Squadcast (Live) 02/27/2025

Summary

The Antihero Podcast – Episode Summary: Squadcast (Live) 02/27/2025

Host: Drew, Mike, and Reagan
Guest: Congressman Dan Crenshaw
Release Date: February 28, 2025
Duration: Approximately 19 minutes into the transcript provided

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1. Introduction and Guest Overview

The episode kicks off with Drew welcoming listeners to the live "It's I Hero squadcast," noting the absence of Brett due to his training commitments. Joining Drew are Reagan from Conduct Unbecoming and Mike, formerly associated with Copville. The primary guest for the evening is Congressman Dan Crenshaw, a former Navy SEAL known for his outspoken views.

Notable Quote:

• Drew (00:57): "Welcome back to the It's I Hero squadcast. Thursday night is for the boys."

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2. Setting the Stage: Recent Controversies

Drew outlines the contentious topics slated for discussion, primarily focusing on Dan Crenshaw's recent interactions with media personalities like Tucker Carlson and the ongoing saga involving former Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher. The conversation emerges amid strong, polarized opinions from the public, making it a highly charged episode.

Notable Quote:

• Drew (02:30): "This is a platform we've never once told anybody. They can't come tell their story."

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3. Addressing Misconceptions and Allegations

a. Alleged Incident with a Minor

Early in the discussion, Drew brings up an unfounded rumor suggesting Crenshaw nearly assaulted a 10-year-old girl. Crenshaw vehemently denies the accusation, clarifying that the incident involved an adult at a Montgomery County Tea Party event, not a minor.

Notable Quote:

• Dan Crenshaw (03:58): "That was not a little girl. That was an adult. She was working for my opponent..."

b. Feud with Tucker Carlson

The hosts delve into Crenshaw's strained relationship with Tucker Carlson, highlighting Carlson's repeated derogatory remarks and the impact on Crenshaw's public image. Crenshaw attributes this animosity to Carlson's relentless pursuit of sensational stories, often devoid of substantive critique.

Notable Quote:

• Dan Crenshaw (08:47): "I truly hate the guy, but I just don't... I don't believe that I'd kill Tucker Carlson..."

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4. Insider Trading Allegations

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around accusations of insider trading against Crenshaw. He categorically denies possessing any substantial stock holdings, citing a brokerage account balance of $24,000. Crenshaw criticizes the media and online trolls for propagating baseless claims to generate clicks, emphasizing his minimal financial involvement in the stock market.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan Crenshaw (11:38): "I have $24,000 in there. That's always, that's always what it's been."
• Dan Crenshaw (12:19): "The FBI would love, love to nab a congressman for insider trading."

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5. Involvement in the Eddie Gallagher Case

The heart of the episode centers on Crenshaw's role in advocating for Eddie Gallagher, a former Navy SEAL accused of war crimes. Crenshaw recounts his efforts to support Gallagher, including drafting detailed letters to key congressional leaders and leveraging media outlets like Fox News to influence President Trump's decisions. Despite his actions leading to Gallagher's improved confinement conditions, Gallagher accuses Crenshaw of insufficient support, sparking further controversy.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan Crenshaw (32:37): "We get a big media hit... Trump did exactly what our letter asked him to do."
• Dan Crenshaw (39:27): "We actually did a lot to help him, and it's super offensive that I'm being accused of the opposite."

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6. Crenshaw’s Defense and Legislative Responsibilities

Crenshaw defends his actions by outlining the limitations of his role as a legislator, emphasizing the separation of powers. He explains that while he aimed to assist Gallagher within the bounds of his authority, his primary responsibilities in Congress—such as defense budgeting and combating cartels—demand significant attention, leaving limited scope for personal advocacy in individual cases.

Notable Quotes:

• Dan Crenshaw (56:20): "It's practical reasons... sitting down and arguing with Eddie is just not high on my priority list."
• Dan Crenshaw (71:17): "My mindset's always going to be do what's realistic and within the bounds of both common sense and the law."

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7. Confrontation and Debate with Hosts

The latter part of the transcript captures a heated exchange between the hosts and Crenshaw. Reagan challenges Crenshaw on his perceived lack of advocacy for Gallagher's complete release, while Crenshaw maintains that his efforts were both substantial and within appropriate limits. The debate underscores the deep divisions and strong emotions surrounding the case and Crenshaw's actions.

Notable Quotes:

• Reagan (55:39): "Everything we have said, you have said is false."
• Dan Crenshaw (45:14): "I'm not part of the judicial system. My role is to look at a situation and say, you're not getting proper treatment."

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8. Conclusion and Final Remarks

The episode concludes without reaching a definitive resolution, leaving listeners to grapple with the complexities of Crenshaw's position and the broader implications of his actions. The hosts express appreciation for Crenshaw's participation, despite the contentious dialogue, and mention potential future interactions surrounding the ongoing Gallagher controversy.

Notable Quote:

• Drew (74:19): "We were able to let another guy give his side of the story, whether you think it's full of crap or not. We were able to."

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Key Takeaways and Insights

• Separation of Powers: Crenshaw emphasizes the importance of legislators operating within their defined roles, highlighting the limitations in directly influencing judicial outcomes.

• Media Influence: The conversation underscores the powerful role media personalities like Tucker Carlson play in shaping public perception of political figures.

• Advocacy vs. Practicality: Crenshaw navigates the fine line between genuine advocacy for constituents and the pragmatic constraints of congressional duties.

• Online Trolling and Defamation: The episode highlights the detrimental effects of unchecked online harassment and defamatory claims on public figures.

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Note: The transcript provided extends beyond the core content, including sponsor messages and casual discussions among hosts, which have been omitted from this summary to maintain focus on substantive discussions.

Transcript

[Drew]

Welcome back to the It's I Hero squadcast. Thursday night is for the boys. Obviously you can tell Brett is out of town. Is there an echo?

[Mike]

Not anymore.

[Drew]

Brett's out of town training knuckle draggers. So with me tonight I have Reagan from Conduct Unbecoming, the Unbecoming podcast. And I've got Mike, formerly Copville, the artist formerly known as Cottville, formerly known.

[Reagan]

You have to follow at Copville, OG I was nuked today by Instagram. So please follow the backup beautiful liberal.

[Drew]

Check the antihero stories. Go give him a follow. He's got to build back better.

[Reagan]

That's what we're doing.

[Drew]

We got a hell of a show tonight. We have Dan Crenshaw. He's, he's waiting for us to call him. And of course we, the system we use, he has such a bad echo that he couldn't, he couldn't concentrate on. And I've been there. You cannot. When you hear yourself echoing on a three second delay, you can't concentrate on a conversation. So he's going to call in. So it'll be the same thing. You just won't be able to see him talk. But yeah, he's gonna answer some questions. Wild topic in the last couple days, wouldn't you say, Reagan?

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah, it's been crazy because you hear a lot from both sides of people's opinions. So. And they're strong. Everyone, everyone's got strong opinions. So. But yeah, it'll be interesting to hear his, his side of it and we'll go from there.

[Reagan]

Yeah, it seems to be a very one sided opinion from everybody that's following. And so we're gonna give him a chance to explain his side.

[Drew]

Yeah, the biggest thing is like, everybody's like, oh, you already have a platform, blah, blah, blah, like it. This is, this is a platform we've never once told anybody. They can't come tell their story. And their side of started off with the whole Tucker Carlson thing and obviously it just, every time Dan is in the news, good or bad, the Eddie Gallagher thing pops up. Absolutely. And Dan said it himself that he wants to address the yeti. He had issues we've been talking with the Gallagher family about and Eddie about what their take is on it. And so we'll be able to compare the two. We'll ask Dan straight up questions that he's probably been asked a million times. But I wanted to give him the platform to be able to talk about the Tucker Carlson incident and then address his side of the Eddie Gallagher stuff.

[Reagan]

And I Think it's only appropriate people say the anti platform people, like, why not give somebody a chance to talk? Like you have to hear their side of the story to get all of it.

[Drew]

So bravo, actual Dan, what's your story with you almost beating up a 10 year old girl? That did not happen. He was interrupted. I have seen that. Whether or not you're. I think she questioned his faith or something like that in the middle of one of his things and he kind of, kind of let her have it. But yeah, he can see these. So I'm sure if he wants to answer it, he will. But yeah, we'll go. Hey, how's the picture looking?

[Mike]

No, not yet.

[Drew]

Not yet.

[Reagan]

I bet there's a conspiracy theory in there that this whole thing's probably set up that he's not on.

[Brent]

But we could hear, we could hear the feedback.

[Reagan]

I can vouch for him that he could not possibly have done the interview live. It was impossible.

[Brent]

Yeah, we heard that.

[Reagan]

That's why we were late.

[Brent]

Feedback and screech so, yeah, I mean.

[Drew]

Without further ado, let's give Dan a call.

[Brent]

That's real convenient that you want to hear both sides given today and what's happened to you, huh? You're like, I want everybody to have their, Their, their side heard. I mean, given that you were canceled literally this morning. Was it this morning?

[Reagan]

Yeah, I woke up to a text message from my business partner that said, are you dead? He says the page is gone and I'm like my first morning, I actually sleep till like 8:00 and dang.

[Brent]

And you had a 120, 000 followers? 135, right? Yeah.

[Reagan]

And that is what it is.

[Drew]

Hey, Dan, you there?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yep, I'm here.

[Drew]

Hey man, I really appreciate you joining us on this live, this, this very stressful week. It seems like for you. Not stressful, but you're, you're in the news a lot. But I feel like you're, you're used to being in the news, man. You have very controversial opinions and I can respect a lot of them. And so I really appreciate you coming on and telling your side of. Not your side but, you know, you explaining what happened.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, happy to. Sorry, we had a technical difficulty, so it's annoying. I was ready to go, but we'll, we'll get it done next time. Yeah, yeah, no, it's just one of those weeks, as you said. Where do we begin? These, these news weeks with me often are like completely unexpected. I, you know, I. What? I, I joke. Like, I'm like, I Want to trend one day because, like, I go out there and, like, I have a controversial thing to say and I need to say it, and I know it's going to spin up a bunch of controversy, but that's never how it works. It's always, like, out of left field, like, I didn't even mean it to happen kind of thing, which is sort of what this week was like. It was just honestly kind of dumb. Well, I think it was.

[Drew]

I talked to you offline. I mentioned the fact that I don't agree with off the record. I mean, that's not even off the record. That's almost expectation of privacy. Now, granted, some people would say he had cameras on him, so he knows that he. But at the end of the day, I would expect that, you know, there'd be some kind of privacy in what, you know, in what was said. And also, we talked about this. Obviously, that does not cons. That does not meet. That doesn't meet the criteria of a threat at all. That is locker room talk.

[Brent]

Yeah, we would all be.

[Dan Crenshaw]

We would all be like, remove my man card if that's how I'm threatening. Like, that's. That's just the lameness, the lamest threat. And yeah, so a couple of things. I mean, like, like you said, the journalistic integrity in Britain is clearly not the same. That would never happen on an American network. I mean, it would happen with, you know, you're kind of your typical citizen journalist, just, you know, shoving a phone in your face. That happens a lot, right? Like, there's no. They don't abide by any rules. They don't care. They're just looking for clicks, see what kind of reaction they can get from you. But that was like a real network, so a little surprising there. I hope they lose a lot of credibility. I don't think anybody should ever do a news interview with the GB News in London. But in any case, it happens or whatever. And. But then, yeah, like, you know, so I see that start to percolate online. Like this. This reporter who clearly wasn't getting enough traction from the actual interview. He was trying to bait me on Tucker Carlson the whole time. I mean, trying to. Just trying to get me to fight about Tucker Carlson the whole interview. I never brought up Tucker like, you know, he just keeps asking about him, and I'm like, so, okay, interview's done. And. And then. And then I see him quoting me, like, with this, you know, kind of salacious quote, and I'm like, what the hell is this? I don't Even remember doing this interview. I was being pulled in really different directions. I was at the Jordan Peterson Arc conference. I was jet lagged. Um, so. So I just respond to Marjorie Taylor Green because she, she loves her clicks. And she's like, are you threatening my friend Tucker? I'm like, lol. No, like, it's. That's not a threat. And they're like, well, we have a video. Like, okay. I'm like, okay, what did I say? God damn it. And so. But I watched the video and it's. It's lame. The video is lame. And you know. Yeah, for the record, no, not. I would not kill Tucker Carlson if I saw him.

[Drew]

What is there, I mean, other than other. I don't want to say bad blood, but the, the issue with Tucker Carlson is that just because he, He's. He questions you on your insider trading, is that the only. Is that the only thing between you and him?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Oh, no, no. Yeah. No, you can say bad blood. Bad blood would be an understatement. I mean, I, I truly hate the guy, but I just don't. I'm not actually going to kill him. I don't first degree murder. Hate him. Yeah, but. But no, no. So this, this started in 2022. And he just kind of just did one of his, back when he was still on Fox. Did just this random monologue one day, just trashing me, like, for no reason in particular. It had to do with Ukraine aid. But he made. No, this is the usual thing he does.

[Reagan]

He'll.

[Dan Crenshaw]

He'll never even tell the audience why I'm wrong, why he disagrees with me. He'll never give the audience, like, look, this is what Dan believes. This is why I think he's wrong. He'll never do that. He'll just say, I patched McCain. So, so that's where it all started, like three years ago. I mean.

[Drew]

Oh, wow.

[Dan Crenshaw]

It was. Yeah, yeah. You've heard the term eye patch McCain. That came from Tucker. And it was just, it was just super insulting. It's like, it's like, wait a second, Tucker. I recall when Pete Davidson came after me and talking about my war wounds and how. And how offended you on my behalf. I remember that. But it's fine when you do it, right? Like, it's so. I. Yeah. I mean, and then. And then on about a monthly basis ever since then, he would do the same thing, just like insult me, come after me. So, I mean, it's called me sinister. Called me like all sorts of names. I mean, all the time. I only started Responding to Tucker probably in the last year or so, just kind of going right back at him. And so that's, that's where it comes from. I mean, it's just, it's just these like trading hatred for each other. And that's, you know, and he asked me on interview. I'm like, I, I have no respect for you and you have no respect for me. Like, why, why would we interview together? It doesn't, there's no benefit to that. It's not, it's not a good faith conversation. So I'll just leave it at that.

[Drew]

So, yeah, there's no, there's going to be no sit down between you and Tucker?

[Dan Crenshaw]

No, no. You know, we, we, we had thrown out the idea back at him about like a, like a third party moderator kind of thing. He, he did not want to do that. So.

