll

[Mike]

see if we hit that flat or not.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Here's some. Here's. Here's a news clip of what the employees were doing, I think, in a Florida location of the Florida airport. See here. There's no severance. Our insurance, everything was cut off on May 2, laid off and left without answers. Spirit Airline employees gathering outside company headquarters in Dania Beach Monday, still reeling after the surprise announcement over the weekend when the company shut down for good. It wasn't until midnight on Friday night

[Nick McCarthy]

that we learned when we see the

[Mike]

board with no flights for the next day, that we were done for that day. The abrupt closure creating a frenzy nationwide, catching employees and travelers off guard. All flights grounded by 3am Saturday, 17,000 people across the country now without jobs, including thousands of workers based here in South Florida. The impact widespread. This is not like any other industry. You do not take your work experience with you. You start right back at the bottom. So if you've been here 30 years, it means nothing. Myself, 10 and a half years means nothing. You start right back at the bottom with the lowest pay, lowest seniority.

[Nick McCarthy]

This is the latest Spirit sent to

[Mike]

all staff Saturday stating the company will be permanently closing all of its operational locations. The ultra low cost carrier collapsing amid rising jet fuel prices, intense competition and debt. The company filing for bankruptcy twice in as many years. There's a lot of people that are going to struggle and there's no way around that. There's just not enough jobs in this industry for the type of work that we do. So that being said, I, the same dude I talked to, I actually went to college with my buddy. One of my best friends went to college. Yeah, dude, I got homeland security. Z3.3.74 GPA degree. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Holy.

[Mike]

Homeland Security. Anti Terrorism.

[Tyler]

A bachelor's.

[Mike]

Yeah. Yeah, dude, I'm smart.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you are.

[Mike]

I play a character on a broadcast.

[Tyler]

You just solidified my argument I made in my episode today for college.

[Mike]

But he said, because I remember we graduated, I actually got the degree at an Embry Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona beach because at the time they had the best Homeland Security degree program. But it's actually a flight school. It's a flight, you know. So he was actually going to get his pilots and we just met at college, we stayed in touch, we became friends. And he got furloughed during COVID A lot of pilots, for whatever reason, I don't know why lots of pilots across the industry got furloughed because of COVID There just wasn't enough flights. They weren't fired. But I remember this dude, like flight school, kept P's and Q's, straight A's, like did everything right, was, you know, shelving produce at Publix and cleaning pools. And he was like, man, it's a humbling experience. And he eventually got back and went back to work for the airline industry. But when that happened, there was no uproar. No one cared that all those pilots and people in the airline industry got furloughed. And now Spirit closes down. Which many companies close down and do this yet? I don't know why there's a national uproar for it. I just can't figure it out. Tons of companies do this. Tons of people.

[Tyler]

I Mean, there's only so many airlines, so it's.

[Mike]

I mean, what if a major corporation shut down and.

[Tyler]

Well, we bail them out. We'll bail the banks. We build the banks out. So some of those people have the right background or they come from the right place, so they won't. Won't let them fail.

[Mike]

Or they. They're the right type of people. That make for a good news story. Tragic, tragic, tragic. Now going into Spirit Airlines a little bit more. I have a video for you guys on the reason why they may have closed down.

[Tyler]

This is where it's going to get.

[Mike]

Thanks to. It's a conservative chocolate. We're gonna check out a little highlight clip of Spirit Airlines.

[Tyler]

Go suck another dirty. Like this. Yes, you are. That was just like the last thing before they closed. Imagine why they was a very

[Jake]

baffled.

[Tyler]

There was a theme there.

[Mike]

To be fair, we're an entertainment news broadcast. I cannot verify that all of those fist fights were at Spirit Airlines, but I did see a lot of yellow, so. Well, yellow flag. There was no way. No Asians were there. Karate fighting. It was just. Just other people. So rip. Lots of rip today.

[Tyler]

Rip mean that Elizabeth Warren there, she passed the final vote that killed. That killed the situation.

[Mike]

For those of you listening, that is a meme of Elizabeth Warren kneeling on the neck of a Spirit airline airplane in the police uniform of Derek Chauvin.

[Tyler]

That's what it is.

[Mike]

Ah, good times.

[Tyler]

What do you think, Peter, about spirit?

[Mike]

I don't know.

[Tyler]

I don't want to talk right now.

[Jake]

That's crazy.

[Peter B.]

Clearly, they did not handle their business correctly.

[Tyler]

You know, though, that they were the only major airline without a, like, a tragedy. They never crashed.

[Mike]

The only one.

[Tyler]

Like, they don't have their moment of, like, spirit flight. Whatever. Whatever.

[Mike]

Damn. If one. If one you needed to crash. Oh, no, just.

[Tyler]

It's just normal. It's like that. You know, you could buy a brand new Cadillac, brand new Escalade, and you can drive through town and get t. You get that 89 Ultima out there and just roll through the streets. You just get there, man. You just get there. It never fails, man. Never, ever fails.

[Jake]

Josh said turn on the light so I can make fun of the dude on the couch.

[Tyler]

We don't have any lights.

[Mike]

Yeah, no, we're like Spirit.

[Jake]

We can't pay the bills. We're not going to be.

[Tyler]

We got new Internet coming.

[Mike]

We're like Spirit. He's black. Get it? Because there's no light on.

[Tyler]

I. I do.

[Mike]

I did it.

[Tyler]

That's a bachelor's degree kicking in. I got it.

[Mike]

You can't let that not go. What do you have? Oh, Internet. Mike goes, hey, Internet guys here. I'm running three minutes late.

[Tyler]

Three.

[Mike]

I pull up and I'm like, where's the Internet guy? And Mike's like, I handled it, dude. It's good to go. I just signed a five year contract.

[Tyler]

You know what? I was impressed. I was impressed. I had to look up the ein.

[Mike]

I had to give him keys. And then your Social Security, you're good.

[Tyler]

He's moving in next week. He's gonna sleep on the couch. I looked up the ein. I saw my name on the. On the llc.

[Mike]

Nice.

[Tyler]

I was impressed.

[Mike]

I told you I did it.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I didn't believe you. I thought I was just pissing in the window.

[Jake]

Just a decoration.

[Tyler]

I mean. And I made a critical decision. I didn't put a banner up about it, but. But I did turn. I did.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's a five year contract, but it is because they have. It's fiber Internet, which means they have to run the lines and construct all of the infrastructure to run the lines for this building. And we're the only ones right now signing on for it. So they got to get their money's worth. So they made us sign a five year deal. But it's 170 bucks a month. No changing for five years.

[Tyler]

Well, it's. Yeah, but if we move and they can't. If we. If we move and they can't move with us, then we're good.

[Mike]

But does it go up like next

[Tyler]

year with Locked in?

[Mike]

Locked in, yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And this. It cost them five grand to run the. Run it to here. So they're like, hey, we're gonna spend five grand to get you the service. We need you to lock it in for three years. Was like 180. 190. And five years. I just went all the way. I'm like, I could do 20.

[Mike]

But they give a veteran or military.

[Tyler]

They didn't give a. He said he appreciates the show. He's like the Bandai Hero on cast or whatever he called it. Yeah, I watched. I'm like, he didn't get it right, but he's a nice guy. And you want to know.

[Mike]

You want to know, Duke our energy people here. When I called and got our electric turned on for this building, I spoke to a woman who may or may not have worked at Spirit Airlines at

[Tyler]

one point in her life, tied it right in again.

[Mike]

She got really shitty with me. I'm like, man, I Can't understand what you're saying.

[Tyler]

Why did she work at Spirit? What made you think that?

[Mike]

Well, because when she finalized. If you go look at our bills for our electric. We are called the Anita Hero Podcast. A N I T a hero podcast. Anita Hero. I need a hero. I straight up, we're the I need a hero. Okay, whatever. Just Villas. Law Enforcement News.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we do. We have a. You're gonna go which one?

[Mike]

San Antonio.

[Tyler]

Well, that's a good story. The other story is bad, but yeah, San Antonio swat, you know, it's not every day we, you know, good things come out. But they had a guy, they show up. I believe they come to Roundup. They're one of the top teams.

[Mike]

Are they the guy, the cowboy has that winning every year? Yeah, they are.

[Tyler]

I think so.

[Mike]

They have a full time. Their spot team is a full time squad that just trains for competitions. I'm pretty sure they don't do warrants. They don't do anything. They just train.

[Tyler]

Sounds like they're like the boys that are out rolling. Because in this case it was. They fairly shot a wanted guy. They had the undercover detectives tracking the guy, got him in a parking lot, they boxed them in, had SWAT on scene standing by, used a flashbang to hit the. Bang the car. And buddy decided to get out and point a gun in the San Antonio SWAT team, which we know is very accurate from our time here at the SWAT Roundup in Florida. Took care of the guy, so.

[Jake]

But it's not this. Apparently it's not the same people.

[Tyler]

What do you mean?

[Jake]

The SWAT team that trains for the Roundup is not the SWAT team that's going to respond to this.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we're not pointing that out. I don't think that's. Stop it.

[Jake]

I don't think that's a good representation of their skills, though.

[Tyler]

They won. What she's trying to say is they won both. They send. They send the. There's like a. Like the army has the, like the competition teams. Yeah, like the shooting team. And then, you know, they, they pick.

[Mike]

It's like your job.

[Tyler]

And they train for Roundup year round. Yes, like their job is to train for Roundup. But that's stupid. Well, they're still on the team.

[Jake]

No, he just said they don't do warrants and they don't.

[Mike]

I don't know. I'm sure. I think. Okay, I think, I think they don't have to worry about anything but training for the company.

[Jake]

Can you fact check this or what?

[Peter B.]

I'll look into that's not gonna.

[Mike]

You're not gonna find that on the Internet, but yeah. So good. Good guys win a gunfight. Bad guy dies in a gunfight.

[Tyler]

That's how it's supposed to.

[Mike]

Boys go home.

[Tyler]

As long as you do it right.

[Mike]

Crack a beer in the team room. Ah. Do it. Do it. No, do it right. Do it right.

[Tyler]

He was wanted for some violent crime, too. And pointed again.

[Mike]

Imagine that.

[Tyler]

Let me imagine that. Get that other story ready because this is a good one.

[Mike]

Well, I. Did you see Justin had something to say to you.

[Tyler]

I saw it.

[Mike]

He said, let me find it.

[Tyler]

I saw it. I want to put on the screen the intro is cheaper than the banner.

[Mike]

No, he said, oh,

[Tyler]

there's a college degree. The.

[Mike]

He malfunctioned.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Here he goes. I had to find it. He goes, free banners versus 170amonth.

[Tyler]

Internet, we need Internet. We need Internet. It's. Nothing's free. We have people that are donating their hard time. Yeah, make that stuff. That dude's unbelievable.

[Mike]

Jay.

[Tyler]

Both of them. Jay. Jay's gonna redo my whole website. Jay's amazing.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right. Palm Beach County, Florida, we got another police news a little different than the San Antonio one. Look how the camera's just. The little things. Just in the camera. You see it?

[Mike]

What?

[Tyler]

The light fixture.

[Mike]

Come on. Don't touch the camera. Don't touch the camera. See, a regular.

[Tyler]

No, I'm just kidding. You can't. But a regular person goes, oh, okay. Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office Corrections deputy has been arrested on multiple felony charges, allegedly battering handcuffed inmate and obstructing orchestrating a cover up involving falsifying police reports. Deputy Acevedo faces multiple charges including battery, tampering with a witness, official misconduct, false imprisonment stemming from a July 4 incident at the Palm Beach County, Maine Detention Center. Courtney problem? Probable cause. The incident began when Acevedo was cut in headcount and two inmates continued playing cards instead of the headcount procedures. He then handcuffed both men as an example to other inmates. And then he gave them the 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Mike]

Is this on video?

