Squadcast (Live) 02/13/2025

Summary

The Antihero Podcast: Squadcast (Live) 02/13/2025 – Detailed Summary

Release Date: February 14, 2025

In this episode of The Antihero Podcast, hosts Brent, Tyler, Drew, and guest Ethan Nagel navigate through various intense discussions centered around military experiences, government accountability, and the integrity within the veteran community. Despite initial technical difficulties, the conversation delves deep into critical topics, enriched with personal anecdotes and listener interactions.

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1. Introduction and Technical Difficulties ([00:00] – [02:18])

The episode opens with the hosts encountering significant audio issues, struggling to establish clear communication. Brent remarks, "Well, here we are." ([00:01] Brent), while Tyler expresses hope that listeners can tune in despite the challenges. These technical glitches set the stage for a live, unfiltered discussion.

2. Introducing Ethan Nagel ([00:52] – [02:18])

Once the audio stabilizes, the hosts introduce their guest, Ethan Nagel. Brent provides a detailed background:

"Brian Niggle, please. He's a Marine Corps veteran, 0311 infantryman, scout sniper, Silver Star recipient, Purple Heart recipient, and three tours of combat." ([01:10] Brent).

Tyler adds excitement about Ethan's upcoming episode on Vet TV’s Embed Actual, highlighting his multifaceted roles as creator, director, and cinematographer.

3. Government Fraud and USAID Discussion ([02:18] – [04:51])

A listener, Zubi, raises a pressing question:

"How did Delta Force and other elite units fail to realize that USAID was repeatedly funding and training our ops? We have the best intelligence in the world. How did this go unnoticed time and time again?" ([02:36] Zubi).

Brent responds:

"That's not what our intelligence focuses on." ([02:36] Brent).

Ethan shares his firsthand experience as a contractor in Afghanistan with IDS (formerly Blackwater) dealing with USAID-related financial misconduct:

"We had a mission to go find, I believe, almost 99% sure it was a USAID. USAID nonprofit or a USAID location... Accountability." ([02:47] – [04:12] Ethan).

The discussion underscores ongoing issues of fraud and corruption within government agencies, emphasizing the need for transparency and accountability.

4. New Military Advertisement and Fort Bragg Renaming ([07:05] – [10:19])

The hosts critique the new Army Green Beret advertisement:

Brent describes the ad, comparing it unfavorably to a previous, more narrative-driven ad about a girl fighting for equality.

Tyler questions its authenticity:

"Is that a real army ad or is it fan made?" ([08:00] Tyler).

Ethan provides insider insight, confirming the ad’s authenticity through connections within the Army’s social media team.

Transitioning to the renaming of Fort Bragg:

Brent praises the decision to honor Private First Class Ronald Bragg, a WWII veteran, instead of a Confederate general, noting it as a significant and respectful move:

"After the Civil War, they intentionally left heroic Southern generals... But instead of renaming it after the Civil War general, he honors Private First Class Ronald Bragg... So he renamed it Fort Bragg, but he finds a World War II soldier named Bragg and renames it after that." ([08:43] – [10:19] Brent).

This reflects a commitment to honoring true heroes and moving past historical controversies.

5. Tim Kennedy's Interview Controversy ([12:00] – [37:00])

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting Tim Kennedy’s controversial interview on another podcast:

Tyler and Brent criticize Kennedy for alleged fabrications and dishonesty in his war stories, questioning his credibility and integrity.

Brent summarizes the issue:

"We're dealing with some really, really bad fraud, waste and abuse... Tim Kennedy's twisted narrative... he lies about his past." ([12:00] – [37:00]).

Ethan supports the critique, sharing his experiences and emphasizing the importance of honesty within the veteran community:

"If you don't stand by the truth, your reputation is all you have... It's frustrating, but I am also glad that some of these things needed to come to light." ([25:56] – [37:00] Ethan).

The hosts argue that internal accountability is essential and that exposing dishonesty serves the community's best interests.

6. Medal of Honor Awards in Modern Conflicts ([72:03] – [82:03])

Brent and Ethan engage in a heated debate about the legitimacy and political influences surrounding Medal of Honor awards in recent military engagements:

Brent asserts that modern awards have become politicized:

"Let me throw it at you this way... you could have asked your teammates, but there's no reason to call a teammate just to say, 'you good with this lie.'" ([72:03] – [82:03] Brent).

Ethan concurs, reflecting on systemic issues affecting award recognitions:

"There are a lot of politics involved... Commanders are not necessarily looking out for ground troops." ([72:03] – [82:03] Ethan).

They highlight discrepancies between historical and contemporary award criteria, suggesting that valor is sometimes overshadowed by rank and politics.

7. National Guard and Minneapolis Riots ([97:25] – [102:55])

Ethan recounts his experience during the Minneapolis riots:

"The riots kicked off... weapons caches were found... National Guard was activated to patrol the streets... Operation was intense." ([97:25] – [102:55] Ethan).

He details the chaos, including confrontations with rioters and the strategic deployment of the National Guard:

"The ROE brief was the most efficient I've ever seen... if you feel threatened, you are cleared hot to engage." ([101:46] – [102:55]).

Brent and Tyler reflect on the National Guard’s role, emphasizing the complexity and volatility of civil unrest situations.

8. Listener Interactions and Super Chats ([Various Timestamps])

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage with numerous listener messages (super chats), ranging from questions about leadership and law enforcement careers to humorous banter. Notable interactions include:

• Leadership Advice:

  Tyler shares, "Life is not fair. God has a plan for you. So adapt and overcome." ([76:34] Tyler).

• Law Enforcement Career Insights:

  Tyler advises aspiring officers to treat the career as a stepping stone rather than a lifelong pursuit: "Go be a cop. It's fun, but don't think it has to be your career." ([13:18] – [14:20] Tyler).

• Controversial Discussions:

  Listeners debate pronunciation of words like "cash" vs. "cachet" and "pecan," adding a lighter tone amidst serious topics.

9. AI-Generated Content and Outro Song ([86:00] – [89:03])

The hosts explore the advancements in AI technology, particularly in video and music creation:

Ethan remarks on the improved consistency of AI-generated content: "It's nuts. There's some really good stuff out there." ([86:19] – [89:03]).

Brent discusses plans to incorporate an AI-generated song for the podcast’s outro, praising its quality:

"The song sounds good... It's a gangster song." ([86:55] – [89:03]).

This segment showcases the hosts' interest in leveraging technology to enhance their content.

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Conclusion

The Squadcast (Live) 02/13/2025 episode of The Antihero Podcast offers a raw and candid exploration of military integrity, government accountability, and the challenges faced by veterans. Through in-depth discussions, personal stories, and active listener engagement, the hosts provide a comprehensive look into the complexities of modern military operations and the importance of truth within the veteran community. Despite technical hurdles, the episode succeeds in delivering meaningful content, fostering a space for honest dialogue and support among its audience.

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Notable Quotes:

• Brent on War Stories:

  "That is probably the best war story we've ever had on the podcast." ([01:35] – [01:47] Brent)

• Ethan on Government Accountability:

  "Accountability. It was nuts, I'm telling you." ([03:51] – [04:12] Ethan)

• Tyler on Law Enforcement Careers:

  "Treat it like a military enlistment. Just go do it. Get some life experience." ([13:38] – [14:20] Tyler)

• Brent on Medal of Honor Criteria:

  "Or you know what else you could have done? You could have asked your teammates..." ([35:03] – [36:19] Brent)

• Ethan on Modern Conflicts:

  "Politics 100% play for the Gwat...” ([70:12] – [82:03] Ethan)

These quotes encapsulate the episode's focus on authenticity, accountability, and the nuanced challenges within military honors and operations.

Transcript

[Brent]

Well, here we are.

[Tyler]

Oh, I hope you guys can hear us. So let us know if there's any audio.

[Brent]

Audio problems and all. Here we are.

[Ethan Nagel]

Greeps, see if we have any audio.

[Brent]

There's still no audio.

[Tyler]

None. No audio.

[Drew]

Are you kidding?

[Ethan Nagel]

No sound.

[Brent]

Well, here we are.

[Tyler]

Hope you guys can hear us. Oh, we got audio. Oh, they're saying for the intro.

[Brent]

No audio for the intro. The intro.

[Ethan Nagel]

Okay.

[Tyler]

All right, guys. So welcome back to the Thursday night squadcast. Thursday nights for the boys. We got the boys in studio. We got a full crowd. But of course, we have issues that we cannot explain and don't know why they're happening. But right now, we are currently unable to play any videos for you to hear, including the intro. So, yeah, worked all week on it.

[Drew]

Worked fine this week. Didn't work today.

[Ethan Nagel]

Just happy to be here.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Let's introduce our guests just real quick. So you know who we got here in the middle? We got Ethan Nagel. Nagel. Is that correct?

[Ethan Nagel]

You got it? Yep. Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

You gonna say what you said earlier?

[Brent]

Brian Niggle, please. He's a Marine Corps veteran, 0311 infantryman, scout sniper, Silver Star recipient, Purple Heart recipient, and three tours of combat.

[Tyler]

Amazing stories.

[Brent]

Oh, man. When. With. Go listen to his episode when it drops this Monday.

[Tyler]

Don't know if it's gonna be this Monday or next Monday.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I have to figure that out.

[Brent]

And I know you're not. It's. I know no one ever wants to. To hear this, but just you're. You're gonna have to. That is probably the best war story. That's what I told him we've ever had on. On the podcast.

[Tyler]

The Best War Story.

[Ethan Nagel]

I appreciate you making.

[Tyler]

Told very well. You're a filmmaker, so you deliver too. Yeah, he kept the suspense going.

[Brent]

And besides that, he works with Vet TV and in bed. Actual is the. The show that he created, directs, and is the cinematographer for.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yes. So go check that [e-mail] streaming service to check out Embed Actual.

[Brent]

Yeah, just got done with that podcast. Rolling over here to the live. Really enjoyed it, man. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.

[Tyler]

All right, we're gonna hit some super chats real quick. Get caught up. Zubi. Zubi. No disrespect, but how did Delta Force and other elite units fail to realize that USAID was repeatedly funding and training our ops? We have the best intelligence in the world. How did this go unnoticed time and time again?

[Brent]

That's not what our intelligence focuses on.

[Tyler]

Bad intelligence.

[Brent]

You should. You should be asking our Government. That question, which is exactly what Elon Musk is asking our government. That same exact question.

[Ethan Nagel]

Can I interject with a storybook?

[Brent]

Yeah, send it.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. So we had a. It was funny. This is all coming up. So when I was a contractor in Afghanistan, I worked for under. It was IDS, which was formerly known as Blackwater 2013. We had a mission to go find, I believe, almost 99% sure it was a USAID. USAID nonprofit or a USAID location. And it was this female, if I remember correctly, from, like, Berkeley. And they kept giving us false POS reps. Like we were, we were there. Like, oh, we're in Kabul. So we're like, we go to location, no one's there. Another week goes by, hey, we're trying to track this chick down. Go look. Not there. And my team leader, because I'm, you know, I'm just there, like, working, making good money. And he's like, yeah, she's avoiding us. They're, they're, they're, they're. They're giving us the wrong locations, all this other shit. We finally track them down a few weeks later. The rumor had. Had it, because again, I'm just. I'm just a grunt, you know, I'm just a protection detail. But we were tracking her down and we were trying to figure out what was going on because apparently there was some money that was missing and it was usaid, and she was shacking up with some Afghan dude, but she was someone out of, like, Berkeley, California.

[Brent]

Sounds about right.

[Ethan Nagel]

And it was, it was a lot of money. And, and it's funny to hear the story now with usaid because they're like, oh, they were just throwing money out the window. And I'm like, oh, back in 2013, that would have been prime time to snatch up a bunch of money from the Afghans. Shit that was happening then. It was. You thought it was bad now, like, back then. It was nuts, I'm telling you. Accountability.

[Brent]

I couldn't be any more excited about this. Elon Musk is going to keep digging and keep finding, and we finally have the people in charge that cannot. That want to know the truth. And we are going to un. We're going to dig up and find some. What I think is some really, really, really bad fraud, waste and abuse by our government and corruption that we all know is there. We. And we've always known it's there. And I really feel like to some degree, we've, you know, just kind of stuck her head in the sand or just felt like there's no one willing to, you know, go against the system and prove it.

[Ethan Nagel]

But time have changed. Yeah, well, and back in those years, too, like, we knew it. Like, I wasn't, you know, we talked about in the episode, but I was in from 05 to 09 and then contractor till 2013. Like, I saw that firsthand. The contracts that we had, we had a guy come out for our building, but it was a tent. We're like, oh, cool. Get one of the GP tents or whatever, right? It was a circus tent. I you not. It was a circus tent. It was for the Afghans. And like, I was like. And I was even mad. I was like, how much did you win this government contract? You just picked up some tent to how's the Afghans? And then they upcharge them. You know, it was like, I'm not.

[Brent]

Mad either, but if you think about it, a circus tent is a little bit more appropriate, probably. Yeah, it's a little bit more appropriate.

[Ethan Nagel]

It was just the amount of. Honestly, I think the biggest egregious offense is. Is the acus.

[Brent]

Oh, don't start.

[Ethan Nagel]

I was Marine Corps, but I want. I want someone to get to the bottom of that.

[Brent]

You know who. You know who loves ACU's OG. He said it was. Did he say who's Mr.

[Tyler]

Nasty Time? They said, till told me to tell you you're tiny Till.

[Brent]

To who?

[Tyler]

I don't know.

[Brent]

All right?

[Tyler]

But hey, all right, now it's out there.

[Brent]

All right?

[Drew]

Zeta says Drew Trump called. He said you fired, but it wasn't me. Gosh darn it, Drew. Over 20 minutes. No excuses. Can't blame Tyler for this either. Yeah, you do.

[Brent]

Do you. Do you normally blame Tyler? Is that why they're saying that?

[Drew]

I usually. I usually blame you.

[Tyler]

I'm for it.

[Brent]

Oh, man.

[Drew]

Thanks for waiting, guys.

[Brent]

Guys, I know this is frustrating for everyone.

[Tyler]

I'll.

[Brent]

I'll defend Drew for a second. This. Drew has been in the studio for hours and hours and hours, hours this week making sure all of our audio problems are finally done. And he's made so much progress. Only for this to happen tonight is just insane.

[Drew]

It worked. It worked.

[Ethan Nagel]

Earlier this week.

[Tyler]

We are still going to break down the. The video that was in the thumbnail. But, I mean, we'll just go. We'll talk about what they said. Because I've watched it a couple times and it's not very long.

[Drew]

Sometimes stream labs fixes itself as it plays. It just does.

[Brent]

It's glitchy, but we got all sorts of things to to talk about.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Plank design says Brent. You guys need to watch the new Green Beret ad that came out two weeks ago.

[Tyler]

I would if we could hear it.

