Squadcast (Live) 12/19/2024

Summary

The Antihero Podcast - Squadcast (Live) 12/19/2024 Host: The Antihero Podcast
Release Date: December 20, 2024
Description: Part Delta Force. Part Street Cop. All Truth.

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Overview

In this live Squadcast episode, host Tyler and co-host Brent are joined by Mike from Copville, marking Mike's first on-air appearance. The episode delves into personal transformations, accountability in law enforcement, insider insights into Special Operations Forces (SOF), the impact of social media on policing, and exposes on figures like Tim Kennedy and Dan Crenshaw. Additionally, the hosts engage with listener super chats, discussing donations and community support initiatives.

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Guest Introduction: Mike from Copville

[00:50] Tyler: "Welcome back to the Thursday night squadcast. Thursdays are for the boys. I'm Tyler. I'm here with Brent."
[01:09] Tyler: "We're here with Mike from Copville."
Mike, a prominent figure in the law enforcement meme community, joins the hosts to share his journey from a "dancing cop" on TikTok to a more accountable and responsible law enforcement officer.

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From Dancing Cop to Accountability

[02:19] Mike: "I was going through a rough spot. And the large trailer park girls that Snapchat you when you're making dancing cop videos kind of did it."
Mike discusses how his TikTok antics as a "dancing cop" helped him cope during tough times but eventually led to repercussions at work, pushing him towards accountability.
[02:37] Mike: "I got zapped at work and made me realize accountability and how important it is to not put down or make your team look bad."
He acknowledges that while his social media presence initially provided relief, it ultimately reflected poorly on his colleagues and Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) team, leading to his transformation.

Brent adds:
[03:25] Mike: "Yes. And I fought it."
Through a candid confrontation with a colleague who called him a "clown," Mike embraced his flaws and took responsibility for his actions, leading to a more professional demeanor.

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Brent’s Personal Transformation: From Rap Phases to Realism

[04:53] Brent:
Brent shares his own past, reflecting on his "rap phase" during middle school.
[05:07] Tyler: "Oh, you were a wigger."
[05:08] Brent: "Yes. Oh, I had my rap phase. Like, I mean, just hard. No. Eminem, Method man, hardcore rap. I was there."
He humorously recounts his attempt to emulate various music genres and how his brother’s influence steered him toward country music, aiding his shift away from an unrealistic persona.

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Listener Engagement and Super Chats

Throughout the episode, listeners contribute via super chats, offering donations and posing questions. Highlights include:

• Plight Designs Donation:
  [09:00] Tyler: "First super chat, of course, is by no one else other than Plight Designs."
  The hosts express gratitude for donations aimed at supporting first responder families.

• Community Support Initiatives:
  [12:09] Mike: "I'm sad I missed that because I would have definitely matched."
  The hosts discuss their efforts to raise funds for first responder families and the challenges of utilizing platforms like YouTube for donations due to high fees.

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Exposing Lies: Tim Kennedy and Dan Crenshaw

A significant portion of the episode focuses on exposing alleged falsehoods by Tim Kennedy and Dan Crenshaw regarding their military achievements.

• Brent’s Analysis:
  [39:07] Mike: "Our line is this. If you lie about what you did and, and, and traded your integrity for millions, then we, then we will."
  [39:38] Brent: "You have triple jump across the line."
  Brent details instances where Tim Kennedy and Dan Crenshaw are accused of fabricating their military accomplishments for personal gain, emphasizing the ethical breach and the impact on their credibility.

• Public and Media Reaction:
  [53:28] Drew: "All right. No measurements. Just figured out super Chat. Dakota Meyer, question mark, and Sean Buck Rogers. Are they legit that you know of?"
  The hosts discuss the repercussions of these false claims, including media coverage and public backlash, highlighting the importance of truth and integrity in representing law enforcement and military service.

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Drone Conspiracy Theories and Realities

The hosts explore the surge in drone sightings and the accompanying conspiracy theories, dissecting potential government involvement versus civilian misuse.

• Brent’s Insights:
  [105:38] Brent: "The heat map, I just saw a heat map. And so it just had dots all over the place."
  [107:03] Brent: "There is the conspiracy that we lost some radiological contaminants and a. And New Jersey did."
  Brent critically examines the theory that government drones are searching for lost radiological materials, debunking the idea by citing the lack of credible evidence and the impracticality of such missions given drone technology limitations.

• Technical Limitations:
  [114:02] Tyler: "But drones only have 20 minutes of battery life, so it's gonna be a strong 20 minutes of searching before it..."
  [116:02] Tyler: "Can you successfully eliminate all those drones before it drops one bomb?"
  The discussion underscores the technological constraints of drones, arguing against the feasibility of widespread, coordinated drone attacks or missions without significant logistical challenges.

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Law Enforcement Dynamics and the Thin Blue Line

The conversation shifts to the internal dynamics within law enforcement agencies and the evolving perception of the "Thin Blue Line."

• Brent’s Perspective:
  [75:34] Mike: "And they go dirty in court too. They go dirty to try to get cops."
  [75:49] Brent: "The biggest lie that's always told and it's usually told by supervisors and people in leadership is oh, it's complicated and it never is. It's not complicated."
  Brent critiques the erosion of solidarity within police forces, attributing it to administrative pressures and a lack of genuine camaraderie, which he believes undermines effective law enforcement.

• Public Support vs. Internal Strife:
  [86:38] Mike: "You're a cop. You have a gun."
  [87:02] Brent: "They probably did."
  The hosts debate how the concept of the Thin Blue Line has shifted from genuine support among officers to a symbol more embraced by civilians, often misrepresenting the true unity and challenges faced within law enforcement communities.

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Special Operations Forces (SOF) Insights

The hosts delve into the roles and perceptions of SOF members, emphasizing their critical contributions and the misconceptions surrounding their operations.

• Brent’s Expertise:
  [63:44] Brent: "If I could do my career over again, I would tell them to enlist and be a Ranger. Be a Ranger, your very first gig. Do that for your first contract and then go be a Green Beret and you will have an..."
  [64:18] Tyler: "You've got to fall back to your last qualifications. That's where they're going to send you."
  Brent advises aspiring SOF members to prioritize foundational roles like Rangers to build robust qualifications before advancing to elite units like Green Berets or SEALs.

• Training and Preparedness:
  [67:32] Mike: "I've been on a cycle every deployment I've ever been on from my first deployment to my last deployment. And roid rage is absolutely not a thing."
  [69:14] Tyler: "Do you think the CIA paramilitary operations is legit?"
  The discussion highlights the rigorous training and discipline inherent in SOF roles, debunking myths such as "roid rage" and affirming the professionalism required to excel in these demanding positions.

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Community and Listener Interactions

The episode is punctuated with numerous super chats from listeners, offering both support and posing challenging questions. Notable interactions include:

• Support for First Responders:
  [24:55] Drew: "Let's keep the holiday spirit going for first responder families in need."
  [25:03] Brent: "If you guys aren't, support families in need."
  The hosts emphasize their commitment to aiding first responder families, encouraging ongoing community support despite platform limitations.

• Technical Issues and Fun Moments:
  [89:00] Tyler: "Do not move. Show me your hands right now."
  The episode closes with playful banter and humorous takes on law enforcement scenarios, maintaining an engaging and relatable atmosphere for listeners.

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Concluding Remarks

As the podcast winds down, Tyler, Brent, and Mike reflect on the importance of truth in law enforcement and military representation. They reiterate their mission to expose dishonesty and uphold integrity within their communities. The hosts also promote Mike’s Copville page, encouraging listeners to support their initiatives through donations and merchandise purchases.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike: "I take accountability for being a moron." [02:56]
• Brent: "There's nothing weirder than people getting upset at you for telling the truth." [53:15]
• Tyler: "We have to figure out a way to use a platform that does not take YouTube, takes 30% on top of state and federal taxes." [12:31]
• Mike: "All SWAT guys have to have cicadas, right?" [61:38]
• Drew: "But you still got to go be something for the Air Force." [64:46]

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Key Takeaways

• Accountability Transformation: Both Mike and Brent share personal journeys from unprofessional behavior to embracing accountability within law enforcement.
• Exposing Integrity Breaches: The hosts critically examine and expose alleged falsehoods by prominent figures like Tim Kennedy and Dan Crenshaw.
• Community Support: Emphasis on supporting first responder families and navigating the challenges of fundraising through social media platforms.
• Drone Theories: A balanced discussion debunks conspiracy theories about drones while highlighting the importance of evidence-based analysis.
• Law Enforcement Dynamics: Insight into the shifting solidarity within police forces and the broader implications of the Thin Blue Line.
• Special Operations Insights: Valuable advice and perspectives on joining and excelling within Special Operations roles, emphasizing training and discipline.

This episode underscores The Antihero Podcast's commitment to uncovering truths, fostering accountability, and supporting the law enforcement community through honest conversations and listener engagement.

Transcript

[Drew]

Keep my name out your mouth.

[Tyler]

Welcome back to the Thursday night squadcast. Thursdays are for the boys. I'm Tyler. I'm here with Brent. And of course, we're having some major technical difficulty. As always. At 8 o'clock.

[Brent]

As always.

[Tyler]

And we're joined, you guys. Well, hold on, hold on.

[Mike]

Wait.

[Tyler]

Should we show his face right now? Do it. Okay.

[Mike]

All right.

[Tyler]

You're gonna. We're here with Mike from Copville.

[Brent]

Yeah, he's coming out of the closet.

[Tyler]

That's his face.

[Mike]

The problem was my Pakistani followers had everything.

[Brent]

Oh, is that. Is that the correct terminology? You're coming out of the closet? The meme closet.

[Mike]

I said I was coming out and.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Mike]

I didn't choose those. And then I said they were going to find out what it was inside me too. That wasn't. That wasn't the best words either.

[Brent]

No, you didn't chase. You didn't choose the meme life. The meme life chose you.

[Tyler]

It did.

[Mike]

People are gonna make fun of me if you say stuff like that.

[Brent]

They can't.

[Tyler]

Can we jump right in? The fact that you used to be a dancing cop?

[Mike]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Okay. Let's get that. Yes.

[Mike]

They're gonna roast me.

[Brent]

We kind of didn't talk about that.

[Mike]

No, we didn't.

[Brent]

Okay. Kindly leave.

[Tyler]

Once.

[Brent]

Once a dancing cop. Also, I've always a dancing cop. Is that not what we say? Well, I just made it up.

[Mike]

I bought a dancing cop shirt, though. Does that wash it out?

[Brent]

That's the only thing that washes it out. Never mind. Okay.

[Tyler]

You have been blessed.

[Mike]

I did. I did. I'm very big on account. I was an absolute clown. I was.

[Tyler]

Are you just happy where you get like.

[Mike]

I was going through a rough, rough spot. And the large trailer park girls that Snapchat you when you're making dancing cop videos kind of did it.

[Brent]

It kind of eased the pain.

[Mike]

Yeah. And I paid the price. I got zapped at work and made me realize accountability and how important it is to not put down or make your team look bad and make your guys look bad. And that's. You know, people are gonna say, oh, that guy's hard on Tick tock cops. The reason I am is because I was there and I understand the mindset of what you think you're doing.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And now I understand how bad it made my co workers look, how bad it made my SWAT team members look, and I was extremely embarrassed. And I take accountability for being a moron.

[Brent]

Man, you turn that real serious.

[Mike]

It was.

[Brent]

It's not that serious, but I Will say this, that, and that's. That's what needs to happen. In all honesty, like, you. You stopped because someone pulled you in and said, hey, like this isn't representing the. The community. Well, is that what you just said?

[Mike]

Yes. And I fought it.

[Brent]

Why doesn't that happen more often?

[Mike]

And you know when the, the guys I knew that said it because when your buddy tells you something, you're like, ah, whatever. It was actually a guy I wasn't close with. I walked up to me and he looked me dead in the face. Most guys will talk about you behind your back, right? He looked me dead in the face and he said, you are an absolute clown. And I looked at him, I wanted to fight him and I. I almost fought him. Two days went by and I sat there in the car and I looked at myself in the mirror and you were a clown. And I called that dude. He's all, you're gonna argue with me again? I said, no, dude, thank you. I said, thank you for bringing that to my face, being mad enough to walk up to me. Now, other guys did walk up to me and tell me. I just didn't want to listen, right? But this guy, who was not a really good friend at the time, who has become a good friend, had the balls to walk up to me and go, you're a clown.

[Tyler]

And I was like, is that the. Is that the motivation behind the clown logo?

[Mike]

No, but now it is.

[Brent]

You said that. I actually thought that first, but I'm.

[Mike]

Sure there'll be some, Some spin offs of that. But yeah, that was. I mean, I did, and I take accountability for it. It was very stupid.

[Tyler]

No, hey, big money to see.

[Mike]

Oh, they're there, they're there. Somebody's gonna make a meme about it. It's there.

[Brent]

Again, we. We kind of make, you know, a light of it. But to turn it serious for a second, whatever everyone does has a. Has a phase in their life that, that they're not proud of or 10. Yeah. I mean, thankfully I got mine done a little bit earlier, but what was that?

[Tyler]

Were you a goth?

[Brent]

No. No. I feel like in middle school guys go weird in two ways. Yes, Goth is one. What's the other thing? Middle class white kids do skater.

[Tyler]

Oh, you were a wigger.

[Brent]

Yes. Oh, I had my rap phase. Oh, man, did I have my rap phase. Like, I mean, just hard. No. Eminem, Method man, hardcore rap. I was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, my brother was. Was straight country at the time, right? Gun. And. And honestly, I. I don't think I blame you so much for that. You did not try hard enough to pull me out of that. You didn't make fun of me enough. You didn't, you know, you didn't. Like, it's true. I wouldn't say, like, I. I knew you weren't happy about it, but you never really. Like, no. Like, none of my good friends were like, hey, what? Where is this leading to?

[Mike]

Like, my dad. I ignored him.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I told him I was humanizing the badge.

[Brent]

And in fact, at that point in our life, we lived.

[Mike]

We.

[Brent]

We actually had just turned the corner financially as a family, and we lived in a big house, and I was. I wouldn't even say middle class. We were up on upper middle class at least. And here I am walking around the neighborhood with my walkman and headphones on, listening to the ghettoist of music that. That I couldn't relate to.

[Mike]

I think we all went through that.

[Brent]

I couldn't relate to by any means. And all it talked about was, you know, bitches and hoes and drugs, which is nothing a part of my life.

[Drew]

But it did translate into your basketball game, which you were pretty good at.

[Brent]

Did Transl. Think.

[Drew]

The chats want to know what was your rap of choice then?

[Brent]

Gosh, I. It's been so long. So what got me into it was the original Snoop Dogg album, the Doggy House or something like that. Doggy style. And I'm gonna try so hard. There was another one of that era that it. It led me down like some. Like some other, like really, like harder core, like gangster rap rappers and that. Like, like N.W.A. oh, yeah, but there's another one.