[Tyler]

No, I don't see a video, but isn't it? This is in the two. Three guys tried to cover it up. One got arrested for the felonies, the other two got arrested for, like, misconduct. But what's interesting there is the case is always made that cops get special treatment. This is a July 2024 incident where an arrest is being made on the cops in May of 2026. That's where I Kind of get into. And I know, like Steve Lavin, Steve Ladner, we seem to be able to get away with things longer than like when we go to a call. What happens if you go to a call? A cop, you know, happens, you go, oh, where do you work? Domestic battery. Any, I gotta call my sergeant.

[Mike]

The statute might change in the next two minutes.

[Tyler]

They're gonna say, oh, he works for, you know, so and so pd. Let's call his command. We'll get special things started happening. My episode this week, this. My episode this week.

[Mike]

And so there's no special treatment for cops nowadays. They get arrested faster for DV than a regular person.

[Tyler]

20, 20 40s just getting arrested.

[Mike]

What took two years a cover up.

[Tyler]

Okay. And it didn't work.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

But my point being is there are always a right out of the rip and you know, the blue brotherhood, whatever you want to call it, minor traffic violations. I would look at it like, well, I would let my neighbor go. I would let the lady down the street go. The guy, the 7 11, you know, if you speed and 10 over, I'm not going to write my ticket. So that area, when you start getting into DUI, you start getting into violent or crime.

[Mike]

Oh, DUIs are 100.

[Tyler]

But what, what I'm saying is, is

[Mike]

like, brother, we had that video we

[Tyler]

broke down last year from Buford, South Carolina where that dude put his gun belt on and was pointing guns at kids in the street, acting like a maniac. He didn't get arrested on that initial response. He pointed guns at kids, threatened all of them, and then it took like a week to have him arrested. Any other citizen would be that day.

[Mike]

What kind of kids were there?

[Tyler]

They were white.

[Mike]

Oh, got you can't do that. Not in suburbia.

[Tyler]

But you know, this guy did the old, oh, you want to talk back? I'm going to tune you up. And then they falsified documents and does this. It sounds crazy, but in 2024 when this happened, with all the surveillance, all the cameras, everything we have going on, cops are still fabricating on video, fabricating incidents, beating the brakes off people and then trying to cover it up. A normal citizen would be arrested immediately. That's my, that's my argument, Mike.

[Mike]

The anti cop cop cops need to be arrested faster.

[Tyler]

Well, they go investigation, they need to be treated equally. We have a super chat 9.99 to James L. Cruz, who won last month. And he's in the running now again.

[Mike]

Oh yeah, he's all about it now. He's like, that's smart.

[Tyler]

I didn't even tell you I did another thing without your permission. You can take.

[Mike]

We'll talk about an open mic.

[Tyler]

No, it's coming today. So I had a great idea. And you were. I don't know what you were doing. Yesterday, when G Money canceled his show due to his severe illness, some of the OG guys were talking and they were like, we'll come on. We'll come on. So I had an idea. This Sunday, I believe they're voting. 7:00pm I'm gonna go on my stream yard. It's gonna be a Patreon only, and we're gonna let all the OGs come in and talk. Like a big group chat.

[Mike]

How many people can come in?

[Tyler]

I think mine. I paid the top price, so it's like 10.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

So I told him, I'll put you all in. I'll back out. We can just stream it on YouTube, probably unlisted, in case any words are said. But I think it's a good idea. Like, I just. I forgot all about it till just now. But like a. You know, something for the Patreon guys, a reason why you're joining. You guys want to chat with each other and get to know it. That way I can create the room. Yeah.

[Mike]

Where they can all do their OG council only.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The OG council guys are getting it together. I'll. I'll get a room together. I'll send the link out. They're voting. I'm even letting them vote on their own thumbnail. So we have their own thumbnail, their own time. When it's all done Saturday, I'll set up the room, get it all ready to go.

[Mike]

And then I like how you offload work by saying, I'm gonna let them make their own thumbnail. They're gonna make their own thumbnail.

[Tyler]

I got thumbnails sent to me already saying we're voting. I didn't have to do anything. When you're nice to people, when you're.

[Mike]

Right now, you don't have to do anything.

[Tyler]

When you're nice to people and you treat people respectfully and you talk to them, they do things.

[Mike]

I don't know what happened yesterday, Justin,

[Tyler]

the way you do, like, let things are not likely to get done well,

[Mike]

I want to know what happened yesterday. So we had all of our stuff. It was. It was Monday. Sorry. It was Monday. And we sit down like this. It's like 10:50 or. No, no. 150, 12:50, whatever. It's 10 minutes before showtime. And I. And he brought up two great things to Talk about. I was like, that's awesome, dude. And I was like, you got the stuff for the. The thing you shot me goes.

[Tyler]

No, what things? Wait a second. What?

[Mike]

Thanks. Hold on, let me.

[Tyler]

I know I was ready. I'm always ready.

[Mike]

You just didn't have the stuff you brought up to talk about.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's all right here today.

[Mike]

What were Monday.

[Tyler]

I don't remember Monday.

[Mike]

He's deflecting. Gaslight gas. Monday's a different day.

[Tyler]

Look, we got another super chat. James Della Cruz, 9.99. Another entry. We are taking over. Yep. The OGs are taking over.

[Mike]

Yeah. Dude, I'm excited about the counterculture night shift being split up between right now. It's going to look like the Midwest and it's going to be an online counterculture too, with the gaming dudes.

[Tyler]

Oh, you don't have to do it anymore.

[Mike]

Yeah, because you quit coming. So that's just.

[Tyler]

Kermit's coming.

[Mike]

Peach is coming. He said he was.

[Tyler]

Super chat from Cody H. Let the couch guest talk. What's his favorite? All right, you're up. Peter, what's your favorite shark?

[Peter B.]

Oh, gosh. Favorite shark. Well, the easy one would be a Great white, because everybody says that that's the greatest. See, I personally like black reef sharks better.

[Tyler]

What kind?

[Peter B.]

Black tip reef sharks.

[Mike]

So

[Tyler]

Dominic Israel likes those kind too.

[Mike]

Or sand sharks. Do you really like black tip reef sharks or you just.

[Peter B.]

They're really good to eat, to be honest.

[Mike]

Are they really?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So you actually have a favorite shark?

[Peter B.]

I mean, on the spot.

[Tyler]

Did you watch the shark episode?

[Peter B.]

I did not watch all of it, no. Oh, sorry.

[Mike]

It was only a 30 minute clip in the episode.

[Peter B.]

I was driving.

[Mike]

Ah, so you. When. So when people are talking about favorite sharks, you're kind of like, I have no idea what's going on.

[Peter B.]

I knew what was going on, but,

[Mike]

you know, they made fun of me because I have an interest outside of broadcasting, which is sharks.

[Peter B.]

I get it.

[Mike]

Aren't they fascinating?

[Jake]

And train. And turtles.

[Tyler]

Super chat. If you did it via Discord, you could have more than 10. We lost our Discord. We lost our Discord guy. Oh, I have no idea how to use Discord.

[Mike]

I don't either do I.

[Tyler]

Don't think there's more than.

[Mike]

Let them. Let them do it on Discord.

[Tyler]

If you want to try to organize Discord, get the link in and have everybody sign up for Discord. I know everybody. Oh, if this is an easy way that I can just put a link in Streamyard, everybody can click on it. I Can invite everybody into the room, back out, and they can have at it. So that seems easiest way.

[Mike]

Mike can leave.

[Tyler]

They don't. I don't want to be. Unless he's literally locked in a room.

[Mike]

And I. I can leave, dude, at any time. Like, I.

[Tyler]

No, my point was to let them talk. They don't need me in there. There. This is a og. If they want me, what they should

[Mike]

do is they should all get together and do a live show, and then that way Mike can back out and just walk on. Walk on stage.

[Tyler]

Yesterday. I was in there three hours of streaming. Yesterday. Because you were live. I mean, dedication. You didn't have to leave.

[Mike]

We were all convinced you did it on purpose.

[Peter B.]

Quite literally locked.

[Jake]

No, but when he called me, I was at a doctor's office and I ignored the first call.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Jake]

And then he called back again. I was like, well, maybe this is important.

[Mike]

And then you found out. Well, there's nothing I can do for your rightness. Sucks for you guys.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Sir, you're allowed to break your own

[Mike]

door from your home. If you need to, you can start edging.

[Tyler]

I don't know what to tell you. I could have.

[Mike]

That breakout's gonna be amazing.

[Tyler]

I had. I could have gone out the window, but I didn't want to mess my curtain up that I have blocking the.

[Mike]

Your podcast.

[Tyler]

Yeah, my podcast curtain.

[Mike]

Those are important.

[Tyler]

But I'm dedicated to the show, so I stayed in there.

[Jake]

It took him eight days to hang it, right? So he didn't want to mess up his investment.

[Tyler]

Ask how much she helped. Zero days supervising. Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Just like the microwave.

[Mike]

What did you think about law enforcement, Peter? Oh,

[Tyler]

that was a gay question.

[Mike]

What'd you think about it?

[Peter B.]

Well, would you still be in if

[Mike]

you hadn't medically pitched out? I'm just kidding.

[Peter B.]

No, you're.

[JoJo]

See?

[Tyler]

See? Then what? Tyler wonders why people. Why nobody can go Sundays with Mike,

[Jake]

why our sandbox is empty.

[Tyler]

Why don't they invite me to, like, a door Sunday? Can't figure it out.

[Mike]

Tyler. My mom said you come to my birthday.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah.

[Jake]

Tell him that you're still.

[Tyler]

Are you.

[Jake]

Are you talking about that? That you're still attempting.

[Peter B.]

Well, I was.

[Mike]

I am now.

[Peter B.]

No, I was, but then I got screwed over by the state of Mississippi again. They actually refused to send me a letter of work verification. I have to sue them in order to get proof that I work for the state or I have to go through the full academy again. So instead of doing a five day crossover, I'd have to go through a

[Tyler]

six month dude with like 22 year old kids.

[Peter B.]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

No, yeah.

[Peter B.]

No, I'm good. I don't want to go down that route for the second time if I don't have to.

[Tyler]

Yeah, the first time's bad enough.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Peter B.]

And then a crossover academy in Mississippi. No, I'm good.

[Mike]

What's that? Just for like, high liability and stuff like that?

[Peter B.]

Yeah. Mississippi was three weeks and it was going over their laws that are different from others and then high liabilities for the most part.

[Tyler]

Somebody said, it's Peter. Ohio. Wyatt.

[Mike]

Why?

[Tyler]

It gave me an update again. The other day he sent me a voicemail. Yeah, you got it? Yeah.

[Mike]

No, no, no. I didn't get that.

[Tyler]

Oh, he sent me a voicemail.

[Mike]

Let me see. He sent me some.

[Tyler]

The time change is all jacked up for him.

[Peter B.]

I do know that San Antonio SWAT participated in seven competitions last year. So they're pretty much all they do. That's what I'm saying.

[Tyler]

Hold on, Let me look.

[Peter B.]

And that wasn't including nationals or Dubai, so.

[Jake]

Yeah, because on top of doing the competitions, you're training for the competitions. It'll leave much time for anything else.

[Tyler]

No.

[Peter B.]

It looked like June was the only month that they weren't in one.

[Tyler]

You know why, right?

[Jake]

I don't understand.

[Tyler]

You know why?

[Jake]

Hold on.

[Tyler]

Do you know why? June. It's game up. I was gonna say they have to celebrate their Pride Month. Yeah.