[Brent]

I do. I do want to watch that, actually. So speaking of that, someone just showed. Showed me, like, the new army ad.

[Drew]

Oh, I saw.

[Brent]

And they overlaid it on the old. Like there was. And this was a real army ad, which was the cartoon about the two moms. Like this girl who grew up fighting for equality her whole life, so she knows what it's like to fight and her two moms. And. And just. Just ridiculous. And the new ad is this buff dude in the gym just lifting weights in an army shirt. And. And at the end it says, because strong people are harder to kill. Finally.

[Tyler]

Is that a real arm yet or is it fan made?

[Brent]

I. I don't know. I. I'm gonna say yes. You heard it here.

[Ethan Nagel]

I have a little bit of insight a little bit on that. I just talked with a buddy of mine, and he is working directly with the. The chief of. The chief of staff, the Army. The. The head dude, and he's helping run their socials. And so I wouldn't doubt if that's a real.

[Brent]

Oh, we're back, baby.

[Ethan Nagel]

I'd have to confirm with my buddy with that. But that just.

[Tyler]

That's what we do. We just say here, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

That ad is making army great again.

[Brent]

So. And on. On that topic, I want to stay on topic of. Of the army and the military are great. Sec Def has in one of. I think is one of the most brilliant moves in SEC Death. History has renamed Fort Bragg.

[Tyler]

But it never was.

[Brent]

Did you. I know. It never was. It never was to the guys. Do you know how he did it, though? He didn't go back to the Civil War general's name, which. Let's take. Let's do some history real quick. It's such a slap in the face to take his name off of it. Because after the Civil War, they intentionally left heroic Southern generals as name or named them their bases or remained or let their names remain to honor them and say, hey, like this is. This is an olive branch we're giving you guys. Like, you guys fought for what you believed in, but the war's over and we're gonna become a nation again. It was, it was, it was. It's really one of like, no other nation ever fought itself and then honored the other side that way. Like the Civil War could have been. Could have held us back for hundreds of years if the north didn't Treat the south the way they did. And that's part of it. But instead of renaming it after the Civil War general, he honors Private First Class Ronald Bragg, a World War II veteran who received a Silver Star and Purple Heart. So he renamed it Fort Bragg, but he finds A World War II soldier named Bragg and renames it after that. Such a baller.

[Ethan Nagel]

Move it is. That's awesome. You know what that write up too is? I believe he, like, hijacked a vehicle and got his buddy from the front line back to the. To the rear under fire.

[Brent]

I gotta see what that silver star. That's. That's a good thing. Let's find out. That silver star, right?

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, I. I think that's what I heard.

[Tyler]

You're gonna have to be aggressive with the super chats.

[Drew]

Tim Kennedy's conscience says I don't exist.

[Tyler]

I get it.

[Drew]

Get it. Zulu whiskey. You might be drinking some whiskey on this one, tater. How do I tell my dad that my mom is telling my dad that I'm mom and dad are telling me. All right.

[Tyler]

How do I tell my dad that my mom is tell my dad that I'm mama?

[Brent]

All right, so answer it, Tyler. Yeah, people are paying good money. Answer the damn question. I know.

[Tyler]

On top of it, I know what they're doing there. But they also did misspell, like, there's grammar issues.

[Brent]

Well, then give them. Give them.

[Tyler]

How do I tell my dad that my mom is. Tell my dad my mom is my dad and I'm my mom and dad. I hate you guys.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Drew]

I drink a couple more whiskeys there, Zulu, and get back to it. Justin Gidhart says shout out to the boys watching live from the ambulance station. Love it. Tyler, got any good stories interacting with ems?

[Brent]

Good question.

[Tyler]

No, because I'm usually on scene first and out by the time they get there.

[Drew]

Come on. The boo boo box moves slow.

[Brent]

No, I remember.

[Tyler]

I remember when I first. When I. Our first episode together. Brent, when you are a guest on the anti hero podcast, episode 12, Brent gave mad props. Ems, and I'll try to paraphrase this as best I can, is that those guys see the worst and they get. No, like, cops get the guns and the badge firemen, you know, get the abs and whatever the hell they got. EMS workers have their medical bag and they sit in the back of a meat wagon and just see and experience the worst things possible.

[Brent]

And I, I. And the other thing I said was EMS guys save more lives probably in a month than the other two do combined all year. If not, in a week. And they get absolutely no credit for what they do. They really don't.

[Tyler]

Yeah, and I won't help you move big, fat dead bodies, so don't act.

[Drew]

Diesel farming says TK Is the Drake of the military community.

[Brent]

He's not like us.

[Drew]

Chance Cooper. Brent needs to play the Elon Trump. Vance.

[Brent]

We tried to play that. That was one of the audio issues we're having. You get out of my head. Yeah, I love. I've been listening to that all day.

[Drew]

Hey, you know, we might try to play it later, see what happens.

[Brent]

It'll be the outro then. You're already ahead of me.

[Drew]

Trent Jacobs. Fraud, waste, and abuse. Sounds like my pornhub. Recent searches.

[Brent]

Got me on that way. Oh, the super chats. They're here. They're here tonight.

[Ethan Nagel]

I'm digging. I've never done this.

[Tyler]

Awesome.

[Drew]

Holden Gowin, thanks for the love, man. That's awesome. 50 bucks. Thanks for keeping the lights on, man. Brent, what books would you recommend reading to improve leadership mindset?

[Brent]

You stop there, it'll answer it. Men, Mission and Me by Pete Blaber. There you go. That's the book.

[Drew]

Boom. Mr. Girth, what advice would you give to someone looking to go into le law enforcement and be successful? What should they look out for and stay away from? Love the content, boys. Keep it up.

[Tyler]

Law enforcement is great for life experience for a young person, but it is not what you think it is. And I'm so sorry to tell you that every single cop will agree that's been on the road for at least two years. It's in some cases, not a brotherhood. In a lot of cases, the wrong people promote. The right people don't. We've talked about that. And at the end of the day, all I will tell everybody, go be a cop. It's fun as, but don't think that it's gotta be your career. Treat it like a military enlistment. Just go do it. Get some life experience, build your resume, go to school, and then enter a different career field with the life experience that being a cop gives you. Mic drop.

[Drew]

What should you stay away from?

[Tyler]

Cheap women, females and alcohol.

[Drew]

There it is.

[Brent]

There it is.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

One thing to get jammed up, which are two things.

[Drew]

Tim Kennedy's conscience is gonna have a night $2 at a time.

[Brent]

Thanks, brother.

[Drew]

The video is not very long. Just like my PM CD. Blake, big fan. You guys should have CW2 Nick Lavery on the show.

[Brent]

Active duty.

[Drew]

All right. Active duty Green beret who got lost his leg in Afghanistan and returned to the oda. He's a great guy.

[Tyler]

Yeah, he'll do it. I, I, I. He does. I don't want to sound like a dick. He does way smaller podcasts than ours, and he's happy to do it. Yeah, he's. He. He's a. He's a hard dude. Watch his story, go on YouTube and watch his, like, mini doc. And then, like, dude, he got his leg blown off and a huge firefight. Wanted to be a Green Beret again. His whole healing process, his whole rehab process that they. The group or the Green Berets said, yeah, you can come back in. You got to test the same standards, though. And he passed every single physical. What do you call that? Rehab that anybody with two legs would have to do. He had to pass with one.

[Ethan Nagel]

The gates. Yeah, get all the gates or whatever.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, great story. Great dude.

[Brent]

Wow.

[Drew]

All right, Zeta's back in. Thank you, brother.

[Tyler]

Sheesh.

[Drew]

Now I have to send another one to say I'm just messing all love. My real goal is just make Drew say, go, dummit. Go to me.

[Tyler]

He's getting on.

[Brent]

That's right. Go, Demet Fulham, four times.

[Drew]

You got me, buddy. I read it for you.

[Tyler]

There you go.

[Drew]

John Todd, thoughts on this? Let's have illegal immigrants hunt down sex offenders for a chance at citizenship. We'll call it Alien.

[Tyler]

That is genius.

[Brent]

Predator.

[Tyler]

And this would be the administration. Implement it.

[Ethan Nagel]

They could get away with it.

[Drew]

100.

[Ethan Nagel]

They'd be like, yeah, let's do it, man.

[Drew]

That's the super chat of the month.

[Brent]

We haven't had one that good since. What do you call, you know, fracture? Yeah, that one.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, that was good.

[Brent]

That one. What do you call it when Navy SEALs you know, shoot. Shoot drug dealers? Something like. It was like fratricide. It was something like that. Oh, my gosh. The way they work. Oh, gosh.

[Drew]

All right. Azeron worker. Fort Dylan never.

[Brent]

Moany. Fort Dylan Mooney never.

[Drew]

For those of us who have no idea what that is, help us out. Me too.

[Brent]

He's a. He's a. He's a trans. Dylan Moany is God.

[Ethan Nagel]

He was the one that brought down Bud Light.

[Brent]

Bud Light. Bud Light gave Dylan Van his own can. And I'm sure they would have given.

[Tyler]

Him his own military base, too, the old Bud Light.

[Brent]

Before, they were like, you know what? Maybe this isn't working out.

[Tyler]

So, you know who brought Bud Light back was Dana White.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, no.

[Tyler]

Dana White did. Before, when he. When everybody was like, you're gonna let them be the main sponsor of USC and He goes, listen, it was one hiccup these guys have employed. He went in and talked about all the. All the people they employ. And you want to, you know, do you really want to punish all of them for some dumbass campaign they did? And yes, they've changed their ways. They're part of UFC now. Get over it. And everyone's like, bud Light's cool.

[Brent]

Yeah, no, Bud Light's not cool. I haven't. I haven't had a Bud Light since then, and I never will.

[Tyler]

You will.

[Brent]

I'm petty like that.

[Ethan Nagel]

There's a really good podcast. I just listened to the micro one, and he had the guy that worked at Bud Light as like a VP or something. And he was there when they were denied they had the ES or the DEI going through. And he quit right before they did. Dylan Mulvaney, he goes, the marketing team literally would not do. They would not team up with brands. Black Rifle Coffee was one, and I killed the deal with Black Rifle Coffee, them and Anheuser Busch, because they. There's not the people they wanted to go after. And then they immediately released the dilo, and then everyone went to shit.

[Brent]

Here's the problem I have with that. And at the end of the day, I don't know what their true intentions are, but you can't just change course because it wasn't cool. Like, you showed your true colors and just because you're like, oh, my bad. I. I thought. I thought trannies were cool. You know, it just seems like you're only changing, right. Because you got caught. Yeah, right.

[Ethan Nagel]

I get that.

[Drew]

Raven, 2, 3. 50 bucks. Thank you very much. I'm glad to see TK's downfall because of his actions. I feel bad for his family to find out the lies and backlash indirectly they received. Do you think tk ever thought his actions create chaos in or on his family?

[Tyler]

His family? Wait, what happened with his family?

[Brent]

No, but of course his family.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

The generality of it, it's not like a specific story, but it's just he has to go home and tell his wife.

[Tyler]

I think he lies with his family too.

[Brent]

Exactly.

[Drew]

It's important how you live, fellas.

[Tyler]

All right?

[Drew]

The Bible says that the sins of the fathers fall on the children for four generations, so.

[Ethan Nagel]

Whoa.

[Tyler]

Fathers Kennedy's are fucked.

[Drew]

Yeah. Watch what you do. Watch what you.

[Ethan Nagel]

My wife had to watch a podcast to find out my silver. Really? She knew of it? She. She never. You know what I mean? She didn't ask. I never talked about it. I started open up a little bit more and then she, she, you know, and eventually then I showed her the write up and everything and.

[Tyler]

That's awesome. Yeah. You got to prove yourself nowadays, unfortunately.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, yeah. I said to you guys in the email, I was like, hey, here's my paperwork. I sent you the link to. To the. It was like the Military Times article. I was like, here it is. I swear to God it's real.

[Tyler]

All right, let's try and play a video and let us know. Guys, I highly doubt you're going to be able to hear it. We'll try it. If not, we're going to break it down anyways and then you guys can go watch on your own.

[Drew]

I'm going to try it through. Through display, see if it does any better. Which video we going to do by.

[Tyler]

Just try that one.

[Brent]

Let's try that one. Let's try that one. I want. I want that to go so bad.

[Tyler]

Whoa, it's working.

[Ethan Nagel]

There you go.

[Drew]

It works on our side.

[Ethan Nagel]

Now. You know, the ones who've lost their touch.

[Brent]

I love that. They got to see it, though.

[Tyler]

I love that.

[Ethan Nagel]

Great video.

[Brent]

Send. I'm telling you, send it to all your friends. Go. I'll find out the. I. I'll give the creators some credit for it here in a second because I think that's important. They're on. They're on X and. Oh, that's. I. I'll have to find Drew. Drew, scroll down on. On the YouTube video. Open up the. More. Oh, Jason Cory. Jason Cory and J Young. Blu Bluth. B L U on X. They're the ones who created that. It may be the coolest rock song I've ever seen and heard. I mean, the song itself is good.

[Ethan Nagel]

Is it?

[Tyler]

You think it's AI oh, 100.

[Ethan Nagel]

It is.

[Brent]

It says the song and AI video.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's a great AI too. I work in that field slightly.

[Brent]

Oh, I don't know how they did it.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's wild.

[Tyler]

Well, they did it. AI did.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah. Don't worry. You guys are gonna get to hear the song on the outro. This is my Outro song, so spoiler alert. But you still got to go watch it because the video was so badass.

[Tyler]

So getting into the topic of the Night the Overdogs podcast, which is hosted by one of the hosts, Platinum Mike Perry. He's been on the show. He's a really good friend. He's an awesome dude. He is a great guy. He's a huge supporter of first responders and military. He heard about the TK stuff and decided to have TK on as a guest. He doesn't. He's never served in the military, so, you know, so you. You could give him some grace on that. Maybe he just wanted to hear the other side. We've invited TK on our show, so I don't slay him at all for having TK on the show. In fact, I. I commend him for it.

[Brent]

It's a fighter show.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Brent]

Tim was a fighter. That's. It's.

[Tyler]

I will say, I don't know if he doesn't remember what our podcast is called, but he says, I have this podcast in Orlando, my friends. It's a SWAT military podcast. He says that a couple times, and he never actually mentions the anti hero podcast, but he comes out swinging.

[Brent]

Like, he. The question. The first question he goes is. He gives us blatant.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, two minutes and 45 seconds into it, his co host goes, I mean, it's not stolen valor. He did serve. Right then and there, I was like, okay, I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but these guys clearly might not have the foundation to stand on in order to ask him the right question.

[Brent]

You're out of your element.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Stay in your lane. No, I'm just kidding. But they. They said it's not stolen valor because he actually served and he lied about valor awards, which is. It's got valor in the name. And to me, that's like the. It's worth. That is worse than somebody impersonating a soldier at the mall. To me, here's.

