Squadcast (Live) 08/21/2025

Summary

The Antihero Podcast – Squadcast (Live) 08/21/2025

Date: August 22, 2025
Theme: Part Delta Force. Part Street Cop. All Truth.
Guests:

• Josh Burton (Elevated Operator, ex-Army Ranger, instructor, and entrepreneur)
• Scott Payne (Legendary undercover FBI agent, author, pod guest veteran)
• Brent Tucker (Co-host, former operator and law enforcement trainer)
• Tyler (Host, High Order Clothing)
• Super Chat Crew: Engaged, numerous questions and memes

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Episode Overview

This Squadcast live episode brings together former elite military and law enforcement operators for a wide-ranging, highly candid discussion. Topics span war stories, undercover operations, law enforcement inside baseball, controversy around standards and culture in elite units, plant medicine for veterans, the ritual of manly banter, and a wild ride through pop culture, music, and podcast inside jokes. The panel takes real-time questions from listeners, providing honest, sometimes unfiltered answers about the realities behind heroic mythologies–with a heavy mix of humor and authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introductions & Guest Backgrounds (00:01–03:34)

• Host introduces all guests and notes recent interviews filmed with both Scott and Josh.
• Brent Tucker highlights:
  • Scott Payne’s 20+ years undercover in FBI, recent appearance on high-profile podcasts.
  • Josh Burton’s diverse journey: ex-Ranger Battalion, Tesla, Cry Precision, Elevated Operator tea brand.

Notable Quote:

“Josh, you are a very hard person to find on the Internet.” – Host [03:03]
“There’s a reason for that.” – Josh Burton [03:07]

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2. Cultural Critiques: Hero Worship & Sell-Outs (04:08–06:34)

• Scott and Brent lampoon “dirty self-promotion” after seeing ex-military folks pitching books and memorabilia on podcasts.
• They emphasize keeping integrity after decades on the inside:

  “How about you go undercover for 22 years and get on the Joe Rogan show? How about that?” – Brent Tucker [05:28]

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3. Elite Units, Respect, and the Reality Check (06:35–08:44)

• Brent praises FDNY Rescue and full-time SWAT for intensity and frequency of action, drawing a line between those who “actually do it” and those who ride the reputation.

  "Don’t act like you’re all the same, because you’re not." – Brent Tucker [07:15]

• Scott says the same applies to SWAT: some do 800 hits/year, others barely see action.

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4. Communication & Criticism in the Age of Email (08:45–10:07)

• The hosts describe direct but professional responses to angry “email warriors,” emphasizing the benefits of respectful discourse in high-tension fields.

  "Can’t read tone in an email vortex unless you put a goofy emoji on it." – Scott Payne [09:13]

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5. Banter Section: One Chip Challenge and Superchats (10:45–11:33)

• Light-hearted discussion about the spicy “one chip challenge,” hospital trips resulting, and whether Josh would survive it.

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6. Danger in Undercover Work (Scott Payne’s Deep-Dive) (11:33–16:49)

• Scott recounts his closest calls:
  • With white supremacist group "The Base": Nearly discovered due to a hidden tracker and a homebrew bug detector. [12:18–14:39]
  • Infiltrating the Outlaws MC: Strip-searched at gunpoint while wired, saved by pure luck as enforcer misses the wire. [14:39–16:13]

Notable Story:

“I was wired to the hilt...strip down, they search me...he grabs a piece of clothing and starts kneading it with his fingers...he looks right at it and misses it. That’s divine intervention for me, man.” – Scott Payne [15:30]

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7. Politics, Policing, & Unpopular Truths (18:59–24:37)

• Panel weighs in on urban crime, Trump’s rise, media hypocrisy, and how law enforcement agencies target dirty cops from the inside, noting the system self-corrects despite public perceptions.

Notable Exchanges:

“Who’s fixing dirty cops? Cops are.” – Brent Tucker [29:24] “There are a few things a good cop can’t stand more than a dirty cop.” – Scott Payne [28:54]

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8. ABSCAM & Political Corruption (31:14–32:50)

• Historical background on ABSCAM, the FBI’s sting operation in Congress.
• Outrage over Congress requiring notification if under investigation.

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9. Q&A: Closest Calls, The Culture of Drugs in Special Operations, Standards for Women in SF (41:05–104:33)

• Drugs at Fort Bragg/unit: Josh and Brent debunk idea of rampant drug use in elite SOF units.
• Women in SOF/Green Berets: Panel argues standards were lowered for political reasons, to the detriment of credibility.

  “Why is it when the security of our nation is on the line...when it comes to the NBA, when it comes to Super Bowls, why aren’t you saying, ‘a woman better be on that team by next year or you’re a sexist’? But when it comes to special operations, ‘no, a girl can do anything a guy can do.’ Stop it.” – Brent Tucker [103:20]

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10. Honest Talk: Plant-Based Solutions for Mental Health & Sleep (77:07–120:28)

• Josh Burton shares how proprietary mushroom blends help veterans recover and manage anxiety after service.

  “This stuff actually saved my life and made me a much better person for it.” – Josh Burton [80:20]

• Open skepticism (and laughter) from co-hosts, but genuine testimonials and plug for Elevated Operator’s wellness products.
• Larger discussion about natural vs. pharmaceutical solutions, sleep issues, and how plant medicine may be vital for PTSD recovery—especially compared to “overmedicating” by the VA.
• Discussion of stem cell therapies in Mexico/Colombia for injury and recovery.

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11. Faith & Meaning After War and Chaos (124:00–157:02)

• Scott discusses his book, Code Name Pale Horse, integrating his undercover tales and spiritual journey.
• Conversation turns to faith, struggles in belief, and continued personal battles post-career.

  “When you’re on the front line for God, you’re probably closer to Hell than you would be otherwise. Because the devil does not want who he’s already got.” – Scott Payne [150:54]

• Denzel Washington quote: "You learn, you earn, then you return." The panel highlights passing on knowledge as the cornerstone of leadership.

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12. Pop Culture, Banter, and Music Debates (158:16–end)

• Lightning round of favorite law/military movies, TV shows (End of Watch, Donnie Brasco, Full Metal Jacket, Peaky Blinders, Southland).
• Long-running inside joke about “Nickelback Sucks” and defense/uplifting of Canadian culture through music, wrestling, and acting.

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• On authenticity:

  “I didn’t even ask to get a picture [with Joe Rogan]. I’m just like, I’m so happy to be here.” – Scott Payne [05:35]

• On real action vs. posers:

  “Those Rescue Fire Stations...actually doing the work that the rest of the country firefighters are riding the back of. Like, yeah, we’re just like those guys. No, you’re not.” – Brent Tucker [07:08]

• On being hard to find:

  “There’s a reason for that.” – Josh Burton [03:07]

• Undercover life-or-death:

  “Put my phone in airplane mode...he walks up with something like a Geiger counter...right at the fender...makes all kinds of racket and lights are going off...I thought, well, this is gonna be a quick undercover.” – Scott Payne [12:38] “Divine intervention for me, man. But yeah, he almost found it. They almost got me.” – Scott Payne [15:56]

• On dirty cops:

  “There are a few things a good cop can’t stand more than a dirty cop.” – Scott Payne [28:54]

• On standards in SOF:

  “Every female in special operations, the standards were lowered.” – Brent Tucker [101:20]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:01]–[03:34] — Intros & Guest Backgrounds
• [11:33]–[16:49] — Scott Payne’s Undercover Life-or-Death Stories
• [29:08]–[32:10] — Abscam and Congressional Corruption
• [77:07]–[120:28] — Plant Medicine, Mushrooms, Sleep Remedies, Stem Cell Therapy
• [124:00]–[157:02] — Scott’s Faith Journey, “Code Name Pale Horse”, Denzel on Leadership
• [158:16]–[end] — Banter: Music, TV, Movies, and Canadian culture (plus after-hours Superchat roast and music)

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

Rowdy, funny, unfiltered, sometimes irreverent—but always grounded in the reality of hard-earned experience. The panel balances deep war and cop tales, straight-talking sentiment, and an undercurrent of brotherhood, healing, and continued service—to self, to others, and to truth.

For New Listeners:
This episode is an enthralling entry-point—exceptionally real, with no sugar-coating. It provides war stories, hard-won wisdom about mental health and policing, and plenty of laughs and good music, giving you both a sense of what it's like in the trenches and in the post-career, post-military world.

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Additional Standout Quotes

• “I'll give respect where respect's due. And everyone gets my...you will worded emails.” – Host [07:23]
• “You can put your Zen dip in for when you go to ranger school...it protects them from the toxins in your prison pocket.” – Brent Tucker [25:30]
• “One night on that one [plant medicine] journey is worth ten years of couch therapy.” – Josh Burton [176:33]

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(For full context or follow-up, please consult individual timestamps or the official Antihero Podcast YouTube channel.)

Transcript

[Host]

Welcome back to another anti hero squad cast. Thursday is for the boys. We got a hell of a show for you. We got Josh Burton, one of the owners of Elevated Operator show for you. We got.

[Brent Tucker]

We're good.

[Host]

We got Scott Payne, the UC legend. Josh is back for the first time. Forever magnet. Jordan and Tyler, owner of High Order Clothes. Is it apparel.

[Scott Payne]

Clothing company.

[Host]

Clothing company.

[Brent Tucker]

Stick around. We got a hell of a show. Let's go.

[Super Chat Moderator]

We're back.

[Brent Tucker]

Hey, we're back. The old V cut. Like the cut of your chip.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, we are back.

[Brent Tucker]

Sorry. Yeah, buddy.

[Host]

It's almost like we don't do this, Ronnie, but.

[Brent Tucker]

But we do.

[Scott Payne]

Ain't nothing but a peanut. Yeah, buddy.

[Host]

There we go. I gotta scoot in our.

[Scott Payne]

Scoot over. I'm straddling the hump here.

[Host]

So we just filmed with both these fine gentlemen. We filmed with Scott yesterday. We filmed with Josh today. So there's gonna be. Episodes are gonna be out soon.

[Brent Tucker]

If you guys don't know. Scott did undercover work with the FBI for over two decades. He was recently on the John Regan show.

[Scott Payne]

Joe. John Regan is a small show.

[Host]

Yeah, Joe.

[Brent Tucker]

Joe Regan.

[Scott Payne]

Joe. Joe.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. I forgot his name. The kind of a big deal. And you're. You're on the big deal. Okay.

[Scott Payne]

Yes. I went up to all those shows.

[Brent Tucker]

To make it here. And Josh. Josh is an old. Old. I can't say, well, teammate in training, but an old working mate of. Of mine and former ranger bat guy had a whole history, connections that has his own company as well. Elevated operator selling tea, which I use every night. And also, York, you worked for Tesla, you worked for Cry Precision. You've done. You've done a lot of. Since getting out. So that was a great episode. And that's. That's the crew. We don't always do a good job of introducing the crew and the who and why.

[Host]

Yeah, we're pretty routine. We introduce them on the main episode that we do, and then we go live and we're like, oh, yeah, no one knows who you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, they might know Scott from.

[Host]

Josh, you are a very hard person to find on the Internet.

[Josh Burton]

There's a reason for that.

[Scott Payne]

Stick that way. Trust me.

[Brent Tucker]

Ah. All right.

[Host]

We'll do some super chats. Kick it off.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Yeah, Joe Williams. Can you send me your address so I can stop by?

[Host]

Yeah, you gotta message us.

[Super Chat Moderator]

D Force. John McPhee, the novel writer. Now I'm putting him on blast every short that comes up.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he definitely. You know, I was. I don't. I don't know Why? I would be. But I've been watching a lot of John McPhee episodes. Why would you be, like, I don't. Well, I'm just. I'm really interested in the guy. He's got some interesting stories. And.

[Josh Burton]

Didn't he used to be in the unit?

[Brent Tucker]

He. He was in the unit. He was.

[Josh Burton]

He was the one that got in.

[Brent Tucker]

Quite a bit of trouble into the mic. Into the mic.

[Josh Burton]

Didn't he get in a little bit of trouble?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he got fired.

[Josh Burton]

I thought so.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I mean, of course, it's not what he said on. On the Sean Ryan Show. That's not. It's an inconvenient truth. He may have gotten a little more than fired.

[Josh Burton]

Like, international incident.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he's. He. But when he was on the Joe Rogan show, it's. It's awkward because he's. He's like, yeah, hey, I wrote a book. Like, you know, do you want to read it? Like, can you get it published? Like, he's behind the mic, like, selling himself to try to get his book. Book published. It just seems odd. Like, yeah, you're recording with them right now. Now's probably not the time to sales pitch your book. And the other thing is, he. He brings in that the. His replicate gun of. It's like a silver AK47 that the Republican Guard used to have. And. And he was also trying to get Joe to, like, hey, you want to buy that? You think you might know someone who would want to buy that gun?

[Host]

Are you serious?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And now he's, like, trying to hawk his gun on the Joe Robin. You're like, what is this guy doing? How could anyone ever take this guy serious?

[Scott Payne]

I would have never.

[Brent Tucker]

Just.

[Scott Payne]

I was so. I mean, I was like, people going on the show. Once people find out you're going on Joe Rogan, they're like, bro, I mean, I'm getting emails. If you can just drop my name. By the way, here's two business cards. Give one to Joe. Give one to his. Hey, you should wear your own shirt with the Scott Payne website. And I'm like, there's absolutely no way. I'm like, no way.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. All your friends, like, could you immediately become a sellout?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Essentially what they're asking.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. How about. How. How about you go undercover for 22 years and you get on the Joe Rogan show? How about that?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, man, I was.

[Brent Tucker]

How about that, guys?

[Scott Payne]

I was. There's no way I was doing that. I didn't even ask to get a picture. I'm just Like I'm so happy to be here.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Host]

What are you wearing? Brett saw that you. You dawned on.

[Brent Tucker]

I did. I donned on the. The boys from Rescue 3 at the FDNY sent a. Sent some swag. Oh, nice. So shout out to those guys. Thank you so much for the swag. Steve Marley. Thank you so much and hope to be hopeful I can make it up there. I don't want to promise it just yet, but I'm really trying to make it up to NYC for September 11th and hang out with Rescue 2. Rescue 3 go to ohares.

[Scott Payne]

Almost wore that shirt tonight.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, did you really?

[Scott Payne]

Last time I was in o' Hara's they gave me a shirt.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, we're trying, we're trying to get about 30 or 40 bottles up there at O' Hara's for, for the, for the September 11th.

[Host]

I love that bar.

[Brent Tucker]

So. Yeah, it is a cool bar. So yeah. Thank you.

[Scott Payne]

Thank you guys.

[Brent Tucker]

And you want to talk about. Yeah, we talk about, you know. Yeah. ESU and Op Tempo and how I was training them. They even left in the middle of training to. You want to talk about Optim though? Op Tempo, those, those Rescue Fire Stations 2 and just. Yeah, just non stop like actually, actually do it. This is going to sound like a backhanded compliment, but actually doing the work that the rest of the country firefighters are riding the back of like yeah, we're just like those guys. No, you're not. Those. Those. Those guys are out there doing it like a TV show. You know the. If you're in sleepy town. That's not me discrediting. You know, those guys are ready to do work and they're ready to answer the call if it comes and you get that type of respect. But don't act like you're all the same because you're not.

[Host]

Harsh truth from Brent Tucker.

[Scott Payne]

I say the same thing.

[Brent Tucker]

I give respect for respect respects too. And everyone gets my.

[Host]

You will worded emails.

[Brent Tucker]

I will, I will. As much as I tried to walk the back of sorts and, and be fair about it. But I stand by what I said.

[Josh Burton]

A bunch of customers.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. This coffee company, I, I do the.

[Scott Payne]

Same thing with SWAT guys though. Like you. You got teams that train four times a month. They get called out every now and then versus somebody like Houston PD full time SWAT. 600, 800 hits a year.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Scott Payne]

You can't. You can get that many reps even if you screw up every one of them still knowledge. You can't.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's. And it's. It will be great. You're right. Someone will take offense that I said they're not all the same. When. Then after you press them about it, they'll. If you. If you didn't embarrass them about it, they agree with you and be like, oh, yeah, I never said it was. Why are you upset about what I said? Because they. There's no way they'll. They'll stand by that.

[Host]

But I think some people don't think you're gonna write back. We'll write back to some things and they're like, hey, man, yeah, I'm sorry I lost my temper.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, we use venting. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes people press about those things. They'll. They will. They have more than one occasion, they'll send me an emotional email and I'll. I'll write them. I'll write them back.

[Josh Burton]

Email warriors.

[Brent Tucker]

But I'll write them back a professional email. And usually by the one I get back, like, you're right. I'm sorry. I was. I was having a bad night. It's all right. I have bad nights. Everyone has bad nights.

[Host]

Was it. Was it a Native American one?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, man, that was the last one. Had to do with Native Americans. Sure did. And then I. And then I gave a public reply to his email. He didn't appreciate that. Oh, so he wasn't my most professional.

[Host]

Moment, but I was gonna say, but you didn't win him over.

[Brent Tucker]

I did. I did, eventually. No, no, I did. Yeah. Yeah. I had to. I had to walk that one back a little bit and say, yeah, I probably should have done that.

[Scott Payne]

Can't read tone in an email vortex unless you put a goofy emoji on it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, next super chat is from Vladimir Putin, not kgp. Good evening, gents. Brent, any update on when the signed bottles of bourbon will ship? Outro Song 1 by Metallica yes, they.

[Brent Tucker]

Should ship next week. They just got into the. Into the warehouse or I should say in the Florida, like everyone. I don't want to bore you guys with the details. Three tier state. So it has to go from a distillery to a distributor over to the retailer. So it's at the distributor. It's in Florida. It should be here the next couple days. I'll sign them and out they go. So they're finally here.

[Host]

Are you. We're going to NTOA tomorrow morning. Are you going with us? Are you staying back?

[Brent Tucker]

I'm going. I'm going to stay back in hopes that they can move it tomorrow so I can sign them so they can go out while I'M gone. And I'll fly and meet you guys.

[Host]

Yeah, if you're going to be in D.C. we'll be in at NTOA at the Gaylord.

[Brent Tucker]

Is that where the convention's at? I. Dude, I know he's gonna laugh. It is.

[Scott Payne]

Pretty nice hotels.

[Josh Burton]

No, really, it's a great place.

[Brent Tucker]

You can't. You can take the guy to the rage of battalion, but you can't take the rage of battalion out of the guy. Tough girl.

[Josh Burton]

We had a great discussion earlier about gay people.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, we did. Over.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, next one is Rudy. We got it. We gotta get y' all to do the one chip challenge on a live. My money is on sir Magnet. Sexy show as always, boys.

[Brent Tucker]

The one chip challenge.

[Host]

What's that?

[Super Chat Moderator]

It's like a super spicy chip.

[Host]

Anybody can. Anybody. Josh, you seem like somebody that would do that.

[Scott Payne]

I can never do it.

[Host]

You would do it.

[Brent Tucker]

What type of chip is it? Like, it's one chip.

[Host]

Like a bag. It's got one chip in it.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, one chip.

[Brent Tucker]

It's shaped like a Dorito.

[Host]

It sent one of the dudes I work with to the hospital.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Host]

Take his vest off.

[Brent Tucker]

No, he didn't want it.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Our next one is from Wesley for $200. Evening, fellas. Scott, what's the closest to death you've ever came while undercover? If you are willing and able to discuss.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And just being a bad motorcycle rider is not an answer. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Being a gay dude in a bike.

[Brent Tucker]

We took it all. We took it all his age away from him.

[Scott Payne]

I know. And I could feel my face turning red. And I usually don't blush easily. Yeah, yeah. Good question. There's been quite a few instances. So when their show comes out, we dive deep into one. Yeah, there's. There's been several where, like, you're in there. And this is more at the state and local narcotics level, where, you know, I've been a uniformed cop may have locked somebody up. I don't know who we're buying from. You walk into a house in the middle of the woods, and the guy's brother comes walking in. There's a rifle pointed at you, and he says, my brother says you're a cop. And he's right because I arrested his brother. So there's those that you got to, like, get out of. But as far as, like, almost being found out, there's a couple. One that's up there is the first time I met. There's this group called the base, which is kind of defunct now. It's the new age, right? Wing extremists, white supremacists, they're called accelerationists. They don't believe there's a political solution to save the white race. They believe society is going to collapse on its own or from man made events. And they want to speed it up. So when I go to meet the. Do the face to face meet, after passing all the tests and interviews and stuff to get into the group, I drive down to Georgia, north Georgia, and I meet the case team that I hadn't really met before. And they put a tracker on my truck. And I go to meet the two guys from the group to do a face to face vetting. And I figure I'm going to get checked if they're doing their due diligence. So he walks up, I step out. Mind you, they've told me where to park, to take pictures of stuff, to send it to him. So they're watching, they walk up and the guy tells me, put my phone in airplane mode. I'm like, cool. He pulls out this thing that I'd never seen before, like a Geiger counter to me. It's had like a triangle card on it. There's like lights and shit. I was like, what the hell is that? I'm. I'm not rusty, I'm not out of the gun game. But I haven't seen that. And he wants me cool as he's walking towards the back right fender, driver's side fender. Then that's where they stuck it. I don't know where they stuck it, but I saw him going up under. As he's getting closer, that thing is getting louder and louder and it's making all kinds of racket and lights are going off and I'm like, all right, well, this is gonna be a quick undercover. So I like drop my right leg back suddenly because I think we're getting ready to go to blows or I don't know if they're armed or not. And right when he's getting to it, the other guy says, do you think it's the power lines? We were on a hill. We were on a hill. And at that point where I was parked, the power lines were low. And he walks over and I'm out telling he was right at it. And he walks over and it goes nuts. And he's like, damn it. He goes, follow us to another place. So I lived to fight another day on that one because I was able to tell the team to cut the tracker off. And the other one, the one that everybody likes to talk about, much to my dismay, yeah. Is I did two years in the Outlaws in Massachusetts. And at a year and a half in, after doing all kinds of criminal activity, I'm wired to the hilt. I go to the clubhouse the night before a big operation that we were planning. We're going to do a drug deal. We had, like, 40 kilos of cocaine, thousand pounds of weed. And this is around, like, 2007. And I go to the clubhouse, which I've been to, I don't know, umpteen times, and I go in and, you know, they got steel bars across the door. They got all kinds of stuff. But the. The second closest relationship I had, his road name was Clothesline. He was the enforcer. And he says. They called me Tex. He says, tex, you got a minute? And I said, yeah. And he carries me down into a crawl space, and another outlaw follows me down. They got me at gunpoint. And he tells me to write down my full name, date of birth, everything I could write down, and take off all my clothes because he's going to search me for a wire. And I was wired to the hilt. So that's probably the closest I. I made it by the skin of my teeth. I stripped down. They searched me, thought I was done, had the whole adrenaline dump, thought I was done. And then I'm coming back up out of the adrenaline dump, and he grabs a piece of clothing and he starts kneading it with his fingers. And you can hear me on the recording. Go. Because I know what I can do. Even if I fought two dudes with two guns and I made it by the grace of God or something. Once I got upstairs, there's like, 12 more outlaws because they just had their weekly meeting called church. And he looks right at it and misses it. And that's divine intervention for me, man. But, yeah, he almost found it. They almost got me.

