Squadcast (Live) 05/01/2025

Summary

The Antihero Podcast - Squadcast (Live) 05/01/2025
Release Date: May 2, 2025
Host/Author: The Antihero Podcast

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1. Introduction and Guest Background

The episode kicks off with hosts Tyler and Mike welcoming listeners to the live Squadcast. Although regular host Brent is absent, they introduce their guest, Chris Hosenhower, a physician assistant and doctoral fellow with a rich background in special operations medicine.

Tyler [02:02]: "Brent's not here. His fanboy club's gonna have to just do it out on one more live. But we have an insane guest here."

Chris [02:02]: "My name is Chris Nower. I'm a physician assistant and a doctoral fellow. I own a medical practice called Emerald Medical..."

2. The Taboo World of Counterculture in Medicine

Chris delves into the often-overlooked aspects of medicine, highlighting the commercialization that sometimes overshadows patient care. He criticizes the shift from "do no harm" to "do not get sued," emphasizing the need for genuine patient advocacy.

Chris [03:24]: "I think that what we have turned into medicine, where we've turned do no further harm into do not get sued. And I think that's fucked up."

3. Mental Health Support for First Responders and Veterans

A significant portion of the discussion centers on mental health challenges faced by first responders and veterans. Mike underscores Chris's dedication to providing medical assistance and mental health counseling within the first responder and military communities.

Mike [02:46]: "He's my hometown guy. I brought him. So he's a good dude... an advocate for mental health for the sheriff's office."

4. The Importance of Early Intervention and Prevention

The hosts discuss the critical need for early mental health interventions. Chris argues for proactive measures, such as establishing therapeutic relationships before crises occur, to ensure first responders have the necessary support systems.

Chris [05:23]: "But I think what we talked about was finding somebody comfortable enough before the crisis. So when you have that crisis at work or that crisis in your personal life, none of us are going to find somebody before that."

5. The Challenges of Transitioning to Civilian Life

Transitioning from high-stress careers like policing or military service to civilian life poses unique challenges. The conversation touches on societal perceptions, lack of support systems, and the personal struggles that come with leaving such professions.

Chris [11:33]: "I wish the DOJ had good statistics on it because I would, I would venture to say that the police officer suicide rate is as high or not higher than the veteran suicide rate."

6. Discussion on Recent Law Enforcement Incidents

The podcast briefly shifts to discuss a high-profile incident involving a female pilot who crashed a helicopter into a plane. The hosts analyze the situation, questioning the narrative presented and debating the circumstances surrounding the crash.

Tyler [60:27]: "But as soon as he had, you know, you're on."

Mike [63:41]: "There is no explanation so far as to why it happened."

7. Options and Solutions: Operation Field Trip

Chris introduces "Operation Field Trip," a ketamine and behavioral health treatment initiative aimed at helping veterans and first responders. He elaborates on its structure, benefits, and how listeners can participate.

Chris [21:42]: "Operation Field Trip... we're working with the Take a Knee foundation and with combat vets to careers... we have open slots for nine veterans and first responders."

Mike [24:33]: "I've done two treatments and I can attest to the fact that when you come out of the treatment, you have that feeling of peace."

8. Listener Engagement and Community Support

Throughout the episode, the hosts interact with listeners through Super Chats and donations. They address various topics submitted by the audience, ranging from mental health to law enforcement practices, fostering a sense of community and support.

Brandon Bailey [20:56]: "$5 a I fanboy for both Brent and Tyler."

9. Promotion of Chris's Clinic and Supplements

The latter part of the podcast features a promotion segment where Chris highlights his medical practice, supplements line T1RX, and the ketamine drink Halo. He explains the benefits of these products and encourages listeners to explore his services.

Chris [114:39]: "We have a chronic pain protocol... reset the pain receptors... You're not over perceiving everything that's pain."

10. Final Thoughts and Closing Statements

As the episode winds down, the hosts recap the main discussions, reiterate support for mental health initiatives, and thank listeners for their participation. They also tease upcoming episodes and giveaways, maintaining engagement with their audience.

Tyler [118:35]: "We've hit 10 o'clock. It is the end of the Thursday night squad cast. Thank you all for joining."

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Notable Quotes

• Chris [04:46]: "You're trying to make dopamine, you're trying to dump this dopamine so that you feel... you become flat."

• Mike [05:31]: "The goal is a solution... not an ongoing for the rest of your life type thing."

• Brent [12:21]: "There’s nothing for you... Nothing for cops other than the planned events."

• Chris [24:10]: "It's basically taking your computer back to factory resets."

• Mike [79:00]: "Remember the video of the... that wasn't supposed to get out in the public."

• Tyler [118:35]: "You're the best in customer service. You cannot tell someone."

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Antihero Podcast" provides an in-depth look into the mental health struggles of first responders and veterans, the importance of proactive support systems, and innovative solutions like ketamine therapy. Through engaging discussions, listener interactions, and expert insights from Chris Nower, the hosts shed light on critical issues affecting those who serve and protect. The episode concludes with promotions of valuable mental health resources, reinforcing the podcast's commitment to truth and support within the community.

Transcript

[Brent]

For YouTube. Boom.

[Tyler]

We're live. That's not really a countdown, but okay. It's a one second countdown. Welcome back to the anti hero squad cast and we have a hell of a show for you. Brent's not here. He's training the the SWAT dudes in Indiana. But we got Kyle from heroed out in the crowd. We have Chris. I'm going to butcher it. Hosenhower has now.

[Chris]

Close enough.

[Tyler]

Funny thing is that was Brent's roommate in the Q course. So we're going to tell you all about him. He's got a PA in behavioral health medicine. Close y.

[Chris]

Working on it. Yeah. I get yes and and I got.

[Tyler]

Mike from Cotville here. Stick around. It's going to be a hell of an episode.

[Chris]

Wooh.

[Mike]

Sad. Yeah. Every comment.

[Tyler]

Oh, welcome back to the Thursday night squad cast. Thursday night is for the boys. Yes. Like I said, Brent's not here. His fanboy club's gonna have to just do it out on one more, one more live. But we have an insane guest here and I'm really excited to have and Brent doesn't even know he's here. So it's gonna be a surprise to Brent. But if you could tell us a little about yourself Chris, because I'm going to butcher it. So.

[Chris]

All right. So my name is Chris has nower. I'm a physician assistant and a doctoral fellow. I own a medical practice called Emerald Medical. I was a 18 Delta. Right now we're roommates for a hot minute and work together quite extensively. Work for SOCOM for a long time. I've been in about 24 years. Have some time in JSOC and I've been a special operations medicine for a while.

[Tyler]

That was fast. That was, that was quick.

[Mike]

He's my hometown guy. I brought him. So he's a good dude. He's helped out. He talks himself down a little bit there. He is a advocate for mental health for the sheriff's office. Provides medical assistance to the sheriff's office, mental health counseling. Every time I've reached out to this man and needed help or needed anything from him, he's been quick to answer. He's come to my house before. Just an all around jam up dude in the first responder and military community.

[Tyler]

And you, you, your thing is the taboo world of the counterculture of medicine, what you're supposed to do as medicine.

[Chris]

Absolutely. So. So I mean I think there's a lot of things in medicine that are definitely not dealt with correctly. There's a lot of things that are driven for commercial gain and not necessarily the best for the patient. I think that what we have turned into medicine, where we've turned do no further harm into do not get sued. And I think that's fucked up. I think that there's a lot of things that when we talk to, it's like, what's best for the patient. Right. Like, you know, talking to Mike.

[Mike]

Mike, yeah, we talked about this on the way here.

[Chris]

So Mike's got, you know, Mike's got some knee injuries. I've worked on these knee injuries off and on for a few years now. Like, and it was like something simple as, like, hey, you need surgery. It's like, well, do you, do you really want to be down on your back for this long when you've got.

[Tyler]

A ACL that at this age too, it's hard to recover.

[Chris]

Right.

[Tyler]

You might not ever bounce back out of bed.

[Chris]

Yeah. So, like, yeah, so, like, what do you, what do you do for the patient? And you talk them through it and it's, it's not necessarily an upsell. It's like, what, what do you need and how can we help you?

[Tyler]

Cool.

[Chris]

And for the veteran first responder community, it's like, how do we give you quality of life to let you finish your career and then how do you get key quality of life when you exit that career that has without a doubt changed you from start to finish? You can't start something 19.

[Mike]

But the goal is a solution. Yeah, we talked about that with mental health because we talked about Reagan went off on the mental health counseling thing and we talked about on the way here where there should be a solution at the end of counseling and medical treatment, not an ongoing for the rest of your life type thing. Your goal is to fix people or.

[Chris]

Say, hey, this is your baseline. But, yeah, but like, we talked about therapy or we're kicking around, like, if you're talking to your therapist when you're in crisis the first time, that's, that's a bad time to meet anybody. Right? So one, cops, military dudes, we don't trust anybody. We're definitely not going to trust somebody that's like trying to pick around in our head and be like, okay, how do you feel about that? You're going to get that whole counter interrogation thing. You're going to get all that.

[Tyler]

I'm smarter than the person asking me these questions.

[Chris]

100.

[Tyler]

I know myself more absolutely.

[Chris]

Like, you go into search school mode. How are you? I'm okay. Are you good? I'm good. Like, I would like some water, sir. You know you do all the things and it happens. So a baseline where you should meet your therapist like you meet your dentist, hey, you go get a teeth cleaning. Right. But we look at medical care like as if we paid for like an oil change with our car insurance, you know, their car insurance. Some of it's just self care, you know, like operator level maintenance.

[Tyler]

So you think that there's nothing wrong with going and just having someone go, you're good, you're good. See you in six months.

[Chris]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mike]

But I think what we talked about was finding somebody comfortable enough before the crisis. So when you have that crisis at work or that crisis in your personal.

[Tyler]

Life, but none of us are going to find somebody before that.

[Mike]

That's something we need to, I think we talked about, but that's something I think is important. That's ahead of time.

[Chris]

Yeah, because it's a cultural shift.

[Mike]

Of course.

[Chris]

We're not like, okay, because we're not here to talk about this because it's going to fix the three of us. We're here talking about this so that the next 19 year old kid that goes and be a cop or the next kid that finishes the Q course or the next guy kicking indoors wherever isn't completely fucked when they leave. Like, yeah, but that's the point. Like we're, we know that. We see what's wrong with the system.

[Tyler]

Do you think that these government entities, whether it be the DoD or the, or all the way down to a sheriff's office, should be implementing this stuff as soon as people are rolling in?

[Chris]

I do and I'm seeing it work. And I think that when you start implementing, like there's great examples of this. Indian River County, Okeechobee county are starting to implement these programs and we're working with them. There's places where everything can continually improve. You're always fixing your foxhole, you're always fixing your fighting position, constantly. So taking a kid and saying, all right, I keep using for, for me, like I just found out recently you'd be a cop when you were 19.

[Tyler]

Oh yeah. They're kids.

[Chris]

They're kids. Like, yeah. So when you take that into account, how do you take that 19 year old, like you were at prom six months ago and now you're kicking indoors at crack house. You're doing all these things. You're not going to be ready for that. Your brain is not even fully developed to your 25.

[Mike]

So how do they deal with mental health when they, you know, they're Talking to a 35 year old domestic violence Victim. And they don't even know, like, I'm not. They've dated two chicks in their life. They don't even know what that is. And now they're trying to counsel some lady about her. Her health. So it's. It. I think it's a. We talked about all the way here. Like, it really intrigues me to. You think about when you're, you know, you're broken is like your car breaks. You go in and get it fixed. It's catastrophe. But you also do maintenance on your car throughout its life, like keeping the air pressure up, keeping your oil change. And that's kind of like you're doing it for yourself. You're keeping yourself in check, and you're speaking to somebody when you're okay. So they can really tell when you're in there going, yeah, I'm okay, but they know you're not.

[Tyler]

Yeah, because I feel like any profession where you're in constant, constant trauma for 20 years, give or take. I mean, like the average infantry guy, what, deployed once, twice, three times more. But you get in special operations world where it's your career, and then you. And then you're a first responder, firefighter, a cop, and you just. You start learning to live with it. One of our first ever viral moments on the show was episode six, where I said, it's a different type of PTSD, but, you know, and having to every day for 20 years, you know, and then so you start to. You start. So then you're dealing with it. You're like, I'm good. I'm okay.

[Chris]

Absolutely. Hello, Sal. I see you up there. I miss you, brother. I love you too. So the. Yeah, absolutely. Because. Okay, think about it like the average adult in the United States experiences maybe five significant traumas in your life, like death of a parent, car accident, maybe you were mugged. You know, that's five. A first responder is five a day for 20 years. You're meeting all these people at the worst day of their life, even if.

[Tyler]

It'S not directly affecting you. You're sitting in a room of, you know, go into, like I always said this. Go into it at the average death call, right? Nothing violent, nothing crazy. Someone died, and all the families in the house, and it's just a negative energy. And you're just like absorbing them, crying. And then you go to the next one and the next one, and so, so.

[Mike]

And then you don't, you know, you think we're dealing with it. And I think, what made you stick out on our conversation here Was what you said about that dump of you can't get any good feeling. So then you turn to like alcohol because alcohol gives you some sense of like you're just baseline. I go to death calls all day. I see dead people. Like, this is my life now. And then it's like, how do I. Getting stimulation out of my brain. Because it's always like, man, I can't believe what I just saw or what I've been dealing with. Then you start drinking. Oh, that gives me a little excitement. And then that becomes the pattern. Every day I'm drinking to get something out of me. And like I think you said at one point, you're running 15 miles a day just to get your heart rate up.

[Chris]

Yeah. Because you're doing it. What makes to normalize. Just like you're trying to make dopamine, you're trying to dump this dopamine so that you feel you become flat. Like you, you. You get this flat effect because all of the stuff is bottled up and at some point it's going to come out and you're terrified of when it does. Right. So for me, like I'm. I'm in recovery now. I was absolutely an alcoholic, you know, like 100, you know, I've just it. And I was using it as a crutch. Like, I was like. And I was the guy, I was the guy that they had spent million dollars training this dude to go to college to do all this stuff. And I'm like, I don't have that. I don't have it. I'm fine. No, he was, it was like the Morgan Freeman, but he was not, you know, like. And it was all that. And you, you, you find this, this realization that there is, there is help out there. And I think that like what it's called me to do is like, I don't want anybody to go through what I went through at all. And from the, the idea of just everything we put our bodies through, everything we put our minds through, everything we put our kids, family, significant others, all the things that we go through to do these jobs. How do you walk away from it at the end and have some quality of life.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And walk away with some dignity.

[Tyler]

Oh, it just like you said, you leave the front lines of whatever you're doing. Let's say you're a cop for three, four, five years and you go on or. How many years are you a cop, Kyle? 14 years. And then you go on and you, you take a normal job where this is your job. Oh, and then all of A sudden, dude, life's like, absolutely.