[Brent]

He had. Mike had a great question for him. Like, right off the bat, he's like, what's all this about, like, you facing 400 Iranians and, like, losing, like, not running out of ammo and have to. His question was perfect and then allowed Tim to answer everything but the question. And then it was like, well, your answer sounds good to me. This is. It's not Mike's lane. Like. Yeah.

[Tyler]

And he doesn't know any better to ask. No.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Answer what I said.

[Brent]

And he said he was like, I'm gonna reach out and talk to them. I actually forgot I was gonna. I was going to today, but I'm gonna talk to Mike. Mike's gonna be like, oh, I didn't know. Yeah, that's what. Because Mike's a good dude.

[Tyler]

Yeah. He just doesn't know, you know, in. Like, in. At 12 minutes, TK is trying to explain, like, you know, the differences, and he's like, you know, I said I used one gun when I actually used another one. Like, you Went into detail describing that gun, which was the gun. What was it called?

[Brent]

Shytac 408. 408.

[Tyler]

4748. Yeah. Great detail. It wasn't like, yeah, the shy tech I had. And then it ended up being something else. Great detail. So you lied. You lied about the gun you used, which is weird to lie about, but.

[Brent]

Well, here's. And here's the crazier part. That was right in front of their face and they just missed it. Tim goes on to talk about like how much detail of him writing in his book, his diaries. Like he's like journaling. But it's a diary is what it is. Just. I don't know. Little girls have diaries and then journal, I suppose. But he use journal. Tim, it's, it's. It's your. It's your diary. So you can't say that I wrote my diary every day and that's how I knew what to write. And then say, oh, I have tbis and I don't, you know, I don't remember everything real well. You don't have to remember thing. Remember everything real well. Refer back to your teenage diary and that will tell you exactly what happened that day because you said you did it same day, fresh in your mind. So you should be 1, 100% accurate.

[Tyler]

And he says quote it at 1405. No. Part of me was trying to lie. You know who says that? My kids, when they used to get caught trying to lie. Like you're not a. Like you're not.

[Drew]

I forgot.

[Brent]

What does that mean? I'm not trying to lie.

[Tyler]

Like that is just good at it. I do it naturally. One thing he says at 13:55, just before that, he says, he mentions that there was 12 guys. And the 12 guys are going to have 12 different stories. And that is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard.

[Brent]

We say this all the time. Real quick. Now, I want, and I want you to add on to this because it's very similar to you. 12 guys will have 12 different versions of the same story. They will like all of their pieces will connect from different perspectives to the same story. But no one is having 12 different stories. Right.

[Drew]

They complement each other.

[Brent]

Right. And what's crazy is right now there's not 12 guys with 12 different stories. There's 11 guys with the truth and the same exact story. And there's Tim, which is way out there. Yeah.

[Tyler]

And you know what happens when you have 12 stories? When you put them all together?

[Ethan Nagel]

They convert. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Make a full complete story, I think.

[Ethan Nagel]

Go ahead. Yeah. And I said, I know the Cliff Notes of you guys are way more in depth than anybody. Even I've seen the Cliff Notes. And I agree with you. I think it's because when you talk with the Silver Star story, even other stuff, like I've talked with my buddy 10 years later and nothing changed of like mine or his. But I found out new things. But it never added something that was so drastically different. You know, like, right. We were in a whole different valley or we were, you know, oh, there was, you know, 700 guys on the Ridgeline or something. Like it just doesn't. You're right. You have it all. It's all the same story, but it's going to be from different perspectives. And when you put them together. But if a bunch of people are saying that didn't happen.

[Brent]

Right. Didn't even happen. They're saying it didn't even happen.

[Ethan Nagel]

You know, it's. It's tough because I always try to give the benefit doubt, especially in combat because sometimes that again, I think his situation is different. But there's a guy I talked to and they were. They. They had gotten to a firefight or something had happened. This one guy swore that he carried a friend to somewhere else or something. And it wasn't him, but it was just like he like connected to it. And everyone around was like, that didn't happen. He swears it does, but he's, you know, his. It was in the midst of it.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Ethan Nagel]

But the guy was like, okay, maybe I didn't, you know, but at the. But then that same aspect, though, I mean, if you're. You're off selling multiple. And you have guys coming out like, hey, man, this. You had his team leader on, correct? Yeah, I saw some of that episode and I'm like, dude, that would strike. I mean, like, if I had my.

[Brent]

Team, three of his teammates.

[Tyler]

And Mike Perry said. And he had one of his. Like he had some. A guy on a military guy. Like, no, it's like it was a ground force commander of the mission in question.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. You know, and it's just tough because, you know, I always like, hey, give the benefit out. But at this point, it's just like, come on, man. Like, what if. And you've done some cool. Like, why do you have to embellish or what? You know, that's the problem.

[Brent]

The truth was good enough. We say it all the time.

[Ethan Nagel]

I tell. When I. When people ask me about my stuff and I would go, you know, it sounds cooler than it was. You know, I was CIA Stacked. Oh, my God. You work with the CIA. I was like, well, yeah, I was. It was. It was like I said on a thing. But, you know, everyone's like, oh, my God, CIA, you know, and they just put that out there. I'm like, I don't. Like, I always say, like. Because people go, oh, you were marstalker. You were green Braille. Like, no, no, no, no. I was attached to 10th group. Like, you can always correct as you go.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

You know, and you have to. Because I. I never. That's something in my thing. It's like, dude, I wouldn't. Again, that's just the mentality. It's like, I would never want to be caught because I think there's. There's also. You earn your reputation, you know, Like, I've seen. I earned mine. I don't want it to be tainted as I moved on to the next thing or even, like, talking with you guys. Like, we all have reps. We all, like, you just texted your. But, you know, jt. What Did JT just text you back? You know what I mean?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

And. And so we have our reputation as we go forward, and I don't want. You know, and honestly, sometimes that's like, all you have. Yeah. You know, like, one guy is like, he's a good dude. He's got a good rep. He works hard, you know, Etc. Okay, cool. But if you start, right, you get out to the public and like, that, man.

[Brent]

And I'll tell you. Exactly. I usually keep personal text messages. Personal, but. But there's no reason to. When you told me that you knew, you know, Jared Taylor from Black Rifles, like, oh, man, let's send him a picture. And so we sent him a picture and I said, you know, this creep, you know, talking about you, because that's how guys talk about each other. And he said, he's rad as fuck. He has a silver star, too. And I said, I'm about to hear all about it and can't wait. That's what you hear about guys who tell the truth and care about their reputation. You get this.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

That's, in fact, the biggest compliment you can really ever hope for is he's a good dude.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

I mean, it's over the top that he said he's rad as. That's. I mean, you don't. You rarely get that one. The best guy. Oh, he's a really good.

[Ethan Nagel]

Silent professional mentality. Like, it's just. Like I said, I didn't talk about for 10 years, but it's like, if Someone's like, no, he's a good dude. Like, there again. And that's all you want. Like, if you're getting on a team, especially when we're working with like contractors, you're going back into the combat zone. Or like, you know, if we cross check people or we cross check people, be like, oh, he's a good fucking dude. Like, that's all you can, that's all you, all you need. And it's like that silent professionalism again. It's been 10, 12 years on and it's that really hard thing, I think, within our community. And that's why I kind of, you know, like, I kind of, I do appreciate what you guys are doing on that aspect of like, we kept it internal for years because we didn't want anything to spill into the civilian community. Because the civilian community supports us so much.

[Brent]

Right.

[Ethan Nagel]

That you don't want the drama. You don't. So people that are, you know, doing some crazy or saying stupid are getting away with it. And it's not like they should be anyways, but they get away with it. And then no one says anything. And now we are further enough on, like, I'm pretty secure in what I do. Like, anybody can be like, oh, I don't know about that. Ethan's like, no, that, like, you can cross reference people.

[Tyler]

Like, I've been around. I was on there.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. And like in other places. And it's just like your reputation precedes you. And I just, it's frustrating. But I am also glad that, like, I think some of these things needed to come to light.

[Brent]

But you know, you know, it's crazier about that is the other aspect, which we talk about all the time, but we don't get to talk about it with you, is that we do that truly, as a service. As a service. Because who else is going to call out the veteran community but the veteran community? We're the only ones that should. And to get, and to get civilians say, oh, you're just trying to turn, you're just trying to tear down other veterans. It's such a slap in the face.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, the other thing too is, and I've talked to a few guys about it, you know, especially, you know, the antihero, because, hey, I'm coming on. And some people, like, you know, I don't know, they, you know, they're kind of lighting up on some of these.

[Tyler]

Guys who said that.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, I mean, just like in general. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like. But at the same time, they're also kind of like, that's kind of needed. But, but they, but it's also like, oh, they. You know, it's like we shouldn't tear each other down. It's like, yeah, but we shouldn't also lie about our past.

[Brent]

Right. The problem is, you know, most of the haters don't know the story. Yeah, like they don't. They, they know just enough to know this. Like the, the wave tops of it be dangerous. And if they took the time to, to find out, they'd be like, oh, I didn't know it was that bad. Never mind. You. Never mind. You guys are good, dude.

[Ethan Nagel]

And I've ran into guys, one of those at film school and like right away it wreaked. I have. And like he was like, hey man, you know Marsock back in 2004. And I was like, immediately I'm like, MARSOC didn't exist in 2000. I was like, that was like, they were formed up in 2006, you know, and it's like, yeah, it was. Yeah. And like right away and he could, he could tell I caught him and I was, he's like, oh. And he didn't talk to me for the rest of the film shoot. It was, it was a student film, whatever. Guy was kind of weird, but like, you know, but I'm saying it's like I didn't call him out because it's immediately he was like, oh, shit. Civilians don't know the difference. You could tell my wife you are a door gunner on the space station and she'll believe, you know, like she doesn't know the difference. And why should they? You know, they're. And they support us like unequivocally all the time, which is great. And I understand why we didn't say stuff before, but I understand now. I think it's enough time has gone by where, you know, some guys are still in the operations, are still in the teams like doing the real shit. And, and you know, the social media realm is a whole nother animal in itself. But it's like, dude, stop. I don't know. Be silent. I get it. You got to get out there. You gotta put yourself out there. It's hard for me to do this. Like, it took me 10 years to even get this far.

[Brent]

There's nothing wrong with telling your story. Yeah, just tell the truth.

[Ethan Nagel]

Exactly. Just tell the truth. You know, and I say it all the time. I was like, ah, you know, I was a fat kid.

[Drew]

I got lucky.

[Ethan Nagel]

I got, you know, Four years in, it's just tell the truth and you can be a signed professional, be humble, but also still tell your story, you know, and like I said, he was an MMA fighter, special force. That alone in itself is. Is a. Is a cool thing.

[Tyler]

You know, at 14:20, he apologized. He talks about apologizing to Travis, but what he says is, I talk bad about him in the book. Right. If I wrote a book and I trashed you, Brent, it would be acceptable for me to say, I talk on Brent. I probably shouldn't have done that, dude. I'm sorry. But what he fails to say is, is that he made up a fabricated story about sizing him up and tearing him down and then put it in his book and kind of made Travis look like the character that he created as Travis look like a.

[Brent]

Right.

[Tyler]

So. And he didn't apologize for that.

[Brent]

Right. And it didn't. The worst part, it didn't even happen.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You lied about dressing down your Ground Force commander. Yeah. The apology shouldn't be, I'm sorry I spoke to you that way. The apology is, I'm sorry I lied about something that. That never even happened. I never even have the balls to tell you to your face, but I wrote it down in the book like it happened.

[Tyler]

And that at 1450, he talks about being asked. They're saying like, oh, yeah, Is it like when you get knocked out and you get KO'd, and then everybody asks you what happened and you're like, dude, I don't know. And Tim, Kenny, like, yes, yes.

[Brent]

The problem is looking for an out.

[Tyler]

If I get knocked the fuck out and you ask me what happened, I'm going to tell you. I. But you asked me. I didn't go write a book about it. Right. So if I'm going to sit here and say, if you're asking me, I'll tell you what I know, but there's no guarantees. That's different than me telling you. Let me tell you this story.

[Brent]

Or you know what you could have done? You could have asked the people in your corner, hey, what happened while I was knocked out and woozy? And then they'd fill you in. So you know what Tim could have done? Called any of his teammates, but he didn't call any of his teammates asking for verification of the stories because he. There's no reason to call a teammate just to say, you good with this lie? Because they're not good with that lie. He didn't call a single teammate to verify a story.

[Tyler]

So at the end, it's only, I think it's probably 10 to 15 minutes long of the actual Tim Kennedy interview. Tim goes in the narcissistic fashion that he is. He goes, well, I got to go do bjj. And ended it. As soon as he got done telling his story, there was no more talking. There was no more. It was an abrupt. I got to leave.

[Brent]

He is trying his best to gather the. The people in this realm that don't know the story, to let him. To let him speak his. His twisted narrative of it and hope that that eventually gains enough traction. But did you go to the comment section of it?

[Ethan Nagel]

No.

[Brent]

Oh, it's a brutal. Like, you go to the comment section of it. Nobody. Obviously, their. Their viewer base is much different than ours, so you would think that maybe, like, that MMA viewer base would. Would be a little bit more lenient on them, but they are crushing them. And I'm sure. What's the name of that podcast?

[Tyler]

The Overdogs.

[Brent]

The Overdogs podcast is looking at their comment section right now going, did we get something wrong here? Or.

[Tyler]

They're marketing geniuses and they knew this was going to happen the whole time.

[Brent]

Oh, that's.

[Tyler]

They're like, you know what's going to talk about us on their squadcast and.

[Brent]

Put us on their thumbnail, maybe.

[Ethan Nagel]

Holy.

[Tyler]

We'll reach out. I lost the super chat.

[Drew]

All right, Polyside Dam says Ethan. Conspiracy theories. Let's go.

[Ethan Nagel]

Okay. I don't know if that's my buddies or if that's just somebody. Yeah. Thank you. Whoever said that. I don't know if that's Greaves or.

[Drew]

Charlie Wesley Pruitt, man. Thanks for the love. Once again, that's not his.

[Brent]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Ethan Nagel]

I don't even work here, but thank you. That's a gangster.

[Brent]

You guys have no idea how. How much that. That helps us out. You really don't. Yeah.

[Drew]

And that's not his first. He says, hey, guys, when's the. The. The next TK Roast?

[Tyler]

People are asking is.

[Brent]

I know.

[Tyler]

Other than right now.

[Drew]

People are asking.

[Brent]

I know.

[Ethan Nagel]

Is there much more? I don't know.

[Drew]

There's a whole book.

[Ethan Nagel]

I just know surface level.

[Brent]

We only. We only covered two chapters of this book. Yeah. Really? A chapter and a half, but it is the most egregious. But there's plenty left to cover. In fact, if you got to run after this, Tyler, after the podcast. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes I gotta be up at 3:30. Yeah, give me 10 minutes and we'll talk about that.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Oh, I gotta upload this to the audio platform, so I'll be here about.