[Brent Tucker]

Wow. It's just when I hear those stories, you know, I try to usually correlate. Like, I hear a dangerous story, and I correlate it to my work. Josh, you ever thought about spending two years undercover with. With the Taliban? No. No.

[Scott Payne]

You're a smarter man than me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. No. Undercover work with the enemies. Just that's. That's. That's. That's something uniquely le. That's. That's crazy.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. Because, I mean, we're in there to get evidence.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, it could be evidence that they're not doing anything wrong. I told you that right? Yesterday. It', man. I mean, I've been undercover for five months, six months, and there's, like, there's nothing here federally. I mean, they can walk, you know.

[Brent Tucker]

But that way you take them off the list and now the list got a little smaller.

[Scott Payne]

Yep. And then that one. That one's was a. That was a crazy one, man. Not. I do not want to do over.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, you know, I say that Bo Bergdahl went undercover for a while.

[Josh Burton]

Weren't you on the halo that picked him up?

[Brent Tucker]

I had gotten shot the week before that. That. That was my troop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, Chuck Loner. What's up, ladies? Great and admirable guest tonight. Here's to the Bouncing Souls letter from Iraq as the closer stay lethal.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. Letter from Iraq.

[Super Chat Moderator]

My name Matt. Hell yeah. I love you guys. Who wins in an mma fat fight? 50 grenades. Tim or Jocko?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, you gotta give that to Tim. Yeah, I mean, Jocko's old jocko's been doing that for a while, but there's a. Jocko didn't go to the UFC for a reason. Yeah, yeah, give that to Tim.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Chuck Loner again. Brent sent you a LinkedIn message. Check your shiznit. Also, the Bouncing Souls letter from Iraq closing song.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, another one for letters for Iraq.

[Scott Payne]

Right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Waist Gunner found TK's book in Barnes and Noble over the weekend. Since I was unsupervised, I put it in the fiction section and immediately went to wash my hands.

[Brent Tucker]

And I will. And I will check my LinkedIn from. From the last message.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, my gosh, that's terrible.

[Host]

They're ruthless.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Brent Tucker]

But they're not wrong. They're also not ruthless, but not wrong.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Chuck Loner again. Hope to see FRCC@TCOL 2025. Hit me up for details on unnecessary cost and achieving max exposure. The Bouncing Souls letter from Iraq close.

[Brent Tucker]

Wow, they're really getting behind this one. $20 for some reason. Okay, the. Hey, send us. Send us a. A message on Instagram about T. Cole. 2025.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, last one back, man. Union. Did y' all see Putin and Trump this week? Putin these nuts in your mouth. Thanks for all the social media support. Thank you. Military, fire and police. Highwaymen. The highwaymen.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Host]

Highwayman back then.

[Brent Tucker]

Union.

[Super Chat Moderator]

And that is all of these super chats.

[Brent Tucker]

Nice. Had. Got it. Got a picture of me rocking my. That black hat you sent me, I believe when I was teaching the.

[Host]

Yeah, we got a box in there from them, too, that we have not opened yet. Like saving it for Christmas.

[Brent Tucker]

The. I knew the. The Putin, Trump Zielinski thing was going to come up and everyone's made like such a big deal out of, out of this. But I'll tell you for the most part what this, what this means. Nothing. I mean, there's, there's nothing that's, that's really come out. If you want to be a little bit positive about it. They, you know, they have verbally agreed to continue talks and that is, that is a good thing. I mean, this, this just progress, right? If you want to just talk about it on a, on a human scale like this, this war has to stop at some point. We just can't, you know, it's just keep sending young men to their slaughter by the hundreds of thousands for what. So on a human scale, I, I would like to see the end of it. And at least they're, they're looking to talking. And I love how ev. Everybody hates Trump and he's the devil, but really no one's, no one's, no one's really stuck out their war for peace the way Trump has. And this isn't me just being, being a Trumpster because, because I'm not. But I'm also can't. I'm not going to ignore when someone, when someone does something good. Did you see the vow from the, from the Buddhist. 30, 000 of them broke their silence to try to nominate Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize. Oh, because he's, he stopped. Let me make sure. I gotta get. I'm get these countries right. But this just, I mean, he, this, this just goes to show how, you know, how he walks the walkie, talks the clock when it comes to, to, to peace. Look it up here a second.

[Host]

Hey, Bradley, are you logged into Instagram?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Host]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep. So it was Cambodian monks that did it. And it had to do with. Make sure when I get these, these names right, who, who they were at war is Cambodia and Thailand, and they were going back and forth fighting it out. And then Trump called. It's like, stop it. Just stop it. And guess what they did.

[Host]

They stopped.

[Brent Tucker]

They stopped it. So, I mean, you hate them. There's a lot of different reasons to hate him, but just the way we're gonna act like he just does nothing, right? If you hate him, I think that's, that's a little, That's a bridge too far. I said 30,000 Buddhist monks broke their, broke their vow says something. The. We talked about it last week with D.C. you know, everyone's up in arms about him sending troops to, to, to D.C. to, to quell the violence and to get. You want to know how many homeless people are in D.C. dude, I was.

[Josh Burton]

Just in D.C. a couple weeks ago. Really insane.

[Brent Tucker]

Watch it. There's a lot less right now than there were two weeks ago. You want to take a stab at how many it's. It's a fairly small city, land wise. You want. You want to know how many, how many homeless men people are in D.C. 8,000.

[Josh Burton]

That's just D.C. .

[Brent Tucker]

Proper. That's just D.C. proper. That's right. That's just D.C. 8,000. That's our capital. I believe it. Are you kidding me?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what you want people to come up here. And of course, again, I won't be this dead horse too much. We talked about it a lot last week, but people are still. But people are still all up in arms. So what comes with homelessness?

[Host]

Crime.

[Brent Tucker]

Crime, drugs, violence. I'm not saying every single one of them, but you better poop, pee and poop. Yeah, for sure.

[Scott Payne]

A lot of that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. That's what we want people to see to our Capitol and they bring their family, their friends, their kids. Foreigners come to see how great they are, and that's what they see about us.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So if you didn't want Trump doing that, I don't know, clean up your city. Don't make someone else have to come in and clean up your city. It's just. It's just. It's a thought I have.

[Scott Payne]

I could tell you from a law enforcement standpoint, I know everybody's in an uproar because they're saying the National Guard and this, that and the other, but we used to do that in the FBI. Like if there was in Chicago, there was heavy street gang violence. They would canvass and it would be like your ass kicking case agents. You might go there for three months to six months. And you go there and you hit that task force and you go out on the street, street and you. And we just saturate that thing and then build cases and clean it up.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, let's.

[Josh Burton]

Let's come back to reality, though.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

The only reason it's a big deal is because it's Trump doing it.

[Brent Tucker]

That's it. As always. Yeah. You know, Obama deported people like it was his job, because guess what? It. It was his job.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Because that's.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, the law is on the books, man. If you don't.

[Brent Tucker]

Nobody cared. Changed a lot when Obama was deporting people. You know, drone strikes. Obama was king of drone strikes, king of black ops.

[Josh Burton]

Because he didn't want anything.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. You want anything in the news and Guess what?

[Josh Burton]

Busier than ever.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a credit thing. I'll give credit where credit. Still have no problem giving credit. You know, with. On the good things. I'll. I'll shoot it straight. But again, you can't. You can't. If one person does it and you don't talk about it or talk like it's good, you can't. You just can't switch sides like that. Yeah, well, our media can. They do.

[Scott Payne]

You shouldn't.

[Host]

I opened the box from back, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah. All right.

[Host]

We got hats.

[Brent Tucker]

Bam.

[Host]

Look at these.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Host]

Okay.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, cool.

[Host]

If they're sewn, you got to show us your secret. Oh, they're sewn.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, really?

[Host]

Oh, really?

[Brent Tucker]

Our original FRCC leather hats were sewn. And they were such a pain in the butt. We quit doing it. Those are good hats. This is good leather pieces.

[Host]

Keep up the good work. Enjoy the Hell yeah. Enjoy the pod back Banyan. But he sent the. And I don't know what these are. You know what these are? Looks like something you'd hide weed in.

[Scott Payne]

A hockey puck.

[Brent Tucker]

That is. You beat me to it. That is a hockey puck.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, that's what.

[Josh Burton]

They're Zen.

[Brent Tucker]

There is. Yep. That's what. That's what I was going to say. Is it there? It's. It's a. It's a circle thing. It's a Zen can. It's. It's a heavier dutier. Heavier.

[Scott Payne]

More.

[Brent Tucker]

More dutier. Zen can protector for you put your.

[Host]

Zen dip in for when you go to ranger school.

[Brent Tucker]

For lip pillows. Yeah. Yeah. This is. This is for lip pillows. And it protects them from the. The scent and the toxins in your prison pocket. So you can put it.

[Josh Burton]

Prison wallet.

[Brent Tucker]

Your prison wallet, if you will.

[Scott Payne]

There's a way to check that, too. There's a way to check that too.

[Brent Tucker]

You gotta want to hide it. And guess what? You got to want to find it.

[Scott Payne]

Telling you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

I wasn't scared. I'll reach all up in there.

[Brent Tucker]

I was about to say. What? You'd hide it if I did.

[Scott Payne]

I'm going.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm going for it.

[Scott Payne]

Cut the cameras on. Have a witness.

[Brent Tucker]

What else we got?

[Super Chat Moderator]

We got some more super chats everyday American. I'm pretty sure this is directed to Scott. Have you ever had to go undercover with a group of dirty cops? Are dirty cops as much of a real thing as the movies make it out to be?

[Brent Tucker]

That's a good question.

[Scott Payne]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

In the episode.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. So the FBI does all kinds of corruption and you get the elected official corruption stuff. You go back all the way back to ab scam and congress people and mayors and stuff. You get that all the time. But me personally, I did, I did some cases against. What we were trying to uncover was systemic public corruption. So I did like a rural county. And we talked about this yesterday, like you said. But like, so you're in a rural county where cock fighting's been going on for I don't know how many years. Right? So it's that you go out there and it's in the middle of the woods and fighting is illegal and. But there's cop cars there.

[Brent Tucker]

You're not gonna laugh at cock fighting?

[Scott Payne]

No. You ready to jump? I mean, it's a pretty good crowd. I was ready.

[Brent Tucker]

I wait to see where this is going.

[Scott Payne]

I'm tossing them up. I'm tossing them up, man. I'll give you some easy ones, trust me.

[Brent Tucker]

Toss them. A lot of cock.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I know. So, so. But you got cops there. And then you're like, okay, well they don't have a problem with this. But also in the same parking lot, openly dealing is open. Back then when I, the case I was on, it was pills, you know, your oxy 80s, your roxies, cocaine, you name it. But I told this yesterday on the show. I go in and I'm betting, you know, and I'm doing my thing, ingratiating. And I go up to the concession stand and I'm gonna try to get a beer. And the lady told me, she's like, we don't have any beer, that's illegal.

[Brent Tucker]

Then I'm like, draw the line somewhere.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, but the cock fighting, that's good. And then, then there's. So it's a slippery slope. So, yeah, I have, we did, we did pull charges on or develop charges against a constable and another cop on that, several family members. But yes, I have, I don't think it's as big. Just me personally. I've got like the co writer on my book, she's Canadian, she did a lot of pieces on corrupt cops and stuff. The guy that did the Rolling Stones article, the journalist, Paul Solitaroff, he did a bunch of anti cop dirty cop stuff. I just don't, I don't think it's as rampant as people say it is. Because a lot of times, from what I've seen, from my side of my, my experiences, when I say play the video from beginning to end, that's what I like. Like some of those cop shows out there now, it's not stage is just cameras on. So you get to see it from beginning to end. And a lot of times people don't understand what the job requires. But, yeah, they're dirty cops. And as I said yesterday to the guys here, there's. There are a few things a good cop can't stand more than a dirty cop. So, yeah, it's out there. But with social media, tv, you get a couple of cops doing something atrocious. They should be buried under the jail as far as I'm concerned. But then it gets played.

[Brent Tucker]

But you know, a point that, That I want to make again because. And we made it yesterday, which is. I love that you guys do that. You are actively looking. Law enforcement is actively looking for dirty cops. Yeah, so. So who's fixing dirty cops?

[Scott Payne]

Cops are.

[Brent Tucker]

Cops are fixing dirty cops. So the system is working. Yeah, it'll never be perfect, but at the end of the day, as long as cops are the ones still looking for it, we're good.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, hell, I was a. I was a cop for five years. Matter of fact, I saw, I was looking that you got a patch from my sheriff's office. I didn't have my glasses on. I was like, is that my sheriff's office? But yeah, for five years. And I got to New York as an FBI agent, brand new agent, going to New York City. And that's when the Justin Volpe thing happened. That's the guy that was the NYPD cop that sodomized, the guy he arrested with a plunger. And I'm like, what the. How do you. I can see getting upset and wanting to.

[Host]

That's old school police work right there.

[Scott Payne]

Well, I don't know about that. I'm like, I don't know what made you go to that, but it is completely wrong. But I remember that guy going to trial and he was cocky. I mean, he showed up like. Like an Italian. He's like gay. You know, it's no big deal. And I'm like, so, yeah, I personally don't believe it's as rampant as most people say, because I'll add one other thing I've been on. I don't want to say ground zero, because everybody associates ground0 with 911 now, but I've been on the ground while it's happening, and you see what's being reported and you're like, that's not even close to what's happened. But we can't put it out there. I wish you could take the body cam and the dash cam and go straight to the news station and play it for everybody. To see from beginning to end, but you can't do it because it's an active investigation. So six months later, after a town's been burnt down, people are going around saying that, oh, well, this is what this. This is what the suspect who was shot was doing. Six months later, when the truth comes out, it's like page 80. It's forgot about and everybody cares. Yeah. So. And then people's lives are ruined, the town's been burnt down and people's lives been lost, and it's. It's sad. My big thing is get out there and spread as much knowledge as you can.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, I love that you pull brought up app scam. I. We talked about that just a little bit, but that's just something I want to bring back up into people's memories or to like, because it was a really cool thing and I didn't know it until did some research on the. On the Donnie Brasco episode.

[Scott Payne]

There's some.

[Brent Tucker]

Some correlation there, but if you guys don't know what Abscam is. It was a FBI sting operation, the late 70s and early 80s that led to convictions of seven members from both chambers of the United States Congress and others for bribery and corruption. The FBI, aided by the United States Department of Justice and convicting Mel Weinberg and videotaping politicians accepting bribes from fictitious Arabian company in return for various political favors. Are you kidding me? I thought that was how they do it.

[Josh Burton]

This is lobby.

[Brent Tucker]

This is what I'm surprised about. I'm surprised they got caught, you know, as they actually prosecute and they surprised they prosecute them. But tell me what you told me yesterday and you're muddled to that. This. And this blows my mind, and it doesn't at the same time.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. So after the AB scam case and those Congress people were arrested, Congress basically put something out to the effect that says something. Says something to the effect of if we're being investigated, we need to know.

[Brent Tucker]

You got to tell us.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So I don't think you know how investigations work there.

[Scott Payne]

I'd like to come before Congress right now and let you know that we have an investigation going on. Don't know who it's going on to.

[Brent Tucker]

But.

[Scott Payne]

Watch your P's and Q's.

[Host]

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[Scott Payne]

Bam. Yep, I'm sold.

[Josh Burton]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Host]

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[Scott Payne]

Cool. I got a circle.

[Host]

There was nothing that was gay in that one, right?

[Josh Burton]

The tasty gains.

[Host]

Tasty.

[Scott Payne]

No. Blowback. Blowback, yeah. I will say this little known fact, all of this that is happening to me right now is because of my relationships with. A relationship with professional wrestling.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. This, all this. This. Is this all. I mean, I've, I've grew up on it. I've still got friends there. I tell you a bucket list story. As I was backstage, I don't know, last month, Smackdown was in town. I went and saw some of my buddies, gave them some books, and John Cena walked up and interrupted the conversation and said, everybody goes, how did you even see him? I go, because he didn't do this yet. As soon as he did that, he was gone. But no, he came walking up and interrupted the conversation. Man, I'm sorry to interrupt But I just wanted to shake your hand and say thank you. He saw me on Dax shepherd show Armchair Experts, and I was like, what in the blue hell just happened?

[Host]

Sorry to interrupt. I'm fucking John Cena, though, so, yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, we're practically brothers at this point. He shook my hand twice.

[Host]

Here's a question for you. With your size and your avid loving, your avid love for wrestling, if. If it was like, yes, it is today, would you have tried to become a wrestler?

[Scott Payne]

I almost did.

[Host]

Because back then, you had to go find a gym train and hope to get some kind of.

[Scott Payne]

I was recruited. I was recruited by Southern Championship Wrestling. When I was ahead, when I was a head bouncer, Undertaker gave me a number. Mr. Perfect gave me a number. And when I was bouncing, hell out. I mean, not that nobody's partied. If you go to a bar, Ric Flair, everybody's partying with him. But, I mean, back in the day in Charleston, South Carolina.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Ye.

[Scott Payne]

So this all started because Glenn Jacobs, AKA Kane, the Undertaker's brother, and he's the mayor of my town. And when he was running, I mean, I had relationships in wrestling. Bray White was a friend. May rest in peace, A.J. styles. I've met and know people like that. But when Glenn was running, the guy that ran his campaign after that was over ended up going into tv, movie industry. And we got to know each other because we met there. One thing leads to another. Rolling Stone magazine. And here I am after a book deal. So nice.

[Josh Burton]

This sucks. Hulk died the other day, huh? Hulk Hogan.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, another Hulk.

[Brent Tucker]

Hulk and Ozzy.

[Scott Payne]

I gotta say, Ozzy went out like a champ, though, man. Inducted into the hall of Fame. And that last concert.

[Brent Tucker]

Last concert, yeah.

[Scott Payne]

And I mean, what a. I know that's a tough week.

[Brent Tucker]

The only way that would, like, kind of correlate because Ozzy got to go outright, you know, just like he got his. He got his last concert in. If only Hulk could have got in, like, one last Wrestlemania. Like, will that have been like a similar sound sen. Maybe.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, he was at the one last year. I mean, he comes out and speaks.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

You know, I've never met him per.

[Brent Tucker]

Se, but I don't want to speak. I want to do an atomic leg drop.

[Scott Payne]

You want to see it? You got to see him.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I want to. I want to see him.

[Scott Payne]

I got to see him hook up. I got to see him take the smack and come up and stand up. Get the finger running. Doing it. Rip it, man. Yeah. I say your prayers, train hard, take your vitamins. But yeah, so the. Another little known fact I was telling you, Tyler, yesterday on the ride back was that's my M.O. for my undercover names. When in 1996 when I was at the sheriff's office and I had to pick an identity for a fake id, I was like, what the hell am I gonna name myself? So Scott's a common name. So I've always been Scott. My middle name is always the first name of a close friend. The last name is always the last name of a wrestler. So Scott Callaway, Undertaker. Scott Anderson, Arne Anderson, Scott Williams. That's Stone Cold Steve Austin's the real last name. So yeah, there you go. I am country.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, brother.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, brother. Let me tell you something.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, so we have another one from Backman Union. He was just telling you to open the box. But you already did that. All access.

[Brent Tucker]

I saw it pop a top.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All access for 50 bucks. Brent, did you ever do time with the Shaw boys in Hagerman, Idaho? John Shaw won his first ever cowboy shooting competition when he moved to Idaho and he never shot a wheel gun. His son, Houston is pretty well known as an instruction instructor. Ffdp Outro.

[Host]

We get to pick this up.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you ever do anything with, without the, at the Shaw like, did you.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, we went out there for some.

[Brent Tucker]

Training there, do some long range stuff up Nido and then they have. What's it, what's that Shaw shoot house like down, down south? They have a, an affiliate thing, but that's.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, they're very well known in the community.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, I, I never did anything with them. I know exactly who they are. But yeah, I never, I personally never did. But Josh, you said you went out there and shot. Shot at their place where they cook a great breakfast, take you out there on some four wheelers or you know, got some fun stuff to ride around.

[Josh Burton]

In and a bunch of prairie dogs.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, shooting prairie dogs is one of the funnest things I've ever done. They're so.

[Josh Burton]

Especially down in Texas.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, but they're cute everywhere.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that's right.

[Scott Payne]

They're cute. They're everywhere in Colorado. When I land in Denver at the airport, that's when you're riding out on Taxi man, you see them everywhere.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, and they're, they're, they're a great way to ruin your grass. Ruin pastures. Break like cows legs.

[Josh Burton]

That's why we would break.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, from the holes. Well, that's kind of like groundhogs.

[Josh Burton]

Cattle ranchers hate them.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I've got groundhogs down at the bottom of My property. And I'll let them. That's. That's their. That's their little ecosystem. They're good, but they start digging under the house, they gotta go.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And. And they will multiply so fast. Prairie dogs. Yeah. So many. So fast. It's crazy.

[Host]

Have you ever guys ever shot the boar hunting from a chopper?

[Scott Payne]

I was supposed to. I was actually supposed to go.

[Host]

That looks like fun.

[Scott Payne]

With Glenn Jacobs son in law and Dusty Rhodes son. Not. Not Cody, but Dustin Donalds.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you do it in Texas, Josh? Would you do that? At. Was that at Accuracy first with. Oh, what's his. You do any time and ironically. Did you need time in recce?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Josh Burton]

I was about to say when I first got to the unit, I went right to recky.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you really?

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh man. Well, it was. You came from. Coming from rd, I guess you could.

[Josh Burton]

It wasn't a good thing.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I'm trying. What is. What is his name? From Accuracy first.

[Josh Burton]

I'm trying to think.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know. It's with him all the time. It is. I. I can't believe. I can't think of this guy.

[Josh Burton]

The other one we used was Todd Hodnett.

[Brent Tucker]

Todd Hod. See what I'm thinking of? Yeah. Todd Hodnett. Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

He's got that 360 range. That was badass.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, there was. You know, the army used to have a 360 range.

[Josh Burton]

Really?

[Brent Tucker]

We had two of them at one point. Yeah. You didn't go to them? No, it was.

[Scott Payne]

There was.

[Brent Tucker]

There was. One of them was called Iraq. That was called Afghanistan. That was. That was for your joke at the.

[Scott Payne]

End of the episode.

[Brent Tucker]

That was for your joke at the end of that. It's all about the second time on the setup. Gotcha.

[Scott Payne]

I'm just thinking of a firearms instructor walking the line behind some of the people I've walked the line behind in my 28 years of law enforcement. I'm like a 360 range.

[Josh Burton]

Trust me, there's nobody checking you out there.

[Scott Payne]

Well, I've seen them turn it into a 360 range and we're diving on them to grab the weapon, you know. What the hell are you doing? Yeah.

[Host]

What's next, Riley?

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, Joey W. I pre ordered the FRCC bourbon, but it's not clear how the delivery works. Do you know if I have to be home and sign for it or will they just leave it on the porch? I'm in VA by the way, if that matters.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a good question. I'd assume you have to sign for it because it's. Because it's out. Because it's alcohol. But I don't know.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Signatures.

[Brent Tucker]

Just like firearms. Yes. They'll check your ID too. Yeah, look at that. We're about to find out for sure. But that.

[Scott Payne]

Something tells me they didn't do it during company.

[Brent Tucker]

Something tells me Magnets, right?

[Scott Payne]

Whatever you want during company.

