Squadcast (Live) 04/10/2025

Summary

The Antihero Podcast: Squadcast (Live) 04/10/2025

Host: The Antihero Podcast
Guests: Mike from Cotville, John Mattingly (Author of 12 Seconds in the Dark), Yusuf
Release Date: April 11, 2025
Description: Part Delta Force. Part Street Cop. All Truth.

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1. Introduction

In this gripping live squadcast episode of The Antihero Podcast, host Tyler engages with seasoned law enforcement veterans Mike, John Mattingly, and Yusuf. The conversation delves deep into pressing issues within the policing community, dissecting high-profile incidents, policy changes, and the evolving landscape of law enforcement in America.

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2. Texas Stabbing Incident and Racial Dynamics

The episode kicks off with a heated discussion about a recent stabbing in Texas, which has ignited debates surrounding race and policing.

• Tyler introduces the topic:
  "The Texas stabbing… has divided the country and it just depends on how your beliefs fall, who you stand behind." [00:44]

• Mike offers his perspective, emphasizing the racial undertones and the victim’s father's attempt to frame it as a human issue:
  "It's a white victim. … it's a human issue, not a race issue." [02:14]
  "The father of the victim said, 'this isn't a race issue, this is a human issue.'" [02:14]

• John Mattingly adds insight into media influence:
  "The media was trying to make it a black, white issue." [05:06]

• Yusuf shares personal experiences with similar incidents, highlighting systemic biases:
  "Within three days, I was arrested… because the guy was black and the family was protesting." [07:41]

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3. Law Enforcement Policies and Qualified Immunity

The conversation transitions to the impact of legal changes on policing practices, particularly focusing on the recent decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals regarding qualified immunity.

• Tyler raises concerns about police response capabilities:
  "Why are law enforcement now choosing not to respond to certain 911 calls?"

• Mike explains the new policies and their repercussions:
  "Qualified immunity essentially creates a bubble around the police officer." [35:31]
  "The courts have made it very clear that really any use of force at all is questionable." [35:44]

• John Mattingly criticizes the administrative focus on salaries over community service:
  "The downfall of law enforcement is command staff all over the country." [20:27]

• Yusuf emphasizes the financial motivations behind administrative decisions:
  "They're worried about their salaries, making six figures…" [20:27]

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4. Policing Challenges and Internal Struggles

Guests discuss the internal conflicts and lack of support within police departments, shedding light on the struggles officers face behind the scenes.

• Mike highlights the disconnect between officers and leadership:
  "Your command staff are the ones who are worried about their six figures…"

• John Mattingly speaks on media portrayal and internal bureaucracy:
  "They pander, and now, the sheriff was the guy… squared away. He wasn’t all up in the media." [22:13]

• Yusuf shares the emotional toll of internal department conflicts:
  "When you go home, they have no idea really what you're battling within the department." [103:26]

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5. High-Profile Cases: Derek Chauvin and George Floyd

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the Derek Chauvin trial and its broader implications for policing and public perception.

• Mike critiques Chauvin’s actions and the trial outcome:
  "He should have been tried for the lesser charge of manslaughter… he was negligent." [55:42]

• Tyler questions the credibility of the “I can’t breathe” plea:
  "He said, I can't breathe. Like, five times before he was even on the ground." [56:35]

• Yusuf argues the trial was biased from the start:
  "He was never going to get a fair trial no matter what." [59:14]

• John Mattingly emphasizes the misuse of “perception” in legal contexts:
  "Cops are now getting tried and convicted on perception as opposed to facts." [62:53]

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6. Mental Health Crisis Responses

The guests delve into the complexities of police responses to mental health emergencies, underscoring the inadequacies and dangers posed by current protocols.

• Yusuf discusses the challenges of transporting individuals in crisis:
  "Where do I take them? I got him… Now the jail won't take them. Where do I take them?" [43:10]

• Mike points out the limitations of current de-escalation techniques:
  "Once they don't come out, you leave. … Qualified immunity is gone, and it's a bubble." [35:27]

• John Mattingly advocates for specialized mental health units:
  "Why don't we just create mental health units?" [39:33]

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7. Police Training and De-escalation Techniques

Effective communication and de-escalation strategies are highlighted as crucial components missing in current police training.

• Mike emphasizes the need for adaptability:
  "You have to figure out where to put the… You just have to figure that out yourself." [90:06]

• John Mattingly stresses the importance of negotiation skills:
  "Find your angle. Find out how to talk to people." [89:56]

• Tyler shares personal anecdotes on handling diverse situations:
  "I told new guys, you cannot talk to people the same way you talk to others." [89:59]

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8. High-Profile Incidents and Media Coverage

The podcast touches upon various high-profile incidents, including helicopter crashes and police shootings, dissecting the media's role in shaping public perception.

• Tyler and Mike discuss the helicopter crash in New York City’s Hudson River, analyzing the fragmented responses and lack of accountability:
  "Six people died… it just came apart midair." [32:25]

• John Mattingly and Mike critique the inconsistent media narratives surrounding police actions:
  "The media is pushing a narrative that doesn't exist." [18:00]

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9. Personal Stories and Experiences

Throughout the episode, guests share personal stories and experiences from their law enforcement careers, highlighting the emotional and psychological burdens they bear.

• Yusuf recounts being wrongfully incarcerated and the ensuing struggles:
  "Just him and God in a jail cell… found not guilty." [08:19]

• Mike discusses the realization that police work can lead to personal downfall despite dedication:
  "We wear it both directions. Too little and we feel like too much." [44:30]

• John Mattingly shares the trauma of witnessing excessive force and institutional corruption:
  "They threatened my attorney with losing his MD license if he didn’t change the autopsy." [62:53]

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10. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

In the closing segment, the guests reflect on life after law enforcement, emphasizing the importance of personal growth and financial independence outside the policing world.

• Yusuf encourages former officers to pursue entrepreneurial ventures:
  "Empower yourself. Go out there and control your money." [116:50]

• Mike and John Mattingly echo the sentiment, advocating for leaving the force before burnout:
  "20 years is way too long… there is nothing else to do." [120:07]
  "The job is tough, but life outside is brighter when you leave." [120:16]

• Tyler wraps up the episode with gratitude towards the guests and community:
  "Appreciate Mike coming in, co-hosting as always. Appreciate John Mattingly for showing up. Appreciate Yousef for showing up." [125:43]

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Notable Quotes

• Mike:
  "It's a white victim. … it's a human issue, not a race issue." [02:14]
  "Qualified immunity essentially creates a bubble around the police officer." [35:31]
  "I think he should have been tried for the lesser charge of manslaughter." [55:42]

• John Mattingly:
  "The media was trying to make it a black, white issue." [05:06]
  "Cops are now getting tried and convicted on perception as opposed to facts." [62:53]
  "Why don't we just create mental health units?" [39:33]

• Yusuf:
  "Where do I take them? I got him… Now the jail won't take them. Where do I take them?" [43:10]
  "Empower yourself. Go out there and control your money." [116:50]
  "When law enforcement turns their back on you, it's a reality check." [117:24]

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Conclusion

This episode of The Antihero Podcast offers a raw and unfiltered look into the challenges faced by modern law enforcement officers. Through candid discussions and personal anecdotes, the guests expose the systemic issues plaguing the police force, from racial biases and policy changes to internal conflicts and mental health crises. The conversation underscores the urgent need for reform and support within the policing community, while also highlighting the resilience and dedication of those who serve.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections to focus solely on the substantive discussions and insights shared during the episode.

Transcript

[Tyler]

And then go to editor. We on. Welcome back to another Thursday Night Live. We got a hell of an episode with you. We got Mike from Cotville, we got John Mattingly, author of 12 Seconds in the Dark, and we got Yusuf back here. Thursday Night Live. We're going to cover all kinds of topics. The Texas stabbing, the jacked SF dude that de escalated the police, Sacramento, are they gonna respond to calls? And the Hudson river eats another helicopter. All that more Thursday night squadcast.

[Mike]

Put your wife.

[Tyler]

It's ah, Thursday nights for the boys. How you guys doing?

[Yusuf]

Good, good, good.

[Mike]

Thank you, Mike.

[Tyler]

My ride or die. My brethren from counterculture here, filling in for Brent essentially. And then these two guys hit me up this week and we're in town, so I appreciate you guys coming on. So you guys want to hit the big topic first, which we'll probably talk about the most is the Texas stabbing. That has now become another seems like political race war and it has divided the country and it just depends on how your beliefs falls, who you stand behind.

[Mike]

Yeah, I think it has and it hasn't because no cities have burned, nothing's fallen. And I think the obvious elephant is that it's a white victim. Yeah, it's a white victim. And I struggled with even like how to say that, but that's plain English. It's facts, it's not racial. And the father of the victim actually said, the father of the victim said, this is not a race issue, this is a human issue. So right out of the gate, diffused by the victim's father saying, hey, this isn't about race. This is a kid stabbed another kid. So I think that's a huge start to keep it from being a huge racial issue, which it obviously is going to be at some point even worse than it is now. But that that's a good step in the right direction, that it's a human issue, not a race issue.

[John Mattingly]

Right. But I mean, very seldom do we have the flare up of the race issue the opposite way.

[Mike]

Correct, Correct. And that's I think what the topic needs to be.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Why is that?

[Tyler]

Well, I mean there's all kinds of things going around, around that that aren't true. Obviously he was not a upstanding citizen as his social media has portrayed. He's now he says they were air. His family said they were guns that he is posing with, but he is posing with guns on his social media. And then on top of that, he's got a go fun. He had a GoFundMe, but then GoFundMe said we can't support this because it's a. You're being charged with a crime. So they pulled it, but then they got another one. And they're still. They're still. They're at $300,000 raised for this guy.

[Mike]

And it's. It's. It's one of those things where when it's flipped like this. Nothing. Nothing. You. It. Nothing happened. Like this is. Unfortunately, this is how it should. This tragedy, to me, brings a light. This is how everything should be. You. You get a cop shoots a guy with a gun in his hand, and cities burn and. And. And businesses tumble. When the facts are right in front of your face. These facts are still coming out. The story is still developing. You don't know everything that was said, but people are stepping back and let justice and the investigation happen. And that, I think, is the biggest light here. If this was opposite. And that's the easiest thing to say, and I'll say, if it was the opposite, I think there would be riots in Dallas. I think Dallas would be burning opposite.

[Tyler]

What do you mean?

[Mike]

If it was a black, black victim and a white kid, this would be out of control right now. And then it leads to the whole chain reaction of an unfair trial, unfair venue. You can't get anything done because now the cops are busy watching like, Minnesota burn and, you know, Minneapolis burn. That's what would have happened in Dallas. That's what would have happened if this was opposite. And that's. That's. I believe that wholeheartedly.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

And we all work the streets for years, so we understand something like this happens every day, every shift, every city.

[Tyler]

Why are we hearing about this one?

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Across the country.

[John Mattingly]

Because they're trying. The media was trying to make it a black, white issue.

[Tyler]

Ah. I mean, it. What happened? Because it seems like it wasn't a very long altercation. And then. Why? Why. And I'm just, for all intents purposes, I'm gonna say white kid and black kid. Why did the white kid put his hands on the black?

[Mike]

It started with. They all have tents. Like, there's a. Like a little venue of the track meet, so everybody's got their own little tent. I guess it started to rain. And the. The best stories I've read up on were the black kid was asked to step out of that team's tent, and it was something like, make me. And then there was kids saying he was reaching around in a bag, like, make me. And then the white kids said, no, you're gonna. You're gonna get out of the Tent. Put your hands on you, see what happens. And then I guess he shoves them, pushes them. That's the best I can get because it's very scarce. I even read the report, and he gets stabbed in the heart and dies.

[Tyler]

Oh, you read the police report?

[Mike]

Yeah, it was online. So some people are saying, why does a kid have a. A knife in his backpack at a track meet? And I heard, like, Officer Tatum talking about it, like, what parents are raising a kid that are. That's bringing a knife to a track?

[Tyler]

Was he at the track? Me?

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I don't know. I don't know if he's on a.

[Yusuf]

I think he played on the opposite team.

[Mike]

So he's on another team. But something like that, that's in your bag of tricks for a track. Me, I don't know. That knife is one of them.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, so what? And then immediately, from what I read, he immediately took responsibility. Like he said, isn't this self defense? Is a self defense. Which is a strange thing to say when you're in such a traumatic incident. If you're. Whore. If you. I mean, you shot somebody, like, you shoot somebody, I don't think the first thing is like, oh, I'm good. I'm just self defense.

[Tyler]

I would be like, this is why.

[Mike]

Yeah, but as a cop, I think.

[Tyler]

You would, because you're trying.

[Mike]

Brain is trained to do that. But as a civilian who's never been in that situation before, to immediately start talking about, isn't this self defense? And then I read the report where the cop says, well, this is the alleged suspect. He goes, no, I'm not the alleged suspect. I did it. But he was like, I'm the guy. Like, you got the right guy. But this is self defense. So it's just. That part is very strange. Very strange.

[Tyler]

It's like the first thing we're ever debating that's not on video. There's like, well, no, Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't on video, was it?

[Mike]

Some of it was.

[Tyler]

Some of it was. And I'm trying to think of other racy topics that we. That was pretty. But this is. There's no video footage of this.

[John Mattingly]

There was no video footage of mine.

[Tyler]

Well, that was the problem. Yours was spicy, too.

[Yusuf]

Yeah, mine didn't have any video. But, of course, within three days, I was arrested, you know, by fdle, because the guy was black and the family was protesting. They were gathering protest all across the city. And they actually told me to leave. The sheriff's office told me to leave the county due to Threats online that were coming in. But within three days, I was arrested.

[Tyler]

Let's put you in a jail cell. That'll make you safe. So if you guys don't know, if you haven't seen all three of these gentlemen have been on the antihero podcast, Yousef. Yours was called. What was your title? Did you have.

[Yusuf]

Not Guilty.

[Tyler]

Not Guilty. That's a phenomenal episode. Yousef's story about doing the right thing. What would you call that? I mean, it was a. It was a fatal shooting, but, you know, he was wrongfully incarcerated. Had to fight an uphill battle, literally just him and God in a jail cell and, you know, found not guilty. And then John Mattingly came on and told. Blew our minds with the facts of Breonna Taylor that no one knew because the media doesn't cover it.

[Mike]

Right. I heard it for the first time before the show and I could. I had no idea that any of that even happened. Yeah, like those are very important facts that you have that would change a lot of minds or change a lot. And they just don't tell them, which is common. And I think it's gonna happen with this.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's.

[Mike]

It's. I don't. Like I said I hate. You know, the news articles start popping up. The kid saved somebody when he was drowning. They post that, like, what relevance does that have to the fact that he stabbed somebod?

[Tyler]

Oh, they're saying he's a good person.

[Mike]

Like that'd be like the equivalent like we just talked about Shovon. So that's hot in my head is like, oh, he saved somebody last week. Or he said nobody would have gave a. What he did last week. Like, that was the day he did that. He was dead to everybody that day. But then this kid gets the benefit of. Well, he was. He did this last week or last year. You did the. You saved somebody drowning and that holds weight. And it doesn't hold weight for. On our side because as you all know, we can do our whole career right and make a 22nd decision that we thought was right. And it can be the wrongest thing you ever did, and your entire life is over. Not one very little people are coming to your defense. And they're surely not gonna. They're surely not gonna get the media.

[Tyler]

The one thing that you have is qualified immunity in case you. It wasn't negligent. And it's just the shittiest circumstances in the world and they want to take that from you.

[Yusuf]

Well, that's. That's gone in some. A lot of states that's gone qualified.

[Tyler]

And there's still people volunteering to put a gun on their hip and go enforce the law.