[Brent]

A half hour, so I don't. So the answer is I gotta hang out.

[Tyler]

Our boys that showed up to the.

[Brent]

Studio today, I don't know. There's. There's things in the works and. And I gotta figure it out.

[Ethan Nagel]

Okay. Sorry.

[Brent]

That wasn't a better answer. But it is an answer. It's what I got right now.

[Tyler]

Oh, juicy.

[Drew]

All right, I'm having to kick middle schoolers out of the chat. Let's see. Tim Kennedy's conscience is back in. It's always disappointing when a liar's pants don't actually catch on fire.

[Tyler]

That is a little disappointing at the ACU. Flame retardants.

[Drew]

Evan Justin, would you rather be TK's publicist and you have to go along with everything or be a jump refusal in the door in front of all your teammates?

[Tyler]

Oh, man, that's rough.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, his publicist is a civilian, though. They might not even know.

[Tyler]

I don't think he has one because.

[Ethan Nagel]

He'S not doing anything that would lead.

[Tyler]

Me to believe he's taking advice from a publicist.

[Brent]

Right. And if he is, he's a fire that publicist immediately.

[Drew]

I. I think I. If I'm not mistaken, that's the end of those super chats. If I'm not mistaken.

[Ethan Nagel]

25 bucks.

[Tyler]

I wasn't trying to lie. I'm just allergic to the truth. I wasn't trying to be gay. The PP just fell in my hands. Roja just donated 20 bucks. M. Fallow 79 help former USMC 20 year Leo. I came on the job fighting cancer. GoFundMe. Search Steve Lyles pick is him in uniform. All right, I'm going to dissect that because these super chats are very hard to type and I've heard that help a former Marine. A 20 year Leo. I came on the job fighting cancer. Maybe he came on the job finding. I don't know. GoFundMe though. Search Steve Lyles pick us him in uniform. Ryan Ashworth. A hundred dollars.

[Brent]

Wow.

[Tyler]

TK saved me from a flying squirrel and 29 palms.

[Brent]

I believe that that's. Yeah, that probably happened.

[Drew]

All right, I got it.

[Brent]

It's in his next book. All right.

[Drew]

Mallow 79 help former United States Marine Corps 20 year Leo. I came on job with fighting cancer. GoFundMe. Search Steve Lyle's pick is him in uniform.

[Brent]

All right, there you go. It was important enough to read twice.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, did I?

[Brent]

It was my bad. Yeah, well, yeah, I'll read that twice.

[Drew]

Thank you, Joe, for the gift. Tim Kennedy's conscience. 12 guys is this.

[Brent]

Keep going.

[Drew]

12 guys will have different stories when they leave the bath house at the same time. Oh, man.

[Brent]

Those are 12 different missions, though.

[Tyler]

Rue197 says.

[Brent]

Hey.

[Tyler]

Spent. Spent. And Skyler Respect from the UK, ex Royal Engineer, sapper in quotation marks. Now a paramedic. We call people who lie about their service Walter Middies in the uk. It's genuinely embarrassing to watch them fluff their egos with lies. Amen, brother.

[Ethan Nagel]

Walter Middies, UK's dude, they don't even have like, purple hearts.

[Brent]

They don't?

[Ethan Nagel]

No. There's no designation If I'm about 99. Correct.

[Brent]

Check us on that shirt. Send us back a message. If there's no purple hearts, they'll tell us about 15.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, about 15 seconds. I'm pretty sure there's like, no identifying, if you like. I think the US is one of the few countries that has like a medal for getting wounded.

[Tyler]

And we got a bunch of, bunch of cheap chats. Even my wife understands what Thursday night means. Just got off work. Just got off working and always glad to catch the live. Thanks, brother. We got another 100 super chat from John Inman. Brent, hopefully one day I can come hang out. We're gonna fight over your backhand comment about my Hometown, El Paso. Fourth generation, born and raised, white, 6, 5, 250 pounds. Not common for an El Paso.

[Brent]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Tyler]

And after I regain consciousness, I want to tell you your Ironsight pod. Ironsight pod was fire.

[Brent]

Oh, man, I appreciate that. I had a good time talking to Scott on, on that podcast. I hope you do get to come out here and, and after the show, we'll, we'll, we'll swap stories over cigars, and I can, I can tell you plenty of El Paso stories that I'm, I'm sure you're, you're well aware of. They'll. They'll hit, they'll hit home to you. No pun intended.

[Drew]

John Todd says, Brent, just remember Tim Kennedy used the same pen you use on the Thursday night lives for his journal, the one with disappearing.

[Tyler]

Victor says, not trying to change the subject here, but do you have any new info on Mike Glover being arrested again?

[Brent]

Oh, you know what? Okay, let's. Let's talk about that for a second. I know Valhalla covered it. I. This, this is a tough subject, to be honest with you. I, I knew that had happened a couple weeks ago, and I didn't want to like to break the story, you know, and be like oh, you know, look. Look what dirt we have on a guy. Yeah. But at the, you know, the other part of that is it happened now. Doesn't mean that we have to say he's guilty.

[Tyler]

But the charges are there.

[Brent]

Like, the charges are there. And Tyler, this is like, this is. This is a. A question for you. Like, really, like real time. Us. Us figuring it out. And I probably should have talk to you about. I just. I. I forgot about it.

[Tyler]

I'm ready.

[Brent]

If this was two weeks ago and I came with to you that information, I was like, hey, man, I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to tear this guy down. Like, it hasn't hit the news yet. Do we cover this for journalistic integrity or no one else has covered it. Do we wait to see, like, the details about it? Like, what, What. What should we do when things like that come up? What's your.

[Tyler]

I would have told you. Absolutely not. We're not touching it because Drag. Unless it was. Did you see Mike Glover got convicted? Or. I know Mike Glover just got convicted today. We'll cover that. But dragging somebody's name through the mud over. I'm telling you right now, I highly. I'm gonna say it, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll. I'll. I'll fess up to it when it happens. I highly doubt Mike Glover abused his children. I think this is all part of that fucking bullshit thing he's got going on with his ex wife. And it's a child custody issue. And that's. I go to him all the time. I've never arrested somebody for it, but, oh, he abuses the kids.

[Ethan Nagel]

He abuses the kids.

[Tyler]

You know, he spanked them or, you know, Mike Glover probably made him survive in the field for four hours. You know, I don't know. That might be something that he does, but, you know, I highly doubt it's actual child abuse where a child is a victim of a crime.

[Brent]

And we sat on the sideline on the first one with domestic violence, and we were right to do so. I say we sat on the sideline. Like, we didn't. We didn't say, oh, Mike Glover should have done that, because guess what? Guess what ended up happening. We said, hey, that we'll give them the same leniency that we give cops, which is, let's wait and see what happens. And what happened on the first one is she was crazy. Her broken wrist, if I remember right, came from, like, her falling off of a dirt bike a couple Weeks before she claimed that happened like during it. I'm not saying what Mike did everything, you know, that night was, you know, was, was above board. But the story wasn't what she said. And so now I will give him the same grace again to say it sucks. It always sucks when it happens twice. Like, where there's smoke, there's fire. I will say that. But at the end of the day, let's wait and let's see what actually happens here.

[Tyler]

And you don't want. Well, I don't. And also, like, it's where you said this smoke, there's fire, there's something going on. And it's really, it's really sad. And watching a man lose his family forever. Like, not saying like he can't see his kids, but that family dynamic's gone forever.

[Brent]

And I believe this one is a charge against an ex of his ex wife. And, and the first one was with his, his girlfriend. Okay, so they're actually two different. It's not like the same crazy girl making allegations. It's two obviously bad allegations happening from two different prior girls in his life. So I guess I'll say this, Mike, you got really bad taste in women, man. Can I. I guess we'll go on the record for that.

[Ethan Nagel]

I was, I was, I. I worked with them, but I interviewed Mike and then worked him a few times when I was at Black Rifle and did his presents video. And you know, he always seems prepared on stuff. But it, you know, I think just like, you know, you've been in 20 years and, and we all know guys that did 20 years and they're phenomenal. And they, you know, some people may not like him or whatever, how he was or whatever, but that doesn't really matter, you know. You know, people have their own personalities. But like sometimes, man, women just, if you got, you can just have a, you know, I knew a bunch of guys that just like have a bad taste in women or they, they love psychos, you know, they stick their dick in crazy and it's just pick winners.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

And you're just like, you know, and I think, you know, everyone looks at Mike, he's prepared, he's a green beer. He did all this. And it's like, there's always one weakness. There's always something.

[Tyler]

We're not perfect.

[Ethan Nagel]

We're not perfect. You know. How many marriages do you guys know that, Mar? I know guys that get married five times. You know, like, it's, it's kind of the, I don't know, it's almost goes with the job, you know, you, like. It's like, oh, you do all this stuff. But then it's like their. Their ex girlfriends or wives are like, just out of the batshit crazy.

[Brent]

I'll say this don't. I do mean this. Don't punish Fieldcraft Survival over some things that Mike Glover did. He's no longer a part of it. Fieldcraft Survival has employees and families that they support. And the new guy that took over it, according to Valhalla, who knows him personally, like, that's. He's a really good dude. So let's not. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Ethan Nagel]

Exactly.

[Brent]

You know, he's completely away from it. There's a new guy in charge, and.

[Ethan Nagel]

He sat down to it.

[Brent]

He.

[Ethan Nagel]

He saw it coming too. I mean, he was like, stepping back. You tell. He's got to deal with it. It sucks. I mean, like, you know, when you're that big of an influencer.

[Tyler]

I think he own it, though.

[Ethan Nagel]

I think maybe part of. I don't know, did he sell it off or is he.

[Brent]

I'll have to look into that.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I could own everything and still make money and be like, you know what? I'm stepping away.

[Brent]

Like, I'll find out, man.

[Tyler]

Wwe.

[Ethan Nagel]

But it's just like. But at the end of the day, though, it does suck. You're just like, at least he's backing out. Like, hey, I gotta. I gotta take care of some. And sometimes, like I said, that's just. In our community, that's. I mean, I don't know how many times I've seen stories like Mike's, but, like, worse, you know? I mean, you see, he's probably waiting.

[Tyler]

For TK to have another episode. Drop. Come on, drop another one. Bama. Don don 04 respect and support from Birmingham, Alabama. Love the show. Rip to TK and his story of BS.

[Brent]

Yep.

[Tyler]

Brett. Brett.

[Brent]

Thank you.

[Tyler]

Just got out. Just got.

[Brent]

Just out of curiosity.

[Tyler]

Just out of curiosity. I can read. If you could go back and change one thing from the war, what would it be? Regardless if you were directly involved at the time.

[Brent]

If there was one thing I could change. Ida moved left about half a second before I got shot. And that. That would have been. That have been a better night for me.

[Tyler]

Jacob Miller Post ball surgery and my scans are showing no cancer. My ball was the size of a hand grenade. You think TK would have wanted to throw it? Thanks for the information, bro, but thank you for the donation. Jacob. That's awesome.

[Brent]

I believe he would have or no no, he wouldn't have. He would have. He would have asked Travis, his ground force commander, if he could throw it, because that's the. That's the reality of it.

[Tyler]

You would have thrown your testicle into a family of three and.

[Drew]

All right. Oh, we missed a plight design. So 20 bucks. Would you rather be TK's publisher or the spouse of one of the guys at Stuttgart who protested the sec Def showing up on base?

[Brent]

What an idiot. What an idiot. Who the. Whoever is at Stugart protesting dozen family members.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Tyler]

Raven 2, 3. When deployed. What allies have the best cammies? Tyler, what police department have the best uniforms? Anybody wearing black?

[Ethan Nagel]

Really?

[Brent]

That's a question. I never really liked the. The Aussies camouflage. It always looked like a rotten banana to me.

[Ethan Nagel]

The British were kind of cool.

[Brent]

The. The British were kind of cool. I don't. Yeah, it's.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

So this is what's always funny about, like, about camouflage and, and I think everyone have the same opinion on this. When I first saw multi cams, I was like, these kind of look like a foreign uniform. Like, if it's not your uniform, you used to. They just look. They look weird. Every new uniform looks like a foreign uniform and looks weird. So I don't think I've ever seen a foreign uniform be like, that's cool. They just look weird to me because. Because. Because they're not ours.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, there was some really cool. In my first contract, they were trying to field a new. The new uniform for the army. So I went to about 13 different FOBs, like within like three months, just FOB hopping. And they were.

[Brent]

They were hop. Happen.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, they were. They were handing out uniforms to different units and testing them. And there's some really cool ones. They like, they had like ACU with brown in it. And then they had multi cam, but with different colors. And then they would. So There was like 10 different uniforms I remember seeing that were just all experimental going into the field. And obviously none of them came out of it, but it was just more money for the government to spend.

[Brent]

But we're gonna have one of my former unit member friends on Josh, who is a high up guy, and cry right now. And the. The Caleb cry. I've known Caleb cry for years. When the military went to the multi cam pattern, they had to pay cry precision royalties to use that design.

[Tyler]

Did they know at the time?

[Brent]

Oh, they knew. They knew and they paid for a long time. And Caleb used to get these, like, harassing emails from the army, basically saying, like, give up your Trademark. Like, what you're doing is wrong. We're, like, trying to. Like, this is. That's. He owns. He owns the pattern. I'm sorry. So the current went with the pattern?

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent]

Now, at some point. I'm not. I'm not a trademark or. Or copyright expert. I do know at some point it. It expires. I think you only get it for, like. I think it's shorter math. It's like four or five years.

[Ethan Nagel]

It expires 10.

[Brent]

10. All right. And so it's probably expired by now. But they made out like bandits by not doing anything other than collecting royalties.

[Ethan Nagel]

But then they tried them over, though, and that was the whole thing.

[Brent]

Right. And it's. And it's not just the uniform. It's the plate carrier. It's. It's the magazine pouch, every. It's the hat. Everything with that pattern on it. Cry gets a.

[Tyler]

Our government tried stealing from somebody, and they said, nope, nope.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yep, Marine Corps is cheap. They just go tan with everything.

[Tyler]

Ryan Ashworth said $50 enemy marksmanship award. Thank you, brother. All right. Sorry. Autocorrect. Brent, not Brett. No, Calm.

[Ethan Nagel]

Brett.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

What?

[Tyler]

Bring on Jimmy Watson. Marine. Blackwater seal.

[Brent]

Is that Marine? Blackwater Seal.

[Tyler]

That sounds.

[Brent]

He's all of those.

[Ethan Nagel]

I got a guy coming out that's a Marine and then went seals. He never knocked blackwater, though.

[Tyler]

Rick Howell. Rick, back from the road, watching the show with the wife. Love the content as always. We're about to roll his commercial here in a minute. Rolling through these super chats, we got another 201 from Wesley Pruitt. Again, Mike Lover, please see the hot Crazy Curve videos asap. John Todd. Guys, what's your WWE wrestling finishing move of choice? The Stone Cold Stunner. There's no other one.