[Brent Tucker]

And everybody knows how much I hate to say those words.

[Host]

At least he said it into the mic.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Our Backman union with also again, highwaymen. The highwaymen.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Carl Spackler, aka IP Freely. I've been on the job now for almost 30 years and I still feel like I'm meeting a hero when I meet guys from FDNY rescue. So no offense taken. Want. We'll still buy your crappy cigar.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a win win right there. I'll take it. I'll take it.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Backman union telling you to enjoy the items from the box.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I'm telling you. What the.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, little lip pillow pouches.

[Super Chat Moderator]

That's what metal thing was.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Zulu whiskey. It's African American ops.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I'll skip that.

[Brent Tucker]

Some black ops. But.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I stayed apolitical for a reason in my book, so yeah, I'll dodge that one.

[Brent Tucker]

Hey, and in the chats sober Dr. Nick, just. Just do me a favor and let's lean a little heavier on your first name sober. And keep it. Keep it. Keep it. Keep it good in there in the chat room, please.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Vanessa. Hi, Josh. You are awesome. Tell us a story of you and boss man Bible verse credit of Drew. And we know that all things work together for good. To them that love God. To them who are called according to his purpose. Romans 8, 28.

[Brent Tucker]

Boom.

[Josh Burton]

Awesome. Thanks, Vanessa. I love that we did tell it. It'll be on the other episode, but we told this story earlier today. 1. One of the first times I hung out with Brad. I show up to his apartment, him and his wife and a bunch of our classmates at the time. And Brent answers the door with a silky shirt on, chest open and black leather pants and away. A black wig down to his ass. And I did not know this side of Brent, but it was karaoke night and him and his old lady rocked it the out like this.

[Brent Tucker]

This dude can sing. We. We throw rock band parties. Yeah, it was awesome.

[Scott Payne]

It was one of the best times. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

In that year.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it really was. I really enjoyed that. Yeah, we went all in. Like. We. Like I said we brought like a. Like a. An actual like mic stand.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You Had a. Had a leather or not a leather? I had a scarf on the mic stand.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And up there, perform.

[Scott Payne]

Did you have the drums in the guitar? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Knocking the knights that the. The mic stand over, grabbing it by the scarf, pulling it back up, and we're putting on a show there. You know what?

[Josh Burton]

I was impressed.

[Brent Tucker]

That's pretty freaking awesome. Well, we didn't. We didn't bring you guys over until we had perfected it. A lot.

[Scott Payne]

A lot of reps. Gotta get a lot of reps.

[Brent Tucker]

I thought it was a Poison concert.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, man. Some of those guitar. The rock band stuff, like the parts you had to play on the fake guitar. I'm like. The actual real guitar is easier. Let me show you how easy. I'm like, this thing.

[Brent Tucker]

I can play this for real.

[Scott Payne]

Don't you tell me I'm failing.

[Host]

You seen that sound? You've seen the Guitar Hero, south park, right? No, if you watch one south park, watch that one.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Host]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

I've watched a handful of them.

[Scott Payne]

I like the book. I thought the Book of Mormons.

[Host]

That was good too.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Tim Kennedy sold me fent. Brian. Brian and Tanner knocked it out of the park on this one. 1. Loving the book, Scott.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, thank you.

[Host]

If you guys haven't noticed, they up our names on purpose. It's like an inside.

[Scott Payne]

Okay.

[Host]

They'll call us, like blant and Tanner.

[Brent Tucker]

And yeah, if. If. Whatever the name. If It'll get pretty. Some really creative. Some just aren't. And if the. And if it's a name you don't recognize with the first letter. Is. Is a letter of your name, it's probably talking to you.

[Scott Payne]

Gotcha. I'm straddling this leg. I know.

[Brent Tucker]

Geez. Personal information. Same thing going on.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, right. I'm like, we're touching. Yeah, we're touching. I'm like. I'm trying to slide, but I can't. Yeah, I'm trying.

[Brent Tucker]

Just straddling that leg, huh? Straddling that hog. Scott. Come on, man.

[Scott Payne]

I'm a team player. I've worked hard to get here.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Casey Smith, Brent Tyler, if you were to strap a claymore to the desk facing out and clack it off, would you survive being that close? Cheers, boys.

[Josh Burton]

A. Yeah, we would.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I would. It'd ring your bell, but, yeah, you. You'd get over. Ah, this. All right, let me. Let me throw. Let me throw a little more of a hypothetical. We survive worse for sure.

[Josh Burton]

Invincible at this point.

[Scott Payne]

Yes. We would survive that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Host]

Entire crowd in Here.

[Brent Tucker]

Magnet. Not so much everybody else. Yeah, no. Hide behind my beard. All right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Jennison CAG Wigger, bro.

[Brent Tucker]

For sure.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Where the 247 range is indoor, outdoor or both. And how much ammo were you given to shoot on a daily basis?

[Brent Tucker]

The. So one time I mentioned one time and. Yeah, okay. Well, it starts because of. Because of one time I mentioned that I had a wigger phase in middle school and they have not let me live that as they should. As they shouldn't. Like you. Really. I. I get it. I'm not even mad about it. That's the all. You know.

[Josh Burton]

You gotta answer his question.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah. All of Our ranges were 24, 7.

[Josh Burton]

If you're an operator, indoor, outdoor, and as much.

[Brent Tucker]

As much as you want, that range flag is up and it stays up 365, 247 and you. There's enough ammo there to. It'll. It'll never. It'll never end. And they'll go get more before you run out of it.

[Host]

Is it just sitting there with a.

[Brent Tucker]

Guard and you just sitting there with a guard and any operator can go grab it.

[Host]

Some poor. Some poor schmuck and active duty, just 82nd guy.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, okay. Okay. Operators can go grab whatever they want whenever they want and go shoot by themselves if. If they want. The. So someone was telling me it was another depressing single guy from. From the unit, but it was like Christmas Eve or Thanksgiving or something. He was like, my boy Zach was.

[Josh Burton]

Out there every night and weekend.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, well, this is a holiday and this. This guy's on the team and he's like, I came in just to grab something. Whatever he needed. He needed to grab something. And he like one of the. The close ranges, he looks down there and some guys down there, like one of his teammates or friends shooting on the range. It's a holiday.

[Josh Burton]

Well, they got to the point later. It might have been before you came back, but a couple years later.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, they were.

[Josh Burton]

They would put out emails. It's Christmas Day, the range is closed. Don't come in and shoot.

[Scott Payne]

Like they had really.

[Brent Tucker]

They had to say it came in. Yeah, Yeah. I saw dudes on like on a weekend bring. Bring their car in. Like bring their car. Bring their car into the range so they could shoot around their car. Yeah, like to shoot. It's just the Wild west. And that's why people love it so much because the military can be so painful to get training done.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And then it's like whatever you want. Whatever you want, whenever you want.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I like it all right, next one. Dakota. Have you guys heard the stories of Huge Ass? Huge Ass has been trying tying down and locking up men for many years. Tyler, what are you writing down in that notepad until the world goes cold? Trivium.

[Host]

So, yeah, how much is that for 10 bucks?

[Scott Payne]

My tattoo artist favorite band, they're from Orlando. Oh, really?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Richard Smalls, what's your opinion on Jewish influence in America? American government, finance, and media.

[Josh Burton]

Oh, boy.

[Brent Tucker]

Our YouTube's hanging on thread. Man.

[Scott Payne]

Now you started. You going down the path of some people that. I've infiltrated this.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll. I'll speak to this one just because it kills me. I mean, people. You're talking about that like the. One of the tiniest countries in the.

[Josh Burton]

World a couple weeks ago.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm, I'm not saying that they haven't come over here and. And done well in the entertainment business and haven't done well in finances, but to think that that that little country, like, secretly pulls the. The strings to every major thing, including our government in America. I just. I. I don't believe. You think the Jews are telling Trump what to do. You think the Jews are telling these congressmen Trump was Hitler. What. What to do? Yeah, Yeah, I thought it was. Yeah, yeah. Like there's. There's plenty of other big wigs.

[Josh Burton]

There's no doubt they have some influence, but that's anybody with money.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. That's anyone. That's exactly. That's anyone.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, Hollywood, I mean, they're kind of. Yeah, there's.

[Brent Tucker]

There's. There's plenty of other people with influence and money as well. They don't. They don't run the world. They have a little bit of influence, sure, but it's not because they're Jews. It's because they're. Whoever they are, are either rich or powerful people. And there's. And there's plenty of black, white, Asian, African, whatever you want. Whoever that, I assure you I can prove to you has just as much power and in one way or another in this country, but no money. But. But no one thinks those people are running the. Pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

[Scott Payne]

That'S getting towards that. Well, I'm not saying that's what your person writing in was getting to, but it could easily take a turn for what I've infiltrated in this, you know, the whole Zionist government, you know, anti Jew, we want neo Nazi, we want Hitler back, that kind of stuff. Because if everybody's white, that'll fix everything.

[Josh Burton]

We've seen it on Our campuses lately, and it's rampant. Honestly, I'm glad we're doing something about it, finally.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's.

[Scott Payne]

I know what'll fix this problem.

[Brent Tucker]

These, these, these college campuses that hate Jews so much.

[Scott Payne]

Why?

[Brent Tucker]

And they will fly a Palestinian flag and also go march for gay rights and women's rights like you guys are. You're absolutely idiots. The only people with women rights and gays rights in the Middle east, there's Israel.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And you hate them. And you stand behind Palestine.

[Scott Payne]

Take your.

[Brent Tucker]

Gay ass to Palestine. We'll see how long you last.

[Josh Burton]

You ain't coming back.

[Scott Payne]

Or go to China, stand in the middle of the street and burn a Chinese flag saying death to China. But hey, you know, it works out for you.

[Brent Tucker]

You let Palestine know that, that you marched for them on a college campus in America, and I'm sure they'll turn the other cheek.

[Josh Burton]

Good luck, bro.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You're out of here.

[Scott Payne]

Well, if you ever see in the interviews where people go up on the street and ask them, and it's like from river to sea. Well, what river? They idea. They don't know. They're just yelling. They don't. They don't even know what the other talking about.

[Josh Burton]

Half of them are paid.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, absolutely. That I do.

[Scott Payne]

Listen. I mean, if you look law enforcement wise, you look at somebody who's not from the state, they get arrested in this state, they get arrested in another state, arrested in another state, and all they're doing is going to state the protest. And I mean, this is. Somebody's paying.

[Josh Burton]

Well, they, they proved it on video. They had a lot of the agitators that were on the January 6. They were at other BLM riots the last couple years before that.

[Brent Tucker]

Same people, they took the headshots and.

[Josh Burton]

Put them side by side. And all these different riots.

[Scott Payne]

Well, that facial recognition is going to help a lot with that.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, we're getting into the conspiracy.

[Scott Payne]

Going down a rabbit hole.

[Host]

These people aren't just. These people aren't just protesters that like going to different protests. These people are paid by. Yeah, Uncle Sam.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't believe you.

[Scott Payne]

Or foreign. Foreign influence.

[Host]

Zorus. What's it? Not Zora, George.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, or Zora. You can do Zora. Why is there Z always here when we come back?

[Super Chat Moderator]

Jefferson for $20. Thursday nights are for the boys. So my girl was dusting and I asked to help. She said, go dust off that podcast you're watching. So she's dusting outside presently. Don't come at my boys and expect no consequences.

[Brent Tucker]

Thought she learned from the curtains. So she said dusting outside.

[Josh Burton]

In Arizona.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, way to go, King. King. I. I love when guys are referring to other guys. Sometimes it's, you know, you know, a little bit of erroneous when, when, when they say it. Well, what's the word I'm looking for? Facetious. Yeah. But it is funny when they're like you, you know, you live your life, your best life. King. Yeah. You go.

[Host]

Do you. King.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Stephen Wash. Aussie Ozzy was better than Hulk.

[Scott Payne]

I'll go with that.

[Brent Tucker]

That's such a hard thing to do. It depends on what they compare. How do you compare that?

[Josh Burton]

Apples to oranges.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Two different things.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Dude. Duder. Can Scott and Tyler stand up so we can truly see how small Tyler is?

[Host]

You gotta make Josh stand up.

[Scott Payne]

You got a pan?

[Host]

First off, my chair is shorter than any everybody else's. You want to stand up?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, we can stand up.

[Host]

You're not even going to fit in the camera.

[Scott Payne]

I know, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, you're not going to fit the camera, but we'll.

[Brent Tucker]

We'll be able to see.

[Scott Payne]

All right. I can't even fit right here. There we go.

[Brent Tucker]

There you go. It's bring your son on the podcast day.

[Scott Payne]

I can fit my foot in here now.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Silent killer. What's up boy? Pulled up. Pulled an all nighter at the fire station last night. Training. Feel drained and dead. But if we don't do it, no one will grind. Don't stop.

[Brent Tucker]

There you go.

[Josh Burton]

Keep it up.

[Scott Payne]

Hell yeah. Get that workout in Creature 96.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Hey Brent, I hope that notebook is getting filled up. Lol Scott. It watched all your appearances big time. Question. Is it okay to sit down to pee? This is a real pressure moment of your career.

[Brent Tucker]

Not. And I have a follow up question to that, but go ahead. Let's.

[Scott Payne]

I got it.

[Brent Tucker]

Focus here.

[Scott Payne]

It absolutely is okay to sit down.

[Brent Tucker]

The pee when all the time. Why?

[Scott Payne]

Well, I'm gonna tell you why. Because my house is not. My girls have grown up, but my house was all women girl dogs. I had a neutered bass of hounds that didn't really count. And I. They. They broke me.

[Brent Tucker]

They won. They broke me.

[Scott Payne]

It was my first daughter. My first daughter. I would hear her on the other side of the house and I go, okay, I'm clear. I'll start peeing. Before I could finish peeing, I would hear, she's running down the hallway. She runs right in and sticks her head right almost in the stream. What are you doing? Dad. So, okay, I'll fix it. I'll shut the door. So now it's put. Bam. Daddy, Daddy, what are you doing? And I can hear under the door going, so I'm like, you know what, screw it, I'll just sit down.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, all right.

[Scott Payne]

So then, then like if I, if I sit down outside of my house. Yeah, it feels really weird.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Yeah, okay.

[Scott Payne]

But in my house, as it should.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, now it's, it's, it's an odd question, but like I said, we, we cover all the tough topics here.

[Host]

You're not going to get this.

[Scott Payne]

It does not make you less of a man.

[Brent Tucker]

The when, when you wipe, are you front to back or back to front?

[Scott Payne]

Let me think about it.

[Brent Tucker]

When you poop.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I know, I know. I'm having to reach. Hang on. He doesn't go around the back to front. Back, front. When I was younger, I'd reach out.

[Host]

Okay, we got one.

[Brent Tucker]

Another one, another one.

[Host]

Here's my question.

[Scott Payne]

I got a lumbar fuse. I'm not being like my question.

[Host]

Some psychopaths in this room stand up to white.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I was gonna ask that question too.

[Scott Payne]

Some people do, but let me.

[Brent Tucker]

Some people do and they're crazy.

[Josh Burton]

My 3 year old son does that.

[Host]

My 45 year old co host does that.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't know there was another way to do it. People in the comments were like, wait, do you arch your back?

[Host]

Like, they're like, how do you do that?

[Scott Payne]

So let me, I gotta be a little bit more clear.

[Brent Tucker]

I actually said that. I know, yeah.

[Scott Payne]

When you're saying that your wiper, you're not smearing all the way up the front. You're just wiping your butt. I mean if somebody's up there up.

[Brent Tucker]

On your balls, not if you don't drag it. You don't just smear.

[Scott Payne]

You don't smear it.

[Josh Burton]

You got to go away from the.

[Host]

Yeah, you get tailbone like a toddler.

[Brent Tucker]

You just said you don't smear it, so why am I smearing at my tailbone if you're. So if you're going to smear it there, then you're going to smear the other way. You're kind of proving my point.

[Host]

What? Front to back is just better. But no, but we're not smearing it.

[Scott Payne]

We're all men in here. And that's probably a guy asking that question. Right?

[Brent Tucker]

So he knew what he was doing for fema. He got us. He knew what he was doing.

[Scott Payne]

Females are front to back.

[Brent Tucker]

He wants us divided.

[Scott Payne]

Females are front to back.

[Brent Tucker]

He wants us divided.

[Scott Payne]

Get up.

[Brent Tucker]

He wants us divided. And you almost worked. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Thanks for taking us down the rabbit hole.

[Brent Tucker]

I can't look at you guys the same. Oh, man. There's a reason we're both sitting on this side now. And I see.

[Scott Payne]

Don't judge me.

[Brent Tucker]

I use wet wipes. Wet wipes. I use wet wipes. Yeah, Wet wipes.

[Scott Payne]

Best thing in the world.

[Brent Tucker]

Unless you got a septic second. I have septic second to a bidet. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Host]

We did talk about that.

[Brent Tucker]

We talked about never.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I've never actually experienced a bidet.

[Brent Tucker]

I've never experienced it before.

[Josh Burton]

It will change your world.

[Brent Tucker]

You can buy them on Amazon. Buy them on Amazon. Wait, do you have to dry off.

[Host]

Your butthole after you use one?

[Brent Tucker]

Slightly or you shake it off?

[Host]

Oh, you use toilet paper.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah. And now use toilet paper. A man just shakes it off. Shake it off.

[Scott Payne]

What if you got a bunch of him air dry?

[Brent Tucker]

I've got a jam roids.

[Scott Payne]

I'm talking as a. Really?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Really?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. All right, well, I'm going to. I guess I'm getting it turned up.

[Josh Burton]

Like, full power.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. All right, man. I think at a Dodge commercial, if they roll up and they're gonna. That thing gotta hit me. I got more than one.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Let me tell you what will wake you up more than a white monster.

[Scott Payne]

Two or three of them, if you want to know.

[Brent Tucker]

Let me tell you what will wake you up more than a white monster. A cold water bidet. Right. Right. On your rusty sheriff badge. Yep. We're awake.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You're awake.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. They're amazing.

[Scott Payne]

And we're.

[Host]

Are they typically heated?

[Brent Tucker]

No, not typically, but fancy ones are.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, you can buy the attachment. Or maybe that's what I need to look into. I don't know.

[Josh Burton]

Just get the cheap Amazon one and do the trick.

[Scott Payne]

All right, it's happening. And then I'm gonna call in. I'm gonna call in one day.

[Brent Tucker]

Update. Update.

[Scott Payne]

You'll never believe where I'm sitting right now. This is the best thing ever. Thanks, bro.

[Josh Burton]

My wife just turned me on to it, like, a year ago.

[Brent Tucker]

I love it.

[Host]

Game changer.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, it is.

[Josh Burton]

Especially with the hemis.

[Scott Payne]

Okay, I'm in. You had me at hemi. You had me. Hello? Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. Yeah, I don't. I. I told you that you're talking about the Sean Ryan show. I was like, I'll see if I can't get you on there. Yeah, it's. Yeah, he just texted me and he.

[Scott Payne]

Said he doesn't like me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he's. Yeah, he said, you're too country for him.

[Scott Payne]

He moved to Tennessee.

[Brent Tucker]

No, he didn't say that. He's definitely thinking about it. And I said, well, I actually, actually got him on the live right now.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, boy.

[Brent Tucker]

And he goes, you tell everyone alive. I said, hello. So. Well, thank you, Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan says hello to all you guys.

[Host]

Speaking of being the best podcast ever, we gotta pay the bill.

[Brent Tucker]

The man's a professional.

[Host]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Host]

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[Scott Payne]

I see it, I see it. I see it already.

[Josh Burton]

The bidet is the Rolls Royce of wiping your ass.

[Brent Tucker]

I got a question for you, Josh.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So you were freefall for a long time. You know, you did freefall, you know, training and rd took a break and.

[Josh Burton]

Was an instructor at the course.

[Brent Tucker]

You were instructor at the course. You. You would have done freefall stuff up at Lurs at the. Up at 18th.

[Josh Burton]

No, you didn't.

[Brent Tucker]

You guys didn't do Halo jumps.

[Josh Burton]

30.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Oh, you instruct. How many jumps you got?

[Josh Burton]

Three. 500.

[Brent Tucker]

3,500. You got. You got three more than I do.

[Josh Burton]

I only got one.

[Brent Tucker]

But the. What.

[Josh Burton]

What's one real one?

[Brent Tucker]

Did you get a combat jump? You. I know. It's. It's whatever wants really. It's. It's. If that's. That's one thing I didn't get. I suited up several times, weathered out once, just never got the green light on the other. And it hurts your heart when you're like, I'm gonna get it, I'm gonna get it. Then you don't. Oh, it's super cool. You got one.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, you're right though. It's a lot of. A lot of luck and it is a lot of luck. Right place at the right time.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And those. That decade we were there. But that's. If you're gonna get one like, that's, that's the time you're gonna get one. Like, they're so hard to come by. But I was a hard guess. Half the guys that unit, you know, have one that were there for those, you know, for those tired periods of time. So. So the chances were at least the most they were ever going to be in your favor at that time. But. Yeah. You ever have a. You ever have a bad jump after 3, 500, you got a bad jump.

[Josh Burton]

I'm still here.

[Brent Tucker]

You're still.

[Josh Burton]

I never had a really bad.

[Brent Tucker]

You didn't have the worst jump. So. No.

[Josh Burton]

I mean, I guess what I, I really enjoyed towards the end of my jumping career was doing the tandems and the bundle stuff and you know, sometimes those would.

[Scott Payne]

Those would go bad.

[Josh Burton]

But.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah. Old Dave B. Yeah. When, when you hear his story or. Yeah. He. When that, when that bundle snatched his body, it ripped his arm right out of socket and he had a lot of weight. Yeah. He had to spend the rest of that ride with. With one arm that worked exactly what you want.

[Josh Burton]

I mean, at the end of the day, it was like the only thing. After doing it for so long, it was the only thing that would like still give you a. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you. You ever have to go to your reserve? I never did. That's awesome.

[Josh Burton]

Never once. Never once. I, I probably should have at least 20, 30 times. But I was always the person that's gonna try to fix my first.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And I did.

[Josh Burton]

I. I always pulled out of it. There's probably a couple times I, I did the wrong thing and.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. And it worked out.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, it still worked out. I'm here.

[Scott Payne]

I would jump if you were tandem on me.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. I've jumped.

[Brent Tucker]

Dude.

[Josh Burton]

Your size.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. Like. Like early on they would ask. It was a psychological question. Just. They're just asking you stuff. Finish the sentence. Skydiving. First half of my career, I'm like, sounds awesome. Last half no longer an option. But I do with you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. What. What all of you. It's probably not a. A huge list. What all have you jumped? You know, tandem, bundles. What was that black bag like the, the fast rope bag that.

[Josh Burton]

I don't remember what it was called. 500 pound acronym.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Nomenclature. I don't remember What?

[Brent Tucker]

It's called people. Equipment. I only jumped that thing in the course.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

So I never jumped it again. Slang. A lot of meat. A lot of funny story.

[Scott Payne]

I hear it.

[Brent Tucker]

What?

[Scott Payne]

Sounds like a bug flying in our ear.