[Yusuf]

They're still doing it. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Mike]

It's. It's getting to the point where who is going to do it? Who is going to do. At some point. Who is going to do this?

[John Mattingly]

Criminals. Because it's going to be like the 80s with New Orleans and Detroit where all the cops were dirty.

[Mike]

And then I'm going to take. And then you know what they're going to get. You know what everybody's going to get. They're going to get to see the real crooked cops. The ones that they're accusing all of us of doing it. We're not. They're going to get to see like that old New Orleans PD and all those guys that were crooked or massive on mass levels.

[Tyler]

You ever seen Robocop? They're going to privatize the police. They're going to bring them in as a. You know, Musk will have his own. The police industrial complex along.

[John Mattingly]

I think the goal was national police under the last administration.

[Tyler]

What?

[John Mattingly]

I think that that was it.

[Tyler]

That's the most thing I've ever heard.

[John Mattingly]

The whole goal was to get rid of local police, defund them, deregulate them and bring in. Let the FBI and whatever you want to call it after that whole guacamole.

[Tyler]

That was. That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

A national police, but a domesticated army to keep you. That's how they take your guns. All right. I sound like that. This episode is brought to you by Cloud Defensive. The best in illumination when it comes to handheld and weapons mounted lights. Go to clouddefensive.com and use promo code ANTI HERO15 and get 15% off your purchase. Their lights are awesome. And we just gave one away to Patreon. A winner. To Patreon last week. So. But okay, so we'll go into the first video that I want to talk about and I sent it to. No, down, down, down, down, down. Keep going down. That one. Okay. Yeah, that one. I'm gonna. Let me listen to it because you've seen it. Speaking. I don't know if qualified immunity is going to help this guy, but there's a few. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Tyler]

I'm watching from that. Yep.

[Mike]

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

[Tyler]

And that's it.

[Mike]

Oh boy.

[Tyler]

Oh, you can't see it. We got some weird setting on a. Oh, yeah. So you can go back to us though. Drew's gone with Brent So we got Bradley, our film guy for Patreon. He's. He's running them for the production seat for the first time ever. Huh? No, it's nothing you did. It's just that you can't. There's a. It's. You can't see it. It's like halfway split, so it's not a big deal, but not much to see. They cut the video off when.

[Mike]

So what do you have? Do you have a weapon?

[John Mattingly]

He had a knife. He's autistic.

[Mike]

And they got the fence between the.

[John Mattingly]

Mom'S out there yelling, hey, he's autistic.

[Mike]

Which.

[John Mattingly]

That doesn't matter. I mean, if there's a threat, there's a threat. Doesn't matter if you're autistic, you know, whatever the case may be. But yeah, that's tough with. With the fence barrier. But we weren't there. I don't know if he was lunging. It was hard to tell. That's difficult.

[Mike]

I mean, the.

[Yusuf]

There's a fence between him.

[Tyler]

He's coming right for us.

[Mike]

I mean, I'm sure they all have Tasers, right?

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And then.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, you don't even need to tase it. There's a fence.

[Mike]

I mean, you could argue you come over the fence. That's the worst case. The worst case. But he's got to use his hands to get over the fence, which is going to take. He's going to take his eyes off the knife, and then that's an opportunity to take him out.

[Yusuf]

He got shot by several. I think it was nine bullets they said they took out.

[Mike]

Well, when I saw the guy running and drawing at the same time, I knew it was a bad start to the video because I'm sure he's never practiced.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, here we go.

[Mike]

Never practiced that in his real life. So today was the day he learned.

[John Mattingly]

That when they released their body cam footage. Footage. We see something that we didn't see, like a lightsaber.

[Mike]

Lightsaber. Or like a. I hope it's something big, because that didn't look good.

[Tyler]

He led retard. All right, we're gonna try. So when you hit the. The browser button. Is there. Is there a separate button for Instagram? You did. All right, we'll try it again with another video. Yeah, I don't think qualify. Oh, my God. That's such a bad shoot.

[John Mattingly]

Well, I think qualified immunity will cover it. That's usually if you're doing a criminal act, if you're acting within the scope of your duties and You.

[Tyler]

But they don't think you did the.

[John Mattingly]

Right thing at that moment. They usually.

[Mike]

That's going. No, that's going away. That's going away. It's getting. That's going away. That's. That's gone. That's good. There is no way. No, I'm getting to the point where even if it's a dark object shaped like a gun, at some point you're going to have to see the hollow point of the bullet in the barrel to get away with shooting somebody. It's gonna. It's swinging that bad. There is no more freebies. And I don't, I don't say we didn't use up a lot of freebies in the 70s and 80s and 90s where guys were burning those freebies up and now they're. They're gone. Yeah, those. They're gone. They're. They're gone. You know, I think you're gonna have to start getting shot at before you can.

[Yusuf]

Somebody said autistic Jedi.

[John Mattingly]

Well there's a case in. Where was I at? Just spoke there, Missouri. And there's a case there and I wish I'd known this was the topic, I would have tried to find it. The. An officer shows up on scene, A guy's got a gun pointed at another guy going to shoot him and the cop pulls his gun and shoots him to save that guy's life. And he got charged, locked up because they said if he didn't shoot the guy or shoot at the cop, he shouldn't have shot him. Now their attorney general is awesome. I met him and of the state and he went through and did all this stuff and they finally got the governor to commute the guy sentence and get him out of. Out of prison. But yeah, it was a tragedy.

[Tyler]

Still he's still in prison.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah, that's.

[Mike]

And you know. And your life is over the half of the country that doesn't. It's not like it's not the 70s and 80s anymore. We can just hide social media, everybody knows. Find your address, your life is over. Not going job after that job, you'll be lucky to go out your goddamn house without getting attacked or followed or you're done. Like I don't know where you go.

[John Mattingly]

Unless you're smart like yourself and start your own business.

[Mike]

Yeah well even then you better hire some security guards if it's that bad. Cuz half the country is going to try to kill you and then they're.

[Yusuf]

Going to blame me. If you blame me. If you defend yourself again.

[Mike]

Yes. Or some Jury's going to be like, yeah, he deserves, like, it's. It's a bad swing.

[Tyler]

We're going through a couple super chats. Nomad, Milsom, llc, the military. Oh, we gave some of their stuff away. He said, brent, come to our Airsoft Milam in an abandoned haunted prison in central Pennsylvania. More than happy to provide the gear, I guess.

[John Mattingly]

You're Brent.

[Mike]

No. Yeah, I'm Brent. So you don't want nothing to do with me.

[Tyler]

I'll let Brent know he won't go to anything haunted because he's too scared. But I would go to that just to go to a haunted prison and then Batman Union, just like firefighters. Who is hiring these folks? Oh, there's a shortage of cops.

[John Mattingly]

I know who was hiring them in Louisville, and they were cops I wouldn't want to work with.

[Mike]

With.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

So.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's happening here too. It's happening here too. It's. It's changed.

[John Mattingly]

I'm talking about the recruiters were the ones I was like, really? Oh, yeah, yeah. The ones going out hunting for the people to get on the job are guys that you probably wouldn't have wanted to work with. Some of them are okay, but they were choosing them for. Again, for skin color and for female and for.

[Mike]

Yeah, 30 by 30.

[Tyler]

I mean, there's like, there's. Does any. Does it. Is it everywhere where there's units that are strictly minorities? Like, like, like we have a. We have a union. It's a community oriented unit. It's not a. It's not a proactive policing squad. But. And they're all relations. Yeah. And they're all. We make a joke like you, I can't be on that unit.

[John Mattingly]

You think the public looks at that and goes, man, you're placating to me.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

Just give me cops who are real. Because if you want to really connect with the community, send us all out. Because I can get along with anybody. Where we're staying at this week, it's amazing. Not the place, but I mean, the environment today. We were at the pool and it was probably 40% black, 40% white, 20% Hispanic. And the kids are playing together, the adults are nice to each other. And I'm thinking this is actually the real world.

[Mike]

Yeah. It's a made up narrative that there's money behind it and the media pushes it. And that's why we're go sit at a blackjack table. I don't care what color you are at the blackjack table. You're all friends as long as you.

[John Mattingly]

Get as Long as you hit the right card.

[Mike]

If you hate that, you hate the dealer. Yes. And you can't play. You can't play stupid. As long as you're playing by the book. You go sit in any gambling establishment or anywhere, everybody gets along. There is no issue with anybody at that. That's why I know it doesn't exist. Yeah, it's a made up, continued narrative that.

[John Mattingly]

And I'll tell you what, I was also inspired and because, you know, working in, in the hood most of your career, you see mostly single moms raising all the kids right. Dad's out partying, selling dope, doing whatever they're doing. There were so many family units there in the black community. I was like, man, this is what you don't see. Because we do also get, as cops, we get in these little echo chambers. Right? You work in your community and you're only dealing with criminals. You're only dealing with bad guys. All the negativity. And so then our brains sometimes get a little warped to that's life. And it's not. When you get out and you experience other things, you're like, okay, even we get a little twisted.

[Mike]

That was my favorite place to work. And not for that reason. Some of the nicest people, family oriented were there and. And I never shied away.

[John Mattingly]

Well, the majority of the people in the hood want you there.

[Tyler]

Of the people in the hood are good people that need police and they will support you. Yes.

[John Mattingly]

They don't know how to get out. No, I've.

[Tyler]

I've been on scenes where I'm like, I, like there was an aggravated battery with a weapon. Like it was a. They beat some dude pretty bad. And the neighbors saw it and I couldn't get one of them to talk. And they're like, you don't understand. They're all over there watching me. I can't even, like, I, I cannot tell you that I saw that.

[John Mattingly]

They'll be the next victim.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

They're like, that's just how it is here. And you know, you want to be like, you want to be like, well, then, yeah, how am I supposed to fix your community? But I mean, until they trust that police is going to stop that, just like the Taliban, you know, threatening Afghan people. And is the military going to help us if we help you? And then the military bounces and they're stuck. Yeah, they're all probably dead by now. Yeah. The administration, you should just made it out.

[Mike]

The administration has to grab their. The administration has to grab their nuts and let the cops Go be cops again.

[Yusuf]

They're the problem.

[Mike]

You're gonna get complaints, you're gonna get put in the media and the sheriff or the police chief needs to step up and go, we're fixing the problem. It's going to be ugly because it's been gone so long. Give us time to fix it and then at some point we're going to flip it back. But until that day happens, it ain't. It ain't changing.

[Yusuf]

The downfall of law enforcement is command staff all over the country.

[Mike]

Correct. Correct.

[Yusuf]

They're worried about their salaries, making six figures and they're. Listen, if you look back back in the day of law enforcement when I started, police were respected somewhat. Right?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

But those guys that became leaders now in the command staff, self proclaimed leaders. Those guys didn't have body cams. They, they used to beat the. Out.

[Tyler]

Oh, God.

[Yusuf]

Out of people. They used to pit cars. They used to threat. You see, I mean your preview to your channel.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Yusuf]

That's what they did. And now they're police chiefs now. They're like commanders and they're looking at everybody going, you said you're getting an eye.

[Mike]

Yeah. You know, put your wife up, you.

[Yusuf]

Know what I'm saying? So you're getting in trouble for everything. And now they're doing this. But they're hypocrites.

[Mike]

Because my first, the first year if I worked for, was an older guy, old school. He showed up on calls. He wore cowboy boots and a hat. But he came out and got down. He heard it. I remember I turned the corner one time. I was in dope, but had a beard. He didn't know who I was and he went to point his gun at me. I'm like, I work for you, Sheriff. Like, yeah, but he was out working. These guys today, they don't, they don't leave the air condition, they don't leave the station now.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And even if they do, it's pr. It's a pr.

[Mike]

I'm talking my, my first sheriff that I worked for was on an alarm in the middle of the hood, turning corners and clearing the house with me because he heard the call. These guys today don't.

[Tyler]

Do you ever.

[Mike]

You ever do shit.

[Tyler]

I know you know he is. You ever seen Sheriff Chitwood in Volusia County? Yeah.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

All right, so they call him Media Mike.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Because what he does is they'll do takedowns of felony vehicles and he'll make sure that, that they, everybody knows that he's going to go up to the window and they're like, sheriff, this is the most dangerous thing I've ever seen. I get it. He's got balls. But it's all pr. So he'll walk up in there in his bicycle shorts and pull them out and people go, oh, my God. That.

[Mike]

Yeah, they did a bit one day on the. In the thing. He doesn't have a vest on. He's got plain clothes. Yeah, it's nuts, dude. Absolutely nuts.

[Tyler]

You know Marco Lopez?

[Mike]

Marco Lopez over here, Osceola, He's a. I heard. Yeah. And I mean Pearson, Keith Pearson, he did the same thing. But I know for a fact he was out actually doing it. He was a sheriff of St. Lucie. He was out, actually didn't wear his vest sometimes. I wasn't excited about that. But he's got videos and videos and videos of him actually in the car doing jump outs and takedowns as the sheriff. So he was actually out doing it. But these other guys, the old school administrators left the building, they went and did the work, and at some point they forgot where they came from, and they pander. And now, you know, the sheriff was the guy, like, way back. He was, like, squared away. He wasn't all up in the media. He wasn't doing dumb.

[Tyler]

Well, he would tell everybody off. I'm going to run my sheriff's office.

[Mike]

You know, now these guys are doing dumb. Getting caught, cheating and all this getting in scandals. And then now they're too scared to even show their face in public. So how can you be a good leader if you're scared of your own image? Like, it's a whole problem. And all they do is pander. And it's.

[Tyler]

It's the whole career up.507 says Yousef has Brent. No security needed.

[Yusuf]

That's right, dude.

[Tyler]

Duder says, Freeman hat from that lion's not sheep tool. Okay, to be fair, lions not sheep. The message is, that's why I took off. It's the most simple message ever. Problem is, the owner is a tool.

[John Mattingly]

All right? The guy in the line in the. The free man hat, this guy, he's wearing it as a big fu to the DOJ and the former FBI because they came after him for three years trying to find something to lock him up on. So when. When all that came out, I put the hat on and was like, here you go.

[Yusuf]

Yeah, Brent's in the chat.

[Tyler]

Is he really? Zulu Whiskey says to whoever needs to hear this, no matter what you're going through, you are wanted and needed. Do not make a permanent solution to a temporary problem. We love You Suicide awareness. I like it. I was telling Mike about one of the things and I won't say the second half of it because but you. The probably the most mind blowing thing about your story was the fact that Brianna Taylor's mom took out a murder for hire contract on you proven. And then who was prosecuting the DOJ? The DOJ writes from D.C. and they said it's a bad image. We're not going to go forward with it. Correct.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah. It was the FBI that did that.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

They said. They said the optics look bad going after a black victim's mother. So they. They buried the case. They would not hand it off to another agency to work.

[Tyler]

Like the transaction went through.

[John Mattingly]

Right.

[Tyler]

Like it was a done deal. That's. You're convicted all day in court for that.

[Mike]

Nate Diaz. I'm not surprised. It's unreal. What go. And that's. That's just a think about what goes on in that government, man. That's insane. That's nuts. And there's nothing you can do. Who do you like? Who else you go to? That's the FBI.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Like where do you go from there?

[Tyler]

Hopefully there's other things in government that can yes. Make up for what, you know, other ones lack in. But you know, that just was crazy to me.

[Yusuf]

Well what's. What's crazy part is if you go to the FBI and you do a public records request, they'll tell you sometimes up to five years.

[Mike]

Yeah. They're just going to drive it out.

[Yusuf]

But they will not release names of any agents involved. Even in. Even in a shooting where they injure. Kill somebody. They won't release the names, but they'll come and investigate you on an anti. Like a corruption. They'll investigate your police department. They'll release your information, your name. They act like they are the God sent to the people.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Yusuf]

And they say we're coming to investigate this agency. But ask who investigates them. Nobody.