[Brent]

The Atomic Leg by Hulk Hogan, which is the craziest one.

[Tyler]

You watch it. You're like.

[Brent]

That clearly has.

[Ethan Nagel]

What year were you born? What year?

[Brent]

1980.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, you're way ahead of me then. Okay. I was. I was pretty young for I was in 1987.

[Tyler]

So what's the meaning behind the JV team for life phase?

[Brent]

That's a good question. I don't remember.

[Tyler]

Oh, it's Mike Glover.

[Brent]

It. Yeah, absolutely. It's. Ironically enough, it's Mike Glover is the origin, because I believe he was on either police post, like, podcast. Was he on Joe Rogan when he said that?

[Tyler]

He said he was talking. It was out of context.

[Brent]

Kind of. Yeah. Completely out of context.

[Tyler]

He called police officers and SWAT teams JV for lack. He said that you know, they're like JV compared to the people that he's used to working with. And it went wildfire, you know, so. But yeah, and then we had somebody. Oh, and I will say this. I had seen sound bites of podcasts where like the Joe Rogan experience or good friends, they're like, you know, we're bad friends or whatever the fuck. It's a female standing. It's a sound bite and it's meant to draw. You hear it, you know what's coming. And so someone told me to do that. So we just had a woman record JV team for life.

[Brent]

It was Sarah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yep. Drew you back on.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Okay. Get it.

[Drew]

Been on. James Smith.

[Brent]

Been on.

[Drew]

Tyler, was your debt adversely affected by last week's massive donut recall?

[Tyler]

So department department, Was there a massive donut recall? Oh, yeah, there was.

[Drew]

I. I read debt there and you know what? I think my chat's a little funnier.

[Tyler]

I do not know if there was a massive donut recall, but yes, I'm sure all the fat bodies that I work with were upset. That was funny.

[Drew]

Scott Wickstrom, thank you for the love, man.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, thank you.

[Drew]

Change Jim Lewis's Change name of DoD back to the war.

[Brent]

The War Department.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

If we can recall the. The Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, we can do that.

[Ethan Nagel]

Ok.

[Brent]

I'm serious about that.

[Tyler]

I wonder if that would come on our show.

[Brent]

I'm pretty sure he's pretty busy right now.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Oh, that was something else. I saw a video of him, like, he showed up to a base and he. And he did P.T.

[Tyler]

That'S what I'm saying.

[Brent]

He did P.T. with the boys and then they showed a follow up of that turd of a sec Def before him, Austin, Absolute turd. And he showed up with like three face masks on.

[Ethan Nagel]

Hey, get out of here.

[Tyler]

That's what I'm saying. He wants to be for the boys. This show is for the boys.

[Ethan Nagel]

What do you. I think this is a deep dive. This is my own personal thing. Apparently he has a Silver Star, Lloyd Austin.

[Brent]

No, he does. I know he does.

[Ethan Nagel]

For what, though?

[Brent]

Because that's what's even crazier. I'm glad you brought that up because.

[Ethan Nagel]

I. I read that. I looked at it because I was like, why the. I was like, what the does it.

[Brent]

Do you want to be sure?

[Ethan Nagel]

I'll do one thing.

[Brent]

He has. He has a Silver Star for service.

[Ethan Nagel]

No, that's what it is. No way.

[Brent]

Look it up.

[Ethan Nagel]

No.

[Brent]

Got it. As a commander in the talk Being basically brave in the talk while his boys are outside. And he got put in for a silver Star. Yes. That is a.

[Ethan Nagel]

Okay, I might go on a rampage with that one.

[Brent]

You absolutely should. You absolutely should.

[Ethan Nagel]

I don't like that at all.

[Brent]

I forgot how mad. I forgot how mad I was at that. Because remember, I saw that, I was like, no way this guy has a silver star. I had to look it up.

[Ethan Nagel]

All right, finally, Admin Silver. I don't think that was a thing.

[Brent]

Keep going while I look this up.

[Drew]

Finally, a guy who gets the names right. Tess says Burton Skyler, you should have Dr. David Walton from TF Voodoo on as a guest.

[Tyler]

I don't know who that is.

[Brent]

Who is who?

[Tyler]

That is Brent.

[Drew]

TF Voodoo.

[Tyler]

Brent's gonna write it down in his book of names that he never looks at again.

[Brent]

I do.

[Drew]

Jay Fredericks, when will y'all be available to interview the other Blackhawk unit from Somalia?

[Ethan Nagel]

The Somalians?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

What's the other.

[Drew]

The other Blackhawks?

[Brent]

Somalian Air Brigade.

[Drew]

The one that didn't crash.

[Brent]

You know.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we'd love to.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I. I know Mike Durant does podcasts. Right.

[Brent]

I.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, there is. What's his name? He worked with Black Rifle a lot. He was a part of it. He's older. He's former unit.

[Brent]

Works the Black Rifle a lot.

[Ethan Nagel]

No, he. No. Well, he went on there a lot, but he has his own. He's been around on YouTube for like a while. Not. What's his name. I can see his face. I don't.

[Tyler]

Have you guys watched the Blackhawk down documentary on.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, I was about to bring that up.

[Brent]

I've been meaning to watch. It's on like, it's. I almost watching it last night, but it was 11 o'clock.

[Tyler]

I want to dedicate time to it.

[Brent]

And it's a. And it's a three part series. So I didn't watch it last night because I was like. Because I will watch all three of all night.

[Ethan Nagel]

Apparently they interview Somalis that were on the ground, like, fighting. It's supposed to be like a overall. Yeah. And that's what my buddy said. So I was like, oh, dude, that sounds amazing.

[Tyler]

Who's the. Who's the ranger? That is a rock star now. He's been in our DMs before. Does anybody know who that is?

[Brent]

Who is it?

[Tyler]

He was in our DMs once. He wasn't happy with something that we said.

[Brent]

Tell him to take a. Take a number.

[Tyler]

But he's like a rock star now. He's A musician. But he was there on Gothic Serpent.

[Brent]

Okay. I do know there's a. A unit guy that. That started a rock band. Like he's in Tampa.

[Tyler]

Maybe that too. What? Why is he on the show?

[Drew]

So Vanessa says she knows who the voodoo guy is. TF Voodoo. Okay, and real quick, since we're halfway through, there's a lot of folks that come in late. Let's go ahead and introduce our guest one more time so people know who this man is.

[Tyler]

Go for it.

[Ethan Nagel]

I'm Ethan Nagel.

[Tyler]

Or.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, sorry.

[Brent]

Hold on. I got. We got the silver star right up. Are you ready for it? All right. Here we go. Brigadier General Austin has distinguished. Who's. Who's. Whose phone keeps ringing?

[Tyler]

Oh, it's the fridge.

[Drew]

Someone left the beer. The beer box open.

[Brent]

All right. Try to. Try to contain yourself when I get done reading this. Okay. Brigadier General Austin has distinguished himself through exceptionally gallant service as the assistant Division Commander of maneuver 3rd Infantry Division mechanized during OIF from the 20th of March to the 15th of April. General Austin continually placed himself and the division Tactical operations Center at the key point of the battle to provide command and control to the division of a fast paced and violent battle.

[Ethan Nagel]

That's not. It's a foreign event. You can't do like 20 days.

[Brent]

He. He placed himself in the supervisor role.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And it's. And it just. And it literally says for service. It's.

[Ethan Nagel]

That one definitely slipped by because I've never heard that. I've never.

[Brent]

I've never heard that.

[Ethan Nagel]

I've never heard that.

[Brent]

It's a valor medal. It's for a singular act of valor.

[Ethan Nagel]

Exactly.

[Brent]

During combat. It's not for service and it's not for a period of time. I. I forgot how matter was about that.

[Drew]

I'm sure they have ribbons for that.

[Ethan Nagel]

That's where I want to like clip this and be like Pete Hegseth. Like revoke that. Like revoke. That's insane. I will rant on that. It's insane. That pisses me off.

[Drew]

Hard stuck says, do you think anyone can be as good as Delta at cqb given the time and training? Or is it a mindset thing?

[Brent]

It's both. No one can be and no one will be.

[Drew]

Unbiased opinion here tonight. Thursday night.

[Brent]

That's just a fact.

[Drew]

Fact too. It's opinion and a fact.

[Ethan Nagel]

Goofing507.

[Drew]

Jimmy started as a Marine, went to Blackwater, then finished career as a SEAL. Worked with John McAfee as well. Insane.

[Brent]

John McAfee or John McPhee? And if it's John McPhee. Careful who you keep in your company.

[Ethan Nagel]

Drama.

[Drew]

Justin Gidhart said or gained heart. Just bought the FRCC hat you are wearing, Brent. Also got the shirt and a cigar two weeks ago. Happy to support a fellow vet man.

[Brent]

Thank you. Perfect.

[Drew]

Justin, if you know any cigar lounges, contact your local cigar lounge. We want to be in it. All right?

[Brent]

From cigar goes up on, you know, because on my hat and this. This hat smells like straight cigar, and I love it.

[Drew]

Zeta's back in 50 bucks. Hate having to leave early, but like Mike Glover, I have a psycho to see. Do another episode where Tyler reads TK's book. Shite was absolute gold. You'll get another thousand Patreon members. Drew, I'll get you to say. What is that word? How do you say that? Next week. Thanks, Zeta.

[Brent]

Zeta. Good. Good luck to you. Remember, real GS move in silence like lasagna.

[Ethan Nagel]

Ooh.

[Drew]

All right.

[Tyler]

I think I've heard that before.

[Brent]

It's a rap line. It's a rap line.

[Drew]

All right, here it is. Goons up. Got here late. Who's the cat in the middle?

[Brent]

Well, in this book that I never write in or do anything with. Let me get my disappearing ink book out. And let me tell you, in case you guys are showing up a little bit late, who is with us in the middle? Tried to drag that as long as I could find it.

[Ethan Nagel]

I was gonna say.

[Brent]

Plenty of notes. In that book. We have Ethan Nagel. Or as I call him, my name. Marine Corps 0311, Infantryman, Scout Sniper, Silver Star recipient, Purple Star recipient, three deployments. Creator, Director, cinematographer of Embed Actual, which is a series on vet tv. That's who we got with this. We just recorded an episode with us, and he has what we've already. Now you got to hear it twice. Now you got to hear it twice. He has what I believe is the best combat story we've ever heard on anti hero podcasts. And I. I don't know. I don't know if I can upload as a civilian, get your award upgraded, but I. I believe you. You weren't given the proper award. That was just. That was a bad day at work, man. It was a bad day at work, and you. You handled it like a man.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's a funny story about that. You know Dakota Meyer? He was Medal of Honor recipient, right?

[Tyler]

I'm awareness.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, we know. I know him from the platoon. Every. Once, every few years, we. We talk. And there was right after my big wedding I had in 2019, like, on Monday, I'm like, cool. Had the wedding Monday. My phone starts blowing up. Like, what the. What the is this? Like, everyone's like, hey, man, what's going on? Like, what's going on with your award? I was like, what award the you talking about? And I get a text that says, are you receiving the Medal of Honor? And I went, what the is going on? Come to find out. Meyer, Dakota Meyer went on Facebook or Instagram, and he. He had finally read my citation, which is whatever, you know, because when they submitted his Medal of Honor, my Silver Star, they were together because it was the etts, and they went up through the command. So he had read it, and then he, like, went on Facebook and blew me up. In a good way.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

You know, he goes, if I don't. He goes, if Nagel doesn't receive the Medal of Honor, I don't deserve mine. And, like, threw it out.

[Brent]

Like, he's right about that.

[Ethan Nagel]

And I was just like. So I had all these people texting me, like, are you. I was like, no, no, man, I'm not. Receipt. You know, nothing. And it was. It was.

[Brent]

It was.

[Ethan Nagel]

And I called him. I was like, hey, man, I appreciate it, you know? And he's like, oh, my God. I'd never read it. And I was like, it's okay, man. Like, you know, it's. It's.

[Brent]

It's.

[Ethan Nagel]

You know, and I appreciate. We talk for every few years, we get on the phone and talk.

[Brent]

Tell me what you guys think about this. The. You know, both you.

[Tyler]

As. As.

[Brent]

As veterans. Something that kind of pisses me off at times is, how do I say this without being controversial and being a short.

[Tyler]

You say exactly how you want to.

[Brent]

Say it in the gwat. Not every Medal of Honor awardee deserves to be a Medal of Honor awardee. If you'd have taken that same action. I'm not. I'm not saying that they're fake. I'm not saying that they didn't do anything valorous. Don't take out of context. Let me. Let me get it all out before.

[Tyler]

I'm not putting that part in there.

[Brent]

Okay, but if they'd have done that same thing in Vietnam or World War II, they'd just be BSMs with a V. There are. When you go look at. Because I started looking up. I want. I want to do. We haven't done a history episode in a while, so I started doing some loose research on Medal of Honor winners. And when you research Medal of Honor winners of World War II, Vietnam, Korean War, you Read those write ups like, holy shit, these guys were amazing men. And when you get to the G. What? There's some amazing Medal of Honor winners in the G. What? And there's some guys are like, you don't, like you don't fit the same narrative of what it took to be a Medal of Honor winner. And I believe it became political at some point. And, and when one service got it, the next service is like, well, find someone.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And it's not on. And I'm not knocking the medal of honor 1. They don't put themselves in for the medal. You know what I mean? So it's not like, you know, they, they wrote a lie and they wrote a book like Tim Kennedy. They have no control over this. They're just in for the ride.

[Ethan Nagel]

And, and what do you, what do.

[Brent]

You, do you think what I said is, is, is valid? You're like, well, hold on. Yes. Yeah, you have a point.

[Ethan Nagel]

But yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean like you look at old metal of honor, it's insane. Like World War II, they killed like a company of like guys like overrunning. I mean it's in, it's wild. Like and I think, I think it's in the context of time when they start doing like some of the guys that have Medal of Honors definitely in this than The G, what 100. I agree there's obviously some question stuff. There's a lot of politics involved. I do agree with that. And I was in and I remember and I don't know if you remember this, but I remember there was a congressional inquiry on why there was no Medal of Honor recipients in the G. What? Because Meyer was the first one out of the Marine Corps in eight years to receive from the Marine Corps. And the Marine Corps had submitted, but they kept getting downgraded. And I in that on that aspect, I believe it was politics from the Marine Corps because it shifted from office. I hate to say this because I got the friends that officers, officers did not want to see lower enlisted receiving awards that. Sorry, that did not want to see lower enlisted receiving awards they were not getting. And I saw that firsthand. You still see it firsthand. Whereas in Vietnam and World War II, all Medal of Honor recipients are like staff sergeant below or sergeant or corporal or.

[Brent]

Because that's who's on the front line.