[Drew]

Okay, is there a, with the whole. Well, I mean, I know we wanted to talk about a couple of things, just hot button things that everybody has already talked about. The insider trading thing. I don't know anything about anything of that nature. But I mean, I do agree with some things that you said. Like, so I'm a politician, therefore I have no ability to make money. Who's going to run for office in the future. I agree with that. You know, if. So I'm a cop, I'm a government salary. I can literally tell you how much I'm going to make in the next 10 years, every single year. But I'm allowed to have other ventures where I can make a lot more money.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, I've said that. And like, that's because I'm trying to get people to think about it as opposed to just assuming that because we're in Congress we somehow have access to a bunch of insider knowledge. That's just not true. I mean, you'd be much, you'd be much more frightened about what congressmen don't know than what they do know. Now, does that mean that every once in a while some leadership especially, you know, this is like the famous case of Pelosi where she was working on something very specific and it was like leadership only kind of knew about it. And then there was some very, I guess, suspicious trade timing on certain stocks.

[Brent]

Right?

[Dan Crenshaw]

That's what people pull point to. And look, maybe there is something there. I will tell you this. The FBI would love, love to nab a congressman for insider trading. It would be like a, it would be a career maker for them, first of all. Second of all, if you're going to accuse me of insider trading, I have to be trading, like. And so the, the funny part about this particular accusation against me is it's so weird because I'm one. I'm by far one of the least rich members of Congress. So I, I, it's, it's. It's always been a strange one to me, and it particularly off me, precisely because I'm not one of the rich members of Congress. If I was one of the rich members of Congress, I'd at least be like, well, I'm rich, you know, But I, but I'm not. I can. I actually, as you were talking, I just pulled up my brokerage account. I have $24,000 in there. Okay, that's always, that's always what it's been. That, that time in Congress.

[Drew]

That's the, that's the part where people I know, I mutually hate Dan. What's his name, from drinking Bros. What's his name? Dan Holloway. He's the one that, I mean, I think you took out a lawsuit against them for lying, but he was the one that went on. He said that it's significantly more than what you said.

[Dan Crenshaw]

He has no idea what he's talking about. And I put out a long letter to my email list to finally address this. I mean, a lot of this crap we just ignore, and eventually you just have to address it because it just percolates and my name is like clickbait. I mean, why did this British reporter do this? Because it's Dan Crenshaw. If it was some other random congressman, he, he knows it wouldn't get the traction, so he doesn't do it. I mean, look like I'm getting more traction for this nonsense and more trending than, Than another congressman who had, like, this whole scandal last week. Whereas where's the police report? Because he had assaulted his mistress who he was cheating on with his wife with. So, I mean, that didn't even get the kind of play that, like, my silly Tucker Carlson thing does. So people know that. The trolls online know that. They know that my name is Clickbait, and they, they act accordingly. And that's kind of what this is. I mean, like, it's. Now what they. I can explain this in a little more detail if you'd like. I, personally, I think it's boring, but this is what I put in this letter a while back. When you look at congressman's trades, you have to understand how we report it. So the only reason you even know I have any trades is because I report it. First of all, and the way the system is, you check boxes and it says, it asks you to check a box did you buy. It asks you to say what, what stock you bought. And then it asks you to check a box on a range of values. So it's, the first check is 1,000 to 15,000. So it's under $1,000. You don't even report it if it's between 1,000 and $15,000, you report it. So I check that box. But the thing is, is people then go assuming that it's at the maximum range end of that range. So you could in theory, like you could theorize that it's hundreds of thousands of dollars more than it actually is. But again, like I could just show you my actual stock trades. I haven't one. I buy and hold. So again, I'm not sure how I can be insider trading if I'm not trading. Last time I bought these stocks was 2021.

[Drew]

I mean, and it's hard because without asking you personal financial questions that you absolutely could say, I'm not going to talk about my finances with you. People have told us that you're, you're $8 million. You're, you know, wouldn't that be nice your net worth. So it's not 8 million.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Definitely. It's definitely not 8 million. It's definitely not 8 million.

[Reagan]

And you're, you're saying there's no way somebody like network is probably about in.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Line with somebody who retired from the military, was smart with their finances, you know, bought real estate, just like, I mean that's, that's, and I also wrote a best selling book so like that, that helps too. But I know no stretch. Am I a millionaire as a, as.

[Reagan]

A congressman, as a real quick. As a congressman though, is there, there's no way. And again, speaking from people making accusations, there's no way you would have insider knowledge of what's going to happen with a certain company based on your position and then maybe have other accounts or other people's names attached to them where you could be making money and not in your name. I mean obviously, you know, your name is your name and everybody's going to look at it. But there's people making accusations that you, you, you bought Meta at a very, very low point and at this lowest and then it skyrockets. And again, I'm not accusing you anything, I'm just saying what people say. And then all of a sudden you start, you know, Tick Tock starts getting banned and that band's coming up and now Meta starts Taking off and there's people saying that you knew to buy low and then to bash TikTok and then it goes up.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I mean, it's, we don't. All I can tell you is no. Can people break the law? Yeah, people can break the law. I mean, there's a few congressmen who were caught trying to sell gold bars that they got from Egypt. So people can break a law. Yes. And then they get caught. But you know how many shares I have of Meta? 10. I have 10 shares. I've had 10 chairs. Like, I, I, again, this is all public.

[Reagan]

It's like, but, and again, I'm, I'm not accusing you anything, but is you're, is it possible like that somebody could have other accounts or other. And stuff, you know, family members, stuff like that where maybe they're making more money than they report.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Of course. Possible for someone to break the law.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

And yeah, I mean, and you're not.

[Reagan]

Breaking the law in any way. You're.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I'm not breaking the law in anyway, you know, and yeah, of course it's possible and people get caught for insider trading and then they're caught. But it's, I mean, you'd have to, you know, I tell people, if you're going to accuse me breaking the law like Dan Holloway did, well, then you better be able to prove it. Otherwise I'm going to sue you for defamation. And that's what happened with Dan Holloway. I mean, I didn't sue him. I sent him a cease and desist letter because they were making very specific accusations. So they were making specific accusations of me buying stocks I've actually never bought and buying them right after my. Apparently, according to him, my committee did a contract with, with Raytheon. Now the funny thing about that accusation is I've never bought Raytheon. And also committees don't do contracts. That's just not how contracts work in the US Government. So we had him dead to rights on a defamation case and they actually had to retract it on their next podcast. But yeah, he's a jerk off. I mean, people, people just do this for clicks.

[Reagan]

Why do you, why do you think those specific things like your insider training and why make those specific numbers up like people, like somebody's seen it or has knowledge of it. Why do you think those numbers seem to be consistent across the board about how much and what you bought and when you got rid of it or, you know, how you got a hold of it?

[Dan Crenshaw]

I mean, I don't know. Well, I guess again, when you look, so there's, there's certain programs that people use to try and ascertain, like, how Congressmen are doing, you know, with respect to the stock market. But they only look at percentages. It's like, oh, my God, he had a 40% gain. And that puts me at, like, number 25. And the members of Congress, by the way, but nobody talks about the first 24 because they're not clickbait. I'm clickbait. So they're like, I'll do a grunchhog, Ed. He's making all this money. And I'm like, okay, well, I'll show you my brokerage account how much money I made. My entire value of the entire brokerage account is $24,000. And that's been consistent ever since I've been in Congress. I wish it were in the millions. I wish that, like, I mean, my biggest crime is probably not investing more because, you know, I buy at the dip. Like, it's just smart financial decision making. But it has nothing to do with insider trading. And if, you know, you should. People should. Can come and see what we do every single day and what kind of knowledge we get about companies. We don't get any insider knowledge on companies. We just don't. We don't need it. It's not necessarily useful for our legislation. People on Wall street have way, way more information, way more. I mean, they're studying it every single day. So it's, it's, it's, it's. It's one of these things. It's like, look, if it makes the public feel better, then let's. Yeah, let's not. Let's, let's make it illegal to have stock trades. Why do you.

[Reagan]

Why do you think they come in? Why do you.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I've said before, I'm in favor of that. Just, just ban it so we don't have to deal with it.

[Reagan]

Why do you think it's you? Why do you think they come after you?

[Brent]

He's in favor of banning.

[Reagan]

Yeah, yeah. You want to ban. You're saying you should ban everybody from Congress, anybody in the government should be bad from trading?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, I said I'm in favor of that. Like, if that came to the floor, I'd vote for it. Yeah, why not? I mean, like I said, I have such little skin in the game, contrary to popular belief. But again, the reason they come after me, I, I think I've answered the question is because it, it's going to get you more clicks if you start screaming about it online. It just is because if you start screaming about random other congressmen who are like, number one, beating the market and having like, the highest amount of gains, well, but if nobody really knows their name, they're really not worth yelling about on Twitter. It doesn't get you any engagement. That's. That's the reality. So it's, I mean, that's, it's a. That's the best explanation I can come up with. I mean, I got a lot of haters, and haters are going to look for whatever they can, they can find in order to just make your name trend, because in the end, they don't really have anything.

[Reagan]

What, what do you think, resident? What do you think resonates those haters? I mean, as a war veteran, every, you know, military service member, like, usually, you know, very, you know, look good upon, like people usually support a congressman that's been through what you've been through. Why do you specifically think people are coming after you with these, these statements that are all you're saying? Everything they're saying is untrue?

[Dan Crenshaw]

I don't know, man. I have, I have a special ability to make the Twitter trolls lose their minds, if you haven't noticed. I have a real special ability to do that. Look, this probably dates back years. I mean, one reason. First of all, this all came from the far left, right? This is all, all of these attacks originate from the far left. So it's, so it's, it's. That should be obvious why. They come after me because I'm an effective. That I'm an effective warrior against far left ideology. That's. I, I go on, on liberal shows, I destroy their arguments. They, they know I'm an effective fighter. Of course they're gonna try and take me down. Now that has been adopted by the woke, right. I called him the woke right because, well, they're really not that much different than the woke left. They're kind of single variable analysis type of people. They're in it for the click engagement. They're not really principled. They're. They're snowflakes, just like the far left is. If you criticize them, which I often do, which also gets your answer to your question. Because I criticize them, I call them out. So I'm dangerous to that because I have a platform to call people out and so they react. And that's kind of been going on for years. There's been this sort of war with me and that sort of fringe that is most. That mostly lives on Twitter. Twitter.

[Brent]

When did you first start becoming Clickbait. When do you think you became that? That title that you, you keep using that. So what. When do you think you became that? What year? What time frame was it? Because Tucker Carlson, you know, he says he absolutely hates you. So I just want to know, like, what, what brings him to that point? Like, I don't obviously know anything about Tucker, but, like, what brings someone to that point to say, oh, I absolutely hate him? And for the record, I don't think that you called for his death or anything. I think that's a. A silly argument. So. But what. What brings him to that point to say that he just absolutely despises you?

[Dan Crenshaw]

I mean, the fact that you don't know the answer is kind of telling, isn't it? Because he never says. He just insults me, he hates me, he calls me a liberal, and it's like. But he never has any reason. And that's. And that's. That, that's telling in and of itself, and that's the same across the board. I remember talking to one of you guys offline before, and you were like, you said you did a deep dive into, like, Reddit and all these places, trying to figure out, like, what the issue is that people are mad about, and it was really hard to find one.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Because there isn't really one. Yeah, it's just, like, it's, it's weird, and it's just, it's become sort of a bandwagon to jump on.

[Brent]

But, like, but when did it become clickbait? Like, when did.

[Dan Crenshaw]

And I, and I. I wish there.

[Brent]

Was more answer than that.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I wish there was a. I wish, I wish politics was taken more seriously than that, but it's not. And, and that's. We know we live in the Jerry Springer ring of politics. It's not good. People are looking for that, like, WWF match and that Jerry Springer fight in their politics as opposed to, like, substantive areas to disagree and debate on. That's. That's.

[Drew]

I mean. Yeah, true. Yeah. I mean, but it is good. I mean, I don't. I mean, I don't want to say good. It's good for me. I mean, like, when I, when I got it, you said, to be fair, you did say you had no idea who you're talking to, but, man, you know, you called me fat. And then we talked in the phone and you were like, oh, that was you. I didn't even know. So. But it is good. I mean, it's good. I don't know if it's good for politics, I guess, is a fair Statement. But.

[Brent]

When did, why does he become so hate? I don't understand. Like, he's a Navy Seal veteran. The entire veteran community despises Dan. Yeah, but, but so my question is, why? Like, what makes someone get to that point? And, and like, you think he would be the complete opposite, you know, so what, like, what brought him there?

[Drew]

I guess I, I, Dan, you, you really don't know when you know, because you do have a lot of haters.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, I got a lot of haters, though. I mean, it's a vast overstatement to say the entire veteran community despises me. Maybe, maybe like the online, like, vet.

[Brent]

Bro, maybe that maybe that's true types.

[Dan Crenshaw]

But the bro.

[Drew]

Vets.

[Brent]

The bro.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I have zero, I have zero public interactions that are negative. Zero.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I have a thousand veterans in a month coming up to me, you know, thanking me.

[Drew]

Well, I'm gonna get it.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I, I still go back to the, the SEAL teams pretty consistently going back next week. So to say I have haters in that community is, Is a vastly overblown statement because luckily, there's the online world and there's the real world, right? World. None of this. People, People don't even notice the shit's going on.

[Drew]

What was that? Well, I'm gonna go ahead and get ahead of it because people are. You said you had no, zero. You had zero negative encounters. What was the deal with. And I've only seen this once, and I'm legitimately asking you because it's kind of hard to hear. In the video with the little girl, do you remember that?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Okay. Okay, let's talk about that one. So that was, that was at a Montgomery County. I represent Montgomery county in Harris County. I was at a Montgomery County Tea Party event. And, you know, they're known to kind of be riled up and really come after you. That was not a little girl. That was an adult.

[Drew]

Okay?

[Dan Crenshaw]

She was, she was. The online haters wanted to call her a little girl. She wasn't. She worked for my opponent, who was running against me and accused me of not believing in Jesus Christ.

[Drew]

Yeah, I was like, I did hear that.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I was like, I was. I don't know. I remember what my words were exactly, but I didn't like that very much. I was like, Anyway, she wasn't a little girl.

[Drew]

Okay?

[Dan Crenshaw]

That's more like a town hall event, right? Where everyone is just getting on a microphone just to yell at you. Like, that's, that's sort of how those go.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I'm Talking about in, like, real life, normal life. I'm at the airport, I'm out at a bar. Like, there's. I've had zero. Like. It is. It's just the real world is very different than the political activist slash online world. It just is. And that's a good thing. I tell people all the time who are, like, freaked out about politics. I'm like, you need. You need to take us. You need to take a break from being online for a month and just go hang out with normal people. And you'll quickly realize you're not losing your country. Normal people are normal. And that's. That's my experience with normal people. And here, back in the District, I mean, so, yeah, she was not a little girl that was always alive.