[Josh Burton]

Funny story. Remember one of the instructors was a civilian about his size. He was my final check ride. And his first name was John.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, about his size. So my last jump to pass the. The tandem course, he just stands up, and obviously he's about a foot taller than me or more. And he just carries me out the back of the plane. And as we get right on the edge of the ramp, I reach up and I. I snatch. Snatch onto the. The end of the aircraft and stop him. And then next thing I know, we go out. Decent exit. And he's fighting me the whole way. And I just. I just said this. I reached around.

[Scott Payne]

Nice. Bradley, did you.

[Josh Burton]

I said, we're not doing this.

[Brent Tucker]

The whole. Whole ride down.

[Scott Payne]

I wouldn't be fighting.

[Josh Burton]

I just choked his ass out.

[Scott Payne]

I wouldn't be fighting at all. What you got going on over there?

[Brent Tucker]

He's trying to figure it out.

[Scott Payne]

You guys know Johnny Wilson?

[Brent Tucker]

Johnny Wilson, former sc.

[Scott Payne]

He's an alert instructor. He just texted me.

[Brent Tucker]

No, I don't know.

[Scott Payne]

He's an amputee now. He said, tell these boys what's up.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Scott Payne]

He's a solid dude, man.

[Brent Tucker]

It didn't. I hate to say it. It would make no sense, but it didn't happen till you sat down. Just do me a crazy thing. Yeah. Or just sit on the ground for just. For just a second.

[Host]

Justice is usually at the producer desk.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Yeah, it was. It was my headphone.

[Brent Tucker]

It's gone now. It's gone now.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Well, because now that I'm holding my headphone.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, is it. Is it used to him?

[Scott Payne]

You did it at the same time? Almost.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Host]

Now we don't have no control.

[Scott Payne]

It's a photo finish. What the hell?

[Host]

All right, so maybe you can take your. You can unplug your headphones if you want.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Is it still going?

[Brent Tucker]

Not as bad. A little bit of buzz.

[Scott Payne]

It almost feels like it's something like. Almost like a hot mic. If you got a hot pickup in your guitar, then you get close to a board, it'll make that sound.

[Host]

Oh, it's gone now.

[Scott Payne]

Okay. All right, hold her.

[Brent Tucker]

There you go.

[Scott Payne]

Don't move.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Scott Payne]

Field antenna days. We're telling our age now, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Way to. Way to figure it out on the fly, though. Congratulations.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Thanks.

[Scott Payne]

Adapt and overcome.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, when you choked out your passenger Was. Was he upset at all about that? Or he's like, yeah, that's. If someone's like, that's the first time he's had it.

[Scott Payne]

Something tells me this. This isn't your first step.

[Josh Burton]

Hey, it was all about survival.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Scott Payne]

Safety first.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Those are fun days, though.

[Brent Tucker]

They were fun days. They really were fun days. What do we got?

[Super Chat Moderator]

We got hightower with 20 bucks. No message.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you. Thank you, Hightower.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Matt Anderson. I was a bouncer for 12 years in three different states. You definitely meet a lot of cool people and celebrities. Caleb Booten. I'll visit the studio one day and I swear to God, there better be beer in that fridge.

[Brent Tucker]

There is.

[Scott Payne]

Show up early.

[Host]

There's beer on the couch.

[Super Chat Moderator]

That's right, weasel with 150.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, thank you, Weasel.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Outro song Killdozer by Zoner. I love the show and wish I could make it to Florida to stop by for a squadcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, but you can. Oh, but you can.

[Host]

What was that? Was that 100 for Zoner?

[Brent Tucker]

150.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Stephen. Wash face Toward the Enemy. Joe Saunders and song request Judas Priest Breaking the Law. Or we could do a sing along to the Mickey Mouse. This is a joke. Please put the money in the beer and bourbon fund.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, thank you, gm.

[Super Chat Moderator]

How was the event in Miami?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that was fun. Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah, that was cool. Lots of. We had the original. The first ever cop on Cops. His name's Jerry Worms.

[Scott Payne]

Yes.

[Host]

And he came to.

[Brent Tucker]

He.

[Host]

He flew down from Knoxville.

[Brent Tucker]

Mr. Stopper. I'll show you back.

[Scott Payne]

That's my time.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, I know. That's why I was asking. Yeah, it was a good time, man. We'll be in. We're going back up to Philly. October 18th, everyday American.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Then how did that Jewish guy who got caught in a CP sting get let go to Israel at the behest. Behest of the Trump administration. They got to have some poll.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not really tracking that one, but.

[Josh Burton]

Politics.

[Brent Tucker]

But. Yeah, hey, I mean, politics is still politics.

[Scott Payne]

You're getting something for something.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. What? What? You're upset about that? I think you should be more upset that we gave up Brittany Griner for. For. What was the nickname? The master. The Master of Death, Whatever his nickname was.

[Josh Burton]

Iranian.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I think it should be a little more about that trade. I forgot about that. Yeah, we got. We got the. We got the bad end of that deal.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Wesley Pruitt with 200.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you again, Wes. Thank you. Hey, Brent.

[Super Chat Moderator]

The Fort Bragg cartel. Do we need another book of Lies episode Megadeth. Peace Sells for the outro.

[Scott Payne]

I'm.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm definitely. I'm definitely considering doing a. A breakdown of that. He. Have you seen this? This by Seth. He was.

[Josh Burton]

I've been talking about the Rolling Stone.

[Brent Tucker]

Another Rolling Stone.

[Josh Burton]

So fun fact. One of our guys that was the major player in that whole thing. I lived with him for two years. Right before all this went down.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you really?

[Scott Payne]

With Billy Levine?

[Brent Tucker]

Levine, yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Billy and I were teammates then. We were team leaders together.

[Brent Tucker]

I.

[Josh Burton]

When my wife left me. Okay, second wife.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

I moved in with Billy. And this was right before all this.

[Brent Tucker]

Right before he shot his neighbor.

[Scott Payne]

Dude.

[Josh Burton]

Three days before that weird story. They helped me pack my U Haul when I moved to LA and started working at Tesla.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Basically, the day I retired, they went to. They took their kids to Disney World.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Three days later, they're back in the. In the. The Nam.

[Scott Payne]

And that goes.

[Brent Tucker]

Well aware of the story, the neighbor.

[Josh Burton]

Calls me and says, hey, Billy just shot Mark. I'm like, what the are you talking about?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. So as they were coming back from. From Disney, Mark was off of his meds and acting funny and so on, some other stuff. And so the wife says, hey, can Billy. Right? Can. Can Mark ride with you, Billy? Yeah. And so they says yes. And then as the story goes, after they get home, you know, Mark comes over with a screwdriver and claiming you're just talking crazy.

[Josh Burton]

Paranoid and.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, really paranoid. Really paranoid. And things escalated and Billy ended up shooting him. And that story's crazy enough as it is, but it wasn't. It wasn't. That was just the beginning, but that was. Yeah, that was as an isolated story. That's still a crazy story, but it's believable and it is what it is kind of type of thing. But when it's the first of a couple things, the next one that he has, the interaction with the law is. Is much. Is much bigger and a head scratcher. And then it makes you go, okay, well, now this is your second running with the law, so let's look into some things in a couple months. Yeah. And then he. Then they find him dead. Now this. He got fired for the second run in with the law.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

So, hey, you know, I'll just leave this out there. One of the best operators I ever knew, he just. He got. Got in a bad way, got hooked up with some drugs and went downhill from there. The rest is history. But it's.

[Brent Tucker]

It's right. The. The.

[Josh Burton]

It's a Crazy ass story at that.

[Brent Tucker]

That is. But that's an isolated story and it really is. Yeah. I. We have a combined. We have a combined experience, and especially being in different squadrons of almost two decades of service at the unit. We could tell you if there was some hidden culture of drugs within special operations. I came from, for, from, from Special Forces. You came from the Rangers. I can't speak of all of your experiences, but correct me if I'm wrong, you came from the 82nd. You spent a lot of time at Fort Bragg. Let me tell you what, I didn't see it. Fort Bragg, a drug problem. Now, are drugs there? Yes. One of the largest military bases. There's drugs and. But the question you have to ask, is it there at a unacceptable rate?

[Josh Burton]

I. I would say. I would say it is. And here's the reason why. Fort Bragg and I95 is the midpoint of Miami and New York City. It's exactly halfway. Fort Bragg is known to be a cartel stop in Haven.

[Brent Tucker]

And you probably know it's been that.

[Josh Burton]

Way for 30, 40 years.

[Scott Payne]

And you got the three way in 95, and it's going north.

[Brent Tucker]

And it, and it can be. Well, let me, let me then expand this as well. You know, I've lived in several different neighborhoods while I was there, so I knew a bunch of different families from different, you know, SF groups and communities. Guys at swick, guys at third group. Yeah, I partied. You know, we went to parties all the time. Drugs just wasn't a thing in our community.

[Josh Burton]

We were in a different community than the rest of the base, though. And I think that's what you're missing.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and it may be so. I know I'm talking about going on a lot of my, my personal experience, but. But I can tell you without a shadow of the doubt, at the unit. We did not have a drug problem at. At the unit.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And for him to try to paint the unit and. Because that's now where we're. This, this is just. It's just not.

[Josh Burton]

He tried to say it was. It was rampant and SOCOM and all the tier one units. And that's absolutely not the case. Those dudes would not be there.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Scott Payne]

Only meth.

[Host]

It is surrounded by Fayetteville.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Vietnam. But it is going back to like the World War, like Hitler. I mean, that was the steroids, you know, trying to make that super soldier.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. That's. You saying, like, it's a bad thing.

[Scott Payne]

No, no. Are you kidding me? I'm on low T right now.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, hopefully you're on high tea.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, we got Kenny for 50 bucks. I donated 50 bucks last week, but my chat didn't show up. Have you guys ever had panic attacks? And how have you dealt with $50 for my name is Eminem for the wigga in us all.

[Host]

You went through the whole thing about talking about anxiety and panic. Like, you got to control your anxiety so you can control.

[Brent Tucker]

I think that was maybe something related to be good, right? It could be the same comment.

[Josh Burton]

We got something at elevated operators.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. Anxiety.

[Josh Burton]

It's the. It's a perfect mood tablet and take your anxiety right away, but you don't.

[Host]

It doesn't make you sleepy. It's not something you take at night.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not sleepy right now. No. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

You just had one on a video.

[Brent Tucker]

I just took the second one. Yeah. Okay.

[Josh Burton]

They work like a champ.

[Scott Payne]

Well, can you say what it is?

[Brent Tucker]

It's. Can you see what it is?

[Scott Payne]

I'm. I'm all in. Interested?

[Brent Tucker]

I've had.

[Scott Payne]

Plan I've had.

[Josh Burton]

So it's a mushroom proprietary mushroom mushroom blend tablet that we make. And it's a chewable tablet. Tastes good, and you really just need to take one a day.

[Scott Payne]

There you go. Yeah. Got one right here. Micro dosing.

[Brent Tucker]

It could be.

[Host]

Are we taking drugs?

[Brent Tucker]

I don't like the silence.

[Scott Payne]

I was gonna say he sells it online.

[Brent Tucker]

I assume it's legal.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, yeah, it's legal.

[Scott Payne]

I'm retired.

[Brent Tucker]

The.

[Scott Payne]

Am I doing it right?

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, you're going.

[Scott Payne]

I'm about to toss them everywhere it's got.

[Brent Tucker]

But to answer that question directly, no, I've. I've. I've never had a panic attack. And I will. I'll tell a quick story, though. I do have a herniated esophagus. And so food doesn't always go down all the way. And it'll get stuck there before I realized what I'd had. If I don't drink enough water and food sits there for long enough, like. And the. Like your body's basically trying to tell you, hey, I got something here. I don't like it. And I'll start getting, like, chest pains. And it starts real small, but the longer that food sits there, it'll get.

[Josh Burton]

It starts causing heartburn.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, it. It feels like you're about to have a heart attack. And the first time I had that, I go to the hospital. Like, I don't know what's going on. I can't. Like, I feel like it's. It pulsates. It's crazy. And like, oh, it's okay. You're having an anxiety attack. Like. No, I'm not.

[Josh Burton]

I just had surgery.

[Brent Tucker]

No, I'm not.

[Josh Burton]

Not exact thing.

[Brent Tucker]

And they looked me over and looked me over. They. They took X rays. They couldn't find anything's wrong with me.

[Host]

They're like, sir, you got a Big Mac stuck.

[Brent Tucker]

I eventually get someone hands me some water and because you don't have a lot of nerve endings like down there, so you can't always tell something there. And I took a gulp of water and I could feel the food. You finally go down. And the pain immediately went away. And I was like, actually I can leave now. I'm good. I think I had food suck in my throat. And. And by the way, it wasn't a panic attack like I told you. Just.

[Josh Burton]

But it gets bad, man. It like chest and you get shoulder.

[Brent Tucker]

Pain out of it. Oh, it gets. It gets bad.

[Scott Payne]

So I want you to sell this to me. What does this do? I mean, am I. It's just relax you.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, it's.

[Host]

We.

[Josh Burton]

We call it a mood tablet.

[Scott Payne]

Okay.

[Josh Burton]

You know, you have to watch our other episode.

[Scott Payne]

Okay. No, I will, I will. Man.

[Josh Burton]

I'm really big into plant medicine and I believe in. You know, the earth has a lot to offer us and.

[Scott Payne]

Absolutely. Well, it's huge in your community, in the special force community, and it's in law enforcement and first responders now too. But the guy was telling you, Johnny Wilson, he's. He went and got some stuff because he was having still like ghost pain from his amputation. He had a motorcycle wreck and he actually saved himself with self up applicated tourniquet and stuff. But yeah, that's coming out a lot for people with pts.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, it's super helpful. It's. I told Brett and Tyler earlier this. This stuff actually saved my life and made me a much better person for it.

[Scott Payne]

Awesome, man.

[Host]

Elevated sound or elevated operator.com?

[Scott Payne]

Yep.

[Host]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

And. And it's just like a. It's damn near superfood for him to be like, hey, made me a better person. I mean, you were just a really, really shitty person. So for you to say it works, you know, I mean, I just. It works. I'm trying to sell the product.

[Host]

Now. He's super nice.

[Scott Payne]

What if you are a good person? Does it make you worse? Is it going to have a negative effect on me?

[Brent Tucker]

No, I'm a good person. I got.

[Scott Payne]

Dude, I want to get in my.

[Brent Tucker]

System right now and I'm feeling good.

[Scott Payne]

I will try it in the privacy of my home.

[Host]

Brent's got jokes.

[Scott Payne]

I gotta fly back tomorrow. I don't want to be home.

[Brent Tucker]

We got a lot of brothers in the community.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

You know, there's a lot of people going down that path, for sure. It's really helped them out.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And I. I'm. I'm not. I wouldn't say I'm like, I'm a huge, you know, you know, plant based, like, you know, all natural, you know, type person. But that being said, I'll tell you what I am. I'm pretty anti medicine, which. Which in a weird way, you're kind of saying the. The same thing. Yeah, I just sort of. Yeah, I'm very. We overly medicate. We're quick to medicate. Whatever the.

[Josh Burton]

They want just to keep you out of there.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, we keep on putting people on antidepressants.

[Josh Burton]

Sleeping pills.

[Brent Tucker]

Sleeping pills. And then. And then people take sleeping pills, antidepressants, they have a few drinks and they kill themselves.

[Josh Burton]

Yep.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Happens.

[Brent Tucker]

It happens all the time.

[Josh Burton]

Some of our friends.

[Scott Payne]

Now, I was gonna talk about him earlier.

[Brent Tucker]

I forgot to. But it's just. It's. It. So you. You tell me the amount of people on antidepressants not doing good, and then sit there and look me in my face, be like, oh, they work, do they?

[Scott Payne]

I tell you what, doesn't seem to be from personal experience, some of them, because depending on when they came out and which. What the insurance companies were covering and what farmers pushing, what, you try something and like, some of them are hard to come off of.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, like, you feel like you're coming. You have multiple anxiety attacks, you feel like you're coming out of your skin. Just trying to get off the stuff.

[Josh Burton]

So I'll tell you what, man, this. This stuff right here has helped me get off of everything the VA gave me, from Adderall to Trazodone to antidepressants, I don't take a thing anymore.

[Scott Payne]

How much do you take a day?

[Josh Burton]

Just one.

[Scott Payne]

Just one.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And I'm not. I'm not anti medicine at all. But. But what I'm frustrated at is why don't we try this first?

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And then if we need something outside the realm of normal, then let's like, let's back our way into that.

[Scott Payne]

But we're going.

[Brent Tucker]

But that's our very first thing.

[Host]

Josh touched on it and the episode we shot today was. I mean, he didn't say the word conspiracy, but this, all these plant based and earth based remedies were all, I mean, big. That big. Pharma kind of came in. Like, I believe that hundreds and I do covered it. And way back in the day, the newspaper industry and the hemp industry were going head to head, and they had to pick one, and I guess they lobbied better for the newspaper industry. So it demonized. And I don't know the details, but it demonized hemp, which essentially.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Josh Burton]

Well, I mean, Cove is a perfect example. Like, we all know at this point that big pharma runs America.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

There's no doubt about that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

So for them to get rid of anything that's cheap and natural and from the earth, it actually works. They're gonna bury it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I mean, these.

[Josh Burton]

These plant medicines have been around for thousands of years.

[Brent Tucker]

Thousands of years, and they've basically healed.

[Josh Burton]

And cured every psychological issue and even ailments. You know, tribes in. In South America and tribes in Africa still use them today.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

It's your Indians.

[Brent Tucker]

I know. They were here first. Right.

[Scott Payne]

Native American, for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah. Pete, if you listen. Yeah. And get our boys off and Bob Kennedy, you want to save some veterans. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

You know, we need to look at some alternative met. Go back to the old school stuff from the earth. That's what's working, for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

And to tie something back in earlier, the. Seriously, the amount of people. I'm just. Not to beat this dead horse, but. But I'm going to. The amount of people who are more concerned about Jews secretly running this country. I know. I'm come back to this. You should be way more concerned about what big Pharma is doing to this country. And if more people cared about that than what. Than what the Jews are doing, we. We could actually maybe, you know, move. Move the needle, bro.

[Scott Payne]

Look at some of the medicines. Like, my mom has a. Has had a lot of medical issues, but she. She's had, like, her entire large intestine removed. Almost all of her colon removed. More small intestine. So she. Her body, it's literally like almost like a bird. She eats it, goes right through it. Right. So she's not getting the nutrients. There was this stuff called Gaddocks.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Scott Payne]

And it was gonna be like. It was gonna be literally like. Man, I want to say it was like $60,000 a month. It might have been more than that. It was crazy. But then one phone call was made and says, if she doesn't take it, she'll die. And they're like, oh, okay, we'll give it to you for free. I'm like, how in the hell do you go from hundreds of Thousands of dollars to. It's free. And it's just. I don't know, whatever. It's. But it's kind of everything for me is going full circle. Like, you're saying plant based. Well, that's what we used to do, right? You people who are gluten intolerant, look at what we've done with our wheat. You know, remember when it was like, fake sugar was better than real sugar? No, real sugar is better than fake sugar. Fake butter. Oh, my gosh, man. I mean, like, real butter's got two ingredients.

[Josh Burton]

It's funny how it's all coming back full circle.

[Scott Payne]

What is that? What's the stuff?

[Brent Tucker]

And. And what's crazy about.

[Scott Payne]

What is it called? My wife wanted me to get it.

[Brent Tucker]

The other day, but back then, the people who are pushing this wrong information.

[Scott Payne]

Fat. Some kind of fat.

[Brent Tucker]

They were doctors, you know, and so they're going to sit there, right? And they're going to say, oh, like, yeah, you think you know more than doctors? Not. Not always. But I'm. But there is evidence everywhere that says, guess what? They're not always right. And you can do your own research.

[Scott Payne]

I will say this, though. I'm not a doctor, but you. But what else I know, right? Played one. I was undercover as well.

[Brent Tucker]

On tv.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I was actually undercover as FBI agent. That's the best one. No, hell, I lost it. I don't know. You call me. You called me off.

[Josh Burton]

You were trying to think of ghee earlier, weren't you?

[Scott Payne]

No, it's. It's some kind of, like, fat. It's.

[Super Chat Moderator]

They're saying tallow.

[Scott Payne]

Tala. Thank you.

[Brent Tucker]

Nice. So face.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, no, hey, man, whatever. But. So, like, we're kind of. Kind of in the same realm, but, like, my friends are owners of CPI stem cells.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Scott Payne]

Sell your performance institute. So Joe talks about them all the time.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

They're officially partnered with ufc. I've now gone down to Tijuana twice. Right?

[Brent Tucker]

We're gonna bring that over here.

[Scott Payne]

Well, I don't think they are. Because talking to them works.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, because.

[Scott Payne]

Well, now. But hang on, hang on. Because, well, right now in the States, you can't do what they do over there. So you say Tijuana. I was sketch, bro. I was. I was very sus. Because I worked the border. I worked cartel. I went down there. They have it down to a science. You go to San Diego, you stay at the marina, or you stay at the Sheraton Marina. They pick you up the next morning, they drive you in, they do all the blood Work. This is a state of the art facility. The, the last hospital stay I had before I went to Tijuana, I almost died. I had a hip replacement. It was the quickest surgery I ever had. You're on the table 30 minutes. 13 days later, full blown sepsis. I had two hip replacements in 14 days.

[Josh Burton]

And your wrestling career is over.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, hey, I didn't give a damn about wrestling. I was speaking tongues and stuff. But, but I go there and it's fully staffed. It's a family, everybody's taking care of you. Best food you can have. But what they do there, if you get stem cells here in the States, it's going to be like bovine or your own body fat. It would be like me giving you a gallon of orange juice and it being 10% orange juice. Yeah. So here in the States, I would say do prp and you go there. And by the way, for everybody, this is a first. This is a military and first responder crowd. Yeah. They now have the Miracle Hope foundation that'll help you. They raise money for people to help you to go down there. And I'm telling you, best hospital stay. The stuff they're doing down there is insane because it's umbilical cord donations. Right. And it's. And they, they have a way to expand them. There's. Okay, so it'll probably get to a point to where it's going to be in the States, but they'll probably still manufacture it and stuff there and bring it in. But they're working with RFK Jr. We're.

[Josh Burton]

We'Re actually sending a lot of our guys down to Columbia.

[Scott Payne]

That's another one. Really?

[Josh Burton]

Same thing.

[Scott Payne]

Really good bio accelerator or something like that.

[Josh Burton]

They give you the real stuff. But the big difference down there is they're going to give you like 10 times the legal limit of here in the States and you need that much for it to actually work.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, Another good point. I'll play off of that for you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

So a friend of mine's friend went to somewhere in Nashville. They had to take his own body fat and stuff, create the stuff he was only. It takes like, I don't know, five weeks, a month or more. All he, all he was going to get was an injection of 1 million stem cells that came from his own body fat. I went down for my first trip. I got 20 million in my right shoulder. I got 10 million in my left shoulder. My neck was way worse than I thought. I got million in my neck. Three levels of disc, three levels of facets.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

And I went for my six month follow up. And you can see where the bulging disc are coming in. You can see where the vertebrae that has been this tight for I don't know how many years, it's now growing because the disc is growing back.

[Josh Burton]

Who's.

[Brent Tucker]

Whoa. Who's. 70 million. Your neck.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. 70 million in my neck. And then I got. And then I got 120 million in an IV overall.

[Brent Tucker]

How do you know who's counting those?

