Squadcast (Live) 07/31/2025

Summary

The Antihero Podcast: Squadcast (Live) – August 1, 2025

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Antihero Podcast
• Host/Authors: Tyler, Billy Queen, James Arnett, Drew, Ethan
• Description: Part Delta Force. Part Street Cop. All Truth.
• Episode: Squadcast (Live) 07/31/2025
• Release Date: August 1, 2025

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Introduction and Guest Introduction

The episode kicks off with host Tyler addressing the live audience, humorously acknowledging the presence of technical difficulties typical of a Thursday night squadcast. Tyler introduces the guests: Billy Queen, a veteran and former ATF agent with extensive undercover experience, and James Arnett, who has a background in the infantry and special operations.

Notable Quote:

• [00:01] Tyler: "All right, we are live here. It's Thursday night for the squad cast. It wouldn't be a Thursday night without technical difficulties."

Updates and Acknowledgments

Tyler informs listeners that Brent Tucker, a regular participant, is delayed due to being stranded at New York City's airport. Instead, his associate James steps in. The conversation shifts to acknowledging the guests' backgrounds and the purpose of the episode, which focuses on honoring fallen officers amidst a busy week of discussions around incidents involving slain law enforcement personnel.

Notable Quote:

• [02:40] Billy Queen: "Most people don't know that ATF has two arms out there. One's regulatory and one's criminal... the side that ATF out there that's chasing real bad guys."

Billy Queen’s Undercover Operations

Billy Queen delves into his military and law enforcement background, highlighting his service in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War and his subsequent career with the ATF. He details his most notable undercover operation infiltrating the Mongols Motorcycle Club from 1998 to 2000, which led to the arrest and conviction of 54 members for various crimes, including murder and drug trafficking.

Notable Quote:

• [09:14] Billy Queen: "I became an officer in the gang. I made up my mind early on when I thought that I could actually get in and do what I had to do."

Challenges Faced by Undercover Agents

The discussion shifts to the inherent dangers and psychological toll of undercover work. Billy shares harrowing experiences, including being falsely accused of being a cop while undercover, which nearly cost him his life. He emphasizes the lack of support and the solitary nature of such operations, contrasting them with more conventional law enforcement roles.

Notable Quote:

• [55:22] Billy Queen: "I did what I had to do to make that happen. And there's no such thing as timeout or part-time."

Impact of Government Decisions on Law Enforcement Operations

Billy critiques decisions made by former Attorney General Janet Reno, suggesting that her policies inadvertently facilitated significant terrorist acts, including the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh. He claims that her administration shut down crucial intelligence investigations, contributing to the inability to prevent such tragedies.

Notable Quote:

• [21:56] Billy Queen: "Janet Reno shut every intel investigation, DEA, ATF, Customs, FBI. She shut them all down. Boom, federal building sky high."

Discussion on the 2017 Las Vegas Shooting

Responding to listener requests, the hosts plan a deep dive into the 2017 Las Vegas shooting at the Mandalay Bay Resort. Tyler expresses interest in exploring potential conspiracy theories while emphasizing the need for respectful and factual analysis, considering the loss of life involved.

Notable Quote:

• [18:37] Drew: "They sent 54 of them to prison for murder... stealing their motorcycles."

Brotherhood and Personal Sacrifices in Law Enforcement

The conversation explores the theme of brotherhood within both law enforcement and outlaw biker communities. Billy reflects on the personal sacrifices made, including losing contact with his family during his undercover tenure. He underscores the emotional and psychological challenges of betraying trust and the lasting impact on personal relationships.

Notable Quote:

• [162:32] Billy Queen: "I lost my children. I lost my personal life. I lost everything that I had. No, I wouldn't do it again because I wouldn't give that up, especially my children."

Community Policing vs. Traditional Policing

Billy advocates for a shift from traditional reactive policing to a more community-oriented approach. He argues that addressing root causes of crime—such as economic hardship and family issues—can lead to more effective law enforcement outcomes than merely increasing police presence and funding.

Notable Quote:

• [38:46] Billy Queen: "We traded in the Lord Jesus Christ for barbed wire, for cops in the school, for guard dogs... same old stuff is going to happen until the community says, let's get together and make it better."

Reflections on Undercover Work and Legal Implications

Ethan poses questions about the legal boundaries of undercover operations and the personal connections formed with criminal associates. Billy candidly discusses the ethical dilemmas and legal risks, emphasizing that agents must fully immerse themselves without reservations to succeed, often at great personal cost.

Notable Quote:

• [92:03] Billy Queen: "If you want to shoot somebody, you're going to be killing them right along with them. There's no such thing as part-time. It's full time all the way."

Sponsors and Community Engagement

Throughout the episode, hosts engage with sponsors and acknowledge audience contributions via super chats. They promote products relevant to their audience, such as weapon gear and fitness supplements, and express gratitude for listener support.

Closing Remarks and Tribute to Fallen Officers

The episode concludes with heartfelt tributes to fallen officers, including Detective Islam and Officer Wagner, recounting their bravery and sacrifices. The hosts express deep respect and empathy for the families affected by these losses, reinforcing the podcast’s commitment to honoring law enforcement heroes.

Notable Quote:

• [66:11] Tyler: "My condolences to Detective Islam's family... Lorraine Police Officer Phil Wagner was ambushed... Officer Wagner succumbed to multiple gunshot wounds."

Final Thoughts and Future Episodes

As the live session wraps up, the hosts reiterate their dedication to supporting law enforcement narratives and planning future episodes that delve deeper into significant incidents and undercover operations. They encourage continued listener engagement and support through Patreon and other platforms.

Notable Quote:

• [168:35] Billy Queen: "The book's called 'Under and Alone,' and it covers that two years and two months that I rode with them. It tells the truth about that time and what happened to me after."

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Conclusion:

This episode of The Antihero Podcast offers an unfiltered look into the life of an undercover law enforcement agent, exploring the complexities, dangers, and personal sacrifices inherent in such roles. Through candid discussions, personal anecdotes, and critical reflections on government policies and policing strategies, the hosts provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the challenges faced by those who operate on the front lines of law enforcement.

Notable Quote:

• [142:48] Billy Queen: "Being undercover... one slip up could mean a bullet through your head."

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content segments, focusing solely on the substantive discussions and narratives presented during the live squadcast.

Transcript

[Tyler]

All right, we are live here. It's Thursday night for the squad cast. It wouldn't be a Thursday night without technical difficulties. We are here with the. Billy Queen and James, was it Arnott. Arnett are not.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. Or not.

[James Arnett]

Oh. Or whatever.

[Tyler]

So stick around. I'm not a mongol, obviously, but Billy, let me display that. You'll learn all about him here Thursday night squad cast for the boys. See you in a second.

[Billy Queen]

Sam.

[Tyler]

Oh. If you guys have not noticed, Brent Tucker is stuck in New York City at the airport. He did send someone in his stead.

[James Arnett]

Oh, Jesus.

[Tyler]

Yeah, his buddy James. You guys have known each other for how long?

[James Arnett]

Not long. Not that long. So Brent was in the Delta Force with a buddy of mine that I was in the infantry with, Greg Leach. So that's how we connected because I was trying to figure out what had happened to Greg after he disappeared into black soft world. And that is a whole story. I'm sure we'll get the chance to go into.

[Tyler]

Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're saying my mic is low.

[Billy Queen]

I'm working on them.

[Drew]

I'm working on all of them.

[Tyler]

As long as you can hear, that's all I care about. For now. We've also got the man, the myth, the legend, Billy Queen.

[Billy Queen]

Well, thank you for having me here this evening. Yeah.

[Tyler]

If you didn't know anything about Billy, he was. He's a veteran, like, U.S. army guy. And then he did his time and then he went to join the atf back when the ATF was cool.

[Billy Queen]

Most people don't know that ATF has two arms out there. One's regulatory and one's criminal. Of course, I worked in the criminal side of it for 20 years, and the things that I did wrote books about and possibly making movies about. But a lot of people don't know that ATF has two sides to it. And a lot of people just concentrate on the administrative side, like the men's department. Yeah, that's right. That's right. The guys that go out there and check the books at the ffls. That's what everybody knows about. That's what everybody complains about. But you got a side with ATF out there that's chasing real bad guys. And you'll hear a little bit about it tonight.

[James Arnett]

So not the guys that branded Herrera heads.

[Tyler]

Yeah, exactly. That's that. That's going to be your team.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah. I got the long hair, bro. I just wear a hat.

[Tyler]

So. Thank you guys for joining us. You know, obviously we're going to cover lots of slain officers this week. And again, I understand that some of you guys might not be pro cop, so to say, but, you know, we. These guys had families, and they were taken in the line of duty, so there's a lot of them this week. So we figured, you know, steer away from the. The regular drama and just show some love there. So.

[James Arnett]

Of course.

[Tyler]

Oh, I shouldn't say of course. This episode is brought to you by Elevated Silence. There are new sponsors for the live show. We'll get their logo up here next week. Obviously, it's been a very busy week for us, and so, yeah, I'll hit up a couple super chats. Do you keep working, doing your thing?

[Drew]

You got it.

[Tyler]

Betting on a sound problem between the minute 17 and 20 party hard by Andrew wk. Be safe out there. All right. 25. That's a great song.

[James Arnett]

Oh, man. Anything by Andrew wk is pretty good.

[Tyler]

I don't know if he's doing a comeback or what.

[James Arnett]

I hope he is, man. I really do. But, I mean, I'm a 90s kid, so.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, yeah, Yeah. I remember him watching him on TV. Joey Holt says at goons 91 Bravo is a trans cat groupie looking for a good time. Sorry. Not sorry. God.

[James Arnett]

Oh, man.

[Tyler]

Surprise. Thumb just gave 50 bucks, man. Thank you so much.

[James Arnett]

Let's. You want to talk to him first or.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So, Billy, tell us. Tell us about your army days. First back. What year was that?

[Billy Queen]

Well, 1968 to 1972, man.

[Tyler]

Holy.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, so, yeah, I'm here with a bunch of youngins tonight, and I really mean that, but they're a bunch of veterans, so I got ultimate respect for all the guys out here. Right out of high school, I joined the Army. Vietnam was hot and heavy, and I wanted to do something for my country, so I signed up, volunteered to go to Vietnam, and I did. So you went to Vietnam? I'm a Vietnam vet. Me and my twin brother, we joined together. They wouldn't send us both to Vietnam at the same time, so my twin brother went to Vietnam first.

[Tyler]

Let's just tell you something about the Vietnam War. Why didn't they send you at the same time?

[James Arnett]

Because they sent me and my dad at the same time.

[Tyler]

They didn't want your mom losing two sons at the same time.

[Billy Queen]

Our twin brothers. I guess that was the policy back then.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay.

[Billy Queen]

So he went. I went to the 82nd Airborne Division. Yep. My brother was there about four months, and he was wounded, and I was there at Pope Air Force Base when they brought him home. Was going to put him in Womack Army Hospital at Bragg. And they took him off the plane. C141 on the tarmac, put him down. He was wounded really bad, so he couldn't sit up. He was laying down. I knelt over top of him and I said, I'll get payback for you, brother.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Went back to my unit. I said, send me to Vietnam. And within 30 days I was in Cam Ranh Bay, South Vietnam.

[Tyler]

With what unit?

[Billy Queen]

Well, I ultimately went to the 18th MP Brigade up in Da Nang and ran convoys from Da Nang up to Quang Tri and patrolled the Da Nang area for my time over there. When I got back, I joined the 11th Special Forces Group and served with them last year. And so that was. That was my military history when I got out of the military. Then I joined the High Point Police Department and went to college because ultimately I wanted to be an ATF agent. My dad was ATF Chase, they call him ATF back then. He was a revenuer. Chase Chase. Moonshiners around Virginia and North Carolina praised him. Yeah, you know, I kind of grew up with it. My dad carried a submachine gun. And back then when I was a little kid, I thought everybody's dad carried submachine guns and stuff. And it just kind of sunk in and that's what I wanted to do. Graduated from Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina, and ATF wasn't hiring at the time. Ended up taking a job with the Border Patrol. Okay, going out, they sent me to California. I worked the border, southern border out there for a year and a half before ATF was opened up and went with atf. Then worked mostly the mean streets of la, but I worked all the way from LA to the halls of the Justice Department and headquarters in Washington D.C. but the greatest majority of my career, 17 of my 20 years, I worked undercover operations, working everything from outlaw motorcycle gangs to hate groups and anti government groups and of course the standard gun traffickers and narcotic traffickers. But worked a lot of undercover stuff. But I'm probably most noted for the last undercover operation I did. I rode more than two years with the Mongols outlaw motorcycle club out of California. Sent 54 of them to prison for murder. They're running dope and guns and beating people, stealing their motorcycles.

[Tyler]

What years was that?

[Billy Queen]

I went in in 1998 and got out in 2000. Two years and two months. I became an officer in the gang. Started becoming a full patch out. I was an officer in that gang.

[James Arnett]

Do they admit that? Do they even acknowledge that.

[Billy Queen]

Oh, they do.

[James Arnett]

Oh, do they?

[Tyler]

Oh, they do that? Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, some of them. You know, I told the truth in the book, under and alone. I told it just like it was. And it was the good, the bad and ugly. And there was good in it. And when there was, I told it in the book, and when it was bad in it, I told that too. And that. That ran everything from murder to standing side by side, taking on the Hell's Angels out there, where if I knew, if I got out alive in those situations, I was going to get out because of my Mongol brothers. Weren't going to be because the cops got me out alive.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

And that happened. That happened. I started out in Laughlin, Nevada, riding with the Mongols, and I ended up in Laughlin, Nevada. And a lot of people saw what happened out there. The big fight between the Mongols and the Hell's Angels, where three people were killed inside and another one was killed outside. Besides sending 16 to 20, some to the hospital for gunshots and knife wounds and hammer strikes and you name it.

[James Arnett]

But I mean, that was. That was what started Dobbin stuff, wasn't it? Was that fight?

[Billy Queen]

Well, yeah, Dobbins. Yeah, that probably what probably was probably was Dobbins is a. You know, he's a good friend of mine too. He worked a lot of undercover operations while he was with atf.

[Tyler]

You guys worked together at all? Cross paths at all professionally?

[Billy Queen]

Well, yeah, we. We worked. A matter of fact, Dobbins came in ATF sometime after I did, and I actually trained Dobbins in some of our activities in atf. But he did good. I don't know what he said while he was on here. Obviously, he got shot.

[James Arnett]

And that wasn't day two.

[Billy Queen]

That wasn't an undercover deal. He got taken hostage. I don't know whether, you know, it. He. ATF's going out to arrest the guy. And the guy got the jump on Dobbins, put a gun to his head and was. Was literally kidnapping him. When he drugged Dobbins into the car, he tried to get in the back seat. When he did, he took his. His hand down, was. He's holding up against Dobbins head. He took the gun down. When he did, there was like four ATF agents standing right there. They unloaded on the dude, and I got to tell you the truth, they killed the dude right there. Dobbins was shot. So they pulled the bad guy out of the car, left him on the side of the road, took the car and drove Dobbins to the hospital.

[Tyler]

They left that Part out of the boat.

[James Arnett]

Hey, man, we got Kazakh to do.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, we're.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And so, you know, somebody said. I was looking in here, and they said, you know how they give us the team? You know the name?

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

I thought this was John Daly for the first 10 seconds.

[Billy Queen]

I wish that I made that kind of money.

[James Arnett]

But, yeah.

[Tyler]

We got some more super chats to hit. Wesley Pruitt. A hundred dollars, bro. Thank you. What's up, fellas? Billy, please tell me you didn't take down FPS Russia.

[James Arnett]

He doesn't know what that means.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, you're. You're gonna have to fill me in on that one, bud.

[James Arnett]

Oh, okay. Do you want the. Okay, so FPS Russia was, like, one of the first gun tubers, man. I mean, and he was, like, out in the countryside. I think it was in Arkansas or something.

[Tyler]

Gun tuber. You mean a gun youtuber?

[James Arnett]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[James Arnett]

Yeah. So, like, before, you know, Cole Anwar, Brandon Herrera, or any of those dudes, he was the first. And he. He was not from Russia, but he spoke with a Russian accent. And he would be like, okay, today we're gonna do this. And he would, like, shoot stuff with tannerite in it, you know, with some weird gun. And then something happened, man. I don't know what, but the ATF came in and, like, his channel was done. He was gone. But he. I mean, he kind of.

[Tyler]

They do it nowadays. Was it, like, one of the first to exist? It was too much.

[James Arnett]

I don't think it was that. I think it was just that, like, you know, you don't know what you don't know in the wild west of YouTube. So, like, you're putting this stuff out there and, like, some Leo is gonna see it and be like, hey, bro.

[Tyler]

So they didn't just shut his channel down. He got in legal trouble.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah. The chat's gonna tell us. The chat's gonna know. The chat knows everything.

[Billy Queen]

All right, we're good. All right, Jimmy, just make sure you're.

[Drew]

Speaking into the mic.

[Billy Queen]

Oh, yeah, it's tempting to go this.

[Drew]

Way with other people.

[James Arnett]

All right, let me.

[Tyler]

That's what she said.

[Drew]

So you see how. How good I sound right now?

[James Arnett]

Yeah, I. I gotta.

[Drew]

I sound like a Now.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, I sound good.

[Tyler]

You know, go like this.

[James Arnett]

I. I gotta do the. I gotta do the Joe Rogan. Hey, put that thing about a fist away from your face.

[Tyler]

Wanna read some more super chats?

[Billy Queen]

All right.

[Drew]

Where would we leave off? Did you read Wesley?

[Tyler]

Wesley 100 from Wesley.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Did you read it?

[Tyler]

I read it. Yeah.

[Drew]

Thank you, Wesley. All right, Downrange publication says a few bucks towards the drinks and cigars tonight, boys. Appreciate everything you do.

[Tyler]

Thank you.

[Drew]

Thanks for such a quality show, such as the audio and video.

[James Arnett]

Absolutely.

[Drew]

Thank you Downrange for noticing. All right, Chuck Loner says can't wait to see Drew on his episode. Would love to see Vanessa on one as well. Closing song, Queen's Dragon attack.

[Tyler]

How much?

[Drew]

20 bucks. Otherwise you let me know if you know Wilma. Something about a dyke feet. Yeah, there it is, Chuck.

[Tyler]

All right, well, okay. One thing they do here is they say their names, right? But their names aren't. They're like. Like wilma dick fit. And you're like, wilma dick fit. And they say it. You're like, ah, yeah, they get us every time.