[Jake]

I just don't understand how someone who's not actually a functioning active SWAT team can go to competitions representing a SWAT team when everybody else who's competing. Not everybody else, but a good percentage are active SWAT teams is not enough. The same amount of time.

[Peter B.]

You're not swat. It's cheating competing all the time.

[Tyler]

I saw one team show up one year and they. They ran out of bullets. I felt terrible. There was one agent said that he sent a corrections team and I was there. And there's that last event where it's just a free for all. You have like, unlimited, like three mags, fastest pot and God, dude, they ran out of bullets. There was like 30 targets for four guys with three mags. And one guy was out there at the end. It sounds loud. It was quiet. I felt bad it had been me. I got a. I haven't shown everybody. I cannot shoot Tyler yet either.

[Mike]

Because you can. That's why you haven't shown anybody. All right, I got something for y'. All.

[Tyler]

This is your contribution?

[Mike]

Yep.

[Tyler]

All right. There we go, kids.

[Mike]

This was made by Wyatt. Pretty good.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I look pretty Good in that. I would look really good in that uniform. I'm so proud of it.

[Jake]

I feel like we can have it made.

[Mike]

Yeah. Although it looks a little Nazi ish,

[Jake]

but looks North Korean ish.

[Mike]

Why does everybody keep telling me Mike to look into some dig or look into why Brevard county switched to HK from Glock after a command staff guy retired and went to work at hk.

[Tyler]

That's what they said.

[Mike]

That's the third message that was sent to me as they went from.

[Tyler]

I'm sure what. That's normal. That's what happened in our agency.

[Mike]

Well, our Orange County, Florida, right this. We switched to the most retarded ass CAD system after being with Tiburon for 20 years. Their excuse was that Tiburon stopped updating it, so there's no point to have it. And we bought a CAD system that was.

[Peter B.]

Was.

[Mike]

We had it for four years and never used it while they were fixing it. And then all of a sudden, the dude that was in charge of implementing it is retiring and going to work for that company. So, yeah, we did.

[Tyler]

We did kind of the same thing. I'm sure that's what they're getting. As somebody left, went to work for HK and then pulled the. Hey, man.

[Mike]

Put on the polo the next day,

[Tyler]

switching all your guns. That's what happened with.

[Mike]

No. What they. No, no, no. What happened was, I guarantee you, they HK became the. The gun of Brevard county because of one admin guy. And then as soon as that admin guy retired, he had a promised job at hk.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I mean, all that work, I mean, that's what that. Ruth Kate from Tampa that got let go of. The deputy chief, Tampa PD was in that same. It goes deep. There was like the 30 by 30 stuff she was pushing females and females were getting removed from canine. And she was letting them keep their canine pay for years after they were removed from the unit.

[Jake]

And what she did with the gun, though, is they went away from whatever gun they were at, and while the chief wasn't there, she was either dating or with somebody in a training unit. Training coordinator. And they like signed a contract or signed some deal while they weren't looking

[Tyler]

and then were getting kickbacks on the gun sales.

[Mike]

I don't know about that, but they were.

[Tyler]

That was the allegation. I won't tell you what gun company.

[Mike]

It was one last article before we switch over. I don't know if you guys know this. The VA started cutting positions in 2025. Now there was tens of thousands of positions that The VA claims they couldn't get covered. So instead of attempting to fill them in, the year 26, December of 2025, they were cut. The positions were just deleted, essentially. And there's still massive downsizing going on in the va. So I. I decided to put this to the test. I called the va. I don't use the VA at all for a doctor, but I was like, oh, well, I'll get a primary care doctor, right? I call the va. I call five numbers in the Central Florida region. Every single one hung up on me. I found one number that said, they can't do what I need them to do, but they'll transfer me. I was able to leave a message, and nobody called me back. So I spent an hour trying to get a hold of somebody at the va, and not one person called me back. And then I found out all this stuff about VA downsizing. So it's going to be hard. And one of the things that people are saying is that mental health visits are. Are waiting up to, like, 80 or 90 days to be seen by a doctor, which is scary for people with a mental health crisis. That's big areas.

[Tyler]

I wonder if there's worse than, like, larger.

[Mike]

It's that across the country. So I don't know if they didn't talk about any particular regions, but I have the thingy Majig. Hold on, let me pull it up.

[Tyler]

You think they'll let us spot Roundup?

[Mike]

No. Well, first off, the waiting list is like a year and a half.

[Tyler]

Oh, is it?

[Mike]

Yeah. No, I'm.

[Jake]

I don't.

[Mike]

I'm. They're not very.

[Tyler]

You're pretty popular over there.

[Mike]

They're not very friendly with me. No. All right, so the VA lifts lisps, lifts hiring freeze, but staffing caps still in place for shrinking workforce. The Department of Veterans affairs is officially lifting a hiring freeze on its healthcare workforce after shedding tens of thousands of positions last year. So when you can't get anybody on the phone. That's why. But the va, which saw the first ever workforce net decrease, is unlikely to hire its way to a higher headcount than it currently has. A report from Democrats in the Senate VA Committee released Thursday finds VA facilities are still operating within strict staffing caps. Facility leadership in the field are reporting denials and severe delays in hiring approvals for all positions, from clinical staff to custodians to claim processors. Lawmakers wrote. The report claims the VA lost more than 400 thou, or, excuse me, 40,000 employees last year and that 88% of them worked in health care, about 10, 10,000 of those employees worked in frontline positions that department has struggled to fill. VA workforce data shows that the department saw a net decrease of 3,000 registered nurses last year, a net decrease of 1,000 physicians, and a net decrease of 1550 appointment calendars. In a typical year, the VA's workforce sees a net gain of about 10,000 employees. But under the Trump administration, the VA sought to eliminate 30,000 positions through attrition by the end of the of 2025. The department previously envisioned cutting 83,000 job in part through layoffs.

[Tyler]

What do you. So that's interesting, right?

[Mike]

Insane.

[Tyler]

Everybody like Republican Trump, VA military, pro military. When you hear that number, what does that make you think?

[Mike]

That makes me think Trump's not in support of the va.

[Tyler]

Strange, right?

[Jake]

But I may have missed it. What was causing all those? Is that just a funding problem or is it just.

[Mike]

It sounds like the inability to fill the positions mixed with the funding equals like this works itself out. So we're just going to get rid of the positions that we can't fill. So they're technically. They're not cutting positions, they're not firing people. They're able to go, hey, we have 30, 000 jobs that we need to fill across the country, but we're just going to get rid of those jobs. So now we're good and they're able to operate under.

[Tyler]

I just. Those numbers are nut. Can you imagine thinking that you need 30,000 but you don't need them, so you cut them. Like, I don't understand how you like go, we're gonna need them, but then tomorrow we don't need them and you just get rid of them. So did you really ever need them?

[Mike]

Yeah, I think so.

[Tyler]

But then you don't.

[Jake]

You just better suffering Mike.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay. They don't care about that.

[Mike]

I assume not.

[Tyler]

Okay, well, what's interesting to go along to piggyback, that is Hexis says that we're at record recruiting surge in the military right now. So they're cutting va, they're cutting all these things. And then you got Pete Hexig saying, testifying in front of Congress, in front of the secure Senate Armed Armed Services Committee, that we are at a record pace of recruiting.

[Jake]

Yeah, they want to use you now. They just don't give a what happens to you when you get out.

[Tyler]

Well, that goes into what Peter was saying about like my whole issue with the whole police world is CR is cooked like you. You cannot tell me I'll get on the soapbox the rest of my life, you cannot tell me that I'm held to standards and policies 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I don't have the rights that a regular citizens has. When I leave my house as a law enforcement officer, constitution, policies, I'm a hero. I'm all these things and I'm go out. But if you go out and get murked, off duty in a car accident, you get injured at the gym, you're trying to make yourself better, they go, yeah, we're working, buddy, you're out of here. No benefits, no nothing. Good luck. Well, but if you want to take a $50,000 pay cut, we could probably get you a job in records, you know, making, you know, half of what you used to make.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

We really care about you.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

We want to really make sure you're okay. So we're going to do that for you.

[Mike]

No hazard pay?

[Tyler]

No, there's no disability. You can go through frs. There is like frs, but if you non line of duty, it's really bad. And you know, that's another thing I say with like guys not looking into their future is you can take a 66% if you're in the line of duty, you would get a 66% settlement for or payout from FRS in Florida retirement system. But your most guys can't live on 66 of their pay.

[Mike]

Dude, those guys can't live on 100.

[Tyler]

They can't live on 125 of their pay with overtime. And you're gonna go, sorry, bud, you're done, you gotta leave. And now you can get but in. And the catch of that is unlike VA where you can get VA disability and still work, I believe California Commifornia is trying to crack down on that. They're starting to hit veterans that are or disabled in California. But if, if in the Florida frs, you can't make a penny. So if you take that settlement of 66 for like medical retirement, they check your w, they check your Social Security number, you can't make one single penny. So that's it for the rep. For anything the rest of your life.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Tyler]

That's it.

[Mike]

That's insane.

[Tyler]

You're bound to that. You're done. And, and it's. It's unfortunate, but there is nothing for guys that are. It's off duty.

[Mike]

What happens if you work? Do they take them?

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah. I, the one of the lawyers I know in town had a secretary who was 166FRS. She went out early on injury and they hired her one month and she had her first paycheck in the office. And her got a letter from FRS that if you make another penny like this is your first warning. We're pulling all your benefits.

[Mike]

So they just pay her on the table now?

[Tyler]

Probably. But think about that. Think about all those things. Like we have a heart bill. Like people are saying that there is a heart and lung bill for officers, but everything is so crazy and so hard to do that they make it almost impossible. Like you should never get injured. In my opinion, if policing is that serious in our career and all that is that important, which I believe it is, you should be protected in that aspect. Like athletes. You're never going to make what an athlete makes. I understand we can't pay cops a million dollars a year or $10 million a year, but you should at least your body and your mental be in that same aspect of like every six months, checkups, MRIs, making sure you're healthy. We can't obviously seeing the sheriffs and all that stuff I talked about. We can't even get normal people to get in shape to do the job. But in my opinion, it kind of goes hand in hand where let's, let's, let's make a push for very good physicality. But also we're going to check them regularly and make sure that they're. The blood works fine. You know, you. Joanna did blood work on some things that they go. We never even checked that. Normally, like you're like there's tests you can have.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like by the way, you have all these other blood tests but we don't normally do. And think about mri. How many times you got an mri?

[Mike]

Not many.

[Tyler]

Just when you got injured, right?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

My mom goes in for a. Mine has a brain tumor. If you go for an MRI regularly, you would be like, so if you

[Mike]

go for your wrist, just be like, hey, hit the whole body.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but I'm saying but we don't do that as, as society. But then you're on. When you go to health, fitness cops, all these things that you want us to, to be and be in great shape. That should all be covered. Just like the military is military. I keep going back like my real about the sergeant major. Am I real about the military? They good, better and different. They own you and they take care of you. They make you, you can't really give a sick call, but when you do get there, they make sure you're healthy. Like their requirements.

[Jake]

Are you allowed to talk about any of that, Pete? Like, are you allowed to Talk about your experience. I know you're still dealing with it.

[Peter B.]

Yeah, I was gonna say it's technically, it's done and over with by the state, you know, in the state's eyes. But basically what happened was, is they medically retired me after an injury, then drug out my retirement process. Supposed to be, by law, they have 90 days to respond to my application for retirement. They took nine months, then denied it and got sent to. I could appeal it. And the appeal was by the same board that denied it initially. So shocker got denied. And then there was one attorney in the state of Mississippi that was willing to fight for me, but he really wasn't. He had an astronomical price. 50 of any benefits. And they just. Just screwed me over. I mean, literally. And during the entire time, Like, I got a payout because they took 30 of my pay while I was out on leave. They took all of my leave time, even though Mississippi has a law that says they can't. They did. I had to sue them to get it back. I got a percentage of that back, but I wasn't allowed to work the entire time waiting for my retirement to be approved.