[Mike]

But like he was saying earlier, there's no classification for a former cop. You're just a person where there's a classification for a former veteran. Yes. So like you're always a vet. Always. You never lose that status. But somebody may not know you did 14 years and all that stuff to build up, like, what the wrong with this guy over here in the corner? Like literally sitting in the corner. I pointed the other way. But like, what's wrong with him? And then nobody. Well, you're a cop. And then like, oh, he's just a cop. Like you don't. They don't. I don't think they understand.

[Chris]

I wish the DOJ had good statistics on it because I would, I would venture to say that the police officer suicide rate is as high or not higher than the veteran suicide rate. I mean, just from the stuff that I responded to in the last few years, the. There's so many times that you go and it's like, oh, retired cop, mid suicide, like retired firefighter. But they don't get all that, the, the honors. I don't want to call it pomp and circumstance because that's not what it is. But it's not, it's not treated the same.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Because when you get a classification, then all of a sudden you get remedies. You do because of that.

[Chris]

You get remedies, but you also get understanding. Yeah. I mean like I want to say like a. Yeah. Like you have a groups of like the veterans. Like you've got. If once you're a veteran, you've got how many organizations, how many non profits.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Support vets?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Like hundreds, maybe even thousands of veteran supporting non profits. How many, how many first responder non profits you got out there?

[Mike]

Nothing. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make it. There's nothing for you.

[Chris]

Right.

[Mike]

I mean that's all the way down to tickets like you can get as a vet. You got like a, a ticket line where they tell you how many sporting event tickets are left at a venue. You can get them at a discount. There's nothing for cops other than the planned events that agencies usually put on nationally and large scale. There's really nothing for us. It's just off you go.

[Chris]

And I think that like one of the things is you just have to, you have to build that yourself. Yeah, you, you build your own community. And I think people. One of the things you like, see in Afghanistan, you see it all over the world. Like ultimately people are tribal. Like you're going to stay with your tribe. So you build it and you protect yourself and you protect your own and you insulate that because who is going to know better? Like I'm not a cop. I can't speak to what cops go through. I have a somewhat understanding based on my military background of something similar but it's still not being a cop. It's not one for one apples to oranges.

[Mike]

No, it's very different.

[Chris]

It's, it's, there's a. Okay, I can relate but it's not so like you go to war, I know that they're bad guys, I know that I'm going to go fight bad guys and they're the army sending me to XYZ country and we're going to go do what the army tells us to do. You know, take that same 19 year old kid cop we were talking about. You wake that kid up, you're like, all right, you're going out in the town you grew up in to see.

[Tyler]

The worst parts of it.

[Chris]

To see the worst parts of it and you watch it get skewed. You like you watch them and you can see it, you can see the change in the, over the course of the career where you're like okay, they start isolating now. You're not going out to dinner now you're not spending time with any of the people, you're not going out to any of the places you like because you have become a prisoner to your occupation. So the only time that you feel comfortable is when you're working. You're around other dudes with guns, other dudes with radio so you feel safe. And as soon as you're not with those people you're into a fifth of Jack Daniels and you're sitting in your recliner and you're waiting for your next.

[Mike]

Nobody prepares you for that. Always on the clock mentality when you're working in your a small town like, like where we, we live. Everywhere you go you're a cop, whether you're on duty or off duty. So them guys never get a break. They go to Outback, there's a guy arrested, there's a guy dealt with a call two days ago. It's constant in a smaller area where, and nobody tells you that when you get hired, they don't warn you like you're going to. Everywhere you go everybody's going to know you. It's, it is a shitty always on the clock mentality that it's not talked about and it's a problem.

[Tyler]

Know what I, I learned Too, Just recently, actually, is cortisol levels.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Tyler]

So I, we nailed it. So we have, we. I mean, my agency does try to provide that. You can go if you want. You can get all kinds of physical training, all kinds of dietitian. It's free. No cops use it, but it's free. One of the guys that does it, he was talking to me in the gym and he was like, you know, I, I've done a ride along with you guys. And he's like, you know, you guys will start doing a buck ten. My, you know my cortisol levels go up with yours, right? And cortisol that time you blew was.

[Chris]

Like, cortisol, I got you.

[Tyler]

He was like, my cortisol levels went up with yours, right? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, but then when we ended it, mine went back down. He's like, y'all stay up because you start learning this baseline of.

[Chris]

Yeah. And so then, then here's what happens and we'll dive into like the hormones and stuff of it. So cortisol and testosterone are inverse. Like they're, they fight each other. So when your cortisol level stays up here, your testosterone level goes down.

[Tyler]

No. Yeah, I did not know that.

[Chris]

So they, they're like fighting and it, that, that hyper stress, hyper vigilance, it wears on your brain. So then you get into the. Okay, so we've got that side of it. We're talking about that. And then, okay, this is stress, this is trauma. These are the things. Now let's talk about the physical side. Shift work is not designed for human beings.

[Tyler]

No. Can be awake all night long.

[Chris]

Your circadian rhythm as a human being is designed to wake up when the sun is out and go to sleep at dark. Like electricity, like the advent of electricity. Fuck. People sleep cycle up. So then you go into that. So that's messing you up. And then you're going like, okay, well I work this weird ass swing shift and all these things. So that's messing with your hormones, right? Your diet is garbage because you're like, I'm in your squad car and I'm.

[Mike]

Going to drink 7 11.

[Chris]

There's a white monster, you know, my fourth white. So you're, you're going to do that and then now you have this high performance job and you're basically fueling it with kerosene. Like you're trying to pour this into this race car. And like, how are, how are you going to do that? How are you going to perform?

[Tyler]

Yeah, right.

[Chris]

And, and so you're not. So you're going to. You're going to compensate and you're going to. Your body's going to go into compensation mode till it crashes and you burn the engine up because you're just running a red line on shitty fuel and you're done.

[Mike]

But nobody talks about that. Like, there's nothing in the. Anywhere in the policy.

[Brent]

We are, Mike.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we.

[Brent]

We are.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

But nobody like your agency you're at. Nobody's talking. Admins not talking about that. Like that is. That's what I'm talking about. Like that type of pre. Like getting yourself ready for this job. That's the stuff we should be discussing, not the fucking power DMS 7000 policies on how to cross an intersection and how to handcuff a guy. And that's all important. But if you don't properly. If you don't fuel your number, dude. But that's the problem.

[Tyler]

And Brett even told me or said on the podcast, it doesn't matter if you're a sheriff's deputy or a Delta operator, at the end of the day, you are a number to the government. And they invest a lot of money into one more than the other. But it's still. When they're done with you, you're done with you. Yeah.

[Mike]

Tell me about it.

[Chris]

It's okay. So think of it like that. Like it's a tool. Right. Right tool for the right job. Some tools are just more expensive than others, but it's still a tool.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Right. And you, you have this place where you take all those things and. Yeah. If you invest the money and the time and you can get this razor sharp thing. But then you think about it. You've been a cop this long, you've been a soldier this long. Your, Your whole career, your left and right limit are defined.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Like you're going to do this.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Chris]

So ultimately you're doing these things to stay within this cone and then. All right, you're out. Go find your place in the world. The world is your oyster. Go do whatever the fuck you want.

[Mike]

Yeah, but you've never ventured.

[Tyler]

You've never been out where the alcohol is just in the middle. Yeah, the only thing I have.

[Chris]

Absolutely. And you're like, so what, what do you do? Like, like for me, like starting a business, I was. That was terrible. Like, I was like, I'm sitting there and I'm. I'm failing at it.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Because the crazy thing about owning your own business is that when you're. When you have to be somewhere at 5 in the morning. You're there because you have to be there when it. When it depends on you. When you show up, you're like, well, I can stay up and, you know, I own the business.

[Mike]

Yeah. I don't have to do that. I'll do that the next day. Like me editing my podcast hours before. Supposed to be out after a week. It's like, absolutely.

[Chris]

And you, you've come from this place where you were hyper successful in this thing, whatever that skill set is. So you're. You're hyper successful. This. So you think that's just transferable. Now, success, I firmly believe is transferable, but you got to put the work in like you can. It's not just a one for one. I was good at this. I'm gonna be great at running business.

[Mike]

No, the dope cop doesn't really translate to the real world. Like, once you're done, like, what now? What do I do? Like, chase the homeless dudes around while I'm off duty? Like, like, what do you do?

[Tyler]

It's a hobby now, but I'm just.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's a it. But nobody talks about that besides us now. Drew.

[Tyler]

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[Brent]

Yeah, I saw them at the NRA National Conference.

[Tyler]

Good dudes. Good dudes. They're. They're people. They're. They're people. People. Like, they like to go to conferences and meet everybody that buys their stuff, and then they'll sit there and pick your brain about what do you. What do you like about. Yeah.

[Brent]

Super chat. Brandon Bailey. $5 a I fanboy for both Brent and Tyler.

[Tyler]

Thank you.

[Brent]

This guy. Getting your names right. What a noob.

[Tyler]

What a new.

[Brent]

Thanks. Brandon, your man. Salvador, this is your friend Chris. Glad you're on the squad cast. Honored to have served with you at 3:20 SFGA. You are always approachable and helpful to give advice. We've already seen that here in the first. Yeah, 20 minutes. Besides your medical career, are you working another project? What other projects you Working on, oh.

[Tyler]

Layup, by the way.

[Mike]

I don't have to do it now.

[Chris]

I appreciate you. So we have a few. So I have my medical office that we're doing a. Which is Emerald Medical. We're private practice, human performance. We do some government contract work. So primary care, behavioral health, all of that stuff. We run some contracts for Okeechobee Indian River County Sheriff's Department and we help them with their behavioral health and those kind of things work with the Indian river shores. A few others I'm forgetting right now. On top of that got a supplements line called T1RX and then a drink called Halo. You find that@drink halo.com. and then my project I'm really here to plug today is a thing called Operation Field Trip, which is pretty dope.

[Mike]

Which is very dope.

[Chris]

So my doctoral thesis and stuff that I'm doing now is I do a lot of work with ketamine therapy and have developed out protocols for behavioral health academy therapy. And what Operation Field Trip is, is we're working with the Take a Knee foundation and with combat vets to careers which are some former Delta guys that came down and met me and they're like, we need to do this for a lot more people. And they found some money and that's what we're doing. So we're going to be in Wildwood on May 10th and we have open slots for 10 veterans, nine veterans, nine veterans and first responders. It is a ketamine and behavioral health treatment package. It does take some of your time. So when you look at it, I mean it's, it's six treatments. They're spread out two weeks apart. If you can't get to the thing at Wildwood, you can come to our office in Vero and get your treatments. They're, they're paid for all the behavioral health that goes with it. It's a phenomenal opportunity and where we're going to go with this. And so my thing with ketamine is like everybody hears about it, like, okay, Matthew Perry died of a ketamine overdose. Well, one that didn't happen. You can't overdose on ketamine. Matthew Perry took a bunch of ketamine and went swimming. So he drowned. But it, I did not know that. Which is tragic. But it, it's still like the, the drug didn't do it. It was misprescribed and misused and he was doing some stuff he shouldn't have been doing while he's taking it. Everything has a medical use. So as psychedelics are becoming the forefront of behavioral health. Ketamine is easily accessible because it is schedule three. Right. So it's, it's prescribable medication that's very old. It's been in the 50s. Whereas psilocybin, MDMA, versions of LSD, these different things, they're still Schedule 1 and they're in what would be study or experimental phases. But even the DoD, like, the DoD is currently studying MDMA, which is the active component of ecstasy. Like they've got grants to do it. So back to the ketamine. It's.

[Mike]

Yeah, retired now.

[Chris]

Yeah. So what? Since it's prescribable, like, it's complete, you know, it is off label, but it's prescribable. And we can say, okay, here's what we're doing with this and here's why. What we find is that when you have ptsd, anxiety, depression, like even in ers, like ketamine is like the anti. Like you come in suicidal, you get a ketamine treatment in the error. Because it in. In by the time you wake up, you're no longer suicidal. No, yeah, it. To put it in like layman's terms, like, it's basically taking your computer back to factory resets. Like when your iPhone's all fucked up and you hold the button down to the apple comes back on, that's essentially what we're doing to your brain.

[Tyler]

Whoa.

[Mike]

I've done two treatments and I can attest to the fact that when you come out of the treatment, you have that feeling of peace. Like the noise in your head is gone and you have that like calm baseline where you go, man, if I could get myself to here. And that's what the treatments are aimed for, is to continually get yourself there without it, which is a result based thing. It is amazing.

[Tyler]

Well, Joe, I know every and everybody knows this. Joe Rogan essentially pioneers everything and brings it to the modern, you know, to the world. And one time he said, he. I believe he's talking about mdma, his experience with it. And he said at the time, when I watched podcasts a couple years ago, he said he had done it about five or six times. And he's like, it's literally taking. He's like, it's a folder on a desktop. It's a lone folder and it's labeled all my old. Yep, it's still there, but it's this little folder at the corner of the desktop. My old.

[Chris]

It is because ultimately all therapeutic mechanisms are about neuroplasticity. Yep. All Therapeutic mechanisms are about neuroplasticity. So we are. When they talk about people being set in their ways as they get older, that's literally what's happening. You have neural pathways that your thoughts are just going through these neuropathies pathway. So if you're triggered to have like a PTSD response or an anxiety response, like your brain's like, okay, that's default. That's the default. We're turning your whole brain back on. We're lighting the whole thing back up, and you're letting all of that childlike wonder kind of run back through it again. So then when you have these thoughts again, you've got all these other neural pathways to branch out. So it's like offloading 95 on the side roads and stuff. And you open it up and when we come into these things, so there's. There's all these other interesting concepts of neuroscience and trying to like, not take up too much time or nerd out too much. But like now what it.

[Tyler]

What happens is I've learned more today, in the last couple hours than I've known forever.

[Mike]

The car right here was amazing. Like, I got. I got all this on the way here and I was. My mind was blown.

[Chris]

The Appreciate that. But the. So the idea. So trauma. Let's talk about, let's say something like trauma. When you experience a trauma, you emotionally stay. Like if that trauma gets re triggered, you think about that trauma or something comes up, you're emotionally the age that that trauma happened. You get emotionally stuck there. So an example that really sticks with people. If you think about sexual molestation victims that were young, when they're in intimate situations, they'll act very immature. There'll be these very immature acting kind of things, right? Or okay, like my thing that I'll say, I'll say, like my first, like what I would consider my military traumas was when I was like 23, 24 years old. Like straight out my first trip to Afghanistan, right out of Florida State, just coming out of college. So my response to those things when I would come up is I would turn back into frat boy. So basically be a functional drunk. But that's how I dealt with all my problems. Then I just stayed that way because I'm like, okay, what do I do with this? I'm gonna go drink a whatever. Well, you know, a case of beer turned into fit. The Jack Daniels turned into a bottle of tequila turned into whatever. And it took years and years to deal with that. Right? So. But that emotional stuckness is where you go, so when you have this thing, right. All right, so let's think about it like from the. We'll go back to the 19 year old cop example. So 19 year old cop goes out on a call, has a significant event, say he's in a shooting, say he's whatever, right? And now anytime he goes on a call and you see him wig out and he starts acting like an asshole teenager, even though he's been on the job for 15 years because that event triggered him to start emotionally acting like a 19 year old. That's. Yeah.