[Mike]

Nobody.

[Yusuf]

There's multiple cases where they killed people during FBI raids and shootings. And you won't get any information on it.

[Mike]

Nope.

[John Mattingly]

There was one right after ours. It was very similar and it just went away.

[Mike]

Yeah. It's all about who.

[John Mattingly]

Oh yeah.

[Tyler]

In Louisville.

[Mike]

No, no, I'm glad you said that too. About. On a very minor scale. My IA that got me demoted. The guy that I pulled over and got in trouble was a meth addict. He caught more charges when my IA was going on more. And no, they. They found he got caught with dope again.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

They did not prosecute him and null prostate for the same reason we're not going to go after the guy that's involved in the complaint against him. So he gets a free pass on dope. Because I remember a guy calling me, he goes, do you know this guy? I'm like, I thought he was joking. I'm like, yeah, it's a guy that I pulled over. Oh, I got. Got him a dope, he wants to work. I'm like, he's not gonna work. He's a piece of. I called the guy back like months later. I'm like, whatever happened? He's like, administration told me to dump the case, throw it away and let it go because we didn't want to taint it because he was the one to complain against you.

[John Mattingly]

It's the same thing, man.

[Mike]

Nuts.

[John Mattingly]

I just remembered that the guy who shot me. So city paid him $2 million for his emotional distress. On top of that, he was off limits too.

[Tyler]

His emotional distress for shooting you?

[Mike]

Both are expensive.

[John Mattingly]

They had a CI in to him and they had him on FaceTime with a box of dope and a gun flashing around saying, ah, I got off. They didn't get me all this stuff. They were gonna just do a simple bow on him, rip him, do whatever. And they were told by our down the bar administration, he's off limits. Same with Brianna's mom. She can do what she wants. Off limits. Same with the guy who, the whole reason we were there, a guy named Jamarcus Glover, he had six or seven pending felony cases for guns and drugs. He got locked up in January of 2020. He got locked up in March of 2020. And because of this case, they said, oh, we're gonna. As long as you go back to Mississippi, we will drop all the charges in Kentucky. They did. He came back. He's been locked up a couple other times since they found out he had a huge fentanyl ring going with guns. And our department was like, we're not allowed to do it. We can't touch you. So a sister department hit him up and locked him up. He had a 13 year old girl that was his girlfriend's daughter. Died of fentanyl in his apartment. Never charged with it.

[Tyler]

Holy.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah, it's unreal if you're a criminal. It's a great country to be in.

[Tyler]

Well, and another thing that you told me about in your, your story was that. And I'm. If I get this wrong, the details correct me. Rihanna Taylor was driving around in a car that was suspect in murder.

[John Mattingly]

No, she rented a car Rented a car. She rented a car. A few days later, they found a dead body in it, bullet in the head. And when they questioned her about it, she said, I don't know. Jamarcus Glover was using it. So she was renting cars for these dope dealers.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

And racketeering. Nothing ever happened with that.

[Mike]

Racketeering.

[Tyler]

I can't even rent a car and. And pass a toll without having being.

[Mike]

Held accountable for part of a criminal enterprise. Racketeering is what that's called. That's a felony.

[Tyler]

In the studio today, I just want to give some shout outs. We got Magnet from Linear and we got Gary from Scotland.

[Mike]

All the way from Scotland.

[Tyler]

He goes by Gy G, but he brought a bunch of cool shit from Scotland for me and Brent. Bottle of. What is it a bottle of. Bottle of whiskey.

[John Mattingly]

Loc Le man.

[Tyler]

He said we don't have to pay the tariffs.

[Mike]

No, he smuggled it in Trump's. Trump's gonna put on camera. Trump's gonna come get you for 100%.

[Tyler]

So he's with you with your wife, wife and kids here in Disney. But he broke away like many, like many people do and came here. So your wife's in support of that. You're not going to be in trouble when you get back.

[Yusuf]

She's. She's watching now.

[Mike]

The last cigar didn't come home till five in the morning in Texas, so.

[Tyler]

We'Re still in trouble. Super chats, Brits. Camaro. Speaking of leaders and image diet, Kyle, what do you think of Sheriff Lamb and also Sup OG Yousef. If you guys don't know, Yusuf was actually the. I don't want to say the catalyst, but you were the idea man for the live. Me and Brent were doing our regulars and he's like, guys, I'm telling you, you guys gotta do this live. This is it. This is. This is what builds the communities. And me and, you know, he set everything up. Me and Brent rolled with it. So, yeah, he is the og and then Sheriff Lamb. I don't know much about him other than the fact you told me something about him.

[Mike]

I know him. I mean, I know him personally. Yeah, Yeah, I do too. I auditioned. Yeah, I auditioned for Live PD wanted. When that. Right before I got George Floyd. Got all that canceled. Yeah, I went up. I flew to New York. A and E paid for me to go up. I did like two or three in studio auditions with him. And then I became a good friend of his. I've gone when he comes to Florida to speak with Trump. Nice guy, personable very friendly to my wife, my family. So I. I don't know. And I've no people that work for him that enjoyed working for him.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So I don't. I have not heard anything bad about him.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah, I know his. The chief that was number two under him.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

We're friends and man, he has nothing but good to say about. And he's gone. Right. He left the department because he was running.

[Mike]

He ran for a second. Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

No, and he said, he said that's one guy that will stand behind his guys. He's not just talk on tv. He's the real deal.

[Mike]

Yeah. Stand up guy.

[Tyler]

Salvador Balanos. Have you ever heard of the counter criminal continuum C3 police model that was founded by two former Massachusetts state troopers who were Green Berets that were based on counterinsurgency tactics used by soft. No, that's dope though. Write that down in Brent's book that he never opens.

[Yusuf]

Brent's in the chat.

[Tyler]

Is he?

[Yusuf]

Yeah, I freaking miss it.

[Tyler]

Pumpkin is an awesome. Okay. Yeah, I see him. Dude. Duder. Perception is reality. I support that. Free man. Hat answer big W on your end. Oh, that was the one that. Yeah. Okay, so we are going to try another video. So bear with us as we figure out why the Instagram is cutting it in half. But try it again and we'll just do. Let's try that one. This is a helicopter crash in New York City. It just broke in the air. You can see the rest of the helicopter. Try again. And then it pans up and you can see the rest of the pieces of the helicopter just floating in the air. I guess it just came apart midair.

[Mike]

No way.

[Tyler]

Six people died.

[Mike]

That's right where we were at. That's right there. That's right where the hotel is. Really? Hudson. That's right there.

[John Mattingly]

Civilian helicopter.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it did.

[Yusuf]

Yeah, it did play.

[Tyler]

Oh, nice. Okay, so it worked.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

It was a tourist helicopter full of a family from Spain and that's all they know. They rescuers showed up. It was inverted in the water, so the rails or whatever the fuck it is were upside down. And they said that they were all still belted in. So I'm assuming they just, you know, got knocked out or died on impact.

[Yusuf]

Someone said three kids were in it.

[Tyler]

Yeah, three kids. Yeah. But I mean that's the second fucking aircraft crash in the Hudson. Oh, no, the last one was in dc.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

Yeah, it was a helicopter. Yeah.

[Tyler]

So, all right, now that we know the, the videos work, what's the next one? All right. So this one's a little bit longer, but is painting the picture of where honestly I'm an advocate for the cops don't need to show up to every thing. We don't have the manpower. If we had double what we have, maybe. But the way they spin it is that they say, oh, cops aren't responding to calls. Well, like, no, cops aren't responding to calls that cops don't need to go to. But yeah, go ahead and play it.

[E]

County sheriff's office says it will no longer dispatch deputies to certain 911 calls following a recent federal court ruling. Those situations include someone experiencing a psychotic episode and those who are suicidal even if they have a gun.

[Mike]

We're choosing to be very guarded about which incidents like this we do respond to.

[E]

Assistant Sheriff Matt Peterson outlined the policy change at a county commission meeting last week, saying the decision to respond or not will now be made by a 911 dispatcher and the watch commander.

[Mike]

This is really impacting our ability to deliver service.

[E]

Sacramento Metro Metro Fire tells us the policy change creates a new danger for their crews.

[Mike]

We've had multiple incidents already that have put our folks in harm's way.

[E]

They rely on sheriff's deputies to make sure a scene is safe before making contact with a patient. And now in some calls, they're worried that protection may no longer be there.

[Mike]

When it comes to life threatening emergencies. Seconds count, but we need that scene to be cleared. Our folks are not trained to manage violent people or weapons.

[Tyler]

My reaction is who's going to respond.

[E]

Elizabeth hopper has called 911 for help more than a dozen times over the last decade when her adult daughter was having psychotic episodes.

[Tyler]

When we call, it is a last resort.

[E]

She's against the policy change, saying it leaves family members with few other options to get their loved one emergency psychiatric help.

[Tyler]

We're determining in that moment for what.

[Yusuf]

We know about our family member that.

[Tyler]

They are at a moment of risk and we need a response.

[E]

The change comes after a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals about qualified immunity. The ruling revoked officers legal protection when they respond to calls. Like a mental health crisis where no crime is being committed, qualified immunity essentially.

[Mike]

Creates a bubble around the police officer.

[E]

This legal expert explains the loss of immunity means individual officers can now be sued for excessive force.

[Yusuf]

The point of it is to try to hold police officers accountable.

[Mike]

The courts have made it very clear that really any use of force at all is questionable.

[E]

The sheriff's department wouldn't answer our questions on camera about the change, saying they're still being formalized. But a memo obtained by CBS13 says the new policies are immediate.

[Tyler]

It feels almost like a knee jerk reaction response. It feels like we don't want to.

[Yusuf]

Take a risk of a lawsuit.

[E]

Community members and firefighters now hoping lawmakers will step in. The Sacramento County Sheriff.

[Mike]

I like it.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Not a butane.

[Mike]

I like it.

[Tyler]

You hand me that rocket.

[Mike]

I got one here.

[John Mattingly]

That one's a dick, that one.

[Tyler]

What's that too? Rocket ship over that corner.

[John Mattingly]

Big silver. Not even.

[Mike]

Not even close.

[Tyler]

All right, so tons of. If you want to use it. It's tons of stuff to break. To take away from that video. Mainly. They kind of answered their own question in a sense that we don't have enough people because no one wants to be cops. Because you're now quite. They said it themselves. Every use of force is questionable now. Do you mean that needs to be investigated? Are you saying like they need to be questioned on every use of force? It's insane.

[John Mattingly]

Well, and that lady right there talking about disqualified immunity.

[Mike]

American.

[John Mattingly]

They've got a bubble. They can do whatever they want. They shouldn't have qualified immunity. If they go on those. Then why are we going on them?

[Tyler]

Yeah, we shouldn't.

[John Mattingly]

If you're taking away my protection, why am I going.

[Tyler]

You're not going to them. We're going to him.

[Mike]

Old Granny there. 12 time caller. Granny. If you kill her daughter. Granddaughter, you are toast.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And she's blaming you.

[John Mattingly]

And I feel bad for those people. Mental health.

[Mike]

I do too.

[John Mattingly]

Is horrible.

[Mike]

But what do we do on spot? We surround. And if they don't come out, I think it's 45 minutes now. Is a national standard. You go there. If there's some. Yep. You 45 minutes try to talk them out. If it doesn't work, you leave.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Oh, why even go?

[Tyler]

SWAT teams are doing that.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

See.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Where I work, if SWAT's coming, it's. It's a violent felony.

[Mike]

You guys probably don't even get called to that. But our in a small agency. We were going to those and I don't know if we still are, but we had the non criminal barricades 45 minutes piece.

[Tyler]

Yeah. No, you're right. Like we did it. Tons of time on patrol. We do the inner perimeter, the outer perimeter. They have the SUV with the markboard and they have everybody. And at the end of the day he's by himself. All right, we'll just file charges and we pack up and leave. And now we're just setting a precedence. But yeah, I mean and going Back to not responding. It's just there. We're not going to calls that we don't need to go to.

[John Mattingly]

Especially civil matters.

[Tyler]

Civil matter, medical calls. Like handle it over the phone. Like hey, is there a reason why like that the firefighter that was like, I mean he's right, they're not trained. But maybe, maybe the long term answer to this is maybe we need to start training firefighters in some kind of self defense. If they don't know, how can you.

[Mike]

Make them look anything like a cop? They're going to get the same response. Cops get the reason everybody likes. They don't want that because they don't take anybody to jail.

[Yusuf]

Let's remember to defund the police movement. Yeah, the media pushed it, it was big. Here you go.

[Mike]

The Subaru lady and I say that the lady that was bitching about qualified immunity is the reason we're to this point. You, we cannot go in there and kill a mental health patient at this point. Unless they are trying to.

[Tyler]

Even a suicidal person. We let them do it themselves. It's much better as a PR to have them kill themselves than us kill them.

[John Mattingly]

Plus, why should we put that on cops conscience? Yeah, we have enough burdens with all the crap we see over our response.

[Mike]

Could be argued like maybe get more details like get to the scene and go, what's the situation? He's in there, he's okay, he's unarmed. But we're gone, we're out of here.

[Tyler]

But that's what we do now. And there's just not enough. I mean if it takes you 20 minutes to get to the house and then the next call is 20 minutes. Now one call held for 40 minutes when you didn't need to be there.

[Mike]

Yeah. And at what point does your 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th call of calling us to take them to the hospital for 72 hours and then bring them back. What's the next step in your world, your family?

[John Mattingly]

You know we had traffic units.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

Why don't we just create mental health units?

[Tyler]

It's like we tried and the concept doesn't fucking work.

[John Mattingly]

It's because we're a bunch of knuckle draggers going in trying to talk to somebody that we don't know, we don't know what we're doing.

[Tyler]

A lot of places are trying to do something where they team up a clinician civilian because people tried to argue we should be sending civilians.

[John Mattingly]

It better not be a female.

[Tyler]

Why?

[John Mattingly]

Because you know what all the cops are going to do?

[Tyler]

Oh, it's already happened. It's already happened. And anybody that I work with is laughing. But anyways, the, the clinicians that everybody was arguing, well let's send mental health people to these people in crisis. Right. And then everybody was like, oh, that's probably not a good idea because they're violent.

[John Mattingly]

Right.

[Tyler]

So we'll team them up with cops. The problem is, is that we're law enforcement. It's just such a non spoken thing or we just accept it. But law enforcement overall is down in numbers everywhere you go. They can't even fill spots on the road. They're not going to create a mental health. They're going to create one to say they have one. But it's going to be a couple cops, couple clinicians and they're going to work Monday through Friday, 9 to 5.

[Mike]

As soon as they start getting overtime, they're going to cancel the unit.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Anyway. Because we can't afford it. So that's just, it's an. It's a tough topic because I do. I also feel bad for people having a mental health crisis, but. Well, how far does a guy like one of us go in our own life to go? I'm going to ruin my fucking life because this person's 37th mental health crisis this month. What has the family done to take the next step?

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

Some of that has to fall on your own responsibility.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[John Mattingly]

Hospitals won't keep him anymore.

[Mike]

No, nobody's the problem. Everybody's.

[Tyler]

I will speak on behalf on the devil's advocate of what you're saying is that my family, I have someone that one of my uncles is estranged. Like all of them. Schizophrenia, drug induced psychosis. He lives on the streets and it's just everybody in the family has tried everything they can and it just doesn't work. And now I.