[Mike]

Nuts, man.

[Peter B.]

So we ended up spending every dime of my sett just to survive, just to live.

[Tyler]

So, and that's. To me, that contradicts everything.

[Mike]

Right.

[Tyler]

Law enforcement was designed to be. And everything were held to a stand. Like, that's where I get really upset with the standards. If you're not. If you're going to hold us to the standards 24 hours a day, 365, all these policies, you have to take care of us when you get injured. And it could be mental health. It could be.

[Jake]

What I want to know from Pete, like how the. The mental health train that has taken over the country from people at the top. You're going through all of that how, like, what's that mental health effect?

[Peter B.]

Like, probably the worst two or three years of my life.

[Jake]

And did anybody give a. About that mental health problem you were going through?

[Peter B.]

I got one. I have one lieutenant who would check on me every about six months. And that was it then.

[Jake]

Just to make sure you were still suing everybody.

[Peter B.]

That's probably why I was still there. Make sure my equipment was still, you know, in order. The battery in my patrol car, which was sitting out in front of my house, was not dead.

[Jake]

Right.

[Peter B.]

It had gas in it. You know, hey, your GPS hasn't turned on in three weeks. You might want to go start your car.

[Jake]

And this is what's hard to convince young people of. Without Sounding disgruntled, right? Or like you're, you're being a Debbie Downer or in some old dude that's just jaded. But you don't think about these things when you're 20, 30 years old. You can't even fathom being broken, right? And like what's going to happen when you're out of a job or you're injured and then you gotta, you get people screwing you over doing illegal things and you got to sue them because they're doing illegal things. You're like, just it. I'm immortal right now.

[Peter B.]

I'll worry about it later. Like I said, I was trying to get back into law enforcement when I moved back to Florida, but I can't even get a letter. I had a. Who's now a lieutenant colonel over the Department of Public Safety deny me a

[Mike]

letter of

[Peter B.]

work, basically that I worked there for eight years. They will not write me a letter saying that I was a, an officer with full arrest powers.

[Jake]

No reason why, no reason, no reason why.

[Peter B.]

Literally the text message I got was, lieutenant colonel has denied writing the letter. And I said, okay, cool.

[Mike]

Why?

[Peter B.]

I'm just the messenger. I have no idea.

[Tyler]

On the phone.

[Jake]

Then I got a question to ask him.

[Peter B.]

Oh, trust me, I tried. He was my captain when I first got hired.

[Jake]

Drive my ass right there.

[Peter B.]

And if it wasn't a 12 hour drive, I would. But that is preventing me from even continuing into law enforcement if I wanted to go down that route. Because my old department, still to this day, seven years later, is, is trying to screw me over and I have nothing to do with that state anymore. Not even there.

[Jake]

So yeah, like, it's a hard, I think it's hard to explain to someone that you're expendable, you're replaceable and not just like on a superficial level. They like the military. You come back from the military, you're homeless, you have no job. Nobody gives a no right. They do as much as they have to do. It's required by law.

[Mike]

Right?

[Jake]

But like other than that, you're just another number. And it's. Everyone's like, well, you're just jaded.

[Nick McCarthy]

No, wait till you figure.

[Peter B.]

I promise that's not.

[Tyler]

Yeah, the job's not dead.

[Mike]

Yeah, I just haven't been over yet and it's never gonna happen to me. All right, we're taking a quick commercial break, guys. We'll be right back. We'll have, we have a guest from the Code33 project trying to motivate new generation of cops. So stick around. After I find this. But over a century ago, in 1910, the Flexner Report, funded by John D. Rockefeller and the Carnegie foundation, re engineered medical education from a holistic whole body approach, which appropriately treated the body as an interconnected system, to a compartmentalized approach. Under the guise of specialized medicine, they shut down or consolidated medical schools, marginalized naturopathic, homeopathic and chiropractic medicine, replacing them with symptom management and synthetic drugs. Drugs. Allopathy is a marketing strategy rooted in fear and manipulated science. This philosophy carried into veterinary medicine, resulting in over vaccination, unnecessary surgeries and manufactured food. Just like they did for people. They call it care, but it's predatory and based on profitability. The truth, toxicity, compromised immunity and chronic inflammation. They're not fate, they're engineered. And so is your power to undo them. We built three targeted formulas to return the body to homeostasis for pets and people to detox, defend and restore. We are the correction to decades of corruption. We are vengeance. And we're back. And I cannot wait to see what the OG Council thinks of this Light. Get ready for some wild things. Why do I have turns?

[Tyler]

I don't have a USB port.

[Mike]

I don't have a USB port.

[Tyler]

In your computer.

[Mike]

Is it enough to power it?

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter B.]

It's just an led.

[Tyler]

A college degree.

[Jake]

It's not an rpg.

[Tyler]

Me.

[Mike]

The. I still got to read sponsors.

[Tyler]

All right, which one you want me to read? You go. It's not even on you.

[Mike]

I know. I was doing the light.

[Jake]

You said you were gonna do sponsors.

[Mike]

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[Tyler]

You want to do mine?

[Mike]

No, you don't.

[Tyler]

I'm working over here. I'm trying to get another guest in. So you do.

[Mike]

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[Tyler]

I have five. Five new patches coming. They're in the mail. And the website's gonna get completely redone by the dudes Chodzilla and Jay and those guys. So. Yeah, check out Copvology.com. use code ANTENNA15.15OFF. New patches will be up probably in less than a week.

[Mike]

All right, so I have a giant light sitting next to me.

[Tyler]

You gotta move it because it's like heat up in that other light. There we go. You can control it, too. Yeah.

[Peter B.]

I was gonna say it's currently changing colors on you.

[Tyler]

How do we do it?

[Peter B.]

Hit any color on there.

[Mike]

So you make these.

[Peter B.]

So I 3D print them.

[Tyler]

Oh, that would be the Copville color right there. We'll go to anti hair color.

[Peter B.]

The initial design I actually got from somebody, but he gave me permission to use it for the rail, the base, and the other stuff that I redesigned or took a partial design and changed up.

[Tyler]

Definitely a SWAT gun because it's got the.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's not a real pack. 15.

[Peter B.]

No, it's not a real pack. It's not even a real flashlight.

[Mike]

It.

[Tyler]

Yeah, the laser's real, though. 3500 laser is real.

[Jake]

San Antonio. Use that for Spotlight.

[Tyler]

Probably second actually, too. It was Orlando PD1.

[Mike]

So you 3D printed all this? Yeah.

[Tyler]

Whoa. So they're going to be part of the giveaway. The Patreon winner has not piped up yet.

[Mike]

Give him a reasonable amount of time.

[Tyler]

Week if he has. If I don't hear from him by Friday. Guys, pay attention to Friday's episode. If the Patreon winner has not. Yes. We're going to do another drawing on Friday, which will include the light, a wallet, and a tumbler that Nick the gun guy made. So.

[Mike]

And you know how we are. If the Patreon winner reaches out to us later, we'll. We'll send them something.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we'll give him the cobble sticker, some chips, and some chips.

[Mike]

Did you. Did you. Oh. Did you tell anybody?

[Tyler]

No. So, I mean, this show's about comedy, right? So we. We sent. We got our camera back. Everybody's concerned, so we sent Jim Bob his stuff back. And I throw a bag of protein chips in and some stickers. It's funny.

[Mike]

It's an inside joke.

[Tyler]

Well, yeah, that was part of the theft.

[Mike]

Yeah. Tyler, Multiple boxes of chips. It was 150.

[Tyler]

It was just a misunderstanding.

[Mike]

Yo, take. Take anything you need. I need all that. Anyways, without further ado, we have Nick McCarthy from the Code 33 project. What's up, bud?

[Nick McCarthy]

What's up, guys? How you guys doing?

[Mike]

Good. We had no technical issues. That's amazing. Yeah. Huh.

[Tyler]

There's no banner for him, though.

[Mike]

There's. You said there's no banner for him.

[Tyler]

Oh,

[Mike]

nice. We got linked up through Kenny, obviously. You were on beyond the Barrel podcast. Super interested in, you know, we talk about the. The next generation of cop worked, and we all debate it. We all argue about it. Some say they're soft. Some say Tom Rizzo says they are soft. So we need to be accommodating for a softer generation. We're all old now, but. Yeah, I'd like to hear what you have to say about, you know, mentoring the next generation of cops.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah, man. You know, obviously I've. I've definitely heard everyone's argument when it comes to this, this generation that we're experiencing right now. And I'm definitely on the side of they need help.

[JoJo]

Right?

[Nick McCarthy]

They need, you know, they need more mentoring in the sense of let's figure out your why.

[Mike]

Right.

[Nick McCarthy]

Like, let's be passionate about what we're doing. But at the same time, I want to be honest with them about what this job actually is. And the fluff and the rainbows and fairy tales that you hear about is not really the case. Certainly not in. In my experience. You know, it's, you know, it's dirty, it's nasty, and, and you need to be honest with them about that. And I think if you can prepare them before they even hit the academy and, you know, have a different outlook as they go into this job, I think ultimately it'll translate to the street.

[Mike]

Do you. What's your, what's your experience in law enforcement?

[Nick McCarthy]

I did nine years for the Daly City Police Department in California. It's right in the heart of the Bay Area. We shared a border with San Francisco. So, you know, we had a. Some high crime areas in our, in our jurisdiction, and it was a blast. You know, I listened to your guest on the couch there, his experience in Mississippi, and that's just. It's insane. Definitely not my experience. I came from an agency, man, where they promoted proactive police work and they promoted, you know, good leadership where, hey, proactive police work equals bad things are going to happen. It's unfortunate, but it's, you know, it's part of the game. It's part of the, the business. And, you know, they're very upfront with, hey, we're, we're going to support you guys regardless of what happens, but we want you to take bad people to jail. And that was our primary focus. And, and that's all I knew. So, you know, the cops that were around me were exactly that way. So being raised in law enforcement by those types of cops definitely taught me the right way to do the do the job man.

[Tyler]

Do you and nice to meet you man. Mike brother, I just followed you back. I didn't realize you followed me. I'm an what up? Sorry.

[Mike]

Give me the big dog. You bro.

[JoJo]

What's up?

[Tyler]

When I hear you talk and I, I, I'm interested in your take on this. Do you, do you then believe with that that it's important to get them the truth. Do you agree that this new Tick Tock recruiting everything is cool and neat? Pink handcuffs. Do you think that's the wrong approach to setting candidates up to get into this job?

[Nick McCarthy]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Because there's no place for that in law enforcement. In police work work if there's no translation there you can be in uniform dancing around and doing whatever it is they do. But that's, that's not what is expected of you when you get to the street or hopefully it's not through the agency you work for. We're not, we're not there to you know, do the Dougie on Tick Tock for views. We're there to take jail. You know what I mean? So I, I, for me, absolutely not. Absolutely not. We need people who are out there actually looking for the right person is, is ultimately what I think. You know, I, I see in this hiring pool now, you know, the number one candidate is the safest bet candidate, right? It's the clean 21 year old kid who's been living at mom and dad's house and you know, they're, they're making sandwiches on the weekend because they're going to college and there's nothing wrong.

[Mike]

Never been punched in the face once.

[Nick McCarthy]

Right, right, right. But it, you know, it's even more, it's even more than that. They've never punched someone in the face. Right? They've never, they've never been in a verbal altercation where they like hey, can I pick up on some cues on when this is going to get physical? Right?