[James Arnett]

My buddy just texted me and he goes, somebody said in the chat, Brit shaved.

[Tyler]

Jay Dobbins just texted us and said he's watching.

[James Arnett]

Oh, don't kill me, bro. I read your book, man. I bought it twice.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, you know what? Should probably tell some more Jay Dobbins story then. You want me to do that? Jay.

[Tyler]

If you don't answer within five seconds, that's yes.

[Drew]

All right, go. 91 says that Joey Holt. My dad didn't hug me as a kid, so your words don't hurt.

[Billy Queen]

Okay. All right.

[Drew]

He's a good dude. Let's see. Surprise. Thumb. 50 bucks. I only gave money and effed up my first super chat. You have to redo another one Lesson.

[Tyler]

I said that I've. I paid for a super chat. And then you go to click to comment and it says send. And you're like, I didn't say anything. And it just gives the money. It doesn't say anything. I've done that too, bro.

[James Arnett]

Oh, man, that blows.

[Drew]

Says, lesson Learned. I'm sending $50 more for the guy that reads chat to buy Hooked on Phonics. That MFER can't read anything. $50 in for watch me rise by ha.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Drew]

Rest in peace, Officer Wagner.

[Tyler]

Yeah, and it's by who? Watch me ride. By who?

[Drew]

Watch me rise by have heart.

[Tyler]

Aveheart.

[Drew]

Have heart.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So people are roasting me. When I read Tin Can I was our last episode. I had to read a lot of excerpts from a book and I. Man, it was for the first time, right? Yeah, I know, dude.

[James Arnett]

It was like. It was like. It was like watching the kid, like when somebody calls on you in class and you're like, like, oh, man, no, don't call on him.

[Tyler]

It was. I was reading line by line. And I remember I couldn't say sur. Sur. I can't even say the word surpass.

[James Arnett]

Surreptitiously.

[Tyler]

Tipsy. Damn. Can't. I can't spell it.

[James Arnett]

Well, I went to college, you know.

[Tyler]

And I thought we, we and Brent joke a lot. We're like, man, we can edit out and try it again. I'm like, no, leave it in there. It just makes it more authentic. People know I can't read.

[James Arnett]

Who cares? What were your reports like as an officer?

[Tyler]

I wasn't an officer.

[James Arnett]

No, no, no. As a police officer, I'm really good.

[Tyler]

At typing sentences like this, this happened, that happened, this happened that. So this happened. So I did this. That's it.

[James Arnett]

So narrative police report as you know.

[Billy Queen]

When, where.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

So I did come from college. I wrote, you know, I was writing 1520 page essays for Homeland Security and then I joined the police academy. And they're like, we don't know what that garbage is. You need to write police reports. You know, so I, I actually can write very well. I just can't read on the spot very well. Like perfectly too. These, they want you to read perfectly.

[James Arnett]

I'm gonna volunteer as tribute next time. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna do it next time.

[Tyler]

The couch, a little glass of wine.

[James Arnett]

Absolutely.

[Drew]

Let's see, we got Caleb. Bhutan says beer money for the brothers. Stay cool, guys.

[Billy Queen]

Yep.

[Drew]

Thank you, Caleb. Thank you very much, man. Brandon Gregory says, can you guys do a breakdown of the 2017 Vegas shooting? One shooter.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. Okay.

[Drew]

The whole thing doesn't make sense.

[Tyler]

Okay, so this is a very, very, very highly requested episode from me and Brent and we are going to do it. We plan on. We've been planning on doing the Mandalay based shooting for over a year now. We're trying to get subject matter experts in here. Obviously, I'm more the conspiracy theorist of the group. Brent is a very logical Fine dancers why it happened type guy. And so there's no middle ground with us. So I always say, you know, I'm not gonna say my part without saying Brent's defense, but my part is I believe that there was more than one guy from 27 floors up with a bump stock. That being said, you have to be very, very careful when you say things like that because people were killed.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

And a lot of people. And you can't make a mockery of a disaster like that. But it's very serious in the sense that, I mean, no one can really give logical questions as to why it sounded like talking cruiser weapons. And so Brent has Made a lot of logical points about Mandalay based shooting and how it could be.

[James Arnett]

The only thing I can think of is echoes, echoes, echoes through the buildings. That's because if you've been in a gunfight in, in a city you will hear that.

[Tyler]

So we wanted to get, we have contact with one of the Las Vegas SWAT guys that made entry. And, and we're trying to get a journalist that we know covered it extensively for the first couple years that is more conspiracy driven. And we want to do a part one and a part two, both staying on the logical side of it and then one being that, you know, because we again, the, the guy that we have kind of breaking it down from the SWAT end really does not want to entertain any conspiracy theories on his episode because he lost friends and you know, and he's sure he's not about that life. So we're trying to be respectful. It's a very delicate topic to talk about for sure, dude.

[Billy Queen]

I mean, you know, sometimes the best can you can do ain't good enough.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

And there's no. Not always answers. And I think they're still looking today for answers and I don't think they're going to get them.

[Tyler]

No. You trust the government, Billy, as at your age now as a young man, I worked for the government. I thought the government could do no wrong.

[James Arnett]

I, I joined in June 2001, bro. Like they told me, like there's weapons of mass destruction. You're going to get them. And I was like.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, you know what? My, my confidence is coming back simply because of Donald Trump. But before that, you guys would not believe the stuff that I went through that I know when I was in.

[James Arnett]

I work for U.S. department of State. Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Well, everything from when Timothy McVeigh blew up. And this is going to blow people away. This is going to blow them away. Timothy McVeigh blew the federal building up in Oklahoma City. We had a damn good chance of stopping it really. But because of Janet Reno, she shut down the intelligence investigations that all the agencies had going on. If you're not looking. No, everybody everywhere.

[James Arnett]

Okay, everybody was this, this was after Ruby Ridge, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Oh no.

[James Arnett]

Waco.

[Billy Queen]

Waco, yeah, after Waco. Yeah. Well, I was in on the National Alliance. You ever heard of it? The National Alliance. The Turner Diaries. Ever heard?

[James Arnett]

Yes, I have heard of the Turner Diaries.

[Billy Queen]

Well, that that building was blown up in Oklahoma. Timothy McVeigh and Nichols had copies of the Turner Diaries. And I don't know what page it was on, but somewhere toward the middle of that Book. Those people in that book blow up the federal building. And Timothy mcveigh Nichols copied that. We had an agent undercover with the national alliance, and that was me. I was undercover. Had been asked by William Pierce, the guy that founded so what's.

[James Arnett]

What's for people that don't know what's the national alliance? Can you. Can you talk about that?

[Billy Queen]

It's an anti government white supremacy organization. They're out of business now. But back then, then they were the biggest threat when it came to anti government and white supremacy hate groups in the United States. They were truly.

[James Arnett]

So they're real Nazis.

[Billy Queen]

They were real. They were real. They were a threat. They had a 350 acre compound in West Virginia. They were making all kinds of money. They. They were from coast to coast. And we were in on them. We were in on them. We knew that something big was going to happen. At the time. When I got the information, I didn't know what it was, but William Pierce stood with me in a hotel in Los Angeles and said, billy, don't do anything. Don't bring any attention to the national alliance. Something big is about to happen. And they were going to bring me back. When I say the national alliance was going to bring me back to headquarters in West Virginia. I went back, I wrote it up, submitted my paperwork to atf, and I got this response back. Shut the investigation down. And it was like, wait a minute. Something big is just about to happen, and they've asked me to come back. I'll find out what it is. Shut the investigation down. Within a matter of two weeks, McVeigh blew the building sky high.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Ethan]

Why do you think they wanted to shut it down?

[Billy Queen]

Well, okay, this is what I learned while I was in. There were multiple intelligence investigations that were going on. FBI had one that was going on, and they got caught. And they beefed it all the way to doj. And Janet Reno said, okay, you guys have got intelligence investigations going on. If that's all you're looking at, you shut them down, all of them, to include the. My undercover operation. And they shut them all down. Boom, federal building sky high.

[Ethan]

And we wanted to happen they were.

[Billy Queen]

Going to do that, that they were going to do something big, and they shut it down.

[Tyler]

He's asking, do you think this is now where it can turn conspiracy? Do you think the government was allowing something to happen, or do you think they're just incompetent?

[Billy Queen]

I think is that Janet Reno was completely incompetent. Janet Reno was making the calls in waco, Texas, and you know, FBI, AHRT, ATF, SRT was there, and Janet Reno back in D.C. is making the calls.

[James Arnett]

So what was the. I don't have a better term for it. What was the command climate like, you know, when you were in it at that particular time? You know, what was. What was the. The upper echelon. The suits that sit behind the desks, that don't go out there and go down range and do stuff? What was that like?

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know what? We had had some numerous successful undercover operations out there, and this was just another one. And ATF was good with. ATF did not make that call. Janet Reno made that call.

[James Arnett]

So this came down, like, from way, way up.

[Billy Queen]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was. I was a member of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan out of North Carolina, and I was going from North Carolina back to California. I asked the Ku Klux Klan, I said, who do you know out in California I can hook up with? I'm on my way back out there. Well, there was nobody with the Ku Klux Klan, but they hooked me up with the National Alliance. So I had a great introduction into the national alliance from the Ku Klux Klan out in North Carolina. And I could jump right in with my accident. My accent from North Carolina.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[James Arnett]

Dude. I had to work so hard to get rid of my accent.

[Billy Queen]

I played that game. They took me right in. And since I was smart enough to read and write, I worked my way up into the national alliance pretty quick and got to the point where William Pierce. I had met with him several times. At one point, instead of heading up the national alliance on the west coast, they asked me to come to the headquarters in West Virginia. And that's when Pierce told me, don't do anything. Don't say anything. Don't bring any attention to the National Alliance. Something big is about to happen.

[James Arnett]

Who's Pierce again?

[Billy Queen]

William Pierce wrote the book. What did I just say?

[Ethan]

National Alliance?

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

Bombing.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. He. He wrote the book, the Turner Diaries.

[James Arnett]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

And so when. When Timothy McVeigh was arrested, he had a copy of the Turner diary sit inside of him in a car.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[James Arnett]

And. And. And Pierce is not a bad guy.

[Billy Queen]

Pierce is a righteous bag. Pierce, it was a very smart guy. He had a PhD, and it wasn't in basket weaving. It was something like nuclear and radiological physiology. He was righteously smart. That group was extremely successful. And we, as a government agent, ATF was concerned about it. And we worked them for months and months and months. It had gotten to that point when we got that information that they were about to pull something big. And that's when Janet Reno stepped in and should all the intel investigation.

[James Arnett]

I'm gonna have to go your way. Just a second. Do you think that it was in incompetence or is it just political fallout that she's like, hey, anything that's going to cause me some problems?

[Billy Queen]

Well, here. What happened? The FBI had an intelligence undercover operation going and they got called. Now, this is what I was told. FBI got caught. Their undercover guy and whoever that that they were under on bitched it all the way to DOJ and DC and that time at Janet Reno. Janet Reno should listen to it, I guess. Maybe ask a few questions. I don't know. I'd be guessing at that. But the bottom line was, is that she shut every intel investigation, dea, atf, Customs, FBI. She shut them all down. Yep.

[Tyler]

Wow. Hey, we're at the mark where we got to give a shout out to you. Ready, Drew?

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

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[Drew]

Yeah, I want to get them up there.

[Billy Queen]

All right.

[Drew]

Chuck Loner says what the TF is team you Ron Jeremy.

[Tyler]

I told you.

[James Arnett]

Hey, I'm good with it. It's a badge of honor, man. I'll wear that on a shirt.

[Drew]

That's a new thing that we had a team. You lastly roll. Yeah, Jelly roll last week.

[Billy Queen]

That's. That's a new thing now. Wacky Chan. 50 bucks.

[Drew]

Thank you, brother. In the rear with the gear. Outro song. Monster magnet. Space Lord. 50 bucks.

[Tyler]

Nice. Got it.

[Drew]

Ball Zach says FPS Russia was sent weed in the mail. Huge pothead.

[James Arnett]

Told you. They know.

[Drew]

Took a plea deal and spent 60 days in federal prison. Love the show, but do you think.

[Tyler]

That they really care that he had weed in the mail, or do you think they wanted to nail him for a federal charge?

[James Arnett]

You're the cop, bro. You tell me. Like, I want to get this guy. I'll find something.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, there's a lot of conspiracy theories around him, too.

[Ethan]

Like, his producer or something like that was found dead.

[Billy Queen]

Like, there was a bunch of stuff with that whole.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, like, the. The. The whole. Like he put. He put a bunch of tannerite in a. A refrigerator and then fired it.

[Tyler]

But I feel like that's modern YouTube now. Yeah, but then that.

[James Arnett]

Not then, dude.

[Tyler]

Yeah, then not then. You don't play with that. Not. You don'. Yeah, people.

[James Arnett]

People didn't know what the.

[Tyler]

They're like, oh, my God, he's gonna do Waco.

[James Arnett]

All right, dude. Like, I. I mean, I. I was. Dude, I was a sergeant in the army when I was watching that. I mean, like, I was long.

[Tyler]

So you joined in 2001.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And you were in what divisions?

[James Arnett]

I was in 25th.

[Tyler]

25Th ID?

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You were sniper?

[James Arnett]

I was. Okay, look, man, like, not everybody thinks that they know what snipers are. You know, there's freaking guys in the company, in the battalion, in the brigade that are snipers. That we are not doing. We are not ninjas. Okay? We are. A lot of times we're just doing overwatch.

[Tyler]

Were you part of the scout platoon?

[James Arnett]

So the way that 127 and the way 2nd Brigade, 25th ID divvied it up, hhc had snipers, and you fell in under their platoon leader.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

You were your own thing, man. You answered to the. The S2, the S3, and the XO and the. And the battalion commander.

[Tyler]

I remember that.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

So they had a recon.

[Tyler]

Our HHC or our scout platoon had recon element. It was three fourths recon, one fourth sniper, if I remember correctly.

[James Arnett]

That's. That's about right. So you had, like. I think we had three teams. So we had three teams of three. And the army does it different than the Marine Corps. I went to the Marine Corps school out at kb. I didn't go to the army school, so I just kind of did it a little different. The Marine Corps does two guys. The army does three.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[James Arnett]

So normally you have a guy who's a rto, and then you got.

[Tyler]

For a team.

[James Arnett]

Yeah. And then, you know, when you're with recon, like if you're in hhc, which I was for a while when I was under Sarn Dove, who actually shot the guy that Chris Kyle said he shot.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Wait, the long range shot? Yeah.

[James Arnett]

That's a whole story. That's something me and Brent have been talking about.

[Tyler]

Okay. I'LL let. I'll let Brent get. Yeah.

[James Arnett]

So Sarn Dove was another guy, had gone to the Marine Corps school, and we were really aggressive, but we mostly fell in with the recon guys. And then, you know, a lot of times you're doing, like, overwatch or, like, you know, hey, we want you to. We want to look at this named area of interest because we don't have UAVs right now because, you know, task force has them all, so the talon and all that. So you just be watching stuff. You spend more time as a sniper, like, looking at stuff than you ever do, like pulling the trigger.

[Tyler]

Okay. All right.

[Drew]

We got Goon back in. He says gotta head out. Just wanted to stop in for a bit. You boys have a good one. Rangers lead the way.

[Tyler]

All the way.

[Drew]

Jason Palmlin says, don't forget precious. Problem started when s member his crew self deleted, and there were questions about.

[Tyler]

If he did, what was it? What's that?

[James Arnett]

S member?

[Billy Queen]

I don't know.

[Drew]

Could be a typo.

[Tyler]

Give us another $99 and expand on that if you can.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, man.

[Drew]

Sorry, Jason Fitzroy. Uppercut. 50 bucks. Hey, fellas. Love the podcast. Sending you guys some beer money all the way from down under. Also, I've got an idea for the title of a Tim Kennedy biography. From Rambo to Scambo, An Expert's Guide to Stealing Valor.

[Tyler]

Oh, my goodness.

[James Arnett]

Dude, my bad, My bad.

[Tyler]

Say that out loud.

[Drew]

Zulu Whiskey says an episode on or with Tom Mixon. With would be cool.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna write it in my book while actually check. Tom Nixon.

[Drew]

Tom Mixon.

[James Arnett]

I know that name.

[Drew]

Mixon.

[Tyler]

If you guys ever wanted to, like, seriously. In our Patreon, we have a guest recommendations where you guys send it and we go look it up and we find them. It's a hit or miss. About half. People answer. You know, you have to get creative. Like, Billy Queen didn't have an Instagram that I could just be like, yo, what up, Billy? Like, I had to go on his website. Go to. Actually, I lied.

[James Arnett]

I went.

[Tyler]

I went to your website, but it was your running for sheriff website, right? Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Right.

[Tyler]

You're running for sheriff in what county?

[Billy Queen]

Guilford County, North Carolina.

[Tyler]

Damn.

[James Arnett]

Okay, so what. What big towns are in Guilford County?

[Billy Queen]

Greensboro High Point.

[Tyler]

Oh, okay. Yep. There you go.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Right outside Fort Bragg. Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. And I ain't that far from Fort Bragg.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

I mean, what is. What is Bragg? What county is Bragg?

[Tyler]

Oh, come on, man.

[James Arnett]

Dude, I went to 71st High School, and I don't know, okay? I grew up At Bragg and, I don't know, Cumberland County.

[Billy Queen]

God damn it.

[James Arnett]

I knew it. So you're.

[Tyler]

Do you know the guys on ground out there, the deputies? What's your experience with the local law enforcement?

[Billy Queen]

You don't have too much. I was a High Point police officer. I was a sergeant with High Point, and of course, that's in Guilford county when I left them, went to the Border Patrol. I wasn't back in North Carolina for almost 30 years. And that's a big disadvantage for me because I'm running against a guy that spent 30 years in the Guilford County Sheriff's office, and everybody knows him, so that's a hurdle. Yeah, but we'll get over it. We'll get over it. Okay.

[Ethan]

You think you would be a Grady Judd type of sheriff?

[Tyler]

Oh, I'm gonna be like a real. Like a. We ran out of bullet shafts.

[Billy Queen]

They had to reload. Yeah. Well, look, guys, you know, I'm. I'm a soldier, just like you guys are, and I. And I've been in shootouts in Vietnam and on the streets in the United States, so. And I've seen a lot of things that people just. They don't want to see. Yeah, they don't want to see. When you see them, you get an attitude. And I. And I do have that attitude. I do. There's some people out there that need to be in prison. Yeah, there's some guys. There's some people that out there in prison don't need to be in prison. So it's. It's messed up. And I. I've seen it. And when it comes to Guilford County, I'll straighten that out.