[Tyler]

I mean, I never knew that, but it makes a lot of sense.

[Chris]

So it turns those, those things, it's like, how do you, how do you deal with that? Well, where you go back to the ketamine, basically what you're doing is you're taking this emotional trapped piece, or as Joe Rogan said, all my old bullshit.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And now you're taking it, you're breaking it out of that trauma cycle. You're putting it in another folder where you can look at it from the perspective of five year old man and say, yeah, I was acting like a 19 year old. I have perspective on this. It's not gone, it's just not affecting.

[Mike]

Your, it's not shutting you down and bringing you back to that moment.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's says that a lot of times what people talk about when they say they're having flashbacks is that emotional flashback, right? Like I felt like I was there, right. You know, you try to describe it now you can actually have, you know, auditory, visual, all those things when it gets really bad. But that emotional thing is the first thing that grabs people because you're like, oh, it felt like I was right back there, that that feeling came up. And as you separate yourself from that, you can gain perspective. And once you gain perspective, you can gain control. Think of it like looking at a parade, right? Like if a parade's going down the line and you're standing on the side of the street and you look in the whatever car in the parade is there and the clowns are spinning around and the parade's not moving, you're getting frustrated. Well, the guy that's in the helicopter can see both ends of the parade, knows that this car, that whatever in front, a train's going across the tracks in the parade. Second, he has a reason, he has perspective, he understands. So it's not going to frustrate him other than the noise in his head. The clown's going like, this is terrible. This is terrible. That guy can see like, okay, this is here. This is going to get resolved. That train's almost going to pass the cradle moving in. And you have perspective. And when you gain perspective, you gain control.

[Tyler]

Wow. So where can. What's the easiest way? Because I have the link pulled up right now. But you sent it to me. Can you just Google Operation Field Trip?

[Chris]

You can. Or you guys can share the link because like I said, we only got 10 slots. I bet you'll fill them up. Throwing up here tonight. But, yes, you can look up.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And it is a very infantile stage thing. Like this is the first run of it, but that is it. Operation Field Trip. And then the websites are up. Combat Vets to Careers. Their website's hosting it. And you can fill out all the forms there. Basically. What happens with those forms? We do them. You end up with talking to me. You'll get a medical clearance. And once we. If we clear you and do all the paperwork, you show up at your appointment time and get Drew.

[Tyler]

Can you pull it? Can you go to Instagram and pull it up? I just sent the link to the Instagram. It's gonna set. Yeah, it's gonna send you to. Yeah, a Google page. So they're seeing this there. Okay. Yeah. So there's nine spots left. Like I said, it's. The actual website is combatveterans2careers.org and then you can find this through that.

[Mike]

It's on the top there. You just click that top part right there.

[Tyler]

Top tab.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

Right in the black on the top.

[Mike]

It's an amazing thing. And I. If you're.

[Tyler]

So how does somebody do it that doesn't live here in Florida?

[Chris]

So you. You would have to travel here. So we can work it out like there. And there's a lot of other ways. So we have some other non profits that we've worked with. Like, I've worked with the Marine Corps Raider foundation, the Special Forces foundation there since. And they'll pay for these places. In other states, I've had nonprofits have actually flown guys down to my clinic and we've treated them and they've stayed. We're doing it this way that the. Every two weeks to get access to the care. The protocol that we have typically is the way I like to do it is if, say we treat somebody on a Friday, I give them the next treatment on the Monday and then their third treatment the next Friday. And you would have therapy before and in between each treatment. And then we keep working through things and then 4, 5, and 6, kind of spread out because once you get those neural pathways opened up and then you start going to therapy, all that therapy where everybody's like, I don't want to go to therapy for 10 months of my life over and over and reaction. Well, now we open up those neuropathways. That therapy is like, bam, bam, bam.

[Tyler]

Is it. What's the best way to. I'm trying to figure out the best way to ask this. What if you don't know you have. What if you don't know the trauma? You just know that there's there. But does that help?

[Chris]

Oh, yeah. Okay. So we definitely have had people where. Well, myself is one. Like, where traumas that you didn't know you had came back. Because we do suppress traumas. Like our brains, our. Our neuroprotectiveness. Our brain, it will protect us. Like, if there's things your brain doesn't want you remember, it'll. It'll. It'll come up, you know? And your brain is a. Is a chemical computer. Right? Whoever created it, God created it. It's there. Your brain's chemical computer. Everything you've ever seen, smelled, done, tasted in your whole life is saved in there. Right?

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Chris]

So it can come out. We just. Right. Like, And. And what you don't want it to do is come out, like, shaking up. Like, when you drop a beer, you know, it explodes everywhere. You want it to kind of just pour out gently and, like. And enjoy it.

[Tyler]

Like, that's when it needs to.

[Chris]

When it needs to, and when it's appropriate. And that's what this gives people back. Because how many veterans, how many cops have, like, these explosive outbursts? Like, they get in public or they panic or whatever, and you have this thing where you're like. And you just. You lose your. Or you lose your. On your kids for no reason, or you. You get whatever. Right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And this is giving you the place to say, okay, let's work through that and then teach you these tools. Because all these. All of these things, every therapeutic process is just a tool. All we're doing is teaching you how to use them. Wow.

[Tyler]

Oh, I mean, we got any more super chats?

[Brent]

All right, let's see. Evan says, great convo on mental health. I've noticed a lot of vets and cops pairing art therapy with talk therapy. Warhammer painting is huge currently as a result.

[Chris]

Absolutely. That's great. So I have seen a lot of people have success with art therapy. I will personally say that I am a terrible art therapy patient. I am not one. I'm not good at Art. I did not like color as a kid. Like every art therapist that I'm sure. I got people laughing at this right now that you asked that question, because I cannot do it. I do not function well. But I've seen people do amazing things with it. Like, absolutely Warhammers. Unbelievable.

[Brent]

Chris is a stick figure man.

[Chris]

Yes, I am.

[Brent]

All right. Tim Huns says.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Brent]

This episode hits home. 15 year Leo retired early due to injury. Now have normal job 4 years and still adjusting. Thanks for so many great episodes. The squad cast makes me feel like I'm back with the squad, having fun.

[Mike]

And that's what I was saying, where you're just. You're a cop, but not to everybody else. Like, you're just. You're just a. Whatever your new job is.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You're not associated as a vet. You're associated forever as a cop. You're just not a cop anymore. Now you're a banker or whatever job you work at Publix. And there's no designation or classification for former first responders. And there should be.

[Chris]

Well, yeah, because I mean, well, how do you. Who do you talk to? The. How do you talk these things out? Right. And that's the thing we're talking about with therapists and why my. My business partner Adrian hates my sister. Like, therapists are like strippers and bartenders. Everybody's got a favorite, and you got to find the one that works for you. It matters. And you have to have a relationship with somebody that's going to call you on your. Like, it's not that. If they're there and they like, there's a lot of times, like, veterans and cops will go to therapists, and therapists just want to hear war stories. And it goes really badly because they just like. Well, tell me more about that. And really, they're.

[Tyler]

In a selfish way.

[Chris]

Yeah. They're kind of digging for war stories because they have no frame of reference. Like, if you're a therapist and you. You went to college and then all of a sudden you're a therapist, what life experience do you have to impart other than what you read in a book?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And. And what this has, when you say six treatments, it has an ending point, which we talked about on the way here, where we got into, like, seeing a therapist. And all they're doing is just stringing you out to keep you coming back.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

But this has, like, we want to fix you and put you back out where you can handle yourself.

[Chris]

So I'm gonna think about, like, I joke with people about this but like, like PTSD is like herpes. You got that for life. And it's about suppression. Like, you know, you like, like strippers.

[Mike]

And herpes in the last two minutes.

[Tyler]

Or even a lot of cool analogies.

[Chris]

But the, the way that it, the way that it's gonna to work for you is if you understand that behavioral health is a continuum. Like you will have ups and downs. It's like the other, like you're gonna deal with it your whole life. You've got your brain, your brain is always going to be there. Your emotions, your feelings, all those things are always going to be there. You're going to have the ups and downs. So then we take like, all right, here's your handful of psych meds. This will make you better. Well, no, we're doing, are we fixing it or we just suppressing symptoms?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Right. Are we, are we looking for root cause analysis? Now? There are people that need these meds because the symptoms are not, you can't, none of the treatments are going to work. Right. There are those cases. There are also people that are completely over medicated. There's people that are on drugs that they shouldn't be on. There's a lot of that. Right. Because in the churning of patients in medicine, in the business model of medicine, it's like, okay, you got 20 minute appointment, 15 with the nurse, you got five minutes with the doctor. What do you got? Oh, you got to hear some, here's your drugs. And that's, that's cookie cutter medicine. But if you just sit down and talk to your patients, you will find that they will tell you what's wrong with them. Like, you don't need to run it. Like you can just, you can talk to them like they're human beings that want help. Sometimes they don't know what they don't know.

[Tyler]

Right. So I think relating like you've done it so well. Just our demographic and the people watching, I mean you, when you relate things to like strippers and strip club, it's funny. They understand, but it's like makes the point. Yeah.

[Chris]

And it does matter because you have to be able to talk to that person. Now it also, it's funny because like, like I, I, Adrian is phenomenal therapist and he's great and we have very similar backgrounds. And then another therapist I worked, she's a, she was a kindergarten teacher that became a therapist, ended up working for jsoc, never in the military. She's the best therapist I ever talked to in my life.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And because she's Just like more of it. Because. Probably because we act like kindergartners and we're just like, hey, she just called you on your, you know, like, hey.

[Tyler]

I can see you're being immature.

[Chris]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. So those pieces of it. But as you, as you develop those relationships, that's why it matters. And there's so much other stuff with it too, because then you look at therapists. Well, there's so much of this that people do naturally through the peer support process. Right. And developing good peer supports, like just what he's talking about, like talking to your buddies that without doing it. Everybody's doing that. They've developed a peer support structure. But the. In Florida, a peer support technician, there's a class, you take a 40 hour class, you can get certified in it. We, we kind of help with some of these trainings, and then you can be a qualified peer support specialist in this area. So you, you will talk to first responders, veterans, and you can help them navigate that. So you're basically like a behavioral health emt. And you can basically so that, you know, you're talking to your. So everybody's had this experience. You're talking to your buddy and you're like, something's just off, but I don't know what it is. So you're like. And then you're like, yeah, have another beer.

[Mike]

Strippers, you know, go see strippers. That'll fix it.

[Tyler]

They got herpes, bro. Yeah.

[Chris]

And it. But if now in reverse that a little bit and say, okay, I know I've got a little training. I know what's wrong with you. Everybody that does this job is good at picking up training and skills. You know, you don't have to get a doctorate in this to figure it out and be like, okay, this is up. You're doing this. This is like that. Now the army's version of like, here's your little card of like suicide. What? Ace card. Like, that's garbage. But it's. Because it's. It's a, a PowerPoint government version of how to fix a problem, but with you take some actual time and some actual care. You can, you can absolutely. Peer supports can. Are incredibly vital asset of how you can deal with this stuff.

[Tyler]

Wow, you got a super chats.

[Brent]

100% D. Michael. Did you hear that TK's friend Mike Waltz was fired as the national Security advisor? What are the odds that TK tries to take his place?

[Tyler]

You follow politics? Any of you guys follow politics?

[Mike]

Not that close.

[Tyler]

I do not. But I did.

[Brent]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Who I Do you do. Can you fill us in?

[Brent]

Well, Mike Waltz, he accidentally included somebody, the Atlantic or whatever reporter in a. In the signal chat. And so, you know, he's. He's kind of stepping aside.

[Tyler]

Resigning. Resigning, yeah. Told.

[Brent]

Yeah. But he's still involved.

[Mike]

He's up for nomination for the.

[Brent]

Yes, absolutely.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah, absolutely. TK is not going to try to take his place. TK's got bigger public, you know, problems right now, I believe.

[Tyler]

I. I don't know, man. He's. Yeah, he's. He's snaking his way in there maybe, but let's see if he does. You saw it here first.

[Brent]

It jumped on me. I'll get it real quick here. Here it is. Zulu Whiskey are arguing with a fool. Only proves there are two.

[Tyler]

It's like a podcast.

[Brent]

Very good. Are you cooking? Hello, Brentolina and Tyla. Good evening, Papadruski. Evening, gents. First and foremost, eating California role is like having sex with Dylan Mulvani. Brent, I know you are in the chat. Who is Dylan Mulvani?

[Mike]

The Blood Bud Light.

[Brent]

Oh, that thing.

[Mike]

Can I say Tranny Trump's in office. I can say that again, right?

[Brent]

All right. Eating California roll.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's like fake sushi.

[Brent]

Oh, that's not. Then I. I don't do either one fake sushi or Dylan.

[Tyler]

He got two. You don't do trainings.

[Brent]

I don't do Dylan. All right, already cooking back in there, Papa D. As a Christian, I'm raising my son Christian. Living in UK and seeing how weak and woke church has become, I'm considering leaving the church and practicing faith at home. Do you think Bible is enough to teach my son?

[Tyler]

Well, so first thing is, is his. Is he raising his son Christian or is he raising his son named Christian?

[Brent]

Sounds like he's raising his son to be Christian. Okay, yeah, that's what it sounds like.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

UK is a rough place right now for religion. For sure. And do I think the Bible is enough? Absolutely. Okay. That the Bible is sufficient for life and godliness. The Bible is all we need for truth. And so absolutely do that Bible. You're doing better than most people taking their kids to church if you teach the Bible to your son yourself. Absolutely.

[Tyler]

So you. Hey, I've always thought this. Drew, by the way, we're in about two weeks, we're gonna have the $15,000 worth of equipment thrown in here. Drew's gonna have his own cam, finally. So that way when he's talking, he just doesn't sound like an all power above.

[Mike]

The wizard of Oz, not to.

[Tyler]

Do my makeup, but. So what's your thoughts on not going to church? And I'm gonna sound cynical and I'm gonna sound like, you know, but like man has everything up since we've been, you know, on this planet. And I feel like they've. Man, at some point has hijacked religion.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Tyler]

So, like, man made like church to me. Other than the fact that it, I think it's, it's good for your kids to go to church. It's good community, good people, typically, you know, good, good events, good stuff like that. But the idea that, like, you're a bad Christian for not going to church, what's your thoughts on that?

[Brent]

All right, so the, the Bible in the book of Hebrews says to forsake, not the gathering of believers. So you, you want to gather. If you're, if you're a born again believer and God has changed you and you're a children, you're a child of God and not a child of the world, you're going to want to be around your people. Okay. That's where you're going to find encouragement. That's where you're going to find peace. Finding a good church. Good luck. All right. I mean, Tyler's straight, right? I mean, just. It is hard to find a good Bible teaching church. It is, it is difficult. But they're out there. So don't look for the bells and whistles. Don't look for the plays and the music and the lights and the, and the free coffee. Look for the teaching of the word of God.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

It's like finding a therapist. I just gotta find the right word.