[Mike]

Or I'll give, I'll give you one better. And this is, this could be controversial or people that have never committed a crime before, never once been on the other side of the law as a juvenile, maybe a late teenager got themselves straight. Maybe. I've always said this before, dude. The best cops are always people that have actually been handcuffed before in their life because they know exactly what they're doing to somebody.

[Nick McCarthy]

100.

[Tyler]

Say, hold on one second.

[Jake]

Jojo, I'm behind the camera. I don't have a camera.

[Mike]

Why do you think radio face?

[Jake]

Pretty much, pretty much. And it's been, it's been asked of me and it's been asked before, but why do you think there's a shift in the culture that's starting to focus more on that type of recruiting?

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah, well, you know, it, I don't think it takes too long to, to, you know, turn your, your news on and watch social media to see the craziness that's happening in our world today. But, you know, when I started in 2014, I, I, you know, I was around for the Mike Brown Ferguson shooting and there was protests like crazy where the defund the police started. Right. And it was at that time where I saw this almost campaign that started to diminish law enforcement, diminish what we stand for, but ultimately diminish why we're there. Right. And, and I think through these years, and then you throw in George Floyd, you throw in, I mean, really, at this point, anything you want that you can hate the police for. Demilitarized all this. Not, it's like, okay, yeah, let's demilitarize law enforcement and then go into Chicago. Chicago where there's 20 dudes standing on a, on a street corner with AR pistols in their pants.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Nick McCarthy]

I mean, so, and that's ultimately what I think the, the foundation is of, of this new recruitment type of, of, you know, deal that we have in law enforcement. It's, it's just like almost a constant feeling of trying to, to lower the expectations because we want to put out this, this lie that law enforcement really isn't as bad as it is. Right.

[Jake]

Yeah. So would you surmise, would you surmise it to say that there's an increase of administrations or the, the job as a whole?

[Mike]

Nick doesn't know what that word means.

[Jake]

He does.

[Mike]

You don't know what that word. You need to explain what surmise is.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah, no, I, I, I can, I can kind of work my way around that word. I, I'm fully.

[Jake]

So we're, we're now more pandering to the, the public, the court of public opinion versus before, we would kind of tell them what's good for them. And now they're, we're letting them tell us what's good for them.

[Nick McCarthy]

For sure. For sure. We are allowing people who have zero experience in law enforcement dictate how we do business. And to me, that, that it makes zero sense. Right. You have command staff who are now in positions of power. Right. And have been cultivated for years of this political leadership type of, of law enforcement. And now that they're plugged into their position because They've been promoted. That's the type of leadership they're pushing down the pike. To these young cops that are. Even cops that have been there for 10 years and who have been working hard and are getting good results now, it's a complete shift of this. Hey, we don't want you doing that. Right. We don't want high visibility. We don't want to have shootings in the news and all of this. And they think that, you know, hey, if we just soft ourselves up and, you know, that'll translate into guys not going out there and actually hunting bad guys, and then you throw in their political belief system and then it completely, you know, is side rail.

[Jake]

So let me. And let me just. Because this is. This usually gets taken out of context for a second here. I know. I can't tell if Jake is in character or if he's being serious. Right. The public doesn't know what's good for them is the most base thing I've ever heard. The public have any narrow definition. Right.

[Mike]

I don't even know what base means.

[Jake]

I think it. I think it's taken on like a billion definitions depending on who's using it.

[Tyler]

So I think it's like means good. Like a good de. Based. That's a based.

[Mike]

I get insulted and people go, wow, that's so based. And I'm like, what the. What does this word mean?

[Jake]

Jake?

[Mike]

Is it.

[Jake]

Is it good or bad? Jake? Jesus Christ.

[Tyler]

I thought you were gonna go with the stanky leg comment. If you're gonna go with anything Jake

[Jake]

said, oh, it means good. Never mind.

[Tyler]

I won't.

[Jake]

I won't start ranting. I'll save it.

[Tyler]

You were about to get pitched out, Jake.

[Peter B.]

Based.

[Tyler]

How about this? I made this. I made this comment today on my episode that I dropped. One of the things that I thought killed law enforcement was I think it got too focused on the college degree and the need for education. I'm not knocking degree and how hard it is or how much it shows your ability to work and achieve something. I'm not knocking it. But in the police world, I believe that we got a lot of administrators that caught that college degree bug, like 2008, 9, 10, and it became more important than getting out on the street and interacting with the community. I think college degree applies some places, but in the world of policing, you're not going to treat people any better or worse or do the job any better or worse, in my opinion, based on a college degree. And I think a lot of agencies went to that degree requirement which again shrunk the pool and then took away from actual policing. What is your thought on that?

[Nick McCarthy]

I couldn't agree with you more. I certainly saw it in my, in, in my career too. You know, I, I have nothing but good things to say about my, my department and I'm, I'm proud of that. Right, because you hear horror stories, but my department's same, you know, police department as every police department's got its. And I saw that same thing, man. It's like, hey, I just went out and you know, I have a degree in fine art, whatever the that is. And now that allows me to get into this pool so that I can be promoted to lead. Right. But, but the, your, your most experience that you're going to get is from that street and getting out there and interacting and seeing what that's all about. Like, sure you have a, you know, degree in something that translates into investigations probably pretty, pretty easily and pretty good. Right. But leadership, right? And having a sense of what police work is. You're not going to learn that in a, in a, in a college or any fucking school, right?

[Tyler]

I mean like economics, like if you had a degree in economics you're gonna work economic crimes. Or if you had a degree in some type of psychology or something to do with like sex cases or even forensics.

[Mike]

That's not, that's not sworn, but that's a specific degree that I, I agree. I just, I know for science, right?

[Nick McCarthy]

All your.

[Tyler]

And I would see, I would see where an agency go, hey, we're gonna pay for you to go learn that 100 when it comes to like Law Enforcement 101. Your drug classes, your interdiction classes, your on hands on classes are far more important than a degree. But like you said, a lot of agencies went you have to have a degree to promote. So now the guy who's been pounding the pavement doesn't have time or just doesn't take the time. I'm doing such a good job here, doing XYZ for the community. I don't have time to go remove myself from the job and instead of my free time training and doing, but good for that, I'm going to go get my degree and you kind of stop being a cop to go focus on this degree. Well, you have to make a decision to do that to get promoted or not get promoted.

[Mike]

I think that degrees show a work ethic that is, it's a. First off, you commit to a degree and you get it. So it shows commitment and it shows especially if someone's willing to go get a degree while they work full time. I think that's the only thing it does because outside of that, it doesn't really do any good as far as work experience. Military, you know, you see a lot of places will waive the degree based on like military combined with prior service. You know, something like that. That's, that's at least beneficial to the career. But yeah, the, the promotions and stuff is where you see mostly less hiring process but more promotions. You need to have this degree.

[Tyler]

I just don't. I do. Again, I agree with you that it shows dedication. That's one way my kids are never going. That's one way it shows dedicated. But also, what if I just choose to go to work every day, put the full 12 hours in, hitting it hard, putting guys in jail, makeup on, teaching you guys how to do the job. And, and that is my contribution. How does that, how does that make me less promotable than a guy who goes, I'm not gonna do any of that and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, three hours a day, I'm gonna study on duty and go over here in the corner of a parking lot and, and,

[Mike]

and you gotta make sure you call, call the captain every day, just get, get friendly with him. You know, you gotta play the game.

[Tyler]

I just, I, I don't see. I think we, I think it became too degree heavy for, so if for

[Jake]

promotion, I think most people will agree and this has always been my position. I used to be heavier on the college degree and thinking it was important. But I agree it shows discipline, commitment, ambition, dedication. All of those qualities that you look for. Kind of like, you know, you can tell a lot about somebody if they're overweight. But anyway, so I think that if you're going to appreciate those things about a degree, then the only the application it should have should be pre hiring. Right? If you're going to have it as some sort of qualification or requirement before getting hired so that you know that people that you're hiring exhibit those qualities or characteristics that you find important. But once you've hired them and they've proven themselves within the job, which is what matters, not can you do biology or philosophy. That doesn't really matter and have a whole lot of value or benefit. So I think if you're going to require a degree to be a reflection on the type of people you're attracting, that's fine. Prehire, but post hire, I think it's ridiculous.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. 100. I mean I'm not knocking, you know, college degrees, you know, but I mean, I don't have one. I mean, you know what I mean?

[Mike]

But y' all are all dunking on college degrees. Cu, I have one. Mike. Really? On college degrees? Once he found out I had one.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I wish I knew that yesterday before I recorded. But no, that, I mean, you, you agree. What was your agency stance on degrees? Was it required for promotion? Did you notice? You know, what did you, what was your experience with it

[Nick McCarthy]

for.

[Mike]

For.

[Nick McCarthy]

Are you talking for us? Like we.

[Tyler]

You, like, did you have to have a degree to get promoted? Was there a point where you needed it?

[Nick McCarthy]

We, we had to. So when I first got hired, we didn't need the degree to get promoted and we didn't need a degree to get hired. All of that was, was no degree. As I probably about the four year mark that came down the pipe where it's like, hey, if you want to promote sergeant, you're going to need at least an AA degree. And you know, for me at that time, I never really thought about promoting. But you know, I, I have a high school diploma and you know, the printer was running out of ink when they printed that for me. You know what I mean? And, and so I was like, what am I gonna. If I do want to promote to be a sergeant one day, I'm gonna have to go back to school for this. I hate school and passion. But you're, you're right. Like, it, it does show your, your commitment, right? It shows that you're organized, you can, you know, accomplish a goal. All of those things are great attributes to have. But for me, you know, if you're standing next to me, when is terrible on the street, I don't give a what school you went to, right?

[Tyler]

I want to know that I'm gonna take you guys to a magical place. We're gonna get on the Star wars teleport. Isn't that something important? May the fourth be with you or whatever that was. We're going to teleport to another galaxy where the administration, our agency, instead of saying, hey, if you want to promote, you need a degree, bring me your last five felony investigations. Bring me the, bring me the five search ones. And I'm not saying people, it has to be that, but I'm saying if. And I'm not. And some of that can be burglary investigations. From a patrol standpoint. Show me, show me the case where you sat outside in the bushes for nine hours to catch that burglar or you, you sat down the road for Three days until you caught that guy. Bring me those cases and show me anybody can go learn cooking or like you said, biology or whatever. I can learn it, test it, show me the dedication you put into cases and that led to some flipping an informant or getting a burglar caught. I'd like to see that. Now imagine if that got applied across all the law enforcement for 10 years. For 10 years. Imagine the leaders that would be in positions that have that mentality.

[Nick McCarthy]

Dude, I wouldn't even be starting this company if that was the case, man. You know what I mean? I, I, you know, when I tested for canine, we had to do the same thing, right? They were like, you know, give us your, your last three felony hooks and, and you know, as a case file, everything. And I, I agree with you. I want to see that, you know, let's say it's a burglary report and it's a, you know, call for service and you're dispatched there. Did you take those extra steps, right? Did you actually investigate this crime or did you take the report and you know, do a shitty job and, and not really care. So like it? I, I agree with you. 100. And if you're going to go into, let's say, you know, yes. Promotions, right, you have all that administrative. But if you're going to go into a, let's say a specialty position, right, Like I want to know cases if you're testing for our street crimes team, I want to know cases if you're going to be a detective, I want to know it on every single thing you're applying for.