[Mike]

Public Enemy was a big one.

[Brent]

I'm gonna think of his name. He died of DMX of cancer. DMX was later. This is like late 80s, early 90s rap. Imma think of it. I'm gonna think of it and, And. And get back with you guys. But yeah, it was. It was. It was a weird phase, but, you know, I needed someone to come at me like, you.

[Mike]

How'd you look?

[Brent]

Like an idiot.

[Drew]

I failed you as a brother.

[Brent]

You know what? There's. Sometimes there's two ways to get out of it. Someone will just come up to you and tell you, hey, you. You're an idiot. What are you doing?

[Mike]

Yeah, I've heard that.

[Brent]

And the other thing that gets you out of it is people you respect that just act differently and you want to emulate them. And although you could have pulled me out of it quicker, Drew.

[Drew]

Yes.

[Brent]

Emulating my brother and wanting to. And wanting to Be him and, you know, go to. Go to the. Go to the parties with him and sing and really going to country parties pulled me out of it because going to those backwoods country parties, you know, you know, mud. Going to the mud holes and things like that, and you meet like good country people. Like, these are. These are good people. Like, I want to emulate good people. And it didn't happen fast, but it happened eventually.

[Drew]

Country girls can pull you out of some dark spots, God bless them. Country girls.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I would make a. Like a rap tik tok then a country one right after it. So I was just all mixed up.

[Tyler]

Was it easy he died of aids, though.

[Brent]

Yeah, I. Easy E was one of them. Easy E was one of them. But that wasn't the one I was thinking of. But absolutely easy is one of them.

[Drew]

And the ghetto is coming out of all the chats.

[Mike]

My gosh. I can actually read it. It's in.

[Brent]

It's in. It's in that era.

[Mike]

I can't see three feet in front of me, but I can see the screen.

[Brent]

Someone is going to. Is going to think of this guy's name. It is. It is in that era.

[Drew]

All right. First super chat, of course, is by no one else other than Plight Designs.

[Tyler]

Hey, we got your package. He sent you like 80 books.

[Mike]

Brent, can you read?

[Brent]

Not 80 books, but yeah, he got.

[Tyler]

We got your package.

[Brent]

Oh, awesome.

[Tyler]

It was super heavy. I'm like, what the was it Guy said?

[Brent]

What was some of the books?

[Tyler]

I don't know. It's still at my house.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Tyler]

I didn't bring it here because we're switching studios.

[Brent]

Yeah, we are switching studios. And was it in a white box like he. Like he said?

[Tyler]

Yeah. U.S. mailbox.

[Brent]

Yeah. Okay, awesome. Thank you. What's he got for.

[Drew]

Was it a special forces fictional library or something? Yeah.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Drew]

Plight Designs got yelled at at work, apparently singing. Do you hear what I hear? And a psych word is frowned upon. Anyways, you wake up in the 28 days later world. Remember that movie?

[Brent]

No, I don't.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

What is 28 days later?

[Tyler]

The zombie movie. But it's not. It's not undead zombies. It's a virus zombie.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And they. It came out like 2005 and it's got Cillian Murphy in it from Peaky Blinders.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

And. And. And it's a.

[Brent]

You know, he's only five foot eight.

[Tyler]

I'm only five foot nine. What's wrong with that?

[Brent]

Well, you're looking down on him, but.

[Tyler]

Well, the English People were short back then.

[Brent]

Well. Well, yeah, they're still short. Very accurate.

[Drew]

Anyway, you wake up in the 28 days later world.

[Tyler]

I'll answer this.

[Drew]

Out of all your guests, you haven't heard the question yet. Tyler.

[Tyler]

I know. Out of all.

[Drew]

Who are you all picking to join you? Mike, you get to pick anyone, any Christmas.

[Mike]

Anyone.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Oh, one person.

[Drew]

One person.

[Mike]

Jerry the Goat Worms Cops Episode one.

[Brent]

Oh, I was gonna. I was gonna. I was gonna see if they knew who that guy was.

[Mike]

They probably do. If they follow me. Yeah, that's who I'm picking with the nunchucks.

[Drew]

All right, Tyler.

[Tyler]

Oh, shit. Out of all of our guests.

[Brent]

All our guests. Oh. Oh, I know this one.

[Tyler]

You go first. Let me think.

[Brent]

We didn't say his whole name on the episode, so I'll refrain from this. Taylor.

[Tyler]

Yep. You. Oh, okay. That's the. It's. I can't. I've taken a tier one guy for shot placement. I'm assuming I can't take Brent because it's a guess, but Brett technically was a guest.

[Brent]

Oh, I was a guest, actually, Yes.

[Tyler]

I was a guest, so I would take Brent. Nice. Bob Keller would just be mean the whole time. Taylor was pretty cool.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Drew]

Rhyme Time uk. Thank you for the gift.

[Brent]

Bob would be a good pick. Bobby could pick.

[Drew]

Thank you, gents. Just ordered some merch. Can't wait to get it. Fantastic podcast. Thank you very much.

[Brent]

Oh, thank you. Hey, if you guys aren't. If. You know, for the few who didn't tune in last week, we raised $6,000 for a first responder family with the super chat money alone. Just. Just last week. I don't know.

[Tyler]

We.

[Brent]

We won't. We. We will do that again. I don't know how often we'll do that, but that will not be the last time we do a live and. And have you guys support families in need. And you guys came strong and I cannot thank you guys enough.

[Mike]

I'm sad I missed that because I would have definitely matched.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you would have matched it.

[Mike]

I would have matched all those. Donate everything. You guys were getting in, I would have pitched in.

[Drew]

We'll have another one.

[Tyler]

We' don't do it during a donation. You just do it on a regular.

[Brent]

You know what?

[Mike]

I don't know. That's 100.

[Drew]

This is.

[Mike]

No, but I saw that. That's amazing. You guys did that. And I was actually like, man, I don't know. If you did that every week. I would have matched those donations.

[Tyler]

So what we do have to do is some of The. Some of our viewers were actually right. We have to figure out a way to use a platform that does not take YouTube, takes 30% on top of state and federal taxes. You're looking at close to 30. 50 is wiped out. Yeah. So there's got to be a down.

[Brent]

On us there on that. Yeah, we'll figure that out. Okay. We will figure that out. I took away what I was gonna say next. I forgot I was gonna say, oh, you know what really kind of gave me that idea. And it's. It's kind of what I've always envisioned and hope, you know, FRCC would be. And you know, with Anti Hero can be. This is a. I hate. That's a little bit dated now, but do you guys remember the Chive?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yes.

[Mike]

They still have a TV channel. Yeah.

[Brent]

Most people only know them from the TV channel that. That plays at bars, but I used to have the Chive app and. And I would get bored and I'd. And that's. That's really where like a lot of memes and funny stuff. Keep calm.

[Mike]

I had the shirt and the shirt.

[Brent]

And the tribe was awesome at its. At its peak because it's funny memes and hot chicks and. And jokes and everything. But they always did a cool thing called Chives charities. And whenever they'd get behind something, they'd be like, hey, this. You know, I'll just make it up. And it was like this. This family has a kid with special needs. They need a. They need a minivan that can hold a wheelchair. And in one day, they would be like, we need $60,000 to raise money to buy this minivan. And they'd raise like $80,000 and they'd buy the minivan and give the family 20 grand.

[Mike]

That's awesome.

[Brent]

Like, I really think maybe I'm naive, but we could be like that first responder hub that pulls resources together to actually move the needle when people have a problem. And I think that's the beginning of it.

[Tyler]

The hardest part, I will say, is selection. Selection of who gets it. Vetting, you know, that's all. It's all. And then gathering all the funds, having some kind of setup to where you're not having to use give, send, go or go fund me. You have your own way of bringing it in. And I think we'll get there.

[Brent]

Yeah. I think the selection part actually will come from the listeners and. And the viewers. I think they will. I think. I mean, you still have to vet them to some degree, but when they. But when they come from good people you know, they're already, you know, the, the, they're already vetted to some level, you know, already like they're already a good candidate just because they came from.

[Mike]

Yeah, somebody knows the story. Somebody recommended it.

[Drew]

So that's Definitely all right. Creature 96 Burton Girth, TFTB what was the final tally of the X Men? The Christmas fund for last week's fallen officer. We talked about that. Over $6,000 thanks to all super chats. When will the next installment of Tim Bago Grenades Kennedy be loving the show on shift in uk? All truth, all girth.

[Brent]

In fact, I just took a phone call about this today where we're still continuing to take phone calls from people that were mentioned in his book and got took a phone call today about a whole chapter in his book about. We'll just call it a rescue operation. And the guy's like, he names my non profit and everything in that chapter is just a lie. So we're. That we always talked about you possibly doing three. That would go over to the, you know, the third one. I don't want to say too much because I hate to say like we're doing some sort of a chess match, but we kind of are. So if we give away too much information, Tim is going to make moves. He's not going to take this, you know, lying down. So I have to be a little bit careful. But at some point in July, we'll have people that I'm. July. I'm sorry.

[Tyler]

Damn.

[Brent]

January is what we're hoping, but it's hard to get a bunch of different people to show up at one location on the same day. But we're, we're working at that issue now. End of January, we should have the next installment and I'm guessing if you just put me on the spot. And February, we'll call that a continuation of the first episode. Really is what that is. You will be pleasantly not. I wouldn't say surprised, but you will like what, what that episode is about. It takes away all the, the what ifs, maybes. It just absolutely drills down on everything we've already drilled down on. And then we'll do a follow on the episode two probably in February.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I'm a firm believer now. Tim Kennedy is mentally ill. There's. That guy really thinks he can fool the world and then convince the world that he is not lying, that he.

[Brent]

Can lie on top of lies and get away with it. And he's doubling down.

[Tyler]

Oh my God.

[Drew]

Not here at all. Truth. All right. James Smith. Women are like Parking spots. All of the good ones are taken. So when one is watching you slip into a handicap.

[Tyler]

One. All right.

[Brent]

Oh, I guess when no one.

[Drew]

No one. I'm sorry. When no one is watching you slip into a handicap one. Reverend Tucker, am I going to hell for writing that reference?

[Brent]

Tucker, that's you, Drew.

[Drew]

No, you're going to hell for other things, I think.

[Tyler]

I don't know.

[Mike]

That's probably very mild.

[Tyler]

Oh, and I don't want to forget to talk about old Dan Crenshaw. Eddie Gallagher said that him and TK Are tight, which would make sense on why he kind of. Why he kind of went a little overboard, I think, with a little bit of a joke.

[Brent]

Do you want to explain the. The Instagram comment issues we were having? He's putting you on the spot. But there were some Instagram. We had a setting.

[Tyler]

There was some reels, apparently, allegedly were not allowing comments. However, I never found them. And I would ask people that because we have haters, and we have people that would message us and go, oh, you cowards are leaving your comments off. And I'm like, send me the real.

[Mike]

I saw that.

[Tyler]

Send me the real. Send it to me, and I will fix it. I want to know what's going on. And they would never reply. So I always chalked them up as, like, they tried something, called my bluff, and they didn't think I'd go, let me fix this issue.

[Brent]

Right.

[Tyler]

Talking about. So that being said, I went and investigated a little bit more, and, I mean, putting me on the spot. I have to put. It wasn't me. It was. It was somebody else that has access to our account. I think it was doing damage control during shell.

[Brent]

During shell shock. Yeah.

[Tyler]

And there was a setting where some reels did not allow comments from anybody that we weren't following or that was following us. You had to meet one of those parameters.

[Brent]

Right. And that was when we were getting trolled heavy by the Kyle Rittenhouse thing. By the Kyle Rittenhouse thing. By the antifa being like the. The wok started, you know, started sending their. Their army. But. But I. I. I wish you to ask me. Be honest. Be honest with you. I. I don't care if people leave and ridiculous comments. We need it.

[Tyler]

It drives the algorithm.

[Brent]

Yeah, it drives the algorithm up. So. Yeah. So we wouldn't even done that.

[Tyler]

I run off your hate.

[Brent]

And while we're talking about that, I've. I've seen these comments before on our YouTube channel. We're like, you're deleting comments. We've never deleted comments on our YouTube videos Ever. Ever. And it's the most ridiculous thing to say because if you go look at all of our comments, all the hater comments are there and we normally, normally when I have time, like, I'll if, if they're, if it's like a specific out. If they're just calling us a name, whatever. But if they put an allegation, I'll. I'll write back and, and say, hey, like, that's actually not true. And I'll at least converse with them. So if you think we're deleting bad comments off of our YouTube, we're doing a horrible job of it because there's a ton of them on there.

[Tyler]

If I, and if I find out someone in on our team is, I will let you know. Just like we found out that, you know, maybe there was. There was a setting that was maybe limiting people from commenting.

[Brent]

This I know is happening. I have left replies to. To hater comments or just. Or positive comments and my reply has not been posted on YouTube. There is something weird that does happen. Yeah with, with YouTube comments. And then I go. And then I go back, you know, a day later and then it's there. I don't YouTube comments. Something's weird with YouTube, but I tell you what it's not. It ain't us deleting comments.

[Tyler]

So we'll be very transparent. That's what happens. Sometimes things happen when you have a team of people working one one platform. If you don't communicate one thing to the rest of the team, they don't know. And so. And then obviously then they hit the problem. But if you made the change, then if they don't say anything, then they're not gonna know to tell you. It's. It's. But we're working through it and no malicious intent on our end. Dan Crenshaw could absolutely come and comment on the real. That he wasn't even insulted in. I don't think so.

[Brent]

This, this has happened a couple times when you make a short about us laughing or making fun of someone. And it comes from.

[Tyler]

That came from y'all.

[Brent]

And it comes from. It comes from the super chats and then of course. But Dan Crenshaw doesn't know that we weren't making fun of. Of Dan. Like Dan's name even got. Got brought up here because the super chat, you know, brought it up. So, you know, he doesn't even know what he's weighing in on. You know, the last time we did that was the. That you did that. That people. You go in the comment section, they misread it because they don't watch enough of her shows. Was the. What was the joke about seals? What do you call.

[Tyler]

Oh, Sean Ryan did.

[Brent]

Yeah, but what was the joke that. That the super chat was. What. What do you call it? When Drew. Do you remember it? Oh, oh.

[Tyler]

When. When seals engage drug.

[Brent]

When seals and drugs. When seals engage drug dealers. Friendly friendly fire. That's right. And that was the joke. That was. That was a hilarious joke. He found it funny. Eddie Gallagher weighed in, you know, and found it funny. It was just a joke. Get over it, people.

[Drew]

All right. No measurements. Thank you so much for the gift. Apache 64 Hunter. Cool name. Speak of country parties. How many times did you both go to Cadillac Ranch?