[Scott Payne]

It's a very good point.

[Brent Tucker]

I got questions, but they're my boys.

[Josh Burton]

It worked.

[Scott Payne]

Right? And I'll be like you, son, but you also, while you're there, you're getting Myers cocktails. You're getting a hyperbaric oxygen chamber.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

The NAD drip, which is like a youth cereal. That's insane. So.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

And. And you're getting the ozone. Great stuff. They're doing some amazing things down there.

[Host]

I just want them to bring hair plugs to the United states. It's. It's $6,000 to go to Turkey.

[Scott Payne]

I keep hearing Turkey all the time.

[Host]

And it's 20. $20,000 to get them done here.

[Brent Tucker]

Damn. Yeah.

[Host]

And the $6,000 is airfare. Stay Operation Airfare back.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm. I'm thinking about it. What? Oh, yeah.

[Host]

Maybe we can plug them on Anti Hero and get free hair.

[Brent Tucker]

Maybe we could plug them. Scott, what are you talking about? Trying to. Trying to empathize with us. Look at that. You don't. Your hairline just. Yeah, it's. I'm upset about.

[Scott Payne]

These are smoking mirrors, man.

[Brent Tucker]

These are smoking mirrors.

[Scott Payne]

I'm hanging. I'm hanging. Owned by a thread. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

What do we got? This super chats.

[Host]

Josh has got some good hair.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, it's just gray, that's all.

[Host]

Yeah, that's the easiest mix.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I won't do it. I broke down and. And did it. Doesn't make it right. You did the mirror too. That doesn't make it right. But your hair. I did. My hair does. It's really in my beard. Yeah. But with that, I just lost all respect. Yeah. Well, thank you. It. It was more. It was more of a costume type. Type thing. We went. We went back at Halloween. It. Well, it wasn't as I went to a rock concert. I wore all black and then. And I blacked out my beard is what I had. Like, I bought like. It was like over the time, I bought a bunch of like Amazon black jewelry, black jeans, black booze. Yeah. Were you going to the Cry Party? That's. Oh, what's the Cry party this year. Do you know?

[Josh Burton]

No idea.

[Brent Tucker]

No idea. Okay. I did. That was the last time I saw you. You were walking out of the cry party as I was walking in.

[Josh Burton]

Y.

[Brent Tucker]

And. And you're like, I leave early. Yeah. Yeah. And then you told me, like, I leave early, and I walked in there, and I was like, I know why Josh leaves early. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

It was just getting started, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

It's the perfect time to leave.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. That was my first time. You know, everyone knows how epic. Or you hear about the cry parties at Shot show, and I finally got to go to one. That was my first time going to one.

[Josh Burton]

Well, let's make sure you're there next year.

[Brent Tucker]

All right? We'll go. I'll go a little earlier with you, and we'll do the anti hero podcast from Shot show from the Cry party.

[Scott Payne]

All right, That'll get the cry booth.

[Brent Tucker]

That'll. That'll get crazy. Oh, from the cry booth. That booth is so ridiculous. I'm so jealous of your booth. Anyway, that's. It's a weird thing to say. We get it.

[Scott Payne]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Host]

Super chat.

[Josh Burton]

That's kind of gay.

[Scott Payne]

There was a lot of softballs there. Tossed up, but I'll let them go.

[Host]

Bradley, if you don't interrupt us, we'll never stop.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Stephen Wash with $2, one swipe plus. Plus. Well, I don't know what that means, but misfit seven with 100 bucks.

[Host]

Damn.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you.

[Super Chat Moderator]

What's up, boys? So what's the big news coming out? Love the show. Final song. Collapsed by War of Ages.

[Scott Payne]

There you go.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Thursday night or Reese Anderson. Thursday nights are for the boys. What are y' all's cigars of choice? I really like the Bravos.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Almost got your brother. You got an Alpha. That was our first cigar. That's at Habano. I'm smoking. I'm smoking a Delta. What are you. What are you smoking over there?

[Scott Payne]

Magnet.

[Brent Tucker]

A line? Arms. What. What type of cigar? Maduro.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. What you got going over there, Josh? I got the Delta as well, but.

[Host]

The Bravos have my heart.

[Scott Payne]

Do they?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, It's a smoky room.

[Scott Payne]

Will you.

[Brent Tucker]

You're usually an Alpha smoker.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, Last night. I don't know what I'm smoking.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, this, this, or yesterday? Yeah, this. We got six, seven cigars going on in this room right now. Your eyes will be feeling it. As long as you feel it tomorrow.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Jefferson. Newbie. So my girl was doing dishes. I asked. She said, go watch your stupid man podcast. Now she's doing dishes at the shelter. Like you sit down to pee, woman. So now she's doing dishes at the Celtic.

[Scott Payne]

We got.

[Brent Tucker]

We got men in the chat, you know, we got men in the chat. I assume that's a true story. I believe for sure, yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Gotta be.

[Host]

I'd like to believe it.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Stephen Walsh again. Would the FBI take an old man like me? What is your opinion of an age of age and experience?

[Host]

37.

[Brent Tucker]

If you told us your age, we'd have it. We'd be better equipped to answer.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, it depends on what crowd I'm in. Sometimes I'm the young chap, sometimes I'm the old man. How do you cut 54?

[Brent Tucker]

54?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. The cutoff is 37.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

They may make an exception here and there for military, but no for FBI. Okay, but.

[Host]

I meant like. Like if you have military prior.

[Josh Burton]

Military, maybe.

[Scott Payne]

Maybe There might be a few case by case base. But I don't know, man. I'm. I'm a firm believer in experience. But I will tell you, and it's sad to say, but a lot of times, going around the country putting on training for law enforcement, sometimes that person with 30 or 40 years experience isn't the one.

[Brent Tucker]

You've got a bunch of bad habits sometimes.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. You've been taught wrong. Was it. They say, you learn something wrong, it takes a thousand reps to fix it. But if you to teach right, it's 100 reps, you know? So, yeah, I'm with you. But I also will say that you have to be honest with yourself. We're all type A personalities, and it's very hard for us to say no. Or we might say no to you. Like, I'm looking at the room and going, hey, I'm the undercover coordinator. You're the undercover. You're not going in. That's too damn dangerous. But in my mind, I might be going, but I could do it. That's. That's our. That's our problem. So sometimes you got to know when it's a young man's game. And you got to pull chalks now. That doesn't mean you're dead. Yeah, you can still train and get out of shape slower, as I say, you know, Father times undefeated. But I wait up and smack him in the mouth every morning. But, yeah, yeah, I'm like, let's go, you know?

[Brent Tucker]

All right, Mr.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Polite. Bert, can we get you to talk about the best recruiting ad in the world? The Delta ad with the ac, DC and Motley.

[Host]

Yes, it is.

[Super Chat Moderator]

It's got Pat Mack in it. But I'm sure there's some other legends. Let me know when you're in Indiana again.

[Host]

Shoot the thrill, Josh.

[Scott Payne]

Dude stuff. Wednesday. Basic dude stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

Tell me, would you. Do you remember when you first saw that recruiting video? You know, what you weren't talking about?

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. It's on YouTube now, and I think it has been for a little bit.

[Host]

That's when I saw it was on YouTube.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I saw it. I was. I was on nodier in Iraq and like, it. I think it was on YouTube then, is what I want to say. I saw it like, hey, and it, like, it hit every. Like, the Delta Force recruiting videos on YouTube. And I went and watched it, and my mind was blown. And I was just like, I. I have to be there one day. I have to at least try.

[Josh Burton]

That wasn't it for me.

[Brent Tucker]

Got my juices.

[Josh Burton]

I'll tell you what it was for me.

[Brent Tucker]

What was.

[Josh Burton]

Was sitting in a blocking position as a young Ranger watching Delta do all the fun and cool all the time.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

From the outside, like, staring at him.

[Brent Tucker]

There's a. There's a big difference there. Yeah. At sf, like an oda, we don't get a whiff of the unit you probably never saw. Never saw him. I saw what I thought was the unit once in Biop when I saw some little birds take off during the daytime and just leave, you know, 100ft off the ground going somewhere, and I'm like, I guess that's the unit. They look pretty cool. I. I assume they are. And that's as close as. That's as close as we ever got. Like, they were. They were as mythical to us of sorts as. As anyone else in the military. We had no. No interaction with them. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Quite different being in a regiment.

[Scott Payne]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

But I'll tell you what was cool. I'll tell you what was super cool, because that video did have an impact on me. I remember going to. We'll just say a part of the compound in OTC and getting ready to hit a building and being like, I know this building. I'm gonna hit the building that I watched on a video that I jerked off to. I know this range. Yeah. Yeah. That was really cool experience, like, being there and seeing it, you know, from being a. Correlate it from the video.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Back man Union. Front to back. Half bent over. Not a full standing position. Thursdays are always for the boys.

[Host]

Very descriptive.

[Brent Tucker]

A little too.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Gooch parm. Actual tuning in from Flagstaff. Headed back to willing Wilmington, North Carolina, tomorrow. Shout out to Vinnie Paul in the middle. Keep killing it, boys.

[Scott Payne]

All right. All right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Richard Hole with $10. No message.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, hold on.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I just went down to the bottom.

[Brent Tucker]

That's all right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Tim Huns for $10. I don't turn on the lights or sit down. I listen for the proper sounding splash in the center.

[Josh Burton]

That's my boy.

[Host]

Right?

[Super Chat Moderator]

I use the Swiffer mop in the morning in case it's not obvious I live alone.

[Brent Tucker]

It's the obvious. I live.

[Scott Payne]

Hope you're changing out the Swiffer.

[Host]

Probably not a three day guy.

[Brent Tucker]

He lives alone. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Same. Same rag you use for the toilet, you use for the sink. And you dry your hands off and wipe your mouth.

[Josh Burton]

I got some.

[Brent Tucker]

Sorry about that.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Darren with $200.

[Host]

Damn. Thank you.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that's Bow.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Will there ever be a show on the lone female gb? What are your thoughts on it? Play George Thor. Thoro. Good one. One scotch, one beer.

[Scott Payne]

Bats are a good.

[Brent Tucker]

So that's very good.

[Scott Payne]

And the Destroyers.

[Brent Tucker]

Fun fact about that. I'll get back to answering this. That I thought that was a black dude for a long time until I finally saw a video and I was like, oh my gosh.

[Scott Payne]

It's very racist.

[Brent Tucker]

That's. That's a white dude. He just for whatever reason just sounded like a very like Southern. Like southern jazz type of. I just sound. In my mind he was a black dude.

[Scott Payne]

But he's blues. I mean.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, yeah. Where'd the blues come from?

[Brent Tucker]

For sure.

[Scott Payne]

You know.

[Brent Tucker]

Darren Beheeler, aka Bo, I was in SFAS with, with that guy. We were both 18 echoes together. He ended up going to 10th group and I went to 20th group. He was. He. I believe he was the first guy to. To jump. To jump a dog. Mff. At least. At least at group.

[Scott Payne]

And something different from my world, bro.

[Brent Tucker]

He's. He's.

[Scott Payne]

He's.

[Brent Tucker]

He's a good old Texas boy and he's one of the funniest people I know. He's one of the good. He was one of the goodest people I know too. You need to have bow on just.

[Scott Payne]

To do Amos Moses. Oh my gosh.

[Brent Tucker]

The outro song will be Amos Mosen and he will be singing it. He can't help himself. He can't help himself. Are we ever gonna do a show on the lone female Green Beret?

[Host]

I've never heard of that.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know what they're. There is a female Green Beret that. That made it through the Q course. Has a tab.

[Host]

What, in your opinion or do you know if it was a fair course?

[Brent Tucker]

Like, she did it. It was not a fair course. She didn't deserve it. Like, Like. I hate to say it. I hate to say it. Like every female in special operations, the standards were lowered. People like, like Ranger School.

[Host]

When I heard about the girls in Ranger School and I was like, president Obama is going to be at their graduation. I was like, well, they guaranteed to pass.

[Josh Burton]

They're graduating.

[Host]

Yeah, they're. No one's gonna go, hey, Mr. President, they didn't pass, so turn the plane around. Like they're passing.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And in a weird way, they, they put them on a pedestal. Like, look what they've done. When they did the absolute opposite for them. Like, they made them question the school. They made them question whether they deserve to be there. They did nothing but put their, Their, their profession there in question. They did them no favors.

[Scott Payne]

Sad, because I'm all about girl power. Like I said, I got. I got. Oh, all girls. So I'm all about the.

[Brent Tucker]

I. When I went to the senior leader course, a knock. I'll. I'll tell the story real quick. The swick sergeant major comes in and someone asks like, hey, I hear you. I hear you guys are going to let a girl into to selection. Is that true? This is like 2012, 13. I can't remember what, what year it was. And he's like, yeah, if a girl wants to come through our selection, I'll let her. And I was like, oh, great. Here's. Like, here's, here's this guy even, like, admitting to it, lowering the standards. And then he actually caught me for a loop on the second half. And he goes, he goes, but you know what? If our standards are so low and our course is so easy that a girl can make it, we got bigger problems. And I was like, you know what? I'll. I'll. I'll take that. I'll take that answer. Yeah, but here's. I, I did a. I. I got.

[Josh Burton]

Can I interrupt?

[Brent Tucker]

Yep, please do.

[Josh Burton]

I see one of the chats up here. Jay Byrne. Keep it up, brother. Going clean on alcohol for a while.

[Brent Tucker]

Where you at? A year.

[Josh Burton]

I am a week away from my birthday.

[Scott Payne]

That's all I'm gonna be in a year.

[Brent Tucker]

That's awesome.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, I'm very happy about it.

[Scott Payne]

I decided to throw that out there and that's helped. All right.

[Josh Burton]

That helped tremendously.

[Scott Payne]

Awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, here's. Here's what kills me. I'll just. I gotta get up on my. On my soapbox real quick. Why? What is Our obsession with female Green Berets, female Rangers, making it happen. Why is it when the security of our nation is on the line, it doesn't matter. We have to have girls there. But when it comes to the NBA, when it comes to Super Bowls, you. You can't. Where is the uproar? And be like, you know what? The New England Patriots better have a female on their team by next year. Or. Or. Or. You're sexist.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, right.

[Brent Tucker]

The. The Olympics are so sexist. They separate the Olympics. So in order to have a gold medal, you have to be a girl, and you can't compete with the guys. How sexist is that? But guess what? We accept it. Because otherwise, a girl would never have a gold medal in anything ever. So we accept that. So why is it in special operations, you're like, no, a girl can do anything a guy can do. Stop it. Just stop it.

[Scott Payne]

I saw GI Jane. Looked pretty believable to me.

[Brent Tucker]

Ah, that was. That's my weakling to the argument. I hate that you brought that up.

[Scott Payne]

You're right.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Scott Payne]

You're right. Movies, man.

[Josh Burton]

That was the Navy, though.

[Brent Tucker]

Hollywood. All right, what else we got? I'm done.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I'm off my soapbox weasel with 60 bucks. Some more for Zoner. Had the opportunity to teach the tow to some of Brent's boys from the brag from Bragg back in 2017 before deployment to an unnamed desert country. Best class I had in three years at the heavy weapons leader course.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm. I may have been there at that. At that.

[Scott Payne]

At that.

[Brent Tucker]

Trading. I. I went to a random. A random.

[Josh Burton]

Base course.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I think it was held on, like, a Saturday, too. And I was like. But I think it was the only time we could get the range. We went to a random range in Fort Bragg and got on the. Got on the TOW missile systems because we were. We were using them. It might have needed them. Yeah, and we did use them. We did use them. And we were asking all sorts of weird questions because they were like. Like, hey, how far can you, like, Can. Can you make this thing turn? Because it's on a wire. It's guided. But, like, how much? They're like, we don't know. Why don't you know this? He's like, hey, we get to fire, like, one or two TOW missiles a year. And when we fire them, it's usually for, like, some, like, you know, colonel test, like, and we have to hit. And they're like. And we. We must have brought out. I don't know how many TOW missiles we Brought out. We're like, well, today's the day to find out. Let's see how, how far we can curve these things. You're like, they're like hell. Hell yeah.

[Josh Burton]

So real world story.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

2015, Syria. We're on the front light from with ISIS.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

They send a like homemade V bit, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Massive like semi truck that just steel plated out with cage around it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

This was loaded down. Luckily we had a tow up there on the line.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Do you care which type shot that bit?

[Brent Tucker]

They're great.

[Josh Burton]

Nothing else would have stopped it.

[Brent Tucker]

This is, this is what was really, really surprising to me about those tow missile systems. The dragon's breath of fire. The back blasts of those things are unlike anything else I've. I've ever seen. It is amazing the flame that goes out the back of those things when they fire. I mean it's got 30, 40ft. I mean my main. Maybe hope I'm not exaggerating, but I tell you, it was.

[Josh Burton]

I remember that.

[Brent Tucker]

I was like, holy crap. It's why when we had our turrets are the, like the turret of it. The, the back of the turret. You have to drop the back plate to it otherwise it'll burn. It'll burn you up in there. It's. It really. It is the, the back blast on.

[Scott Payne]

Those are things you need to know.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

You want to know that before you fire.

[Josh Burton]

This is a good one, Brent. Curves, toes like Angelina curves. Bullets.

[Scott Payne]

Wanted. Yeah, I've tried that at the range. It doesn't work.

[Brent Tucker]

Those two missiles, I don't think we've updated those things since Vietnam. There. They work, but they work. Yeah, but they work. They work for sure. Save my ass. Yeah. What else we got, Brad?

[Super Chat Moderator]

We got the Chungus among us. My team had a guy jump, a support guy, tandem full wall, locker two and the passenger panic. Release combat equipment on the hill.

[Brent Tucker]

On the hill, which is, you know, basically on like within the first couple seconds of. Of exiting. Like he. On times he, he, he lost it quick. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Defecated. Is that what we're saying?

[Brent Tucker]

No, this looks like he like basically on the hill. It's like a hill of air that hits you when you. When you jump off. And it sounds like he released his combat equipment right away. That would have been ugly. Yeah. Yeah. Hope he didn't have anything important in there. You ain't finding that. Mark that location.

[Scott Payne]

There you go. Stephen Walsh.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Kidneys and liver.

[Brent Tucker]

Safe.

[Super Chat Moderator]

High tower with 20 bucks with another blank message. I wonder if he's trying to type something and it's just like.

[Brent Tucker]

It's not working. I hope not.

[Scott Payne]

All right, I like this next one coming up.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Wesley with a hundred dollars.

[Josh Burton]

Wesley again.

[Brent Tucker]

Wesley.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I'm a doc. Big pharma is the enemy. Eat real food. Minimize. Minimize refined sugar. Exercise, keep moving. Be a hunter, gatherer. Peace sells. For the Outro.

[Josh Burton]

Thanks.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, yeah. Sugar is as a beast.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

It's an addiction. I mean, it's legit.

[Brent Tucker]

It is an addiction. It's 100 an addiction.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Matt S. Scott, have you ever been to Knoxville, Tennessee, or did training with the FBI at a local agency around Knoxville?

[Scott Payne]

I guess now. Well, it's kind of in the. But yeah, it's kind of. I usually don't say I'm. I live in Knoxville. Knoxville, yeah. Yes, I have. I was the. I moved to Knoxville in 2008 and at the FBI office, I. I was the lead tactical instructor.

[Brent Tucker]

Firearms.

[Scott Payne]

Let's see. Tactical firearms doesn't make a to you guys, but defensive tactics instructor and active shooter response. So yeah, I probably did and I still train around there.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, Jennison. Well, you guys should try to get Marcus capone on former ST6 guy that's really deep into psychedelics and helping guys.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Josh Burton]

Yep. Real well.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Joe Sand, Saunders, Brent. Be proud if I, if, if have gray in your beard. I definitely earned all of mine.

[Scott Payne]

I'm vain. I still D mine, bro.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that's for sure.

[Scott Payne]

I can't do this. There's a new pro hit me on Instagram. Simply. Simply Hair. It's natural. It's way better than, like, using just for me.

[Josh Burton]

That's the prince go to.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, it is, dude. Simply Hair, man. It lasts longer too. Those aren't beards.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I got. Got some people texting me about the. The female green beret. Fun fact. She went to 10th group and had an accidental discharge through her apartment wall.

[Scott Payne]

Whoa.

[Brent Tucker]

You think. You think standards matter? You know what? I doubt she lost her beret over it because she was a female. I'll.

[Scott Payne]

I'll ask to see if she did bash females. I'm gonna be quiet.

[Brent Tucker]

Quiet. We're not bashing females. We're not bashing females.

[Scott Payne]

I'm just messing. No, you're telling. You're talking standards and it's true.

[Super Chat Moderator]

You want me to continue while you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Message Kenny with $10. Follow up to panic chat. Just bought tablets. Payment was declined through website, but went through my bank DM the Instagram screenshots. Thanks for what you do, gents. Rangers lead the way. Ten more for Eminem.

[Brent Tucker]

Nice.

[Josh Burton]

Thanks, Kenny.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Jennison Thursday nights makes the hot Phoenix garage gym an awesome time.

[Brent Tucker]

Thanks, fellas.

[Josh Burton]

I live in Phoenix, so I totally get that comment.

[Scott Payne]

I got plenty of kin folk there, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Arizona, That's a dry heat.

[Josh Burton]

I'm like, it's still 130.

[Scott Payne]

Like, I'm in a hairdryer. Yeah. I'm like, what is. What the hell is going on? Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

My wife won't let me move the gym inside.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[Brent Tucker]

So selfish.

[Scott Payne]

But when I was in McAllen, so. McAllen, Texas on the border. It's. It's called the Texas Tropics. Tropics. It's very, very humid there. And it would crack me up to go to a gym and they'd have a sauna. I'm like, why just go get in the garage?

[Josh Burton]

Funny, I just got a song.

[Scott Payne]

I'm like, man, and if you're cocky, climb up in the attic. But let somebody know you're there to check on you for 10 minutes.

[Brent Tucker]

Man. I just went to a sauna in Hollywood, Florida, and it was a 180 degrees in that sauna. Yeah. Is that a normal temperature? I felt like I've been in saunas before. I felt like this one was unusually hot.

[Scott Payne]

But okay, 180 is about right. Right. 18200 Y. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Geez.

[Host]

He's not a sauna connoisseur.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, yeah. You want it to.

[Josh Burton]

You can barely stand where you can.

[Brent Tucker]

Barely survive 20 minutes.

[Josh Burton]

You got to get the out that's doing the. Doing the magic.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Depends on what gym, though. They normally only go up to like 140.

[Josh Burton]

You're right.

[Brent Tucker]

That's why.

[Josh Burton]

Because if you're not breaking a sweat within like two, three minutes, it's not hot enough.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Weasel with 50 bucks. His owner again. Mine was three guys that came down to Benning for a week. You must have gotten a class from some 82nd D CO guys. If you'd asked that question to me or either of my instructors, you wouldn't have gotten. I don't know as an answer.

[Brent Tucker]

Let them have it.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Love it, Mr. Ply. Did you guys see the US army cutting the pay for non combat jobs with jump and increasing the pay for the combat jobs next year? Jump will get a 50 bump and Jump Master will get a 200.

[Josh Burton]

I didn't see that, but that's great.

[Brent Tucker]

I agree with that.

[Josh Burton]

I proposed that like 20 years ago because. And they do know how much the military just. The army spends for people to Be on jump status that will never jump in their life.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I've always railed against that.