[Jake]

Well, here's something about supervisors. You're going to be over either road patrol or a special unit. Shouldn't you be the most well versed person in that unit? Or discipline where now it's, that's not the case. You may not know anything about the unit you're in as a supervisor and really, you know, and all these classes and even when it comes to leadership classes, I know it has some value, but this is not rocket science, right? Like it's not rocket science to be a decent human and treat other people like decent humans. If you need a class to teach you how to do that, like we should slap your mom. She should have been teaching you that like 20 years ago, right?

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah, no, I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, I, I honestly, I couldn't agree with you more. I think leadership, especially in law enforcement, if you don't have a good foundation on, on the street and when, I mean the Street. I mean, there's a hundred different things that you can apply when I just say the street. Right. Like I, you know, have you found yourself in a proactive incident that has turned bad? Right. You proactively stop a car, you know, you have a. Someone on parole, probation or something like that, and all hell breaks loose from there. How did you manage that?

[JoJo]

Right.

[Nick McCarthy]

Are you able to make the right decision under stressful circumstances, or are you not? Right. And that translates straight into a leadership role. If you're going to lead a team, that's a graveyard team on the weekends, let's say your, your team's going to go out there and get into. And if you have no experience with it, how are you to be there to lead them through that?

[Jake]

Exactly.

[Mike]

There's no way.

[Tyler]

And where I always thought about this, it was the backwards reverse thing, was take the guy who can make extremely good critical decisions in the heat of those hot calls.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I can teach him how to check the payroll for the whole division. I can teach him what the policy is on, you know, how many sick days till you have to do a report to say this guy might be. I can teach him all that administrative stuff. What I can't take is the guy who dodged all that stuff his whole career, never made a critical decision, never got in a pursuit, and then put him in charge of a division where he has to look at, what, Monday morning and go, oh, we had three pursuits this week. Oh my God, I would never chase a car for that. This is horrible.

[Nick McCarthy]

Well, right.

[Tyler]

Never did. Oh my God, I would never have taken that guy to the ground. That's horrible. Yeah, because you never did it. So I would rather take the guy that's made the critical decisions in those hot situations and then teach him the administrative side of things versus taking some clown who's never done it and then go, now you're the patrol captain. Well, oh my God, I've never even. I've never used force in my career. I've never been in a pursuit. Dude, how the, are you gonna, how are you gonna judge me on it if you've never done it? That's, that's my whole problem with law enforcement.

[Mike]

So what is. Doesn't sound kind of blunt, but what is it that you do? How do you help this next generation? Like what's your. Is it, it's a non profit, correct?

[Nick McCarthy]

No, it's a, it's a mentorship company, so. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically we have the, the code three, three project dot com. You go on There you submit a consultation, I meet with you to see what your needs are. You know, basically the way I market it is I. I'm a cop tutor, right? Like, if you're thinking about going into law enforcement and you want help preparing for the, you know, hiring process, oral boards, backgrounds, whatever, we can mentor you through that. If you're in the police academy and you're struggling with a, I don't know, a certain learning domain, right? Like, we can help you through that FTO and then solo street cop stuff at the same time. So it's really just as easy as, like, hey, what are you struggling with? We can help you with that. But ultimately, our main focus is these.

[Peter B.]

The new.

[Nick McCarthy]

The new hires, man. The ones that are thinking about going into law enforcement and just haven't put in that application yet. I want to mentor those. I want to change their mindset, understand their expectations, and make sure that they have the work ethic that I believe, you know, law enforcement should have. You're there to work. You're not there to fucking look good in your uniform and act as though you're cool because, you know, you've been given this, this opportunity, you know, and, and being as a, a cop from California, you know, I know how to work when you're under a ton of scrutiny, right? And my work ethic never changed, man. I wasn't there to make friends. I really didn't give a. What anybody said about that. I was there to, you know, give a service for my community. And the way that I did that was I was proactive. And, you know, that's not a conceited place where I'm coming from, man. It's confidence because I know the results that I got, right? And, and, and so if I can give just a little bit of that to this next generation that's coming in, maybe, you know, it can give them that foundation that they can build upon that's. That's better than what it is now.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we got super chat from Pride Assassin. Dropped out of my gay ass college riddled with Commies in 2000. Dropped out of med school. Legalized drug dealers. Dropped out of law. Oversaturated. Pride Assassin always tells it like it is.

[Mike]

No, maybe a little bit of no courage.

[Tyler]

Hey, man, let him go, man.

[Mike]

Let him cook. Let him cook. By the way, bright Assassin works night, so I wonder if the we shifted to the right two hours into the day. I wonder if that his sleep schedule up?

[Tyler]

I hope not. We're not worth it.

[Mike]

So what do you guys do as far as long term, as far as staying in the game, as far, like with law enforcement, do you guys have guys that are active law enforcement in there? Because I noticed with me and Mike is that you're out of the game for a minute. Things start changing in the culture, and you start seeing it like, wait, they can't do that anymore? They're like, no, you didn't know that? Like, no, that makes no sense. Like, how do you stay in touch with law enforcement culture to where someone says, hey, I need to be able to know this? And you're like, why do you need to be able to know this?

[Nick McCarthy]

Right, right. You know, you, you uniquely for me, I come from a massive law enforcement family, man. We're a big Irish cop family. You know, I still have family members that are wearing a gun belt. My dad's man, 60 years old, and he's still wearing a gumball. So, yes, that's in California. All my buddies and are still on the street there in California. But I also have some good contacts out here, and I'm in Idaho. So, you know, I can stay plugged in there, but it's basically doing my own research in any other state. And that's been the most difficult thing for me. Me, because there's certain states that don't allow you to do certain things that I was able to do even in California. So I stay plugged in in that way. You know, I really rely on my. My family and my buddies. And. And right now, man, we're. We're three months into this, so we're, you know, baby stepping it along and. And learning as we go. So, you know, hopefully in the next, you know, year or so, we'll. We'll definitely be plugged in a little bit more than we are now.

[Mike]

All right, so your Instagram is the Code 33 project. I followed you before Mike did. Just.

[Nick McCarthy]

Thanks, bro.

[Tyler]

You know who the you are. But he followed you. Yeah, exactly. If you say something. But.

[Mike]

But yeah. So here's the website code33project.com. Let me get rid of this banner. Although very badass and cool, sometimes it does get away.

[Tyler]

I was gonna on Idaho, but I can't.

[Mike]

Why?

[Tyler]

I was gonna make a joke about the amount of people, but it's actually the dead middle median of the United States, the 25th most populated state. How many people you think are in Idaho?

[Mike]

Millions. You know, I want to get to those demographics.

[Tyler]

No, there's not many of them. Total people. All of them.

[Mike]

I don't know.

[Tyler]

Good answer. Anybody?

[Mike]

How many people are in the state of Iowa, Idaho.

[Jake]

500,000.

[Mike]

1 million. 1 million. What else? 1 million.

[Nick McCarthy]

2 million.

[Tyler]

Well, I knew you knew the answer.

[Mike]

Me?

[Tyler]

No, he said it

[Nick McCarthy]

was it 2 million.

[Tyler]

2 million. 2 million 58. 594. Damn.

[Nick McCarthy]

I had no idea.

[Tyler]

I'm sorry. It's a 37th most populous state. And it's the 25th. 25 on a rank of population. Let's get the real number, though. Hold on.

[Mike]

All right, so here we go. Here's the staff. There's all Nick right there. Colby and the McCarthy's law enforcement courses, consultation. You guys are only 90 days in, right?

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah. There's more. There's more coming. Don't worry.

[Mike]

Contact us. More coming. Let's give you that number in a minute.

[Tyler]

Oh, it's like my website. It just takes you back to the beginning.

[Mike]

I wanna.

[Nick McCarthy]

The home page is the best.

[Mike]

All right, Mike, what's. What's the demographic of 83.35 or white? Yeah, I'm sure there's no Asians out there. What's the Hispanics out there? What's Hispanic out there in Idaho? Lots of them.

[Tyler]

The restaurants, I'm sure they got Delta.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah, there's a. I mean, I. I don't know any of it, but it'd probably be pretty close to the white demographic. I would say the Hispanic demographic. I would definitely lean on that.

[Mike]

Are there Amish people out there?

[Nick McCarthy]

Actually, you know what? I think they're. I think there is. I've seen too many. I'm not 100, sure, but.

[Mike]

So they don't believe in trains, but I guess they. They don't believe in planes, but they believe in trains, so they'll derive the Amazon. I love trains. I took a train across the country just recently, and it was packed full of Amish people because. Really?

[Jake]

Yeah, because they don't do planes.

[Mike]

They don't. They. Oh, I guess the technological advancements for planes, they're not cool with. But the technological advancements of Amtrak and all of its. You know, what it provides, they can

[Jake]

get other perfect sense.

[Mike]

Amish territories, Amish territory.

[Tyler]

You learned that in college?

[Mike]

Yep, I just learned that three weeks ago, dude. All right, Nick. Hey, man, I appreciate you so much for coming on. Like to have you back on anytime you want going. You know, when you're. When you got a course set up, man, hit us up. We'll bring you in. Anybody that's entering law enforcement, go hit up Nick at the Code 33 project. At the. Is it the Code33project.com? Yeah, the Code 33. Okay. Yeah, yeah. All right, man. Be safe out there.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah, absolutely. You guys too, man. I appreciate it, and we'll talk soon.

[Mike]

All right, buddy. All right, Mike. Well, for those of you watching that don't know who we are, we haven't done this in a while.

[Tyler]

Really? Yeah.

[Mike]

We're a show for the boys, right? So if you're in a team room, you're in a smoke pit, you're in a parking lot at 3am you're in one of those lounges in a fire station. If you're a fireman not doing any work, we try to replicate that here in this show. It's for the boys. 98.5. You know what's funny is somebody thought 99 for the boys meant because of our demographic. It's not that, but that's actually pretty clothes. It's 98.5 men.

[Tyler]

Really?

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah. On YouTube. So, you know, everything. First responders, blue collar, you know, veterans. You name it, we talk about it. We. You know, we've all been in those industries, and we're just fun. We're fun to be, fun to be around. I'm fun to be around.

[Tyler]

Having fun.

[Jake]

Fun to make fun of.

[Mike]

Fun to make fun of, fun to

[Tyler]

make fun of that. That makes it. We got regular old blue collar dudes in our network.

[Mike]

Oh, wow.

[Tyler]

On him a little bit. Regular old dude. Oh, you sound like a. You sound like regular dudes, man. Just.

[Mike]

Is it the feet that does that to people over there, or is it just.

[Tyler]

That was a good way of putting it. Regular dude.

[Mike]

Oh, just a regular.

[Tyler]

I'm sitting in a regular dude chair. I'm not a college graduate, dude. I'm a regular dude.

[Mike]

Oh, man. Bring this regular dude on.

[Tyler]

This regular dude. Oh, my goodness. Where's G money? In the van, dude.

[Mike]

You do?

[JoJo]

Yeah. Y' all want to see the piss bottle?

[Tyler]

No.

[Mike]

You kind of look like you're gonna go buy drugs, and you're a little strung out.

[Tyler]

He does look like a guy that I would send to buy drugs.

[Mike]

Like a fake. Yeah, the wig on under that.

[JoJo]

If y'.

[Jake]

All.

[JoJo]

Hey, if y' all know anybody that needs a guy, let me know.

[Mike]

All right?

[Tyler]

Talk to us. What's up? What's going on out there in the wonderful world of Texas and oil?

[JoJo]

First of all, Hello, Jojo.

[Mike]

I hope you're having a great day.

[Nick McCarthy]

Shut up.

[Mike]

You don't mean that.

[JoJo]

I'm trying not to get assaulted. So that was actually. I was not joking. Like, the. Like, the idea that, like, the public probably doesn't Know what's best for them, I think is kind of the foundational idea for, like, government. Otherwise, why would you have a government?