[Brent]

Cadillac Ranch. Oh, let me tell you about the Cadillac. That one.

[Tyler]

Is that at Fayetteville.

[Brent]

That is a Fayetteville country bar. And they used to have Thursday nights and Friday nights was their big nights when I was in language school. And we'd go on Thursday night and Friday night and we'd call it back to Back lack Cadillac Ranch. I've probably been there a hundred times.

[Drew]

Were they parking cars in the old beef pasture?

[Brent]

That's where I learned to watermelon crawl.

[Drew]

All right, back man Union about to enjoy cigar. Delta, limited edition. Thanks for support online. Oh, back a good time tonight. Cheers.

[Brent]

Still wear the black hat they sent me. It's good. It's good hat.

[Drew]

Zulu whiskey. Who are better shooters in cqb, CIF or Delta?

[Brent]

SIF or Delta? Well, I don't know. One's a national mission force and one isn't. So it's not a slight on them. It's Delta. They're the best CQB shooters in the world.

[Drew]

I have a buddy who was SIF and a gm took second in the world last year in idpa.

[Brent]

So I will tell you that. And that dude is probably a badass shooter, but he's a badass shooter in a GM because he does that on his. On his own time. Which is. Which is great. Which is what? You know, he's all in on his job. Awesome. He probably outshoot me. He can shoot me out, shoot me on a flat range. It's very different than CQB.

[Mike]

Shoot me everywhere.

[Drew]

All right. Salvador Bolanos, $50. Thank you, Brother Brent. I spent many years with 320 SFG A as enabler. You know my boy Ryan K. He retired from 320 last year. Love your content coffee. Specifically the bourbon, pecan and cigars. I work as a parole officer in the Greater Boston.

[Brent]

Greater Boston area. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Spent a lot of time in 320, and I know the Ryan K you're talking about, and he sends me pictures of him smoking FRCC cigars all the time. Good dude.

[Drew]

No measurement. Doing it again. Thank you, brother Devnix. Mike, match this. Let's keep the holiday spirit going for first responder families in need.

[Mike]

All right, send it to Cobbill on Instagram. Send me the link and I'll match it.

[Drew]

All right, that's it. Send it one more time.

[Mike]

Mike, my Instagram is Copville, so you send it. If you DM me on Copville, the link, or whatever it is, I'll match it.

[Brent]

For those of you deaf, Nick, you devious dog.

[Tyler]

Yeah. For those just joining, this is Mike. This is the first time the world has seen his face. He's the head, the master of the very successful meme page, Copville.

[Brent]

That 123,000 followers on Instagram.

[Tyler]

And, and it's one of those things, like, good stuff. We've dealt with it with a podcast where if you're just good at what you do, you know, people are going to hate on you. And you broke the mold and you didn't, you know, you didn't do everything that everybody else didn't go a slow route. You just did your own thing.

[Mike]

Dumb luck. I mean, I, I, I started the page out of anger with the admin, which is what most of the memes are about, and it got traction and it took off, and here we are. It's wild.

[Drew]

All right, Mike Garonio. I nailed it. All right. Just discovered the podcast. All right, all right. Been bringing on it during night shifts. Thanks for all you do. Never donated like this before, so hope I'm doing it right.

[Tyler]

I've never donated like this before.

[Drew]

Sliding bar won't let me do an even 50, so I'm not being a cheap duck. Merry Christmas. I love it. Thanks, Mike.

[Brent]

Nice.

[Drew]

The Burton Kyler Show.

[Brent]

Hell, yeah.

[Tyler]

So people get our names wrong on purpose.

[Brent]

I don't know why. I don't know where that came from and why and why it's caught fire.

[Tyler]

Well, okay, I will do it. A lot of people, when we, when, when we started, like, blowing up, people didn't know that his name was Brandt Brent. Like Brad Brad. And like, because, you know, and then it just became like this thing where people were purposely calling him Brandt Burn.

[Mike]

Yeah. So when I worked, it beats cat daddy. We would intentionally call the older white guys Like Bob or Bill. Just to see if sneaking in and see if they would notice. Sure thing, Bill. And see what they notice. No idea what their name. Sir, can I, can I go through here? Sure, Bill, you can come on through. Like directing traffic. We would have a little fun.

[Brent]

It's always those small little shenanigans. It's like almost like the Meow game with Super Super Troopers really was based on a true story.

[Mike]

We all had little things sneak little jokes in during calls.

[Tyler]

And it's also a. It's also a power move when you're talking to somebody and you know, all right, Bill, whatever. Yeah, that is not Bill.

[Drew]

So he says check out Dono chats or stream elements to avoid the tube tax. Keep it going, fellas.

[Brent]

The tube tax.

[Tyler]

Don't know. Write it in your book of things.

[Brent]

I have an actual book. Thank you, Vanessa.

[Drew]

And stream elements.

[Brent]

Is Vanessa in the comments?

[Drew]

She's there.

[Brent]

Oh, yeah. Thank you, Vanessa Plight Designs.

[Drew]

Is there a chance that you guys can start a 501C? You could reach out to people like Hunter7, third option, etc. To have them as guests and as people to help guide.

[Brent]

So the Hunter seven Foundation, I know them from a past venture and there are great. We actually have a 501C3 through. You know, FRCC has one the Cat 2 Foundation. So we're already set up four one and approved. So we should probably leverage that better some somehow through. Through the podcast. But we'll. We'll figure that out. Yeah, we got to do a brain. Trust me.

[Mike]

I need to figure that out too because I've donated. I. I'm just. I don't know how to even begin with taxes and donations and where to even start. Obviously it's the first year I run the page, so that's going to be the nightmare reminder.

[Brent]

We'll talk about that after the. After podcast. Yeah, I'll. I'll share you the. The little I do know about that give you at least one step ahead.

[Drew]

Take a break from the super chats and hit a video. How. What do you guys think?

[Brent]

The one thing I did want to talk about because some people talked about it and it wasn't a super chat, but I saw it in the chats. The BRCC podcast with Evan Hafer and Andy Stump. Evan was talking about something he did and he misquoted the number. I forget what they were talking about. But then he kind of backed up that number and he made a joke. He goes, oh, hold on. That. I want to get that number right, because I don't want it to be stolen valor. And then Andy stumps is like, oh, yeah, that's not. Stolen valor is a hot topic right now. Let's not do that. And so someone's like.

[Mike]

They're.

[Brent]

They're watching. If, of course, you better believe that was. That was in reference to Tim Kennedy and his stolen valley.

[Tyler]

All they're doing is quietly dissing themselves. There's gonna see. If this fades into the darkness and Tim Kennedy continues to be. Then they're gonna bring him back in. He's a money maker. He's a face of the company. If this keeps tanking and they're just eventually just going to be like, tim, like, erase them from history.

[Brent]

I. I almost said. I hate to say it, but. But I don't.

[Mike]

Because this.

[Brent]

Because Tim's not owning it. This is not going to go away. We will put it back in the spotlight and it will get, you know, and it'll start all over again. We're far, far. We've only done two chapters in the.

[Tyler]

Book with just a tip, baby.

[Brent]

It's far from over. This isn't. This isn't going anywhere.

[Drew]

Guys want to do a video?

[Brent]

Let's do a video.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Drew]

Which one you want to start with?

[Tyler]

Go down. Oh, that one. Up, up. Right there, actually. Yeah. Oh, that's.

[Brent]

Dude.

[Mike]

Oh, God.

[Tyler]

This is where the Ride along saves the.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Saves the day.

[Brent]

Hired.

[Tyler]

Oh, no, sorry. This is the sr.

[Mike]

You're right.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Mike]

Still ride along.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Astronaut.

[Brent]

Quit. That's the bomb.

[Tyler]

Quit.

[Mike]

That's the bomb.

[Drew]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Take over.

[Brent]

Take over.

[Tyler]

What a.

[Brent]

Oh, and it's soft right there. You hold on. All right. Okay. This is the beginning of it. All right.

[Tyler]

The back. The back. This is the one where he clearly fails to engage. He's probably a great dancer, though. And then running away as he's telling people to get covered. Like, you're a cop. You have a gun.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Brent]

To turn your back and run is crazy. I. I don't want to. I don't know where to start with this. Well, I really don't.

[Mike]

The number one first thing we learn is that's like the first draw we do in the academy.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That's the exact scenario you ended up in. He was close quarters. He held it looked like he grabbed the gun to start it. The first thing he. I mean, that's the hip shoot qualification, everybody.

[Tyler]

The first one.

[Mike]

The first one.

[Brent]

Two shots from the hip. First one.

[Tyler]

That's it.

[Brent]

That's the one.

[Mike]

You wait your whole life for that one. So you can't miss.

[Brent]

He's right there. We. We talked about this last week with that. That guy. That was very. A unique situation. You remember, it was like getting called out of McDonald's. And he was. And he was super calm. It didn't look like he. To do anything. And then he did. And we ended up saying, hey, at the end of the day, this guy got kind of caught up in a gray area. You either close the distance or. Or you create distance. It's one or the other. So it's the same thing in this. You either have to close the distance. If you're going to create distance, you don't create distance by turning your back and running. I mean, he's. So if that guy. The only reason why he's alive right now is that the end of the day, that guy pulled a gun and missed. But he didn't want to use it like he really did. He didn't want. He didn't want to kill a cop that day. It's the only reason he's alive. You either have to do what you're talking about, close with, grab the gun, block out of the way, pull. Yeah, pull your gun. And then. He doesn't pull a gun. He. He brings a taser to a gunfight. It's just, he is so, so unprepared and so lucky he's alive today.

[Tyler]

Speaking of running, can you go back to the videos and go to the video above? That one right there?

[Brent]

Oh, this one. Oh, this one's painful.

[Tyler]

Females, you got some explaining to do.

[Brent]

She's already shaking her head and discussed. Have you seen this one yet? Oh.

[Tyler]

He was spitting all over. I mean, they're talking tough, too. They're like, oh, we ain't doing this.

[Drew]

Wrong.

[Tyler]

Hospital.

[Mike]

But the body language is soft.

[Tyler]

Which hospital do you go to.

[Brent]

Sir? Can you unlock the door? See, this is why we don't do this. Could you pause it for just a second in case, you guys. In case, you know, like, what. What do you think? Why is she saying this is why we don't do this? Is there something that.

[Mike]

That explains some type of call, civil something.

[Brent]

They say it all the time, they discuss, like, this is why we don't do this. And I just. I. I'm probably some type.

[Mike]

Whatever the call type, I would guess.

[Tyler]

It's a good question. That's actually a really good question because that could be paramount to what's going on.

[Brent]

Right? Okay. I was just seeing if you.

[Mike]

If.

[Brent]

If you guys may have.

[Tyler]

This is why we don't do this, man.

[Drew]

Killing it.

[Brent]

She's like, I didn't sign up for this.

[Mike]

No, there's a tick tock in the cars.

[Tyler]

The craziest thing about it is they were the one that initiated or kind of made it worse. You know, they were the ones talking the. And like, yo, get out here. It'd be different if they were in the back. Like, I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here. And the guys initiated something and then they ran. Still bad. Yeah, but to be the one that created the problem, I mean, they weren't very customer service friendly. I get being frustrated.

[Drew]

We don't know the context either.

[Brent]

Yeah, I do wish I knew more. The context. I. I saw this video. It's funny you brought this one up. I looked for it. I looked for like, more. More background and I just couldn't, you know, it's hard to find background in some of these, you know, random videos. Videos. Maybe it. It'd help us out more. But it's funny. Like the girls who do the most talking and then you see the. The black officer and like in the middle of it, he doesn't say anything. He's just sitting there, just, Just taking it in.

[Mike]

To me, he looks like he's mentally prepared for what may be coming.

[Brent]

Yeah, he's just taking it in. That's right.

[Mike]

What the next action.

[Brent]

Right. And. And then ends up executing that plan quickly. Saving that.

[Mike]

Never spoke a word.

[Brent]

And didn't. Didn't speak a word. Didn't speak a word. Man, I hope. I hope that. Hope that officer is giving the other officer a Christmas card every year for saving. For saving her life.

[Drew]

All right, we got a super chat. Did you do sniper in Georgia or Arkansas?

[Mike]

Who.

[Drew]

I guess he's talking to you. Did you do sniper in Georgia? Arkansas.

[Brent]

I believe the question is, like, the big army sniper school is in Georgia. He may be thinking there's some sniper course in Arkansas. If there's. I don't know of it. I went to the level one special operations target interdiction course. Sniper school in Fort Bragg.

[Drew]

All right. Not as tactical as your. I don't know what the rest of it is. It's a long name. Thoughts on Brit Slab, Slabinski and Roberts Ridge. Also, why do I never hear of liars in Delta?

[Brent]

Oh, so Slab. So that he was talked about in our episode with Eric Deming. Eric Deming with Roberts Ridge does talk about Slab. So I would tell you to go back that episode. It's not necessarily. I'm not playing political on this. I Don't know enough about it. But Eric, who was the subject matter. Eric Deming was the subject matter expert on it, and so he weighed in on it. So I will refer to you to that episode, Roberts Ridge, we did it with, with Eric Deming.

[Tyler]

It was actually the episodes of Marcus Luttrell one.

[Brent]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. He happened to cover.

[Tyler]

He covered a lot.

[Brent]

Yeah, he covered a lot on that. And I can tell you it wasn't, it wasn't flattering. Why do you hear. Never hear of liars and Delta? We have a better selection process. Leave it that.

[Drew]

Yeah, all right, Jonathan.

[Brent]

But we're not perfect. That's right.

[Drew]

Just almost.

[Tyler]

I, I don't. I get back and forth vibes about this Shrek guy from you.

[Brent]

Well, well, that if, that if it keeps on getting pressed and keeps on getting pressed, it's not because I. It's, it's, it's okay. It's, it's, it's this. The people we've called out have been just absolutely, like, over, just over the top. And they made millions with their, with, with their lies. If you want me to go around and calling out, like, the dirt on every single veteran that's out there, you'll find it. Shrek's not perfect. I'm not perfect. You know, will there be a day, like, you know, we, we make a stance on it maybe, like, I, I just have to do my due diligence before I really go out there and, you know, and go loud about something.

[Mike]

What's the line?

[Tyler]

Classic.

[Mike]

What? What? As a. I didn't do what you did. So when somebody that's done your job and had serious stuff.

[Brent]

But what's our line?

[Mike]

Where is it for you that, like, is unacceptable?

[Brent]

That's, That's a great question. And we've, and we've, we've had to, we've had to answer this before. Our line is this. If you lie about what you did and, and, and traded your integrity for millions, then we, then we will. Then we will go after you if we can. If we can prove it and we know without a shadow of a doubt, then we will absolutely prove it.