[Mike]

The old wooden pew. My grandma hit me every time I fell asleep. That was my Lutheran church. Huge church in New Jersey where I grew up. And that was it. It was, it was hot in there. It was, it was nothing fancy. And the, the pastor stood up there and read from the Bible. And I just sit there for two hours every.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Church. I feel like church is not supposed to. The way I look at it. Church isn't meant to entertain you.

[Chris]

No.

[Tyler]

You're going there, you know, as almost.

[Mike]

Like I'm going become pretty social. Like, hashtag.

[Tyler]

We got to get people in, so.

[Mike]

We got to make it fun. Food and petting zoo in the parking lot.

[Tyler]

Talk about God at some point.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And that's what church is supposed to be. You go there, you're supposed to learn about God. And not everything about God is comfortable. And a lot of churches are trying to make it comfortable. And so when you leave church, you don't know any more about God than the time you walked in. So there's nothing in the Bible that talks about how often you're supposed to go to church. Okay, so. But you do the best you can. And. But the Bible says specifically, do not forsake the assembling of the believers. So don't abandon it. Do it.

[Mike]

That's why I hang out with Tyler. That's my church.

[Tyler]

I'm enough for everybody.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're good.

[Brent]

And church ain't hanging out in the woods praying to God. So just let you know that.

[Tyler]

Wait, what's that a reference to church's church.

[Brent]

Oh, that's just a lot of southern boys just saying, I'm at church when I'm in the woods worshiping God. I said, well, that's worship, but that ain't church.

[Tyler]

All right?

[Brent]

Church is where the. The pastors and the deacons and the body of believers gather for the. The worship of God. The singing, the giving and the teaching of God's word. That's church.

[Tyler]

God singing. So gay, though. I can't.

[Mike]

Can't get behind it.

[Tyler]

I can't.

[Mike]

My grandma used to get them high notes, man.

[Tyler]

I can't. I mean, I can't feel weird singing Happy Birthday. I'm like the only person.

[Brent]

You're a good hummer, Tyler. You're a good hummer. At the same time, we need a good hummer in church.

[Mike]

Oh, boy.

[Brent]

All right. Kenneth says for 10 Catholic reasons, unsub released a video on a cop going public on a school system. Would y'all possible watch it tonight as he needs the help. He's a reserve drill sergeant and detective, so I tried looking this up. Go ahead.

[Tyler]

But, oh, no, we're in talks. He's. He's got a lot going on. He's going to try to come probably in a couple months, come on the show. Awesome. But, yeah, it's Angry Cops. Richard is his first name. I think he works. I believe he works for the city of Buffalo and he went on the unsubscribed podcast and exposed the out of their school system, not reporting abuse. I don't. I don't know. I haven't seen it. I don't know if that was his intention or if he was just kind of talking and it kind of caught fire. But now the city of Buffalo is apparently trying to railroad him for doing that. So he's got a lot going on.

[Mike]

You don't say.

[Tyler]

But, yeah, we. He. I. I talked to him for a couple minutes on Texts. And then he. I was like, okay, I'm so. You know, I'm happy to have you on. It'll be so cool. And he sent me a picture like this with his huge mustache. So he's. He's on board. We just gotta.

[Chris]

Wait, Is it the mustache?

[Brent]

Drew says work nights for over seven years, and it took a toll.

[Mike]

It's bad. Yeah, well, okay, I'm a police wife now, and it's bad.

[Tyler]

Here. Here's. Here's an unpopular opinion. I love rotating nights and days. What?

[Mike]

What?

[Tyler]

Kyle, Was it every three months or every four months? We switched.

[Mike]

It was four months.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So, like, for four months, just when you're sick of midnights, you swap to days. Now, this is typically places that don't have a swing shift, but. Or the day. Or the day shift takes over the swing shift in a. In a squad of cops come in a little bit later.

[Mike]

But my first agency was every six months, and now the sheriff's office I was at was every year.

[Tyler]

Well, now where I'm at, it's permanent.

[Mike]

You just go.

[Tyler]

You're on, bro. People can be on nights for years, usually by choice, because nights is the first one no one wants. So once you start getting some New Yorki, people jump off midnights. But, I mean, I know dudes that have been in midnights for 10 years.

[Chris]

Yeah, I mean, shift works hard on you. I mean, it just, like I said, messes with circadian rhythm, messes with your hormones, your. All the stuff that makes you go to sleep gets jacked up like you. It just. Yeah, it breaks down your body.

[Brent]

So Nate says you fellas should take a knee and check out we the People Holsters new poster boy. You're gonna love it. Well, I looked up we the People Holsters and. Oh, so the pop up a discount window pops up, and it looks like Brent fiddling with some gun toy.

[Tyler]

Oh, is Brent the. The new poster boy?

[Chris]

Looks like.

[Brent]

Looks like CAG daddy. We the People Holsters. Let's see here. We got. And Brent's out training SWAT in Indiana tonight.

[Chris]

For those tuning in, his white monster is here.

[Tyler]

The only time I get into the live because it's 2.45where I live and Brent isn't here. Is it with you physically or is it on the live? Joshua Burkhouse, I think is the next one.

[Brent]

Yeah, Currently work. Listening to y'all talk. Much love from Daniel Defense. Oh, yeah, Daniel Defense.

[Tyler]

They make you work at night.

[Brent]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess so.

[Chris]

Second amendment does not rest.

[Brent]

Yeah, Daniel Defense. Those dudes they came first class at. At the nra. Man Plight Designs.

[Chris]

Marika.

[Brent]

Summertime tip. If you get sunburned, take a Viagra. It'll keep the sheets off your legs. Hope everyone is. Guys with little ones don't get the joke. Hope everyone is doing well. Tyler. Don't forget to invite Copville next time.

[Tyler]

I don't understand that. I'm reading that like I know.

[Chris]

It's okay, Tyler.

[Tyler]

He's sitting right here.

[Brent]

You're pitching a tent in your sheets.

[Tyler]

There you go, man. I think.

[Mike]

I don't think either of us are putting a tent up. We're gonna have a lot of painful legs.

[Brent]

All right, Zulu whiskey. Drew, thoughts on the Nephilim? The Nephilim? Oh, the Nephilim were. Guess they're going to be. They were the. The children of. In Genesis 6, angels came down. Fallen angels who rebelled in heaven. They came down and they had sex with women. They married women, had sex with them. And then the. The offspring of those would be half part human, part angel. And that is where we get our demigod mythology. All your Hercules, your Poseidons, your. All those mythological demigods.

[Tyler]

All the occult. Everything you know is fun is the occult.

[Brent]

All that came from Genesis 6. And then later giants were called Nephilim. They weren't exact. They weren't Nephilim, but they called them Nephilim because they were. Used to be pretty tall dudes many, many years ago. Chase Lee says. Thought of this earlier. When the shrooms kicked in. The weak wither, the strong suppress, the resilient rise and the patient prevail. Don't know if someone else had said that, but I'm claiming it.

[Tyler]

Oh, if no one said it, keep it.

[Mike]

You got it. Make it beautiful.

[Chris]

You got it, Chase. Good job.

[Mike]

Yeah, make a shirt.

[Chris]

It's psilocybin in 25 words.

[Brent]

Keep shrimming. All right. Kevin. Praise God.

[Tyler]

That's Kevin from Guys on Ground. He's one of our contributors on counterculture.

[Brent]

Nice. Let's see. All right, this is the Bushiest Beaver. I'll take your word for it. Hey, what do you all think about reserve cops? And are they a liability and they aren't as good as active cops, or am I wrong on that?

[Tyler]

We actually had this discussion me and Brent a couple lives ago, but no reserve cops or auxiliary cops or whatever you call them are needed. Because there's a lot of things that law enforcement needs where they don't need full time. They need guys humping zones. But they also need details done. They need cops in schools. You know, they need things that don't necessarily have to be a full time cop. So. Yeah, I mean and a lot of guys that leave the job, they go reserved to keep their credentials.

[Mike]

So we have three of them at our agency that are all on swat and one's a medic.

[Tyler]

You could be a reserve on swat.

[Mike]

Yeah, well they're. But they're, they're actively training with SWAT at all time. They went through the academy. One's a dentist. Paramedic. Great dude. Doc Bettencourt, Dr. Garcia. So we have a medical doctor on the SWAT team, a paramedic doctor, and then we have another fire medic on the team.

[Tyler]

Oh, so they're all.

[Mike]

Yes, but they're all volunteering their time as auxiliary cops to be sworn.

[Tyler]

Because they have to be sworn.

[Mike]

They all put themselves through the academy, didn't. Never got hired full time and then became members of the SWAT team and went through the full SWAT Trout as well, just same as everybody else. So in that case, that's a very important auxiliary position. Yeah, I mean but he's probably getting that dudes that show up once every six months and drive around for five.

[Tyler]

Minutes, you want them doing an investigation for you? Probably not because it's not their full time gig. They're not constantly turning those wheels every day. So when they have to go dust off the cobwebs and crime for you.

[Mike]

Community events, stuff like that, where they need bodies that.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So are they as good as average cops? No, but I mean that would be any profession. If you come in and do it once a month, you're not going to be as proficient as the guys that do every day.

[Brent]

All right, Kenneth, thank you guys for covering Richard High in the video. He said he couldn't handle it anymore and put his job on the line to do the right thing. So I'm humbled for y'all to help him.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, we're definitely gonna do anything we can. And hi to our. Thank you for the 20 bucks. That's awesome.

[Brent]

That's right. Yeah, I missed that. My bad.

[Tyler]

There you go.

[Brent]

Let's see.

[Tyler]

Too busy eating pizza over there.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's good.

[Brent]

A donation on. Oh this 20 bucks from 3 to bane a don on for the in house gym. So we're gonna get a gym guys.

[Mike]

For 20 bucks.

[Brent]

For 20 bucks.

[Mike]

Right next to the 20 gym there's a kettlebell. Yeah, it's gonna be a kettlebell. Pair of five pound dumbbells. I think is how you're gonna get with that.

[Brent]

It's gonna Be the thigh master. Remember the thigh master back in the 80s?

[Chris]

Thing in your knee?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna do last week's Patreon giveaway. We're retarded and we didn't do it. So we're doing it this week. So it's the. It's. I'll go get it. We're gonna cut to commercials right now, reset on beer, drain our lizards, and then we'll be back with a Patreon winner and some hella cool video breakdowns.

[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Mike]

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[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Chris]

I carry theirs every day with me.

[Mike]

And I wouldn't be talking about them if I didn't trust their product promo code.

[Tyler]

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[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Chris]

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[Mike]

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[Brent]

Now.

[Tyler]

Now we're back. All right, so the winner of the Patreon giveaway is from Triangle Fragrance. Fragrance. Triangle Fragrance. A veteran owned a perfume. So when I advertise this, I advertised it as a clone. A lot of dudes signs up, right? Think about. So, obviously, a lot of females signed up, too. So what we did was we. We. We took the female names out and drew from them. And our winner is. Carrie Smith. So I'm assuming you're a female, since your name is Carrie. It's called K E R I. Yeah. So you're the winner of Freedom Triangle Victory. So we'll hit you up, and we'll get your Addy. Actually, I have your address right here. And then we'll send it to you, and then I'll be announcing the next Patreon giveaway probably by the end of the week, and it's time for some videos.

[Brent]

All right.

[Tyler]

You eat that whole piece of pizza already?

[Mike]

What piece of pizza?

[Tyler]

You ate it.

[Chris]

He ate the whole pizza.

[Mike]

No, I need the whole pizza. Ate that whole piece.

[Tyler]

Holy. Dude, they're not small. Okay, yeah. So we'll just start with this one right here. I don't really know the context of this. I think she's running radar for. For maybe, like, the motors. Units to get them, but I think. Yeah, play it. Oh, I think you got to go to the other. You got to click it. How do. There's.

[Brent]

Okay, that's all it's giving me.

[Tyler]

That's all it is. Damn it. Okay.

[Brent]

It's just a picture.

[Tyler]

Oh, hit. Yeah, that's weird.

[Brent]

It's just showing.

[Tyler]

There's a video.

[Mike]

Go to the right. See that little arrow? Hit it again. That little arrow. Right. Try that.

[Tyler]

Disrespect and neglect of Liberty Township Police Department. When it comes to public safety. I have a family in the car, right? This is a bridge. There's no grass on the right side. No black grass. Less I.

[Chris]

For me to be able to swerve.

[Tyler]

I have to stop and drive. There's a. First of all, there's a. There's a place right there where she.

[Brent]

Can swerve into oncoming traffic.

[Tyler]

Yeah, see, he ain't very happy about it either. I have to swerve into oncoming traffic on a bridge with one lane.

[Brent]

One lane.

[Tyler]

There's no other lanes. So this girl, man, a sports girl. Not even an her in her uniform.

[Brent]

What was that?

[Tyler]

Go back to the arrow. Go. Hit the arrow. That's what she's wearing while she runs. Radar.

[Mike]

No Vest.

[Tyler]

Oh, she has all of her. I think it's just sit set to the side. She got her gun belt on.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

There's cops that I want to meet. I just want to meet them. I want to interview them and, like.

[Mike]

What do you think, Liberty? Serious hydration PRR for Liberty pd. Find out who that officer is.

[Brent]

She's. She's curling while she hydrates.

[Mike]

Now, look at that right there. The size of that bag.

[Brent]

That is huge.

[Tyler]

Anyway, tanning strippers and bartenders.

[Mike]

There you go. 30 by 30. 30 by 30.

[Tyler]

Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay, so what we're going to talk about is the main. The main. The thumbnail for tonight is that recently came out that. And I have not found anything to really support it, but it says that the female pilot that flew the helicopter into the plane, I think it was in D.C. yes. Over the river. Was told you're about to fly into that plane, and she defied the orders to move and didn't.

[Mike]

The other thing that's coming out is the DI Hire, slash, she was involved in the Biden administration. Heavy. So some suggestions that she got to her position based on that. That administration. There's some pictures of her. She's a lesbian. Not that that's wrong, but there's some pictures of that. And then there's some pictures of her speaking in the White House and. And part of the Biden administration. And then there are the stories coming out about the being told not to.

[Tyler]

Watch people saying people think it was suicide, which is crazy to kill a bunch of other people when you're trying to commit suicide. What do you think? What do you think?

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

That is.

[Mike]

I'm gonna walk the line on this one. I'll let Izzo talk about this one.

[Tyler]

You think?

[Mike]

Well, I mean, I don't want to say something that we have no basis to say she did.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Mike]

But that is pretty wild.

[Tyler]

There is no explanation so far as to why it happened.