[Drew]

That's interesting. Before we get into the main topic, obviously, which is Eddie Gallagher, some people are asking, what is your stance on Tim Kennedy appearing like he would like to enter the political sphere? Do you have any take on that or do you have any insight on that?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Neither, really. I know him. I don't. I don't know him well. I know you guys did your whole thing on him. He's always been nice to me. I. I haven't heard that he wants to get into politics. That's. That's the first I've heard of that.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I don't know what. I don't know what that would look like.

[Drew]

I don't know what that would look like either. Moving on to the. The topic with you of the night. And again, I appreciate you for your time. I appreciate you calling in. We've. We've said it. You know, there's a very few politicians will join Alive on YouTube.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's not ballsy, bro.

[Drew]

That's not scripted. That's not. There's no. We didn't. We. I will tell everybody. We did not send back. There was no template sent back and forth. There was no outline. You just called in.

[Dan Crenshaw]

So I want to answer actually, more specifically your question. Where did it all start? I actually will give you a moment in time, then we'll get to that. He. Gallagher things. That'll be fun. But. So actually, one of the. It was. God, just two and a half over two years ago, Morgan Luttrell, Marcus Luttrell's brother, was running in the district next to mine. I'm a big supporter of him and his. His opponent, who used to work for me, has no experience in life except for being campaign managers. He's a sleazy person, but he's a clever one. And they knew that the only way to take down Morgan Littrell, who, you know, had no record, he'd never been in politics. So it's hard. It's hard to have an attack ad against Luttrell. But what they did was, let's try and have attack ads against Dan because he's his biggest backer. And so what they did is they got one of their donors, this guy named Robert Marling, to spend about a million dollars, and they paid these kind of online trolls, like Alex Bruce, for instance. It was his firm. He's one of these. He's one of these who's always instigating against me. And it all started because he was paid to do it, ironically, paid a lot of money. And then, ironically, this guy also took $25,000 in PPP loans during COVID He hates it when people bring that up. So I'm not bringing it up. I'm just saying he hates it when people bring it up. What? That was, I think, the start of the online. Right. Realizing that, wow, this is Dan Crenshaw gets a lot of clickbait because people like to take down heroes. They're like, we love this guy. He's so good at destroying the left. Like, we loved him. But we also love to hate people that we love, don't we? And that's an unfortunate reality on the right. It's a cultural issue we have a name for. We call it rhino hunting. We love to do it. Like, we love to find traitors in our midst. And even if we can't find anything substantive, which they never can on me because everything gets debunked, Right? It's like, well, he yelled at a little girl. Well, it turns out she's not a little girl at all. It turns out she was a campaign operative for my opponent. Oh, well, he voted for red flag laws. Well, actually, turns out, did the opposite. I've introduced anti red flag law legislation. Well, he's part of the World Economic Forum. It turns out that's just so far from the truth. It's not even a little shred of truth to it. Like, the list of conspiracies go on. And then there's another one. Well, he tried to keep Eddie Gallagher in jail. Like, it's like I'm the only one who tried to help him. And then I sent you guys this really long document that brings all the receipts on exactly how that actually happened. So it's. It's. It's. It's a strange phenomenon that occurs, but it's. It's Been occurring mostly in the last couple years, and I can probably trace it back to that particular race.

[Drew]

All right, and actually, before we get to Eddie Gallagher, another hot button issue we have from one of our supporters is, will you commit to looking into the suspicious death of SEAL Team 4 commander Joe Price, who was found dead in his bunk with a single gunshot wound to his head? There's new forensic evidence proves that he was murdered. Do you have any take on that?

[Dan Crenshaw]

I don't have a take. I mean, the first I've heard that this was. I heard about it from your podcast. I asked, and so I said. And then I went back to Virginia beach for New Year's, and I was asking around about. About this. I would look into it. If there's evidence now, we don't have any power to look into it. That's. That's an executive branch function. But he. I mean, Price is an amazing reputation. Everybody loved him. I. I think people don't want to believe what happened. I have another good friend who killed himself a couple years ago, Robert Ramirez, and he had just taken command of SEAL Team one. Happiest guy. Like, I mean, this funny story that his family likes to tell where, like, I. I snuck my eyeball into his shot glass at, like, his wedding gown party, and he took it and almost choked on it. He didn't see the eye. Like, he was just a great guy and, like, an awesome family and was, like, at the height of his career just taking command, and it was completely inexplicable and kind of the same thing. We're like, no way. Like, no way this actually happened. Like, we. But it did. I mean, I, I, It's. I don't want to believe it either, but I don't. I don't know. I don't know any of the details about the Price case, but look, if people give them to me, yeah, we'll send them to the right people who could investigate it. I'd have no problem doing that.

[Drew]

All right, so, yeah, to the topic of the evening. Eddie Gallagher. So you. You went on John Burke show last night. Great interview. Go check out John Burke, everybody. He's been on the show, and you.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You.

[Drew]

You mentioned the fact that, you know, you wanted to address Eddie Gallagher's things on here, so I was gonna let you start with it, and then, you know, anything that we had to ask you or debate, I was gonna go after you.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Sure. This is one of those things I've been ignoring for years because it's so dumb, but enough people start to believe it. And message me about it. And it's one of those things kind of like the stock trading bs. Eventually it percolates throughout the Internet sphere and I have to address it. So I'm going to address it, and Eddie's not going to like it. Also worth noting that the reason he came out with this accusation. Let's just summarize what his accusation against me is. Is his accusation against me is very simple. I refused to help him and I tried to keep him in jail. That's quite an accusation, first of all. So I'm like, okay, that's. That's a little odd because I remember spending quite a bit of my time having just. Just started my career in Congress, because this is. This goes all the way back to. Yeah, my first term. I mean, this is. This is like February of 2019. We start getting. We start getting emails from Eddie's brother. So Eddie's brother is a former lobbyist, so he kind of knew how to work the hell. And what I sent you guys is this long document that covers every single interaction and every single email that we had with Eddie's family, Eddie's brother, and Eddie's wife. It culminates in a letter that I personally worked on and got signed on and made sure that the right people signed on to it. People like Mac Thornberry, who was the ranking member of past the House Armed Services Committee, because that's important. If you're going to send a letter to the administration, ask them to do something, you need the right people on it so that they actually take it seriously. I had people like Jim Jordan on a head of judiciary. Those are the two main ones. And the only disagreement between us and the Gallagher family was they wanted a different letter. They wanted a letter that just said free Eddie. And we were like, hey, we've done our research on this. It's not going to work. They're going to ignore it. Do you want us to just have a show of force for Eddie, or do you want us to actually help him? Because what we can do and what we think the DoD will do is improve his conditions. That's what we think we can accomplish. And that's coming from the Legislative Council on the committee. That's coming from the lawyers at dod. Like, we're actually doing our homework so that we can have an effect. And they're like, no, we want everybody to sign on the other letter that says that just freeze him. I'm like, okay, well, so. And they even admitted. And I have this in writing. Like, at one point, they're like, they even admit, like, yeah, no, we just want it for show. We know it's not going to do anything. And I'm like, well, I'm not in this just for show. I'm in it to actually have an effect and actually help it. And so we end up doing that. And it turns out, like, my letter gets. Gets. Gets sent to the administration, the Trump administration. We do a big. We combine it with a media hit as well. We get Fox to write a story about it, like, hey, this is happening. This is unfair. He's being treated unfairly in the brig. And lo and behold, only days later, what does Trump do? Exactly what our letter asked us asked him to do, which was change his confinement to something less restrictive. So I'm just like, how the hell does any of that mean? I tried to keep you in jail and refuse to help you. We spent massive amounts of time helping them. So for him to come out and make those accusations was you so far out of left field. And I can tell you probably why he did it, because you got to look at the timing of when he made that video. The timing of that video was like a week after me and David Goggins had gone at it. David Goggins was mad at me for all sorts of random reasons, and he made a bunch of accusations, said a bunch of terrible things about. About me. I think he said derogatory things about. And maybe not on purpose, but he did it about Mike Day. He said derogatory things about Seal Team 6, all these guys who can't defend themselves. Mike Day couldn't defend himself because he had just committed suicide. Guys in Seal Team 6 can't defend themselves because they're active duty. And so I did a whole video just debunking David Goggins and kind of destroying him.

[Reagan]

So one second, I read everything you're talking about, and again, I understand what you're saying as far as the. The way you went about it, but as a family who's grieving and somebody who is a hero, as you were in his position, I would think, and I've read your letter, you'd never ask for him to be released. And I'm not saying just write a letter says Free Eddie, but the family made it pretty clear from what I've read, that one of the major points they wanted across was they wanted him home. I don't think he's a flight risk. I don't think he's a risk to take off anywhere. He's a very famous person, and as a family Whose spouse and dad and everybody's living in these nasty conditions. They made it pretty clear that, that they wanted you to ask them to release him. And nowhere, nowhere in that letter, nowhere in that letter did you. Well, yeah, but I mean, again, you're trying to help the family, and I understand you're attacking it from a certain.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Point, but we're attacking it from a realistic point. They wanted something that they knew wasn't going to happen. And I'll tell you, here's something a lot of people don't know either. We talked to the command and, and like, hey, like, what's, what's the deal? Because I, I did so much on Eddie's behalf. I saw, I saw a lot of the evidence and I was taking Eddie's side on all of this. But I also live in reality. I know how the, how the judicial system works. You're accused of first degree murder. The command told us that he had threatened his accusers, so there was zero chance that he was going to just be let out on bail. I understand that's what the family wants. I'm sure that's what my family would be asking for as well. But in my position, I'm supposed to do what's realistic and what's right.

[Reagan]

But do you think if you felt strongly about he was being mistreated, you don't think it was important to throw your weight into that, that he should be released, even if it's. Again, the family. I understand.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I did get him released. I did get him released. That's debatable into much. No, it's not debatable. It's exactly what happened.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

And it's. He was released into much more and it's a much more improved conditions. Trump did exactly what we asked him to do.

[Reagan]

Well, the family has a different take on how that went down, so you.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Can have a different take. But I brought all the receipts.

[Reagan]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Well, I mean, they, you know, like, he just, he just makes these, these, these, these sort of wispy acts, you know, these, these, these vague accusations. But I sent you guys every single conversation we had and every single email that was sent, including, including the quotes from the family thanking, thanking us for what we did for that. And so it's kind of weird, years later to see it all change. And again, this goes back to the. Why did it change? And it, and it changed because I think Eddie just wanted me to make a video about him. I think that's what it was because it came out a week after I did the Goggins Video. And I didn't make a video about him. I never even addressed it. So the first time I'm even addressing it, because again, it's, it's become too public. So I'm like, okay, fine, I'll, I'll tell you my side of the story.

[Brent]

What was the Goggins video story is.

[Dan Crenshaw]

We did everything we could to help him. Him. I understand the family wanted me to instead, to instead somehow create a miracle and get him released. But you're not getting released when you're on first degree murder charges. You're just not. And so that's, that's the reality we live in. And it isn't a judicial process that, by the way, Congress has no control over.

[Drew]

Well, I guess they were. The family said that you would not sign the petition that they wanted you to sign. They didn't want two letters circulating. And you refuse to sign the one I, I wanted.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I, I, the, well, the letter that I told them that we were going to use. And that's true. But, like, is that their best argument? I mean, because, because my letter is the one that actually ended up helping.

[Drew]

I, I, Yes, I, I guess what.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I'm saying on Fox News and actually working.

[Drew]

I guess what I'm saying is what you so right, wrong or indifferent? You could have said, okay, I'll do what you want, but you didn't. You said, I'm going to do what I want. Again, right, wrong or indifferent. I'm not saying that, you know, if you were doing it because you knew what was best and you know the game or how easy would you, would it have been easier?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah. And I, I'm not going to apologize for that. That's, it's ridiculous. I mean, because let's also, let's also take a step back on, like, looking at this situation. You're also, you're also operating off an assumption that we just know that all of these guys, his own guys accusing Eddie are just all a bunch of liars. Maybe they ended up being liars, but this is a seal on, why can't he do both that they're asking me to arbitrate. I'm not a judge.

[Mike]

Sign the petition.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I have access to all the evidence.

[Mike]

And do his part.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I'm not part of the judicial system. My role here was looking at this and saying, okay, but he isn't being treated fairly. He's not, it appears like he's not getting access to the things he should get access to that we can write the administration and actually make a change on.

[Reagan]

Well, why Not. Why not? Why not do both? Why not do both? The family, I mean, again, because, Because.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I, Because I don't do things for show.

[Reagan]

It's not for show. I mean, you have a family that is grieving.

[Dan Crenshaw]

They knew it was for sure. They had admitted knowing that it would be for show.

[Reagan]

But again, they're, they're the family. And I don't, I don't think it's for show. I mean, I would want him home too. And what about, what about the families.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Of the guys who, he. Who is threatening, who are his accusers? What about that? Do they not.

[Reagan]

So do you. So you think he should have stayed in jail? I mean, is that what you're saying now?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Those are also team guys. Those are also team guys. So who do you believe worked under them? It's not my job to believe any of them. It's my job to, to, to, to look at a situation and say, you, you're not getting proper treatment. And I think you should be getting proper treatment. But it's not my job to be, to be the judge.

[Reagan]

But you.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I'm not part of the judge.

[Reagan]

I agree, but you took it far enough to get involved and write a letter. But you. The family was specific.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Which I had no obligation to do anyway. Like, so, I mean, like we did all of this for him and you're like, well, it's not enough.

[Reagan]

I didn't say it wasn't enough.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You are saying that. It's like, it's like. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Reagan]

It sounds like there was. Well, again, because you, it's not your family. So I, I'm not. And I saw the letter you wrote. You wrote it.

[Dan Crenshaw]

But again, it's an emotional argument.

[Reagan]

That seems very. One minor thing. Thing to say. Maybe he should be really. I don't think he's a flight risk. I don't think. I mean the Texas just had a cop killer get one of your. In your state, they had a cop killer get a bond for a million dollar bond that killed a cop in July. They let him walk out of jail. And then you got a guy accused of the same crime.

[Mike]

He just said he'd kill Tucker Carlson.

[Reagan]

No, that's different. But so it's, it's. To me, it's like. I get what you're saying. You attacked it your way. But I think the family had some, I think she had some word for it. No, not all of it.

[Dan Crenshaw]

And just go with it.

[Reagan]

There was one key piece missing. Where was them saying you wouldn't go out on the line to say he should be released. And then I, to me, you guys are almost on the same page with the letters. It's just that little part that they asked for you to say he should be released and you wouldn't say it. And I, I just, again, as a family.

[Dan Crenshaw]

But neither would, Neither would the people who actually. Matt, that's why, that's why I mentioned the chairman.