[Tyler]

And they're big lies, too. A silly story. Like we always joked about, like, fish story Tim Kennedy. Like, if it had just been the 50 grenades embellishment and that's it, it wouldn't have been worth anybody's time. It would have just been like the big fish story.

[Brent]

But once you start saying we'll go through the, the short list, like, really, when it comes to people. We've called out Rob O'Neill and Tim Kennedy. When you go into a room with four seals and. And. And the. In the lead, SEAL killed Osama bin Laden, and you erase history and say, no, no, no. I was the only guy that went in there and I killed him. And you were not. And you were not the only guy in there, and you weren't the guy that killed him. And then you wrote a book and made millions of dollars of it. Like, that's crossing the lines. When you. When you're Tim Kennedy and you say you have valor awards that you don't have, you say you have 20 sniper kills that you don't have. You say you defended against 400 Iranians. That never happened. And you're just telling lies and stolen valor for millions of dollars. You have. You.

[Mike]

I came in.

[Brent]

You have, like, you have triple jump across the line.

[Mike]

I saw his explanation for the Purple Heart was where I came in, and.

[Brent]

Like, it's in the mail.

[Mike]

Kind of got it, didn't. It? Was. Should have been his, but he didn't get it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

It's just not.

[Tyler]

It doesn't happen. No.

[Brent]

No. And. And it goes back to that. If it was just the Purple Heart, to be honest with you, we wouldn't have done an episode just off of that. You know, we may have brought it up. Maybe, Maybe not. There's. There's 20 different things, you know, that's. That's. That's wrong with this historian. All equally egregious. So, yeah, there's. There's answer to that.

[Tyler]

All right, super chats.

[Drew]

All right, super chats are getting funky on my screen here. Don't know why, but here we go. Here's Scott Egan, FRCC coffee is way better than brcc, hands down.

[Brent]

Bourbon Pecan rocks is our favorite.

[Drew]

Guy knows his coffee. But Crack Malone? You guys deserve UFC belts. Have you had videos yanked for dropping truth bombs? Much love, fellas.

[Brent]

You want to answer that?

[Tyler]

We had our Tim Kennedy video actually. Not only age restricted for. Not only restricted for ads, but it was restricted for age, so you have to sign into YouTube to watch it. You have to be 18 years or older. There's a domestic dispute going on outside our studio.

[Mike]

Yeah, there's something happening.

[Brent]

Give me a second.

[Tyler]

Where. Who's got the guns?

[Mike]

I got mine in my.

[Tyler]

Okay, I'm hiding behind Mike.

[Drew]

All right, everybody go pee, get a drink. We'll be back in 60 seconds.

[Mike]

Maybe it's the feds.

[Tyler]

Maybe it's Tim. He's here.

[Drew]

Just heard Some yelling outside.

[Tyler]

Everything good?

[Brent]

Nah, just nothing too quick. Taps getting fixed. All right, and. And did it have an effect? It absolutely had an effect. That video got 300,000 views in, like the first week, and it's got 30,000 views since then. It's slowed it down to a crawl.

[Tyler]

And everybody, and everybody we've talked to, we had a journalist reach out to YouTube. That is experience in reaching out to YouTube. Made contact with three separate people. David Hookstead, I think he said three people. No one would give him an answer. And he said the only people with weight like that are people like Tim Kennedy's publicists who have a contact in YouTube. You need it. There's nothing in that video that should make it age restricted.

[Brent]

I'll say that that's. That's his opinion, and it's probably a good opinion, but that's. That is opinion based. Yeah. I have to say that. Can't prove it. Can you prove it?

[Tyler]

You can't. You don't have to say. It's pocket. I can say whatever the. You ain't get your news from me, dude. So. But yeah, that's. I think the only one that's ever been. Really. None of them have been taken down that I know that I can remember.

[Brent]

But don't worry, they better. They better act quick when the next one drops because it's gonna get three to 500,000 views as well. So you've only slowed that one down. There's more to come.

[Drew]

Appointment podcast. 15 year Leo Swat in northern New Hampshire. Thank you for your service.

[Brent]

Thank you.

[Drew]

Keep up the great work. Brent, transferring into a Civil Affair unit in the Reserves as a medic. Do you have any insight?

[Brent]

I. I don't. I worked for Civil Affairs a lot as a. As an SF guy, and they're. They're great, great, great people. Did great things. Just be up. Be up on. On. On. On your medical stuff. Even though Civil affairs is a kind of a. A unique job, you'll. You'll get to use that. That medical work in a bunch of different ways.

[Tyler]

I. I caught a couple drew that I think you lost.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Jonathan Duke, 20 bucks. Merry Christmas, guys. Keep doing the Lord's work. Have y'all thought about having the FNG Academy on the podcast? They actually started following us. You know, they are. No, it's a Green Beret. He had a SF. He had a YouTube channel that prepped for people for the.

[Brent]

For the. For the. For selection of the Q course. Okay. You know, whatever. I mean, it's a pretty common term, but Fng.

[Tyler]

New guy.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

So. But yeah, yeah, absolutely. We should actually message him and see what's up. Tim Kennedy feeds Dan Crenshaw corn on the cob the long way. Tyler, if I get a second slot, would you want to do the D day jump with me? With your boy Gator?

[Brent]

Yeah, you better take him up on that D Day jump.

[Tyler]

And I'm gonna paint my face like Tim Kennedy.

[Brent]

Oh, yeah, and do a book.

[Tyler]

How do you make D Day about you? The one day you can't. You can't just honor. You can't honor people. You have to make it about you.

[Brent]

Tell me something he hasn't made about him.

[Drew]

You can't do it earlier. 1. Get. Get a shout out for a retired CSM gendron of AWG. Appreciate the 30 years of service.

[Brent]

AWG has done some great work, Alex.

[Tyler]

For $40. Said. Love the podcast, men. My granddad was a marine in Vietnam, Earned a silver star and died for his men. Glad you can keep certain vets accountable and not tarnish the good ones. That's what we're here for, bro. Zulu whiskey. That sounded like a challenge. How do we set this up? My GM SIF buddy vs you and CQB loser donated to a cause of winner's choice. Videoed, of course.

[Brent]

Nice. Well, I guess we'll have to figure that out somehow.

[Tyler]

DM us.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah. DM us. It'll. It'll be fun.

[Tyler]

Tim Kennedy can have my purple heart if he just shut the hell up and admitted lied.

[Brent]

That's the only way. That's the only way he's gonna get one.

[Tyler]

Orlando, Florida Here. Keep up the good work, gentlemen. Oh, what's up? Cool, man. Come hang out with us sometime at the studio. Hit us up. DM us.

[Mike]

Great food.

[Drew]

Nerd512 it's so weird to lie about such things. Tim and Rob being part of Delta or devgru is already about as cool as it gets. Why inflate?

[Brent]

That's. That's the burning question. As always. It. It's. I mean, just. But narcissism. Fighter narcissism knows no limits. And that's what they have in common. Hey, speaking of which, before the. Before the podcast, we had amazing catered food. Tomahawk steaks. It was amazing. And the Chef Summer Dot com. The Chef Summer. It's their same on Instagram. They catered that for us and it was amazing.

[Tyler]

Oh, and another shout out to Red Cell 3D. He's the guy that made our sign. I think he's in the chat. He's a big fan of ours, so he made our humans Performance sign.

[Brent]

Yeah, the Human Performance trt.

[Drew]

All right. Papa Penguin says Tim Kennedy deserves the attention. What about. I believe that's in a negative way. Yes. What about. I don't know. Sergeant Melgar's.

[Brent]

Sergeant Melgar.

[Drew]

Okay, I guess. I think it's Fowler who is walking around free. Major General Donna and his part in the CF of a withdrawal. Is it just low hanging fruit?

[Brent]

I. I am. I do want to do an episode about Staff Sergeant Melgar. You know, I need to find someone. We. We. That's one we could do by ourselves. We tried to have people involved. If you guys don't know who Sergeant Staff Sergeant Melgar is, he is the Green Beret in Afghanistan that got choked out by a SEAL Team Six guy because as the story goes, he was going to, I guess, tell on them for using operational funds inappropriately, and they were going to play some sort of prank on him by choking them out, you know, while he was unconscious. They were going to take some. Some photos, some unflattering photos of him, kind of blackmail over it. I'm just giving you like a very general wave top thing. Well, things went wildly wrong when they choked him out and they killed him.

[Mike]

Oh, boy.

[Brent]

And then they tried to cover up and I was like, oh, no, that's. Yeah, that's. That's not what happened. It's. It's a whole. It's a whole debacle. And there were Several Seal Team 6 guys involved, and I believe there were a few Marine Raiders involved. I don't want to get the story wrong, but that is absolutely story worthy. As far as Donahue and the, the pull out of Afghanistan, I don't know that, you know, that Donna, that, that General Donahue did anything wrong necessarily, or anything more wrong than all the generals did that were a part of that debacle of a pullout. So that I don't. I don't know specifically what. What your issue is with Donahue, but please, like, you know, write us and tell us and I'll address it.

[Drew]

Tom Lennon wants. What's up, boys? You guys gonna do a Benghazi episode soon?

[Tyler]

Oh, yes. Updates on that.

[Brent]

The. The Bing.

[Tyler]

Well, I have updates.

[Brent]

The.

[Tyler]

There's some people that are unhappy with. I don't know what we're allowed to say. Somebody came on our podcast once and just said, hey, that's not how it happened. And so we go, oh, cool. That's not how we entertain the idea that maybe you don't know the Full story about Benghazi. If you've only seen the movie, then you don't know the full story. And just us saying that a lot of people that are in camps with. What's it not Goon Boone.

[Brent]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Boone, his camp are unhappy with us that we have a different story. And they've been trying to get a hold of us apparently.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Tyler]

And we were unable to receive that message.

[Brent]

I'll. I'll address it right here. They can be unhappy with us as, as they want to be. One. One of the. We'll just say some of the very high level, like Tier one operators were there. It's that, that part of the movie is true and it is not easy getting, you know, those guys to come on a podcast and talk. And there, there are, there are things behind the scenes that, that are happening at a high level that he, that this particular person who is out that was there, so he knows the story. He was there as a Tier one operator and he has a very, very, very different story than what got put out in books. And so you can be unhappy with us saying that it's, you know, that it's a, that's a different story. But the guy was there and, and he has expressed interest. He is retired now, but due to a couple, we'll just say some political things going on right now. He has to wait for some things to, to, to transpire. And, and he said when these things transpire, I will be able to come out and, and talk about it. And so I know everyone thinks it's super easy, like, oh, you know, the guy. Just get the guy, have him come on the podcast. It's just, it's just, it's just not that easy when you're talking about, you know, Tier one operators.

[Mike]

I can't imagine.

[Brent]

But it's but, but we're working it and we're working it patiently. Please be patient with us.

[Drew]

Oil field trash 12X CCT here. What's CCT?

[Brent]

Combat Control Team. Nice. They call them. They're the Air Force guys that call in airstrikes.

[Drew]

Oh, nice. Keep up the great work back working out every day to pack my 50 grenades everywhere. All right.

[Brent]

You gotta have a strong back.

[Drew]

Yeah, yeah. For 50 grenades. All right, Ryzy, Tyler, sense of humor gets me going sideways. Thanks, Tyler. Here's some money. Also, Merry Christmas to Brent, Drew, Tyler, Mike Copville, girl behind the scenes and.

[Brent]

Anyone else I can't see, girl.

[Tyler]

Also a random girl.

[Brent]

And I love you, random citizen.

[Drew]

Merry Christmas to you. Right. Easy. All right. Buddy W, former paratrooper, now Leo.

[Brent]

Oh, he's living your life.

[Drew]

That's right. Right, you guys, both of you.

[Brent]

He's living both your lives.

[Drew]

You guys ruined my childhood, exposing my heroes. But I actually thank you guys for it. Thanks for great content. Keep it on.

[Brent]

I, I tell you, we say nothing's weirder than people getting upset at you for telling you, for proving to you that people are lying to you instead of giving a thank you like, oh, thank you so much for exposing a liar. People get mad at us for telling.

[Tyler]

The truth in the messenger.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent]

It's crazy.

[Mike]

They already wrote the story in their head. Now you threw it all up, messed it up.

[Tyler]

I wonder how Fox News is going to treat this Tim Kennedy thing. That's what I want to know. I don't know.

[Brent]

Well, they, they've been, they've had them on as, as a contributor for so long. Like, they, they can't take up this story. You know, that's a big black eye on them.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Drew]

They don't have investigative reporters like they did back in the day, like, you know, 60 minutes and all that stuff back in the.

[Brent]

Isn't that how like, you know, like Jesse Waters and Tucker Carlson got their start, like, exposing like, these stories?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

We should get a hold of Jesse Waters.

[Brent]

Yeah, I don't. We should.

[Tyler]

We, it's, we sound like, we sound like our own listeners when they go, you should get a hold of him.

[Brent]

Okay, we should. You got his number.

[Drew]

But even, I mean, I don't know about Jesse Waters, but Tucker Carlson had to do his own thing. He had to break away, Right?

[Tyler]

Yeah. He got fired.

[Drew]

Yeah. Wonder why.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Drew]

Zuby, Zubi. You know, I love saying that name. Do you think the CIA paramilitary operations is legit?

[Tyler]

I think they introduced crack cocaine to the lower income.

[Brent]

I do not think they did that, but I can't prove it. I can't prove they did. You can't prove they did. But no, he says, I just hear.

[Drew]

A lot of egotistical comments and just absurd stories on the Sean ryan show. A CIA agent saying he took on 26 guys in a CQB environment.

[Brent]

Who, who did that? Well, I'm sure Zubi. Zubi will. Will, hopefully. I'm sure it won't be hard to find out that guy's name. That, that is a, that is a crazy story. Yeah. But on the surface, we just don't hear crazy stories and go, that's a lie. Because let me tell you what, like in 20 years of war between Afghanistan, Iraq, And Syria. Some crazy things happened just off that alone. I would like to know more, you know, but, you know, that's. You know, I hate, like, hearing a crazy story like, that's a lie. Like, that's a. That's. That's. That's a. That's a good story.

[Tyler]

Most likely. You can't say that until you know something.

[Drew]

26 guys good at baseball bats or something.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but 26 could be the Chihuahua sized guys.

[Brent]

But. But their paramilitary operations, which is ground branch, are. Are great dudes because they're almost all like former special operations guys that when they get done with one career, move over to another career. And. And they do great things. But. What. But I will say this because there's not a lot that gets talked about about them. They.

[Mike]

They.

[Brent]

Because they work for the CIA.

[Tyler]

Big fish stories.

[Brent]

That's right. When. Because there's not a lot known about them. People, like, hype up what they do. They. They don't do anything like super. Like super black ops. They're just. They're just another. There's another unit that does good work.