[Tyler]

Okay. Are you gonna be one of, like. I've always respected the sheriffs or, you know, that said, you know. You know why criminals don't cut through our county? Because I'm sheriff. Right. Like, they. When they're gonna commit crimes, they don't commit them in our county, and they don't cut through our county.

[James Arnett]

I mean, Grady Judd's the master at that.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, well, I like that. And I bring to the table what my competitor doesn't. He's got experience in the sheriff's office there, but I got experience all over the United States of America as a federal agent, as a local guy, as a border patrol agent. I've seen a lot from. From coast to coast out here, and what I learned, I'll take it to Guilford County.

[Ethan]

Been there, done that. Got the T shirt.

[Billy Queen]

That's right.

[James Arnett]

So what do you. What do you see as the biggest problems over there in Guilford County.

[Billy Queen]

Well, the biggest problems with what? With crime or with leadership Is the biggest problem.

[James Arnett]

If you had to put it, you know, in a, in a priority list.

[Billy Queen]

Well, I'm going to tell you what, guys, this might piss a lot of people off out there, but I'm, I'm, I could be your dad, I could be your granddad. So I come from an era that I know that everybody has heard. We didn't lock our doors at nighttime. We didn't have to do that. We live the keys in the car outside. You know, we didn't worry about it. We sent our kids to the playgrounds. We didn't worry about gangs beating them up. We didn't worry about somebody coming in, trying to sell them poison and stuff. We had kids that drove pickup trucks to high school and they put guns in the back of their trucks, gun racks in the back. That was my time. I saw. Nobody thought anything about it. Nobody got shot, nobody stole their guns. So what happened? And I watched decade after decade after decade, and I don't know where you guys are coming from, but I'm gonna tell you, when we took God out of the schools, we took God out of the homes, we took God out of our governments got left, right now what you got left is a result of that. We, we, we traded in the Lord Jesus Christ for barbed wire, for cops in the school, for, for guard dogs and dope dogs and all of this stuff. And this is what you've got today because that happen now you can, you can hire more cops, you can have better cars, better radio equipment, you can have high tech stuff and ain't gonna get better.

[Ethan]

Not believe they did that.

[Billy Queen]

Not until we get together with the community and say, look, if you want us to make your life more safe, you're gonna have to do it with us. Because the cops have been out there for decades and decades and things are not any better today. If the community doesn't get together, get behind law enforcement and participate with them in these programs, it ain't getting any better. We're going to be doing the same old thing, chasing our tails decade after decade until we understand that if we don't improve, we lost our moral compass. And so what are we guided by today? Money, power, recognition and so on and so forth. Lord Jesus Christ is not there today to show the people the right way to go. That's right. And until we get back that way, it ain't getting any better. I'm telling you, pour more money into it, Hire More people get more cars out there in the street. Guess what? The same old stuff is going to be happening over and over until the community says, let's get together and make it better. Not the cops, but the community. And that's what Billy Queen's going to bring to Guilford County, North Carolina.

[Drew]

Love it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

That you just kind of promo. Did you put that on, Pat McAfee?

[Ethan]

I think a lot of it does have to do with the community also, because I believe that Americans are bending over backwards for immigrants that are coming here that have different religions and different ways of life, and we're trying to conform to their beliefs and their lifestyle, and it's hurting our country because we don't want to offend anybody.

[Billy Queen]

The government, now, when I say the government, ICE and all the government agencies right now are trying to track people down and get them out of this country that they know are bad. They're not trying to track down the people that are out here just working, trying to make a better life for themselves. They're trying to track down the murderers, the rapists, the. The child molesters and stuff. They got their hands full. And listen, ladies and gentlemen, I'm telling you, sooner or later, it's going to catch up with the United States of America big time. We got organizations within the United States right now that blow us to kingdom come. And I'm telling you, it's only a matter of time before they do it.

[Tyler]

If not in, what is it? It's not if it's one.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, you're exactly right.

[Tyler]

Let's catch up on some super chats.

[Billy Queen]

All right?

[Drew]

And, Billy, when you start getting passionate, which I love to watch you when. When you start pounding on that desk, I want you to pound on Tyler instead, right?

[James Arnett]

So that's okay.

[Drew]

I don't want you not to pound.

[James Arnett]

It's my fault. My wife just texted me. She's like, you need to talking to Mike.

[Drew]

It's all right.

[Billy Queen]

All right.

[Drew]

Zulu Whiskey says an episode finishes. Tom Mixon, he said he was seen till six red cell turned to bank robber and is now out of prison. So that's. That's the story on Tom Mixon, a.

[James Arnett]

Guy from Blue who's doing criminal stuff. No, that would never happen, man.

[Drew]

Let's see. Vladimir Putin, not kgb, says hello from mother Russia. Vodka, money for the boys.

[Billy Queen]

Oh, man.

[James Arnett]

Dude, you were so good, man. You were just. You were rolling, and then you just correct it.

[Billy Queen]

Oh, there he goes. All right, got it.

[Drew]

All right, grab my boozy. Says Thursday night is for the boys. Have you guys received any feedback I. From the TK Monday episode?

[Tyler]

Lots of feedback. Again, the. The TK Stuff is really Brent's expertise, the special operations community and stuff. As you know, I just read like a crappy 8th grader that skips class a lot.

[James Arnett]

That felt so bad for you.

[Tyler]

But, yeah, lots of good feedback. I mean, you know, it's. It's. I know Brent has communications with him, and, you know, not. Not a lot just has had communications with him. And so.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, look, man, like, so I was talking to my buddy who was a medic with the 82nd during the pullout, during the evacuation. He was like, num. He was like, guy number 155, the last guys out, and he has. I mean, and this is a dude who's a medic, so, you know, he's pretty chill, and he has strong feelings about this guy. And, you know, dude, all he has to do is just be like, I up, up. It's my dad.

[Tyler]

You know, I mean, we could have done the embellishing thing. Yeah, you could have done the embellishing thing way back, I think, and been like, I embellished a little bit. I was trying to tell a story. I mean, I honestly believe that I.

[James Arnett]

I'm good with that.

[Tyler]

I mean, back then. Now, people. People.

[James Arnett]

Well, now he's. I mean, and you guys said this on the last podcast, he's like, hey, man, you're trying to get to politics now.

[Ethan]

Like, starting off with lies.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, you. You can't. You can't start from a place of lies and go, but now I'm going to tell the truth.

[Drew]

You got to practice something.

[Ethan]

That's politics. That's why he's getting no, man.

[Drew]

All right, we got Lilith Arnett. Shout out to the sexy guy with.

[Billy Queen]

The number eight hat on.

[James Arnett]

That's my wife.

[Tyler]

That's my wife.

[James Arnett]

That's my wife. She's so gorgeous. Like, I have no business. I. I will show you pictures. Like, I have no business with this girl. And.

[Tyler]

And.

[James Arnett]

And she's still in the army, man. She's. She's getting ready to. She's getting ready to ets. That's why she's in the army. Yeah, she's in the army right now.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, she's getting ready to ets. That's why she's not here. I mean, it just worked out good. Brent's not here. She's not here.

[Tyler]

Ron Jeremy.

[James Arnett]

Oh, man.

[Drew]

Well, going back to that, we got a lot of great comments on. On that episode, the part 3 tk a lot. A lot of good comments in the video.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I saw you in the comments section. Instagram, Drew. Duking it out with people.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Respectively.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Drew]

I try to be professional and respectful. Absolutely. But, you know, some. Some knuckleheads, I just can't let go.

[Billy Queen]

They're just so stupid.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Anyway, Jason's back in. He says it was a typo his producer self deleted, and there were questions on whether it was murder instead.

[Tyler]

Okay, you were talking about the.

[James Arnett]

We're talking about FPS Russia. Yeah, FPS Russia.

[Tyler]

All right.

[James Arnett]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, dude, you could dive deep.

[Tyler]

Is he still in prison or is he done?

[James Arnett]

I think he's done, man. But he. I think he has that quiet life. Oh, yeah. He ain't getting anywhere near it anymore.

[Billy Queen]

Someone said in the chat he's like a guest or something on a podcast.

[James Arnett]

Okay, yeah, but I mean, like. I mean, here's the thing, though. Like, whatever you have to say about FPS Russia, every other person that's on YouTube that talks about guns that goes out to the range and shoots guns, he was the first guy. He's the first guy that was big. And, you know, I. I wasn't in the atf, but there were. There were some people that were gunning for him right out of the gate.

[Billy Queen]

You know what? When it came to atf, when I was in, it wasn't about a particular gunslinger that might be out there. It was about a violent group. When I was working, the group, the Ontario Skinheads was a group that I went after, went after the West Coast Nazis out there. And they were. The Ontario Skinheads were unbelievable. They were doing things like they were looking for people to beat up. And I, you know, I've been working undercover with people. Ontario.

[Tyler]

If I got beat up by somebody from Ontario, I'm sorry. Sorry I gotta beat you out.

[James Arnett]

Hey, man, you had this one coming and you know that. I'm really sorry about this.

[Billy Queen]

You know what they would do? Some of the young punks, they would go out and walk to neighborhoods and they would get the little kittens out of the neighborhoods where people were Kittens.

[James Arnett]

They were killing kittens.

[Billy Queen]

Little kittens. They would go pick them up, take them back to their little clubhouse stuff.

[James Arnett]

They had a Delta Force killing kittens.

[Billy Queen]

They had pit bulls. And for fun, they throw the kittens to the pit bulls and watch them tear them up.

[James Arnett]

Oh, my God, man.

[Tyler]

How do you kill kittens?

[Billy Queen]

And I'm. And I'm standing there with these guys thinking, jesus Christ, I can't wait till you Go down.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, at what point, though, did the ATF switch from what you guys were doing, you and Jay Dobbins and all those guys to these, you know, suits who were just coming after normal citizens who were just.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know what? I don't.

[Tyler]

The other part of the atf.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Because it's two sides, right? Well, we just learned that.

[Billy Queen]

Well, yeah, that there's that two sides. And regulatory side always went after the books and the people selling guns and stuff like that. And the side that I was on was always going after the bad guys. The real criminals, the real hardcore violent criminals like Jay Dobbins ends up getting almost blown away. And unfortunately, the time that I spent in. I watched so many of my friends go down with a bullet chasing bad guys. And I mean, that's what.

[James Arnett]

That's what you think. Like, nobody. Nobody joins the ATF or a police department or a sheriff's department thinking that, like, I'm gonna.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you know, I'm gonna be in 20, 25.

[James Arnett]

I'm gonna push paper and I'm gonna find some white collar. Like, everybody wants to go find a bad guy.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know what? It wasn't that long ago. Now, I'm not gonna name his name, but atf undercover guys down in Florida. He's doing an undercover deal. And like I said not too long ago, and he's up multiple stories in some type of a high rise up there. Things go bad, they're going to kill him. They either pushed him or he jumped from five stories up and he's will spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair.

[Tyler]

Jesus. I want to make an announcement. The reason why there's a Mongols patch out here.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

Is because this was what Billy wore undercover. Can you put it on me, Drew? This is what Billy wore undercover for two years. So I think this is the coolest thing ever. And he let me place it on my chair. But out of the transparency or not transparency. What's the word I'm looking for? I don't want things to be out of context.

[Billy Queen]

Insanity.

[Tyler]

Billy's trying to get me shot.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, let's just be transparent, dog. Yeah, let's just go with transparent. Transparent, good.

[Tyler]

But, yeah, so put this over here.

[Ethan]

I would imagine that's dangerous to even have after going through that.

[Billy Queen]

You know, guys, we're gonna have to talk about that.

[James Arnett]

Let's do it.

[Billy Queen]

You want to talk about it? No, I don't know, guys. Listen, I'm. I'll say this.

[Tyler]

How many rounds you see How Many rounds do you think are hidden on this table right now?

[James Arnett]

In chamber in shape? Just on this table alone, probably 60.

[Tyler]

I've got 13.

[James Arnett]

I got 17. I mean, like there's, there's more under. I mean, like, like, I mean, we, we're gonna put up the most hellacious 45 second firefight that you've ever seen.

[Billy Queen]

This would not be the place to try to take anybody. And down here tonight.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Only talk about what you're comfortable with, Bill, you're the one that has to live this life with, you know.

[Billy Queen]

You know, I, I'll make some things clear. You, if you want to go there. I became a Mongol. Full patch. I became an officer in the gang. I made up my mind early on when I thought that I could actually get in. When, when I felt like they weren't going to just kill me and that if I keep going the way I'm going, I could get a full pack, I could become one of them. And the fact is I became one of them, became an officer in that gang. But I did what I had to do to do that, to make that happen. And there's no such thing as timeout or part time.

[James Arnett]

Can I ask a question? You know, I've heard people criticize people that go undercover before and they're like, at some point there's a part of you that wanted to actually do this. Like, there's a part of you that wanted to be a Mongol.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know, the way it started out, we never thought that we're going to really get into the Mongols as a full patch. Yeah, we thought we'd get next to them for a couple of months. We'd buy dope from them, we'd buy guns from them. And the longer it went, the more the possibility was that we could do it.

[Tyler]

That's what Jay said, that his original intent was to never again Hell's Angels.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

But Jay says that. And there's people out there that will criticize you and Jay and be like, no, he just wanted to live out his, you know, outlaw biker fantasy. And I, I think that's bullshit, personally.

[Billy Queen]

Well, I, I tell you, there were points where I had a gun to my head and they were accusing me of being a cop and I really thought my life was over with. They took me out in the middle of nowhere. That red red dog and it. Red dog in his red dog.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

I went 150 miles north of Los Angeles. Didn't make any sense at all.

[Tyler]

I remember reading that book and at that part I was Like, I mean, it was like watching a movie.

[James Arnett]

Is there something you want me to read?

[Tyler]

Not really.

[Billy Queen]

Yep. They. They took me out and. And I. The whole time I was thinking, what the hell are we doing coming up here an hour and a half north of la? What the hell? And there were no answers. What the hell? We thought that we were going to go to a firing range. We didn't. It drove us out in the middle of nowhere. And the whole time was all going on, going through my head, what the hell's going on? What the hell's going on? Till we got out in the middle of nowhere. They got out, they all jack rounds in their guns and stuff. And then Red Dog comes up to me and starts accusing me of being a cop. So what are they thinking? They brought me all the way out here to blow my head off.

[James Arnett]

But I mean, like, if they were gonna kill you, but they really. Broadcaster, you just do it?

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know, at that time, I.

[Tyler]

Didn'T know and I didn't care.

[James Arnett]

I mean, you know, I mean, like, yeah, I'm kind of of the opinion, like, you're gonna do something, do it. Like, don't broadcast it. That's just for show.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, Willie, it's not like a broadcast. Okay, bring Billy up here. Bring Billy up there.

[Tyler]

Gotcha.

[Billy Queen]

Then we go out in the middle of nowhere, and then they start accusing me of being a cop. Then Red Dog puts a gun to my head and he starts saying, who'd you tell you were going to be up here today? I tell anybody I was going to be up here. Said, who? Who knows you're with the Mongols today? I'm like, red Dog, nobody knows I'm with the Mongols today.

[Tyler]

Was this just they're testing you or what did he think? Because I remember in the book, Red Dog really honestly thought you, no matter what anybody said, he had suspicions about you.

[Billy Queen]

Well, that's what he said. He said he always thought.

[James Arnett]

Is that secondhand? Is that like after the fact?

[Billy Queen]

That's exactly what happened. And he was on tv, he did some program where they interviewed him and they asked him about that. And he said, I wouldn't have really blown him away, not in front of all them witnesses and shit. Well, hold a witnesses of Mongols. And then he says, I knew he was a cop. Well, he took me out on the Emma on robberies with him. Gun robberies and stuff. Yeah, you knew I was a cop. Let's go out, rob some people, do some drug collection.

[James Arnett]

Collection, man. You know, criminals, man.

[Tyler]

Hey, at popular, at popular demand, drew I knew you put it in the chat, but can you read the verse of the day? Oh, gosh, I'm sorry, I know you put. I saw you put it in there.

[Drew]

Well, I put, I put the, the address, but not the verse. The verse of the day is this first. Thessalonians 4, 16, 17. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of a command, with the voice of an archangel, that's.

[Billy Queen]

A warrior, by the way.

[Drew]

And with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with him in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. That's the blessed hope.

[Ethan]

Amen.

[James Arnett]

Amen.

[Drew]

And he's coming. He's coming back. Just as sure as Christmas came and went. He's coming. It's not superstition, it's not fairy tale.

[Tyler]

It's not a matter of if. It's when.

[James Arnett]

I, I drink and I smoke and I cuss, but going to hell. I'm not going to hell. There's a, There's a lot of people. Like before I joined the army, like I was gonna be. I was gonna go be a pastor. Like that was the plan.

[Tyler]

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[Billy Queen]

Just.

[Drew]

We got. Joey says I never got to catch this live. Very cool show. Just want to contribute beyond my Patreon membership to keep the show alive.

[Tyler]

Thank you, man.

[Billy Queen]

Thank you, Joey.

[Drew]

Let's see. Craig Rothman, $136. It's a very specific number.

[James Arnett]

36.

[Tyler]

I didn't know you could do that.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, you are. No, you can.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Billy Queen]

All right.

[Drew]

20 years in New York City and last five with my family. Entirely safe thanks to the NYPD. So glad I just got out of that liberal hellhole. God bless all our officers and please help them there.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, God bless the New York.

[Drew]

PD Sergeant Will says. Hey, cast and crew. Vanessa asked me to show some love tonight. Appreciate all you do. Drew, Brent, Tyler, Vanessa, and everyone else. You all are amazing. Respect and love, guys and gals.

[Billy Queen]

Thank you.

[Tyler]

Seriously, thank you, man.

[Drew]

Guinnesson says you guys should try and get one of the Generation Kill recon Marines on Generation Kill. What's a generation?

[James Arnett]

Okay. Generation Kill is a.

[Tyler]

First off, it's a badass.

[James Arnett]

So dope. Like, if you don't know, like, Generation Kill is the band of brothers, the Pacific for the global war on terror. So that was the guys from First Recon that did the initial push into Iraq, and a lot of those dudes are. They're legends.

[Billy Queen]

Very cool.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, they're very, very cool.

[Drew]

All right, Wesley Pruitt back in for a hundred dollars. Thank you again, Wesley.

[Billy Queen]

Billy.

[Drew]

I'm from Cabarrus. How do you say that one?

[Billy Queen]

Cabarrus.