[Reagan]

I was told. I was told. And I'm not going to mention their names. I was told people in Congress, a representative from Florida actually would go on, wanted him released. And they approached you about.

[Dan Crenshaw]

There was, There was a letter with people on it. And, and again, that letter would. Would be ignored by the Department of Defense.

[Reagan]

But what would it hurt?

[Dan Crenshaw]

So there was, so there was no point to it. I mean, if your point is you should have just made the family feel.

[Reagan]

Better, I'm not saying.

[Dan Crenshaw]

But that wasn't my objective. My objective was not to make people feel better. My objective was to actually take action that would be effective and helpful to Eddie, and that's what I succeeded in doing. And so for him to accuse me of doing the complete opposite.

[Reagan]

Why would. Why do you think? If he felt. If he feels like. And the family feels like you did everything right. What is, what is your.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You keep using the word feeling, and that's exactly the right word to be using.

[Reagan]

Okay, so why. Why do you think that they think you didn't do it? Why do you think they think you did them wrong? Like, why. If you did everything to get them out of jail or get him moved and you did everything that was perfect and they thanked you for it, what is the reason that you think they now have this beef?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Because I think Eddie, years later, makes a living off of basically notoriety. Saw me do a video on David Goggins and want me to do a video on him. Because all, all press for a guy like that.

[Reagan]

I think, I think Eddie Goddard, he's a popular enough guy that I don't think he needs. He doesn't need that.

[Mike]

He's not that petty.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I disagree. I mean, then why does he keep doing it? David Goggins. You put David Goggins in that category. David Goggins didn't come after me for. For clicks. He's got enough followers, it seems like.

[Reagan]

Again, and I'm just from following both everybody on Instagram, Eddie seems like he's got a good family, good life going on. He's not in jail. I don't know why he. He. But why would he need notoriety to Come after Dan Crenshaw.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You need to ask. You should. To ask him these questions because I gave you all the receipts here. Like, there's. His accusations against me are so far afield. Like, you're trying to get me to explain his reasoning. I don't know. It's just. I just know It's.

[Drew]

Yeah, I think that at the end of the day, what people are upset about and I'll say is that a SEAL brethren didn't, you know, make sure that a SEAL brethren was taken out of. Out of custody, out of jail. And I think.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Is that. Is that our standard? Who was innocent, objectively, what you're saying here. I don't.

[Mike]

Brother, that was innocent.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I'm not the judge. I'm not the jury. I don't have the facts of the case. I'm not his lawyer. Like, you're just assuming that I should just count all of the other SEALS in his platoon who accused us. Him. Like, you have to back up here a second and be like, okay, how many times have I seen a SEAL leader, he was the chief of that platoon, get accused by, like, four of his guys on something so egregious as a war crime? Like, so I'm just. I'm just supposed to ignore that part of it. I don't know what's going on here. Like, I don't know the truth about what's going on. The only. The only thing I know is what his brother is telling me. And even then. Even. Even when I. And I made a lot of calls to the teams in those days, and I. I had to. I had to. I had to call so many guys just to find one or two who would be like, I know, Eddie. You know, you should help him. And I was like, all right, I'll help him. Everybody else was like, stay away from this one. He's a loose cannon, and there's a lot to this that we don't know. That's what everybody in the actual teams was saying. And then I call the command, and they're like, yeah, what? The other thing you don't know is that he's threatening his accusers, which is also why he'll never. We're never gonna, like, just let him out on bond. So knowing these things, like, it's a really weird expectation to have that I would just like, no, he should be free, because I know better than everybody else. I. You know, even though I don't. Like, that's a really weird expectation to have. I mean, that's like saying, hey, hey. I mean, Tim Kennedy is a fellow. He's a fellow guy. Well, why would you, why would you do this debunking thing on him? I mean, he's one of your guys. Like, why would you do that? It's just the same logic.

[Mike]

Handle it.

[Drew]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, when it looks bad, when all the other congressmen agreed to.

[Dan Crenshaw]

It's not all the other congressmen. So that's also just a lie. And there's a small group of them. But the letter that actually worked, that had the leadership on it, because, look, leadership is going to take a letter more seriously. Your random run of the mill Congressman. They're going to be like, oh, yeah, this guy seems popular right now. Yeah, I'll sign the letter. That's how they look at it. I don't do things that way. I take things seriously and I also want things to be effective. And that's why, again, like, getting. There was no way we were going to get anywhere if we didn't get the Chairman of Armed Services Committee to actually sign it, which I did. The amount of work I put into actually getting the right people to sign this letter and then get it on Trump's radar and get it on Fox News's radar and then be successful in getting him out, like, to accuse me of, like, not doing enough. It's so wild to me that this is an accusation or even a conversation we're having.

[Drew]

Yeah. And I really honestly think it just boils down to not opinions. But, I mean, you've made your point, and I don't think you're gonna budge on it. I don't foresee you ever saying, like, yeah, maybe I should have now, looking back, you know, pressed. It happens.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Because, because it would have been irresponsible because I didn't have the facts. Like, you can't, I mean, I just, and I don't have the power be willing to. It's like, it's like, why. I don't, I don't like sending letters. We do letters all the time in Congress. And I'm like, look, I don't like doing them if they're not well written and they don't have a chance at having some effect. You actually put some effort into getting the right people on them so that the person you're sending it to in the administration might actually listen. That's, that's, that's a key component of legislating and doing oversight in Congress. And so, and again, like, they knew it. I'm like, they, they, they admitted it to us. Like, we know this isn't going to. We know this other letter doesn't mean anything. It won't work, but we don't care. Well, I, I care. I, I thought, I thought the goal here was to help him.

[Drew]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, why not.

[Brent]

Just, why not just, why not just sit down with them and have that conversation? And I mean, just to squash. Because it's always going to be this back and forth like it's going to continue after tonight, it's going to continue. Why not just sit down with him and have the conversation? I believe he said he's talked to you before, asked to have a sit down conversation with you. So why not just squash it that way? So there's what's up.

[Dan Crenshaw]

He's never, he's never reached out to me. The only thing he's ever done is put out this again, this very vague video about how a bad person I am. He rambles on for 20 minutes. I have a whole word document with every single detail. So that's, that's the end of the conversation.

[Brent]

So, so you would be down to sit down and have a conversation with them or about what?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Like why? I don't know why. I mean, this. I don't really see the point. I mean, I mean, it's just, it's.

[Brent]

Just a yes or no. If you want to or don't want to, it's fine.

[Mike]

I mean, if you want to.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I mean, look, no, I mean, slandering me publicly for years is not a good premise for me to sit down with you. It's like for me, this has been over and done with for so long. Yeah, it's just, it's, it's silly and pointless. He just keeps it going. So I was like, all right. Told my staff. I'm like, get every email that we get, every interaction we had with them. Let's do a timeline. So, and I posted on my website, I tweeted it yesterday too. So this is available on my website.

[Reagan]

And, and again, I'm gonna play this side. Like I was 23 years law enforcement. When somebody doesn't want to face somebody, sit down and talk to him. To me. And I'm not, I'm not saying it sounds like they're hiding something or they're, they don't want to, they don't want to face that person. Like, why wouldn't you want to sit down with the actual person and talk to the actual person that is saying these things instead of hiding behind it? It's not clickbait. Why not private? Do it. Do It.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Privately, things to do. I mean.

[Reagan]

I mean, you say you're clickbait. You say you're clickbait.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Way more important.

[Reagan]

But. But. But you guys were SEALs. You guys were. You guys were in the same war, in the same fight, so why wouldn't.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You want a new thing in my life? This is. This is not a big thing in my life.

[Reagan]

This is like, two guys walking around.

[Dan Crenshaw]

This is the first time I've even talked about it.

[Reagan]

This is like two guys walking around an office that completely hate each other, that refuse to talk to each other, and it causes a toxic environment within everything. This is obviously eating up the press. People are talking about it. And I don't understand what you guys did, what you guys both did. Why you wouldn't just face him and sit down and be like, dude, this isn't what happened. Let me tell you face to face what happened.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Like, I mean, it's. He's never asked. I mean, this idea that he's, like, been asking to sit down with me is also false. He made this other accusation that, like, he tried to talk to me at some event, and I refused to talk to him. And that's just.

[Reagan]

He told me. Yeah, he said you took off and you wouldn't. You wouldn't face him. That's. That's what I was told.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah. What? Like, that's just a lie.

[Reagan]

So, everybody, so far tonight, I'm gonna be very. I'm gonna be very honest with you.

[Brent]

You.

[Reagan]

Everything we have said, you have said is false. Every statement about you on earth is false. Not one thing anybody said about you. It seems to be accurate. And I.

[Dan Crenshaw]

The ones we've addressed, I mean, you can find something that. I mean, find me something that isn't. I'll tell you whether it's true or not. But. But it's. Yeah. No, he's never. He never approached me at some event. I think it was a turning point event. He claims that he came up to me or something. It's just not true. I mean, find me a witness if it's true. Like, it's just. None of this shit's true.

[Reagan]

None of it.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Well, that's not true. I'm not saying not one thing. I don't know. I mean, okay, everything.

[Reagan]

Everything I've talked about, I just know, like I said, in my job, in my career, if ever, if somebody was on me about multiple things, like, everything is about me, I would want to address those people and not just be.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Like, I am addressing it.

[Reagan]

It.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I'm addressing. I chose your podcast in particular, to address it all.

[Reagan]

And I. We appreciate it. And I. Again, but I would say, like, you know, that you guys would just.

[Brent]

It would just squash all of it if they were able to sit down.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I have a different, like, lifestyle than I do. You know, I care. I chair the Defense intel subcommittee, so I have to. I have to figure out the budget for the entire defense intelligence enterprise. I'm on energy and Commerce, two committees. We have $880 billion of savings to find in Medicaid for reconciliation so that Trump can get the tax cuts through. We have a budget done in two that needs to be done in two weeks. I'm trying to get a cartel select committee stood up so that we can battle the cartels in Mexico. I have a few other. I have a one year old. There's a few other things going on. So, like, sitting down and arguing with Eddie is just not high on my priority list. That's why I dismiss it. I mean, like, that's why. I mean, I. It's just practical reasons. I mean, it's like, this is. This is like, this is the one time I'll talk about it on your show, and I'm not. I'm not gonna bother with it anymore. I mean, that's. That's just. That's how I look at it.

[Drew]

Yeah. And I. Yeah. Dan, I appreciate you coming on. You didn't have to. You absolutely did. I have to. I know John Burke vouched for us, and I know you got you. You know, you trust his judgment. And then again, I appreciate you coming on.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Let the document speak for itself. If it's 13 pages, people can look through it, look through the exact timeline of every interaction we had, and you can still think I'm terrible for not just advocating for his release. But, like, again, try to. Try to be objective about that. Like, that's just like advocating for anybody's release. I mean, that's what Democrats do. Like, they're like, just assume that somebody who's accused of murder should be out on bail because, you know, social justice and like that. Well, like, Eddie wasn't. Eddie was not a victim of the system.

[Reagan]

Okay?

[Dan Crenshaw]

He was accused by his own guys. And so it's like, it's seal on seal, and you're asking and you're saying that I should have definitively made a. Made a judgment call about who was right. But that's crazy. Like, I'm not on the jury. I'm not in the courtroom.

[Mike]

That's fair.

[Dan Crenshaw]

That's not. That's not a congressman's role do you?

[Drew]

Looking back and that's.

[Dan Crenshaw]

And, and looking. And I believed him. Like, I mean, I, I've never said, well, that guy's a bad war criminal. Like, I've never said that. That, you know, I mean, he's stupid. He, he was, he was texting pictures of himself with a knife in the guy's neck, and he admitted that's why he got his bird.

[Drew]

That's what he admitted, that he said. That was stupid.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I know, but, but that's extremely stupid. Like, you got yourself into some serious trouble. That's why you got your bird pulled. I mean, it's like, you can't do that kind of stuff. You guys know that?

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Like, and, and like the leadership that you have to be employing to get your guys to turn on you that way. I've done some really sketchy operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. My guys would have never turned on me. And I don't know anybody whose guys are turned on them. Like, something else was going on here that nobody, that nobody talks about.

[Drew]

So was that the suspicion for you? Because you say you believed him, which to most people I believe he's not a war criminal.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Right. Like, I, like, because I, I did know. I was like, okay, they, they, you know, for people who don't know the story of incorrect me if I'm wrong on the details here, but, like, yeah, they were in a gun B. There were some guys that they were shooting at, and they call in close air support. They bombed the building. Some of these ISIS dudes comes out and, you know, still alive, they take them. And then there's some kind of disturbing, I mean, disturbing video to people who probably aren't, who've never been to war. You know, them basically practicing T triple C on them, which is tabular what it is.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

But for the audience, it's, you know, you're basically practicing first aid on the guy. You know, it looks gruesome. It looks, it looks bad. I don't think it's a war crime. And I've, you know, I would never accuse him of that, but the reality is, is I'm not the judge. I'm not. I'm not the jury. I'm not one of his lawyers. And so we had to, we had to make judgment calls about what we could do to help him. That's what we did. And I just think it's extremely surprising and sad, honestly, that I'm being accused of doing the opposite.

[Mike]

That's a fair sign.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Like, the facts, the facts just don't back that up.

[Drew]

Yeah, again. And like I said, I think that the biggest issue is that, you know, you guys are from the same small community. And the biggest issue being from everybody, not me. I'm not telling you I have an issue with it. I'm trying to stay very biased in all this. But the. Is the fact that you knew in your heart he wasn't a war criminal and you still didn't vouch for him to get.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I did, though. But I did. I put my neck out on the line to get people to sign a letter to get him out of. To get him out of the shitty brig that he was in. Again. It's just. This isn't. You're still misconstruing the facts.

[Drew]

Well, I mean, I mean, you did. You exactly. You did that. I think that people would think that you should get him out. Completely not get him out. You don't have the power to do that. I understand that, but that's not how it works. Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

People have this, like, idea of what, of what's right and wrong for the legislative branch to, to interfere in the, in a UCMJ case. It's just, it just doesn't work that way. And, and you know, and, and by the way, me thinking he's not a war criminal, that's. That's a little bit more hindsight. At the time, we really didn't know. I mean, we really didn't. And you have to take into account the fact that there's multiple seals, like I think four, accusing him of these crimes. And in hindsight, and I go and talk to the team guys, like team guys who are still active duty about this, to get a vibe check on, like, what people think about it at all. And first of all, Eddie does not have the respect inside the active duty community because he trashes the active duty community and they have no way to defend themselves. First of all, the guys who are his accuses. Accusers are a lot of them still active duty, have very good reputation.

[Drew]

That was brought to my attention. I was told to ask you about that for receipts. Do you have anything proving that he trashes the community? I'm just out of curiosity.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I just thought I've heard him do it.