[Ethan Nagel]

Exactly. That's who's fighting. So I mean you look at battle Fallujah and there's a bunch of guys that were nominated for medals honor that deserve it. But then they would get downgraded to Navy or even Silver Stars, or they were just denied. They. I thought my Silver Star was denied in generalities because I didn't. I didn't receive it. So I was like, all right, well, it's the Marine Corps. They said me like, whatever, and it's fine. Whatever. I didn't put it in. I did what I did, and I moved on. But then my dad, because my team leader said he had submitted it. My dad goes, that I'm going to try to see what happens. My dad went to our congressman in Minnesota. They found it in a week, and it was sitting on someone's desk. It had stopped. No way. Yeah. So when Meyer. I knew. I knew because Meyer had called me, and it was a big deal because Meyer was getting nominated. He was about to get it. And so he called me in the summer of 2010, right? And he goes, my Medal of Honor and your Silver Star are together going up the ranks right now. And I was like, okay, cool, man. Thanks for having. And then he told me what happened because I was like, what the fuck happened out there? You know, like, what? And he just. He broke down. He told me everything, and I was like, okay. And then nothing happened. He gets his Medal of Honor. I was like, awesome.

[Tyler]

Cool.

[Ethan Nagel]

Nothing. But it was an admin thing. But then at the. But then again, to your point, I've had a few people come up to me, even generals, and like, why is this not a Navy Cross?

[Brent]

Right, Exactly.

[Ethan Nagel]

I don't want to be like, oh, I need something bigger. But it was.

[Brent]

I know, I know. That's why someone has to do it for you, because you won't do it.

[Ethan Nagel]

What I'm saying is, like, it feels weird, you know, to even. You know, it feels weird. It just feels weird. But I agree, it. I think politics 100 play for the G WAT because I don't think they want. I hate to say it. I don't think commanders are like, well, you know what they're doing? They do that. Oh, they're doing their job.

[Brent]

They're doing their job.

[Ethan Nagel]

They don't need a metal. They don't need silver. They don't even Bronze Stars with these or AMs. Like, we knew guys that had done crazy, and they gave them, like, a certificate of appreciation. All right, well, so that's my take.

[Brent]

You know, I wasn't going to, but. But. But now I am. I'm gonna say it so you could say, like, who, Brent? There's sure there's two sides of the story, but let's just talk about Brit Slabinski. Real quick, Roberts Ridge. The guy got a Medal of Honor for lying about whether Chapman was alive or dead. He said he went and checked on him, never did. And then he. And then he retreated from the enemy. And I'm not saying that he shouldn't have done that because they were in a bad position, but the facts are he lied about checking on a teammate, left him up there for dead, and then. And then retreated off the mountain. Tell me how that's Medal of Honor winner. A Medal of Honor winner worthy. That is the facts of it. Like you can. You can. And I know there's. There's a different side of that argument, but what. What I'm saying is not necessarily wrong.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, in Chapman, there's a whole fight with Chapman. Finally received it. But it was like, why was the Navy trying to bury that? Why is Chapman on video while they boot scoot? And you see Chapman get. I mean, it's both. I. I get chills watching that video.

[Brent]

And it's.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's. I mean, that is a Medal of Honor. That was. He stormed the. The bunker. He was hit. He kept going, like, alone. You know what I mean? Like, that's.

[Brent]

That's a medal.

[Ethan Nagel]

That's a Medal of Honor. And they fought.

[Brent]

He faced the enemy. Yeah, he faced the enemy and gave up his life protecting another bird coming in. That's metal.

[Ethan Nagel]

Honor gives me chills. He saw the Rangers coming in. He's like, I have to not to do this.

[Brent]

Not doing what Slab did again, I'm not saying anything, you guys. I'm not saying anything. That decision that he made was wrong. Lying about it was wrong, but what he did was not Medal of Honor worthy, in my humble opinion.

[Tyler]

We got to move on. We gotta move on.

[Brent]

We.

[Tyler]

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[Tyler]

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[Brent]

Did you say his name right?

[Tyler]

Huberty.

[Brent]

I'm not Huberty.

[Ethan Nagel]

But.

[Brent]

But inconsistency. I feel like you should screw up his name.

[Tyler]

Bert.

[Brent]

Hubert.

[Tyler]

Congratulations, bro. Thanks again for being a Patreon member. And then we will announce the new Patreon for next week on Monday.

[Brent]

Congrats, Bert. Puberty.

[Drew]

Nailed it.

[Brent]

Thank you.

[Tyler]

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[Drew]

No, I was. I was talking. It's working.

[Brent]

Way to keep cool, Drew.

[Tyler]

All right, we're gonna hit these super chats. Kane, Corso, Question for each of you. What's the best example your dad set for you? My dad told me when I was a very young kid, life is not fair. And that stuck with me ever since. If you think that life's going to be fair for you, it's not. God has a plan for you. So adapt and overcome.

[Brent]

Work hard and shut up. No one cares.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, led by example. They just worked hard.

[Brent]

Yeah. Led by example.

[Ethan Nagel]

They were hearing both my parents. Awesome. They're together for 40, 40 some years. Worked hard, work their asses off by example.

[Drew]

My. My dad taught me women. You can't live with them, you can't shoot them. That's what he taught me.

[Brent]

My dad used to say that all the time.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yep.

[Brent]

Our dad.

[Tyler]

Our dad. Raven two, three. Y'all heard from Fort Liberty? Getting his name changed for Bragg? Yep, we.

[Brent]

We talked over it.

[Tyler]

Plight Designs. Ethan, I gotta know, did you ever get the silver bullet? Also, do you have any funny field stories?

[Ethan Nagel]

No. Luckily, I never got the. I almost. I almost went down in sniper school. I managed to get to the. To the water truck before I passed out. I was in a ghillie suit at a.

[Brent]

Tell them what the silver bullet is.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, Silver bullet is where they stick a s bullet in your ass for temperature.

[Tyler]

Know what's funny is that they would threaten you not to. What do you call that? When you overheat? Become a heat cat.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And they would say, like, they would threaten you, like, if you fall out, we're going to shove something up your ass.

[Ethan Nagel]

And I was like, that's it. And Corman love doing it. They just like, they have this Corman love doing it.

[Brent]

Marines love receiving it.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

I was like, I did not get it.

[Brent]

Thank God.

[Ethan Nagel]

I was close, you know?

[Tyler]

So the PC antivirus guy, John McPhee McAfee.

[Brent]

I was way off.

[Ethan Nagel]

He's got stories with him. That dude was a wild boy before he died.

[Brent]

Threw a straight bullet at A Shrek for no reason.

[Tyler]

Well, not for no reason, but if you guys are able to deploy drones like they do in Ukraine and the Middle east, how do you think ISIS Taliban would have reacted?

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, we would have them up.

[Brent]

I hate. It's a little bit different. We, it's, it was a much different war. We didn't need them as much as, as they do. We, we took care of business and we were able to. I wouldn't, I'm not saying it wouldn't help, but we were able to take care of business without that. And I don't think Ukraine could take care of business without them.

[Ethan Nagel]

No, no, no. Well, the technology was just different back then. If you were like, we're gonna give you technology. We did back in the 2000s. I've been into drones since about 2016.

[Brent]

And we cover this on the recorded episode, by the way. We do talk about that in detail.

[Ethan Nagel]

There was a point where I thought I was going back to Afghanistan in 2019 with the Guard and I was like, I was excited because I was like, I'm going to bring a Mavic thermal.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

And I was like, this is a game changer. This is a game changer. But we didn't, we end up going, we end up going to Kuwait. But, but some guys were using it in the Army, I believe. And then the Army DOD came. I was like, don't use Mavics because they're Chinese made.

[Tyler]

Same thing happened with us.

[Ethan Nagel]

Use them.

[Tyler]

And law enforcement. Well, law enforcement, it's because you have.

[Brent]

To hook it up to the computer and it gave all that geo data to the Chinese.

[Ethan Nagel]

But if you're on patrol and you're just like a regular infantry, I mean, to throw one of those up and they're so easy to use.

[Brent]

But now there's, there's so many, there's so many other companies that you can, you don't have to use DJI anymore. But for a while there, they, they.

[Ethan Nagel]

Were the only game.

[Brent]

They're the only game in town. Legitimate game in town. What else we got?

[Drew]

Drew J. Frederick says there was two Blackhawk units in Somalia. Nine 101 Aviation had two Blackhawks shot down prior to October 3rd. Oh, two books about them will be coming out this summer.

[Brent]

Oh, I can't wait. I, Yeah, I didn't know that either.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, the Marines were there before the, the army got there.

[Brent]

No, they weren't. No, they weren't. Brits. They weren't doing anything.

[Drew]

Brit Camaro says, I've actually know. They're like, we're slaying dudes.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. One guy was like. He was like, oh, my God, you're getting sniper kills left and right. I've never heard that about big news.

[Drew]

Prince comes out, says, drew, your last name is no longer Tucker. It's now Peacock. So he's either talking about my hair or my manhood. I don't know which one. I think he's only seen one of the two shout out to you guys my favorite circle jerk. The Tactical Trailer Park Boys.

[Brent]

He's not. He's not far from the truth there. I wanted so, so close it hurts.

[Drew]

Chester Black says a jester interview question.

[Brent]

Jester interview. Any. Anyone?

[Drew]

You'll have to.

[Brent]

Oh, I don't know.

[Drew]

You'll have to paper chat back.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Drew]

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[Ethan Nagel]

Thank you, Matt. I have a meeting with them next week.

[Brent]

Talk to me about that later. Did you see where I defended you in the comments? Some stupid guy was like, refracted Wolf Apparel. That's. That's the stupidest name ever for a company. And I wrote back, I said, I'm pretty sure Smashing Pumpkins was the dumbest name for a band, but look at them now and then the guy becomes cool now and he writes back and goes, oh, my gosh. The. The Butthole Surfers.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, my God.

[Brent]

The Butthole Surfers is actually worse than them. And yeah, look how they turned out. I take my comment back.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Thank you, Brad. Yeah.

[Brent]

I'm out there just fighting for you.

[Drew]

All right, Brian, you're tell me on this one. Justin Ginhart, G. What downgrades are typical politics Was put in for brown.

[Ethan Nagel]

Excuse Brown star medal with valor by.

[Drew]

My command, but it got knocked down.

[Ethan Nagel]

To Arkham with valor because it was a pfc, Private first class.

[Drew]

Told it was my army politics I.

[Ethan Nagel]

Hate that we're talking about. Yeah.

[Brent]

Valor rewards are not dictated by rank. They're dictated by action. Oh, I hate that. And you know, and he's probably not wrong. It probably.

[Ethan Nagel]

And that's the politics we're talking about. So like I said, the fact that, like, you know, if a marine infantry or infantryman gets above brown stars would be like silver stars, service cross metal metals. I mean, that is.

[Brent]

But let me. Let me throw it at you this way. Not only is it not rank specific, it's not job specific. And this is what I hate. And this happens a lot in special operations. If you do something valorous, they'll look at you and be like, ah, you're just doing your job. But if a. But if a mechanic did the same thing, they'd get a silver star for it. So is it. It's not done by rank and it's not done by. By job either. So there's a lot of times special operations guys get not even put in because they get told, ah, you're just doing your job.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And I hate that.

[Tyler]

That's.

[Brent]

That's absolutely.

[Ethan Nagel]

That's. Yeah, it is. That's. Yeah, that's cool.

[Drew]

Hand Luke says Brantley and trailer. I think we need a brotherhood blade for a giveaway. I think Vanessa can work her magic and make it happen.

[Ethan Nagel]

That's true.

[Tyler]

We can ask them. I'm sure they would do it.

[Brent]

Absolutely.

[Drew]

Krishna Karanam. Watch Jeremy Clarkson's VC documentary.

[Brent]

Jeremy.

[Ethan Nagel]

Vietcong documentary.

[Brent]

All right. Yeah, I'm sure it's Viet Cong.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Man, Ethan, you're just nailing the Alphabet tonight. You're doing great, brother.

[Brent]

Man, I knew everything he said last time. And by the way, he asked me to answer those, not you. You got your own podcast. Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

Go subscribe.

[Drew]

Our brother Plight Designs is in. Ethan, do you have an opinion on STA platoons? He's 100.

[Ethan Nagel]

So. So stable Tunes was the old name. It's some Sniper target acquisition platoons or something like that. Or Surveillance Target. Jesus. Surveillance target Acquisition plunes. It's the pre. It's not a precursor to scout sniper. It's just what they called scout sniper platoons back in the 90s. So they used to be like, oh, you're part of Stapleton. And some units, they. They finally changed name back to scout snipers, I think in the early G Watt. But they go back and forth. So like, you go into like Vietnam era there. Oh, snipers.

[Drew]

But do you have an opinion on them going away?

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, it was stupid.

[Brent]

I got enough.

[Ethan Nagel]

It was absolutely dumb that they got rid of it. It's the Marine Corps that was trying to like. It was. I got.

[Brent]

I got another question for you real quick because we gotta. We gotta go. Go fast. We got a bunch of them. But real quick. And quick answer. Carlos Hathcock. I absolutely know he is. Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

Okay, so there's controversy within our own community, but Carlos Hathcock exaggerated a lot, but he did get a lot of kills in Vietnam. Chuck Mahiny was a bad. And he was like the second. He was the unknown skull sniper. But that was known in our community.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Ethan Nagel]

And I was really pissed I ended up. I was training up for Afghanistan in 09 and Chuck Mahiny went to my boots graduation for the hog night. So we have a hog night at the end of every scout sniper class.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Ethan Nagel]

Just get up and get drunk and everything like that.

[Brent]

All right.

[Ethan Nagel]

And so Chuck Mahiny showed up with his wife and they got hammered with Chuck. Ma.

[Brent]

I love it.

[Ethan Nagel]

So pissed. I was out training. I couldn't make the night. I was so mad. He came out to Hawaii and everything, but Chuck, absolute legend.

[Brent]

All right, keep it going.

[Drew]

That's the last super chat I have.

[Brent]

I got.

[Tyler]

We wanna. I got two Instagram videos.

[Brent]

Yes, let's. Now we have time.

[Drew]

Let's see if it'll work.

[Brent]

Come on.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna send them to don't get out of Counterculture. I'm gonna send them to Canada.

[Brent]

Oh, loose wire. Drew El's his new name.

[Ethan Nagel]

Blake Griev, I love you. I don't know if you made the chat or not, but he was texting me.

[Brent]

Drew, Loose wires Tucker.

[Drew]

While he waits for that, maybe we can watch this. Maybe it'll work.

[Tyler]

I don't know.

[Brent]

We'll see.

[Ethan Nagel]

How's the sound chats? You left your marks. You shut us down. All flames try to run us out. You push too hard.

[Tyler]

Too much. What wire did you mess with?

[Drew]

All of them.

[Tyler]

Wait, it was working earlier.