[Host]

I.

[Josh Burton]

It's a. Benny. I get it. Like, oh, you're airborne, but you're never.

[Brent Tucker]

Going to jump into human resources in the 82nd. Is never jumping in with.

[Scott Payne]

So. So they're saying that if you do actually jump, you're going to get a no.

[Josh Burton]

Apparently they're cutting back the pay on support.

[Scott Payne]

Okay.

[Josh Burton]

And they gave a bump to the people that might actually jump tree or somebody.

[Brent Tucker]

And a significant bump to jump masters. As you should. The jump masters are doing all. Yeah, everyone's jump is riding on you. Why are we. Why have we not been paying jump.

[Scott Payne]

Masters more before this, you guys in the military? See, because we. I saw it a lot in law enforcement where somebody. It's just a notch on their belt. They become. They. They make it. They get it. They're a firearms instructor. They're squat certified. So now they can apply to be a tactical instructor. They get the tactical instructor position, but they never teach, they never train.

[Josh Burton]

That happens.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. This one.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it happens.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, let's see. Dalton Fisher podcast. $20.

[Host]

Dalton.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Big country in the house. Sup, boys? Great to see this.

[Scott Payne]

What's up, brother?

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. Yeah. You did Dalton Fisher show as well.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. Thanks to Dalton for driving me to New York City. Because if I would have taken an Uber or a taxi, I would definitely my next gig.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Misfit13actual. First question is for Drew. Drew is not here. Fave Brent Story Growing up. Guest recommendation. Kyle Steiner, SF from Restrepo Outro. Strong is Brent Outro. Song is for Brent to toss a table three shades of black. HW3 love you, boys. All love from SD California. Let's go, Steiner.

[Host]

We're in. He's. He's. We're in talks with him.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Yeah. Nice.

[Host]

He's a. He's.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Host]

If anybody's not seen that. That Netflix documentary Restrepo Valley, I know.

[Josh Burton]

A couple of kids that were on that.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, they were.

[Host]

They said that's the most combat people infantry scenes since Vietnam.

[Brent Tucker]

I believe that that was a bad situation. Yeah. Those guys saw more combat and were worse situations in that one deployment that I was. Than I've ever been in. One deployment.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah. They were in a bad spot.

[Brent Tucker]

They were in a bad spot. Yep.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, Matt S. Scott, I seen you years ago at the shoot house in Knoxville. You probably know which one I am talking about. I work in the area.

[Scott Payne]

Well, that's awesome. And I'm assuming that's Gonna be the Knoxville PD Range unless we were up at Oak Ridge. They got a nice shoot house there too.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Adam W. Keep up to great work. Great work guys. FRCC Delta all day. All day and last one as of now, Nate, Spence, Skyler and Britney. Much respect. Sure do appreciate the content. Keep up the good work.

[Brent Tucker]

A thank you, brother.

[Josh Burton]

Hey, all your. All your coffee drinkers out there, we need to get some of these. Obviously some of these guys don't drink your coffee, so they need to be drinking our tea.

[Brent Tucker]

So this is.

[Scott Payne]

Tell me about this tea.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And, and, and I, I. Well, of course we stole our description off off off your website as. As we should. But. But there, but there was some stuff on the website like I wanted to bring over. I didn't want a description to be so long. But you have like the benefits of, of microdosing and what, and what it does. What it does for you mentally. Can you talk about that real, real quick?

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, I mean that's, that's a very. Yeah subject but real quick micro dosing and there's been tons of studies lately. It's been proven to increase neuroplastic plasticity in the brain. So basically you're. You're reconnecting brain cells and neurons.

[Scott Payne]

Right.

[Josh Burton]

It's lifting the brain fog.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Josh Burton]

That we all have that bad problem with curing anxiety. Like I said earlier, I was able to get off all my meds.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

So it does numerous. Has numerous benefits.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And you know, one of the things I suggested. And some people can do it. Some people, it'd be great. And if you could, I would say this is what you should do is hey, get off. Heck, I should do it too. But get off all white monsters. Supplement it with tea. Microducing tea. Get the caffeine from tea. Get your energy. That's a smoother, healthier a substance. But hey, if you can't do that. And I mean this like, but you go. Everyone does it. They go through the. The.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

I just got introduced to energy drinks. This one energy drink is great, but then it's not enough. And then you have two a day and then you have three a day. And now is actually like when, when, when you're in. In a hurting. Everything should be done in moderation.

[Josh Burton]

We had a long discussion.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Take back those three monsters a day. Come down to one, have you supplement it with. With some tea.

[Scott Payne]

Take a week off, bro. Yeah, I take a week off. I'll take four days off of coffee. I'll make one Cup. And I'm like, holy.

[Brent Tucker]

I am telling you, some people are looking. You say, I can't take bad headaches.

[Host]

So I'm addicted to caffeine, so.

[Brent Tucker]

Which is why I'm like, then don't take a week off. Replace it with something healthier.

[Josh Burton]

Our green tea is the perfect replacement for that. And it's a very smooth caffeine and energy, very clean energy.

[Scott Payne]

That's good. So you don't get that big spike. I don't do this. Monsters and stuff. Because one time. Well, it's gone. I think it was the second one you popped, too.

[Brent Tucker]

This guy knows what he's talking about.

[Scott Payne]

Not that I'm judging or anything or paying attention, but I stopped all that crap because when I crashed, which we talked about yesterday, but when I crashed, mentally and physically, I was a walking zombie. Like, I. It was before the energy drinks, but. Hydroxy cuts. Yeah. Like, I was. I was. I was in Daytona undercover with the Outlaws. And it's one of those mornings you wake up and you can literally hear and feel the whiskey and eggs swishing in your belly, you know? And you're like, that's the biker life. But I'm like, I get hard. Whatever. Yeah. That's the only cover live, too, I guess, Depending on who you're infiltrating. But I'm like. I'm like, I'm gonna do a workout. So I'm in the. I'm in the. But this is what I did before I did the workout, because I'm a walking zombie. I have my inhaler. I have my decongestants. I have my antihistamines. I make the strongest coffee I can make and have two cups. And I take three hydroxy cuts before I even start. I'm not even awake yet.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

As I learned, that is kind of a cocktail for an anxiety attack.

[Brent Tucker]

It's just putting jumper. It's like putting jumper cables on your heart.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. So when I tell the doctor everything I had, the doctor's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm just trying to make it. But so. So I stopped all that. So all for caffeine. It's just coffee for me. I don't even take any of this.

[Josh Burton]

Get you on some tea.

[Scott Payne]

Let's do it.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah. And.

[Scott Payne]

And, like, I'm gonna be the. I'm gonna be the project for. What's the company again?

[Josh Burton]

Elevated.

[Scott Payne]

Elevated Operator. I'm going. I'm getting higher.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm going higher. And they. I'm send you Some.

[Scott Payne]

Let's do it.

[Brent Tucker]

And I've had a sleeping problem for a long time. And when you introduce this to me. Yeah. Like, like everyone else, I've tried everything. Nothing works. And I was like, well, you know, we sell it on. On our website as well. So I took one of the, the, the night ops bags off the line. Like, well, I'm gonna take this home with me because you're just looking for an answer, something that, that'll help. And, And I. Every night I take it, you know, I. I don't. I don't travel well with it.

[Josh Burton]

And.

[Brent Tucker]

And I hate it when. I don't know. And the nights where I'm too busy to go down there and get into a good routine and make sure I have that tea, I wake up the next day, I'm like, why don't I go down there and make that tea? Yeah, it's true.

[Scott Payne]

I want to get on something personal for me. My oldest daughter suffers big time with insomnia.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Scott Payne]

And. And the sleeping pills, as we've kind of mentioned earlier, like Ambien, look like.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, okay.

[Scott Payne]

You take it and two and a half hours later, you wake up, right. You don't know where the hell you're at. You're hungover the next day. So I'm looking for anything. We are looking for something she can try. So let's keep talking because. Yeah, because if it helps her sleep, bro, that is. That is a game changer.

[Brent Tucker]

Ambien is also notorious for now. If you have insomnia and you can't sleep at all, light sleep is better than no sleep. And that. And that, that, that is. That is a fact. But Ambien is really notorious for keeping you out of deep sleep. Sleep.

[Josh Burton]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

So, yes.

[Scott Payne]

That's why you never enter already.

[Brent Tucker]

That's why you feel hungover when you wake up. That's why you don't feel good because you never got any REM sleep.

[Josh Burton]

We've ridden the A train many times. We got some funny stories.

[Brent Tucker]

I have a funny. A trade story.

[Scott Payne]

We all got them.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Host]

And we gotta take a commercial break for. For Hal Arms and Brotherhood Blades.

[Scott Payne]

All right, all right. There you go.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Host]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Scott Payne]

This is a godsend.

[Super Chat Moderator]

We're back.

[Scott Payne]

This right here is divine intervention is what that is for me.

[Host]

Well, everybody's still taking a pee break, so while they're doing that, let's talk about your book.

[Scott Payne]

Was I being recorded just then? Because I was talking about my daughter.

[Super Chat Moderator]

And stuff for like the very, very last.

[Host]

Okay, cool.

[Scott Payne]

All right. I mean I'll kind of say it. She's gonna get pissed at me.

[Super Chat Moderator]

But nothing sensitive was.

[Scott Payne]

No, no, no, that's good. My book. Ready? All right, so I'm an idiot. I didn't bring one, but I know, right? Twice I'm like, I packed quick. It was, it was a quick trip. Book is called code name Pale Horse. It's me. If you look at the. If you look at the COVID of the book, it's this side of my face, this Crow Magnum thing. Because on Amazon there's A lot of scams on there. It'll be like, Agent Pale Horse Workbook, and they use AI and change stuff, but Simon and Schuster, codename Pale Horse, it's basically an autobiography, but it's all my undercover stuff. So if. Chapter one, quick synopsis of me growing up and what I consider my first time using an undercover technique. Chapter two is me becoming a cop and a vice narcotics investigator. Some scary stories there. Chapter three and on is all FBI undercovers. Okay, but it's not just white supremacy. It's public corruption. It's murder for hires. It's bikers. It's. But my faith runs throughout the entire book.

[Host]

Yeah, I heard you talking to Drew a little bit about it. What? When did.

[Brent Tucker]

So you.

[Host]

You were. You were raised Christian?

[Scott Payne]

Yes.

[Host]

And then that's when you're like. When people say, like, when did you find Christ? Like, hold on. Which time?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, they. So when in the Christian faith, Christ follower, when you go to get baptized, they say, hey, you've been saved because you got to be safe for you to get baptized. And I'm like, yeah. And they go, well, can you tell us when and where it happened? And I said, which time? Because I went to Christian school for seven years, and my. I went for Christian school for seven years and every. This is a Southern Baptist church. I mean, Southern Baptist school. So, yes, we're talking hellfire. Hellfire and brimstone. We're not worthy of. And you know when we aren't. But as a chunky kid with a new pastor every weekend doing an altar call, I felt guilty and I got saved. Every week there was a new pastor. So, yeah, I'm like, I was saved multiple times. I'm like, man, I stole a Snickers bar. I got to go down there. You know, I punched somebody. I got to get down there. But, yeah, so I was raised in the Christian faith, but did I fall and go awry? Absolutely. I mean, I cover in that Chapter one. There was times where I started messing with witchcraft, which led to devil worship and full blown Satanism, bro. Yeah, yeah, it's. I actually.

[Brent Tucker]

Playing World of Warcraft and everything, right.

[Scott Payne]

Dungeons and Dragons. No, but seriously, I talk about it openly. I've been on several Christian podcasts. I actually saw an image of a demon when I was playing a skit out where I was pretending I was possessed by a demon. And that scared Jesus back into me, man. I walked to church. I didn't even. It was a party. All I did was drink. There was no psychedelics, but I didn't Go to sleep that night because I was scared to death. And I walked to Edwards Road Baptist Church and Greenville, South Carolina, and I sat through every service, and that was it for me in devil worship. Now, does that mean I didn't stray and falter throughout my life? Absolutely not. I mean, I. We're all broken. Anytime somebody tells you that they've got it together and they're perfect, that's when you know they're wrong. Man, there's only one. I'm not trying to preach. Well, actually, I am preaching.

[Brent Tucker]

Preach.

[Scott Payne]

There's only one Jesus. We're just trying to be like him. I am not him, nor will I be. But, yeah, so it ebbs and flows through there. And you'll also see where I'm a musician and a singer, and. And I. And I stopped letting my job interfere with my. My worshiping. And so, yeah, that's all throughout the book. And actually, that's. If we're talking about you, you get an option for a book deal. You get a literary agent that reaches out to you. You're like, you know, I don't want to do this. And then you say, okay, you're the right people. I'm going to do it. And now we got a pitch, and we go out and we're going to different publications. You know, you got Simon Schuster, Random House. You got all this stuff. The guy who was the editor that did the interview, he picked up on my faith in the pitch, and he said, man, is that something. Is that something that just happened later in life, or is that, like, you? And I go, no, it's all throughout my life. And he said, I'd like to see that throughout the entire book. And that was so different than anybody else that I talked to. When I closed my laptop that day from that Zoom call, I looked up and I went, that's different. And that's the guy I want. And that's. And that's what we went with, Simon Schuster. And it's been a blessing ever since, man. This is a blessing. Finding out about his. His supplement line or his Whatever. His tea, and we're just trying to.

[Josh Burton]

Help the guys out, man.

[Scott Payne]

Exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

I said, you're just trying to pay it forward. Here's what.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Host]

I'm gonna go earn and learn.

[Josh Burton]

Return.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Return.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Enzo Washington, quote from our earlier episodes.

[Scott Payne]

Love that dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Dude. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Real, real.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, I love that dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. He said, I told you that during otc, but go ahead, give it the Denzel.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah. He said, you are.

[Scott Payne]

You were copying Denzel, if you said.

[Josh Burton]

You learn, you earn, and then you have to return, that's it. You know, I feel like I'm in. In kind of the earn and return phase right now.

[Scott Payne]

I'm with you. So. So for me. And you're going to have haters, and it happens. And. Oh, well, I used to let it bother me. And then I was like. I woke up one day and I said, you know what, man? I'm not a bad person. I'm trying to do the right thing.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

And let's be honest. All we can do.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Scott Payne]

They didn't like me when I was active any damn way. So it's okay. So. But what I'll say is this. I'm going to go back to a sheriff's office thing. I go a sheriff's office. I'm a pretty good shooter. At the sheriff's office, I became way better. I get to Quantico. Mob instructor was a contractor dude, former British sas. He's a badass. Awesome. With a cool accent, which does. Which doesn't hurt. Even if he's cussing me out. Yeah, I know, right? Even if he's cussing me out, I'm like, can you say that again? Just tell me one more time to go F myself, you know? But he's teaching the seven fundamentals of shooting a pistol, firearms. And he sees me getting upset, and he comes up and he goes, Mr. Payne, why are you so angry? With this cool accent? And I said, they knew this. He said, what do you mean they knew this? I said, my sheriff's office every year had a pistol shoot competition, friendly competition. So they say every year, it came down to two sergeants. It was always one of those two getting the trophies. I did. It's not that I was eavesdropping, but I had heard enough that when I started learning about the seven fundamentals of shooting a pistol, which is harder than shooting a rifle, I'm like, they knew that. I've heard them. I've heard this verbiage. And then what pissed me off was, is I looked at the whole situation and I said, you mean to tell me, you know a way to make people better at their job that could save their lives and save other people's lives, and you're keeping it here because you want that damn trophy every year. Man, that pissed me off so bad. Oh, it pissed me off. So I'm with you. Let's just say hey. Said it. Tell me one more time.

[Brent Tucker]

I get it.

[Scott Payne]

You learn and you return.

[Josh Burton]

You learn first year and return it back.

[Scott Payne]

Got it.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. I love it.

[Josh Burton]

Honestly, that's one of the oldest principles of leadership, is like, you have to pass on your knowledge what you know to your subordinates.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what you should be.

[Josh Burton]

You training your replacement.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, right?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You should be doing.

[Scott Payne]

Or if they're out there on the hit with you or whatever, you know, you're like, what are you.

[Josh Burton]

You're not gonna be around forever, bro.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, but don't. Don't get us. We talk about leadership a lot on this podcast. Part of the reasons why some of the them don't do it, it's not a selfish reasons, is because they got promoted before they really knew the job and they don't have anything to pass on to you or they don't break.

[Scott Payne]

The chain or they. They're like, hey, I'm not going to write that person up for an award.

[Brent Tucker]

Why?

[Scott Payne]

Because nobody ever wrote me for.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah.

[Host]

Oh, you're not going to selection.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, because I'm a hater and I'm.

[Host]

Not going to let you progress in your career.

[Scott Payne]

So break the chain, man. Break the chain.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, stop.

[Scott Payne]

See my eyebrows cocked? I looked up. I'm like, in another thing, if you're listening right now, I know who you are. Yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, we got some more super chats. Alex G. Brett, thanks for replying to the picture I sent of a squadron last week. I'm gonna see if I can send the video of your possible old teammate from squadron instructing for Ford Observations Group.

[Brent Tucker]

Good night. Well.

[Super Chat Moderator]

And then, Mr. Play, Scott, do you have a favorite show like Justified or any good cop shows?

[Scott Payne]

Oh, boy.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, you know, okay, the Shield.

[Scott Payne]

You know what? I started it.

[Brent Tucker]

I started the Shield.

[Scott Payne]

I did the first season, and when the second and everybody was dirty, I'm like, okay, I gotta stop. There has to be one good cop.

[Brent Tucker]

Come on. Hollywood, the Wire.

[Host]

Southland.

[Scott Payne]

I would tell you. So going back historically, I think among law enforcement, one of the best shows that was the most accurate at that point in time was the Wire. Yeah, I mean, back in the payphone days and you're working the projects and you. And you were trying to go. And the wiretaps and everything, they. I thought they did a really, really great job. But I will also tell you, as you've heard earlier, I'm a professional wrestling fan. So I'm not the guy that sits there and goes, oh, look, that was real. You know, I can buy, you know, I'm not that guy, you know, anymore.

[Josh Burton]

How many military Movies. Did we do that?

[Brent Tucker]

I just watched Warfighter. Was it War Fighter?

[Host]

Oh, you haven't seen that?

[Brent Tucker]

Warfare. I finally just watched Warfare, and it. It was good. But there's like. But like. Like any other ones. Like, you know, something happened. Yeah. Somehow I'm like, not that. No.

[Scott Payne]

I could say it with a laugh that would. I'd be like, hey, I need HRT. I need HRT in 30 minutes on the roof.

[Host]

We've talked to people that have done liaison work, and they're like, you know, hey, you can't do that. And the Hollywood producers are like, now we're doing it right. I'm advising you, this is not how.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I get it. But it's also entertainment.

[Scott Payne]

Going off on a tangent a little bit, but I can tell you I've been a consultant, and I have. I've, like, looked at scripts, but my job is to look at. If you want to know what's realistic, then usually I don't come in going, this is wrong. And this is why I come in. And I go, do you have a source of information from where you're getting this scene right here? And they're like, no, we just made it. Because, I mean, like, man, be like, oh, he pulled out of the desert. Like, now 20, 25, he pulled out a Desert Eagle and he shot him through the wall.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm like, who's caring that? Are you?

[Host]

What?

[Brent Tucker]

Who's caring?

[Scott Payne]

What do we.

[Brent Tucker]

So, But.

[Scott Payne]

But I ask, and I go, yeah, the Joker gun. Yeah, but you're like, okay, well, if you don't have a source of information, it's unrealistic to me. And this is why. That's my job. After that, they want to go complete fiction. That's fine.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. At least. At least they knew.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, but for cop shows, man, I don't know how. My buddy plays in Chicago Fire all the time. That's not a cop thing. But I'm hooked, You know, I'm like, what's happening next? You get involved with the characters.

[Brent Tucker]

You got a favorite show or recent show that you finally. Finally watched? Took too long to watch any of that.

[Josh Burton]

We don't watch much TV in my house, but one here actually, this year, I've probably watched more TV than I have in my entire life.

[Scott Payne]

Life.

[Josh Burton]

And we. We wrapped up Yellowstone.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I watched those.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, we just wrapped up Shogun. You haven't seen Shogun yet.

[Scott Payne]

It's.

[Josh Burton]

It's worth watching.

[Brent Tucker]

Devin got me on. I said this a little bit before, but on Peaky Blinders, and that was a. That was a real. That was a really good one. I really liked Peaky.

[Josh Burton]

I'll have to try that one again.

[Scott Payne]

Favorite cop show, Stranger Things. Simply because I'm an 80s guy. And the fact that they had that much 80s stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Like I got. I go to my youngest daughter when Stranger Things was like really coming on in the beginning. I go to my dog, my youngest daughter's set list, her songs. I'm not set list, but her song list. And I'm like, where did you start listening to this stuff? Like, you got Metallica in here. Because it wasn't what she was listening to.

[Brent Tucker]

So proud of me.

[Scott Payne]

She's got. She goes, dad, Stranger Things. And I go, I haven't even seen the show, but I love.

[Brent Tucker]

I approve. I'm telling you.

[Josh Burton]

Mobland's another good one.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, yeah.

[Super Chat Moderator]

So good.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Well, I'm kind of Doug, Tulsa, King. I'm all. I mean, we finished the second season.

[Brent Tucker]

I know that one, man.

[Scott Payne]

Yes. The thing that's funny is they didn't try to make Stallone younger. They just said, look, he's a 75 year old mafia guy that did 25 years in prison. He gets out, out. And now he's trying to figure out.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I think he's at a point now, you can't make him any younger than he is. He's, he's, he's getting, he's getting up there, but he's, he's, he's fought. He's fought Father Time valiantly. He's. He's gonna lose, but he's fought it valiantly. Yeah, it's okay.

[Scott Payne]

I'm just trying to think of something off top of my head that's like a cop show. I watched this like, I love. So I don't know, man.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Magnum PI no, the best one was every. Every cop knows this was Southland. It was a TNT show about LAPD.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I know.

[Host]

But mid 2000, mid to late 2000s, I think.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, I don't know that one, man.

[Host]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Brent Tucker]

It's gonna be hard to beat Miami Vice.

[Host]

They split it until they started bringing.

[Scott Payne]

In aliens and stuff. They were running out of aliens. Yeah. At the end. It was crazy.

[Host]

I know we're forgetting one.

[Brent Tucker]

But End of Watch was good too.

[Host]

And to watch.

[Scott Payne]

I will say that my high school picture, if I could bring it up and I probably could, somewhere, is extremely Miami Vice, my senior.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, take TV shows out of it real quick. Best. Best law enforcement movie.

[Host]

End of watch.

[Scott Payne]

End of watch.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Movie. Go movie with it.

[Scott Payne]

I'm an undercover guy, so.

[Josh Burton]

Donnie Brasco.

[Scott Payne]

Of course I'm gonna say that. That's my boss man. That's. Forget about. That's right. I know.

[Host]

That's about it.

[Scott Payne]

Country, how did you. He text me. I told him on the show yesterday. He goes, country, how did you land Joe Rogan? I said, boss man, it's divine intervention. So he lands it, and I go, boss man, how did you manage your Rogan?

[Brent Tucker]

Then for you, Best military movie. It's. And so that's a tough one because. Yeah, it goes from World War II all the way to current special operations.