[Drew]

Cabarrus county, brother. Totally agree. God, family, community, nation. The secularists have declared war on everything that is good and decent.

[Billy Queen]

Amen.

[Drew]

Spot on. All right, Jefferson, Newbie, we need more of the Pledge of Allegiance as well.

[Tyler]

Yep.

[Drew]

Rowdy grunt, 20 bucks. Bring more of our badass sheriffs onto the show.

[James Arnett]

You know, I mean, I. I have a hookup for Grady Judd.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I think. I think Grady Judd, he.

[James Arnett]

Oh, no, this is not his scene, though. This is not his scene. So I. I was in 127. I got a buddy of mine named Dan Jarvis. Dan, if you're watching, he has a really good company that helps veterans deal with ptsd.

[Tyler]

All right?

[James Arnett]

He was. His ex wife was Grady Judd's, like, secretary.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[James Arnett]

And. But this ain't his scene, man.

[Tyler]

He seems a little stiff around the collar.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

Hard like ministers? Hard like.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, like he'd be better off in a church. Yeah, yeah, for sure. This is the podcast.

[Tyler]

He's like, should I not be here?

[James Arnett]

Yeah, this Is the podcast for his deputies, though. His deputies are.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And I was telling Billy, I mean, it's cool to see that, you know, to see all the pictures of patrol car radios watching us, you know, on night shift, or. We have a really, really, really, really supportive following everywhere, from cops to vets to firefighters. You know, they're. They're very, very good to us, and they tune in and they support us in any way they can. They buy from our sponsors, you know, just because they. They like the show. Some of us has reached out and said, you know, super, super compelling, nice things that, you know, like, things that they were going through that, you know, like this squad cast we created. I remember me and Brent created it on Thursday night. We had 28 people watching, you know, at one point, and, you know, it just kind of grows and the community grows, and we kind of tailored it. We wanted it to be a night with the boys, beer, cigars, a little less informal. And so, you know, these guys. These guys come around every Thursday and, you know, it's become a ritual for all of us, you know, to engage with them like this. So thank you, guys. It means the world to us.

[Ethan]

Some of the guys will pay 500 just to play a song.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, it's crazy.

[Drew]

The couch camera is limping out on us.

[James Arnett]

It wouldn't be. It wouldn't be a podcast if it didn't have this issue.

[Drew]

This is live, folks. This is not edited live.

[Billy Queen]

All right.

[James Arnett]

Oh, my God.

[Tyler]

I'm wearing it. The squad cast tanks came in today.

[James Arnett]

Dude, I want one of those. I want one of those.

[Tyler]

So they're gonna be up me, and this will be probably the last thing me and Brent sell on our websites before the anti hero merch store is up. And then we'll have more designs like this.

[James Arnett]

How much longer?

[Tyler]

What do you mean before the. The.

[James Arnett]

The merch is up?

[Tyler]

We're just. It's all a matter. It's a matter of buying the store or not buying the store. Setting up the store, having our graphic designer make shirts, you know, because we're going to do it, because me and Brent, when we. When we sell our shirts, we print them all. I'll print 50 to 100 shirts and we store them all. We package them ourselves, we ship them out ourselves. Because we can guarantee. I mean, Drew does it with frcc, you can guarantee quality control when you don't drop ship now, but for Anti Arrow, we're just so busy, we're going to have to go to drop shipping, but we can have way more Designs and they're made on demand. So they're not made like. We don't have to make like. We made a batch of like a hundred of these, right? Yeah. We have to front the money. We have to fold them, bag them, store them, sell them. Where if you do a print on demand website, they make them in real time.

[James Arnett]

It's so funny because you, you know how you're like, we got there before the fd. We got there before the fd. You say that like a lot. I got two buddies. One's in the New York City Fire Department, the other one was in the Philadelphia Fire Department, and they're the ones that told me to start watching your show.

[Tyler]

Really?

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

That's cool. Yeah. And I saw a super chat. We do not want to hold this off any longer. So there was actually more than two, if I, If I was reading correctly, but the ones in the media first offered Detective Islam. Detective Islam was shot and killed while working a security detail at 345 Park Avenue in Manhattan. A lone gunman entered the building around 6:30pm killing an additional four people and wounding one. The suspect barricaded himself in an office and was found with a self inflicted gunshot wound. Of course. Yeah. Detective Islam had served with the New York City Police Department for three and a half years and was signed to the 47th Precinct. He is survived by his extended expectant wife, two children and his father.

[James Arnett]

And this happened when?

[Tyler]

This was the last attempted mass shooting when a guy walked into the. I think it was an NFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Arnett]

Okay. Why do, why do these dudes not want to have gunfights with the swat?

[Tyler]

He was, you know, he was. It sucks, man. He's expectant, white, two children.

[James Arnett]

Jesus Christ.

[Tyler]

You know, so our condolences to Detective Islam's family and I'm going to give a shout out to. Hold on one second. I lost my place. Sorry. I had them pulled up. But yeah, that was the. And you know what's cool about that one is that Barstool Sports put out a shirt for him, which I saw. That is for them to do. That is. You know, dude, social media is so.

[James Arnett]

Fast at this point. Like, even when you grew up with.

[Tyler]

It, like, I mean, but with the world we live in now, supporting law enforcement, even if they're fallen is. Sometimes people look at that as. They just like to stick to first responders because supporting the cops gets by. By. What do you call that? Yeah, Political. I don't know, polarizing. That's what I'm looking For it gets polarizing and supporting law enforcement like, Like.

[James Arnett]

But those same people are the exact same people that, like, somebody's playing their music too loud and they're gonna call the cops.

[Tyler]

Police Officer Wagner. Lorraine Police Department police officer Phil Wagner was ambushed at River Bend drive near the 2200 block of Colorado Avenue in Lorraine on July 23, 2025 at 1pm Officer Wagner and another officer were in their patrol vehicle eating lunch when a man opened fire on their patrol car when they called for help. Another officer was also ambushed. Two officers were life flighted to Metro Health Medical center in Cleveland, and one officer was treated for a gunshot wound to his hand. At Mercy Health and Lorraine Hospital, Officer Wagner succumbed to multiple gunshot wounds the next day. The shooter was killed in exchange of gunfire with responding officers. Officer Wagner was a United States Marine Corps veteran and has served with the Lorraine Police Department for three years in the Sheffield Village Police Department for four years. He is survived by his wife and three children. So, I mean, I'm not. I'm not even trying to sound corny. It's really hard to read that because I start wanting to get choked up.

[James Arnett]

Dude. Like, if you've ever. If you've ever lost a buddy, it's always hard because you can always feel that.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you don't even want to think about it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

You just. You want it to go from your head. You don't want to think about it, but there's no way that you can.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So they were eating lunch. From what I heard from some guys of his, one of his. One of the guys that reached out to me was. Said that they were eating in their spot where, you know, we go, we. We sit like this, we watch each other's backs, and we eat lunch. You know, we eat lunch in our cars because a lot of cops don't feel. So we. Punch this for me.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

A lot of cops don't feel safe. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of cops don't feel safe out in public. You just feel safe in your patrol car. But that there is. I don't know if this is verified, but someone told me that it looks like the gunman had possibly been staking out the fact that that's where their regular routine place was.

[James Arnett]

And it ain't that hard, man. Like, if you drive every day like I do, I. I know where the cops hang out. I know exactly where they hang out. But I. I mean, I. I look for it because I don't want to get pulled over because I speed. But, like, I mean, you can Always see them parked back to back. They're only in, like, a church parking lot or something like that, you know? I mean, it's almost like, dude, very routine, bro.

[Ethan]

It's a shame. A lot of these guys fight for their country. They go overseas, and then they come back to where they're from and they get killed by their own people.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

That have zero care for life.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And. And a lot of us, you know, I don't want to call us cop podcasters, but cops turn podcasters. I mean, we. This is where I feel my calling is. Is being a voice for modern day law enforcement and remembering, you know, the cops that they gave the ultimate sacrifice, man. It's always the one with, like, all the kids, small children.

[James Arnett]

Oh, my God, dude. It was the same in the army, man. The best guys that had kids, they were like father of the year. And it's like, if you're gonna. I mean, there's. There's scumbags everywhere. Why would you kill this guy?

[Tyler]

As a. You know, they're both such crazy scenarios. Active shooter, which, I mean, It's America in 2025. It's not that crazy anymore. But, you know, you go to work in detail. I'm not. I don't know anything. I can only speak for myself that. You know what? Sometimes when I work details, I'm not the most vigilant because I'm doing it for extra money, you know, so you're not on patrol. You're not responding to calls that could be dangerous. You're not being proactive and stopping crime. You're on a detail detail, you know, making some extra cash.

[Billy Queen]

Well, it's certainly a different time now, and it's really too bad. It's almost like it's expected now. But when I was coming up, it was really coming from left field. If a cop got shot, I mean, it was national news. You didn't hear it. You just didn't hear it. But today it's like, oh, somebody's gonna get shot today. Well, nobody gonna get shot.

[Ethan]

It's every day.

[James Arnett]

Tyler. What. What changed, man?

[Tyler]

Are you talking about the culture shift toward law enforcement? Yeah, it happened so the government. Not the government. The culture shifted. Wasn't law enforcement related in 2014? I believe is Trayvon Martin, when we shifted towards what we were moving towards. I want to say it was Eric Brown or Eric Brown with the hand up, don't shoot, which really targeted. And I could be getting my timeline wrong. I'm sorry if I am. There was Eric Garner in New York City. Who, you know, all these, all these guys were shitheads. They were convicted felon shitheads fighting the police and got killed. The Eric Brown one, the hands up, don't shoot movement was false. It didn't even happen. It goes to show you, if somebody says something and how many people can believe it and, and it just wasn't factual and no one was listening when they were saying this didn't happen. His autopsy showed that this couldn't have happened. The witnesses then recanted their statements. This didn't happen. I just said it, so. And then there was, like I said, Eric Brown, New York City. The big one. Am I forgetting any, Obviously was Derek Chauvin and Saint Floyd.

[James Arnett]

I mean, I mean, like, huh, Rodney.

[Tyler]

King probably didn't help. Oh yeah.

[James Arnett]

I mean, I was a kid when Rodney King happened.

[Billy Queen]

I don't want to hear that.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, well, well off, old man.

[Tyler]

You know what?

[Billy Queen]

I'm sitting here with a bunch of punks.

[James Arnett]

Rodney dangerfield over here.

[Ethan]

Mr. Queen, I have a few questions for you.

[Billy Queen]

Yes, sir.

[Ethan]

One is, what do you think it was in you that got you so high in rankings of the Mongols? The clan of the other place to where they felt trust. They trusted you to let you get that far because, I mean, two and a half years, that seems pretty short to, to infiltrate the Mongols and get.

[Tyler]

That high up what you do, Billy?

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know, when it came to the Mongols, I was secretary and treasurer and I made it lightning fast because I could read and write. And you know, one thing else that got me, you know, they were. They were so stupid. None of them had a credit card because all their credit was all destroyed. You know, they were a bunch of jailbirds and stuff. Well, I had a credit card. I supposedly had a legitimate job and I did. I worked for atf, but they didn't know that. But I had a credit card. If they wanted to rent trucks to steal stuff, they would come to me. And I did everything that I had to do to get through that prospecting thing as fast as I could. I wasn't stupid and I wasn't doing stupid shit. And, and that's how I was able to come up and do things so quick. But also I was willing to do whatever I had to do to make it happen. And if it was murder, I was. I was sent on multiple murders. The only reason that, that the case wasn't over with is because we left out the people that we were going to murder we couldn't find or something.

[Ethan]

Did you try to steer them away from.

[Billy Queen]

Listen, I'M I got to be honest with you. I was in a car with him saying, oh, God, what. What am I going to do? Oh, God, what am I going to do? I was out of control. Yeah. I really couldn't. We cornered the guy in a club one night, and it was going to kill him in the club. And I'm like, wait a minute. Look at all these witnesses. Look at all these witnesses. We do that, we're all go to jail and shit. I'm arguing with him not to kill a guy in front of everybody. And then I got idiots saying, let's drag him outside. We'll kill him outside. You know, I'm like, everybody's going to see us dragging him outside. He's dead. We're all going to go to prison. And I spent two years doing that kind of stuff. Wait a minute.

[James Arnett]

You got to hit Tyler.

[Billy Queen]

Prison.

[James Arnett]

You got to hit Tyler. You got to stop hitting.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So for those of you just joining us, I saw a couple comments. We have Billy Queen. He was. He's retired atf, and he infiltrated the Mongols for two years, two months.

[James Arnett]

Yeah. He's one of the good ones, though.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And. And then the other person with us.

[James Arnett]

Oh, man.

[Tyler]

You're just like me.

[James Arnett]

Dude. The guy that sits in this chair, like, okay.

[Tyler]

You brought your beret.

[James Arnett]

I. I did, man. Hey.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Hey. Hey.

[James Arnett]

You can go yourself. Hey, all my 25th ID guys out there, we. We don't. We're not dope on a rope, man.

[Tyler]

We.

[James Arnett]

We're not 101st, man. We don't have bandit brothers, okay? We're not 82nd with our berets that cover up our eyes like we're freaking Jackson.

[Tyler]

You want to know how you wear it?

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

This is how. I'm dead serious.

[James Arnett]

You're not joking. This is not a lie.

[Tyler]

This is how we. Oh, my head got fatter.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah, it did.

[Tyler]

But we wear it like this. Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Like Jack Sparrow.

[Tyler]

That's how a paratrooper and even some guys go.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah. They'll put it right here.

[Tyler]

Right here.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Right?

[James Arnett]

You got to be a stud, though.

[Tyler]

If you're not a stud, you'll get called out.

[James Arnett]

Okay, so in the 25th ID, okay? Because in. In. Okay. 2nd and 3rd Brigade, the ones in Schofield Barracks, Hawaii. We don't jump out of planes. And we're not. We don't have Band of brothers. We don't have all that surfers, man. We're cooler than you. It's okay. It's okay.

[Billy Queen]

They don't jump she got how many.

[Tyler]

Jumps do I got it? He's gonna say it's a dead tactic since World War.

[Billy Queen]

Nope.

[James Arnett]

No, no, because I got. I. I got so many. Do you know how many 82nd guys came to 25th? Well, you guys, it was light.

[Tyler]

I know. They were like. Well, that's what they always told us in 80 seconds.

[Billy Queen]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. What holds up a chicken's ass? Oh, come on.

[James Arnett]

Hey, listen, man, I. I loved. I loved being in the 25th ID. I loved it. That's the best place in the Army. And it's not a. It's not a secret. You are going to go downtown to Waikiki as a brand new private. You're going downtown to Waikiki. It is a conveyor belt of people. And I'm saying people, because my wife is watching right now. Okay? They are coming.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[James Arnett]

Flight attendants, traveling, volleyball teams, people there for vacations, people there on cruises, people there for weddings. It doesn't matter, man. You're gonna find it. And. Yeah, okay, the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps is all there, but you're gonna find it, bro. And when you go on deployment and then you come back, you're coming back to Hawaii. You're not going to brag.

[Tyler]

It's fair.

[James Arnett]

Okay? You're not going to Vietnam.

[Billy Queen]

Okay.

[Ethan]

Super chat from your saying that. Papers are in the middle.

[James Arnett]

Dude, my wife. Okay, so let me. If you'll. If you'll go for it. My wife is the MVP of every deployment that I ever did.

[Tyler]

How many employees did you do? 3. You were in Solder City in 2007?

[James Arnett]

2008.

[Tyler]

2008. I was in Baghdad, 2008.

[James Arnett]

Where were you at F.O.B. we had Liberty.

[Tyler]

No loyalty. But, well, we were based out of. I was. I was sent out to copped Bella diot.

[James Arnett]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I think it was called JJ. It was JS.

[James Arnett]

Yeah. Okay. Okay, so. And you were in the 82nd because. We ripped out with the Blue falcons from the 82nd because that's who.

[Billy Queen]

Solder cities.

[Tyler]

I mean, we never went into soccer because at the time they were like, we're not in Solders. Yeah, well, we're not going. They had a deal with Solder.

[James Arnett]

Okay? So here. Billy, you're gonna have to forgive me, bro, because I know you're the star of the show, but, like, let's hear it.

[Ethan]

I still have two more questions.

[James Arnett]

So we ripped out with the fourth brigade from 82nd.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[James Arnett]

And they were. I remember we. They kept getting joked because they were Blue Falcons. They were the Falcons. I guess somebody in a chat's gonna fucking tell me. Yeah, we ripped out with them and First Calf. They were up there at Taji. So Solder City. The only people that were going in to Solder City was that brigade from 82nd and mostly guys from Task Force 1 7.

[Tyler]

Okay. That the SEALs?

[James Arnett]

No, that's. I. I don't. I know who it is, but, like, the classified. My dad is the one that was in that task force, and if I say anything, like, my dad will kill me.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Because they'll track it back to.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

So I. I know who it was. And ended up being a couple of other. It was.

[Tyler]

It's soft, though.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, it's black soft.

[Tyler]

Oh, black soft.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

So if it's not the Navy.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, it's not the Navy.

[Tyler]

Okay. Okay.

[James Arnett]

Okay. So it was red. It was red. That's what I'm gonna say. So my dad was attached to Green. He was attached to. He was at what was what they call an Augment. Okay. And so he worked for whoever the strike force was. So before I deployed, when I knew where I was going, I got kind of, like, pulled aside and was like, hey, this is where you're going. And I was like, well, we don't even know where we're going. And they're like, no, this is where you're going. Like, okay, tight. Here's everything you need to know about this place, because you're going to go in there. I'm like, okay. So they kind of brought me up to speed. And this is while I was home on leave prior to deployment.

[Tyler]

Okay, right.

[James Arnett]

So, you know, you go on leave before you go on deployment. So I had learned a lot about what was going on in Solder City. There had been a big gunfight with the task force, and they killed, like, 60 bad guys. No American casualties at all, but it was on the news, and it had broken a bunch of, like, things.

[Ethan]

So anyway, Mr. Queen.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah, look, man, we do got a hit. Super chat, so.

[James Arnett]

Oh, I'm so sorry, dude.

[Billy Queen]

No, you're good.

[Tyler]

Okay. I asked you. Yeah, here's the thing, too. We do get a lot of. I don't want to say grief or flack, but like. Like, regular military guys, like, you know, guys that were in conventional forces, you don't have any of them on. And, you know, it's. We have them on all the time. They're always. They're always in the crowd. They're always mic'd up. Yeah. You know, and they have some of the best stories. Conventional Dudes have some of that. We had a man. I cannot remember what unit he was in, but Ethan Nagel from. I forget what podcast, but he. He got a Silver Star just for pure bravery and a firefight in Afghanistan.