[Drew]

All right, give up the good work, fellas. And also best podcasts on tv.

[Tyler]

Thank you.

[Drew]

Absolutely. We need us some Darren Beheller. How do you say that name? Drew.

[Brent]

That's Bo. That's Bo from Texas.

[Drew]

Is that Bo from Texas?

[Brent]

Yes. And we do need some Darren Beheeler. And I gotta answer his text message. He thinks he can come down, like, January 23rd on a Thursday and do a live with us and you'll finally get to meet the myth, the meth, the myth, the legend. Bo.

[Mike]

Bo.

[Drew]

I remember Bo saying the best burgers in Texas was. Is at Brahms. And he's right.

[Brent]

He's right.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Drew]

Speaking of Texas, we got Texas actual. He probably knows all about Brahms. Hi. From Ukraine, but he's in Ukraine, so.

[Mike]

All right.

[Brent]

Stay alive.

[Drew]

Thank you for everything you guys do for the military community. And by the way, here in Ukraine, SOP for trench clearing is frag everything. No one running around with backpacks with 50 grenades. What a shame. We need TK to come teach us.

[Brent]

Reach out. Reach out to Sheepdog Response and see if they can't give you a class on how to. How to. How do you appropriately pack a backpack with 50 grenades and get to him and use them? He's the only one that's done it. You gotta reach out to him. Maybe he can save some lives.

[Tyler]

You use them all as one super grenade.

[Brent]

It's just a super grenade. All. Yeah. One pin tied to all you yank them hard enough.

[Drew]

All right. Hard stuck. I'm in finance and realize not everyone has studied corporate finance. But. But I can't stand hearing people talk about the economy. Brent, what do you hear people say about SOF that makes you cringe?

[Brent]

Oh, that's actually a good question. What do people say about soft that makes me cringe?

[Tyler]

What was Blackhawk down like?

[Brent]

Not that old. Every time I tell you people, I'm not that old.

[Tyler]

Delta Force, you just. When you hear a word, you associate it with something.

[Brent]

Here's. It's. It's. It doesn't make me cringe about, like, oh, that's cringy. It's more like it's cringy to. And I don't want to be a. A dick to people. I know they don't know the difference, but when you're like, you know, guys, like a Ranger, he's like, oh, is that like a Navy seal? Like, come on. Like, how do you not know the difference between a Ranger and Navy Seal? Like, just people. I think our. We still are a very pro military, you know, society, and I think our. Our special operations military units have done enough to earn the respect enough for you to know the difference between Rangers, Green Berets, SEALs, and Delta Force. There's not that many figure out the difference. There's a massive difference.

[Mike]

And you would think with the Internet.

[Brent]

And, like, it's so easy. Just Google it.

[Mike]

Yeah, just Google it.

[Tyler]

It's like scoring a touchdown in basketball. Get your sports right, man.

[Mike]

I mean, the Rangers are tougher.

[Brent]

I know that's not exactly like, what. What the question was, but that is. That is what's cringy. But it's not like, what's cringey to me. I'm more like, it's cringy on. On them. Yeah, but that's. That was my first answer.

[Drew]

TNK hunting gear, Former street cop and infantry Marine. All right, thank you. Just here to call out Motor T for being six hours late to pick us up after every field exercise. F. Those guys love the podcast, boys. Keep it up.

[Tyler]

Infantry Marine. Man, you probably spent, like, six months out in the field at one time.

[Brent]

Oh, man, I gotta. I gotta. There's gotta be nothing worse than being in the field, and it's time to go home. And. And. And, you know, Motor T just is like, six hours late to pick you up. Like, the least you can do is be on time to get me out of here. That's right.

[Mike]

You can't say anything.

[Brent]

That's right. Yep. Can't Complain to him.

[Drew]

Especially if it's January. James Smith. Tim, if you're watching this, the only thing these guys are guilty of is reading your book.

[Brent]

That. That was. That was a. That was a punishment that. I don't know what my crime was.

[Drew]

Cranky pirate. I thought all pirates are cranky. Is that like a. That's just a. Yeah.

[Brent]

What's a. Is there a. Is there a happy pirate?

[Drew]

Gold Cranky pirate.

[Tyler]

His name's Dan Crenshaw. He's cranky. Oh, all right.

[Brent]

All right. Cheers.

[Drew]

From Tampa.

[Brent]

Yourself up on that one.

[Tyler]

All right.

[Drew]

Just down the street, any chance of getting Mark Stevens from the Task Force Dagger foundation on. Appreciate the work you guys do. Love the show.

[Brent]

Nope. I. I don't know him. But I do know the Task Force Dagger Foundation. That was a great foundation. So I will. And he's right up the street, so.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I just happen to see it. You have a question? What's Cottonville's unit and career background? They didn't pay for it. But you're a guest, though.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

What you can. Oh, he. So he just recorded the studio session that you'll see on a Monday. That explains all that, but just for.

[Mike]

Yeah. I was United States army from 1996. 99. I just did 23 years as a sheriff's deputy, but he retired in September.

[Brent]

And you did Narcotics and swat.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You're underplaying yourself.

[Brent]

I know, I know. I get it. No one wants to talk about the.

[Mike]

Same page guys, so. Yeah.

[Tyler]

And he danced on Tik Tok.

[Brent]

I did that's down part. I wish I'd have known because that was not on my notes on the introduction when we did the podcast.

[Mike]

He knew, so I. I tipped him off. Yeah. I spent six years narcotics. I did general crimes, Detective and street crimes.

[Brent]

Just swat.

[Mike]

Oh. I mean, I don't like talking about swat. SWAT boy. That's why I make all the swap memes.

[Tyler]

Were you a goon?

[Brent]

Well, you know, you can't do proper memes unless you know enough.

[Tyler]

That's why it's so good.

[Mike]

The SWAT boy memes. And I bust a cicado. Because all SWAT guys have to have cicadas, right?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I get hate. Like, oh, this guy always be probably a fat guy behind a desk. He doesn't do anything. So I have all the experience. So, like, all those memes come from pain and suffering.

[Brent]

Right.

[Mike]

Three years of dealing with, like, almost every one of them is a scenario or something that I watched somebody go through or I went through. And you make fun of it. It's very easy.

[Brent]

Exactly. How do you think I know where to throw the darts? I did the job.

[Mike]

That's, I mean SWAT is what the easiest target it is. They're all a bunch of CQB experts and staccatos. Fancy guns, lasers, tasers, nods, all that stuff. So easy.

[Drew]

Elephant hunter Saw Nathan Coraccia's podcasts about difference between SEAL and Green Berets. Had no idea how much older the.

[Brent]

Average Green Beret is depending on when that was out. I'll say this. The age of the Green Beret started going down a little bit dur during the GWAT because of the influx of people in the 18x ray program. Like in the 90s the average, you know, age of a Green Beret was low to mid-30s and it, it definitely went down for GWAT. And I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing. Like it's a, it's a double edged sword. But you do get more you know, life, you know, you know, a longer shelf life out of some younger guys. But yeah, I think that goes along.

[Mike]

With the talked about on the recorded about making SWAT at an older age.

[Brent]

Absolutely. Yes. Yep. But, but seals generally are, are younger and so that, that even though the age of the Green Berets did go down a little bit on average seals. Seals are, are younger.

[Drew]

Ashley lives. So my son, nine, wants to join the military special operations community when he's older. Would you reckon he's planning early?

[Brent]

Yeah, sometimes you know, sometimes you know. Right.

[Drew]

He's called. Would you recommend doing the pj, SF or SEAL route is best.

[Brent]

Here's, here's my, here's my. If I could do my career over again, I would tell them to enlist and be a Ranger. Be a Ranger, your very first gig. Do that for your first contract and then go be a Green Beret and you will have, you will have an.

[Tyler]

Amazing career and picking branch of service. We also talk about this. If you don't make it through the pipeline, you know, challenges and, and very hard schools and statistically not saying you're not judging one person statistically you might not make it. You're at needs of that branch of service.

[Brent]

That's a great point.

[Tyler]

If you go to be a SEAL and you don't make it, you could go be an AC mechanic on an aircraft.

[Brent]

Absolutely. There is no other cool jobs in the Navy outside of being a seal. The same thing with a PJ which is an Air Force. If you don't make the pipeline for being a PJ which is all these pipelines are very difficult. None of them are easy. And if, and if you don't become a pj, you're gonna go be something for the Air Force. And no other job is, is.

[Tyler]

You don't get to choose really.

[Brent]

Right. You don't get. No other job is cool. If you don't get to be a Ranger or Green Beret, guess what? You still get to jump out of airplanes with the 82nd Airborne Division.

[Tyler]

You'll fall back on your LE. Your last amount of qualifications. That's where they're going to send you.

[Brent]

And you still get to be any.

[Mike]

I mean, you can still go to.

[Brent]

Ranger school and you can still go to Ranger school.

[Mike]

Recycle, go through it, have another opportunity.

[Tyler]

Absolutely.

[Brent]

That's a great point.

[Mike]

Reenlist to go to Ranger school. I mean, there's other options.

[Drew]

Texas actual comes back, says sheepdog response. Texas. Actually he's the Ukraine guy talking about the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a sheepdog response. Question mark. Don't I have to be a teen? I, I don't know enough to know the joke on that one.

[Brent]

I, I laughed because I, because it was funny for some reason.

[Tyler]

But I, I don't want to say.

[Mike]

Now you're trying to come up with something.

[Brent]

No, it was, I don't know, it was just funny. It's just funny to me.

[Drew]

All right.

[Tyler]

Shat on.

[Drew]

Shat on.

[Tyler]

What is wrong with you people? Aliases.

[Brent]

I'm here for it. This is why I love Thursday nights.

[Drew]

Bart, how many guys.

[Tyler]

They say it so nonchalant. Bart Gaba.

[Drew]

All right, Bart, how many guys at SOF do you think are on TRT or anabolic steroids? And do you think it's a good idea for them to be or not to be?

[Brent]

All right.

[Drew]

It'S complicated.

[Brent]

On deployment, half of them off deployment. I'm just going to throw like a random number at this. I think it's probably pretty accurate. Not on deployment. Maybe a quarter of them or a third. Do I think it's a. Do I think it's a good idea for our guys to be stronger, bigger, faster, in the best shape they absolutely can be? Yes, I think any. I don't think we should test for steroids at all in the military.

[Tyler]

That's how my. I like my football players. That's how I like my pro.

[Brent]

I don't think we should test for steroids in the NFL. I want to see 300 pound linebackers full of muscle knocking heads off. Yeah, I don't think we should Test for steroids and major league baseball. I want to see 500 foot home runs. I mean not a, not a, not a popular opinion.

[Mike]

And that's okay. Natural, right?

[Brent]

Right. That's right.

[Mike]

The natural.

[Brent]

Yeah part of your body just. And, and the other thing is, I don't know, we turn it to a joke to somewhat serious. But like just, just getting on testosterone like doesn't automatically make you anything more than you were. You still have to put in the work. You just get rewarded now for the work that you put in. You still have to eat clean, you still have to do the job.

[Tyler]

It gives you the tools.

[Brent]

It gives you the tools.

[Mike]

And here's what I hate the whole roid rage thing because if guy's an beforehand, he's an afterwards. I've never, I've known plenty of guys have done. I've never seen like oh my God, he's so different. It's. Other than looking better, performing better, Anybody overdosed?

[Brent]

I've, I've.

[Mike]

Any.

[Brent]

I've been on. I'll say it, I'm, I've been on. I've been on a cycle every deployment I've ever been on from my first deployment to my last deployment. And roid rage is absolutely not a thing. And I'll tell you where it becomes a thing. It's almost like this PTSD where if you tell a guy like if you go to war, you're going to come back changed. You tell a guy that enough he's going to come back and think, oh, I got, I went to war, I have ptsd. You tell a guy enough times, oh like and if he thinks he's going to have road rage like he's like right. It's a placebo effect. And the only other thing that's kind of like road rage is if you were 160 pound weenie but you were inside an the whole time, you just couldn't do anything about it. And now you're 210 pounds full of muscle. It's not. The roid rage is turning you into a dick. You've been a dick the whole time. You just, you just feel like you could do something about it.

[Mike]

Needs to be more of a dick, right? Because before you get your ass right.

[Brent]

But in the day that's, that's a you problem.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I think there's, I think. Did you guys answer the predator question?

[Brent]

No.

[Tyler]

No question for the boys. And I had to go back up for this one. Would you rather fight the predator in South America in a South American jungle or A red haired giant in the mountains of Afghanistan. You are part of a 12 man.

[Brent]

Team with Robin Tim, the redhead all day long. A red haired giant. You can Predator. He doesn't have. He's not invisible. Doesn't have space technology of a predator.

[Tyler]

Can see you and info infrared.

[Brent]

Yeah. Although we already know the answer how to kill the predator. So you got that going for you. You know, but I'm still, I'm still going Giant and Afghanistan that don't exist.

[Tyler]

They need.

[Brent]

Neither one of them exists. Right. Right.

[Tyler]

Tyler, I think you can't say it.

[Mike]

Can be a giant over there.

[Tyler]

There, there's, there is evidence saying that, that at one time there could have been. So could have went like in Bible times maybe.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

There's a Goliath.

[Tyler]

It's like, can you prove to me that. Can you prove to me without a reasonable doubt that the Megalodon shark doesn't exist?

[Brent]

I can't. I'll give you that one. I can't. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's. If there's one somewhere in the deep waters there's so much uncharted, unchartered waters. I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go against that. In fact, I'm hoping for it.

[Tyler]

I'm hoping there's a Megalodon in Afghanistan are just as dead.

[Drew]

Remember, proof doesn't work like that. You can't say prove to me something doesn't exist.

[Tyler]

Exist.

[Drew]

You have to prove something. Something does exist.

[Mike]

Right.

[Drew]

So that's like true. It's like saying, watch this. It's like saying, prove to me that watermelons are purple on the inside until you cut the skin.

[Tyler]

Wait, so you say that you have to prove that something does exist.

[Drew]

Yeah, that's.

[Tyler]

Prove to me that God exists.

[Drew]

I don't have to.

[Tyler]

Oh, so now you don't have to. No, you don't have to prove.

[Drew]

No, I don't. No, you're.

[Tyler]

I'm just saying that would be an argument.

[Drew]

You already know it.

[Tyler]

If I, if you're saying that, go on.

[Brent]

I'm here for this.

[Tyler]

You have to prove something.

[Drew]

You were just.

[Brent]

Complexity.

[Drew]

Irreducible complexity.

[Tyler]

I don't. Of course he's gonna say.

[Drew]

All right, there you go.

[Brent]

Yeah. Irreducible complexity.

[Mike]

But it sounds like you asked me a question.

[Drew]

You got an answer? Irreducible complexity.