[Jake]

Yes, you're exactly right. That's exactly why it was all. All put together the way it is.

[JoJo]

Yeah, well, and, and so, like, it used to, like, democracy was never supposed to be our thing. Right. It's supposed to be a republic.

[Tyler]

It's not.

[Jake]

We are a constitutional republic. People call us a democracy and that shows you exactly why the public doesn't know what's good for them, because they think we're a democracy and we're not.

[JoJo]

Well, we've drifted further and further that way, though. And that's why, like, that's why everybody's got this idea. Like, I mean, like, it started with, like, you know, some weird constitutional amendments where they decided that we weren't gonna. We were gonna have popular election of our senators when the state represent the state houses used to represent or elect the senators. You know what I mean? There was some other weird stuff. Like there were some amendments in there that allowed some people to vote. They probably shouldn't be voting.

[Jake]

I'll go sit down. That 19th really got in the way.

[Mike]

You're not allowed to work. What are you doing over there?

[JoJo]

No, no, no, no, I didn't mean that one.

[Jake]

I do.

[JoJo]

All right, fair enough. I can't tell if that's a joke or not, so I'm gonna abstain from commenting on that.

[Jake]

No, it's not a joke.

[Mike]

I'm serious.

[JoJo]

I feel like it's a trap, but. Yeah, no, I think, like, just somebody actually calling it out and being like, you don't know what's best for you. That's why you have a government.

[Tyler]

Government.

[JoJo]

But then again, I would probably feel differently. I mean, I feel differently about that living in Texas where I've got this like, crippled dude in a wheelchair running the state and he's selling us out to India. He's turning major Texas cities into Mumbai, where they're building 80 foot statues to, like, demonic Hindu monkey gods, like, outside of Houston. Like, that's crazy.

[Tyler]

I thought everybody liked Abbott.

[JoJo]

No, I mean, the boomers love them. And unfortunately they're the ones that vote. But you're seeing the same shit in Ohio. Like, they're literally about to. They're either going to have to elect. You guys followed Ohio?

[Tyler]

Yeah, he won. Vivek won the primary.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah.

[JoJo]

So they're either going to let this freaking, like, Hindu anchor baby or they're going to have to elect, like, this like, female, like, Democrat small Hat person. Like, they're.

[Mike]

Which.

[JoJo]

I mean, which one would you rather have? I would. Honestly, I'm not a fan of Democrats. You probably could have guessed that. I would probably take. I would probably take that broad.

[Tyler]

Really?

[JoJo]

Dude, he's done. He's gonna flood the entire. You can undo most of what Democrats do, right? They're going to pass some gun control, raise taxes. Like that. It's bad, but you can undo that the next time around. But Vivek is gonna, like, flood the state with data centers and, like, millions of Indians, and you can't just, like, you've seen that we don't.

[Mike]

He is.

[JoJo]

Dude, it's gonna be. It's gonna become, like, little. Little.

[Mike]

Not those Indians. You don't mean the Feather Indian?

[Tyler]

Not the Feather Indians.

[JoJo]

No, dude, they're gonna be in the streets dirtying up the rivers, and you can't. You can. You can see that we obviously don't have the collective political will to move people out of the country that shouldn't have never been here.

[Mike]

Like, you're being California just like Florida is.

[JoJo]

Say it again.

[Mike]

I said you're being California just like Florida is.

[JoJo]

Yeah, dude, Ohio is about to get it bad.

[Nick McCarthy]

Well, actually, I don't think. Jokes.

[JoJo]

I don't think Vivek can win because, dude, that's like, his. Did y' all see that clip of him going and hanging out with, like, these old boomers? I get a church and, like, talking to these evangelical leaders and explaining to them that Jesus is not the son of God and whatever. He's just, like, sitting there lecturing him with his, like, demonic Hindu nonsense, and they're just nodding their heads and being like, okay, good. He's going to get rid of property taxes. Like, I can keep sitting on this land like a dragon until I die.

[Mike]

I wouldn't. Jake. I would not answer this super chat for $2. I would. What does it say?

[Peter B.]

I'll answer it.

[Tyler]

Don't even ask them.

[JoJo]

Segregation. So actually, that's. Actually, it's a trick question, but Efren's asking an important question because I'm actually really involved in a project right now

[Jake]

to,

[JoJo]

you know, we're really in. You know, like, the idea of, like, national sovereignty and borders has gained a foothold in popular discourse. Right? Like, it's finally a topic that we can talk about being like, hey, it's a. We're allowed to have borders and be a country. It's not necessarily winning, but it's on the up and up right now. So I'm involved in a Project to. To put borders and just hear me out. Put borders around the Internet. Does that make sense?

[Mike]

Enlighten me.

[JoJo]

Okay. If you think about a firewall, and there's probably some of those, like, like Jay and some of the other nerds in the chat will probably correct me, but I think about it as a firewall because I want the wall to be made out of firewall.

[Mike]

That's not what a firewall is, Jake. That's my nerd voice.

[Tyler]

Always had a cold.

[Nick McCarthy]

I think.

[JoJo]

I think it is, but we'll hash that out later for the sake of us. Like normie. Like dumb dumbs. Just picture a firewall around the Internet where people from, I don't know, say, like Africa and like the Indian subcontinent can't just come in and pollute your feed with like arrogant, sexually aggressive posts.

[Mike]

Well, there goes tick tock.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'd be all right with that.

[Mike]

You know what, the way it sounds morally right.

[JoJo]

Dude, I'm just. And you know, maybe at some point after we really close it all off, we could put some little doors in where like you could pop in and read what people are thinking. But my deal is like, I don't really like if your civilization can't manage to in a toilet or like, say, maybe you never actually invented the wheel. I'm not particularly interested.

[Tyler]

Government shutting them down.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're getting shut down. Jake.

[Tyler]

We can barely hear you.

[Jake]

CIA is coming in hot.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're about to get drone striked.

[Jake]

Look for the satellite.

[Tyler]

Look for the satellite chat from Tristan. He wants to know his favorite shark. And James de La Cruz says, senor Jake said, please no borders. And Jake's dead.

[Mike]

He's been wiped out.

[Tyler]

Last year is dead out of here. We'll get. We'll see if we can get him back on in a minute.

[Mike]

Jake, if you can hear us, I would back out and then come back in. That usually solves the problem.

[Tyler]

I just saw an interesting ruling.

[Mike]

Indians.

[Tyler]

No, it's not Indians that a three up federal judge ruled that a city cannot compel. It was a Pembroke Pines case. Cannot compel officers to turn over their personal text messages through a public record request from to internal Affairs.

[Jake]

Because that's old.

[Tyler]

Is it old?

[Jake]

Yeah, a few months ago.

[Tyler]

All right, that's interesting though. I just. Somebody just posted it and I had not seen that, but you have.

[Jake]

I showed it to you.

[Tyler]

Oh, I've actually didn't see it. And I wanted. I knew she wanted to talk about it. So back that day three months ago, she said, next time I'M on.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Make sure you bring this up

[Mike]

organically.

[Tyler]

I remember now. Four, three months ago.

[Jake]

Anyway, you want to read these super chats?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I already did.

[Mike]

We got a new one. There's a new one One. A freedom association. Nothing wrong with it. If you don't want me around, I don't want to be around you. We self segregate all the time. America.

[Tyler]

America.

[Mike]

Sharks. I've never, never forget when a pride assassin called in. That was.

[Tyler]

He was hammered.

[Mike]

It was awesome. That was when we were talking about doing the. The 24 hour derby.

[Tyler]

The lemon race.

[Mike]

I still want to do that.

[Tyler]

The lemon. We lost our driver.

[Mike]

We did. I don't know. Oh, there he is.

[Tyler]

He's in there like three times.

[Mike]

He is.

[Tyler]

No, no, no.

[Mike]

Is it us?

[Tyler]

That might be his Bluetooth.

[Mike]

Is it us?

[Tyler]

No, never us.

[Mike]

Can anybody hear him?

[Jake]

Just static.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Okay. And then drooped in the chat.

[Mike]

Yeah. I'm asking the chat. Can anybody hear Jake? Because he comes. He's coming out very staticky. It might be our. Oh, James says he'll drive the car. He's got Bluetooth on. He sounds like he has one of those voice changers for people that don't have a voice box. Yeah, they could just hear static.

[Tyler]

We appreciate it. That's it. We're good. Thank you so much.

[Mike]

Mike runs a tight sh.

[Tyler]

Than for joining us on the antiher broadcast live every day 1 to 3pm

[Mike]

he's stroking out again.

[Tyler]

We can't hear him.

[Mike]

The vampire hero broadcast. All right. Is it worth bringing him in?

[Nick McCarthy]

No.

[Mike]

Again, he. Well, we'd have to turn off our box. I think it's our box.

[Nick McCarthy]

You want me to push some button?

[Tyler]

Box has never made that noise.

[Mike]

That's true.

[Tyler]

Hold on. Let's see.

[Mike]

It's the feds.

[Jake]

Are you gonna call them?

[Tyler]

No, I'm going to come in the room.

[Mike]

What's this that you added?

[Tyler]

Look at that. That's from our buddy John up there. It says that for those crying that NYPD officers cannot make political statements in uniform. Let me remind you, this is the George Floyd error. So one of the things I think where he's referencing and what we've been talking about is the issues with them not speaking up about the cooler incident, some of the other stuff. But there's brass in the middle of

[Mike]

the street taking a knee.

[Tyler]

Taking a knee with a fellow person

[Mike]

that is just looking. That is the most. I don't know I sound like my wife. But that to me is the most like evil satanic. I've Ever seen where authority is bowing down. You're watching authority. The one thing that's supposed to protect you is bowing down to crime. A criminal syndicate known as Black Lives Matter that has stolen money, laundered money. And you got these guys, your authority bowing down to them.

[Tyler]

The. The opposite to this. And where I have a problem with it is you're basically doing what everybody does is categorizing all law enforcement as bad. You cannot agree with one side. You can have your. Everybody's down the middle. There's some. Oh, everybody's got a Derek Chauvin, George Floyd stance. There is no reason to go all the way to something that happened Minnesota and kneel down in New York City over. It's not the same. It'll. You'll never recreate that exact incident. So let that incident stay where it was. And you can like it, not like it, debate it. That's fine. But it should not apply across the board because that's the. The same thing. We can. We do that to criminals. Like an Asian dude killed a cop in Minnesota. So we're good. All Asians are bad now. And we're going to kneel about Asians and we're going to hold like. You can't just apply something all across. It has to be. Every situation has to be looked at individually. That situation happened in one little place. Like it.

[Mike]

Hate it.

[Tyler]

It stays there. You don't have to kneel down in New York or LA or Idaho or wherever else and go. We're gonna jump on board too. No, let that case work itself out where it is. Let it. Let everybody get disciplined. Let it play it out. It's not a national thing that a black dude with a fake 20 bill is gonna go on the ground, knelt on. It's not. You don't apply it like that. We don't apply that to criminals.

[Mike]

That's the nicest I've ever heard you explain the George Floyd incident. I've got a man on the ground that got knelt usually. Oh, you did. But usually you're a little bit more.

[Tyler]

No, no, I'm not. He was murdered. He was murdered. I never said he was murdered. He was. It was negligent. The behavior was negligent.

[Mike]

In the streets, in discreets. Jefferson.

[Jake]

Newbie.

[Mike]

$10. That was the most disgusting I ever saw, watching them take a knee like that. Yeah, dude. Like I said, I take it all the time when this happened. I was watching. I'm like, man, this is gonna be. I was. I was just at my new agency when this went Down. And I remember seeing it and I was like, you know when you see a police shooting that gets riots. You're like, this is gonna be a rough three weeks. Everyone's gonna throw their weight around and it'll die down. And I was like, this one's gonna be bad. And I started seeing all chiefs and sheriffs coming on going, this is an outrage. This is disgusting. They have no idea what the went on. They have no idea.