[James Arnett]

What rank was he?

[Tyler]

I wanted nothing.

[James Arnett]

Okay. Is it. So he got a Silver Star as a. As a conventional guy?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

He must have done something crazy.

[Tyler]

Oh, it's a story. Go watch it. I forget what. It's silver. Oh, Vet tv. Whichever way. He's a. He's a. He works for Vet tv.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah, those guys are. Those guys are great.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

A lot of nobodies are heroes of combat.

[James Arnett]

Okay? So, like, I know a lot of nobodies that are heroes, but this guy right here, they're no Tim Kennedy.

[Tyler]

Not one of them.

[James Arnett]

I. I was. Dude, I got to, like. I was like, bird's eye view to a lot of stuff that was just like, dude, if I. It blows your mind.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

And so the 82nd, they were. They ripped out. They're gone. That had been their battle space. And then we basically took it over, and then they started firing rockets into the green zone after 82nd left because they knew, like, hey, a new unit's here. They're still trying to figure this the fuck out. So they started firing rockets.

[Tyler]

And then.

[James Arnett]

The prime minister of Iraq, remember, these are. These are Shia guys. These are his constituents. These are the guys that got him elected. He has to basically let the dogs off the leash. They sent some Iraqi police and Iraqi army in there. The Iraqi police surrendered to the Mahdi army and changed sides.

[Tyler]

Oh, God. That.

[James Arnett]

That isn't. I mean, you can Google that. And so they said, okay, 4th ID, 25th ID you guys are going in there and you're gonna clean them out.

[Ethan]

And, well, the nobodies are the heart and soul of America, and that's what gets the job done.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's a very. The blue collar.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, let's get some super chats in.

[Drew]

All right, we got. Holy fook, says Drew, as a coffee connoisseur, what is the best method to make coffee? Drip espresso, pour over it, etc. What's the best way to make FRCC coffee? Well, let's see.

[Billy Queen]

Ho.

[Drew]

That's your first thing. Can I call you Ho? I'm not a coffee connoisseur. I mean, actually, right now I'm drinking a purple monster, but I do drink some coffee. And when I drink coffee, it's usually from a K cup because it's quick and easy. But the best coffee I've ever had was from an espresso. So espresso, I guess. Pretty good. What's the best way to make FRCC coffee?

[Billy Queen]

A lot.

[Drew]

And frequently. That's the best way to make FRCC coffee. Okay, Carl Spackler says. Tyler, did you ever read the book the Art of the Perfect Pat Down? It was written by a retired sheriff's deputy named Howie, edited by IP Freely. Thanks, Drew.

[Tyler]

I don't think I've read that. If I did, I read a lot of books in the academy.

[Drew]

It wasn't a book.

[Tyler]

It wasn't a book? No, the Perfect Pat Down.

[Drew]

I mean, maybe it was, but it wasn't written by Howie, I'll tell you that much. So, let's see. Casey Smith says, Drew, will there be a third Temple, or is it Jesus now? There will definitely be a third temple. If you read Ezekiel, chapter 40 and to the end of the book, that section is all about the Third Temple. And the description and the details are incredible longer than most New Testament books. So what a waste of pen if there's not a third Temple. He also asked, doesn't he say, I am the. I am the cornerstone? He is the cornerstone. Chief cornerstone, that is Ephesians, chapter two. He is the chief cornerstone of the building the spiritual temple, the church. But just because there's a spiritual temple, the church does not mean there won't be a physical third temple.

[James Arnett]

All right.

[Drew]

Surprise. Thumb for 10 bucks says. Let's talk about Officer Wagner in Lorraine, though.

[Tyler]

I saw that.

[James Arnett]

I saw that face of this podcast.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's what kind of reminded me, guys. Keeping me on my toes.

[Drew]

The answer, 06. God bless the NYPD. Thursday nights for the boys. Thank you. Answers 06. Brandon Bailey. $10. Thursday is my. Oh, we got hissing. I'm turning down the back mics. Brandon Bailey, 10 bucks. Thursday is my favorite night of the week. I get to eat steak with my girl and then hang out with the boys.

[Tyler]

Damn, that's a hell of a Thursday.

[James Arnett]

Steak sounds awesome, right?

[Drew]

Just walk in front of the camera. It's not a big deal. It's Thursday night.

[Tyler]

There it is. It's informal.

[Drew]

Show them tats. Looks good.

[Tyler]

You should have flexed when you walked by. He did all right.

[Drew]

Guinness in says an episode on Billy Lavin and Timothy Dumas working with the cartels and maybe stateside murder. I know Brent is touchy on the subject, understandably because of png, but it's super interesting.

[Tyler]

Is that the. Is that the Delta Forest Green Beret murder story? If I really was, it Billy Lavine.

[Drew]

Is, how you say?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Is it Lavine or lavine or lavine?

[Tyler]

I correct me if I'm wrong. I'm so sorry. There is a. There is a story about two friends. One with special Forces, the other one was Delta Force. And there was a struggle, there was drinking involved, and one guy had to, in self defense, kill another guy. And then the guy that survived was found dead in the woods of Fort Bragg sometime later. Very weird story if. If I'm remembering that correctly, if that's what you're referencing.

[James Arnett]

Everything, dude. When was that?

[Tyler]

I don't know. During the global war on terror.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, I was busy.

[Drew]

All right, Wesley Pruitt back in 200. Thank you, Wes. This guy pays our bills alone. In honor of Bill. In honor of Billy and his undercover gang work. My vote for outro is Judas Priest. Heading out to the highway.

[James Arnett]

I think that's a. That sounds awesome.

[Drew]

Heading out to the highway.

[Billy Queen]

Thank you.

[Drew]

And the last super chat that I have is from Guinness and 11. Tyler, do you have a cab or CIB?

[Tyler]

I was infantry, so I have a CIB when I got it when I was in Baghdad in 2008. So, yes, I do. It's probably the only award of merit that I have. Everything else is just.

[James Arnett]

I don't.

[Tyler]

Army awards that you.

[James Arnett]

I don't give a. About anything but my CIB Yeah.

[Tyler]

CIB And I have. My parachute is wings. That's the thing.

[James Arnett]

I. I have an eib and I. And they were like, oh, you can wear your EIB or your CIB and everybody had a CIB I was like, no.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So EIB is the expert infantry badge. Very hard to get. I never went for it, but I mean, it's what. It's a 12 mile ruck in three hours.

[James Arnett]

Yeah. So it's 12 miles, three hours with infantry standard.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

And then there's a bunch of lanes you're gonna go to. You're gonna go Land Ave. You're gonna do every weapon system.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You got to do a whole land. Of course.

[James Arnett]

You got to do land nav. You got to shoot expert. You got to shoot expert with your.

[Tyler]

In.

[James Arnett]

Every battalion is different.

[Tyler]

So my ERB Come in and host it.

[James Arnett]

No, no, no, no. EIB is hosted by the guys that have the EIP in your battalion.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[James Arnett]

So that. At least that's how it was in 25th. Okay. And. And I gotta believe it's the same over there in, you know, maroon beret land. So your. Your graders are the same guys that hat they have EIBs there, but they're in your unit. So you got to go do your land nav. Course you got to do. You got to shoot expert with the M4. You got to do a 12 mile road march with a ruck and flack and Kevlar in under three hours. And then you got to go through the. You know, hand grenades kills everybody, anybody that's done. EIB hand grenades kills everybody because they draw a little circle with engineer tape and you got to get it in and. Yeah, so. Sorry. Nobody cares.

[Tyler]

Yeah, go ahead. No, you're good for one.

[Ethan]

We have an American badass sitting in front of us, so we need to ask some questions. One thing is, how far can you go legally in undercover? Like, can you be a part of a murder? Can you be a part of drug deals without getting arrested or getting charged? And the other thing is, have you ever became, like, true friends with people that you've been undercover? Like, you're like, thinking like, this dude's a badass. I really enjoy this guy. I want to spend time with him outside of this, and I hope we connect after.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know, that's a really interesting question. And I want everybody to know that if you follow the directives, if you follow policy and procedure, you're not gonna make it. You know, the bad guy's gonna see right through you. If you're not willing to be just.

[Ethan]

Like them, any hesitation, they know you.

[Billy Queen]

Forget it, because they've been in the business for a long time. And if. If they're out there beating people up and you're not, you're going to answer to them after the beating's over with. Hey, what's your problem? Who you working for, the cops? You're a brother or what, you know, and you're not going to want to. You're not going to have to answer those questions because you could be the next one they're going to be beaten on.

[Tyler]

So you have you. What. What have you. Are you allowed to say what you've done? Had to do.

[Billy Queen]

I've been a part of, I'll tell you this, that I went to the United States Attorney's office early on in the investigation. I said, these people are beaten people, the Robin people, they're selling dope, they're doing all this stuff. Give me. Give me some direction. Tell me what I'm supposed to do, what I can't do, what I can't do. And they were just going, nana. And so I made my own line in the sand. Answer that question. I was the Only thing I wasn't going to do was kill somebody with a club. And I wasn't going to rape women. And so you can use your imagination. I did everything else that came up. Yes, I help. When it came to beating people up and stuff, I was beating them up, too. And I answered for it in court. And I was accused of assault. When in court, and I would answer like this, had I not been involved in that and that assault, these guys would have killed them.

[Tyler]

Really.

[Billy Queen]

And it was immediately, object, object, object. And they did that several times because I was involved in beatings all the time. In that two plus years, when it comes to hauling the dope and stuff, I haul the dope. I went to the United States Attorney's office. They said, you become the best witness that you can be and you let us know. You participate in criminal activity like that, you let us know right away what you did. And that's what I did.

[Ethan]

So I get pulled over, they'd let you go with the.

[Billy Queen]

No, they wouldn't let me go. Hell no.

[Ethan]

Police wouldn't?

[Billy Queen]

No.

[Ethan]

So you can't even tell.

[Billy Queen]

You can't. You can't tell anybody.

[Ethan]

Jail.

[Billy Queen]

You're gonna. You're gonna go. You're gonna hook you just like you. They hook everybody else. So I sat on the side of the road. Look, I'm gonna tell you, it was an eye opener because I saw what it was like being a gangster. I mean, you don't put on those colors without suffering the repercussions for everywhere you go.

[Ethan]

Did you ever sit in jail for stuff?

[Billy Queen]

Hey, I've been hooked. I was hooked three, four times.

[Ethan]

You can't even speak to those.

[Tyler]

No.

[Ethan]

You know, like, hey, guys.

[Billy Queen]

No, no.

[James Arnett]

What did they tell you when you went undercover? Like, hey, this is what. You can't do this. What you can't do.

[Billy Queen]

No. Nobody. No.

[Tyler]

Well, they want the best results with no liability.

[Billy Queen]

This is like a first.

[James Arnett]

There it is.

[Billy Queen]

You know, the only person that ever really done anything like this was Joe Piston.

[James Arnett]

Wait, wait. Let's. Let's. Let's go back a second. So. So we got Joe Pistone.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

And then we got you.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

We got Donnie Brasco.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

And then there's you.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

So there's no fucking book on this.

[Billy Queen]

There's no book. There's no book. We had. We had no idea. And they use what happened after my investigation to go forward, but everything that we did was new.

[Ethan]

You were a guinea pig.

[Billy Queen]

That's it. That's it. And. And like I said, you can use Your imagination. The only thing that I wouldn't do is kill for the club. Did you ever go, we're good. Partake in raping women?

[James Arnett]

Did you. Did you ever have your talk to Joe Piston?

[Billy Queen]

Joe's a personal friend of mine.

[Tyler]

We.

[Billy Queen]

We speak all over the United States.

[James Arnett]

Holy smokes.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Hey, man, I'm learning this for the first time. So, like, I'm. I mean, like. I mean, like, did you guys, like, trade notes? Like, hey, man, this is what I did. This is what.

[Billy Queen]

And now Joe did his way before I did. I did mine. But we. We literally speak together. I was with Joe not too long ago, California, and nobody. And there's been a lot of great operations out there, undercover operation. But nobody has done anything like Joe Pistone. Nobody's done anything like Billy Queen. Now, you talk about Jay Dobbins. Jay Dobbins, you know, he did good. He put his ass on the line. Jay was out there with several other undercover guys from ATF and a confidential informant. The big difference was, I was out there by myself. I was out there alone, and there was no backup most of the time.

[James Arnett]

Is it. Is it better to be alone?

[Tyler]

No, it's got to be scary. That's gotta be telling me earlier, offline, you know, there was times where they didn't know where you were. Now, granted, there's no cell phones, then.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. No, I call up ATF and say, look, I'm gonna go up, I'm gonna drink a couple of beers with the bad guys and stuff, and I'm gonna go home.

[Ethan]

Did you always have police close by, or.

[Billy Queen]

No, no, no. I was there alone. I'd go up and I drink a couple of beers, and then all of a sudden, a dozen Mongols come in and say, hey, we're going to take off and we're going here. What do you do? Tell them, hey, no, I can't contact my guys.

[Tyler]

I gotta hit the pay phone real quick.

[James Arnett]

I gotta call the wife real quick. I gotta do that.

[Billy Queen]

You get on that motorcycle with them and you ride off and. And atf, my cover agent, they wake up and, hey, where's Billy? Billy's gone. They didn't know where I was, and that was alarming to them. That scared the crap out of them.

[James Arnett]

So you'd rather have somebody?

[Billy Queen]

In a lot of situations, I like to know that there's going to be somebody out there if I got to be saved. But most of the time, that just didn't happen. The cops out here, they know if you conduct an undercover operation, they're Going to control everything. They're going to control where it's going to be. They're going to have backup teams out there. They're going to have communications. But in this situation, you're rolling with the flood.

[Ethan]

That would be more liability to you if they.

[Billy Queen]

But.

[James Arnett]

But what?

[Ethan]

They're close.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. And several times. Yeah.

[Ethan]

But, hey, why is there always a copier when Billy.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. And scare the out of me. Right.

[Tyler]

But.

[James Arnett]

But I mean, doesn't that allow for a little bit more flexibility in what.

[Billy Queen]

You'Re doing being out there alone? Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah.

[Ethan]

Did you make any money?

[Billy Queen]

I'm going to tell you this story. One of the things that the Mongols used to do is the. I'm gonna call them slum lords up in Tahunga area. If they wanted to get somebody out of their house, hell, it'd take them six months to a year to get them out legally. Well, they would come to the Mongols and say, hey, we'll give you $50 each, come up here and get these people out of our house. And we get on our motorcycles and ride up into the neighborhoods. Chap the president, he go up to the door, boom, boom, boom, boom. Knock on the door. And we'd be sitting out in the front yard. And the chapter president, he reads him the ride. Act said, if I come back here in the morning and you're here, we're gonna throw you out, you, your kids, everybody. If I find you here in the morning, you're gone.

[Tyler]

I feel we're gonna take care of it. We could use that. Nowadays, I'm just sitting here thinking like, like.

[James Arnett]

Like the way things go, just.

[Tyler]

Just trade the cuts for some polos.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Tyler]

A little bit less cuss words and more professionalism, but, I mean, the cops can't do it.

[Billy Queen]

But, you know, to answer that question about do you ever make money? Well, they pay me 50 bucks, and I. I had the 50 bucks and I was thinking, now what the hell am I going to do with this? You know, I give it somebody else, hey, buy me some beers later on.

[James Arnett]

You know, my. I think. I think kind of what he's asking is that, like, did you ever have, like, a hustle? Did you ever have something where you were. You're earning for the club?

[Billy Queen]

No. Now. And the club was earning money all the time selling dope and guns and stuff, you know, but I certainly wasn't making any money. The big difference between the Mongols and the Hell's Angels is Hell's Angels had some Business sense. They made all kinds of money. Well, the. The Mongols made all kinds of money, too, but they blow it on attorneys. They're blowing on getting their buddies out of jail and.

[Ethan]

Yeah, that's a good point. Anybody in the Mongols that only went to the higher up, nobody else made money doing any of the stuff.

[Billy Queen]

Well, yeah, guys were making money. There was some serious cocaine dealers that were in there then that was making a lot of money.

[James Arnett]

Well, like, I listened to, like, Michael Francis. Right. You know, Michael Francis is. No, Michael Francis was a capo for the. Somebody, correct me, he was a Colombo guy. I think he. He ran into Joe Pistone a couple of times, and his whole thing was like, hey, you got to be earning. You got to be earning money all the time. But that's a. That's a, you know, mob guy shit. So it's not the same way with the. The clubs.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. But now a lot of that pissed on business was set up by the Feds. So he wasn't actually out there making money himself off of other bad guys that were in the business. He was in the diamond business.

[James Arnett]

Right, right, right.

[Billy Queen]

And now I had to sit down, talk with John. I've talked with him a lot, and a lot of things. I didn't ask him about one of them things. You just putting money in your pocket. Yeah, I know Joe Piston. He's not going to do that.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, you gotta. I don't know.

[Tyler]

I'm.

[James Arnett]

I've never been a cop, so, like, you know, you gotta say something to somebody, right? Like somebody's watching you.

[Billy Queen]

Story together.

[James Arnett]

Okay?

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. You better have your story together.

[James Arnett]

Hey, Hey. A hundred thousand dollars are sending in my account. I got a story.

[Billy Queen]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Well, hey, we. We laugh, but I'm telling you, one slip up could be a bullet through your head. One slip up could mean a bullet through your head. And let me say this. Every day that I was in there, when I got up, that was going through my head, don't fuck up or you'll be dead today. Simple as that. Joe Piston lived the same way, but there's been multiple guys out there that have had to do that.

[James Arnett]

But no, no oversight at all. Like.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know, I try to. You want me to tell it just like it is?

[Tyler]

Do it.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

All right. I'm out with the Mongols. One day, the Mongols bring in a bunch of women, and they had a flatbed wagon. And these, these women that they bring in, they're going to dance nude for everybody. Well, they're going to do everything that any mongol wants them to do. So there's a crowd of mongols out here. The women up on the stage, they're all nude, and it's Domingo and rancid. They. They whistle for this one girl. Come over here. And Domingo pulls out a $5.

[James Arnett]

Her name is rancid.

[Billy Queen]

Rancid. They. They hand this girl $5 and they say, I want you to sit on my buddy's face. So rancid and Domingo, they pick me up, throw me up on the stage and said, I'm laying on my back, and this woman comes over down on my face, and I'm gonna tell it like it is. I ain't sugarcoating it. Her smell like a damn budweiser beer.