[Brent]

I, I want to write that down so I never forget that and I will never lose an argument again. Wrong all the time.

[Mike]

I'm gonna make a meme about that. The goon was Irrelevant.

[Brent]

Complexity.

[Drew]

Complexity.

[Mike]

That's going up later.

[Drew]

All right, Bob Ninja Porras was Delta. Yes, he was at Benghazi. I've seen him on three different podcasts. Three weeks ago is the most recent.

[Tyler]

Who is it?

[Brent]

The Bob. Bob Porus. I met him at the Indiana SWAT Association. I don't know if you remember meeting him, Drew, but he was there in Indiana Swat Officers Association. I don't know. I mean, if you say he was at Benghazi, he was. I don't know at. At what. At what capacity, but I have his number.

[Drew]

Was that the guy that made the croc joke?

[Brent]

No. Oh, no, that. That was. Give me a second. And. And I'm going to tell this story because it's hilarious. Dutch. Dutch Moyer. And Dutch Moyer is coming on the show. It's always great to have another cat guy on the show, but we're at the Indiana SWAT association meeting, and he's. And he is the keynote speaker at their formal dinner. And it's the SWAT guys, their wives, their girlfriends. Hundreds of people packed house.

[Mike]

Wives and girlfriends, right? Wives and girlfriends.

[Brent]

Oh, God, I hope I get this joke right. And he says. He says, this guy was wearing. Was wearing Crocs. He goes, but, you know, Crocs is kind of like. Kind of like getting a blow job from a guy. It feels really good, but when you look down, you're ashamed.

[Drew]

And, man, that was the joke he told.

[Mike]

Joke. That's definitely a SWAT joke.

[Brent]

Half. Half the room erupted in laughter at such a dark joke, you know, being told in a public forum. The other half of the guys didn't know whether they could laugh or not. They kind of looked at their girlfriends. Half the girlfriends and wives were laughing. Half of them were like, that was rude. It was so awkward. I loved it. I loved it. He sent that joke in front of everyone, and it was hilarious.

[Tyler]

That's a good joke.

[Drew]

I bet you more than one guy threw his Crocs away, though.

[Tyler]

And I'm never sitting when I pee again.

[Drew]

Too far. All right, Tyler, Blight Designs back again. Tyler, glad you are feeling better. What is a myth or misunderstanding in the Leo community you wish you could correct? The books were for all of you guys. I threw in a few bad men in there for a few bad men and therefore a possible episode.

[Tyler]

And a coin for those of y'all that don't know. It timed out perfectly with no episodes. Brent also got the same thing I had and was down for the count. Same amount.

[Brent]

Gosh, we got sick, didn't we?

[Tyler]

I think the Only myth. I'll let you answer this one. But mine is the fact that a lot of people don't know. And I didn't know either. It is not even though law enforcement is sometimes paramilitary form like formed. It is nothing like a brotherhood in the military.

[Mike]

That stole my word. The. The. The. And I guess maybe up north with those union agencies it seems like they're tighter. But when you spread out to down here, nobody's happy for you to get promoted. They want to step on you to get to that position. Nobody's genuine. It doesn't seem generally. And I found out after 23 years there's two or three guys. There's two or three guys that will stick by you every day front to back. And the rest of them are just acquaintances. There's no. It's not a workplace of friends. Colleagues.

[Tyler]

Same thing.

[Mike]

Colleagues.

[Tyler]

Maybe worked at a bank.

[Mike]

Try leaving. Wait till you leave.

[Tyler]

Yeah. They won't know.

[Mike]

Dude.

[Tyler]

I. I say this not even just leave. What? Go ahead and get in trouble and be forced to resign or be fired for whatever reason. Whether you made a dumb choice, it was wrong that they did it. Whatever it may be. See how many people call you. It'll be in the 0.0.

[Mike]

I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

[Tyler]

You will have maybe one person that calls you weird.

[Mike]

And you're going to hear from somebody you had no idea respected you a.

[Tyler]

Lot and thought and just cared about you.

[Mike]

Yeah. And they check.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And then you're gonna be like this dude and I were right. Or not gonna hear from. I'm telling you. It's the wildest thing.

[Tyler]

Even if you just leave on your own accord.

[Mike]

It's the wildest thing.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Brent]

You know what I love? We spent enough time together. I can start answering questions for you. I knew Good. Is that. And you say it differently sometimes. But the. The biggest lie is the thin blue line.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

I've heard you say that before.

[Tyler]

It's not. It's unfortunate because you're cynical for saying it. So I just want people to know that there's. That the. I do believe it existed.

[Mike]

Probably do a little spin off of that is the accountability and lack thereof because certain people get away with whatever they want.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I guess that's kind of everywhere. But it's. It's amazing how something will blow up for one guy and then you'll see 30, 20, 30 dodging calls. Not being able. You know. And you just look at it and go. Everybody sees it but nobody does anything about it.

[Tyler]

And it's military too.

[Mike]

Yeah, but you're right, there's no that. That I've made better friends on the cop bill. Check on me.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Hey man, you know like yeah. Posted in two days. Everything. I'm like, man, that's pretty cool.

[Brent]

I'm asking like a. A drill down question on that. Do you believe the thin blue line just doesn't exist or do you believe it's a. It's a misnomer, that it's a bigger thing than it really is, that it exists, but just in a very small part or do you not believe in it at all?

[Tyler]

I believe that it used to because back when, when we started cops here in America, it went to the Irish and Italian immigrants who were discriminated against in our country. That's a whole nother topic. Yeah, but they couldn't get jobs so they had to. So then they took pride in it. They took pride in a culture in their own community. They didn't have to care what society and population thought about them. And they. All they had was each other. And that's where I think there was a blue line. But I do feel like just throughout time it's just gotten so dwindled and now it doesn't exist.

[Mike]

No.

[Brent]

Do you think the thin blue. I got more questions about this. Do you think the, the thin blue. The, the blue line matters more to. Cuz a lot of civilians that like that want to support cops and show it like this. The way they show it is. Is blue line and blue line stickers. So do you think in a weird way it's. It's transitioned from cops uniting together to support. It's more of a civilian thing now that civilian. This is how we show we support.

[Mike]

Smaller community just kind of turn into.

[Brent]

A thing more than a cop does.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I support cops. That's a, that's actually a great point. And there's nothing wrong with it. But yeah, it doesn't mean.

[Brent]

But it's changed hands you. Which is weird of sorts.

[Mike]

And it's. It's weird cuz everybody thinks cops protect each other. Like we're all getting people up and we're all.

[Brent]

Cops are looking.

[Mike]

They're looking for a reason to go. Look what he did. We got him.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we got him.

[Mike]

We got.

[Tyler]

That's my.

[Mike]

Ladies and gentlemen.

[Tyler]

They make that mean every time somebody gets jammed up. I put his name above that and it's a. It's the guy that destroyed Iraq in the early. Whatever. The guy from the Department of State.

[Mike]

Yeah, yeah, we got it. Here's a funny story. I ended my career in the Real Time crime center as a detective. And we had a little button. And every time we got an LPR hit or something and we caught the guy, we got. Whoever did the work, got to hit the button. And it was. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. It was like, everybody's working for that. What. You know, who's going to get to hit the button the day Stolen car.

[Brent]

It's little things. It always is. It always is.

[Mike]

But again, I get to hit the button. I got the car motivated. Because you're like, I'm gonna find this guy. I'm gonna get this one.

[Brent]

The amount of things a man will go through to put a patch on his uniform, to wear a ribbon, to get a medal, to push a button, like, it's crazy what someone will do to do something just a little extra.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Like it really is. It's crazy.

[Mike]

Yeah. And then, like I said, you're. You're doing all that, and you got guys within your department rooting against you.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You've got guys going, man, he got promoted, man. Maybe he can get demoted. Maybe something will happen.

[Tyler]

It's. It's way more prominent in law enforcement. But, I mean, it is like that. I from. I've heard stories about, like, Brent, tell me, you don't think that guys that are just. They operate on such a level, they still fall back to their human characteristics, which is.

[Brent]

I couldn't.

[Mike]

I couldn't believe it. As I got longer into my career, I could not believe that. That I could not believe the jealousy or. Or just like the guys that worked harder were looked at by like a minute. Like, these guys are idiots for going and doing all this stuff. And it's like. Like I said, you're gonna make mistakes. You know, it as a. A cop out on the road doing hard work, you're going to make mistakes. But there's guys sitting around who do nothing, waiting for that mistake to capitalize on it. Then they get promoted. Then they get promoted again. And then you got some new guy trying to be proactive. And this guy who's never done anything is a lieutenant now, looking at this guy like he's an idiot. And you're like, what do you mean you chased the car? What do you mean you did here? Trying to do my job.

[Brent]

People who. Who aren't in. In these type of worlds, I don't think they'll. It is probably the biggest surprise to them. Guys who want to get bad guys, they're alpha males. That's why they Want to get bad guys, you know, guys in special operations, guys in SWAT teams you can go to, to bodybuilders, to sports, whoever's an ultra competitive, you know, alpha type personality guy. You think they're a manly man and they are. I'm not saying they're not. They absolutely are. They would be absolutely floored by the amount of man drama that goes on in those. And the more competitive it gets. Some guys take it crazy with the Dr.

[Mike]

Some guys do take it too far with the alpha male stuff, but there are guys that come off that way. But they're driven by putting bad guys in jail. They're driven by and this is the right thing to do. And they look at you like you're crazy for wanting to do the right thing.

[Brent]

And let me characterize that it is not everyone. It is without a doubt, not everyone. There's plenty of guys that are, that are who, you know, who are who you think that type of guy. There's plenty of those, but there's more of the other ones than you think.

[Tyler]

Yeah, they're out, they're prominent.

[Mike]

It's absolutely nuts. And like I said as, as I moved up a little bit and I saw like these meetings I was going to in with higher ups, I'm like, how are we thinking like this? Like, how is that? Like I look at it like it. I'm a. But I want to put bad guys in jail. That's what I got hired to do. That's the bottom line. Your car gets broken into, some guy's lawn business is completely gone. Somebody does something like that person needs to go to jail. And like you're, they're doing everything but that.

[Brent]

Here, here's the thing. You say you're a, you know, a, with some self deprecating humor, but you could also say you're, you're a simple man. Right. And, and, and, and, and maybe I'm putting words in your mouth. I don't want to put anything in your mouth, by the way, Mike.

[Mike]

Yeah, but, but I did tell everybody I was going to let them know what was inside me when I.

[Brent]

But that being said, the, the, the biggest lie that's always told and it's usually told by supervisors and people in leadership is oh, it's complicated and it never is. It's not complicated. Every problem has a simple solution and you are over complicating this. The easiest answer is almost always the best answer. Just make it simple and do the obvious easy answer and things will work out. Nothing is that this isn't this isn't aerospace engineering. There's good guys, there's bad guys, there's right, there's wrong, and just do it.

[Mike]

Almost like the government with all, like they're gonna, you know, the Doge thing, cutting down the government, it's like the same thing in law enforcement. If all these specialized units and this and bad guys go to jail. Without that basic function of law enforcement.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Brent]

There's nothing else. Break the law, you can't do anything, go to jail.

[Mike]

Can't have a motor unit. You can't have all those other units you have. Somebody has to put the handcuffs on.

[Tyler]

The guy, drive them to the increase the amount. This has been shown to work. In fact, we talked about it in our Israel, Palestine episode when you were remote, we talked about it. There are studies done that show that if you just bite the bullet and you increase proactivity with tactical units, you can actually better an area and displace crime.

[Mike]

Correct. But you, and, but the problem is you have to have the administration backing you.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You're gonna say the F word here and there.

[Tyler]

You're gonna draw your gun a lot more.

[Mike]

You're gonna pull your gun out more.

[Tyler]

You're gonna, it's gonna get more hands on correctly.

[Mike]

You're gonna get use of forces. You're going to get people saying, he was mean. You know what I. I get? There's a. You should be nice to everybody. But there is a time.

[Brent]

Professional. I don't, I don't. Professional isn't nice all the time. Yeah, I know it's a little.

[Mike]

You have to be tough on people. And because your parents weren't tough on you or whoever wasn't, I have to be able to be this. And I'm not talking about hurting anybody. I'm not talking about beating anybody up. I'm talking about if, if I have to take you to jail and you're this level, I have to be above you at some point to control the situation.

[Brent]

Here's.

[Mike]

And you get in trouble for that.

[Brent]

Here's where crime and terrorism definitely cross. Cross paths and crossroads. As far as making, making an impact you. Whether it's again crime or terrorism, you have to make bad guys pay the price. Pay the price immediately and pay the price often. And when you do that enough people will stop doing those things because they know there's consequences for it. If you only kill so many terrorists over a long period of time, there's plenty of terrorists saying, oh, well, I can get away with it. If you only go after a bad. So many Bad guys. And there's not much of a punishment to it. Like well I can get, I, I can get away with this. The only way to stop that cycle is to hit them, hit them hard, hit them often and keep the pressure on. And it might get worse before it gets better, but it will get better.

[Mike]

Only difference between we have one other aspect is you kill the terrorists, they don't come back. We put the people in jail and the state attorneys and the prosecutors and judges let them out.

[Brent]

Right.

[Mike]

They got 37. What was the guy in the subway have 47 arrests.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So it's, it's a. Again, your side's a little easier once.

[Brent]

They'Re, everybody has to be. Once they're gone, everybody has to be involved in this.

[Mike]

And that administration has to happen not only in the police world, but it has to go into the prosecution world because you can again, how many, what's, what's the little famous one. He was no stranger to the justice system. When you see like a headline of some guy, right, he's got 47 arrests, 50 arrests. He's been. Nobody put him away.

[Brent]

The guy in the subway that got checked got choked out by Daniel Penny. 47, 47 arrests, some of those for were for punching and breaking the face of a 67 year old woman. And I mean there's several. And they're calling for, they're calling for violence on the streets over, over this guy getting acquitted for doing the right thing and standing up to a violent.

[Mike]

That's the woke side and that's unfortunate. But your general normal citizen under the jail, he would want that. They would want that guy under the jail.

[Brent]

Oh trust me, he should be.

[Mike]

And again, collectively that's why I don't cops it. I don't like society, I don't like people. The general public is on our side.

[Tyler]

In a quiet majority.

[Brent]

Yes, they are always believed that and.

[Mike]

They want people to go to jail. And when they see something like oh that guy's a little cussed up, so what? Like that guy's got to go to jail. So the public wants it, your good cops want it. But there has to be a collective group that the state attorney's got to want.

[Brent]

It always comes back politics. We talked about this last live. I believe that we the, the DAs and the state attorneys play such a huge role and that is, is right now like our biggest weak link.

[Mike]

Yeah, they're coming after the cops.