[Mike]

And there is, like, air traffic control supposedly say you're not supposed to be flying there. Like, there's a big thing coming like that.

[Chris]

That airport is crazy. Just where. Just where it is. I mean, have you ever flown into there? Okay, so DCA or.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Chris]

Is it. No, that's Dallas or Reagan or National Airport. Whatever it is, it's right there. So the Lockheed Martin building, the Crystal City is there. The Pentagon's right there. And it's like. Right. So you're basically landing within less than a half mile of, like, the Pentagon, like, all These places, they're right there across the interstate. Stupid. It is crazy. Right in the middle of everything.

[Tyler]

So you're like, very poorly put.

[Chris]

Yeah. But it essentially came down. I mean, they were trying to close it after 9, 11.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And then it's too convenient for Congress to fly in there.

[Mike]

God forbid.

[Chris]

God forbid. They got to go across 66 like every. Everybody else would slept across D.C. but yeah, I mean, I think it's just.

[Mike]

A wild video to see.

[Tyler]

Just to see a airliner go into a river after colliding with a Blackhawk.

[Mike]

Wild.

[Tyler]

It's. It's almost got to be on purpose.

[Mike]

You would think. Obviously, the plane can't. Doesn't have the peripheral that the helicopter pilot has.

[Tyler]

I don't know anything about.

[Mike]

I mean, that. You see those cockpit shots, there's not much you can see.

[Tyler]

What does a helicopter have more.

[Mike]

Yeah, you can see. You can see how that helicopter. A lot better than the doors can be open in the back. You can see there's a lot more view out of a helicopter than there is in a plane.

[Brent]

And did it happen at night or night? Yeah. So they're just looking at their instruments. The plane.

[Mike]

Yeah, but.

[Brent]

Yeah, for the most part, yes.

[Mike]

But the helicopter is doing visuals.

[Tyler]

Who T boned who? The helicopter.

[Mike]

Yeah, they went up into the. You can. There's a video if you look it up. Yeah, it goes up into the flight path of the plane. So the helicopter is ascending and it goes right up into the flight path of the airplane. And then the airplane peels left and crashes in the helicopter. Like that.

[Tyler]

That.

[Mike]

Something like that.

[Tyler]

That sure sounded a little bit louder than that.

[Mike]

A little bit.

[Tyler]

All right, well, that's. I hate that. That's all there is. But that's all there is. There's nothing. There's no black box. There's no written transcripts of a conversation that states that she was told to divert and she didn't. It's just. That's what's being said.

[Mike]

And then the video being released was a huge deal because that wasn't supposed to happen. Somebody released. Somebody recorded that and like released it. So that. That. I remember that being a whole big thing too. Obviously they didn't want that to be out.

[Tyler]

Well, how could. Come on. How many people you think got that on video?

[Mike]

There was only one angle, I believe that you see, but it was released from like a security camera or something. That wasn't. It wasn't supposed to get out in the public kind of like that. I don't think that mirror shooting Video was supposed to go, no, I got. I got that quick. Somebody sent that to me. And I was like, can I post this? And they're like, yeah, go ahead.

[Brent]

There's enough people on the radio and in the tower that know something.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Brent]

And if it's quiet, it's because people are trying to control a narrative.

[Mike]

Could it be the left and the DI and the female lesbian under Biden administration was the pilot?

[Brent]

Yo, their ideas don't work. Maybe that's a problem. Yeah, something like that.

[Mike]

There's no way a DI lesbian Biden supporter could have done that back.

[Tyler]

Number 96 said, I've flown that same approach probably 300 times. ILS to 01 circle to land 33. I'm assuming that's pilot talk. It's not off the charts to see a military helicopters, but they're always much lower. Loved, hated, loved, hated flying to dca.

[Mike]

Yeah, you can see that thing coming. It's taking off. I mean, it's going up.

[Tyler]

Speaking of DEI. Oh, you posted Tampa PDs. Oh, yeah. Administration photo that they took down.

[Mike]

Yes. If you go to. You want to pull up Tampa pd.

[Tyler]

Is it still up?

[Mike]

Yeah, the part of it is not the part I put. If you go to my paid or Tampa pd, you'll see. No, you got to go their Instagram. If you go to. If you go. Or go to mine. If you go to Copville. Instagram.

[Tyler]

Man, you're making you do a lot of work.

[Brent]

Come on, man.

[Mike]

There's a message in there. Keep going down. No, Copville should be in there somewhere. Down.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, right there.

[Mike]

Click that and then go to.

[Chris]

They didn't block you, so.

[Mike]

No, they didn't block me yet. Go to.

[Tyler]

Up on top.

[Mike]

Go on the. To the page.

[Tyler]

Yeah, top.

[Brent]

Go to.

[Mike]

And then down, down, down.

[Brent]

Right there. The circle disturbing things.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, they're good. The one to the left. There. There.

[Chris]

All right.

[Brent]

This one here.

[Mike]

Yep. So that is the assistant chief of Tampa pd, and that's her magazine pouch upside down.

[Tyler]

Have you ever seen anybody wear it upside down for convenience?

[Mike]

No. All the jokes, all the stuff out there, nothing supports that.

[Tyler]

Gravity work for you?

[Mike]

There were some really good comments about why it was there. Gravity Fed was one of them. But I went on their actual Tampa page, called them out for the picture, and it's like. Like four slides. You see there now, how'd you.

[Tyler]

How'd you call them out?

[Mike]

I said magazine pouches upside down. Are you kidding me?

[Tyler]

Oh, you.

[Mike]

Yeah, I commented, and then they deleted that picture. That picture's gone now. The post is still up, but they got rid of that picture.

[Tyler]

What about the picture? Oh, so her standing there.

[Mike]

I zoomed in on that. Yeah, that's gone.

[Brent]

They're probably not even real buttons. It's probably Velcroed. They're probably Velcro.

[Mike]

But she got in some hot water as well for an email she sent out right after the Trump assassination when people were coming at females. And the female CIA agent that was there, they got some flack because she sent, like, an email out to, like, the agency about, like, CIA agent.

[Chris]

The Secret Service.

[Mike]

Oh, was it. I'm sorry, Secret Service. Sorry, Secret Service. Yeah, the Secret Service agent. There was some email that this lady sent out to everybody, and then the stories start pouring in. I got 20 messages from Tampa PD.

[Tyler]

What happened? What'd she say?

[Mike]

Basically, like, this is. They're attacking females. Females are great, like, defending, and so there's. It's out there somewhere. It was. It was a huge deal, but.

[Tyler]

Well, let's go to the mirror shooting. Drew, I'm sorry, you're gonna have to go back to our dm. Oh, you're in there. It's. It's down. I think it's down. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, up. Right there.

[Brent]

Right here?

[Tyler]

Yep.

[Mike]

Oh, this is my version of it, though. It's edited.

[Tyler]

It's edited.

[Mike]

Yeah. It's gonna be funn.

[Tyler]

Look, have you seen this.

[Mike]

Man?

[Chris]

Oh, my God.

[Mike]

False.

[Chris]

False.

[Tyler]

False.

[Mike]

False freaking mirror, bro.

[Tyler]

That way. All right, that's it.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's my version. That was my edited version of the. It's awesome.

[Tyler]

Oh, my God. I love how she's, like, false.

[Chris]

False.

[Tyler]

False training.

[Mike]

That must be their term for.

[Tyler]

Right?

[Mike]

Like when they accidentally shoot somebody. How often do they accidentally shoot somebody that they actually have a term for it, even in training thing. Well, some of the obvious points there. She's. She's using a gun light, which is when you're ready to shoot somebody with your gun, you turn, use your gun light. You don't search with a gun. Yeah, you don't know, you know, like, pop the trunk or look. I mean, is there any drugs in the back? You don't do that. So you should have a secondary admin light for searching and then holding your gun. And then obviously, where was her target identification? Her target was a cop that looked awful lot like her. Looked an awful lot like her. So that's a tough one.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, so my thing is her reaction to doing it was almost, like, playful. Like, bro, it was A mirror. Like, not serious at all.

[Mike]

Yeah, but I didn't think at that point you're, you know, you're. And I guess laughing is. What is she gonna do? I mean, you're, you know, you up big.

[Tyler]

I heard that she's most likely. I was talking to somebody and they're like, what. What are you gonna get a couple hours for that? You're not. You're not gonna get fired for it.

[Mike]

I would fire.

[Chris]

Well, you.

[Mike]

I ha. You would have to. How do you. If she shoots somebody and it's questionable at any point the rest of her career, you show that video in a lawsuit and go, this chick couldn't identify herself.

[Chris]

She shot herself.

[Mike]

She shot herself. So how do you justify that in any lawsuit. Any lawsuit from here forward. She shot herself, dude.

[Tyler]

Damn, son.

[Brent]

Where'd you find this?

[Mike]

There's a lot of things you can combat back from. I don't know how you come back from that one.

[Tyler]

Well, you know, what's that? Know what sex is when she. Well, I wasn't saying when she kills herself, they're going to be like, we saw it coming.

[Mike]

I mean, I feel terrible. I feel terrible. There's a. Separate from like, the job and the person. I feel terrible for the person. But that cannot happen. That can't happen. That can't happen.

[Tyler]

Dude. When I. When I'm searching a house and you're any. No matter how much of a badass copy or how long are you doing it, when you're searching a dark house, your things can jump. Scare you?

[Mike]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Tyler]

My finger is like up on the slide like this for that reason. It's like the furthest I can get my finger from that trigger.

[Chris]

I mean, that's. That should. Anytime you're going through a building, you know, I like that. Yeah. It's scary because you're like. Well, it's kind of like when you go, like, do CQB and then they get SIM rounds on you the first time or like, utmost. The idea of how good you think you are at that versus how really not good you are. Like, with somebody shooting back like you.

[Mike]

Yeah, but the training you do for, like, entry, like. Like shoot House training is to ident. You have to identify a target. We. I know you guys do it with the letters and shapes and all that and stuff. You get called out of shape in a letter.

[Tyler]

You want to hear something shitty that I did?

[Mike]

I was there, but I don't remember.

[Tyler]

I don't think we were together when we were. We were doing. We were just entered week Two, which was cqb. And so I was running drills by myself on free time, you know, like they were like, hey, you got some downtime. You guys want to do your own room clearing? Just entering, doing the basic fundamentals. So I was engaging a target. Every time I entered this room, I was engaging the same target. Just working on fundamentals. Not really work. We immediately go into a drill in that same room.

[Mike]

You knew it was there.

[Tyler]

And I went, well, at the time, I did it 20 times. It wasn't a copy. Pop it. And it was a guy with a badge.

[Mike]

Is that why we did all those push ups? You were the reason. Now I remember.

[Brent]

All right, all right. Bad Tyrant05 says awesome show. Love what you guys are doing. Would ketamine therapy be good in learning to manage pain from nerve damage?

[Chris]

Absolutely, Chris. All right, now I'll dive in on this one.

[Tyler]

So.

[Chris]

So the protocol is different. It's different than the mental health protocol. We do have a chronic pain protocol. There's a migraine protocol as well. People that have neuropathic pain and nerve damage pain. We can so very over simplistic explanation of how it works is tell us.

[Brent]

To it like we're eight years old.

[Tyler]

Tell it to me like I'm five, no more.

[Chris]

All right, so your, your brain perceives pain and when it's constantly in pain, like in the case of, of nerve damage innocuous, it'll start perceiving everything as pain. So pain receptors are like fired up and this. So like simple things that would not be registered as pain. So like that would be painful because your brain is just interpreting every response as pain. So from that same like resetting the iPhone till the apple comes back on, do the same thing. We basically reset the pain receptors. And so it's not that you're not. You're just not over perceiving everything that's pain. So absolutely you can get in touch with us if you want to know more about that and we can 100.

[Mike]

Help you out, make the pain go away.

[Tyler]

Whoa. Have you ever seen that meme where it's like when I go to the VA and it's like the doctor, it says doctor and it's like, what's your level amount? What's your amount? It's like the normal amount of zero.

[Chris]

Absolutely.

[Brent]

All right. Anniversary of LA riots. Dang, that's. That's going back. Would be interesting to interview one of the rooftop Koreans. Perspective when no one is coming to help.

[Mike]

That's a long time ago.

[Tyler]

You think they're still like Yeah, I don't know. You think they're still up there?

[Brent]

Is that 84?

[Chris]

92.

[Brent]

92. Okay. No, not as old as I thought. All right. Still.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I would love to have one of the Asian rooftop.

[Mike]

Korean.

[Tyler]

Koreans.

[Brent]

And bring some Asian bar, some Korean barbecue when they do some Asian barbecue. A little Korean barbecue. Pretty good Zulu whiskey. $99 squeezed in a Super chat there. Only law enforcement. Military should have guns. Zulu, are you drinking tonight?

[Tyler]

No, I think she's trolling or it's at first off. Zulu. She's not a girl. I'm sorry. It's. It's. But it's the profile picture of the girl. But yes, they. I've seen their page. They know that that's not true.

[Brent]

All right, Mr. Girth, what is the gayest guilty pleasure band or singer you listen to?

[Tyler]

Eddie Murphy Party all the time. I love that song.

[Mike]

Is that the closing song? Yeah.

[Brent]

Will that be the closing song tonight?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent]

Let's do that, man. That'd be the closest up, of course, unless somebody gives 100 bucks for something else. Sun Wukong. So did that beach crash on purpose?

[Mike]

I don't know.

[Tyler]

That's. I've been. I don't know. I. I can't sit there and say I've read five things and verified all of them because all five articles I've seen have no factual.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Anything.

[Chris]

Is this somebody's Instagram post?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Getting. Getting red blooded Americans all around.

[Brent]

I. I don't know. It was a Blackhawk, right?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah. I mean, come on. I mean, Di. Hire. Whatever you want to call it. Still a Blackhawk pilot?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

I mean, this. This is not a weak minded individual. This is a Blackhawk pilot.

[Tyler]

So you're saying they shouldn't have crashed into an airliner?

[Brent]

The. The fact that she crashed on purpose. I. I just. I don't. I don't see a person at that caliber throwing it all away like that. I just don't.

[Chris]

Yeah. All things being equal, that. Yeah, like that doesn't sound right. Occam's rather right. Simplest explanation is the correct one. Like it was an accident, you know?

[Brent]

Doesn't sound right. Yeah, she made a mistake, but on purpose. It just doesn't sound like a Blackhawk pilot.

[Tyler]

I. I love conspiracies more, though.

[Mike]

There's a lot of black.

[Tyler]

Who was on that plane.

[Chris]

You don't believe in any conspiracies?

[Mike]

It was a. Was it. Was it not? The. There was a softball team or volleyball team involved in a craft. Was that the one? What wasn't it like a sports. Yeah, it was a. Volleyball. Kentucky. Maybe it.

[Chris]

Oh, the whole team.

[Brent]

A girl. A girl team or something.

[Mike]

Gymnastics.

[Chris]

Like the Olympics take.

[Mike]

Yeah, like something to that effect.