[Drew]

I don't know.

[Dan Crenshaw]

That's, that's, that's me remembering, like, him talk. I mean, that's one of the reasons they pulled his bird. Like, he comes out and just talks trash about the military and what they did to him and all that. That. And I think, I think you're. That's. That's Just from memory. Yeah, the. And. And your typical seal, when I ask them again, your typical still active duty SEAL is like, why does he do that? Why not just take the win? Like, you won. You won. Like, you escaped. You escaped quite the charges. Like, let's. Why not. Why not just, like, start your life over, you know? And. And I think that's. That's usually the opinion I hear.

[Drew]

Yeah. I think the last thing that has to do with this issue is the Goggin text everybody keeps asking us about. You know what. What was the deal with the Goggin text where you texted. I've seen it once. I think either you sent it to me or Eddie sent it to me. Someone sent it to me. Where you. You texted David Goggins about him.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I don't know. Texted David Goggins about. About Eddie.

[Drew]

About Eddie. It was. It wasn't.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I.

[Drew]

You know, it was you just saying you dislike him, essentially. You really didn't go into detail about anything of. As far as him being guilty of anything. You just said that kind of your disdain for him in a text to David Goggins.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I don't know. That doesn't sound familiar.

[Brent]

Could be.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I don't know. This is. We're talking years ago.

[Drew]

Yeah, I mean, let me see. I don't know.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I mean, obviously don't get it.

[Brent]

So I think that tracks. He read it and said something about him being. Being a piece of.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I don't know.

[Drew]

That was okay. Yeah, it was. Hey, man, listen to your Rogan podcast. Good. I had no idea about any of the shit that you team guys did making YouTube videos about all that. Again, sorry if I made it seem like it was ever in that category. I am not. I wouldn't have tried to get you to speak at my events if I didn't respect you and your message. Like you, I've been in the public eye since 2018. I understand very well how people will climb over your back to get higher, get more clicks, get a little bit more famous. Pieces of like Eddie Gallagher have tried to do that at my expense after I tried helping him get out of prison. That should never happen between team guys. God bless and Happy New Year. Now, granted, there's no name here. There's no number listed to it, so.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Oh, that's me.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Okay, that sounds. That sounds right. Like. Yeah, that sounds.

[Reagan]

But he didn't try to get out of prison.

[Drew]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Reagan]

So people didn't try to get him out of prison. He didn't try to get him out of prison?

[Drew]

Yeah. I mean, that was back when.

[Dan Crenshaw]

That was back when I was like, the David Goggins story is so weird. I did a whole video on it explaining it from start to finish. It's. It's so strange. So that was back when, like, I was still trying to, like, be cool with. With. With Goggins, and then. Then he decided we weren't cool, like, a couple months later or something like that.

[Drew]

But.

[Reagan]

And again, I'm gonna ask this. Words matter. In the text, you said you tried to get him out of prison. And here you. Tonight, you've said. And you didn't want to get him out. You just wanted to move. So in that text, you mentioned trying to get.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I. I think you're splitting hairs. I don't think there's a difference. I got. We. We were successful in getting him out of the prison he was in, and they put him in. I'm not sure where he was transferred to, but if. And if you don't like that, then yell at Donald Trump.

[Reagan]

I'm just saying, in my career for 23 years, I was a cop. I can't use words like that out of context. Like, I can't say a guy did xyz and then it really meant XYZ or abc. So again, in this message, you say you tried to get him out of prison. You didn't. And that's what the family asked.

[Dan Crenshaw]

But we did. Like, what are we talking about?

[Brent]

Are you talking about to another facility? Is that what your. Your point is? Yeah, to. He says he got him out to another jail.

[Reagan]

No. Or he didn't get him out of prison. He was still in prison, right?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

The family asked him to get him out of jail. Like, come home to me and your daughter and your son.

[Drew]

I will say that this. It is a text from many years ago.

[Dan Crenshaw]

The family can ask for that again. I don't know why we're still relitigating this like that. I don't. I don't take orders from that. Like, I. I hear what they say, and I'm like, okay, this is what realistic.

[Brent]

But your argument is he's saying I got him out, but he's just using that language like, I can be a.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Dishonest congressman like a lot of congressmen were, and say, yeah, we're going to fight for him. You know what? And they sign whatever letter and then they forget about it. They don't do a damn thing after that. That. We actually did a shit ton after that. We made sure that there was a There was a media strategy that we would actually get on Trump's radar. We actually put effort into this. I had way more meetings with Eddie's family than any other congressman did. Like, it just, it's just the accusation that we weren't legitimately and in good faith trying to help them is super offensive, which is the only reason I've decided to, like, make this document for you guys.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

And come on the show and talk about it.

[Drew]

Yep.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Because, look, look, if accuse me is something that's true for once, like, you know what I mean? Like, no, I didn't yell at the. There was a little girl I yelled at, like, just accuse me of something is true for once. And this one, this one just isn't. Like, I, I, we tried to help it, and it surprised the hell out of me when he came after me. The only, at the time, the only explanation I could think of was that he just didn't know. Know, because, remember, all of this happened while, you know, without him knowing. I mean, this was all with his family.

[Reagan]

Why not talk to him?

[Dan Crenshaw]

And for whatever reason, they were just pissed. And you can see the emails, too, about how threatening they got at me. Just even a couple weeks after meeting them. Like, you can see, like, how his brother, like, starts threatening us and, like, with, like, you know, it wouldn't look good if you didn't do what we asked. Like, it was, it was a really. The fact most congressional would just stop talking to them. Them. I mean, but we didn't. We're like, look, no, we want to try and help you. Like, this is what we've got to. We've got to do it within the realm of reality.

[Brent]

Yeah. So is he. So he's saying that he tried to get him out back home with his family. Is that what he.

[Reagan]

No. Now just.

[Brent]

Okay. Just moved. Okay.

[Drew]

All right, man. Well, I mean, again, I, I just, like, you're saying there's really no. I mean, there's no. You're very direct in what you're saying. You have not changed your stance on it. It. I think that just everybody wants you guys to sit down and want you to hear. Because you do have good points, and people in our chats are gonna hate me for this, but I don't care. You. You didn't know what you knew, and you had what you had presented in front of you, which was four seals saying that he committed a war crime. That being said, I agree. I, I wouldn't. If I'm a cop. I wouldn't just. Because if everybody came out of the house and said, he just did this to me. And then I placed him into custody. You know, I have to go off of evidence and testimony and, you know, I can't make the call to just cut the guy because he's a cool dude. I can't.

[Dan Crenshaw]

It's exactly, exactly.

[Drew]

And I get it. And that's why I'm saying. And there's a flip side to me, that if it was a cop, I would be vouching for him to get out of custody completely. But I will also admit that is blind brotherhood, and I'm calling it, and I suffer from it. And I would probably do it, you know, if, if there was nothing saying that he should stay in, then I would vouch to get him out if it was just flatline, no evidence either way. And I think that's where just everybody has a problem with it, to be honest with you.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, but. But the problem is. And like, like I told you, we did talk to the command, and they, they told us, I don't have this in writing, but they told us, like, they wouldn't put it in writing because it was still part of the investigation. Like, he had threatened his accusers. When you threatened your accusers, you're not going anywhere.

[Drew]

Did he actually do that?

[Dan Crenshaw]

That's what we were told.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Dan Crenshaw]

That's what we were told. And so that, that, that played a big part in how. How we went about it. But I mean, again, just big picture, though, civics lesson here. Like, there's. It's a different branch of government.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You know what I mean? Like, we're not, we're not. I'm not the DA in a local murder case. Like, that's just. That's not what we're talking about.

[Drew]

So. Yeah, my final question to you is, would you treat another case with NCIS differently now that you've seen the entire. Take your disdain for Eddie out of the picture and you've seen probably now in your time in politics, a couple NCIS cases go, would you look at one differently now, or would you continue the same? Not continue the same. Would you have the same mindset that you had then? I don't know what I don't know, and I only know what I know.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Of course my mindset's always going to be do what's realistic and within the bounds of both common sense and the law. And also, let's recognize that we're not part of the judiciary of the judicial branch, whether that's the UCMJ or a civilian court. You know, There's a really. We continue along this really wrong premise in this entire conversation, which is that that the legislative branch even has a role here. We don't. Like, I went out of my way to have a role.

[Drew]

You're just saying that all you could have is influence. Like, yeah, the minimal amount.

[Dan Crenshaw]

It's actually surprising that we were able to accomplish what we were able to accomplish, to be honest, because, yeah, that's all you have is, like, the ability to ask. That's, that's the separation of powers. That's how this works. So, you know what? I do things differently. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't even get involved at all because. Because obviously, no good deed goes unpunished. I mean, I don't want to say that for sure because every, every situation is different, but I. Yeah, I've seen cases where, you know, you're right. Like, I, I think NCIS goes too far. You know, you can ruin people's lives by just. By just accusing them of something. I've had friends who had their lives ruined.

[Drew]

We had a guest on. We had a guest on that was getting charged with international drug trafficking for taking testosterone to and from Iraq.

[Dan Crenshaw]

It's, you know, I mean, there's a lot of problems with, I think, the way that UCMJ operates and, and there's a. There's a deeper structural problem. And, and I'm not an expert on it. I'm not a jag, but, like, it seems. But one of the congressmen who was helping me with this guy Rochenthaler is now the Deputy whip. He was a former Navy jag. We, Me and him, like, talked extensively about this and like, how, okay, maybe, maybe there's some. Something we should change in the DoD judicial system. Because this case is one thing, it's a little bit of an extreme case, but there's a lot of other cases where, again, like, things just go straight to court martial because commanders have an incentive to, like, instead of just. Instead of doing what a DA would do, like, so a d. A will, and, you know, this is a cop will, like, look at the evidence right away and just throw it out if it's stupid. But that's not what happens in the military. Yeah, yeah, you know, the commander. The commander has the power to do that, but they don't do it because they, they want to wipe their hands clean of it. Right? They don't. They don't. They want to cover their ass. So they say, I'll just let it go to court and, you know, it'll be settled. In court, 99% of the time, the person's innocent, but. But their life is ruined. You know, this has happened. This has happened to my friends like this. That's. That sucks. Now, does that apply to this case? I'm not so sure it does, because this was. This was a unique one, but, yeah, that's a. That's a problem more generally.

[Drew]

All right, Dan, well, do you have anything else that you wanted to bring up? I think we've. We've hit all the questions that we had for you.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You sure? Okay.

[Drew]

I mean, there's more, but I know you said you wanted to come on a podcast to do an episode. We want to kind of talk about all of the things that you have stances on. On and stuff like that today.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, it can be a much longer conversation. I will. I'll. I'll tell you what's true and what isn't. Like you said, it's like, I'm gonna.

[Drew]

Find something, Dan, where you're like, yeah, that's true. You're gonna say, that's true. That's true. I did.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Dan Crenshaw]

But I'll own it. And I. I'll own.

[Drew]

You did just own the text to Gallagher. I will say that.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah. Well, it wasn't. Certainly wasn't a. I don't. I don't see anything wrong with that one. So. I mean, that's such a weird story with. With. Not Gallagher. That was Goggins, but.

[Drew]

Oh, yeah, Sor.

[Dan Crenshaw]

He's like. He texted me this just randomly one day. We never really knew each other. We were, like, kind of knew each other from online. And then he texted me one day, really pissed off because he'd seen this interview I did back in 2020, where I was asked by. Asked about him, and I gave some kind of answer. Like, I don't know. I didn't think it was a very negative answer. I went back and looked at it, and I was just. But I was just reactively said to him, hey, I'm really sorry. I wouldn't want to offend you, that kind of thing. Like, I think that's what that text was.

[Drew]

And then.

[Dan Crenshaw]

And then. And then, like, a couple months later, he was obviously not cool with it, even though he said he was. And. And then just did this, like, whole tirade against me, at which point then I, like, did my video on him. And then, as I recall. And maybe my. My timeline is screwed up because Eddie must have been coming after me already, it sounds like. And so. But that's when Eddie put out that big video was right after the Goggins video. So it's the Goggins. The Goggins dispute is just. It's honestly so dumb. If people are interested in it, they can look up my video on YouTube that I did a few years back on them.

[Drew]

All right, you heard it from the horse's mouth, everyone. Dan, I really appreciate you coming on. Give us your time.

[Reagan]

Time.

[Drew]

I appreciate the healthy debate back and forth, and I look forward to hearing from you in the future.

[Dan Crenshaw]

All right, sounds good, guys. All right, man.

[Mike]

Thanks.

[Drew]

Thank you.

[Brent]

Thanks, Dan.

[Drew]

All right, everybody, I hear you in the comments. Holy Christ, Eddie. I could show you right now. Eddie Gallagher is at dinner. He cannot join us. He just texted me and said. I said, you good to come on after him, or do you want to wait? Because Eddie wants his own episode? And he said, I can't come on tonight. I'm out of dinner. So therefore, Eddie can't join us. But do you have any super chats that we need to catch up on?

[Mike]

I have no idea.

[Drew]

Let's see.

[Reagan]

I just. I have a hard time with that story.

[Drew]

Well, I said so. One, I never thought I would see you guys pull punches like this. I don't. I don't know what punches I didn't pull. I have to be. I can't just call a guest. That's why I have my Mike and I have Reagan here. You know, they're. They're the ones that debate. It would be wrong of me to call Dan and just start tearing him apart. He could just hang up at any time.

[Mike]

It would have been a very short conversation.

[Brent]

Yeah. It wouldn't go anywhere.

[Mike]

So you got to let someone talk, guys.

[Reagan]

Yeah. And again, I. I agree. You can't just get on them, but from 23 years of interviewing people. From 23 years of interviewing people, that was nothing but fluff, in my opinion.

[Drew]

Yeah, I want your guys opinion on it.

[Reagan]

That was fluff. And I don't disagree with everything, but there was a lot of. Yeah, but, but, but, but, but he. He. I. I don't. I don't. I don't agree.

[Brent]

I have a. I have a really hard time with it right now because I hear what he's saying as far as the seal on seal, but also, like I told you guys before we started, I said, you know, we build these guys up to be war fighters and killers, and then we're surprised when they go, do you know? I mean, like, what. What kind of mindset do you get? Like, we should advocate for our veterans. But is that. Is that Dan's.

[Reagan]

But again, he has the power. And, and yeah, he can't go just get somebody out, but he's a big influence, man.

[Brent]

Yeah. And no, I, I, I agree.

[Reagan]

And he says he doesn't think he committed war crimes. Well, the guy was charged with war crimes. So if you don't think he did.

[Brent]

It, then you should say get out.