[Host]

300 the Patriot.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah, it's funny. 300 is a military.

[Scott Payne]

It's got to be Navy SEALs. It's got to be Navy seals, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Or a few. Yeah, it's hard to pick one. You got any of that?

[Josh Burton]

I grew up a Full Metal Jacket.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Scott Payne]

That's two movies.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

There's Boot Camp and then there's a great movie, Tropic Thunder.

[Josh Burton]

I gotta go.

[Scott Payne]

There we go.

[Brent Tucker]

Full Metal Jacket. Going with that one.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, I think so.

[Scott Payne]

300.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll give you that. Yeah, yeah, the first one. And as always, they screwed up the second one.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. Yeah, we got. We got. Anything else? We got.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Yeah, we got back, man. Union Eric Gallardo was my first sergeant. He was a squad leader in Restrepo. His soldier, Moh Salita. Look them up and get them on the horn. I have contract contact.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. Heck, yeah. We're due for a Medal of Honor.

[Scott Payne]

Winner on this show.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And I've asked them, but Pat. Pat doesn't. He still doesn't like public speaking and doesn't want to do it.

[Super Chat Moderator]

All right, Kane, Korsov. Why do you guys think many traditional Christian denominations are seeing their numbers plummet? Why are some groups pen. Pentecostals, Mormons, non denominational.

[Scott Payne]

Lord bless you. It's Pentecostal.

[Brent Tucker]

It's pentecostal, non denomination, etc.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Are growing.

[Scott Payne]

You're young. Let's see. Non denomination. Aren't. Are growing.

[Josh Burton]

Pastor, you want to take this?

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. Can you go back up? Let me see one more time.

[Super Chat Moderator]

This one right here.

[Scott Payne]

Traditional Christian. Okay. I can speak from my own experience. There are. I live in the Bible Belt, Right. So there are so many churches that are dying on the vine. I will tell you as a believer, go to where you feel the Holy Spirit hitting you. But when we move back to the Southeast, my wife had never been there, and I'm like, honey, you know, you're not going to believe it. There's going to be so many churches to choose from. And then after about a month of searching, it hit me. And I remember, yeah, there's a bunch of churches, but none of them are hitting me. You know, and you do you. But I'll, I, I am a Christ follower. So when I say I'm not claiming a denomination, the Bible's the Bible. It's about a relationship with Christ. I won't get into Mormons verse because that's a whole thing we can go down. And I'm not trying to make them angry. I've trained a bunch of Mormons in the FBI. I've got friends. Well, I've got friends. And, and that's. If that's your belief, that's your belief. But I think a lot of people are dying on the vine because it's that old traditional model. You have to advance with time. You have to advance with this crazy thing we have where you can have the world at your fingertips and you don't have to wait for nothing. So that's why when we go up and play music is 30 minutes and the sermon is 30 minutes, because you can't keep people's attention longer than that. But you're also getting into these. I'm at a pretty progressive big church and you've got your home base, but then you have satellite churches. Like there's Seacoast based out of Charleston, South Carolina. They were one of the big frontrunners in the beginning. They've got like 16 or 17 satellites. So when you go to that satellite church, you have a live band, you have a pastor there, you've got everything. But when the main sermon comes on, it's on the big screen and it's being piped in.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'll say this one, I'm not saying you're a liar, but by any means, but cite your sources on that. I'm not sure if what you're saying is true.

[Host]

Good point.

[Brent Tucker]

If, if it is though, I will tell you this. And it dovetails. And what you're saying about non denominational churches. There's a lot of non denominational churches that, that, that are literally Baptist churches. They just choose to call themselves non denominational. You know, they're literally Lutheran churches. They just, they choose to call themselves non denominational. So we're so, so for you to kind of separate those two, I just, that's, I wouldn't lump in non denominationals away from traditional churches because that's really what traditional Churches are now. Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Burton]

I actually just read an article last week where they were saying how the younger generation is. Is really going back to the. The roots of faith based organizations and like pendulum swinging. Yeah, it's going back that way. Where younger kids are now going to church again, bro.

[Scott Payne]

There's a revival happening. That's what I was gonna. I was gonna. I'm glad you said it because that's what I was thinking. I missed that last part about the non denominations are growing. When I say non denominational, I'm not talking about some offshoot, like we're community church. We're like, we believe in paintings or the thing we worship today. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about exactly what you're talking about, buddy. But there is a revival happening all over the world. My daughter, my youngest daughter's like front running it. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm saying Firmino, she is very. She's leading our family right now. She. She went to ywam Youth with a Mission. She's involved in all kinds of stuff and she's doing stuff that I can't even believe, Steve. She's doing. And I got to talk to you guys because I think she might be going to the Middle east at some point. But what I'm saying is there's a revival happening all over and there's a reason for it. And we just keep fighting. You got to keep fighting. You got to stay vigilant. You got to get. Because here's what I tell people. I go in a lot of interviews and. And I. And I get interviewed after the book and the success and stuff. I get interviewed by people from all spectrums. Far left, far right, whatever. But when I sit down with him, I say, I just want you to understand one thing. There are evil people on this planet. They want to do evil things to get people. And it's been that way pretty much since the beginning of time. Yeah. So let's just start from there.

[Josh Burton]

And Scott, me personally and my wife's the same way. We were very spiritual people. We don't have to be part of a church or a denomination. It's a personal experience, a personal relationship with. With whatever you believe in.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Josh Burton]

And I believe that God and. And the Spirit is in nature myself.

[Scott Payne]

And I don't see how you couldn't see it. Well, yeah, go to these places. I mean, go to my backyard, bro. We sit in my backyard right now. We're like, oh, yeah, it's amazing. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

But it's a Personal experience. And like, you know, the other thing.

[Brent Tucker]

I want to talk about that when he talks about Pentecostals, I, I just. I'd challenge you on that. The Pentecostal super church of the 80s and 90s. Benny Hinn. What is it? The Bakers? Tammy Faye Baker and Jim Baker. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Gold faucets.

[Brent Tucker]

All those have disappeared. So I, I don't think the Pentecostal church is, Is thriving right now. I don't see a whole lot of people out there speaking gibberish tongues the way that it was very popular when I was a kid. So come to my part of the.

[Scott Payne]

States, you might see a little bit more of it.

[Brent Tucker]

But. Yeah, but that's. Again, that's. That's. But.

[Scott Payne]

But it's not like.

[Brent Tucker]

But Benny Hinn. That, that suit. That super church was right here in Orlando and he got arrested for, for whatever. Got arrested for it had to do with finances, money. Big surprise with this, with this. What do they call it? The. The health and wealth, you know, type of Christianity that isn't biblical. So I just. I would challenge the comment itself a little bit. It.

[Host]

But good TV show. The righteous Jim sends baby Billy.

[Brent Tucker]

I keep on trying to watch that and I'm going to watch that HBO. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Danny McBride.

[Scott Payne]

Anything.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

What else we got?

[Super Chat Moderator]

We got Matthew, when is the bourbon shipping? Bert love all the FRCC cigars, but I love the Delta and Bravo the best. Keep up the awesomeness, boys.

[Brent Tucker]

It'll ship out next week for sure. There's a chance it ships out fried tomorrow maybe, but we gotta. We gotta see what shipping is doing. But next week for sure.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Misfit 13. Damn. Didn't have audio on turn tuned in halfway through. Sent super chat money and didn't know Drew wasn't there. Bad boys. Tyler, when are you getting XL AHP shirts back in stock on cc?

[Host]

What's Excel? What does it say?

[Brent Tucker]

Extra large?

[Host]

Oh, they're.

[Scott Payne]

They're up for the average guy.

[Host]

I just restocked them. But these, these. That crop of shirts. Shirts and the squad cast shirts are probably going to be the last shirts that me and Brent run. We're setting up our merch store so we'll have a lot more options for you guys and it'll be its own store.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Jennison with. Did you guys know Parish? I mean.

[Brent Tucker]

Is that a joke? They like to slide in joke. Joke names on us.

[Scott Payne]

Parish.

[Brent Tucker]

Parish.

[Scott Payne]

But it's. It's with the knee.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, I don't know.

[Josh Burton]

Not that I know of not ringing a bell.

[Brent Tucker]

And they might have. They might have slid one bias every now and again. They do.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Mr. Play. Any word on Fred Galvin coming onto the podcast? I would love to have him and Eddie talk about ncis.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, man. Ncis. See, no one mentioned NCIS as a. As a favorite show. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Can I tell you from a law enforcement side what NCICS did?

[Brent Tucker]

Who? Oh, please do.

[Scott Payne]

We're always here for us in law enforcement. Because now when you go in front of a jury and you're trying to testify, they're like, well, how come you didn't find this? How come you didn't find this? Oh, gosh. You know, I watched NCIS and I'm like, but this, you know, it's like my. It's like watching hgtv. Do you think they built that house in an hour? They didn't build that house in an hour. But yeah, it really messed up a.

[Brent Tucker]

Lot of things for people, for expectation management.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. They're like, we want more. And I'm like, I'm giving you all this is reality. I got you.

[Josh Burton]

It's all like, you get hard stuck.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Say, I have an econ degree from a good school. Are there any cool jobs I can get at the FBI, CIA or other intel jobs? I never see any listed.

[Scott Payne]

First of all, first of all, I'm still lost. Did you say hard suck or hard stuff?

[Super Chat Moderator]

Hard stuff.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Scott Payne]

That's all right. Okay. I don't have my glasses on. I apologize. Say I have an econ degree. Okay. So yeah, man, go to FBI.gov.

[Host]

Yeah, the White collar stuff.

[Scott Payne]

Well, here's what I'm trying to say. So the FBI, you know, we mentioned earlier the agent cut off, ages 37, but we have professional staff, which used to be called support staff, but supports offensive and whatever. But what I'm trying to say is you could also be a task force officer. I mean, like when I was a cop, let me get. When I was advising our cops investigator. When DEA or FBI wanted somebody from our squad, we would send somebody that we didn't really get along with. Once I got in the FBI and I learned what task forces were, I'm like, no, this is where you need to send your best people. So you go there. But even in the FBI, you could be. You might get in at an entry level, but once you're in, you're in. Now you've got your secret top secret clearance. Most likely, they've already done the background. There's so many things you can do. And there's so many things you can do throughout the. The way it used to work is you would go to your local office, walk in, meet the applicant coordinator, talk and stuff. But now everything's online. I would suggest still contacting your local FBI office if, like, if you're in. Let's just say you're in Memphis. Okay. Memphis used to be headquarters. Now they're saying Nashville is. But there's an office in Memphis. Go in there, find out who the applicant coordinator is. Go on. FBI.gov, there's all kinds of things. I don't know about CIA, but yeah, there's so much stuff you can do. The gamut is wide open. You can do whatever you want.

[Brent Tucker]

Be a respectable nuisance a little bit.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. So I'm gonna tell you what.

[Brent Tucker]

Go get it.

[Scott Payne]

My. I told this to my daughters. My M.O. was every two weeks, I call. Any job I wanted, I'd call every two weeks. Hey, how's it going? I was just checking back in. I'm just checking back in. They turned me down for two months.

[Josh Burton]

Months.

[Scott Payne]

But after calling them for two months, they're like, all right, come on in. We're going to give you a job.

[Josh Burton]

They know your name.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, that's right. All right.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Josh Hendricks. I'm coming up on a year since I was baptized, and I thought my walk would be a little easier with God, but it's almost been more difficult. I'm trying to get back in to, though. Any advice? Great show, fellas. Keep it up.

[Scott Payne]

Let me take it first. Take it. I'm gonna jump on it, man, because I'm ready. I just spoke today. Tomorrow's Friday. At the last Friday, I spoke at a men's conference at a. At my church. Here's what I'll tell you. I would not be able to do what I've done without the blessing of a God. I would not be able to be the man I am if it wasn't for that. And we talked about it yesterday on the show, about when I would lost my. I was scared. I crashed. And I'm looking. I'm sorry. I'm away from the microphone and I'm looking and I'm praying and I'm praying, and I'm like, God, how do I remain humble? Because trust me, I was beat down. I was smacked down. I'm like, how do I remain humble to you? And even. Can I do the job I used to do? Can I be the guy I used to be? And I prayed and I wrote and I prayed and I wrote, and then one Day, it hit me like a brick in the face. And what I received was this. Scott or son, you would have never been able to do the things you've already done if it wasn't for me blessing you. And that's when the light bulb went off in my head and I said, okay, I know how to remain humble and maybe get back to what I was. I ended up getting to be better than what I was. But what I will say is this. At the men's conference, we're bringing. We're bringing. Hey, come in. Look, you need this. He loves you. But I will say this. If you are on the front line. So let's say I'm a worship leader and let's say I play music and I'm doing this. When you're on the front line for God, you're probably closer to hell than you would be otherwise. Because the devil does not want. Right. I hear you giggling. Right? The devil doesn't want who he's already got. You know what I mean? It's like. Like I'm doing all this stuff. My daughter is attacked. Not like physically attacked. She's attacked from the enemy side. I would challenge you to read. Read Ephesians 6:10. This whole arm tattooed. I did it while I was undercover. There's Viking stuff, but it's all warrior. What this whole arm says is the armor of God. And I knew that putting it on me. Read Ephesians 6:10, because that's. That's what you need to be focused on. But I will tell you that when you are on the front line for God, you are going to get attacked. And it may not be easy, but trust me, I got you. You can look me up on Instagram, LinkedIn. Every. Everything I got is at Scott Payne Big country. Because Pale Horse is already taken, I guess, but it's got pain Big Country. And as I've told them all night, all day long, I'm more schmedium country now. But hit me up and I will. I will help you any way I can. You keep fighting and you keep doing it. You did the right thing. But just know that attacks are going to come. But at the end of the day, I'll tell you this. This is turning into a whole sermon. I'm going to tell you this.

[Brent Tucker]

Pass the offering plate.

[Scott Payne]

At the end of the day. At the end of the day, there's nothing more powerful. I've messed with devil worshiping. I've mess with Satanism. I've messed with.

[Brent Tucker]

There.

[Scott Payne]

There's nobody stronger. And that's why Lucifer got kicked out of Heaven.

[Josh Burton]

So one of my favorite sayings is, nothing worth it's ever easy.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, yeah, Absolutely. It's the pressure that makes diamonds. Right. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. Every.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh.

[Scott Payne]

So. I'm sorry. Thank you. Threw me on a tangent. I wore a shirt yesterday. It was 41. It's 41 days. Because if you look at the Bible, all of your stories, whether it's 40 hours, 40 days, 40 years, 40 months, that's the trial on the 41st day is when all the big stuff happens, and that's when the success happens. So keep fighting the good fight, man. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

That's why Ranger school should be 40 days or 180.

[Brent Tucker]

40 years. Yeah, 40 years.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But I think you also hit the nail head a little bit as far as anything worth worthwhile ain't easy. Why? You ever thought something would get easier, that's that. That's on you. Don't. Don't do that to yourself.

[Josh Burton]

It only gets easier up here.

[Brent Tucker]

And you're trying like anything, whether I don't care what it is. Finances, cqb, shooting. The less you know, the easier it is because you don't know enough to know how complicated it is, how tough it really is. So the. The more you learn and the closer you walk with God, the more you're in your Bible, the more you're actually going to find out. It's. It gets harder.

[Host]

It does, because.

[Brent Tucker]

But you're capable of it.

[Host]

When you find Christ and you humble yourself and you submit. And, I mean, that's. That's the hardest thing, I think, for any man to do. And when they. When they finally submit to Jesus and they do all that, my buddy Reagan put it, like, perfect for me. He goes, you are now, at this point, you're starting to sandblast the sin off you and humbling yourself every day, looking back on how awful of a sinner you were, and I'm not trying to make anybody feel bad, but you're a sinner. And he's like that every day, waking up and doing that over and over again. It is hard.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And let me walk my statement back for a second that I said, but you're capable of it. No, you're not capable of it. Not by yourself.

[Scott Payne]

Not by yourself. You. Dag. I'm right. I have people that I said this, and I'm not gonna say that because I know they'll know who I'm talking about. But they're like all magnostic. And I go, what's kind of A cop out. And they're like, no, that's not a cop out. And I go, just a cop out. Why don't you just go ahead and say you're atheist? Well, because I believe in what? Yeah, let's own up. Yeah, come on, jump in.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, that's it. I feel like it takes a lot more faith to believe that all this happened by accident and to believe in nothing.

[Josh Burton]

Like, hey, if you actually ever, ever want to meet the man while you're still alive, it's possible through plant medicine.

[Scott Payne]

I've got to have crazy listeners. Crazy. I've got to connect you guys with Johnny Wilson. That's my boy. But I'm telling you that. And yes, that's what he talks about. So I, I, I. Yeah, yeah. There's so much stuff. Yeah, dude, we got some offline stuff to do. Yeah, for sure.

[Brent Tucker]

What do we got?

[Scott Payne]

We got one more.

[Brent Tucker]

Josh is gonna fix me from Jameson.

[Super Chat Moderator]

Parish, was an SARC 18D and MED support for the unit and is a pro golfer now.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, man, you can't hide money.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know. I don't, I don't know him and I don't know. But, you know, medics are, Medics are, are. Well, they're weird on several levels, but they're. It's weird in this aspect. Like there. The chances of I knew all the medics in my squadron are actually pretty good. But like, if there could be.

[Josh Burton]

Maybe not in the building, but yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Definitely not in the building. And, and there really could have been even a medic in my time that I don't remember that was even in my squadron who just wasn't a part of my troop. And if it's on one of those weird rotations where I'm gone all the time and busy all the time and only see him a couple times. Like, I may not remember him or, or his name. So he was probably in a, in a, in a different squadron, but between both of us. So, yeah, that's, that's what we got for that. Perfect. All right. The. I know it's a little bit of a cliche topic to, to ask, but you big into music, your music guy or just like as big as everyone else is, type, type of thing?

[Josh Burton]

More than most people?

[Brent Tucker]

More.

[Josh Burton]

Well, I'm a huge Maynard fan.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. What was the last concert you went to, you big concert goer, or whether you get the time to go to one or not?

[Josh Burton]

Matter of fact, right after soft week in May, a bunch. I took a bunch of my friends from Australia and Sweden we went and saw Perfect Circle.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, nice.

[Scott Payne]

Over here.

[Josh Burton]

Outside in the Tampa fairground.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, Scott, what's the last concert you went to?

[Scott Payne]

Jamie Johnson. Nice.

[Brent Tucker]

Jamie Johnson.

[Scott Payne]

And that was Saturday.

[Host]

I'm pretty bummed. I miss Ronnie Radke here at the fairgrounds the other day.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, was. What was the last concert you went to?

[Host]

You and went Deftones. It was a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott Payne]

I'd go to, actually.

[Josh Burton]

Last time I talked to you, you were gonna come see me in Tampa.

[Brent Tucker]

In Tampa. But you were at a concert.

[Josh Burton]

What concert was it?

[Host]

Oh, he's been on a. I've been.

[Brent Tucker]

I've been on. I've been on a bucket list concerts. Oh, Rip. I think that was. It was one of two things. It was. I think it was Rock the Country.

[Josh Burton]

Which was a music festival.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. It was. It was Rock the country, and it was Nickelback, Kids rocks.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, because I was making fun of you.

[Brent Tucker]

Hey, Hank. I'll take that. I'll take that.

[Scott Payne]

Nickelback strong. They just got made fun of.

[Brent Tucker]

Hank Williams Jr. I'd say. You ever see the. The documentary on Nickelback? What was it called? Do you guys remember what it was called by chancer?

[Scott Payne]

That sucks.

[Brent Tucker]

That's not what it's called. Magnet, turn off this mic.

[Scott Payne]

You know. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Anyway, but that was. That was a great show. It was absolute great show. I. I did want to see Nickelback in concert. I've seen. I've seen Kid Rock five, six times. They're great.

[Host]

All right, so you. The camera's on us four, but there's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 people that the camera's not on. Bradley, don't put it on them. Out of you seven who raise your hand will admit that Nickelback is a good band.

[Scott Payne]

Oh. Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

We got five out of seven. We got two holding strong. Two holding strong.

[Scott Payne]

Just scared to raise your hand?

[Brent Tucker]

No, I love it. Hold on. You guys standing by that? That's fine. You stand about. You didn't raise your hand. You standing by that? Okay, Magnet. Why does Nickelback suck? They're Canadian. That's such a cop out of an answer. Not a cop out.

[Scott Payne]

My co writer's Canadian. I can't say nothing.

[Brent Tucker]

That's all you got? That's all you. That's the only reason you hate Nickelback is that they hate to love. Is.

[Josh Burton]

Is the document.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, hate to love. Thank you. That's. They suck. Is. Is a Democrat answer of. Of. What's wrong with Trump? He just sucks bucks. That's not an answer. Don't. Don't be a Democrat. Don't be a Democrat country. What's that? They're from a Democratic country. Okay. Okay.

[Scott Payne]

But are they Democrat or. They're just Canadian.

[Brent Tucker]

Pass over the microphone. Pass over the microphone. You gave about as deep as an answer. I thought you were capable of. Why? Why does Nickelback suck? I didn't say they suck. I just. Just.

[Super Chat Moderator]

I'm not a big fan.

[Brent Tucker]

Just not a fan. Okay. I'll. I'll accept that. I'm not going down. That he's worse than him. Not everyone has to be.

[Scott Payne]

Here's what. I'll tell you what I think happened. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I got overplayed. Yes.

[Scott Payne]

It's just like. It's just like hooting. Blowfish. Who need a blowfish?

[Host]

Great, man.

[Scott Payne]

It's from South Carolina.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

I used to go down. You talk about Charleston. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes.

[Scott Payne]

You said George Thoroughgood. You didn't know he. You thought he was a black guy.

[Brent Tucker]

I did for years.

[Scott Payne]

So I would go down to. I would go down to Charleston. Partying all up and down the areas and. No, but it was missing. So here's the thing. You could have beer bars and liquor bars outside. You could buy the cassette. You never even see the band because it was so packed.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Scott Payne]

I had the cassette. I had all the songs. And the first time I walked in and saw Darius singing, I went, huh? I did not know he was a. Not a white man. It's all good, But.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

But they got overplayed because they came out with their first album and it blended into every station.

[Brent Tucker]

And then they had to change the country. They're a victim.

[Scott Payne]

Basically. Hootie with a fiddle.

[Brent Tucker]

They're a victim of their own success. Everyone hated them because they had three, four top 10 hits that were.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, my gosh. They were all over the place.

[Brent Tucker]

Some of their songs would. Would transfer over to pop.

[Scott Payne]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

And so you're hearing them on this station.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's. You know, I think it's.

[Host]

Photograph.

[Brent Tucker]

Photograph.

[Host]

That's what everybody.

[Brent Tucker]

I agree.

[Josh Burton]

It was just overplayed.

[Scott Payne]

And that one in the Spider man song where he collaborated with the other dude.

[Host]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

And a hero can save us. So. But before. Before that's played on every other photo.

[Host]

Of Brent, by the way.

[Brent Tucker]

That Vanessa Post. I. I have to. I have to defend myself for a second by this George Thorgood snarky comments I keep getting, because I know it sounds ridiculous that I didn't know he was white. Let me tell you a lyric I was not snarky. I can feel it in the room. I can feel it in the room. Okay, let me stare at you right now. Let me throw some lyrics your way.