[James Arnett]

You're lucky that's what it smelled like.

[Billy Queen]

She's sitting on. She's sitting on all these other guys faces, and they're blowing budweiser.

[James Arnett]

Well, at least it's disinfected, bro.

[Tyler]

Alcohol kills the jerk.

[Billy Queen]

Well, I jumped off the stage and I'm thinking to myself, how the hell am I gonna write this up in a federal report, you know?

[Tyler]

Holy moly. Yeah, yeah.

[James Arnett]

What. What does that look like? Can you get. Can you give us that?

[Billy Queen]

Can you.

[James Arnett]

Can you tell me how you would write that?

[Tyler]

I've never been undercover a day in my life, so we've outset probably left out the budweiser. You say things like, I made physical contact with the subject. I lasted anywhere between one to three seconds. I went and got a penicillin shot.

[Billy Queen]

If you wanted me to sugarcoat it, I'm sorry.

[James Arnett]

No, man.

[Tyler]

Do not.

[James Arnett]

No, no, no, no.

[Billy Queen]

That's.

[James Arnett]

That dude. You can probably clip that.

[Tyler]

We do have to do our. What we're gonna do right now is we're do our patreon giveaway. So our patreon giveaway this week is a mixture of oils. It is. First off, it's semper suave beard oil. Sorry, ladies. I know the two or three patreon ladies aren't going to benefit from any of this, but my wife will die. 99.7 dudes. Semper suave beard oil and semper suave beer pomade. Shut the up magnet. I do this. I put it in my beard every morning. Brent uses it magnet things because it's not a foot long.

[James Arnett]

Brent's beard is luscious. Dude. I always tell Brett he looks like.

[Tyler]

At the end of the day, he looks like Saddam hussein.

[James Arnett]

Dude. Like, you're ready to play Osama bin laden.

[Tyler]

And then the original gun oil company sent Us a bunch of stuff to give away. So we're giving away gun oil and beard oil again. This is a dude package for sure. Yeah, I got you. So what I want you to do, Billy, is tap this number right here. 19. Okay? Then we go to our. Our sign up sheet From Patreon. In 19 is David Gage out of Apopka, Florida. Pick it up, bro.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, man, I'm down here. I. I drove from Clearwater. Dude, you can get here.

[Tyler]

So, yeah, David Gage, you are the winner. And I will send the stuff out to you. It's usually turnaround of like two weeks. You'll get it. So I'm the worst at mailing out Patreon, but I will get better and I will get it to you. So thank you guys again. And I'll announce the Patreon gift giveaway in a couple of days. And let's roll the final sponsors.

[Drew]

All right, well, one video might work, one might not.

[Billy Queen]

I don't know.

[Drew]

We'll see. Here we. Hey guys.

[James Arnett]

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[Drew]

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[Tyler]

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[James Arnett]

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[Tyler]

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[James Arnett]

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[Tyler]

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[James Arnett]

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[Tyler]

I don't even do it.

[James Arnett]

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[Billy Queen]

I use my brother.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

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[James Arnett]

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[Tyler]

And I'm waiting for him and he talks a lot about this Brotherhood Blades commercial.

[Drew]

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[James Arnett]

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[Tyler]

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[James Arnett]

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[Tyler]

Oh, we're back.

[James Arnett]

Okay, we're back. Oh, and we're back with Billy. Billy Queen. Okay, Tyler will be back in a second. So. Okay, so let, let's. Let's kind of go through it. All right, so you, you. You've got the stripper sitting on your face, right? You've gone through that, right? So, so what do you.

[Billy Queen]

How do you.

[James Arnett]

How do you really top that? Like what stories do you have to top that?

[Billy Queen]

Oh, God. You. You haven't hung out with the outlaw bikers, buddy. I mean, that's.

[James Arnett]

I. Look, man, I've hung out with outlaw bikers, but I don't have your stories and I didn't do it when you did it, so I would much rather hear yours. Doesn't matter what I did.

[Billy Queen]

Well, I, you know, I'll tell you that I never knew what was coming day to day. Yeah. Never knew you make all the plans you want to make. But I'd be sitting there at my house thinking this, this day is all over with and within an hour I'm actually sewing women up that been beat up so much. Jesus. I'll be. I. I got phone calls in the middle of the night. Get your car, get over here. Bring your gun. Leave your colors at home. Found out a way to get my damn bike back. We're going to kill this guy.

[James Arnett]

So. So. So you were a cager too?

[Tyler]

Or.

[James Arnett]

Or were you just. You just had a car also, you know, that's interesting.

[Billy Queen]

You call that occasion.

[James Arnett]

Stuff.

[Tyler]

He's on Google about 10 minutes ago.

[James Arnett]

Absolutely, bro.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yep, yep.

[James Arnett]

Like, let me, Let me just go through Jay Dobbins book real quick. There it is.

[Billy Queen]

You know, most people have a cage because. Yeah. Sooner or later they're going to need something to pick up their stolen motorcycle parts or something.

[James Arnett]

Absolutely.

[Billy Queen]

Just about everybody's got one, right? So. Yeah. And interesting, that car that I drove was shot full of holes on another undercover operation.

[James Arnett]

Did you.

[Tyler]

Didn't ask any questions.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Did you just.

[Tyler]

What did they say?

[James Arnett]

What was the story?

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know what? SRT was going in to take down an operation What's.

[James Arnett]

What's srt?

[Billy Queen]

Special response team, ATF and I, for the viewers.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Billy Queen]

Subterranean garage. It's all. It's all just concrete. And there's two bad guys standing at the back of their car. It's a. It's a gun deal. And they're waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. And finally SRT says, you know what? The next time that gate comes open, we're going in, and we're taking this thing down. Well, the gate did come open. Atf SRT runs in down in there. The bad guys see him coming. They reach in the trunk of the. The car. First guy comes up with a Mac 10, full auto, opens up. He gets the first round off, shoots the first ATF Asia, blows them off his feet.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[James Arnett]

Lucky shot.

[Billy Queen]

With that, the next shot from ATF hits the magazine on the Mac. Boom. The bullets fall out of the Mac onto the floor. Everybody is opening up on the bad guys and stuff. The bad guy that shot the first ATF agent, he's trying to shoot. And, you know, there's so much noise. Bullets are flying everywhere. And this guy's out there doing this, but he ain't shooting. The bullets are all gone. But ATF doesn't know that bullet. I mean, so much noise going on. And they shot him 30, 31 times. I believe it hit 31 entry wounds.

[James Arnett]

But how did the car get hit? And how did you tell the Mongols.

[Billy Queen]

How it got shot? ATF shot the car up. Is that so? When I got the car to use undercover, I'm out there with body putty, and I'm body putty in the holes up on the car. Well, one of the bullets hit the back where he put the key into the trunk. It knocked it out, but you should still get in the trunk. You still have the electrical thing that worked from the glove compartment.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Billy Queen]

And you could open it. And that turned out to be a problem a little bit later on. But I bond over. Over all the bullet holes and stuff, except for the one in the very back right there. And. And I just told the models, you know, hey, man, people bang the car up to beat the car up. And so without all the holes in and stuff, I bondo'd up so there wouldn't be any questions about that. But later on, I couldn't get in. I mean, I could get in the trunk. And, you know, if you know this, you don't put your colors on.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

In the trunk. You don't. You don't ride around in the cage.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Take your colors off. Fold them up and put them in the trunk. I got stopped by the cops one night and I got like two bullets.

[James Arnett]

Underneath my seat like, like this loose ammo.

[Billy Queen]

I don't know how they got under there. I had two 9 millimeter bullets. And they stop us and we don't have. I don't have colors on. And, you know, I got a shitty looking beard. You know, I look, I seen the pictures.

[James Arnett]

You look like Gandalf.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, I got rancid with me, man. And these cops are just all over me. I don't. They're looking under the car and they found the two bullets. Well, they know there's a gun in there somewhere, so they're tearing the car apart. Well, there's a. There's a, a. It's hardwired. And they're looking and looking. Look at. I gotta back up. Ranch is drunk on his ass.

[Tyler]

I was gonna say, I could see.

[James Arnett]

You like looking at me. You're like, I do.

[Billy Queen]

No, not me. Ranch is drunk on his ass and he's giving the cops hell. You, you son. What's your name? You. I ain't telling my name. And I'm like, God damn Rancid. I don't want to go to jail. I don't want to go back to jail. They got rancid out of the car in the back. They pull me out of the car and they put me in a black and white. They put Rancid in black and white behind them. And I'm watching the guys going through the car. And so they're digging up underneath the seat. You know, they're coming. How'd I get in the trunk? How do you open a truck? I'm saying, look, I can't open the trunk. The lock's bad.

[Tyler]

Do you know how many times as a cop I have to ask somebody? I'm gonna search a trunk. Can you. Can you show me how to open it?

[Billy Queen]

So there's several cop cars that come, and finally some young cop comes and he. He hits the glove compartment, the little switch, and it doesn't open it, but he reaches over and turns the switch on to the car. He hits it.

[Tyler]

Boom.

[Billy Queen]

Trump opens up and there's Mongol. Shit.

[James Arnett]

Never opened before. Now it opens.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. So it's like, oh, I'm going to jail. You know, we. Put your hands up. You know, I'm on top of you. You got anything on you I shouldn't know? And as soon as he said that, I thought, son of a. I got a damn switchblade in my pocket. You Know, I know I'm gonna go to jail for it, you know.

[Tyler]

A switchblade.

[Billy Queen]

A switchblade. I'm counting illegal.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, man. We still live in Freedomtown, Florida.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, yeah. So I'll reached in my pocket when the rancid's giving them hell and they're all looking at rancid, I pull that switchblade out and I threw the switchblade just in time for one of them to come and watch it go.

[James Arnett]

Nowadays, it's on the body cam.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, yeah, they picked it up. I'm like, okay, I'm going to jail. All right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

And Ranch is just giving them man ranches. Shut the up, man. I don't want to go to jail. Ranch is like, I got my buddies in jail, man. I don't have to worry about where I'm gonna sleep tonight, sleep tomorrow. I got three meals coming. That Branson. I got a job I gotta go to. Shut the up, you know?

[Ethan]

And how many times have you been arrested? It on the Mongols dealing with the mon.

[Billy Queen]

Oh, man, I got. I got tossed. I don't know how many times I. I got tossed. And. And listen, I saw the worst of cops and I saw the best of cops out there. Like on that situation. If I would have been one of them cops out there, I'd have kicked Rance's ass and my ass.

[James Arnett]

Like you're catching an ass whooping just for gp, right?

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, Just for being with that stupid son of this, you know. But the worst had cops stick guns in my face and threaten to blow me off my motorcycle because of an incident. That cop organization called the Choir boys in West Covina, just outside of la. They got into it with the Mongols and they lost. Mongols kicked the damn cops ass. Took their colors from them, Throw them out of the. Out of the sports bar in West Covina. They went back, and they were El Monte cops. They went back to the El Monte PD and they said, the next Mongol you see, you his ass up. Next Mongol you see, you write his ass up, you seize his motorcycle, you do all this shit to him. Well, who do you think the next Mongol they saw rolling through El Monte? And I'm. I come to a stoplight and I could hear my helmet blow over my motorcycle rolling. I could hear. And I was looking like, who the hell is that? You son of a. You know, I was looking, who the hell. And there's a black and white behind me, and this cop leaned his head out the window screaming at me. And I was like, God, what the hell is this problem light turned green. I took off. Well, I'm looking in my mirror, he's almost touching the damn fender on the back of my car. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? So I pulled over in the next lane, you know, he pulls up next to me, he's screaming, get the fuck out of my town, you piece of shit. You motherfucker, you get that shit out of my town. And this went on for blocks. And finally I looked over, him and his partner had his guns out. Now they're pointing their guns at me. You see this? You, you get the out of town. I'm gonna blow your ass off that motorcycle. If it hadn't have been. If that would have been midnight and there was no one around, those would have shot me. And I was so mad, I thought, she's. I'm gonna ride to the El Monte Police Department. You get those son of a. In here. But I had a beer down here. I got Mongol on everywhere. I knew they weren't going to do.

[James Arnett]

And, and you're not, you're not talking to local PD about what you're doing.

[Billy Queen]

Nobody knew. I'm gonna, There was very few people in ATF that knew what was going on. And I, I told atf. You're gonna limit the people that know that we're doing this. And you're not telling anybody else. You're not bringing anybody else into this.

[James Arnett]

I mean, that makes sense to me. Yeah, that makes it. We gotta, but we gotta paint that picture, man. You know, like they, People got to know, like, local PD don't know what you're doing. Sheriff's department don't know what you're doing. They can't.

[Billy Queen]

No.

[James Arnett]

Because you don't know who they know.

[Billy Queen]

Most of ATF didn't know. They knew Billy Queen disappeared. And I, when that happened, when I agreed to do it, I didn't go back to the, to the ATF office anymore. I didn't see my family anymore. I didn't see my neighbors anymore. I was completely separated for my real life.

[James Arnett]

How old?

[Ethan]

Change your name.

[James Arnett]

Hold on.

[Billy Queen]

I was in my early 40s.

[James Arnett]

You were in your early 40s?

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

What kind of dude were you in your early 40s? Because you're, you're a pretty straight laced dude now. Like, what, what kind of dude were you? No, no, no, no, no. I, I, I know he was. I want to hear him tell it.

[Billy Queen]

I mean, you know, don't show me. I, I did what I had to do.

[James Arnett]

So were you, Were you pretty aggressive?

[Ethan]

Can I Buy that book.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Where can we get your book?

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, See what we could do for you on that. Fighting was entertainment to the outlaw bikers. Fighting was more than entertainment to the monkeys. If somebody wasn't getting beat up, it was just drinking beer. You know, they wanted to see somebody getting their ass kicked.

[James Arnett]

Sounds like an.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, yeah. So.

[Ethan]

Where can we get the book from?

[Billy Queen]

You probably get that one.

[James Arnett]

Is it on Amazon?

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, you can get the book anywhere. You can get it from. From Amazon.

[James Arnett]

You got an audio book yet?

[Billy Queen]

Audio's out there.

[James Arnett]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Do you narrate it?

[Billy Queen]

Pardon me?

[Tyler]

Do you narrate the book? Isn't. Is it reading Hard a book? I couldn't narrate it.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you read a lot better than I do.

[James Arnett]

I don't know about that.

[Ethan]

I don't read, but I will read that.

[Tyler]

I, I, that's a great book. That's one of the.

[James Arnett]

I.

[Tyler]

Great book.

[James Arnett]

I love reading about the mob and outlaw biker clubs.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Like, as just.

[Tyler]

It's so interesting to me, because outlaw biker clubs, I could be wrong, but it seems like those guys, correct me if I'm wrong, commit way less crimes than other gangs. But we are so focused on them as a society. Not necessarily negativity, but we're just like, we're locked onto these guys. And I think it's because they fly colors instead. They're like a football team.

[Billy Queen]

But.

[James Arnett]

But it's also Americana, Right. I mean, motorcycles. I mean, like the Hell's Angels, right? The Hell's Angels started from post World War II. Post World War II.

[Tyler]

Right.

[James Arnett]

Guys that flew bomber planes. And now they're like adrenaline. Yeah. You know, like they're vets, a lot of them.

[Tyler]

Well, and then the Mongols started. Correct me if I'm wrong, Billy, but it was because the out the Hells Angels had strict rules about getting in.

[Billy Queen]

Well, they really started because they needed a club. They were mostly Latinos out of Southern.

[James Arnett]

California, but they named themselves after Asians.

[Ethan]

So how did you get.

[Billy Queen]

They were Vietnam vents.

[Tyler]

Oh, so they're post Viet Mongols.

[Billy Queen]

Post Vietnam Mongols started in the 70s.

[James Arnett]

Okay, that's crazy.

[Billy Queen]

I didn't know that.

[Tyler]

And then the war for California turf was the big one, right?

[Billy Queen]

The Hell's Angels. Every state that the Hells Angels were in, they claimed that state is theirs. And the only person that could run a state patch was the Hells Angels. Until the Mongols came along. And the Mongols, being a bunch of Vietnam veterans and stuff, told me so they would knuckle up, kiss my ass. So they would knuckle and they went to war. They went to war for 17 years.

[Tyler]

My favorite. So. And when I was in. You know, when I was in Baghdad, I had a portable D. Oh, no. I had a laptop and I could play DVDs. And I went to the Hajimart and I bought the whole series of Gangland.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gangland was the.

[Ethan]

Are you in any of that? Yeah, the gangland.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

When I came back from Iraq, that's when Hells or Sons of Anarchy had just started.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So I remember I watched. I would watch some of the more prominent street gangs in the. Out of Chicago. But I love the biker. I mean, the whole Mongols. I want to believe it was mid 2000. Their recruitment was insane when they. What I read was. And watched was that the Mongols wanted to compete with numbers with the Hell's Angels. So they started recruiting Hispanic street thugs and giving them colors even if they didn't ride. And then La Ma came in and said, you know, we own these guys, so now you owe us.

[Billy Queen]

You know, you're hitting pretty close to it.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Billy Queen]

What happened was the big melee out in Laughlin, the body where the. Where the guys got killed, and they knew there was going to be an open war.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Billy Queen]

So Doc Cavazos, who was president of the Mongols at that time, and he was a street thug, he ran with the avenues out in Los Angeles, and he went back to the streets and started recruiting the gangsters.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Billy Queen]

And that hurt the Mongols bad. That hurt the Mongols because it brought in the Mexican Mafia.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Billy Queen]

Those guys thought they could go back on the street and sell dope and not have to pay a tax to the Mexican Mafia. Well, that wasn't going to happen. Mexican Mafia and the. And the Mongols went to war with each other.

[James Arnett]

So. So hold on. Let me. Let me ask a question here. So when we're talking about the Mexican Mafia, we're talking about the. Are we talking about the cartels as the same guys?

[Billy Queen]

No, we're talking about lime. The cartels now run the drug business, and it was multiple people that was running the drug business back then. But the Mexican Mafia, you were going to. You were going to be taxed by the Mexican Mafia, and you're taxed today by the Mexican Mafia if you run a dope. Because all the dope's coming from south of the border now. So the drug cartels control that part of it. But when it reaches here, de los Estados Unidos is the Mexican Mafia, you're going to be paying a tax from North Carolina to The streets of Los Angeles, they're answering it. Except now let me clear it up. You got this. Serenos and nortenhos. Nortes don't answer to the Mexican mafia. The serenos do. But the serenos are much bigger. 18th street, and you name it, they're much bigger than nortegnos. Nartanos don't play with the Mexican mafia, but they play. They pay with their lives for that too. So anywhere in the United States, if you see this sir, 13. Or you might see something else. 13. 13 stands for the third 13th letter of the Alphabet. M stand for MA. Mexican Mafia. You see those around your city is Serenio's gangsters. But they're answering to the Mexican mafia.