[Reagan]

And if you're worried about him threatening. If I would threaten my teammates too if I thought they were saying some about me that's not, not true. I would get in their ass. So for him to say he believes.

[Drew]

Tampering with witnesses, you can't do that.

[Reagan]

Well, apparently, apparently can't do anything but to say he don't think he did what he was in there for. Yeah, but you're not going to go all in for him.

[Brent]

Well, what about, so what about the argument. So that's a good point. But what about the argument of, okay, if Dan knows, hey, I can't just say release him if, but he, if he knows, hey, I can move the goal post, the goal post a little bit further to that and then you know, play the, you know, don't think moving an inch, move it an inch.

[Reagan]

And then don't add again. Just like a murder investigation, you're updating the family and somebody lost somebody or in this case, they're away. I don't think adding the request to have him released changes that doesn't hurt it.

[Brent]

No. Yeah.

[Reagan]

No. Just to say that to me again gives brings down the credibility of what he said, in my opinion. I don't, I don't think. Not again. I don't understand why you wouldn't ask. And he says he doesn't think he did what he did. He's not a war criminal. Then it's what he was charged with.

[Drew]

Ryan ashworth with 200 bucks, bro. Thank you so much. I don't do anything for show. Puts on eye patch. Hahaha. Clown. 200 from Wesley Pruitt. Dan, why did you throw Eddie under the bus? We tried getting that answer. I mean we did everything but ask that exact question. But we asked it. And more tax.

[Reagan]

Again, again, again. And I will say, but I wanna.

[Drew]

Get this one out. This is very Christian of you, Dan. For 100 bucks and Darish. So thank you. Go ahead.

[Reagan]

It's a tough spot for you, I get it. And people are hating on you in the comments for not being. It's your show and you can't just, again, you can't get on here and cuss a guy out whether you believe him or not? And I think, you know, you have to give him a opportunity to talk.

[Drew]

Well, someone said it's called a three way call. Absolutely. Absolutely. I can't call Eddie if he's Eddie.

[Reagan]

We, we absolutely.

[Drew]

Hold on, Mother. Hold on a second.

[Reagan]

We spoke to Eddie before we talked to him and he's out. He cannot.

[Brent]

Receipts.

[Mike]

And even if, and even if we.

[Brent]

Did, as the kids say, got the receipts.

[Mike]

Even if we did, this is, this is not the, the, the venue for.

[Reagan]

Two men to be arguing on a phone call.

[Mike]

Talk about. Yeah, two on a phone call. And, and they're not going to hash out all the details in this venue. They're two grown men. They can get together and make peace if they want.

[Reagan]

I, I just. Again, but this is.

[Brent]

But to take. But I will also see to your point to take the time to do these few podcasts. Why not just do one with Eddie and mitigate all those. So you're spending more time going on these separate podcasts like however he views it. So that part I, I do disagree with. I disagree him. Just, just let's just squash all. Let's have a conversation. If you truly feel the way you feel and or you know about like you really think you did everything you could, why not just have the conversation so you squash all of this and have a heart to heart or whatever. So. Because now you're spending more time going on these podcasts and again we, we appreciate Dan for, for coming on but. But again, but you're spending your. His argument was time because he's got these budget meetings and budgets to do. But if your argument is time than just me with Eddie and do the thing and the world. The world sees it.

[Reagan]

In my opinion that was just a, that was a, that was an ad for him to say all the stuff he's doing.

[Drew]

Super chats. Airborne Homestead. I'm pretty sure that's Tyler Wright. If you notice when the text message got brought up, he wanted to move off that topic right away. And his responses to the next messages were I don't know the Goggins.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Yeah, he did. When I was. He goes. I don't think he's. I don't think he knew that that's out.

[Reagan]

He acted like he didn't. He didn't even know if who it was to.

[Brent]

At the beginning he said he did admit to it. Right?

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And then when he said that was his. Yeah.

[Reagan]

And what did he say? So I got him. I wanted to get him out of pr. I got him out of Prison. He didn't get him out of prison.

[Brent]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I was talking about the. So, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He. Well, he got him. I wanted prison. Yeah. He keeps saying I got him out, but just leaving it at that. That, that's where I was. Like I was picking up on what you were saying. Just the, the language he was using. I was just getting him out like a prison. Not, not.

[Reagan]

He told him I got him out of prison.

[Drew]

Yeah, well, it's like, wait, wait, wait. So.

[Brent]

Well, I was reading back over the documents and then hearing what he says and I'm like, oh, okay. So I do. I could see how I didn't have.

[Reagan]

An argument that's me telling you that I did or a cop story where I, I did something and it's not quite what I did, but it's almost what I did. And then it comes out. That's not what you did. But he never thought that message was going to be seen by anybody. So he tells Doc Goggins I got him out of prison.

[Drew]

Tried getting him out of prison.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah.

[Reagan]

But he didn't. He asked for him to be moved.

[Drew]

Brent Huberty said 50 bucks. Thanks, brother. Said y'all gonna make Taiwa start drinking again? No. So, yeah, I mean, I think he's.

[Reagan]

Got enough power to make noise when they want something done. And you can't convince me of these government people. People can't make noise.

[Brent]

Do you think it's the role he's in plus the influence or the role itself, minus the, the influence he has.

[Reagan]

I think again in that community of what we talked about before the show, that small group of war fighting guys that are.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

Selected and, and have a mind that not many of us can comprehend and then they go through things we can't comprehend. Of that, of course that group of guys, he should, in my opinion, should have spent more now get more knowledge about what happened. Go to like I would think again. That's a very small group of humans.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

That's like the top tier humans on Americans. That's as high as it gets. So again, if we're in, we're just first respond. We're a dime a dozen. Right. But then you get to the guys like that are that like to me that community is so special that I always think not illegal, immoral. But I would think I would put more time into that. That because of how important, how close that group is like that to me. I would want, I want to, I would really want to dig into that and say if I know one of My guys a, a hero, a guy that does things that nobody else can do or even think about. I want to make sure it's right. And now I'm in a position to have that power to look into it. He's not the judge, I get it. He's not a lawyer, but he's in a position to say, man, this, let's find out what happened. This guy's sitting in worst conditions on earth. Like, let's, let's do something for this guy.

[Brent]

Like, he doesn't again would say back to that. I have. I did. That's what he'll say.

[Reagan]

I don't agree. I, again, I, and I, I, I saw what the family asked for. And again, I don't go, you can't just walk into court and go release my, he killed 10 people. Let him out.

[Mike]

But I understand what he's saying to what you're saying. Okay. And that it is just because the family shows up and says, hey, you gotta get him out. I mean, every family is going to want somebody out. They're always going to think the best of their family.

[Reagan]

All he had to do is run out the house.

[Drew]

My baby didn't do it.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, just being, being objective, just being objective. Not having a dog in this hunt.

[Reagan]

He just avoided that one thing to take the stand that not only do I think he should be moved, I think he should get out. And it seems like he avoided that.

[Dan Crenshaw]

He did.

[Mike]

But why would he say I think he should get out when he doesn't know that he's innocent or guilty?

[Reagan]

That's where he should dive in deeper to a guy that is that important to the America. I mean, this is again, you talking about brotherhood. We, our brotherhood is weak.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

These are probably the weakest.

[Reagan]

These are guys, man. These are, yeah, they do the worst. The worst. The worst people. Yeah, the worst. But again and again, I'm an outsider. Maybe I'm wrong, but the way I look at these guys and see these guys train and the things that they do that are, again, we can't even comprehend the conditions these guys, guys just in training go through, let alone real missions, I would put more effort than not to make sure that I definitely knew, especially if I had any influence to get to President Trump or get to somebody important or rally up 30, 40, 50, 60 people to sign something, I would think I would put more effort.

[Brent]

You do everything you could is what you're saying.

[Reagan]

That's what.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

According to his story tonight, that the, the efforts that he did is what got it to President Trump, and that's.

[Reagan]

Why it heavily disputed by the family. So, again, again, I can't. I can't get that. I'm not saying he's a liar, but I'm just saying that there is two sides of the story. But then why not talk about it?

[Mike]

Well, yeah, well, yeah, we went over there. I strongly disagree.

[Brent]

Save all this time.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Just.

[Mike]

Yeah, make peace. If. If you've done nothing wrong and. And they have a wrong perspective of you, at least make one effort to make peace with your brother.

[Reagan]

I know I can shut you up with facts. I want to talk to you like, if you're talking about me, and I know I can shut your mouth with facts. And I got this document and I got all these facts. I'm gon down in front of you and go. Just like you're. You know, I fly out tomorrow. You've been texting.

[Brent]

I can see that.

[Reagan]

I come with receipts. You know, like, here's the receipts.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

See, I don't have a big problem with most of what he said about it as being objective, but the biggest problem I have is that he's not willing to try to write a story where a significant family has a totally different perspective of the facts, and he's not willing to do it. That is either a character flaw or he's. He's not on the up and up.

[Reagan]

I'm too busy or I'm doing all these other things or it's not big enough of a deal. Come on. How do you feel about this?

[Mike]

Not a good move.

[Brent]

How do you feel about the SEAL on SEAL comment then? Because from that specific point, I can see if you have two seals and you got four over here and another over here coming at you as a. I don't know what it takes to be a con.

[Drew]

What do you do that?

[Brent]

Because you're your. That's your community. They're all coming. So what would you.

[Drew]

I'm gonna. All right, so Papa Penguin said he has been in Congress for six years. Why is anyone surprised? He acts like a politician. Even Buddha would have gotten infected by that corruption after six years, D.C. corrupts everything it touches.

[Brent]

I see that.

[Drew]

James De La Cruz says, how many seals does it take to change a light bulb? Six. One to do the job and five. Five to write the book about it. So what had happened was. Is that according to. If you watch episode 70 something with Eddie Gallagher, Eddie ran a strict platoon. Eddie wanted to go out and do seal. He wanted to go out and find the enemy. Well, his SEAL platoon wanted to Work out and chill. Like, why is this guy busting our balls all the time? So we already had a bad relationship with his seals because he expected, you know, they think he was reckless or they had. No, not that he was reckless is the fact that he was, he was making them work.

[Brent]

Almost like, why would they come out?

[Drew]

Almost like being a sergeant on the road and expecting all your guys to.

[Reagan]

Go out there or being like. We've talked about the generational differences in cops being a old school. Go out and get them and this new generation that's hiding behind their phone, sitting in the car, scrolling. So you have like a disconnect maybe of a. A leader that wants to go do the old school, which is. Is again, that's, in my opinion, want to go out and kick ass and take names. Then you got guys that want to hang out.

[Brent]

Has it come out, like, why those four guys? Because it. Because he's innocent. But why would those four seals, like, come together just because they were butt hurt over Eddie wanting to go out there and, and get some.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Or what?

[Brent]

Like, they're like, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna get Eddie. You know that. What's the, what's the motive there, I guess, is my question.

[Mike]

Eddie was on the show here and he gave his story. And I, from my bad old man memory, is that it's. It's a, it's. It's a show story that got out of control and then they couldn't backpedal later on because too much has been said. Too many people.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Spreads the fish grew too big. So then they had to find a fall guy, basically. Because I could see that. I mean, we've seen that over history where government, you know, will do some sketchy things, find a fall guy, and, well, cops.

[Reagan]

Cops do it. Cops will tell a story where you, you're the worst. Like, we all know an arrest. Made an arrest. Next thing you know, oh, he did this, he did that. Next, you know, the story grows to something borderline, like inappropriate or maybe it wasn't. And now everybody's fabricated this little. Added their own thing and, oh, I heard so and so beat this guy with a flashlight and it didn't happen.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

So again, it could be like, you know, well, before the body, there's no more body. But again, I, I just, I have a hard time.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

I don't get why they wouldn't just sit down. But hold on.

[Reagan]

What.

[Drew]

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[Mike]

Perfect. I have no idea why there was a problem. Wasn't on me.

[Drew]

Let's roll. Let's roll. The footage of the other sponsors.

[Brent]

All right.

[Drew]

Hope to see you guys a minute.

[Dan Crenshaw]

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[Mike]

And we're back.

[Reagan]

How much longer?

[Brent]

So that's the. We got two more and then.

[Mike]

All right, let's see. We got chat.

[Brent]

What do you think?

[Mike]

Chat. We got. Sorry to Change sub subject. Raven 2, 3. Last weekend, two Virginia beach cops were executed during a traffic stop. Prayers and support the families and first responders.

[Reagan]

Absolutely. We got hammered last week.

[Brent]

Yeah, every week it's.

[Reagan]

And then like I mentioned, in Houston they let a cop killer, Deputy Fernando Escueta was killed back in July and they allowed the suspect to bond out of jail. Million dollar bond we do have.

[Brent]

Yeah, that's bullshit.

[Drew]

Our Patreon winner for the week. Patreon winner for the week. Shane Becker, you are the winner of some anti hero and refracted wolf merch and some other merch we will send your way. We have somebody in the something somewhere. Go ahead and keep talking. I want to bring something up to everybody, but find it first.

[Mike]

While you're looking at that, James says the accusers said Eddie was putting them in danger by taking the fight to the enemy.

[Reagan]

And that's kind of what I'm going with the cops. Like you got a sergeant bumping you up to go get after people. These new kids want to sit in the car and do nothing. They want to make tick tocks. They want to, they don't want to get after it. So again, I don't know anything about it, but if you got a guy that's good pr.

[Brent]

A mat that's good pr.

[Reagan]

Yeah. Especially in that Shady oak or whatever. But again, it's, you know, and I don't, I don't know, I don't have any personal now, but if these guys want to hang out, work out and this guy's going, let's go get ourselves in danger and like go after the enemy.

[Brent]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

That's what Eddie talked about when he was on the show. Eddie said these guys, they loved their workout routine. They, they. And they did not like their workout routine interrupted.

[Reagan]

And let me tell you.

[Mike]

And what he was asking them to do do was getting in the way of their workout team and, and playing seal.

[Reagan]

Yeah. And have a sergeant get on the guys that don't want to go out and do anything of war crimes. It sounds like it went a little too far.

[Brent]

Let's get rid of this dude.

[Reagan]

It's like, well, No, I think the story got going, and this guy's a prick. He's a dick. He does this, he does that, then, oh, he did this, then he did that. And again, again, the fish grew.

[Brent]

And I heard this. Some of the stories Eddie told several years ago about guys getting mad at him about a Red Bull or something, he's like, you're mad about her. Here's 20 bucks. You know, like, you're mad about a Red Bull because I took it out of the fridge.

[Reagan]

Like, he was innocent, right? He was found innocent.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

He didn't even do it. Somebody else did it.

[Drew]

Drink the Red Bull, bro.

[Reagan]

Yeah. So there you go.

[Brent]

Yeah, like, that's a dumb airborne.