[John Mattingly]

The mental hospital's back.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but that's why we're dealing with this is because they closed them all down the loony bins. Don't you know, I don't know how it, what it takes. They have to be sentenced there, medically sentenced there. Right. By a judge. I think that's how it used to work is that a judge would say, okay, you're not fit for trial, but you're not free to go. I'm sentencing you to a mental institution. So you're there whether you want to be there or not. But they did, they closed them down. And so what happens? They're in our streets.

[Mike]

Yeah. And it's a. It. We actually killed somebody in the emergency room that was there for like 10 hours on Baker act dude was just sitting in the hallway on a stretcher for hours. Finally got sick of it, jumped up, pulled a pair of scissors out of a nurse's pocket, charge a couple deputies, and they smoked them. And then the hospital obviously putting it on the sheriff's office, like, no, your facility had this dude for like, nine hours just sitting in a hallway doing nothing. So it's just a whole big problem. Even when you get them to as far as the emergency room, the resources start to run thin everywhere because there's just nowhere to put them.

[Yusuf]

But even when you. When you take them to those resources, like the hospital, you go to those facilities, you're getting push back also from. They're. They're almost mad at you for bringing.

[Mike]

They're looking for a way to get them out of this.

[Yusuf]

It happens there, and it happens to jail. The jail will find an excuse. Hey, he's complaining of a headache.

[Tyler]

He's got an open cut on his arm, like, scratch.

[Yusuf]

Always push back on you. Right back.

[Mike]

Common denominator.

[Yusuf]

Push right back on you.

[Mike]

Street cop. The street cop is the problem. And I say that in quotation is always at the core. Where do I take them? I got him. I fought him into the car. I drug them here. Now you won't take them. Now the jail won't take them. Where the do I take them?

[John Mattingly]

Next county.

[Tyler]

The world's burdens fall on the street cop. The world burdens somebody who told me it's.

[John Mattingly]

I've been a fireman. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like. Like you look at anybody, firemen, like, when they. I'm not even making a joke. If somebody crazy comes to the firehouse and starts trying to beat on the door, who they calling? You're going to rescue firemen. I say this because it's happened. And then you're also going. I. I do an old lady once. There's a turtle in my pool. Chain of command made me go, like, all right, what the. Do you want me shoot it? Like, what do you want me to.

[John Mattingly]

Do about a raccoon out of somebody's closet once?

[Tyler]

And like. But when people go to that, like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's inherent. They've known that since they were two years old. You call the police, and then when you talk to them, and you're like, why did you call the police?

[Mike]

And then we wear it both directions. We wear it. If we do too much, if we do too little, and nobody really, like, the banker goes home at the end of the day. I was a little late into that transaction. At the window. They have no stress. Like the average person doesn't have stress. But we wear it both directions.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Too little and we feel like too much. We feel like there's never any. Like, you did it right.

[Tyler]

And what Yusuf said is he was talking about the mental health stuff and the Baker acts. And you know what? You. Okay, so in Florida, and every state calls it something different, but in Florida, you can involuntarily commit somebody based on your investigation, whether or not they're a threat to themselves or others or they can't take care of themselves. Florida calls it the Baker Act. There's three people that can Baker acts. When in Florida, there's a judge, a doctor, and a cop. Right? Judge, years of fucking training Doctor, years of fudging education. Street cop.

[Mike]

Three days.

[Tyler]

Three. Just got out of the academy. But they tell us, like, hey, you can bake. You. You can't get in trouble for Baker acting somebody when you have the right intentions. You will eat a sandwich if you don't. Baker act somebody. And then they kill themselves.

[Mike]

So now you have the criminal side of making an arrest. And now, kids, we have a whole new avenue, the mental health side. So you can up the statutes and figure that out, but we got this other thing for you over here. I didn't even tell you about the mental health world. Completely different. Whole different set of rules. Go learn that as well. Make sure you do them both right or you're fried.

[Tyler]

Yep.

[Mike]

Good luck.

[Tyler]

And then there's also. Let's freakle in some autism in there.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Now you've got, you know, there's entire. Which is. I get it. There's entire like training segments now for autism. Because as a street cop, you need to know autistic kids like water. You have to know that that's something everywhere now, you know, and so, yeah, and old people with dementia, they walk away. You have to have like. You have to know your beat, you have to know where she's going. But I mean, those are all things that. Like an autistic kid that's 12 years old, that's twice my size and stronger than anybody I've ever met. Like, you can't go hands on with him. You're gonna hurt him, but you have to know he's autistic, right? So.

[John Mattingly]

So there was. There's two cops in Kentucky that recently, I think six months ago, there was a house fire. So they show up, they get called, and these dad and son try to go back in the house while it's on fire. And the Cops restrained them from doing it. The guys ended up fighting the cops. Cops tased them, cops got charged. So you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. If you let them go in, don't try to stop them, they die in the house fire, then you're responsible. You stop them from going in, and you're responsible. So where's the balance? There's not much balance in the balance.

[Mike]

Well, unfortunately, what you're. I guess, yeah, I would let him go.

[John Mattingly]

Your house, your body.

[Mike]

The old, you know, the guy at Parkland didn't do anything and he was found not guilty. So by law, you don't to do anything. Like the school resource officer. Parkland stood outside and watched those kids.

[John Mattingly]

But then you had the Uvalde.

[Mike]

Yes. Yeah, but yeah, they got charged in Uvalde.

[John Mattingly]

The one guy did.

[Tyler]

Oh, the chief. The campus school district chief. Right?

[John Mattingly]

I think so, yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I bet they. You have to have a land for slaughter.

[John Mattingly]

Like.

[Tyler]

Yeah, they're. They're like, hey, man, that was bad though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

Worst one I've ever seen.

[Tyler]

Well, I didn't know this about Uvalde until I have some fucking crazy dude that's like borderline stalking me. But he is a non cop that runs a Uvalde. He's a civilian that runs a Uvalde website about what happened. And he knows everything. He's a subject matter expert on everything that we did wrong and every cover up that they did. The problem is that he's like, you got a lot of things wrong. And I was like, okay, yeah. He was like, so you did. Pre 2022, they released a bunch of facts that is not known. And we did. We didn't know that. So we released everything that was known up to that point. And he articulated it. He gave me stuff like, he's like, I'm like, why don't you come on the show and like, you're the SME on this. And he goes, no, I don't. I'm not gonna do that. I'm like, okay, so. But yeah, you're. There was a lot of things in Uvalde that we were not privy to when the investigation was concluded. For years, until there was a congressional hearing. And a lot of stuff came out about times like people were like, oh, the Bortech guys are not the heroes you say they are because they waited this, this and that.

[John Mattingly]

And I know one of the Vortech guys.

[Tyler]

Huh?

[John Mattingly]

I know one of them.

[Tyler]

You do? Yeah. Is he still there? Oh, damn it. Okay.

[John Mattingly]

He came in on his own. Came in, suited up, went in and took care. He's the one that took the kill.

[Tyler]

Okay. So the way I looked at it is Vortex showed up. And me and Brent both agree this is how we understood it. Vortex shows up, you kind of assume there's 80 million cops there. There's a chain of command with a structure and they know what's going on. It takes you a minute to kind of realize like none of these know what they're doing. And now I have to take control. And I feel like that's where the lull was probably because you could see it in his face. He's like, wait, so they're in there.

[John Mattingly]

And you're not doing anything and you're.

[Mike]

Not doing it and like here a long time.

[Tyler]

Yeah. He's like, what's going on? You can't. And we all know as cops, you cannot just show up on a scene and just fucking do whatever hell you want. You'll everything up and you'll get fired and everybody will hate you. So he was probably doing what any cop would do is show up on the scene. And it just took him a minute to realize like, oh, okay.

[Mike]

But then you saw what happened when a well trained, ready to rock and roll cop shows up. Those Uvalde guys were not ready for that. Not.

[John Mattingly]

And that's where it's probably a training issue.

[Mike]

That's where I go, tick tock cops and these small town cops that sit in their car and do nothing is that call can happen anywhere. Just because you don't live in a big city or a big area, that is going to happen. And you are not. They are not those guys making videos and all that bullshit. They're not mentally prepared for that incident. And that incident shows what lack of training and lack of being ready for something like that is. Is about. And they're not. They're not. And that's why I get so upset with even the smaller town cops. Like that's what you need to be because there's no more tech guys coming to save you in those little towns. Ducked in like that. You know, you might be, you know, hour from a big city or big agency and you get this little itty bitty town.

[Tyler]

You think of SWAT team, you're probably on it.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You know, like you're probably at a very never done, not funded well SWAT team.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

You know, you're never done it.

[John Mattingly]

And they're great guys with good intentions.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Trainings just like, you don't know what to Do. Yeah, like they're false. You don't have rep and that mind, you have to be like every day. Like some of these people I see on TikTok 18, man, 15 man agencies. Like, they're not talking about Uvalde. Like that could happen here. That's a good old town. Like, that's the stuff that I think is. Is what I don't like is the small town cops that don't take the job serious.

[Tyler]

Brian, Travis B. Trav. I work a specialty assignment in Northern California. Mental health related calls paired with clinician. We respond when needed, but don't put ourselves or the person in crisis in a dangerous situation. Okay. So we respond when needed, but we don't put ourselves at. Brian, if you can donate another dollar just so I see it and kind of maybe explain that a little bit because it's. We respond when needed, but we don't put ourselves in a dangerous situation. So maybe he means like an armed person. They're not. They're not showing up to a violent mentally ill. They're showing up to somebody who just needs help. Clarify. Evan, Justin, Tyler and Vanessa. Awesome meeting y'all. Last Saturday, I was the PMC airborne dude in the punk oh battle jacket. Thanks for giving jersey some love. You remember the dude with the. The camo jacket with all the patches on it?

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

What's up, bro? So right now we're halfway through, so we're gonna get a some the take a commercial break for our sponsors. Take a piss, grab another beer and we'll see you in about five minutes.

[Mike]

I'm not drinking.

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[John Mattingly]

Talking all this and still being on.

[Tyler]

The job, I don't know. And we're back. So John asked me an interesting question. I'm very transparent. He said Tyler, how do you get away with saying some of the you do and still being a cop? I think it's just something that all I say what all cops think and I even think there's brass and admins still up there that are like, like I can't, I can't say it but I'm glad he. Because you know they might not say anything. They might not defend the street cop but I feel like there's a lot of brass and admins still that are like I remember you know the ones.

[John Mattingly]

That did the job. Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Mm. So kicking in a monster at 9pm Drive home. That's true. Yeah. So we went to Jersey City. Yes we did this last was. It was last weekend last weekend and we talked about. We were those two heated debates all alcohol induced but is one of them was Derek Chauvin and you guys being two prior street cops kind of wanted to pick your brain on and Mike, you too. I know there's the entertainment side of Mike. Mike's. He's a, he's a good host. Like he'll. He'll. If you're agreeing on everything he's going to disagree with you just to make content but your honest, honest take on Derek Chauvin.

[Mike]

I think he should have been tried for the lesser charge of manslaughter. I think he made a horrible decision. I think he was negligent in not repositioning or checking on the person below him. I think in any situation, fighting, playing. If I'm on top of you and you don't move for more than probably 30, 45 seconds, I'm like, what? He's either really playing a good game on me or something's wrong. So I understand tunnel vision. I understand the environment. But my honest. He should have got a fair trial for the lesser charge of second degree manslaughter. I think he was negligent, and that. That's what I would have charged him with. And that's what I like to. Would have liked to seen the trial go.

[Tyler]

How long did I know. It's got to be documented. How long did. Was there no response from George after.

[Mike]

Three minutes, I think three. There was no more talking, nothing.

[Tyler]

Because I remember the. The videos I've seen was him saying, I can't breathe. And we all know he said, I can't.

[Mike]

I documented. He said, I can't breathe. Like, five times before he was even on the ground, he was yelling, I can't.

[Tyler]

Okay, so that's not credible right there.

[Mike]

No.

[John Mattingly]

He has to come out of the car on the ground.

[Mike]

Yeah, I think he said it once on the ground, but he was saying it. I counted it from this time they started putting him in the car. I think he said it five times till he was pulled out of the car and kicked him. And that's the other thing I have a huge problem with.

[Tyler]

They kicked him.

[Mike]

No, he kicked them. He was 95% in the backseat of that car. One little thump to the head and slamming that door on his head, which would have caused a minor injury, would have stopped that whole thing from ever happening.

[Tyler]

Well, he would have died in the backseat of the patrol car.

[Mike]

Some people say he wasn't. But for the simple of mine, he was there. But once that guy stopped moving and you have zero movement as a human, you should be like, something ain't right. I'm doing this tactic really well because he's not resisting at all. That's my. That's my honest opinion.

[Tyler]

Okay. What do you think, Yusuf?

[Yusuf]

I think that it's perception is everything. You gotta accept it. You're sitting on video. On. On his neck or on his back. Doesn't matter. You're sitting on top of him. He's cuffed.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

Hands in your pocket like a trophy shot. Just chilling. What's the purpose of sitting there the entire time while he's cuffed We've all handcuffed people before. We've all had guys run from us. But you got four of you guys, you gotta. You got him cuffed, Pick the guy up and set him up. What's the problem with that? That's all I'm saying. He allowed the perception. You're not going to get away from it anymore. It's on video. You can't argue it anymore. It's done. He's sitting on a guy for however many minutes he is. All you have to do is pick the guy up and sit him on his butt. Keep him. Keep him there, but just set him up. And if anything happens after that, you did the best you could. You sat him up. He had drugs in the system, he died. Right. But sitting on top of him is never going to win the argument. It's just not going to win in public perception. You're sitting on top of him. There's no excuse to why he didn't just set him up. That's my. That's my. My problem is he put the. He put the burden on all law enforcement when that happened, and he. He probably didn't kill him. Right. Because he had drugs and everything else in his system that they're arguing. But had you just sat him up. That's it. You got him cuffed, set him up. Oh, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. Call rescue. Do what you do. But sitting on top of him the entire time.

[Tyler]

Well, you know what?

[Yusuf]

Pocket. Just chilling, looking around.

[Tyler]

You know what else did. He created the ultimate excuse for about four years is the I can't breathe. And now at triggered any bystander that made every cop like, oh, I'm going to stop using force.

[Mike]

Happened in mine.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

The guy who said, I can't breathe in my eye, he absolutely could breathe. But that was how.

[Tyler]

You know that. Mike. Was he saying it?

[Mike]

No. He was.

[Tyler]

He said, I know you can breathe because I can hear you.

[Mike]

But do yousef.

[Tyler]

Do you think. How do you think the sentencing went, the trial, do you think that was fair or do you think.

[Yusuf]

No, he definitely didn't get a fair trial for sure. I mean, I think they're gonna. You can't. I mean, they're going to convict him no matter what he has. He's got ties here to Orlando.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

And they were already showing up to his house protesting, listen, my case is nowhere near his. They protested on my case and they even talked about on Facebook. They said, we pressured the state attorney's office. We told them, you better. You better Arrest him. We pressured them and they said now we got an arrest. They arrested me three days later with a warrant for second degree murder. Right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

And then they said we're going to continue to pressure them until they convict him. So they were antagonizing the system. They were playing the system. They were emailing the state attorney's office. Even my case, as minor as it was and they use the race in, in the issue they still utilized threats and pressure for to to turn the system out. No matter what we think or believe about Chauvin, he's, he was never going to get a fair try.

[Mike]

I said never gonna get a something I think incorrect. And I just thought about it. I, I talked about change of venue. I don't think that would have mattered because national it wouldn't have mattered because the people in Minneapolis would have called whoever it was and played every card they could to say I don't care where this trial happens. Even on Mars when you fight, if you find him not guilty, our city is going to be destroyed. So now that I have a time to think about that, I don't think a change of venue is really an issue or would have mattered because the people in Minneapolis would have made sure wherever he went he's got, I think that's the part of me I think is cooked is he was going to be guilty no matter what.