[Brent]

Well, it was working for sounds still bad. Oh, well, don't worry. You'll just won't miss the video. But you'll get to hear the song at the end. It's a gangster song. I love that.

[Ethan Nagel]

AI is really good. I worked with AR a few years ago and we kind of go back and forth to it, but it was really hard to get everything consistent. So I want to start.

[Brent]

Are you good with AI?

[Ethan Nagel]

I used to play with it a little bit probably about two years ago. And it's gotten so much better because the consistency of the video is. What was the challenge about two years.

[Brent]

I want to reach out to that guy somehow, some way, since it's an AI song song in an AI video and see if he can do a anti hero AI video.

[Ethan Nagel]

The song sounds good.

[Brent]

I.

[Ethan Nagel]

The AI. The video is definitely obviously AI, but I wonder if the song's AI that's the song.

[Tyler]

They just said make a conservative five finger death punch song.

[Ethan Nagel]

Wow, that's.

[Brent]

Are you saying that because you know, or are you just saying that?

[Tyler]

Oh, I'm just saying that.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Ethan Nagel]

I was like saying. I was like, that's. I mean, it's gotten amazing in the last. Like every month it gets.

[Tyler]

You can't even tell what's real anymore.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's nuts. There's some really good stuff out there.

[Brent]

It's so crazy.

[Drew]

Oh, real quick, did you guys hear about the. The woman, Joy, getting booted off the. The View?

[Tyler]

No. Did she?

[Drew]

Yeah, yeah, ABC booted her because she basically said that the secretary, you know, the, the blonde girl press secretary, got her job because she's a 10 because Trump said she was a 10. And she only got her job because of her looks. And she's so young, 26 years old or something like that.

[Brent]

That got her fired. They said stupid things.

[Drew]

Well, yeah, that's what I thought. But here's the thing. There's a lot of man hating women that watch that show. And what she's doing, she's being hypocritical. She's tearing down a woman who got a high profile job.

[Brent]

I know, but. But you. We talk about it all the time. If it wasn't for double standards, the left would have no standards at all. The left is normally just. That's fine with. With tearing down conservative women.

[Drew]

That's right.

[Brent]

So I'm surprised. I hope that's true. You better be right on on that, Drew. You just said it.

[Drew]

I'm right on it.

[Brent]

All right, all right. So we're scared to do the. The Instagram. Yeah, more bad audio. All right, we got it. Here's something we haven't had to do in a while. Let's just go to the chats.

[Ethan Nagel]

Wow, they kicked her off. She's like the main host.

[Tyler]

Reagan from Conduct says my mom thinks Brent is hot.

[Brent]

Your mom's not wrong.

[Drew]

That better not be my kids.

[Tyler]

Oh, they're watching the live right now.

[Brent]

Oh, man.

[Tyler]

Oh, Reagan, to answer your question on the live, I have not dropped the new counterculture episode because I've been busy as fuck and. But I will drop it tomorrow night.

[Drew]

Goons up says Young men dead. The Black Angels for the song. Check it out.

[Brent]

Oh, I'll check it out. It might be next week. So I'm. I'm set on. Especially after two attempts of it not going well. We're gonna. We're gonna send this song out. Well, at least it'll come out clear in the clear issue.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, there we go.

[Drew]

Yeah, here we go. 507 says Ethan. I enjoy the Vet TB sub. Great content and friendly hello from Minnesota represents.

[Ethan Nagel]

Love it. Thank you so much.

[Brent]

Say Minnesota.

[Ethan Nagel]

Minnesota.

[Brent]

You're not where you are.

[Ethan Nagel]

Minnesota.

[Brent]

You're from Minnesota.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And you just talk normal like that.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, I'm from southern Minnesota. I'm in the Minneapolis area. You only get those accents when you go super north. Yeah, yeah. But I say, you know, like, I was like, oh, you know.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

So there's like little things, but yeah, Minnesota, we don't talk like that. Unless you're like in North Dakota or like at. Towards, like the North Dakota.

[Brent]

Yeah, it's there.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's like a little bit there. Yeah.

[Brent]

Are there as many Somalis in.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a ton. Yeah, there's. Yeah.

[Brent]

What a horrible place to send them. Like, let's send them the coldest, most miserable place.

[Ethan Nagel]

They came over because of the stuff in Somalian, like dirt, Blackhawk down or whatever. And a lot of churches brought them over as like a refugee thing. And I didn't really know it. And then. Yeah. That we have. We call them the crack stacks in Hawaii or just Minnesota. In Minneapolis, there's these.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Ethan Nagel]

That's where they were housed, essentially. And then. Yeah, there's all sorts of controversy.

[Brent]

Are they. Are they a net positive, a net neutral, or net negative to the community?

[Ethan Nagel]

I think a net neutral. They don't really cause much ruckus. I say that, but I mean, I could talk to my buddy Charlie, who's an actual cop, and he'd probably.

[Brent]

He might differ.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, I differ on that. But you don't really hear about it much. It's not like. There's like. It's not like a high crime or. May I take that back? Maybe it is crime, but like, it's. It's.

[Brent]

It's.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's more of a neutral. They just keep voting stupid. Well, exactly.

[Brent]

That's the problem. They gave us that stupid congresswoman.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Ilan Omar. Yeah, you can thank them for that.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well then also though, too, I mean, the. Minneapolis is like that. So like south Minneapolis, they got a lot of like ultra left liberals and they. They vote all the in. So like the city council is absolutely insane. I was part of the riots. I got called up for the guard during the riots.

[Brent]

Oh, I was part of the riots.

[Ethan Nagel]

Okay.

[Brent]

Didn't see that one coming.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, that was wild. Wild. That was insane. And. But yeah, it was that. All that. And Minnesota is a weird state. I want to go to Miss Intention. It's a great state. I love it. It's. It's a teetering state. It's not like California people like, oh my God, Minnesota's lost. It's not at all. Minneapolis is like 800, 000 people.

[Brent]

That's a small town.

[Ethan Nagel]

For a small, big town. Yeah, it's a big town. Like, it's. I love it. It's great. The seasons are awesome. The people are great. Honestly, it wouldn't take much for, like, the GOP or Republicans to come in and, like, if they want to pump money into it, they could ever absolutely win it. Like, it's not. It's always in a teeter. Like, we're a purple slash blue state, but it can go red.

[Drew]

It could.

[Ethan Nagel]

It wouldn't. It's not like a lost cause like California.

[Brent]

What you got, Drew?

[Drew]

Ryder Patterson says, should the Air Force be put back into the Army?

[Brent]

No, no, they should not be put back in the Army. They have. They have. They have grown so much, you know, since then. They. They deserve to be their own branch.

[Drew]

We've evolved.

[Brent]

But that's. But that's not. I would put no energy towards that and all the energy towards renaming the Department of Defense the War Department. I can't let that go. I love it.

[Ethan Nagel]

That would be awesome. That would be so fucking cool.

[Drew]

Writer also says, can Stu Trucker do a biblical podcast spin off. Always have struggled in faith and want to learn more.

[Tyler]

I don't know, Drew. Well, are you going to.

[Drew]

We could do prophecy. Yeah. We could do some world religion. Whatever.

[Brent]

We never did our second episode with you. We were going to do Revelations. Remember, Drew?

[Drew]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Brent]

We do end of the world revelations. We never did that.

[Drew]

Yeah, well, you know, my podcast is one of the worst viewed ones, so what are you gonna do?

[Tyler]

Oh, stop. It was one of the first ones.

[Drew]

Hey, anyway, Ryder, you know you can message me at Facebook because I'm old at Drew Tara Tucker, and we can chat.

[Tyler]

They got the joint Facebook the Drew actually brought to me. I'm gonna say it. Drew. I'm gonna tell him. Tell him. He said, hey, what's your thoughts on a podcast that I host about the Bible and all religion? Because he does have his BS degree, so his biblical studies degree, he knows not just about Christianity, but he's also very affluent in other religions. Probably the basic stuff, but not a lot of people know. And so Drew was like, I was thinking about maybe hosting a podcast to answer those questions, and I said, that's a phenomenal fucking idea.

[Brent]

You know what we should do? I mean, we should. All you got to do is just change the back and just get one of those, like, cloth back. You were talking about that. That you and your podcast studio, you just changed the backdrop and do a different podcast in your basement, right?

[Ethan Nagel]

I do. Yep. I do Nylon Apparels, podcasts.

[Brent]

Yeah, we could do that. You could literally just get that. That eight foot wall banner that we have for frc.

[Drew]

I can do it. I just stopped sleeping, but I'll do it.

[Tyler]

The second part is that a lot of podcasters realize that the filming is what a fraction of what having a podcast is. It's the back end.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I would teach Drew everything I do for Anti Hero and then it would be up to Drew if he's going to be in that. In that percentage of. What is it, seven episodes?

[Brent]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Oh, well, you're already in the top 10%.

[Brent]

Yeah. That podcast episode we did, that was.

[Tyler]

A good anniversary episode.

[Brent]

Was our anniversary episode. That was a good one.

[Tyler]

A year ago.

[Drew]

If I don't start a podcast, there's a book out you can read. The bestseller.

[Brent]

Yes. Guys, go back to our older episodes that, you know, that have, you know, a fraction of the views that our new ones have. It's the same content, it's the same people.

[Tyler]

I was going to ask you, but I'll ask it on the live.

[Brent]

Oh, do it.

[Ethan Nagel]

All right.

[Tyler]

We've talked about the idea.

[Brent]

Yes.

[Tyler]

What do you think about removing a lot of old episodes and vaulting them and releasing them again as. Now you have to look at the beginning. They are not good. We are awful. We are not.

[Ethan Nagel]

You want to. With your algorithm. Quality sucks.

[Tyler]

Quality is awful.

[Brent]

But awful.

[Tyler]

But I feel like we start, you know, we take them down and we vault them like the Disney used to do with the old school movies. Like it's going in the Disney vault. You gotta buy it now.

[Brent]

That's a good.

[Ethan Nagel]

That's.

[Brent]

That's. Well, we. We played with the idea of doing like a re release. Yes, I know. I don't know.

[Drew]

They're saying the hot and Chads are saying the audio is cutting. I don't know why.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, I want to throw this out. So my buddy, who's a cop just texted me because they're watching the.

[Brent]

The chat.

[Ethan Nagel]

He goes, haha, not high crime. And then my buddy Blake goes. My mom's student went to isis. So that's true. ISIS was included out of Minnesota through Somalians. So you do have that. All right.

[Tyler]

Yeah. They're saying, I'm getting text saying the audio is out.

[Ethan Nagel]

Well, all this.

[Drew]

One person says audio is fine. Somebody. Another person says audio is okay on my end.

[Tyler]

Maybe it was just a glitch in time.

[Drew]

Another person says audio's out. Maybe it was just a short thing.

[Tyler]

Calling, doing a live call.

[Brent]

Yeah, it's cutting out. Nobody can hear it.

[Tyler]

Is it working? Is it working now?

[Brent]

Other guy says, I'm watching it on my phone.

[Tyler]

All right, text me and let me know.

[Brent]

Yeah, Rick Howell, just text us and say, I can hear every fifth word. And that's. It's.

[Tyler]

Half.

[Brent]

Everyone's saying audio is good. Everyone is saying, no issues here. I can hear just fine.

[Drew]

Refresh it. I don't know.

[Brent]

Yeah, refresh it. You go back and you go back in. It's fine. All right, there you go. Audio is good. A lot of audios. Audio is good. Wood.

[Tyler]

Good wood.

[Ethan Nagel]

Good wood.

[Brent]

Good wood.

[Tyler]

Good wood.

[Brent]

We'll be talking baseball. We talking relations.

[Tyler]

All right, we'll do a couple more super chats and we'll end live. We are struggling here.

[Brent]

Yeah, we're on the struggle bus this afternoon.

[Drew]

Christopher Sells says Chuck M. Was my neighbor growing up. His kids babysat me.

[Ethan Nagel]

No.

[Drew]

Babysat me. Had a squirrel problem. And we kept tally marks on his fence of squirrel kills. I love that. Awesome family. Great guy. Keep up the good work, guys.

[Brent]

My dad did the same thing. Drew, remember when dad was keeping the squirrels? Absolutely.

[Drew]

He got up to like 2. Over 200 and he quit counting. Yeah, they just kept multiplying coming back in.

[Brent]

Oh, man. Just. We start a little bit late. If the audio is fine. Let's. Let's go a little bit more and. But. But not, you know, not like a 10 minute dissertation, but tell us about the riots a little bit because you got called up for that in the National Guard.

[Ethan Nagel]

It was. It was bad. Like, it was really bad. Yeah. So the riots kicked off?

[Brent]

No, no, it was a. It was a peaceful protest. It was a mostly peaceful process.

[Ethan Nagel]

Fun. Fun fact. I literally was. When I was going to film school and live with my buddy, I lived.

[Tyler]

Oh, wait, wait. Do we want to mess with anything right now?

[Brent]

Yeah, you could always put. Push it in. Pushing it ain't gonna matter. It would only make it better. Go ahead.

[Ethan Nagel]

What she said.

[Brent]

Perfectly. Time. Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. So what happened? I actually lived about a block away from ex.

[Brent]

That.

[Ethan Nagel]

I knew exactly where that was. That cup foods, all that shit. I live there. Like, I lived on that block and I. It was not a good block. They're always changing over businesses super shady and. And whatnot. So when that all kicked off, I remember seeing it. Okay, whatever. And the protests started kicking off and they started really going after downtown, and I think it was like Thursday or Friday night, dude. And they started burning. I had. I had family and friends come stay at my place in Maplewood because it was so Dangerous. The cops refused to go and. Yeah, maple wood. Yeah, they call it maple hood, actually. And then. And then they ended up basically the. Everything was kicking off. They're burning everything down. Went totally chaotic. I had a good friend that was actually in the Minneapolis Police Department. He was. They were getting shot at. So there's a lot of things that didn't actually make the news. They're shot at. Yeah.

[Brent]

You're shooting at your local police.

[Ethan Nagel]

He goes. It was a miracle known was one shot or killed. They were rolling like four deep in each car. Two cars a piece. They weren't going to. Basically they were trying to ambush cops as well. So they'd call in like murders or some. They weren't even. They weren't even going to them. They're like, we're not even. We're not even going to try. There's a lot of weapons caches that were found. I had friend I. When we.

[Brent]

Weapons caches.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. Weapon. So there was. There'd be like milk carton boxes, you know, like the milk carton crates. It'd be like Molotov cocktails and all sorts of.

[Brent]

Is it cash or cachet?

[Ethan Nagel]

Cachet. Sorry, Cash or. I call them cash, but caches. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brent]

I think it's.

[Tyler]

Now you're with me. Is it cash or cachet?

[Brent]

I think it's both.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah, it could be both.

[Brent]

Hold on. Pull. Pull the audience. Cash or cachet? A, A, cash. B, cachet. C, Both. You're going C, you're going B.