[Chris]

Yeah, there's figure skating.

[Brent]

I thought it was figure skating.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Brent]

Nailed it. All right, let's see. Zulu whiskey back in again for a 9.99.

[Tyler]

Oh, there you go.

[Brent]

All right. Back up there.

[Mike]

Love it.

[Brent]

Absolutely trolling. Tyler, you creeping my page? All right, Donut shop podcast. There he is.

[Mike]

Oh, 20 bucks.

[Chris]

20 bucks for party all the time.

[Brent]

All right, we already got in for the closing side.

[Tyler]

All right, so. So, Chris, I've got to ask you a question. Do you believe the moon landing happened?

[Chris]

I do.

[Tyler]

You do?

[Mike]

Did you see that picture that just came out of the. The rover? Like, it's a Pakistani something or Indian satellite. Took a picture of the moon and the like, rovers on the moon. It's all over the Internet now.

[Tyler]

What Rover?

[Chris]

We drove around.

[Mike]

Rover. Drive on over the thing. They drove around.

[Tyler]

Oh, so it's there.

[Mike]

There's a picture of a, like, satellite image from another country that shows that.

[Tyler]

Have you changed your stance?

[Mike]

No, we didn't go to the moon. Really? Nope. Nope.

[Chris]

Is the Earth flat?

[Mike]

No, it's not flat. As close to the moon as Katy Perry did.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, because the videos are horrendous.

[Mike]

Horrendous.

[Brent]

It was the 60s.

[Mike]

Yeah. Who. Reagan makes a great point when it's taken off. Who is videoing this rocket from the moon as it takes off? Who's standing there with it?

[Tyler]

You got it. Someone's got to stay behind, bro.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's still up there, I guess.

[Tyler]

Because what the argument is we didn't have the remote technology. Right.

[Mike]

They're saying that there wouldn't have been enough. There was the. The lag in the. In the technology to actually real time follow it. Taken back off would have been so far behind, it wouldn't have been able to do it.

[Brent]

I don't know the answer to that, but there is one.

[Mike]

There's a video of it.

[Chris]

Okay. I don't know. Let's ask Chat. GPT.

[Mike]

One thing I do want to say right now, that up in Michigan, Grand Rapids at trials going on for Christopher. Sure. The Taser. The guy took the taser away and then he shot the guy in the back of the head.

[Tyler]

What?

[Mike]

Remember the video of the. Gets in a fight. The officer gets in a fight with the dude. He ends up on top of him, pops in the back of the head. Grand Rapids, Michigan. I'm gonna pull it Up.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Mike]

It's a hot one right now.

[Tyler]

Can I get some notice? Okay.

[Chris]

Delete browser history.

[Mike]

Grand Rapids, Michigan I was busy watching other videos.

[Tyler]

Gosh.

[Chris]

I thought we were done.

[Mike]

It's an important one I think to a lot of people are are messaging me about and actually the captain that testified yesterday in the trial.

[Brent]

What do you want me shirts, bro.

[Mike]

Grand Rapids, Michigan Shooting right here. This one here? Yeah.

[Brent]

This one right here.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That's good. I think you're gonna recognize it once you get the part where it happens.

[Chris]

Let's make it bigger. Busy makes growing your business. Thank you, David.

[Brent]

Good afternoon, everyone.

[Mike]

Fast forward to some of those being here Video Just keep going.

[Chris]

Are fortunate to have chief Winstrom who.

[Mike]

Is both sure that we're looking for the body cam or the. Or the video.

[Tyler]

I don't think this is the body cam. It's official. City station.

[Mike]

Yeah. Go up there shooting video. Keep going down. Several years ago.

[Tyler]

Bear with us. Grand rapid shooting brings that's part of the trial.

[Mike]

That was one of the expert witnesses.

[Tyler]

I don't want to watch the news but maybe right BWC in the search.

[Mike]

Body work or just video.

[Tyler]

Yeah, bwc. Try that. Damn.

[Mike]

They're hiding it.

[Tyler]

They're hiding it.

[Mike]

That's not it. Anyway, they end up in the front yard. Guy takes his taser cops on top of him and he pops him in the back of the head.

[Tyler]

Okay, so he took the taser from the cop.

[Mike]

Yes. It starts at a traffic stop right here. There you go. Right there. Right there. Down, down, down, down, down. Right there. There's how it ends right there. So I don't know how much you need to watch late today showing the.

[Tyler]

Delhi we're about to show you following the trap.

[Mike]

Firing.

[Tyler]

And then they don't even your Steve Osinsami.

[Mike]

Stay in the car. Stay in the car.

[Tyler]

Traffic stop.

[Chris]

Police in Grand Rapids, Michigan who've been accused of hiding details in this case.

[Tyler]

Say tonight they're sharing all the video they have.

[Chris]

No.

[Tyler]

Stop.

[Brent]

Stop. Patrion's ranch the usual suspect.

[Tyler]

The video from the officer's body camera and dash camera from a cell phone and from a security camera recording from across the street all show the moment when the unidentified officer pulls over 26 year old in the morning of April 4th. What started with a license plate that.

[Chris]

Wasn'T registered to the vehicle turned into.

[Tyler]

A struggle when the 26 year old tried to run and then fought with a police officer in front of witnesses and cameras. Stop.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Tyler]

You see them struggle over the officer's stun gun. Even as the officer fires it. In the last few moments the officer is on top of the man and then pulls out his gun and fires. The police chief confirmed today that his officer shot the young man in the head.

[Mike]

Shot him in the head. So some of the things that came.

[Tyler]

Out was did he die?

[Mike]

Yes, very, very quickly. So like I talked to Jay Wadsworth from EFC and Jay was saying how they're trying to. So the expert, Jake Wadsworth, who's that Effective fitness combatives. Police want police post.

[Tyler]

Jay W. Oh, oh yeah. Police post guy.

[Mike]

Yeah. Not the main guy, but one that teaches.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

So anyway, so we talked about it and they tried to call that a position of advantage when you're on top of somebody. Like it's not. What I ranted about the other day.

[Tyler]

Was, well, he was. The other guys, they were belly to back.

[Mike]

Correct. One of the biggest things that pissed me off was the prosecutor's expert witness in use of force was a five year Tallahassee cop that then became an inspector general's office employee, then went and got his, all his college bells and whistles and became a professor at University of South Carolina. He is the expert witness in the use of force. Five years on the job, you are not an expert in anything after five years. So it drove me nuts. Then the captain who testified side for the officer was messaging me. He did a really good job. He was getting drilled by the, the prosecutor. But it's unfortunate and I, I don't really go crazy into that what happened but.

[Tyler]

Well, it's pretty good.

[Mike]

The non expert, they consider that a position of advantage. Like you're not in any advantage.

[Tyler]

Literally raising up a belly to back if you're on top is not a position. No, he's now almost in control.

[Mike]

If you watch the whole body cam because what happens is as he's on top of him, at some point the body cam deactivates because of the pressure on the back. But you can hear the cop is exhausted. He's tried takedowns, he's tried. Now people argue, training, all that other stuff. I'm not getting into that. The cop was exhausted. He had fought this guy for a good amount of time, tried takedowns, tried passive control, tried all that stuff, tries to tase him. Guy gets the taser at the point where you're exhausted. Now a guy's got your taser, you're pretty much out of options. Yeah, you're out of options because if.

[Tyler]

He didn't, I would say they have an argument to break contact. If he didn't have the taser. Taser, Correct. Like if you're wrestling a dude and he's resisting, he's trying to get away from you and you're gassed, maybe it's.

[Mike]

Time to back off.

[Tyler]

Catch your breath. See where he's going. Get the bird. Get canine. Track him.

[Mike]

He's got backup coming. But, but he is at the level. He's exhausted. He's fought with this guy for a good amount of time. The guy's not cooperating. Obviously now he's got his taser. So now you have to come down to he did not hand the guy to say the guy took it. So it. Dude, like I am. I don't understand how that's even the problem.

[Tyler]

It's, it's, it's spineless agencies that train people. They train us. If they take your taser or any weapon that can incapacitate you, that's lethal force because it can incapacitate you for five seconds, which they can then take your gun and kill you. That's. So it's set up like that. There's a use of force continuum that's set up. It's scripture. It's black and white. When something happens like this, people want to see their sausage get made. They have body worn cameras. Now the news. Get this stuff. Now they can see this stuff in real time and it looks nasty. But that's police work.

[Mike]

It is. And what is the common denominator? Resisting subject. Oh, and then the news. You hear the news? Oh, for a tag on the car?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Then why the fuck did you, if it was such a small problem, stay there and handle it. Don't resist, don't fight the police. Stay and handle it. It's such a minor issue. Well, it turned into a major issue. And the cop had nothing to do with that. Major issue because the dude probably would got a ticket and been gone. Yeah, they got way bigger problems. Exactly. But when you start resisting. Does he have a gun? Does he have gun? His waistband. Now all those triggers go off in your head that there's obviously more than a problem than just a tag on the car. But it's cop's fault and I feel terrible.

[Tyler]

How do you think that trial's gonna go?

[Mike]

I don't know, I. I mean when you start having five year expert witnesses come into court testifying for the prosecution, it drives me bananas.

[Tyler]

Well, remember the Wendy shooting? There was a. There was a guy that sparked a. It sparked a huge riot. They're running through the Wendy's parking lot and he had. And he turned to shoot the taser at the cops. So they killed him. And everybody hated that.

[Mike]

Yeah, but I mean, it always starts.

[Tyler]

Here's what we do. We just get rid of tasers, go back to man to man. Mono imana, fighting. And then there's no reason to shoot somebody because they don't have your taser.

[Mike]

Lateral vascular necro restraint. Easiest one. Safest and easiest technique guarantee. Yeah, well, you don't choke. Not an air choke, a blood choke. Yeah, simple. They go to sleep for 10 seconds, you cuff them and you wake them up.

[Tyler]

That was not an option there because he was too ass. So if somebody could say, oh, rear naked. Well, what if he's not a.

[Mike]

No, the gas. He's got a taser. So you go lay in the choke and this dude tasing you. You can't at that point.

[Tyler]

Are they arguing? Was there cartridges loaded? Was it ready to fire?

[Mike]

He fired one. It was. That was an old taser. That was the seven, I think. So it could have been one more. You get two shots. No, it's one.

[Tyler]

No one can try.

[Mike]

It doesn't matter.

[Tyler]

I know. I'm just trying to think devil's advocate.

[Mike]

I guess you did fire the probes, but does it matter? He's got a taser.

[Tyler]

He started policy states.

[Mike]

I mean, it's, It's a. I. It's a bad situation for everybody. Like, it's sad that that kid lost his life over what essentially seems like a tag on a car.

[Tyler]

And he never. He didn't have any other car.

[Mike]

Well, they probably would suppress that. If it is.

[Tyler]

They won't talk about it.

[Mike]

Yeah, just like the Breonna Taylor stuff. They're not gonna let all that other stuff out. So it's unfortunate, but for experts to say, like that's a position of advantage on his back to say that. No, the other thing that the expert, the five year expert from Tallahassee Police Department said was that no other reasonable officer would have done what that guy did. I think you pretty much said that's about where you're at with that situation. So I think who, who is his reasonable officer? He's. He's polling the five years he spent working in Tallahassee and then he became a desk guy. Garbage.

[Brent]

So there's somebody in the chat that said this is straight up murder. Hopefully that was before Mike gave his explanation. Hopefully your mind has changed after Mike gave an explanation.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, it's a straight up homicide for sure, but it's. I mean, you. It's if you say it's a straight up, police are bad, bad shoot, murder, then you're biased in the sense that you just don't like cops. Anybody could look at this and go, I could see both sides.

[Mike]

It's not my favorite.

[Tyler]

I could sit there and argue policy for days. I can argue the fact that he could incapacitate that cop, take his gun, and shoot him in five seconds. Right, that. That's. Dude. So are cops supposed to allow that to happen now? Because you don't like to see what the fucking real world's like.

[Mike]

I mean, and the length of the. All that other stuff factors in. Length of the fight, the physical fit, all that stuff factors in. If you listen to the body camera. I challenge you guys. Go listen to the body camera. Camera. The cop is becoming exhausted from attempting to take him into custody with the least amount of force possible. No punches were really thrown. He does some leg sweeps. There's an advocate for punching his face or putting him in a chokehold. Dude, get rid of him. Get him on the ground. Get him in custody.

[Tyler]

Well, chokehold wouldn't work there because he had the taser before.

[Mike]

The taser.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, Lethal force.

[Mike]

Yeah. Just broke down that one in the middle of the road where the. Where the chick actually starts to lay it in and then stops because she knows she's not allowed to. And you could tell she trained jiu jitsu and she knew it, and she ends up letting go. And they tase a guy nose darts on the concrete and then they cuff them.

[Brent]

But look, if I was in that cops position, you got. You got two choices. And, you know, one is I can not take more, you know, a stronger lethal action and take the risk that this guy's not gonna tase me, take my gun, and execute me.

[Mike]

Yep.

[Brent]

Okay. Or I can not give them a choice.

[Mike]

But who made the ultimate decision to get it to that point?

[Brent]

The guy who resists arrest.

[Mike]

Correct.

[Brent]

The guy who's running around with correct pants down his butt.

[Tyler]

And everybody who wanted to sit here Monday morning quarterback, this. This is why you ain't got cops coming through the doors no more. And you could sit there and think all day long that city council's telling you the truth. Your chiefs and sheriffs are telling you the truth. The truth. Our recruiting is probably mirroring special operations. It's just no one's coming in.

[Brent]

Nobody wants to be a cop because of this stuff.

[Chris]

Yeah, but I mean, look at, like, I firmly believe, like, law enforcement has a massive, like, PR problem because of the way that it's portrayed, right? Because you're, you're stuck at both ends. Like you have years of where like politicians are not sticking up for cops, the public is not sticking up for cops. And they're like, well, what? Literally, they're protect and serve, right? So like, what is the, you know, where's the line? And it's hiding an entire group of, it's hiding individuals under an entire group and like land based in the idea of policing and then picking and choosing who you're going to go after.

[Mike]

But I put it on the administrations and the agencies because that is going to happen. It's not all like Facebook posts and cops dancing around and like all the cool stuff they show in the recruiting video. Your life may end up like that all over the national news. Your life is ruined because you had to use force and kill somebody. And that's something that's not talked about. This is not a pretty job. This is not a get ready with me job. This is not a I sell makeup on the side job. This is not a let me, you know, let me come here for a few years and go do something else job. Either do it or you don't. But that is the side of the job that's not shown to the new kid. The 19 year old kid doesn't get to see that and think like, that could be me. Where I can't go outside, my house is under attack. The media's up my ass. They're calling my third grade teacher to find out I picked boogers and sat in the hallway when I was a kid. Like, your life is over. That dude's life is completely derailed for the rest of his life.

[Tyler]

So in Ohio.

[Brent]

So you're saying it's not a good recruiting video.