[Tyler]

All your social media like Ashley Smith and everybody.

[Mike]

Brennan from bjj, black blocks on there,

[Tyler]

putting the black blocks. I can't breathe. And all these people, it's like, it's

[Mike]

like you said, I'm turning on my blue line brotherhood immediately. With no facts, no nothing. I can't just sit this one out and let it landscape. But these guys can't because they want to be the first ones. That's why, that's why these. When there's a police shooting, they can't wait a couple days before they break it down for tactics. There's a guy dead, there's a cop dead. And these dudes are trying to teach us combative lessons on how to prevent this.

[Tyler]

Bro, for fourteen hundred dollars you can come learn my tactics. This, this, this shooting right here is exactly why you should come to my class. That's exactly what they do. And. But when you applied like the Black Lives Matter stuff throughout the nation, immediately you are on cops. Anybody who jumped on that train of kneeling down and all that, you basically said the police. You said the cops. I'm not gonna. That is one dude that made a decision in one city. It's not all cops, but everybody jumped on board, knelt down. The Vera beach police department did it. I did the episode on it today. Their whole staff is out front, knelt down all these influencers, Ashley Smith, all these clowns on tick tock. They all put the box up. I can't breathe. All this. It was one guy. It sucks. We all. I always say it. I don't like to see anyone die. Not a fan of it. Didn't kill anybody, don't want to kill anybody.

[Jake]

He also doesn't own slaves.

[Tyler]

But it's unfortunate that happens. But I can be just as disturbed when I see the psychopath real at 3am where somebody's getting blown up in another country. I'm like, God damn, that sucks. Or you see somebody get stabbed on these robberies in Brazil and all these crazy. They also are. Somebody hurts a dog, it sucks. It sucks when somebody gets injured. Something happens, but you can't immediately apply it to an entire group of people. Because if that's the case, we could do it the other way. Look at Chicago. That means all certain people are bad, right? No, you can't do that. It's not. Well, you can't. So it has to be applied right? And then police can be grouped together as all bad. You do that to any other group of people, you're racist or you're. You're. You're racially profiling or you're illegal. It's illegal.

[Mike]

It's not all of them. It's always Jake's ready.

[Tyler]

Cops.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, cops. James Della Cruz for $10 before we bring. He's back. He survived his airstrike. But James says come.

[Tyler]

Come down to Rex Quando.

[Mike]

Remember that? Deploying dynamite. Pedro, you think somebody wants a roundhouse kick in the face with me wearing these bad boys? And he's got the American parachute pan. All right, never mind. Tough crowd, tough crowd.

[Tyler]

Get up and do the scene.

[Mike]

Jake, can you hear us?

[JoJo]

Yo, can you hear me?

[Tyler]

Yeah, we can hear you. Was that facade.

[JoJo]

If I was gonna guess, I would say yeah.

[Tyler]

What do you think about that whole thing that George Floyd applied across to the kneeling down? I know how you feel, but what do you like, Honestly, to blame all the police for something to happen in one place?

[JoJo]

I mean, dude is bananas. Like, dude, he would, like, you know, Like, I. And I think that they decided that it wasn't even a counterfeit 20, but they didn't even get the opportunity to investigate it because. Because he flipped the out. He's like. He's built like Shrek and he's fighting with the cops high as on Fentanyl. Like, I mean, Jesus, what are they supposed to do? I. Dude, kneeling on him that long? I guess, but I don't know. And it's not like. It is weird because it's not like the cops knew what a piece of he was. Like, his whole criminal record when they were kneeling on him. But it is.

[Tyler]

We're gonna choke these 21 arrest out of you. We're gonna get you now.

[JoJo]

But, dude, I mean, like, it was a policy approved that Derek Chauvin was taught. It's. It's insane. But they didn't.

[Tyler]

I know they didn't. I mean, what the was he.

[JoJo]

He's supposed to be there with a stopwatch.

[Tyler]

He'd still be there if somebody didn't grab him.

[Mike]

Time's up.

[Nick McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Come on, man.

[JoJo]

Dude, I just, like. I don't know what I mean, dude, I. I think that there's Nothing actually better that encapsulates like the. I don't know, like the spiritual composition of the like modern left wing movement than the fact that that had like two or three different funerals and they built statues to them.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's. That's what I'm saying. It's like we don't do that for. We didn't do it for anybody. Like a cop gets killed, they put like a sign up on the highway and that's unfortunate. Like such and such memorial highway. It's completely gone and nobody really remembers. There's not gonna be a statue built. But it just.

[JoJo]

And those are like, honorable.

[Tyler]

Regardless of his criminal history, nobody deserves to be murdered. You don't get to serve justice out on the street and do a. But it's different.

[Mike]

Okay, so what if.

[JoJo]

What if he had robbed a pregnant lady at gunpoint and put the gun up to her stomach that held an unborn child?

[Tyler]

There's a certain level of crime that he could have done that nobody would have cared what happened. That's the other problem.

[JoJo]

How close is that though, to being a child molester?

[Tyler]

There is no.

[Peter B.]

But.

[Tyler]

But there is something.

[JoJo]

What if the child was alive and he had put a gun to the child's head and robbed him for a lollipop?

[Tyler]

If he would have killed somebody first, then all that would happen would have

[Mike]

been like, shot somebody and then got killed by police.

[Tyler]

He did a robbery and shot somebody and then that exact scenario unfolded. Everybody been like, but here's the thing.

[Mike]

If he had shot and killed somebody five years ago, it wouldn't have mattered. No, it would have been just like it is. They want. But what.

[JoJo]

What if. What if he was just out in public, high as on drugs and then misbehaving, and the cops showed up and

[Mike]

he decided to fight him committing crimes and then the cop. What if the cops got called there because he was committing crimes?

[Tyler]

That's where I get. That's what I'm saying. Regardless of the crime, regardless. Take the 20 was real, okay? He was still displaying behavior that needed to be addressed by the police. You couldn't continue to let him go wild in. Obviously.

[Jake]

I don't even think the content at the context matters anymore. You have suspects and criminals pointing guns at cops, and cops are shooting the people pointing guns at them, and there's still people sympathizing for the person that just pointed a gun at a cop. And why did they shoot him? Well, because there's a gun pointed at me. Like, it's. There's just. I don't know if there's any context anymore that even matters. There's no rationalism.

[JoJo]

You're right, JoJo. But there's another point that. That makes me think about. I'm a. I'm a. I'm like a, like, terminal white belt in jiu jitsu. I can't ever seem to get past white, but I like it. I know Mike's a big proponent of it. Tyler's not. But something nobody's talking about that only people down here in Texas are talking about is, like, why are. Like, why are more police agencies not talking about Texas tickle fighting?

[Jake]

Like, if you.

[JoJo]

I mean, dude. Okay, so like, a guy like George Floyd, Mike, you're. You're not a small guy. I think you would have had your hands full with them. But if you tickled the. Out of that, man, he's going down. You get them either under the arms or in the ribs. Some people. Some people are uniquely. Some people are uniquely susceptible to being tickled behind the legs, like, on the hands.

[Mike]

That sounds like a cool metal band. Texas Tickle fight.

[JoJo]

Yeah, but if you got to subdue a guy the size of George Floyd, it's a viable option.

[Tyler]

Bag of snakes.

[Mike]

Bag of snakes.

[Tyler]

Snakes, man. You throw a snake out, forget it.

[Mike]

Black people don't like snakes. Apparently nobody.

[JoJo]

And you know what, dude, I'm sorry, but if you're. If you're patrolling in an area like that, why don't you have a little, like, you know, where you're gonna encounter a lot of folks like, you know, like George Floyd. Why don't you have a little Chihuahua on a leash? He would have got down on the ground immediately.

[Mike]

They don't like dogs either, mate. Thanks.

[JoJo]

He'd still. He'd still be alive, out on bail, committing other crimes if they had just had a Chihuahua.

[Nick McCarthy]

All right,

[Tyler]

Chihuahua, thanks for coming back on, man. We appreciate you, dude. Thanks.

[Mike]

Bye. All right, that's it for today.

[Tyler]

Draw the line of Chihuahua, huh?

[Mike]

No, we're just wrapping up. Okay, so what's tomorrow? Thursday?

[Tyler]

Thursday.

[Mike]

Thursday.

[Tyler]

We're.

[Mike]

That's 1pm Trying to remember, do we have any.

[Tyler]

I have a college degree.

[Mike]

I don't think we have any guests.

[Tyler]

1:00pm what happened to G Money?

[Mike]

He didn't call. He called out sick. G Money also hasn't been briefed on the new in studio days, so we got to figure out what days G. Money is going to come on.

[Tyler]

I don't think it matters, does it?

[Mike]

Well, I mean, we can't just have him, like, popping in because what if One week he doesn't call us and he doesn't work all week. So we kind of got to have like, days where G Money's on because that allows us to have, like. If we know we're gonna have G Money on, we're probably not going to stack up any guests. But if G Money's not on, then we'll probably stack up one or two guests.

[Tyler]

So basically saying we have no idea we're doing tomorrow. We're just broadcasting.

[Mike]

We'll know around tune tomorrow what we're doing.

[Tyler]

Friday we have Pat.

[Mike]

Friday we got Pat. Yep.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

And yeah, Pat.

[Tyler]

I can get somebody tomorrow.

[Mike]

We don't need anybody. We're good. We don't need anybody. I love people, but we don't need anybody. Wanna get G Money.

[Tyler]

Who is he? Usually he's. He usually he's in the lobby. Just not. I got. Okay, I got one picture. If you call out sticky, you're gonna get made fun of.

[Mike]

Right.

[Tyler]

If you go to sick call in the army, you're. You're okay. So we have one of our followers. Loyal, loyal followers. Not gonna say his name unless he says it's okay. That made what I believe is like the new podcast that G Money might be involved in.

[Mike]

Oh, okay.

[Tyler]

So you find my own name to send me the picture again. This is. This is a follower. This is not me. Don't get mad at me.

[Mike]

Nick the gun guy, Huck Finn is actually in Ohio for a. An event he was gonna come on today, but he couldn't, so he's signing autographs, all that stuff.

[Tyler]

So apparently since G Money has stiffed us, this is his new setup and new podcast.

[Mike]

Oh, that's where he was this whole time?

[Tyler]

That's what I'm told.

[Mike]

Gee Money.

[Tyler]

So maybe we're gonna.

[Mike]

California.

[Tyler]

Maybe he's out in Cali. I don't know you. Cause sick though. This. This is what happened.

[Mike]

Yeah, man, you ditched it. Kind of looks like Rob o'. Neill.

[Tyler]

It does. Anyway, we love G Money. We hope he's doing well. We haven't heard from him, but if we do hear from him, we wish him well. He missed out on millions of dollars last night. There's a whole setup. People change our screen names and everything. Dude, it was already.

[Mike]

Don't tell him that. We can just do it tomorrow, tonight

[Tyler]

if he shows up. We don't know we heard from him.

[Mike]

Yeah, well, he's supposed to go on tonight at 8 after 7 o', clock after a hot topic and then 8

[Tyler]

o', clock, G money done all right,

[Mike]

so 7 o', clock, hot topic, counterculture, inc. YouTube channel. Following that? Maybe, maybe not. If G Money is not if he's showing up to work, it'll be 8 o', clock, the G money Show. So tonight, tomorrow, tons of time to hang out with us.

[Tyler]

Jv team for life.