[Drew]

Homestead says, bro. Tyler, y'all were too nice. Crenshaw, back in December, took a screenshot of your show with Brent and put up an IG story talking about Eddie Gallery. I mean, everyone talks shit. In fact, veteran biker was in the comments tonight, said, this is nothing but leg humping for Crenshaw. He's been very. Now, veteran biker has been very vocal about how we handle some of our guests, but veteran biker needs to be wary of a man named Charlie Wilson, who wrote us a very, very, very long email. Still see me how long? Yeah, you're about Veteran biker. So let's, you know, let's. Let's keep the comments polite.

[Brent]

Can you. Can you shed light on.

[Drew]

I'm not. I'm not going to yet.

[Brent]

It's veteran biker.

[Dan Crenshaw]

You better watch.

[Brent]

That was long. So it's always the loudest ones.

[Reagan]

My brain was at capacity before we started.

[Brent]

Yeah. Wait, but no, you made. You made really good points. Like, but again, to what we started. So let's. When we talked about the. Before the show, like, what he's made the headlines for recently, talking about, you know, calling. But when people said, dan Crenshaw calls for the death of Tucker Carl, and that's ridiculous. You know, that's. If any of our texts got leaked, if any of our audio off camera got leaked, we would all be put in prison. You know, jail, whatever. War crimes, Guantanamo Bay. Like it. We'd all be fucking. So, like, so you can't. Saying he called, he's calling for the death of Tucker Carlson is ridiculous. Absolutely. That's. That's insane.

[Drew]

I do believe they did him dirty. Yeah, I agree.

[Brent]

But now people are gonna be wary of them, you know, as they should be. You know, if you did that to me here, I would.

[Drew]

Yeah, that'd be really.

[Brent]

That'd be really.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Brent]

I would be screwed.

[Reagan]

That'd be like me saying all that you said about your. Your department.

[Drew]

John Woolley says brain is at capacity. Listen, Copville is the. Mike here is the. Is the enforcer we needed tonight. Because I don't know, even with Brent here, it. We could ask pressing questions like I did, but at the end of the day, I'm not gonna. You know, Mike pressed him hard. So kudos to you, cop village.

[Reagan]

I mean, again, you have no. And I think. Think again. And I'm gonna. I don't care. I'll say it. I think he was lying. I think he was. And when I say li. I think he was backpedaling. If you. If you take any cop classes.

[Brent]

Technique.

[Reagan]

Okay. He wasn't lying. He was. I think. But again, the way he was. Yeah. Butt. And going back in this. These seem like very direct questions. And if. If I was in an interview with him over a crime, I would have some deception in my head that I just don't understand.

[Brent]

Yeah. We were asking. Was like yesterday, like when you said yes or no. Yes or no, if you want to sit down with them.

[Reagan]

Prison. Prison. He said he. Again, the text. The words matter. You can't say something in the words. Again, Tucker Carlson. That. That comment is nothing. That is absolutely. I'm gonna kill you later. Because you said something like. We all say something like that.

[Brent]

But, well, you're in turmoil right now. I just.

[Reagan]

I just feel like he. Again, I want to remind the chats.

[Mike]

I want to remind the chats that just because someone says if I was in the room, I'd. I'd kill him is not a death threat to Tucker Carlson. So that.

[Drew]

But, you know, I almost. I didn't want to interrupt him because it wasn't worth it. But I wanted to say when he was like, Eddie Gallagher sent me threatening messages. I was like, whoa. We just defined what threat exactly. And now you're gonna turn. It wasn't worth interrupting him, though.

[Reagan]

No, but.

[Mike]

And in the anti Arrow podcast defense, especially Tyler, some people are just saying that things were too softball. I will tell you. I'm just going to remind everybody. We've already said it once, and that is you come out. You come out swinging on a guest. They're going to. They're going to bail in five minutes, and you won't be able to get their story. What we did successfully tonight was get the other side of the story, whether you think it's full of crap or not. We were able to let another guy give his side of the story, and that was successful.

[Reagan]

Successful. Yeah. We Just sit here and call him a liar and yell at him. It's not going to go anywhere. He's going to hang up. And he's still a congressman. I mean, still a piece of. You don't want to, you know, just. But. And again, they can say whatever they want, but you have a show to run. It's a, it's still business. And all of you guys, you don't want them to come back. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you, all of you.

[Mike]

Guys challenged him on his answers again and again and he just stuck with, with his story.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Whether it's true or not, at some.

[Drew]

Point you're just, you're beating a dead horse. Yeah, he is.

[Brent]

Yes. You didn't know. I didn't. Yes, I did.

[Drew]

Yeah. He's going to say. And I going to say. And then I tried to paraphrase for everybody, like, okay, this is what everybody thinks. And clearly you think this way. And I feel like everybody has their. Is, their mindset's here and yours is here.

[Reagan]

Correct.

[Drew]

That's just.

[Reagan]

Well, nobody here is going to change their mind either. They've got their opinion. Nothing.

[Drew]

I've seen a couple people say, like, you know, to, I mean, you can't throw logic out the window. Like, everybody clearly does. Not like Dan Crenshaw. He was like, oh, the veteran community. I think vastly is like. No, I think vastly is a good word.

[Brent]

I mean, even in the first responder community. So. But, but maybe he does have a point to say vast majority like, or what? I don't know what was my language. I say the majority. Maybe I use that. So maybe that was my fault. But any comments I see on any post is. But negative. At least from what I see this. I could be completely wrong here. Here is negative towards him. That's what I was trying to figure out. Like, when did this all start? Like why.

[Reagan]

That was. Yeah, that was a good point. Like, what happened?

[Brent]

What was the beginning? Because I think it was in 2018 when he first came on the scene, if I'm correct. And like, what, what drove all this publicity? Because I remember seeing him on Joe Rogan and stuff in the beginning.

[Reagan]

He was real popular. Like, everybody loved him.

[Brent]

Rose quick.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And then eye patch.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

It looked cool.

[Brent]

And I don't know, I, it was, it, it didn't make sense to like, you know, what started all the backlash? Like what? You know, it's one thing, one thing. It's always something that seems negative. Like I don't see things positive. And you know, maybe he does and maybe he does have a point. All the stuff that's everyone online are always the loudest and.

[Reagan]

But why him?

[Brent]

It's like when someone. It's like a business and someone wants to leave. To get someone to leave a good.

[Drew]

Review, it's hard as.

[Brent]

It's 10 times harder than a bad review, you know, so. So I don't know. Maybe in that sense there's some truth, but I will say I don't believe it. And I told you in the beginning, too, before people think that I'm advocating for him. I just. See, I didn't have any arguments against what he was saying. I told you in the beginning we should be advocating for our veterans no matter what. Have a very strict stance on that. Eddie didn't go and gun down a whole village of families. Right.

[Drew]

Finding war crime is what he does.

[Brent]

And I said the example with the Marines that hunted down the. The Taliban that killed their brothers and they pissed on their body and they took pictures. I'm like, I'm cool with that. I don't give a if. If my buddies got killed. Yeah. Yeah. So. And I remember even, you know, being a young marine and, you know, not knowing. And I remember thinking, why are you guys all mad about that? Like, this is war. Bad shit's gonna happen. You know, like he. They peed on him. That's the worst thing that happened.

[Drew]

They were already dead.

[Reagan]

They were already dead.

[Brent]

They were.

[Drew]

Were.

[Brent]

They weren't going to come back a lot, so. And I think they were trying to get those guys for war crimes or something, too. So I think we should. If we make guys, if we make these guys, these elite killers, you know, we can't expect them to be 100% okay when they come back. Like, you know, it's. They've been over there. They're. They think everyone's trying to saw their head off. As you made the point before we started, Mike, he's like, everyone's trying to saw your head off. That's your. That's your thought. You probably dehumanize people in a certain way because of. They poured millions of dollars into you. Be a war fighter. Like, you're not going to be your only job.

[Reagan]

Yeah, you're a killer.

[Drew]

Look what he did. He did t Triple C on somebody that was dying. That's. Although it's taboo to talk about, it is something that's very common.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

You practice medical things. It's just like how they. They do soft medical training on animals. PETA hates that. That's why they got to think of out of Fort McCall outside Fort Bragg. Like they have to do it in a remote location because people will protest it because, but it's the best training. And so why, why would you let somebody just die right there when you could be like, well, he's gonna die anyway. So, you know, that's, that's what it was. It wasn't a war crime. But to most people that's inhumane. And you know, Walter Everson says Eddie was exonerated. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? It's not hard to plan a three way call asked Don Shipley. There's a lot to that. First off, off, Eddie was exonerated. Happened innocent to proven guilty. NCIS plays by their own rules. They, we've had at least three people on the show. John Howard, oh God, the Marine. They all have white boy names. He was, he went through a trial. And Eddie, like, they, they, they all have horror stories about being treated so unfairly. And the, the constitution doesn't apply to you with ncis.

[Brent]

So if there's anybody that the const, the constitution should automatically apply to, it's going to be those guys. I, I didn't understand that until Eddie's case when he was talking about, he's like, yeah, they will just keep, they'll throw out evidence, they'll leave in evidence that whatever narrative they want to spin. And I, I, I don't get, I don't understand that.

[Drew]

Watch the Eddie Gallagher episode. It's fucking insane.

[Brent]

I don't understand that lot. Like, what are they just trying to, are they literally, are they absolutely doing it just to justify their job? To get like, hey, we did this and it could be as meaningless as that. Like, we're trying to justify our jobs and our department.

[Drew]

Let me, let me finish this. This comment. He said it's not hard to plan a three way call. I mean, even if Eddie was available, I'm not going to bombard somebody with that. And that's just not what you do. And ask Don Shipley. Don Shipley ghosted us when he found out that we hold seals to, you know, to the same level that we hold everybody else to. So we were at one point called a seal bashing podcast, which we were not. And, and Don Shipley was supposed to come on remotely and then just one day said, I cannot make it, and ghosted us ever since. So he, Don Shipley also does not want to talk to us.

[Mike]

Someone else in the chats, they, they brought up a good point. I'm sorry, I don't remember your name.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Name.

[Mike]

And they said, you know, based on how we treat a guest from maybe another side of the argument, how we treat them will determine other guests that we might get in the future. Or not.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So, you know, we have to, we got to be a good host.

[Drew]

Yeah. And you know, it would, it would be the same thing as having a panel if I, if I facilitated the debate. Debate. I have debaters on each side, but I'm not going to sit there and debate them.

[Mike]

And how naive is it to think that you know everything about what happened and act like you know everything that happened and not let another person genuinely give their side of the story?

[Reagan]

I think the point of it is, is you generate talking points and then people hear his answers and make their decision like.

[Drew]

Yeah, exactly.

[Reagan]

Do you believe me? Again, most people, People don't believe him.

[Brent]

But you be the judge.

[Reagan]

I mean, here's the. You know. Yeah. You can't just scream at him. It's not going to work.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

I mean, again, we. He kind of lost me when he. There couldn't be a straight answer to sit down with Eddie.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

That was because this would take half the time to do it and it would squash all arguments. And if he's truly believes what he believes. So that, that's the part where he lost me. But again, I don't know anything about sending petitions and letters and, you know, the language that needs to be used and how that goes and what real power they have. I imagine it's not nothing. Right. It's not, it's not that dude in.

[Reagan]

The same room in the president at some point.

[Brent]

It's something he can get, he can get near the type of influence that he has. I mean, with his showing. Showings on podcasts, you could call it just from that level. Plus being congressman, it. He has weight to his word, I would imagine. So it wouldn't be. I don't see what it would hurt to just say, hey, get him out home out of prison. Not just out of.

[Drew]

Well, somebody brought up in here that. Getting him out of that. What the, the brick he was in gave him the shot at the trial that he needed. You know, there's a look at it.

[Brent]

So by getting him, getting him out of there, that got him the shot.

[Drew]

Shot. I don't know why would.

[Brent]

This was the comment.

[Reagan]

I still don't, I still don't see the reason because again, he's not in the executive. He's not in that branch that's going to be charged with tampering or anything or getting involved. So by him making a stand that he wants him out. He has no bearing on what's going to happen in the criminal case or anything. It's just his words.

[Drew]

And then this was brought. I talked to Eddie this morning, had my little coffee with Eddie, and he said that there's something called speech and debate immunity where politicians are. They are granted full immunity and cannot be sued for things that they say. They can literally lie and get away with it. Only politicians, though. So when you have a politician up against somebody that's not a politician.

[Brent]

So they can sue, but you can't sue them.

[Drew]

Yeah. You cannot sue them for anything they say. It's called speech and debate immunity play. I got you. And I will. Once we're off topic, we'll answer that one. I think you Richard cus. I think you guys have Dan Holloway wrong. I think it would be a good guess. Dan hates us because the Drinking Bros, they base all of their. They. They're big Tim Kennedy and Rob O'Neal. Guys, Rob O'Neal has a show on the Drinking Bros podcast.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Right.

[Drew]

So when we went after them, they just pretty much called us stupid and they blocked us.

[Brent]

So I thought they were behind y'all at first or something or like they were okay with it.

[Drew]

And then, I mean, they first called out Rob O'Neill. They were like, hey, you know, let's. Let's debate this. And then it. Then it like really like, oh. And it blew up and they were. They dropped it. We were still cool with them. And then Dan Holloway said some dumb about how SWAT should not have Bearcats. It's too military. Resist 2 military. And he's like. He said this now. Dan Holloway is a constitutionalist and he said that the police should not handle the. If this. If the police need bearcats and up armored vehicles, they should not be militarized. They need to call in the United States military.

[Brent]

That makes no sense to come on us. They're too militarized in the military. That's what he said.

[Drew]

That's after we called him out on that. We started of it was a breakdown of communication fast.

[Brent]

So you want to actually bring in martial law. Right?

[Reagan]

That's, you know, break the law. Really. You're not supposed to force stuff on our own.

[Brent]

It's actually bringing the military. Yeah, that'll look. That'll look good.

[Reagan]

Yeah. The.

[Brent]

That's hilarious.

[Reagan]

An A10 going down the middle of the street. That looks good.

[Drew]

Polite designs ask what's a good foot pursuit or jump out boy story that you guys have have.

[Reagan]

None.

[Brent]

None. You don't do.

[Reagan]

I'm not talking about. Everybody's roasting me for saying I'm a cop.

[Drew]

I hope you held yourself really well.

[Reagan]

I'm done.

[Brent]

Yeah, you did great.

[Reagan]

No, that was a cop like twice.

[Drew]

And they're roasted like me, dude. They don't know what they're talking about.

[Reagan]

That's all right. I. I sat. I ate donuts and sat behind a desk.