[Mike]

No, no, no.

[Tyler]

That's why we're here. That's why we're talking about this, the PR nightmare, right? So media doesn't back you. The, the, the, the loud minority of the public doesn't back you. And if, even if they do, they're not going to go to bat for you. So. And then they're taking away qualified immunity. Ohio summary of petition to end qualified immunity for police officers and other government employees. Are you, you're fucking high if you think you're going to have qualified cops and taking away their qualified immunity.

[Mike]

And that's what these new kids need to hear.

[Tyler]

No, they want.

[Mike]

Go get a fucking different job. Yeah, go do something else.

[Tyler]

You know what qualified meaning is?

[Chris]

I assume it's just that you're immune for prosecution for civil Prosecution.

[Tyler]

Something goes sideways. I say this all the time. Something goes sideways. You call 911. There's somebody that just kicked in the front door of your house. Right. So you know what you're doing, but you know I need to call 911, right? Hey, someone just broke into my house. I live. Blah, blah, blah. And you hang up the phone. You go down to defend your home. They had already ran. You see them running. You walk out the threshold of the door. I'm coming around the side of the house. You have a gun. I say drop it. You turn, I shoot you. Right. Awful scenario, but it's human error. It's human error. We're not cyborgs. We can't compute in a millisecond. Right. So I'm subject to termination. I'm subject to criminal prosecution. But what I'm not subject to is personal mobility. My family losing their house and losing everything they have.

[Chris]

But the agency is. Yes.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Chris]

Okay. Yeah. So the agency is assuming liability, but.

[Tyler]

Qualified immunity keeps me from being civilized. Lively suit. Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Then they want to get rid of that. So now a cop's walking around with everything he ever owns now on his back while he's at work.

[Mike]

It's unfortunate. And I really feel for.

[Tyler]

Go be cops that kid people that work with them.

[Mike]

And I've been getting a lot of messages from those guys up there in Grand Rapids to show support. And I do. You know, I do. I do support that guy. And I think that it's unfortunate that he's on trial for what happened based on doing his job. And. And you can hate it, you can not like it, but he's not a murderer.

[Brent]

Here's. Here's an option. Don't be a cop in a democrat city. Let the democrat cities get what they want. Move to a red area and be a cop there.

[Mike]

Grady Judd.

[Brent]

That's it.

[Mike]

Kill him graveyard dead.

[Brent]

That's right.

[Mike]

Shoot them. Shoot him a lot.

[Tyler]

Yeah. The democratic cities pay more, though.

[Brent]

All right, Let them.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I mean, they do.

[Chris]

They don't pay well when you're in.

[Brent]

Prison for doing your job.

[Mike]

All that riot over time is really. It's good money.

[Brent]

Don't. Don't take the devil's money. All right, dude, Duder. Two bucks. Would you rather fight two Brents or one Copville?

[Tyler]

I. I saw this. I thought about it. So Brent is. He is self. He. He says it himself. He's not a fighter. He's a shooter. I would rather fight two brands than one Cotville. Because he trains.

[Chris]

Yeah, but he's got a bad knee and versus got a bad hand. Hand.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but Brent doesn't train in. In fighting.

[Chris]

I know.

[Tyler]

So if it was now, if it was like you.

[Chris]

No. No shooting. No.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you want.

[Mike]

You don't. No.

[Chris]

No, you don't want that. You don't want that Smoke.

[Brent]

But I'm not fighting two grown men over one grown man.

[Chris]

Not gonna happen.

[Mike]

I mean, I wouldn't fight you anyway, man. The way you know the Bible, I'd be in big trouble.

[Tyler]

I guess that's. That's a ph.

[Mike]

Done that.

[Tyler]

That. That's fair. Two. Two grown men that don't know how to fight is still more of a challenge probably than one.

[Mike]

Then how come all them bad guys get away from 4, 5, 6.

[Chris]

4, 5.

[Mike]

6 cops at a time?

[Tyler]

There you go. There you go.

[Mike]

Every day there's a video on Instagram where somebody's running away from five cops.

[Tyler]

You get taken into custody immediately because you only want one cop.

[Brent]

Because those cops are a lot fatter than two Brents.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's some of them.

[Tyler]

Brent's on TRT now.

[Chris]

You can't outrun a radio.

[Mike]

No, but somebody's gotta do the job. Once the radio catches, you still have to put the handcuffs on people.

[Brent]

All right. Kane, Corsov. Grandpa worked for NASA. Never talked about work. Very quiet guy. On his deathbed, he asked for my dad, pulled him in close and said, I've never told anyone this, but moon landing deniers are gay.

[Mike]

One more thing. I'm gay for man. My gay meter is way up.

[Chris]

Thank you.

[Brent]

Oh, we think.

[Tyler]

Jumps over, he gets.

[Mike]

Hello. There we go.

[Brent]

All right. Bad tyrant again. Saw the moon rover. Was it the same country that found whales on another planet and it turned out to be the ocean it crashed in?

[Mike]

It was. It wasn't a very reputable country that had the satellite. It was something Third world. Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, let's go to Instagram. There's a couple more videos that are go. So start from the bottom. All right, so not that. Go. Up, up, up, up, up, up.

[Mike]

This one. Oh, actually that one down. That's a good one.

[Tyler]

Oh, this is an amazing. This guy's reload a fraction of a second. Saved his life.

[Mike]

Yes, yes.

[Tyler]

This is crazy. Crazy. Hey, brother, do me a favor.

[Mike]

Come here. Another guy. Not listening. Look at that.

[Chris]

Hey, stop. Kill you.

[Tyler]

He's hit. There. He's shot. Right there. Sam. Five. I'm hit.

[Chris]

Shots fired.

[Tyler]

Reloads.

[Mike]

It's going to be the next reload. No, right here. Look. Empty. Oh. Oh. Reload guy still going. This is the one. Both those reloads were like, no.

[Tyler]

But as soon as he had.

[Mike]

But the magazine falls out.

[Tyler]

Oh, suspect down.

[Mike]

That guy is. He is. He needs Drew's words over there.

[Tyler]

He caught a lot of that church.

[Mike]

That's a very lucky human.

[Tyler]

And he's just sitting there. He's just. He was sitting up there against the propane tanks. Like, what just happened?

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, think about that. Think about, like, how many and a hundred out of 100 times that guy's like, what, man? Comes over, you talk to him. It ends up being. And that one right there, you have to be ready for. It's a wild job, dude.

[Chris]

Yeah, absolutely. That's what we're talking about. Like, so you go. You take a soldier, you go over and deploy, right? Okay. I'm gonna go down Route Irish in Iraq. I'm probably gonna get shot at. Something's probably gonna blow up. I'm expecting this at least that your GU's like, I'm going to circle. I'm gonna follow guy. And now I just expended three magazines.

[Mike]

Have you ever trained for that one? The guy already in the business. And you like that whole, like, that's insane, man.

[Tyler]

Yeah, like that. That's a good training.

[Mike]

And like that, man. Like, you go from, like, ning down your subway to like, oh, come here, man. And 90, like I said, nine out of 100, that dude just comes over there, maybe runs his mouth a little bit, ends up being another, and it turns into three magazines worth of gunfight.

[Chris]

God.

[Mike]

Wild. Didn't shoot a mirror, though. Just glasses.

[Tyler]

Shot the bad guy.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And the glass. No mirror.

[Tyler]

All right, there's some other ones I think. Go right there. This was. This guy breaks down kind of what's going on with the Angry Cops thing?

[Mike]

This is a special Victims unit detective out of Buffalo, New York. His name is Rich, but he has.

[Chris]

Huge social media platforms under the name Angry Cops. He just went on the unsubscribed podcast.

[Mike]

To whistleblow and expose the Buffalo public.

[Chris]

School system for failing to report the abuse of children in their schools.

[Tyler]

Didn't happen where this girl had a.

[Mike]

Video recording, I think it was of her dad punching her. And she walks into the counselor's office with another girl, plays the video, and the woman's like, is that you?

[Tyler]

And she's like, yeah, that's me.

[Mike]

And then the girl walks out of the office. Not reported, not reported, not reported.

[Tyler]

CPS now reported to the police.

[Chris]

It's really important that everybody out here knows that if you work with kids.

[Mike]

You are a mandatory reporter.

[Chris]

You have a legal obligation to report if that child is being abused. That school had multiple reports of that little girl being beaten by her father, and they didn't report anything until she literally came to school beaten to a pulp.

[Mike]

And that is not the only incident.

[Chris]

There have been incidences of s. Assault.

[Mike]

And attempted abductions out of schools. They didn't tell the parents, they didn't.

[Chris]

Tell the police, and they didn't tell cps. And now they're trying to attack Rich for it, saying that he is a cop with a rocky past. Exactly what rocky past are you referring to him being a decorated veteran who.

[Mike]

Fought and served this country or being.

[Chris]

A cop who's out there trying to make the streets safer for our children?

[Tyler]

My thing is, I think they're gonna suspend me for an investigation. They're gonna take a good detective that.

[Mike]

Does the right things off the streets for an indefinite period of time.

[Chris]

Not only are they failing to report.

[Mike]

These abuse incidents against children, obstructing justice. They are refusing to show up when lawfully subpoenaed. And now they're attacking a good cop who just wants to protect kids.

[Chris]

Everyone stand with Rich and any law enforcement who is out there trying to protect our children and Buffalo School district.

[Mike]

And any other school district who is.

[Chris]

Out there trying to cover up the abuses of children. You are on notice.

[Mike]

We see you, and we're coming.

[Tyler]

That's pretty extreme.

[Mike]

That would be it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

They always do that, though. Anytime you cannot blow a whistle in this career, man, you become that troubled cop.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

If you ever speak up, you're. You're a troubled cop.

[Tyler]

Angry cops is about that life. There's videos of him in street brawls with, like, you know, people fighting the cops.

[Mike]

And same thing. You become a troubled cop soon as you speak up, man. As soon as you say something that fit. Doesn't fit that agency narrative of you're not over it.

[Chris]

Those people, man.

[Brent]

Ranger Cortez says trained San Bernardino sheriffs, Orange County Sheriffs, lapd, and HB swat. Who do you think won the shooting competition? Shout out to all the folks with a OGP tattoo.

[Tyler]

1St Battalion, Best Battalion, I would say. I don't know. Are they all. All swat?

[Brent]

Who's. Who's HB swat?

[Tyler]

Huntington Beach.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I mean, if it's just Huntington Beach, Watt versus all those, I would say probably spots shot best, but I don't know. Oh, is that Angel Cortez? Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Brent]

Anthony Ferguson says, guess it's a Bad time to ask now. Want to apply for Broward Sheriff office is 37, too old to start.

[Mike]

No.

[Brent]

Love the show, guys.

[Mike]

Tony Gregory down there who's an absolute clown.

[Tyler]

All right, so my take on this is that law enforcement should be treated like military enlistment. Go have a blast. Go do five years. It's fun as hell, but usually around the five year mark, give or take, you're gonna know. I can't do this forever. It's. You're. You're either like a company man and your career path is, like, working out for you and everything is just working, or you're like, none of this is working for me. I'm not the type of person to do this forever. But I do believe that you should go and get the skill sets that being a cop teaches you. You're the best in customer service. You cannot tell someone. It's the only job where you cannot tell someone. There's nothing I can do for you. You will get in trouble for saying there's nothing I can do for you. You have to problem solve for everybody. So you learn. So you. The task management that a cop has to do. I mean, your basic shift, fighting crime is like, over here. All the admin. I mean, you remember, like, all the.

[Mike]

Admin, like, going to training, right?

[Tyler]

You gotta remember to go to annual training.

[Mike]

That's worse than. That's bad when you don't go to that, huh?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah. Apparently, I didn't think it was that bad, but apparently it is.

[Brent]

Flight Designs tells us that guy, the. The rando, Randy Macho man, Randy Savage guy. He's. His name is J.D. delay. He has 58 felonies. No.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah. No followers. No, no, no, no. He's. He's a convicted felon. He's reformed, all right.

[Brent]

58 of them. Golly. And tries to help people out with their lives with things like drug addiction. He is in Florida, I think would be an awesome guest.

[Mike]

For sure.

[Tyler]

I hit him up. I honestly, I think he's in Volusia County. Yeah. If I.

[Chris]

If that would be fun. Yeah.

[Mike]

That was somebody.

[Chris]

You definitely.

[Tyler]

The whole time.

[Mike]

The whole time.

[Chris]

His bike's over there.

[Mike]

You throw a swim, Jim, at him. If he stops screaming.

[Tyler]

Come on, macha man, scream.

[Brent]

All right. You want to do another one of these videos, bubba?

[Tyler]

Yeah, let me look. Go up. Keep going. That one right there. That. It's quick. It's just hilarious. I bet they didn't consider that.

[Mike]

No. Garbage and poop. That's great.

[Brent]

Do what you got to do.

[Mike]

Hey, that gets the Job done. Get hit in his face with some. It's time to leave, man. That ruined your whole day.

[Brent]

It's pro Hamas protesters. I'm all for the poop throwers.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, well, I guess probably to wrap this up, talk a little bit more about your clinic. I'm super excited. I want to jump the gun, but, I mean, we're talking about getting your clinic involved with some of the stuff we're doing, and that's super exciting.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah. I mean, I love it. I. I look at this, like, again, how. How do you help the patient? And your version of what you need and Mike's version, like, what all that. That's different for everybody, right? Like, it's like. Like, here's your lisinopril and your Zoloft is not the answer. Right?

[Tyler]

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

See, in. See, in six months, that. That's not it. You know? I mean, my. My takeaway for it is, like, you watch your buddies, you know, when they're. You know, when your buddies are off, you know, when they're up, Like. And it's. It's. And you can tell the difference. You can. Like, cops. Cops have very distinct intuition for this. I watch it all the time. And they. They try not to use it on each other because it gets people. Because they get people. They all get squirrely about it because they're like, well, why are you asking me these questions? And just my thing with that is, like, just be straight up, like, hey, I'm worried about you. You know, like, you're. You're off. And then.

[Tyler]

But I'm telling you right now, I could bring it up to one of my best friends, and it would be total shutdown, deflection. Instead of saying, like, dude, like, I, like, really, truly believe you're not suicidal, but you're. You're going through it.

[Chris]

And that's the thing, too. And it's one of the things I talk about is, like, there is this thing where it's, like, okay to not be okay, but that's how you know you need help. Like, that's the thing that people don't see. Like, but they think if they're. If they're going. You know, especially with behavioral health, if they're not okay, they're like, okay, I'm gonna be out of the job. I'm gonna get ostracized things, Right?

[Tyler]

Yep.

[Chris]

So how do you steer the culture? Which is funny because you think that to take it back the right way, it is counter to the nurse, so it is counterculture. Because you're like, let's, let's talk about what's going to make you okay. Let's talk about fixing the recruiting problem from within and keeping the people that are on the job on the job. Right. Because like in, in soft again. Okay? That's the community. Soft cannot be created. Like in real time. Like there is a soft truth. Like you can't just mass produce it. You can't do the same thing with good cops.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You can't just be like, oh, we're gonna go recruit you went to this freaking six month academy. Here's your badge, Good luck. That's not it.