[Yusuf]

Well, they burned the city down. So you think anybody's gonna go against him now? When the police gave up, when the police gave up, you think the courts are going to be like oh no, we're going to stand up do us the cops but let the buildings burn.

[Tyler]

They're not going to do dad, just let it go like now like the number the ruling authority just said. So now like you said, the courts aren't going to go, okay, well we're going to do what's right. They're just going to. Yeah, I he at the end of.

[Mike]

The day we've all been in the use of force. We've all been in a fight. Some of you've been in massive use of force situations. You're you all, every, both of your cases are absolutely no brainers in my opinion. He put himself in a position where it wasn't a no brainer and that's what the problem is.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

He shogun put himself in a position where he, he could have not killed him, he could have died offense. He could exploded and blew into a thousand pieces. He didn't let that happen. He put himself in a situation that took the Public perception and gave it too many avenues to run with that. That was the mistake. No human being should continue to do that after three minutes, not moving.

[Tyler]

There's kind. There's. There was my argument, and then you made a great argument that really trumped mine. And. And essentially you won the war. But you don't even know.

[Mike]

You can tell me, but I'm going.

[Tyler]

To do it tonight. But, like, first, what's your thoughts on it?

[John Mattingly]

I disagree with the perception thing because I think that that term's overused. Perception is reality. No, it's not. Reality is reality. Cops are now getting tried and convicted on perception as opposed to facts. And. And like, my attorney was present the day with the medical examiner when they came in and threatened him with losing his MD license if he didn't change the autopsy. And he did. I knew about that three years ago. And. And he was like, don't tell anybody I told you I was there when it happened. So. And also the thing, the whole mama thing, when he's calling for his mom. He wouldn't call for his mom. It was his girlfriend. She's white.

[Tyler]

Ah, yeah.

[John Mattingly]

When. If you watch the trial, she got on stand and that's who he called mama. He wasn't calling for his mom, calling for his girlfriend.

[Yusuf]

But I'm talking about, like, when you watch the video, you got to think about, it looks bad. The people that. People who are not even in law enforcement, they have no experience under that. All they do is they watch a video and they see this guy laying on the ground and a guy sitting on top of him. That's where I talk about the perception. We have to take accountability to some level to say, we know most people are going to believe whatever they want, but we can't give them a reason to say, look, he's sitting on him for three minutes, he's guilty. But we know it's not right. But we have to say, don't do this shit and put us in this position.

[John Mattingly]

Perception looks bad. How about then the chief or the mayor coming out going, I know it looks bad, but here are the facts and at least diffusing some of the people. You're not going to change most people's minds.

[Yusuf]

Absolutely.

[Tyler]

The guy in Louisville, I don't know who he was, but he got up there and you're not your case, I don't think. But the Breonna Taylor case, and he said, I thought that was cool as hell. He said he told all the citizens, you have to understand what you're seeing is like, don't listen to the celebrities, wait for the facts to come out. Don't make up your mind before an investigation is concluded. I thought that was really cool. But I do see what you're saying. It's one of those things. You ever seen that cop? You're like, damn, bro, you're bringing. I know, I agree with you. You're doing the right heat on us, but you're bringing heat.

[Mike]

And most of those shootings or whatever, most of the cops are all on one side. This is the one where they're not. So one of all those other incidents where God, you know, reaches in his waist, banner, he doesn't file an order, he gets smoked. All the cops like that guy should have listened. And it's easy to defend that. This one is. The cops aren't all on one side of this one. That's how you can tell it's different.

[John Mattingly]

Common sense wasn't used, correct?

[Yusuf]

No, and I think there's no common. They all go to prison to the other ones.

[Tyler]

They all afford it.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

They all got prison.

[John Mattingly]

First day on the job.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, so I want to. I want to go to two clips in the Instagram which will. What you said common sense. So go down, down, down. No, down, down, down, down. Right there at that one. Play that one. And this is where I call out.

[Mike]

Mike Dumb putting the knee on his head. Dumb. You painted. He painted a dumb picture. A real dumb picture and a really untrained picture for himself. By doing that, he made some critical.

[Yusuf]

Mistakes, but not with any intent to kill him.

[Tyler]

So the maximum restraint technique is exactly what Derek Chauvin did. And there's a picture on his training manual.

[Mike]

We'll show it on the. We'll show on. On the podcast.

[Tyler]

It's literally mirror image of Derek Chauvin's infamous picture. The angle that was of the video looks like Derek Chauvin's on his neck. But the BWC's if they had been released, would show much different. Derek Chauvin was using the maximum restraint technique that was taught to him and provided in the. The manual that was issued to him. And it's identical. The illustration of instruction is what he did with that. That was my argument in the sense that he was doing. And they did his whole chain of command. Went and lied on the stand and said, we never issued that manual. And his mom was like, I went into his police bag and pulled out the manual and showed like they all went on the stand and lied. However you brought up on the live show, I mean, I have it paused where Reagan was like in his argument because you said, you essentially said, does that. So you're just an idiot now, like common sense and like edit. It was. Go play. Go to Instagram and play the last video. Not that one, but right there. This was the live show last weekend.

[Mike]

You should be released.

[Tyler]

He did everything he was trained to do based on their training.

[Mike]

Man, Nick, you know, say, get the book out of the way. When reality hits, okay? He should have took that guy and put him in the car and get away. He was 90. He should have put the guy in the car and be gone.

[Yusuf]

That's it.

[Mike]

I've been around 100 of those incidents. If the, if and when the animals are out around you, you get the perp out, you don't sit on his.

[Tyler]

Neck for a week. So much liability now. Someone get him in the car, get him gone. It's take him out of the car, lay him on their side and wait.

[Mike]

Let us in a hospital, Let them die there. Did Derek Chauvin cause George Floyd's death?

[John Mattingly]

No.

[Tyler]

No, no.

[Mike]

Nine minutes on his neck.

[Tyler]

No, never.

[Yusuf]

Never on his neck. He was on his back.

[Mike]

They're supposed to restrain the, the perp for 10 minutes, then at that 10th minute, get them to the hospital as quick as possible because they're going to die.

[Tyler]

It's not. That's what I'm not saying. That's right, but that's what he was trained to do.

[Mike]

Would you hold a guy down for 6, 7, 8, 9 minutes and not check his poll?

[Tyler]

But don't get mad at the cop. You get mad at the agency creating the ball.

[Mike]

If I was child supporters and they.

[Tyler]

Said, were you trained to do it this way?

[Mike]

If your agency trained you to be completely up, common sense wouldn't kick in.

[Tyler]

You wouldn't even.

[Mike]

Honestly, you can do anything you want.

[Tyler]

When you're the police, believe me.

[Mike]

Let me tell you right now, you run that street.

[Tyler]

You run it the way I like. When I. When I heard that live, I was like, damn, that's a fucking great point. Like, I mean, it's common sense.

[John Mattingly]

Common sense.

[Mike]

And as a cop, you're trained to taste somebody. Do you tase them 11 times if it does something you have. My wife always says you have to. You have to do something else. You can't. You can't OODA loop and just rely on the same thing over and over.

[John Mattingly]

I think Derek Chappelle's biggest problem was he didn't have any leadership abilities.

[Tyler]

No.

[John Mattingly]

You got these two brand new guys with you. Another Person that's young, they're doing the perimeter, not knowing what they're doing there. They're scared to death. You can see it.

[Mike]

Something's got to hit that little.

[John Mattingly]

And that dude's got to kick in and go, I'm taking charge of the scene. We're getting him over. We're throwing him in a car. We're calling EMS Sooner. We're doing something. Yeah, but I'm not just going to sit here and do nothing.

[Mike]

That little burns.

[John Mattingly]

You got to make a decision.

[Mike]

You go, well, even it doesn't look right.

[Tyler]

And he. And it was bad. It's not bad on him. It was bad for him that he didn't have any seasoned cops with him to go, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Get off him. Get off him. Because let's say tunnel vision. Let's say, like, for nine minutes straight, he was in tunnel vision. Like, that's very rare. But let's just give him the benefit of the doubt. He had nobody to go. He had new guys going.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah, like, what was the plan?

[Tyler]

Well, here's another thing. Holding people accountable. Fire rescue could not find the location. Now, that's not malicious intent on their part, but if you want somebody accountable professionally, it took them a long time to get there because they had the wrong location. So arguable, it was a mistake still on them. Then they get out, and they walk very nonchalantly over there. And so it was.

[Mike]

The damage was done. Here's my point. Literally, when we use the taser, the taser's job is to incapacitate them. And we cuff while they're still being tased.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You don't wait till they're done being tased and recover and then do it again until they stop. Your job is to get them in. So he stopped. He was not moving anymore. Pick him up, put him in the car. I think there still would have been a problem after what he did.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And then he dies in the back of the car.

[Tyler]

Probably would have been national news.

[Mike]

I don't think it would have gone as crazy, but it still would have been, oh, he was on his neck two minutes, and they put him in the car, and he died on the way. It still would have been a problem.

[Tyler]

But he would add every cop back behind.

[Mike]

Yeah. Then I'm defending him all the way. I still don't think he intentionally did it. But you don't taste somebody 37 times because you don't have any other tools in the toolbox. You. At some point, you got to go, okay, he's incapacitated. I'm going to handcuff him. Not just I'm going to keep tasing him until he says I'm done. I'm gonna walk myself to the gym.

[Tyler]

And I will say this. It was policy. But what do we always say? What are policies made to be broken or they're guidelines. Policies are guidelines because they can. They can you or you can not. You can go against policy and be in the right based off determinate their guidelines on how to generally operate in that situation.

[Mike]

All policies. Don't ram a car. There's a time when you're gonna need to ram a car like and you're gonna break.

[Yusuf]

You got to make a decision at that very second and you got to be able to stand behind it.

[Tyler]

And I think that's it. A lot of bad things happen in law enforcement when guys, when cops, when the type of people are hired where they can't go it, you know, like I'll. I'll eat this suspension or you know, I'm not scared to get this.

[John Mattingly]

And here's what we can argue. Usually we're defending guys because they made split second decisions. You know, things that were quick. Yeah. That's tough to defend. Again, I don't think he killed him personally.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

That he ate in it maybe, but I don't think he killed him.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'm sure there was. I'm sure there was autopsy tampering.

[John Mattingly]

And there's no bruising on the hide. It wasn't.

[Mike]

I read all that. And then my wife gets very deep into this stuff and nowhere does it ever say that narcotics caused it. The. The main cause was. They said that the pressure. Downward pressure assisted in the cause of death. His inability to breathe and go up and down assisted in the.

[John Mattingly]

Anybody else here do Do Jiu jitsu did.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

You. You're tough. And if you're high on drugs and somebody's doing that.

[Mike]

I could 140 pound master gets on top and then forget it. It's the worst. It feels 300 pounds.

[Yusuf]

But no matter what the outcome was, they were not gonna. No Back off of it. There was too much pressure.

[Mike]

No.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

So just, just look at everything happening. It doesn't matter how much you articulate to the public. They weren't going to accept it.

[Mike]

Correct.

[Yusuf]

And all I'm saying is. Because the video.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

They just weren't gonna accept it. You can say whatever you want and they can have science behind it. They will not accept. No.

[Mike]

That one was never gonna.

[Yusuf]

The video is there. Hands in pocket. Smirk on his face. It's over. And that's all. That's all I'm saying is how we accept it.

[Mike]

And that's. That's the correct. That's the correct synopsis of overall events. That's obviously a terrible example of. But you're right.

[Yusuf]

Right.

[Mike]

Even if that was everything he was trained to do. Nine minutes was in the book. Every. You're done. You're done. When the public sees something they don't like, you're done.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Your best bet is to be able to have all cops behind your back behind you.

[Mike]

That's your best bet.

[Tyler]

And that did not happen.

[Mike]

No.

[Tyler]

So, all right. We won't beat a dead horse. That's the Derek Chauvin case. I think we're probably done bringing it up for a while. He's still in prison and I don't think he's getting out of time soon. People are like, that's Trump. Could have pardoned him.

[Yusuf]

He got stabbed not long ago.

[Tyler]

Yeah, he got stabbed. I do not think it's a. It's a good. Listen, you can get rappers out of Russia and basketball players out of Russia or North Korea, wherever they are. But getting Derek Chauvin out of prison, as much as I think he shouldn't be there, is a horrible PR move. I think that you'll lose. It's not like all of your constituents agree with you. He would. Half of his constituents would be like, what the fuck are you doing?

[Mike]

Somebody just texted me and pointed out that there is on video one of the guys suggests they move him.

[Yusuf]

I think it was a new guy.

[Mike]

And their take is if only he.

[Tyler]

Was like, he's probably sitting point towards.

[Mike]

Intentional when perception is. Maybe he didn't hear it. Say he didn't. But somebody there actually verbalizes, hey, bro, maybe we should move him. So what would the public. Untrained public thinks what. What's tunnel vision? I've never experienced that. I don't know what that is.

[Tyler]

These guys are professionals.

[Mike]

I told him to move them and he still didn't do it. So you cops are all wrong. He definitely intentionally did it. And I guess I can see where the public would go. I hear a guy telling them to move him one of their own and he didn't do it. Anyway.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Let's hit some super chats, Mike with $50. Thanks, man. 30-07-2020 Navy covered up wrongdoing during training accident that cost eight Marines and one Corpsman. Cowards on board ran away. Does anybody know that situation? I will look that up in just a second. Zulu Whiskey said, what's east of yours? SF SHTF, AR15 brands and optic setup. What yours?

[Yusuf]

What.

[Tyler]

What's your AR15 setup? Your ideal?

[Yusuf]

Honestly, I had an AR15 for a long time. With iron sights.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I shot 40 out of 40.

[Yusuf]

I just enjoyed shooting with iron sights and kind of trying to master the basics and even challenging myself. So, I mean, I. I carry red dot sometimes, but most of the time I just kept an iron sight.

[Tyler]

Nice.

[John Mattingly]

I kept iron because we weren't. At the time, we weren't allowed to use red dot or optics.

[Tyler]

Really?

[John Mattingly]

100 pistol or rifle?

[Tyler]

Are you kidding me?

[John Mattingly]

No. They've changed it now.

[Tyler]

Yeah, there was. What was their argument for that?

[John Mattingly]

Don't know if there was one.

[Tyler]

We don't have any money, so you're not allowed to use it.

[Mike]

We don't like. We don't like your.

[John Mattingly]

I have my own rifle.

[Mike]

We don't like you being able to focus.

[John Mattingly]

They didn't provide you with.

[Mike]

Right. That's the dumbest thing I've heard. And that. They won't change it. I mean, your threat focus versus front sight. The focus with the dot. I mean, it does. I had one back in the 96 in the Army. I had a red dot on my right.

[Tyler]

What's your ideal setup now?

[Mike]

Just aim point. I'm basic. I mean we had the old blazer and all that and cool stuff. But I mean, as you is or as you ain't.

[Tyler]

Man, I thought the first time I ever shot a rifle was basic training in the Army. And then I deployed and I had the M4 with a M68 on it. And so when I got out, I was like, I wanted an AR15 with an aim point, aka M68 and red dot. And then it gets the job done. I don't.

[Mike]

The problem is your eyes start working when you get over my age. Now they don't work anymore.

[Tyler]

I can't see red.

[Mike]

Dude. It's fucked.

[John Mattingly]

It's a big blur.

[Mike]

Or that's what I say when I can't hit the fucking target.

[Tyler]

Brian Travis Beach Rav. Re answered and said each call is different. We don't take unnecessary risks with mental health patients. When weapons are in the mix, though, we typically don't walk away.

[John Mattingly]

It's a good policy.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

I like it.