[Drew]

Dude. No, you were. Your episode. You talked a lot. I don't know if you told any jump out boy stories. No foot pursuit stories, man. I'm the worst. Have rolled my ankle severely. Okay. So I have video of it. Actually, I'm not supposed to, but I chased a dude and he was running, he was super slow and have you ever seen somebody like a lot of criminals cannot run fast? No, black guys can run pretty fast. Young black dudes will smoke you. But your average 40 year old male can only run about 20 yards before they collapse. Yeah, this guy collapsed on the side and he punched. Put dope in his mouth. So I'm like, you know, spit it out. It was before, it was right after George Floyd. I'm like, spit it out, spit it out. And then, and then I found more like he, when he had pulled it out, he was trying to, you know, and it fell on the ground. So I. So he had it. So we stood him up and we're like, spit it out, spit it out. He swallowed it. And I was like, well, I've got the identical bag right here. I had two of them and you just ate that one. But I'll charge you with tampering. But I have dope anyway, so it doesn't matter. And it was on the hood of my car. Car. And he's standing there handcuffed. And I was, I had an Impala, right? So they're like go karts. They're low to the ground. And he's standing here handcuffed, crotch up against the, the, the tire and all of a sudden he goes. He sticks his tongue out like a dinosaur and goes and ate it. And I'm like, dude, what the. Luckily. So. But yeah, I'd never live that down, man. They.

[Brent]

That's hilarious.

[Drew]

But yeah, that's, that's a. That's my foot. That's my best foot pursuit story, other than getting smoked a lot.

[Reagan]

My very first one, I taste like a 14 year old black female runaway. And I fell down in the middle of a bank, drive through in front of the entire bank. Just scraped my face, scraped my arms and she ran away. And I just walked back to my car. That was it. You won. You got me.

[Drew]

You won.

[Brent]

It was terrible.

[Reagan]

I mean, there was a full bank, like 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Drive through the bank, she cuts around the bank, and I just eat it right on the part she's running, it's gone. And I'm like, well, respect, my friend. Saw you walking through the bank bleeding. I'm like, yeah, that was me.

[Brent]

That was me.

[Reagan]

That was me.

[Drew]

How relieved TK Must be with the show tonight. I don't know, man. Every time, every time TK Comes, everybody says that TK Comes back in the limelight somehow. So, you know, I don't think he's ever gonna to, he's ever going to outrun that one. But.

[Mike]

But we'd have him on the show and we would be gentlemen and we'd ask hard questions.

[Reagan]

There's a great comment, Jerry Worms. What's Jerry Worms? See that comment? He said young. Scroll back up.

[Brent]

What was it?

[Reagan]

Young black males are like Olympians. When running for me, that's Jerry Worms. He was the first episode of Cops. That's him. Oh, really? Yeah, that's the OG Jerry word. Worms. 1989, Broward County. Stop Ross in the back. That's Jerry.

[Drew]

Well, I mean, you used to be able to say like, yes, hey, you're white in a black neighborhood.

[Reagan]

He says it too. He said. He does. He says. He says I'm the only white face that belongs in this neighborhood.

[Mike]

So I actually have a foot race story. There was. I was in Texas and I was at my parents house. We're sitting in the living room on a Sunday afternoon after church, and I see this guy looking very suspicious and walking in our front yard. And he starts jogging a little bit. I get up out of the couch, jump off the couch, go out the front door. My wife yells at me, don't you be a hero. And the guy starts running across the street. I run, I'm following him. I'm staying behind trees, and I'm. And I see there's this Dodge Charger, which looks like a undercover cop. And I'm giving him directions where the guy is. Guys jumping fences, I'm jumping fences behind them, just keeping an eye on him. But I don't want to get too close. I don't know if he's got a gun or not. But listen, lotion is dropping out of his coat, cigarettes are falling out of his coat. The, the, the detective cuts him off, jumps out of his car, tackles the guy. And I'm there just To. Just to watch, and he's just taking out lotto tickets and everything. This guy's like, yeah, my.

[Dan Crenshaw]

My.

[Mike]

My old lady gave me money to go get diapers, and. And I bought all this stuff, and. No, you didn't buy it all. He robbed the cvs.

[Reagan]

That's great.

[Mike]

That's my only pursuit story.

[Reagan]

I'm not telling any more cop stories. The chat was roasting me.

[Mike]

Oh, man.

[Reagan]

I'm done.

[Mike]

The chat. There's. There's awesome people in there, and there's.

[Reagan]

I lost my page today, and I'm getting roasted, man.

[Mike]

Now we love them.

[Reagan]

We love all of them. We.

[Mike]

We even like you talkers out there.

[Drew]

Yeah. And there's a lot of.

[Mike]

Bring it.

[Drew]

There's a lot of Brent fans in there. The Beta Brents that call them.

[Brent]

What's up?

[Drew]

We're gonna go out. I'm gonna have you guys answer. We're gonna pick an outro song. This is what we do.

[Brent]

Oh, what?

[Reagan]

One more thing. Don't forget, my page got smashed today, so please, if you like Copville, follow@Copville OG that's the backup page. That's now the primary.

[Drew]

Yeah. Go to our stories. It's in our.

[Reagan]

Yeah. I got Zucked.

[Brent]

135, 000 to.

[Reagan]

I've got a thousand today.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah. So now you got your backup account.

[Reagan]

Yeah, I'm at 40 something. Hundred. I'm. I'm. I'm there.

[Brent]

Dude, if it happened. If it happened tomorrow, that. Oh, it.

[Reagan]

Yeah. Dance shut me down.

[Brent]

Yeah, that's. That's what the room would have been.

[Reagan]

Whatever. If the backup page goes down, maybe.

[Drew]

All right, so tonight's song is Creed. Can you read that?

[Brent]

What?

[Drew]

Can you read the chats up there?

[Reagan]

Yep.

[Drew]

This is where we don't. We don't just read super chats. We read everything on the way out.

[Brent]

Okay, so I want.

[Drew]

These guys will probably roast. Y'all good?

[Brent]

I'm very good.

[Reagan]

I'm perfect.

[Drew]

Let's see it.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Roast.

[Drew]

Roast.

[Brent]

No D boy, no fun. What's that? I don't know what these Delta.

[Reagan]

Oh.

[Brent]

I planned my whole day around this. Put my toddlers down early and everything. It wasn't worth it. I don't know if it was worth it.

[Reagan]

No, there's a fireman here. It's not worth it.

[Brent]

I don't know if it was. You see, Patreon.

[Drew]

We do need tk.

[Brent]

Let me pull my. Let me pull on my phone.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Great. Thank you. Hi. Drew Peacock.

[Mike]

I want to see you.

[Reagan]

I want to see Paul Rich about what? Are you saying you were on it?

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah, he was. Copple gave it to him.

[Reagan]

I tried time. I was grabbing my stuff under the table. Tell me to calm down.

[Mike]

Needed bread.

[Brent]

Bring back the hot tub.

[Dan Crenshaw]

I agree.

[Brent]

That was.

[Reagan]

It's right there.

[Brent]

Bring back the hot tub. Yeah, it's in the other room. We can bring it out.

[Reagan]

We go live for another hour in the hot tub.

[Brent]

Bring back the hot tub. The hot tub streams.

[Drew]

So it's at 8 every Wednesday.

[Reagan]

Tyler's the hottest. Look at that.

[Drew]

Someone called you Paul Rudd. Hey, can you pull up a picture of Paul Rudd and my idiot brother?

[Brent]

Great live gentlemen. Cotville the goat.

[Reagan]

No.

[Drew]

Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of sport out there. There's people like.

[Brent]

That's called cop on cop action.

[Dan Crenshaw]

What's it called? Step brother. What is it?

[Drew]

My idiot brother.

[Brent]

What is this?

[Drew]

It's my idiot brother Paul Rudd.

[Brent]

When was this made?

[Drew]

I have no idea. Man, that look just like Drew.

[Brent]

See if I can do that.

[Reagan]

Oh, boy. That's your back feed.

[Mike]

There it is.

[Brent]

Oh, that's good. Good job, boys. Y'all think it'd be a good idea to go mil as work up to becoming.

[Reagan]

Look at that.

[Brent]

5 extra points here too, if you're military. How hot was the actual hot tub? Seemed lukewarm. I agree. It was not. It was not steamy enough. Y'all looked awkward as hell. Y'all were like this.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Were you.

[Brent]

Were you squatted down the whole time? Were you actually sitting?

[Drew]

We were sitting.

[Brent]

You were sitting.

[Drew]

Sitting on little stools.

[Brent]

Okay, Anti hero only fans live five.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Dude, here we are.

[Brent]

If you didn't do a patreon and you made it an only fans, do you think that would make it more marketable? Like subscribe only fans? It'd be the same thing as patreon. But if you said it's not big.

[Reagan]

Enough to see, you wouldn't be able to see it, I promise.

[Brent]

Well, it's cuz you're a cop.

[Reagan]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Don't get.

[Reagan]

I'm not a dance. I'm not a dance environment.

[Drew]

You have no proof.

[Reagan]

I got proof now.

[Brent]

Oh. Oh, that'll be good.

[Dan Crenshaw]

Yeah.

[Brent]

The counterculture episode. When was that going to. When's that one going to come out? Talking about dancing cops and dancing firefighters.

[Drew]

Next week. Yeah.

[Brent]

O, that'll be good.

[Reagan]

Is that the one we cut short though? We got to get more about 30.

[Drew]

Minutes that it's if it abruptly stops. This guy's a dancing firefighter. Not know.

[Brent]

That is not true.

[Drew]

Pouty fire.

[Reagan]

Let's go back to reading the comments.

[Brent]

Let's go back to reading the comments.

[Reagan]

Pouty face.

[Brent]

When's Eddie G. Question mark?

[Mike]

What's the oldest rookie cop you've ever seen?

[Drew]

Oh, my God, they're everywhere now. There's cops coming out of the academy in their 50s.

[Reagan]

Nice.

[Drew]

50S.

[Brent]

Did they stop at 36? 35 years.

[Reagan]

I'm close to federal.

[Drew]

You'd be a local cop.

[Reagan]

38. As the feds, you can't be 38.

[Brent]

Well, you got to do. You ain't got to do much to be a cop nowadays, you know, you can't. You can't lock anybody up. You can't do anything. So, I mean, you got guys can all just get fat.

[Reagan]

You can hang out with the dancing firemen if you want.

[Brent]

Come by the station where you can play some Halo.

[Reagan]

A shift eats B shift food and all that. Is that true? Are those meats true with, like, the A shift guys eat the B shifts? Peanut butter and stuff and all that?

[Brent]

I don't know. Allegedly, I eat everyone's cereal, but that's unconfirmed. Z. I'm se.

[Reagan]

Www.copog.com is my website and my new page is @copvillog. And I will be running my own podcast here soon on YouTube.

[Drew]

They said have a super chat to save the handlebars.

[Brent]

Has anyone heard Dan's war stories?

[Drew]

Dan?

[Reagan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's been to war with Dan, huh? Anybody talked about.

[Brent]

I have no idea.

[Drew]

Right.

[Mike]

Well, I know how he lost his eye.

[Brent]

Has anyone grabbed it and ripped it up? Like, you know, it's like, oh, so.

[Reagan]

You have a lot of people coming to Eddie's defense. Where's all the Dan defenders?

[Dan Crenshaw]

There ain't no. That's what.

[Brent]

That's what my point was earlier.

[Reagan]

Like, yeah, you were trying to push him. Like, where is.

[Brent]

I just don't ever see people's defense, so.

[Reagan]

Well, he dodged it with that whole, like.

[Brent]

But are. Is that really everyone's thought or they just jumping on the bandwagon too, you know, like that I was legit trying to.

[Reagan]

If people have support, the supporters jump in and defend it as much as anybody.

[Brent]

So, yeah, like, I'm like, I. I'll always advocate cape for veterans, you know, situation.

[Reagan]

I'm like, that's a fireman.

[Brent]

He should be convicted. What he said.

[Reagan]

That'S the sad fireman. Tik Tok must haves old news.

[Drew]

Yeah, the insider trading. I like, I. People are like, in public knowledge, he has way more than 24,000 if you Google it.

[Reagan]

It says he's got $330,000.

[Brent]

It was 330,000. There was one that said 121,000. There was another that said the Newsweek had it where he quoted that he only had 20,000 and then here he said 24,000 so and he couldn't have.

[Reagan]

Anybody else trading for him.

[Brent]

Right.

[Reagan]

But didn't call your buddy to buy buy this when this is going to go.

[Brent]

Tucker had the guy that. Well, Tucker had the guy on that was made the whale tracker or whatever the Nancy Pelosi trip trade tracker. His words is saying that Dan Crenshaw traded just under Nancy Pelosi. Now again, is that is that proven? I don't know. I can't. I can't see where he's talking about this. You have to go subscribe to his deal or whatever. So. And I did not do that. So those were his words. The guy on Tucker Carlson. Thank you so but it seems kind of all over the place as far as his insider trading. People were talking about the Meta Metaby right before and then him talking about signing the bills to ban Tick Tock which is Meta's biggest competitor. So but well again right now I don't have that. We don't have that in front of us.

[Reagan]

Look for a direct answer. One. One direct.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Reagan]

One you have. No, I'm not insider trading. Like there's the answer. Not like oh, I only have this much. I only have that like a lot of those millionaire like I don't know, man.

[Brent]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Reagan]

I don't think he really answered anything.

[Brent]

I was trying to, you know, I mean I was like still giving him the benefit of the doubt as far as his argument that he's given us. But the stories do kind of seem all over the place. I wish there was like 100%. These are all the trades. This is how much money he has.

[Reagan]

And I will defend him here like.

[Brent]

This is people on you.

[Reagan]

You just sit there and tell. I'm not going to tell you how much money I have in the account. And so I, I get that side of it. But there I never felt like one of his answers. I felt. Felt good. Like that was a 100.

[Brent]

It was a politician answer.

[Reagan]

Yes. Never did I feel like partial truth.

[Mike]

Not a whole truth.

[Drew]

I got him out his frequential.

[Reagan]

I just never felt like he how does.

[Drew]

How does it work Congressman Work? Like he only needs the people in.

[Reagan]

Texas that one little district like two counties.

[Drew]

As long as he was at everybody looks like world Canadian.

[Brent]

Some guy was talking about how his and I haven't confirmed this. He said it's like his. His district looks like a crescent moon or something. It's like he's like, it's the most messed up thing you've seen, so I don't know if that's true.

[Reagan]

Too little. Yeah. So as long as those couple thousand people, whoever it is, keep elect him, he's good.

[Drew]

All right, guys, we're out. We're ending the live. Thank you so much. We did two Creed songs. Creed song and a half. Really appreciate the support. Brett will be on next week. It'll be another live. It'll be a good time. Thanks, guys.