[Tyler]

All right, let's hit some super chats real quick. I know we grabbed. Couple came in.

[Drew]

Jacob Schneider Says Task Force 17 was CAG DEV, 24th and SAS public knowledge now.

[Tyler]

By the way, we have. We have people that listen to us. That even Brent's like, I didn't even know that.

[James Arnett]

Listen, listen. The only thing that I care about is that my dad can look at me and go, you didn't say yeah because my dad will kill me.

[Tyler]

Yeah. These guys know a lot.

[Drew]

Mark's 20 bucks says special agent Queen is an law enforcement legend to this retired law enforcement sergeant and is a bad arse's badass cop.

[Tyler]

Nice.

[Billy Queen]

Thanks for saying that.

[Drew]

You are, though unlisted. Is that a Mongols MC cut?

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

So one of y', alls. Is it talking about.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, he's talking about that cut.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So, I mean, Billy brought his cut that he wore in, and I mean, I'll show it again.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, for sure, dude. That's so awesome.

[Tyler]

But I mean, he wore this for two years, two months, and, man, look at this thing.

[Billy Queen]

That's solid.

[Tyler]

I mean, it still looks good, too.

[James Arnett]

You can wear it today, man. Fly them colors.

[Drew]

40 years.

[James Arnett]

Probably could die, but.

[Drew]

Things almost as old as us.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Is there any way to take timeout?

[Drew]

Absolutely.

[Billy Queen]

Can you shut everything down? Yeah, shut.

[Drew]

Well, we won't shut it down.

[Billy Queen]

You're going to get in trouble.

[Drew]

No, no, I can't shut it down.

[Tyler]

Can't shut it down.

[Drew]

But you can get up and.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ethan]

No more with that.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, yeah. We'll have to talk about that offline, dude. I can.

[Billy Queen]

I can mute it real quick if you can mute.

[Drew]

All right, here we go.

[Tyler]

Y' all.

[Billy Queen]

Sa.

[James Arnett]

And we're back because we heard that we can relive.

[Drew]

Got a lot of deaf people watching the show.

[James Arnett]

Well, all right.

[Drew]

Other super chats here. Says dude duder always like saying his name. Would you rather have your son be terrible at every sport or your son have zero mechanical skills? For example, can't hit a hammer with a nail.

[James Arnett]

I would rather him suck. I, I got a, I got a 14 year old son.

[Tyler]

It's hard, man, because I suck at mechanical skills.

[James Arnett]

Sports, you don't need it. I would rather my son hate sports and be able to run a drill and fix his house, man.

[Tyler]

I'm not, I'm not mechanically inclined and I made it. You make friends with people. I mean, magnet, anything I need done around here, I'm like, hey man, could you stop by the shop?

[Billy Queen]

That's it. That's all.

[Drew]

That's all the super chats we got right now.

[Tyler]

Nice. All right, so going back to, you know, and we'll end some with some Mongols history, the Doc Cavasso stuff because he became pretty savvy as far as his speaking and his, the way he, he didn't portray himself as a gangster like when he was. Because how did he get into the Mongols?

[Billy Queen]

Well, yeah, it wasn't a natural. He like he said he ran with the avenues before he got into the Mongols, but it was just. He did. He was in the motorcycles and he was in the Pico chapter and he ended up becoming president of the Pico chapter out there. He had the gift of gab, okay. And he was able to work his way up and he was able to bring people into the club. Pico chapter was the biggest chapter in the Mongols when I was there. And he really wanted to be president of the Mongols and it almost cost his a him. His life because the national president knew what he was doing, knew he was looking to take over the national president spot and they were going to do away with him. At that time, I had become the secretary treasury for the San Fernando Valley chapter and I was going to the national meetings when they were going to bring Doc Cavazos up and kill him.

[Tyler]

What?

[Billy Queen]

They were going to kill Doc Cavazos. And I stood up in that meeting, I said, wait a minute guys, wait a minute. You know, he's got a different opinion of you. We're not going to start killing each other because he had a different opinion. You know, there may be some people that want him to be the national president, but the greatest majority of Mongols out here don't want him as national president. And one thing led to another. And if you saw the, the videos of the fight out in Laughlin, is.

[James Arnett]

That the One that was in the casino.

[Tyler]

Yep. Flamingo something.

[Billy Queen]

You can see, Doc Cavasso Chicken out run.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's.

[James Arnett]

That's. That's the one that, like, really brought all the spotlight onto the outlaw biker clubs.

[Tyler]

Yeah. In that area.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, it did, because a lot of people got hurt. A lot of people got hurt out there. It took cops from everywhere. Shut that down. Like I said, three people killed inside, one killed outside. Besides all the other people that got shot and injured during that melee. But it was all on video.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, isn't there a video of like, you know, a Hell's angel just, you know, going to town with a wheel gun? Yeah, you know, just firing. Firing at some mongol in the. In the middle of the.

[Billy Queen]

You know, the story on that. And I might be wrong, but you can see him on video. Bam, bam, bam, bam. As far as I know, he never hit anybody.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, you know, I mean, did first.

[Billy Queen]

The mongol that died was stabbed to death. He wasn't shot. He was stabbed to death.

[Tyler]

That's awful, man. I don't care, dude, that, you know.

[James Arnett]

You know, so many guys. I mean, there were so many guys who are like, oh, I want a knife kill. I want a knife.

[Tyler]

That's awful. I would never imagine stabbing somebody.

[James Arnett]

I. I have a buddy that had to kill somebody with a knife in a house, and he has nightmares.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

Was that Iraq?

[James Arnett]

Yeah, it was Iraq.

[Billy Queen]

Let me know.

[Tyler]

It was his next door neighbor.

[Billy Queen]

Let me clear something up, please. I want everybody to know this, that you. If you decide to put on. Sorry. If you decide to put on a set of colors, biker colors, you're down for the club, you're down for whatever they want to do. If you think that you're going to play part time, you're not. If you're out and they decide that they're going to kill somebody, you're going to be killing them right along with them. If they're going to grab women and they're going to rape them, you're going to be right there grabbing them and raping them right along with. I want to make that absolutely clear. There's no such thing as part time. It's full time all the way. So when you put them on, you better be down for murder. You better be down for everything else. Stealing the motorcycles, running the dope, whatever it is. You. You will not say time out. But that's just to clear that up for him.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, I don't think anybody at this point has a. Is he okay?

[Tyler]

Are you okay?

[James Arnett]

No.

[Ethan]

Yeah, you know, I'm good.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Billy Queen]

Sorry.

[Tyler]

My bad. All right.

[Drew]

So I got a question real quick, Billy. If do you think that this position that. Do you think that it's needed any longer, this and for law enforcement or federal agent to work undercover like that in. In games today, or is it better for law enforcement to work from the outside of the organization so that an individual doesn't have to make that choice that you're talking about?

[Billy Queen]

Well, I'll say this about organizations that are violent out there. You're not gonna hurt unless you have somebody inside. You're gonna pick off people. One, two, here, three, four, like. And you're not gonna hurt them. You ain't gonna hurt them unless you get them from the inside and out. It could be traditional organized crime, like the Mafia, which very little of them left anymore, but outlaw biker gangs. He ain't gonna hurt them. Who's gonna testify against the. The Hell's Angels? Who's going to testify against the Mongols? They're not going to. You get somebody that's willing to step up, he's going to have to hide for the rest of his life. If he doesn't, they're going to kill him.

[James Arnett]

Well, what do you have to do?

[Billy Queen]

I hit, I ran, and I hid for years. Really, I absolutely. I lost my family. When I thought that this thing's going to be over with after two years, I said, I'm not going anymore. I felt it. I knew it was coming. My number was coming up. They were going to kill somebody in front of me. They won't kill me. And I went to ATF and said, I can't do it anymore after two years. But I'll tell you this. I thought. I really thought that my life was going to go back to normal. I really thought I was going to be an agent again. I really thought I was going to be a father again. I really thought I was going to live a normal life again. It never happened happened. The government. The government took my family and they moved them to Miami, Florida, and they put me in Plano, Texas.

[Ethan]

Do you still live looking behind your back?

[Billy Queen]

I still do. But I don't let them dictate how I'm going to live my life today. I'm not going to do that anymore. I did run, I did hide for years. But I just got to the point where I said, if they're going to come get me, they'll come get me. I'm not going to hide anymore. Well.

[James Arnett]

Well, at what point do you feel like, it's like, you know, I've heard other guys that got out of the mafia and other organized crime. Yeah. At what point do you feel like you're not really worth it anymore?

[Billy Queen]

That's an excellent question. Because I wouldn't be. If they. If they made the decision they were going to kill Billy Queen, the federal government will come down on them so hard that it would not be worth it to them. But I want to say this, that once the bad guys put their arms around you and they start telling you that they love you, you stand side by side with them and you fight against the Hell's Angels and shit. Do the things. When they. When they mean it, they put the arms around you. They say, I love you, Billy. They did. And I felt that love. Well, I'm going to tell you this. Lots of them can't get past that. You know, if you play cops and robbers, good guys, bad guys, shit, and the bad guys end up getting caught and going to jail. They don't look at you like the enemy. They look at you like the cops. But once they start putting their arms around you and say, I love you, they felt to them you're a brother to them, you're a rat to them. They can't get over it. Well, lots of them.

[James Arnett]

Well, I mean, I. I hate to. I hate to go this way, but, like, isn't that what every dude is looking for? Every dude I know is looking for a family, a. A group of bros. Yeah, that like. Like you and me.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we talked about that. The brotherhood. Yeah, different types of brothers. And Jay kind of broke it down a little bit and said, you know, out of every brotherhood, there's that 1% that are ride or die, whether it's your poker club or your, you know, your.

[James Arnett]

Your book club.

[Tyler]

Like, there's only 1% of every brotherhood. And. And I don't know if he was necessarily talking about the outlaw brotherhood, but we were. We were referencing law enforcement. And, you know, when you leave the job, there's. I mean, when you leave the job on good terms, like me, the. The tech, stop coming in, you're off the squad chat. You know, you're off this.

[James Arnett]

You're out of the signal.

[Tyler]

You have a couple guys that you. You actually organically were friends with, and they'll reach out and just shoot the shit with you like nothing happened. If you leave the job on bad terms, you know, you're done. Everybody, all these brothers, you know, whether it be a bad call on your part, a bad call on.

[James Arnett]

He can be judged on 30 seconds.

[Tyler]

You know, you didn't do anything wrong, but you were terminated for it because of a use of force.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You know, you could have made a mistake and up and. And. And made a mistake, and you got fired for it. Like a. Like a. Like a decision you made, and it was bad, and you got fired for it. Very rarely will people reach out to you and be like, hey, man, I. I don't. I don't care that you're not a cop. I was. I was your friend. I was your brother. And I try to do that with any cop that I know that was terminated rightfully, wrongfully. You know, I let them know, like, hey, man, I don't pass judgment, dude. You know, it was.

[James Arnett]

I wasn't there.

[Tyler]

I wasn't there. And, you know, we're brothers, so.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know, you're soldiers. Yeah. You know how it feels. You talk about people that you served with. There's a brotherhood there. But I'm the guys that I serve with in Vietnam. You're always going to have that feeling that you got from being in combat with somebody. You're never going to forget that. You're never going to forget them. They're going to hold a special place in your heart. Well, look, when it comes to the Mongols, it's the same damn thing, because they're standing side by side with each other and taken on the Hell's Angels or taking on the Green, or they're. And they're brothers, and they feel it. They. And they love each other, and they do.

[James Arnett]

And that's. I think that's what, you know, that's what got me into the army, you know, And I think that's what can pull people into stuff like this. I mean, is that fair? I think that's fair.

[Billy Queen]

Absolutely. You understand the brotherhood?

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah.

[Billy Queen]

You understand it. Well, it's the same there. Yeah. So they're. They're misguided, and they got twisted ideologies and stuff, but the brotherhood is still there. The love that they have for each other is there.

[James Arnett]

Well, and I mean. And I mean, I hate to say it this way, because I'm not trying to glorify any of it, but I mean, like, there's something good in that. There's. There's something that every dude is looking for. Every dude is looking for that.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Every single one.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And when you leave. When you leave something like military in wartime.

[James Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

You come home, a regular job just doesn't come, dude.

[James Arnett]

Like, when.

[Billy Queen]

And.

[James Arnett]

And this is kind of where I was Going. When I got out of the army and I went from like one day, like I was in all of those conversations to the next day I was like, it was gone. Did you have that same thing when the, when the investigation was over and all of those guys that you were putting away, There had to be some that was like, man, like, I don't get to talk to that dude anymore. I know, I know.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. The big, big thing was, is, is that you run into them, they're gonna kill you.

[Ethan]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

I mean, that's, that's fair.

[Drew]

It's like being friends with a tiger.

[Billy Queen]

When I, when I had to go back, I. I hit out in Texas. When I had to go back to Los Angeles where to testify against them, a SWAT team had to pick me up and take me in through back doors to go up and test.

[James Arnett]

And this was your friend, right? Like, this was a guy that was before all this. He was your friend the Mongols?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

I mean. Oh, yeah. Well, I went to testify against him before that.

[James Arnett]

Before that, he was your bro. You dap him up.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. Some are more.

[James Arnett]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Stand side by side, fight for him. Hell yeah. And I did.

[James Arnett]

But now you got to go with a SWAT team.

[Billy Queen]

Now I got to go in with a SWAT team. Keep them from killing me. Yeah.

[Ethan]

Looking across to them, looking at their eyes while they were looking at you as he was standing, it was hard. How did. Could you feel like I'm gonna get you or.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you know, Red Dog. If you, when you read the book, you'll read about Red Dog. If I ran into Red Dog today, he'd kill me or I'd kill him.

[Ethan]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

And some of those people, some of those people that just were cold blooded killers, you know, you wanted to testify against them, but some of them that you read, that you ran with for two years, you partied with and you did all kinds of stuff with and, and those guys that would take a bullet for you and they would take a bullet for me. I knew it.

[Ethan]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

And I would have taken a bullet for them. It was hard to testify against those, but there's some of them cold blooded people that hurt people and they could have hurt them from stealing all their property and they could have heard him from physically hurting them. And when I saw that happen, I mean, I couldn't do anything about it at the time. But I told myself, time after time after time, you'll get yours. You'll get yours.

[Ethan]

There's probably still a relationship, though, that was built where you felt bad for putting them. I Mean, some, considering they deserved to be where they were.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Ethan]

You still felt bad because they had loyalty, they would die for you.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. Yeah. And I had to deal with that. I had to make that decision. You're going to sit in a chair in a courtroom and you go send them off to prison now? And, you know, at one point, they would. They would have stood up and taken a bullet for me.

[Ethan]

Yeah. That's got to be the hardest thing.

[Billy Queen]

It was hard. I'm telling you, it was hard. And I had. I made decisions. I told the United States attorney's office and DA's office that I wasn't testifying against certain people because they. They had already taken a bullet, fell on their sword in different cases. They call me up when I was out hiding out in Texas and say, you know, I want you to start getting prepped for this trial. This guy's coming up. And I told him, I'm coming out. No. Yeah, I did that in some of those cases. Yeah. And some of them cases, I was just waiting for some of them to come up because they needed to be in prison.

[James Arnett]

So. So is it fair to say that some of them were. Some were bad guys. Some of them were bad guys, and some of them were just guys that were just in the club.

[Billy Queen]

You know, all. All of them want to make you believe that we're bad and we'll hurt you. We're bad. That's where they get away with so many things that they do, because there's. People are scared to death of them, and in a lot of cases, they should be, but they're not all bad. They put the colors on. That makes them bad. But if you stand toe to toe with them, that he kick their ass. And you knew who. People that were in the club that had heart. That's what we called it. They'd kill you. And you knew who had heart. You knew who had heart in the Hell's Angels or these other clubs that you might have to come in contact with. We called it her heart. They would kill you.

[Tyler]

What is it more when you call it heart? Is it like they were just animals? Like monsters? Like.

[Billy Queen]

No, they had.

[Ethan]

Loyal.

[Billy Queen]

They had. Now, you. You guys that have. Have been in combat, you're gonna kill whoever you got to kill, but you're doing it for a. A noble cause. Yeah. There are certain people out there that will kill you for stupid. Because I want to wear skull and bones on my colors, so I'm just waiting for the opportunity to kill somebody.

[James Arnett]

I knew guys like that in the army Yeah, I knew guys like that kill somebody.

[Billy Queen]

Well, I mean, these are people walking the streets out here. They're gonna kill them but for that skull and bones patch. But you got cold blooded people say. I understood the violence when I was in there. I understood it when it came to the Mongols and the Hell's Angels or the Vagos or whoever it might be. I understood that violence. Hell, you asked for it. You put those colors on, you know you're going to be into it with these other biker gangs. And in different situations, if you're out here and you insult the Mongols, you're gonna get your ass beat. I understood that.

[Ethan]

That's the same thing with the infantry. They go in knowing what their job is. They know what they're signing their life up. They're going overseas. I'm almost fighting kill for their brothers.

[James Arnett]

I'm gonna stop you right there, okay? I didn't know shit about what I was doing. I had no fucking idea. I did not know. I joined in June 2001.

[Billy Queen]

Oh.

[James Arnett]

Right before. Yeah, I was in, I was in OSUT. I was at Fort Benning in 254 infantry. Oh, you were Gator Alpha 2.

[Tyler]

I was Alpha 254.

[James Arnett]

Box 254.

[Ethan]

What did you feel saying, oh, I'm gonna just join the infantry and then war?

[James Arnett]

I mean, I, we're gonna tie it.

[Tyler]

Back, we're gonna camp and play with guns.

[James Arnett]

I so I, I grew up at Fort Bragg. I grew up, I grew up, I.

[Tyler]

Grew up at Fort Bragg.

[James Arnett]

No, I I Dude, I I my, my dad was over there. I I When my dad went to jump master school, I was my dad's three jumpers doing JMPI on the back porch at Beaver Run in Fayetteville. I thought I was. Nobody was gonna fight us. I didn't have a fucking clue. And when September 11th happened the next day, it was like, you motherfuckers are going to Afghanistan. You better get your goddamn mind right.

[Ethan]

Wake up call.