[Brent]

They're not coming after the bad guys, they're coming after the cops. Like that culture has. But that culture Generally is. Is through voting. And that we're voting at a local level absolutely matters.

[Mike]

And if a bad guy does it, you know, need 7,000 pieces of evidence. Not cop does something. Oh, they heard he might have done something. He's guilty. Yeah, the second you hear it, he's guilty. I don't care what they said. Who's the. I don't care the validity of the.

[Tyler]

And they go dirty in court too. They go dirty to try to get cops.

[Mike]

Oh, I've been there. It's. It gets ugly.

[Brent]

What do we do?

[Drew]

Video.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got. It's 9:30. We got the. A couple to get to definitely the drone video. And. I don't know anything else you got lined up.

[Drew]

What do we got here, boys?

[Tyler]

That one right there. Right there. Yep.

[Brent]

Oh, you started late.

[Tyler]

No, no, no, no, no. This is what happened. What a man.

[Drew]

Listen to that.

[Tyler]

It's still going.

[Brent]

Show me your hands. Show me your hands. Step out of the car here.

[Tyler]

Do not move.

[Brent]

Get out of the car.

[Tyler]

Do not move.

[Brent]

Do not move.

[Tyler]

Do not move. Show me your. Put your hands on the dashboard right now.

[Brent]

Now. It's under. It's under his ass. Get up.

[Tyler]

Do not do nothing. Do not reach for it.

[Brent]

Ain't nothing under my ass. Hands up right now. Ain't nothing under my ass.

[Mike]

Your hands up right now. Do you understand me?

[Brent]

Grab the roof right now.

[Drew]

Grab the roof right now.

[Brent]

You see a gun?

[Tyler]

Shoot me. Yeah, he's reaching for something.

[Mike]

Undo his seat belt.

[Brent]

Do not pull away.

[Drew]

Touching me.

[Brent]

Quit touching me.

[Tyler]

So there's some things that are just. I mean, I know some of the people in here couldn't hear. There was multiple commands being given by multiple people, and they were contradictory. That being said, that would confuse anybody trying to comply. That guy clearly wasn't trying to comply at all.

[Brent]

You say that and, and, and, and it's not a. It's not like an invalid point. There's a guy like, right next to me telling me to put my hands on the roof with a gun in my face. I'm. I'm just gonna listen to that guy here. Or here. Yeah. Or guess what? You could have listened to. To any of them, but he didn't.

[Mike]

You know, bottom line is the gun. Reaching for the gun is never part of the.

[Brent]

Was none of the commands. None of the command. Yeah. Oh. Will reach under your ass and prove it was never a command. And he decided to go with C. He could have gone with A or B. Right now.

[Mike]

This is a great off of what we just talked about is when do you shoot him? Because if you shoot him before he goes for the gun, even though you can see it, he's not listening. You are done.

[Tyler]

You by, by, by by most statue and and jury instructions and all that and everything. You are good because that in today's society you're done. And yeah.

[Mike]

So your life comes down to can I get my gun? Can I shoot him before he gets his gun and shoot? Because you should be able to shoot him immediately.

[Tyler]

And I will say this. It's 20 going in 2025. The best thing to do for career salvation is to disengage that person. Start call outs and let them drive away. If you don't want to be in a shooting, you don't want to kill somebody. You want to survive cop work.

[Mike]

Well that's again from coming from 23 years to now. That would have been cowardice.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Now I agree.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

There's disengage. Back off. Make it what's going to turn into a phony stop then he's gonna leave anyway. Yeah. Or he's gonna be a pursuit. Maybe pet him. But that, that's unfortunate because that those guys know what the right answer is but they can't do it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Because again you're still at a disadvantage even with your gun out.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Drew]

So that's just how guilty people act. Because I mean look, look we talk about saying there's a guy with a gun in your face telling you what to do and you would do it. I was, I was raised that if a man has a badge on his chest and he tells you to do something, guess what?

[Tyler]

You do it.

[Drew]

You do it.

[Mike]

And here's. And the other.

[Drew]

I don't need a gun in my face. Just that badge is all you need.

[Mike]

Nobody. Most of your people have never even been close to that level of stress.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Mike]

To know like you're saying that he's getting. He has given multiple commands but you have three or four guys that know this guy has a gun and the best trained are still going to have that that hard time. Like I don't want him, I don't want him to shoot me. Yeah. And it's hard. I guess maybe in SWAT we train a little bit more that one guy's hands of commands, one guy's making the announcements. You're a little bit more disciplined. But it's tough again in that situation to disengage your brain from I don't want to die.

[Tyler]

I think any cops listening to this right now that have the ability to create Training environments or if you, if you run a proactive squad and your guys probably have seen this video, but don't tell them to do it. Run that same scenario with four dudes with sims. Yes.

[Mike]

Flat range is not going to fix that. I don't care how good you shoot your staccato. Your SWAT boys is not going to fix that.

[Tyler]

It's got to be a visible gun, a non compliant person. When do you.

[Mike]

We actually did some stuff like that. We did a couple scenarios where we had a similar situation where you're walking up to talk to your buddy at the, at the 7:11 and a guy comes out with a gun partially produced. How do you handle that reaction? How do you react? And what are you going to do? Are you going to draw your gun? So shoot in that close case, in that close quarter environment. That is, that's.

[Tyler]

You're always going to win with that answer.

[Mike]

Yes. And that's what should happen. But again, you're going to prison.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You shoot that guy before that, you're toast.

[Drew]

Oh, got another one.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I think we got one or two more. Oh, what's that one right there?

[Drew]

This one?

[Tyler]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Mike]

All right.

[Drew]

Sorry about that already.

[Tyler]

All right, here's. All right.

[Brent]

Are we gonna do the drones? We go a couple super chats. Five, five minutes of super chats. We'll get in the 9:45.

[Drew]

All right. This is IP freely. I drank the Begonzi. The Begonzi? Benghazi Kool aid. I paid 600 bucks to take carbine lessons from Boone and Tanto.

[Brent]

Tonto Tanto.

[Drew]

Sorry, my bad. For a weekend. By the way. You guys need to start earlier. You're cutting into my sleep at the firehouse.

[Tyler]

I, I don't think. There's nothing wrong with shooting with those guys. In fact, I don't have any. Well, I don't have any proof that they said anything that wasn't truthful by any means. It's just the fact that we were going to even open up the discussion was upsetting some people. But I'm sure they can shoot well.

[Drew]

Absolutely sure says the Delta guy.

[Brent]

Okay. And it's not being me being like a, like a prick about like Delta or nothing, but if you look at their, their, their military backgrounds and they were security after that. You could have spent $600 learning from, learning from seals, green berets.

[Tyler]

What are they, Marines?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Ranger and Marine.

[Brent]

Yeah, there's, there's just much better. What's word I'm looking for like you Backgrounds, I suppose.

[Tyler]

But there's better res guys.

[Brent]

There's much better resumes out there to. To go learn from, from those guys that they're just a big name because.

[Tyler]

I'm all about it. If you got it and you can make money off it, do it. All right.

[Drew]

Nighthawk once again wants to hear it.

[Brent]

Marika, don't let that ever die.

[Drew]

Fitzy's Place, I will give to anything you sponsor. You guys are doing great work. Please keep up exposing these people, especially Dan Crenshaw.

[Brent]

You know what hurts? And I'll, I'll say this. When Dan Crenshaw first came on the scene and, hey, he inserted himself into this. So I'll continue. I was a, I was a fan of Dan Crenshaw. I thought he was saying some really good things that mattered. And over the past couple years, he has disappointed me a lot.

[Tyler]

I heard a lot of people are disappointed him. So, yeah, I made a. A war. A war. A Purple Heart, Navy seal. That's you would think at face value. I want him.

[Brent]

That's who I want. More veterans in our. Our Congress should be littered with veterans. I believe they'd be a better Congress than we have now. No one's happy with our Congress.

[Tyler]

They're calling them one eyed McCain.

[Mike]

Our governor.

[Brent]

The one eyed McCain.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Ron DeSantis.

[Mike]

Great. Yeah.

[Drew]

All right. Colin, Quinn, Lin, have you guys tried to get Nick Lavery on the podcast?

[Tyler]

We have not tried.

[Brent]

Do you know who Nick Lavery is?

[Tyler]

Yeah, he's a one legged green beret from Boston.

[Brent]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Tyler]

He does podcasts. I know he does. He does lots of podcasts.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Drew]

Bought my first bag of FRCC coffee. Ranger panties are next. Thought I'd throw a little extra love with a super chat. Great work, guys.

[Brent]

Thank you, brother.

[Tyler]

You got to send us pictures of you and those ranger panties. Yep.

[Drew]

Want to see them?

[Brent]

Rated G. Zuby Zoo. Don't get a medium bendable on automatically.

[Tyler]

P13.

[Brent]

Yeah, don't get a med. Don't get a medium bendable on and then send a photo.

[Drew]

And we don't want to see you sitting down in them either.

[Mike]

No leg day for me. So you don't want to see no.

[Brent]

Leg day for me.

[Drew]

Only. Only standing.

[Mike]

Mr. Krabs with the little stick legs.

[Drew]

Zubi. Zubi is back in. Have you seen what's happening to Dan Crenshaw on X? Wanting a pay raise. Well, also insider trading. Allegedly.

[Tyler]

I didn't. I saw where he's saying, you know, his point is he wants Congress to get paid more. And everybody's saying, you Represent the people.

[Brent]

Are you kidding me? They should. Congress themselves should never be able to vote themselves a pay raise.

[Mike]

60 grand.

[Brent]

I don't care what it is. In fact, I don't want them to get paid at all. They should be doing that for the service alone, not for the benefits and the lifetime benefits and any.

[Tyler]

I really don't think it could. I think that they could have careers and do Congress part time as an honor. It's a privilege to be able to serve the people. What do you have to do all day long?

[Mike]

How many days a year you talk. Think they were God.

[Brent]

It is. It is not a good look when you campaign for your own pay raise as a public servant. It's. And I don't care what profession you're in, it's never a good look.

[Tyler]

I campaign for more money.

[Mike]

Yeah, we do too.

[Drew]

Yeah, I'd love it. Just be a bunch of retired old people.

[Mike]

Our union reps just passed out.

[Brent]

Let, let, let, let the people know how little you make and let, and let the people be upset for you. That's always a better look because actually.

[Mike]

The people are against Congress's pay raise and they're always happy to see.

[Tyler]

How much does Congress make?

[Mike]

They wanted to go to like 224. I was.

[Brent]

Wait.

[Tyler]

How much does the senator make?

[Mike]

They're in the like, it's like a $60,000 race in the mid.

[Brent]

How much does a. Does a congressman make?

[Drew]

Google it.

[Mike]

No, their, their raise was going to take them up that high. I think it was like from 171 6.

[Brent]

We'll find out. Oh, we're about to find out.

[Tyler]

I bet.

[Brent]

Here it is. Here it is.

[Tyler]

I guess Crenshaw is trying to hustle and you're taking away his insider trading so he can't make money that way.

[Brent]

Average is 174, 000.

[Mike]

And that's stupid. Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah. You make way more than the average American citizen that pays your. That's a senator.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Do congressmen from the House make more than senators?

[Mike]

No. More important.

[Brent]

Get out of here.

[Mike]

They want to go to like 2. 22. 230.

[Brent]

You make plenty. You make plenty working.

[Mike]

They get to do all the tips, all the kickbacks, all the free stuff.

[Brent]

I would put out a bill.

[Drew]

They come out millionaires.

[Brent]

I would put a bill in that says you can't make more than the median income of America. That's how much where you come from.

[Mike]

Make what your people back home.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah. Oh, I got a problem with that.

[Drew]

All right. No measurements. Just figured out super Chat. Dakota Meyer, question mark, and Sean Buck Rogers. Are they legit that you know of? Love the show, guys. Keep it going.

[Tyler]

Sean Buck Rogers is the host of fng. I'm pretty sure he's a Green Beret.

[Brent]

Okay. I don't. I don't know anything about him. I've. I've heard a lot of people question the Dakota Meyer thing and ask us to look into that, which is, well.

[Tyler]

Tell them why we probably won't.

[Brent]

I'm. I'm not sure it's ever a good idea to go after a Medal of Honor and people can get mad at me like. Well, the truth is the truth. It doesn't matter who. Who has it. And, and that's. Honestly, that's. That's, That's a good argument, but it had better be locked in tight. Over the top false story for, For. For me to. For us to, to, to go to. To do that.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Drew]

All right. Dylan yates. Good evening, Mr. CAG Daddy. And sir Tyler Gerth.

[Brent]

Sir Tyler Ger.

[Drew]

Hello.

[Brent]

Have you been.

[Drew]

You.

[Tyler]

Oh, you spelled girth wrong. By the way it's spelled with a Y. Just saying.

[Brent]

Yeah, because they've been. They've been really cautious about getting our names right.

[Tyler]

Batman, Union Brent. Did you ever see. Did you ever screen the song suggesting from last super Chat? What are we playing tonight? Voodoo Child will never be a bad choice.

[Brent]

Voodoo Child is not a bad choice. You know, I'll play a voodoo child, but I'm gonna play my favorite cover song, voodoo Child, and then I gotta find it. But now I have time.

[Tyler]

What is the redhead giant is Rob O'Neill. What if. I think he was trying to say, what if the redhead giant is Rob O'Neill? Probably is girth. Sorry. With a Y. Nice. Hey, Sas. Hey, sad Sasquatch squad cast. I'm a Leo from Arizona. Today is my birthday. I was hoping you guys could give my YouTube and Instagram channel a shout out. Drumstick Theory is my handle for both. I do drum covers. Give it a listen. Yeah, brother.

[Mike]

There you go.

[Brent]

Now you got it.

[Mike]

Hit up Copville. I'll repost your story.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brent]

Check you out.

[Tyler]

Trent guy from.

[Brent]

Gosh.

[Tyler]

Trent guy from retarded Wolf Apparel. Much love from Texas. Are you worried that the US will fall behind with real world experience and great power war? Like what's going on in Ukraine? It's one thing to observe and learn. Yeah, we actually did talk about that. Is it. Is it always worth being engaged in combat as a country to keep the tip of the spear sharp?

[Brent]

People aren't going to like this answer because we don't want to be in a perpetual war. But. And I'm not looking for no reason to go to war, but they're absolutely right. There are benefits of being to war. And if you think for a second at the end of gwat that we weren't the most fiercest battle proven country in the world that nobody wants to mess with, you'd be completely wrong. There is a benefit to it, but it comes at the cost of precious American blood. Watching what's happening in Ukraine from a distance is not, it's not the same as being in combat. But we have learned so much of Russian tactics, Russian technology. Ukraine has had to got, has had to get creative and their tactics. We've learned a ton of having two first world countries be at war. Oh yeah. I mean that's so it's, it's, it's not for nothing. And, and our technology has had to stay up with what we're seeing currently happen in the battlefield. So it's absolutely a benefit to us to see that. I will say this since I don't think we should be at a large scale war very often. What I do think though, our special operations is vital to our, to our learning curve and our military and there's a lot more missions we could send our special operations on and should and we don't. And that's where, that's where we're faltering. Our politicians are more reactionary than proactive and we could even stop wars by being more proactive. And our, on our.