[Tyler]

507. The George Floyd movement was weird. How did the city pay out a civil lawsuit before Chauvin was found guilty? Pretty sure something is off. And we talked about that on John's episode. Where?

[John Mattingly]

Same thing.

[Tyler]

The. If you. If. If I'm a person and I'm on the jury and I hear that already a civil lawsuit has been paid to the quote, unquote victims or the other side's family. I'm gonna. It's gonna subconsciously tell me, oh, they're guilty, they're guilty. Right.

[John Mattingly]

I would think it.

[Tyler]

And as far as I knew, until I heard your case and then I heard it in George Floyd, all civil suits were after criminal. Criminal investigation. That's why. It's because it puts that subconscious thought in the jury's head that, well, if they're paying them $3 million, then there must be guilty.

[John Mattingly]

Plus, it helps your civil case later. Why are these cities willingly just throwing millions and millions of. Of dollars out?

[Tyler]

I think because now they know we will.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You know. No. Has any city ever said like, no, we're not going to pay you $3 million for getting shot by the police when you were committing crimes. James Smith Chauvin's biggest mistake was having that stupid smirk on his face while countless people were recording him. Kind of going back to what you was saying, helping yourself in a situation, you know. Matt Byrne, 88. I know it's been mentioned before, but you guys have should have. Trent James, YouTuber on the podcast. He was a sheriff in Mendocino County, California. Anybody knew that is. Did you look up that thing?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

What is it? Which one? The Navy thing?

[Mike]

No. Oh, me too. I was talking in the chat.

[Tyler]

Hold on, let me go. I'll look it up and say, let me go check on the super chats. Airborne. Homestead. I think that's Tyler. Dan Crenshaw sucks. And George Floyd has been sober for now for four years. Joey Holt. What do you guys think about the Jacksonville sheriff? Is he real one or is that poser for the media?

[Mike]

He seems pretty good.

[Tyler]

Who is it?

[Mike]

I don't know his name. He's the one that when the dudes beat the brakes off the guy in the stadium, remember, they beat.

[Tyler]

That was him.

[Mike]

It was. No, but he backed those guys up.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, we broke that one down. That was. That was watching your sausage get made. And he was like, we've all been there.

[Mike]

He stood behind him.

[Tyler]

You know, you want to. You want to openly engage the police in Mortal Kombat, like, once again, you.

[John Mattingly]

Get what you asked for.

[Tyler]

Yeah. They held no punches. So Ryan H. Sent a message through Patreon. I'll be in Arlington, Texas for the next few days and plan to stop by the Medal of Honor Museum if you all need anything from there, let me know. I did respond to you today actually, and I don't have anything that's needed. We're really just kind of waiting on them to explain why this whole Medal of Honor thing is going on with John Chapman in the museum. But if you see something and it kind of catches your eye, just shoot me a message back on Patreon. Bradley, your mom's in the chats. Yeah, Bradley Tyler, send me this money back. K. Love you. Bye. I'm surprised she figured out how to super chat. I want to go back to 30th July 2020, Navy covered up wrongdoing during training accident. Can you look up July Navy training accident? July 30, 2020, Navy training.

[John Mattingly]

Does it surprise you as a cover up though?

[Tyler]

No.

[John Mattingly]

I've got a buddy down in Mississippi was a state trooper, he was on their SWAT team and they go in, this guy shot somebody. They're going in the house to clear it. They get in a shootout with him. Their medic is on the outside of the house and for some reason the medic, who wasn't a cop, had an AR with him. They allowed them to carry rifles.

[Tyler]

Then medics.

[John Mattingly]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Must be a bad area.

[John Mattingly]

And well, he was just the SWAT medic. Everywhere, any, anywhere they went, the medic was with them. The medic shot through the house. It went through the back of the guy's leg, blew out his femur, ripped his femoral artery and he's got a limp, he's always in pain. And the state covered it up and said he was shot by the guy inside that they killed. And he's been fighting it for years and they won't come off of it.

[Tyler]

I mean, just look at the, like, I mean look at the fact that they want to cover up the autopsy in your case. Like, yeah, that's insane to me. I'm trying to think, I mean this is Sandy Hook. The autopsy, the was a little, it was initially reported differently than actually came out later because they were trying, when Sandy Hook happened, they were going for the gun ban, they were going for the assault rifle ban. And he went on there and said a bunch of things that later, like days later found out weren't true or more came out.

[Yusuf]

But on my, on my case, when they were showing the pictures of the dead guy, they actually, they actually put sticky notes to block his tattoos all over his body because he had a tattoo of a pistol, a full size pistol on his waist that looked like a real gun and all his gang tattoos all over his chest with the guns and the, the gang, the blood symbols. The state argued that it would be prejudicial to show those tattoos to the jury. So we have to block it, otherwise he's going to look like he's lawless. That was their exact argument with all the guns all over his body and the gang tattoos and the gun. So the judge agreed and they stuck all this. You see his, his dead body in the, in the autopsy with sticky notes all over his, the picture blocking everything. You just see his face and his eyes and they were just portraying this poor guy. This is what this off duty deputy did, this poor guy. And they blocked all the guns and everything on his body. So they want, they only want to portray what's what they want their narrative.

[John Mattingly]

That's why you get the pictures of all these guys when they're 27 in their 17 year old prom pictures and. Or Breonna Taylor and her.

[Tyler]

Which again, another thing, when you were like she was an ENT when she get kicked out of EMT school.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

Well, she, she graduated school, she never got off probation. She got fired.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So it made it look like she was winning an award when she was just graduating.

[Mike]

Looks like.

[John Mattingly]

That's not bashing her. It's just the media I'm bashing because the Media is corrupt.

[Mike]

July 20th 30th, 2020, a platoon of Marine AAVs carrying a company of infantry Marines left California. One of them sank. So the basically says. Initial investigation found that a closed pool and ambiguous underwater evacuation orders meant that nearly all the infantry marines in the vehicle did not have the required required underwater egress training, resulting in the deaths of nine service members.

[John Mattingly]

Oh, that's the guys that were in the wrong suits.

[Mike]

Yes.

[John Mattingly]

Right. They didn't have them in the proper suits.

[Mike]

Maintenance oversights, ambiguous training requirements and failure to regularly perform pre deployment evaluations likely contributed to the summer 2020. So saying they didn't have the right equipment, they weren't properly trained, this thing sinks and they don't know.

[Tyler]

So they covered it up.

[Mike]

But yeah, they made it like everything but that.

[Tyler]

Interesting. Tyler, are you a homeless cat too? I don't know what that means, but no, I'm not a homeless cat, but I might have missed something. J.T. hill. Oh, J.T. hildreth. Where's Brianna at? Oh, oh, Brian. Yeah. Okay. Just joined for the first time. Catching a podcast, I think he means. So what we do. Yeah. Is we. You. You've been there since the start. People were getting our names wrong, so we just Kind of run with it. But Brent is. Brent and Drew are both in New Orleans, I believe. New Orleans. At a cigar conference. It's like the shot show of cigars. So they could not. Why aren't you there? You sell cigars? It's kind of. Kind of boring. Sounds boring. Oh, okay. But, yes, that's where they are. They. They. They've really contemplated not going because of the life. They. We hate missing the lives. But they were like, we can' so that's where Brent's at. I heard all y'all were at Pulse nightclub. Are y'all okay? That's a gay joke. Okay. If anybody was wondering. But. All right. So we have a couple more videos, I think. Check the Instagram real quick. Up, up. Oh, okay. So that for top one up there. So this video is old, apparently, right? Mike, you said.

[Mike]

I was told by the boss.

[Tyler]

Yeah. But I feel for these cops because one guy is gonna have. They don't have. They don't have any context of why this is going on. And they. And they don't tell you if they actually went hands on with them. But go ahead and play it.

[Mike]

Two and a half years to back dance Iraq. Yes, a lot. You're not doing your job. I had industry for 20 years. You cannot discolate. De escalate because you're stuck in your job. De escalate. You de escalate. You're amplifying everything. Shut the up, baldy cunt.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

You're talking to someone who has PTSD on board combat doors that we're gonna specialize on. Assigned to the Green Berets who doubled their record on heavy webbing caches. And you're challenging me. Get that car out of the ditch. Get the out of here. There's a tow truck and me. You have nothing to do with this. It's not a law enforcement issue. You had your six deployments two and a half years to back down. Rat. You ask a lot of action. You're not doing your.

[Tyler]

So thoughts on the world. On the world's biggest Green Beret.

[John Mattingly]

Was it verified he was a Green Beret?

[Tyler]

I don't know.

[Mike]

There's.

[Tyler]

I don't know anything. If anybody knows anything about this, message us. Because I would like to know more. What?

[Yusuf]

I think he says something later in the video about this is not a DUI or something. His car is in the ditch.

[Tyler]

So he probably crashed. And they're probably investigating.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

So I think they're going down that path a little bit. And then maybe they start realizing maybe he needs A ride?

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

You know that whole ch move, that's the one you might want to save it for. That guy needs a few minutes of that. That's a big dude.

[John Mattingly]

Well, if he's got PTSD and mental health, are they going to send the social worker to him?

[Tyler]

Oh, thank you.

[Mike]

Yeah, from the helicopter maybe. They're not getting anywhere near that dude. So that's a tough one.

[Tyler]

I mean that's a. I bet I've, I've been there. I've been. One time I responded with a female deputy to. It was during the hurricane. So in Florida, if you don't know when a hurricane hits, some places go weeks without power. It's not, not even really that bad of a hurricane, but just some places are chosen last to power back up. And my, my district was one of them. And I go to a mental health crisis guy and this guy was like my son, he's a marine, he's got severe ptsd, he's been drinking and he needs help and he like threatened me and all this stuff. So I walk in this dark ass house, there's no sound anywhere because nothing's working. So the entire neighborhood in the city is quiet. And I walk in this dark ass house and there's some dude in a hoodie sitting there and he's my height sitting down and I'm like. And I look over and I got this tiny little new female with me. I'm like, God damn it. And so you tell her, go first, this is training, go first.

[Mike]

Your taser.

[Tyler]

I need you to bought the taser. And yeah, he was pretty much like, fuck you. I ended up being not sound corny. I was able to talk to him about combat, relate to him, assessed him. Turns out he just doesn't like his dad. He told his dad to leave him the fuck alone. And his dad didn't leave him alone and kept egging him on and egging him on. And that's what happens when it's like Christmas time or hurricanes. Everyone spends all the time in the house and you get domestic violence situations. And I was like, hey man, just don't, don't fucking put your hands on your dad. He goes, well planned on it and sat back down like, I think we're done here.

[John Mattingly]

Well, I think that's the problem though, you know, cops can't regulate how to talk to different people. Yeah, I go to this dude and he's a total shithead who beat his wife. You talk to that guy a certain way, then you go to this mental health guy. You're not talking the same way or you shouldn't. Yeah, find your angle. Find out how to talk to people. Because if you ever take an interview and interrogation classes, you find out what people's cues are and you work on them. That's the angle you take. And you can de. Escalate a lot of stuff that way.

[Tyler]

I told, I, I, as a field training officer, I always told new guys, you cannot talk to people the same way you talk to other people. And I was like, because when you work and, and where I work, very widespread. You can be working in the hood, hood shootings almost every day, and you can drive 20 minutes north, and you are in very rich neighborhoods in Orlando. And so, you know, I would. I. I'd kind of be teaching these kids effective communication when it's in the hood. You point at people, you swear if you need to, you have to command that. That scene, you know, and then I would see them turn around and regurgitate that with a Karen who knows the major. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You don't talk to her that way. Life's not fair. It's just. And I was told later, it's effective communication.

[John Mattingly]

But sometimes speaking their language.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

Escalated conversation is de escalation.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Sometimes it's, hey, shut the up.

[Tyler]

This is my thing.

[Mike]

Is it?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Enough. And how long do you put up with until it's time. Now, you don't come out of the rip with that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you're right.

[Mike]

But over, over and over.

[Yusuf]

When?

[Mike]

When, Ma'am, sir, when ma'am and sir is not working after the first five, six, seven times, and they're totally ignoring.

[Tyler]

You, yelling at each other.

[Mike]

You gotta. You gotta go up. You gotta tell them. Put their wife up. Yeah, you gotta put your wife up. You gotta tell them sometimes. And, and then it works. And it's like, oh, that worked. But it's right. It doesn't apply everywhere. There's a different every call. That's the beauty of our job. Every. All five calls you go into in a row, you have to treat each. Each person completely different, and none of those will interact with each other. All fairly different. Exactly. All fairly, but different. And if you try to do it textbook across the board, you're gonna get walked all over on one call, and you're gonna miss something on another call. You could get taken advantage of. You could get killed. So that. That's the fun of the job. You have to figure out where to put the. We'll give you all the tools, but we don't know what, where they fit in. You just got to figure that out yourself.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And it's tough. It's tough.

[Tyler]

I want to say this. When you said put your wife up, I immediately thought about my. My. All jokes aside, my wife would be the one that they'd be like, yo, yes, your wife's off the chain. And that made me realize that she said, I love you. And I did not say I love, love you back. So, baby, I love you.

[John Mattingly]

I'm gonna tell her son. Did not, did not smile during that. How long was telling mama that There's.

[Mike]

There's an 8 minute, 9 minute window.

[Tyler]

My buddy me right now. Just keep in mind the time lapse that happened. So I don't know if there's any other videos. Can you check Bradley? Nope. Oh, oh, this one. This one is fucking dope.

[Mike]

Right here.

[Yusuf]

Looks like they're getting ready to bail. Heads up, guys. Bailing again.

[John Mattingly]

They're getting ready to bail.

[Yusuf]

Okay, passengers out, cars rolling. We're gonna stick with the passenger. You guys hot? Stop that guy. The car. The driver. Okay, the guy, he's running through the house, jumping the fence. Through the shotgun. Through something else. Grabbing the shotgun. Don't go over that fence. Don't go over that fence. Grab the shotgun again. Okay, he's running westbound through the yard, going to the back. He is armed. Stay there. Hold your position. K9 unit, end of the street. He's at the northeast corner, the northwest corner of that house. He's wearing a blue shirt, dark colored pants.

[Tyler]

According to the driver, the other guy has the gun. Boom. Yeah.

[Yusuf]

Abel, he just killed it right here. Looks like they're getting ready to bail. Heads up.

[Tyler]

Do yalls thoughts? Because I have seen not seen it. I've. I've reviewed stories and like learned from. Because this has happened in the past. The way we're trained is that you don't take those corners blindly in a foot pursuit because they can be sitting there waiting to blast 99% of the time.

[Mike]

We all do it anyway.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Oh yeah. 100. You get that tunnel vision.

[Mike]

Yes.

[John Mattingly]

But you want to win.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Well, that the one another thing will take you out as a clothesline, a swimming pool. Like if you're. If you're in the tunnel vision, running in the dark after somebody, you don't know where they went. But yeah, that if you couldn't tell he was in a foot pursuit. The chopper I guess was able. Didn't sound like a. A ghetto bird. It sounded like a news chopper. But they were. They Were able to relay to these cops on the ground, you know, hey, don't take that corner. He just picked up a gun. And so they were able to stop. He took off running. And then, I mean, he blew his head into like. Like a pumpkin.

[Mike]

That's a shotgun. That's all over. No questions on that one.

[Tyler]

What yalls, I've been meaning to ask you this. What's. Because I got a panel full of cops. What's your craziest foot pursuit? We'll go down the line. Or if anybody's got one right off top of their head that will say, it's funny how people are out of shape. They can run fast for about 40ft and then they just collapse because they're super out of shape, man.

[John Mattingly]

Probably just one of the projects where you're running and a guy turned and was shooting at us that way. But we couldn't shoot back because there was a school bus full of kids.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah.