[Tyler]

They're all leaving. And now we're, we're slowly building that generation of not. I don't want to say not good cops because that's not the right thing to say.

[Mike]

But it's just, it's a, it's a different. It's the soft. And I don't mean it. I have to say. It's a softer generation. Like we've softened everything up and now the, the hardcore guys are just about gone. They're gone. And it. There's nobody to even teach them that way. And, and that hardcore way. Yes. It means it's not. You can't be going around just beating the. Out of people. Like the 70s. Like I get it. But there's ha. It's a. Weak men create hard times. And, and you need tough men to create good times and, and better times. And there has to be tough dudes that. But they. I think what you're getting at is also those tough dudes that did that stuff for a long time, didn't have any mental health help or they weren't allowed to get it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So how do we keep the guys tough but then keep them in optimal performance? You know, an optical performance?

[Chris]

Because you talk real talk about it, you're like, hey, you're gonna go out there and some shit's gonna go down. Let's not let it haunt you at 25 years when you're sitting in your recliner. Let's talk about that now.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And then how do you, you know, how do you maintain that stuff? Because dead babies, car accidents, like so like, for, even for me, like, like the other day, like I had a, I was a first, first like person on scene to a car accident. I pulled a kid out of a burning car and it burned up. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, that was the closest thing to a flashback from Afghanistan or something like that that I'd had in a long time. I was like, this kid is, you know, he's fucked up. I was like, this is awful. And you're sitting there, you're working on it and you're like, like. And I thought about that because I was thinking about the same thing. I was like, I have plenty of experience with this. I've worked in an er, I've worked trauma, I've worked all this stuff.

[Tyler]

But it was all controlled.

[Chris]

It's all control is that. But then I'm thinking about, you know, again, 19 year old cop, you roll up on this just as you're like two weeks on the job, nobody's gonna be there five minutes, what are you gonna do? And then how are you gonna deal with that? Like when you grab somebody and skin comes off on your hands because they're on fire, That's a significant amount.

[Mike]

But you know what, you know what adds to that? And three hours later your sergeant yells at, you're going 12 miles over the speed limit. And now you're jumping your mouth. Yeah, you dip in your mouth and you just, you know, you just watch a dude melt to death on the side of the road. And then you know, Becky may call because you're going, you know, 31.

[Tyler]

And you know the reason sergeants are the backbone of police work, filter that and, and they keep, they're the ones that go. When they, when you just went through something like that or even a little bit, not as serious, but you go do something like that, they'll. And you get some of the fucking brass ball sucking lieutenants that go, go oh we, I, well we want. The sergeants are the ones that go, dude, we're not bringing that up right now. Are you kidding me? The guy just went through this. Like we're gonna let that one slide.

[Chris]

Yeah. And that's, but that's what you need. That's any organization needs that middle of career dialed in nco, whatever in that place to, to call, to be able to call them on their going up and down. Like that's what you need. Everything needs that. Right? You need checks and balances. When you get to the point where you don't, don't check the. Or you don't have anybody filtering it. Yeah, that's everything. It doesn't matter if it's, if it's medicine, if it's the military, if it's law enforcement, firefighting, it doesn't matter. Like if you don't have quality people that can filter that crap out, everything you're up and you're not, you're not doing a service to the, to your employees, to your officers, to your deputies, whatever. Like you're, you're. It's a disservice because they're not prepared. And then somebody that is new you do need that shielding. You are learning the job, job on the job. You went to four, six months of training. You're not an expert.

[Mike]

I think one more thing that needs to be factored in from administrations is the guys who do the most work are going to make mistakes. And I've heard this a lot of time. I'm not groundbreaking with this, but needs to be re said over and over. If you make 100, 200 rest a year, you stop freaking 500 cars a year. You're going to do dumb or, or stuff getting chases, maybe push it a little far. Versus the guy who sits and does nothing. Nothing. But that guy who sits and done nothing has an impeccable jacket. No ias, no problem. And then when it comes time for promotion, like, wow, that guy's never been in trouble. He should be the next supervisor. He's never done anything. The guys that are hard chargers, that the agencies need to think like, he's going to do some dumb stuff. He's going to speed to a call here and there. He's going to chase a car a little further than maybe he should have. He's gonna, he's gonna make some mistakes. And I'm not talking about unethical, immoral stuff, but he's gonna make mistakes.

[Tyler]

I'll go even farther talking about what we talked about before the show. People that chase the adrenaline, all of a sudden now the chase that isn't good enough. I think that's where some cops like, they just like, it's a, it's an adrenaline. I, I, bro.

[Chris]

Absolutely an adrenaline rush.

[Tyler]

It's like.

[Mike]

And that's too far. But you get somebody take it too far.

[Tyler]

I mean, you look at Rangers robbing a bank. They're not, not, they're. They've had the adrenaline now. Now them making a decision to rob a bank is wrong. But I, maybe if they hadn't baselined up here.

[Chris]

Yeah. You know, 100 and that, that, yeah. That goes back all into the mental health and development. All the stuff like, you know, we're talking about this, about combat troops. Like, you take these guys and you're like, all right, here's your job. You're gonna go and we're gonna do hit after hit after hit in Afghanistan. We're just like, all right, we're gonna Hit target after target after target for 60 days. All right, we're going back to the States. You're on leave. Don't get any fights. Like, oh, we were just killing people every day. Killing for the last 60 days. Don't you think we should, like, maybe go be normal? Yeah, like, maybe you have, like, a decompression time. Like. Yeah, you know. You know something. But.

[Tyler]

Yeah, and I. I honestly, I mean, I've been. I've fallen victim to it. I mean, you go and you chase. Like, you chase thrills. I mean, you check. And when you go thrill seeking, it's not. I mean, if it. If it, maybe jumping out of airplanes on the weekends is better, but when you work, you know, I don't know as I. I've seen it. I. There's a questionable case in the area around here. Volusia county cop went off the deep end, and he was a detective and went down to Daytona beach and pretty much abducted a prostitute and tried to force her in his patrol car. Like, I mean, I'm saying in no way is that right, but I feel like people that are. That live a life of like. Like redlining, they're more prone to make mistakes, and when they make mistakes, they're bad because.

[Chris]

Yeah, because your. Your brain is not firing in your. The rational part of your brain is not firing dopamine. You're chasing an addiction that. An adrenaline rush and a bump of cocaine and. Same thing.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You know, like.

[Brent]

Chris, what's the name of your. Your clinic again?

[Chris]

My clinic is Emerald Medical in Vero Beach, Florida. And the event is called Operation Field Trip.

[Tyler]

And then your.

[Chris]

Your supplements and all that stuff, T1RX will be branded, and then.

[Tyler]

Is it available?

[Chris]

Not yet. Is. There's versions of it. You get them at the clinic, and then as we drop.

[Tyler]

Okay, okay. The last five minutes, I'm not. When you told me the ingredients in this, I was like, wait, what?

[Chris]

Now this is.

[Tyler]

Okay, then you got to break down why.

[Chris]

All right, so we're talking about prescription pre workout that we. That we have. So our. My pharmacy partners and I is. Prescription pre workout is creatine, methylene blue, and Cialis.

[Tyler]

And Viagra. Yeah, that was the one where I was like, wait, what? Viagra?

[Chris]

Yes.

[Mike]

It's a hell of a pre workout.

[Chris]

Now let me break down on why.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Chris]

Creatine is the most studied supplement other than, like, protein in the history of, like, sports nutrition. Creatine is great stuff.

[Mike]

That's all I've ever taken is creatine.

[Chris]

So I can't even.

[Mike]

Mike.

[Brent]

Never kids.

[Mike]

Always serious.

[Tyler]

Everything's prescribed by a doctor.

[Mike]

Creatine, gnc. Right.

[Tyler]

Broccoli.

[Chris]

Broccoli. Creating broccoli.

[Brent]

Creatine by injection.

[Chris]

So creatine holds the way it works when you get muscle mass from it is. Holds water. So muscle hypertrophy is when you know you, you tear your muscles muscle mass fills in the gaps. Right. That's how our muscles get bigger. Creatine holds water in the muscle gaps so that you put more muscle mass into the gaps. You hold the gap open longer for muscle growth.

[Tyler]

Wow. Okay.

[Chris]

All right. But it is a very significant anti inflammatory to the point where SOCOM is starting to use a creatine protocol prior to shoot house training because it protects your brain.

[Tyler]

God, that's nuts.

[Chris]

So now methylene blue does the same thing. Neuro. Neuro. Neuro. Anti inflammatory. Helps like reduce cancer risk. Very, very old medication. Right. So those in the, the pre workout and then so the Viagra cialis, it's a what? It increases blood flow, Right? Everybody's taking inno explode or whatever prewear they have. Yeah, same thing, only better. So if you feed muscles blood, because it doesn't just work in one part of your body, all the cialis doesn't go down to your dick. I mean, you're getting it all over your body. You will build muscle mass. It will hold open like you will like blood flow. So you're getting blood flow into these gaps of muscle that are held open. So you're feeding blood into these extra gaps and you're building muscle mass.

[Brent]

It's good for all your plumbing.

[Chris]

All your plumbing. Absolutely. So. Absolutely. That said, you can give us a call, we can talk you through it, make sure you're a candidate, get your prescription, get you hooked up.

[Brent]

What side effects are there to Viagra?

[Tyler]

I'm not talking about that.

[Brent]

I mean, every time you take a pill, there are side effects.

[Chris]

Absolutely. So Viagra was invented as a blood pressure medication. The erection was a side effect and they remarketed it and is also for pulmonary hypertension. Yeah. So you can get basically lowered blood pressure, which can be lightheadedness. If you take a high enough dose, you get like a blue hue. Thank you. Like everybody looks like a Smurf or whatever. They got halo around it. But so that's the side effects of that.

[Brent]

And then Chris, let me ask you, your clinic is in Vero beach, but if there's somebody, say in, in Texas or California or New York who would like your services, is that a possibility?

[Chris]

So as of Right now you have to come to Florida because the way a medical license works, it's where you can have a Florida medical license. As long as the patients. It's where the patient's standing. If the patient's in Florida, I can treat them. It doesn't matter where I am. I can be. I have a Florida medical license. So we're developing that process out. We're getting multi state license. Georgia will obviously we'll probably be next just because there's some good reciprocity and different things like that. But as of right now, you can come to our clinic if you want to do protocols. We've set up places, we have like deals with some of the hotels in the area. We work with some of the Airbnbs that are local and we have people that come in, fly in from all over to get ketamine protocols from us.

[Brent]

But in California, if I'm not wrong, they respect a lot of people who identify standing in other states. As long as you identify. Right. I mean, California's cool with that, right?

[Mike]

You can be whatever you want.

[Chris]

You can be whatever you want to be.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

That is not medical advice from the anti hero podcast, by the way.

[Tyler]

We've hit 10 o'clock. It is the end of the Thursday night squad.

[Brent]

Oh, come on.

[Tyler]

Thank you all for joining.

[Mike]

Pizza time.

[Tyler]

It's pizza time. And I got the. This is where we. We read all comments. So I've got the song playing. Eddie Murphy's party all the time is pretty gay, but it's awesome. So give Cottville your comments. All right.

[Brent]

Copy's reading them whatever you want.

[Mike]

Best embarrassing. That'll be take too long. Good night. Stay dangerous. Flamingo Tactical. Yes. He bumps this and he listens to Taylor Swift as well. They're going fast. I do shower to this song. And I wash my Viagra instrument.

[Chris]

Extra. You're Viagra instrument?

[Mike]

My Delta Zone. Slickest sleeve on the show yet. Oh, they're talking about you. Love that show. Thank you, guys. Looking forward to contacting clinic. Please do. Would you rather fight four crackheads with the needles or work that death? I'd fight four crackheads. Tyler doesn't play GTA 5. He's a cop. God damn it. Tyler, when do you retire? Soon, hopefully. I'm gonna make him retire. Counterculture is.

[Tyler]

That's catchy.

[Mike]

It's not catchy. Sweet.

[Tyler]

You gotta watch the video.

[Mike]

Yeah. Swap boy. This is a good swap boy song. Firefighter with pts. Will you be contacting clinic? Perfect. Stripper with the harp is Lizzo. She's lost a lot of weight. She's on Ozempic. Lizzo's lost like a. She's like half her size.

[Chris]

Lost a Backstreet Boy.

[Mike]

I would kiss. I kiss Tyler all the time, so I'll pick Tyler. Put your wife up. Put your wife up. That's a great saying. Try it on the back of my phone. Put your wife up. Favorite duty weapon or backup sig? P320.

[Tyler]

I don't have my glasses.

[Mike]

I can see them. Who took more punches? Nurse or nurses? ER nurses. Take them all. I am all natural. 100%.

[Brent]

Testosterone is natural.

[Mike]

So is EQ.

[Chris]

So is uranium.

[Mike]

Yeah, I don't know. I have a M and P. Smith and Wesson. M and P, too. That's what I carried as my last duty weapon. That's a. Yeah, I know. As long as it goes bang, I don't give a what it is. Plus, I'm retired, so it doesn't matter. More protein. All the protein. Favorite candy bar. Favorite candy bar. Twitter. Snickers. Mr. Mr. Good Bar. I'm a weird one. Mr. Good Bar.

[Tyler]

Like, have a Snickers?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like, what did you say?

[Mike]

Like half a Snicker.

[Tyler]

Stickers?

[Mike]

Yeah, like you're not yourself.

[Tyler]

No stickers.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Tyler]

No, I have a stickers.

[Brent]

They like Chris's hair.

[Mike]

Why did you make him wear a headphone? Yeah, you have perfect hair. They said you should have it.

[Tyler]

He does have Brent cleared rooms to.

[Mike]

This song back in the day. Mr. Gay Bar. I do.

[Chris]

I do like Mr. No doubt. Mr.

[Mike]

Gay Bar. That's my favorite place, too.

[Tyler]

Just the kid, nothing else.

[Chris]

Light Code of clp.

[Mike]

Payday Bar or Afghan Elders. Lmfao. That's a band, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah, or laughing my ass off.

[Mike]

I know, I know. I'm just saying TK sits on avocados for fun. I'll donate 100 to see Bren's dance. Welcome back, Drew. Love, Cobb. Tyler. Good stuff, Dr. SF.

[Tyler]

Gay for life.

[Mike]

It's on the back of my hat. Gay for life. Life.

[Tyler]

All right, guys, that's it for the Thursday night squadcast. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. We'll be back next Thursday. It's. Hey, Drew, it's Brent. Going to be here next week.

[Mike]

Put your wife.

[Tyler]

Are you going to be here next Thursday?

[Mike]

I think he is back next Thursday. We don't.

[Tyler]

We don't know on Wednesday. Have a good night, guys. Thank you.