[James Arnett]

I did not know the guys that came in after me, yeah, they, they kind of had an idea, but you don't know what you don't know when you're 18 years old, you don't have a clue.

[Ethan]

Didn't you and Brent join after 911 because of that?

[Tyler]

I'm pretty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ethan]

So seeing the jumpers would honestly wartime, Seeing Americans have to jump out of a burning building to save their lives.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, I didn't know, dude. It was a going through OSAT at Fort Minning. I didn't, I mean, like I can tell that story. That's a whole different story. But like, I didn't. I saw it happen on the news.

[Ethan]

Me too.

[James Arnett]

And I was in Fort Benning and I was like, oh, oh, shit. We're like, we're gonna fuck some people up. And my biggest fear was that the, the war would pass me by, that I had been in basic training when it happened and the war would be over.

[Ethan]

Oh, absolutely.

[James Arnett]

And so I didn't, you know, little did I know. But. But like, I think a lot of guys and, And I think it's the same when you join the infantry or you join a, an outlaw biker club. When you join the La Costa Nostra, like whatever, whatever organization of dudes. Dudes. You don't know, man. You think you know until you get there and you're like, oh, oh, okay. This is what it's about.

[Ethan]

I don't know, going into it. What your job.

[James Arnett]

I. I knew I was gonna kick down doors and shoot. I knew I was gonna shoot guns and blow up and I might jump out of planes. Didn't. Didn't jump out of planes. Didn't jump out of place.

[Tyler]

Hey, Drew, let's hit up some super chats for you.

[James Arnett]

So sorry.

[Tyler]

No, we're good.

[Billy Queen]

We only have.

[Drew]

We only have a couple.

[James Arnett]

Cool.

[Drew]

Let's see here. Says Joe Saunders, I believe is the next one.

[Billy Queen]

Yep.

[Drew]

Joe says, when I was a kid, I used to deliver pizza to Peacemakers. They tipped well, were funny, and rocked really hard.

[Billy Queen]

Just saying.

[Drew]

Peacemakers. Is that another gang I never heard of?

[Billy Queen]

Never heard, Never heard of them.

[Drew]

I would think military Peacemaker says Peacemakers.

[Billy Queen]

I don't know. I don't know. Joe.

[Drew]

Joe Saunders begging brotherhood in combat. All too true. And thank you for saying that. Seriously.

[Tyler]

Okay. Caught up.

[Drew]

I know, I know. One chat. Wanted to know what kind of bike did you ride?

[James Arnett]

That's a dope ass question.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. You know, I started out on a. A bike provided by atf. It was an FLHTC for. For those people that are in Harley Davidson's is a big bike.

[James Arnett]

We're in a Fat Bob or Dinah.

[Billy Queen]

Stripped down version of it. Had a hot rod motor in it. But. But later on I rode a Softail Springer. And that was a stolen motorcycle. The Mongol stole it for me because I was telling them all the time, I sure would like to have a Springer. Sure would like to have a Springer. One day they showed up my house.

[James Arnett]

Why did you want a Springer?

[Billy Queen]

I just like the way it looks. No, and I mean, that's fair. So. So they Showed up with it. One more. Hey, Billy, look who we got. They just stole it, like, right across town and brought it over because they had it.

[James Arnett]

Like, they didn't. They couldn't buy one. They had to steal it.

[Billy Queen]

They don't buy.

[James Arnett]

They steal it by lawyers.

[Drew]

Peacemakers MC. Originated in Tennessee.

[Billy Queen]

Okay.

[Drew]

Peacemakers MC Motorcycle Club.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. Okay. Are they 1 percenter? Ask them.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's a Peacemaker sound, kind of like.

[Drew]

So he delivered pizza to them. They tipped really well and they rocked really hard.

[James Arnett]

Dude. Dude. The outlaws in Ocala are the most awesome people ever.

[Billy Queen]

Well, I wanna. Again, I want to clear it up. You put that patch on and they decide that Google kill somebody, you put it on, you're going to kill them right along with them.

[Ethan]

Or you're getting killed.

[Billy Queen]

Or they're going. You're going to answer for it. Yep. And they're ruthless. If you want out, it's going to cost you. You don't just get out. That doesn't happen like that.

[James Arnett]

Not a one percenter club.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And to end it, just wanted to make everything clear. We went offline because Billy was warning me about, you know, parading the Mongol cut. The way I was looking at it, is that as a piece of history. I would, you know, I really do. I don't want to, like, I'm not going to say respect, but I respect the. What it holds.

[James Arnett]

Absolutely.

[Tyler]

And, you know, to me, it is. I asked Billy before he came on, is this going to go in a museum? Because the Mongols have been around since the 70s, over half a century. You know, Billy's operation was legendary in the undercover world. So, you know, I did not want to be disrespectful in any shape or form. So just let that be known and.

[Billy Queen]

Let me clear it. Let me. Let me clear something off. That's okay. Those colors are going back with me.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

[Billy Queen]

And. And I have to say, when I became a Mongol, full pass Mongo, I was proud of that. And every time that we. We beat down the Hell's Angels, every time we beat them, I was proud of that. And when I wrote my book, the Mongols have read it. Mongols have read it. They know the respect that I had. They know about the brotherhood and everything that I told the world in that book. So it is with all the respect in the world. I hang on to those colors and I have them with me, just like I know that they do.

[James Arnett]

I like the way you put that, though. This is. This is history, man. We're talking about history. Not an operation or anything else. This is like, hey, man, this is what happened. And hey, that's a part. That's just as much part of their history as it is anybody else. And it ain't about like rubbing it in their face. Yeah, very much about like this happened. And this is the guy who was there. And hey, man, you guys played cops and robbers and you lost on this one.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, those presidents that I respected. Penny, he was a Vietnam vet just like me. And I had respect for Penny. I know that Penny had respect for me. And the same. I'm sure that the feeling is the same today. We had a game that we played back then. Cops and robbers, bad guys, good guys and stuff. That's the way that it was. I did my job and what happened, happened. But there is no disrespect today and everything that I've said about. There's people that need to be in jail and there's people that are in jail that doesn't. They don't need to be there. There was a lot of violence and I understood the violence in the. In the motorcycle gang world. Some of the cold blooded people. And they know who I'm talking about. Those people that did the things that hurt people that they didn't need to be hurt. Those people need to be in jail. I don't give a shit if you're a mongol who you are walking the streets out here. You know, we got laws and you're supposed to abide by the laws. I understand they're outlawed bikers and they live outside the law. And once again, I understand the violence, but it's the cold blooded people within the club that I never was able to understand. And those people, and I don't mind saying, and I'll say it right here, Red Dog's one of them. He needs to be in prison. And I'm sure he's gonna hear that. So, you know, I'm not. I'm not calling Red Dog out, but he's a bad person.

[Tyler]

All right, we're in it like we usually do. I said I was. We're gonna end it. The winner was. I think it was 200 for Judas Priest heading out to the highway. But do the original thumbnail. And the original discussion of the night was for the fallen law law enforcement officers. So figured I'd play some drop kick Murphy's. We'll read some. We'll read some. Some comments. Wend it like we always do.

[James Arnett]

Fantastic.

[Tyler]

So send them. Get Billy to come back on with Jay. That would be a dope episode.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, that would be. I. I'll pay to sit, like, over here and just watch, bro.

[Tyler]

No, we already did that one. Have you ever done anything with jp? Speaking engagements, podcast? Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay, let's see here. A lot of them talk amongst themselves. Pete, who is the man asking the questions from the couch? Leo. Asking great questions. Oh, said you're asking great questions. Yeah.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, you did, dude.

[Ethan]

Appreciate it, guys.

[Drew]

What's your background?

[Tyler]

Jason, what's your background?

[Ethan]

Martial artist. Ever since I was 19. I started. I trained for multiple years and then started fighting when I was in my 30s. I do a lot of tactical firearms shooting and training. Never in the military, never in the police department. I do debate on going to a. To Ukraine, but after what I saw with Trump and President Zelensky, I'm second guessing that. But, yeah, I'm just a normal American patriot that will fight and die for my country.

[James Arnett]

And he wants to row the boat. And he wants to row the boat.

[Ethan]

And I will definitely row the boat.

[Tyler]

High tower gave us 20 bucks, man. Thank you so much. Tyler, what's the worst about doing media? The exposure, putting yourself out there. I was just talking to Jay about that. Obviously, I cannot compare to infiltrating a national syndicated motorcycle club, but it's definitely. I don't, you know, I'm being out there and having your face out there for everybody to see is it's got its pros and cons for sure, but in Kentucky, the Outlaws had a clubhouse in Louisiana, if I remember it correctly. What was it like after the trial went from 100 miles an hour to a complete stop? They're asking you, did it go from like it went. You were going 100 miles an hour. The trial hit.

[James Arnett]

That is a dope ass question.

[Tyler]

That's a good question.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, that's a good question. But it never really stopped. It never really stopped.

[James Arnett]

Did you just go to the next operation?

[Billy Queen]

Well, I had to hide after that went down. You know, I hid, but it wasn't over because I had to go back and testify and it was testifying all over the place. So I was in Texas and I was prepping for court for the next two years, trying to see my kids with that. In two years. I got to see my children once.

[James Arnett]

Jesus. I got. I got three kids, man. I can't even imagine that.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah.

[James Arnett]

I love my kids so much.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah. Imagine being separated from.

[James Arnett]

I don't even want to think about it.

[Billy Queen]

Partner. Yeah.

[Tyler]

All right, we're to play Judas Priest. Heading out to the highway. That won the. That won the the song. Drew, can. I can't see the screen. Can you read some comments while we listen to the song?

[Drew]

Well, let's see. We've got. Says no way Magnet is his real name. It's like a call sign. Has to be a story behind it.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, Magnet. I, I.

[Drew]

He says it's long.

[Billy Queen]

He says it's long.

[Tyler]

We got five minutes, dude.

[Drew]

Just like his beard.

[James Arnett]

Someone said I stuck to them like a little magnet. So it's stuck you.

[Tyler]

That's not a long story. That's long.

[James Arnett]

That's a short.

[Drew]

That's the short. Short.

[Tyler]

Sweet. They said what?

[Drew]

Someone stuck to him like a magnet?

[James Arnett]

Yeah, I stuck to them.

[Drew]

He stuck to them like them.

[Tyler]

Like a magnet. Yeah. Was it Brent?

[Billy Queen]

No.

[James Arnett]

Was he.

[Tyler]

It ZZ Top.

[Drew]

Dude. Duder wants to know your background.

[Tyler]

I'm a firearms manufacturer.

[Drew]

That's it. Right, right, right here, guys. These two gentlemen right here is the reason why China will not invade America ever.

[Billy Queen]

All right?

[Drew]

It's not just our military and our leo. It's Americans like this.

[Tyler]

China won't come in behind every blade of grass about it.

[Drew]

And, and just like men. Just like you guys.

[James Arnett]

Love you.

[Drew]

All right, let's see. We got.

[James Arnett]

What do we got here?

[Drew]

They're not lively tonight.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, they talk amongst themselves a lot, so I can't, you know, inside, it's.

[James Arnett]

It's. It's my fault. It's my fault because I'm. I'm sitting in the wrong guy's chair.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, they definitely. There's Brent still. He actually just landed in Miami.

[James Arnett]

Oh, okay.

[Drew]

Here's a good question, Billy. Sean, from Sean says, knowing what you.

[Billy Queen]

Know now, would you do it again?

[James Arnett]

That is a awesome question.

[Billy Queen]

No. I lost my children. I lost my personal life. I lost everything that I had. No, I wouldn't do it again because I wouldn't give that up, especially my children.

[Drew]

Good answer.

[Tyler]

Do you talk with them now? Do you have a relationship with them now?

[Billy Queen]

I do have a relationship now.

[Tyler]

Do they.

[James Arnett]

Do they understand what dad was doing?

[Billy Queen]

They were 9 and 10 years old when that happened. And so I. I truly lost them. I, I truly. They put. Put me in Texas and put my kids in. In Florida out here. I wasn't able to see them.

[James Arnett]

I mean, like, I was going down range in Iraq and my kids don't understand, so, like. Yeah, I can't even imagine.

[Billy Queen]

Well, you. You saw my kids. I. I've since been able to make up for that, but I lost all those years with my children. So people ask me, would you do it again. No, because I wouldn't give that up.

[Tyler]

Gotcha. I mean, 100. That's got to be hard. Did they. Did they. Was it. Was it post. Post trial, like, post. When you were done, when it kind of started, like, seeping in, like, oh, this is happening? Or did it happen while you were undercover?

[Billy Queen]

No, it happened. I. I started. I lost contact with my children and everything that was personal to me. After about a year of riding with them, it got to the point it was so dangerous, I lost my personal life completely.

[Ethan]

That was because of protecting your children, though. That's why you had to separate.

[Billy Queen]

I was out. The people in California will understand. In Southern California, they have a car show out there, the Pomona Valley car show. And I took my kids when I was actually undercover out there, and I ended up running into the Mongols. And it was only by just the grace of God I was able to get out of there without the Mongols seeing my children. At that point, I didn't see my children. Children anymore.

[Ethan]

Wow.

[Billy Queen]

Not till years and years later.

[Drew]

Well, Billy, on a more serious note, the listeners, they want to know how often did the Mongols change the oil in their motorcycles?

[Billy Queen]

You know, unfortunately, the group that I rode with, they had the trashiest motorcycles in the entire club. They were breaking down everywhere.

[Drew]

They just run them till they blow and then steal another one.

[Billy Queen]

They had some nice stuff, too. You know what a panhead is?

[James Arnett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Billy Queen]

I written with guys with panheads and blow them all the pieces out on the freeway.

[James Arnett]

You're running for sheriff?

[Billy Queen]

I'm running for sheriff for Guilford County. Yes, sir.

[James Arnett]

Would you tell your constituents, your potential, your. The potential people you would be, you know, the. The LEOs that are there and the people that would vote for you, what would you tell them?

[Tyler]

Them?

[Billy Queen]

I tell them, get ready. Because Billy Queen's got a completely different ideology when it comes to law enforcement, when it comes to the safety and security of the people. We're not going to do the same old thing that we've been doing decade after decade after decade. We're going to change things. We're actually going to make Guilford county safer. We're going to make the people more secure there, but we're not going to be doing it by doing the same stuff over and over and over. Get ready. Because I got a different philosophy, and we're going to bring the community together out there, and what. We'll do it all together to make ourselves safer and more secure.

[James Arnett]

What would you tell the LEOs?

[Billy Queen]

You know, I tell them, look, it's It's a new day. And this just kicking ass and taking names stuff, if you got to do that, then do it. And I'll back you 100% of the way. But we're going to look at our constituents out there in a different way. Everybody's got their problems out there, and I know a lot of these law enforcement people don't care. You just abide by the law, and there's something to that. But there's a reason why all this criminal activity is happening out there, and we're going to start addressing that. We're not just going to answer the call, call after call after call and go home, because that's what we do without making anything better. Well, when you go to that domestic call out there, you're going to look around for what caused this. Is that guy just drunk on his ass and beating everybody up? Well, that you. That takes a certain response. But is it that, that. That dad's lost his job and now he's got to come up with more money, some way to support his. His family and his kids? We need to know that and we need to respond to that. Not just because he got drunk and, and beat his, his wife up and stuff. I mean, he's got to be held accountable for that. But if we're going to stop it, we got to help him, we got to help his family. And we're not doing that. We're just answering the calls or writing the reports and stuff and going home.

[Ethan]

Writing the reports and going home sounds like being proactive. Having a situation and figuring out.

[James Arnett]

Sounds like community policing.

[Billy Queen]

Most of the time when people say proactive, they're coming up with a different type of approach to catch the bad guys.

[Ethan]

Yeah.

[Billy Queen]

Versus why are they bad guys? They do the things that they do.

[Tyler]

Or the classic domestic where there's a domestic violence situation. You know, not heinous, just a drunk husband hits his wife. And now you remove the breadwinner, you remove him from the. Any contact with his family. He. He's got nowhere to go. The wife has no way to pay.

[James Arnett]

The bill, support, you know, And.

[Tyler]

And I'm not saying he should be allowed back. I'm just saying that there's got to be a different system to that.

[Billy Queen]

Absolutely, there does.

[Tyler]

You know what I'm saying?

[Billy Queen]

Absolutely. But we're not doing that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we're not.

[Billy Queen]

We're not doing that. But. But we can.

[James Arnett]

Yeah, and we will.

[Billy Queen]

With Billy Queen.

[James Arnett]

I love it.

[Tyler]

I love it.

[Drew]

And Billy, another thing is not everybody's going to watch this podcast, they won't be able to see your book in front of you. So could you tell us.

[Tyler]

We have a lot of audio listeners.

[Drew]

Yeah, some people. Could you tell us the title of your book and what it's about?

[Billy Queen]

The. The book's called under and Alone, and it covers the two years and two months that I rode with them. With the Mongols.

[Drew]

Real quick, for those of you who don't speak Texan or North Korean, Carolina, that is under and alone.

[Tyler]

Go ahead.

[Billy Queen]

Yeah, under. Under and Alone covers that. That two years and two months that was in with that game. And it covers all the little points that we haven't gone over tonight.

[Drew]

And some we have.

[Billy Queen]

And some that we have. Yeah, that's right. But this tells the truth about that two years and two months. The. This is not Hollywood. This is the way that it was. Real names, real places, real events, and. And what happened to me. Wow. During that time and what happened to me after.

[Tyler]

Hey, Billy, one more question. We wrap it up. It's kind of a good question, and I'm really intrigued by it. Somebody asked, Billy, how was your relationship with Christ during that two years being undercover?

[Billy Queen]

How is my relationship with Christ? I found myself in situations, life and death situations. I found myself in situations where they expected me to kill, and I found myself out in those situations and armed robberies. And I was praying to God when I was standing there, side Mongols on both sides of me, guns out, give us your. Your property and stuff. I was like, oh, God, just let him give. Oh, God, please just give me stuff. Oh, God, please. Oh, God, please. Oh, God, please. That's where I was. And I. I'm here today because of the grace of God, not because I was that good, because I was able to walk away from armed robberies out there that if they could, they just went bad just like that, I wouldn't be here.

[Tyler]

Yeah, God loves his warriors, man.

[James Arnett]

Absolutely.

[Tyler]

All right, guys, another Thursday night squad cast. Thursday nights for the boys. Thank you guys for tuning in. Thank you guys for hanging out. Brent's in Miami super late, obviously, and we'll see you guys next Thursday.

[James Arnett]

Peace.