[Host]

Okay?

[Brent Tucker]

She complained about the back wrench, the front rent. She could be lucky to get the back rent. You tell me a white guy sings that?

[Scott Payne]

Absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

A white guy with soul. Yeah.

[Josh Burton]

Hey, I only knew he was white because I grew up with him. That's all my dad.

[Brent Tucker]

Listen. Oh, yeah, he told me. Funny, but now you funny, too. You're telling me that's a white dude saying that? Yes. Right. How was I to know that he was fluent in jive? How was I to know, man?

[Host]

Must be a jazz thing.

[Josh Burton]

All the songs are about.

[Scott Payne]

She get the back R. Yeah, you're all right. Now. I'm saying it like I'm the dumb. Like, I'm like Shrek, you know, like, she look. I'm surprised they don't finish their song.

[Brent Tucker]

Saying, hey.

[Scott Payne]

Bless your heart.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that's a Canadian.

[Scott Payne]

I'm g. Tell you what, you would have. Not Electronic Toronto. It was a good time there. But yeah, I know a. And a. A boat.

[Host]

All right, how many super chats we got?

[Super Chat Moderator]

I love me some more from Joe Saunders. Okay. The Guess who and Rush are Canadian. They rock.

[Scott Payne]

Absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

Sit there and you on Rush, and I'll ask you to leave. I'm magnet. I'm with you.

[Host]

I'm just not a.

[Brent Tucker]

It's kind. Well, I'm kind of like.

[Host]

Like, Jordan is where I'm like, I'm not a fan. I respect Rush's musical, like, genius. I just like Tom Sawyer.

[Scott Payne]

You hush your mouth.

[Brent Tucker]

He's gonna throw me out as a musician as. As three dudes.

[Scott Payne]

Three dudes. And here's what I'm gonna tell you guys. This. I've been following Rush forever. Did I think Getty Lee's vocals were great? No, but they got the. You definitely know Rush when you hear Rush for sure. That's what gives you longevity. So stand by. I'm gonna challenge you. I'm gonna challenge you because I went and saw. So Getty Lee is singing. He's playing the bass with his hand. He's playing the keyboards with his hand and his foot stomping in a different beat. And I'm watching, going. It's pretty crazy how in the blue. Effing. You know what?

[Brent Tucker]

You got two brains, right? So you got two brains.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. So I remember the song wild. I remember down to get down, down, down to get together we fly to Toronto. The code for the airport is yyz. I never knew that until about two months ago, so. And by the way, going back to professional wrestling, Canada has produced some of the best professional wrestlers ever. And going back to full circle of me almost dying, my co writers, Canadian, she knew I love professional wrestling. And Bret Hart sent me a personal message when I almost died. And it wasn't like, hey, Scott, I heard you're doing bad. I hope you're doing well now. No, it was legit. It was like, it was so strong that he heard the story that he had friends with sepsis and he was pulling for me. And one day he wants to shake my hand and it's. I'm telling you. I'm telling you right now. I watched that video multiple times a day to help pull me out of that hole.

[Brent Tucker]

I was cool. Yeah, that's cool.

[Scott Payne]

But that's just me loving wrestling.

[Brent Tucker]

So the. What you think about the John Wick movies?

[Scott Payne]

Magnet.

[Host]

It's a setup. Magnet.

[Scott Payne]

Are we talking acting or skills?

[Brent Tucker]

What did you think about the movies? They suck. They're all right.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, you like Keanu Reeves? He's Canadian.

[Scott Payne]

Is he?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that is. You like Point Break, the new one.

[Scott Payne]

You're so stubborn and you don't know that is blasphemy.

[Josh Burton]

He's playing you right now.

[Scott Payne]

Like, I watched Point. I watched the second Point Break and I'm like Patrick Swayze. The second. The second Point Break, I'm like, they didn't even try to change the story. At least with Roadhouse, they changed the story. I'm like, oh, my gosh, man. So you stay out of Canada.

[Brent Tucker]

Let me in.

[Scott Payne]

We got that. We got that down. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, gosh.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Host]

Our song winners are.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah.

[Host]

Actually, Peace Sells by megadeth for 300. But the second that if we're gonna do two, the second one's Killdozer by.

[Scott Payne]

Yourself.

[Brent Tucker]

You're gonna be all right.

[Host]

Sauron Zion, I got your back. If you type in Killdozer and then X.

[Scott Payne]

All right, got it.

[Host]

I'm interested at George Thorgood. One Bourbon with Scotchman. Beers is the third man.

[Scott Payne]

Put that one up.

[Josh Burton]

That's a good one.

[Scott Payne]

Chicken Piggins.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, sorry.

[Scott Payne]

That sounds like.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, my damn, Brent, you got some good taste, bro. That.

[Scott Payne]

That sounds like Rhea Ripley. I think we're going like.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, give me the first one just one more time. I got pulled up now.

[Host]

Peace sells Mega Death.

[Brent Tucker]

Peace sells.

[Scott Payne]

But who's buying Mega Death?

[Host]

And this is a part of the show where we just start reading comments as people put them in, you know, not everybody can afford super chats. So we play music and they.

[Brent Tucker]

We. You ever listen to take down the super chats, Will Bradley. See, we got here. Blue rodeo is the only good thing to come from Canada. Blue rodeo. And we're tracking that.

[Scott Payne]

The heart Foundation.

[Brent Tucker]

Brett Hart. All right.

[Scott Payne]

Edge Christian.

[Brent Tucker]

What's that? Alanis is Canadian.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Host]

Jim Carrey's Canadian.

[Brent Tucker]

Jim Carre is Canadian.

[Scott Payne]

Is he.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, here it all comes.

[Brent Tucker]

Alex.

[Scott Payne]

Justin Bieber.

[Brent Tucker]

Alex is on fire as Canadian. Justin. Is Justin Bieber Canadian?

[Josh Burton]

I don't know.

[Scott Payne]

Come on. Justin Bieber's not.

[Brent Tucker]

Justin Bieber's Canadian 100.

[Scott Payne]

Here's what I'll tell you. Brock Lesnar lives in Saskatchewan. I'm just saying.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he's. Yeah, well, he's looking to. It looks like he's looking to start up the Vikings again, so it would make sense.

[Scott Payne]

I hate him because he's a Scandinavian fair skinned, light eyed, blonde haired dude.

[Brent Tucker]

So is his daughter.

[Scott Payne]

I'm not commenting.

[Brent Tucker]

Fi. Vanessa is like halfway up. We have a funny here in a second. Got it. It's moving on me. Oh, yes. We're gonna be at Intoa here, but we talked about a little bit earlier. But in case you. In case you came in late, we're gonna be at NTOA and D.C. at the Gaylord. Okay.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

It only gets you once, you know.

[Scott Payne]

But is there a Gaylord in dc?

[Brent Tucker]

I hope so. We're gonna be there.

[Scott Payne]

I'm trying to think, man. I mean, I know there's. I know the locations. I just didn't know there was one there.

[Brent Tucker]

See what else here? Wayne's World is Canadian. Can you hate on that? Ryan Reynolds is Canadian. I like that guy.

[Scott Payne]

How come you're not like that?

[Host]

Gosh, he makes up for Justin Bieber.

[Scott Payne]

He does.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's see. Terence and Philip are Canadian. Cookie 5.

[Scott Payne]

Here, here's what I'm gonna do.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm gonna.

[Scott Payne]

I'm gonna top it all. John Candy.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, is he Canadian?

[Scott Payne]

Absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, man, look, sctv.

[Scott Payne]

John Candy.

[Brent Tucker]

Hey. I haven't seen him on the big screen in a while. Where's the he been?

[Scott Payne]

He died. Yeah, he died a while ago, bro. Oh, you were serious. I mean, you're joking. I was serious. You were joking. Here's what I say though.

[Brent Tucker]

Remember, you're next. Are you going to tell me Chris Farley's dead?

[Scott Payne]

Just.

[Brent Tucker]

No. Oh, too soon. Okay.

[Scott Payne]

All right, well, I got to throw you the line. You ready for the line? Hey, nice to mole you. I mean, meet you. I'm moly R. What? He goes, I'm Molly Russell's wart. I'm not their wartime ward. I'm their uncle. Uncle ward. Come on. John Candy's. Oh, my gosh.

[Brent Tucker]

For sure.

[Scott Payne]

Oh, brilliant.

[Brent Tucker]

There's a Gaylord in Texas. Yes, I believe that's a TK reference. Gonna go on a limb there. Maybe not.

[Scott Payne]

No. First Gaylord is in Nashville, and then everything else expands.

[Brent Tucker]

Gaylord national in D.C. thank you, Vanessa.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

Gabe Moser just wants to go bucks.

[Scott Payne]

And you're. You can do that. All right, we're down.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. Tasty Gains is Canadian, according to our comment section. So it can't be. It can't be wrong. The British Fred coming on. You didn't answer for Mr. Plight. Was it. Was that Fred from the 24 Fred? I hope that I'm. I'm. We're in talks, though, but. But, yeah, we're trying to get him on.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah, Fred's good dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, Fred is a good dude. What's. What's next? We got.

[Josh Burton]

I got a question on here.

[Brent Tucker]

Sure.

[Josh Burton]

Sean's asking me my thoughts on mescaline and peyote.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, go.

[Josh Burton]

Good stuff for sure. I'm actually going on a. A retreat here next month for that.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh.

[Host]

Killing it. Killed it.

[Scott Payne]

Can you break it down? Because I know peyote is Native American. They were here before us. But.

[Brent Tucker]

And lost.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. And then. And then. And what's the other one?

[Josh Burton]

Mescaline's basically the medicine inside of it.

[Scott Payne]

Okay. Yeah. School me it.

[Josh Burton]

So real layman's terms here, we call that grad school. And it's. It's basically, you know, you take the medicine and you get into a really deep meditative state. And it's. It's very hard to do, but it's a very light medicine and.

[Brent Tucker]

Gotta want it.

[Josh Burton]

You gotta want it.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah. So it's.

[Josh Burton]

It's a really good detox.

[Scott Payne]

Can I take it on a little bit of tangent? Because what I've heard is, is if somebody has pts, right? And. And I'm gonna go with you, and you're gonna guide me on this tour. We're gonna go in. But from what I've heard, from everybody that's gone through it or doing it is. You have to go into the horror space, but it's controlled. So you take some stuff and you go into. What is it that scares me? When do I freak out? When do I have my panic attacks? So how does that. I don't understand. How is it controlled or not controlled?

[Brent Tucker]

It is.

[Josh Burton]

It's it's controlled chaos. And, you know, we're very familiar with it.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Yeah. The.

[Josh Burton]

The medicine is going to do the work for you. It's going to show you all the. The demons and the bad stuff, and it's up to you what you do with that afterwards. End of the day. Okay. And I'm probably not doing any justice. It's no very deep, long conversation. And there's different medicines for different things.

[Scott Payne]

So what I've.

[Brent Tucker]

And it's also very. And correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't done it, but a lot of our old teammates have. It's also a very personal experience. What it is for you is not what it is for someone else. It depends on what you're dealing with. With.

[Scott Payne]

You know, you got. You got to talk, but you need to talk to my boy Johnny. But I'm saying. So I. I'm. Here's me. I sit on the backside and I go, I wasn't. You guys. I wasn't. I didn't do all this Special forces stuff. I mean, I did my stuff, but PTS is there for sure when I. When I.

[Brent Tucker]

Sure.

[Scott Payne]

When I found out. And the counselor goes, oh, my gosh. God, you got pts. And I'm like, but I never went to war. This is me as well. The education. I had a lot of first responders.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes. A. Stress is stress. You got to. Stressful job.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, it's not called post murder. You know, stress. It's not called killing. Yeah. It's not called post killing and post murdering. It's. It's called post post traumatic stress. Traumatic stress. It was very much a part of your life.

[Scott Payne]

So here's what I'll tell you. I retired in 2021. Glenn Jacobs came in, declared it's Scott Payne Day and whatever. That's all great. Which, by the way, almost cried. I mean, like, I, like, like it's an emotional day anyway. But my glasses on because my eyes age and I'm looking at them. Does that say Scott Payne Day? But I meet Johnny Wilson and I'm seeing all these things. And that's when I started learning about this aftercare for pts. And I read letters that were like a wife who says, 10 years I didn't have My husband. Thank you for giving my husband back.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

So that's all I'm asking. I mean, like, is it guided or am I just going in and taking something?

[Brent Tucker]

I'm gonna leave you with this because.

[Josh Burton]

There'S so many different modalities and plant medicines, you know, you Got your ibogaine, ketamine, your ayahuasca, your psilocybin. So many different things you could take and go on a journey with. But end of the day, what the plant medicine does, it's. One night on that one journey is worth 10 years of couch therapy. And what it's going to bring out and it's. It's going to show you. That's what it does. So you can pay somebody for 10 years and sit on a couch and go nowhere.

[Scott Payne]

Here's what I say. I'm happy you guys are doing it, because people need it.

[Josh Burton]

They do. And it works.

[Brent Tucker]

Fred Baker. That was his name. That's right's last name. Long live the Drew. I love the Drew. Love that. That. That they get, that they give. I don't know if this is true. TK founded Nickelback and. You know, I shouldn't have read that comment. You know, I shouldn't have read that comment. I did that. I did that for. For Magnet's amusement. Did you see Culture walls from Canada?

[Scott Payne]

I didn't know that.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, is he really the king of cowpokes?

[Scott Payne]

Oh, that's a good one. The king of cowpokes.

[Brent Tucker]

Hawaiian pizzas. Canadian.

[Scott Payne]

I'll tell you this. In Tijuana, that's what's. There a restaurant that created the Caesar salad.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, really?

[Scott Payne]

And I'm like, caesar salad was created in Mexico.

[Brent Tucker]

Can't make it up.

[Scott Payne]

Just saying.

[Brent Tucker]

TK's patrol pack was Canadian. I believe that. I believe that. Pineapple pizza.

[Josh Burton]

I never heard that one.

[Brent Tucker]

Pine hat. Pineapple pizza with Japs is called a Pearl Harbor. Yeah, that's new to me with, like, just with jalapenos. Yeah, I think that's what they mean.

[Scott Payne]

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't sound like a combo I would want.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, it sounds great, but I'm not gonna comment on it.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's see. The sick. The sword. Not sure, but I'll read it. Shania Twain and Pam Anderson, Canadian, can produce some women.

[Scott Payne]

I'll.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll give them that.

[Scott Payne]

I mean, I'm gonna have to backpedal.

[Brent Tucker]

Shania Twain, Pamela Anderson and Justin Bieber are some of the three hottest chicks you will see.

[Scott Payne]

And the lead singer of Nickelback. Oh, man. Just kidding. Chad, how do you even read that?

[Host]

I can't. I have to have a laugh.

[Scott Payne]

Sorry. Your gummies. Let's see.

[Brent Tucker]

Get it going through. You know, the whole video is. Is that. Is that Killdozer? You know, that. That guy who, you know, armored up his. His bulldozer and ran amok through the city because he was tired of being messed with.

[Josh Burton]

Are they in Iraq?

[Brent Tucker]

No, this happened in America. Who knows what happened?

[Host]

Oh, yeah, he was being bullied by, you know.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, this is real killer.

[Host]

Yeah, it's a great document.

[Brent Tucker]

It's really happening.

[Scott Payne]

Happened.

[Host]

He. How'd they stop him?

[Josh Burton]

How did I not know about this?

[Scott Payne]

Oh, yeah, he went through a building.

[Brent Tucker]

And fell into a pool.

[Scott Payne]

What?

[Host]

He. He armored up his bulldozer and just went on a wrecking spree.

[Scott Payne]

All right.

[Host]

Because he was trying to run a legitimate business that kept taxing him or something like that.

[Brent Tucker]

The story of Kill Dozer revolves around Marvin H.E. mayer, a man who. In 2004. You were busy in 2004. It's right over.

[Josh Burton]

That's why.

[Scott Payne]

I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

Drove an armored bulldozer through the town of Granby, Colorado, and a rampage fueled by a long standing dispute with the town over zoning regulations.

[Josh Burton]

Have this dude on the show.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he didn't make it. He bears spent over a year modifying the bulldozer, making it bulletproof and equipping it with cameras and other devices to navigate and attack.

[Scott Payne]

Not a lot of modifications on the bulldozer.

[Brent Tucker]

The. The rampage resulted in destruction of 13 buildings and lasted for two hours before he. Meyer, took his own life.

[Scott Payne]

Well, okay. Yeah, the dozer overheated. He couldn't drive it anymore.

[Brent Tucker]

So.

[Scott Payne]

It reminds me of a movie called Tank. I remember a lot of it, but I remember.

[Josh Burton]

That wasn't the one with Brad Pitt, was it?

[Brent Tucker]

No, that was. That was Furry Fury. I know how to. I don't.

[Scott Payne]

So you go. You go a tank. The dude's son's arrested by a dirty sheriff. He steals a tank from the base and drives it to go rescue his son.

[Brent Tucker]

About the house.

[Host]

I got one more song, guys. All right, you get a three for tonight.

[Brent Tucker]

You told me. I took a long lady trying to think if this is a black. Telling me as an 18 year old for the first time, I'm supposed to know that's a white dude.

[Scott Payne]

Only. Only.

[Brent Tucker]

There.

[Josh Burton]

I'm seeing it now.

[Brent Tucker]

You seeing it? Okay.

[Scott Payne]

No, but.

[Brent Tucker]

What?

[Scott Payne]

But it's because you're surrounded by white people. This is why you don't understand. Like, you're like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah. Slide.

[Scott Payne]

I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

No, I don't know a single white guy that talks like that. I just don't.

[Host]

I do.

[Brent Tucker]

Not in Sanford.

[Josh Burton]

That's why he's great.

[Brent Tucker]

Not in Sanford. We got our fair share of wiggers in Sanford. I was one. She was so nice, she was loving I It is one of the best drinking songs. Love all the time. Just hanging out with the boys, smoking cigars.

[Scott Payne]

What I used to say when I was younger, it's like if you drink when you're alone, you're an alcoholic. And then he came out with I drink alone.

[Brent Tucker]

And I'm like, I think I know a little bit more about you now.

[Scott Payne]

That's pretty good song Brad.

[Host]

Did you guys answer this one?

[Scott Payne]

I don't think so.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's see what the chat say. Did y' all work with the 15th SOS MC130 Squad Quadrant Sauce? Did we? I'm sure they were. I mean if it was a MC130.

[Josh Burton]

More than likely.

[Brent Tucker]

More than likely. Yeah. I mean I'd probably recognize more if I further call sign but yeah, for sure. Let's see. Sherman Tank James Gamer Tank.

[Scott Payne]

We're getting back to the movie Tank. Yeah. Yep, yep.

[Josh Burton]

You actually like that didn't man.

[Brent Tucker]

Tank. 1984.

[Scott Payne]

Remember 1984.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, Seth B. Back in there. Delta dad says he loves the show. Love it. I do do appreciate that. Joey Moya Brett. What was your name? Max squat in the unit. I probably did 450 to 500 with blazing on my squat bench. I don't think I ever got above 340 on my bench in the unit. But. But weight wise it never got above like 215 either.

[Scott Payne]

What, what are we talking about weightlifting?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Burton]

You were a big dude for a little bit.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I was a big dude for a little bit. Yeah. Now I'm a skinny little. Thank you for, for reminding me.

[Scott Payne]

What did you bench?

[Brent Tucker]

340. I was never like. I mean that's a respectful bench. I was never like. There were guys that weighed as much as me that could put up, you know, 400. You know those, those are strong. We went some strong dudes. Yeah.

[Scott Payne]

But a lot of genetics, man. When it comes to. There's a lot of genetics.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, for sure.

[Scott Payne]

Like I squatted a house. I'm like benching.

[Josh Burton]

I'm like, you got an eight foot wingspan.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a lot of. It's a lot of distance.

[Scott Payne]

And that is why I a have six shoulder surgeries and stem cells.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Thank you. Night dive. Britt has an ear for soul brother. What do I think about the 18x program? I tell you, Shrek was really, really hard on the 18x program. But it's okay. He was wrong about a lot of things. The 18x program is a little bit polarizing because some of the worst guys that came through were 18.18x rays. And, and you can't deny that. However, some of the best dudes that came through my Q course and I worked with them at the Delta force were 18x rays. So you cannot throw the baby out with the, the bath water on that. Listen, I work with some great, great 18x rays. Having Charlie Ross or Zach Harrison as guests. Love to have those guys as.

[Scott Payne]

Okay guys.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yes. Both great dudes. Can you get gerbies from Tires on Alive? I'd love to get anyone from time. You ever watch the show Tires? By chance it was Shane Gillis had a. Had a show called called Tires and it's, it's, it's good at the beginning, but you watch enough of it. It sucks. Yeah. And I think the second season got even. Even better. So it's, it's just a bunch of famous comedians. You know. He got all his famous meaning friends to come do it. Cameos and guest roles is great. I forgot there's like a 17 minute song. So we'll be here for just a little bit. Let's get a couple more. I think my dad's bench was like 600. Holy crap. What? How did your dad.

[Scott Payne]

Natural. Ask natural or did you get a blaster?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Did he detach his legs and.

[Scott Payne]

No, it's okay.

[Brent Tucker]

And put it on his shoulders.

[Scott Payne]

You can do a blaster powerlifting you. You're allowed.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, but yeah, like I said, there are people out there with just insane. You want to get your mind blown, Go to each state for the high school bench record in each state. And we're talking about 17 year old kids with four and 500, maybe even six. I don't. Just insane.

[Josh Burton]

Probably going up every year.

[Scott Payne]

If you, if you go to the YouTube video of Gene Reich clack benching a thousand pounds. He was one of the first ones. The guy handed him the bar is a guy named Joel Toronzo, the Cuban Bull.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Scott Payne]

And I used to train with him in New Jersey.

[Brent Tucker]

That's cool. I'm a real quick.

[Scott Payne]

Tebow was squatting 400 pounds his sophomore year at Florida. Well, yeah, those are rookie numbers.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, those are rookie numbers. Actually.

[Scott Payne]

Actually squatting 400 is.

[Brent Tucker]

It's respectable.

[Scott Payne]

It's not.

[Brent Tucker]

It's respectable for a quarterback. It's respectable.

[Scott Payne]

Okay. For a quarterback. Yeah, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Careful you say about Tim Tebow.

[Scott Payne]

No, no, listen. They, they're up his, his last college season. They open with Charleston Southern. My, my college. And I'm like what? And they're like they paid us 420 grand to play him. And I'm like, oh, I'll take a buckwhip in 420 grand because they bought a new gym and everything. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Listen, this just real quick.

[Scott Payne]

He's a stud.

[Brent Tucker]

And we'll end it with this. Just. You want to talk about the Florida the highest official Florida bench press high school record is 525lbs by a Gula Nunu in 2019. 525lbs is a high schooler by an 18 year old. Get out of here.

[Josh Burton]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Gosh. Anyway, that's our show. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Scott, Josh, thank you so much for, for joining us for. Hey, for the recordings and the live.

[Scott Payne]

Thank you.

[Brent Tucker]

Really appreciate it, guys.

[Josh Burton]

Good time.

[Host]

Thank you, guys.

[Brent Tucker]

Right, let's party.