[Mike]

Do you think that's coming?

[Brent]

I hope so, but it's never happened in our past so I don't know why I would. I would say think any different.

[Tyler]

Can you hear in those headphones? We could run five sets of headphones.

[Drew]

I got, I got a split.

[Brent]

I bought a Splitter 4.

[Mike]

New technology man.

[Tyler]

Splitter. 20 bucks and up. We gotta, we gotta rock and roll.

[Brent]

Five minutes.

[Tyler]

I know. Okay, but we got people that donate like 50 bucks.

[Brent]

Oh yeah. Okay.

[Drew]

All right, Dev Nicks Uno Moss Mike one more time. 100 bucks.

[Mike]

All right, be funny.

[Drew]

You find out if Dev.

[Mike]

Dev Nick's GM Copville and I'll donate.

[Drew]

Let's see, we've got.

[Brent]

Bert.

[Drew]

Any thoughts on Glock performance trigger for a 19 EDC. Keep up the truth.

[Brent]

Timney. Timney triggers. Send it. Go. Next.

[Drew]

All right, cop questions here. My dad was a sheriff deputy in late 1970s to 1990s. He always talked like DA office and cops got along. Do think there is A shift in mind 100%.

[Brent]

They probably did. They probably did.

[Tyler]

They had a common goal of putting.

[Mike]

Bad guys away, and now there's a. They have like a percentage. They have to convict so many people or they get in trouble. So they'll drop most of the cases questionable or close.

[Tyler]

And they'll be George Soros.

[Drew]

Plants heard the Tonto prick was talking on the CAD guys. Who responded. He couldn't carry their jock strap Brad in Louisiana.

[Brent]

And he's right.

[Tyler]

How.

[Drew]

Arms back, Armed Rick. All right, buddy. Better late than never. Always love the content. January is going to be fun. Everyone follow the podcast and like the videos so more can see the content.

[Tyler]

We're gonna have to skip your question. Plight Design. Plight wants to know your most rewarding call in your LEO career. But maybe we can do it towards the end when we roll credits. So don't forget that.

[Brent]

Yep.

[Drew]

Standing up, peeing on Tim Kennedy book crap. I got a little on my Crocs. America.

[Tyler]

All right, we're caught up. Let's go. Let's watch the video. Last video in Instagram about the drones.

[Mike]

Look at that.

[Brent]

And I'm actually. I'm happy to see someone in uniform, actually, address this.

[Drew]

My name is First Lieutenant Letuja.

[Brent]

I am currently with the Ohio National Guard. I was formerly an enlisted and officer in the active duty side of seven years. Today's date is December 13, Friday 2024, at approximately 15:20 Eastern Time. I have some information about the current drone events that are happening across the country that I would like to share in hopes of putting some worried minds at ease. The drones belong to Santa Claus, and he is checking to make sure that all of you are on the nice list.

[Tyler]

That was fucking stupid.

[Mike]

My Tik Tok career.

[Tyler]

She's got a wedding child. I was.

[Brent]

I was in.

[Mike]

I was ready for it. I was ready for something serious.

[Brent]

I.

[Tyler]

When she started slowing down, I'm like.

[Brent]

Oh, this is gonna be something stupid.

[Drew]

She did good, man.

[Tyler]

She was.

[Drew]

She looked like a weirdo at first, man. All right.

[Tyler]

Oh, God. Got a Patreon. What are we doing?

[Brent]

Let's. Let's talk about the drones for just a second.

[Tyler]

All right, Do Patreon real quick then.

[Brent]

Do it.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we are.

[Brent]

Do it. Do it. Hello.

[Tyler]

Hi, Vanessa.

[Brent]

Hi.

[Tyler]

Hi. We have seven minutes to do Patreon and talk about the drones.

[Brent]

Okay, well, so the Patreon winner this week is. Is Jordan Williams. And also wanted to tell you guys that I'm testing next week for my local pd.

[Tyler]

Your show has motivated me to pursue this career.

[Brent]

Thanks, gents.

[Tyler]

Nice. I thought you were.

[Brent]

I know.

[Tyler]

Vanessa. Vanessa's gonna be.

[Brent]

You're a little small to be a cop. You're gonna get manhandled.

[Tyler]

Giveaway like what I. Yeah, this is a Patreon giveaway. Now we'll, we'll do yours. Yeah, later. All right. Thanks, Vanessa.

[Brent]

You're welcome.

[Tyler]

Bye.

[Brent]

I thought the same thing you did.

[Tyler]

All right, so.

[Mike]

Announcement live on the.

[Tyler]

All right, so the best theory I've heard so far and I haven't researched it in a couple days, probably about two days. I haven't really looked into it. One, somebody was saying that these are actually drones that are not trying to cause. There are drones, our government drones that are trying to find hints of nuclear detection that because something has slipped through the ports and entered our soil.

[Brent]

There's, there is the, so there is the, the conspiracy that we lost some, some radiological contaminants and a. And New Jersey did. And, and that that conspiracy theory grew legs and I had to look into that. What it was was radiological material that was from medical grade, like X ray. What is it? Medical equipment? Yeah, just from medical equipment. And it's not, it's not, it's not weapons grade type. It's, it's useless. And they already found it and so they lost it and they already, and they already found it. So there was a conspiracy that these drones were looking for. For. For this.

[Mike]

That would be an easy answer from the government to get it.

[Brent]

That's right. That'd be an easy answer. Which, which would, which would sound silly to just be honest, but they're not always honest about everything but that. But they've already found it. That's not it. I here's. I saw a heat map about all the drone sightings in Jersey and it's, and it's off. It's off the charts. Here's some of the problems that, that I have with this. Once you start telling people to start looking for drones, it's kind of like the red car effect. You ever heard of the red car effect?

[Mike]

You're looking for a red card stolen and every car is red.

[Brent]

There are millions of civilian owned drones in this country and you start telling people to look for drones, you're going to find them like there's so many drones. The problem is you have to prove to me like that they have, like that these are ill intentioned drones and just because they went to an airport or maybe went over to military base, I'm just going to devil's advocate this for a second. Tell someone where they can't fly a drone. And guess what nerdy Joe, who has adult money now, who has a badass drone, wants to do. He wants to fly it over a military base and see what's there. There are people all over this country that get, that get found flying a drone too close to an airport now, too close to an airport can be miles away. There's. And so there's no like real indication that these drones are like any, any way connect to any sort of terrorist activity.

[Mike]

And then you get the fact people want to be involved in a story.

[Brent]

And then you have the Iranian drone mothership thing. That's, that's a thing right now. So they'd have to be off of international waters. International waters is traditionally 12 miles away. But it's really, then there's a three mile buffer space that you can kind of get caught into it. So let's really call it, it 15 miles away. If you're going to launch a drone from a mothership 15 miles off the.

[Tyler]

Coast wouldn't have enough battery.

[Brent]

It wouldn't have enough battery and legs to make it do anything worthwhile and make it back to the mothership. And if you think for a second the United States is going to just let an Iranian ship launch drones 15 miles, I'm just making this thing up. But just launch drones 15 miles, you know, off of our coast and do nothing about it, you're just sorely mistaken. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a 180 on you here in a second. Which means, so part of me is like this is, unless you can, like there's, I can give you all sorts of logical reasons why there's drones in the air. Like, welcome to 2025.

[Tyler]

But wasn't it wasn't a, a surplus of drones at one time in specific areas?

[Brent]

The heat map, I just saw a heat map. And so it just had dots all over the place.

[Tyler]

No, but the, the original video footage that started coming out where it's like lots of drones in one place, but they were big, they were military grade style drones. And then the government said it's not us, but it's not foreign.

[Brent]

Which is, which is a weird, which is a weird answer. And I, and which means it's civilian. So my, my 180 to that is though, anytime, anytime you have drones that fly over a military base or a, a controlled area, you better think about it in the light of hey, like why is something here and, and start, you know, thinking worst case scenario. Because that's your job, you know, as the government, to make sure that something didn't cross over a place that it shouldn't be and then have an attack or something happen a few weeks later and be like, oh, I just, you know, there weren't any indicators when there were.

[Mike]

So.

[Brent]

I don't mind people questioning this, but I just. I don't. This seems to have, like, grown legs without any real reason is. Is what I'm saying.

[Tyler]

There's. God always, always got to be a hot topic to talk about.

[Brent]

Yeah, I'm. I'm not saying it's not weird other than my, like, my best, you know, explanation of it is tell people start looking in the air for drones and you're. And you're gonna. And you're gonna find.

[Mike]

I do think about that.

[Tyler]

I do like the. I liked it. It was entertaining and it made sense. First off, I learned this in college, by the way. Homeland Security. The amount of nerd ports that aren't checked, that aren't. It's like 92% of all shipment crates that come in aren't checked. They can only check so many, and we get so many.

[Brent]

Do they not get even X rayed only?

[Tyler]

They probably do. And that's why they would. That's where they would essentially find some kind of nuclear bomb. But it could still slip through. And that's why they're saying, hey, something slipped through and these are our drones trying to find it. And that's. The New Jersey area is. You know, so what.

[Brent]

What would. There's a camera on every street light, a camera in every corner. Like, what. What would a drone give you that? As you guys know, with all the plate readers and everything.

[Tyler]

I think they had.

[Brent]

There's so many toll roads in Jersey.

[Tyler]

I think it had the ability to. They have the. This is what I was. This is the argument.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

They have the ability to detect nuclear stuff, the drones, which. But I don't understand how.

[Brent]

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But if it's in, like, a Conex container, can it. Can it detect it through a Conex container?

[Tyler]

I would hope so.

[Brent]

I don't know enough about that one also.

[Tyler]

But then again, drones only have 20 minutes of battery life, so it's gonna be a strong 20 minutes of searching before it.

[Mike]

Plus all that technology that would be on board.

[Brent]

Here's my function is even.

[Drew]

Here's my take, boys. I don't think it's any accident that this is post Black Friday. So.

[Tyler]

By drones half off.

[Drew]

Yeah, this is. This is post Black Friday, there's a whole bunch of people in Jersey and they're flying their new toys in December.

[Brent]

Right. I guess my other question is. It's just an honest question, so I'm not saying so. Let's just say it's, it's an anomaly and it is something to be concerned about. There's way more drones in the air than there should be. What's, what's it, what's an unarmed drone going to do? Like, what's, what are you scared of?

[Tyler]

Well, I mean we're not allowed, law enforcement's not allowed to utilize drones for anything other than finding missing people even.

[Mike]

Like, what if it's to test the waters? How much can they get away with before the government jumps in or somebody does anything?

[Brent]

So that I'm, I almost forgot to make that point.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Brent]

The only other point that while thinking about, I was thinking about this on the right here was if I wanted to do something later at a different place, let's say dc. DC is, you know, is very close to the coast. I would test the water somewhere up in the New Jersey area, see what the reaction time is, see what they can get away with and not, and not give away my true intentions of something much more juicy like, like dc. And now that we've provided really no response and no capability of removing those drones, I'd be like, okay, I now I'm going to take this and, and execute my plan six months from now.

[Mike]

And think about here numbers. You start out with 5, 10, and then show up with 3, 400.

[Tyler]

You get, you get 3 or 400 drones. Now you're going real problem going 40 miles an hour.

[Brent]

So they call that a swarm. Yeah, a drone swarm, which is a thing.

[Tyler]

Can you, can you, can you successfully eliminate all those drones before it drops one bomb?

[Brent]

You cannot. Nope, you cannot.

[Tyler]

A drone swarm.

[Brent]

That's a drone swallow. Drone swarm is actually absolutely a thing sounds dangerous. That companies are, are trying desperately to.

[Mike]

Streak on Call of Duty.

[Brent]

Yeah. So of all the things I think like a realistic, you know, and trying to be a little bit more, you know, like just not like trying to be overly logical and everything's fine. That would be my biggest concern is that's a, like a, a false insertion if you will, to test capabilities and then 600 drones with a small amount.

[Mike]

Of explosive on it, them all at one time obviously going to do much more damage than one or two. And if you keep pushing the envelope and drawing, putting the line.

[Tyler]

But again, word, they would have to be domesticated. They couldn't they, drones don't have that.

[Brent]

They don't have the legs. They don't have the legs. And that is, and even a larger drone, not so like a mavic like from DJI has like a 30 to 45 minute flight time total, which means you can only be 20 minutes away if you, if, if you want it back.

[Tyler]

So even kamikaze drones, they don't even need to come back.

[Brent]

They don't need to come back. That's right, Ukraine. But you know, they only, they only go like 20 miles an hour. So you know, so you're not, you can't be that far off, you know, to, to, to deploy them. But even a larger drone still has, you know, an hour to, to two hours if, if you're doing reconnaissance with them. That is not a long term theory.

[Mike]

Of the red carpet thing. Like now everybody's looking. So everybody sees it. Just like you know when we're looking for a suspect. And everybody saw that. Oh. By there.

[Brent]

Oh.

[Tyler]

Who was it that killed Sergeant Clayton? I remember her name from opd. I don't remember his because he's a piece of the guy that executed the OPD sergeant. Cold blood in the wall.

[Mike]

Walmart. I don't remember his name.

[Brent]

Oh man, it's 1003.

[Tyler]

But yeah, when that, when that BOLO went out, everyone in central Florida saw him.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Every minute of every day.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So it's time, guys. Thank you for joining us on our Thursday Night Live. Brent's gonna play some music, get it demonetized, and we're gonna answer some questions. Well, not me, Mike and Brent. I gotta start doing the post production side of all this. But don't forget the question that plight and then go from there and then kind of just.

[Drew]

And Mike, once again, tell us about your, your memes.

[Mike]

Copville is this page merchandise and stuff is www.copvilleog.com.

[Brent]

He'S got more followers than us.

[Mike]

Why is he plugging watch bigger than we are tonight? If you use the code ANTI25 when you check out for the next 24 hours, you can get 25 off everything.

[Tyler]

That's 10 more than what we.

[Mike]

Perfect.

[Brent]

All right, here we go. I couldn't find the COVID song, so I'll just send the original one by Jimi Hendrix. Now we're taking requests. Oh, no.

[Tyler]

Everybody thinks about Blackhawk down with this song.

[Mike]

I think about the NWO for lifestyle. That's in the NWO maybe.

[Brent]

Got it.

[Tyler]

There you go.

[Brent]

There we go. Thank you.