[John Mattingly]

And once he got in the apartment, we called SWAT out. And a guy I went to the academy with, I'm on the. On a corner of like three. Three corner that of another building. We can see right at the door. He keeps coming out with a gun, keeps coming out with a gun, keeps coming out with a gun. And we had to work the Kentucky Derby every year, and cops hated it because it was all hands on deck and it was just a shit show every year. And I tap him on the shoulder, said, man, if he comes out again, if you zip him up, you'll be out for derby. He came out, pointed the gun, and it was a good shoot because he came out this time with the gun pointing at the cops. And he had back. They had MP5s back then. That's how long ago it was.

[Tyler]

That's how you zip them up.

[John Mattingly]

Three right up. And back then also, which I got us banned from this because of this. If they had a violent criminal that had gone to surgery, they would have a cop in the room. And I'm sitting there and these are flip phone days. It's again how old it was. And I'm at the end of the table watching this thing. They've got his guts out on his chest.

[Tyler]

He was alive? Yeah, okay. Of course he was.

[John Mattingly]

He had his guts out on his chest, all his intestines. So I'm sitting there videoing this thing on this little phone, and I text it to the guy who shot him and said, here's your handiwork. Well, then we got banned from the ORs after that.

[Tyler]

I have a Similar story, I arrested. Long story short, I arrested a. I think was mentally ill dude who is okay. So I'm sitting in my car, and this transgender prostitute comes up to me and goes, this guy won't leave me alone. He's following me around. And I'm like, man, it's like 30 minutes for shift. And I get out. I'm like. And he's walking up, talking shit. I'm like, you tranny, get out of here. You go. You stop following around. He's like, you can't tell me what to do. I'll walk where I want. And I'm like, without a harassment case at face value right now, I can't. I was like, except for the fact that you didn't use that crosswalk. So stand right here. Give me your id. That was just buying time for her to get to where she was going so I could go home. Long story short, he ends up resisting. He gets slammed. He wants to go to the hospital. He takes a ride and we go to the hospital. And he's like, I'm not going to jail. And I was like, yeah, you are. You're going to jail. He's like, I'm just letting you know, I'm not going to jail. He's handcuffed to the gurney. So he gets discharged. And I'm asking people, I'm. I'm like, hey, I know it's shift change. The swing shift that I was on is all gone. Now it's only midnights. Midnights always runs a skeleton crew. And there's always eight burglaries they're dealing with. So I see one kid at the jail about five minutes from me. I'm like, hey, I can see. I. I need you to come back me up. Like, I don't really know this kid from Adam, but I'm like, I got a guy. I got to transport him to my car and drive him to jail. And he's telling me he's going to fight me. And this kid goes, I have to clear it with my supervisor first. And then I can see him. He just goes across county. And I'm like, okay, well, there's that. So you know what? Fuck it. I roll him out in the hallway, and he stands up and he's like, I'm not going to jail. So I do a leg sweep, and he somehow gets his hand out, and we're brawling in the hospital floor. His cut that he did himself from headbutting the ambulance is now open. There's blood everywhere. Nurses are standing like this And I had a policy written for me, because of me, that says you cannot bring suspects to a hospital without security. You can't bring them to a standalone er, because in Florida, we have those a lot like mini ers that you can take them to. They're not trauma, but, you know, and they're. So now we're not allowed to take them without. To stand alone ER because of me.

[John Mattingly]

If you don't have a policy written on you, you weren't a good cop.

[Tyler]

I want to get it written in a neon light in here.

[Yusuf]

So I had a guy, I did a traffic stop on a Caddy one day, and he bails out the car, leaves it running, and it kind of rolls up and hits a house. So we start get to foot pursuit and runs through a parking lot of a hotel. This lasted a few minutes. By the time I got him, he was already on the ground. He laid down. Cuff him, pick him up. And he starts all over himself. It's going down both of his pant legs, and it's coming out of his pant legs, down his shoes, and it's like mashed potatoes, but it's coming out so much brown mashed potatoes, like brown liquid. And I start gagging. I'm like, what am I gonna do with this guy? So I walk him to the car, and I'm asking him to walk, like, walk to my car. We're walking back all the way.

[Tyler]

Put him in your car.

[Yusuf]

I had to put him in the car. Yeah. Fire department came first, and they, like, we're gonna try to douse them with some, like, we have nothing. We have nothing.

[Tyler]

We can't help you hoes coming in our ambulance.

[Yusuf]

No. So. So we end up sergeant's like, put him in the car. Take him to the hospital, Wash him there. So I'm like, how the am I gonna drive there? So he gets in the car, and he's still act like he's like, telling me, sorry, man, I'm so nervous. And he's in the car while I'm driving, and I'm like, try not to throw up while I'm driving with my windows down. And I'm, like, pissed that I had to take them. So I get him to the hospital, open the door, and I'm like, get out of the car. I'm like, you know, Covid, shit, I'm like, 100ft away. Like, walk your ass up to the shower. So he gets out, walks up to an outdoor shower. I already called them. They prepped the shower. And this guy takes a Shower with his cuffs on. I'm like, strip your clothes off, shake your hips, Whatever you got to do to drop your clothes. I'm not coming near you. And he ends up taking a shower right outside the hospital completely before we got him a gown. But that was my crazy. I've had a lot of foot pursuits, but that was a crazy story for me because it was. I didn't even want to drive my car after that.

[John Mattingly]

I think he'd earned his freedom. I've been like, yeah, on your way, you're done.

[Yusuf]

Well, it ended up having like cocaine and like a felony. I couldn't release them. But yeah, I definitely would have been like, here you go, have a. Have a good day. Like, take the cuffs with you, you know, as a souvenir. But yeah, that was my up story.

[Tyler]

Mike, you gotta have some.

[Mike]

My. I guess mine was when I realized that police work was a fraud. Was my, my first one. I was like, 10:45, I get off at 11, I'm working 3 to 11. Car passes me with no headlight. I'm a brand new guy, like three, four months on the job. I'm like, I'm gonna stop this carbo. Four shift chains, pull him over, get out. As soon as I take two steps out of the car, he takes off like they always do. Top speed is 30 miles an hour. And I made a left turn through a stop sign at about four miles an hour. We're going down like a road on the beach. He gets it down to about 12, 15 miles an hour. Just jumps out of the door, takes off running, lets the car keep going. I throw the car and take off running. I'm great shape, just out of the military. Run them down like quarter mile behind the house, arrest them, get back. The car had went into a restaurant sign, Cave the sign over things everywhere. And I'm all excited. I got the bad guy come back and I'm like, here he is. I caught him. They're like that, look at this, look at this, look at this sign. Look at this car. So I'm thinking, well, I did my job like this is what I was supposed to do. I got written up for a high speed pursuit. Top speed was 30 miles an hour, running a stop sign, destruction of property. And I was like, well, here, welcome to police world. That was in, oh, two, 2002, which segues me into. It was Vera beach police department, which segues me into that mentality of getting in trouble for all that. Where I'm going to do a breakdown tomorrow night with Jerry on My podcast where a Vero beach police officer seeds 50 grams of marijuana. Traffic stop maybe didn't make the smartest decision. He decided not to arrest the people, drove it back to the station, throws it in the dumpster within the confines of the department, just says you know what, I'm not ruining these people's lives. Arrested for felony tampering with evidence.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Prosecuted, pled. They let him plead down to misdemeanor possession and he had this give his certificate back as part of the plea deal. Military veteran, police officer, smartest decision. We're gonna break it down. Probably not. But if the weed was unaccounted for, couldn't produce it, didn't know where it went, he drove it to the station, tossed it in the dumpster. His thinking was I'm not going to ruin these kids lives over but now 50 grams of marijuana now. And so I'm going to do a complete breakdown that but the same agent, his version is that they were body cam hunting which is what they did to me. They didn't, there was other stuff going on. They just started videos. They just started going through videos. They found it and I still don't understand. It's a policy violation by that department's policy. So all day long he violated their policy which says they have to make a felony arrest if they're, if they see one. Tampering with evidence. Statute says you have to know an investigation is taking place and then tamper with the evidence. If I decide I'm not arresting you for it, there's no charge, there's no evidence of the case because I'm not making an arrest. So I'm going to go into details of the article and, and all that stuff on mine tomorrow night. I'm going to release it on about 9, 9 o'clock tomorrow night. But that was my welcome to police world. Chase the bad guy down, catch him. And I got written up and your.

[John Mattingly]

Sergeant was just mad he had to.

[Mike]

Do all that paperwork and it was really now that once I became a sergeant I realized really wasn't that much but it was a, it's, it's, it's just that agency does not like police work.

[Yusuf]

There's a lot of stress with the job of course and then one of the biggest stresses that public don't know is you're always going through that internal drama within, within the department. Every department has it but there's always conflict, you know, personal conflicts between people, groups, friends. Then you have command staff with depending on who their friends are and they're on your squad and there's, you know, you can get labeled and blackballed very easy. The whole thing, there's a lot of stress that comes with it. When you go home, they have no idea really what you're battling within the department. The public doesn't see it. The thin blue line?

[Mike]

No, it's dirty garbage.

[Yusuf]

You know, they stick the stickers on their house and they're on their cars and under their shirts. But really there is nothing in the line. It doesn't exist. There's a lot of.

[Tyler]

All right, so we got. We got a super chat from somebody that said that they did two weeks ago. They said, look up funker 5:30, which is a. A military law enforcement video website that says suspect ramps police cruisers, gets lit up. Couldn't find that. That's not on YouTube. But Bradley, can you go to the Instagram and pull up a YouTube link down there? And you're gonna have to open it in the browser and then open the browser setting on the thing, follow link, I guess, and then whenever you're ready, throw it up on the screen with the browser link. But this is the closest thing I found, so we're gonna watch it. A suspect rams an SUV into police vehicles trying to make a getaway.

[Mike]

The LAPD says they receive multiple calls.

[Tyler]

About a hit and run as well as reckless driving. Officers tracked down the vehicle and tried to stop it to no avail.

[Mike]

Officials say the suspect tried most multiple routes of escape, but when he was.

[Tyler]

Cornered, he rammed two occupied officer vehicles.

[Yusuf]

Hey, get out.

[F]

The.

[Tyler]

Body cam from an officer inside one of those struck vehicles shows the intensity of impact.

[Mike]

When the suspect's car came to a.

[Tyler]

Stop nearby, officers opened fire. Fire. They thought they had stopped the suspect in his tracks.

[Mike]

The car is disabled, bro.

[Yusuf]

It's not going anywhere.

[Tyler]

But they were wrong. Police say the vehicle traveled a short distance and then came to a stop.

[Mike]

That's when they say the suspect barricaded himself inside.

[Tyler]

A SWAT team then arrived to take him into custody.

[Mike]

Police say the suspect was shot in.

[Tyler]

This incident and it is being investigated. So he has since been treated. Yeah, well, there's the. There's the whole thing that's like, we can't shoot at fleeing vehicle. Like if a vehicle's trying to get away. Back in the day, law enforcement used to go, he's coming right for us and shoot him, shoot at him, and shoot the driver. Because that was articulated as some kind of assault, vehicular assault. Right. Nowadays you cannot do that because you can't force somebody in a situation and them trying to get away and kill them. That's looked at, you know, the optics of that look bad. That. I think that's a little different.

[Mike]

I think slightly.

[John Mattingly]

Well, I think this one, had he left, would he have hit civilians the same way to keep getting away?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[John Mattingly]

So you've got a deadly vehicle, a deadly instrument, your vehicle. It's deadly force.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

My argument is simple. There's some videos of officers running in front of a car before it moves and then shooting into it, saying, you try to run me over. Don't go in front of the car if you don't want to die.

[Mike]

You can't create your own.

[Yusuf]

Yeah, don't go in front of the car. Right. So they. They run in front of it, or they run towards the path in the thing and then they. Or they jump on the hood and then they start shooting. Like, he drove off with me. Like, avoid that again. Like, I'm not going back to it. But it's like that's caught on video. Don't put yourself in that position. Don't risk your life, you know, stay out of it. But if he turns the vehicle towards you and accelerates or turns the wheels towards you, starts to move, it's different. You can articulate.

[Tyler]

For your own safety, you are going to try to get out because you can avoid being hit quicker by moving than you can killing him and that vehicle not hitting you.

[Mike]

Let me point out something that was a little scary in that video. Was the one guy. No, the. The one guy said that was bad. The one guy prematurely says that vehicle is disabled. It can't go anywhere.

[Tyler]

Yep.

[Mike]

Had it not moved again, don't think they would have gone. You guys shot that truck. It couldn't have gone anywhere. So where was the deadly force?

[Tyler]

You said it.

[Mike]

You said, like, why this. Cops say too much.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Shut your. Because it did move again. So you look like an. But had it not moved again. Well, that guy said it wasn't. He clearly see it. Well, I can hear that whole case right now. It clearly wasn't able to move anymore. And even one of your guys said it. You shot him for no reason. So. Cops talk too much, man.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Get the job done.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So. Dude. Duder. That's what I found. If it's not it, send me the link in one of our platforms and we'll play it next week, I promise. Simon Futter. $9. Thanks. Nothing. Just wanted to send us some money. You got a story?

[Yusuf]

Yeah, it was just we were talking about listening to his earlier welcome to the Police force. I had a story early in my career. I did a traffic stop on a car, and I pulled the occupants out because I smell weed. And I start doing my search, and I find marijuana in the front of the center console, and I pull it out casually, and I look at the guys like, whose weed is this? And he goes, it's not mine. And I look at the girl, and I'm. She's like, it's my weed. And there's a blunt, like, partially smoked. I'm like, you smoke while you're pregnant? She's like, I'm not pregnant.

[Tyler]

Oops.

[Mike]

Yeah, we've all.

[Yusuf]

Yeah, it was one of those, like. Oh. And she's like. Her man's like, damn, that's up, man. Why would you say that? And I wanted to be like, damn, she looks pregnant.

[Tyler]

But why are you dating fat?

[Yusuf]

I was like, holy. You know, what do I do here? So I was like, all right, well, it's misdemeanor mount. You guys are free to go.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

You know, and she. And she's standing there, and I look over my shoulder, and he's hugging her, and she's crying.

[Mike]

Yeah, that fab.

[Yusuf]

And I'm like, I'm getting in the car. Get the out of here fast.

[Tyler]

You know, Lie about your last name and get out of there.

[Yusuf]

Yeah. So I was like. I went home, and I was like, oh, how do I.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, that. That brings up the last subject of the night, which will be pregnant chicks. Do they get a free pass because they're pregnant?

[Mike]

No.

[Tyler]

And that's. Again, that's. I agree.

[Mike]

They should act better. You're pregnant, carrying a baby. You should take extra precautions to not do stupid.

[Tyler]

I got. So I got another story I'm doing. We were. I was on street crimes, and we were tasked with prostitution detail, like, every weekend. So all we did was all. At the time, all we were doing is going out and identifying them and giving them verbal warnings. You're not prostitute here. Get on verbal. Yeah. Now what?

[John Mattingly]

Oral warnings.