[Ethan Nagel]

Cachet. Cachet.

[Brent]

Cachet.

[Tyler]

Cache.

[Brent]

True.

[Drew]

What does CAG Daddy think?

[Brent]

I've already. I've always called him Caches, but people call them caches all the time.

[Ethan Nagel]

Weapons.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Never. So I know I. I disrael. I'd be real. That was important to me.

[Ethan Nagel]

No, I get it. No. So it started kicking off. They're burning Lake street down. I mean, it was nuts. We had. And my buddy actually, the one I'm texting me, he. They actually got activated a few days before I got activated. And they were patrolling the streets and basically what happened was once Lake street burned, they burned download of buildings the next day. They were essentially intel because it was running like intel was working this whole thing and they go. The neck. They put a stop to it because the next day they were threatening to go into the neighborhoods. So they had burned all the.

[Brent]

So that's when going to the neighborhood.

[Ethan Nagel]

The kibosh on. I was actually. I went down to Lake street the next morning on Saturday morning to start cleaning up and I had not smelt that like, since, like, Iraq.

[Brent]

Were you armed?

[Ethan Nagel]

No, no.

[Brent]

But at that point, the National Guard wasn't even armed.

[Ethan Nagel]

No, no, the mash.

[Brent]

Oh, no. We got a kill. No one get a kill in Nashville. In Nashville, one guy got shot off.

[Ethan Nagel]

At, like, one car.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Ethan Nagel]

But it was. So the wild part is. So we go in. I go in to help clean up after they had burned all of Lake Street. I get the call up because they were threatening that night to the go down into the neighborhood. So I get activated. My buddies had already been activated, right? They had burned down Lake Street. Cars were melted in the ground. Whole buildings were gone. Like, big, like, liquor stores that were kind of part of the community. Like, all this stuff completely gone. They ransacked target, everything. It was complete chaos. And then they. We got activated. We go in for the brief, the ROE brief. It was the most efficient I've ever seen in the military. Run. We get in there, they're cycling, saying something. Yeah, it was.

[Brent]

It was.

[Ethan Nagel]

Is weird. We get in, we get an ROE brief. No, they go. They. They go, you're gonna get 60 rounds of live ammunition. You are getting two full magazines. We're giving you an M4, and you're going in. And I was like, holy. And I go, okay, what's the roe?

[Brent]

Swear to God, combat rotations under your belt this time. You have a silver start this time.

[Ethan Nagel]

Oh, yeah, this is.

[Brent]

And you're loading up a live weapon in the United States.

[Ethan Nagel]

Exactly.

[Brent]

To defend yourself against American citizens.

[Tyler]

They don't know what's coming.

[Brent]

In a mindset.

[Drew]

In a mind.

[Ethan Nagel]

What am. Well, so that point. By that point, we had known they were shooting at cops. We had known that there are a lot of perpetrators coming in to fuck with everything. By that point, it didn't shock me that they were going with live ammunition because they thought it was going to get so bad that. That basically you're going to get into firefights with, like, gangs. So we. I asked him, I said, what's the roe? And he goes, if you feel threatened, you are cleared hot to engage. I was like, love it. I have not heard that since Afghanistan.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

And so we end up getting activated. Did I end up running the personal security detail for the generals? Because that's what I did in Kuwait. So they're like, hey, you're gonna. You're gonna do that? And I was like, okay, fine. So we end up going in at night and then going into. There's like a whole. There's a stadium where they staged everybody that was Wild. So my buddies were staged, like, in the stadium, and then they were getting everyone, like, flowing into the city. It was crazy because it was like an operation. You're like, holy, this is the staging point. And we're. And they went in. They were patrolling. But, yeah, it was. It was nuts.

[Brent]

Did they shoot at the national guard at all? Were they pretty much just keeping their. To the cops. To the cops?

[Ethan Nagel]

Yeah. In fact, guard came in. They knew there. It was like. That's when things started to slow down. So. So the mps were there while the city was burning, but it was only mps protecting a few things. And then they put in the infantry. Greave is going to kill me because he was. He was actually on the ground. So he's gonna be like, that's not what happened. But, like, they. From what I understand, is that once we all got in there and started patrolling, that's when everything got locked down. They put in curfews. They were like. They got paintball. There's a famous video. Someone get shot at paintball. Because they're, like, looking outside their door and no one was around. Everyone was fine with it. We're like, yep, get inside the building. If you shoot at us, you shoot. Anytime a threat, you're gonna get shot.

[Brent]

Do you think they. They didn't, you know, mess with you guys because their fight wasn't with you guys or because they were, or because they were scared of you or they were, you know, they respected like. Like those guys? Yeah, those guys are going to play by the same rules exactly. They'll mess with them.

[Ethan Nagel]

My buddy who was. He was patrolling with the cops, and he said that the cops got shouted at by the. The rioters. They came around the corner and literally, he. He heard someone go, oh, shit, it's the national guard. Sorry. And, like, left.

[Brent]

You know what I hate about that? That means the only difference is what you. If you allowed the cops to act like that, the adults in the room, then they'd get the same respect. Allow the cops to be the adult in the room.

[Tyler]

Imagine that.

[Drew]

John Woolley says, John Howard from last episode sounds just like Drew.

[Brent]

I saw that in the comments section a couple times, and I. I didn't hear that, but now I gotta go listen to it and see.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you.

[Drew]

It was effing me up. All right, Brits. Camaro. Can someone just say Drew Peacock?

[Ethan Nagel]

What is that?

[Brent]

I don't know. Why?

[Drew]

It's probably my. My hair.

[Brent]

Drew.

[Drew]

It's probably the peacock, I guess.

[Tyler]

Are you. Are you peacocking?

[Drew]

Peacocking? I Don't know.

[Tyler]

Lexing.

[Drew]

I'm just. I don't want to. Just not cutting my hair for a while. Hey, guys, want to know.

[Brent]

Oh, my gosh, the dreaded jump.

[Drew]

You know, the chats went nuts on all kinds of different words like Porsche and Porsche.

[Brent]

Caramel, caramel, Porsche. I do believe Porsche owners are very adamant that it's Porsche. I don't know.

[Ethan Nagel]

I've never.

[Brent]

I don't know. I've never been a Porsche owner, and it's not looking like I ever will be based on. I'm not based on my. My current income bracket.

[Ethan Nagel]

Look at my Tacoma from 10 years ago.

[Drew]

Apply design says caramel or caramel?

[Brent]

Caramel. Caramel.

[Tyler]

Caramel.

[Brent]

Oh, what about.

[Tyler]

What about There's.

[Drew]

There's another vowel in there.

[Tyler]

How do you say crayon?

[Brent]

Crayon.

[Tyler]

You say crayon?

[Brent]

Yeah. How else can you say it?

[Tyler]

Crayon.

[Brent]

Crayon.

[Tyler]

Crayon.

[Drew]

There are syllables in that word, people.

[Brent]

All right, here's the only one that I think is a true debate, because it's the same amount of syllables, and that's pecan and pecan.

[Drew]

That's right.

[Tyler]

Who said I heard pecan? Pecan.

[Drew]

Yeah. There's three.

[Ethan Nagel]

I've heard both.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Ethan Nagel]

I don't know.

[Brent]

In the South, I believe. I'll go ahead and speak for everyone. I believe it's pecan, but it's more of a Southern thing. I like pecans.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'm gonna go with that one.

[Drew]

Pecan is what you do when you pee in a can.

[Brent]

Thank you, Drew. That's the commentary we're here for?

[Tyler]

Yep.

[Drew]

No name. 50 bucks.

[Brent]

No name.

[Drew]

Yeah, we love no names. Steve Lyles charity, folks.

[Brent]

Yep.

[Tyler]

Yep. Go check out Steve Lyles on GoFundMe.

[Brent]

Yep.

[Drew]

That's all I got because they're gone.

[Tyler]

That's it. If we missed it, guys, we're sorry, man.

[Brent]

If we missed it, it's Drew's fault.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Did we get Mike Glover, please? See the Hot Crazy Curve video?

[Brent]

Oh, yeah. The Hot Crazy Curve. The Hot Crazy Matrix, I think is what it's called.

[Tyler]

True.

[Ethan Nagel]

Yes.

[Brent]

That thing has to have millions. Millions and millions of videos.

[Tyler]

It's wild how true it is.

[Brent]

It is so true. My gosh, it's so true. You guys do that. I'm gonna get ready.

[Tyler]

You get the song? Yep.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

We'd like to formally invite you guys up here at the panel. If you guys want to sit down, go to the outro with Drew or Drew. Right.

[Brent]

Oh, don't worry.

[Tyler]

Taylor, come here. Come on. Us.

[Brent]

Come on.

[Tyler]

You can read. You have to read comments with Burt Tucker.

[Brent]

That is another Thursday night in the books. Audio problems at all. I feel like we pulled it off. Go ahead.

[Drew]

Vanessa wants to remind everybody about the new Patreon tiers. The new Patreon tiers.

[Brent]

I think I have all that. Hey, everyone turn off their Bluetooth. I don't know why everyone wants to be on my speakers with their Bluetooth. Get your own Bluetooth speakers. And magnet. I'm looking at you even though that wasn't you right now.

[Tyler]

Basketball comes to court, you have to play by his rules.

[Brent]

It's my Bluetooth speaker. Everybody's on it except me. What I need to be. It's. It's. I do need to be on it.

[Tyler]

It's.

[Brent]

It's my big grand finale.

[Drew]

Drew Peacock, I guess Droopy. I never heard of Peacock.

[Brent]

Is Droopy Drew Peacock? I just.

[Ethan Nagel]

Is that a thing?

[Drew]

I've never heard of that.

[Ethan Nagel]

People call me.

[Drew]

People call me Droopy.

[Brent]

We haven't been that wrong since. Since a sweat off. Since Jordan. Sweat off? You mean. You mean. You mean Jordan's wet Of like Jordan's wet only fans. That took us way too long to figure out. Damn it. One of the chat says. Cheers, boys. Oh, they had to. They had to hand feed us that one. And that's. That's what. That's what hurts.

[Drew]

So what are the new tiers for Patreon?

[Brent]

It's. It's. It's the same tiers except we're going five and. And $10. It used to be three and five. And we were super proud of that. And we're. People were telling us, hey, do. Do $20. And like, no, that's. That's too much. We've always prided ourselves and being very affordable. But we wanted to do two things. Raise the price a little bit. So Drew, you can get paid and a livable wage for all the hours you put in here. And, and we can give them more things as well. Like I wanted to start doing like tactical videos, gun videos, gear videos, things like that. But like, that takes resources to make these videos.

[Tyler]

And also you guys, it goes to, you know, to pay me and Brent a little bit of money because we.

[Ethan Nagel]

It's a job really hard on.

[Tyler]

It's a job when people are like, hey, do this, do that, do this. There's literally no time. So that being said, we have to step down from other ventures that help us make money in order to do that. And we really want to, but the money has to be surplus in some other way. Which the Patreon is the best way to do it.

[Brent]

$5 towards the Bible cast. What are you gonna call it?

[Drew]

That's nice.

[Tyler]

Bible Cat taken.

[Brent]

Drew's Bible cast. The Bible cast. I like the name of that Bible cast. As if we need more to do.

[Ethan Nagel]

Okay.

[Brent]

I think that.

[Ethan Nagel]

I think that was my favorite episode.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, I think that was my favorite one.

[Brent]

Would you remember what you called it? Some, like family and friends or family God and family.

[Drew]

God and family. God and family.

[Brent]

God. You know what episode that is?

[Ethan Nagel]

40.

[Tyler]

Some. 40 is in the 40s.

[Brent]

Yeah. Guys, go back and look. That episode. Drew covered a lot of controversial, but they're not controversial topics. If you know the Bible, they weren't.

[Drew]

Controversial 100 years ago.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of.

[Drew]

I know we're going the wrong way.

[Brent]

Sometimes I just don't want the episode. Sometimes I just want the episode.

[Tyler]

Hey, guys.

[Drew]

Sorry we weren't able to do the Mike Perry thing because we haven't video probably problem. So that's why people are asking for Mike Perry. It was going to be a video, but couldn't do it.

[Brent]

All right, here we go. This is the end. Now, we all. We all hate to. No one wants a good thing to end, but we're going to do it again next Thursday with good audio. JN Rose. Brent is a yes man, though, so of course he's up for a Bible cast. I say yes, ma'am. Did you mean to say yes, ma'am? I say yes, ma'am. I say no, ma'am. Yes, sir. No, sir. Johnny Ruse.

[Ethan Nagel]

Wow.

[Brent]

No audio check. Did they treat their weapons the same way in combat, Johnny? What makes you think we didn't do an audio check? And that's how we knew we were having audio problems. And guess what? What? I didn't do that same type of check in combat. This is my audio check.

[Tyler]

What?

[Brent]

It didn't work out in my mind. I thought I saw that going better. That's all right. 1,000 horsepower. But Godsmack. Gods. They're not my favorite band. They're not my favorite band. But they have some good songs. I'd go to. I'd go to their concert, though. I go to godmac concert. Yeah, for sure. Just left the gym just in time for Brett's Bangers. Maybe that's what we should call the end of the episode. That segment. It's time for Brett's Bangers. B's. B's Bangers. Oh, man. Oh, look at. Hi, Donnie from Saudi Arabia. Or is that. Are you from Saudi Arabia? Is that what they're saying? I don't know. Mayor from Saudi Arabia, Maybe. Maybe.

[Drew]

Okay, go to ancestry.com yeah, exactly.

[Brent]

Still waiting on Vanessa's only fans. Vanessa, that's on you. We were trying to raise the Patreon price to also pay Vanessa, but only fans is probably a quicker way for you to get paid. You should look into that. Metallica will be in Tampa. We need to go to them. Yeah, yeah. They released their 2025 dates. And if they're in Tampa, what was.

[Ethan Nagel]

The name of the song that they weren't able to play?

[Brent]

Bulls on Parade. That's another classic one. Yep. That was good. That was really good. Oh, we do need to get Bob Keller to come on a Thursday night. That Bob Keller episode was a fun one. It was fun. He'd be. He'd be good on a. On a Thursday night episode. Vanessa, write back lol if you're saying yes. The only fans.

[Drew]

I've said my grandpa's quote about women. Ladies, you don't want to understand women. Women only understand women and they hate each other.

[Brent]

100 all truth facts or just just facts? Joking.

[Ethan Nagel]

Just facts.

[Brent]

Joking. DXL Brew. We need to. We need picks up Tyler's feet. Yeah. Vanessa, get Tim Kennedy on the podcast and I'll start. Normally fans, that's. That's on Tim. That is on Tim. I feel like if he'd have done that earlier, he'd still have a few more sponsors in his life. That's it. That's all we have for this Thursday Night Live. Thanks so much, guys, for tuning in. We'll see you in seven days.