[Tyler]

How far does a verbal warning go, anyways? So she goes. She's giving me a bunch of grief about not having an idea yourself. I'm telling her that, you know, the ordinance that she's violating. She does. And she goes. She starts. And I go, you know what? She starts going like this. And she has a bag. And I know they carry knives at minimum, if not pepper spray, if not, a small handgun. So I'm like, stop, stop. Stop reaching. So I go and put her hands behind her back, and I put her up against the car. I have one hand, and I'm like, give me her there. I'm doing the whole dance. And I thought for sure this was a transgender. She pushed us off my car and I'm like, oh, my God, this is fucking terrible. So I leg sweep her. We're on the side of the road, a busy road at night, and all I can think about is my. I gotta get this under control or my boys are never gonna live this down. So I'm like. And so she's now pushing us off the ground. I'm on her back, and I'm like. So I. I'm doing side control, trying to do what I can. Obviously can't choke people. And. And I can. I'm like, hey, I got one resisting over the radio. And then, of course, I'm not answering. And so then I hear the sirens coming and I'm like, all right. And then, you know, I got. I caught a bunch of shit. Because it was a biological female. She was just giving me a run for my money. And it turns out she was pregnant, or she said she was pregnant. They didn't even investigate the fact that she was. She had a warrant for child support. She had a. She had a warrant for child support. So. But I got call. I. It was fought from my admin was trying to say the optics look bad because somebody got it on video and she's saying she's pregnant, and my immediate supervision are like, so. And it was this big, like, well, optics. And that's just where it ended. Like, optics made it look bad. And. And I. That was what I was thinking. I was like, man, if. Why are you prostituting and fighting the police if you're pregnant?

[Mike]

But it was your fault.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was my fault. And I remember asking my lieutenant, like, what was I supposed to fucking do? Let her go? I mean, if that's it, if that's your marching order, then just tell me.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

If they're pregnant or they say they're going to be pregnant, or if. Because she was screaming this, I'm pregnant. After we had been on the ground for about two minutes. Well, it's a little late. I can. You know. Or do you. Is that what you want me to do? I'll get. I will let them up. But.

[John Mattingly]

So I'm gonna assume if that was a guy, though, and you're doing that, you're not doing all that wrestling. You're gonna throw some clothes, hand strikes and try to finish it.

[Tyler]

Distractors.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, good term. Distractionary blows. Aimed for the shoulder and caught him in the temple.

[Tyler]

Yousef, you out of Gitmo?

[Yusuf]

You can thank Brent for his negotiation resources and get me out of there.

[Tyler]

So, want to tell everybody where you've been?

[Yusuf]

Yeah, I have a business in Colorado. I. I do, actually.

[Tyler]

It's not weed.

[Yusuf]

Nope, it's not weed. It's actually. The money is almost like it. But, yeah, I do residential garage doors and openers, installs on new houses, regular houses, seven days a week, full operation. So I do that full time. And then I. I just got my FFL for my tax store in Orlando, so transition that over to a gun store here in Orlando. So I've been buying guns with my money, getting ready to open up the gun store.

[Tyler]

Where's that gonna be at? Orlando?

[Yusuf]

Yeah, same. It's a 4-977-west colonial. 1838 tax supply.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Yusuf]

So I'm just buying guns with all my money I've been working for. And yeah, that's where I'm at. Colorado.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So if you guys visit Orlando, obviously, come hang out with us and go to 1838 tax buy. Can you ship anything if they buy it in store but they can't fly at home?

[Yusuf]

Depends. Yeah, I can ship. I have to. My site is going to be set up here. I have a website now, but they're. I'm switching it to a website that's going to be like being. It's ATF compliant. So they have the guns on there and every. Everything will go through the. The regular process on the website. But there are some states like Colorado or like, even I can't ship a magazine over 30 rounds there. You know, there's. So there's a bunch of states that as soon as you go online, order a magazine on my website, I gotta. I gotta stop it. It's over 30 rounds. Like Colorado or different states because they're banned. Yeah.

[Tyler]

You have to monitor that manually.

[Yusuf]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Like, there's nothing in place saying that, hey, you can't order this.

[Yusuf]

So you have. I put it on the website that, you know, these are the states we can't ship to. But yeah, this is all new to me now, just getting the ffl. So I'm actually working slow in the process of ordering my guns. And you know what I'm gonna do, how I'm gonna do it, but I'll be able to sell in the store. Two Floridians.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Yusuf]

You know, in the store. So as I'm learning to not get arrested by the atf.

[John Mattingly]

So you're saying don't do that again.

[Mike]

Life. There's life outside of law enforcement.

[Yusuf]

There's a lot of life.

[Mike]

We talked about that before.

[Yusuf]

A lot of life. And I thought when I got arrested and I'll make it fast, I thought my life was over, like many people do because I was so stuck on the career. It was my identity. It was everything I thought, you know, I put it before my family. It was a typical. I had my. My home was broken and I. I loved the job. I put it first. And I was like, you know, I'm doing this for my community. And when, when, when the law enforcement turns their back on you, it's a reality check, and they will. And nobody's immune to it. So everybody will talk now and give you their two oh, he's a shitty cop. Oh, he's a bad cop. But everyone is immune to it. When it's your time, you'll get it. The reality is when, when you walk out of this job and you make the decision, there are so many opportunities outside in America where there's a lot of money sitting there. Like I told the guys here, I. When I started doing garage doors, I was working with felons and guys on probation and guys with no driver's license, with no driver's license that are making $3,000 a week. $3,000 a week.

[Mike]

Horseman is a cult.

[Tyler]

It is.

[Yusuf]

And I was like, yeah.

[Mike]

And they make you. They convince you that the retirement is so great and the money is so great that you just like a month, some rat in the lab, you think that that's all you can do. They beat you down and they make you think that's all you can do. And when you get out of it, get on the other side, you're like, you realize you.

[Yusuf]

You wasted a lot of time. And I will tell the viewers listening now, if you're in law enforcement, I. It was a great career once upon a time. But if you're struggling, you're having a hard time, you want to know what to do if you get out of law enforcement. Do not do security. Do not do anything that has to do with law enforcement. Empower yourself. Go out there and control your money. Start making a lot. When I say a lot of money, I mean 500000 to a million a year. You can do it. It's very real out there. There are so many people walking around you right now making high six figures. They work for themselves and they're doing dirty work out there.

[Mike]

And when they're.

[Yusuf]

But they're getting paid and when they're.

[Mike]

Stressed, they're stressed about making their own money. They're not stressed because I pulled over the mayor, or I pulled over there, I went to the wrong call, or I said, you're stressed.

[Yusuf]

You're stressed if you want to pay, buy brand new car, cash, or if you want to put a little bit down and finance. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm serious.

[Mike]

I get it.

[Yusuf]

I'm serious.

[Mike]

Like, I can see it.

[Tyler]

Yo, I'm not for you.

[Mike]

I can see it. I can see it now. Where it's, it's.

[Yusuf]

But I came from a time when I talk in the podcast where I was, I was borrowing payday loans, I was asking people for money. I was stressed out for my family and I was trying to get promoted to be a corporal just to make sergeant one day in 15 years. But I watched a guy who's new get promoted to sergeant. Did nothing.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Yusuf]

And I had them tell me, well, you need to prove yourself to us to get on swat. You haven't done enough. And I'm like, the fuck is going on here? But now I'm in a different position where I don't need that anymore.

[John Mattingly]

Maybe if you weren't on the terror watch list.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Yusuf]

I mean, I'm still on a terror watch.

[Mike]

Vans pull up in front earlier.

[Yusuf]

Well, they're definitely on me now because they're like, how, you know, I'm in Colorado making a lot of money. So they're trying to figure out how. But it's easy to. It's easy.

[Mike]

That's a great, that, that is a great message. And I can attest after coming, not thinking I was able gonna do anything besides be a cop. Yeah, there is plenty to do. And your cops are hard workers by nature.

[Yusuf]

They're disciplined.

[Mike]

Put the work into yourself, your own.

[Tyler]

Company, or there's no one telling you no.

[Mike]

Exactly.

[Yusuf]

They're disciplined. And that's what, that's what made me stand out right away between all the guys that were working with me. They didn't want to show up at 7am they're tired, they're calling to get bonded out or their dog is sick. But I showed up every day. If 7:00am was the job, I was there at 6:30. Right. And the guys who hired me, they saw the difference. They're like, this guy shows up, he's clean, he has a clean record other than my murder charge. But they realized it was, it was, it was gone, you know, so. But, but when you're in law enforcement if you're listening, believe me, there's hope. If you guys. If you're out there and you know you don't have support anymore and you no longer have that drive and it's killing you inside. When I went back after I got cleared from my charges, I went back to the sheriff's office. I did another year on midnights. And then days before I left for good in 23, I made a decision to walk out. I no longer had to desire on my own. Yeah, I wanted to make sure I cleared my story, but I no longer had the desire. There was no more burn in there. I almost hated it. I almost hated the job. And I said, it's time to go. But I tell people all the time, there's no showing off about money. Nothing. It's real. Go out there and take care of your family. Live your life. There's guys leaving this career and killing themselves after they walk out or they're dying.

[Mike]

You weren't born after they retired.

[Yusuf]

Your identity is not a police officer when you're born.

[Tyler]

When I. I tell this is what we talk about on. We talk about stuff like this. Go go show counterculture YouTube Some love. Me and Mike co host a show with Reagan from conduct dumping Coming where we all. It's like a super podcast where all of us get together and do a podcast once a week and we talk about things like that. And I said it like, I think that definitely people should go into law enforcement, but treat it like a military contract. Don't. Don't go in thinking you got to do 20 years. Go in just for the life experience. It's a wild ride. Do five years. The first five years are fucking fun. After about year five, it starts to wear on you. Opportunities start not presenting themselves to you, even though you're very qualified for them. And then you start getting that fucking. This job is not what plan to just do five years. Go to school. While you're there, you have an exit plan and leave on your own accord with the memory in the back. Like, that was fun as hell.

[Mike]

It's accelerated. The time in law enforcement is accelerated. It's not like sitting at a bank or at Publix. You're accelerated. You're seeing things at speeds nobody else sees them. You're seeing traumatic things.

[Tyler]

I learned. I learned about cortisol levels, right? So your cortisol levels of normal person, if you do a ride along with the cops, you're doing 100 miles an hour.

[John Mattingly]

Whoa.

[Tyler]

Your cortisol levels go up. But as a human natural Naturally, they're going to go down as a regular person, they go up and down as a first responder. Your cortisol, cortisol levels are up all 12 hours to the point where your body says, let's just keep it up here. That's your body. Just like we're figuring out how to do this. So then your sleep, your health, everything is affected by your cortisol levels being up here. So doing a career like that for 20 years is not going to end well. I just don't see. And if somebody does make it out and they have their retirement party, they're not happy. They're just, you know what I'm saying?

[Mike]

They did absolutely nothing. There are guys, there's, there's people that retire that did absolutely fucking nothing. But if you're a street cop and you put the hours in, went on swat, did the raid, task force, if you did that type of law enforcement, 20 years is way too long. Yeah, your, your body's not built for that constantly. Just the ups and downs of that. It's not normal and nobody will ever understand it. And I did 23 years and I'm glad every day that I'm gone. And I wish more people were able to just see what you're talking about. That there is still. You're still gonna have fun. They think, oh, I'm not gonna have fun anymore. You're still gonna have fun. Yeah, you can be.

[Yusuf]

Well, you're gonna have fun making money.

[Mike]

And you're gonna go on cruises and instead of.

[Yusuf]

And the thing is.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

Another part is you see the different side of the people you, you serve with. You see the different side of the community. I meet a lot of good people now that honestly in my career, I thought people were everywhere. And you start going out to the public now. And I go to people's homes all the time that call for service and, and these are hard working American good people. You run into them all the time now and you start seeing the other side of society.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Yusuf]

That you deal with.

[Mike]

It's nice. It's nice walking around like I have nothing. Nothing.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Like, done. Did my time. Did my time.

[Tyler]

So, Gaddy, you want to come up here? Yeah, Come on up here.

[Yusuf]

I'll switch with them.

[Tyler]

You want to switch out? All right.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

We're going to talk, we're going to play a song. I pick Parkway Drive because we go on an outro song every time. But I want to know kind of like what you do. Gaddy is a cop in Scotland, so tell everybody by Yourself.

[Yusuf]

So.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[G]

So 17 years in the police.

[Tyler]

17 years. He's sitting there like. Yeah, I love my job, Karen. Oh, no, yeah, talking here. Yeah, yeah, 17 years.

[G]

17 years in the police. Few years ago, got promoted to sergeant.

[Tyler]

All right.

[G]

So current. Currently work over there in Glasgow.

[Tyler]

Glasgow, yeah. Yeah.

[Mike]

And you. You were telling us earlier, not, not all the police carry guns, right?

[G]

No. So the majority of police, you have your baton and you have your. Well, we used to have cs but now we've got pava.

[Mike]

Okay. So you. Yeah, and spray.

[Yusuf]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So that's it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[G]

And your cuffs. That's. That's what you're going out with.

[Mike]

Where's the gun at?

[G]

It's only special specialist fire.

[Mike]

Okay. Something's like they have to call for one. Yeah, wow.

[G]

Yeah, it would be. We now have more. We have taser officers.

[Mike]

Okay.

[G]

So look, once, once you've been in for a while and you can qualify as a taser officer. So you can take your taser up, but you don't get that all the time.

[Mike]

So your regular copy your taser and then your firearms.

[G]

Yeah, yeah. So your patrol, your patrol, as it would be. It's. It's an sto.

[Tyler]

So you can hopefully that guy with the firearm get to you quick if you need it.

[G]

Yeah. So in, in Scotland, we don't, we don't have a. A gun culture. It's illegal to have pistols.

[Tyler]

So. Okay.

[G]

If you have a gun, it'll be a rifle or shotgun.

[Tyler]

And it's mainly for home defense.

[G]

Well, no, you. Not for home defense.

[Mike]

Such thing.

[G]

Yeah. For the government or for target shooting.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[G]

That'd be your main thing. So we don't have as big a problem with guns.

[Mike]

We.

[G]

It's more nice.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, you're just taking something away, but you're still gonna have violent people.

[Mike]

What is your most. What's like the most problematic call? You guys have the most common criminal call.

[G]

So when you were talking earlier, it's probably mental health. Okay. Is the biggest thing that we go to domestics.

[Mike]

Yeah, everybody's got that.

[G]

Anything that goes along with that, so that. That tends to be violent crime can, can come up. So we've got robberies and how do.

[Mike]

You guys handle the, the mental health calls?

[G]

So the majority of time it'll be go. The cops have options to take them to hospital.

[Mike]

Okay.

[G]

Get a mental health nurse to, to talk to them. If they've not done anything wrong, then that's, that's, that's where they're going.

[Mike]

It's looking to get hospital keeps them like over a long period of time.

[G]

So they'll assess them okay. And if they're assessed that they need held, the doctor will sign them off and be held. If. If not, they'll say they're okay and they'll be left in the care of a family member or.

[Tyler]

Are all you guys so soft spoken over there?

[Mike]

Give me some of that whiskey.

[Tyler]

Yeah, get loud. Last super chat tonight. Brandon Bailey. Tomorrow is my last day as a mate and as maintenance at a Section 8 apartment complex in DFW. Seen a lot of wild here. Would love to hear some of what y'all have experienced in similar places. Section 8 will provide. So if you are a street cop, that's essentially where you kind of. Kind of hang out. But yeah. Remind us next live. We'll talk about Section 8 in some wild calls. Your book is available on Amazon?

[John Mattingly]

Yep.

[Tyler]

12 seconds in the dark.

[John Mattingly]

My website, John mattingly.com.

[Tyler]

We sign it? Yeah, yeah, on the website. Yeah, yeah.

[John Mattingly]

So order from Amazon. But yeah, on the website.

[Tyler]

Hey, order it from the website. What's it called?

[John Mattingly]

John mattingly.com.

[Tyler]

John mattingly.com. he'll sign the book for you. That's it for the anti hero squad cast. Appreciate you all hanging around. I appreciate Mike coming in, co hosting like always. Appreciate John Mattingley for showing up. Appreciate Yousef for showing up. Magnet for showing up. Bradley for producing and Gary for showing up. Have a good night, guys.